The King's Hall - Safety Third： Recap of the 2025 New Christendom Conference

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00:01:18.180 Where do we begin

00:01:22.880 The road for our sins

00:01:27.580 Where do we begin

00:01:48.180 Well, we recently had the joy of meeting many of you guys at the New Christendom Press annual

00:02:01.820 conference here in Ogden, Utah. We heard from some great speakers. Of course, we had Dr. Stephen

00:02:07.140 Wolf out, Andrew Isker, CJ Engel, J. Chase Davis, Joel Webb, and Eric Kahn, Dan Burkholder,

00:02:13.040 and uh most importantly of course myself i'm just kidding i'm not keeping it that was a joke

00:02:23.140 that was a joke it was a joke i'm not keeping it okay

00:02:29.700 i'm just kidding you can you can cut in and we had some great time with other events like there

00:02:38.100 was feats of strength there was music there was dancing there was laughter there were tears

00:02:42.700 really it had it all so we thought we'd sit down here in the king's hall and just debrief from the

00:02:48.520 conference explain some of our favorite aspects of it what we learned what we loved and what we're

00:02:53.780 looking forward to in next year's conference and yes we are already looking ahead and even have

00:02:59.580 tickets open for next year's conference with some new twists uh coming up so sit down with us here

00:03:05.840 in the king's hall and we'll talk through it all with you the king's hall podcast exists to make

00:03:10.920 self-ruled men who rule well and win the world well welcome to this episode of the king's hall

00:03:26.680 podcast i'm joined today by two kings first of all dan burkholder brian silvey and i say too

00:03:33.440 because my name has been changed i'm not a king anymore nope i'm a commissioner he is the

00:03:37.980 commissioner in fact i require the meme to be put on the video right now that somebody made and i'm

00:03:43.940 going to tell i'm going to tell i'm going to derail right now and tell the story you have to

00:03:47.120 so we're at the new christendom games which we'll talk about it's amazing feats of strength we got

00:03:51.480 like 40 guys 30 guys out on the field just lifting 250 pound sandbags doing you know all sorts of

00:03:58.160 crazy stuff mile run and then you know about two-thirds of the way through the event ben and

00:04:03.660 I are up in the stands watching because, uh, you know, not because we couldn't have done it

00:04:08.920 ourselves, but for other reasons, personal reasons that I don't want to get into. And we, you know,

00:04:14.260 Eric has been over there and he says, you know, I've, I've got to pee. He's had to pee for like

00:04:18.980 eight hours or something, but keeps talking to people. He's like, I'm going to go, I'm going to

00:04:22.420 go pee. He walks away. We turn around and talk to each other. 30 seconds later, we look back.

00:04:27.560 eric is not at the bathrooms eric is on the field and he's in a full suit with a tie and it's like

00:04:35.280 115 degrees and we see eric there standing between two the mount athos guys who are each

00:04:42.960 the size of the rocky mountains like the quads of mount zeus mount olympus like they are absolute

00:04:50.300 kings quad Zeus throwing 250 pound sandbags like they are filled with air and Eric is Eric is like

00:05:00.240 there between them and it looked from a distance like he was teaching them how to lift the sandbag

00:05:04.740 like no more you gotta activate more quad there which was not what was happening I was trying to

00:05:12.060 get pointers from them but here's the deal Eric is a coach Brian Brian says this it's the running

00:05:19.940 joke in the office i like to get involved i like i stood on the sidelines for as long as my soul

00:05:24.940 could take it yeah and then i was like i need to go cheer on the boys yeah i need to i need to talk

00:05:30.540 them up yeah i need to yeah i went actually went horse be among the people yelling encouragement

00:05:36.560 yeah ben and i went down to we followed the lead we were like our fearless leader goes to the field

00:05:41.360 we must go to the field of victory somebody yeah we i think the meme has been on but it was

00:05:46.060 i think that was vince lombardi it was they took lombardi out and there's eric with the packers

00:05:51.660 right the packers yeah yeah just doing his thing i just want to comment on how much better the

00:05:58.260 story has become in the few days that you've been telling it yeah it was record-breaking heat

00:06:03.700 the scorching sun eric in full wool full garb it's a wolf yes six months two mythological

00:06:13.960 creatures yes known as the mount athos i'm telling men yeah are they men are they demigods we don't

00:06:20.020 go look at the instant the new christian instagram and in the the game slide you'll see one where one

00:06:25.480 of these homeboys has a sandbag on his shoulder and i'm telling you his quads are the size of the 0.99

00:06:32.520 wasatch peaks they literally i'm telling you right now no homo no homo here right they literally are 1.00

00:06:41.620 beautiful men okay no homo beautiful men beautiful specimens okay thank you for gracing us with your 0.98

00:06:48.860 presence all the well festinolente that's all the time we have for this episode of the king's hall 1.00

00:06:53.940 yeah it was interesting because uh i do remember going out on the field and the vibes were so high

00:07:00.260 i mean andrew isker is finishing his mile there is a crowd chance filled with stomping

00:07:08.260 it's good it's good and he's coming down i said to andrew afterwards i said andrew did you hear

00:07:14.500 the people they were so proud of you and he said no they were cheering because they didn't want me

00:07:19.640 to die we had such a good time again just the energy around that event was really cool

00:07:27.220 um it was interesting i felt a little bit bad i went on the field the guys are soaked some people

00:07:32.680 were having like heat stroke and i just walked on the field and two of the other guys from mount

00:07:38.500 athos they came up and they're like would you like an electrolyte drink can we get pastor con

00:07:42.900 would you like some water and there's these guys like passed out on the ground like have heat

00:07:47.780 stroke have heat stroke and i was like yes i would i would like some unlike david what i should have

00:07:54.060 done i should have taken the water and said i will not drink this water i will pour it out

00:07:57.820 yeah because of the sacrifice did you do that i i drank it okay that would have been 0.91

00:08:03.300 next year i was very hot yeah you were again i'm in full suit no homo but 0.85

00:08:10.680 like not wait hot we're talking about temperature not the right time oh yeah yeah all right uh but 0.92

00:08:18.860 it was cool i think the event we had bagpipes we had bagpipes it was the pinnacle of white

00:08:26.500 Tate Taylor, wonderful job putting on that event.

00:08:29.460 I do think for a lot of people, the reason that was so big is, again, it's just these little signs of life in communities that you can just do things.

00:08:38.540 That stuff is being put together, that things are being accomplished.

00:08:41.080 We're not just, this is the online people who don't know us, right?

00:08:45.420 It's the constant, like you guys are just LARPing.

00:08:48.240 Yeah.

00:08:48.900 Right?

00:08:49.160 You're not building anything.

00:08:50.220 You're not doing anything.

00:08:50.980 You're just LARPing. 0.98

00:08:51.960 uh you're a bunch of fat pastors who who aren't actually on the field as commissioners and 0.91

00:08:58.960 here we are commissioning and my favorite part of of that is that the winner of the event 0.55

00:09:05.600 levi levi whitley i think that's right i think that's i think i got that right the winner of

00:09:10.880 the event is a dad of like six well killed it i mean absolutely killed one of the coolest things

00:09:16.760 was we had a competitor who was just at the time and I think he didn't actually make the time

00:09:24.740 but Levi and another guy went down to the line with him and helped him finish all their sets

00:09:30.060 to see him across the finish line that was just such a cool moment yeah kind of the no man left

00:09:35.480 behind we had a guy from our church who's you know army guy who's used to working with young men he's

00:09:40.960 like tears running down his eyes he's like this is what men do like you don't leave anybody behind

00:09:46.180 It was just such a cool experience.

00:09:48.840 And I think it inspired a lot of people.

00:09:50.300 We were talking with Stephen Wolf and the other speakers,

00:09:52.480 like they want to do it next year.

00:09:55.860 And so we're talking about competing.

00:09:58.400 Now, I will say this, if one is to be the commissioner.

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00:10:43.320 uh one can't compete yeah that's because he has to inspire others with his non-competition he's

00:10:49.620 more of a figure dance face right now he's more of like an icon yes you know that inspires men

00:10:56.060 with his greatness yes in a suit he doesn't go down into the he stays on mount olympus he doesn't

00:11:01.780 come down well he comes down but in regal attire to to crown the victor yeah i just

00:11:07.420 i'm disgusted right now this is awful what this is i'm so disappointed dan where were you were

00:11:14.260 you on the field uh wait a second hang on whoa i thought it was about the man in the arena dan

00:11:20.780 yeah dan was on an arena a couch i did go home that is great take off my suit and i did lay down

00:11:29.440 on the couch and i did take a nap you didn't regret it which is actually well now i do now

00:11:34.620 now that i'm out of the moment yeah you know uh but then i had to get dressed and go back to

00:11:40.040 another event but that is actually a form of leadership because all men are leaders

00:11:44.200 and so it's what do you call it like couch potato leadership

00:11:48.560 oh i mean if you come for the commissioner can we get like a

00:11:59.340 that is um wow i did also like i'm talking about how we're going to compete win but then tate did

00:12:08.340 say like what would be great is to have the haunted cosmos guys commentating and i will say

00:12:14.820 that that may be where i belong i love how you guys are so amped and you're like we're definitely

00:12:19.420 going to compete next year but obviously like i'm i'm i'm discluded because i may compete i'm the

00:12:25.180 commissioner i have to commentate like so our new crescent and press team is now down to the guy who

00:12:30.860 sits on the couch when the games are going on that's our old dan this is what i'm hearing dan

00:12:35.700 you're our only hope you're our only hope no we're gonna we're gonna do it it's gonna do it

00:12:41.440 it will be the curios capital team already inside source uh we did promise the speakers that we

00:12:48.160 would compete i never promised to be all natty i didn't say you had to be all natty that's what

00:12:54.540 i'm saying no of course not okay guys we become the trend we're gonna be like and by next year

00:13:02.720 i mean by like i'm i'm just throwing yeah let's be clear wait did you promise me

00:13:08.300 like that i would know because you were on your couch i was talking i was talking to people who

00:13:14.460 actually i'm not saying that i'm going to be juicing for this event but there will be signs

00:13:18.400 there will be signs like when i'm benching 445 pounds in by april of this year which is slightly

00:13:25.960 more than i benched now april of this year yeah you know it's in the past already i can't even

00:13:31.880 see like my mind is being addled by the steroids already yes uh speaking of mind-altering experiences

00:13:38.380 the conference itself classic transition classic transition yeah uh there were a lot of speeches

00:13:45.820 that i think were really good everybody seems to be consensus the one that really moved everyone

00:13:52.360 most i think was steven wolf yeah and uh so dan he was talking about home i guess just give us

00:14:00.280 a quick kind of recap we'll have these out hopefully very soon if they're not already

00:14:04.440 out by the by the time this comes out um so you can listen to it but what was steven talking about

00:14:10.320 why was it so powerful? Yeah. I think what he really did is, is gave definition of something

00:14:16.320 that we all intrinsically know. Actually his whole talk was just expositing a definition of home

00:14:21.860 that I wish I could remember off the top of my head, but essentially there's this idea that

00:14:28.500 the place that you're in home is actually a part of you and you're a part of it.

00:14:35.220 and I thought one of the most apt points he gets to like the culmination of really talking about

00:14:41.200 home and how a house is just a house it's not necessarily a home like you can assume that

00:14:48.160 there are houses that are homes and things like that but he said if you replace the people

00:14:52.840 you replace the place like the people are what makes a house into a home the people are what

00:15:01.420 makes you know grandma's yeah farm and in montana or you know like the lake house that i grew up

00:15:09.680 going to that was my uncle's place it's the people that are really reservation well i only went there

00:15:14.580 once and i almost got knifed by an eight-year-old and then my brother got a jagged cut on his foot

00:15:21.020 from a broken liquor bottle in the lake so let's just say that i didn't form a complacent delight

00:15:27.640 through the actions of my generations that trained me for my heavenly home from that experience.

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00:19:53.200 Okay, for example, so I grew up in Wisconsin. I'm just going to ignore whatever you just said,

00:19:59.500 whatever that was. Uh, no. So I, I grew up in Wisconsin, moved away in 2011. And, uh, last

00:20:07.040 summer I visited home. I visited my grant grandma who's still alive. She's well in her nineties,

00:20:13.480 late nineties. Uh, and my uncle and cousins and, and relived some of the experiences that I had

00:20:20.180 in my childhood. I really wanted to share that with my children. And it was something that he

00:20:25.620 brought up in his talk, or it was something that I wrote down in my notes from his talk. I can't

00:20:30.000 recall which, but either way, um, there is something special about a place where you've

00:20:34.980 had experiences, where you've had your people together and you've grown up that you want to

00:20:40.960 share with your children. You want them to have the same experiences that you had, even something

00:20:46.680 they, they probably, they won't get it. Yeah. They just won't understand, but it's like,

00:20:50.680 Hey, there's that, there's that Island in the lake. That was a really special place to me

00:20:54.740 because I had these experiences here and it's like the place almost calls to you because you

00:21:00.920 made it something special and it is something special to you and you want to share those

00:21:06.780 experiences. But I really did think one of his points was that was really interesting for our

00:21:12.320 applications today is that if you replace the people, you replace the place. And he was talking

00:21:18.340 specifically about this immigration madness and invasion of our country because when you try to 0.99

00:21:25.580 replace the people you replace the place it's not the same anymore you know and we we know this uh

00:21:31.620 he uh steven wolf uh talked about napa where he grew up and this may have been offline he was

00:21:38.840 just talking about the tragedy of going home uh sort of like the the hobbits when they returned

00:21:44.400 of the Shire at the end of the series. And it doesn't look the same. They remember a place

00:21:50.260 that's home, but it's all been mechanized and the great trees have been cut down. And yeah,

00:21:55.980 the party tree is gone and the people are being replaced or, you know, there's, there are different

00:22:02.640 nefarious folks that live there now. And it's a tragedy. And he said that a lot of us have those

00:22:08.420 experiences and he himself included when he goes home to California, cause that's still home to

00:22:13.080 him and he sees just the destruction of his place that he grew up in and loved and is such a part

00:22:19.640 of him and it's being destroyed and it's one of the greatest tragedies of our time is that our

00:22:25.020 homes are actually being destroyed to the point where because the people can't come back because

00:22:29.380 the people have been replaced it's not the same place even pointed out that i have the definition

00:22:34.700 i took note i like his definition a lot uh but he he said that you can't transfer these memories

00:22:40.780 you can't make a place home for someone who hasn't had the complacent delight generated by

00:22:47.140 their own experience of the place so the sadness also comes in like for him taking his kids to this

00:22:53.160 drive this entrance this road to the what was the family home and it's still got the wolf

00:22:59.480 the wolf ranch the wolf ranch there's got the yeah and he can take a picture with his kids but

00:23:04.360 he can't pour into them his own delight in the place yeah he said his definition was that home

00:23:11.880 is a place of complacent delight generated by the activity of loved ones which adorn space with

00:23:17.840 intimate familiarity across generations in order to perfect the union of a particular people

00:23:23.540 and to foreshadow the union of people to come so or and he's even talking about um of home to come

00:23:31.520 this was imperfectly noted down. He'll, he'll be like, that's not actually the perfect definition,

00:23:36.320 but it foreshadows our heavenly home. So the idea of complacent delight is really important in this,

00:23:42.540 that it's like a complacent love is like an almost pre-rational love. It's not a love that's

00:23:48.860 generated by your will that you say, I'm going to love this thing. It's a delight. That's almost,

00:23:53.980 it's before that automatic it's assumed it's in the background programming of your heart.

00:24:00.100 And it's something you may not even realize until you don't have it anymore.

00:24:03.180 Yes.

00:24:03.440 How much you genuinely loved it.

00:24:06.080 So one thing that I talked to him before his talk, I had said, you know, there are a lot

00:24:10.060 of people that are moving right now, all across the country.

00:24:13.180 A lot of people are moving here.

00:24:14.960 And I tell people before they move that you don't realize how much you will miss home.

00:24:20.840 You underestimate that.

00:24:22.260 And there will always be a part of you that is left back in that place that desires to

00:24:28.080 go back to home.

00:24:29.240 And I said that the hope is that, because I feel this, right?

00:24:33.200 The hope is that my children will have never experienced that.

00:24:37.160 This is their home.

00:24:38.360 They won't have that war within them to return to home because they are home.

00:24:43.280 And so that's why it's really important for our mission and something that we've talked about many, many times in church and on the podcast is that we're building institutions.

00:24:52.880 We're building experiences.

00:24:54.280 We're building a people in a place so that our children will love it here.

00:24:59.240 They'll love our homes.

00:25:00.620 They'll have fond memories of home.

00:25:02.720 It'll be a place of Sabbath and of rest and a place to return to that their hearts would

00:25:07.420 actually be one here.

00:25:09.300 And so that's something that I hope that my children never experience is that they will

00:25:13.240 be home.

00:25:14.100 So this is one of the things I think that's challenging for people who are wading through

00:25:18.820 these issues.

00:25:19.500 On the one hand, like let's say Colorado, I left Colorado.

00:25:23.640 It's where I grew up.

00:25:24.800 The mountains are home.

00:25:25.820 we grew up in a certain place but it was devoid of healthy christian culture and so at some point

00:25:34.020 you make a decision where you're like yeah but that's not enough yeah right so i'm gonna actually

00:25:38.460 forsake home as i knew it because well part of it is all my people had left it as well

00:25:43.740 so it wasn't really home in the same sense even though there were memories from childhood and

00:25:48.440 stuff like that and you you can make a decision to say okay like you we're gonna establish a new

00:25:54.100 home and that's going to be hard. And I look back at our forefathers who sailed across the ocean

00:25:59.240 to do that and say like, yeah, it probably won't feel like home for us. Um, you know, my, my wife's

00:26:06.340 family, you know, you've got Europeans from France and Italy, and they would always talk about like

00:26:11.220 the old country. I remember the old country, but then their children don't remember that. So it's

00:26:15.920 totally different. I do feel like it's this tension because you have evangelicals who are like people

00:26:22.300 in place mean nothing. The only realm that matters is the heavenly and the church. But then I think

00:26:28.220 the word complacent is so important here because you can't rationalize that away.

00:26:35.160 No. What I do long for in Utah is that even my kids, we came here, we're older.

00:26:40.860 So it's not quite the same as you, but I have noticed in the couple of years we've been here,

00:26:46.380 i always think about returning when you go on a trip and you return like as we pull into ogden

00:26:53.320 it's like this is home it's becoming home yeah yeah you're right and as far as the big eva

00:26:59.520 establishment brian to talk to your talk your your speech at the conference this is really one

00:27:06.100 of those universals that are that are weaponized yeah because the answer is well the world is not

00:27:11.620 my home yeah and so it's just dismissed that this idea that home is actually a real thing and then

00:27:18.140 it just becomes a bludgeoning tool for multicultural globalism yes this liberal order we take a cute

00:27:25.860 little gospel saying totally misapply it and say well it's good to not have a home it's good to be 0.97

00:27:31.240 vagrant because that's what the economy does to refugees yeah yeah the web the idea of a weaponized 0.81

00:27:37.740 universal is that you people can appeal to weaponize universals or some big shiny universal 0.99

00:27:45.160 biblical verse or principle to avoid needing to have any specific knowledge of a topic or to

00:27:51.820 treat it accurately within its category so it's a great example that you know we're constantly told

00:27:57.640 like the nations are coming to us what a good what a good thing um you shouldn't idolize your

00:28:04.180 home or your country or have this patriotism, or you shouldn't want to defend the borders.

00:28:09.120 Open borders are great because, you know, heaven is our home. We're just passing through. And

00:28:14.380 they're getting their categories completely mixed up. They're acting like God did not weave into

00:28:20.240 the world a deep longing for a place. And to give us an experience of that, that is non-ultimate,

00:28:27.420 of course, like it's not, our home here is not our ultimate home. But what I love about the

00:28:32.460 ending of, of Stephen's definition of home is that our experience of home here is intended to train

00:28:38.240 us for and prepare us for that heavenly home, for the eternal home. So it's like, um, to use the

00:28:48.180 classic example, it's like the last battle when the unicorn is says, this is the place I've always

00:28:55.820 longed for. But heaven, the new heavens and new earth in Lewis's Narniad, it is like the platonic

00:29:04.100 ideal of the place they came from. So it's England isn't lost, it's there in its perfection.

00:29:09.480 Narnia isn't lost, it's there in its perfection. And I think that Stephen's getting at a similar

00:29:15.140 thing here, that our heavenly home doesn't destroy and eradicate all of our experience of

00:29:23.040 our earthly homes it actually it is that experience perfected right just like our glorified resurrected

00:29:29.740 selves they're not the diminution of our bodies they're the apotheosis of our bodies it's the

00:29:36.160 perfection of our bodies it's not a renunciation of the goodness of creatureliness or createdness

00:29:41.880 it's the perfected glorified experience of creatureliness and createdness well and i i

00:29:48.120 think to, um, just to put it in kind of like an earthly sort of like, I don't know, or more like

00:29:54.100 earthy kind of metaphor years ago, I did the corporate thing, you know, for two decades

00:30:02.080 almost. And I was always told if you want to move up in companies, you got to move every like 18

00:30:06.700 months to three years. Yeah. And so we did that. We lived in Colorado. We lived in Kentucky,

00:30:11.840 Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, back to Colorado, different part of Colorado, then to Utah.

00:30:19.100 But somewhere along the way, I remember reading Wendell Berry talking about home and I was

00:30:23.340 thinking about trees and, you know, Dan, I think this would connect with you.

00:30:27.700 If you want a really sturdy tree, even a highly productive fruit tree, can you move it every

00:30:35.800 year?

00:30:36.800 Can you move it every two years?

00:30:38.500 No, the way you get great orchards is you drive by one and you're like, this has been

00:30:41.860 here for 200 years.

00:30:43.480 Like that's a good orchard.

00:30:45.660 So even for us as people, can you be rooted and fruitful in the best possible way if you're

00:30:50.940 constantly being uprooted? Well, obviously not. It's generated by the actions of our ancestors

00:30:56.480 too. Like there's this growing up in the military as a military, I didn't grow up as my dad was in

00:31:02.500 the military to be clear. And one thing that the military culture does is it robs you of the

00:31:08.220 experience of home. So my experience of childhood home are Montana, my grandma's place that we would

00:31:13.840 go to every summer for several weeks and like just the particular actions of my grandmother that

00:31:18.740 aren't like glorious they're not it's like the cereal that she would buy for us when we came over

00:31:23.260 or the the junk pile my grandpa made of all the old cars he was constantly tinkering with

00:31:28.760 but the military rootlessness created a lack of that experience until moving to Utah and putting

00:31:36.600 down roots and creating that experience are like myself. Um, so it's, it's interesting having that

00:31:43.560 perspective of being the tree that was like, and same thing in a different way than what you just

00:31:49.320 described, California, Ohio, England, Utah. It was just, and my wife moved even more than that.

00:31:55.960 It was like every 18 months. So she lived in probably 10 different places growing up. And it,

00:32:00.920 it does create in you, uh, a feeling of lostness that you're not connected to anything or anywhere.

00:32:10.380 And I think a lot of people are experiencing that even in their place that modernity and

00:32:15.080 technology tends to deracinate us. It cuts us off from the roots of our people. Even if you grow up

00:32:20.900 in the same town that your great grandfather did, you were likely very much deracinated. You're cut

00:32:27.460 off from the activities of your grandfather you probably don't live in the same place it's probably

00:32:32.520 been highly developed it's probably a whole new demographic that lives there you probably don't

00:32:36.620 share the same trade or community or ways of life you've been globalized in the way you think through

00:32:41.840 the internet so even steven said i think today on x that he's going to do i think a lone bulwark

00:32:48.240 or something talking about what his his home kind of that that definition and what he's saying to

00:32:55.520 create isn't a universal that says you should never move well and that that's why i think that's

00:33:01.920 so important is because as we talk to people who are thinking of moving they have all the vestiges

00:33:07.480 of the earthly home but they have no christian community yeah and so i think and i did this so

00:33:13.860 i'm you know i'm speaking from experience i did this for a time where you would actually do harm

00:33:18.260 to yourself and your family because you want to hold on to that element of home but for many of

00:33:24.160 us, maybe it wasn't Christian. Right. And then, and so you're torn between like, well, do I stay 0.94

00:33:29.220 where my people were or are, even though it's not healthy, it's not a Christian environment, 0.99

00:33:33.800 or do I pick up and move? And CJ talked about this after the conference as well, that in before 1.00

00:33:39.460 his moving from California to Tennessee, he loves California. It's his people, it's his home,

00:33:45.380 but he recognized that for them tactically, California is not going to be retaken from

00:33:49.900 the inside but only from the outside so his goal is like i'm going to prepare generations of my

00:33:55.600 family along with many others so that at some future point california can be retaken as conquerors

00:34:01.760 like that that's literally how he describes it it's not a forsaking of his home it's going and

00:34:08.180 pursuing a place where he can create that home and the people and the home can create the people

00:34:13.440 then that could be worthy of such a task yeah in the future yeah i think one of the interesting

00:34:19.160 thing is i think it's a tie-in to joel's talk uh was really what liberalism has done to culture

00:34:26.680 i would also commend of course they're on the new christian network but stephen wolf's show

00:34:30.680 the lone bulwark yeah he has a really good three-part episode on how liberalism has subverted

00:34:37.680 christianity and he's talking specifically about a piece from andrew walker this whole there's a lot

00:34:44.220 of elements to it. But, and Joel talked about this, you know, I've addressed all these issues

00:34:50.020 in the church across the years. And he said, I finally discovered that really it comes down to

00:34:55.480 two things. The car is liberalism, but the engine is egalitarianism, right? But behind every issue

00:35:02.780 is an egalitarian, and I think pushed largely by Marxism, but an egalitarian impulse to flatten

00:35:10.420 in every distinction. And it's interesting. I've heard Michael Spengler say this, but he said,

00:35:16.860 fundamentally, egalitarianism is a hatred for God because it doesn't want to admit that God is higher

00:35:22.480 than we are. There's a hierarchical relationship between us and the Lord, right? So you can look

00:35:29.440 at the way we deal with race, ethnicity, nations. You can look at sex piety. Fundamentally, the 0.65

00:35:35.480 through line is egalitarianism so i guess we'll start with dan do you agree with that um is has

00:35:41.500 that been a process too i guess i would ask for you like like joel described where like you kind

00:35:46.020 of see it more and more over the years yeah absolutely i mean brian talked about this also

00:35:52.240 in his talk about recognizing the natural hierarchy that god puts into all of creation

00:35:58.940 uh, especially in, into humanity where he is going to, obviously he gives men more talents

00:36:06.080 than others. And it's, it's, and so obviously there's like natural gifting and things like

00:36:10.520 that, but it's not, it's not that alone actually, because for some reason, God even determines to

00:36:16.600 take the five talent guy and to bless him in some radical ways and to set him higher.

00:36:23.720 And, and this is just the natural order. And so when you try to erase those distinctions,

00:36:28.940 really, I think you do see it in so many different aspects. You see this through generations to where

00:36:36.820 you have fathers that essentially, as their children grow older, they diminish in a way

00:36:45.680 their authority instead of continuing to inform their generations. For example, Eric, your eldest

00:36:53.280 his son is going to be married shortly. And you were very involved in making sure that he had a

00:36:59.100 really good wife. You know, that was really important to you also with his career, what

00:37:04.500 he's going to be doing with that. But what egalitarianism does is it essentially says,

00:37:08.700 no, now you're my peer. You're 17, 18 years old. You're now an adult and you can make all of these

00:37:14.740 decisions for yourself. And then you, you essentially cast your son off and he, he drifts

00:37:20.540 and tries to figure it out for himself.

00:37:22.200 And this is what most of us have experienced

00:37:24.720 where there's very little input

00:37:26.640 because of, I don't know why,

00:37:28.200 fear or, you know,

00:37:30.700 I think primarily this egalitarian mindset

00:37:33.160 of like, well, now we're peers.

00:37:34.740 I've cast off this mantle of authority.

00:37:36.840 It's no longer mine.

00:37:38.100 And when you have fathers

00:37:39.280 that don't have authority

00:37:40.620 within their own homes

00:37:42.580 or over their own sons to inform them,

00:37:45.460 what sort of people would you expect?

00:37:48.560 Well, it would be a people

00:37:49.820 that essentially are isolated and have this feeling of self-sufficiency, uh, and do not

00:37:55.980 want to submit to hierarchy. And so I do think that that is a problem throughout. That was just

00:38:01.060 one of the applications that I thought of, uh, is, is within the home primarily. And what,

00:38:06.660 what sort of people would that produce? It would not be a good people. Yeah. I think that's a

00:38:10.860 really good point. Uh, one of the other things maybe it would touch on, this is kind of overlap

00:38:15.260 brian's talk my talk um but as we're talking about the conference um there's this weird thing

00:38:24.100 brian that you mentioned afterwards uh after the conference where on the one hand i think you

00:38:30.700 tweeted this on the one hand we're we seem like radicals to some people like we're the extremists

00:38:37.800 but yeah we were talking yesterday we're radical because we're advocating for a return to

00:38:45.140 quote unquote normal. Like, so the things that we're pushing, I heard this a lot from people

00:38:50.200 at the conference too. They're like, I was expecting this like crazy thing. And it's like,

00:38:54.140 you're talking about Christian households and we come here and there's all these beautiful

00:38:57.560 families and kids and they're just normal people who don't want to feel crazy for living the way 0.99

00:39:04.840 that Christians did a hundred years ago. And that was just, again, it was just normal. Yeah. So I

00:39:09.980 guess speak to that phenomenon. Like what were you seeing? Yeah. I mean, the reality is that we

00:39:14.420 are religious extremists in an objective sense as measured against because extreme is a measure in

00:39:22.600 relation to something else like the mean to the mean so what is the norm religiously in the u.s

00:39:28.940 against that mean we are religious extremists we apply our christian faith to every aspect of what

00:39:36.800 it means to be human push it out all the way to the edges it leads us to make decisions that are

00:39:41.800 quite counter-cultural to our background culture. So it's not just doctrinal distinctions, but it's

00:39:46.740 actually doctrinal distinctions that work out in cultural, social, political distinctions in our

00:39:52.420 lives. So on the one hand, objectively, we are religious extremists, just objectively. And I

00:39:59.360 no longer have any problem just saying, yeah, I'm a religious extremist. Hello. But then on the other

00:40:04.900 hand, um, and, and what I hope this demonstrates, uh, we're normal. We're, we're very normal people

00:40:12.500 like healthy, normal families, great flourishing households, children who are doing well and just

00:40:18.300 being kids, sword fighting and whatnot. Young boys being young boys, girls being girls, men being

00:40:23.260 men, women being women, good friendships, barbecues on the weekends, hanging out as friends, playing

00:40:28.220 golf, worshiping together on the Lord's day. All of those things historically are quite normal.

00:40:33.260 and we look just like normal Christian community.

00:40:36.460 So what it demonstrates that both of those things are true, 0.85

00:40:38.720 that we're both normal and religious extremists, 0.64

00:40:41.080 is that our background culture is insane. 0.92

00:40:43.600 So the reason that we are religious extremists

00:40:46.000 is because our culture has been convinced 0.97

00:40:48.640 that sexually degenerate and clinically insane, 0.99

00:40:53.200 demon-possessed people are normal. 0.99

00:40:55.200 And all of the results of people like that

00:40:58.000 leading culturally in media and politics and the church.

00:41:01.680 So they've created this world where they've normalized complete insanity and civilization

00:41:08.560 destroying insanity. So of course, anybody that resists going with that current of culture

00:41:15.600 is going to look extreme. But when people come to our church, people visit, you know,

00:41:21.860 Stephen said this, lots of people from speakers to just visitors said, man, like your church,

00:41:29.680 There's every, when I meet from Ogden, the men are great. They're high capacity. They're hard

00:41:33.260 workers. They're in lots of different fields. They're not all just pastor pastors or theologians

00:41:37.060 like normal, but they're also normal. They just, they're normal guys. Like I'd be friends with

00:41:43.560 them. I get along with them. I could tell that we could talk and have a good time. They're not

00:41:47.600 dweebs. They're not autists. They're not strange. They're not like basement dwelling in cells.

00:41:54.300 they're not highly abnormal like the the reality is any religious extremist group like ours

00:41:59.920 you are going to have people who are strange and conferences usually there's about one there's

00:42:05.380 some percentage of people that might show up and you're like you are weird you actually are the

00:42:10.020 stereotype guy online that's like in real life everybody's kind of like what's up with this guy

00:42:15.060 he's very strange very bizarre very weird genuinely the people that came to our conference

00:42:22.620 the people at our church they're not that the vast majority of conversations i had with people

00:42:28.500 were like hey you know brian i'm you know so and so i'm from you know connecticut and my family

00:42:34.300 you know they're over here that's my wife here are my kids i i work in i'm an i'm a civil engineer

00:42:38.920 i'm a software developer or i'm you know whatever i'm a farmer i'm whatever it is and we just really

00:42:44.480 enjoy the content have had a great time here i know you're busy like thank thanks for putting

00:42:47.960 this on glad to be here and they're just totally normal non-socially awkward people i think that's

00:42:55.220 actually a huge encouragement from the conference is i've gone to other conferences um across the

00:43:01.800 years and normally with the speakers there's like i don't know sort of like the sycophant thing where

00:43:09.080 you're like they see you as like upon a pedestal and there are people who monopolize your time

00:43:14.800 even though there's a line of 50 people, I would say the vast majority of people that I talked to

00:43:19.640 at the conference, to your point, you could tell they're just quality families, quality people,

00:43:24.860 you know, Pastor Khan, we just want to thank you. Know you're busy. Um, you know, we, we brought you

00:43:29.640 this gift. I had some people give me, you know, some nice bourbon from Kentucky and stuff like

00:43:34.380 that. Really love you. We'll let you go. Um, you know, keep, keep pressing on, keep doing the work.

00:43:39.680 Just want to be an encouragement. That was the vast majority. Um, one of the other things I

00:43:44.520 thought was interesting is it's probably a disappointment to, especially to the anti-Christian

00:43:50.000 nationalist crowd. Uh, but I saw JD Hall post about this. He was like, you know, it's weird.

00:43:55.340 Like I went here and other conferences are like really mad at these guys. And then I went to

00:44:01.000 quote unquote, what, you know, there's a lot of Christian nationalists in the building,

00:44:05.100 especially the speakers. I went to their conference and they're talking about positive

00:44:09.480 visions and they're excited to build and to do the work. They're encouraging one another.

00:44:14.400 There was like zero negativity about what other people are doing, about the detractors.

00:44:20.300 Dan, we talk a lot about this, but the importance of having a positive vision.

00:44:26.840 Plus, then the men in the room, sponsors, our friends, other speakers.

00:44:32.280 I was shocked, as I am every year, the number of builders.

00:44:37.920 They don't want to complain about it.

00:44:39.600 They want to do something about it.

00:44:41.220 Yep.

00:44:41.600 So talk just a little bit about that.

00:44:42.940 yeah i actually had uh he's very high capacity man he's a builder gets a lot done uh he's got

00:44:49.940 his hands in everything from like cotton processing to meat processing to automotive

00:44:57.200 battery manufacturing i mean this guy is like he's a mover and a shaker and he said he was most

00:45:03.120 impressed by first the high quality of the the general attendee and also the the men from our

00:45:09.960 church. He said that almost every conversation he had was about building and that people weren't

00:45:16.460 just there to listen to some good talks. And which, which is a great success for us, right?

00:45:22.100 Because one of the things that we've said from the very beginning, I remember when we were talking

00:45:26.120 about this project of New Christendom Press was that we wanted to inspire men to build the New

00:45:32.360 Christendom. We didn't say like, oh, we're doing it all. Like we're the, we're essentially like,

00:45:37.680 you know, the center we're Rome, you know, we, we've never thought that we wanted to inspire

00:45:43.800 others to build. And in order to inspire men to build, you have to have a vision for the future.

00:45:48.660 If you recall all the way back in the beginning of when we started doing this project and we

00:45:53.140 talked about the stone cutters motto, you know, we, who cut stones and vision cathedrals or

00:45:58.020 something like that. I mean, that's essentially the mantra of many of these men, even if they

00:46:03.180 didn't adopt it exactly was like it was essentially that they've they have a positive vision for the

00:46:09.180 future and that's something that we continually talk about because good leaders are good

00:46:14.400 communicators and so our mission is to communicate continually communicate a positive vision for the

00:46:21.560 future and these men uh and women and families and children generations lord willing have a

00:46:28.940 positive vision for the future and inspire them to build something. And it is really fascinating,

00:46:34.740 Brian, when you talk to these guys who are, you know, different forms of engineers or they're in

00:46:39.240 tech or they work with their hands or they're in investing or finance or whatever it is and how

00:46:44.900 they're applying their trades, their skills, their talents that God has given them to actually build

00:46:51.260 something towards the purposes of building a new Christendom and by blessing their generations by

00:46:57.220 doing so. And in ways that I would have never thought, you know what, that's what somebody

00:47:01.880 should do. We should do this. They, they have just taken this positive vision and they've been

00:47:06.360 inspired and their hearts have been one to build something for their generation, something that

00:47:11.500 they won't necessarily see the fruit of themselves. It is just really exciting that that was the

00:47:16.580 general tone and atmosphere. A lot of the conversations I had were probably different

00:47:21.800 because I'm not, you guys are much more in the arena of ideas and in that battlefield of, of

00:47:28.460 ideas. And, and I'm much more in the field of like, you know, finance and investing and business.

00:47:35.100 And I had guys pitching me ideas on, you know, developments for building Christian cities and

00:47:40.640 how do we structure those things? How do we attract investors? What other business opportunities

00:47:45.780 exist, that, that really we need coalitions of investors and, and, and great business minds to

00:47:51.780 get together and to further build, you know? And so everything, most conversations I had were about

00:47:58.500 building, which is completely different than the other conferences that I had, because it ended up 0.72

00:48:02.400 being like, well, I'm a worm, you're a worm, we're all worms, you know, and, and, you know, 0.98

00:48:07.760 gospel, gospel, gospel, worm stuff. And then you, but you never actually like do anything, 0.98

00:48:12.640 you know so it was good could we pick at scabs of online controversies oh right give me the tea on

00:48:18.360 this thing and you know that guy tweeted this and this article was written and that podcast was made

00:48:23.020 can i just tell you like i had almost if the rounding would be to zero of those conversations

00:48:29.180 with hundreds of people that came and our talks that the speakers weren't it was not an exercise 0.95

00:48:36.920 in scab picking of online controversy it was that activity by the way is as disgusting as you

00:48:44.140 described it i don't want to do like no the people at this conference the speakers on down none of us

00:48:49.400 want that what we want to do is to say guys okay we we disagree on some things i'm sure here and

00:48:54.480 there what can we do we're in our nation is a ship with a bunch of holes in the hall what do we need

00:49:00.220 to do how can we make it different for our children how can we be faithful christian men

00:49:04.740 and family and businessmen and pastors and leaders and et cetera here.

00:49:08.080 Well, this is actually something that, you know,

00:49:10.900 cause I could be like any of us prone to social media to,

00:49:14.120 to jump into some of those dog piles or, you know, whatever.

00:49:17.300 But it's actually something I've learned from a lot of the business guys that

00:49:20.120 we've interfaced with the builders is you'll talk to them about social media

00:49:24.000 or something somebody said, or, you know,

00:49:26.600 whatever the online spat of the day is. And they'd be like, Oh yeah,

00:49:29.620 I saw that. So tell me about this. Cause I'm really,

00:49:32.720 they're operating in this world you don't see and I think there's something healthy about

00:49:38.540 cultivating an attitude of like yeah I don't really care about that so I would just say to

00:49:43.940 all those guys and I know many of them listen to the show I've been encouraged it's caused me to

00:49:49.160 we were talking about this the other day with uh one of our elders Kevin Griffin but he said you

00:49:54.520 know Eric I noticed that you didn't jump into that and I said yeah you know wise pastor Kevin

00:49:58.960 once told me that you don't have to grab every passing dog by the tail. Of course, he just to

00:50:03.760 watch it bark, just to watch it bark. And I think what it is, is those controversies will often rob

00:50:10.420 you of your energy that you could pour into a building project. And one other thing I'll say

00:50:16.160 related to this is, uh, you know, the proverb, the glory of a King is his people. And as we looked

00:50:22.020 out and the number of compliments and the great work that we saw our people doing, um, not only

00:50:27.640 our audience, but I'm talking about refuge people. Yeah. I was so moved by that, their love,

00:50:33.240 the desire to show hospitality to people who are in rough and discouraging situations,

00:50:40.240 to be able to focus on your people, your local place. And truly, Spurgeon had a great lectures

00:50:47.180 to my student. He had a great lecture on this to the pastors. It's from Ecclesiastes, but

00:50:52.760 you hear your servant cursing you. Don't forget that you've also cursed others.

00:50:56.700 and i think it was something like have a blind eye and have one blind eye and one deaf ear

00:51:01.260 and it's really becoming of leaders to be able to just say like i don't know man i don't care

00:51:06.240 like there's work to do i can't spend all my time on gashmue we have an important work set before

00:51:12.180 us let's go do that work and not be so absorbed with the controversy brian the controversy that

00:51:19.780 we skip out on the good work and and realistically to your point hardly anybody was talking about any

00:51:25.840 of that no the thing like here's the attitude that i want and to the point where we're talking

00:51:30.560 about this this coming 2026 conference um like 362 days from now and um we're thinking like what

00:51:38.940 what do we want to talk about no nothing's set in stone but the things that are swirling around 0.67

00:51:42.840 around my mind are the combination of normal religious extremists like how to be both

00:51:49.460 normal religious your average everyday ordinary religious extremist and um the spirit of nehemiah

00:51:57.560 the work is great which we are doing we cannot come down to squabble with you

00:52:02.220 those are the things that just those are on the front of my mind because as we look at

00:52:08.060 even in our sphere which is media like new christian press the company we aim to produce

00:52:13.880 high quality media across lots of mediums that would pursue the work of building a new christendom

00:52:21.460 and i think of all of the resources that we want to exist that will lord willing take much of our

00:52:27.780 time and focus to make excellently and i think would i rather spend my time doing that or 0.88

00:52:34.980 squabbling with doxers and homosexuals on Twitter. It's not that difficult of a question when you put 0.93

00:52:45.200 it that way. And so I would encourage like one of the things I think we could do really a better job

00:52:51.520 at even in the Christian nationalist movement, Stephen Wolf talked about this a little bit too,

00:52:55.900 is that we have to figure out how to make sure that everything we do is connecting to the great

00:53:01.840 positive vision that we have for our nation, people, home. Like we do have to attack. We have

00:53:06.040 to tear down strongholds. We have to destroy idols, lofty opinions raised against the knowledge of

00:53:10.460 God. We have to love and protect our people from attacks. That's very important. Don't stop doing

00:53:15.300 that. But we need to make sure that the major key tone of our work is we're doing a great work in

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00:57:09.660 But I was reflecting on this, something that the G3 guys had posted.

00:57:15.180 They've had a big, you know, kind of blow up internally praying for them and appreciate a lot of the wisdom that's come out of that.

00:57:23.420 But one of the things that they said that I thought was really interesting, they had a new logo.

00:57:28.740 And there was a point in a renewed vision where they said, we need to stop like these platforms and ministries like competing with each other and trying to destroy each other.

00:57:38.560 which i think they're acknowledging unfortunately their their organization was a part of that

00:57:43.080 um that's part of it too where it's like i'm willing to look at a guy with a different platform

00:57:49.180 and they can say hey you're not really our speed and i said great go do good work

00:57:53.200 not interested in the least in tearing down what you're building um you're going to do it in

00:57:59.140 different ways we're going to do it in different ways we had this discussion on the panel as well

00:58:03.100 where acknowledging that in just like in the church but in god's order there's a hierarchy

00:58:09.860 different people are going to play different roles you're going to have guys like us that

00:58:14.920 may be louder you're going to have quiet builders and we need to be slow to say well that guy's a

00:58:19.840 coward because he didn't do it like me everyone needs to know their job yeah there's there's a

00:58:23.780 divisional labor in any movement but i think remaining friends yeah um there's been a really

00:58:29.780 cool spirit of that i mean the stuff isker and those guys are doing yeah we applaud them it's

00:58:34.480 different in some ways than ours great we're friends we're going to support them if we have

00:58:39.220 pushback it'll be offered generally generally like privately um and and vice versa yeah steven and i

00:58:45.640 were talking about this um one of the days about elite formation because it's something that's been

00:58:50.940 on our mind even last year's talk i spent a lot of time in 2024 talking about elite formation

00:58:56.160 within Christian boroughs. It's something that is just on a lot of our minds. And he had an

00:59:01.940 interesting point that I hadn't considered before about why Roman Catholic, one of the reasons that

00:59:06.740 Roman Catholics tend to dominate elite formation in American politics and even culture. Six of the

00:59:14.240 nine Supreme Court justices are Roman Catholics. Okay, why is that? And his point that I hadn't

00:59:19.700 considered was, well, one of the things Roman Catholics do well and Protestants do poorly is

00:59:27.420 that Protestants tend to be hyper-schismatic around very niche insider baseball doctrinal

00:59:31.760 distinctions. So for example, think about when you're looking for an elite speaking to some issue,

00:59:38.240 most of us Protestants think like this, well, I am a reformed Baptist partial preterist general

00:59:46.080 equity, theonomist, expository, preaching, psalm, inclusive, but not exclusive, non-acapella. I

00:59:54.360 believe in instrument worship and I'm patriarchal, not complementarian. And I believe in, you know,

00:59:59.100 like we make this big list and then we go, so I want an elite to teach me about economics,

01:00:04.800 anything that agrees with every single one of those things all the way down the line. 0.78

01:00:09.780 And the Roman Catholics are like, I'm a Roman Catholic. And they, they tend to act like the 0.99

01:00:15.980 roman catholic church isn't full of all sorts of schisms and groups and different in groups and

01:00:21.100 different and it absolutely is like just as much as protestantism in many ways but what they do a

01:00:26.060 good job is when they're actually in their public facing political social elite formation they don't

01:00:30.940 do that they don't do that the same way that protestants do so i mean i'm talking at the

01:00:35.500 conference to guys like um abolitionists reform baptists and i'm not really a part of those camps

01:00:41.700 either one of those camps but i'm talking to guys like that i'm like man what this is a great godly

01:00:46.460 man and family or great god you know from doing great work and um whatever instinct in me wants

01:00:53.260 to go oh but do they agree with me on these 10 to 15 different sort of niche second and third tier

01:01:00.120 doctrinal issues or i can't really support and encourage and work with them and that's actually

01:01:05.980 stupid and we we need to not do that yeah and not from that you know that example it's like okay

01:01:11.540 And then we also had people at the conference who were like, 1.00

01:01:13.600 they would use the pro-life label.

01:01:15.460 They're doing great work.

01:01:16.780 And you're like, this kind of reminds me of like Constantine

01:01:20.100 where he like gets all the different sex and disagreements together.

01:01:24.240 And he's like, y'all need to agree.

01:01:26.020 And then we're doing stuff.

01:01:27.600 Yeah, we're going to have a statement by this, you know, do it, bishops.

01:01:30.640 Stop going to war with each other.

01:01:32.120 Cut it out.

01:01:32.380 We have important work to do.

01:01:33.720 Yeah, and you have to have a certain type of mind for that

01:01:35.720 because it's actually not saying none of those things are important.

01:01:37.880 They are important, but it's saying it.

01:01:39.740 and this is the key aspect.

01:01:41.520 When we're talking about elite formation,

01:01:43.240 the whole point of an elite in a thing

01:01:46.140 is that they are an elite in a thing,

01:01:48.340 not a general elite in everything.

01:01:51.560 That's not usually how God makes the world.

01:01:54.760 There's not typically one guy

01:01:56.460 that's like an elite at everything.

01:01:59.060 You give him any topic

01:02:00.640 and he can speak to it with encyclopedic knowledge.

01:02:03.780 That's not how God made the world.

01:02:05.520 Instead, you get a guy like Stephen,

01:02:07.600 who is an elite in political theory I would say in our camp he's done the homework he's done the

01:02:13.560 reading he has the credentials he's talking to the people who are relevant in the movement he

01:02:17.800 has a keen mind and he's produced one of the key works on the subject in a scholarly format

01:02:24.880 okay Stephen Wolfe is not an elite in music he's not an elite in eschatology he's pretty good at

01:02:36.620 jazz he is good he is a great saxophone player if you don't understand he's not an elite

01:02:40.860 great he's not trying to be and you don't actually have to say like unless steven wolf agrees with my

01:02:47.560 eschatology there's nothing there that's not how elites are supposed to function in a community

01:02:53.020 in a movement i think that's one one of the downsides i think in our camp the camp that

01:02:57.280 we've kind of grown up you know i'm using reform circles pretty broadly here but kind of this idea

01:03:03.140 that the pastor is the expert on everything and a lot of times what it does is it reveals how many

01:03:09.040 times you're out of your depth um you know a good example would be i i think you know this week you

01:03:14.420 know peter lightheart had made some comments on immigration you can read him on a lot of subjects

01:03:18.580 and go oh that's insightful that's really helpful on that subject it was like no like this is not

01:03:24.960 baptized 20th century liberalism yeah it was not good and and and isker actually addressed this in

01:03:30.680 his talk. And I took it to heart of we need to develop the muscle where a subject comes up and

01:03:37.740 we say, you know, I don't really know about that. I was listening to the Ted Cruz, Tucker Carlson

01:03:43.500 exchange about Iran. And, you know, Tucker's asking really good questions about who are the

01:03:47.960 people, what's their ethnic background, like what's their government structure. And Cruz, of course,

01:03:54.080 knows nothing about it, which was revealed. But then I was also thinking, but I also don't like

01:04:00.220 i'm not an expert on iran nor like what is the actual political structure of israel

01:04:07.160 i don't really i'm not an expert on that but again to isker's point having the muscle to say

01:04:12.940 i don't know but let's ask someone who does you know let's talk to somebody who is actually an

01:04:20.020 expert it actually gives you permission to to be comfortable with not knowing everything about

01:04:24.520 everything because that's actually impossible i actually don't need to worry about iran that's

01:04:28.520 not my job you know i someone should but somebody should but it's not me yeah that's right it gives

01:04:34.180 you permission it does it does take a weight off your shoulders yeah when you're like actually i

01:04:38.520 don't need to know about that i do know somebody that does though yeah let's talk to him and it'd

01:04:42.780 be really interesting ai is going to make this problem 100 times worse because people are able

01:04:48.160 to quickly it's going to give you the false the illusion of your knowledge some of the most

01:04:53.280 interesting ways though that i've seen people interact with ai are people who really get what

01:04:56.520 we're talking about there was a guy that said basically you know a couple times a week i go

01:05:01.360 and do it like a zone two cardio on the treadmill like four miles an hour walk and he said what i

01:05:06.180 do is i just open up of one of the ais that has a voice mode and i talk to it i say hey you know

01:05:12.760 let's have a conversation about geopolitics and then maybe it brings up some subject he says tell

01:05:18.100 me more about that and it's he's like asking and learning in this conversant form i thought that

01:05:22.380 was really interesting and the key is going to be for us like humility and curiosity that we say

01:05:28.260 i don't know the subject i do we need to rely on elites who do know subjects but then also

01:05:32.680 curiosity to say i don't know so go look it up if you're interested in it and that's how you become

01:05:37.460 a more interesting person as you say like this morning i realized i have no idea about iran so

01:05:42.720 i was trying to learn about it a little bit i i don't i'm not going to be an expert in it but i

01:05:48.080 want to know a little bit more about it then and so when you run into the edges of your knowledge

01:05:52.440 what it should do is it should produce curiosity and humility not arrogance and pretending and you

01:05:58.700 will get so much more interesting as a person and more useful if you'll just say like I actually

01:06:04.260 don't know can you give me a week though I would love to learn about that do you have any books

01:06:07.340 or let me go talk to this guy while I go it's so refreshing to just do that and experience that

01:06:14.240 And I also think, uh, to a large extent to stay in our lanes, um, you know, like for

01:06:21.460 example, like even the way we pick talks, we try to give people a talk that's in their

01:06:25.740 lane.

01:06:26.400 Yep.

01:06:26.960 Right.

01:06:27.180 So it's like, there's a reason Brian, that you're talking, um, about all these things

01:06:32.980 in, in a very, um, I want to say like intellectual, but it's like your talk stretched me, right.

01:06:39.880 It stretched my vocabulary.

01:06:41.240 I was like, wow, you know, the, the universals, I really had to think about it and that's good.

01:06:46.400 And then Steven's talk, it stretched me in a different way. I was like, wow, I've

01:06:49.560 never been able to put words to some of these feelings and the complacent delight and all that.

01:06:54.420 Um, and, and that's what you want, but also as ministers of the word where

01:06:57.920 you don't have to say, I need to know everything about everything

01:07:02.020 and then comment on everything publicly, which gets you into a lot of trouble.

01:07:08.540 yeah but i think that we've had kind of examples of that in the past where guys do that and so that

01:07:13.360 well it's sort of like that's expected that you have to have an opinion on everything

01:07:16.880 yeah and the reality is you just you just don't that's what weaponized universals do particularly

01:07:22.060 to the pastorate is that because pastors can appeal to very true principles that actually

01:07:28.780 the scripture speaks to life it is able to equip a man um with everything sufficient for for life

01:07:36.760 and godliness, but that doesn't mean it's able to equip him for every particular subject matter

01:07:43.160 expertise sort of thing for every conversation. He'll have the virtues and the principles if he

01:07:48.160 is clothed in the spirit, putting off the old self, putting on the new self by the spirit of

01:07:53.300 God. He'll have the virtues to go be the kind of man that could go learn and speak to various issues.

01:07:59.420 But what pastors, they have this strong temptation to do is to think, if I can come up with a Bible

01:08:06.300 verse that generally relates to a subject, I am able authoritatively to bind consciences on that

01:08:11.780 subject. The immigration is a perfect example, like Dan brought up earlier, the light heart example

01:08:16.340 that you say the world is not our home and we're supposed to evangelize the nations. 0.99

01:08:22.280 Therefore, globo, homo, multicultural, endless immigration, war machine go burr is good. 0.99

01:08:29.580 Well, obviously when I say it that way, you go, that's dumb. It doesn't follow. And yet 1.00

01:08:33.060 so much of our pop reformed pop evangelical political theory conversations have been on

01:08:40.000 that level of discourse they're genuine and when you poke it with the tiniest needle you realize

01:08:46.220 how shallow it is when steven wolf comes in and says actually our nation hasn't always been a

01:08:51.700 nation of immigrants in the way that you're talking about what the founders meant here here

01:08:55.640 here and here and here and here and here in primary sources was they're talking about a

01:08:59.460 very specific people group that are, that they are able to assimilate and integrate and they're

01:09:03.360 made up of and they have a certain characteristic and national culture. And so when you flee to

01:09:09.020 weaponize universals, the temptation for pastors and ideologues everywhere is to bind consciences

01:09:15.560 by a really ham fistedly applied universal that you didn't even adequately understand how it

01:09:20.880 related to the subject. It should be embarrassing for us. It's actually one of the surest ways to

01:09:25.040 be ineffective and unlikable. I mean, seriously, I'm going to give you a little, little secret

01:09:31.080 here. So guys that are experts, if you want friends and to learn, uh, and to actually grow

01:09:37.140 in networking, primarily I'm talking is that you should be really interested in somebody else.

01:09:43.880 Yeah. Because I think the instinct, uh, you know, if you're like, especially for pastors,

01:09:48.420 but other men, doctors are actually really bad at this. I have a doctor friend who said doctors

01:09:53.240 are like even worse than pastors at this. They're an expert in one field and they just assume

01:09:58.400 expertise in every area that they can speak with confidence to anything. And it's one of the

01:10:03.820 surest ways that one of these understated experts, true genuine experts will not like you and will

01:10:09.880 not even waste their time with you. So like a man like Stephen Wolf is like this. If I were to walk

01:10:14.760 up to Stephen Wolf and I was to treat him like a peer in political theory and philosophy and things

01:10:20.640 like that. I know what he would do. Oh, I'm assuming he would smile and he would nod and

01:10:26.460 say, wow, that's really interesting. And he's sitting there thinking this guy is clueless.

01:10:30.000 This guy has no idea what he's talking about. It's the same thing in the business world. If

01:10:33.740 you're to talk to a guy, you don't know that this guy, this man could be worth hundreds of millions

01:10:38.660 of dollars. And you're telling him about your Bitcoin investing strategy because you have a

01:10:42.680 10th of a Bitcoin and they're just going to smile. And they're going to say, that's really

01:10:46.360 interesting. Wow. This guy doesn't know a thing. And so if you, if you want to be really effective

01:10:51.480 at networking is to actually have a right view of yourself and to ask the right questions and

01:10:57.900 then shut up and just listen, be a really good listener. Yeah. I think a good example in our

01:11:02.920 context as pastors would be, and we've had this a lot, right? The guy who comes to you and he says,

01:11:08.700 you know, you're supporting this Christian nationalist thing. It's a heresy. It's from 0.91

01:11:13.080 the devil you're like great tell me about it what what is christian nationalism and then the

01:11:17.960 definition is so poor and so inaccurate that what you want to say is have you read steven 0.59

01:11:23.840 wolf's book on this well no i don't need to because the man's a heretic i already know yeah

01:11:28.180 so so to your point this is actually we're talking about offline but it was a skill i learned in

01:11:33.880 journalism they were like you have to get over your own arrogance stop trying to show the expert

01:11:40.760 that you know instead the best way to get information is to be humble and to say actually

01:11:47.620 tell me more about that i don't know what that term means i've actually never heard that before

01:11:51.740 my favorite thing man people ask me a lot about music in church just because we bumbled our way

01:11:58.440 through like i've been a music minister in different contexts and we transition our church

01:12:03.240 from like ccm to part singing and so there'll be a couple people at this this wasn't at this

01:12:08.140 conference, but like another conference several years ago, a couple of people were, were kind of

01:12:12.980 picking my brain about it. And they were music ministers in their church, hoping to do something

01:12:16.360 similar. And you know, you're giving them like, well, this is what we did. It might not work for

01:12:20.100 you. We do Tuesday Psalm saying blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there was a guy that was like,

01:12:24.960 not a music minister, had no experience in the subject whatsoever, continually interrupting and

01:12:31.420 being like, well, you know what I would do? I think, you know, we should do it. Have you thought

01:12:34.740 about this and everyone there is just so exasperated not because we're all full of ourselves

01:12:39.780 but because it's like we've actually you know we're peers we've done this we're trying to learn

01:12:45.920 together and get something you know out there in the open and just don't be that guy if i just

01:12:52.060 look into the camera soul of the critic don't be that guy but i think just don't be that yeah

01:12:57.120 you're absolutely right and to dan's point ask questions we've done that so much actually with

01:13:02.280 Stephen Wolf, I don't understand this. Where does this come from? How would you deal with this

01:13:07.280 issue? Instead of going in there, pretending like I'm going to tell him something about it.

01:13:10.840 It's actually one of the best ways to make friends. Even here's another secret. Even if

01:13:15.740 you're an expert, if you've read a lot, don't assume that you know everything because then

01:13:20.000 you can actually ask more informed questions. You can say, well, how do you manage, you know,

01:13:25.780 overdue accounts receivables? Like, what do you do with that? You just ask like an informed

01:13:32.100 question that could actually benefit you. And by him talking, you could actually like generate some,

01:13:38.780 some ideas as to how you could improve this process, whatever it is, you know, whatever

01:13:42.920 the topic is, you know, if you just, you are able to ask good questions then.

01:13:48.620 Speaking of good questions, we can kind of tie things up with this. And this is like two hand

01:13:54.900 pat on the back. No, I'm just kidding. And then he proceeds to two hand pat himself.

01:13:59.840 Yes. Well, no, there was, there was interesting. You mentioned music. Um, and this is kind of all tied together. I said in my talk, um, as we've had success, you know, from, from God blessed by God, but as we've had success as a movement, Ogden refuge in our camp, um, the number of detractors, haters, and critics actually goes up, not down. Right.

01:14:22.620 um and you know one of the thoughts that i had from the conference was there's a group of people

01:14:30.060 who because they see some ascendancy uh in a movement that it becomes like we're going to

01:14:37.340 nitpick everything probably the funniest one was music related yeah so brian played uh pompey at

01:14:44.740 my request a request is maybe too light of a term for what i did i was practicing and eric walked

01:14:52.520 in and said are you going to play Pompeii and I said no and he said yes you are I was like please

01:14:57.600 Brian please and I said I don't know it and then I was like so so Brian did a concert and we had a

01:15:07.140 smoke machine we had people with flashlights so many Bethel jokes everybody was playing or singing

01:15:13.460 along to Pompeii it was great it was a it's a beautiful moment the people they're beautiful

01:15:17.160 uh but what was interesting several people online was like you know brian and refuge have gone the

01:15:22.980 way of bethel the things that they've criticized look at what they're doing in worship now what's

01:15:28.700 funny is i pointed out immediately i said this was a concert wasn't worse it was not a worship

01:15:32.820 service no but that nobody backed off very few people like multiple people actually doubled down

01:15:38.800 after discovering it was a concert and they're they were very muddled in their objections it

01:15:43.680 was a classic example of evangelicals failing to think clearly in categories as if the problem

01:15:49.080 with megachurches was that they cared about making people feel something instead of that

01:15:53.800 they were manipulating shallow emotionalism to attract them to a false and vapid version

01:16:00.800 of Christianity that failed to be, that was sub-biblical. So it's like when we sing in 0.86

01:16:07.960 church and we don't sing Pompeii and we don't have a smoke machine and we don't, it was a

01:16:11.660 concert, but, but in church, when we sing in four parts with the lights on streaming through the

01:16:15.540 stained glass and we're in four parts and we're singing a fuging tune and the piano's there and

01:16:19.840 the women's voices are rising up and the men's voices are holding it down in the base and

01:16:24.300 the kids are diving in. I feel things deeply. First question, who do you think you are?

01:16:33.760 And that is a success because the Lord is the Lord of the limbic system. He invented it. Actually,

01:16:40.020 The Lord invented emotions and feelings and they're good.

01:16:43.360 And he invented beauty and he invented the richness of harmony.

01:16:47.520 This is actually something connected to the whole CN movement, Christian nationalism, and like Stephen's talk.

01:16:54.000 It was aimed at creating a visceral, sentimental attachment to home.

01:17:00.080 Yeah.

01:17:00.820 And that's not a bad thing.

01:17:02.540 I think what you're talking about is, yes, in broader evangelicalism, it has become a vapid sentimentality and romanticism about, you know, who knows what.

01:17:13.600 It's lowest common denominator shallowness attracting people to something not worth winning them to.

01:17:18.460 Whereas you want to leverage beauty and emotion and feeling to attract people to the rightly ordered use of those things and something worth attracting them to.

01:17:27.160 That's right.

01:17:27.700 You know, it's like that's that's actually the goal.

01:17:30.500 We really want to do that. It's the same error that like the TGC crowd crowd classically made

01:17:38.080 about marriage where they were like, make sure you're not idolizing your spouse. Let's elevate

01:17:42.760 singleness and, and warn continually against idolizing the family and the natural family

01:17:48.160 and having children and marriage. And the right answer is not to basically convince people that

01:17:53.700 one of the biggest sins they need to look out for is to love their wife too much or their husband

01:17:57.720 too much or their children too much and to say, no, the Lord finds your loves not too strong,

01:18:03.100 but too weak. You need to love your wife more, love her 10 times more than you do now. And you

01:18:08.080 still won't be to how much you will love her in eternity. Love your children a hundred times more

01:18:12.980 and you still won't approach the love that God, the father has for his sons. Our loves are too

01:18:18.780 weak. Our feelings are too weak. When we sing Psalm 42, number 83 in our hymnal, as the heart

01:18:24.300 about to falter. My, though I'm deeply moved by that Psalm regularly, my heart is far too weak

01:18:32.980 in its affection for what David and the Lord intended to stir up in that Psalm. When I'm

01:18:38.640 singing the Psalm 98, the glory of the Lord and how let rivers clap and mountains sing and all

01:18:46.280 of these, all creation joined in this joyful dance. When David says like, talks about dancing and

01:18:50.980 singing before the Lord and all these things. We are way too half-hearted. God is not worried that

01:18:56.700 we might actually love something too much. That's not what idolatry is. It's out of its proper

01:19:02.560 order. We love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, partly by loving the things that he

01:19:10.120 told us to love in his name. This is just like one of the key category errors that we keep

01:19:17.600 stumbling into and it makes us anti-human it makes us so we can't be human beings we were made to

01:19:25.420 love like we were made to delight we were made to weep we were made to enjoy we're made to feel

01:19:30.000 and you get this robotic just absolute anti-human loser theology that it's it's biggest gripe with 1.00

01:19:40.020 Bethel is that they made people feel things they used a smoke machine ah that's stupid yeah uh 1.00

01:19:46.780 Dan, I agree with you. 0.99

01:19:48.240 Dan, I guess we can close out.

01:19:50.000 I just want to ask you this question because you brought it up in your talk.

01:19:52.920 One of the things, it's kind of what we've been talking about,

01:19:55.920 that motivates a lot of the criticism and the infighting

01:19:59.600 is what you refer to as the crab barrel effect.

01:20:03.000 You see somebody making progress.

01:20:04.560 You see somebody doing something.

01:20:06.980 The man in the arena is doing something,

01:20:09.920 and you stand on the sidelines and you criticize him.

01:20:12.980 Well, this wasn't done right, and that wasn't done right,

01:20:15.300 well, if I was in charge, it would have been better. Why do we need to defeat the crab barrel

01:20:20.280 mentality within the movement? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think that you have this baseline of

01:20:26.800 sediment in which we've existed for generations now, probably two generations at least to where

01:20:33.460 nobody aspires, nobody has the will, nobody aspires to greatness, you know, in the ways that

01:20:39.940 we've been talking. I mean, this is like talking about home. How many times have we wished that

01:20:45.620 our great, great grandfather had owned that piece of property or had, you know, bought a real estate,

01:20:52.600 you know, investment company or had, I don't know, many things like actually like invested money

01:20:58.520 wisely so that we would have a foothold. That's not been, that's not been our experience. And so

01:21:04.220 we're all like kind of at the bottom of the crab barrel in a way, starting over, uh, to where

01:21:10.240 nobody really had had the will to aspire to American greatness. And my, my warning was that

01:21:19.300 when you see somebody actually escaping the bottom of the crab barrel, when you see somebody

01:21:24.720 recovering the will and actually having some sort of success. And I think this is what happening

01:21:30.080 is happening to us and to many others across the country that I've spoken to is that people have

01:21:36.460 dreams and desires and great visions for the future and they start discipling their children

01:21:40.960 they start doing things and the people that have they're they're just still in the sediment they're

01:21:46.700 still just in the mire you know and they're they're looking up at this this crab this person

01:21:51.600 who is ascending while just doing good work in their field and the natural human inclination is

01:21:59.200 to pull them down is to criticize because they see something and that somebody else is doing as

01:22:06.020 great work and there's some sort of guilt or something that they don't even realize and

01:22:11.360 they're jealous there's envy there's malice there's bitterness and so what ends up happening

01:22:16.860 is you get uh Theodore Roosevelt's man in the arena in real life and that's what we have

01:22:24.000 experienced with critics and and I know many other people have experienced this as well even within

01:22:28.760 your own families, to where your parents might even be like this, to where they become the most

01:22:33.540 bitter critics of what you're doing as you're like, these are your grandchildren and I'm trying

01:22:38.660 to raise them up and to give them something that I didn't have. You should be proud of the legacy

01:22:42.760 I'm leaving. And instead, like Theodore Roosevelt said, the poorest way to face life is to face it

01:22:49.800 with a sneer. And what ends up happening is as you're doing this great work, there are many

01:22:54.300 people who have faced you with a sneer people that are supposed to be for you and they will try

01:22:58.600 try to pull you down but i i mean you should you should go out and read the speech the man in the

01:23:04.280 arena it's very encouraging um and and so i just don't want you to be discouraged yeah by those

01:23:10.300 sorts of people because they will they will succeed in their mission to just pull you down

01:23:15.900 and you're like the work is too hard i'll just sit down in the arena i wrote an article about this

01:23:21.360 like 10 years ago before most of it was a pioneer it's called um your cynicism is boring me and it

01:23:29.080 was i wrote it because i had been interacting with several leaders in kind of our small circle at that

01:23:35.260 point it was constant cynics everything was sarcasm and cynicism and no hope and blackpilling

01:23:42.680 and it was this like moment where i was reading revelation and looking at the glory of christ's

01:23:50.700 victory and revelation. And it just, and I wasn't post-millennial at this time or anything. It was

01:23:55.240 like, I was offended by hat, by the, by the cynicism. It was like, and we should be by that

01:24:02.100 sneer. That sneer should, you should scorn it. You should absolutely hate that sneering instinct

01:24:08.480 in your own heart because it arises in all of us. Envy and bitterness, all these things,

01:24:12.280 they produce this sneer. But then also you should just not be steered by the sneering of sneerers.

01:24:19.260 Don't let them steer you.

01:24:21.420 Yeah, one thing you've talked about a lot,

01:24:24.200 this is one of the things actually I think

01:24:25.580 when I first met you that was attractive was,

01:24:29.000 and you meant it, it wasn't just lip service,

01:24:31.380 but there is not a fixed pie of glory.

01:24:34.760 And one of the best disciplines for me personally

01:24:37.700 has been every time you see somebody succeeding,

01:24:40.200 especially in the ways you wish you were, but aren't,

01:24:44.260 praise God, give thanks,

01:24:46.540 and even encourage that person.

01:24:48.520 yes to say hey i'm actually really glad that the lord is blessing your work yeah and don't say it

01:24:53.560 like i'm so glad the lord is blessing your work brother but to actually rejoice and if you don't

01:25:01.400 mean it ask the lord help please help me mean it because we're weak like we're so weak we're just

01:25:05.920 our flesh is so it wants to sin we want to sin we want to be gods and we're not and there's so much

01:25:13.100 joy when you're like i'm not a god god blesses everybody i'm so thankful that he's working in

01:25:17.420 that person or doing that thing yes it's such a hard discipline but it is so good for your soul

01:25:23.000 and for leaders it's so good for the culture of the of your people because you will reproduce

01:25:28.960 the sneer or the smile like you will reproduce that in your people one way or the other and not

01:25:35.020 just an individual leader but the collective all of the leaders and the character of the leaders

01:25:39.760 as they relate on a on a team and in cohort that will be reflected and incarnated and reified in

01:25:46.680 your people. It has been very encouraging by the way, as I thought through giving this talk with

01:25:51.620 the man in the arena and the critic and all that, um, the people in our church and the people at

01:25:57.440 the conference, the thing I heard over and over again was I really appreciate your work. What can

01:26:03.220 I do to help? And we saw this with our volunteers. Many of them took time off of work. They have

01:26:07.620 their vacation time that they get, you know, a generous two weeks from their, you know, global 0.65

01:26:12.500 Homo corporation that they're, they're working at. And they took their vacation time to help us

01:26:18.320 in this work. And so what that's done for me is when I talk to men who are like, they're really

01:26:24.960 successful, they're just killing it, whatever they're doing. And my inclination in part,

01:26:29.540 because of the people that I'm around and the culture that they are making as well is to say,

01:26:35.720 that's a really good work. I'm really happy for you. What can I do to help?

01:26:39.560 and all of a sudden you see 1.00

01:26:42.340 opportunities for Christians

01:26:44.500 supporting one another in unity

01:26:46.520 and what could you

01:26:48.320 accomplish? Is there a limit

01:26:50.420 to what you could accomplish by

01:26:52.420 those who have been bought by the blood of Christ

01:26:54.300 who actually love one another and take

01:26:56.400 joy in seeing the success of their

01:26:58.500 brother and in helping them

01:27:00.120 to succeed? I don't think there is a limit

01:27:02.220 to what we could accomplish. No.

01:27:04.400 No, so encouraging. Brian,

01:27:06.580 I'll have you close us out.

01:27:07.640 uh before we do we've got a few things to note number one talks if they're not already out by

01:27:14.140 the time this releases they will be yeah um so you can share those listen subscribe on our youtube

01:27:19.600 new christian oppressed youtube channel and our twitter we'll share them the videos natively on

01:27:23.080 on twitter yes uh so that'll be great i think it'll be a huge encouragement to people we also

01:27:28.080 will have a pre-order for lexi's book yep i want to really encourage people we wanted to have it

01:27:34.300 the conference uh kind of some snafus with the publisher or the printer i should say we're the

01:27:39.520 publisher uh but with the printer didn't get the books in time but they're gonna be here yeah

01:27:43.640 they're gonna be here shortly that is a great book very excited about we'll put a link in the

01:27:47.380 description for the pre-order and um i volunteered my wife for this but she was she was happy to she

01:27:53.160 actually has good handwriting she's gonna sign all the pre-ordered copies right this is a thank

01:27:56.800 you for everybody and supporting us and you know little ship little company like ours when we're

01:28:02.340 ordering thousands of books ahead of time. It's, it's quite expensive and it really helps us

01:28:07.220 and has every time we've published a book that we've had significant pre-order support from you

01:28:11.860 guys. Um, so as our thank you, all the conference copies that folks pre-ordered at the conference,

01:28:16.040 and then also the pre-orders that we bring in before they'll be signed. Once it's out,

01:28:21.380 they'll just be the normal book. She's, you know, has seven of my children, so she doesn't have time

01:28:25.900 to just sign books all day but those will be signed copies every pre-ordered copy and also

01:28:32.600 our next year's conference tickets like we said are live and i think it's it's worth highlighting

01:28:40.060 that we we've every year we've worked to try and make the conference a better deal because we're

01:28:45.820 honored by people giving their time and money to come join us it's such a highlight of our year

01:28:50.540 as a church and community so encouraging like we had a tremendous amount of fun at this conference

01:28:57.000 getting and we want families there so we launched a family pass this year which makes it 30 or 40

01:29:03.620 percent cheaper for a family to come even than it was this last year so you can now go buy one

01:29:09.880 ticket for your family a married couple and their children that are in their household still living

01:29:14.260 in their household can come for this one price there's some like forms to let us know how many

01:29:19.100 people in your family. So we have room for everybody. But it's all live. The best price

01:29:24.580 you'll get on it is right now because it helps us know what venue we need, how big of a venue we

01:29:31.300 need ahead of time. So you can go sign up right now and get tickets for next year for 2026 to

01:29:38.960 join us here. The dates are there. We'll be announcing speakers and that as we solidify

01:29:43.200 them. But yeah, I also thought it was cool. Martin did a lot of work with the venue and

01:29:48.100 planning and doing everything. One of the things we had this year was a huge space as overflow for

01:29:54.440 like kids and, you know, moms, dads, and then a nursing mother's room. So just to emphasize,

01:30:00.540 we are trying to make this as family friendly as possible. Yeah. We want you to bring your

01:30:05.300 families. We want this to be something that's encouraging to all your people. Yeah. We spent

01:30:09.980 four times, I think more on our venue this year than the previous year.

01:30:14.240 um this is not like a huge profit generating event for us we spend quite a bit to try and

01:30:21.640 make it as great of an experience as we can try to give you back the value that you've put in in

01:30:26.940 the ticket and then some uh and it's very logistically complex we've had multiple staff

01:30:33.320 members working for weeks in preparation and then i mean most of them worked 80 plus hours the week

01:30:40.120 of the conference to pull it off. And it was, I think our best conference yet. They did such a

01:30:47.260 good job, Martin, Evan, Ethan, and the team, lots of other people too. Um, so if you, uh, didn't

01:30:54.520 already, you know, send them a note of thanks to the, to the Twitter and, you know, just say,

01:30:59.500 Hey, new Christian and press staff, great job. We appreciate you. Cause they, they absolutely

01:31:03.580 killed it. And, uh, we were very proud of the work that, that they did and looking forward next

01:31:08.820 year to even leveling up we've been talking and scheming about ways like with our uh the games

01:31:15.100 and with some of the events we did we try to get it's not just sitting and listening to talk but

01:31:19.380 participating meeting people um networking and so even this year was the was a high water mark for

01:31:25.760 that next year we're going to get an even higher high water mark on that in getting folks to

01:31:30.540 participate um and uh just be able to actually join in yeah so fantastic so we'd love to have

01:31:37.700 be here in 2026 um and be honored by your presence absolutely any final words just yeah i would just

01:31:45.180 say um thank you to everybody that came genuinely we were honored by your presence like i said it's

01:31:51.080 it's expensive to get to utah and it's a huge pain and you guys brought like 15 kids a piece

01:31:55.900 and it was absolutely amazing we had so much fun getting to know you guys meeting with you

01:32:01.460 and we hope and pray that it was edifying to your family and that you're taking back

01:32:05.640 encouragement and help and practical help in obeying the Lord and bearing fruit where you are

01:32:10.940 and wherever you are, put your back into doing your job. Your job isn't the same as Eric's job

01:32:18.480 or my job or Stephen's job. It doesn't have to be. What did the Lord put in your hands was your job

01:32:23.980 description. Do it with all of your might, do it with zeal, do it with creativity and the Lord will

01:32:30.300 bless, the Lord will, he delights to bless his people as they obey him and walk in obedience

01:32:36.720 and in faith and repentance and with zeal pursue the things he's put in front of you.

01:32:41.760 So whatever measure of faith the Lord's given you, turn it to a prophet for his kingdom

01:32:46.080 and his glory, and we'll catch you next time on the King's Hall.

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The King's Hall - June 20, 2025

Safety Third： Recap of the 2025 New Christendom Conference

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