The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - October 18, 2026


Marriage Is An All In Bet

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00:01:50.360 So thank you very much for coming tonight.
00:01:52.460 So I'm going to talk for about 70 minutes, and then we'll do a Q&A.
00:01:57.640 And if Michaela has a question, then she can ask me that question.
00:02:01.380 Otherwise, we'll turn to the questions from the audience.
00:02:05.220 So I always, I sit backstage before these talks, and I think about what I'm working on,
00:02:14.300 because I'm always working on the material that I talk about when I lecture.
00:02:18.200 i'm really in the absolutely final stages of finishing the book this tour is based on
00:02:27.500 i actually wrote three books while i was writing this book so i have a pathway laid out into the
00:02:35.380 future this book we who wrestle with god concentrates mostly on old testament stories and i
00:02:43.000 I finished that with the story of Job, which is an Old Testament story about suffering, and then also an analysis of the Gospels, but that turned out to be a far more complicated venture than I thought it might, and so that's going to be a separate book, which is fine with me.
00:03:03.920 I also, by the way, many of you, some of you, have watched the lectures I did in 2017 on Genesis.
00:03:16.480 And then I followed that up with a seminar with The Daily Wire, which we also put on YouTube, courtesy of The Daily Wire, on Exodus.
00:03:25.800 And I brought the same people back together who were part of that Exodus seminar.
00:03:31.320 And we did a seminar in Nashville the first week of April on the Gospels.
00:03:36.340 And so that'll be—they're going to have that whipped up in about three months, I think, something like that.
00:03:42.400 And so I've done a reasonably—well, I wouldn't say comprehensive analysis of the Gospels.
00:03:52.360 I think, is it John? Is it Gospel of John that ends with a statement that if all the books that had ever been written,
00:04:01.320 had been written about the events in the gospels that still wouldn't be enough books to cover
00:04:07.060 the material at hand to tell the story properly and there's some real truth in that
00:04:12.100 for a variety of very complicated reasons in any case
00:04:18.280 i sit backstage before these talks and i review what i've been working on what i've been writing
00:04:26.820 about what i've been thinking about because one of the real advantages to this tour the tour that
00:04:34.160 i've really been on with my wife and some of my family for it's like six years really um is that
00:04:44.000 i have an opportunity to think on my feet you know three or four times a week for 90 minutes or
00:04:50.060 thereabouts that's really a great it's a great opportunity right it's a it's a rare opportunity
00:04:56.100 of course to have to have a constantly changing audience of thousands of people that's amazing
00:05:02.840 enough in itself but then also to have that opportunity to think through what i'm working on
00:05:09.260 and then present it to see if i can get the ideas straight but simultaneously make them
00:05:16.700 comprehensible right that's a huge a huge element of having an audience at hand you know if you pay
00:05:22.900 attention this is a good thing to do if you're ever going to speak publicly you don't speak
00:05:26.960 don't speak to the crowd that makes everybody nervous you speak to a crowd there's a thousand
00:05:33.260 people or three thousand people evaluating you that's going to make you nervous well that's not
00:05:40.560 the right way to conceptualize it first of all it's not about you that's the first thing to know
00:05:47.740 when you're speaking in public you should be you should be serving something when you're speaking
00:05:54.940 in public you should be serving well at least your aim if your aim is self-aggrandizement then
00:06:01.320 it's going to make you nervous because then it's about you and there's actually no difference
00:06:05.260 between being self-conscious and being miserable and nervous and so one of the things you might
00:06:11.340 derive from that observation the next time you become nervous publicly is whether or not
00:06:17.840 it's about you because if it was about the person you're talking to or if it was about
00:06:23.040 the topic at hand or the higher purpose that you're attempting to serve and you were really
00:06:28.200 concentrating on that your self-consciousness would vanish and along with it the anxiety and
00:06:35.080 and shame that's attendant on that it's very interesting you know that we become ashamed
00:06:42.440 when we become self-conscious why would that be the case it's like well it's because
00:06:47.920 if it's about you that's a sin and there's an instinct that signifies that and that's the
00:06:55.260 instinct that makes you blush right it's it's an indication from the deepest reservoirs of your soul
00:07:02.100 or your deepest instincts if you want to think about it biologically that you're acting in a
00:07:07.580 manner that doesn't serve the communal interest or your own future because it's about you and it's
00:07:14.060 it's strangely about you you know it's about it's not even about you in the higher sense it's not
00:07:19.860 about the you that would fit well into a marriage or a family or a community or a or a state or a
00:07:27.940 it's more about the immediately gratified you that's looking for narcissistic self-aggrandizement
00:07:36.500 and that is not the best version of you that's for sure like seriously it serves no master except
00:07:43.640 your narrow whim and that's part of wrestling with God so I was backstage today and I was thinking
00:07:52.320 I usually try to think about a question right because one of the things you want to do
00:07:57.560 if you're thinking if you're praying if you're meditating if you're speaking publicly and
00:08:04.020 deliberating if you're having a conversation even that's a deep conversation is you want to have a
00:08:09.360 question at hand right it's like you're trying to investigate something which is what i'm trying to
00:08:14.400 do when i do these lectures i'm trying to investigate something i'm trying to get further
00:08:18.900 in my thinking that's a form of wrestling as well you know and i thought that the question that came
00:08:25.660 to mind tonight as i wrap up my book and near the end of this tour as well is is to further
00:08:33.340 my understanding and explication of what it means to wrestle with god that's the name of the tour
00:08:39.500 it's the name of the book it also happens to be the meaning of the word israel which signifies
00:08:48.720 the chosen people of God and I learned that in 2017 it really struck me because we tend to think
00:08:57.280 of the ancient Hebrews or even perhaps the modern Jews as the chosen people of God but the biblical
00:09:03.620 text is quite clear in its insistence that the word Israel means those who wrestle with God and
00:09:09.380 the reason that struck me was because I understood at least to some degree what that wrestling meant
00:09:15.340 which is part of what i'm going to talk about tonight but i also thought it's a very expansive
00:09:20.640 definition of the chosen people because everyone wrestles with god and you might say well i don't
00:09:27.000 believe in god it's like well we're going to get into that tonight because there are there are no
00:09:35.280 non-belief stances in life this is a very interesting thing to understand about faith
00:09:41.100 is you're going to have faith in something it might be nothing it might be nothing that you
00:09:45.940 have faith in well that makes you a like a fractionated nihilist and but even under those
00:09:51.800 conditions if you are a fractionated and faithless nihilist let's say who believes in nothing
00:09:58.320 it isn't even the case that you believe in nothing the case is that you then serve
00:10:04.740 the spirit of your own whims right because if you truly believed in nothing you just perish
00:10:12.420 i've had very very depressed people let's say in my clinical practice who really had abandoned
00:10:19.780 faith in virtually everything like they were truly suffering from a deep nihilism and that's fatal
00:10:28.040 like if you're a true believer in nothing and i'm not accusing my depressed clients of
00:10:33.760 being faithless like depression is a very complicated condition and it it can emerge
00:10:38.680 it's a pain condition most fundamentally and it can emerge for all sorts of reasons including
00:10:43.820 physical illness there's many pathways to depression but the end point of a truly nihilistic
00:10:50.260 depression tends to be either suicide or the wish for non-existence right and so the belief in
00:10:57.800 Nothing devolves into like a degenerate hopelessness.
00:11:02.440 And if it doesn't devolve into that, it devolves into something like, well, like the attitude that Dostoevsky's character Raskolnikov adopts in his famous book Crime and Punishment.
00:11:16.020 It devolves into something like the belief that if there's no God, everything is permitted, which is a famous line from Dostoevsky.
00:11:24.900 a very astute a very brilliant criticism of the atheistic presumption if there's no god then
00:11:32.360 everything is permitted and that devolves into something like a an immature and impulsive
00:11:37.640 hedonism right if there's no higher purpose why the hell shouldn't you just do whatever the hell
00:11:41.880 you want with whoever you want under whatever circumstances present themselves if it results
00:11:48.400 in your own pleasure let's say momentary though that may be especially if you can get away with
00:11:54.440 it if you have some power why not do that and that's a you know the typical reductionistic
00:12:00.400 atheist would say well that isn't what you do if you were a good person but the right objection to
00:12:05.160 that is good by what standard exactly what do you mean by good and where does that conception come
00:12:12.000 from and what is it this rationalistic conception of good that you think rules over people who are
00:12:18.460 somehow sensible enough to be ethical it's like that's a very naive view of the world and if you've
00:12:23.740 ever met any truly bad people you'll understand that that argument bounces off them like what
00:12:30.480 would you say it's like shooting it's like shooting it's like shooting down at a rhinoceroses
00:12:37.740 rhinoceros it's just it just has no impact whatsoever is it called peterson academy
00:12:44.260 peterson academy peterson academy it's called peterson academy peterson academy if you want
00:12:49.240 an actual education with hand selected professors from top universities around the world bringing
00:12:55.820 the best professors together making sure they're not censored in any way giving them the audience
00:12:59.760 and the remuneration and appreciation they deserve and you were true to your word you gave
00:13:02.920 me absolute intellectual autonomy i have had it through every course we figure we can offer people
00:13:07.840 a high quality university level education for under two thousand dollars well congratulations
00:13:12.780 jordan it's honestly brilliant can't wait to enroll myself i'll be doing that straight after this
00:13:17.060 Fangio.
00:13:22.600 What does it mean to wrestle with God?
00:13:24.680 Well, that's the question for tonight.
00:13:26.140 Well, the first thing I would propose to you,
00:13:29.480 I propose to you a number of things.
00:13:31.520 The first thing I would propose to you, perhaps, 1.00
00:13:35.480 is that you wrestle in part because you're ignorant 0.99
00:13:40.900 and life is beyond you in its complexity and possibilities. 0.94
00:13:47.060 and so what do i mean by that well you don't know everything in fact there's a lot you don't know
00:13:52.700 there's way more that you don't know than you think even and that doesn't really doesn't really
00:13:57.400 matter who you are right i mean experts are aware of the limitations of their own knowledge in their
00:14:04.160 field of expertise but they're generally not aware of how limited their knowledge is in fields they're
00:14:08.740 not expert in and so you can be ignorant about your own ignorance and there's some relief in that
00:14:14.240 but but that's just an indication of how much you don't know no imagine what you know about a
00:14:22.580 military helicopter you kind of know what one is you could probably draw one at about the same level
00:14:29.240 of skill as your average four-year-old but that's pretty much the sum total of your understanding
00:14:34.640 and there are things in the world that are a lot more complicated than military helicopters and so
00:14:40.680 a lot of what you know is pretty damn patchy and so how do you make your way in the world
00:14:48.980 in the face of all that ignorance and the answer is you take some walloping risks
00:14:54.360 you sort of hurl yourself into the unknown right and you do that likely armed with something
00:15:02.820 approximating principles and so and you you pay your fee and you take your chances and
00:15:11.080 what that means in some fundamental sense is that you have to confront the world with faith okay so
00:15:18.100 what do i mean by that i want to be very specific about this see in the modern world when you hear
00:15:24.400 people who are religious or a religious or anti-religious debate they often start with
00:15:31.300 a disagreement about faith and the atheistic rationalist types accuse the religious of
00:15:39.260 faith in nonsense right the faith of a child the faith that a child might have in santa claus
00:15:45.460 except it's the old man with a beard in the sky right that it's faith in superstition it's faith
00:15:51.280 in the religious description of the world as if it's a scientific theory about the world but that
00:15:57.000 isn't really what faith means not in the most fundamental sense if you have faith in something
00:16:03.520 you commit to it right and that means you sort of throw yourself all in in relationship to that
00:16:10.240 so let's just think about that how that plays out in your own life well you do that when you get
00:16:15.900 married well obviously because like what the hell do you know about your future partner about what 0.87
00:16:22.540 you're going to encounter together right you're you're even more ignorant about the person that 0.81
00:16:27.580 you've fallen in love with than you are about yourself and so that's pretty much an unfathomable 0.98
00:16:32.820 ignorance and especially when you put the two of you together because you're both mysterious
00:16:37.540 to each other and to yourselves and then when you put yourself together that unit is even more
00:16:43.460 mysterious than the sum of its incomprehensible parts and so how do you manage the marriage
00:16:49.460 you know and the answer is well it's difficult it's difficult it's challenging but you you
00:16:55.800 manage it with a vow predicated commitment that's the first thing right it's it's it's you engage in
00:17:02.640 a kind of a mutual beneficial shockling and and it's a bet and it's a faith predicated bet and
00:17:09.940 the bet is i'm going to take my chances with you if you're willing to do the same and we're both
00:17:16.400 going to presume because what do you have for proof we're going to presume that we can muddle
00:17:22.080 through this mess better together than we could apart right and that's a very negative way of
00:17:27.820 putting it and i don't really want to do that well it's good to be you know bloody minded and
00:17:33.360 and and non-naive about such things i mean i know there's a huge positive upside you you fall in
00:17:40.060 love with someone and you want to have them with you and you want to continue your adventure with
00:17:44.900 them and but i'm thinking more about the times when life is very difficult and the relationship
00:17:50.680 is strained at least in part because of that complexity you know you've made an all-in bet
00:17:56.180 and you do that in faith and it's a sacrificial gesture as well very and this is something to
00:18:03.140 understand too is that virtually all the important decisions in our life are sacrificial gestures
00:18:07.680 because we give up much of what could be to have something that actually is and that's what you do
00:18:14.880 in a marriage right is that you forego all others and that's a lot of potential that's
00:18:20.960 no longer at hand at least potential of a certain type but but you you bargain with fate in faith
00:18:29.040 in the assumption that the possibility that will reveal itself in consequence of the faith-based
00:18:36.060 commitment that you make to your partner is a possibility or potential that's richer in its
00:18:42.200 potential return than what you might gain by investigating continually investigating all other
00:18:48.800 options right but what do you know you know did you find the person that was best for you well
00:18:53.800 first of all that's a foolish quest to begin with because then it's about you and we already
00:18:58.640 established that that's a mistake right it should be about what you can offer to the other person but
00:19:03.980 but you still leap into the abyss with your partner in good faith right and it's a good
00:19:13.180 bargain all things considered i don't you know if you know this but i think this is insanely comical
00:19:18.320 about as comical as the fact that the babylon bee exists i mean christian satirists like where the 0.86
00:19:24.800 hell did they come from that's like a complete impossibility but you know who has the most sex
00:19:31.240 this is hilarious religious married people right so that no one would have guessed that like in 0.98
00:19:39.020 in 1968 when all the flower children were out there you know fornicating in the ellies and so 0.78
00:19:45.560 dawn of the sexual revolution we'll all be free it's like 30 percent of japanese people under 0.82
00:19:54.300 the age of 30 are now virgins right and we're creeping up on that in in all across the west 0.84
00:19:59.920 because it turns out that the net consequence of the unbridled hedonism of the sexual revolution
00:20:06.180 is that relationships and sex just disappear right so it's very what a paradoxical realization
00:20:13.220 that is is that if you take sex out of its box you destroy it and so no one no one saw that coming
00:20:21.120 that's for sure but it's it really does it truly seems to be the case and you know the evidence
00:20:27.620 for that is accruing quite rapidly in all sorts of different dimensions so you leap into a marriage
00:20:33.260 in faith and that's a wrestling with faith you know and you do that in part because you see
00:20:39.660 you might say well what do you have your what do you have faith in in relationship to a marriage
00:20:45.300 and some of it's obviously tradition and community right because if you didn't have faith in
00:20:50.880 tradition you wouldn't get married you just live together living together by the way doesn't seem
00:20:56.120 to be a very good solution couples who live together before they get married are much more
00:21:00.680 likely to get divorced not less turns out you can't just try someone out like you might like
00:21:06.260 a used car hopefully not one that's too used let's say sorry about that couldn't couldn't resist
00:21:16.460 couldn't resist so no it looks like to establish a relationship with someone given how short life
00:21:23.420 in is and how high the stakes are is that you have to make a commitment and you actually don't get
00:21:29.520 the relationship without the commitment and if you try to have the relationship without the
00:21:33.120 commitment you just destroy the relationship and even the possibility of relationship and so that's
00:21:38.260 a weird thing because it sort of suggests that to have the advantage of a marriage you have to take
00:21:43.780 all the risks up front and that the evidence you don't have evidence for that at the beginning
00:21:48.680 quite the contrary so you have to leap in well on what basis well you have some faith in tradition
00:21:53.580 because marriage is a traditional uh arrangement right and you might be all annoyed about that
00:22:00.520 and think that marriage is nothing but an extension of the power mad patriarchy into the
00:22:04.600 private realm and who needs a piece of paper anyways and but the but the uh the evidence
00:22:10.880 suggests that that's not a very productive attitude for you or for your community you leap in
00:22:18.100 in faith and in faith in what well to some degree in faith in tradition as we already defined it
00:22:25.360 faith in the religious tradition even because most people who get married get married in church and
00:22:30.960 the secular replacements for a religious religious predicated wedding are pretty dismal and dry and
00:22:39.740 so the religious enterprise itself certainly brings something to bear on the sacrament of marriage
00:22:45.380 defining it even as a sacrament and you also have faith in love right which is an interesting thing
00:22:52.780 to have faith in because it can lead you astray especially if you're a little demented in your
00:22:58.060 vision to begin with but you have faith in love and that's an interesting thing to just carry with
00:23:03.260 you and faith in love is well what is that exactly is that faith in a deepest deep instinct obviously
00:23:11.440 because speaking biologically again obviously love is part of the web of instincts that binds
00:23:16.960 us together but it does more than that right it reveals what does it do is it reveals the wonder
00:23:22.660 of the other person to you reveals maybe what's best about you you know because if someone's
00:23:28.620 foolish enough to fall in love with you they are attempting attempting to establish a relationship
00:23:35.040 i would say with what's best in you that's probably what they see and that's what makes 0.99
00:23:40.820 them fall in love right and you know you can be a cynic and call that a delusion but you really 0.97
00:23:46.780 have to be a fool to be that cynical because even if you're cynical about that in relationship to a 0.97
00:23:52.740 romantic partner are are you cynical like that in relationship to the love you have for your 1.00
00:23:57.580 for your children i mean if you're that cynical well god help you like seriously well seriously
00:24:05.340 You know, I mean, you have to be a cynical person indeed to question the intrinsic value of the love that you would feel for a small child, for your own child, for other children, for that matter.
00:24:18.960 And one of the things that really shocked me when we first had little kids was how having them brought out the best in everyone around.
00:24:27.000 You don't even know this till you're a parent and you have a little kid and then, you know, you're ferrying your little kid down the street.
00:24:33.200 And even the hardened street alcoholics do their best to smile and, you know, act momentarily like relatively civilized human beings capable of love when they see, you know, a small child who's sort of enticed and entranced by the world.
00:24:51.180 And so you have to be very damaged in your soul before that love that what naturally obtains between adults with any moral orientation left in them at all and children.
00:25:08.780 And so you have faith in love to be married.
00:25:12.420 What else?
00:25:13.440 Well, you have faith in your partner.
00:25:16.680 To what?
00:25:17.640 to wrestle with you like alongside you with fate and with the possibility and opportunity that
00:25:27.220 the world presents but then also with you so the word eve the hebrew word for eve
00:25:33.840 is is either canegdo something like that i'm sure i'm mangling the hebrew
00:25:39.400 um it's a very interesting combination of words because it means it has a martial element
00:25:46.180 so an easer e-z-e-r e-z-e-r is a military ally and a conegno means something like
00:25:56.020 aid or helper or combatant or i think i think a really useful interpretation is something like
00:26:03.160 partner in play and so the idea is that if you have a marriage you know you want why partner in
00:26:10.740 play well imagine that you want to i don't know maybe you're playing chess or checkers or one-on-one
00:26:15.700 basketball i don't really care you're going to pick an opponent one opponent in a game is someone
00:26:21.600 to play with right they're an opponent they're competing with you but they're not exactly a
00:26:26.180 competitor because they're playing the same game right and and so that's a that's emblematic of
00:26:33.000 deep cooperation to be playing the same game even if you're both jockeying for position but you also
00:26:38.460 want if you have any sense you want a partner in a game who not one that you can defeat not one that
00:26:46.260 you can certainly defeat one that you could conceivably defeat on a relatively equal basis
00:26:53.980 if you were both trying your best and the reason you want that is because if you're playing with
00:26:58.960 someone who pushes you to the limit of your development then you develop and grow and that's
00:27:04.700 the best sort of victory in a game right and so and that's what you want in a marriage and
00:27:09.520 love likely is an instinct that signifies that as a possibility right lovely thing to think too you
00:27:16.300 know i'm very pleased at the moment in some ways as a scientist thinking about religious matters
00:27:23.460 because i can see a great convergence taking place between the findings of the evolutionary
00:27:29.340 biologists and psychologists even even the ones that are let's say interested in evolutionary
00:27:36.760 biology i can see a convergence between all that and the deepest of religious notions so that the
00:27:43.640 that there's a concordance between the calling of what you might describe as the deepest possible
00:27:50.900 instincts and the invitation of the divine that those things are united they are not
00:27:59.220 united in the human breast that the material world stretches upward to the domain of heaven like a
00:28:05.600 tree stretches upwards and and displays its its sleeves to the sun and the heaven reaches down
00:28:13.220 to the material world and invites it upward and there's a joining in the middle and that's
00:28:17.780 probably human beings and so you can think about these things biologically or you can think about
00:28:23.680 them religiously and i don't think it makes a bit of difference and i've talked to a lot of very
00:28:28.140 advanced psychobiologists who have come to the same conclusion um and so that's a very interesting
00:28:36.160 thing to see but with regard to love let's say well obviously you can think about that as a
00:28:41.060 the instinct that bonds us together right in our pair bonds that can last for decades that's sort
00:28:47.440 of the human pattern of reproductive that's the human reproductive strategy that long-term high
00:28:56.100 investment mating strategy that can even span generations and that's initiated by love and
00:29:04.900 what that implies is that love is the instinct that marks the pathway forward to let's say the
00:29:12.300 optimal challenge that matures and ennobles that also sets the stage for the commitment
00:29:22.700 the long-term commitment that's the right foundation for children and that also
00:29:28.620 motivates the pattern of parenting and mutual commitment to to the marital partners that
00:29:36.860 maximally encourages the development and maturation of children right and what that
00:29:43.960 indicates to some degree is that love itself is the instinct that marks that pathway and you could
00:29:50.500 think about that as well as divine a form of divine grace i'll give you an example of that
00:29:58.080 like an example of that and what would you say a parallel to that from the old testament texts
00:30:06.360 this is so cool this is something it's so fun to walk through these ancient stories i've spent a
00:30:12.800 lot of time studying biblical stories and other accounts from from the religions of the world i'm
00:30:20.800 i'm not an expert in comparative religion but i've done a fair bit of reading and a fair bit of
00:30:25.680 investigating and now and then i crack a story and it just changes my life you know you hit one of
00:30:31.560 these ancient stories and you get to the core of it it's just it just transforms you when you
00:30:36.400 understand what it means uh which is why the stories are religious right because religious
00:30:41.300 stories are deep and deep stories transform us as we act them out and and as we understand them
00:30:48.500 so there's this this there's a there's a an account of instinct in the story of Abraham that's a way
00:30:56.020 to think about it we're going to think about it in the way that people with their feet on the ground
00:30:59.740 would think about it right without any high flying forays into naive superstition so to speak
00:31:10.480 we're going to keep our feet on the ground i want to tell you about what happens to abraham
00:31:14.980 at the at the beginning of his sojourn into the world so abraham is a privileged person
00:31:25.160 when we first encounter him i mean that in the modern sense you know you and your unearned
00:31:30.780 privilege we all have that well we all have that to some degree right and you can think about that
00:31:37.280 in your country which is tearing itself apart now with guilt because of this of course you have
00:31:43.080 unearned privilege i mean you didn't build the bloody highways well some of you might have that
00:31:46.660 that brought you to the roads and the highways that brought you to this theater you didn't build
00:31:50.180 the theater you're not working on the power grid right now keeping the lights on but they're on and
00:31:55.580 you know you were privileged to have been born perhaps or otherwise to be citizens of this
00:32:02.680 country which happens to be a free productive generous and hospitable country and so isn't
00:32:08.720 that fortunate for you and of course it is and is it fair it's like
00:32:13.440 no well there is a group of psych philosophers following the philosopher heidegger a german
00:32:23.180 philosopher talked about this concept of thrownness t-h-r-o-w-n to be thrown into something
00:32:31.740 that that there's a there's an aspect of the world that has this characteristic of
00:32:37.280 thrownness that you're just tossed into the world in this random way you know or that's how it
00:32:42.600 appears to us you happen to luck out on the geographical locale side and so you know you
00:32:49.120 have the privilege of being americans and there's a lot worse places you could have landed geographically
00:32:55.100 and historically and so you know how is that fair and the answer is well it's it's no more fair or
00:33:04.220 less fair than being young instead of old let's say or being attractive instead of unattractive
00:33:09.860 or being healthy instead of ill you know or being educated and not educated or intelligent and
00:33:15.540 and less than intelligent there's all sorts of arbitrary aspects of life and they are awarded
00:33:23.020 in a somewhat apparently random manner talents and temptations right distributed unequally
00:33:33.780 what are you supposed to do about that it's like well you take responsibility for what you've been
00:33:39.720 given and try to make something of it and that's how you pay the cosmos for your privilege right
00:33:45.620 and that's a good thing to know instead of being guilty about it right you're supposed to let your
00:33:50.580 light shine and not hide it under a bushel and you're supposed to take your talents and multiply
00:33:54.880 them and if you happen to be intelligent which which in many ways is a biologically determined
00:34:01.320 phenomena let's say or a gift from god you're not supposed to become luciferian in your
00:34:06.500 intellectual presumptions and you're supposed to humbly serve your intelligence uh humbly let
00:34:13.000 the intelligence you've been granted serve the what would you say the higher order and the
00:34:20.920 communal right and so that's how you pay for your privilege in any case abraham has privilege he's
00:34:27.020 rich his parents are rich he didn't do anything to deserve that and he doesn't really have to do
00:34:32.080 anything and he doesn't for like 70 for seven decades he's slow to launch right seriously
00:34:44.500 and why well you might ask look if you have everything given to you why do anything you
00:34:52.100 know if you're in the position of permanently satiated infant and everyone there's people
00:35:00.260 hired to attend to your every need, because we all know we'd be perfectly happy if all of our
00:35:07.020 needs were satisfied, or at least that's the materialist theory. If you have all that at hand,
00:35:13.040 why not just lay there like an overgrown infant and enjoy it? And that's actually a serious
00:35:19.360 question, right? I mean, there are political offerings of that type. The offerings of the
00:35:24.220 statist utopians are always something like, wouldn't it be lovely if you were nothing but
00:35:29.660 an overgrown infant and everything was given to you right from the time you were born till the
00:35:34.680 time you died you'd have nothing at all to worry about and of course nothing at all to do which
00:35:42.680 turns out to be the fly in the ointment let's say or the serpent in the garden and this is actually
00:35:48.660 what Abraham realizes it's like what's this life this is life is just the satiation of my infantile
00:35:56.620 needs at the hands of other people is that what i'm built for and god comes to abraham as instinct
00:36:03.920 or voice from above and says it's really time for you to get the hell out of your zone of comfort
00:36:10.820 and to make your way in the world and that's a patriarchal voice it's a fatherly voice
00:36:16.680 why well because it's actually an encouraging voice right i mean you you see this in your
00:36:22.420 interactions with your children or if you were fortunate to have enough to have good parents or
00:36:27.000 good mentors because they said to you constantly you know just don't be sitting around there being
00:36:32.140 all satisfied with whatever you know fate has provided for you or what you're lucky enough to
00:36:38.720 enjoy it's like get out on the edge a bit dance there and make something of yourself push yourself
00:36:44.580 develop a good parent and this is the paternal aspect of parenting in particular a good parent
00:36:51.440 wants not a child who's protected and wrapped in styrofoam or bubble wrap
00:36:57.040 so they're never damaged by life,
00:36:58.840 but someone who's capable of enough to journey outside the confines of the domestic world
00:37:06.360 and to make their way successfully, right?
00:37:08.960 And that means that a good father raises his children
00:37:13.660 not so much to be terrified of and avoid serpents, but to handle them, right?
00:37:19.040 and that's a higher order good than mere protection and that's what right that's something
00:37:25.400 to know you know this is why by the way that abraham is eventually called upon to offer his son
00:37:32.120 to god and this is a brutal episode in the old testament and one that's often pointed to by
00:37:38.780 people say like richard dawkins or other atheists who are angry at god as indications that the
00:37:45.540 jehovah of the old testament is nothing but an absolutely bloodthirsty tyrant it's like well who 0.99
00:37:50.880 else would call upon his devout follower to sacrifice his own son to god the answer is well 1.00
00:37:57.340 that's what parents do all the time if they're genuine parents because you i saw the paeda this
00:38:05.200 great sculpture of michelangelo's in saint peter's cathedral in rome and it's a representation of mary
00:38:12.040 beautiful representation of the mother of jesus and she is holding the broken body of her
00:38:19.140 son post-crucifixion in her arms and looking suitably distraught but also accepting in a kind
00:38:29.900 in a what would you say in a beatific way and it's very interesting that it's placed in saint
00:38:36.520 peter's which is the central cathedral of catholicism let's say and arguably of christianity
00:38:42.200 itself and it's what would you say it's a representation that runs parallel to the
00:38:48.920 crucifixion itself because it isn't obvious who suffers more in the gospel accounts christ or his
00:38:55.760 mother who observes his death and we all know that in our own lives that there are terrible things
00:39:01.640 that befall us as individuals but perhaps nothing more terrible than the decimation of one of our
00:39:07.520 own children right that's a very intense form of suffering and yet mary is presented as the woman
00:39:13.480 who offers her child up to be broken by the world right and that's an offering that's an offering
00:39:20.580 to god and what happens in the story of abraham when when god calls upon abraham to sacrifice
00:39:27.120 the long promised isaac is that there's a substitutionary sacrifice arranged and abraham
00:39:33.340 actually gets his son back and what that means is that if you let your children go
00:39:37.720 they will return to you right if you encourage them to develop and leave then you'll have them
00:39:44.380 if you give them up then you then you maintain them and that's a hell of a thing to understand
00:39:50.300 and the what would you say the impetus of that story is the realization that everything that
00:39:57.360 you offer up will be returned to you with interest right and that's a remarkable thing
00:40:03.640 to understand and that's true even in the situations that require the most extreme sacrifices
00:40:10.500 right and so certainly the sacrifice you make as a parent is exactly that because
00:40:15.380 the Freudians do this the Freudian line this was the antithesis of the Oedipal devouring mother
00:40:22.180 the good mother necessarily fails well why well because she stops offering her child everything 0.85
00:40:28.720 and starts requiring them to forage for themselves right and that's a painful process in some ways
00:40:36.560 that separation of mother from in the infant to whom she delivers everything the transformation
00:40:43.460 of that infant into increasingly into a self what would you say into the kind of maturing
00:40:51.960 creature that can be productive in themselves and establish joint productive relationships
00:40:59.140 with others that's a sacrificial offering that's the work of a mother and
00:41:03.580 that's the voice of the that's the eternal voice of encouragement that's the eternal voice of the
00:41:12.580 father who encourages and that's the voice that comes to abraham and says to him leave what's
00:41:18.420 comfortable and make your way in the world now you see this is a good place to reflect on what
00:41:25.680 belief constitutes or even faith it's like you might say well what is the proper attitude to
00:41:32.420 that voice do you have faith in it well the problem is is you've got faith both ways you
00:41:38.160 either have faith in the voice that calls you to adventure or you have faith in your infantile
00:41:42.340 security there's no non-faith choice in this situation right and abraham hearkens to the
00:41:50.040 voice of adventure even late this is also a very optimistic story it's like takes them a long time
00:41:56.340 to get going and i had clients in my practice for example who you know were maybe in their early
00:42:01.840 40s and really they hadn't got much happening and they were starting to despair because
00:42:06.620 you're sort of young at 40 but you're also sort of old and which of those has the upper hand is
00:42:13.140 not exactly obvious and you might think having wasted 20 years let's say or 30 or even 40 that
00:42:19.940 it's a little late to get anything going but you know better late than never and i'm dead serious
00:42:25.860 about that like if you put your nose to the grindstone and your shoulder to the wheel and
00:42:30.720 you determine to aim upward and you make the proper sacrifices you can have the same
00:42:37.900 consequence that befell abraham and you can embark however late on the adventure of your life and
00:42:46.480 this is something to know at every age you know i watch people to transition into their 50s mid
00:42:53.060 50s let's say when people are starting to retire it's like you make a choice when you're 55 it's
00:42:58.720 like is there more to you just gonna die and that's sort of the retirement question you know
00:43:04.760 i'm gonna pull back from life and just what slurp my ties on the beach in in in in uh you know in 0.86
00:43:12.600 the south pacific um with all the other fat um pasty sunburned drunks uh uh what would you say
00:43:22.420 a plan that works for about three days and that's that it's like it's not a good vision and so you 0.94
00:43:28.000 need to know that no matter what your age as long as there's breath in you there's room for another
00:43:36.620 adventure and it's time to leave your zone of comfort and that's the way you don't just stop
00:43:42.340 and die seriously so so abraham decides to have faith in well in what well in in the story it's
00:43:55.520 the voice of god well that's interesting it's like what is that voice well i said you could
00:44:00.920 think about it as the instinct to develop right that's a funny way of thinking about god as a
00:44:05.600 deep instinct but that doesn't bother me i think everything unites in the final analysis and
00:44:10.880 what makes itself manifest within us at the deepest level of biological reality is
00:44:17.600 indistinguishable from the highest calling and of course that has to be the case of everything is
00:44:23.600 actually a manifestation of an underlying unity and and in any case that's how god is characterized
00:44:30.360 in the story of abraham you understand that's the definition of god it's such an because modern
00:44:36.400 people of course especially the ones who are it doesn't matter religious or faithless it doesn't
00:44:41.500 matter they're always looking for evidence of god it's like well what's your evidence that you know
00:44:47.920 anything about evidence right i mean you have to examine your initial presuppositions it's like
00:44:53.880 how do you think what makes you think you're wise enough to actually identify where god makes his
00:44:59.400 miracles evident do you ever think about god as the as the impulse to love for example is like
00:45:06.240 god could be making himself manifest before you in multiple ways without you ever noticing you
00:45:13.120 all think well if there was just one miracle or two or three or five in front of me i'd be i'd be
00:45:19.440 a believer in no time flat it didn't work for the disciples by the way it didn't work for peter
00:45:23.940 because he denied christ despite having been with him for like three years and seeing what was going
00:45:29.900 on is don't be thinking that you're wise enough so a mere demonstration of the divine's willingness
00:45:36.840 to suspend the rules of the cosmic order just to convince you would actually do the trick in the 0.50
00:45:45.020 face of all the miracles that are continually unfolding around you that you're too bloody blind
00:45:49.740 to see in the first case and this notion in the story of Abraham that God is the call to adventure
00:45:57.700 is a great example of that because it's such a brilliant idea right and what what you do see
00:46:03.960 this dynamism in the old testament is often a dynamism between god as conscious as calling
00:46:11.460 that which invites you forward to let's say the adventure of your life and god as conscience
00:46:17.160 right those are the twin pillars you might say of god that lead the israelites when they're lost
00:46:23.680 across the desert it's like your conscience upgrades you and keeps you on the straight
00:46:28.020 narrow path and the calling of your life invites you forward to climb jacob's ladder into the ever
00:46:36.040 receding heaven heavens right that constitute your upward aim that's god that dynamism it's like is
00:46:44.260 that real try ignoring it i'm dead serious ignore your calling you're hopeless and ignore your 0.95
00:46:53.080 conscience you're a psychopath it's seriously it is not a good thing and so is that real well it's 0.98
00:47:00.160 as real as hopelessness and psychopathy it's as real as despair and and what would you say 0.99
00:47:06.300 the furthest reaches of criminal hell that's real is that real enough is that evidence enough
00:47:13.960 well here's a positive form of evidence this is so cool i only figured this out in about the last
00:47:20.280 three months analyzing this abrahamic story so you see in the biblical library because it is a
00:47:27.740 library what you see are the same thing that you see in a movie when you go watch the hero develop
00:47:33.260 in a movie you see the main character good or bad doesn't matter because it points in the moral
00:47:40.180 direction either way you see the main character pursuing his aims you see him characterized in a
00:47:45.860 variety of different situations you come to understand his character and you establish
00:47:51.180 a relationship with it that's the that's the literary experience and that's exactly what
00:47:56.320 unfolds in the biblical stories is you have multiple characterizations of god it's like
00:48:03.220 the ignorant we ignorant people are getting a glimpse of something complex and multifaceted
00:48:11.840 from multiple perspectives and trying to assemble all that into a singular vision that's the 0.98
00:48:17.420 monotheistic vision to understand what it is that sits in the that sits properly in the highest
00:48:23.040 place and you might say well nothing sits in the highest place and then i would say well why do you
00:48:27.760 bother with anything then if there's no up if there isn't anything calling you forward if you
00:48:33.580 don't believe in anything past where you are well then you're back in the same situation of infantile
00:48:40.840 satiation is well there's nothing for you to do and so insofar as you do have an upward aim at all
00:48:46.500 you're aiming up and unless you think that you're capable of apprehending the ultimate in upward
00:48:54.160 aims that up that compels you is just a fragment of what would you say that which calls you
00:49:02.580 forward into the heavens themselves and that's real as that's as real as motivation
00:49:07.580 right and motivation is plenty real because without that you do nothing and so the reason
00:49:14.420 to do something that's almost like the definition of what's real right a reason to do something
00:49:20.060 that's real it's real enough to make you do something it's like i don't know you want a
00:49:25.740 better definition of real death maybe is better but you know what a reason to do something is
00:49:33.360 one of the tools you have in your fight against the fear of death and so even in that situation
00:49:37.600 it's plenty real so god calls god is defined as the voice of that which calls human beings
00:49:46.640 upward and that's a hell of a definition right and it is what you encourage in your children
00:49:52.320 there's no doubt about that if you love them absolutely it's what you encourage in people
00:49:56.420 around you that you love whether they're friends or family when you're mentoring when you're happy
00:50:01.440 for their accomplishments right when you when you have sorrow for their this they're stumbling off
00:50:08.540 the path all of that's a manifestation of your faith your belief and exactly that and god is
00:50:15.200 further characterized in the abrahamic story as the maker of a covenant right some someone or
00:50:22.360 something with which you have a relationship and that's there's an insistence of on that
00:50:28.240 in the biblical text that's continual to have a relationship what does that mean exactly
00:50:34.460 the relationship is a covenant that's how it's defined and what's a covenant a covenant is like
00:50:45.480 a contract okay let's let's ask a question do you believe that you have a contract with the divine
00:50:51.560 a covenant with the divine with the ideas of relationship that are attendant upon that
00:50:57.580 here's a way of thinking about it
00:51:00.580 Cain and Abel
00:51:05.820 who are the first two people
00:51:07.980 real people in the profane
00:51:10.480 world Adam and Eve being 0.93
00:51:12.400 made by God Cain and Abel being born 0.75
00:51:14.440 in the normal manner when history begins
00:51:16.500 they're emblematic of two different
00:51:18.480 patterns of existence Cain
00:51:20.660 makes improper and second
00:51:22.520 rate sacrifices and Abel
00:51:24.540 offers his best and is therefore
00:51:26.500 or met with respect by God.
00:51:38.300 What does it mean to make the proper sacrifices,
00:51:40.920 and why is that associated with relationship,
00:51:43.600 or covenant, let's say, or contract?
00:51:46.240 Okay.
00:51:52.400 To explain this, I'm going to offer you another key to the biblical text.
00:51:56.500 Okay, so one of the tools that you need to know to understand the essence of the biblical text is that work and sacrifice are the same thing.
00:52:11.320 Okay, because it's very difficult for modern people to actually understand what our ancestors were on about when they talked about the necessity of sacrifice, the building of an altar, the offering of what's best.
00:52:21.660 it was an acting out of the notion of something like the essence of work what's the essence of
00:52:28.240 work bring your best to the table right but but in this but in a particular way what does it mean
00:52:34.240 to work it means to sacrifice the present for the future right and i want you to consider that very
00:52:43.160 very carefully that's what it means if you're working you're not doing what it is that your
00:52:48.800 whims would have you do right this moment right or even even the spirit of play within you you're
00:52:56.320 not doing what you want you're doing what you have to do have to do for what well you're making a
00:53:06.720 bargain well what's the bargain work now benefit your family and your community and stabilize the
00:53:15.240 future right that's off that's this is the human motive of existence work and sacrifice this is
00:53:22.200 unique to human beings this is what we do is we extend our consciousness across the entire span 0.78
00:53:28.020 of time at least for the duration of our lives and we say don't do something stupid today that's
00:53:33.460 going to screw up next week right or next year or next month invest now so that there's a future
00:53:39.100 return well that's a contractual relationship right there's an offer there which is if you
00:53:44.680 tread the mature path and make the offerings that are of the highest quality then then what
00:53:50.920 you're guaranteed a pathway forward in the manner that benefits the community and stabilizes the
00:53:58.380 future is that a bargain is that a covenant is that an agreement well what do you think you're
00:54:04.380 doing when you're saving or you're investing right that's a contractual relationship there's a
00:54:09.920 relationship there's a relational element built into our mode of adaptation and you could say
00:54:15.100 well you're really only drawing a contract with your future self and the broader community
00:54:23.840 storing the value that you've created in the social world in the form of money let's say or
00:54:29.920 actual investment the relationship is actually with other people or your future self but you
00:54:35.320 know that to me that just muddies the water because you and your future self are a reflection
00:54:44.240 of the fundamental order of existence and so is the harmony that a community that will deliver
00:54:51.920 on its promise and so the notion that the relationship is only social ignores the fact
00:54:59.620 that the society that functions in a manner
00:55:03.720 that enables it to sustain that contractual obligation, right?
00:55:09.380 Your investment in the future.
00:55:10.500 That has to reflect an underlying fundamental order or it'll collapse.
00:55:14.780 And so it's relation with the spirit of the cosmic order,
00:55:18.480 no matter what bloody way you slice it, as far as I can tell.
00:55:21.560 And it's as real as your belief in work.
00:55:24.400 so abraham establishes a covenantal relationship with with the upward aim okay so how's that
00:55:33.780 signified this is something you can understand in your own life too you know bloody well that the
00:55:38.440 moments of true transformation in your life come when you consciously determine to aim up
00:55:47.720 or down you know let's go for down first i don't know you're gripped by the spirit of bitter
00:55:53.080 resentment and you decide in consequence to wreak vengeance and to wreak havoc and take vengeance
00:55:59.280 and act out your darkest desires knowing full well that you've committed to following a very dark
00:56:06.840 spirit at that moment you can do that but you can take the alternative route too and this is more
00:56:11.520 the upward path the pathway towards maturation and i would say proper adventure you could decide 0.99
00:56:17.120 enough stupidity. I'm going to try to be better. What does that mean? Well, it means that insofar 0.99
00:56:25.000 as you're capable, with your obscured vision, you're going to aim up. Now, is your upward aim
00:56:30.660 unerring and accurate? No. Why? Well, because what the hell do you know? Plus, think of all the
00:56:36.440 mistakes you've made. So you're blind and foolish in your initial forays upward, but that doesn't 0.99
00:56:42.900 mean that the determination is false or that it will steer you wrong and you see this repeatedly 0.93
00:56:48.780 in the old testament accounts because the heroes in the old testament are very flawed so jacob
00:56:55.080 for example he's a complete he's a terrible young man he he does nothing but conspire with his
00:57:02.220 enabling mother to trick and deceive his older brother out of what's rightfully his that's
00:57:08.500 jacob but abraham as we already said it's like he's 70 before he gets up enough courage to step
00:57:14.140 outside the tent and then the first second thing he does is lie to the egyptian authorities about 0.95
00:57:20.860 who his wife is it's not exactly covering himself in glory um why well we're all fools when we start
00:57:30.500 but that doesn't mean that the upward aim is false it just means that we improve as we develop and
00:57:37.740 as we make the proper sacrifices what does that mean well when you're no longer a child you put
00:57:43.780 away childish things it means and you know this as your opportunities expand you're called upon
00:57:49.380 to leave the idiocies of your past behind and to become to become what who you could be to become
00:57:56.320 more truly who you are what to align yourself with the voice of adventure in the cosmic order
00:58:01.840 itself right and to engage in this never-ending series of progressious progressive transformations
00:58:08.880 that help you strip all the dead wood away from you and that constitute the never-ending series
00:58:18.160 of mountains and valleys that you climb on your way to the top of mount sinai let's say to the
00:58:23.880 ultimate pinnacle right that's that's the adventure that abraham is invited to embark upon and it
00:58:33.920 doesn't really matter where he starts and that harkens back to the notion well he's 70 when he
00:58:39.100 starts and you're going to be flawed when you if you decide to aim up but you know people do this
00:58:45.260 in their life they they take stock at some point or maybe sequentially and think well there's a lot
00:58:50.760 of foolish things i'm still doing that i could stop there's there's some upward aim that i could
00:58:56.060 manage you know even in my blindness i can see that this is better than this and i could pursue
00:59:01.140 what's better you don't have to but you could and you could see that and your your ability to see
00:59:07.920 that's your offering to the divine that's your invitation to the spirit of adventure to guide you
00:59:13.040 forward more thoroughly and that's an accelerating path too you know christ says something brilliant
00:59:19.660 surprisingly enough in the gospel of matthew no to those who have much more will be given what does
00:59:25.980 that mean it means that once you start improving it's an exponentially increasing process and so
00:59:31.800 you can start in a pretty bloody lowly place like christ himself does in the manger or moses for
00:59:37.320 example when he's threatened at birth by the pharaoh you could start in a very precarious
00:59:42.580 and lowly place and that's no necessary impediment to your progress forward and that's a hell of an
00:59:48.320 optimistic thing to understand that there might be enough possibility at hand for you no matter
00:59:54.540 what your apparent situation so that the potential for continual upward transformation is at your
01:00:01.240 fingertips if you knock you know and let the door open if you if you ask and enable yourself to
01:00:08.480 receive that's a real possibility and it's it's the realest of possibilities i believe is why
01:00:15.080 you're not to construe yourself as a helpless victim it's like you don't know it but everything
01:00:20.080 you need is right in front of you if you would only approach it with the proper aim in mind and
01:00:25.420 that would be the aim that's the ultimate upward aim so this is what god tells abraham it's so cool
01:00:33.380 you can imagine this again as a hard-headed biologist so imagine that there's an instinct
01:00:38.440 within children to mature you don't really have to imagine that's like they're curious they're
01:00:44.520 exploratory you know that more extroverted kids even when they're three my son was quite
01:00:49.740 extroverted fearless when he was young we'd take him to the playground and putting him on the
01:00:55.000 ground at the playground was like holding a puppy above a puddle you know puppy will start paddling
01:00:59.800 before it even hits the water that was julian his feet would be moving before he hit the ground and
01:01:04.780 we'd put him down and just be gone out there into the playground to investigate and to make friends
01:01:10.840 you know and often to get him to leave we'd have to walk like a quarter of a mile away
01:01:16.460 so that the threat of being left behind was sufficient to disengage him from the
01:01:22.480 interesting exploration at hand and that's all part of the manifestation of that impulse to grow
01:01:30.260 right and what is that the impulse to follow what compels you forward to pursue your interests
01:01:35.420 to abide by the dictates of your conscience it's all something like that and then imagine that
01:01:40.540 that is the instinct again to speak biologically that motivates you to stay on the at the edge of
01:01:49.780 what you understand so that you can continue to develop in the manner that what would fit you
01:01:59.660 most properly if you were all in on the bet right could be right now so why would we assume
01:02:07.240 anything other than that the instinct that impels you to develop is also the instinct that would
01:02:13.640 guide you in your attempts to wrestle with fate and god itself himself to take your proper place
01:02:20.580 in the world you'd have to propose a mismatch between your psychobiology or your soul and the
01:02:27.000 environment itself for that not to be true right and so what does god offer abraham it's the best
01:02:33.260 of all possible covenants the best of all possible deals and it speaks of an alignment between the
01:02:39.780 divine order or the most fundamental instinct and well and everything and and the and the and the
01:02:47.740 integrity of the individual psyche the stability and productivity of the community and the harmony
01:02:53.480 of the natural world all that what is god offer abraham he says if you take the risk if you step
01:03:01.040 out of your zone of comfort if you move into the terrible world away from the comforts of your
01:03:08.180 infantile security then you'll be a blessing to yourself well that's a good deal you know are you
01:03:17.060 a blessing to yourself it's a rare person who can say that you know most most of us narcissists
01:03:23.320 accepted are harder on ourselves emotionally and in judgment than we are on other people
01:03:28.740 right are than we are with regard to other people there are people who judge others more harshly
01:03:34.840 than themselves but they're not the standard person the standard person firmly aware of their
01:03:40.080 insufficiencies and false has a very difficult time being a blessing to themselves right that's
01:03:46.740 a hard thing to pull off and i don't mean to be self-satisfied and self-aggrandizing i mean to
01:03:52.040 what would you say to sleep the sound sleep of the man or woman whose conscience is at rest
01:04:00.320 right and who are fulfilling their moral obligations to their future selves and and to
01:04:06.680 the community that's to be a blessing to yourself that's a good deal if you could pull it off and
01:04:11.380 god's offer to abraham is if he follows the call to adventure with without reservation and makes
01:04:21.080 the proper sacrifices along the way then that's the mode of existence that will come to characterize
01:04:28.860 his being right and you know there's some evidence for this as people mature as they become older
01:04:37.280 they become more emotionally stable so less neurotic less prone to pain and anxiety they
01:04:42.760 become more compassionate and empathic or at least broader in their ability to do that
01:04:47.540 and they become more conscientious more reliable and dutiful there is an expansion of character that
01:04:53.380 is a measurable part of maturation and um i certainly noticed on my sporadic trips home
01:05:01.740 to my hometown when i encounter people that i knew in high school you know when i encountered
01:05:07.200 them five years later 10 years later 20 or 30 or now 40 years later 45 years later they're much
01:05:15.400 better than they were in high school many of them were completely insufferable as i was no doubt in
01:05:20.780 high school and as adults they're they've had some sense beaten into them let's say and so they're
01:05:27.900 they're they're more who they should be you know it doesn't happen to everyone but it's the standard
01:05:35.800 course of human development certainly what you hope for yourself and for the people that you love
01:05:40.360 it's what you want to foster in your marriage and within the confines of your family and that's real
01:05:46.400 you want people who are around you that are reliable and trustworthy and maybe you want to
01:05:50.920 be one of those people yourself and that would be part of being a blessing to yourself and
01:05:55.700 what God tells Abraham is that that's the same as following the spirit of adventure
01:05:59.840 God that's such a great deal right if if your wildest dream let's say a true dream let's say
01:06:07.160 though one that would be made by someone who was sensible with their eyes open and reliable
01:06:11.880 if you could follow your heart's content let's say in the highest sense that that would actually
01:06:19.100 produce for you the mode of being that would make you a blessing to yourself god that's a great deal
01:06:25.040 right you could have your cake and eat it too in a situation like that and why would it be otherwise
01:06:30.980 And that isn't the offer, that's only a bit of the offer, because God tells Abraham, if you follow the pathway of adventure, then the adventure that calls to you in the deepest sense, then your name will, your reputation will validly grow.
01:06:49.760 well that's a good deal you know you store value in your reputation socially right it's the most
01:06:58.520 reliable place to put your investment is to act in a manner that makes all the people who know
01:07:06.520 you regard you as trustworthy and reliable and honest and and and fair dealing and they're in
01:07:14.420 a crisis not least because if you are that person and you are in a crisis the people that you've
01:07:21.440 acted properly towards are going to be thrilled to have the opportunity to reciprocate right and
01:07:26.560 that's the basis of community you put some work into aiding others maybe even your enemies if you
01:07:33.300 could even manage that you put some work into sacrificing yourself and your whims in a manner
01:07:41.160 that's of aid to the community and then you build around you this storehouse of reputation that
01:07:47.020 is the most reliable form of wealth and security imaginable right and so that's the next offering
01:07:54.280 to abraham follow the pathway of adventure become a blessing to yourself in a manner that will
01:07:59.760 establish your relationship far and wide and validly not narcissistically not in a way that
01:08:07.020 makes you aggrandize yourself or advertise yourself but in that reputational manner that
01:08:13.660 makes everyone in a small town know exactly which carpenter to call let's say if they actually want
01:08:20.020 the job done right which is that's the brand you might say brand value that's the central core
01:08:28.100 treasure of any genuine enterprise right so that's the next thing that's on offer so that's
01:08:35.720 a good deal you get to have your adventure you get to be a blessing to yourself and your reputation
01:08:40.660 grows and validly hey and that's great because part of our orientation towards community is our
01:08:48.460 hope that we'll be celebrated validly by the people around us and that can go astray like all
01:08:57.400 motivations and potential gifts but there's nothing wrong with
01:09:02.660 what would you say
01:09:05.820 enjoying the reciprocal benefits
01:09:10.640 that come as a consequence
01:09:12.580 of your selfless commitment to
01:09:14.600 your wife to your family
01:09:16.780 to your friends to your business
01:09:18.500 and to your community
01:09:19.520 that's a good deal for everyone
01:09:21.340 and that's the next thing that's on offer
01:09:23.520 God says to Abraham
01:09:28.700 you'll be a blessing to yourself
01:09:31.500 in your adventurous way and you'll establish your reputation but you'll do it in a way that's also
01:09:38.100 a benefit to everyone else it's a non-zero-sum attitude right it's it's an anti-envy attitude
01:09:45.080 and the attitude is something like a new people in the united states you've mastered this more
01:09:49.180 than any people ever anywhere this relative absence of envy this admiration for success
01:09:57.020 that really does deeply characterize your country except in its most vile excesses let's say
01:10:03.560 i've never been anywhere in the world and i've been plenty of places where
01:10:07.700 the the dream the american dream is still part and parcel of the culture and still truly
01:10:17.680 something that all those who are not corrupted still dare to dream and make no mistake about
01:10:26.320 it the reason that you're have life more abundant in the united states the reason that you're a
01:10:32.420 destination place for the impoverished of the world is because of the reality of that dream
01:10:40.880 right and that is the dream that you could have what you want and maybe even beyond your wildest
01:10:47.740 dreams and if you did that properly all that would happen is you'd increase the resources that were
01:10:52.860 available to everyone else and if you don't believe that's possible well then you're likely
01:10:57.360 a resentful and bitter cynic who's trying to justify their own pathological failure in consequence of
01:11:04.600 their refusal to offer what's best and their rejection by god right not a wonderful pathway
01:11:11.060 to walk down and one that if gets the upper hand impoverishes absolutely everyone right and
01:11:22.860 That's happened many times in the 20th century when the resentful mob gets the upper hand and then everyone's equal.
01:11:29.520 They're all equally miserable and starving, right? 0.59
01:11:31.800 They're all equally in the cauldrons of the devils in hell, right? 0.59
01:11:35.700 There's a very, what would you say, relevant equality there, right?
01:11:41.320 The equality of the descendants of Cain, right?
01:11:45.600 So that's not the last of the offerings to Abraham either.
01:11:50.200 god says well if you follow the pathway of adventure you'll be a blessing to yourself
01:11:55.960 you'll establish a valid reputation right that's the treasure in heaven that moths can't eat and
01:12:01.400 rust can't devour by the way right that's where you put your heart so that your treasure accumulates
01:12:10.580 in heaven so to speak by undertaking the appropriate ethical actions and that's the
01:12:16.300 truth there's no doubt about it it's a very wise truth you'll be a blessing to yourself your
01:12:22.040 reputation will grow you'll be a blessing to others but then there's a final offer which is so
01:12:27.320 phenomenal you know i've been contemplating richard dawkins selfish gene hypothesis you
01:12:34.600 know that we're driven to reproduce we're driven by the mindless impulse of our genetic code to do
01:12:42.340 nothing but have sex and reproduce it's like wait a second there buddy there's a lot more to human
01:12:48.660 reproduction than sex mosquitoes have sex and that's pretty much it millions of eggs just like
01:12:55.220 fish or puffballs right no investment whatsoever millions of offspring all of them die except one
01:13:01.180 or two right zero investment high mortality rate that's one reproductive strategy that's not the 0.99
01:13:07.700 human strategy the human strategy is pair bonding sacrificial pair bonding few offspring and
01:13:14.800 radically high investment right so that's reproduction not the simple act of sex it's
01:13:20.740 this pattern this ethos of long-term multi-generational sacrificial care that also typifies
01:13:29.320 let's say the man who embarks on the pathway of adventure properly and properly matures
01:13:35.380 right so what is going on for Abraham the opportunity to be the father of a dynasty
01:13:40.780 right to have the descendants who are innumerable so at least the possibility of establishing
01:13:46.560 something lasting and permanent but a particular kind of lasting and permanent which would be
01:13:51.340 something like well some of you have had the privilege of having a wonderful father and maybe
01:13:57.600 you had friends who weren't similarly blessed and you could see what a gift it was to have
01:14:03.220 a father who encouraged and cared and provided that for you as a model so that you could be that
01:14:10.760 and maybe improve upon it to some degree for your son so that he could be that for his son and so on
01:14:16.700 for how long how about forever if the pattern was established properly and that would be the
01:14:23.080 pattern that according to the covenant with the god of abraham is the logical consequence of faith
01:14:30.440 in the calling to adventure and so that is one hell of a good deal and i do think thinking about
01:14:37.640 it in as hard-nosed a manner as possible that that has to be the case because as i said the
01:14:44.060 alternative is that we're somehow mismatched in our fundamental orientation with the structure
01:14:50.180 of ourselves and our marriages our families our communities society itself and the natural world
01:14:56.820 it's like no maybe we're in our deepest essence part of what would you say we could be part of
01:15:04.500 the process of unfolding personally that brought harmony to everything so that everything was lined
01:15:10.040 up along the proper stabilizing axis that reaches from earth to heaven so that we could
01:15:17.920 allow ourselves to journey out beyond our zone of comfort into the world and to
01:15:24.140 make the sacrifices attendant on our continued uphill adventures moving ever closer to
01:15:31.600 what would you say the perfection that beckons behind all those opportunities to call us forward
01:15:37.800 right that we could do that and do it in the manner that makes our lives everything we'd
01:15:44.980 hope they would be because that's something to think about maybe death would lose its sting if
01:15:49.860 you lived your life completely that's a possibility if you exhausted yourself entirely in your upward
01:15:57.320 aiming transformations right maybe you would have everything beyond that infantile satiation
01:16:06.320 you'd have everything that you could need and want and wish for you could have the adventure
01:16:12.080 of your life and maybe that would redeem you and maybe it would redeem the people around you
01:16:16.440 in the broadest possible sense i mean that's the fundamental calling that's the hypothesis that
01:16:23.000 sits at the basis of your culture right your functional culture what's the presumption of
01:16:27.840 your functional culture you're all made in the image of god and even the state itself has to
01:16:33.280 stop its what would you say even the state itself has to limit itself in relationship to what you
01:16:41.280 have to offer because without your capacity to sojourn forward and upward the state itself
01:16:48.680 would degenerate into a tyranny and grind to a halt right and you all know that right
01:16:55.640 that's part of the essence of the american dream and you can see what the consequences of that are
01:17:02.460 when it's working the consequences are a rising tide the rising tide that raises all ships right
01:17:09.100 and insofar as that's worked and you've brought the benefits you and the rest of the west let's
01:17:15.320 say have brought the benefits of the free trade that's often pilloried as capitalism to the rest
01:17:21.500 of the world we've seen an unparalleled improvement in living standard in the last
01:17:27.500 since the berlin wall fell in a manner that's absolutely miraculous and that's another
01:17:33.140 indication of the power of the ethos upon which the productive community is actually properly
01:17:38.760 established and the story of Abraham indicates that that ethos is a consequence of following
01:17:44.520 the call of adventure and so what a bloody good deal that is and so is that something you believe
01:17:50.800 it's like well like I said you're going to believe one thing or another why not stake yourself on
01:17:56.200 that you know what have you got to lose exactly you're going to die anyways I'm I'm dead serious
01:18:03.460 about that right like you've got everything on the table as it is right like it or not so maybe
01:18:09.720 you could bet on the highest possible stakes you know and maybe if you had the faith to do that 0.77
01:18:14.760 which is a form of commitment right a form of daring not a form of superstitious idiocy it's
01:18:20.140 like maybe the rewards of that would be heavenly right that's the offer and i tell you the more i
01:18:27.600 look into this the more i just think yeah well that's that's right to the point of absolute
01:18:31.860 self-evidence and everyone knows it and i think you all know it in the bottom of your hearts or
01:18:37.100 maybe even closer to you than that because you wouldn't be here tonight listening to whatever
01:18:41.500 the hell this is you wouldn't be you wouldn't be motivated to do it and you know perfectly well
01:18:47.160 that there's something to be said man for the upward aim and god only knows what you're trying 0.51
01:18:51.500 to make contact with when you do that you know and why should you think any less of yourself than
01:18:57.280 to presume that you're a reflection of the structure of reality itself because you're real
01:19:02.360 after all and here you are and so you're a foreigner in in a land that's beyond you or are you
01:19:09.120 an inhabitant of the eternal garden of eden if you only knew it it seems to me very much 0.57
01:19:14.780 probable that the latter is the case and i would also say that it's your best bet man to conduct
01:19:21.520 yourself as if that's the case and so that's certainly what your wife wants from you or your
01:19:26.400 husband wants from you or what everyone anyone who's ever loved you wants from you it's certainly
01:19:31.360 what you want from everyone you meet and you're constantly disappointed when you don't get it
01:19:36.860 and that's the longing of the soul for what to meet the per the longing of the soul to establish
01:19:44.360 the relationship with what's most truly real right and that's the person who acts out the
01:19:49.580 pattern of self-sacrifice that integrates them matures them stabilizes the community is a
01:19:56.320 benefit to the natural order and that serves what the spirit that engendered the cosmos
01:20:01.120 right that's all part of wrestling with god right thank you very much everyone
01:20:19.580 all right so i'll ask invite michaela to come back out on the stage and she'll
01:20:27.440 curate the questions that you so kindly uh asked and maybe she'll have one or two of her own and
01:20:34.140 we'll do that for a reasonable amount of time and we'll get through a reasonable number of
01:20:42.280 questions hopefully and away we go you nailed that ending thank you dear that's always fun yeah
01:20:50.060 yeah well that was great yeah so it's it's like a joke you know in a way to do a talk like that
01:20:59.900 because if you're if you're fortunate and you can be taken up by the situation and the place and you
01:21:08.080 can specify your aim then you can conduct the flow in a manner that brings it to a punch line
01:21:17.940 and it's such fun when that happens you know and it can happen if you pay enough attention and i
01:21:23.820 think if you were practicing that sort of thing all the time that every micro adventure that laid
01:21:32.200 itself out in front of you would have that structure right is that you would throw yourself
01:21:36.380 into it completely you'd pay enough attention to establish a harmony between yourself and what was
01:21:41.900 unfolding and you'd bring it to what would you say you'd hit this you'd hit the target in the
01:21:47.660 middle you'd bring the adventure to its proper denouement and and that every day would be a
01:21:55.220 sequence of harmonious occurrences of that sort in a continual spiraling upward you could have that
01:22:04.220 right if if you sacrificed everything to it that's the that's the rub but i think it's the case
01:22:11.760 it looks like it's the case so are you ready
01:22:17.620 okay some of these questions some of these questions were were decent
01:22:28.960 can you imagine having dinner with dad as a kid and just learning how to listen really well
01:22:37.260 okay uh this is a good one so it's how would you suggest a wife but we could just say how
01:22:49.140 how would you suggest anybody uh wife or husband open a difficult conversation with their significant
01:22:56.200 another, who grew up in a household where all conversations were attacks rather than discussions?
01:23:09.700 Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. Yeah, well, first of all, okay,
01:23:15.360 so the first thing I would say to the person who asked that question is that that's not rare.
01:23:19.500 you know like people we are not taught well to negotiate we're really we're there's virtually
01:23:30.640 no emphasis whatsoever on that in our education system for example you know and we don't even
01:23:36.860 know generally what negotiate means the proper negotiation ends with you being thrilled with
01:23:42.960 what's on the table and me being thrilled too right and that's a because you know you you can
01:23:48.020 think about negotiation as compromise and you can think about that in the confines of a marriage
01:23:52.380 but compromise is what would you say compromise compromise beats having your hands around each
01:23:59.620 other's throats which is you know a common situation in families but it's nowhere near
01:24:05.720 as good as playful negotiation towards an optimized agreement and you can actually have that and
01:24:12.080 so let's see if we can make that concrete
01:24:15.560 okay so what are the preconditions for negotiation
01:24:22.300 helps if you do what you want right so so here's a way to stymie a conversation
01:24:30.360 your partner you're complaining about something and maybe you have your reasons and your partner
01:24:37.340 says what do you want you know and they say that with a bit of an edge so that
01:24:41.860 puts you on your heels and you say well if you loved me you'd know what i wanted
01:24:47.240 it's like really you don't even know what you want you know like i don't even know what i want
01:24:54.740 how the hell am i going to know what you want especially if you can't figure it out yourself
01:24:59.840 and so one of the things that's very useful when you start a difficult conversation with your
01:25:08.000 partner is to figure out and maybe even let them know what you would accept as a successful
01:25:16.840 conclusion and if you don't know that it's like
01:25:20.380 well either you should go away you should shut up and go away and think about it or you should let
01:25:28.440 your partner know that you don't know and that you need to sort of explore what a potentially
01:25:32.400 positive outcome might look like you know because sometimes that's obviously grounds for discussion
01:25:37.980 too you got to set some rules so what would the rules be the purpose of this discussion is
01:25:50.240 to make things better for you in a way that you would regard as better and for me in a way that
01:25:58.260 i would regard as better and in a manner that's better for us as a couple okay so that's a pretty
01:26:02.820 good opening selvo right it's like there's something in it for you we're not going to
01:26:06.820 quit until you're happy okay and and likewise with the other person you're not going to quit
01:26:13.560 till they're happy that's the goal now you may have to come up with an awkward compromise now
01:26:17.920 and then and that happens when neither of you can think of a better solution than the one that's at
01:26:23.920 hand and so you know sometimes you're in a situation like that but there's there's no reason
01:26:30.600 not to aim up and you can do that even in the simplest things i'll give you an example of that
01:26:37.860 it's kind of a trivial example but that that's kind of what makes it perfect so imagine that
01:26:44.700 you're trying to imagine what it would be like to have a good marriage and family life okay but
01:26:51.520 we're going to make this very concrete we're not going to disappear into some abstract world so
01:26:56.980 imagine that you're awake and functional for about 16 hours a day and then let's assume that
01:27:03.620 you spend like 10 of those hours around your family okay so we're looking at a 10-hour day
01:27:10.260 so that's 600 minutes okay so now imagine that that 10-hour day repeats in many ways day after
01:27:20.440 day those would be the sort of routines of your life you know you you get up you prepare for the
01:27:26.800 day you have breakfast you go off to work you come home after work you re-enter your household
01:27:32.960 you do whatever you do between that and dinner time you have dinner you maybe have kids you have
01:27:39.280 a routine with your kids right and that repeats okay so imagine that 10 things make up that
01:27:45.820 repetition or 20 you know that make up that repeating pattern so each of those things is
01:27:51.740 five percent of your life so then imagine that you got all those things right you're just those
01:27:57.680 20 things that repeat every day okay so what would right mean well that's where you have the
01:28:03.040 negotiation it's like okay so imagine you come home from work or i don't care your wife comes
01:28:07.020 home from work or whatever and you think well if i could come home from work and that worked
01:28:14.680 What would that look like?
01:28:16.640 Yeah, you've got to ask yourself, this is a form of prayer.
01:28:19.960 It's a request for a revelation.
01:28:22.400 If I could come home optimally, by my own definition, what would that look like?
01:28:30.540 It's like, well, I'm often hungry and angry because I'm hungry.
01:28:36.980 So probably I need something to eat.
01:28:39.260 Okay, so how could I arrange that?
01:28:41.000 well my wife or my husband could have something to eat ready or or we could buy groceries so that
01:28:47.100 there were sandwiches and we could just have that in the fridge and i could have 10 minutes on the
01:28:51.220 front porch to eat something so i'm not a complete wolf-like monster when i tromp into the house and
01:28:56.940 then maybe i need a rest or or something to drink or or just unwind in front of the television by
01:29:04.280 myself for half an hour or i don't know what the hell you need you hypothetically know what you
01:29:09.580 need but you probably need something and so you could figure out what that was you know and maybe
01:29:14.780 that occupies half an hour of every day and that's one twentieth of your life right and so you could
01:29:23.020 get 20 things like that right and well that that'd be good you could do that with your kid's bedtime
01:29:28.580 you could do that with like we had a rule at our at our dinner table which was act like you're happy
01:29:36.480 that your mother bothered to feed you something well why well because maybe she won't serve it
01:29:43.920 with hatred and contempt right and maybe she'll put some effort into it and maybe she'll like you
01:29:50.260 and since you depend on her to be liked and loved and fed you might want to be nice to her and show
01:29:59.120 some gratitude and then that's a lovely thing for everyone you get to have some food that isn't
01:30:05.340 poisonous in attitude or delivery and your mother likes you and she's pleased because of your
01:30:13.100 gratitude to be of service to you that's a good deal and so so how do you establish that negotiating
01:30:21.620 territory well you have to have a discussion with your partner and you say well look what
01:30:25.240 what's the purpose of us talking like we're gonna have to we're gonna have problems because life is
01:30:31.740 full of problems and we're going to try to talk about them because then maybe we can solve them
01:30:36.080 but the goal of the talking is the solution to the problem not it's your fault or your fault
01:30:44.780 you could be thinking about how it's your fault and your wife could be thinking about how it's
01:30:48.780 her fault and you could trade self-accusations that's a good way of taking a lot of the tension 1.00
01:30:54.300 out of an argument it's like how are you stupid you could probably think up 10 reasons no problem 0.99
01:30:59.680 and you know that's a good offering to your partner here's what i think i might be doing 0.99
01:31:04.280 that's not quite up to scratch you know and and maybe i could improve that a bit and it's that
01:31:09.120 mutual offering and if you you have to have okay so that means you have to have trust each other
01:31:14.960 you might say well i have difficulty with trust you know because i come from a family where there
01:31:18.640 was damn little of it and i would say trust is a form of courage when you're not naive
01:31:22.920 right this is something to understand is that well why do you trust well it's not because you're a 0.98
01:31:28.560 fool especially if you've been burned a couple of times it's because you're willing to what put
01:31:34.600 your heart on the line courageously and you want to do that with your partner in marriage in 0.99
01:31:40.320 particular because if you don't offer that trust what are you going to do you're going to guard
01:31:44.080 yourself for like 50 years you're not going to let the other person in you're not going to have
01:31:48.320 anybody who loves you then you're not going to solve any problems that's not a good way to act
01:31:52.720 and of course she's going to fail he's going to fail they're going to betray you in small ways
01:31:57.620 and sometimes larger ways from time to time,
01:31:59.860 but that doesn't alleviate you of the moral responsibility
01:32:02.760 to have the courage to trust. 0.99
01:32:05.040 That doesn't mean you should be a fool 0.98
01:32:06.460 and, you know, set yourself up for repeated betrayals 1.00
01:32:10.040 at the hands of a narcissist.
01:32:11.540 That's not the issue.
01:32:13.280 Is that you set the rules.
01:32:17.120 We're trying to aim up.
01:32:17.980 That's what you do when you get married.
01:32:19.220 That's why you get married, by the way,
01:32:20.760 in Christ, in a church.
01:32:22.500 So you're both subordinate
01:32:23.940 to the pattern of redemptive self-sacrifice that establishes the community that's the purpose of
01:32:30.780 the religious sacralization of the marital bond it's not about you it's not about your wife
01:32:36.460 it's about your union you're both subject properly subject to that higher order union right and
01:32:43.300 that's the divine individual that you could be in unison if you communicated in consort with the
01:32:52.400 logos right that's that's the notion behind the marriage and that means that you could use the
01:33:00.380 opportunity you have to negotiate with your partner as a tool to guide you on the sacrificial
01:33:09.400 journey uphill to the realization of who you could be that's the deeper purpose of the marriage and
01:33:15.700 that's real you know you have a wrestling partner in your in your wife or your husband and
01:33:21.920 you're a lot more sane crazy as you are you're a lot more sane than you would be without them
01:33:27.420 i've watched people who are alone you know sometimes for decades man you drift it takes 0.96
01:33:33.620 at least two people to keep you sane at least two and probably more like 10 but two is an absolute
01:33:40.520 minimum and if it's just you you're going to spin out in whatever crazy direction you're most
01:33:45.200 inclined to spin and you might have like five of those directions so you get pretty damn incoherent
01:33:52.000 and inarticulate if you've got no one to spill your soul to and so at the minimum your wife or
01:33:58.960 husband is like one person who cares whether you're you know screws are loose so so you set
01:34:07.100 the boundaries right and it's the boundaries the upward aim and you say i'm gonna do my best to
01:34:12.300 communicate in truth in relationship to that aim and you got to let your partner stumble around 0.76
01:34:16.920 stupidly just like you will and and you know let them wander as they try to hit the target and
01:34:23.480 you can get better and better at that you know you truly can with practice and 1.00
01:34:28.320 another rule you can institute is that you don't get to run away
01:34:35.320 right there's a problem you're going to negotiate a solution if you get upset you can go cool off 1.00
01:34:44.840 and you can think about what the hell it is that what stupidity you're bringing to the table but 0.99
01:34:50.360 you have to come back to the negotiating board it's very hard on a marriage when one person just 1.00
01:34:55.120 clams up and won't budge it's a very it's a terrible form of narcissistic passive aggressiveness
01:35:02.940 And people might say, well, I do that because I don't trust.
01:35:05.960 It's like, that's a failure of courage, buddy.
01:35:08.240 It's not a moral virtue.
01:35:14.580 I can remember you telling us that at dinner in regards to money.
01:35:29.720 Yeah, you can, eh?
01:35:30.600 Oh, yeah, no.
01:35:31.300 Can you remember our negotiation?
01:35:33.660 Our negotiation rule?
01:35:36.580 No, our negotiation sessions.
01:35:40.620 Vividly.
01:35:41.900 And do you remember those?
01:35:44.220 Yes.
01:35:47.220 We had a rule and it was we're not leaving the table until this is sorted out.
01:35:51.060 Yeah.
01:35:51.780 Do I remember those?
01:35:57.120 Okay, speaking of trauma.
01:36:01.300 How do we as parents accurately prepare our children for the landscape of good and evil
01:36:12.420 without traumatizing them or screwing it up?
01:36:17.960 Well, stories help with that, you know, a lot.
01:36:21.520 That's kind of what they're for.
01:36:22.680 I mean, I really like the—I'm a real aficionado of classic Disney movies, for example,
01:36:28.960 because for a good time 40 years or so that studio man it had an unerring aim it was something to
01:36:35.780 watch those brilliant animated movies the harry potter people did a great job with that
01:36:41.840 at jk rowling man that girl can hit a she can hit a target she's got quite the mythological
01:36:48.400 imagination and so you know stories great stories they lay out the landscape of good and evil i was
01:36:56.280 i've just been re-watching the hobbit with tammy and um what's the hobbit about well it's about this
01:37:02.280 slow launch dwarf character you know the hobbit um bilbo who isn't much when he starts and has
01:37:15.140 to learn to be a thief because he's got to integrate his shadow and he goes off on a quest
01:37:20.080 to combat totalitarian evil
01:37:24.080 and the all-seeing eye of Sauron, 0.99
01:37:26.700 which is what they're building in China
01:37:28.100 right at the moment.
01:37:29.640 And seriously, man,
01:37:32.060 that's the eye at the top of the Tower of Babel 1.00
01:37:34.460 that the idiot engineers insist upon creating. 1.00
01:37:38.320 And so the hobbit goes out and into the world 1.00
01:37:42.000 and has his adventure and develops along the way.
01:37:44.320 And what does he encounter?
01:37:45.900 He encounters the terrible dragon
01:37:47.840 that is every worst nightmare that guards the gold that's the greatest of all possible treasures
01:37:54.800 and that's life itself right that's the eternal story of mankind is that we we look for the
01:38:00.920 place of maximal adventure that's the place of maximal challenge and danger and it's the place
01:38:06.460 where the eternal treasure is always stored and that's the straight truth and that's what's
01:38:12.180 portrayed constantly in stories and those scary stories you know and it's good to read children's
01:38:19.580 scary stories not too scary i exposed my poor children to stories that were slightly beyond
01:38:25.280 their capacity to grasp now and slightly he he showed me dante's peak the volcano that scary
01:38:32.840 volcano movie i was five i had i'm not i'm not even joking i had a volcano phobia only for about
01:38:40.420 10 years yeah for about 10 years every trip every trip we went on northern saskatchewan
01:38:46.920 are there volcanoes here for 10 years yeah yeah trauma yes well you know that was an experiment
01:38:56.060 that went slightly astray but but i on a happier note let's say um one of the things i remember
01:39:06.680 telling julian and i don't remember how old he was when he went and saw the lord of the rings 0.97
01:39:10.600 because he was pretty shorted out by the nazgals you know those things that suck the souls out
01:39:14.940 shorted out he ran screaming from the theater shorted out i'm not i'm not taking you anymore
01:39:21.700 to these events anyways i told him when he was sitting on my lap that he should keep his eye on
01:39:27.520 the hero right if you're scared you keep your eye on the hero and that is what you do internally too
01:39:33.760 is that when you're scared, you keep your eye on the hero
01:39:38.080 and you make the presumption that if you were aiming upward
01:39:41.900 that you could prevail.
01:39:44.080 And, well, that's the gospel story fundamentally, right?
01:39:48.640 It's because Christ is the man who faces the ultimate trial
01:39:51.940 and the promise of the story is that if you do that voluntarily
01:39:57.580 then death and hell itself are defeated
01:40:01.680 And again, I think, how could it be any other way?
01:40:05.780 Because the alternative would be that you could withdraw from the fray, that you could hide from the reality of the world, that you could pretend that mortality and evil didn't exist, that you could hide and that victory would be yours.
01:40:20.260 And no one's foolish enough to think that.
01:40:22.940 I mean, obviously, no challenge that you don't take on is a challenge that you can prevail over, obviously.
01:40:30.480 And so what's the logical conclusion of that?
01:40:33.240 It's the logical conclusion is that you should be up for anything because you could be.
01:40:39.600 And that if you were, that's the thing that occurs in the miraculous gospel narrative is that the degree to which God is present with you is precisely proportionate to your faith, right?
01:40:52.620 And the faith is evinced by your willingness to contend with catastrophe and malevolence because that's the real challenge.
01:41:00.700 And so if you are up for that, then the God of your ancestors takes root within you and enables you to prevail.
01:41:09.540 And I don't think there is a more accurate way to tell that story.
01:41:13.380 I think that's, you know, when you face challenge, you grow.
01:41:18.280 You know that.
01:41:19.040 So it's like, well, what's the upper limit to that?
01:41:21.100 well that's that's the religious question is what's the upper limit to that the upper limit
01:41:26.040 is something like the descent of god to man and the ascent of man to god it's something like that
01:41:30.900 and of course that would be the ultimate limit to that because that's the ultimate limit and so
01:41:37.240 is it true there's nothing that psychology has demonstrated more clearly in the clinical realm
01:41:44.940 than the truth of the proposit two propositions you should get your story straight and you should
01:41:50.640 practice confronting everything that stops you cold in your tracks and if you do that
01:41:58.600 you get not less afraid you get braver and it's better to be braver than to be less afraid because
01:42:05.700 there are things to be afraid of if you have any sense you know you can't hope to be free of anxiety
01:42:12.000 you just run out in traffic and perish if you were free of anxiety you can hope that
01:42:17.460 you move ahead despite the paralysis of your fear and man you know people are capable of
01:42:27.980 unbelievable things like seriously ordinary people ordinary people there are no really
01:42:32.840 ordinary people there are people who make themselves ordinary
01:42:35.700 people are capable of bearing an immense burden and still struggling uphill you know the idea that
01:42:44.400 You get corrupted by the tragedies that befall you.
01:42:47.640 That's a complete bloody lie.
01:42:48.920 I've seen many, many people in my life take death blows, you know, betrayal, catastrophe of every sort you can imagine,
01:42:59.520 and still walk uphill, you know, without resentment.
01:43:05.940 And you can do that.
01:43:07.600 That's the story of Job, you know.
01:43:09.300 Job is the victim of a bet between God and Satan.
01:43:12.860 that's not a happy bet and God says Job's a good man and he's pretty happy about that and Satan
01:43:19.760 says I don't think so I think he's just privileged and God says no I think he's a good man and Satan
01:43:26.380 says you let me have a crack at him and we'll see and God says do your worst and there'll be a time
01:43:32.360 in your life where that happens to you you know or to certainly feel that way that despite all your
01:43:37.660 proper sacrifices that you know all hell breaks loose around you and you lose or risk losing
01:43:45.160 everything that you've worked for that's what happens to job right his the fortune he's
01:43:50.460 accumulated validly is devastated he loses most of his family then he gets a terrible illness that's
01:43:57.100 not only terrible but disfiguring and humiliating and then he's sitting in the ashes he's so bereft
01:44:04.360 that his wife comes to him and says there's nothing left for you but to shake your fist at God
01:44:10.800 curse fate and die which is not the kind of message of hope that you want from your wife but
01:44:18.600 is reflective of the depths of Job's misery and then that's not bad enough his friends
01:44:25.400 happy to see their erstwhile hero brought to the dust come and tell him that he must have done
01:44:33.720 something wrong or being flawed in character because otherwise these terrible things wouldn't
01:44:38.480 have happened to him so that's pretty damn miserable and what does job do he refuses to
01:44:46.580 lose faith in himself despite his tragic and catastrophic loss and suffering he admits to
01:44:54.580 having the flaws of the man who is good and those are still flaws but he insists upon maintaining
01:45:04.820 faith in the essential goodness of his being and he refuses to curse God and the moral of
01:45:16.240 the story of Job is something like you are called upon to maintain faith and aim up no matter what
01:45:24.540 happens to you why well first of all because the alternative is worse you know imagine that you
01:45:31.560 lose everything and you're suffering and then you lose hope and you become bitter and resentful
01:45:37.340 it's like well you were in hell to begin with and now you've opened up a whole new multitude of pits
01:45:43.700 of hell beneath that and you haven't yet hit the bottom and so you can take a bad situation say no
01:45:50.920 fault of your own because that happens from time to time and you can certainly make it worse by
01:45:56.000 shaking your fist at god and cursing fate and you know wishing for death so you're called upon to
01:46:03.600 maintain faith no matter what and that's that's also part of your capacity to to aim up in spite
01:46:13.160 of everything you know and that is how you set the world right that's christ's example is to
01:46:18.300 maintain the upward aim on the cross itself right it's a hell of a it's a hell of an ask
01:46:26.160 right it's the ask that it literally requires everything but
01:46:31.920 why would you assume that you could make your way through something as difficult and challenging as
01:46:41.020 life in all its reality without being called upon to offer both the best and everything like no one
01:46:51.720 you know that just can't work you know this is a difficult enterprise it's gonna
01:46:55.740 it's gonna require you to bring everything you have to the table seriously and then that's the
01:47:03.020 best deal you could have anyways because then you could be the person who brought everything
01:47:06.600 that he had to the table and so that's how you snatch victory from the jaws of defeat
01:47:12.860 and that's how you overcome death and evil and that's the case and you can do that and you need
01:47:19.920 to because otherwise they win and so and you know that oh you all know that that's another reason
01:47:26.140 that you're here because you can feel the tectonic plates shifting under the world and you know that
01:47:31.440 we're at a point of crisis and you understand that there's something you have to do about it
01:47:36.620 and there is why well because you're made in the image of god and the proper unfolding of reality
01:47:44.140 requires that you become who you are that's of course of course it has to be that way
01:47:51.600 if you keep something within you that should be revealed then that which should be revealed
01:47:58.860 stays in the realm of non-existence and the hole in the world that results is
01:48:05.800 on that's on you and that's not a good idea it's it's very hard on you it'll be very hard
01:48:13.720 on everyone around you it's hard on the world it's not a good idea and that's such a big risk
01:48:20.160 that any other risk you could take is a trivial risk in comparison seriously that's why when
01:48:25.180 you're called upon to speak and you have something to say it's time to talk because
01:48:29.500 the cost of not doing that is so massive so incomparably massive to whatever
01:48:36.460 you know trivial hardship you undertake by having the gall to say what you think that they're not
01:48:42.480 even in the same conceptual world so you know the totalitarian hell emerges when the good remains
01:48:50.720 silent that's that's the way of the world man so
01:48:55.060 jumanji also messed me up
01:49:05.600 oh gonna get grief for this for a long time
01:49:12.320 okay one more one more the timer ended we're still allowed to do one more
01:49:19.140 One more. I'll be brief, we hope.
01:49:23.560 Okay, we'll see about that.
01:49:27.780 Okay, this is a motivation one.
01:49:30.980 How do you battle against the inevitable deviation from goals you have set in life
01:49:36.540 that occur as a result of fatigue, human error, and obstacles in front of you?
01:49:47.340 Briefly.
01:49:49.140 well i'll give i can't answer that question fully obviously because there's so much to it but i can
01:49:59.800 give you a practical hint i i worked with a lot of people in the last 10 years of my clinical
01:50:05.660 practice who were very hard-working and diligent people many of them very successful and they
01:50:14.020 worked like 70 hours a week and they had very demanding jobs and they were usually high paying
01:50:19.300 and one of the costs to having a job like that is that you're never done like there's always work
01:50:25.760 way more work you're called upon to do it when it's necessary and that could be two in the morning
01:50:31.920 or something it doesn't matter it's like now is the time to do it and you know that's exhausting
01:50:40.980 so and with these people they couldn't really shrink the number of hours per day that they
01:50:47.780 worked even because they were in a very competitive landscape and if they didn't do the work then
01:50:52.660 someone would just step forward and do it and so one of the things we did was to plan
01:50:59.880 time off well in advance and so one of the things i would say is that if you are overwhelmed with
01:51:06.200 your responsibilities one thing you might ask yourself is whether you burdened yourself in a
01:51:13.500 manner that's fundamentally counterproductive right because you should live on the edge but
01:51:20.020 not past the edge right because you need to live in a manner that you can sustain like one of the
01:51:27.240 things I learned for example I've been writing daily for like 40 years and I learned pretty
01:51:35.580 early on that I couldn't write for more than three hours a day and do that day after day so you know
01:51:42.560 maybe I get on a roll and I'd write for six hours one day but then I wouldn't write at all for three
01:51:47.540 days and so three hours a day I could maintain you got to learn what you can maintain you know
01:51:52.700 it's good to learn that in your 20s. But if you don't, you can learn it later. And then you have
01:51:57.160 to, you know, we have push yourself beyond your limit, then you have to scale back until you see
01:52:02.400 what you can sustain without becoming demoralized. If you're demoralized, your one practical problem
01:52:11.640 is that you're asking too much of yourself. The other thing I would say is you also should ask
01:52:16.060 yourself if you are a micromanager like one of the prideful elements of the proclivity to take
01:52:25.420 responsibility is to think that you're the one that has to do it all and that's not a good
01:52:33.220 attitude partly because well first of all you're not there are other competent people but also
01:52:40.540 second you'd be much better off if you had competent people around you so one of the
01:52:45.380 things you see for example in the old testament accounts with moses for example he's the leader
01:52:49.820 he's the leader that moves the israelites away from tyranny and out of slavery across the desert
01:52:55.820 to the promised land so you know thumbs up for moses but right at the beginning of his adventure
01:53:02.500 he realizes he can't do it alone and he he doesn't have the speaking capacity in moses case and so he
01:53:09.500 allies himself with his brother Aaron who becomes his political arm and that's on command from God
01:53:15.900 and the moral of that story is there's enough work for everyone and so if you're overburdened
01:53:22.040 by your responsibilities it's time to set up a bit of a subsidiary structure around you it's like
01:53:27.260 if there's more than enough for you to do well invite someone along for the ride right and then
01:53:33.860 the two of you i mean you have to be judicious about who you partner with and that's an art in
01:53:39.540 and of itself for sure but there's no reason not to multiply your force and you do that
01:53:47.700 generously right and if you do that generously you could build a team that
01:53:52.360 is a radical multiplier of your force that includes them in the adventure and sets them
01:54:01.460 on their own adventure in a way that's well has the benefits that were offered to abraham right
01:54:06.520 it works for you works for them works for everybody else it establishes something permanent
01:54:11.700 you know it's a great deal and so if you're overburdened and exhausted ask yourself if
01:54:19.500 you've pridefully bitten off more than you can chew see if you're willing to treat yourself
01:54:25.400 as someone whose long-term sustenance
01:54:30.200 has to be taken into account
01:54:31.860 and see if you're distributing requisite responsibility.
01:54:36.740 Because you want to get into a place
01:54:39.260 where you're looking forward to what you're doing.
01:54:42.540 And I think you can do that if your aim is upward
01:54:45.040 because then you're serving something you want to serve.
01:54:48.060 That's how you transform toil into play
01:54:50.680 is that work transmutes into play
01:54:54.340 if it's serving god fundamentally and there's no limit to the number of people that you can bring
01:55:03.240 on board to aid in that venture and that's why christ had disciples you know i mean he took the
01:55:12.440 cross of the world on his shoulders but he also said before he died that there would be more than
01:55:18.100 enough for everyone else to do right and so that's worth thinking about and
01:55:23.300 i know you have to push yourself in your life to find out what you can do and you do have to push
01:55:30.020 yourself beyond your limits just so you know what they are but you're not required to bear the weight
01:55:36.480 that only crushes you and i think doing that is actually a form of pride so
01:55:42.460 so that's the answer to that question or at least partially all right everyone
01:55:50.020 thank you very much thank you you're welcome thank you yep thank you thank you everyone it
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