The King's Hall - January 20, 2023


Season 2: Father Hunger

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Final Principles for The New Christendom A Famine of Fatherhood: Symptoms of Fatherlessness

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00:00:35.840 The United States is becoming an increasingly fatherless society.
00:00:41.560 A generation ago, an American child could reasonably expect to grow up with his or her father.
00:00:48.920 Today, an American child can reasonably expect not to.
00:00:54.020 Fatherlessness is now approaching a rough parody with fatherhood as a defining feature of American childhood.
00:01:01.940 David Blagenhorn from his 1995 book, Fatherlessness in America.
00:01:08.360 The King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well and win the world.
00:01:17.180 Well, welcome, gentlemen, back to the King's Hall podcast.
00:01:21.000 We are in season two.
00:01:22.000 I am one of your hosts.
00:01:22.740 I'm Eric Kahn. I'm joined by Pastor Brian Sauve and Pastor Dan Burkholder.
00:01:29.100 Brian has been gallivanting, creating beautiful music, so many gallivanting.
00:01:35.560 It's been a long time.
00:01:36.060 I do picture you skipping and singing now that you mention it.
00:01:38.840 I don't ever skip when I sing. It'd be really difficult to actually do those two things at the same time.
00:01:42.600 You're right. You're right. Your mouth breathing would really be acessuated.
00:01:46.800 Here we go. Here we go. It's been a while, but we're right back at it.
00:01:49.800 We're right back.
00:01:50.440 We are locked.
00:01:51.880 I am so excited to be here, Eric.
00:01:53.360 I was going to say, Dan, I have to get your excitement level about season two.
00:01:57.580 I feel like your excitement is what drives us.
00:02:00.740 Wow.
00:02:01.380 And it's what our listeners are craving.
00:02:03.380 Yeah, I think most people would describe me as just like an emotional, tumultuous sea.
00:02:10.160 So I'm glad.
00:02:11.380 Of joy.
00:02:12.180 Exhaling the wine dark sea.
00:02:14.220 Exactly.
00:02:14.500 Of joy.
00:02:15.000 It's more like, Dan, do you feel anything ever?
00:02:18.440 except joy other than joy well guys we're excited to begin season two and one of the things we want
00:02:27.000 to do in this episode is just give a quick introduction and a lay of the land for what
00:02:31.880 you our listener can expect from king's hall season two so the main theme for this season
00:02:38.620 is going to be father hunger and actually i just want to start off by asking you guys
00:02:43.420 why this issue why did we feel like it warranted a whole season dan as you read in the cold open
00:02:49.380 we're kind of picking up on this theme of fatherlessness is a real problem but maybe for
00:02:54.840 people who are saying is it tell me more obviously we'll have more episodes on this but why this
00:03:00.180 issue why did we pick this one well i think if you if you understand what we were trying to do
00:03:04.640 with season one eric where we're taking this big 30 000 foot view in many senses of the idea of
00:03:13.400 building a Christian society, building Christendom, where we're talking about all sorts of different
00:03:19.100 aspects of human life. And we're basically saying in that season that hopefully you've all listened
00:03:25.020 to. If you haven't, go finish. There's a lot of gold there that we hope will edify you. But what
00:03:30.080 we're saying is that Christ is Lord here. Christ is Lord here of the state. Christ is Lord of local
00:03:35.680 politics. Christ is Lord of the church. Christ is Lord of the family. And if we're going to build
00:03:41.600 anything like Christendom, then we're going to need to recover that thesis that Christ is Lord
00:03:47.780 over every part of what it means to be human. We're going to have to clear away the rubble
00:03:52.020 that's been built up, the shanty towns, as we put it last season, on our job site of this 1.00
00:03:57.880 Cathedral of the New Christendom, and then we need to build. Tear away the dross, skim it off, 1.00
00:04:04.500 I'm mixing metaphors. And then we build the cathedral. And as you look at that, you start
00:04:11.620 to see that running through almost every one of these stones in this cathedral, there's this
00:04:16.640 fault line. There's this corruption there that touches on fatherlessness. We talked about fathers
00:04:23.600 over and over, city fathers, church fathers, fathers in the home. And we started to realize,
00:04:29.700 I think that one of the issues we're going to have to deal with in some depth
00:04:33.900 is this issue of father hunger, and what do we do about it?
00:04:38.500 And we'll talk about this as the season expands,
00:04:41.200 but at the center of reality is a father.
00:04:44.320 If we're going to rebuild anything properly,
00:04:46.020 we're going to have to make sure that earthly fatherhood properly relates
00:04:49.260 to that cosmic fatherhood of God.
00:04:52.260 And so I think this warrants a whole season
00:04:54.420 because it is such an enormous issue,
00:04:57.360 and it touches every other issue.
00:05:00.660 Well, yeah, I'll say it's how important it is
00:05:03.460 in the grand scheme of actually flourishing human society.
00:05:08.780 I would say that it is the most fatherhood,
00:05:13.140 father is the most important human authority on earth.
00:05:19.960 The most important,
00:05:21.540 the single most important human authority on earth
00:05:25.040 is a father.
00:05:26.020 I think you're right.
00:05:26.340 And so when you look at building new Christendom, like you said, taking dominion, one of the principles of warfare is a concentration of force.
00:05:36.460 And so when you see in war, you see like a weak spot in the enemy's defenses, you would employ the concentration of force and you would breach there.
00:05:45.940 And obviously that's been happening to us, to Christian society for a long time, is that the weak spot in the defenses have been fathers.
00:05:56.340 And so there is a war being fought against fathers and fatherhood. And so what we're going to do is we're going to punch back. We're going to show this weak spot and shore up our defenses. I mean, I think that's really what needs to happen in order to recover Christian ethics, Christian culture, and Christian worship is a strong class of fathers.
00:06:22.360 And so we're going to look at the effects and the fallout of failed generations of fathers and the fruit that it produces and then what we can do about it.
00:06:33.860 Yeah, it's really interesting. And we'll start to unpack some of the episodes now, give you kind of a flyover country view of what we're going to talk about this season.
00:06:41.880 But I found it really interesting in researching and doing a lot of the prep for this season that these issues, we have things like statism and welfare state, which has replaced the father.
00:06:54.580 So kind of like 20th century things that happen that are pretty unique.
00:06:58.380 But when you go back to it, you can listen or read about in the Fifth Commandment Westminster Confession, pretty much this isn't a new problem.
00:07:07.200 No.
00:07:07.500 They're talking about how fatherhood is God's plan for authority, order, and structure in the
00:07:11.420 entire cosmos. So really, we have an advantage too, because we have ancient pillars to stand
00:07:17.440 on and rebuild. We're not trying to reinvent something new. Even if you go back to Paul's
00:07:23.480 statement, you have not many fathers. I mean, that is just a sentence from Paul that's really
00:07:29.720 stuck with me and rolled in my mind a lot as I'm thinking, what did Paul mean by that?
00:07:33.340 But all the way back there in the first generation of the church, Paul is saying there's this issue where you need wise, old, sage men who can father you, raise up the next generation.
00:07:45.760 And he didn't just mean physical fathers.
00:07:47.920 He also meant church fathers.
00:07:49.400 And so even all the way back there, you see this issue of father hunger rearing its head.
00:07:56.940 Yeah, that's exactly right.
00:07:57.900 So that kind of dovetails nicely into this overview of the episodes for the season.
00:08:03.680 But first, I guess it's worth noting as well, Brian, we have soundboard.
00:08:08.080 Do we have the soundboard ready to go?
00:08:09.780 Yeah, we do.
00:08:10.260 And I can say one thing about it in the language of Brian Sauvé.
00:08:13.580 Yeah.
00:08:14.560 Glorious.
00:08:15.460 Oh, no.
00:08:16.340 It is glorious.
00:08:16.900 Oh, wow.
00:08:17.880 By the way.
00:08:18.280 When did you say that?
00:08:19.180 That was not me.
00:08:20.180 I want to make that 100% clear.
00:08:22.640 Are you sure?
00:08:23.520 I'm pretty sure that that is Will Ferrell.
00:08:26.300 That's Will Ferrell.
00:08:27.740 That's not me.
00:08:28.300 That is Will Ferrell.
00:08:29.200 You guys, kids, don't Google Will Ferrell.
00:08:31.120 Don't ever watch any of this stuff.
00:08:32.620 Don't look at what that's from.
00:08:34.160 None of that.
00:08:35.240 We also, some old throwbacks, Dan.
00:08:37.620 Do we have a classic? 0.97
00:08:38.340 Do we have a gay? 1.00
00:08:39.000 Oh, we've got the classic. 1.00
00:08:41.520 We've got some standbys. 1.00
00:08:42.560 Hey, I mean, and gayness, 100% rejection of fatherhood. 1.00
00:08:46.880 Happy Father's Day, you homo. 1.00
00:08:49.340 Exactly. 1.00
00:08:50.100 Antithesis of fatherhood.
00:08:51.400 That's exactly right.
00:08:52.160 So it ties in.
00:08:53.080 I mean, very tight.
00:08:54.640 It all ties in.
00:08:55.720 Sophisticated tie in there.
00:08:57.560 That's right. So we will have episode, the first couple of episodes, we're going to be
00:09:02.200 talking about father hunger. Where do we see it showing up in our culture? We're also going to
00:09:05.960 be talking about what caused it. We're going to talk about how the state and welfare replaced
00:09:10.420 fathers in American life. Why that's so important. By the way, so much of this happening in the 1960s. 0.89
00:09:16.640 We're kind of living with the fruit of it today. One of those things that we see showing up today
00:09:21.120 as sort of bad fruit is also this okay boomer phenomenon. Yeah. I didn't realize this, but 0.91
00:09:26.660 there's like entire essays written on this
00:09:28.600 topic. Really? Yeah.
00:09:30.520 Wow. In the Atlantic and places like that.
00:09:32.660 Yeah. Can't wait. So people picking up
00:09:34.660 on that, we're going to talk about that. I bet boomers wrote them. 0.99
00:09:36.540 I'm just going to say. Oh, no. 0.98
00:09:38.440 Boomers. They're like, stop. 0.98
00:09:40.120 There's some David French in there.
00:09:42.420 My favorite author. Yeah.
00:09:44.540 Exactly. Is not David French.
00:09:46.300 Just let me finish.
00:09:48.480 I'm going to let you finish.
00:09:49.920 Even the dispatch is like, no more David
00:09:52.380 French, please. Yeah, let's send him
00:09:54.400 to the New York whatever. New York
00:09:56.440 libs we can't do it is that the name of the paper the new york libs new york nix that he writes for
00:10:01.200 it's the new york nix okay gotcha yeah that's right so uh gentlemen we're also going to be
00:10:05.920 talking about what are fathers for why do they exist uh we'll consider some things from paul's
00:10:10.400 letter to titus as well when he says to appoint elders to create order so we see that uh fatherhood
00:10:17.280 is for order among other things we're also going to be talking about multi-generational visions
00:10:23.040 We talk about that in the midst of our church.
00:10:25.440 Dan and I were talking about this the other day with young men.
00:10:28.980 What's your telos?
00:10:29.880 What's your aim?
00:10:30.480 What's your purpose?
00:10:31.760 What's the compass points of principle that you live by on a daily basis?
00:10:35.900 And Dan, correct me if I'm wrong, but so often we hear, I don't know, I've never thought about that.
00:10:40.740 Yeah, even you had tweeted something that we were talking about the other day, and it was about vision.
00:10:47.360 Oh, yeah, do you remember the quote, Seneca?
00:10:49.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:49.980 If a man doesn't know which harbor he sails for, any wind seems right or something like that.
00:10:55.480 And so some of the comments were like, yeah, but how do I do that?
00:11:01.340 And we got you.
00:11:02.740 We're going to help you.
00:11:03.720 Yes.
00:11:03.980 If you have that question, that's one of the things we want to do.
00:11:06.600 I think to Brian's point from earlier, we're trying to be very blue collar and practical because it's one thing to talk about these lofty city states and the things that we would want to build.
00:11:16.900 And even ideas like Christian nationalism.
00:11:18.720 Yeah.
00:11:19.120 But that's 50 years down the road of fruitful, faithful plotting in local communities, establishing households.
00:11:27.040 And I think a lot of it, too, helping young men with just practical ways that you can build a robust household.
00:11:33.580 Sort of tied into this as well is also episodes that we'll do on generational sins.
00:11:39.020 Some of the things that I've seen on Twitter is when you correct a generational sin, either in the millennials, but most likely it's in the older generations,
00:11:46.920 we get a lot of pushback and we say you should never point out the failures.
00:11:51.340 And then on the other hand, we have a lot of, I would call it reviling that goes on from both camps.
00:11:56.860 So we're going to be talking about how do you correct generational sins and errors
00:12:00.080 while still honoring the fifth commandment, still honoring your fathers
00:12:03.880 and fathers not exasperating your children.
00:12:06.320 We're going to talk about the fifth commandment.
00:12:08.540 As we said before, there's more than one type of father.
00:12:12.180 Thomas Watson and others have pointed this out,
00:12:14.160 and we're going to talk about why it is so important.
00:12:16.920 And then, Dan, we're going to talk about a subject I know that is near and dear to your heart.
00:12:21.220 Show me I'm on this new eating program.
00:12:22.480 What have you been digesting, man?
00:12:23.480 It's like two pounds of bison a day, Loki.
00:12:25.140 Which is wealth, inheritance, legacy, and productive property.
00:12:29.300 Makes me sound greedy when you say that.
00:12:31.440 Dan, you are all about wealth.
00:12:33.120 I'm all about it.
00:12:33.860 You're all about it.
00:12:34.920 I just want it.
00:12:35.880 We call him Moneybags, Dan.
00:12:37.480 But not really, because that's elder qualification.
00:12:40.680 Yeah, except for that part.
00:12:42.440 We're joking.
00:12:43.180 It is actually kind of interesting because in our culture, particularly evangelical culture, if you talk about wealth and you say, like, anything positive about it, we've sort of been living in this poverty gospel world, especially in the conservative branches, where wealth is always bad.
00:12:58.600 Yeah, even some of the verses of—if you said them and you didn't tell someone, that was literally a Bible verse.
00:13:04.700 People would be like, wow, that was pretty—I don't know, okay, Creflo.
00:13:08.620 Wise fathers leave an inheritance. 1.00
00:13:10.140 Jesus said that.
00:13:10.860 Well, a spiritual one.
00:13:11.680 Yeah, spiritual one.
00:13:12.840 spiritual inheritance that was just proverbs guy i mean it wasn't creflo that's right so dan we'll
00:13:18.200 be talking about wealth and inheritance we're also going to be talking about if i if i could oh yeah
00:13:21.860 if i could because you may listen no i think i think one reason to whet the appetite there is
00:13:29.100 that this is such an important issue that's neglected is that so much of what's gone wrong
00:13:34.080 relates to the interlocking of legacy and wealth building and generational cooperation
00:13:40.300 where instead of giving, we're robbing.
00:13:44.180 There's been robbery instead of legacy building.
00:13:48.100 And that's one of the reasons why this issue is so fraught,
00:13:51.700 like why it's so painful for many young men.
00:13:55.700 Well, and you think about it.
00:13:56.500 It's like when you do marriage counseling,
00:13:58.600 you kind of look for these key issues that are typical sources of conflict.
00:14:02.940 Yeah.
00:14:03.100 Well, finance is always one.
00:14:05.120 But it's also that way.
00:14:06.460 Luke 12, you have the two young men coming to Jesus and saying,
00:14:09.400 help us figure out what to do with the inheritance.
00:14:11.780 And I think part of the problem is because the father didn't do that.
00:14:14.800 He didn't settle things.
00:14:16.060 He didn't set them up well.
00:14:17.720 And so it's going to cause conflict and tension.
00:14:20.220 And I think when Jesus says, you know, what am I an arbiter over this situation?
00:14:24.080 I think ultimately what he's saying is, you know, fathers should be doing that.
00:14:29.040 That's something that fathers should be doing.
00:14:31.180 I think if you don't have the wealth inheritance question teed up the right way and biblically,
00:14:35.860 which we typically haven't done in our culture,
00:14:38.820 that's where a lot of this OK Boomer angst, I think, is actually coming from.
00:14:42.160 It's tied to money and wealth and inheritance.
00:14:44.980 Yeah.
00:14:45.440 Agree, Dan?
00:14:46.440 Oh, yeah.
00:14:47.040 I just don't want to give too much away.
00:14:48.420 I mean, we don't want to do the episode right now.
00:14:49.860 It's true.
00:14:50.100 But a little spoiler.
00:14:51.760 Yeah.
00:14:52.300 So I don't know if you guys have ever said this or heard this said,
00:14:55.580 but I have more time than money.
00:14:58.580 I also think that an inheritance of time is being stolen generationally,
00:15:02.860 generationally, not just a wealth of finances, but also of time.
00:15:07.900 Dan, that's genius.
00:15:09.120 Well, we'll see.
00:15:09.860 We'll have to talk about it.
00:15:10.960 Speaking of genius, we're going to talk about divided and unproductive households, which
00:15:15.280 are not genius.
00:15:17.020 But how did we get here where we have sort of the ruin of Christendom?
00:15:20.060 Because we no longer, as Anthony Esselin might say, we no longer think of the household as
00:15:24.400 a productive entity.
00:15:26.780 Wendell Berry called it the household, an economy of love.
00:15:30.520 How many of us think of our household like an economy?
00:15:33.260 Yeah.
00:15:33.640 He said it was the central economy in all of society.
00:15:36.240 It's probably closer to what C.R. Wiley calls the place where you go to sleep and watch Netflix.
00:15:40.400 Yeah, it's like a hotel.
00:15:41.300 Yep.
00:15:42.120 Yeah, exactly.
00:15:42.680 So we're going to be talking about that.
00:15:44.000 We are also going to be talking about some biographical examples of wise city fathers like Alfred the Great.
00:15:51.200 Of course.
00:15:51.880 One of my faves.
00:15:52.720 You can't talk about fathers without talking about one of the greatest stories of a father of a nation.
00:15:58.320 A father of a nation.
00:15:59.060 Especially in our past as inheritors in many ways of the Anglo Empire, the English commonwealth.
00:16:08.900 You trace that back.
00:16:10.200 It's amazing that you find this father there at the headwaters in many ways.
00:16:15.560 What's also interesting on the issue of city fathers because we typically think of fathers in the political space as you shouldn't legislate morality.
00:16:28.040 We always hear this.
00:16:29.720 I had a comment on Twitter the other day about, you know, I think pornography should be made illegal.
00:16:34.020 It's horrible. 0.91
00:16:34.960 But there were all these Christians on there who were saying, well, it's not for us to bring our morality into the public sphere.
00:16:40.440 And I was like, well, that's exactly what a city father is supposed to do. 0.91
00:16:44.000 It's also what they're doing to you.
00:16:45.860 Yes.
00:16:46.580 By saying it's wrong for you to – I think they were saying that publicly.
00:16:50.900 Yes.
00:16:51.420 They're on Twitter, so I mean.
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00:17:32.260 Yeah, so a huge issue that we'll deal with.
00:17:35.340 One of the other ones—
00:17:36.480 What do they teach in schools?
00:17:38.060 Well, it is public schools.
00:17:39.580 Statist.
00:17:40.080 Come on.
00:17:40.400 Get out of here.
00:17:41.240 Logic is out.
00:17:41.780 Go ahead.
00:17:42.160 I'm sorry.
00:17:42.720 Yeah, logic is out. 0.57
00:17:43.980 So we're going to be talking about initiatory rights between old men and young men,
00:17:48.420 why those are missing in our society and why we need them.
00:17:51.160 And then, Dan, I know you don't have any daughters yet.
00:17:53.960 Eric told me
00:17:57.000 the other day he's like Dan I hope you keep
00:17:58.880 having kids because having a daughter would be
00:18:00.760 really sweet and you don't have
00:18:02.580 no but you gotta I'm so sorry
00:18:04.780 you just gotta I'm telling you
00:18:06.580 you gotta keep pushing that ball I don't want to salt
00:18:08.660 the wound but
00:18:10.240 Winifred I know
00:18:12.060 when I was traveling this week
00:18:14.080 I had a Winifred sized
00:18:16.640 hole in my heart that's a big 1.00
00:18:18.640 hole she's a big baby 0.98
00:18:20.240 I mean I it was
00:18:22.620 it was terrifying no yes oh but that's something i think it's worth talking about uh you know we
00:18:27.740 talk a lot about fathers and sons rightly so the sons are going to be future fathers uh but it
00:18:32.360 struck me the other day i was watching uh some some kids from the church we were watching them
00:18:37.180 they got up from nap and one of the little girls handed me her blankie and said i just kind of
00:18:41.680 pointed at the rocking chair yeah said i i need snuggles yeah get it and i was thinking wow my
00:18:47.220 teenage boys are not like that at all good this is a good successful good job but neither are my 0.90
00:18:55.980 little boys they're more like oh there's daddy pull out his beard hairs and punch him punch him
00:19:00.160 punch him but i i think the reality here as we'll get into in that episode is that daughters have
00:19:08.000 been and women have been ruined yeah by the lack of fatherly care guidance counsel leading them 0.78
00:19:14.540 well into life. A little teaser, I was reading a book on modesty by Wendy Shallot, and she says
00:19:20.460 something in there. She says, yeah, everybody complains that women are the possession of men.
00:19:25.000 And she said, but what is so bad about being loved by the person who has possession of you?
00:19:31.820 And I thought that's a really interesting thought. You belong to someone and they love you. That's
00:19:37.360 a good thing. Man. And when you hear the phrase father hunger, I think most of us,
00:19:42.060 We think about men and boys and sonship, but father hunger is just as much about daughters.
00:19:50.600 Oh, big time.
00:19:51.280 Just as much.
00:19:52.600 We didn't make a society with the failure points that it has today just by messing up the sons.
00:20:00.320 No, no, no.
00:20:01.000 We messed up the daughters too, and father hunger is going to be right at the heart of that.
00:20:05.360 Yeah, absolutely.
00:20:06.600 Last thing I'll say, gentlemen, about the upcoming season, we have a lot of exciting interviews.
00:20:10.120 interviews dan we got to sit down with mr christopher wiley very exciting conversation
00:20:15.960 i'm excited to share that conversation obviously we've already had it but uh cr wiley we talked
00:20:21.280 about establishing households we talked about productive property one of the things i loved
00:20:25.860 in that episode which i thought was great it was a great conversation piece i hope it whets people's
00:20:30.620 appetite chris made a comment about his sons he said yeah you need to help your your sons figure
00:20:35.640 out how to win the girl and i was like oh that's great dan your thoughts on that interview
00:20:40.020 Yeah, I thought it went really, really well
00:20:42.120 I was listening to him
00:20:44.960 I'm like
00:20:45.340 I love my father
00:20:47.600 But I was kind of like, will you be my dad too?
00:20:51.460 Because he really looks like a good father
00:20:53.940 And you should listen to him
00:20:55.820 Yeah, really helpful
00:20:56.940 We like Chris too because I think he's one of those guys
00:20:59.440 On the older side of the spectrum
00:21:00.940 But just, he's an encourager
00:21:02.960 I think he's trying to encourage the young men 0.88
00:21:05.040 Encourage the old men to do the right thing 0.98
00:21:06.820 And then Brian, we have some other interviews 0.99
00:21:08.900 hopefully lined up as well.
00:21:10.100 I'm very excited about those.
00:21:12.040 Any subject matters that you're particularly interested in from interview?
00:21:17.260 Yeah, I mean, there are some people that I'm hoping will agree
00:21:20.780 to some interviews this season that we have on the list.
00:21:23.380 We have grand plans for them.
00:21:24.980 Grand.
00:21:25.600 This is what we want to know from you.
00:21:27.940 And they're the kind of thing where you're going to be.
00:21:28.840 It's like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.
00:21:31.320 Actually, I don't know.
00:21:32.320 No, I'm just kidding.
00:21:33.260 Neither of those guys.
00:21:34.540 They're all right.
00:21:35.260 Whatever.
00:21:35.660 They've got some stuff.
00:21:36.640 But, no, we're trying to have some conversations this season
00:21:40.760 that are the kind of conversations you go,
00:21:42.840 man, wouldn't it be amazing if we could get that guy just to talk about this thing?
00:21:46.960 Yeah.
00:21:47.280 Like, it seems like this is his wheelhouse,
00:21:49.580 and he's teased it here and there in a book,
00:21:52.240 and I just want to, like, sit down and say, teach me about this thing.
00:21:56.100 Yeah.
00:21:56.780 And I think we'll be able to bring some of those to you listeners this season
00:22:01.220 and hope they're edifying.
00:22:03.040 We try not to, on the King's Hall, we try not just to get clout interviews.
00:22:09.340 I hope that you, you know, there's like a podcast model of, let's just get the guy, whoever has the most followers on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook that we can find, get an interview hoping that they make our audience bigger.
00:22:20.480 And you'll know that's what we're doing if you see, like, King's Hall has Andrew Tate.
00:22:23.900 Yeah, exactly.
00:22:25.420 Unless he turns on the computer from prison.
00:22:28.700 Would he say yes?
00:22:29.640 And we say, say Christ is Lord.
00:22:32.040 Say Christ is Lord.
00:22:33.040 Sir, you need to repent.
00:22:34.340 No, you need to repent, like, a lot.
00:22:37.060 Someone asked me the other day, what do you think about Andrew Tate?
00:22:39.020 And I was like, he needs the Lord Jesus Christ because he's a huge sinner.
00:22:42.960 So we don't want to do that.
00:22:45.340 Whether someone is, maybe even you haven't heard of them, all the way up to, oh, yeah, we really do know that guy.
00:22:51.060 I've read his books, whatever.
00:22:52.380 Whether it's either of those situations, what we want to bring to you are these conversations that are going to move the needle in your life on the subjects.
00:23:02.280 Regardless of platform, regardless of reach, we want to bring you these kind of conversations that will actually make a difference in your day so that you can at the end of the interview say, so what?
00:23:14.380 And answer that question with helpful things for you to do and bring into your own life.
00:23:19.720 Yeah, that's absolutely, as I would say, huge.
00:23:23.660 Glorious even.
00:23:24.680 Gloriously huge.
00:23:26.020 Dan, the last thing I want to talk about in this episode is we have an exciting new project, obviously, with New Christendom Press.
00:23:32.900 So this is the parent cathedral-size press that oversees Hard Men Podcast, King's Hall.
00:23:40.720 Brian, you have a little podcast that has a name I can't remember.
00:23:44.120 Yeah, Bright Star.
00:23:48.540 Bright Fireplace.
00:23:50.000 Bright Fireplaces.
00:23:51.360 Bright Stove.
00:23:52.200 Bright Stove.
00:23:53.080 It's all about the kitchen.
00:23:54.200 No, Bright Hearth.
00:23:54.840 The Bright Hearth.
00:23:55.820 We have Brian's music.
00:23:57.960 Yeah.
00:23:58.400 By the way, what were you just recording?
00:24:00.440 I was just wrapping up this week as we record this year early in January,
00:24:04.300 Year of Our Lord 2023.
00:24:06.320 I was wrapping up the Psalms album, Even Dragons Shall Him Praise.
00:24:10.060 Ten Psalms, two original songs.
00:24:13.080 And also did some production on one song from a project that no one knows about
00:24:20.900 unless you're a patron.
00:24:22.140 Or like us.
00:24:23.760 Or you guys.
00:24:24.440 I mean, you guys too.
00:24:25.800 Do I know about it?
00:24:26.700 Is it a hidden track?
00:24:28.040 No, no.
00:24:28.160 You remember when they used to do that?
00:24:29.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:30.000 Do people still do that?
00:24:30.860 You wait long enough on the song?
00:24:32.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:32.940 You're like, why is this song eight minutes long?
00:24:35.240 And then you find out.
00:24:36.800 Hey, that's actually a great idea.
00:24:38.640 I'm going to, I got to think about this.
00:24:41.440 Ray, you should edit that out so that it'd be a surprise.
00:24:43.620 So it'd actually be a surprise then.
00:24:44.800 Yeah.
00:24:45.120 This would be the genesis.
00:24:46.320 People would be like, deep cut.
00:24:47.300 That was Dan's idea.
00:24:48.220 Boom.
00:24:48.960 Deep cut.
00:24:49.780 It all is.
00:24:50.300 It's all Dan's idea.
00:24:53.360 It always was.
00:24:54.640 Always was.
00:24:55.220 me when people pick up the psalms so right now what we're aiming for is to finish up all the
00:25:00.920 production by the first week of february and i'm hoping to get the guy who mastered all of death
00:25:08.400 cab for cutie's best records to master the album really because uh my friend and producer knows
00:25:13.740 him and it's actually like ministered to him so pretty cool story behind that but um i'm hoping
00:25:19.400 to get that all done first week of february and have a patrons and backers of the project should
00:25:24.900 hopefully get it there uh first week of february sometime and then public launch we're aiming for
00:25:30.580 first week of march man that's exciting so as you listen to this podcast i don't think it'll
00:25:35.040 be out yet still look forward to that hope you guys like it it's been a lot of work and i hope
00:25:41.220 it's glorious oh it's gonna be glorious uh speaking of glorious the last project i'll mention
00:25:46.260 is uh we did an interview with chris wiley we've also got a book that we are under contract with
00:25:52.260 chris uh to write he should lord willing be done in the fall so good that book is about risk
00:25:57.760 uh aimed at i think young men but also old men doesn't really matter what phase of life you're
00:26:02.420 in chris has some wonderful outlined ideas dan to talk about risk i think it's a huge issue
00:26:07.960 culture of safetyism so be on the lookout for that and uh we will we'll have more to say about
00:26:13.900 it but i'm excited about it yeah that should be coming in the fall winter yes yep this year next
00:26:19.800 year be a christmas present for next year there you go willing lord willing so gentlemen we are
00:26:24.720 embarking now on season two of the king's hall podcast encourage our readers to stay tuned become
00:26:30.380 a patron if you're not yet a patron yeah it's a great way to support this show also get exclusive
00:26:34.720 content we are going to be having do you remember after hours do you remember what that was like
00:26:38.920 oh after hours my life has been emptier because of the lack of after hours yeah after hours when
00:26:45.100 we actually like had some whiskey too oh well it's back it's back it's that we can't see this
00:26:51.140 but it is back we back so yeah i'm still just eating meat so i don't know can we make a meat
00:26:57.900 tea that dan can toast with should we make this episode about carnivore too please can we please
00:27:03.440 so today we're gonna make beef tea great dude i've been doing a lot of elk meat and sea lion
00:27:08.400 liver yeah the sea lion liver for the omegas and the elk meat for the joe rogan please no you know
00:27:13.940 what also we need? We need a sound
00:27:15.880 that says carnivore, and then Ben and I
00:27:17.920 just yell like, no, no, boo.
00:27:22.460 Awesome. Well, we appreciate you guys
00:27:23.920 joining us for this episode. Very excited about
00:27:25.780 season two, and until next time,
00:27:28.200 Festin Alente, make haste
00:27:29.800 slowly.
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