The John-Henry Westen Show - The Man Who Claims Evidence of Papal Infiltration

00:00:00.000 And he said, the one who is to come will not be Jesus, but will have the same traits as

00:00:06.020 the Jesus who has already come and lived amongst us.

00:00:09.520 I mean, this is blasphemy. 0.63

00:00:11.600 Was he referring to Antichrist?

00:00:13.420 You call it what you want.

00:00:16.420 Well, my friends, you know, there are often times when we've seen conspiracy theories.

00:00:23.160 Conspiracy theories are, it's a funny thing.

00:00:25.240 We used to regard them always as something that just crazy people think about.

00:00:28.640 And then a lot of things happened in the recent past, which made us change our minds.

00:00:34.540 We were told that there was a conspiracy with regard to the Wuhan lab.

00:00:41.020 The lab leak was a baseless conspiracy from the start, we were told.

00:00:46.020 Now, a few years later, we know, well, no, that's not the case.

00:00:52.460 But there were examples from the past where there was conspiracies, which turned out to be false.

00:00:58.020 remember well that in 1912 there was a man who showed us that evolution was real he showed us

00:01:08.620 that this ancient belief in a god who made everything was totally nonsense because we found

00:01:15.420 the missing link it was in 1912 that we found the missing link a skull and it was you know

00:01:25.260 found to be the missing link from our ancestors of apes. Except the problem was that it was found

00:01:33.180 to be completely false. Here's how. In 1912, it was done. The missing link was discovered. And yet

00:01:39.540 it was a skull combining a human-like cranium with an ape-like jaw found in a gravel pit in Sussex,

00:01:46.500 England. And in 1953, that's 41 years later, it was exposed as complete fake. It was a composite.

00:01:56.080 It was a relatively modern human skull, stained to look ancient, paired with an orangutan jaw,

00:02:02.680 whose teeth had been filed down. The pieces had been chemically treated and weighted with gravel

00:02:07.880 to mimic fossils and fluorine dating later DNA confirmed the fraud. And it pointed to an amateur

00:02:16.900 archaeologist, Charles Dawson, as the likely perpetrator, but he died in 1916. So it was

00:02:24.660 decades and decades before this hoax was uncovered. So, you know, there's this thing

00:02:30.500 with conspiracy theories, sometimes they're conspiracy fact, but we get to this point where

00:02:37.400 you don't know exactly. And one thing we've learned is to pay attention, to look at things,

00:02:44.780 especially when they're long-standing and won't die, because there might be something there.

00:02:52.080 Now, in our recent stuff in the Catholic Church, it's been a wild ride. What we've seen with regard

00:03:00.680 to Francis and Leo, the possibility of them being anti-popes or falsely elected has created

00:03:10.340 such a stir.

00:03:11.660 The very fact that we hosted a debate on that has made some people go absolutely apoplectic.

00:03:18.260 But there's an interesting thing that Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano said now a number of months

00:03:23.700 ago.

00:03:24.420 He talked about the need for Catholics who actually still believe the faith to put aside

00:03:30.520 their differences for a time so that we can actually address together the crisis in the

00:03:36.260 church. Because there's so many disparate ideas among those who actually see the crisis.

00:03:43.260 You have people who see the crisis who are a Novus Ordo charismatic Catholic. They see the

00:03:51.500 crisis sometimes more than traditional Catholics. And yet on the other end, there's set of

00:03:55.500 accountants, hardcore set of accountants or whatever they call them. But all along that group

00:04:00.900 are people who actually recognize there's a massive crisis in the church. So I wanted to

00:04:06.380 delve in and look at some of these folks that actually believe the faith and what evidence

00:04:13.380 they hold for believing the things they do. One of the people who's been doing this for many,

00:04:20.860 many years, is actually someone who you'd never expect to be doing this. He is a portrait artist.

00:04:29.480 He is someone who really was, his profession was art. He's a father of eight children. Listen to

00:04:37.380 some of this background. It's kind of stunning. He was a non-commissioned officer and military

00:04:42.420 illustrator for the US Air Force Reserve, a concept artist for presentations of future

00:04:47.420 spacecraft and equipment for NASA, model maker, plant designer for petrochemical engineering

00:04:53.260 and construction industry from 1968 to 1990. He's a publisher and nationwide distributor of

00:05:01.140 lithographic reproductions of his own original work, pencil portraits of three U.S. presidents

00:05:07.480 and a designer and general contractor for family homes. It's kind of crazy that this guy

00:05:14.480 uh with all this background in art would be researching one of the most controversial

00:05:21.080 topics ever and that is about what it was with regard to the election of the first pope that

00:05:29.460 many of those who are labeled as set of accountists say is the first anti-pope and that would be john

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00:08:13.660 Gary Giffray, welcome to the program.

00:08:15.740 It's an honor to be with you, John Henry.

00:08:18.120 Let's begin, as I always do, with the sign of the cross.

00:08:20.920 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.

00:08:26.080 Seeing your background and your sort of depth into this, what many people would consider a wild conspiracy theory, why would you go there? Why would you do that? You've got a great career. You've got a huge family. Now, what are you with grandchildren right now? How many? 23 grandchildren?

00:08:45.040 Something like that. I've lost count. Well, was it anything that happened recently, John Henry? I've actually been very concerned about what the direction the church's worship has been going for the last so many years.

00:09:01.220 And because I was raised to serve at the traditional Latin Mass, and our assistant pastor told us that not a syllable of the Mass could be changed, attenuated, removed, replaced.

00:09:15.520 And then one fine day on the 2nd of January 1961, as my fellow acolytes and I were suiting up with the cassock and surplus, our pastor came into the altar boy's sacristy.

00:09:31.900 And he said, I just want to let you know that we're not going to be saying the confiter, miserator, or the indulgentium for communion today.

00:09:40.640 I said, oh, Father, you mean just today?

00:09:43.680 he said oh no from now on why i said well how can that be he said well somebody figured out

00:09:50.680 that those prayers were needless repetition and uh and i said but uh father that mass has been

00:09:58.940 that way for centuries and he said i just do what they tell me and that was his his typical

00:10:05.860 way of just basically exonerating himself from his priestly duties. I'm sure he was

00:10:15.540 ordained long enough ago to have taken the oath against modernism. But one thing he did not know,

00:10:23.100 it was something that I knew. Three years before that encounter, I had the opportunity to listen

00:10:28.640 to a series of speeches on old reel-to-reel tape recorders,

00:10:33.920 people like William Strube and Frederick Schwartz

00:10:38.640 with the Christian anti-communist crusade,

00:10:40.580 and by the way, they were not even Catholic,

00:10:42.860 and also Myron C. Fagan with the Cinema Educational Guild.

00:10:47.180 Okay, and they were talking about infiltration

00:10:50.980 of the Christian churches in general,

00:10:54.940 but the Catholic Church in particular.

00:10:57.600 And with the idea of sending in enemy agents, at that time we called them communist agents,

00:11:03.500 but you could also switch out that name with the Masonic agents.

00:11:07.700 In any case, they said at the time that a priest would never become a communist,

00:11:12.460 but a communist agent would go through the rigors of priestly formation

00:11:18.060 and go through the motions of priestly ordination in order to carry out his mission

00:11:24.360 to undermine the church from within.

00:11:28.440 So when my pastor told me that this was happening,

00:11:34.220 you know, against all of the long history of the church,

00:11:38.800 I knew that this was not coming from the true church.

00:11:43.940 It had to have been from these infiltrators

00:11:46.000 because this was going on since the 30s.

00:11:48.980 I mean, Father John O'Connor, for instance,

00:11:51.240 was giving speeches about how they were infiltrating the church back in the 30s 0.98

00:11:55.540 and basically sending in practicing homosexuals, sodomites. 0.91

00:12:02.940 The idea was at that time, and I learned this from Vonda Kozlowski in Regina, Saskatchewan. 0.97

00:12:11.140 She was the founders of the Canadian Natural Law Society,

00:12:15.520 and she said that the idea was to sodomize in order to communize.

00:12:19.560 And once they bought into that kind of moral degradation, then they'd buy into anything.

00:12:27.600 I remember even having lunch with Bishop Rene Grissita down in Sinton, where he lived during his retirement after he was bishop of Corp. Christi. 0.58

00:12:40.420 He said that there were books they were publishing back then advocating that members of these monastic communities go and stay with each other in their rooms and snuggle in bed.

00:12:52.620 It's this kind of nonsense. 0.53

00:12:55.080 And, of course, he didn't know where this was coming from, but there was this massive effort to infiltrate the church from within.

00:13:00.900 And so as things went from bad to worse, I just I was I graduated from our parish school.

00:13:11.580 I went on to the Jesuit college preparatory and I was so turned off by the the whole atmosphere in that place.

00:13:21.760 I dropped out the first day. I begged my parents to send me to public school, which they did.

00:13:26.040 That story is not unfamiliar to us. I mean, most people have heard of Bella Dawn, because famously she came into the church under Fulton J. Sheen, and I think that's a very public testimony that's in most people's minds about infiltration, exactly as you said, into the church specifically in order to corrupt.

00:13:47.200 Pope Pius XI and his Divinity Redemptress, his encyclical on communism, he said at the time that they were infiltrating the Catholic Church's institutions.

00:14:04.780 And Bella Dodd, of course, went into great detail about that in her testimonies to Congress.

00:14:10.820 Now, you know, I was having a discussion with my bishop who had confirmed me in 1960.

00:14:17.200 I think our conversation was in 1973.

00:14:21.340 And I was asking him about this infiltration.

00:14:25.000 And he said, oh, he says, this was, well, maybe I won't give his name, but he says,

00:14:32.560 he said, we got this letter from the Vatican looking for communists under the bed.

00:14:38.280 I said, you mean Divinity Redemptress, 1937, Pope Pius XI?

00:14:45.820 Yes, that's right.

00:14:47.440 I said, oh, but Your Excellency, by that time, the communists were in the bed.

00:14:52.240 Oh, he did not like that comment at all.

00:14:55.040 So he does work.

00:14:55.660 We were up against our bishop, our clergy, few exceptions,

00:15:00.100 were completely clueless to what was going on.

00:15:02.520 And so by the time I was in my last semester at University of Houston at the College of Fine Arts, where I was learning to become an illustrator, I happened to go to a political conference in Dallas where I renewed acquaintances with Father Francis Fenton, who my dad and I had met in 1964 in Houston.

00:15:26.620 And he was in Dallas, and it was announced he was going to offer a mass in the hotel after the conference.

00:15:33.080 So I went to it.

00:15:34.180 Well, lo and behold, it was a traditional Latin mass, which I had not seen in 10 years.

00:15:40.220 And so, actually, you know what?

00:15:42.940 It was more than 10 years.

00:15:43.980 It was in 1972, September 23, 1972.

00:15:48.740 Father said that there are a number of theological questions about the new Mass, and that until those issues could be resolved, he and many other priests of his vintage were going to revert back to the Mass of their ordination.

00:16:07.160 And so that seemed to be a totally reasonable position, and I had great respect for Father Fenton due to all the many articles he had written about the corruption of our country.

00:16:18.740 going way way back i got a bunch of information from him and there were some catholics there

00:16:24.340 that were from houston and we had a little discussion and we decided we would meet

00:16:30.480 in houston and try to see what could be done to bring back the traditional mass

00:16:34.520 that was in september 1972 by 73 um we read a advertisement in the houston chronicle in the

00:16:44.860 Houston Post that we were going to schedule a mass at the Whitehall Hotel in downtown Houston,

00:16:51.080 a priest who was an associate of Father Fenton, a collaborator, Father Daniel Jones, came and he

00:16:58.520 offered that first mass for us, public mass. And of course, the diocese was feeling mad. They were

00:17:05.700 very upset about this. We tried to find some church where they would let us have at least

00:17:10.680 one latin mass on a sunday nothing doing nothing doing so um we brought father uh jones there and

00:17:18.900 then from him we met father joseph gedra and father joseph gedra had the um he had an organization of

00:17:28.140 about 240 retired pastors it was called the priest committee for the preservation of the

00:17:34.400 Tridentine Latin Mass. I was in contact with Father, and I agreed to host their third national

00:17:41.480 convention of their clergy in Houston at the Marriott Hotel, and NBC News came out and covered

00:17:48.180 it, as did Newsweek magazine. There were kind of prayers that came from all over the place,

00:17:54.520 and there was a woman, a very well-informed woman that I met who came there from Spain,

00:18:00.940 And she was the one who told me that it was Cardinal Seary who should have been elected, but his election was interfered with by a group of liberal cardinals.

00:18:13.160 That was all she knew.

00:18:15.280 And I had already been flew at the end of Cardinal Seary by my grandmother in 1957.

00:18:22.500 she and i think i've sent you a copy of this she said she gave me on the 27th of march

00:18:30.540 1957 she gave me a copy of the sunday pullout section from the houston post

00:18:36.660 the american weekly magazine and there was an article in there called the next pope by

00:18:42.900 a jim bishop who was the author of the famous book of the day christ died

00:18:47.380 And he profiled Cardinal Siri and also Cardinal Spellman and also Cardinal Ruffini and basically gave every indication that Siri was the most likely cardinal to succeed Pope Pius XII should the Pope die.

00:19:06.280 And, of course, he did die a year later.

00:19:09.020 And, by the way, I've saved that magazine 69 years.

00:19:13.280 That was the beginning of my awareness about him.

00:19:17.380 And then in 74, that's when I found out at the convention that he should have been elected. And then in 87, when Louis Hubert Remy's blockbuster article showed up in my mailbox, the Pope, could he be Cardinal Siri? I found out on the 17th of December, 1987, that he actually was elected and then shoved aside.

00:19:41.280 That's a tough one because we can't know exactly what happens behind the closed door of the conclave. So that's going to be one of those points of contention to suggest it. But where are you getting this from? What do you think is for you the most solid piece of evidence that suggests that Syria was indeed elected?

00:19:59.720 In July 1993, I went to London, England, and I interviewed Fr. Jean-Marie Charouk, who was a veteran Vatican diplomat, and he's been interviewed by Inside the Vatican and other publications, a lot of secular newspapers, mostly in England, that have written articles about him.

00:20:23.740 Actually, he was offering the Latin Mass at St. Ethel Rita's Church in Ely Place near downtown London when I first caught up with him.

00:20:32.960 And we had a meeting afterwards.

00:20:37.400 He did not claim to have been inside the conclave.

00:20:44.040 Now, I don't know if he actually was or not, but he told me what happened with incredible detail, making me think maybe he was there.

00:20:52.340 I don't know, but I do know the absolute conviction in his voice when he told me what happened.

00:20:59.760 And he said, yes, Siri was elected on the fourth ballot, the 58th Conclave, and he accepted office.

00:21:12.280 He had to accept office, otherwise there would have been no white smoke, you see.

00:21:15.920 and it wasn't a little puff it belonged for five full minutes without interruption let me just

00:21:23.380 bring this in because it's a neat thing that you say there i've never heard of this before

00:21:29.040 but i have uh heard of malica martin malica martin is uh the former jesuit priest who um

00:21:37.260 booked recently came out about him about how he was actually made a cardinal in pictoria and

00:21:42.900 whatever, whatever. But in Keys of His Blood, his book, he actually relates something that sounds a

00:21:50.300 lot like what you just said. Watch this. This comes directly from Keys of His Blood. It is equally

00:21:55.300 certain that within the 1963 conclave voting, Siri had garnered the required number of votes to make

00:22:03.720 him Pope-elect. But the law of a conclave is ironed for any conclave election to end with a validly

00:22:09.860 elected pope the post must freely accept his election it is certain that pope elect cardinal

00:22:15.680 siri responded non excepto that's interesting because it also points to in siri as papabile

00:22:23.980 if you will even for 1958 when he was the election before he talks about a threat but we'll get to

00:22:30.780 that in a bit but i want to hear you out on this white smoke so you're saying there was white smoke

00:22:37.120 rather than the black smoke.

00:22:39.040 Yes, and I will continue with that,

00:22:41.420 but I also need to follow up with Malachi Martin

00:22:43.500 because I knew him personally.

00:22:45.760 So, Father Charu told me that

00:22:50.840 as soon as the acceptance was pronounced by Siri,

00:22:58.200 well, then the conclave ministers began to gather up the ballots

00:23:03.000 and they started burning them with dry straw.

00:23:05.620 and that was sending up white smoke and this went on for several minutes five minutes okay

00:23:14.000 now as far as everybody knew we had a new pope both inside and outside because the people

00:23:21.020 were or were cheering you know they saw the white smoke said bianca bianca

00:23:26.360 Vive el Papa. And even conclave ministers were seen waving handkerchiefs from the

00:23:34.600 windows of the apostolic palace. And these are the guys outside the conclave, but up there and

00:23:41.380 basically doing official business, but right outside the locked doors.

00:23:46.180 They are the assistants that were allowed to come in with the cardinals. Each could bring

00:23:51.700 two assistants. Whether or not they're actually locked out, that's kind of a gray area. But

00:23:56.300 In any case, they gave every indication of knowing that the conclave was finished, was

00:24:01.260 over.

00:24:02.300 And this was in the Associated Press, you know, it was on the front page of the Houston

00:24:05.360 Post.

00:24:06.000 Let's look at some of those because this is interesting.

00:24:08.020 In fact, there were reports of this in the media all over the place.

00:24:15.320 Here's one reference that we'll just throw up on the screen here.

00:24:19.740 Let's go to Newport Daily News.

00:24:21.600 Dated October 27, 1958, cardinals cast eight ballots without choosing a pope.

00:24:27.760 And it's an AP story.

00:24:30.320 And what's interesting about it comes really near the end.

00:24:34.000 It says a throng of nearly 200,000 in the square awaited the second signal at nightfall.

00:24:41.560 This time, white smoke rolled out from the chimney for fully five minutes.

00:24:46.420 A pope is elected, declared Vatican Radio.

00:24:50.380 news agencies sent the word around the world the crowd cheered and waved handkerchiefs

00:24:57.080 even vatican officials were fooled so those are the i guess the officials you were talking about

00:25:04.080 then it says the pallet palatine guard was called from its barracks to proceed to saint

00:25:11.440 peter's basilica for the formal announcement of the new pontiff's name then uncertainty set in

00:25:18.720 the guards were sent back to their barracks within 20 minutes uh when 20 minutes had passed

00:25:25.040 without a new pope appearing on the balcony the doubt spread rapidly finally the crowd began to

00:25:31.920 disperse there was confusion in the palace until assurances finally were received from within

00:25:37.520 the conclave that black smoke was intended there was no official explanation of the mix-up another

00:25:45.960 report very similar this one from the daily gleaner it's entitled new pope false signals

00:25:54.320 radio tells of election bells sounded in error talks about how the announcement came that after

00:26:01.600 two morning ballots when the initial signal was white vatican radio announced uh announcer

00:26:08.420 declared it's white it's white it is the most extraordinary thing the new pontiff has been

00:26:14.580 elected on the first ballot i mean your accounts check out uh from newspapers around the world

00:26:21.080 um so there's this huge anomaly they say uh with regard to white smoke uh which even in our

00:26:29.020 lifetimes we're used to um seeing the white and black smoke from the chimney of the sistine chapel

00:26:34.880 so that's certainly interesting so your story checks out so far at some point and this is

00:26:42.200 probably after the cardinals are starting to line up

00:26:45.740 to pay their first obeyances to the new pope,

00:26:49.980 a threat was brought to bear.

00:26:52.280 Now, there are different theories about how that got into the conclave.

00:26:56.700 I've heard a story that it was put on a turnstile from the conclave kitchen

00:27:01.740 where plates of food are normally passed in to the cardinals.

00:27:06.440 In this case, they said that a note was put there

00:27:09.880 and was addressed to Cardinal Seri and was handed down until it was placed in his hands.

00:27:19.480 There's another possibility, as raised by author Lawrence Erickson in his book Vatican Coup,

00:27:28.100 that the threat was actually brought into the conclave by Cardinal Spellman.

00:27:32.460 And there's a very good chance that that could have been because he had been a lifelong messenger for the U.S. State Department going back to World War II when he was sent by Roosevelt to General Franco of Spain, basically telling him not to align with Germany.

00:27:53.720 Otherwise, Spain could become a target of U.S. bombers, and he was sent by the Eisenhower administration down to Guatemala to write a letter to all of the clergy and bishops down there, which ended up resulting in things being read from the pulpits of every church down there trying to associate the president, Jacobo Arbenz, with communism, and he was no communist at all.

00:28:22.260 He was simply trying to provide until land to to homeless farmers.

00:28:29.600 And by doing that, he he created a great increase in prosperity and increased, I should say, improvement in the standard of living for average Guatemalans.

00:28:40.620 It just so happens that this was land that had been seized by United Fruit Company through a sweet ordeal with the previous corrupt leadership of Guatemala, and they got it for pennies on the peso.

00:28:57.360 And so the U.S. government did not like that being taken away from United Fruit Company because John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, and Alan Dulles, CIA director, were heavy investors in United Fruit Company.

00:29:12.860 So anyway, Spellman was used to bring about that coup d'etat.

00:29:17.440 It is alleged by this fellow Erickson in the Vatican coup, just came out this year, that Spellman was the, I guess, the messenger that brought about the overthrow of Syria.

00:29:29.800 And he's put in his appendix in the book, the article by Louis Remy that came out in 86, the Pope, could he be Cardinal Syria?

00:29:40.740 But back to the story, Father Chauru told me that after the Pope was in the process of being overthrown, and by the way, once a Pope, once he accepts, well, that's the end of the conclave.

00:29:58.500 Okay, so what this was was an attempted coup against an already elected Pope, but whose identity was not yet known to the outside world.

00:30:07.880 Father Charu said that these liberal cardinals came in and ordered the ministers to change the solution from dry straw to wet straw, and they wouldn't do it.

00:30:19.240 So then these cardinals did it themselves.

00:30:23.440 So they had a momentary puff of black smoke, but then the ministers came and gained back control of the stove, and they put more dry straw there.

00:30:33.260 And so then it would go white again.

00:30:36.340 well this went on in what father charu said was a shoving match that basically ended up being a

00:30:44.040 fistfight and this is this explains why you had after the five minutes of white smoke then you

00:30:50.800 had this variation in the color from white to black white to black in you know every color in

00:30:57.080 between and so now there's something very crucial i have to point out here

00:31:02.340 if they were trying to stop this from happening how does siri get elected in the first place

00:31:11.160 because you see he was not inclined to accept unless he had a unanimous or near unanimous

00:31:18.260 election this was well known well it turns out the freemasons in the conclave also voted for him

00:31:27.820 They wanted him elected. And why would they want to do that? Because they wanted to overthrow him beyond the vantage point of the outside Catholic world and put in a replacement.

00:31:46.240 this would be an open violation of canon 2390 that if somebody's elected lawfully and then they

00:31:55.460 accept and then threats are brought to bear where he's shoved aside then another candidate is brought

00:32:01.800 in as a replacement if they hold the second election it's necessarily invalid they did this

00:32:08.140 on purpose to invalidate the election of run calling so they could be presented to the world

00:32:14.860 as a true pope, but in reality he would be an anti-pope not inspired by the Holy Ghost

00:32:22.100 and not protected against issuing erroneous teaching officially,

00:32:28.080 either in his own right as a pope, issuing encyclicals such as Pacimentaris,

00:32:34.380 which was heretical, or ratifying the decrees of a general council.

00:32:40.040 They did the exact same thing again to Siri in 1963.

00:32:44.860 And according to Malik King Martin, twice in 78, four times.

00:32:49.800 They used that man as a stalking horse to vitiate the end result of the conclave.

00:33:00.480 They elected him, they got his acceptance, and then he shoved aside by threats each time.

00:33:06.220 And, of course, you can read the newspaper articles even as late as October 1978, where they were run articles like, Time Could Be Right for Vatican's Eternal Second Runner.

00:33:22.300 This was in the Houston Post.

00:33:27.360 And Momentum Gaining for General Archbishop, that was an article by Andrew Greeley in the Houston Chronicle.

00:33:34.220 And they must have made him think, oh, now's my chance.

00:33:38.260 Now's my time.

00:33:39.480 And he would accept each time and then he would be, he'd be cast aside each time.

00:33:44.760 That would mean, would it not, that all the cardinals had to be silent about this massive scandal.

00:33:54.780 I'll tell you, tell you how they did it.

00:33:57.560 And this was something Father Charu told, not me, but one of my fellow researchers, Father John Lundberg.

00:34:04.220 two years later. He said that they'd hit a deadlock because nobody wanted to be elected

00:34:11.140 because they knew they'd be an invalid pope, be an anti-pope. What are we going to do?

00:34:16.520 So after three days, finally, Ron Colley said, well, look, you know, I'm an old man and I'm not

00:34:21.600 going to be around that much longer. You know, you could put me on the throne and we could call

00:34:28.820 like a roman senate and if the bishops and and you know come together with the cardinals and

00:34:35.040 well and recognize me as pope well that they could basically regularize me and you see some

00:34:42.480 theories like this and some of the um canonical treatises by uh for instance uh father uh sigismon

00:34:52.740 muscavich in his uh landmark book uh supply jurisdiction according to canon 209 on page 26

00:35:00.760 he says um if a pope were to be invalidly elected once he is accepted by the catholic world all his

00:35:08.880 jurisdictional acts become valid now he didn't say that the pope would become valid but that his

00:35:14.580 acts would become valid and so some by some tortured theory they finally decided to go with

00:35:22.380 this this this half-baked plan and siri himself said later you get all those old cardinals locked

00:35:28.040 up in the heat of rome in one room uh and he says and they'll put anybody on the throne just to get

00:35:32.980 out now if you recall uh john henry when there was a lot of questions being raised by different

00:35:42.480 sources, including LiveSite News, about Bergoglio's lawful claim to the papacy. Athanasius Schneider

00:35:50.340 of Kazakhstan, he said, oh, well, you know, as long as the bishops recognize him, he's a real

00:35:54.800 pope. Okay. Now, do you remember what Archbishop Vigano said after that? He said, no, that's not

00:36:02.360 right. It does not conform to the history of the church. He says everybody thought that Clement

00:36:07.460 the seventh was the Pope, but he turned out to have been any Pope. He said all the people of

00:36:14.260 Rome, they thought that he was the Pope. Matter of fact, you could say the same thing of Anticletus

00:36:19.360 II. The entire Roman populace thought he was the real Pope, but later there was a trial at the

00:36:26.760 Second Lateran Council, and Saint Bernard of Clairvaux was there. He was an expert witness.

00:36:34.520 He says, no, this was not a true pope because someone else was elected earlier in time.

00:36:44.240 So it was with Clement VII.

00:36:47.140 Someone else, Pope Irvin, was elected earlier in time.

00:36:51.380 And that was the decision that was arrived at at the Council of Constance.

00:36:56.320 39 years later, so it will be.

00:36:59.080 when we finally have access to Vatican records, that none of these conciliar popes were true popes

00:37:05.540 because somebody else was elected earlier in time, Cardinal Ciri.

00:37:10.480 Now, there are people that want to say, oh, what are you talking about, Cardinal Ciri?

00:37:14.840 I mean, he just went along with everything, and he recognized everybody from John XXIII to Paul VI to JP1, JP2.

00:37:23.940 What are you talking about?

00:37:25.160 Well, that's really kind of a side issue.

00:37:28.020 What is important to understand is that he was used in order to officiate those elections and to produce four anti-popes in a row.

00:37:40.460 Now, whether or not, by his acquiescence, he lost the office, I don't know.

00:37:45.900 I'm going to leave that up to an ecclesiastical court to decide.

00:37:50.560 That's beyond my pay grade.

00:37:52.560 But I think that we can show that the very fact that this was done to him, and even Malky Morton admitted this in this series of interviews with Bernard Janssen, that he was elected four times.

00:38:12.800 So I remember having sent this information to Bishop Alfred Mendes, who used to be at Notre Dame University, and later he was made bishop of the newly created Diocese of Arecibo, Puerto Rico.

00:38:30.160 He was very proud of himself that he had gotten hepatitis and didn't sign the final decrees at the council because he wasn't there.

00:38:37.260 I sent him this information what little I had back in 1987 he said that's it that's got to be

00:38:45.960 the solution nothing else makes sense so um he asked me to go and see Malachi Moore and he gave

00:38:53.720 me his phone number so I I couldn't get up there until uh March um was it was the week of uh March

00:39:04.000 21st, 1988. I spent several days with him. And he was trying to check me out as much as I were

00:39:13.820 trying to get information from him. He wanted to find out, who are you working with? Who's paying

00:39:19.300 for this? Who's involved with you? Can you imagine his frustration? Some guy with a Texas

00:39:27.180 his accent showed up at his door he's thinking what so but anyway we had a number of discussions

00:39:34.480 and he wanted to tell me well you know yeah there was a threat against siri but you know he didn't

00:39:38.700 accept so therefore he wasn't a pope and and and then he's talking about 63 three conclave and then

00:39:44.660 he went on and elected uh martini i said well foe you know i'm not a candid lawyer but that doesn't

00:39:51.640 make any sense to me that you can have somebody elected whether i accept it or not you is forced

00:39:56.880 to get him to step aside and then proceed to elect somebody else i don't see how that could be valid

00:40:01.560 and and so he was he was getting very impatient with me and i wasn't swallowing the line i didn't

00:40:08.840 see him for like 24 hours and i came back and i said you know that father i was staying with some

00:40:14.160 friends in new rochelle i stayed up all night i was wondering why did those liberal cardinals

00:40:19.640 vote for siri in the first place then i said it finally dawned on me of course they voted for him

00:40:26.360 they wanted him to be elected and accept office so after that no valid pope could be elected as

00:40:33.500 long as he lived and at john henry he looked at me with utter astonishment and he was white as a

00:40:41.920 ghost and he said oh i see what you mean and he quickly changed the subject he was arranging for

00:40:50.160 me to have a taxi to go see Conchita Gonzalez of the Garabandal apparitions. She lived at that time

00:40:56.680 in Queens, New York. He knew I was interested in that, so he wanted to get me off that subject

00:41:02.020 quickly. I have written detailed accounts of those meetings. There is also this USA connection. So

00:41:09.840 we knew that with regard to things that Pope Benedict XVI was doing, the U.S. was frustrated

00:41:19.780 with some of the things he was doing, and they made that known. We had the Catholic Spring emails

00:41:27.700 under Hillary Clinton that were leaked, the Podesta emails, and they're talking already about

00:41:33.620 the need for a Catholic Spring, a different thing going on in Rome. We've seen the U.S. do sort of

00:41:40.660 these operations where they take out heads of state. At the time of Benedict, a lot of people

00:41:47.380 thought, hmm, what's he stepping down for? He's still in good health. I mean, the guy lives

00:41:53.380 a decade and he can still function well despite his resignation. So there was all this stuff at

00:42:02.940 the time. People thought something's going on and it has to do with the US. And there was a lot of

00:42:07.460 suspicion. You're saying something very similar with regard to Cardinal Siri. What's that and

00:42:15.400 how does that play out? Economist Jeffrey Sachs says that the United States government has

00:42:20.200 carried out 100 regime change operations since World War II. And like we were talking before

00:42:30.460 about Guatemala, and before that was Iran when they overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh so they could

00:42:38.000 get control over Iranian oil. In Guatemala, when they overthrew Jacobo Arbenz, it was to get

00:42:43.220 control of bananas. So four years after that, they wanted to have regime change in the Vatican

00:42:53.560 so that they could control the way about 500 million people think. And that is a very,

00:43:01.420 very powerful motivation for regime change. It has many of the earmarks of a typical

00:43:08.660 coup d'etat that the government uh our government has carried out in countries all over the world

00:43:16.000 although we don't use that term too much anymore because very few people are familiar with that

00:43:20.680 french term means overthrow of the state uh so in fact i was going to have that as a subtitle to my

00:43:27.900 book the the plot against the pope coup d'etat in the conclave 1958 well i've changed that now

00:43:34.360 Now it says, The Plot Against the Pope, Regime Change in the Vatican, 1958, because people

00:43:40.220 understand what a regime change is.

00:43:42.320 The threat, I believe, was something that Malachi Morton hinted at in his book, Keys

00:43:50.140 of This Plot.

00:43:51.740 He said that the nature of the threat may well have been something that would threaten

00:43:59.720 the very existence of the Vatican city-state, its members, and dependents.

00:44:05.620 Let me just read that.

00:44:07.060 I mean, I've got the clip here because I was going to raise this with you earlier.

00:44:10.460 This is from Alec Martin directly, Keys of His Blood.

00:44:13.340 Without any means of establishing it by notarized statements and duly sworn in eyewitnesses,

00:44:19.620 the rest of the world is still left with the information that the Syrian nomination and

00:44:24.740 election were set aside by what has been called the little brutality, he says in quotes. What is

00:44:31.820 firmly stated is that at least one cardinal elector did have a conversation, however short,

00:44:39.780 with someone not participating in the conclave, that the someone was an emissary of an internationally

00:44:47.420 based organization, that no explicit rule of the conclave privacy was violated by the event,

00:44:53.680 and that the conversation did concern the siri candidacy such an incident during the conclave

00:45:01.640 could with a certain permissible stretching of the terms of conclave law be justified as concerning

00:45:08.580 a quote grave matter of state security end quote what is certain is that the siri candidacy was

00:45:16.260 laid aside and most probably in connection with that conversation this in sum is the

00:45:22.560 little brutality firmly rumored in roman circles at the time of the june 63 conclave and ever since

00:45:30.840 so he's referring there to uh the 1963 conclave but nonetheless you get your left distinctly

00:45:38.220 with the impression that it is a state government in terms of that saying it's most likely the

00:45:42.860 United States, that is, or regards Siri as somehow a threat or inopportune or whatever.

00:45:52.460 But it's interesting because that's corroborated by Maliki Martin as well.

00:45:55.920 In 2015, I was asked to write this article, Grave Reasons of State, quoting Maliki Martin,

00:46:06.560 about the evidence of a threat, of an H-bomb on the Vatican.

00:46:11.500 Of an H-bomb?

00:46:12.860 A hydrogen bomb?

00:46:14.180 Hydrogen bomb, yeah, because by 1958, they only dropped eight bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs.

00:46:21.520 But by 1958, the entire U.S. arsenal had gone over to hydrogen bombs.

00:46:26.580 Anyway, so this is an interesting chart.

00:46:29.920 It shows the level of nuclear explosions, tests, that were being done just prior to the conclave.

00:46:43.920 As a matter of fact, there was an unprecedented number of nuclear tests that were done starting, I think, in May of 1957,

00:46:52.380 right up until the day of the

00:46:54.680 conclave. Larger and larger

00:46:56.460 nuclear

00:46:58.520 weapons by both the Soviets and the

00:47:00.640 U.S., I might add. This

00:47:02.520 went right on until

00:47:04.100 the very conclusion

00:47:06.520 of the conclave. This is something kind of

00:47:08.500 interesting that an airline pilot

00:47:10.520 got for me during a layover in

00:47:12.580 Las Vegas.

00:47:14.260 This is kind of hard to read,

00:47:16.700 but I have a number

00:47:18.680 of articles from the Las Vegas

00:47:20.460 Review-Journal.

00:47:22.380 talking about nuclear weapons testing that was going on at the nevada test site and on the same

00:47:29.500 front page headline they'll say um this this one says pulpit 12 buried today with catholic pomp and

00:47:37.120 ceremonial rites and then here's another another one this showing uh this is showing a mushroom

00:47:43.840 cloud it says uh nuclear glass destroys tower in fourth full scale uh uh test today and then

00:47:52.200 Right next to it, Pope Pius XII returns to Eternal City for services.

00:47:56.780 I mean, the deceased pope.

00:47:59.260 Then here's another one.

00:48:01.220 Third atomic bomb set within 10 hours to fire this morning.

00:48:05.940 And then down here it says,

00:48:08.100 Cordels may pick pope, sir.

00:48:10.560 I mean, there must be seven or eight of these.

00:48:13.600 it says

00:48:16.300 Atomic Energy Commission expands

00:48:19.240 a test

00:48:21.380 to 18 and then

00:48:22.920 Italian Pope election

00:48:25.440 a certainty. I mean it's just

00:48:27.340 one after another

00:48:28.600 all appearing on the front page

00:48:31.320 of the same newspaper

00:48:34.780 and showing that these two things were going on

00:48:37.400 at the same time. So

00:48:39.100 is that a coincidence?

00:48:41.460 I don't think so. I don't believe. I don't think so.

00:48:45.040 You think that what the U.S. was showing its capability and therefore somehow threatening the Cardinal Syria, the Vatican?

00:48:57.000 Well, I tell you what, all we had to do was go back 14 years before that conflict.

00:49:01.480 The United States dropped something like 9,000 bombs on Rome itself. All across Italy, they killed something like 60,000 people. They bombed the Pope's summer residence at Castle Gandolfo, which was extraterritorial property of the Vatican City. It was not part of Italy.

00:49:28.460 So, I mean, the U.S. and the Allies were supposedly not at war with the church, but they blew that up, too, and they killed about 700 people, most of whom were children, refugees that had been brought there for their safety.

00:49:44.960 and and the u.s. had this lame excuse oh well we got we had the information that the vatican was

00:49:54.100 was hiding german officers there okay at the same time the vatican was hiding jews in the vatican

00:50:03.000 from the german officers i mean this this is really nuts this is really not and that was

00:50:08.240 Obviously, they were sending them a message.

00:50:11.200 And I don't think most Catholics, most American Catholics, realize that their government banned Rome with 9,000 ordinances, bombs.

00:50:21.200 You know, it's just unbelievable.

00:50:22.940 They don't even know the role that we play.

00:50:25.300 For instance, the annihilation of Monte Cassino, which was 80 miles south of Rome, had been, I think it was built, or at least the construction started in, I think, 529 by St. Benedict.

00:50:38.240 And General Mark Clark told the Allies, do not touch the monastery because there's not any Germans inside, because nobody in his right mind would get in a big structure like that with big stone beams coming down and crushing them. 0.80

00:50:54.600 But he said, if you do bomb that and you reduce that hilltop to rubble, that will be a perfect place for the Germans to set up their gun emplacements.

00:51:04.260 So don't do it. And guess what? They did it.

00:51:06.860 It was General Freiburg, New Zealand Air Force General Freiburg,

00:51:12.340 who somehow overrid General Mark Clark.

00:51:15.520 And so it was reduced to trouble.

00:51:18.360 So I don't think American Catholics realize that.

00:51:21.600 You know, I was interviewing Bishop Wilhelm from Belleville, Ontario.

00:51:28.600 It was about 32 years ago.

00:51:32.160 There's a lot of interesting people in Canada, John Henry.

00:51:35.660 Anyway, he was telling me that he was a chaplain during World War II, and he had the opportunity to meet Field Marshal Montgomery, and Montgomery just blurted out, he says, well, this was during the Italian campaign, and he says, we're going to kill all, what has he said, how many Italians were living there?

00:52:00.340 40 million he is some he is some kind of a um ethnic pejorative we're gonna we're gonna kill 0.97

00:52:07.680 all of them and then as a prelude to killing another 150 million in continental europe 0.99

00:52:13.000 and bishop william wasn't a bishop at that time he was a lonely chaplain he said well

00:52:18.460 uh sir field marshal montgomery i don't think that killing civilians is the actual stated

00:52:25.560 purpose of this war. But that was really, that's really what they had in mind. And I think when

00:52:31.520 you consider the firebombing of Dresden, the incendiary bombing of Osaka in Japan, I mean,

00:52:39.000 we killed hundreds of thousands of people that had nothing to do with that war. And then finally,

00:52:43.800 the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was where the Catholics were concentrated in Japan,

00:52:50.080 Again, there is a definite pattern that comes out in the U.S. and allied conduct of that war.

00:52:58.420 And while, yes, they might have been sending the Soviets a message, I think actually they were sending the Vatican a message.

00:53:07.160 This is what we're able to do. This is what we're willing to do.

00:53:09.700 You say you have some evidence of something of this nature, and it is this telegram.

00:53:18.960 Tell us about that.

00:53:19.920 We're going to put it up on the screen here.

00:53:21.560 What are we looking at?

00:53:22.560 So we're looking at the telegram sent by the U.S. ambassador to Italy, James Zellerbach, was sent on the 11th of October, 1958, two days after Popeye's 12 died, to U.S. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles.

00:53:39.160 And in this telegram, he says he's passing on a request from a source inside the conclave, which I believe is, I think is Cardinal Tisserant.

00:53:53.960 And he says that Siri, Ruffini, and Ottaviani have an unrealistic approach to the great problems facing the world today, in that the U.S. would do well to use its exercise on the American cardinals, basically to prevent the election of any of those three.

00:54:15.520 Well, it was about those three cardinals that was unrealistic, several things, but one of those was the fact that none of those cardinals were going to change the policy of Pius XII in refusing to recognize the Zionist occupation state, or colony, I should say, in Palestine.

00:54:43.620 They, highest of 12th, never referred to it as Israel.

00:54:47.400 He always referred to it as Palestine.

00:54:49.760 And these three cardinals were known to be committed to following that policy.

00:54:55.620 And you see, they have big plans. 0.60

00:54:58.580 People that run this country, people that run the Zionist Project, they are joined at the hip.

00:55:04.660 And the big plan, and it's been for 100 years I've been working on this, is to rebuild that temple in Jerusalem. 0.86

00:55:11.880 that is the plan and what and for what reason well first of all to reintroduce animal sacrifices

00:55:19.680 which is an affront to god because our lord's death on the cross ended for all time animal

00:55:25.020 sacrifices they have been trying forever to reverse though the new testament the new covenant's

00:55:32.100 replacement of the old cup they even now several of these conciliar popes have said i think uh

00:55:38.460 Waitiba, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio, they all said that God's covenant with the Jewish people has never been terminated, and it's still in effect.

00:55:47.820 Well, that's a blatant lie.

00:55:49.020 They terminated themselves in Matthew 27, 25, may as both be upon us and on our children.

00:55:58.480 And John 19, 15, we have no king but Caesar.

00:56:02.180 the new covenant which is its most important manifestation is the holy sacrifice of the mass

00:56:08.380 had to be suppressed had to be removed had to disappear to pave the way for the return of the

00:56:16.760 old the old covenant and this is what the u.s is working on and i dare say this is what the

00:56:23.520 present vatican leadership is working on as well and um and you can look at it for instance

00:56:29.640 Just look at then Cardinal Ratzinger's commentary in the Pontifical Biblical Commission's publication 25 years ago.

00:56:43.680 the hebrew people and their sacred scriptures in the christian bible of which he was the president

00:56:49.740 of that of that vatican office in the in the prelude which he wrote himself to that 210 page

00:56:59.840 report he actually predicts with with with great um enthusiasm the one he says the one who is to

00:57:11.140 come. And he puts one capitalized as if to suggest divinity. And he said, the one who is to come

00:57:21.180 will not be Jesus, but will have the same traits as the Jesus who has already come and lived

00:57:29.260 amongst us. I mean, this is blasphemy. Was he referring to Antichrist? You call it what you

00:57:35.180 want. I would say, at the very least, a political Antichrist. How could a Vatican official, he

00:57:40.700 wasn't yet pope yet how can a vatican official talk with such glee and and enthusiasm oh was

00:57:48.000 it enthusiasm that i didn't get that that it was enthusiasm i i thought it was just a statement

00:57:52.580 he says that really we should um we should accept the jewish interpretation of the prophecies

00:57:59.640 regarding the coming messiah redeemer and savior mankind uh as a possible interpretation

00:58:06.480 and not insist upon our Christian or our Catholic interpretation of those prophets.

00:58:12.060 Where is that?

00:58:13.100 Give me that reference again, if you would.

00:58:15.000 The Plot Against the Pope dot com, or it's also Siri Thesis dot com.

00:58:20.600 You will find a link in there where you can go and get that document,

00:58:25.200 which is taken right off the Vatican website.

00:58:27.660 But I have highlighted in yellow the key passages

00:58:30.820 so you don't have to go hunt for them through 210 pages.

00:58:35.160 You will see it, and John Henry, it will blow you away.

00:58:38.600 How could they promote this idea? 0.52

00:58:41.620 What is the purpose other than to Judaize the Catholic world, 0.93

00:58:45.840 like the Protestants have been with their Christian Zionism? 0.99

00:58:48.940 Certainly interesting. I'll have to look into that. 0.74

00:58:51.140 But let's get back to this document here that you were telling us about,

00:58:54.660 about the Zellerbeck document.

00:58:57.460 What is its significance, and what does it mean?

00:59:02.040 Well, what's interesting is that I think what's significant is that the U.S. government official actually expresses an interest in preventing the election of one of those three cardinals.

00:59:14.040 This is indicative of direct U.S. interference or at least a desired interference.

00:59:22.100 They say that they might be able to do this by exercising discreetly their own influence on certain American cardinals.

00:59:31.700 Well, there were only two cardinals that actually got into the conclave.

00:59:35.480 One of them, who was considered a conservative, Cardinal Mooney, dropped dead at the American College.

00:59:42.800 Well, I didn't drop dead, but he got very sick right after he ate lunch and went and reclined on the bed.

00:59:50.180 and he was dead within about two hours and so that was just as the cardinals were were lining

00:59:56.960 up to march into the conclave which began in earnest the next day on 26 october that's when

01:00:02.580 the voting starts so that leaves spelman and mcintyre mcintyre was a former stock trader

01:00:11.360 on wall street later became a catholic and priest bishop cardinal spelman had a long history as i

01:00:18.340 said earlier of doing the bidding of the U.S. State Department. And he had a, I believe,

01:00:26.580 I believe this is correct, a visitor from the CIA before he went to that conclave. Was he given a

01:00:33.180 message? Was he the one, as Lawrence Erickson suggests, who handed the threatening note to

01:00:39.700 Siri? I don't know. Don't know. But I do believe that that's what they're talking about. John

01:00:46.420 Foster Dulles and John McCabe, who was head of the Atomic Energy Commission, had a meeting with

01:00:54.140 Spellman and McIntyre, and I guess Mooney also, on the day of Pope Pius XII's funeral. They had

01:01:02.240 been at a disarmament conference in Geneva, Switzerland, and they left to go to Rome for

01:01:09.420 the Pope's funeral and afterwards to talk to the Cardinals. What did they tell them? What message

01:01:15.820 did they give Spellman, if any, or McIntyre, but probably Spellman, to pass on to the newly elected

01:01:23.880 pope if it's somebody that the U.S. government didn't want to be pope. Now, here's another

01:01:30.040 thing, too. This was reported in the foreign policy website Veterans Today. It turns out that

01:01:40.440 according to journalist Claudio Arresta,

01:01:44.680 Siri had been conducting

01:01:46.040 his own negotiations with the USSR

01:01:51.280 through the local Genoan Soviet consulate office.

01:01:59.240 It seems that Siri did a big favor

01:02:01.880 for the consulate general there.

01:02:05.680 His son needed a medical treatment,

01:02:08.420 wasn't available in Russia.

01:02:09.520 So Syria made it possible for him to get treated in Italy, and apparently the boy was cured.

01:02:16.120 Anyway, so this primland found out about this, and they knew that Syria was anti-communist,

01:02:22.720 but they thought, well, at least he's a decent person, an honest broker.

01:02:27.140 Maybe we could communicate with him because he's known to be pretty close to Popeyes XII.

01:02:33.060 And Claudio Resta talks about this in some detail.

01:02:36.180 Well, you can be sure that the U.S. government would have known this.

01:02:40.800 They would not have liked for the Vatican to have its own separate diplomatic channel right into the Kremlin.

01:02:47.540 If they had some kind of rapprochement, and in the process, the Cold War was revealed to be unnecessary.

01:02:58.760 And believe me, I have no delusions about how evil the Soviets were.

01:03:03.340 They wanted to drop out of the arms race because it was bankrupting them.

01:03:09.340 And so they saw this as a possible opening. 0.96

01:03:15.200 Sirius saw it as a possible way addressing the well-being of Catholics trapped behind the inner curtain.

01:03:22.900 He wanted better treatment for those people.

01:03:25.180 So they both went into those negotiations, which he was conducting on his own without any kind of Vatican oversight for his own agenda, and later, according to Arresta, he made this known to Pope Pius XII, and the Pope wanted him to leave, gentlemen, come to the Vatican and take charge of this diplomatic outreach between the Vatican and the Kremlin.

01:03:52.280 Here's a point that people don't realize. The Cold War was actually a colossal fraud. We had to have a bogeyman. So in order to do that, we had to make sure that Soviet Russia, which was devastated by World War II, had an arms buildup, which they couldn't really accomplish on their own at that time.

01:04:19.680 And so there are a number of books by Anthony Sutton. For instance, The Best Enemy Money Can Buy and National Suicide. There's other books on my bookshelf back here that he wrote about the massive technological transfer from the United States to Russia, which enabled them to be a formidable adversary to the United States.

01:04:46.240 Now, what would they do there? Well, they had to justify massive arms expenditures in this country, and this was making a handful of people enormously wealthy and powerful.

01:04:57.240 And so the idea that a man who was maybe just a few part beats away from the papacy could possibly open up a new dialogue with the Soviets and bring the level of tension down several notches, putting pressure on the U.S. to back off from the arms buildup,

01:05:25.940 That just wasn't acceptable.

01:05:27.980 Here's a criticism that even for postulating things with regard to Francis Leo, you get

01:05:34.160 this question, well, then what can be done?

01:05:37.180 What can be done?

01:05:38.320 We have no pope.

01:05:40.560 And how can you ever have a pope again?

01:05:42.860 What's what's supposed to happen?

01:05:44.360 The church is just supposed to have no pope forever.

01:05:46.840 These prophecies take back about 200 years.

01:05:50.880 There was a little book that came out 56 years ago, Catholic Prophecy by E.

01:05:55.920 DuPont. He couldn't have possibly foreseen what's going on now. And yet, on a few of his

01:06:01.860 interpretations, he hit a bullseye. A lot of things he was way off, but some things he was

01:06:06.360 right on the money. Something is going to trigger a massive Muslim uprising. 1.00

01:06:13.800 And here's what I think it's going to be. I think that Donald Trump is under such total control

01:06:20.500 of the Zionist forces that, seeing that they cannot possibly win in a conventional war 0.88

01:06:28.040 against Iran, I believe he's going to drop a tactical nuclear weapon on Tehran with the 0.87

01:06:35.720 potential of killing 16 million people. If he does that, I think there's going to be an uprising

01:06:42.000 in Europe, just as the prophecies of the saints have told us. And I think that that will result

01:06:50.100 in the overthrow of many governments,

01:06:53.480 the overthrow of the existing political order in Europe,

01:06:57.300 which is corrupt to the hilt.

01:06:59.640 And I don't think the Vatican is going to be spared.

01:07:02.820 And I think that this anti-church,

01:07:07.540 which Anna Catherine Emmerich said

01:07:09.420 that the faithful should pray unceasingly,

01:07:11.540 will leave Rome, 1.00

01:07:13.600 I think it'll be driven out by this Muslim uprising. 1.00

01:07:19.240 because I think they will flee like the hirelings that they are. 1.00

01:07:23.460 Obviously, you think that is imminent. 0.99

01:07:26.160 This warning about Iran has been around for a long, long time, actually. 0.95

01:07:32.060 But here's the other part of the story.

01:07:34.660 St. Robert Bellarmine says that you have several levels of backup electors for the Pope.

01:07:43.860 and first in line are the senior clergy of the local church of rome some of those are so old

01:07:53.360 that they have um priestly mission dating back to pope pius the 12th if they were to elect

01:08:00.380 um a pope from among one of those clergy of course he'd have to be consecrated

01:08:06.900 i believe that they'd have to engage the services of one of the nearby eastern right bishops

01:08:12.420 who comes from a church where they haven't destroyed their Episcopal orders

01:08:19.760 or their priestly orders, as Paul VI did to us in the Roman Rite.

01:08:25.560 And now that is a human solution.

01:08:29.100 And every election of a pope has been a human,

01:08:31.320 except our Lord's appointment of Peter.

01:08:34.000 There's another possibility, and it comes from Elizabeth Knory Mora,

01:08:38.260 and it was similar to a prophecy of Blessed Amorea Taichi.

01:08:41.680 Blessed Elizabeth said a time will come when the papacy shall sink so low that it will seem to have been extinguished.

01:08:50.800 Then Saints Peter and Paul shall appear upon the earth and a light shall emanate from their bodies and descend upon the person chosen by heaven to lead the church.

01:09:00.120 And it could be that that will be, it could be a heavenly manifestation that would affirm the human efforts taken by the local clergy, the backup electors of the Pope.

01:09:15.380 It's possible because it'll be a tough sell for them to get the whole Catholic world to rally around what they've done.

01:09:22.720 people have been erroneously following this leadership that's hell-bent on destroying

01:09:29.100 Catholic doctrine, worship, and practice for the last 68 years.

01:09:34.160 Gary Giffray, I thank you so much for joining us. It is a fascinating ride through this

01:09:39.660 theory of yours, and it is where you present the proofs for a lot of things. It shakes you. It's

01:09:46.800 something to look at for sure. What is truly great is that you still maintain the faith,

01:09:53.200 the faith of your childhood, of your family, and you believe all of what the church has always

01:09:59.700 taught, which is very different from where many of our most stellar prelates are today. So God

01:10:06.240 bless you, and let's all continue to pray for the church. It was a great honor to be with you today,

01:10:11.460 John Henry. I appreciate this opportunity very much. God bless you, and God bless all of you.

01:10:16.800 and we'll see you next time.

The John-Henry Westen Show - October 28, 2026

The Man Who Claims Evidence of Papal Infiltration

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