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00:08:06.680Yeah, I class with them every week. And then my favorite thing was we would have the church would have a prayer, you know, breakfast every or the men's prayer, and then we'd go have breakfast. And about, you know, eight to eight to 10 guys usually would go to that and Doug would be there and be real early in the morning. And then after we walk over to the diner block away.
00:08:29.700and then doug and i would argue about like whatever happened in politics that week
00:08:34.380would have made a great podcast i think um but it was it was a lot of fun and like uh yeah we
00:08:41.320and the best is like we would agree on like 99.9 percent of stuff and so it's like that 0.1 percent
00:08:46.840that that's really fun and uh and so so you taught doug wilson everything he knows is what you're
00:08:52.660Yeah, that's right. Well, no, not quite. I just learned a tremendous amount from him. And a lot of it was not like actual content of like, well, here's this theological argument. Here's how to exegete this passage. Here's how to do that.
00:09:10.000I certainly learned those things, but it was more kind of the whole ethos that he lived by, lives by, I should say, he's not gone, just his model of pastoral ministry, because he has this like reputation of being like this very bold, you know, in your face kind of guy, the way he writes on his blog and speaks about things.
00:09:34.580but I got to see him, you know, on the ground, um, ministering to the saints in the, in the
00:09:40.000church there. And this is a guy who is, was, was a shepherd, you know, is a shepherd, is very
00:09:46.740sensitive and kind to the needs of the people there, which is like the opposite of what, you
00:09:52.600know, you would think, uh, if you only saw the stuff that he, he, he blogs about things like
00:09:58.480that, that's your only perception of them. You'd think like, this guy's going to be a jerk to0.99
00:10:01.920everybody all the time. I mean, it was the opposite of that. It was amazing. He, uh, he was, uh, was1.00
00:10:07.980very fatherly, uh, to the people in his congregation. It was, it was amazing. It was
00:10:12.640wonderful. And so you kind of, you know, learn to adopt the same kind of, you know, rhetorical
00:10:18.900strategy or, or just, uh, mode of being that, that he has where, you know, the public, the
00:10:25.220public facing thing, the thing, and not always in some ways, just the things that need, need that
00:10:30.060need need some harsh words but like the actual people they need gentleness and softness i mean
00:10:35.940and you see this i mean you see that in the gospels with jesus like the the rebuke is for
00:10:41.820the pharisees and the scribes and the chief priests uh but the actual sheep that are are
00:10:47.380damaged and broken and and and cut off from the lord he's restoring them with with this gentleness
00:10:53.480um and and so you see both and and it's it's funny because like the church wants to to in the in the
00:10:59.640current age only wants to see that like gentle sweet jesus and just kind of skips right over the
00:11:06.920the prophetic denunciations conveniently enough unless it's for like pet you know left-wing issues
00:11:12.260then then yeah exactly like oh the capitalism yeah there's some capitalism or or like a policeman
00:11:19.780like i mean the thing that happened this weekend in in what what i i like to call uh other people
00:11:25.160kind of coined this but i think it's true the ukraine of of the united states which is minnesota
00:11:29.260all the all the all the all the like deep statey kind of stuff happens here yeah so like like uh
00:11:37.260and so we had another we had this this guy like shot at a woman or kids and police unfortunately
00:11:42.800had to you know had to shoot him people are like people went out marching like oh this poor guy is
00:11:48.460was murdered by the cops and the woman who he shot at and her kids who he shot at like was trying to
00:11:54.200get into her apartment and they started like yeah it was unbelievable scene and it's like those are
00:11:58.940that's the thing those are the people that like these evangelical leaders are like no that's
00:12:04.360terrible that that guy was killed and it's and it's it's non-stop this kind of thing that's the
00:12:09.300only thing that they have any kind of prophetic words to say about or if or if donald trump has
00:12:14.320some mean tweets or whatever you know like that's the stuff that's bad it's not it's not like the
00:12:19.180you know admiral levine type stuff or or any of the craziness going on uh no never not ever but
00:12:26.220Anyway, yeah, I'm going to go on all sorts of tangents, so you have to rein it in here.
00:12:32.100For the project of this season to be successful, the project of seeing a new Christendom built,0.90
00:12:37.360there will need to be thousands and thousands of Christian men and women
00:12:40.300who are equipped to stand for the truth of Scripture
00:12:42.540against the errors of both the liberal church and the pagan culture.
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00:17:43.620That's right. So there wasn't, you know, there wasn't a ton of places that I could go.
00:17:48.600I mean, there's there were a few churches in the CREC, but that had openings, but they're all over the place.
00:17:54.180Some of them are in just not anywhere nearby, you know, close to family.
00:17:59.780And so I said, well, I think I should at least take a few years off, try to gain some skills in the workplace and and and and things like that.
00:18:07.560And after a couple of years, the pastor of the church that I grew up in, in town here, very, very tiny church.
00:18:15.340I mean, it had declined to, you know, maybe eight to 10 people.
00:18:18.980I mean, so it was like a glorified Bible study at this point.
00:18:21.520He was 79 and he says to me, hey, Andrew, would you like to take over the church?
00:18:27.660Because the district of the denomination that it's in, they're going to close it down if they don't, if I don't find a replacement.
00:18:33.720And I'm, I'm getting old. I really want to retire. And I really want the church to keep going.
00:18:38.340And my grandfather and my great grandfather were original charting members or charter members of
00:18:45.340the, of that church. And wow. In like 1962. And so I was like, ah, I kind of wanted to keep going
00:18:52.380too. Um, so I, I said, all right, well, this kind of, you know, this limits me because it's not,
00:18:58.000But obviously you can't have a church of, of, you know, eight, 10, 12 people as like a vocation.
00:19:20.860And, and so, you know, slowly the churches has, has grown bigger.
00:19:26.000It's still, you know, still not huge. It's still not enormous. It's, you know, on a good Sunday, maybe we'll get, you know, 35, 40 people, which, you know, it's, it is challenging. It's trying because, you know, I'm, I'm used to more people than that. And it's, it's a difficult and it's also, you're in, you're in a tougher spot because if I wanted to like employ, you know, church growth type stuff and it's like, oh, we'll have real snazzy band and we'll, I'll only ever, I'll only ever say
00:19:55.880the things that like people want to say, I'll say, you know, real great Tony Robbins type
00:20:00.440messages. That'll be exactly 15 minutes long. And we'll make the service 50 minutes every single
00:20:04.820week. And all those kinds of methods to manipulate people into going to your church. Yeah, we could
00:20:09.260grow. We could be at a few hundred maybe by now, like all that's fake. It's like, what's the point
00:20:13.040then? Um, yeah. And so I've just, I'm like, you know what I will, I will, oh, we're going to have
00:20:19.400worship. We'll do it as faithfully as we can with what we got. And, um, I'm going to preach the
00:20:25.160Bible and I'm going to say the things that are in it and teach the people, you know,
00:20:29.280what it says and I'll let the Lord sort it out.
00:20:33.580And thankfully, you know, there's been growth.
00:20:36.040People have started coming and it's been nice to see people not only grow numerically in
00:20:42.520a small way, but really have the Bible opened up in a way that they haven't before, you
00:27:14.500And I'm like, yeah, and they're probably like, he writes like he tweets, like full of mispellings and bad grammar.
00:27:21.680And so I have to tip my hat to the editors fixing and cleaning things up.
00:27:29.040But yeah, so a lot of great stuff, a lot of great collaboration with those guys.
00:27:35.700And, uh, yeah, the main, you know, and I've given thought to like, how do I, how do I articulate the main theme of, of the book? And that's always been like the criticism of, of, of anything. Like even, even my, my preaching sometimes like what's the main theme of that sermon? I'm like, well, um, I don't really know. Uh, and so, uh, that's never good. That's, that's always, you know, a homiletical lesson, like figure out what the theme is.
00:28:02.740At any rate, the theme of this book, I mean, to back up a little bit, I mean, the name comes from Rod Dreher's book, The Benedict Option, which I thought was a decent book.
00:28:20.980There's some good themes and good insights there.
00:28:23.440But something to me that was just obviously lacking, and some of it is just kind of the personality of the writer Dreher, is he's not a very aggressive guy. He's not a guy that goes out of his way to fight things that are bad. Even though you know he's more or less kind of a Christian man on the right in some capacity. He writes for the American conservative and so forth.
00:28:46.580Yeah. But but he's not this aggressive, like fire breathing, Savonarola kind of guy. Right. And you see that in the book because it's like, OK, retreat to your intentional communities. OK. And then what? Like now what? Yeah. Like wait for wait for Waco to happen. You know, what happens when they come for our intentional communities with guns and do this or we'll shoot you?
00:29:08.500yeah and this the next book that he wrote was about uh souls of easton so you it's like he
00:29:12.760knows what the soviet union is like yeah he knows what like revolutionary leftism is like and this
00:29:17.700is all just the same species of of it you know it just makes its way in different forms in different
00:29:23.360time periods but it's this is all stuff descended from this french revolution and and so it's and
00:29:30.040what that is is just it's an inversion of the gospel right it's an inversion of of this what
00:29:36.360you just articulated is that right jesus is king over every square inch of the planet well these
00:29:41.540people are are saying nobody is king or particularly not jesus is king of every square inch of the
00:29:47.920planet our our insane satanic ideology is king over every square inch of the planet so we're
00:29:53.520not going to let you withdraw to your intentional community you know here there or wherever there's
00:29:59.300an oron mcintyre tweet he has some very good good ones you know very good tap the sign meme
00:30:04.280tweets and one of them is right the side that wants to win will always beat the side that wants
00:30:11.300to be left alone and oh that's good that is good and and and the book like the benedict option is
00:30:17.120straight like the subtitle is a strategy for for christians in a post-christian america
00:30:21.780and what's the strategy just try to be left alone right and it's like yeah no that's not
00:30:28.460going to work like the the this my you know my subtitle is i i don't know if we have haven't you
00:30:34.180know fleshed out yet it would be something like a strategy for christians in a in an apostate
00:30:39.340christian america and it's you need to fight right you need to fight you need to want to win
00:30:46.720that's that's that's like the ethos of the book the theme of the book is um it's not enough to
00:30:51.800just like withdraw and consolidate strength which is good now you go from this place to go fight and
00:30:57.020And it's – and the theme – like why I picked Boniface is not just because the story of the Donner Oak is just awesome.
00:31:04.940It's also that Boniface was a Benedictine monk.
00:31:09.040He was going to be made the prior of – yeah, the abbot of his monastery, of his Benedictine monastery.
00:31:16.340And he said, no, I'd rather go be a missionary to the people on the other side of the Rhine.
00:31:21.520and and he left and and went and did that and and went to you know went to go die basically he left
00:31:28.800and packed up his his burial shroud with him and like all right they're gonna kill me at some point0.52
00:31:34.240yeah yeah it's like all right um i'm gonna die and and and so be it and and so anyway like that's
00:31:42.320that's the story it's like it's it isn't enough to just withdraw to the monastery it you have to
00:31:47.660leave it and go fight you have to leave it and go on the offense and so that's that's what we do not
00:31:52.800do right we think if we just if we're just peaceable and nice i mean some of it is is like
00:31:58.080post-war i mean it post-war american christianity like you live in this this pax americana where
00:32:05.340you really don't have any you know any existential military threats in the sense of
00:32:10.580like there's not going to be a foreign army that's going to invade you and come and murder
00:32:14.060you and rape your wives and things like that like there was in europe for the entire you know0.97
00:32:19.960previous period right i mean you had the threat of nuclear war but that's like that's out of sight0.99
00:32:24.380out of mind and it's like we'll all be either annihilated or what do you do yeah it's just
00:32:29.420gonna fall in the sky we're all gonna be vapor and then yeah fighting yeah so it's not like you
00:32:34.240don't see any of the horror like you like you're conscious of like the horrors of warfare coming
00:32:38.580down upon your your nation and you're living in this time of just massive prosperity and so like
00:32:44.660that had a huge effect on american christianity where we used to expect things to be good forever
00:32:51.620and we think well there's never going to be any conflict never going to be any fighting and
00:32:55.440here these you know revolutionaries from within come and subvert our entire society and rip it
00:33:01.900apart they're joined with people that that see you know some money in in doing that and like
00:33:07.560those two things go hand in hand they destroy american society um and it's it's just i mean
00:33:14.520every sociological you know indicator that you could you could look at whether it's marriage
00:33:20.000rates or out of wedlock birth or poverty rates or you know the disparity between you know low
00:33:24.700income and high income the the middle class being destroyed all of this stuff right all of that
00:33:29.040median wages um you know all of it is way way way worse than like 50 years ago i mean people had
00:33:36.680so much better 50 years ago. The way people lived was so much godlier 50 years ago. And so a lot of
00:33:45.280that is because the church got fat and happy and thought, oh, the Jesus that's just gentle and kind
00:33:51.640and very precious momentsy, very much like Mr. Rogers, that's the real Jesus, right? A Jesus
00:33:57.960that is a king, that fights and everywhere he goes, he gets in fights with people. We're going
00:34:04.820to ignore that and and it became very non-confrontational right you look at the christian
00:34:09.720leaders um over the last 50 years none of them really want to fight at all it reminds me of and
00:34:16.380and tell me if you think this is an accurate kind of illustration of where we're at it reminds me of
00:34:22.240the one of the greatest reasons that the lord of the rings movies are actually not good uh
00:34:28.100they left off the scouring of the shire which is the whole denouement it's the the whole it's like
00:34:34.520the apotheosis of the hobbits where they've come to be masterful self-ruling kings and you know
00:34:40.600the hobbits had become very comfortable in the shire they didn't realize that the rangers from
00:34:46.440the north were really protecting them from all these evils they were peaceful prosperous they
00:34:52.160generally had this disposition of just liking comfort and peace and then you know so then they
00:34:57.480began to be invaded and conquered and they basically just but for a few of them there were
00:35:02.860a few lone voices that kind of stood up and they were immediately put in the lock holes they get0.87
00:35:08.840you know the fatty uh bulger gets put in the lock holes that the the the thane they all get put in
00:35:15.700the lock holes and and they're just kind of waiting for this spark when peregrine and and uh the the
00:35:22.920frodo and sam and mary doc come back and they're the spark that kind of brings everybody to realize
00:35:29.860that they need to raise the shire and fear, fire, foes awake. Do you think we're in that
00:35:36.580kind of moment where a lot of people know that they're being enslaved and need that spark to
00:35:41.000like, do you think there's going to be a turn culturally and in the church ecclesiastically?
00:35:45.780Or how do you, do you think there's a parallel there? I think there is. I certainly hope there
00:35:52.300is. I mean, that's, that's my hope that all of these people, I mean, like I mentioned like tens
00:35:58.600of millions of evangelical. It's not like, it's not like we're this tiny little minority. Like
00:36:05.140there are tens of millions of us. I mean, it's right. There are more of us than the ruffians.
00:36:09.580Yeah. There's a substantial number. And, and, and there are people with like a stake in their
00:36:14.400communities and, you know, the people that own homes and property and, you know, they, they have
00:36:19.880a connection to their community. They have, they have actually have families. They aren't, they
00:36:23.860They're in a bunch of, like, the thing I look at is, like, the people that are, like, the main combatants are, like, the people that Kyle Rittenhouse shot, right?0.95
00:36:32.680I mean, all of these, like, felons and losers and drug addicts and pedophiles, like, that's what these people are.0.85
00:36:37.020All those people that went and rioted.0.99
00:36:38.420And a lot of them, that's, like, when you think of the leftists, that's what they are.
00:36:41.980There are people that just have, like, a minor difference of opinion on, like, tax policy or something.
00:36:47.280These are people that are fundamentally at odds with the way the world is.
00:36:51.540And most of them don't have families and children. They have, they're just, they have, this is all they have is revolution. So yeah, I think there are the possibility of the Shire being scoured is, is, is there. And like you said, a lot of it is people just waiting for someone to stand up.
00:37:09.520I mean, you look at, I, I, my, my wife, uh, listens to that.
00:37:14.280Uh, I couldn't bring myself to listen to more than like five minutes total of it, but the,
00:37:18.440uh, rise and fall of Mars Hill, you know, podcast, uh, I couldn't do it.
00:41:07.900it's sad and so the so to have yeah some photos and sam's and some mary and pippins you know just0.99
00:41:15.660come back with their armor and are ready to fight and show them how um that's that's that's desperately
00:41:22.600what is needed um they they they need someone to say actually no being a christian doesn't mean
00:41:29.120you have to be a pushover and and you know uh just be walked over like a rug like you can fight back
00:41:36.440You could boldly say, no, this is wrong. And if people get offended, good, they should be because they're offended at Jesus, right? They're not offended at you. They're offended at Jesus and his word. So stop caring what these people think or wanting them to like you. You need to fight.0.91
00:41:52.640It reminds me of something you said earlier about Pastor Douglas Wilson. And people that only know his public persona or his public-facing work, they're getting the Douglas Wilson that is waging counterwar, that is protecting his people behind him from the Overton window shift and from the worldview incursions.
00:42:14.680And he's fighting this very pointed battle. What most people don't see is, you know, if you go and visit Moscow, if you talk to Greyfriars students or if you talk to families in their church, we have families who were members at our church who moved there for work and ended up members at Christ Church and knew Pastor Toby Sumter and Doug and these guys.
00:42:34.300They don't see that what's needed is someone who is. They are absolutely unapologetic. They're absolutely willing to wage total war against that religious fanaticism, the demonic religious war that's taking place to try and essentially knock down the last vestiges of Christendom in America.
00:42:57.400you need guys that are going to be really harsh and and prophetic that direction and then turn
00:43:03.480around and be fatherly and be brotherly and be shepherds care for the sheep and and so you know
00:43:11.180a lot of the time i think people don't understand that that's the strategy they don't understand
00:43:16.000that's what's needed because they have been raised in this uh let's just the strategy basically for
00:43:22.080everything is just be nice. That's the strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's also like,
00:43:27.720I mean, just looking at like a family, right? Like if, if, you know, you've got a family and
00:43:32.820you have a whole bunch of kids and your children are constantly being demeaned and attacked and,
00:43:41.380and told that they're, they're the worst people in the world, right? They, they and their ancestors
00:43:46.980or the cause of all the problems in the world0.98
00:43:49.080that they are the most evil people ever.
00:43:55.300And from every direction, 24-7, all day long,0.59
00:44:06.940and you don't fight back for them, right,
00:44:09.980it doesn't matter how friendly and cuddly
00:44:12.180and warm you are to them on the inside of the house.
00:44:15.680you're being a terrible father if you are letting your children be attacked and just be thrown to
00:44:22.460the wolves like that. And that's the pastoral strategy of most American pastors today is
00:44:27.860your people are being attacked. Well, I'm going to try to make the people attacking them
00:44:32.400feel good. That's what they do. I want to make the people attacking them say,
00:44:37.660that pastor, you people are terrible, but your pastor is okay. That's the strategy that they
00:44:42.940have yeah and it and and you look at it like one of the things that i i read about in the book is
00:44:49.260you know kind of strategies of of confrontation and going on offense and how how i mean it looks
00:44:55.260differently for for your situation in life you know it looks different where you live whether
00:45:00.020you're in you know the city or in the country or in the suburbs um what kind of career that you
00:45:05.340have you know if you work for a fortune 500 company versus whether you work for yourself
00:45:09.440And so a lot of people, they can't, you know, just, just by virtue of like need to feed their family, they can't be as bold as, as I can be as a pastor.
00:45:21.220They can't, you know, they can't post things online, at least with their own name.0.59
00:45:24.740They can't, they can't even like publicly very often live in this bold Christian way.
00:45:30.180They have to keep their heads down and be quiet if they're working at a, at a big giant company, but their pastor, right.
00:45:36.940should be a guy that isn't it he doesn't draw a paycheck from someone sensitive to pr right at
00:45:44.300least he shouldn't if he does like you need to get out of that church yeah but if if if he's isn't
00:45:50.380sensitive to like public relations and and you're getting canceled and and doxed and all this kind
00:45:55.680of stuff and then having a firestorm of of hate having having vice news do an article about his
00:46:00.760church or something that doesn't if that's just water off of a duck's back to him as it should be
00:46:05.300he could be the one that's that's like that it's like that soldier me it's that poorly drawn
00:46:10.520soldier me and it's like got all the arrows and fire you're falling down like he's protecting
00:46:15.040his people he's the one that could take those bullets uh for his people and because if he
00:46:19.580doesn't nobody is going to you know like that's and that's what the pastor like he's he's in a
00:46:23.760position that's not sensitive to this at all where he he can't be canceled um and that's the trap
00:46:29.900Yeah. That's the trap is that you get this like wanting to be seen as reasonable to an unreasonable people like to that, to the world, the leaders, because they do pastors and leaders tend to deal in words and ideas.
00:46:43.700And, you know, there's a very real temptation to want to go into the Areopagus and be seen as totally reasonable to the Epicureans or to go and want to be seen as, wow, he's he's really a careful thinker.
00:46:56.180He's not one of those ham-fisted evangelicals that just thinks down with the gays and stop, you know, and take away a woman's right to choose.
00:47:06.600And what you're doing is you're just, you're trying to be seen as reasonable to the people that literally are, they worship demons, whether they know it or not.
00:47:16.540It's really this, if you look at the story of the way that God works in church history, right?
00:47:21.480You have Acts where Peter gives the Sermon on the Mount and he's like, you people murdered him.
00:47:36.940The act of the Reformation with Luther and that very small band, special forces, if you will.
00:47:43.760So it seems like throughout history, God uses a very small group of men who are faithful and seemingly very aggressive at the risk of their own life to actually make changes, which is why I love your story about being in Waseca, Minnesota with 30 people at your church or Doug Wilson with, you know, 1500 members of his church or whatever.
00:48:07.860And there are pastors who have 30,000 members at their church and you guys are out punching your weight class. And I think it's because, correct me if I'm wrong, because of this, the potency of the gospel of the kingdom of God and the aggressiveness in which you're approaching this instead of just merely being defensive and placating and things like that.
00:48:31.920Yeah, it would be one thing if, you know, if we were living in, you know, I know you guys have talked about like Aaron Wren's, you know, positive, neutral and negative worlds before.
00:48:43.040And if we're living in a positive world 150 years ago, where everybody we're arguing with, more or less, is one degree or another of faithful Christian, even at least nominally, where they have to mail it in and pretend to be Christian, that's a totally different world than where we are now.
00:49:09.120you know you're living in positive world you could go to harvard and argue with unitarians0.53
00:49:13.380about stuff and and and treat it like the areopagus like that's that's that's just the
00:49:18.520thing it's like even even paul like people want to say like oh well the like pagan ancient paganism
00:49:23.140is the same as today and it's i think today is actually worse it's far worse like the the
00:49:29.760ancient greeks they like paul had some point at which he could reason with them and argue with0.84
00:49:36.220them and right and they're they're still operating in the same world right they're still living like
00:49:42.260they're living in a world where where they're they're where reality still exists where they
00:49:47.520have their where they're where they're forced to to live within reality i mean they it's flawed
00:49:52.020because they they too worshipped demons they too worship you know the greek gods which were demons
00:49:57.660but it's it's it's a flawed world it's it's it's marred it's messed up what the world we live in
00:50:04.040today is, is a world that's inverted. It's the opposite of reality. It isn't, it isn't just like,
00:50:11.500ah, they get a couple of things wrong. Like this is, this is, here's where their logic is incorrect
00:50:15.680where we can correct them a little bit. It's, it's, we're not even living in the same universe.
00:50:20.100They, they, their perception of reality is, is opposite of, of this. It's, you know, I say in
00:50:26.120the book, something like, maybe they'll stay in there. Maybe not. I don't know. But we're still
00:50:31.580on the editing stage it's it's like this people who have had this like massive public works project
00:50:37.920uh where they spent trillions of dollars to try to make the mississippi river flow north
00:50:42.540and and it's not like and they're looking at it's like oh it's flowing north right now look at that
00:50:49.440we uh we we got what's working but at a certain point like gravity is happens like reality still
00:50:56.860is real and it's going to flow south again no matter how many trillions they pour into this
00:51:01.780boondoggle right that's that's what this is and and so like yeah you can like you can and like0.89
00:51:08.420the really the i mean i focus on this a lot of the transgender stuff because it's just it's just the0.92
00:51:14.320like i think it's a it is an inflection point in in our society where it's where it's like okay i
00:51:21.040can see how people can be you know psyoped into believing that like homosexual relationships can
00:51:27.020just are just like heterosexual ones where it's just oh you could have a you could have a marriage
00:51:31.040and and they can love you know they can they can love each other um which is not i mean that's not0.59
00:51:35.520the homosexual lifestyle at all and you see this kind of with the monkey pox right now where it's0.84
00:51:39.040like right oh like like they have dozens or hundreds of of sexual liaisons yeah it's like0.95
00:51:47.880And even – I remember when Doug debated – I was there in Moscow when Doug debated Andrew Sullivan.
00:51:53.680And even Andrew Sullivan is like the guy who pushed gay marriage on the country was saying like, well, you can't expect us to be monogamous.
00:52:04.240Like even he is like, yeah, basically every gay marriage is an open marriage is essentially what he's saying.
00:52:10.500It's like – but people like – people could be deluded into believing that it's the same thing.
00:52:15.200Like there could be enough Hollywood propaganda, enough Will and Grace TV shows and Ellen DeGeneres and all this kind of stuff in the 90s and onward that they could think, oh, love is love.
00:52:25.160it's this it's no big but when you get to the point where you have to like look at this very
00:52:31.240ugly man in a dress named richard levine and call you know admiral levine um rachel it's like or or
00:52:39.280the women's you know national uh ncaa uh women's swimming champion william thomas and who's like0.96
00:52:47.020a foot taller than all the other like it's just this grotesque absurdity right that's a man baby
00:52:52.200yeah yeah it's like you you can see this stuff and it's like they do these things um and people
00:53:02.400people see it it's like okay that's we're past the point of no return it's like the obergefell
00:53:07.040opened the door to this stuff like everybody said it would everybody who knew what was going on said
00:53:11.160it would and so now i think people are much more vulnerable to maybe they were right about this
00:53:16.400thing this many steps down before and it i mean it even goes back to the mid-20th century where
00:53:22.260where the distinctions between men and women are are torn apart like you have to back way up and
00:53:27.960say because a lot of these people think like oh if we could just go back to america the way it was
00:53:33.080before kim kardashian stepdad you know stepped outside in a dress uh in like 2015 if we could
00:53:39.000go to like the day before that then everything will be good and it's like no it's not how it
00:53:42.680works. Like you're, you're on a, you're on a roller coaster going downhill. Like you can't
00:53:46.800just stop like halfway down and say, that's where we want to be stuck in history. Like you have to
00:53:51.840get before it goes over the edge and you gotta identify where the edge is. And, and, and you
00:53:57.220look at the way that people live today. And this is a lot of the theme in the book is the way that
00:54:01.960people live today. It's like the opposite of how human beings have lived everywhere on the planet
00:54:08.340for all of human history right they had there's husbands and wives there's families men are not
00:54:14.440thought of as the same as women everyone understood men are strong and big and and are made for
00:54:19.880killing and women are not uh they're made for making babies like this is just like you just
00:54:24.860look at biology like just basic biology you can understand this stuff but like modern technology
00:54:30.240modern uh modern philosophy modern ways of thinking have just has destroyed all of this0.98
00:54:35.360We think like, oh, we have penicillin now so we can cut off penises and make fake vaginas and so we can pretend that men are not women.0.99
00:54:43.500And it's just this grotesque absurdity.
00:54:47.520And so like a lot of it is just being in a position to be able to point that out and to live in such a way that is how our ancestors lived 400 years ago, more or less, except we have a little bit better technology.
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00:57:14.640I mean, maybe, maybe it's this year that it shakes apart because of the war in Ukraine
00:57:20.100or maybe some other, you know, tipping off point, but it cannot maintain itself. American power
00:57:27.120is the thing that sustains it. And the disaster in Afghanistan, I think, showed what a paper tiger0.84
00:57:33.280America is, that we just, we don't have, you know, the combat capability. I mean, some military guys
00:57:39.460would say, no, we still have the most powerful military in the world. And I think they probably
00:57:42.860have a good argument, the guys on the inside seeing it. But you also see, like, I remember
00:57:46.880seeing after january 6th where they brought in like the national guard and i mean the people that
00:57:52.480that were there were like morbidly obese like they had they had to make actually like triple x
00:57:58.400uniforms to fit these it was amazing and i remember just seeing them sit there like1.00
00:58:02.360just mowing down uber eats uh and i'm thinking like the russians and the chinese have to see0.94
00:58:08.280this too you know that they have television yeah like they have to see this too and see that like
00:58:14.300And also just see the stuff that we publicly know, that the combat readiness standards have to keep getting lowered.0.88
00:58:21.040We have to pretend that women are men, so we have to lower the standards for them.0.80
00:58:25.180And we say, oh, we want women in infantry units or whatever, in combat units.1.00
00:58:29.520And so we lower, lower, lower the standard.
00:58:31.220And I don't know if you guys saw that Twitter thread from some military recruiter where he's like, we can't get any conservative, rural American people to join anymore.
00:58:39.600And it's like, well, I wonder why not, huh?
00:59:13.640Okay. I just wanted to make sure it's the gay. Yeah, it absolutely is. I mean, that's, that's why people made that acronym. I didn't come up with it myself, but it's, it's more, so like global homo is, is more all encompassing just for a definition of the whole ideology, this whole like revolutionary left wing ideology, which seeks to subvert and destroy everything good and beautiful.1.00
00:59:40.140yeah but the gay is is more the globalist american empire is more this nexus of foreign policy elites0.96
00:59:49.100um major uh wall street corporations you know everything so like a good example um of of like0.82
00:59:57.380the gay is you know people will say well what's what's the war in ukraine about and if you talk
01:00:02.120to someone in dc they'll be like oh it's over democracy we want to maintain democracy in ukraine
01:00:07.060and putin is trying to destroy democracy and then it's like oh uh also vladimir zelinski is going to
01:00:12.820um unilaterally legalize gay marriage in ukraine like that like that's actually what it's about0.73
01:00:18.780like when they when they use the term democracy it's it's gay it's gae it's it's we want to make0.83
01:00:25.100the world safe for pride parades in kabul like that's what that's what the gay is um it's not1.00
01:00:31.420we we want to it's the stupidest thing ever too but it's but it's what they want to do is this1.00
01:00:39.000this the left-wing global homo culture they want to to colonize the world right they want they want0.99
01:00:46.700all of the muslim countries to have to submit to this i mean there's a reason why you know ilhan0.99
01:00:51.700omar is a state or a federal representative congressional uh congresswoman uh in my state
01:00:57.700even though like Somalis apparently like they don't actually like her because she's very left
01:01:03.380like she's pro-abortion she's pro-gay everything and and most Somalis are not but it's like it's0.66
01:01:09.760her job to make her people be pro-gay be pro-GIE and like that's that's the whole point is is to0.97
01:01:18.740export globo homo to the entire planet because what it does is it produces good consumers it1.00
01:01:24.700produces these atomized individualistic you know blobs that consume a bunch of soy and a bunch of1.00
01:01:30.800marvel movies like they want to turn everybody into you on the planet that's right yeah they
01:01:37.300want to turn everybody into the in the planet into these like marvel consumers that you see
01:01:43.000on reddit that want to go have brunch and have zero have zero children and and a pet dog moms
01:01:48.340across the planet like that's what they want and because like if you don't have kids right you can
01:01:54.280you can work a whole bunch and then you can spend a whole bunch of money on
01:01:57.320yourself. Like that's, it's the perfect consumer for, you know,
01:02:01.780these four fortune 500 companies. They don't want, right. They, you know,
01:02:06.360John Maynard Keynes, the, the homosexual economist that, that dominated,0.99
01:02:10.460his theories dominated the 20th century. You know, his whole,1.00
01:02:13.800his whole ethos is in the long run, we're all dead. So like it's,
01:13:47.820That's probably what's going to happen.
01:13:49.280But, you know, Hillsdale and New St. Andrews and other places like those could be our Harvards and Yales for the for the 21st and 22nd centuries.
01:13:58.920And so like that's the kind of stuff we have to do. And so along the same level, like, you know, is the you know, is the PCUSA going to be taken over by by right wing Christians?0.75
01:14:09.000Is the PCA going to be taken over by the road?
01:14:12.060Doesn't look too good, but can the CREC grow and take all of these churches and grow that way and plant new churches and bring these tens of millions of evangelicals that are desperate for leaders and give them leaders?
01:14:27.840In a sense, that is one way to actually conquer an institution, is to see the tipping point coming when that institution is going to be taken by leftists and say to everybody in it that is not on board with that agenda, well, come and actually join this institution that is going to ultimately make that liberalizing institution look silly in 10 or 20 years when it continues to embrace this and go into the dustbin.
01:14:55.040I mean, mainline liberal congregation, we are in a historic church building right now in Ogden, Utah, that we bought for a song in, what, 2016, 2017?
01:15:08.060Because the mainline started ordaining women.
01:15:11.100And their lady pastors walked through the halls a year later, and they said, oh, we remember when we were here.
01:15:16.940And we were like, do you know why you're not here?
01:15:19.460Do you know why you're not here anymore?
01:15:21.240It's because you have paws in the pews where you invite your dogs to church on Sunday and you have eight old ladies and one effeminate man doing the janitorial work for you because you abandoned the living God.
01:15:32.640And it's like, that's another way I think that you can, did we actually retake the Methodist Episcopal denomination that built this church?0.97
01:15:42.820No, but, but, you know, in a sense, the faithful men and women who did build that church a hundred years ago, we, we are actually more, much more continuing their legacy than, than the gays that, that inherited it and squandered their inheritance.0.94
01:15:58.460Yeah, exactly. That's, I mean, that's, that's, that's how we have to look at it. Like we can't be, we can't be attached to old wineskins so much. I mean, if we could take them, great. Like that's, I mean, there, there's some like, like the United States federal government or the, the state government of Minnesota. Yeah. I'd like to take those, you know, I don't want to set up like a parallel government in, you know, out of my basement.0.96
01:16:19.360But do I, do I think, you know, my Lutheran friends are going to take over the ELCA?
01:16:25.220No, I don't, I don't think they are going to do that.
01:16:27.860And so like, that's, that's just it.1.00
01:16:29.640Like the ELCA is going to die all of like when the, when the boomers that are still1.00
01:16:33.620there that don't realize how, how gay it is like that, most churches are just going to0.99
01:19:02.400Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's the thing, like, I think it's a lot of, I mean, a lot of this is just, is trusting the Lord and trusting him that, like, just doing the things that he has called us to, that he's always called Christians to do, to be faithful dads, to raise their families well, to be faithful moms, to raise their kids well, to worship faithfully, to preach the entire Bible.
01:19:32.400god's people like and you just keep doing that you know and like things are gonna happen like
01:19:39.720that's that's just it like if you but yeah that's the hard thing it's like just keep doing that
01:19:43.160uh that's that's the hard thing is you have you have this entire world 24 7 all day long every
01:19:51.460every possible direction is coming at you to to say don't be faithful right don't be a faithful
01:19:57.560dad don't be don't be a good father don't be don't don't raise godly kids uh be selfish care
01:20:03.640about only yourself don't care about your wife don't care about your husband uh don't care about0.64
01:20:08.260your children um they're a burden right they're inconvenience don't care about your your parents0.74
01:20:13.200uh they're an inconvenience uh don't correct care about your grandchildren right they're they're
01:20:18.020they're an inconvenience care about you know care about your retirement care about uh you know going
01:20:22.560on the beach going you're playing shuffleboard care about those things uh care about care about
01:20:26.800brunch right and getting to have fun with your friends don't care about any of that don't care
01:20:31.560about worship worship should be for you it should be the experience that uplifts you makes you feel
01:20:35.580good it's a worship experience oh yeah yeah yeah yeah the preferences of worship are yours not
01:20:42.380god's you know um and yeah i mean so yeah so so all of this stuff is to say like yeah it's really
01:20:50.300simple what we have to do but it's really hard it's really hard and god's people need encouragement
01:20:55.780to keep their hand on the plow, to keep going, just to keep doing day after day after day,
01:21:04.280the basic, simple, faithful things. And he will reward that, right? He will reward that in this
01:21:11.120world and, and identifying what those faithful things are, that it's not just, you know, me and
01:21:16.220my own personal relationship with Jesus. Like I have, I have little people that I have to care
01:21:21.780for that God has given me and, and, and has given into my family to disciple them.
01:21:27.340And it's not just me and my person, it's my, I have a tiny little kingdom that has to bend
01:21:46.880I mean, and, and, and again, sometimes it's, a lot of it requires wisdom.1.00
01:21:50.720A lot of it requires, right, you can't just go in there guns blazing like Leroy Jenkins, you know, if you're working at a global homo fortune 500 company, you might have to be very shrewd in how you exercise dominion in that place.1.00
01:22:05.200It might be just plundering the Egyptians, taking home a nice paycheck, paying and tithing it to your church, you know, supporting your family.1.00
01:22:13.520Like that might be just what God has called you to with that.0.94
01:22:19.580Yes. Yes, precisely. Asymmetrical warfare. You're taking their money and you're pumping it into an organization that is going to ultimately destroy them.
01:22:29.300Yeah, that's what they've done to us for the last 50, 100 years. So now it's time to turn the tables up.
01:22:35.220Amen. Well, Andrew, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for coming on.
01:22:39.880Uh, where can our listeners keep up with you, find out more about your work and just kind
01:22:45.560of have your, your, your, your words on their screen and your, your voice in their ears?
01:22:50.480Well, um, my writing, which is what I've mainly focused on, uh, right now, uh, for, for public
01:23:05.180Uh, so I, I have stuff there, uh, every week now.
01:23:08.960So that's, that's, that's been awesome.
01:23:10.400And the response to it has been, has been really, really good.
01:23:13.000I, I also post my, my sermons on there now getting, I have a backlog.
01:23:18.080I'm getting, getting the whole series of judges up on there.
01:23:21.540Um, finally getting video, you know, I'm not, you know, since it's a very tiny church,
01:23:25.380you know, we, we're not as technically proficient as you guys, you know, to be able to even
01:23:29.860like to do podcasts and things like, wow, wow.
01:23:32.360uh but uh we just got our video fixed yeah like it's been out for like a year so we're right yeah
01:23:38.400like having a camera is just really cool uh to be able to do that but it's a lot of work and
01:23:42.740and i'm trying to you know trying to get that out there because it's it's i mean i'm preaching to
01:23:47.300my people that are there first and foremost but it's also stuff like people don't people aren't
01:23:53.720being taught the bible like i i've i've had people tell me like i've never i've never had
01:23:58.580someone preach on the book of judges ever in my entire life. I've never, I've never even had a
01:24:02.340Bible study on it. And it's like, well, there's a reason for that. It's because everyone wants,1.00
01:24:06.740you know, the little pep talk, Tony Robbins kind of thing, little Ted talk. Um, they don't want to
01:24:11.920like actually dig into the Bible, but, uh, yeah, I have, I have that. I have a bunch of, I just did
01:24:16.840the gospel of Matthew last year, went through that whole thing. I have all that on, on YouTube and,
01:24:21.520and most of that on Gab, uh, Gab TV. Um, and so that that's, that's where a lot of it is. And,
01:24:26.760And stay tuned for an announcement about the book from Canon Press. Hopefully I'm able to get that all done and get that out there. I'd really like it to be kind of a, maybe even if it's so bold to say, a handbook of Christian nationalism. And then Vice News will do a story about my tiny little church with 30 people.
01:24:46.960Yeah, that should be the subtitle. That should be the subtitle. A handbook for a Christian nationalism.
01:24:52.260yeah i'll let the i'll let the editors know um but uh it's it's uh and that's that's there there
01:24:59.540really isn't i mean all you have what do you have written out there about christian nationalism from
01:25:03.160from a positive perspective nothing you have you have jesus and john wayne oh these terrible
01:25:08.780masculine guys want to be do masculine christianity oh no uh or you have these like uh
01:25:14.560samuel perry and all these guys that uh these nerds that are like oh no they're taking over
01:25:19.200And so I want to give a book that just, you know, that talks about God's kingdom and encourages people, right?
01:25:28.800I mean, it's the same kind of stuff that Doug often talks about where he's like, I just want to be a voice for the voiceless.
01:25:34.960You have all these guys that are working in Fortune 500 companies or whatever, working for places that they could get canceled and now their children starve that can't say anything.
01:25:43.560And they go to churches where the pastor can say something and they doesn't.
01:25:46.680And so I want to be able to write for those people, right, to encourage millions and millions of evangelical dads, especially, especially men, that your faithfulness is going to be the thing that brings this whole disgusting, horrible system down.