00:09:23.460Well, and if you really think about Christendom 1.0, even in the heyday, you had bishops and the whole Roman Catholic structure where you'd have popes living licentious lives of fame, essentially.
00:09:38.320As I was teaching church history, there was one pope in particular.
00:09:41.760He had two men that he hired to shovel money to make sure that there was enough space in the treasury vault so that they could keep bringing in more money.
00:09:51.020Well, that's probably just good practice.
00:09:52.780I mean, it's money management is what you call it.
00:09:56.260So, I mean, this is just a human tendency, right, is to want to be famous, to want to grow big and fast.
00:10:04.080And so it's not anything unique to just like, oh, it was 20th century Christianity.
00:10:08.400Yeah, I think what's unique about it now is that mass and telecommunications have allowed people's platforms to grow so much bigger.
00:10:15.180So because Rick Warren can access so many different people now, you know, you couldn't have Rick Warren without suburbia plus telecom.
00:10:24.740Rick Warren has personally converted over 17 billion people.
00:10:34.120You know, I think one of the issues related to this kind of big, fast and famous revivalism kind of thing.
00:10:42.800Also, we have to say that one of the themes I think that's run through some of these episodes diagnosing the problem is like a manufactured rootlessness where we've had significant cultural disruption through the generations with, and not just in the church, but everywhere.
00:11:01.240This massive disruption in the normal succession from father to son, mother to daughter, in families, and the Industrial Revolution, a lot of these kind of factors come together to where we have a real cultural issue that isn't just religious or spiritual or within the church, but that the church handled in many ways by kind of baptizing rootlessness, baptizing a culture that didn't honor mother and father, that didn't honor the theological tradition that we were coming from.
00:11:31.240But kind of moved ancient barriers flippantly, quickly, without pause, some of it in service of that big, fast, and famous, like let's get rid of all this old stuffy stuff so that we can make church more palatable and appealing to people just in general to come make them more comfortable and make it easier and easier and easier, lowest common denominator.
00:11:53.660Really, I think that goes into this conversation as well.
00:11:57.100I mean, what you see with the, I guess, the secularizing of the liturgy, you are accepting worldly standards into your church service to make it more palatable for worldly people.
00:12:10.440And so that's a theme that's also run throughout church history is that you have the church slowly ceding ground to the world, to the state, whomever it may be, and essentially just abdicating large chunks of their responsibility to other spheres of authority that eat it up.
00:12:32.720And so, yeah, whether it's the liturgy, whether it's hospitals or education or many of these things, they've just slowly been relegated to the point where the church was no longer a big deal with authority that was actually recognized to, hey, church, just stay in your corner and we'll grant you tax-free status as long as you stay in your lane.
00:12:57.520Yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting too, Dan, because I think about some of these early topics that we've discussed in the season, how they've impacted people. I think one of the biggest encouragements I've seen is people are hungry for exactly that diagnosis. And then people are already kind of in the place where they're saying, yeah, that is a problem. Nobody's talking about this. It hasn't been addressed by the church.
00:13:20.980Obviously, it's sort of like, you know, Big Pharma is not the one that's probably going to break the case on how Big Pharma is corrupt.
00:13:27.920Well, you could say the same about Big Eva.
00:13:30.500But I've just been encouraged to see that there are people who want off that train.
00:13:34.080There are people who are seeking to build churches differently.
00:13:37.080I know we're going to talk more about that, but I just thought as we were talking about this, it's been really cool to see kind of an eye opening among a lot of the church on these issues.
00:13:47.880Even just thinking about some of the, I think, one resonating issue as well as theological minimalism.
00:13:54.260Thinking about the way that, in many ways, I think early in our podcast, what we were just doing is describing much of our own experience and kind of saying, like, anybody else see this?
00:14:08.460For me, a couple years ago, that theological minimalism light bulb was so big to being able to understand and diagnose, like, where have we gone wrong over the past centuries, and especially in an accelerated way in the last century, and how did we get there?
00:14:25.700And once you give it that name of theological minimalism, where we're just trying to boil down the faith into the fewest number of things you must do or believe to be a Christian, let's make it as easy as possible, kind of following the, or answering the problem of, well, we're seeing apostasy, we're seeing people leave the faith, we're seeing the decline of Christianity maybe in some regions or denominations in some areas.
00:14:49.600So let's respond by how can we make it as easy as possible for somebody to come in and be a Christian, you know, quote unquote.
00:14:58.120Well, just all you have to do, pray this prayer.
00:15:05.440Just believe in these few doctrines, justification by grace, you know, the inerrancy of Scripture.
00:15:11.260And we'll kind of shrink down the walls until we're just surrounding this inner keep of the castle.
00:15:18.060We've been pushed back and pushed back. So we've ceded the town square. We've ceded the outer walls. We've ceded the farms surrounding. We've ceded so much of Christian life from saying that there's anything particularly Christian about how to be a farmer, how to be in many different vocations or different places.
00:15:36.100And I think that theological minimalism has been one of the biggest, and I just described more than theological minimalism, but, you know, that's been such a root issue with how we've lost so much ground is that literally we did it willingly.
00:15:57.100You don't get, you know, cultural syncretism without theological minimalism, without denying the church's authority, without, you know, this, you know, desire for fame and to grow fast.
00:16:09.300And like, they're all just build on one another, almost like a wave.
00:16:13.240And I like your analogy of like, the church is essentially relegated to the keep, to the inner walls.
00:16:21.620And it comes back to revivalism and decisionism there.
00:16:24.620Well, we've mistaken the door for the whole thing in some ways.
00:16:28.080Like we've mistaken repentance and conversion, that initial kind of like call to repent and believe the gospel, with sometimes the whole thing.
00:16:36.560So revivalism, decisionism, theological minimalism are all in bed together.
00:16:42.480Revivalism ends up replacing rich, robust catechesis, both theological and cultural catechesis, how to be a Christian in every aspect of life, with emotionalism.
00:16:53.380with having emotional experiences of spirituality, which then infect the church service and the
00:16:59.320liturgy, converting the church service into an emotional production. You see how all of these
00:17:04.760things come together to create this absolute monster that just grows and grows and grows1.00
00:17:12.260and consumes more and more of Christian culture. And so you look back over your shoulder and you1.00
00:17:16.260realize that all of the areas of life and culture that used to be occupied by Christians who had
00:17:21.540fought for those areas and won them and built there, have been abandoned, conquered and colonized0.95
00:17:28.080by pagans and other gods, and we allowed them to do that. So Christendom 2.0 is going to be,
00:17:36.500you know, we're going to talk about this more, but I mean, it's going to be a fight to go retake
00:17:41.060those. Yeah. And so you've described like, that's like 90s church, early 2000s church,
00:17:47.200Like an emotionalistic, convenient experience of a worship service.
00:17:53.580And so, Eric, what is the state of the church right now?
00:17:57.320Is that continuing or are we seeing further developments in the church that have been worse?
00:18:04.080Yeah, I think to a large extent it's continuing.
00:18:06.540There's a lot of normie-ism in America that hasn't changed even with COVID.
00:18:11.600But I think that on the flip side of that, there are some people coming awake.
00:18:15.360We've often talked about how the last couple of years have been an apocalypse and unveiling.
00:18:20.160And I think a lot of people, we've actually had followers of this show who are like megachurch guys who are like, whoa, I think you guys are right.
00:18:28.040They're starting to see some of the problems.
00:18:29.760I think what you run into is 1990s and 2000s church.
00:18:35.340This is the whole Aaron Wren matrix thing, right?
00:18:37.660That was positive or neutral world Christianity.
00:18:39.820you're you're engaging with a positive a world that is thinking positively about christians and0.83
00:18:46.040what they do well we're full center of negative world now and i think once you get there there's
00:18:53.420trials there's persecution the cultural war and the conflict starts heating up the the boomer
00:18:59.900megachurch christianity lamestream christianity just it's not going to make it and i think a lot
00:19:05.040of people are recognizing that like if you were going to a church the last two years and your
00:19:10.820pastor closed and was shaming you for not getting vaxxed and staying masked you realize like this
00:19:17.280guy is he's got my back but he's got my back with a knife i mean we got to find somewhere else i
00:19:23.140think there were a lot of people figuring that out and this is also why i think a lot of people like
00:19:27.160jd greer had all these sermons where they were like shame on you conservative christians for
00:19:33.540flocking away from our churches. No, good for them. They had every right to leave. They should
00:19:37.440have left a long time ago. You told them to leave. Yeah, you told them to leave. You shamed them for
00:19:41.580their existence. So now I think you're seeing something interesting happen. The conversation
00:19:47.260is kind of shifting, but I think ultimately this is about what's going on in the church,
00:19:51.280right? We're attacking Doug Wilson. We're attacking Christian nationalism. Why? Because
00:19:55.320Doug was one of the guys moving the ball forward. So I think you'll continue to see that happen.
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00:20:47.200do you think do you think guys that the young wrestleson reformed world and i mean peak young
00:20:58.560wrestleson reformed which is like what 2010 to 2013 do you think that that was something
00:21:05.480really positive was that just one more flavor of big eva big fast famous
00:21:12.940what what is that how does that relate to this discussion i know we all lived it yeah that's a
00:21:19.320really good question i think it still is too soon to say but just as an instinct i think that it's
00:21:27.520probably going to be viewed as a net positive okay even though the fallout from it even say like
00:21:34.32080 of the you know the men the fuzz yeah are uh are maybe apostate or you know there's a lot of
00:21:42.440It's bad. Yeah. There's a lot of chaff, a lot of chaff. That's why I say it's still too early,
00:21:46.600but I think it's going to be integral in the continued reformation. Like Eric's talking
00:21:52.180about, I think a reformation, like we're on the cusp, the early days of a reformation. And in
00:21:58.400part, it's because of what you said, like the schism that's happening in churches.
00:22:02.980And so you do have churches that are like, you know, the, the experience, you know, the emotional
00:22:08.140experience felt needs kind of mega churchy but the problem is now they have lady pastors they've0.94
00:22:12.560got gays yeah in their worship service like they're continuing to go down that path um just1.00
00:22:18.100like the world uh careening off the cliff and then you have churches that are going whoa hold on0.99
00:22:23.960wait a minute back up the bus like yeah we can't keep going this direction where do we go wrong
00:22:30.400yeah let's go back there i think what will happen is as we look back through time we'll see the0.82
00:22:35.320Young Restless and Reform Movement as the movement back towards confessional Christianity
00:22:41.500and conservatism and appreciation of our spiritual forefathers, the reformers,
00:22:48.220even if most of those men were terrible. So I don't know if you guys agree with me on that
00:22:52.980or if you disagree. I think you're right. There's been a huge push for going back to
00:22:57.740traditionalism, confessionalism. I think one of the things that I noticed early on was you'd read
00:23:02.900somebody like john piper listen to him preach and he'd be a gateway joke you know to jonathan
00:23:07.620edwards john owen people like that we start reading them and you're like wait a minute
00:23:11.360you know and this this is one of those realizations that i've had over the years where you're like
00:23:15.620i i appreciate and respect to john piper for so many things but like his political theology is
00:23:21.880not one of them it's horrible yeah but then i go back and read the guys that he said we should be
00:23:26.220reading and i'm like wait a minute samuel rutherford was a based king like this dude
00:23:31.300knew his political theology, was really working through these ideas, and influenced guys like
00:23:36.280Patrick Henry, which we read in the opening, right? These guys had actually worked through it.
00:23:40.760So I think a lot of people are like, listen, everything that we've experienced is so shallow.
00:23:45.160We're getting a taste of the old things. And I think fundamentally, I go back to something
00:23:49.840Martin Lloyd-Jones said in his book, Revival and Revivalism. I think it's Revival and Revivalism,
00:23:56.160something like that. I think it's Revival and Revivalism. I think that's right. But he said,
00:23:59.920Listen, fundamentally, Reformation is always about going and re-digging the wells of Abraham.
00:24:04.400It's going back to the old things and finding the old things out again in a fresh, new way that's being applied.
00:24:10.460That's the crazy thing to me about Doug Wilson.
00:24:13.540People have said, oh, Doug is such a pariah.
00:24:18.980He's just pointing back to B.B. Warfield and post-mill theology and guys upstream from him.
00:24:24.880So I think ultimately you're going to see more and more people in that vein.
00:24:29.720But I also think something else interesting is happening.
00:24:32.660The power before was consolidated in things like the Gospel Coalition and these huge megachurches and personalities.
00:24:40.140Now you're kind of finding a Gideon thing happening where God is consolidating influence, power in the right kind of way in really small, dispersed camps.
00:24:51.500I think a lot of people probably even get the wrong idea about us.
00:24:54.640They're like, oh, they must have like a 10,000-person church.
00:25:22.300I think God is doing something to push away from the celebrity culture.
00:25:26.240And I think we're seeing a lot of rise of guys who are just faithfully pastoring and, you know, outkicking their punk coverage with media ministries and being courageous men.
00:25:36.040I think you'll see, hopefully, God willing, we'll see more of that.
00:33:51.640Yeah, and I mean, this is generational work.
00:33:53.540So even if we don't see this reformation, like a big wholesale reformation, you know, happen in our lifetimes, it wouldn't actually be a surprise. But I do think that we're just on the cusp, like there is a wave rising at the moment because you are starting to see this from churches.
00:34:09.500There are a few churches. I don't think there are very many churches that are actually faithful churches to the rootedness of Christianity. I think that there are lots of churches that preach the gospel, and there are Christians in those churches.
00:34:27.240I'm not saying that all of them are apostate unless they look like us or some such nonsense, but I think you're getting a lot of churches that are coming, you know, becoming awake to the reality that the Christianity they've been discipled in is completely foreign to historic Christianity and to the scriptures.
00:34:46.020And so I think we are on the cusp of that.
00:34:48.500And a lot of it, I think, is because of Doug Wilson and because of the work that he's done to show, like, here's three generations, four generations worth of work.
00:34:59.600The other thing I'll say, just in terms of big even, the status there, is we've seen, and this is a blessing from God, we've seen men being exposed and women.0.89
00:35:11.580Beth Moore, you know, five years ago, she was still hiding in the fold, pretending to be a Christian.0.52
00:35:18.680Now she's like, no, you don't really have to listen to the words of Paul.0.82
00:35:22.060I'm sorry, at that point, you're a false teacher and a heretic, openly.
00:35:26.200Russell Moore, David French, these guys were kind of like hiding.0.58
00:35:30.420You know, Russell Moore was at Southern Seminary, and then he was at the ERLC with the SBC.
00:35:35.360But now he's like, he's outed himself.
00:35:37.360That was what I had in mind when I read Jude, that these people are actually hiding in your midst and there's stains on your communion service.
00:35:48.040I mean, yeah. Yeah. So I think that's been a big blessing, you know, just that these guys have been exposed. They're basically political operatives. The Davos video that came out last week, Rick Warren at at this giant World Health Organization event in like 2008, talking about how the church can be weaponized during a pandemic to lead the people in whatever the state wants them to do.
00:36:12.360like basically rick warren was laying the groundwork for what would happen in the shamdemic
00:36:18.180we know from megan bashham's reporting that that is in fact rick warren was you know intimately
00:36:23.180involved with the the dissemination of uh you know propaganda from francis collins and fauci
00:36:28.820and those guys so again i think that's all really positive i'm really encouraged to see a lot of
00:36:34.020people standing up to that saying hey you know we have problems here and um you know we know who to
00:36:40.120stay away from because they're you know they're political operatives really yeah so i think we've
00:36:45.980got a good lay of the land like where we are where do we come from where are we now and my hope is
00:36:50.800that next we would lay out some principles yeah you know some principles like these are hills to0.96
00:36:56.720die on because here's the thing so many of us uh in in this like bastard culture you know that0.80
00:37:05.320doug wilson calls you know father hunger yeah and that robert bly and iron john talks about0.98
00:37:10.600you know is this fatherlessness is just an epidemic where where sons don't know their
00:37:15.800their father yeah essentially and they meaning they don't have the vision they don't have the
00:37:21.040patriarchal like hey son follow me this is where our family is going these are the values of our
00:37:26.960family you know this is this is the virtue that our family embodies this is what you will do this
00:37:32.100who you are. And so a lot of us in many ways are bastards to that. We don't have the vision for0.99
00:37:38.880the future and for our generations. And so what I'm hoping to do is through some of this and our
00:37:44.820continued work is to really give a vision similar to like in the movie Braveheart, William Wallace,
00:37:52.240he goes into battle and he's going to pick this fight, right? You've got the armies of Scotland
00:37:57.160and the armies of England that are assembled and the Lords are going to go negotiate. So they get
00:38:01.180some more wealth and some more lands. And, uh, William Wallace gives this really stirring speech
00:38:08.340right where he's like, you know, Hey, we need to go fight for our freedom. Um, we need to go and
00:38:14.380we need to fight. And the people are like, no, yeah, but we're going to die. You know, if we
00:38:18.200retreat, we'll live. He's like, yeah, you may live, but you would give everything, everything
00:38:24.700you had on your deathbed with your family gathered around you to go back to today,
00:38:29.080to go back to right now and to fight for your freedom. And he wins the hearts of these men.
00:38:35.560And what he did is he said, here's the target. Here is what you are for. You're for freedom.
00:38:41.300And here's the battle and come and follow me. So what I'm hoping to do is kind of paint a picture
00:38:47.680of like, where should we go? What are the principles? What is the freedom essentially
00:38:52.980in this in this case the hill that we should die on and then all start going towards the work of
00:39:00.220building which would be the thing after that so yeah so dan the other thing i was thinking about
00:39:04.160this morning i don't know if this is qualifies as a principle you know we're sort of talking
00:39:08.000about the build fight win and as we've thought about the king's hall right we're saying we don't
00:39:12.880want to be the kind of guys that just sit in a room and talk about these things and you know
00:39:17.640intellectually we're you know stimulated and we say oh great conversation and then we go out and
00:39:22.160people go yeah but you're not doing any of that yeah yeah so i think that's like one of the
00:39:25.760instincts we've had in this is yeah and we'll show our work at the end of this yeah because we do
00:39:30.280have things we're working on that's right absolutely and that that is one of the one of
00:39:34.040the principles i wrote down preparing for this episode was just what you're talking about eric
00:39:38.220that principle floating in the air disconnected from theological musing isn't enough that we need
00:39:44.660applied theology the new christendom won't be built without masses of everyday blue collar
00:39:51.860christians just doing their work christianly yeah i mean it's the same thing as like the the instinct
00:39:58.480of the of the drunk guy in the pub right who is really upset about something and he froths about
00:40:03.440it and he gets done venting his anger and he's had a few drinks and then he settles down and he's
00:40:08.440like well i feel better you know and then he goes home and and sleeps it off but having accomplished
00:40:13.180absolutely nothing whatsoever so that's not what we're trying to do yeah and i think the other
00:40:17.460thing brian alluded to this mentioned it is this is one of the things i love about blue collar
00:40:21.640America, is if you convince them of principles, men have said to us, to me and to us, if that's
00:40:28.780true, what do I need to go do? And so that's the instinct we're trying to create in ourselves and
00:40:33.720in other people. Yeah, we need as well, I think even guiding that, this is another principle that
00:40:39.740has shot through really everything we've done here in season one, and that's to build a new0.99
00:40:43.700Christendom, you have to understand the totalizing nature of the Christian faith, meaning that you
00:40:48.160have to understand that Christ has something to say about every part of what it means to be human.
00:40:54.240We're not just aiming to build theological eggheads. We're not even just trying to do
00:40:58.780doctrinal retrieval from times past. Yeah, sure, let's understand the mysteries and the glories of
00:41:07.000the Church Fathers and the Reformation, and let's tap into that root. Let's do the work of retrieval
00:41:12.800theologically. Let's make sure that we're rooted to the church organically and deeply,
00:41:19.100but you have to understand that Christianity is a totalizing faith. It makes demands on0.74
00:41:25.660your whole person. Present your bodies as living sacrifices to God. This is your spiritual worship.
00:41:32.060So when we say Christendom, some people think we mean like ecclesiasticaldom, like we mean
00:41:37.840just church, church, big church, like church everything. No, no, we mean being Christians
00:41:44.180in every aspect of human civilization, human society, and human life. And so if we're going
00:41:51.020to do this thing, it means that, man, we've got to figure out how to do vocation and money
00:41:55.840Christianly. And is there a way to do that? The answer is yes.
00:41:59.400It's also interesting to point out, I think a lot of people, when they hear us say that,
00:42:03.340they think, oh, so you want the church sphere to swallow everything.
00:42:06.680Yeah, and you're like, no, no, no, no.
00:42:08.580We want everything to be brought under the rule and reign of Christ.
00:42:11.300Yeah, so just the default worldview of the business owner, when they're doing business, is that of a Christian.
00:42:16.640When somebody is making political or legislating, they're legislating from a biblical worldview.
00:42:24.120When somebody is raising their kids, when somebody is going to the grocery store, when a guy is building a bridge, they're all doing it like Christians because there is a Christian way to do those things.
00:42:34.400And so that's what we mean is like every person's default worldview is going to be that of Christianity because they believe the gospel and they've bent the knee to Jesus and they have faith that is living faith.
00:42:48.940Another way we could say this is that we're aiming to disciple the nations.
00:42:53.660Well, I mean, I've read that it literally doesn't say disciple the nations.
00:50:31.840No, it's like, and what I mean is that there are some basic compromises on a level of Christian doctrine you have to embrace to embrace Big Fast Famous.
00:50:39.200Things like robust church discipline is one of them.
00:50:42.340These things are the immune system of the church that are continually preaching people out of the church and out of the community.0.94
00:50:48.560If they will not be Christians, they will not obey the Lord.0.94
00:50:52.200We don't want them, even if they have a lot of money, even if they'll give us a lot of influence, whatever it is, whatever carrot is dangled.1.00
00:50:58.500So I think a lot when we say deep rootedness, a lot of what we're saying is let's stop giving way and getting rid of these really important tools that the Lord has given to prevent fast growth.
00:51:11.960Like look at the methods he used. Hey, don't follow me because if you do, you're going to be, you know, I don't have a place to lay my head. Do you want to be like me? You're going to suffer too. Jesus was continually trying to talk people out of this. And so I think that, you know, as we just take up, again, not reinventing, this isn't new stuff. We just do the old things. We'll see the growth slowed, but it will be oak tree growth.
00:51:40.080Well, and part of it is like generational thinking as well, right?
00:51:43.740Covenant succession, like we've been talking about.
00:51:46.080Because you can't have deep roots if you don't start thinking past five minutes from now.
00:57:47.620There's some jobs, like, you know, you think about the work that we do where somebody could pay you an exorbitant amount of money and you'd say no to it.
00:57:54.520You're like, no, it would take me away from what I am called to do.
00:57:57.640This happens in churches all the time, by the way, is you'll get somebody coming in and they are going to give you a big donation, but there are strings attached.
00:58:06.200And if you take those strings, you've just been bought.
00:58:10.040I mean, there is probably like a reasonable, hey, I'm going to give this money to your school.
00:58:14.560I just really like it to go towards books or whatever.
00:58:17.740You know, that's a, that's a, that's a different thing.
00:58:20.180It's, it's really where you get some of these churches that are, they become so indebted to a few persons that they have to show partiality and then they've capitulated at that point.
00:58:32.760And so even apart from institutions, men must be principled in the fear of the Lord and not as people pleasers, but working heartily to the Lord and that they cannot capitulate to the first shiny object that's placed in front of their face to capitulate on their principles.
01:00:33.780You're communicating a lot by the way that you conduct your liturgy and the fruit that you're producing in your people through that liturgy because you're telling them, this is what God's like.
01:00:44.320This is how you worship and approach the holy and living God.
01:00:47.800And so if you cultivate a very shallow, shallow worship service with the barest minimum, you know, of essentials, you're going to produce a people that emulate that.
01:00:59.880If you make it all about an emotional experience, a worship experience, your people are going to become like what they're worshiping, which is a God who dispenses emotional fuzzes and fizzes, right?
01:01:09.720On the complete other side of the spectrum, if you worship like the Orthodox Church and you worship in this, I will be surrounded by my cloud of idols that I will venerate, or like a Roman Catholic, I mean, I drove by with my guy Ben Garethus last week, Mary, Queen of Heaven Church, Roman Catholic Church.
01:01:29.120And if you worship in some of those ways as well, we're not just saying high liturgical's better than gay, big, fast, and famous.
01:01:35.800are saying, no, you got to get worship right. It's like, if I look at the cultures that something
01:01:40.800like, you know, in Eastern Orthodox cultures that have been dominated by that, I see cultures that
01:01:47.180look like the worship of idols in many ways. And actually, Doug wrote a really good article. I
01:01:52.360wish I had recently read it so that I could say it as well as he did. He wrote a really good
01:01:56.720article on that where he was making a similar critique of Orthodox worship and the culture
01:02:01.660that it made where you can go to a country that's been dominated by it. And you go, you're going to
01:02:05.960be like, come to this church, go down to the catacombs, and you'll be able to touch this
01:02:10.860mummified body of this old saint. And that will dispense this special grace to you. And you'll be
01:02:16.080able to touch them and ask the saint to pray for your cancer or whatever it is. And it was like,
01:02:21.600we need to get worship right, or we'll become idol worshipers somewhere. If you don't get the
01:02:26.980worship of God right in the center, it's not, there'll be no worship. Some idol will get in
01:03:29.560Okay. Number eight, death to celebrityism. That is definitely a Brianism. Death to celebrity, but not death to courageous, extraordinary leaders or death to hierarchy, rule, and authority. That was worded in a way that might be a little confusing.
01:03:49.240So essentially what you're saying is death to the celebrity, but not death to courageous, extraordinary leaders.
01:03:58.460Yeah, death to celebrityism, even more importantly.
01:11:21.360Words go out and they take root in different places and different people's minds and they kind of worm around and they get into their DNA.
01:11:27.160And you'll notice that when you listen to somebody for a long time or you sound like the people that you were influenced by and they shape literally how you live your life.
01:11:34.760So one of the things that we believe needs to exist are more Christian publishing houses with this particular theological and cultural vision for this totalizing view of the Christian faith coming out in everything that you do as a human being.
01:11:49.560So we're aiming to do everything from long-form books, type of media, to video. Obviously, we have a lot of podcasts, music. We're also looking to basically put on a conference here in the year of our Lord 2023.
01:12:05.340We're aiming, Lord willing, to put on our first New Christendom Press conference here that we'd
01:12:10.500love for you to consider coming and joining us and being a part of. All of this, we have
01:12:15.720sort of a placeholder. It's got some info up at newchristendompress.com. And you can go over
01:12:22.380there and basically sign up to keep in touch with what we're doing, as well as hear some more
01:12:26.580about what we're building at New Christendom Press. And also, as we've said many times before,
01:12:33.420doing high-quality Christian media. Doing high-quality media is extremely expensive,
01:12:39.920costly in terms of time and money. And so one of the big announcements that we have is that
01:12:45.040actually now Eric Kahn is working for us full-time at New Christendom Press, and then we have a
01:12:52.680mixture of other part-time folks that are here. And so we'd love to have you partner with us here.
01:12:59.580we've got lots of different ways that you can support the work at newchristendompress.com
01:13:03.760as well but yeah big project and in in the work since before the king's hall existed even yeah
01:13:11.220absolutely and so one of the ways that you can partner with us as brian was talking about we
01:13:14.520we will have a donation button up on there but also for guys who are looking to invest in
01:13:19.240something long term if you've got ten thousand dollars twenty five fifty a hundred we want to
01:13:24.060partner with you. Tax deductible. Tax deductible. That's right. Thank you, Dan. So really we're
01:13:30.220seeking to do something that is, I think in a lot of people's minds, they may say, well, oh,
01:13:34.580I know you guys had a podcast or a couple of podcasts, but this really goes back to that
01:13:39.120reformational work of really what fueled the Reformation was media, early media. And so we're
01:13:45.080seeking to do that as well, hoping and praying for cultural renewal and change and building up
01:13:49.640of Christendom 2.0. Yeah, including some tools for families and fathers to lead their families
01:13:55.760in worship. Yeah, so we're looking to build more than just some books and some podcasts,
01:14:01.940although those are going to be very, very core to what we do. And speaking of building,
01:14:07.260the other thing that we've done is we're partnering with Hardiman Company. And Hardiman,
01:14:12.760what they do is they're kingdom-minded, like they're taking dominion economically. So these
01:14:18.480men uh based out of texas they're they buy small businesses uh quite often from from boomers that
01:14:27.420are retiring they're established they don't have anybody to pass the business on to and then what
01:14:32.700they do is they train men christian men and they put them over this business and then they keep
01:14:37.540the business and uh so they're taking economic dominion christianly by putting christians in
01:14:46.280charge of these businesses. And so we partnered with them. So we're going to be doing a lot more
01:14:51.280work with them in order to wage war on the economic sphere against the pagans. Because
01:14:58.820I guess you can't lay siege. I keep bringing that up, but you can't lay siege, but you can lay
01:15:05.340economic siege by being Christians and having the best window and glass shop or having the best
01:15:11.920auto body shop or having the best whatever small business yeah and true freedom for christian men
01:15:16.460is going to be yeah economic as well as yeah you have to have a great church to go to but you also
01:15:22.240have to be economically free working for christian men to to build up own space yeah where you can
01:15:27.940operate on and and build your kingdom on that we've we've talked a lot about ecclesia ecclesial
01:15:34.500building we've talked a lot about education we've talked a lot about family and we've talked about
01:15:39.160economic dominion. But this is one of those areas where you can, I mean, we're really hoping to see
01:15:44.940the money put where the mouth is in ways that are massive and have potential to be absolutely
01:15:52.460game-changing in lots of cities and lots of places. So yeah, we've been working hard building
01:15:57.800that as well. At this point, Dan, if you would just kind of let people know, what's the call
01:16:02.500to action if people are interested in learning more about that or perhaps getting involved,
01:16:06.580either an investor or small business owner or stuff like that, what can they do?
01:16:11.160Yeah, I would go to hardimanco.com and take a look at their website, see what they do.
01:16:15.840Take a look at the companies that they have right now. And the thing is, as far as investments,
01:16:21.760there's a project that we'll be working on that will be launched here soon that will allow you
01:16:27.460to not just donate money, but to actually be an investor. But I'm not going to announce any of
01:16:33.480details of that at the moment. Okay. So if you want, if you're interested in that, just get in
01:16:36.880touch with us through one of our channels and there will be more information. Yeah. If you want
01:16:41.140to see, if you want to see economic dominion taken, you know, in, in towns that have good churches
01:16:46.980like Ogden, there's going to be opportunities there. So you can reach out to, to me or to one
01:16:53.560of the guys at, is it King's Hall at Proton? It's the King's Hall at protonmail.com. Yeah.
01:17:02.540And we can also provide links for that.