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00:39:50.740Sex slavery, where they would capture Christian peoples and take all the attractive women and make them sex slaves and then have all of their main royal lines through their sex slaves.0.96
00:40:01.680So that eventually the Muslim rulers were just Europeans or in this case, Spaniards.
00:40:07.620They were just like, that's, that was what they did to the point that, didn't we talk about it on some of the Crusades episodes that it was estimated that like 90% of the genetic line of some of these royal.
00:40:18.760families was just european yes there you go folks that's messed up right there yeah that's messed up
00:40:25.340uh so the reconquista i think it's helpful to maybe go through some of the history and
00:40:30.180why it's important i also think you know as we're going through you were reading the cold open i was
00:40:35.040thinking about this history is not linear right so people can look at it and you can think about
00:40:41.900america like we were great then we were bad but it's really cyclical um the reconquista in many
00:40:48.560ways gives me hope that america could be reconquered for christ um which is sad knowing
00:40:53.940that you can't actually have a christian nation uh larry arn yeah well i mean i had hope after i
00:40:59.680read the cold open and then you told me that and now we're about that we are so cooked and we're
00:41:04.140cooked we're cooked but let's say we weren't if we look at the uh reconquist yeah uh so maybe if
00:41:11.940you just walk us through this a little bit i've got some notes here it's helpful to me i don't
00:41:16.200know if the listeners are like this, when I'm thinking about some particular character like
00:41:20.420El Cid, and we're going to talk more about El Cid, I'd like to have a picture of how
00:41:24.840the whole timeline works together, his part in it, even up to today. So there's two parts to
00:41:32.560really think about in terms of this story, two parts of the story. We have the Muslim conquest
00:41:36.900of Spain. So this is unfolding over a period of time in the 8th century, the 700s, when the Muslims
00:41:43.980invade spain the the berbers the moors they they invade spain and they're doing this because trade
00:41:50.820routes have been so cut off that they basically had to go on this very difficult impossible sea
00:41:57.200voyage at the time or they had to conquer spain and so they said let's go conquer spain and since
00:42:03.900the uh muhammadan religion is explicitly a raiding warlike religion it has explicit
00:42:14.460like a lot of the quran is is just talking about how to engage in holy war it's not difficult for
00:42:22.020them to raise armies because they just say to the people do you want to go to heaven go die in this
00:42:28.080jihad and then they would raise a huge army of you know hundreds of thousands sometimes so they
00:42:33.340come and they they basically rapidly conquer spain um under a few different leaders they
00:42:39.380consolidate the this is from like 7-11 to 7-18 so very very quickly uh and then from that point
00:42:46.880on you see we call this the big gulp invasion the big gulp invasion of 7-11 oh it's a 7-11
00:42:52.740wow that's a deep cut deep cut that that added a lot actually
00:42:57.100i'm here that really did add a lot and then there's various times like where the reconquista
00:43:04.840started is disputed by by different people a lot of people say that ferdinand's um consolidation
00:43:11.400is kind of the beginning some people put it later but there was immediate resistance through this
00:43:16.040whole period where you had various you know over hundreds of years then the 700s 800s 900s even
00:43:22.700into the the year a thousand there was basically large scales widespread subjugation some of the
00:43:30.160christians submitted and paid the jizya which is the muslim tax to become don't look at me like
00:43:36.360that don't look at me like that don't give me that it's their word that they said i'm just being
00:43:43.620historically factual here and so they they would basically become vassals and they had to do all
00:43:50.760sorts of stuff like basically they couldn't build churches they couldn't they had to give large
00:43:56.140taxes to their muslim overlords etc etc some of the christians fought to the death some were
00:44:02.460subjugated and then some fled to the mountainous region and this is like if you picture spain
00:44:08.120this is in the northwestern quadrant so this is pelagius yeah pelagius and kingdom of asturia
00:44:15.240forms out of this the reason that they were able to do this is because the northwest part of spain
00:44:20.140this mountainous region was like almost impossible to live in it's mountainous it's kind of barren
00:44:26.000it's sort of a reminiscent of like the taliban oh yeah on the other side like you're gonna flee to
00:44:31.220a mountain area that's very hard to attack yeah nobody could nobody could live there surely yeah
00:44:36.180so they live there they fight yeah they fight back it's it's it's reminiscent in a slower motion
00:44:41.840um version of king alfred and athelny when he goes to the swamp and he's driven to the island
00:44:47.280with just a few of his lords and obviously they drove pelagius and when we say pelagius it's not
00:44:52.900that pelagius yeah i was gonna ask why he was a heretic it's not that pelagius is the the he was
00:44:59.240um in early britain and he was a heretic that basically denied things like original sin
00:45:05.580and other issues related to the nature of man and salvation this is not that guy he just has
00:45:13.940the same name he at first submitted to the muslim rule but then at one point the guy was like yeah
00:45:20.900we're gonna rape your sister and he was like actually no and so he takes off it's amazing
00:45:27.240how many of these storylines too i mean you find them in almost every country in time period but
00:45:31.740i mean it's very much like a brave heart oh yeah robin hood yep uh some people think those stories
00:45:37.740maybe are the same or similar but you see these themes playing out you know david with his mighty
00:45:43.340men fleeing uh to a secure location in the wilderness yep um and uh just just really
00:45:50.420interesting i think one of the things that the history teaches me as i'm reading this i think
00:45:57.460again non-linear but also just understanding the way that you can have expectations for your life
00:46:04.180like you you may do great things pelagius does great things and inspires future generations of
00:46:09.780to fight back but he doesn't see total victory in his time period yep and there's still a lot
00:46:15.560to happen obviously we get into you know ferdinand and alfonso and el sid yeah there was
00:46:20.820but even if you go past their time so 1031 uh you have the collapse of the cordoban caliphate
00:46:29.160yeah like the basically unified conquering of spain by the muslims right devolves into the
00:46:33.840which are these small muslim basically like city state kind of little little kingdoms rival
00:46:40.900kingdoms but then it's really not until 1212 that you have kind of a turning point the battle of
00:46:47.440las navas de telosa which is the way that you say that are you a native spanish speaker i actually
00:46:53.220am wow that's great um so this uh greatly affects the muslim territory then you have
00:46:58.560steady christian gains really 13th through the 15th another couple hundred years castile and
00:47:03.540aragon uh which later they they wrote him into tolkien wrote him into a story to conquer most
00:47:12.080of el andalus uh grenada remains the last muslim stronghold they're paying tribute then to castile
00:47:18.800and then 1492 that's an interesting year the reconquista is completed yep so that's several
00:47:25.260hundred years of getting the you know the muslims out of your country i also think too um you know
00:47:34.640just think about the political situation you can apply it to today where you're like yeah we got
00:47:38.060to get 100 million or more people out of america you better be committed to that task oh yeah it
00:47:45.780reminds me even of some of what happened later in spanish history after 1492 you have the ultimate
00:47:51.680consolidation of a spanish unified christian kingdom that ends up taking place yeah and and
00:47:58.880then later they expel the jews but they also expel no okay i knew it i knew it yeah they they do they
00:48:08.240end up expelling it's actually in this same time the jews and the muslims 1490s um there's an
00:48:14.000expulsion of the jews both from portugal and from spain yeah it's really strange because right after
00:48:18.340that both countries explode on the world scene
00:49:12.960the muslims they can grow in a nation and then the and all pretend to even be christians externally
00:49:18.740and then the second they would have any sign of revolt or outside muslim conquering
00:49:24.000a flip would switch and they would join the muslims and just conquer the whole region again
00:49:29.540so when you think about everything spain did in the the centuries that followed from the 15th
00:49:36.120the 15th century onward uh their great exploration they you know were in the americas they you know
00:49:43.580going out the conquistadors all of that happened and all of it wouldn't have happened rather if
00:49:49.340they hadn't successfully retaken their nation from the muslims yeah i mean consolidated a christian
00:49:56.800empire there there's no mistake that the golden age follows really a consolidation of their own
00:50:01.840people in the kingdoms within and i think it's it's uncomfortable today because of political
00:50:07.340correctness um but but i was even noting yesterday on x i think it was eric weinstein and he was
00:50:13.420talking about he said yeah it's really weird i've i've done a lot of research on immigration
00:50:16.760and he said in every literally every country where immigration has been really pushed
00:50:22.980he said it's never been a welcome practice to the people there right like the people are not
00:50:28.520asking for it in fact they're oppositional to it and he said somebody's pushing it i don't know who
00:50:33.700and i i think you can look at that and you can say okay well in one sense however you answer
00:50:41.500that question we know that people are pushing immigration um and just flooding the countries
00:50:46.760we've had this the last couple years flooding our borders with refugees right but literally the third
00:50:52.580world and you just have to know that until you're willing to combat that problem until you have men
00:50:58.440like el cid and ferdinand and alfonso and many men across generations who say we got a big problem
00:51:05.300it's going to take a lot of work but we have to be a christian people um and it's interesting too
00:51:11.420going back and understanding there's always this dynamic in the crusades time periods even before
00:51:17.540that of you know the christians the jews and the muslims and these are complicated relationships
00:51:22.860Yeah. So a lot of people fail to understand this, that it's like there's some battles where the Christians are fighting the Jews and there was a belief in Portugal and Spain that if you can believe it, that the Jews through money lending practices were subverting the people that oftentimes they were selling out the Christians to the Muslims.
00:51:43.940and then you have the muslims playing both parties against each other so it's it is very complicated
00:51:48.980it's not a simple wooden thing but i think you do have to realize that the christians did realize
00:51:55.260in the reconquista like we got to put an end to that and what they're finding related to this
00:52:00.860immigration conquest um like diversity versus uniformity in terms of even a people's ethnic
00:52:08.740makeup in a nation, is that often the interest in allowing or permitting or working with
00:52:15.620outside nations to bring in a large non-Native population, oftentimes the goal there is to
00:52:22.260ultimately conquer the Native population because a Native population that is religiously and
00:52:28.080ethnically and culturally and racially coherent, they're a people, and the story of that nation
00:52:34.260is where these people who come from this people, these are our fathers, this is our God, these are
00:52:39.420our customs, this is our culture. They bring in often a poor, much poorer non-native population
00:52:46.480and they slowly work this poor non-native population through the population. Why? Because
00:52:52.640it's much easier to manipulate and use that poor non-native population to ultimately undermine the
00:52:58.880unity cohesiveness like a cohesive people like that is very difficult to conquer yeah but once
00:53:05.360you slowly erode the unity of that nation with highly manipulable poor non-native people groups
00:53:14.160that you ultimately end up with this huge growing club to hit the native population over the head
00:53:19.920with it's what we're seeing in in the united states it's what we've been seeing since you
00:53:24.460know not just the heart seller act but certainly since the heart seller act yeah i think massive
00:53:29.660immigration of this kind i've seen the numbers in europe on even the last like 10 to 15 years on
00:53:35.040i mean like over 10x increase in like rape of the native white population and yeah i think one of
00:53:43.300the big questions in america is well we know that a reconquista can happen the question is would the
00:53:49.140people have the will to do it and would we have the right leaders to affect that because you have
00:53:54.360to understand like the will is everything else it and others had the will to do it and this guy
00:54:00.440who was undeterred and if it meant going through the muslim towns and you know just squashing
00:54:05.740rebellion by killing everyone uh he was willing to do that i don't see a leadership right now
00:54:11.200that's willing to do that no i mean even what was that was it that lutheran pastor who said
00:54:15.380this is almost a quote he said something like no i wouldn't want to um limit immigration in order
00:54:23.020to protect my children from violent crime or my congregation yeah and this was allegedly a
00:54:31.640christian position yeah it i hear that quote i'm just like you these kinds of leaders don't
00:54:38.520understand political leaders and religious leaders they don't understand how insane that sentiment
00:54:45.180sounds to just about everybody under 35 like males under the age of 35 particularly white
00:54:51.300males under the age of 35 in america today they don't understand how obviously sinful and not
00:54:57.620just wrong but obviously wicked that sentiment sounds yeah i think there's a mix i think you
00:55:03.240have a lot of npcs who don't understand how badly they're being played but then i think there's a
00:55:08.380lot of nefarious actors who very much understand what unfettered immigration is doing to a country
00:55:13.560yeah um it kind of brings me to another point which is that the first stage of the resistance
00:55:20.220was really Pelagius and it was kind of more of the like, we're going to batten down the
00:55:27.080hatches and find a place to retreat to and just protect our heritage so it can survive.
00:55:45.520So what I envision is that places like Ogden will sort of serve as, you know, the mountains of Asturias did where we're saying, look, we do want to fight.
00:55:56.080We do eventually want to go on the offensive, but first we just have to protect what we have.
00:58:05.760Yeah, I think that's really, really a good insight.
00:58:08.280And I think that as we think about our roles, one of the things that's been helpful to me, we'll talk about El Cid.
00:58:16.520I think he sort of typifies the great man theory of history that great men are the ones who are doing a lot of the work, the heavy lifting.
01:05:45.160So, but this is kind of like the wisdom of passing on an inheritance so that it's not a nightmare for your people to have to sort out because people are like, well, I don't want to offend.
01:05:57.460I mean, Ferdinand, he did this great work and united a bunch of these because the dynamic in medieval Europe and Spain at this period had basically adopted the culture, the chivalric culture.
01:06:12.240of medieval europe yeah so they were modeled very similar in their monarchy their knights knights
01:06:16.820like the reason el cid constantly went and sought a lord is because there wasn't really a category
01:06:21.900for a good knight to just be a lone ranger i mean you have like chivalric feudal system and he needed
01:06:28.100a lord so ferdinand does this great work of uniting spain and bringing together like a lot
01:06:34.800of Spain under one banner. But when he dies, instead of saying Sancho II, who was the oldest
01:06:42.320son, he probably should have put Sancho in charge of the whole kingdom and said, we're keeping the
01:06:51.680kingdom united because a lot of potency comes from that united front. Even later, the Cordoban
01:06:58.940muslim empire like we talked about when it devolved in these typhus and just
01:07:03.260into small little kingdoms that's when the christians were able to reconquer it the same
01:07:08.320thing happened in reverse you have all of a sudden sancho the second warring against alfonso
01:07:13.220the sixth the second born and then garcia the something i can't remember he's kind of the
01:07:18.840lamest of the three ultimately sancho kind of reconquers his brothers he refuses to submit to
01:07:26.620the arrangement and says no we need to be united and the other brothers don't agree to be fair he
01:07:32.520did say we need to be united and i'm in charge he tries to alfonso oldest brother alfonso flees when
01:07:39.480he loses and he goes off you know and then he becomes like this great ruler later but uh sancho
01:07:45.640conquers and uh then at kind of the peak it looks like he's got it all and el sid is like his
01:07:52.760master warrior who's brought about all this greatness and victory well then Sancho is
01:07:58.620murdered like assassinated in his sleep or something like that well and I think it's
01:08:03.900clear from reading the historical record that El Cid really believed it was probably Alfonso
01:08:09.140he made him which is why he and if by the way there's a movie with Charlton Heston called El
01:08:14.380Cid and that scene is really funny because he's like it's Charlton Heston a white American
01:08:20.560playing the spaniard playing the spanish but in charlton heston finished he's like swear to me
01:08:25.600like it wasn't you and he's like i swear and he's like swear again yeah you know three times he made
01:08:32.320him do it three times was highly embarrassing for alfonso i mean it did that was pretty clear
01:08:37.240it was like an accusation yeah he believed he pretty much believed the the the worst part too
01:08:42.640side note is uh garcia the the third son the youngest he pretty much ends up in prison most
01:08:48.720of his life like ferdinand you know hands off the kingdom and he's like yeah garcia you you get this
01:08:53.840kingdom up here i think it was like the most northwestern part of the of the kingdom and then
01:08:58.880you get north dakota which is actually where the kingdom of story ends up being he ends up in in
01:09:05.140in you go right to jail when uh the first civil war takes place and then later alfonso comes back
01:09:11.720after sancho is assassinated and he just puts him in prison again and so this poor youngest brother
01:09:19.080as a youngest brother can i just say solidarity with garcia poor guy ended up in jail most of his
01:09:26.060life by his own brothers kind of sucked i know i'm kind of with the oldest brother here um actually
01:09:31.980it is funny dan told me one time he was like i'm working with you and brian he's like two younger
01:09:35.860brothers and i was like i'm not the younger brother i'm the older brother and then it took
01:09:39.560me a moment and then i realized i am the younger brother like actually you were but not in my mind
01:09:45.900no i i do the same thing that's what youngest i'm like i'm the oldest right they're like brian
01:09:49.620you're literally the youngest you're literally there are no siblings younger than you but i mean
01:09:54.920but are they really older than me but are they i don't know yeah and you know we've run into this
01:09:59.580kind of storyline all the time uh throughout our talk with the crusades and christendom
01:10:05.820is the amount of destructive infighting that happens.
01:18:35.480yeah um we've done our jousting uh that's happened um but i think looking at the bigger
01:18:42.320picture is part of it yeah and then realizing too i think this this goes a long way i said
01:18:48.680this the other day on on twitter number one you're not that significant right if you died
01:18:54.380tomorrow the beat goes on god's gonna raise up other people yeah so that's number one but number
01:18:58.920two there is the ability to cultivate this instinct and it's it's actually quite simple
01:19:03.940you go online or you see something someone else does who's a christian brother and you say
01:19:08.580i don't agree with them well anyway and then you simply move on with your life and you don't say
01:19:16.020it has now become my mission i don't understand to hate everything about them and and you know
01:19:22.620that it's gone to levels of ridiculousness when you're you're chastising somebody for doing
01:19:28.220something that you yourself did five minutes prior oh yeah but but you see this do you not
01:19:33.000with even brothers where it's like that sinful desire where it's like i just want to see my
01:19:37.240brother get in trouble yeah you were like wait didn't you just do that thing though anyway i
01:19:41.860think just to put that to death um it really is part of the you know i guess something in the
01:19:47.440water here in ogden where we're trying to say we can celebrate each other's victories yes it's we
01:19:52.620need to be working together and it's a it's a constant challenge because there's always this
01:19:56.400tension between um my conviction is that things would go the best if we would identify this
01:20:02.640particular enemy or this particular tactic of the enemy and address it in this way. And this is my
01:20:09.000read of the cultural landscape. This is my read of the tactical landscape. This is my read of the
01:20:13.400need of the hour. This is my read of the direction we should be going. And then somebody else who
01:20:17.640comes along and you're like 90, 80 to 98% aligned. You're Christians, you know, maybe you have a
01:20:24.200baptismal difference, or maybe you have a tat you read and they read that whole situation
01:20:28.900different than you, whether partly different or a lot different. And what we ought to be able to do
01:20:34.700is have normal reason discussions about those differences and just, and then everybody walk
01:20:41.580away and say, now I'm going to live in accordance with my conscience and my reading of the situation,
01:20:46.160but I'm going to do so in a way that I don't, like, I think, whatever your reading of the
01:20:51.160situation is, I think a misreading of the situation is I'm now going to make my entire
01:20:55.540personality or some hugely significant portion of my entire online activity or activity in
01:21:01.100the church, attempting to destroy a brother or brothers or group or this group that has
01:21:07.140a different read of that situation than me, instead of saying, yeah, here's the five ways
01:21:12.840we disagree, and they're maybe significant.
01:21:16.240Now, I'm going to go and do what I think is tactically necessary and important this time,
01:21:21.300And I, I trust that they're going to go do what's tactically they think is correct in this time. And we need to be able to have the gear to say, we don't agree. We're not pretending like we agree on everything, but also how absolutely retarded would it be to take most of my energy and put it into trying to destroy them?
01:21:41.800yeah and you can look at alfonso and the sid and you're like dude you lost battles because you were
01:21:47.700too proud you're too proud like it's just practically like one of the things this means
01:21:53.200is that for me the my approach to a lot of this stuff on social media is that i just block guys
01:22:00.020that are whose if your whole thing is brother warring if your whole thing is just engaging in
01:22:07.240crab barrel, gossip fest, gotcha, alleged journalism, this kind of stuff. If that's
01:22:14.480your whole thing, I will just block you and try never to think about you again and move on.
01:22:18.860And I think more of us need this. I think there's so many of these guys that,
01:22:23.000and you see a pivot somewhere where three years ago or five years ago or a year ago,
01:22:26.920they were just like kind of doing normal Christian stuff. And then they get latched
01:22:31.140done as some controversy and they never let it go until everything they do is just, what's the
01:22:39.180word, ruminating on that controversy. Yeah. And I think part of it is there can be real principle
01:22:45.600in a lot of these things. I'm sure Alfonso felt principled. Pride is, the one thing we have to
01:22:52.820realize, pride is blinding to us. Yeah. And so if you have it, you don't know you have it.
01:22:58.640But one of the things that's helped me is saying like, well, do you really care about the mission success?
01:23:03.540And if you do, then it has to be about, you know, the men and the mission and not about who gets glory.
01:23:11.360But also I do think with the online stuff, part of the problem is you build an online platform and then controversy is actually one of the main drivers for traffic.
01:24:20.360So we're going to talk a lot about that kind of stuff over there. You know, you can look at hard men, the brutal American, you can look at all these projects. And the main thing we're trying to do in each of them is say, what would it like building Christendom? What is it really going to take?
01:24:34.220And then we think all of these different projects contribute to the constituent parts well, and trying to spend 80 to 95% of our energy on those foundational building block things that the big E on the I chart kind of stuff that can actually contribute to that.
01:24:50.720and what can happen we've we've certainly been there before what can happen is that you start
01:24:56.840to get pulled in constantly into these kinds of things and before you know it it can be all you
01:25:05.700do yeah before you know it you can completely forget about the muslims in the south of spain
01:25:10.700and you're just like how can i beat alfonso how can i beat sancho how can i beat this guy over
01:25:17.920here. And the, you know, who wins the Muslims win. Yeah. And I think just as a point of
01:25:24.040encouragement to one of the things that obviously for, for a lot of us as we're seeking to build
01:25:28.220like, and particularly an idea like Christendom, it can be very discouraging when you have
01:25:32.800internal or external fights among your own people that sap you of strength. One of the
01:25:38.200stories that has really encouraged me is Joseph and his brothers and David and Saul, and just
01:25:42.960saying you know by god's appointment all things stand this day psalm 119 and faithfulness you
01:25:48.780have afflicted me and just trusting that god in his providence will use this to to strengthen and
01:25:54.820train our hands for war to do more good work so i think also not to get this because it can be
01:26:01.200very discouraging yeah when you're like you had 90 of my time last year was spent like defending
01:26:08.960my own good name against brothers attacking or whatever it is, or it could be internal.
01:26:14.160And so just to know that the Lord is sovereign, he's at work in those things too.
01:26:18.280But then to your point, I think as people move forward, yeah, I would just encourage
01:26:25.420them to think on that is my main goal, myself, self-aggrandizement and tearing down other
01:26:37.740Yeah, even Christian men with whom you disagree about significant things.
01:26:41.460Again, looking at that landscape, you had the kingdom of Asteria, you had Christians
01:26:45.560that remained even under subjugation, you had people with different roles, and you can
01:26:51.620make judgment calls about who was right and who was wrong in different times, that's certainly
01:26:56.060true, and yet one of the most primal and abiding concerns of the instruction of the Lord to
01:27:04.300his people is the unity of the church and our love for one another so and it's it's the kind of
01:27:11.240love that is able to say i disagree with my brother over there i think he's wrong i think
01:27:17.040he sinned i think he's wrong somewhere on that spectrum and yet still say but he's my brother
01:27:23.060i'm gonna seek unity and i'm gonna seek humility and yeah i'm gonna seek bold obedience to what
01:27:29.320i believe are my duties in in light of my reading of the tactical concerns of the day but man it's
01:27:36.220just like again who wins when we devolve into treating the church like you know basically a
01:27:43.780bunch of football clubs that are all trying to win the world cup against each other instead of
01:27:50.200is that a soccer reference yes that was i thought you like sports references oh yeah i like sports
01:27:56.040i just don't do soccer i'm sorry it's the most popular sport on earth i know that's uh you know
01:28:01.100i formative years in england man i just it was the there you go there you go you know maybe i
01:28:08.620wish it would have been rugby but i i last i was in talk about a country that needs a reconquista
01:28:13.560the uk man just start expelling people oh my goodness like they're in trouble one of the
01:28:19.980questions i did want to ask you um this is kind of the sad there's a lot of the stories by the way
01:28:25.260we're else said there's a good section and defenders of the West Raymond
01:28:29.400Ibrahim but it is sad too he dies and the Muslims are like yay he's dead
01:28:34.400finally we're gonna go retake Valencia and they do his his wife actually leads
01:28:41.080the charge for a while to protect Valencia but it is retaken and yeah that
01:28:47.120could be like a massive black pill that this guy did all this stuff he
01:28:52.320protected spain um but this the other thing is like maybe why you need a long range reading a
01:28:59.080history it is retaken but in the long haul el cid becomes like a hero of spain yes um by the way i
01:29:07.740had posted a little bit about el cid just saying to people that we'd be covering this on king's
01:29:12.020hall and one gentleman who's like a spanish historian like from spain uh he responded and
01:29:19.520And he was like, you don't understand, like El Cid to this day in Spain is like, he's like our John Wayne or George Washington, you know, like he's one of those figures.
01:29:30.180And I had quoted the one quote talking about how he was a gift from the Almighty.
01:29:34.680And the guy immediately, he's like, oh, that's a quote from this guy.
01:29:37.500And so it's just really interesting that this is pertinent to the people of Europe today.
01:29:43.960One thing I would encourage people, by the way, I want to ask you about that, but I want to encourage people.
01:29:48.060i've seen that there's a reprinting of camp of the saints uh that is coming out and i've covered
01:29:54.740it on hard men podcast with charles haywood but he has said charles has this is probably
01:30:02.020the most important book of the 20th century it's been blacklisted for years um so one of your
01:30:08.160people i think it's john raspail but john he's french john um but this is being republished
01:30:14.520And basically, Charles was saying, he said, look, you had Brave New World, and then you had 1984, and everybody said, these are just dystopian.
01:30:23.940These are the best stuff you can read.
01:30:25.320And Charles said, no, the best you can read is Camp of the Saints.
01:30:28.800It's fundamentally about how the church in Europe, and particularly in France, like it's fiction, but they lead an invasion from India and celebrate an invasion from India into their country.
01:30:42.540and basically he's making fun of the church and the priests and all the stupid people
01:30:47.400who are cheerleading this the immigration and bait yes and it basically ends with like the
01:30:52.600rape of europe yeah and john russbill is saying like i told you yeah so it was this came out what
01:30:59.02060s or 70s um no one would reprint it they the publisher like blocked the rights but it's finally
01:31:04.560coming out so i'd encourage people to read that and kind of understand like people were prophesying
01:31:10.440what's happened to the West back in the 60s and 70s.
01:37:35.900I was just thinking about how insane this messaging is of like, if Christian Americans say, no, we're not going to submit to Hindi and Indian Hindu immigration, and we're not going to allow our cities to be conquered by Islamists, and we're not going to allow our cities to be conquered by Jews, and we're not going to allow our cities to be conquered by fill in the blank with all these non-native people groups coming in.
01:38:03.240And of course, everyone, the biggest warning is like, well, be careful of like this, create
01:38:07.700this white identitarianism, guys, you might commit this white identitarian sin.
01:38:11.840It would be like looking at the Spaniards in the Reconquista and saying, guys, the biggest
01:38:17.500thing you need to avoid right now is Islamophobia and Spanish identitarianism.
01:38:24.560When you put it in any other context historically and you say, what would you call the person
01:38:31.160who gave that assessment of the situation an idiot and that's james lindsey and and all of
01:38:39.820his ilk like well the same yes and the other thing you have to ask is where's the money coming from
01:38:44.440like when you see a guy continually at public speaking events and you see him somehow financially
01:38:52.460supported but there's like no obvious reason it's not a professor anywhere things it's not a
01:38:56.960professor anywhere just connected to other shady money people who are connected to the deep state
01:39:01.400and they're going around like the left always projects so they're always going around like
01:39:06.140accusing people of being like bought and sold paid opposition like man you have paid opposition on
01:39:11.320your mind a lot yeah you sure do have a lot of like you seem to think everybody's taking secret
01:39:16.280money from others in order to accomplish their subversive goals right where'd you get that idea
01:39:21.420yeah i mean it's crazy and i think too i think being wise to the play um there's a lot there's
01:39:27.060been a lot of like on the right victories in the last year but i'm kind of leery about
01:39:33.160the the number of people who have been pushed forward who are especially the indian thing
01:39:42.360oh yeah so even somebody like tulsi gabbard if you look in her past like she was married to a
01:39:46.720guy they had like the red dot on the forehead ceremony and you've got jd vance and that's going
01:39:52.160on you've got cash patel you've got vivek ramashamalana ding dong trying to be like an
01:39:58.440american from ohio like i'm i'm a real american so so i think part of it too is like we don't
01:40:04.400have to be hateful or rude um but we do have to kind of be savvy and cunning and be weary of the
01:40:12.020plays that are being run against us and then i think uh just very frankly like pastorally
01:40:17.360we have to be willing to speak to the hard issues um yeah like we'll talk about in the after hours
01:40:23.800with larry arn i don't like personally dislike larry i don't even know who he is uh but i think
01:40:30.700he's dead wrong and that's a destructive message for the church i i would say to somebody you know
01:40:35.860like Kevin DeYoung, who's doing that show with him, like these guys who posture as I'm the
01:40:42.700conservative, respectable voice in reformed Presbyterianism. No, you're not. No, you're not.
01:40:49.600Um, and, and we just have to be bold about that. Um, there's, there's people who want to see the
01:40:54.420country subverted. So I think being, uh, you know, growing, growing our spine back, I think is really
01:41:00.420important. Um, the long-term history, we talk about this a lot with Postmill and then we'll
01:41:05.260close with this the long-term post-mill history why is it so important not to just look at a loss
01:41:11.460today yeah and think we're cooked we we have to look at the long term the lord seems to love
01:41:18.860to disguise victory as defeat yep he does this all the time oh yeah where the very thing that
01:41:28.360was the the stone that got the avalanche the rock slide of victory started is often some it just
01:41:34.740looks pitiful. It looks like a defeat. It looks like you're absolutely cooked. It's all over.
01:41:39.700You're King Alfred in the swamp. You're the kingdom of Asturia out in the barren, the barrens
01:41:44.380of Northwest Spain. And then God just slowly chips away. And he turns that ultimately into
01:41:51.460the very thing that steals the people for victory and prepares them for it. That's why I don't think
01:41:56.600we're there yet because the people haven't suffered enough. And I hate that. I don't want
01:42:01.140that to be the case i want us to be able to look with clear sight and be like men of issachar who
01:42:05.200know the times and just turn the will to the victory and to to justice and to glory but so
01:42:13.060often it takes where your back's against the wall there's no other option there's no other option
01:42:18.640but victory or total defeat and you descend into you're deleted from history right so god loves to
01:42:25.000do that but the other thing i think about this and to the to the the long haul aspect of what you
01:42:30.000just said we tend to fast forward historical events in our minds when we're retelling them
01:42:35.500it's difficult to not do this kind of time dilation where we read of the reconquista
01:42:40.000and we fail to recognize that we're just we just talked about 700 years of history yeah
01:42:46.320700 years of history when el sid died he probably wasn't that confident of everything going on
01:42:53.920in spain um absolutely not i mean so often we we read a story in history we tend to push past all
01:43:03.440of the the years the months years decades and centuries of pain and misery before the victory
01:43:09.280and go yeah yeah but get to the victory and and the the reason that's a disservice is because
01:43:15.800then in a microcosm when we come to our own lives and we're like i've been working at something for
01:43:20.200two whole years. It hasn't worked yet. America's not Christian again yet. Ah, dang it. We must
01:43:27.920have the wrong plan. People do this all the time. They're like, oh, Moscow, Idaho, you guys are all
01:43:34.740into Christian nationalism, right? Well, you've been working on Moscow, Idaho for 30, 40 years
01:43:39.780now, and you're not even a Christian city. Boo, boo, boo. And you're like, so do you read? Do you
01:43:45.740know how long things worth doing takes right people can do this to any day of small beginnings
01:43:51.020and just say you're so far from your ultimate objective your strategy must be wrong it doesn't
01:43:58.620actually follow that your strategy must be wrong what if in god's providence some things just take
01:44:03.260a long time what if some of these things unfold over millennia not over decades or not over months
01:44:08.020well i mean you can even think about like historical redemption and the way that you
01:44:14.180get from eve to christ and the promise even even like how she names her kids like oh he's going to
01:44:20.840be the one and you're like god's like uh i have gotten a man from the lord let's wait a couple
01:44:26.840thousand years uh but but i do think that that is the lord seems to love to write the stories in a
01:44:32.080way that show that only it could only be the answer that he is working providentially over
01:44:37.200the long haul in a way that no human could yeah nobody could have orchestrated that uh it would
01:44:42.440It had to be the Lord, and it was the Lord.
01:44:44.580But I think that should also encourage us and give us confidence that whatever we're seeing in the short term blips on the screen, ultimately the Lord's plan is being carried out.
01:44:53.960And like El Cid, that should cause us to burn all the more brightly and seek to be a glory where God's put us.
01:44:59.720Not to say, well, you know, whatever happens, happens.