The King's Hall - November 21, 2025


El Cid: The Master of the Spanish Battlefield

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00:00:56.600 Have you heard the story of a great Christian nation
00:01:08.020 put under the heel of Muslim conquest?
00:01:10.520 A people driven from their lands
00:01:12.220 at the point of bloody Arabic swords,
00:01:14.740 forced to face the terrible choice
00:01:16.400 of apostasy and subjugation or death.
00:01:19.860 Alas, this is no fiction,
00:01:21.960 but a very real chapter from the bloody annals
00:01:24.480 of the Western story.
00:01:25.680 and one which grows more and more relevant to us by the day.
00:01:29.240 As we see the slow motion conquest of Europe and the UK by Muslim immigrants,
00:01:34.560 it is essential that we learn our own history,
00:01:38.220 that we don't fail to read the grim results of failures of this kind.
00:01:42.760 So whether you're listening right now on your drive to work,
00:01:45.720 as you mow your lawn, or maybe trying to hit a new PR in the gym,
00:01:49.200 let me tell you a story that is equal parts frustrating and glorious.
00:01:53.480 A story that can bring you to great hope and great despair.
00:01:57.980 The story of Spain's downfall and resurrection.
00:02:01.340 Of exile kingdoms forged in mountain wilderness.
00:02:04.440 Of desperate stands, glorious victories, and terrible defeats.
00:02:08.860 And the story of the great Christian warrior,
00:02:11.540 remembered in history by the name his very enemies assigned to him.
00:02:15.560 El Cid, the Lord.
00:02:18.100 After the Arabic Muslims had conquered all of North Africa in the 7th century,
00:02:22.320 they crossed the Straits of Gibraltar and set their sights on Christian Spain.
00:02:27.060 They were intent on extending their jihad against the Christians of Europe
00:02:30.320 by entering and conquering Spain.
00:02:32.840 Composed of African Arabs and Berbers, these people were known as Moors.
00:02:37.740 In the year 711 AD, a large Moorish force sailed to Spain and began their invasion.
00:02:43.940 The first to oppose the Muslims was Roderick, the king of the Visagoths.
00:02:48.060 The Visagoths were a Germanic people united under the rule of a king
00:02:51.820 and living within the Roman Empire during late antiquity.
00:02:55.580 Not much is known about Roderick, as he lived quite an obscure and hidden life to us.
00:03:01.000 What is mainly known about him was that he rallied his large army to engage the Muslims
00:03:05.840 when they first invaded Spain in 711.
00:03:09.080 Although Roderick and his men fought valiantly at the Battle of Guadalte,
00:03:12.500 they were soon routed by forces from the Umayyad Caliphate,
00:03:17.000 Commanded by Tariq ibn Ziyad, the Muslim chronicler Ibn Abd al-Haqqam said,
00:03:22.980 Never was there a more bloody battle than this,
00:03:25.660 for the Muslims did not withdraw their scimitars from them for three days.
00:03:30.220 For three days, following the Battle of Guadalte, the Muslims terrorized the Christian infidels.
00:03:36.040 After the Battle of Guadalte, the Muslims cut through Spain like a hot knife through butter.
00:03:40.720 At every opportunity, they razed towns, looted, and committed horrible sexual misdeeds,
00:03:47.360 including the indiscriminate rape of both women and men.
00:03:51.600 Again, Ibn Abd al-Hakam said the Moors went through Spain,
00:03:56.020 not passing a place without reducing it and getting possession of it for wealth,
00:04:00.480 for Allah Almighty had struck with terror the hearts of the infidels.
00:04:05.120 Historian Raymond Ibrahim relates an instance in which the Muslims
00:04:09.300 employed their famous terror tactics.
00:04:11.860 Quote,
00:04:12.080 In one instance, the invaders, Muslims,
00:04:15.180 slaughtered, boiled, and ate,
00:04:17.280 or rather pretended to eat, their captives,
00:04:19.860 promoting hysteria among the Christians of Spain
00:04:22.640 that the Muslims feed on human flesh,
00:04:25.360 and thereby contributing in no small degree
00:04:27.680 to increase the panic of the infidels.
00:04:30.100 End quote.
00:04:31.180 The victory at Guadalete encouraged more and more Muslims
00:04:34.400 to sail into Spain
00:04:35.780 and conquer many of the capital cities within the Iberian Peninsula.
00:04:40.360 Because of the overwhelming influx of invaders,
00:04:43.540 there arose two options for Spanish Christians.
00:04:46.640 They could either remain where they were and conform to life under Islamic rule,
00:04:51.240 or they could continue their resistance and flee to the inhospitable mountains of Spain.
00:04:57.000 Some Christians chose to stay in their homes and fight to the death.
00:05:00.020 For example, one group of Spaniards in Cordoba fortified a church
00:05:04.640 and resisted Muslim attackers for some time,
00:05:07.540 refusing to surrender.
00:05:09.440 Several times, the Muslims offered them quarter
00:05:11.840 if they would conform to Islam,
00:05:14.120 but the Christians refused.
00:05:16.000 Eventually, the Muslims burned the church
00:05:18.300 and all the Christians perished in the flames.
00:05:21.420 The Chronicle of 754 sums up the affliction in Spain,
00:05:25.260 saying that the Muslims, quote,
00:05:26.640 ruined beautiful cities, burning them with fire,
00:05:29.880 condemned lords and powerful men to the cross,
00:05:32.680 and butchered youths and infants.
00:05:34.640 end quote. One man, Pelagius, was the sword bearer to Roderick and had survived the battle
00:05:42.140 of Guadalete. After the battle, Pelagius consented to be the vassal of a Muslim chief.
00:05:48.120 However, when the Muslim chief tried to rape Pelagius's sister, he reached a true breaking
00:05:53.580 point. Pelagius joined forces with hundreds of other persecuted Christians trying to survive
00:05:59.560 in the rugged Asturian Mountains.
00:06:02.500 Soon after he arrived,
00:06:03.960 the outcast Christians declared Pelagius their king
00:06:06.760 and the kingdom of Asturias was born.
00:06:09.880 It was the first Christian kingdom to rise up
00:06:12.100 after the Muslim conquest of Spain.
00:06:15.020 The kingdom of Asturias quickly became enough of a threat
00:06:18.260 that Opa, a Visagoth bishop who defected to the Muslim side,
00:06:22.440 was sent with a large army to eliminate Pelagius
00:06:25.740 and his kingdom altogether.
00:06:27.700 At first, Opa attempted a parlay with Pelagius.
00:06:31.880 Ibrahim records their conversation in his book, Defenders of the West.
00:06:36.360 Opa told Pelagius, quote,
00:06:37.640 If when the entire army of the Goths was assembled at Guadalete,
00:06:41.780 it was unable to sustain the attack of the Ishmaelites, meaning Arabs,
00:06:45.640 how much better will you be able to defend yourself on this mountaintop?
00:06:49.680 To me, it seems difficult.
00:06:51.560 Rather, heed my warning and recall your soul from this decision,
00:06:55.520 so that you may take advantage of many good things and enjoy partnership of the Arabs, end quote.
00:07:02.160 Pelagius cried out angrily in return, quote, I will not associate with Arabs in friendship,
00:07:07.060 nor will I submit to their authority. Christ is our hope that through this little mountain,
00:07:12.020 which he likened to the mustard seed, referenced in Mark, the well-being of Spain and the army of
00:07:17.820 the Gothic people will be restored, end quote. Instead of submitting to the Arabs, Pelagius
00:07:24.280 chose to make what many sane men would have considered a brave but futile last stand. That
00:07:30.280 said, the rocky terrain favored Pelagius' guerrilla tactics. Though it was reported that Pelagius had
00:07:36.620 as few as 30 men and 10 women at certain points during the conflict, and against all odds, the
00:07:42.280 Christians eventually prevailed over the Muslim attackers. Opa and his men, though a much larger
00:07:47.900 force, retreated and eventually dragged themselves to their homes in defeat. Unfortunately for him,
00:07:54.180 Pelagius' victory only brought about more conflict from the surrounding Muslims.
00:07:58.340 In 793, Cordoban Emir Hisham I sent an army of 100,000 soldiers to attack the Asturian kingdom.
00:08:07.420 These Muslims plundered and brutalized all the country on the way to Asturia,
00:08:12.160 raping women and seizing hordes of glittering treasure.
00:08:16.000 But when the Muslims reached Asturia, they were again turned away.
00:08:20.100 This was the first of several victories for the Christians that many have since described as miraculous.
00:08:25.960 In 844, for example, the Christians defeated the Muslims at a place called Clavijo.
00:08:31.600 At this battle, Raymond Ibrahim writes,
00:08:33.780 the Apostle James the Greater is said to have appeared on a snow-white charger slaughtering thousands of Muslims.
00:08:40.980 It may sound like a fanciful story to moderns,
00:08:43.300 But historians have not been able to find a more suitable natural explanation
00:08:47.720 as to how a far inferior Christian force should have been victorious in the battle.
00:08:53.580 It is because of this that James became known in Spain as Santiago Matamoros,
00:08:58.720 or St. James the Moor Slayer.
00:09:01.240 As Ibrahim notes, St. James would play a symbolic and inspirational role
00:09:06.000 in the remainder of Spain's wars against Islam.
00:09:09.220 By the 11th century, Pelagia's tiny Asturian kingdom
00:09:12.540 had evolved into the kingdoms of Navarre,
00:09:15.240 Leon, Castile, Aragon, and Catalonia.
00:09:18.400 At that point in the centuries-long battle
00:09:20.640 between Christian and Muslim Spain,
00:09:22.840 the frontier between the different kingdoms
00:09:24.680 was devastated by war.
00:09:27.180 The Christians, inspired as they were
00:09:29.420 by figures such as Pelagius and St. James,
00:09:32.180 refused to give in to Islamic pressure,
00:09:34.920 no matter how hopeless their cause seemed.
00:09:37.400 Because participating in a jihad
00:09:39.240 brought salvation to Muslims, however,
00:09:41.600 they had no shortage of men to throw into this never-ending war.
00:09:46.140 And so it was that by the dawn of the 11th century,
00:09:49.600 both sides seemed to be at a stalemate,
00:09:51.920 a product of two or three centuries of brutal warfare for both sides.
00:09:56.620 The Christians in the north slowly swelled their ranks,
00:09:59.780 preparing to take back their territory from the Islamic stranglehold.
00:10:03.720 But unforeseen circumstances arose
00:10:05.560 that prevented the Christians from acting on their plan.
00:10:08.860 A Muslim man named Muhammad bin Abi Amr arose to lead the Muslim peoples of Spain.
00:10:15.240 According to Ibrahim, he was extremely pious and meditated on the Quran before every battle.
00:10:21.140 Unmotivated by wealth or women, as many of his contemporaries were,
00:10:25.600 Amir set his mind to the singular goal of exterminating Christianity in Spain.
00:10:30.980 By contrast, the Muslims who had lived in Spain for a lengthy period had intermarried
00:10:36.100 and often conducted business and political affairs with the Christian population.
00:10:41.260 As a result, where Christian lords ruled,
00:10:44.140 there was often a great deal of leniency towards Islam,
00:10:47.160 a reality that would cause Amir to loathe his co-religionists
00:10:51.240 and label them as half-bred heretics.
00:10:54.460 The native Muslim population had also grown worldly by the standards of zealots,
00:10:59.440 and their primary motivation was centered around satiating sexual desires
00:11:03.540 and enjoying their baser appetites.
00:11:06.740 Today, we would probably identify Amir with radical Islam.
00:11:10.260 He was so devoted to jihad that he became known as the victorious one by his fellow Muslims.
00:11:17.660 He joined in a stunning 57 jihads, every single one of which was successful.
00:11:23.160 But unfortunately for Islam, he could not live forever.
00:11:26.500 He eventually died, and the Cordoban Caliphate splintered in 1031.
00:11:30.840 one. Spain was then ruled by a collection of around 30 kings, most of whom had small visions
00:11:36.800 and petty quarrels with their peers. And so around this time, the Christians saw their chance.
00:11:42.760 They moved as quickly as they could under the leadership of Ferdinand the Great. Known as a
00:11:47.840 God-fearing man, he began the Reconquista and subdued several of the minor Muslim kingdoms.
00:11:54.020 In God's providence, things began to turn back in favor of the Christians. These were the state
00:11:59.320 of affairs leading up to the birth of the man who would be called El Cid, which means the Lord in
00:12:05.720 Arabic. Providing this backdrop is crucial to understanding the geographical, political,
00:12:11.820 and religious context into which El Cid was born. The legendary figure of El Cid was born Rodrigo
00:12:18.320 Diaz de Vivar in 1043. He was the son of a minor noble in the town of Vivar, which was near the
00:12:25.000 city of Burgos, the capital city of Leon Castile, a Christian kingdom in Spain. Rodrigo was raised
00:12:31.400 in the arts of war by his father. Once of age, he was knighted and enlisted in the service of
00:12:36.840 Ferdinand the Great before being assigned to serve Ferdinand's eldest son, Sancho. A capable leader
00:12:42.760 adept in the military arts, he had risen to become the standard bearer for Sancho at just 23 years of
00:12:49.180 age, the second in command in terms of rank and position. He was apparently quite a force to be
00:12:54.560 reckoned with. According to Raymond Ibrahim, he received the nickname of El Campeador,
00:12:59.980 Old Spanish for the master of the battlefield, from his own people. All of his notoriety among
00:13:05.600 friend and foe would cause a jealous hatred of Rodrigo in Ferdinand. The chronicler Juan de
00:13:11.960 Mariana said this about him, quote, Rodrigo adventured with his own forces to make excursions
00:13:17.620 into the territories of the infidels and in battle overthrew five Moorish kings, but released them
00:13:23.620 upon condition that they should pay him a yearly tribute. At this time, King Ferdinand was busy
00:13:29.140 in rebuilding the city Zamora, which had not been repaired since the Moors destroyed it.
00:13:34.140 It happened whilst the king was there, the Moors came to pay the tribute they had agreed upon to
00:13:39.580 Roderick Diaz and called him Sid, which in Arabic signifies Lord. All this was done in the presence
00:13:46.300 of the king and his courtiers, whence many took an occasion to envy and hate him."
00:13:53.020 Rodrigo had taken the army given him by the king
00:13:55.560 and used it to subdue their Muslim opponents,
00:13:58.580 but he had done so largely on his own terms.
00:14:01.920 Instead of paying his superiors their tithe of submission,
00:14:05.340 the Moors paid Rodrigo,
00:14:07.140 on top of this, referring to him as the Lord.
00:14:10.420 Also not helping his cause was his controlled
00:14:12.860 but admittedly fiery temperament.
00:14:15.400 A historian named Louis Bertrand
00:14:17.340 said the following about Rodrigo, quote,
00:14:19.760 He was also a strong-willed and obstinate man who followed his path without deviating from it.
00:14:26.220 Fundamentally tempestuous and violent by nature, he learned how to hold himself in check.
00:14:31.540 He got the better of his enemies by a perfect mastery over himself,
00:14:35.400 even though he was sometimes subject to terrible gusts of passion.
00:14:39.580 He restrained them almost immediately.
00:14:41.900 This violent man was able to pass himself off as a man temperately moderate, end quote.
00:14:48.160 Raymond Ibrahim describes El Cid as being able to pass himself off in polite society,
00:14:53.380 yet also passionate for war, with no patience for the intricate social mannerisms of court life.
00:15:00.200 In fact, his ecstatic rage on the battlefield can be compared to the berserker Vikings that King
00:15:05.980 Alfred the Great faced. Those who knew him best said that his heart leapt with joy whenever he
00:15:11.760 entered battle. In stature of a very tall and sturdy man, his most distinguishable feature was
00:15:17.560 his long and flowing beard. So magnificent was his facial hair that enemies could not keep their eyes
00:15:23.780 off the beard. In fact, it struck terror into the hearts of the Muslims. And so for the better part
00:15:29.620 of a decade, El Cid terrorized Muslims on the battlefield without ceasing. In the year 1065,
00:15:36.360 the Christian fight against the Moorish presence in Spain took a detour. That year, Ferdinand the
00:15:41.680 great died. A civil war erupted between his three sons, including Sancho, whom El Cid served, and
00:15:48.260 another of the sons, Alfonso. In 1072, Sancho was assassinated and El Cid fell into the service of
00:15:55.640 Alfonso. As Ibrahim points out, theirs was an awkward relationship, mainly because El Cid fought
00:16:02.180 against Alfonso in the civil war and won most of their engagements. Ibrahim says of their relationship,
00:16:08.460 quote, far from doing what most other nobles would have done, ingratiate himself with his
00:16:13.180 new lord, during Alfonso's crowning ceremony in the church of Santa Gadea in Burgos,
00:16:18.680 Roderick managed only to further scandalize the soon-to-be king by compelling him to swear
00:16:23.600 publicly, thrice no less, that he had nothing to do with his brother's assassination. It was only
00:16:29.760 after Alfonso complied that El Cid, this man whose audacious sense of honor and loyalty would
00:16:35.700 continue to work against him more than once, finally knelt and swore fealty to his new lord.
00:16:41.340 End quote. It seemed for the first few years that Alfonso and El Cid would actually get along quite
00:16:46.860 well enough. Then quite abruptly, in 1081, Alfonso banished El Cid. Allegedly, Rodrigo conducted a
00:16:54.400 raid against Moorish kingdoms that normally paid tribute to Alfonso. An alternate theory is that
00:16:59.720 Alfonso was still upset about how El Cid treated him on his coronation day and just waited for his
00:17:05.060 chance at revenge. This, coupled with the fact that all of Alfonso's court advisors hated El
00:17:11.000 Cid, contributed to his sudden banishment. The great warrior was forced to leave his family
00:17:16.040 behind and wander alone. However, 300 of his soldiers chose to go with him in his exile.
00:17:22.680 El Cid tried to enlist himself and his men into the services of Ramon Berenguer II,
00:17:27.540 the Count of Barcelona, hoping to fight his Muslim enemies. But Ramon spurned him as a petty
00:17:32.880 cast off. His honor affronted, El Cid turned in anger to a Muslim king for refuge, a Muslim king
00:17:39.920 who was also Ramon's enemy. The king, Yusuf al-Mutamin ibn Hud, ruler of Zaragoza, gladly
00:17:46.780 accepted El Cid's services. In another part of the world, an actual partnership between a Christian
00:17:52.060 and a Muslim would have been nearly impossible. Their cultures and religions were simply too
00:17:56.420 different. It might also be confusing that a Christian man who had devoted his life to fighting
00:18:01.120 Islam would suddenly ally himself with one of its rulers. However, it was possible in Spain
00:18:07.080 for several reasons. First, after the fracturing of the Cordoban Caliphate, many of the little
00:18:13.120 Muslim kingdoms mellowed in their persecution of Christians. Second, many of the kingdoms had
00:18:18.700 become vassals to Christian kingdoms during the centuries of war between the two sides and so had
00:18:24.060 fairly amicable relations. Third, the northern kingdoms were racially intermingled with the
00:18:29.620 Spaniards, since most of the Islamic rulers were born to European slave girls. Ask me how that
00:18:35.520 happened. Ibrahim writes, quote, in short, for a destitute knight exiled by his king and spurned
00:18:42.200 by other Christian rulers to offer his services to the Moorish ruler of Zaragoza was far from
00:18:47.160 surprising and arguably reflective of loyalty to his native Castile, as Zaragoza was a sometimes
00:18:53.940 vassal of it, end quote. So we see that El-Sid proffering his services to a Muslim king actually
00:19:00.020 makes at least some kind of sense in this time. We see David in the Old Testament doing something
00:19:05.340 similar when cast out by King Saul, allying himself for a time to the Philistines. During
00:19:11.100 his time under the king of Zaragoza, El-Sid's fame as a brutal warrior would only increase.
00:19:17.420 Once Yusuf al-Mutamin told his counselors that, quote,
00:19:21.080 Roderick is a hard man, a very brave and invincible fighter,
00:19:25.180 such that I do not care to engage him in battle, end quote.
00:19:28.880 It was Yusuf and his whole kingdom that would refer to Roderick as El Sayyad or El Cid,
00:19:34.760 cementing the title that history would remember him by.
00:19:37.920 In 1071, a few years before exiling El Cid,
00:19:42.240 Alfonso had begun to take back Spain from the Muslims.
00:19:46.080 The Muslim chronicler, al-Makari,
00:19:48.520 describes Alfonso as a man of great resolution
00:19:51.620 who began to attack all those among the rulers
00:19:54.700 of al-Andalus who refused to pay him tribute.
00:19:58.640 Alfonso spent his time traveling the countryside of Spain,
00:20:02.040 collecting his tribute,
00:20:03.380 which he received every year as long as he lived.
00:20:06.560 Alfonso gained so much territory from the Muslims
00:20:08.780 and gained so much confidence by it
00:20:10.800 that in 1077, he declared himself emperor of Spain.
00:20:15.020 His greatest achievement came in 1085 after he banished Rodrigo.
00:20:19.340 At that time, which many consider to be the official start of the Reconquista,
00:20:23.700 Alfonso's forces captured the Moorish kingdom of Toledo.
00:20:27.200 The capturing of such a great city was symbolic to both Christians and Muslims
00:20:31.280 in a sign that the tides of war were again turning in the Christian favor.
00:20:36.400 Alfonso said this about the recapturing of the city.
00:20:38.880 Quote,
00:20:39.040 the city, by the hidden judgment of God for 376 years, has been held by the Moors who commonly
00:20:46.620 blasphemed the name of Christ. So I directed my army against this city, thinking that it would
00:20:52.060 be pleasing in the sight of the Lord if I, Alfonso the Emperor, under the leadership of Christ,
00:20:57.380 were able to restore the devotees of his faith, the city which wicked people, under the evil
00:21:03.140 guidance of their leader Muhammad had taken from Christians, end quote. This was just the start for
00:21:08.780 Alfonso. Al-Makari says that when the tyrant Alfonso saw himself master of Toledo, his nostrils
00:21:15.160 dilated with pride and he imagined that he could easily conquer the rest of Andalus. Despite his
00:21:21.540 conquest, Alfonso governed with a gentle hand, hoping to win the Muslim peoples to the Christian
00:21:26.760 faith. When that failed, he converted their mosques into churches. The Moorish kings of Spain
00:21:32.740 could not handle such treatment,
00:21:34.560 so they called on their brothers
00:21:35.720 across the Straits of Gibraltar.
00:21:37.880 These Muslims were known as Almoravids,
00:21:40.120 considered Muslim zealots,
00:21:41.740 and had their own empire in Morocco
00:21:43.540 and the Western Sahara.
00:21:45.520 The Almoravids were radical Muslims
00:21:47.400 whose entire existence was devoted
00:21:49.340 to waging jihad in Africa.
00:21:51.980 Raymond Ibrahim says that
00:21:53.540 they were what groups such as the Islamic State,
00:21:56.540 ISIS, aspire to be.
00:21:58.540 These Muslims, vast in number
00:22:00.360 and accompanied by horses, camels,
00:22:02.520 and the engines of war marched on Seville.
00:22:05.580 On paper, they could have easily rolled back
00:22:07.820 whatever gains Alfonso had achieved in Spain.
00:22:10.780 Of the Christian forces arrayed on the field,
00:22:12.840 Al-Makari said,
00:22:14.180 his warriors were clad in bright mail
00:22:16.100 and armed with sharp-edged swords
00:22:18.000 with steel caps on their heads.
00:22:20.160 They were animated with desperate courage
00:22:22.080 under broad pennants and fluttering banners,
00:22:25.020 looking like the black gathering of clouds
00:22:26.920 on a spotless sky.
00:22:28.780 One man was missing, however,
00:22:30.880 who might've made all the difference.
00:22:32.520 El Cid. A violent conflict broke out at Sagrahas on October 23rd, 1086, when Christian knights
00:22:40.100 attacked the front lines of Muslim forces. Encouraged by early success and the crumbling
00:22:45.100 Muslim front lines, the Christians mounted an even more furious forward assault. Yet Alfonso
00:22:50.820 had made a serious military miscalculation. Despite penetrating deep into enemy lines,
00:22:56.540 Yusuf had divided his forces into three groups. Now the other two groups attacked the Christian
00:23:01.740 rear, setting fire to their camp and putting them to the sword. Ordering a retreat, Alfonso's men
00:23:07.820 blundered into each other, and in the chaos, the Muslims began to thrust their swords into their
00:23:12.840 backs and their spears into their flanks. Yusuf released his elite African guard at just the right
00:23:18.640 moment, 4,000 naked black slaves armed with light blades, spears, and shields covered with hippo
00:23:24.760 hides, who recklessly charged Alfonso's location. They slashed horses' hamstrings and threw the
00:23:31.120 Christian forces into a panic. Severely injured, exhausted, and bloodied, Alfonso ordered the
00:23:36.980 remaining 500 of his men to retreat. It was a grisly, crushing defeat for Alfonso. Yusuf cut
00:23:43.940 off the heads of the slain and had them sent around Spain as a portent of what his reign would entail
00:23:49.140 for all who defied him. And so, a decade before his call for the Crusades in the East, Pope Urban
00:23:55.460 II called on the whole of Christendom to come to Spain's aid. Yusuf, meanwhile, had lost many
00:24:01.100 of his best fighters. His son, then in Morocco, had died, resulting in a rebellion that would
00:24:06.740 demand his return to Africa. However, the Moors in Spain were emboldened and largely stopped paying
00:24:12.780 tribute to their Christian lords. After the disastrous battle, Alfonso actually recalled
00:24:18.260 El Cid from exile. It was a widespread belief that if he had been at the battle, the result
00:24:23.680 would have been far different. Once again, in the king's good graces, Rodrigo smashed through
00:24:29.200 Moorish strongholds in Castile and Aragon. His onslaught was so violent that it is said that
00:24:35.020 no stone was left upon another, nor was there any sign of life after his work had been done.
00:24:41.020 Alfonso was so thoroughly overshadowed in glory by El Cid that he once again exiled the Christian
00:24:46.920 knight. This time, not only did he strip Rodrigo of all lands and titles, but also through his
00:24:52.840 noble wife and children in a dungeon for a time. Not long after, Yusuf returned to Spain and began
00:24:58.700 reconquering kingdoms. With his return, more radical Islamic leaders were put in place.
00:25:04.360 In 1090, the Amoravids finally took the stronghold of Aledo, near where El Cid was then active in
00:25:10.480 military efforts. Then, by 1093, virtually all the kingdoms were overrun by Islamic forces.
00:25:16.960 Only two kingdoms remained outside Yusuf's fold, Valencia and Zaragoza, both of which were under
00:25:22.720 the protection of El Cid. Thus began the most dramatic period in Rodrigo's life. Driven by a
00:25:29.260 sense of divine purpose, he told his comrades, a Roderick, referring to the Vizagoth king,
00:25:35.160 lost this peninsula, but another Roderick shall save it. El Cid's premier modern biographer,
00:25:41.460 Ramon Mendez Pidal, said that, quote, it was upon the Cid that the task devolved of resisting,
00:25:47.360 unaided, the whole might of Islam. After learning that his vassal at Valencia was assassinated,
00:25:53.380 El Cid's anger was kindled and his soul inflamed.
00:25:56.540 Ibrahim writes,
00:25:57.800 like a fierce storm, he came and with extreme violence
00:26:00.760 thrashed the Valencian countryside,
00:26:03.180 taking all the castles and suburbs
00:26:04.920 up to the city's very walls.
00:26:06.660 He fought so fiercely that the Moors were terrified
00:26:09.780 of the havoc he played among them.
00:26:12.380 Determined to succeed,
00:26:13.720 Rodrigo had a small town of fortifications
00:26:15.940 built outside the city walls.
00:26:18.240 He made it clear to the Muslims
00:26:19.580 that no mercy would be shown to them.
00:26:21.540 Those in the city sought his clemency, but he promptly and violently refused.
00:26:26.780 Yusuf, now back in Africa, sent letters to Rodrigo charging him not to enter the city.
00:26:32.640 Upon reading the dispatches, El Cid became even more furious.
00:26:36.560 He wrote scathing letters of his own back to Yusuf.
00:26:39.460 Meanwhile, the Moors in Valencia expected Yusuf to march with a large army, which did finally come.
00:26:45.580 The approaching army created a tremendous dust cloud,
00:26:48.660 which compelled Rodrigo to destroy all bridges leading to the city.
00:26:53.040 He also flooded the countryside with water from the canals
00:26:56.000 so that only the strip of land upon which he stood was dry.
00:26:59.920 The next morning, the Muslims in the city saw that the army had abandoned Valencia.
00:27:05.020 Rodrigo thus surrounded the city with his great army and closed the vice around it.
00:27:09.840 A great darkness spread about Valencia as no hope would come for those within its walls.
00:27:15.120 The famine had reached such devastating proportions
00:27:17.440 that the poor were driven to eating the flesh of human corpses.
00:27:21.660 The city had no choice but to capitulate to the Campeador,
00:27:24.820 or master of the battlefield.
00:27:26.820 Having stopped the Muslim invasion,
00:27:28.740 Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar would be afterward known as Prince Roderick Campeador.
00:27:34.640 El Cid would fight in many more battles that left his body scarred and battered,
00:27:38.840 valiantly defending Christendom on its westernmost borders.
00:27:42.600 He died on Sunday, July 10th, 1099, age just 56.
00:27:47.460 News of his death cast a dark shadow over Christendom
00:27:50.180 in the midst of the triumph of the First Crusade
00:27:52.520 and victory over Jerusalem.
00:27:54.620 In fact, upon learning of his death,
00:27:56.860 the Saracens mounted an attack on Valencia,
00:27:59.620 which was eventually reconquered
00:28:01.100 by Yusuf's forces in 1102.
00:28:03.760 Yusuf would die, age 96, in 1106,
00:28:06.800 and Alfonso would die in 1109 at the age of 79.
00:28:10.800 Nonetheless, El Cid would forever remain a national hero.
00:28:14.680 He was never defeated, not even once,
00:28:17.300 no matter the odds or situation.
00:28:19.740 His capture of Valencia was truly unmatched
00:28:22.180 in the history of war.
00:28:23.660 He did what no living king could have done
00:28:25.700 by ousting the Islamic forces.
00:28:28.120 Perhaps most importantly of all,
00:28:30.120 El Cid showed following generations
00:28:31.980 that the African armies were not invincible.
00:28:35.340 Ibn Bassam, a contemporary,
00:28:37.600 said that El Cid was an insufferable tyrant
00:28:39.860 that filled all Muslims with fear.
00:28:41.920 He wrote, quote,
00:28:42.940 his intense ambition, his lust for power
00:28:45.280 caused all to tremble.
00:28:46.860 Yet this man who was discouraged of his age
00:28:49.420 was by his clear-sighted energy,
00:28:51.640 his virile character and his heroism,
00:28:54.040 a miracle among the great miracles of the almighty,
00:28:57.060 end quote.
00:28:58.460 What might we learn from the story
00:29:00.000 of this great Christian warrior
00:29:01.460 and the people he fought for?
00:29:03.400 What warnings, what inspiration?
00:29:06.080 Does the Reconquista teach us anything
00:29:08.020 about our own day and time?
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00:33:22.720 Well, welcome to this episode of the King's Hall podcast. I'm one of your hosts, El Cid,
00:33:26.900 Eric Kahn. Did you like that? You can't name yourself El Cid. Oh, dang it. I didn't realize
00:33:33.260 that was the rule. You can be, no, you'll be El Cid. I'll be El Campiador. Yeah, that's fine.
00:33:38.680 which was like a drill instructor i've i've learned yeah brian silvey um el campbell this
00:33:45.120 is super related but recently we were discovering that your people are featured in a gordon lightfoot
00:33:51.460 song oh yeah yeah of course the legend lives on from the chippewa down the big lake they called
00:33:55.700 gichigumi yeah so really you're famous because of gordon lightfoot that's a take way singer yeah
00:34:02.260 canadian folk singer gordon lightfoot talking about my people and the ojibwe language which i
00:34:07.200 have an extensive knowledge of i can say such phrases as gitchy gitchy makadekwe which means
00:34:13.660 big big black woman wow so that's very pretty useful i can i can get around the res i can get
00:34:20.380 around the res the res people have no idea but um the genius contained in one basement in ogden
00:34:27.460 is we're sort of there's a little bit of add just a little bit um one of the things that i love
00:34:35.240 about uh the king's hall podcast uh other than myself being on it um but also having you here
00:34:40.940 and we what a transition what's going on what a transition uh we do after hours and we do if you
00:34:47.940 think this is unhinged and unfiltered just wait just wait just wait uh we are going to be talking
00:34:55.960 about in this episode whoa whoa he's dropping his stuff everywhere too much coffee uh yeah is a
00:35:04.900 christian nation possible so recently there was a ex post from larry arn who's the president of
00:35:10.640 hillsdale college supposedly a bastion of conservatism who said to kevin de young that
00:35:15.740 a christian nation is not possible because brian bear with me because jesus kingdom is not of this
00:35:22.780 world this is where brian says boss i'm tired boss i'm tired boss why why why
00:35:34.900 But anyway, that's really truly inspirational levels of theological clarity and proper application of that passage to a modern situation.
00:35:48.240 I wonder where their money comes from.
00:35:49.500 So we're going to talk about that in After Hours is what I mean.
00:35:51.320 Yes, we're going to talk about that.
00:35:53.080 Join us on Patreon.
00:35:53.840 Last one.
00:35:55.000 What did we talk about?
00:35:56.420 Oh, man.
00:35:56.940 Didn't we talk about?
00:35:57.960 Oh, we talked about how you just are so self-controlled. 1.00
00:36:02.600 Oh, we talked about those ladies.
00:36:04.360 the ladies the the catholic ladies oh those catholic priests they're so virile they're so
00:36:10.720 celibate they're just like openly lusting after this he's this one can't like priest i guess
00:36:18.860 he actually that that guy has like the biggest podcasts like in the religion spirituality
00:36:23.860 category yeah yeah yeah he's we've gotten haunted cosmos prior talk we've gotten within six of them
00:36:29.700 it's not i think it's uh something like mike priest mike priest mike yeah there's another
00:36:36.660 one i actually followed on instagram he was like a steroid juicing uh bodybuilder isn't that the
00:36:44.040 same guy no different well they're i think they're both there's two different guys yeah
00:36:48.640 the one is like european maybe spanish maybe italian who's to say who's to say he's got a
00:36:57.400 funny accent but he yeah i know like all his posts on instagram were like him in skin tight shirts
00:37:03.180 like posing and you're like right my guy my guy you're supposed to be a celibate can you imagine
00:37:10.540 what else did could have accomplished with some trend oh dude i mean there was one chronicle where
00:37:15.560 he cut a guy in half i don't know if you know this uh this is actually factual when they went
00:37:21.620 to develop trend they actually used uh dna found in mosquitoes that had bitten lc you heard it first
00:37:31.780 here folks there was like a little amethyst crystal this old guy had it on the end of his
00:37:36.960 this old guy had it on a walking stick just as a yeah yeah that that checks out that sounds factual
00:37:46.700 i i believe this i believe it we're going to steal the declaration of independence i do believe that
00:37:53.940 that saint james descended from heaven on a white horse and killed a bunch of muslims i think if you
00:38:00.280 don't believe that you're just stupid if you don't believe that you're probably just engaging
00:38:05.780 in materialist cope or muslim cope one of the two yeah i mean that yeah that could be on haunted
00:38:10.840 cosmos it's true i forget what this episode is um it's uh well it's about a man whose title you
00:38:19.320 have taken upon yourself el campeador el say it say god or whatever it is it is funny by the way
00:38:26.420 we'll give the listeners a little sneak peek yeah martina mcbride our producer was helping us
00:38:33.320 pronounce spanish words and laughing at us yeah and we tried at some point brian said yo quiero
00:38:41.060 taco bell i did to prove that i can do it i can say spanish words yo quiero taco bell bring back
00:38:47.300 the good commercials yeah that's right uh speaking of bringing back good things uh the reconquista
00:38:52.960 yeah let's talk about it um you know i grew up hearing about how bad the reconquista was
00:38:58.920 and how peace loving and good the muslims were they did um love to do things to young boys
00:39:08.200 is that what you mean peace loving things well i at one point in the outline it probably won't
00:39:17.000 make it but in the cold open i had inserted that the muslim homosexuals because they're like going
00:39:23.840 on and on about his beard about el said's beard they're like oh his beard and i'm like i know what
00:39:29.080 they get get up to they're probably lusting after el said they called it a turkish disease because
00:39:34.160 they were muslim homosexuals but but i repeat myself yes yes indeed and it is seriously look
00:39:40.640 up what they do to young boys over in those muslim countries yeah even we we mentioned that there was
00:39:44.420 a lot of intermarrying happening oh yeah intermarrying that's a strong really that's a strong
00:39:48.760 That's a creative way of putting it.
00:39:50.500 Yeah. 1.00
00:39:50.740 Sex slavery, where they would capture Christian peoples and take all the attractive women and make them sex slaves and then have all of their main royal lines through their sex slaves. 0.96
00:40:01.400 Marriage.
00:40:01.680 So that eventually the Muslim rulers were just Europeans or in this case, Spaniards.
00:40:07.620 They were just like, that's, that was what they did to the point that, didn't we talk about it on some of the Crusades episodes that it was estimated that like 90% of the genetic line of some of these royal.
00:40:18.760 families was just european yes there you go folks that's messed up right there yeah that's messed up
00:40:25.340 uh so the reconquista i think it's helpful to maybe go through some of the history and
00:40:30.180 why it's important i also think you know as we're going through you were reading the cold open i was
00:40:35.040 thinking about this history is not linear right so people can look at it and you can think about
00:40:41.900 america like we were great then we were bad but it's really cyclical um the reconquista in many
00:40:48.560 ways gives me hope that america could be reconquered for christ um which is sad knowing
00:40:53.940 that you can't actually have a christian nation uh larry arn yeah well i mean i had hope after i
00:40:59.680 read the cold open and then you told me that and now we're about that we are so cooked and we're
00:41:04.140 cooked we're cooked but let's say we weren't if we look at the uh reconquist yeah uh so maybe if
00:41:11.940 you just walk us through this a little bit i've got some notes here it's helpful to me i don't
00:41:16.200 know if the listeners are like this, when I'm thinking about some particular character like
00:41:20.420 El Cid, and we're going to talk more about El Cid, I'd like to have a picture of how
00:41:24.840 the whole timeline works together, his part in it, even up to today. So there's two parts to
00:41:32.560 really think about in terms of this story, two parts of the story. We have the Muslim conquest
00:41:36.900 of Spain. So this is unfolding over a period of time in the 8th century, the 700s, when the Muslims
00:41:43.980 invade spain the the berbers the moors they they invade spain and they're doing this because trade
00:41:50.820 routes have been so cut off that they basically had to go on this very difficult impossible sea
00:41:57.200 voyage at the time or they had to conquer spain and so they said let's go conquer spain and since
00:42:03.900 the uh muhammadan religion is explicitly a raiding warlike religion it has explicit
00:42:14.460 like a lot of the quran is is just talking about how to engage in holy war it's not difficult for
00:42:22.020 them to raise armies because they just say to the people do you want to go to heaven go die in this
00:42:28.080 jihad and then they would raise a huge army of you know hundreds of thousands sometimes so they
00:42:33.340 come and they they basically rapidly conquer spain um under a few different leaders they
00:42:39.380 consolidate the this is from like 7-11 to 7-18 so very very quickly uh and then from that point
00:42:46.880 on you see we call this the big gulp invasion the big gulp invasion of 7-11 oh it's a 7-11
00:42:52.740 wow that's a deep cut deep cut that that added a lot actually
00:42:57.100 i'm here that really did add a lot and then there's various times like where the reconquista
00:43:04.840 started is disputed by by different people a lot of people say that ferdinand's um consolidation
00:43:11.400 is kind of the beginning some people put it later but there was immediate resistance through this
00:43:16.040 whole period where you had various you know over hundreds of years then the 700s 800s 900s even
00:43:22.700 into the the year a thousand there was basically large scales widespread subjugation some of the
00:43:30.160 christians submitted and paid the jizya which is the muslim tax to become don't look at me like
00:43:36.360 that don't look at me like that don't give me that it's their word that they said i'm just being
00:43:43.620 historically factual here and so they they would basically become vassals and they had to do all
00:43:50.760 sorts of stuff like basically they couldn't build churches they couldn't they had to give large
00:43:56.140 taxes to their muslim overlords etc etc some of the christians fought to the death some were
00:44:02.460 subjugated and then some fled to the mountainous region and this is like if you picture spain
00:44:08.120 this is in the northwestern quadrant so this is pelagius yeah pelagius and kingdom of asturia
00:44:15.240 forms out of this the reason that they were able to do this is because the northwest part of spain
00:44:20.140 this mountainous region was like almost impossible to live in it's mountainous it's kind of barren
00:44:26.000 it's sort of a reminiscent of like the taliban oh yeah on the other side like you're gonna flee to
00:44:31.220 a mountain area that's very hard to attack yeah nobody could nobody could live there surely yeah
00:44:36.180 so they live there they fight yeah they fight back it's it's it's reminiscent in a slower motion
00:44:41.840 um version of king alfred and athelny when he goes to the swamp and he's driven to the island
00:44:47.280 with just a few of his lords and obviously they drove pelagius and when we say pelagius it's not
00:44:52.900 that pelagius yeah i was gonna ask why he was a heretic it's not that pelagius is the the he was
00:44:59.240 um in early britain and he was a heretic that basically denied things like original sin
00:45:05.580 and other issues related to the nature of man and salvation this is not that guy he just has
00:45:13.940 the same name he at first submitted to the muslim rule but then at one point the guy was like yeah
00:45:20.900 we're gonna rape your sister and he was like actually no and so he takes off it's amazing
00:45:27.240 how many of these storylines too i mean you find them in almost every country in time period but
00:45:31.740 i mean it's very much like a brave heart oh yeah robin hood yep uh some people think those stories
00:45:37.740 maybe are the same or similar but you see these themes playing out you know david with his mighty
00:45:43.340 men fleeing uh to a secure location in the wilderness yep um and uh just just really
00:45:50.420 interesting i think one of the things that the history teaches me as i'm reading this i think
00:45:57.460 again non-linear but also just understanding the way that you can have expectations for your life
00:46:04.180 like you you may do great things pelagius does great things and inspires future generations of
00:46:09.780 to fight back but he doesn't see total victory in his time period yep and there's still a lot
00:46:15.560 to happen obviously we get into you know ferdinand and alfonso and el sid yeah there was
00:46:20.820 but even if you go past their time so 1031 uh you have the collapse of the cordoban caliphate
00:46:29.160 yeah like the basically unified conquering of spain by the muslims right devolves into the
00:46:33.840 which are these small muslim basically like city state kind of little little kingdoms rival
00:46:40.900 kingdoms but then it's really not until 1212 that you have kind of a turning point the battle of
00:46:47.440 las navas de telosa which is the way that you say that are you a native spanish speaker i actually
00:46:53.220 am wow that's great um so this uh greatly affects the muslim territory then you have
00:46:58.560 steady christian gains really 13th through the 15th another couple hundred years castile and
00:47:03.540 aragon uh which later they they wrote him into tolkien wrote him into a story to conquer most
00:47:12.080 of el andalus uh grenada remains the last muslim stronghold they're paying tribute then to castile
00:47:18.800 and then 1492 that's an interesting year the reconquista is completed yep so that's several
00:47:25.260 hundred years of getting the you know the muslims out of your country i also think too um you know
00:47:34.640 just think about the political situation you can apply it to today where you're like yeah we got
00:47:38.060 to get 100 million or more people out of america you better be committed to that task oh yeah it
00:47:45.780 reminds me even of some of what happened later in spanish history after 1492 you have the ultimate
00:47:51.680 consolidation of a spanish unified christian kingdom that ends up taking place yeah and and
00:47:58.880 then later they expel the jews but they also expel no okay i knew it i knew it yeah they they do they
00:48:08.240 end up expelling it's actually in this same time the jews and the muslims 1490s um there's an
00:48:14.000 expulsion of the jews both from portugal and from spain yeah it's really strange because right after
00:48:18.340 that both countries explode on the world scene
00:48:20.580 and become global empires.
00:48:22.380 I don't know if those two are connected, but-
00:48:24.040 Well, yeah, they expelled 200,000 Jews
00:48:26.060 who refused conversion.
00:48:27.140 And then they initially tolerated the Muslims
00:48:29.820 in the region who were known as the Mudejars.
00:48:33.160 And eventually though, they either forced them
00:48:35.880 to convert to Christianity or leave.
00:48:37.940 Because what happened was the Muslims
00:48:39.940 would pretend to convert sometimes,
00:48:42.040 but then they would continue to operate subversively in Spain.
00:48:45.560 Believe it or not, they would sometimes lie.
00:48:48.340 And they would just subvert and continually try to raise, it was, it was, what they didn't
00:48:54.160 want to happen is like, what happened to Egypt when God blessed Israel, who were like a lower
00:49:01.220 class people there, allegedly under the subjugation of Pharaoh.
00:49:05.340 But then Pharaoh wasn't wrong to fear that this great people that God is blessing is
00:49:11.160 going to explode in a different way.
00:49:12.960 the muslims they can grow in a nation and then the and all pretend to even be christians externally
00:49:18.740 and then the second they would have any sign of revolt or outside muslim conquering
00:49:24.000 a flip would switch and they would join the muslims and just conquer the whole region again
00:49:29.540 so when you think about everything spain did in the the centuries that followed from the 15th
00:49:36.120 the 15th century onward uh their great exploration they you know were in the americas they you know
00:49:43.580 going out the conquistadors all of that happened and all of it wouldn't have happened rather if
00:49:49.340 they hadn't successfully retaken their nation from the muslims yeah i mean consolidated a christian
00:49:56.800 empire there there's no mistake that the golden age follows really a consolidation of their own
00:50:01.840 people in the kingdoms within and i think it's it's uncomfortable today because of political
00:50:07.340 correctness um but but i was even noting yesterday on x i think it was eric weinstein and he was
00:50:13.420 talking about he said yeah it's really weird i've i've done a lot of research on immigration
00:50:16.760 and he said in every literally every country where immigration has been really pushed
00:50:22.980 he said it's never been a welcome practice to the people there right like the people are not
00:50:28.520 asking for it in fact they're oppositional to it and he said somebody's pushing it i don't know who
00:50:33.700 and i i think you can look at that and you can say okay well in one sense however you answer
00:50:41.500 that question we know that people are pushing immigration um and just flooding the countries
00:50:46.760 we've had this the last couple years flooding our borders with refugees right but literally the third
00:50:52.580 world and you just have to know that until you're willing to combat that problem until you have men
00:50:58.440 like el cid and ferdinand and alfonso and many men across generations who say we got a big problem
00:51:05.300 it's going to take a lot of work but we have to be a christian people um and it's interesting too
00:51:11.420 going back and understanding there's always this dynamic in the crusades time periods even before
00:51:17.540 that of you know the christians the jews and the muslims and these are complicated relationships
00:51:22.860 Yeah. So a lot of people fail to understand this, that it's like there's some battles where the Christians are fighting the Jews and there was a belief in Portugal and Spain that if you can believe it, that the Jews through money lending practices were subverting the people that oftentimes they were selling out the Christians to the Muslims.
00:51:43.940 and then you have the muslims playing both parties against each other so it's it is very complicated
00:51:48.980 it's not a simple wooden thing but i think you do have to realize that the christians did realize
00:51:55.260 in the reconquista like we got to put an end to that and what they're finding related to this
00:52:00.860 immigration conquest um like diversity versus uniformity in terms of even a people's ethnic
00:52:08.740 makeup in a nation, is that often the interest in allowing or permitting or working with
00:52:15.620 outside nations to bring in a large non-Native population, oftentimes the goal there is to
00:52:22.260 ultimately conquer the Native population because a Native population that is religiously and
00:52:28.080 ethnically and culturally and racially coherent, they're a people, and the story of that nation
00:52:34.260 is where these people who come from this people, these are our fathers, this is our God, these are
00:52:39.420 our customs, this is our culture. They bring in often a poor, much poorer non-native population
00:52:46.480 and they slowly work this poor non-native population through the population. Why? Because
00:52:52.640 it's much easier to manipulate and use that poor non-native population to ultimately undermine the
00:52:58.880 unity cohesiveness like a cohesive people like that is very difficult to conquer yeah but once
00:53:05.360 you slowly erode the unity of that nation with highly manipulable poor non-native people groups
00:53:14.160 that you ultimately end up with this huge growing club to hit the native population over the head
00:53:19.920 with it's what we're seeing in in the united states it's what we've been seeing since you
00:53:24.460 know not just the heart seller act but certainly since the heart seller act yeah i think massive
00:53:29.660 immigration of this kind i've seen the numbers in europe on even the last like 10 to 15 years on
00:53:35.040 i mean like over 10x increase in like rape of the native white population and yeah i think one of
00:53:43.300 the big questions in america is well we know that a reconquista can happen the question is would the
00:53:49.140 people have the will to do it and would we have the right leaders to affect that because you have
00:53:54.360 to understand like the will is everything else it and others had the will to do it and this guy
00:54:00.440 who was undeterred and if it meant going through the muslim towns and you know just squashing
00:54:05.740 rebellion by killing everyone uh he was willing to do that i don't see a leadership right now
00:54:11.200 that's willing to do that no i mean even what was that was it that lutheran pastor who said
00:54:15.380 this is almost a quote he said something like no i wouldn't want to um limit immigration in order
00:54:23.020 to protect my children from violent crime or my congregation yeah and this was allegedly a
00:54:31.640 christian position yeah it i hear that quote i'm just like you these kinds of leaders don't
00:54:38.520 understand political leaders and religious leaders they don't understand how insane that sentiment
00:54:45.180 sounds to just about everybody under 35 like males under the age of 35 particularly white
00:54:51.300 males under the age of 35 in america today they don't understand how obviously sinful and not
00:54:57.620 just wrong but obviously wicked that sentiment sounds yeah i think there's a mix i think you
00:55:03.240 have a lot of npcs who don't understand how badly they're being played but then i think there's a
00:55:08.380 lot of nefarious actors who very much understand what unfettered immigration is doing to a country
00:55:13.560 yeah um it kind of brings me to another point which is that the first stage of the resistance
00:55:20.220 was really Pelagius and it was kind of more of the like, we're going to batten down the
00:55:27.080 hatches and find a place to retreat to and just protect our heritage so it can survive.
00:55:31.420 Yeah.
00:55:31.980 So I think there's also will be stages to the resistance at first and then Reconquista
00:55:36.980 later.
00:55:37.900 Yeah.
00:55:38.260 And I think many in our time, I'm not sure, like I don't really actually see that we're
00:55:43.040 poised to do a Reconquista.
00:55:44.580 No, I don't think so.
00:55:45.520 So what I envision is that places like Ogden will sort of serve as, you know, the mountains of Asturias did where we're saying, look, we do want to fight.
00:55:56.080 We do eventually want to go on the offensive, but first we just have to protect what we have.
00:56:01.300 Yeah, that's a great point.
00:56:03.060 Build resources.
00:56:04.040 I don't know if you agree with that.
00:56:05.220 Oh, yeah.
00:56:05.820 And understanding that that period was hundreds of years.
00:56:09.080 Yeah.
00:56:09.300 Before the real Reconquista could happen, the Spanish Christians simply had to survive.
00:56:16.600 And in that period, I think it's important to note that there were several distinct types of Christian groups.
00:56:22.400 And all of them, at least many of them, were attempting to do their best and what was possible for them.
00:56:28.820 And then some of them were actively subversive.
00:56:31.280 You have like the people that fled.
00:56:32.880 And at first, again, Pelagius tried to just serve under the Muslim overlords.
00:56:37.220 he was like, well, what choice do I have? I guess I'm just going to join the court and do my best
00:56:42.640 here. Ends up coming to a breaking point and saying, I won't know, but I won't do that,
00:56:47.360 please. So you have many Christians who go there. You also have lots of Christians who submit
00:56:52.260 to the conquering and pay the tax and they don't build the churches and they do their best to
00:56:58.220 remain Christian, but under both persecution, but also intense manipulation, because all of
00:57:05.000 those laws are intended to suppress christian vitality yeah so you have in a regime like this
00:57:11.820 where people are being conquered by nefarious evil forces antichrist forces you will see many
00:57:17.740 christians submit not all the time willingly and often not even knowingly to the regime and just
00:57:25.760 do their best but their vitality is sapped away and then you see this third category well there's
00:57:31.260 a category that fights to death and dies. And then there's this, there's other category of
00:57:35.100 people like Opa, the Bishop who just joins the Muslims altogether and leads armies against his
00:57:41.180 own people. He, you know, he's the one who led the army initially against the kingdom of Asturia
00:57:45.560 and Pelagius and tried to get Pelagius to surrender. And Pelagius said, LOL, no. And then
00:57:50.080 one sends Opa back, but you have to like, kind of name which types of people you're dealing with
00:57:57.400 in order to know how to deal with them when you're in a tactical environment like this.
00:58:01.040 I think this maps onto our day in some important ways.
00:58:05.080 Yeah.
00:58:05.760 Yeah, I think that's really, really a good insight.
00:58:08.280 And I think that as we think about our roles, one of the things that's been helpful to me, we'll talk about El Cid.
00:58:16.520 I think he sort of typifies the great man theory of history that great men are the ones who are doing a lot of the work, the heavy lifting.
00:58:24.480 God seems to love to raise them up.
00:58:26.080 we think of this quote that even his enemy would call him a miracle among the great miracles of
00:58:31.460 the almighty. Yeah. Wild. Um, that what a great thing for your enemies to fear you, uh, in this
00:58:36.840 way. Uh, one question we might ask is could a man like this arise today? And, and, and I think could
00:58:43.000 is yes. I don't see it presently. No. Um, but it did remind me, this discussion reminds me of a
00:58:48.380 quote from Heraclitus and he said, out of every 100 men talking about a battle, 10 shouldn't even
00:58:53.700 be there 80 are just targets nine are the real fighters and we are lucky to have them for they
00:58:59.440 make the battle ah but the one the one is a warrior and he will bring the others back
00:59:04.860 um so just this idea that you have everybody in the fight isn't like there are really npcs
00:59:13.100 yeah um and you should expect that when you go out and you do the fight um when when you're
00:59:18.040 culture warring when we're building churches a lot of the people out there that you face in the
00:59:22.880 culture they're not leaders um we were even talking about this with the myers-briggs
00:59:28.800 um when you find entjs which are like life's natural leaders stuff like this it's like less
00:59:34.580 than one percent of the population so just understanding what you're dealing with and
00:59:38.920 what you're working with those people can be inspired and they can follow um and and maybe
00:59:43.820 this is kind of an interesting example i saw tim pool say this but he was like if taylor swift
00:59:49.460 and travis kelsey get married and have a kid because the majority of americans are npcs
00:59:56.300 there will be a birth boom that's crazy and so we'll see if that happens but it's kind of that
01:00:02.540 same theory like understanding who the great men are who to follow and social dynamics yeah like
01:00:09.300 understanding and it's important to be able to know where your nation and people are at in a
01:00:16.060 point in time to be able to understand the cast of characters and how they generally break down
01:00:21.520 in terms of percentages because these things tend to map on to similar similarly to many across
01:00:27.360 cultures and times where you will have some cultures that produce a higher percentage or
01:00:32.480 concentration of certain types of people that's certainly true or that values a certain type of
01:00:38.180 leader over another managerial leader say versus a great man type of lead you know you have different
01:00:43.980 cultures. But generally, these things map across times and places. So if you can figure out where
01:00:49.280 your nation is, how this breaks down, and then where you are, who am I? How did the Lord gift
01:00:56.100 me? Am I supposed to lead? Am I someone who ought to be one of the nine who is a warrior and I
01:01:03.400 follow the one? And a lot of the time, if you don't have that figured out about yourself, it's
01:01:09.560 really hard to know what to do in a time period yeah you see this all that like this was something
01:01:15.420 that came out of this might be a little bit of a departure but one of the failures of the young
01:01:21.280 restless reformed acts 29 type of culture was that it unduly convinced all men that they ought to
01:01:29.820 aspire to be what what was the alpha in that world which was the church planter and especially like
01:01:37.100 the Mark Driscoll, the Mark Driscoll type church planter, the entrepreneurial CEO type church
01:01:41.720 planter. And so most men, you know, aspired to that. And, and what it did though, is it
01:01:48.140 ended up installing quite a few people who had not had no business in that role at all,
01:01:53.900 going out and attempting it instead of many of those men ought to have been great supporting
01:02:00.280 figures, great, um, assistance, great, you know, second or third in command all the way down to
01:02:06.440 just great normal churchmen living, you know, Christian lives and their businesses and their
01:02:11.600 work, raising children. And fundamentally, one of the problems with that was a misdiagnosis of
01:02:18.080 both how the Lord lays out the landscape, how the percentages break down and where you fall in it.
01:02:24.220 And if you get that wrong, you will, you'll be like the guy who reads Romans 12, eight,
01:02:30.280 which says that you know those who lead lead with zeal and you will miss mistake that well
01:02:37.060 i'm supposed to be one who leads but a lot of people are wrong about that they're actually
01:02:42.600 not supposed to be the one who leads and so they they go and zealously try to do something that
01:02:46.860 they're not supposed to do and it actually just causes problems and so we were we were laughing
01:02:53.500 about this at the beginning when you you know when you called yourself el sid but but it actually is
01:02:59.140 important it is actually part of the point i'm making is that it's like we would tease mark
01:03:04.080 driscoll about this but like i am nehemiah his sermon series would be like today i'm preaching
01:03:09.280 on nehemiah the first sermon is i am literally nehemiah i am literally him but you're right
01:03:15.080 it's that it's that misdiagnosis and look i i think this can happen like as we go through
01:03:20.340 raymond ibrahim and you read about great men everyone can be inspired by them but even i
01:03:27.180 Like I read El Cid and I'm like, yeah, I'm not El Cid.
01:03:30.180 I'm not El Cid.
01:03:31.000 No.
01:03:31.180 Like people gave him the title.
01:03:34.380 People elevated him to the position because he zealously pursued the gifts that he had been given.
01:03:40.500 Yes.
01:03:40.880 And excelled in them because he, like, he was one of those guys that like the Lord smiled on him when he was being a knight.
01:03:47.300 And when he was being the leader of a warlike people, that was what he was made to do.
01:03:53.380 Tactically, militarily, physically.
01:03:55.120 um that was those were the gifts that god gave him and he zealously pursued them and others
01:04:01.420 elevated and recognized like to become the second in command of um sancho the second's army at 23
01:04:09.080 that tells you a lot about el sid there's something actually in that whole civil war
01:04:15.900 that i think is worth talking about a little bit maybe at some point in this episode some of the
01:04:21.480 dynamics and failures of Ferdinand the great and the brothers and what might
01:04:26.020 have been just with inheritance.
01:04:29.140 Yeah.
01:04:30.060 Well,
01:04:30.580 I think you and I were talking about this offline,
01:04:32.660 but this is a very real thing.
01:04:34.240 Like where the same thing happened with Charlemagne where his father doesn't
01:04:39.960 really appoint a King among the brothers.
01:04:42.300 Yeah.
01:04:42.800 So the brothers fight with each other.
01:04:44.480 There's a divided kingdom.
01:04:46.620 And then providentially Charlemagne's brother dies.
01:04:49.040 and really what comes out of that
01:04:53.120 is the formation of the Holy Roman Empire
01:04:55.220 something much more potent and powerful
01:04:57.700 but this reminds me too of
01:05:00.680 we've had this in our personal family experience
01:05:03.700 where great grandparents had a business in land
01:05:07.280 and what they did is they said
01:05:09.460 well rather than appointing one man to be in charge of it
01:05:12.920 we are going to equally divide the land
01:05:16.000 and the company among 12 cousins and they're all going to have equal say and it became a living
01:05:25.340 walking nightmare yeah it's a morass the company finally fizzled and and actually like as the only
01:05:31.960 thing that i think has saved it was finally all the cousins got together and they said hey listen
01:05:37.080 we have this nephew who really cares about the business let's appoint him to run it and let's
01:05:42.300 Give him all the power and it's done much better.
01:05:44.900 Yeah.
01:05:45.160 So, but this is kind of like the wisdom of passing on an inheritance so that it's not a nightmare for your people to have to sort out because people are like, well, I don't want to offend.
01:05:56.000 I don't want to.
01:05:57.020 Yeah.
01:05:57.460 I mean, Ferdinand, he did this great work and united a bunch of these because the dynamic in medieval Europe and Spain at this period had basically adopted the culture, the chivalric culture.
01:06:12.240 of medieval europe yeah so they were modeled very similar in their monarchy their knights knights
01:06:16.820 like the reason el cid constantly went and sought a lord is because there wasn't really a category
01:06:21.900 for a good knight to just be a lone ranger i mean you have like chivalric feudal system and he needed
01:06:28.100 a lord so ferdinand does this great work of uniting spain and bringing together like a lot
01:06:34.800 of Spain under one banner. But when he dies, instead of saying Sancho II, who was the oldest
01:06:42.320 son, he probably should have put Sancho in charge of the whole kingdom and said, we're keeping the
01:06:51.680 kingdom united because a lot of potency comes from that united front. Even later, the Cordoban
01:06:58.940 muslim empire like we talked about when it devolved in these typhus and just
01:07:03.260 into small little kingdoms that's when the christians were able to reconquer it the same
01:07:08.320 thing happened in reverse you have all of a sudden sancho the second warring against alfonso
01:07:13.220 the sixth the second born and then garcia the something i can't remember he's kind of the
01:07:18.840 lamest of the three ultimately sancho kind of reconquers his brothers he refuses to submit to
01:07:26.620 the arrangement and says no we need to be united and the other brothers don't agree to be fair he
01:07:32.520 did say we need to be united and i'm in charge he tries to alfonso oldest brother alfonso flees when
01:07:39.480 he loses and he goes off you know and then he becomes like this great ruler later but uh sancho
01:07:45.640 conquers and uh then at kind of the peak it looks like he's got it all and el sid is like his
01:07:52.760 master warrior who's brought about all this greatness and victory well then Sancho is
01:07:58.620 murdered like assassinated in his sleep or something like that well and I think it's
01:08:03.900 clear from reading the historical record that El Cid really believed it was probably Alfonso
01:08:09.140 he made him which is why he and if by the way there's a movie with Charlton Heston called El
01:08:14.380 Cid and that scene is really funny because he's like it's Charlton Heston a white American
01:08:20.560 playing the spaniard playing the spanish but in charlton heston finished he's like swear to me
01:08:25.600 like it wasn't you and he's like i swear and he's like swear again yeah you know three times he made
01:08:32.320 him do it three times was highly embarrassing for alfonso i mean it did that was pretty clear
01:08:37.240 it was like an accusation yeah he believed he pretty much believed the the the worst part too
01:08:42.640 side note is uh garcia the the third son the youngest he pretty much ends up in prison most
01:08:48.720 of his life like ferdinand you know hands off the kingdom and he's like yeah garcia you you get this
01:08:53.840 kingdom up here i think it was like the most northwestern part of the of the kingdom and then
01:08:58.880 you get north dakota which is actually where the kingdom of story ends up being he ends up in in
01:09:05.140 in you go right to jail when uh the first civil war takes place and then later alfonso comes back
01:09:11.720 after sancho is assassinated and he just puts him in prison again and so this poor youngest brother
01:09:19.080 as a youngest brother can i just say solidarity with garcia poor guy ended up in jail most of his
01:09:26.060 life by his own brothers kind of sucked i know i'm kind of with the oldest brother here um actually
01:09:31.980 it is funny dan told me one time he was like i'm working with you and brian he's like two younger
01:09:35.860 brothers and i was like i'm not the younger brother i'm the older brother and then it took
01:09:39.560 me a moment and then i realized i am the younger brother like actually you were but not in my mind
01:09:45.900 no i i do the same thing that's what youngest i'm like i'm the oldest right they're like brian
01:09:49.620 you're literally the youngest you're literally there are no siblings younger than you but i mean
01:09:54.920 but are they really older than me but are they i don't know yeah and you know we've run into this
01:09:59.580 kind of storyline all the time uh throughout our talk with the crusades and christendom
01:10:05.820 is the amount of destructive infighting that happens.
01:10:10.420 Yeah, absolutely.
01:10:11.480 It is such a sad tale.
01:10:13.040 It's like, what if all those energies
01:10:14.180 had been directed toward-
01:10:15.880 Just getting rid of the Muslims.
01:10:17.180 Getting rid of the Muslims.
01:10:18.160 Like, hey, let's work together.
01:10:19.560 Hey, El Cid is a great warrior.
01:10:21.400 Let's make him fight for us.
01:10:22.600 We could have won.
01:10:23.320 The amount of pride and hubris-
01:10:27.320 Yeah, by 1100, it would have been done.
01:10:29.420 Like the Muslims would have been gone
01:10:30.660 and they would have completely won.
01:10:32.600 Yeah, the pride, like El Cid keeps,
01:10:34.760 they keep exile snip snap snip snap do you have any idea what five exiles does to a man
01:10:38.940 like he's he comes back he kills it literally else had never lost he leads to greatness all
01:10:46.160 of the other people are like else it else it else it they saw us slain as thousands but david is
01:10:51.440 ten thousands this actually it's kind of it's kind of funny and petty but um you'll appreciate
01:10:56.860 the story because i know you're super into sports but michael jordan no the gm at the time uh great
01:11:04.040 MLB player. I'm blanking on his name. A little short
01:11:06.080 fat guy. Jerry Krause.
01:11:09.800 This was one of the reasons over time he had such
01:11:12.100 a beef with Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan because
01:11:14.060 he picked them. He built the team.
01:11:17.280 And then he was like mad
01:11:18.360 because Michael Jordan was getting all the love
01:11:20.180 and nobody was saying
01:11:21.140 what a great GM Jerry Krause was.
01:11:25.580 What a loser.
01:11:26.820 Yeah, you're like, man.
01:11:27.920 What a loser. Know your role. Just enjoy it.
01:11:30.660 You built a great thing. Just enjoy
01:11:32.300 that you built a great thing but it's like we all can have this tendency where like no i have to get
01:11:37.220 the credit for it yeah and what's hilarious is like dude it was brutal like on the bus michael
01:11:44.280 jordan would be like hey little fat man bus driver like why don't you drive the bus it's like jerry
01:11:48.880 kraus oh and and then jerry would pipe off in the media and he'd be like wow you know this this team
01:11:54.120 is not really about individual players it's about the people who built the team and michael jordan's
01:12:00.420 life but in a very real sense yeah what happens without michael jordan even uh uh oh bradley the
01:12:09.680 golfer um he's the captain for the rider cup team this year i'm again blanking on his first name
01:12:14.900 but he said to michael jordan because they were golfing together he said michael how does it hurt
01:12:19.600 that every time we go out to golf i just destroy you and michael said no because you're wearing my
01:12:25.600 shoes. Oh, brutal. The Air Jordans. But anyway, I think just as Christians, this is one of the
01:12:33.360 things we have to kill, right? Is that you can have great movements and great works, but if
01:12:37.700 there's fundamentally pride in ego that will cause you to destroy each other, how much time can be
01:12:44.940 wasted on infighting over rank? And look, it's hard. I mean, but a lot of us do have to recognize
01:12:51.520 our place. You know, Jesus talks about this with your seat at the table. Don't go take the highest
01:12:57.700 seat and assume like, oh, I'm El Cid. You might actually be like a foot soldier.
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01:16:10.380 yeah let's be honest like most of us are not lcid there was an lcid in hundreds of years
01:16:19.500 you got like 10 to 20 characters who really rise in this period and you're like that was a really
01:16:25.220 noteworthy guy out of millions and millions of people in this time period. And so often like
01:16:32.220 what our pride wants to do is say, unless I get all the glory and I'm in charge of everything
01:16:37.840 and everyone recognized me as a great man. And really when Eric and I talk about great man theory,
01:16:42.720 we're just talking about ourselves. No, we're under no illusions that if there's going to be
01:16:49.580 a great man who rises up in America today and does some kind of great work of retaking the
01:16:55.580 nation and conquering all these losses we've made to the gay race communists and all this stuff.
01:17:00.680 It's not going to be Eric Conner, Brian Silvey. We're out here just, we're trying to do our part
01:17:08.420 and leave it all in the field in our corner here in Ogden and do our thing. But what we can do is
01:17:14.800 all of us, like you said, look to these great men and say, in my little corner or medium-sized
01:17:21.720 corner, whatever size your corner is, it has your name on it. Go and do great things in your corner
01:17:29.160 for the glory of God who gave his people. Yeah, I think that's wonderful. And I think part of it,
01:17:34.100 the application is what I would give to kind of the reformed community. We've given this application
01:17:38.480 before but the crab barrel mentality um i'm watching it go online right now with guys who
01:17:45.500 are like this guy's ascendant and this guy had a platform and so we're going to publicly attack
01:17:50.420 him every day of our lives and we should be brothers we we should actually be excited for
01:17:55.340 each other yeah and i just an encouragement continually i think if you're i'm i've mostly
01:18:01.580 just said to myself like we need to stay out of these fights as best we can um we need to
01:18:07.100 genuinely be glad when other people
01:18:09.680 succeed.
01:18:11.360 We even have had beef with some of these
01:18:13.740 camps and then you'll see some of these
01:18:15.620 camps succeed at something
01:18:18.000 and I just, a check in my
01:18:19.680 spirit is like,
01:18:21.120 praise God. I'm actually glad
01:18:23.840 they've done good work. I'm glad that
01:18:25.640 they're getting this moment in the culture.
01:18:28.580 We should give thanks
01:18:29.740 to God for that. Even though I was
01:18:31.740 personally hurt or offended or whatever it
01:18:33.720 was, let's not be petty.
01:18:35.480 yeah um we've done our jousting uh that's happened um but i think looking at the bigger
01:18:42.320 picture is part of it yeah and then realizing too i think this this goes a long way i said
01:18:48.680 this the other day on on twitter number one you're not that significant right if you died
01:18:54.380 tomorrow the beat goes on god's gonna raise up other people yeah so that's number one but number
01:18:58.920 two there is the ability to cultivate this instinct and it's it's actually quite simple
01:19:03.940 you go online or you see something someone else does who's a christian brother and you say
01:19:08.580 i don't agree with them well anyway and then you simply move on with your life and you don't say
01:19:16.020 it has now become my mission i don't understand to hate everything about them and and you know
01:19:22.620 that it's gone to levels of ridiculousness when you're you're chastising somebody for doing
01:19:28.220 something that you yourself did five minutes prior oh yeah but but you see this do you not
01:19:33.000 with even brothers where it's like that sinful desire where it's like i just want to see my
01:19:37.240 brother get in trouble yeah you were like wait didn't you just do that thing though anyway i
01:19:41.860 think just to put that to death um it really is part of the you know i guess something in the
01:19:47.440 water here in ogden where we're trying to say we can celebrate each other's victories yes it's we
01:19:52.620 need to be working together and it's a it's a constant challenge because there's always this
01:19:56.400 tension between um my conviction is that things would go the best if we would identify this
01:20:02.640 particular enemy or this particular tactic of the enemy and address it in this way. And this is my
01:20:09.000 read of the cultural landscape. This is my read of the tactical landscape. This is my read of the
01:20:13.400 need of the hour. This is my read of the direction we should be going. And then somebody else who
01:20:17.640 comes along and you're like 90, 80 to 98% aligned. You're Christians, you know, maybe you have a
01:20:24.200 baptismal difference, or maybe you have a tat you read and they read that whole situation
01:20:28.900 different than you, whether partly different or a lot different. And what we ought to be able to do
01:20:34.700 is have normal reason discussions about those differences and just, and then everybody walk
01:20:41.580 away and say, now I'm going to live in accordance with my conscience and my reading of the situation,
01:20:46.160 but I'm going to do so in a way that I don't, like, I think, whatever your reading of the
01:20:51.160 situation is, I think a misreading of the situation is I'm now going to make my entire
01:20:55.540 personality or some hugely significant portion of my entire online activity or activity in
01:21:01.100 the church, attempting to destroy a brother or brothers or group or this group that has
01:21:07.140 a different read of that situation than me, instead of saying, yeah, here's the five ways
01:21:12.840 we disagree, and they're maybe significant.
01:21:16.240 Now, I'm going to go and do what I think is tactically necessary and important this time,
01:21:21.300 And I, I trust that they're going to go do what's tactically they think is correct in this time. And we need to be able to have the gear to say, we don't agree. We're not pretending like we agree on everything, but also how absolutely retarded would it be to take most of my energy and put it into trying to destroy them?
01:21:41.800 yeah and you can look at alfonso and the sid and you're like dude you lost battles because you were
01:21:47.700 too proud you're too proud like it's just practically like one of the things this means
01:21:53.200 is that for me the my approach to a lot of this stuff on social media is that i just block guys
01:22:00.020 that are whose if your whole thing is brother warring if your whole thing is just engaging in
01:22:07.240 crab barrel, gossip fest, gotcha, alleged journalism, this kind of stuff. If that's
01:22:14.480 your whole thing, I will just block you and try never to think about you again and move on.
01:22:18.860 And I think more of us need this. I think there's so many of these guys that,
01:22:23.000 and you see a pivot somewhere where three years ago or five years ago or a year ago,
01:22:26.920 they were just like kind of doing normal Christian stuff. And then they get latched
01:22:31.140 done as some controversy and they never let it go until everything they do is just, what's the
01:22:39.180 word, ruminating on that controversy. Yeah. And I think part of it is there can be real principle
01:22:45.600 in a lot of these things. I'm sure Alfonso felt principled. Pride is, the one thing we have to
01:22:52.820 realize, pride is blinding to us. Yeah. And so if you have it, you don't know you have it.
01:22:58.640 But one of the things that's helped me is saying like, well, do you really care about the mission success?
01:23:03.540 And if you do, then it has to be about, you know, the men and the mission and not about who gets glory.
01:23:11.360 But also I do think with the online stuff, part of the problem is you build an online platform and then controversy is actually one of the main drivers for traffic.
01:23:22.520 Sure.
01:23:23.280 So I think being on guard about that,
01:23:25.740 really being principled and saying,
01:23:27.300 no, actually, we actually care about the work.
01:23:30.720 And for us, it's seeing Christendom built up,
01:23:32.840 so then it would be antithetical
01:23:33.980 to just go to war with other brothers all the time.
01:23:36.240 Yeah, that means like what you,
01:23:37.980 I hope see from New Christendom Press
01:23:39.980 and King's Hall and all these different projects
01:23:43.180 is that the main thing that we're determined to do,
01:23:45.660 sometimes we have to answer some accusation
01:23:48.740 or we have to wade into controversy.
01:23:50.080 Like controversy exists, it's real.
01:23:52.020 you have to deal with it from time to time.
01:23:54.460 But mostly what we want to do is say,
01:23:56.200 okay, King's Hall exists to make self-ruled men
01:23:58.060 who rule well and win the world.
01:23:59.720 So let's talk about Christian history,
01:24:01.420 the history of the West.
01:24:02.520 Let's talk about the great men
01:24:04.060 who have contributed to it.
01:24:05.860 Let's talk about the dangers and warnings.
01:24:07.820 Let's talk about how to build practically
01:24:10.180 Christian culture in your time and place,
01:24:12.240 how to rule well in your home
01:24:13.460 and over your own spirit.
01:24:15.520 Breit Hearth is all about
01:24:17.140 building productive Christian households
01:24:18.600 and focus on instructing homemakers.
01:24:20.360 So we're going to talk a lot about that kind of stuff over there. You know, you can look at hard men, the brutal American, you can look at all these projects. And the main thing we're trying to do in each of them is say, what would it like building Christendom? What is it really going to take?
01:24:34.220 And then we think all of these different projects contribute to the constituent parts well, and trying to spend 80 to 95% of our energy on those foundational building block things that the big E on the I chart kind of stuff that can actually contribute to that.
01:24:50.720 and what can happen we've we've certainly been there before what can happen is that you start
01:24:56.840 to get pulled in constantly into these kinds of things and before you know it it can be all you
01:25:05.700 do yeah before you know it you can completely forget about the muslims in the south of spain
01:25:10.700 and you're just like how can i beat alfonso how can i beat sancho how can i beat this guy over
01:25:17.920 here. And the, you know, who wins the Muslims win. Yeah. And I think just as a point of
01:25:24.040 encouragement to one of the things that obviously for, for a lot of us as we're seeking to build
01:25:28.220 like, and particularly an idea like Christendom, it can be very discouraging when you have
01:25:32.800 internal or external fights among your own people that sap you of strength. One of the
01:25:38.200 stories that has really encouraged me is Joseph and his brothers and David and Saul, and just
01:25:42.960 saying you know by god's appointment all things stand this day psalm 119 and faithfulness you
01:25:48.780 have afflicted me and just trusting that god in his providence will use this to to strengthen and
01:25:54.820 train our hands for war to do more good work so i think also not to get this because it can be
01:26:01.200 very discouraging yeah when you're like you had 90 of my time last year was spent like defending
01:26:08.960 my own good name against brothers attacking or whatever it is, or it could be internal.
01:26:14.160 And so just to know that the Lord is sovereign, he's at work in those things too.
01:26:18.280 But then to your point, I think as people move forward, yeah, I would just encourage
01:26:25.420 them to think on that is my main goal, myself, self-aggrandizement and tearing down other
01:26:32.280 brothers.
01:26:32.660 Like if the bulk of what you do is tearing down other Christian men, you might want to
01:26:37.060 think about that.
01:26:37.740 Yeah, even Christian men with whom you disagree about significant things.
01:26:41.460 Again, looking at that landscape, you had the kingdom of Asteria, you had Christians
01:26:45.560 that remained even under subjugation, you had people with different roles, and you can
01:26:51.620 make judgment calls about who was right and who was wrong in different times, that's certainly
01:26:56.060 true, and yet one of the most primal and abiding concerns of the instruction of the Lord to
01:27:04.300 his people is the unity of the church and our love for one another so and it's it's the kind of
01:27:11.240 love that is able to say i disagree with my brother over there i think he's wrong i think
01:27:17.040 he sinned i think he's wrong somewhere on that spectrum and yet still say but he's my brother
01:27:23.060 i'm gonna seek unity and i'm gonna seek humility and yeah i'm gonna seek bold obedience to what
01:27:29.320 i believe are my duties in in light of my reading of the tactical concerns of the day but man it's
01:27:36.220 just like again who wins when we devolve into treating the church like you know basically a
01:27:43.780 bunch of football clubs that are all trying to win the world cup against each other instead of
01:27:50.200 is that a soccer reference yes that was i thought you like sports references oh yeah i like sports
01:27:56.040 i just don't do soccer i'm sorry it's the most popular sport on earth i know that's uh you know
01:28:01.100 i formative years in england man i just it was the there you go there you go you know maybe i
01:28:08.620 wish it would have been rugby but i i last i was in talk about a country that needs a reconquista
01:28:13.560 the uk man just start expelling people oh my goodness like they're in trouble one of the
01:28:19.980 questions i did want to ask you um this is kind of the sad there's a lot of the stories by the way
01:28:25.260 we're else said there's a good section and defenders of the West Raymond
01:28:29.400 Ibrahim but it is sad too he dies and the Muslims are like yay he's dead
01:28:34.400 finally we're gonna go retake Valencia and they do his his wife actually leads
01:28:41.080 the charge for a while to protect Valencia but it is retaken and yeah that
01:28:47.120 could be like a massive black pill that this guy did all this stuff he
01:28:52.320 protected spain um but this the other thing is like maybe why you need a long range reading a
01:28:59.080 history it is retaken but in the long haul el cid becomes like a hero of spain yes um by the way i
01:29:07.740 had posted a little bit about el cid just saying to people that we'd be covering this on king's
01:29:12.020 hall and one gentleman who's like a spanish historian like from spain uh he responded and
01:29:19.520 And he was like, you don't understand, like El Cid to this day in Spain is like, he's like our John Wayne or George Washington, you know, like he's one of those figures.
01:29:30.180 And I had quoted the one quote talking about how he was a gift from the Almighty.
01:29:34.680 And the guy immediately, he's like, oh, that's a quote from this guy.
01:29:37.500 And so it's just really interesting that this is pertinent to the people of Europe today.
01:29:43.140 Yeah.
01:29:43.960 One thing I would encourage people, by the way, I want to ask you about that, but I want to encourage people.
01:29:48.060 i've seen that there's a reprinting of camp of the saints uh that is coming out and i've covered
01:29:54.740 it on hard men podcast with charles haywood but he has said charles has this is probably
01:30:02.020 the most important book of the 20th century it's been blacklisted for years um so one of your
01:30:08.160 people i think it's john raspail but john he's french john um but this is being republished
01:30:14.520 And basically, Charles was saying, he said, look, you had Brave New World, and then you had 1984, and everybody said, these are just dystopian.
01:30:23.940 These are the best stuff you can read.
01:30:25.320 And Charles said, no, the best you can read is Camp of the Saints.
01:30:28.800 It's fundamentally about how the church in Europe, and particularly in France, like it's fiction, but they lead an invasion from India and celebrate an invasion from India into their country.
01:30:42.540 and basically he's making fun of the church and the priests and all the stupid people
01:30:47.400 who are cheerleading this the immigration and bait yes and it basically ends with like the
01:30:52.600 rape of europe yeah and john russbill is saying like i told you yeah so it was this came out what
01:30:59.020 60s or 70s um no one would reprint it they the publisher like blocked the rights but it's finally
01:31:04.560 coming out so i'd encourage people to read that and kind of understand like people were prophesying
01:31:10.440 what's happened to the West back in the 60s and 70s.
01:31:13.520 Oh yeah.
01:31:14.000 You had people prophesying in the 60s and 70s
01:31:16.580 all the way through, you know, Pat Buchanan in the 90s
01:31:20.120 saying, guys, this is what's going to happen.
01:31:21.880 This is what the H-1Bs are going to do.
01:31:23.480 This is what unfettered immigration is going to do.
01:31:25.960 And it's just now,
01:31:28.020 and this is where I do see a glimmer of hope
01:31:30.000 is that it's just now becoming normative
01:31:33.520 in the mainstream for normal conservatives
01:31:36.940 to start to say things like,
01:31:39.160 we need a halt to all immigration, not just illegal immigration. We need to actually deport
01:31:45.740 millions of people. So these ideas are being mainstreamed and are starting to the Overton
01:31:52.080 window is shifting. And so I do see some hope there. It's going to be all about the follow
01:31:58.500 through. Can we actually establish some political power and coalition and actually bring these
01:32:06.600 ideas into reality yeah you've actually got to get i mean home homeland security account is or
01:32:11.680 whatever it was is tweeting to go home go home like i i want more deportations though and fewer
01:32:21.120 tweets you know or both i'd take both the ones that i found funny are like you know it's like
01:32:26.460 migrant rape somebody that's obviously not funny but then when people respond to it
01:32:31.880 because you know a lot of conservatives will be like we need to deport them immediately
01:32:36.880 and then somebody will respond i don't believe they should be i don't want to deport them it's
01:32:42.940 the star horse me but i do i do think you know just a lot of this is like regaining the spine
01:32:49.380 one of the things that was interesting to me and and this is i think where the church and pastors
01:32:54.560 can be helpful i was reading in the old testament about jehu and it's funny because there's an old
01:33:01.360 southern saying. They're like, when somebody does something quickly and they said, you got to get on
01:33:05.460 them like Jehu out of Jezreel. So, but Jehu, the Lord raises up Jehu to punish the line of Ahab
01:33:12.520 and he sends him on this mission. He anoints him through the prophet under Elisha, sends him on a
01:33:20.880 mission. He kills 70 of Ahab's sons. He stacks their heads outside the city walls. He tells the
01:33:29.760 eunuchs to throw Jezebel out of the window, and she's like devoured somehow. So she's not buried,
01:33:36.540 her bones are scattered. And then he accomplishes all this work, and then the Lord speaks to Jehu,
01:33:42.360 and he says, I am pleased that you did all that was in my heart to do to the household of Ahab.
01:33:49.680 Now here's where Christians have to grow a pair and get a stomach. Here's the reality. The Lord
01:33:55.520 said to jay who do all of that the same god who's the same yesterday and today and forever said do
01:34:01.580 that and we don't have the stomach to deport people and i think it's because we've had these
01:34:07.960 squish evangelical pastors who are 200 pounds overweight or have limp wrists and they've
01:34:13.800 lectured us about how loving your neighbor means importing the third world oh yeah and the the only
01:34:18.740 response to it is going to be el sid we get rid of them by force yeah didn't he have a quote that
01:34:25.500 It said something like he pointed his bloodstained sword and the sweat of his horse.
01:34:29.420 And he said, by these are the Muslims conquered.
01:34:32.900 Yeah, he literally he's like destroying Muslim forces, cutting men in half, cutting camels in half and horses and everything else.
01:34:40.780 Nobody believed they could win.
01:34:42.140 They win.
01:34:42.700 And he's literally riding his horse through the blood soaked fields and the corpses of the Muslims.
01:34:47.840 And he said, my friends, this is how the Muslims are conquered.
01:34:50.960 Yeah, this is how.
01:34:51.920 because you just like it is so laughably absurd when you have ministers who are making this most
01:34:59.620 asinine and basic of categorical errors to say because the lord's the kingdom is not of this
01:35:07.840 world its origin is not of this world it did it comes from outside in other words what jesus is
01:35:13.280 saying is the kingdom of heaven is invading the kingdoms of this world he's talking about an
01:35:16.460 invasion and conquering right because of that open borders to violent third worlders and the
01:35:23.780 destruction of your entire the voluntary destruction of an entire people group whose
01:35:28.460 greatest sin they can commit by the way is to collectively defend themselves because that of
01:35:33.640 course would be white identitarianism and according to james lindsey that is a very very dangerous
01:35:39.280 thing like when you start to just look at these things from the outside you say what kind of
01:35:43.740 retard came up with that like you have to have a phd to be that stupid well yeah and i think part
01:35:50.320 of it too is like you you have a whole host of people who are subversives you know i had responded
01:35:56.740 to jd greer he's got some new book out and you know whatever i said you ought to just call it
01:36:01.400 like how to subvert the church and get paid to do it oh yeah i mean he's the oppa yeah the bishop
01:36:06.900 and here's the deal like we have a whole class of pastors i think this is where like if people
01:36:11.660 would ask me well what's your role in the fight i think it's going after the enemies within the
01:36:16.760 church the people who are subverting uh you know jd hall had a really interesting thing where he
01:36:22.820 was tracking like how much money the ford foundation and soros money and you know riati
01:36:30.280 money has funneled into you know jackson rts and ligan duncan and they've been tracking these
01:36:35.460 things for a long time basically you've got like globalists george soros open society groups
01:36:41.600 fund evangelical pastors that's why your messaging has been that and so i think for us it's like
01:36:47.440 you've got to have a little bit of righteous indignation um again jehu is on his like
01:36:53.260 slaughtering campaign and he says to the people see what the zeal of the lord will do through me
01:36:59.340 and then and this is a crazy thing you get to the end and the lord's like you've done all that was
01:37:03.720 in my heart yeah i wanted jezebel's dead body to be devoured by dogs and so literally like i got
01:37:09.300 They were beautiful dogs.
01:37:10.760 They were beautiful dogs.
01:37:11.880 They were the most beautiful dogs.
01:37:13.520 They came in.
01:37:14.260 He was, she was crying.
01:37:16.080 She was crying.
01:37:17.440 She wept.
01:37:18.520 The best part is it says that Jezebel, she painted her face.
01:37:21.900 She put all her makeup on to try and woo Jeyu.
01:37:26.260 And he's like, he calls out to the eunuchs and he says, who's on my side?
01:37:29.320 And there's like three of them.
01:37:30.380 And he's like, throw her out the window.
01:37:32.080 And they literally do.
01:37:33.380 She is. 0.62
01:37:34.260 So circling back a minute.
01:37:35.900 I was just thinking about how insane this messaging is of like, if Christian Americans say, no, we're not going to submit to Hindi and Indian Hindu immigration, and we're not going to allow our cities to be conquered by Islamists, and we're not going to allow our cities to be conquered by Jews, and we're not going to allow our cities to be conquered by fill in the blank with all these non-native people groups coming in.
01:38:03.240 And of course, everyone, the biggest warning is like, well, be careful of like this, create
01:38:07.700 this white identitarianism, guys, you might commit this white identitarian sin.
01:38:11.840 It would be like looking at the Spaniards in the Reconquista and saying, guys, the biggest
01:38:17.500 thing you need to avoid right now is Islamophobia and Spanish identitarianism.
01:38:24.560 When you put it in any other context historically and you say, what would you call the person
01:38:31.160 who gave that assessment of the situation an idiot and that's james lindsey and and all of
01:38:39.820 his ilk like well the same yes and the other thing you have to ask is where's the money coming from
01:38:44.440 like when you see a guy continually at public speaking events and you see him somehow financially
01:38:52.460 supported but there's like no obvious reason it's not a professor anywhere things it's not a
01:38:56.960 professor anywhere just connected to other shady money people who are connected to the deep state
01:39:01.400 and they're going around like the left always projects so they're always going around like
01:39:06.140 accusing people of being like bought and sold paid opposition like man you have paid opposition on
01:39:11.320 your mind a lot yeah you sure do have a lot of like you seem to think everybody's taking secret
01:39:16.280 money from others in order to accomplish their subversive goals right where'd you get that idea
01:39:21.420 yeah i mean it's crazy and i think too i think being wise to the play um there's a lot there's
01:39:27.060 been a lot of like on the right victories in the last year but i'm kind of leery about
01:39:33.160 the the number of people who have been pushed forward who are especially the indian thing
01:39:42.360 oh yeah so even somebody like tulsi gabbard if you look in her past like she was married to a
01:39:46.720 guy they had like the red dot on the forehead ceremony and you've got jd vance and that's going
01:39:52.160 on you've got cash patel you've got vivek ramashamalana ding dong trying to be like an
01:39:58.440 american from ohio like i'm i'm a real american so so i think part of it too is like we don't
01:40:04.400 have to be hateful or rude um but we do have to kind of be savvy and cunning and be weary of the
01:40:12.020 plays that are being run against us and then i think uh just very frankly like pastorally
01:40:17.360 we have to be willing to speak to the hard issues um yeah like we'll talk about in the after hours
01:40:23.800 with larry arn i don't like personally dislike larry i don't even know who he is uh but i think
01:40:30.700 he's dead wrong and that's a destructive message for the church i i would say to somebody you know
01:40:35.860 like Kevin DeYoung, who's doing that show with him, like these guys who posture as I'm the
01:40:42.700 conservative, respectable voice in reformed Presbyterianism. No, you're not. No, you're not.
01:40:49.600 Um, and, and we just have to be bold about that. Um, there's, there's people who want to see the
01:40:54.420 country subverted. So I think being, uh, you know, growing, growing our spine back, I think is really
01:41:00.420 important. Um, the long-term history, we talk about this a lot with Postmill and then we'll
01:41:05.260 close with this the long-term post-mill history why is it so important not to just look at a loss
01:41:11.460 today yeah and think we're cooked we we have to look at the long term the lord seems to love
01:41:18.860 to disguise victory as defeat yep he does this all the time oh yeah where the very thing that
01:41:28.360 was the the stone that got the avalanche the rock slide of victory started is often some it just
01:41:34.740 looks pitiful. It looks like a defeat. It looks like you're absolutely cooked. It's all over.
01:41:39.700 You're King Alfred in the swamp. You're the kingdom of Asturia out in the barren, the barrens
01:41:44.380 of Northwest Spain. And then God just slowly chips away. And he turns that ultimately into
01:41:51.460 the very thing that steals the people for victory and prepares them for it. That's why I don't think
01:41:56.600 we're there yet because the people haven't suffered enough. And I hate that. I don't want
01:42:01.140 that to be the case i want us to be able to look with clear sight and be like men of issachar who
01:42:05.200 know the times and just turn the will to the victory and to to justice and to glory but so
01:42:13.060 often it takes where your back's against the wall there's no other option there's no other option
01:42:18.640 but victory or total defeat and you descend into you're deleted from history right so god loves to
01:42:25.000 do that but the other thing i think about this and to the to the the long haul aspect of what you
01:42:30.000 just said we tend to fast forward historical events in our minds when we're retelling them
01:42:35.500 it's difficult to not do this kind of time dilation where we read of the reconquista
01:42:40.000 and we fail to recognize that we're just we just talked about 700 years of history yeah
01:42:46.320 700 years of history when el sid died he probably wasn't that confident of everything going on
01:42:53.920 in spain um absolutely not i mean so often we we read a story in history we tend to push past all
01:43:03.440 of the the years the months years decades and centuries of pain and misery before the victory
01:43:09.280 and go yeah yeah but get to the victory and and the the reason that's a disservice is because
01:43:15.800 then in a microcosm when we come to our own lives and we're like i've been working at something for
01:43:20.200 two whole years. It hasn't worked yet. America's not Christian again yet. Ah, dang it. We must
01:43:27.920 have the wrong plan. People do this all the time. They're like, oh, Moscow, Idaho, you guys are all
01:43:34.740 into Christian nationalism, right? Well, you've been working on Moscow, Idaho for 30, 40 years
01:43:39.780 now, and you're not even a Christian city. Boo, boo, boo. And you're like, so do you read? Do you
01:43:45.740 know how long things worth doing takes right people can do this to any day of small beginnings
01:43:51.020 and just say you're so far from your ultimate objective your strategy must be wrong it doesn't
01:43:58.620 actually follow that your strategy must be wrong what if in god's providence some things just take
01:44:03.260 a long time what if some of these things unfold over millennia not over decades or not over months
01:44:08.020 well i mean you can even think about like historical redemption and the way that you
01:44:14.180 get from eve to christ and the promise even even like how she names her kids like oh he's going to
01:44:20.840 be the one and you're like god's like uh i have gotten a man from the lord let's wait a couple
01:44:26.840 thousand years uh but but i do think that that is the lord seems to love to write the stories in a
01:44:32.080 way that show that only it could only be the answer that he is working providentially over
01:44:37.200 the long haul in a way that no human could yeah nobody could have orchestrated that uh it would
01:44:42.440 It had to be the Lord, and it was the Lord.
01:44:44.580 But I think that should also encourage us and give us confidence that whatever we're seeing in the short term blips on the screen, ultimately the Lord's plan is being carried out.
01:44:53.960 And like El Cid, that should cause us to burn all the more brightly and seek to be a glory where God's put us.
01:44:59.720 Not to say, well, you know, whatever happens, happens.
01:45:02.300 Whatever happens, happens.
01:45:03.380 So, well, hopefully it's been an encouraging episode.
01:45:05.920 um i'm always encouraged by really two people like vlad el sid yeah you know your favorite people in
01:45:15.620 history they their horses in the blood of their enemies in the blood of their enemies yeah it's
01:45:20.440 always an encouragement i know that is for you it gets me fired up that really does that really
01:45:25.120 does something for you there it does i know uh the other thing that does something for me is the
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01:46:03.340 and uh brian i guess send us out festin alente make a slowly i know that you're a great scholar
01:46:10.220 of latin eric and i appreciate you team me up like that festin alente baby for this for this
01:46:15.520 outro uh i mean if i could emphasize one thing in this episode it is to remember that it's to
01:46:22.880 remember the the slow and tumultuous nature of god's unfolding providence in the world
01:46:29.280 The Lord God is subduing nations.
01:46:31.540 He is bringing the nations into his fold.
01:46:33.840 He is going to make it such that the last enemy
01:46:36.240 to be defeated is death.
01:46:37.360 And one day the Lord Jesus stands up and defeats it.
01:46:39.840 Until then, we're in the midst of a story
01:46:42.140 that is going to have very black blacks
01:46:44.140 and very bleak sections and defeats and setbacks.
01:46:48.480 But even in those, whether that's your personal life
01:46:51.140 or in even something like the life of our nation,
01:46:54.360 take heart and be faithful in the time
01:46:56.780 that the Lord gave you.
01:46:58.060 Your job isn't to force the ultimate outcome to happen.
01:47:02.000 The Lord Jesus Christ is in charge of that.
01:47:04.180 Your job is to be faithful and discharge the duties
01:47:07.040 of the offices that he's given you.
01:47:09.460 Not looking higher than you ought, nor looking lower,
01:47:12.600 but with zeal, discharging the duties
01:47:14.700 that God has given you.
01:47:15.940 And remember in all of this, wink it, quisa, wink it.
01:47:18.980 He conquers who conquers himself.
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