The King's Hall - October 21, 2022


Final Principles for The New Christendom

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00:00:36.460 Patrick Henry gave the following speech to the Second Virginia Convention on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia.
00:00:47.840 The question before the house is one of awful moment to this country.
00:00:51.780 For my part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery.
00:00:58.220 Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense?
00:01:03.020 I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country.
00:01:07.680 Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope.
00:01:13.100 But is this the part of wise men engaged in a great struggle for liberty?
00:01:17.840 Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes see not, and having ears hear not,
00:01:25.440 the things which so nearly concern their salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may
00:01:32.220 cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it. I know of
00:01:39.600 no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there
00:01:47.420 has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes
00:01:52.280 for which gentlemen have been pleased to comfort themselves and the house. Is it that insidious
00:01:58.840 smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir. Suffer not yourselves
00:02:05.600 to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves, are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love
00:02:12.140 and reconciliation. Let us not deceive ourselves, sirs. These are the implements of war and
00:02:20.480 subjugation, the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, has Great Britain
00:02:28.560 an enemy in this quarter of the world to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?
00:02:34.580 No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us. They can be meant for no other. And what have
00:02:41.540 we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last 10 years.
00:02:49.020 Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We
00:02:54.880 have petitioned. We have remonstrated. We have supplicated. We have prostrated ourselves before
00:03:00.840 the throne and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of Parliament.
00:03:06.880 Our petitions have been slighted.
00:03:09.080 Our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult.
00:03:12.720 Our supplications have been disregarded, and we have been spurned with contempt from the foot of the throne.
00:03:21.060 In vain, after these things we may indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation.
00:03:28.520 There is no longer any room for hope.
00:03:31.860 If we wish to be free, we must fight.
00:03:35.700 I repeat it, sir.
00:03:37.080 We must fight and appeal to arms and to the God of hosts.
00:03:41.200 That is all is left us.
00:03:43.380 It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.
00:03:46.540 The war is actually begun.
00:03:49.280 Our brethren are already in the field.
00:03:51.400 Why stand we here idle?
00:03:53.320 Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
00:04:00.000 Forbid it, almighty God.
00:04:01.460 I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.
00:04:09.800 The King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well and win the world.
00:04:17.960 And many times in the history of humanity, we have come to battles that we did not want to fight,
00:04:24.220 that we wish that our fathers or their fathers had fought when the battle was small and winnable.
00:04:29.940 Many times men have abdicated their problems to their sons.
00:04:34.600 Brothers, this time is no different.
00:04:36.580 We have come to a battle that looks impossible to win.
00:04:40.060 We have few resources and fewer men.
00:04:42.880 But because of the neglect and the intentional dismantling of Christendom,
00:04:47.040 we have been pushed into a corner and the fight has come to us.
00:04:51.920 American Christianity by and large has abandoned its weapons 0.99
00:04:55.340 and have fled the battlefield like cowards. 0.84
00:04:59.120 The word of God is not found in their churches, and the works of our forefathers in the faith
00:05:04.300 have gone disregarded. Instead, we are left with the types of leaders in the church that Jude warns
00:05:11.220 us of. Jude says, for certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this
00:05:18.340 condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God
00:05:25.900 and our Lord Jesus Christ. These are spots in your love feasts. While they feast with you without
00:05:31.100 fear, serving only themselves, they are clouds without water, carried about by winds, late
00:05:36.840 autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots, raging waves of the sea, foaming up
00:05:42.740 of their own shame, wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
00:05:50.220 These men have led many astray and have dismantled Christendom brick by brick by allowing the world
00:05:55.760 to loot her. In this episode, we'll be laying out the final principles of building the new
00:06:01.180 Christendom that we discussed in season one. We will be discussing the battle map and what needs
00:06:06.120 to be done in this battle. As Patrick Henry says, the war is actually begun. Our brethren are already
00:06:14.180 in the field. Why stand we here idle? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the
00:06:21.400 price of chains and slavery. Forbid it, almighty God. The world continues to make its advance.
00:06:29.300 Some fight and many open the doors of their churches. The question for today is what is
00:06:38.500 the battle and how do we fight? And so joining me today is Eric Kahn. Yes. That Patrick Henry,
00:06:48.720 Man, I was getting fired up.
00:06:50.380 Yeah, me too.
00:06:50.800 I didn't know what to do.
00:06:51.700 Maybe I should stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance or something.
00:06:54.160 No.
00:06:55.020 No, actually, don't do that.
00:06:56.080 That's actually bad.
00:06:56.880 You could sing the Star Spangled Banner.
00:06:58.560 Yeah.
00:06:59.120 Yeah.
00:06:59.900 I was actually thinking of Jim Croce's Big Jim Brown.
00:07:02.520 You don't mess with him.
00:07:03.760 You don't mess with Patrick Henry.
00:07:05.760 No.
00:07:06.340 No, I don't think I'd mess with him.
00:07:07.960 No.
00:07:08.380 No, and I'm also joined by Brian Sauve.
00:07:11.360 Gentlemen, it's a pleasure.
00:07:13.000 It's been a pleasure here in season one of the King Saul.
00:07:16.160 How many episodes have we done?
00:07:17.440 somewhere between a billion trillion million and feels like a lot of trillion billions and billions
00:07:24.100 and billions and billions yeah feels like a lot of them so this is the season finale yeah over 30
00:07:30.260 and so kind of to give a roadmap of where we're going today we're going to give a review of where
00:07:38.540 we've been uh where have things gone wrong in christianity you know and and thus why why i mean
00:07:45.340 like what's wrong now. Those problems are usually somewhat related. Where have things gone wrong?
00:07:51.900 What is the state of the church now? And then what is our proposed plan of action? What is the
00:07:59.120 battle? Where is the battle? How do we fight it? And so that's where we're going today.
00:08:03.920 Final principles for season one. I guess just tackling the first question. In the first season,
00:08:11.160 we addressed some of the issues with the church, where it had gone wrong in Christendom 1.0.
00:08:19.080 And when I say Christendom 1.0, I mean like all the way up to where we are now,
00:08:22.880 the death of Christendom 1.0 slowly, even in the 18th, 19th centuries.
00:08:29.400 So where did things go wrong with Christendom 1.0 in review?
00:08:34.900 Man, that is a large question, but I guess I'll start.
00:08:37.780 One of the big things that we talked about was Big, Fast, and Famous.
00:08:40.500 Yeah.
00:08:41.160 which is really a 20th century thing, mid-20th century.
00:08:44.880 But certainly early 20th century, there was this fixation and fascination with celebrity status.
00:08:50.140 We've seen that only compound and grow.
00:08:52.420 And so we've seen megachurches thrive.
00:08:54.820 We've seen people like Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Willow Creek, Saddleback Church was Rick Warren.
00:09:02.820 But a lot of that movement just exploded.
00:09:04.640 And so, you know, basically Walmart became a church building and they look basically indistinguishable as well.
00:09:12.820 I think that was actually one of the early things that we touched on that seemed to resonate a ton.
00:09:17.420 Correct me if I'm wrong, but that really resonated a ton because I would say the majority of us just grew up with that.
00:09:22.360 That was the air we breathed.
00:09:23.460 Well, and if you really think about Christendom 1.0, even in the heyday, you had bishops and the whole Roman Catholic structure where you'd have popes living licentious lives of fame, essentially.
00:09:38.320 As I was teaching church history, there was one pope in particular.
00:09:41.760 He had two men that he hired to shovel money to make sure that there was enough space in the treasury vault so that they could keep bringing in more money.
00:09:51.020 Well, that's probably just good practice.
00:09:52.780 I mean, it's money management is what you call it.
00:09:56.260 So, I mean, this is just a human tendency, right, is to want to be famous, to want to grow big and fast.
00:10:04.080 And so it's not anything unique to just like, oh, it was 20th century Christianity.
00:10:08.400 Yeah, I think what's unique about it now is that mass and telecommunications have allowed people's platforms to grow so much bigger.
00:10:15.180 So because Rick Warren can access so many different people now, you know, you couldn't have Rick Warren without suburbia plus telecom.
00:10:24.740 Rick Warren has personally converted over 17 billion people.
00:10:28.340 And planted 100 trillion churches.
00:10:31.700 In several galaxies.
00:10:33.280 Yes.
00:10:33.800 Yes.
00:10:34.120 You know, I think one of the issues related to this kind of big, fast and famous revivalism kind of thing.
00:10:42.800 Also, we have to say that one of the themes I think that's run through some of these episodes diagnosing the problem is like a manufactured rootlessness where we've had significant cultural disruption through the generations with, and not just in the church, but everywhere.
00:11:00.380 Yeah, all the culture.
00:11:01.240 This massive disruption in the normal succession from father to son, mother to daughter, in families, and the Industrial Revolution, a lot of these kind of factors come together to where we have a real cultural issue that isn't just religious or spiritual or within the church, but that the church handled in many ways by kind of baptizing rootlessness, baptizing a culture that didn't honor mother and father, that didn't honor the theological tradition that we were coming from.
00:11:31.240 But kind of moved ancient barriers flippantly, quickly, without pause, some of it in service of that big, fast, and famous, like let's get rid of all this old stuffy stuff so that we can make church more palatable and appealing to people just in general to come make them more comfortable and make it easier and easier and easier, lowest common denominator.
00:11:53.660 Really, I think that goes into this conversation as well.
00:11:56.540 Yeah, absolutely.
00:11:57.100 I mean, what you see with the, I guess, the secularizing of the liturgy, you are accepting worldly standards into your church service to make it more palatable for worldly people.
00:12:10.440 And so that's a theme that's also run throughout church history is that you have the church slowly ceding ground to the world, to the state, whomever it may be, and essentially just abdicating large chunks of their responsibility to other spheres of authority that eat it up.
00:12:32.720 And so, yeah, whether it's the liturgy, whether it's hospitals or education or many of these things, they've just slowly been relegated to the point where the church was no longer a big deal with authority that was actually recognized to, hey, church, just stay in your corner and we'll grant you tax-free status as long as you stay in your lane.
00:12:57.520 Yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting too, Dan, because I think about some of these early topics that we've discussed in the season, how they've impacted people. I think one of the biggest encouragements I've seen is people are hungry for exactly that diagnosis. And then people are already kind of in the place where they're saying, yeah, that is a problem. Nobody's talking about this. It hasn't been addressed by the church.
00:13:20.980 Obviously, it's sort of like, you know, Big Pharma is not the one that's probably going to break the case on how Big Pharma is corrupt.
00:13:27.920 Well, you could say the same about Big Eva.
00:13:30.500 But I've just been encouraged to see that there are people who want off that train.
00:13:34.080 There are people who are seeking to build churches differently.
00:13:37.080 I know we're going to talk more about that, but I just thought as we were talking about this, it's been really cool to see kind of an eye opening among a lot of the church on these issues.
00:13:47.220 Yeah, absolutely.
00:13:47.880 Even just thinking about some of the, I think, one resonating issue as well as theological minimalism.
00:13:54.260 Thinking about the way that, in many ways, I think early in our podcast, what we were just doing is describing much of our own experience and kind of saying, like, anybody else see this?
00:14:07.040 Anybody else go through this before?
00:14:08.460 For me, a couple years ago, that theological minimalism light bulb was so big to being able to understand and diagnose, like, where have we gone wrong over the past centuries, and especially in an accelerated way in the last century, and how did we get there?
00:14:25.700 And once you give it that name of theological minimalism, where we're just trying to boil down the faith into the fewest number of things you must do or believe to be a Christian, let's make it as easy as possible, kind of following the, or answering the problem of, well, we're seeing apostasy, we're seeing people leave the faith, we're seeing the decline of Christianity maybe in some regions or denominations in some areas.
00:14:49.600 So let's respond by how can we make it as easy as possible for somebody to come in and be a Christian, you know, quote unquote.
00:14:58.120 Well, just all you have to do, pray this prayer.
00:15:00.740 That's it.
00:15:01.380 Just come to this thing.
00:15:02.820 Pray this prayer.
00:15:04.080 You're in.
00:15:05.440 Just believe in these few doctrines, justification by grace, you know, the inerrancy of Scripture.
00:15:11.260 And we'll kind of shrink down the walls until we're just surrounding this inner keep of the castle.
00:15:18.060 We've been pushed back and pushed back. So we've ceded the town square. We've ceded the outer walls. We've ceded the farms surrounding. We've ceded so much of Christian life from saying that there's anything particularly Christian about how to be a farmer, how to be in many different vocations or different places.
00:15:36.100 And I think that theological minimalism has been one of the biggest, and I just described more than theological minimalism, but, you know, that's been such a root issue with how we've lost so much ground is that literally we did it willingly.
00:15:51.420 Yeah.
00:15:51.640 And it is really difficult to just pigeonhole one issue because they're all connected.
00:15:55.900 They all build on one another.
00:15:57.100 You don't get, you know, cultural syncretism without theological minimalism, without denying the church's authority, without, you know, this, you know, desire for fame and to grow fast.
00:16:09.300 And like, they're all just build on one another, almost like a wave.
00:16:13.240 And I like your analogy of like, the church is essentially relegated to the keep, to the inner walls.
00:16:21.620 And it comes back to revivalism and decisionism there.
00:16:24.620 Well, we've mistaken the door for the whole thing in some ways.
00:16:28.080 Like we've mistaken repentance and conversion, that initial kind of like call to repent and believe the gospel, with sometimes the whole thing.
00:16:36.560 So revivalism, decisionism, theological minimalism are all in bed together.
00:16:42.480 Revivalism ends up replacing rich, robust catechesis, both theological and cultural catechesis, how to be a Christian in every aspect of life, with emotionalism.
00:16:53.380 with having emotional experiences of spirituality, which then infect the church service and the
00:16:59.320 liturgy, converting the church service into an emotional production. You see how all of these
00:17:04.760 things come together to create this absolute monster that just grows and grows and grows 1.00
00:17:12.260 and consumes more and more of Christian culture. And so you look back over your shoulder and you 1.00
00:17:16.260 realize that all of the areas of life and culture that used to be occupied by Christians who had
00:17:21.540 fought for those areas and won them and built there, have been abandoned, conquered and colonized 0.95
00:17:28.080 by pagans and other gods, and we allowed them to do that. So Christendom 2.0 is going to be,
00:17:36.500 you know, we're going to talk about this more, but I mean, it's going to be a fight to go retake
00:17:41.060 those. Yeah. And so you've described like, that's like 90s church, early 2000s church,
00:17:47.200 Like an emotionalistic, convenient experience of a worship service.
00:17:53.580 And so, Eric, what is the state of the church right now?
00:17:57.320 Is that continuing or are we seeing further developments in the church that have been worse?
00:18:04.080 Yeah, I think to a large extent it's continuing.
00:18:06.540 There's a lot of normie-ism in America that hasn't changed even with COVID.
00:18:11.600 But I think that on the flip side of that, there are some people coming awake.
00:18:15.360 We've often talked about how the last couple of years have been an apocalypse and unveiling.
00:18:20.160 And I think a lot of people, we've actually had followers of this show who are like megachurch guys who are like, whoa, I think you guys are right.
00:18:28.040 They're starting to see some of the problems.
00:18:29.760 I think what you run into is 1990s and 2000s church.
00:18:35.340 This is the whole Aaron Wren matrix thing, right?
00:18:37.660 That was positive or neutral world Christianity.
00:18:39.820 you're you're engaging with a positive a world that is thinking positively about christians and 0.83
00:18:46.040 what they do well we're full center of negative world now and i think once you get there there's
00:18:53.420 trials there's persecution the cultural war and the conflict starts heating up the the boomer
00:18:59.900 megachurch christianity lamestream christianity just it's not going to make it and i think a lot
00:19:05.040 of people are recognizing that like if you were going to a church the last two years and your
00:19:10.820 pastor closed and was shaming you for not getting vaxxed and staying masked you realize like this
00:19:17.280 guy is he's got my back but he's got my back with a knife i mean we got to find somewhere else i
00:19:23.140 think there were a lot of people figuring that out and this is also why i think a lot of people like
00:19:27.160 jd greer had all these sermons where they were like shame on you conservative christians for
00:19:33.540 flocking away from our churches. No, good for them. They had every right to leave. They should
00:19:37.440 have left a long time ago. You told them to leave. Yeah, you told them to leave. You shamed them for
00:19:41.580 their existence. So now I think you're seeing something interesting happen. The conversation
00:19:47.260 is kind of shifting, but I think ultimately this is about what's going on in the church,
00:19:51.280 right? We're attacking Doug Wilson. We're attacking Christian nationalism. Why? Because
00:19:55.320 Doug was one of the guys moving the ball forward. So I think you'll continue to see that happen.
00:20:01.720 you're always going to have a large percentage of normies.
00:20:05.880 But I think in my lifetime,
00:20:07.840 this is the most I've ever seen people
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00:20:47.200 do you think do you think guys that the young wrestleson reformed world and i mean peak young
00:20:58.560 wrestleson reformed which is like what 2010 to 2013 do you think that that was something
00:21:05.480 really positive was that just one more flavor of big eva big fast famous
00:21:12.940 what what is that how does that relate to this discussion i know we all lived it yeah that's a
00:21:19.320 really good question i think it still is too soon to say but just as an instinct i think that it's
00:21:27.520 probably going to be viewed as a net positive okay even though the fallout from it even say like
00:21:34.320 80 of the you know the men the fuzz yeah are uh are maybe apostate or you know there's a lot of
00:21:42.440 It's bad. Yeah. There's a lot of chaff, a lot of chaff. That's why I say it's still too early,
00:21:46.600 but I think it's going to be integral in the continued reformation. Like Eric's talking
00:21:52.180 about, I think a reformation, like we're on the cusp, the early days of a reformation. And in
00:21:58.400 part, it's because of what you said, like the schism that's happening in churches.
00:22:02.980 And so you do have churches that are like, you know, the, the experience, you know, the emotional
00:22:08.140 experience felt needs kind of mega churchy but the problem is now they have lady pastors they've 0.94
00:22:12.560 got gays yeah in their worship service like they're continuing to go down that path um just 1.00
00:22:18.100 like the world uh careening off the cliff and then you have churches that are going whoa hold on 0.99
00:22:23.960 wait a minute back up the bus like yeah we can't keep going this direction where do we go wrong
00:22:30.400 yeah let's go back there i think what will happen is as we look back through time we'll see the 0.82
00:22:35.320 Young Restless and Reform Movement as the movement back towards confessional Christianity
00:22:41.500 and conservatism and appreciation of our spiritual forefathers, the reformers,
00:22:48.220 even if most of those men were terrible. So I don't know if you guys agree with me on that
00:22:52.980 or if you disagree. I think you're right. There's been a huge push for going back to
00:22:57.740 traditionalism, confessionalism. I think one of the things that I noticed early on was you'd read
00:23:02.900 somebody like john piper listen to him preach and he'd be a gateway joke you know to jonathan
00:23:07.620 edwards john owen people like that we start reading them and you're like wait a minute
00:23:11.360 you know and this this is one of those realizations that i've had over the years where you're like
00:23:15.620 i i appreciate and respect to john piper for so many things but like his political theology is
00:23:21.880 not one of them it's horrible yeah but then i go back and read the guys that he said we should be
00:23:26.220 reading and i'm like wait a minute samuel rutherford was a based king like this dude
00:23:31.300 knew his political theology, was really working through these ideas, and influenced guys like
00:23:36.280 Patrick Henry, which we read in the opening, right? These guys had actually worked through it.
00:23:40.760 So I think a lot of people are like, listen, everything that we've experienced is so shallow.
00:23:45.160 We're getting a taste of the old things. And I think fundamentally, I go back to something
00:23:49.840 Martin Lloyd-Jones said in his book, Revival and Revivalism. I think it's Revival and Revivalism,
00:23:56.160 something like that. I think it's Revival and Revivalism. I think that's right. But he said,
00:23:59.920 Listen, fundamentally, Reformation is always about going and re-digging the wells of Abraham.
00:24:04.400 It's going back to the old things and finding the old things out again in a fresh, new way that's being applied.
00:24:10.460 That's the crazy thing to me about Doug Wilson.
00:24:13.540 People have said, oh, Doug is such a pariah.
00:24:15.880 He's such a problem.
00:24:17.000 Doug is not doing anything new.
00:24:18.980 He's just pointing back to B.B. Warfield and post-mill theology and guys upstream from him.
00:24:24.880 So I think ultimately you're going to see more and more people in that vein.
00:24:29.720 But I also think something else interesting is happening.
00:24:32.660 The power before was consolidated in things like the Gospel Coalition and these huge megachurches and personalities.
00:24:40.140 Now you're kind of finding a Gideon thing happening where God is consolidating influence, power in the right kind of way in really small, dispersed camps.
00:24:51.500 I think a lot of people probably even get the wrong idea about us.
00:24:54.640 They're like, oh, they must have like a 10,000-person church.
00:24:57.160 Do we not?
00:24:58.240 Uh-huh.
00:24:58.880 Yeah.
00:24:59.720 And, you know, there's like this perception.
00:25:02.200 Praise God, no, by the way.
00:25:03.320 Oh, man.
00:25:04.080 We don't have enough elders for that.
00:25:06.460 And also, I'm going to go on record and say if we had 10,000 people in one church, we've failed.
00:25:12.300 We've failed.
00:25:13.140 And I mean that because why didn't you start an enormous presbytery?
00:25:18.340 Like, why didn't you have 50 churches at that point?
00:25:21.540 But you see what I mean?
00:25:22.300 I think God is doing something to push away from the celebrity culture.
00:25:26.240 And I think we're seeing a lot of rise of guys who are just faithfully pastoring and, you know, outkicking their punk coverage with media ministries and being courageous men.
00:25:36.040 I think you'll see, hopefully, God willing, we'll see more of that.
00:25:39.180 Yeah.
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00:26:48.140 Something that's really interesting about Young, Restless, and Reformed is where it landed
00:26:53.900 really does remind me of some of the things that got the Reformation going.
00:26:58.200 Because the Reformation you have, we're coming towards the time when the printing press began to mean something.
00:27:05.740 because it took it really took 100 or 200 years after the printing press before it became a
00:27:12.180 technology that was ubiquitous like where you could just it was normal to go and see materials
00:27:17.560 printed on a press that stuff got through culture well technological innovation has really increased
00:27:23.060 the rate of adoption it's easier to disperse new technologies over these large supply chains and
00:27:28.260 grids that we have now today but think about where the young restless and reform came in terms of
00:27:34.040 the internet. I mean, we'd had the internet for just a minute. Driscoll was like one of the first
00:27:37.940 guys to utilize. Yeah. The internet, in terms of a usable technology to disseminate information
00:27:44.520 quickly in a high quality way, in a way that began to displace older forms of media. Really,
00:27:51.080 that was right when Driscoll's coming out. I mean, their website, they were one of the first,
00:27:58.720 you know, it was still on the cusp where a lot of churches are still using tapes
00:28:01.260 to distribute their sermons and things like that.
00:28:06.080 And so in some ways, to me, Young, Restless, and Reformed did,
00:28:09.660 because it grew up in the vernacular playbook of Big, Fast, and Famous,
00:28:13.920 it took a lot of that, and it updated it and branded it through new technologies.
00:28:19.160 So it did take a lot of the Big, Fast.
00:28:21.620 There was a ton of Big, Fast, and Famous in the DNA of the thing.
00:28:24.680 Calvinistic Big, Fast, Famous.
00:28:26.080 But then what they did, though, is they touched this.
00:28:28.780 it was almost like they touched the spark to this great big long fuse that reached back 500 years
00:28:36.260 and earlier and they i don't even know if they knew what they were doing when they touched the
00:28:40.440 spark to that fuse and so it started like a lot of people it started with them just going yeah i'm a
00:28:45.460 calvinist plus all the big eva stuff and there's no contradiction that whatsoever but but what it
00:28:50.500 did was with all the frothing of the apostasy and liberalizing and people who were just there for
00:28:55.800 the branding and the music or the popularity and the fast and the celebrityism or whatever.
00:28:59.560 They were just there for Matt Chandler and Mark Driscoll and all that, conferences, John Piper.
00:29:03.900 But a good number of people really did keep following that back and kept going down this
00:29:12.380 burning of this fuse that took them back to this great nuclear bomb of theology and this whole
00:29:19.280 cultural vision of this cathedrals and that whole world of the Reformation. And the Reformation
00:29:24.320 itself takes you all the way back through the church fathers and through just this rich, meaty
00:29:29.080 legacy of Christian history. And so I do think that we might see out of Young, Restless, and
00:29:36.480 Reformed. Young, Restless, and Reformed may have started as another flavor of Big, Fast, and Famous,
00:29:42.760 but I think that the technological moment plus that connection back could lead it to being,
00:29:51.940 like you're saying, Dan, the first gasp or the last gasp of Big Fast and Famous going into a new
00:29:59.220 reformational sort of season by recovery. Do you think that we are headed into a reformation?
00:30:07.380 I think that inevitably we're headed towards massive change, either into huge turmoil,
00:30:16.420 just culturally, I don't mean in the church, either in the form of huge turmoil and reinvention
00:30:23.820 and some kind of reformation out of that, or maybe not as huge turmoil, but increased kind
00:30:32.060 of balkanization. Like you're describing, Eric, a little bit, like these camps, these small
00:30:37.000 decentralized things. The theology of like a Doug Wilson, reformational theology plus really strong
00:30:46.960 post-millennialism plus all of Christ for all of life, this idea of Christianity for every part of
00:30:53.120 life. I think that, I'm mixing my metaphors at this point, but I think that's like this big fire
00:30:58.820 there in Moscow that's putting off sparks that have started fires in other places around the
00:31:05.420 country. I think that's going to keep happening. And that will lead to more and more balkanization
00:31:09.360 where bad churches are going to lose good people. And those good people are going to find,
00:31:15.660 people are listening to this show and they're in Big Fast and Famous, Big Eva type stuff.
00:31:18.740 They're going to keep relocating and starting things. And that's going to grow up into this
00:31:23.840 really, I think, strong sort of reformational culture that I think will win ultimately over
00:31:32.580 the shallowness of the competition. So, I mean, in some ways I'm kind of still figuring this out
00:31:40.180 myself, what I think is going to happen. There's so many variables, but the other option could be
00:31:48.120 that it just keeps going, that this is still for a long time, maybe just a small percentage. Maybe
00:31:54.800 we see big, fast and famous in the form of like Bethel and these compromising churches that are 0.99
00:31:59.260 now having lady pastors and that. Maybe they continue to be culturally dominant for a good 0.92
00:32:03.120 time in some ways. Maybe they integrate with LGBTQ successfully. I just don't see it. I think
00:32:11.460 the story that's played out over and over in history is that when churches do that, they die. 1.00
00:32:16.480 So I'm hoping that that first scenario plays out.
00:32:20.380 Yeah, it's interesting. I would say I've been actually hopeful about it. I know a lot of
00:32:24.400 people have been like, you know, there's fault lines now and there's a lot of turmoil and chaos
00:32:28.880 and conflict. And, uh, I'm a little bit demented in this way to semi quote Alex Jones, but, um,
00:32:35.980 I've actually seen the conflict as a good thing. Um, really what I've noticed is that again, like
00:32:41.980 the OOs, the teens of the 21st century, I was pretty dejected because it was like, yeah, 0.99
00:32:48.560 you read Rush Dooney and Doug Wilson, but Christians were really not awake to what was 1.00
00:32:52.960 going on. The last couple of years, people that I thought would never get off the fence, 1.00
00:32:58.260 got off the fence. And so that's why I think there's opportunity. I tend to think that the
00:33:05.920 conflict is just starting though. I think that usually what the Lord does is you have these
00:33:11.360 intense periods of trial and suffering of some sort. He uses them to refine the church. They're
00:33:16.300 not short. I think that, you know, even if later reformational type work, offshoot of reformation
00:33:23.540 with like the Puritans.
00:33:25.160 Well, yeah, Puritan America came about, 0.63
00:33:27.640 Patrick Henry's America came about,
00:33:29.100 and the men that were produced
00:33:30.220 because there were pastors going to jail
00:33:32.640 for preaching as nonconformists in England.
00:33:36.400 Yeah.
00:33:36.900 Right?
00:33:37.180 So like all this faithfulness and persecution
00:33:40.180 led to a plant, you know,
00:33:43.260 being planted and fruit in America later.
00:33:46.080 Yeah.
00:33:46.520 But I think that's probably what we'll see.
00:33:47.720 I think there's probably going to be
00:33:48.700 intensity of conflict.
00:33:50.720 Yeah, I think you're right.
00:33:51.640 Yeah, and I mean, this is generational work.
00:33:53.540 So even if we don't see this reformation, like a big wholesale reformation, you know, happen in our lifetimes, it wouldn't actually be a surprise. But I do think that we're just on the cusp, like there is a wave rising at the moment because you are starting to see this from churches.
00:34:09.500 There are a few churches. I don't think there are very many churches that are actually faithful churches to the rootedness of Christianity. I think that there are lots of churches that preach the gospel, and there are Christians in those churches.
00:34:27.240 I'm not saying that all of them are apostate unless they look like us or some such nonsense, but I think you're getting a lot of churches that are coming, you know, becoming awake to the reality that the Christianity they've been discipled in is completely foreign to historic Christianity and to the scriptures.
00:34:46.020 And so I think we are on the cusp of that.
00:34:48.500 And a lot of it, I think, is because of Doug Wilson and because of the work that he's done to show, like, here's three generations, four generations worth of work.
00:34:59.600 The other thing I'll say, just in terms of big even, the status there, is we've seen, and this is a blessing from God, we've seen men being exposed and women. 0.89
00:35:11.580 Beth Moore, you know, five years ago, she was still hiding in the fold, pretending to be a Christian. 0.52
00:35:18.680 Now she's like, no, you don't really have to listen to the words of Paul. 0.82
00:35:22.060 I'm sorry, at that point, you're a false teacher and a heretic, openly.
00:35:26.200 Russell Moore, David French, these guys were kind of like hiding. 0.58
00:35:30.420 You know, Russell Moore was at Southern Seminary, and then he was at the ERLC with the SBC.
00:35:35.360 But now he's like, he's outed himself.
00:35:37.360 That was what I had in mind when I read Jude, that these people are actually hiding in your midst and there's stains on your communion service.
00:35:48.040 I mean, yeah. Yeah. So I think that's been a big blessing, you know, just that these guys have been exposed. They're basically political operatives. The Davos video that came out last week, Rick Warren at at this giant World Health Organization event in like 2008, talking about how the church can be weaponized during a pandemic to lead the people in whatever the state wants them to do.
00:36:12.360 like basically rick warren was laying the groundwork for what would happen in the shamdemic
00:36:18.180 we know from megan bashham's reporting that that is in fact rick warren was you know intimately
00:36:23.180 involved with the the dissemination of uh you know propaganda from francis collins and fauci
00:36:28.820 and those guys so again i think that's all really positive i'm really encouraged to see a lot of
00:36:34.020 people standing up to that saying hey you know we have problems here and um you know we know who to
00:36:40.120 stay away from because they're you know they're political operatives really yeah so i think we've
00:36:45.980 got a good lay of the land like where we are where do we come from where are we now and my hope is
00:36:50.800 that next we would lay out some principles yeah you know some principles like these are hills to 0.96
00:36:56.720 die on because here's the thing so many of us uh in in this like bastard culture you know that 0.80
00:37:05.320 doug wilson calls you know father hunger yeah and that robert bly and iron john talks about 0.98
00:37:10.600 you know is this fatherlessness is just an epidemic where where sons don't know their
00:37:15.800 their father yeah essentially and they meaning they don't have the vision they don't have the
00:37:21.040 patriarchal like hey son follow me this is where our family is going these are the values of our
00:37:26.960 family you know this is this is the virtue that our family embodies this is what you will do this
00:37:32.100 who you are. And so a lot of us in many ways are bastards to that. We don't have the vision for 0.99
00:37:38.880 the future and for our generations. And so what I'm hoping to do is through some of this and our
00:37:44.820 continued work is to really give a vision similar to like in the movie Braveheart, William Wallace,
00:37:52.240 he goes into battle and he's going to pick this fight, right? You've got the armies of Scotland
00:37:57.160 and the armies of England that are assembled and the Lords are going to go negotiate. So they get
00:38:01.180 some more wealth and some more lands. And, uh, William Wallace gives this really stirring speech
00:38:08.340 right where he's like, you know, Hey, we need to go fight for our freedom. Um, we need to go and
00:38:14.380 we need to fight. And the people are like, no, yeah, but we're going to die. You know, if we
00:38:18.200 retreat, we'll live. He's like, yeah, you may live, but you would give everything, everything
00:38:24.700 you had on your deathbed with your family gathered around you to go back to today,
00:38:29.080 to go back to right now and to fight for your freedom. And he wins the hearts of these men.
00:38:35.560 And what he did is he said, here's the target. Here is what you are for. You're for freedom.
00:38:41.300 And here's the battle and come and follow me. So what I'm hoping to do is kind of paint a picture
00:38:47.680 of like, where should we go? What are the principles? What is the freedom essentially
00:38:52.980 in this in this case the hill that we should die on and then all start going towards the work of
00:39:00.220 building which would be the thing after that so yeah so dan the other thing i was thinking about
00:39:04.160 this morning i don't know if this is qualifies as a principle you know we're sort of talking
00:39:08.000 about the build fight win and as we've thought about the king's hall right we're saying we don't
00:39:12.880 want to be the kind of guys that just sit in a room and talk about these things and you know
00:39:17.640 intellectually we're you know stimulated and we say oh great conversation and then we go out and
00:39:22.160 people go yeah but you're not doing any of that yeah yeah so i think that's like one of the
00:39:25.760 instincts we've had in this is yeah and we'll show our work at the end of this yeah because we do
00:39:30.280 have things we're working on that's right absolutely and that that is one of the one of
00:39:34.040 the principles i wrote down preparing for this episode was just what you're talking about eric
00:39:38.220 that principle floating in the air disconnected from theological musing isn't enough that we need
00:39:44.660 applied theology the new christendom won't be built without masses of everyday blue collar
00:39:51.860 christians just doing their work christianly yeah i mean it's the same thing as like the the instinct
00:39:58.480 of the of the drunk guy in the pub right who is really upset about something and he froths about
00:40:03.440 it and he gets done venting his anger and he's had a few drinks and then he settles down and he's
00:40:08.440 like well i feel better you know and then he goes home and and sleeps it off but having accomplished
00:40:13.180 absolutely nothing whatsoever so that's not what we're trying to do yeah and i think the other
00:40:17.460 thing brian alluded to this mentioned it is this is one of the things i love about blue collar
00:40:21.640 America, is if you convince them of principles, men have said to us, to me and to us, if that's
00:40:28.780 true, what do I need to go do? And so that's the instinct we're trying to create in ourselves and
00:40:33.720 in other people. Yeah, we need as well, I think even guiding that, this is another principle that
00:40:39.740 has shot through really everything we've done here in season one, and that's to build a new 0.99
00:40:43.700 Christendom, you have to understand the totalizing nature of the Christian faith, meaning that you
00:40:48.160 have to understand that Christ has something to say about every part of what it means to be human.
00:40:54.240 We're not just aiming to build theological eggheads. We're not even just trying to do
00:40:58.780 doctrinal retrieval from times past. Yeah, sure, let's understand the mysteries and the glories of
00:41:07.000 the Church Fathers and the Reformation, and let's tap into that root. Let's do the work of retrieval
00:41:12.800 theologically. Let's make sure that we're rooted to the church organically and deeply,
00:41:19.100 but you have to understand that Christianity is a totalizing faith. It makes demands on 0.74
00:41:25.660 your whole person. Present your bodies as living sacrifices to God. This is your spiritual worship.
00:41:32.060 So when we say Christendom, some people think we mean like ecclesiasticaldom, like we mean
00:41:37.840 just church, church, big church, like church everything. No, no, we mean being Christians
00:41:44.180 in every aspect of human civilization, human society, and human life. And so if we're going
00:41:51.020 to do this thing, it means that, man, we've got to figure out how to do vocation and money
00:41:55.840 Christianly. And is there a way to do that? The answer is yes.
00:41:59.400 It's also interesting to point out, I think a lot of people, when they hear us say that,
00:42:03.340 they think, oh, so you want the church sphere to swallow everything.
00:42:06.680 Yeah, and you're like, no, no, no, no.
00:42:07.580 No, no, no, no.
00:42:08.580 We want everything to be brought under the rule and reign of Christ.
00:42:11.300 Yeah, so just the default worldview of the business owner, when they're doing business, is that of a Christian.
00:42:16.640 When somebody is making political or legislating, they're legislating from a biblical worldview.
00:42:24.120 When somebody is raising their kids, when somebody is going to the grocery store, when a guy is building a bridge, they're all doing it like Christians because there is a Christian way to do those things.
00:42:34.200 Yeah.
00:42:34.400 And so that's what we mean is like every person's default worldview is going to be that of Christianity because they believe the gospel and they've bent the knee to Jesus and they have faith that is living faith.
00:42:48.940 Another way we could say this is that we're aiming to disciple the nations.
00:42:53.660 Well, I mean, I've read that it literally doesn't say disciple the nations.
00:43:01.340 It literally does though.
00:43:02.360 Well, you can't even baptize a nation.
00:43:04.440 Sorry, Tom Hicks.
00:43:05.520 Yeah.
00:43:05.740 Israel and the Red Sea.
00:43:07.160 I mean, you can.
00:43:08.300 You also can in a very...
00:43:10.120 That was old covenant.
00:43:10.760 You know, you can't, but in a very real sense, actually, yes, you can.
00:43:13.820 Actually, yes, you can.
00:43:14.280 But also, nobody is so puerile as to think that you, when the scriptures say, teach the
00:43:19.860 nations, that it literally means like we're going to sit Argentina down as some kind of
00:43:24.280 political entity and disciple it.
00:43:26.640 It's like, of course we mean disciple Argentinians, but they're still Argentinians that make up
00:43:32.300 Argentina. So we're still going to teach Argentina to be Christian. So, I mean, when we're talking
00:43:37.900 about this, a lot of what we're saying is just kind of going back to some of the pre-modernist
00:43:42.740 ways that we've been brainwashed into thinking about things like nations and people and cultures,
00:43:49.700 and we just think in this great big homogenous lump. We just think in this like global American
00:43:54.500 empire sort of way. And it's like, well, if the new Christendom is not just going to be baptized
00:44:00.340 global American empire, the gay. It's going to be baptized nations. It's going to be altogether 0.96
00:44:06.860 different, build different presuppositions about how we do everything. So that's a big principle.
00:44:12.060 I think as I was thinking about how could we boil down the principles of the whole season,
00:44:17.480 to me, that's one of the most foundational stones on the bottom of this cathedral
00:44:21.280 is that we're talking about Christianity as a totalizing faith.
00:44:26.380 yes and and the the crazy thing is you even have folks in the reformed world and elsewhere that
00:44:32.880 are trying to fight yeah very hard to relegate christianity to its own corner yeah like get in
00:44:40.040 your own corner church the church that's where they belong not gonna make it not gonna make it
00:44:45.040 so we also talked about so so related to that we're not interested in just disconnected theological
00:44:50.200 musing. These things need to be attached to doing. And another big principle that comes to mind for
00:44:57.440 me is that, and it's really an outworking of those previous two, this totalizing faith is not just
00:45:03.740 ethereal principles. It needs to hit the real world through application in every part of what
00:45:08.100 it means to be human. But then how does that happen? Well, we need to build from the local on
00:45:13.740 out and aim to make big decentralized networks and institutions that are really hard to kill.
00:45:23.140 So local on out, from your feet to your family, to your local church, to your local economic
00:45:29.480 community, your neighbors, your county, to your state. I mean, thinking that way and then also
00:45:35.180 thinking not in terms of like, can we make one big thing with one big guy in charge that he'll
00:45:41.620 lead the thing and then if he goes down or he compromises or these three or four people at the
00:45:46.500 top compromise the rest of us are just in trouble yeah and this has been like really one of the
00:45:51.560 downfalls of conservatism in general like guys are like okay if we want to change the culture
00:45:56.820 we need something family something research family something big 501c3 we need to throw like
00:46:04.400 billions of dollars at it we'll have these really vanilla conservatism issues and we'll preach on
00:46:09.980 those things and we just need a lot of like institutional power and it's completely wrong
00:46:15.840 one of the things that that inevitably does is it inevitably pushes you towards lowest common
00:46:21.600 denominator yes because you're trying to make sort of across this huge vast sea of people and across
00:46:29.160 huge geography and all these other different things you're trying to say like let's make one
00:46:33.280 one similar looking thing and it's like i actually don't want to see that happen i don't want to see
00:46:38.720 our church, even if we wildly succeed and see a cathedral built here in Ogden, when we say that,
00:46:45.200 guys, by the way, we're literally not kidding. We actually do want to build a cathedral. People
00:46:49.620 were mad at me on Twitter the other day for saying that. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't
00:46:52.200 understand. You're not going to make it. We want to build a cathedral, like out of rocks.
00:46:55.920 But even then, I would want to see communities in every county of America that were in a
00:47:05.760 self-contained way in a sense. I know we're not ever, we're all the body of Christ, but I mean
00:47:10.120 like they're economically, socially, and they're familially, in the churches, ecclesiastically,
00:47:18.380 politically, they're building something that's going to be like their flavor, their region,
00:47:23.020 their people, their place. It's also following these big totalizing Christian principles. 0.68
00:47:29.320 And I think that's where we get the beauty and the dirt, the anti-fragility to steal 0.94
00:47:34.860 noted loser Nassim Tlaib's word.
00:47:39.220 Well, and that's the interesting thing is you go back to
00:47:41.860 reformational work, John Knox, kind of the fundamental thing that gets
00:47:46.040 missed in that reformation work was you had the English who were saying
00:47:49.800 top-down rule. That's how we transform society. This is how we
00:47:53.500 structure hierarchy and all those things, top-down. The elites are the important people.
00:47:57.660 Everybody else doesn't matter. And the Presbyterians and John Knox fundamentally
00:48:01.720 said, it's from the bottom up. Yeah. We're going to start with men and we're going to start with
00:48:06.120 marriages and then we're going to start with households and then we're going to transform
00:48:09.580 a society from the bottom. And I think that is fundamentally, that's God's order. You look at
00:48:14.660 the way rule happens with Moses, uh, because you ruled a family well, then you can rule a larger
00:48:20.180 entity, et cetera. That's how society should be structured. Really? And that's how you disciple
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00:49:41.780 The next principle is that we need to stop aiming for fast growth and start aiming for deep roots.
00:49:49.560 So Brian wrote this principle. What did you mean by that?
00:49:52.340 Well, I mean that a lot of the big, fast, and famous stuff, to reiterate, is just like a weed.
00:49:57.520 Weeds do grow fast, but they don't bear good fruit.
00:50:01.680 Nor for long.
00:50:02.880 Nor for long.
00:50:04.200 When you're diagnosing problems and doing post-mortems on failed movements and looking at failed culture that's producing failure,
00:50:13.140 one of the things that just shoots through all of it is that it's all aiming for big, fast, famous.
00:50:18.140 And the answer to that isn't for us to all come up with our own Big Fast Famous.
00:50:24.000 It's to aim for this plotting, like, basically.
00:50:26.800 Like Big Fast Famous has never actually been tried.
00:50:29.340 Yeah, right.
00:50:30.000 The correct version.
00:50:31.660 That's right.
00:50:31.840 No, it's like, and what I mean is that there are some basic compromises on a level of Christian doctrine you have to embrace to embrace Big Fast Famous.
00:50:39.200 Things like robust church discipline is one of them.
00:50:42.340 These things are the immune system of the church that are continually preaching people out of the church and out of the community. 0.94
00:50:48.560 If they will not be Christians, they will not obey the Lord. 0.94
00:50:52.200 We don't want them, even if they have a lot of money, even if they'll give us a lot of influence, whatever it is, whatever carrot is dangled. 1.00
00:50:58.500 So I think a lot when we say deep rootedness, a lot of what we're saying is let's stop giving way and getting rid of these really important tools that the Lord has given to prevent fast growth.
00:51:11.960 Like look at the methods he used. Hey, don't follow me because if you do, you're going to be, you know, I don't have a place to lay my head. Do you want to be like me? You're going to suffer too. Jesus was continually trying to talk people out of this. And so I think that, you know, as we just take up, again, not reinventing, this isn't new stuff. We just do the old things. We'll see the growth slowed, but it will be oak tree growth.
00:51:40.080 Well, and part of it is like generational thinking as well, right?
00:51:43.740 Covenant succession, like we've been talking about.
00:51:46.080 Because you can't have deep roots if you don't start thinking past five minutes from now.
00:51:50.820 Yeah. 0.62
00:51:51.200 Yeah, you've got to have old men who will plant trees, the fruit of which they'll never eat.
00:51:55.600 And I mean, we were talking about this recently going to one of our churchmen's house,
00:51:59.800 and they've got these amazing fruit trees in the backyard that their grandpa or great-grandpa had planted, spliced together.
00:52:07.400 well now they get to enjoy the fruit of it we have to be thinking like that in the church and
00:52:11.460 generally what that means is when you go to build something that's going to last legacy building
00:52:16.440 it's going to be a lot more difficult in the beginning right it's not just throwing up you
00:52:21.240 know sticks and drywall and saying it's difficult yeah costly yeah it's expensive building building
00:52:27.240 with stone is a very expensive work yeah um it's going to be a lot slower do we have a lot of money
00:52:32.880 by the way to do that to do the towards the cathedral fund when do you do you mean the royal
00:52:38.260 we like do you have a lot of money listen well that answer i do know and it's god owns the cattle
00:52:44.960 on a thousand hills dan yeah he does that's right so do we have a lot of resources yes in a way in
00:52:52.380 a sense you know and i think so we want to kind of skip over these we don't want to go too slow
00:52:58.720 So, because we've talked about a lot of this, the next one I think related to this, because
00:53:03.040 again, fighting that weed-like growth is just having the courage to do church discipline
00:53:08.120 and fight the right fights, not be compromised, is we need to encourage, big principle this
00:53:13.620 season, we need to encourage the will to fight without giving way to the schismatic or the
00:53:18.420 bitter brawler who makes everyone his enemy.
00:53:21.080 Basically know which hills to die on, that faithful versus careful men distinction, but
00:53:26.380 we do need to cultivate the will to fight the right way if we're going to do this yeah absolutely
00:53:32.760 you have to know which principles you're going to die on what are the hills you're going to die on
00:53:38.060 and in my example obviously william wallace thought freedom was pretty important seems like
00:53:42.300 old pat henry thought freedom was pretty important as well um so give me liberty or give me death
00:53:49.000 uh so we can't make every issue though the you know like hey what uh exclusive psalmody or give
00:53:58.200 me death we you know a lot of these these issues people just they just don't seem to get along
00:54:06.060 the schismatic the bitter brawler yeah absolutely not that the ep guys are like overly schismatic it
00:54:11.980 was just the first thing that came sure yeah i get what you're saying you're looking at a principle
00:54:15.700 that that's, that's a very, to people who are EP, like it's a very important part of the worship.
00:54:19.960 So I'm glad that they're convinced. I'm like, Psalms are a hill I would die on, whether they're
00:54:24.700 in our worship and a major feature or not. So, um, a lot of overlap there, but, but yeah, we don't
00:54:29.780 need it. My goal isn't to look at my EP brothers and fight them to death about using uninspired
00:54:35.940 hymns. Right. And, and I, and they're not on a different team from me because they are EP,
00:54:42.600 right yeah if i just went if i went to the worship service i'd just look side eye at him a little bit
00:54:47.960 sing the song i'd be happy super loud it'd be based i'd love it you know it's like you do see
00:54:54.520 these guys though that when as you encourage the will to fight one of the people you end up having
00:54:59.660 to fight are the people who were like oh fighting is all there is isn't that funny that is funny like
00:55:06.080 you have to you always end up like doing where on one hand you're like hey quit compromising 1.00
00:55:13.360 quit being gay like stop yeah no lady pastors this is stupid like that's all the stuff that 1.00
00:55:18.200 government education like that's all the stuff that made us lose and then on the other hand 1.00
00:55:22.460 you're like calm down bro over there like we could be friends like just if all of us don't
00:55:26.280 share identical thoughts about al moeller it doesn't mean that we we need to kill each other
00:55:30.920 or like you know we don't need to break a broom in the middle throw it on the ground and say
00:55:35.500 fight to the death and the winner you know it's like you always end up doing both is that an
00:55:40.160 option is that an option yeah there's actually just one simple test if you base your theology
00:55:46.560 on aynrandian thought or not and then you're either good or you're out eric will fight you
00:55:52.100 to the death i actually actually i just spent a weekend with an aynrandian objectivist
00:55:57.720 who is an atheist and then on my other side there was a bit an eastern orthodox really based
00:56:06.160 honestly older gentleman who had converted out of that to christianity wow so there you go there
00:56:12.060 you go eric's just subtweeting left and right also i will fight you no i'm just kidding maybe
00:56:19.980 all right so the next the next principle is that the fear of the lord must be foundational
00:56:24.480 in everything because if you fear the lord you cannot be bought or bought or buyable you yeah
00:56:32.960 you can't be bought and you are not buyable and there can't be not for sale sir there can't be
00:56:38.860 in fact are principled you can't be like hey i didn't write that clearly you can't be like hey
00:56:43.940 i'm not bought but it's just because no one's reached the reserve limit on the oh i see on the
00:56:48.260 bed that's all i meant you know i'm sorry dan that was confusing no no no no that's great i saw it
00:56:54.000 coming i was like he's phrasing the sentence in a way he's about to run into a grammatical brick
00:56:58.580 wall and it won't work anymore but yeah anyway you got to be principled not not grift yeah the 0.96
00:57:04.600 grift is gay the man who fears the lord is is unviable yeah and we're not going to build a 0.97
00:57:10.920 cathedral if george soros comes and says i'll give you a hundred million dollars for your cathedral 0.99
00:57:14.140 we'd say no i was going to say one i might rob him in the parking lot but
00:57:19.140 Oh, just kidding.
00:57:21.440 All right, Eric, sorry.
00:57:22.860 Yeah, there's a proverb about that, by the way.
00:57:25.580 Literally, like verbatim.
00:57:27.560 Eric has like a serious point over there.
00:57:29.060 We're talking about robbing George Soros in a parking lot, but keep going.
00:57:32.340 Yeah, the simple way to ask yourself, like, am I a principled guy?
00:57:35.840 You know, can I be bought?
00:57:37.200 The question is, have I ever turned people down?
00:57:39.020 Have I ever said no?
00:57:40.000 Yeah.
00:57:40.780 You know, somebody says, I'll give you 50, 100, 200 grand, 500 grand.
00:57:44.000 And you say, on principle, I just can't do that.
00:57:46.960 Yeah.
00:57:47.620 There's some jobs, like, you know, you think about the work that we do where somebody could pay you an exorbitant amount of money and you'd say no to it.
00:57:54.520 You're like, no, it would take me away from what I am called to do.
00:57:57.640 This happens in churches all the time, by the way, is you'll get somebody coming in and they are going to give you a big donation, but there are strings attached.
00:58:06.200 And if you take those strings, you've just been bought.
00:58:10.040 I mean, there is probably like a reasonable, hey, I'm going to give this money to your school.
00:58:14.560 I just really like it to go towards books or whatever.
00:58:17.740 You know, that's a, that's a, that's a different thing.
00:58:20.180 It's, it's really where you get some of these churches that are, they become so indebted to a few persons that they have to show partiality and then they've capitulated at that point.
00:58:32.760 And so even apart from institutions, men must be principled in the fear of the Lord and not as people pleasers, but working heartily to the Lord and that they cannot capitulate to the first shiny object that's placed in front of their face to capitulate on their principles.
00:58:58.600 Yes, sir.
00:58:59.180 You can be bought more than one way,
00:59:00.500 not just with money, with influence, with platform,
00:59:02.700 with in-group preference, with join this in a ring.
00:59:07.960 There's a million ways.
00:59:09.140 And the only answer to all of them
00:59:10.480 isn't to figure out a different strategy,
00:59:12.060 to defend yourself from all the possible ways
00:59:14.780 you could give in.
00:59:15.560 It's to fear the Lord.
00:59:17.080 Absolutely.
00:59:18.500 Okay, so the next principle is that worship is a big deal.
00:59:22.420 Yes.
00:59:22.860 And you must get it right.
00:59:25.060 Why is worship a big deal?
00:59:27.760 I mean, you could answer this in a number of ways.
00:59:30.540 I think first and foremost, because it's the first commandment.
00:59:33.600 So anything that's first is going to be important.
00:59:35.920 Come on, Dan.
00:59:37.280 Boom.
00:59:38.080 Why is this number seven?
00:59:39.280 I wasn't arguing with you.
00:59:41.140 Why did I make this number seven?
00:59:43.300 But I think especially when we're talking about culture war, understanding that worship is the center of the cultists,
00:59:48.180 that your worship is going to shape everything about you, your people, your family, your community, your business.
00:59:54.320 Worship is central to all of life.
00:59:56.120 we're created as worshiping beings, 2 Corinthians 4, we're going to become like the things that
01:00:02.380 we worship. And so if we're sitting here saying like, hey, we want to fight a culture war,
01:00:07.420 I mean, the most obvious question that most conservatives never get around to asking is,
01:00:11.740 well, what culture are we defending? What are we promoting? Are we promoting Dave Rubin?
01:00:17.100 I'm not. So which culture? It's going to be a reflection of ultimately what you worship.
01:00:22.120 I think worship is an act of cultivation.
01:00:25.400 Yes.
01:00:25.540 It's definitely, I mean, both culture and cultivation share the same root in the Latin.
01:00:31.020 And so you're cultivating people.
01:00:33.780 You're communicating a lot by the way that you conduct your liturgy and the fruit that you're producing in your people through that liturgy because you're telling them, this is what God's like.
01:00:44.320 This is how you worship and approach the holy and living God.
01:00:47.800 And so if you cultivate a very shallow, shallow worship service with the barest minimum, you know, of essentials, you're going to produce a people that emulate that.
01:00:59.740 Yeah.
01:00:59.880 If you make it all about an emotional experience, a worship experience, your people are going to become like what they're worshiping, which is a God who dispenses emotional fuzzes and fizzes, right?
01:01:09.720 On the complete other side of the spectrum, if you worship like the Orthodox Church and you worship in this, I will be surrounded by my cloud of idols that I will venerate, or like a Roman Catholic, I mean, I drove by with my guy Ben Garethus last week, Mary, Queen of Heaven Church, Roman Catholic Church.
01:01:29.120 And if you worship in some of those ways as well, we're not just saying high liturgical's better than gay, big, fast, and famous.
01:01:35.800 are saying, no, you got to get worship right. It's like, if I look at the cultures that something
01:01:40.800 like, you know, in Eastern Orthodox cultures that have been dominated by that, I see cultures that
01:01:47.180 look like the worship of idols in many ways. And actually, Doug wrote a really good article. I
01:01:52.360 wish I had recently read it so that I could say it as well as he did. He wrote a really good
01:01:56.720 article on that where he was making a similar critique of Orthodox worship and the culture
01:02:01.660 that it made where you can go to a country that's been dominated by it. And you go, you're going to
01:02:05.960 be like, come to this church, go down to the catacombs, and you'll be able to touch this
01:02:10.860 mummified body of this old saint. And that will dispense this special grace to you. And you'll be
01:02:16.080 able to touch them and ask the saint to pray for your cancer or whatever it is. And it was like,
01:02:21.600 we need to get worship right, or we'll become idol worshipers somewhere. If you don't get the
01:02:26.980 worship of God right in the center, it's not, there'll be no worship. Some idol will get in
01:02:30.480 and you'll end up looking like that
01:02:32.680 idol at the end of the day. So that's
01:02:34.800 why when we say worship, it's like
01:02:36.280 we're also talking about Reformed Catholicity
01:02:38.900 where, you know, I don't 1.00
01:02:40.620 want, I'm not interested in fighting like
01:02:42.500 is it going to be exactly
01:02:44.460 this kind of covenant renewal
01:02:46.560 worship versus this Reformed liturgy versus
01:02:48.620 like all the way out to the edges. It's like, no 0.62
01:02:50.680 but let's get the center right
01:02:52.840 and then let's be on the same team
01:02:54.980 but you can't just say
01:02:56.660 the mistake a lot of guys make
01:02:58.460 which is
01:03:00.480 We're going to get the culture fighting right, the blogging right, the business right, but
01:03:05.100 we're going to do all those things while we don't have good church, where we're not
01:03:09.920 worshiping with the saints in a way that's like the center, and you don't have a tribe
01:03:15.460 there.
01:03:15.780 You don't have this, you're not gathering with the saints properly.
01:03:18.580 You're not, I mean, like that really guts you, and it builds a hollow culture over the
01:03:23.780 generation.
01:03:24.480 So, I mean, this principle is absolutely, it could have been number one.
01:03:29.120 Okay.
01:03:29.560 Okay. Number eight, death to celebrityism. That is definitely a Brianism. Death to celebrity, but not death to courageous, extraordinary leaders or death to hierarchy, rule, and authority. That was worded in a way that might be a little confusing.
01:03:49.240 So essentially what you're saying is death to the celebrity, but not death to courageous, extraordinary leaders.
01:03:58.460 Yeah, death to celebrityism, even more importantly.
01:04:01.640 Celebrityism.
01:04:02.120 Death to the principle. 1.00
01:04:03.520 No, kill the celebrities. 1.00
01:04:05.000 Don't actually kill the celebrities, guys. 1.00
01:04:06.780 Oh my goodness. 0.89
01:04:07.760 Death to celebrityism, not true, courageous, extraordinary authority.
01:04:12.840 And those are different things.
01:04:13.960 I think that's the difference between what we've talked about.
01:04:16.140 Well, because the courageous man will be.
01:04:18.320 yeah people are going to follow your banner yeah and you shouldn't say death to celebrityism
01:04:22.820 nobody listened to me right absolutely god gave different part there are there is such thing in
01:04:28.680 the body as a mouth just like there is such thing as a hand but it is interesting even when you read
01:04:33.580 the gospels that you know john 7 i think right before 37 when they say you know come down to
01:04:41.960 the city they want to make you king and jesus is like peace i'm out i'm out and he literally just
01:04:46.400 checks out and leaves and like you guys can handle this one i'm just that is true dunzo so and i
01:04:52.240 think we don't take those passages seriously like where yeah even some of the stuff that we've sought
01:04:56.140 to build in our church um you know we we have weeks where you know brian could be gone from
01:05:02.120 service and it's not like oh man we can't do church because brian's not here actually it's
01:05:09.060 usually pretty good he was gonna say better i i was i watched the b sound form on his lips i was
01:05:15.840 it was personally offended the base either way it was i was like oh it was actually the same
01:05:23.120 knife no it actually was the same should be the same yeah and so uh what you'll find with
01:05:29.140 courageous men they will gain celebrity in some ways similar like in my example of william wallace
01:05:34.620 the difference is the courageous leader leads from the front and the celebrity leads from the
01:05:39.680 back and gets the benefits like the lords in this picture so what you're saying is we should figure
01:05:44.560 out how to do whatever is popular and then capitalize i think being an opportunist is a
01:05:51.540 sleazy thing to do yes interesting i don't think i would do are you are you trying to start fights
01:05:57.160 here notes taken no i'm just taking notes you know okay i'm actually not he's literally not
01:06:03.160 taking he's literally not though at the same time i think the principle here to get to get in your
01:06:09.380 bones is that when we say death to big, fast, and famous, death to celebrityism, we're not saying
01:06:17.660 that homogenizing and egalitarianism is the answer. That it's like, let's get rid of all
01:06:22.440 the hierarchy. Let's get rid of all the authority. Let's get rid of all the influential leaders.
01:06:27.420 Let's get rid of all of that. It's like, no, God made a world where there was Christ, there was
01:06:32.520 his three, James, Peter, and John. There were the 12. There were the 70. There were disciples
01:06:38.640 outside of that. God made a world where there was regional and influential regional leadership in
01:06:44.320 the early church. And, you know, so one of the answers that we almost always want to reach for
01:06:48.880 in our modern American discipleship is for egalitarianism. And that is a tempting thing
01:06:55.920 to reach for when you're looking at this big, fast, and famous enemy that's like,
01:07:00.540 celebrities are leading us to worship themselves and then building cultures of death. And it's like,
01:07:07.320 we want to say no to that. And we also want to say yes to godly qualified elders that absolutely,
01:07:14.000 you give deference in your life. You should be aiming to be a part of a local church where
01:07:18.040 you're like, I will listen to what these men say. I will make changes in my life when they tell me
01:07:23.500 to because I respect them. And I believe that I was made to follow them and that God appointed
01:07:29.640 them to lead in the church. It's going to have local implication, implication in families,
01:07:33.520 implication in broader culture but i think that's another big principle that we've talked about
01:07:39.880 through this season in establishing like we're telling men to go be a become authorities to go
01:07:46.240 become respectable to go win glory like and the last principle we're telling men to go be carnivore
01:07:52.600 dan no literally literally we're not we're not doing that uh i am failing at that that's hard
01:07:59.980 podcast if you're curious about that yeah they are doing an interesting series guys go check it
01:08:04.040 out oh wow thank you thank you very much well okay ben and i hear about it all the time because
01:08:08.240 we're and smell it when we get to work they beg us to hear about carnivore we get here and we're
01:08:13.120 like not only do we want the basement of the church still smells like i want i want my workplace
01:08:17.860 to continually smell like cooking beef you smell like beef and cheese i want to work with people
01:08:23.020 who smell like cooked beef do and then i want to hear about eating cooked beef and its health
01:08:29.380 benefits final principle final final principle you have to have humor along the way so here we
01:08:34.800 are laugh at yourself and laugh or ngmi that wasn't on the notes i don't find that to be
01:08:39.900 humorous laugh at yourself or ngmi ngmi dan no i'm gonna make it i'm fine he's gonna make it
01:08:46.880 he's gonna make it all right so we talked earlier about how we we our goal when doing the king's
01:08:54.900 Hall was not to just essentially have a podcast to, to vent a little bit, you know, complain
01:09:00.800 about all the mega churches or how much money they have and, you know, stuff like that,
01:09:04.740 but is actually to, to do something, to actually do something.
01:09:08.740 Cause talk is cheap, right?
01:09:10.620 Anybody can podcast, but it's what's happening behind the scenes that you guys probably don't
01:09:15.260 know about.
01:09:16.000 And so what I would like to do is, is, um, talk about this big project that King's Hall
01:09:22.740 is just a part of that we're going to be launching.
01:09:25.560 Eric, would you like to introduce it?
01:09:27.660 Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:28.340 So the project we've been working on for quite some time
01:09:30.680 was really kind of we were aiming at from the beginning, I think,
01:09:34.200 is New Christendom Press.
01:09:35.740 So we are launching that.
01:09:37.600 We've got a website up, which Brian and Ben have been hard at work on.
01:09:42.640 We've got a ton of things that you're going to be familiar with
01:09:46.360 that fit under that umbrella, including the Hard Man podcast,
01:09:49.460 including King's Hall, including
01:09:51.400 Brian has some podcast or something
01:09:53.540 with his wife. Cold.
01:09:56.380 Bright Hearth,
01:09:57.520 which is actually one of the biggest ones on there.
01:09:59.940 I was going to say Cold.
01:10:02.680 Well, one of,
01:10:03.920 you know, it's one of the...
01:10:05.240 He can't bring himself
01:10:08.080 to say it. The Lady Podcast.
01:10:09.400 The Lady Podcast is the biggest one. 0.98
01:10:11.620 Dang it.
01:10:13.980 But, yeah, we have this huge
01:10:15.700 stable of stuff we're doing.
01:10:17.320 We're going to be putting on a conference, Lord willing,
01:10:19.260 next year uh brian and i've got some books that we're working on dan doing a little author book
01:10:24.900 writing yeah well it hasn't been approved yet so we'll see well you can talk to me later i'll
01:10:28.820 approve it oh okay maybe maybe we'll see yeah we've got more book projects than we've got time
01:10:33.540 for so i guess we've got enough book projects so yeah we've got enough book projects for some years
01:10:38.300 so brian we've got new christendom press i guess if you would just tee us up a little bit more
01:10:43.920 what are some of the other things it's going to be doing yeah why is it so important to
01:10:48.160 like why do we even need to do it first of all yeah so new christened press is uh is a christian
01:10:54.280 publishing house with cathedral sized aims i mean that's that's basically what we're trying to do
01:10:59.780 that was so cheesy it's true that's what we're trying to know i know it is it just read edit
01:11:04.180 that out and replace what dan said was something like wow that was awesome i'm but from someone
01:11:09.260 else not even the same voice not even the same voice yeah dancing you're i'm just kidding brian
01:11:14.640 No, that's what we're saying is that words are very important in building.
01:11:19.680 They fuel reformations.
01:11:20.820 Yes.
01:11:21.360 Words go out and they take root in different places and different people's minds and they kind of worm around and they get into their DNA.
01:11:27.160 And you'll notice that when you listen to somebody for a long time or you sound like the people that you were influenced by and they shape literally how you live your life.
01:11:34.760 So one of the things that we believe needs to exist are more Christian publishing houses with this particular theological and cultural vision for this totalizing view of the Christian faith coming out in everything that you do as a human being.
01:11:49.560 So we're aiming to do everything from long-form books, type of media, to video. Obviously, we have a lot of podcasts, music. We're also looking to basically put on a conference here in the year of our Lord 2023.
01:12:05.340 We're aiming, Lord willing, to put on our first New Christendom Press conference here that we'd
01:12:10.500 love for you to consider coming and joining us and being a part of. All of this, we have
01:12:15.720 sort of a placeholder. It's got some info up at newchristendompress.com. And you can go over
01:12:22.380 there and basically sign up to keep in touch with what we're doing, as well as hear some more
01:12:26.580 about what we're building at New Christendom Press. And also, as we've said many times before,
01:12:33.420 doing high-quality Christian media. Doing high-quality media is extremely expensive,
01:12:39.920 costly in terms of time and money. And so one of the big announcements that we have is that
01:12:45.040 actually now Eric Kahn is working for us full-time at New Christendom Press, and then we have a
01:12:52.680 mixture of other part-time folks that are here. And so we'd love to have you partner with us here.
01:12:59.580 we've got lots of different ways that you can support the work at newchristendompress.com
01:13:03.760 as well but yeah big project and in in the work since before the king's hall existed even yeah
01:13:11.220 absolutely and so one of the ways that you can partner with us as brian was talking about we
01:13:14.520 we will have a donation button up on there but also for guys who are looking to invest in
01:13:19.240 something long term if you've got ten thousand dollars twenty five fifty a hundred we want to
01:13:24.060 partner with you. Tax deductible. Tax deductible. That's right. Thank you, Dan. So really we're
01:13:30.220 seeking to do something that is, I think in a lot of people's minds, they may say, well, oh,
01:13:34.580 I know you guys had a podcast or a couple of podcasts, but this really goes back to that
01:13:39.120 reformational work of really what fueled the Reformation was media, early media. And so we're
01:13:45.080 seeking to do that as well, hoping and praying for cultural renewal and change and building up
01:13:49.640 of Christendom 2.0. Yeah, including some tools for families and fathers to lead their families
01:13:55.760 in worship. Yeah, so we're looking to build more than just some books and some podcasts,
01:14:01.940 although those are going to be very, very core to what we do. And speaking of building,
01:14:07.260 the other thing that we've done is we're partnering with Hardiman Company. And Hardiman,
01:14:12.760 what they do is they're kingdom-minded, like they're taking dominion economically. So these
01:14:18.480 men uh based out of texas they're they buy small businesses uh quite often from from boomers that
01:14:27.420 are retiring they're established they don't have anybody to pass the business on to and then what
01:14:32.700 they do is they train men christian men and they put them over this business and then they keep
01:14:37.540 the business and uh so they're taking economic dominion christianly by putting christians in
01:14:46.280 charge of these businesses. And so we partnered with them. So we're going to be doing a lot more
01:14:51.280 work with them in order to wage war on the economic sphere against the pagans. Because
01:14:58.820 I guess you can't lay siege. I keep bringing that up, but you can't lay siege, but you can lay
01:15:05.340 economic siege by being Christians and having the best window and glass shop or having the best
01:15:11.920 auto body shop or having the best whatever small business yeah and true freedom for christian men
01:15:16.460 is going to be yeah economic as well as yeah you have to have a great church to go to but you also
01:15:22.240 have to be economically free working for christian men to to build up own space yeah where you can
01:15:27.940 operate on and and build your kingdom on that we've we've talked a lot about ecclesia ecclesial
01:15:34.500 building we've talked a lot about education we've talked a lot about family and we've talked about
01:15:39.160 economic dominion. But this is one of those areas where you can, I mean, we're really hoping to see
01:15:44.940 the money put where the mouth is in ways that are massive and have potential to be absolutely
01:15:52.460 game-changing in lots of cities and lots of places. So yeah, we've been working hard building
01:15:57.800 that as well. At this point, Dan, if you would just kind of let people know, what's the call
01:16:02.500 to action if people are interested in learning more about that or perhaps getting involved,
01:16:06.580 either an investor or small business owner or stuff like that, what can they do?
01:16:11.160 Yeah, I would go to hardimanco.com and take a look at their website, see what they do.
01:16:15.840 Take a look at the companies that they have right now. And the thing is, as far as investments,
01:16:21.760 there's a project that we'll be working on that will be launched here soon that will allow you
01:16:27.460 to not just donate money, but to actually be an investor. But I'm not going to announce any of
01:16:33.480 details of that at the moment. Okay. So if you want, if you're interested in that, just get in
01:16:36.880 touch with us through one of our channels and there will be more information. Yeah. If you want
01:16:41.140 to see, if you want to see economic dominion taken, you know, in, in towns that have good churches
01:16:46.980 like Ogden, there's going to be opportunities there. So you can reach out to, to me or to one
01:16:53.560 of the guys at, is it King's Hall at Proton? It's the King's Hall at protonmail.com. Yeah.
01:17:02.540 And we can also provide links for that.
01:17:04.300 I mean,
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01:17:09.300 You know how to get in touch with us guys.
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