The King's Hall - The Creed of Their High Places (Part II)

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00:00:36.380 Our world has gone mad.

00:00:38.760 If you could transport someone from the 1500s, say John Calvin, into the present with a time machine,

00:00:44.780 he would be shocked at what he found.

00:00:47.020 They don't know what a boy and a girl is? What happened?

00:00:50.360 One thing that happened is that our world, apostatizing from the Christian faith,

00:00:55.260 began to believe that the world was infinitely malleable,

00:00:58.980 that we could do with it whatever we would,

00:01:01.560 bend it into any shape we desired.

00:01:04.060 We began to believe that we ourselves were gods,

00:01:06.840 not the image bearers of God.

00:01:08.960 In his book, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self,

00:01:11.900 Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism,

00:01:14.360 and the Road to Sexual Revolution,

00:01:16.740 Carl Truman explains these two fundamentally opposed ways of looking at the world

00:01:21.160 as the mimetic and poetic views of the world.

00:01:24.020 He explains, quote, put simply, these terms refer to two different ways of thinking about the world.

00:01:30.060 A mimetic view regards the world as having a given order and meaning,

00:01:33.680 and thus sees human beings as required to discover that meaning and conform themselves to it.

00:01:39.680 Poesis, by way of contrast, sees the world as so much raw material out of which meaning and purpose can be created by the individual.

00:01:47.560 In Romans 1, 18 to 21, the Apostle Paul writes,

00:01:50.540 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,

00:01:56.240 who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

00:01:58.960 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

00:02:03.280 For his invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and divine nature,

00:02:07.420 have been clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made.

00:02:12.520 So they are without excuse.

00:02:14.220 Though it is obvious to image-bearing humanity that God created all things,

00:02:18.280 that creation itself has a givenness, a fixedness, a real and true way things are and ought to be,

00:02:26.000 man in his sin nonetheless suppresses that knowledge in unrighteousness.

00:02:30.260 This is why, in our culture, it is possible for a mother to use the courts

00:02:34.700 to legally strip a father of his rights when he tries to prevent his child

00:02:38.620 from being permitted to chemically transition from a boy to a girl.

00:02:43.080 It's why we don't know what a man is, what a woman is.

00:02:46.400 In today's episode, you'll hear part two of our discussion of the creed

00:02:49.960 that underlies this ascendant, secular humanist worldview.

00:02:53.660 The confession of faith confessed in the green groves and high places of our apostate culture.

00:02:58.960 These green groves will have to go if we are to build our cathedral of Christendom.

00:03:02.680 May this next hour you spend here in the King's Hall sharpen your axe

00:03:05.840 and bring you to look to our brother Boniface,

00:03:08.440 who knew what it was like to face down the green groves and high places of a pagan world

00:03:12.720 and what to do about it.

00:03:14.060 The King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men rule well and win the world.

00:03:20.600 What are some other implications of the belief that man is an animal?

00:03:25.540 What else do you believe if you think that's true, and where does that show up in Western culture?

00:03:30.520 I think one of the places that I've seen it is, so in the book, I'm not sure I would recommend it to a lot of people,

00:03:36.000 but I think there's some insightful points here, but written by the Bronze Age pervert,

00:03:40.860 so bronze age mindset uh one of the things he talks about in there he says i think that

00:03:45.300 evolution is patently false he said the reason is is because man in an animalistic state is

00:03:51.280 actually man at his worst like man in pure survival mode is he's not creating art he's

00:03:56.580 not creating culture we used to know this like you need leisure you need a surplus of goods

00:04:02.500 people have to have time on their hands to create things that are beautiful so really one of the

00:04:07.500 problems is it fails to conceive a man at his best and what he really is. Really, I think

00:04:12.980 Darwinism portrays like man at his best is man in the gulag. That's actually a horrible place

00:04:19.480 to evaluate what men are for. You know, what's really interesting is the gays try to justify

00:04:25.500 homosexuality as a natural act because dolphins and whatever partake in homosexuality. And I

00:04:33.400 always think immediately like you do not want to compare nature as like the standard of good and

00:04:39.960 evil no i mean like chimpanzees they go to war and they rip testicles off of each other well

00:04:45.420 think about that's like their method or like procreation you know uh elk hunting you know

00:04:51.100 the the biggest bull gets the biggest yeah it's winner take all that's what thank you brian you

00:04:57.080 should answer the question even i was thinking even at bears when we were in canada and we're

00:05:00.800 hunting so what the boars will do is the boars will breed a sow and as soon as she gives birth

00:05:06.540 they will rip the cub to shreds so that they can rebreed her yeah or they'll just rip cubs to

00:05:11.920 shreds so that they can breed the female whether they're their offspring or not yeah doesn't even

00:05:16.640 matter so yeah there's there's certainly a brutality there and then you start to think

00:05:20.560 about it and you're like well is that is it really a good picture for humanity but again i keep

00:05:25.440 drawing us back to pop culture i guess that's where my mind is today but i'm thinking of things

00:05:29.680 It's like when I was a kid, it was popular, like the Bloodhound Gang.

00:05:33.360 You and me, baby, we ain't nothing but mammals,

00:05:35.300 so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.

00:05:37.820 So even this concept that human sexuality is going to be defined

00:05:41.780 based on what we see in the animal kingdom,

00:05:44.240 you're going to get a pretty brutal, perverted thing.

00:05:46.040 That's the problem with an evolutionary worldview.

00:05:50.020 The implications of this belief that man is animal

00:05:52.460 is that all of a sudden, every moral ought goes out the window.

00:05:57.300 you can now no longer say man ought to be like this and not like this because who cares if you

00:06:04.160 can do it you can do it like nature brute nature is brutal nature might makes right it's a domain

00:06:10.380 where might makes right and so if you if you can do it there is no good or bad if you want to do

00:06:16.260 it you do it you just you know if you would like to be you know to rape as many women as possible

00:06:22.280 who can tell you they can say they don't like it like they can give you their psychological reaction

00:06:26.500 to it. I don't like that. But they can't tell you, you really shouldn't do that. You can say,

00:06:31.360 why? Chimpanzees do it. Yeah. And I would actually do it. I would actually argue that

00:06:35.160 evolutionary theory is inherently incompatible with morality at all. At all. There is no such

00:06:40.560 thing. It's just a human construct. You know, and it's old, but you would always say to people,

00:06:45.080 when I was in college, we did classical philosophy and the professors would say things to you like,

00:06:50.160 well, you know, morality is just a reflection of taste, like what I like and what I don't like.

00:06:54.860 Yeah. And I said, cool, I'm still in your car. And he'd say, well, you know, you can't do that. Well, why? Well, I could, though. I could actually do it. You don't work out. You're a professor. I mean, I could take you. I could take you. And they're really appealing to a morality that obviously has to come outside of evolutionary theory.

00:07:11.900 Well, you see why these ideals are attractive to one another, because you have this evolutionary mindset. And then you say these constructs are society imposing their ideals onto me, which is really restricting my libertarian freedom apart from God, the made up sky fairy that you believe in anyway. And so they're really friends. And they all, again, come down to there is no God. I'm my own God.

00:07:39.800 You don't have to render unto God what is God's.

00:07:43.780 If you say there is no God and nothing belongs to him,

00:07:47.900 and as we'll see with each one of these individuals that we analyze,

00:07:53.120 and in future episodes, most all of them tend to be pretty perverted individuals.

00:07:58.860 Nietzsche kills himself.

00:08:00.260 Freud is a sexualized freak.

00:08:03.120 Rousseau abandons his children to orphanages where the death rate was 95%,

00:08:07.880 several of his children after writing a book on parenting. Absolutely unreal. The guy was a-

00:08:13.480 No, it was real. He really did that.

00:08:14.920 He did. He was a very bad man. Very, very bad man. So you start to see though, each of these

00:08:21.300 build and they culminate. We've already told you the punchline. They culminate in the final one

00:08:25.520 that man is God. And you see how it's like, this works. Man is good. Well, now man is an animal.

00:08:30.940 And so he's an evolving animal. He's ever changing. He's unfixed. And so you can now

00:08:36.140 become something, your nature can change. The good nature that you have, it's plastic.

00:08:42.920 You can mold it however you want. And so you start to see how we can get to this idea that

00:08:48.640 from that, eventually it's like, okay, so I don't render to God what is God's because there is no

00:08:54.060 God, but then actually I am God and so render to me. And I can do that because if might makes right,

00:09:00.820 If I have the power, if I'm the biggest male in the herd, if I'm the smartest, it's winner

00:09:06.200 take all.

00:09:07.200 There's no more Christian morality where you do to your neighbor as you'd have done by.

00:09:11.120 No, it's like all of that becomes fairy tale and it becomes, you know, dead by the wayside.

00:09:18.500 So let's move to the third one because there's another layer to this that we've already begun

00:09:21.940 to move into.

00:09:22.660 And we're going to talk about Freud a little bit more now and his utter sexual and perverse

00:09:27.840 psychological insanity.

00:09:28.920 and this is the the third entry in the confession not only is man good not only is man an animal

00:09:35.880 but man is fundamentally a sexual animal man is fundamentally a sexual animal this is what the

00:09:42.640 bloodhound gang was trying to say brian yeah exactly you you we're deeply shaped as a culture

00:09:49.300 by this idea that man is an animal but one thing you discover very quickly in our modern cultural

00:09:53.780 religious landscape is an utter obsession with sex. Everything is sex. Everything is sexualized.

00:10:04.300 I mean, so do you agree? Where do we see this? Where did this come from? Those are my questions.

00:10:10.840 Yeah, I think everything is sexualized. You can look at a lot of statistics, rates of porn use,

00:10:17.060 astronomical, everywhere you look online, even when you're trying to hide stuff, it's like you

00:10:22.620 can't help but be bombarded by sexual content. It's at the end of articles. It's on Facebook.

00:10:28.120 It's in Twitter. It's absolutely everywhere you look. The irony, and this is sort of like,

00:10:32.700 you know, jumping to the punchline, but the irony in all this for me is, as I counsel young men,

00:10:36.860 especially, we have greater levels of sexual impotence than ever in like 20 year olds. Yeah.

00:10:41.700 So it's actually doing something to us where we're obsessed with sex, but we've come to hate

00:10:46.700 sex. And I think it's sort of like in the book of Isaiah, Israel turns to her whore lover and

00:10:52.440 then immediately what happens is you detest your whore lover so it's like the idol you make of sex

00:10:57.900 you immediately begin to hate it because you realize that it's bondage and slavery yeah it

00:11:02.240 doesn't deliver it doesn't deliver it's absolutely horrible so now you have like even among married

00:11:07.300 people you have like people are having less sex than ever even though and i think it's because

00:11:11.700 we're trading on sex at every corner like and what i mean is advertising every ad is like this hyper

00:11:17.460 super sexualized this lip balm because of breasts yeah i mean you're watching like shampoo

00:11:22.720 commercials and it's like you know just like this erotic shower scene with an individual and you're

00:11:28.020 like i just want shampoo man why are they climaxing yeah i don't understand why this is happening

00:11:33.100 right like it's insane it is insane yeah axe body spray so yeah i i feel like it's it's just one of

00:11:40.020 those things that it's so steeped in the culture and in society like you're watching like little

00:11:44.520 kids disney and there's got to be sexual in you into it's it's absolutely everywhere yeah i think

00:11:49.000 that that's definitely been the case for quite a while now especially with the advent of screens

00:11:53.760 yeah of visual uh entertainment would be yeah you no longer have to chisel a naked person on a clay

00:12:00.880 tablet or whatever yeah it's like wow that's a hottie in marble right there you know took like

00:12:05.660 it took me six years and so if you had asked me this question 10 years ago i would probably have

00:12:11.820 a similar answer to what you had said, Eric, some crazy things have happened recently to where even

00:12:17.680 the person's identity, and I know this is kind of mixing our categories a little bit more, but the

00:12:21.960 person has to be identified with sex. It's not just an activity that you participate in and that

00:12:29.260 you enjoy. It is something that you actually have to be, like, is a part of your personhood. It's a

00:12:35.440 part of your identity. That's why, I mean, when DeSantis says, like, you know, teachers, you can't

00:12:41.380 talk to kids about sex. And the ages was like third grade and under. I'm like, what? What about

00:12:47.200 the older ones? And then I'm like, who's going to be mad about this? And teachers are like really

00:12:52.040 upset that they can't share their gay escapades with their kindergarten class. Their gay escapades.

00:12:57.600 Who says I'm gay? You are gay. They need approval for their identity that is associated with sex.

00:13:05.560 to me this is absolutely crazy yeah this is this is the move it's man is not just an animal but

00:13:11.920 man is an animal at the heart of which is sex the heart of what identifies you in your personhood

00:13:19.900 is sex and this idea i think you know we've already mentioned it but this really deeply

00:13:25.200 goes back to freud people don't understand i think the degree to which freud and his ideas

00:13:31.600 became mainstream and turned the public narrative towards this, right? A lot of Freud's ideas have

00:13:40.140 been, you know, no psychologist today is like, yeah, Freud was right about his basic psychological

00:13:45.500 theories. They pretty much don't agree with him. They've debunked his stuff. They're like,

00:13:50.160 he's not true. But the ideas nonetheless got into the mainstream pop culture zeitgeist and they're

00:13:57.100 absolutely durable. He basically, in his psychoanalysis, he summed up the entirety of

00:14:03.480 human fulfillment, the entirety of happiness, the entirety of human identity around sex,

00:14:09.740 even to the point where he basically said, this is what human fulfillment is, genital pleasure.

00:14:15.720 Let's talk about the stages that he came up with, the kids. Yeah, it's interesting. Even before you

00:14:21.740 jump into that it's interesting the early feminists actually betty fredan hated i mean she hated

00:14:27.800 sigmund freud oh yeah and it's interesting because sigmund freud was very misogynistic

00:14:33.020 and and we'll see i think as we unpack these why basically like a woman is like a sexual

00:14:38.420 object for male satisfaction yeah even his mother yeah even his mother your mother yeah so um what's

00:14:46.200 interesting and dovetailing into it dan you can unpack these more but um even things that we have

00:14:50.960 like uh oral fixation so when i remember being on a job site one time and i was always chewing

00:14:56.420 on a sucker or sunflower seeds and a guy said to me he goes oh you have an oral fixation

00:15:01.040 oh gosh what the heck is that's me stuff this is actually when dad was talking this is all i

00:15:07.780 could think about what's wrong with you people that's right it's rc sprawl what's wrong with

00:15:13.100 you people but yeah oral fixation uh the anal phase oh yeah so the phases of of human development

00:15:19.080 he defined as the oral phase, which is like breastfeeding the anal phase, which is when a

00:15:25.180 child or, you know, learns control, uh, in, in order to control bowel movements. And then it's

00:15:31.240 the phallic stage, which is typically in your teen years when there's a lot of, um, self-pleasure.

00:15:36.740 I don't know if there are kids listening. Yeah. Uh, and then the last stage, I can't remember

00:15:41.500 what he called it. It was at the genital, it was the genital pleasure stage, which is essentially

00:15:45.960 like you move from self-pleasure to desiring full-on relational you know intimacy with another

00:15:54.440 person you see all of this is like your whole existence as a human is defined by sexuality

00:15:59.540 well yeah so he even even infants he said had a sexual desire yeah they were saying they were

00:16:05.240 express and that was the point yeah breastfeeding was a sexual desire you were channeling your

00:16:10.300 sexual self through the mouth in the oral stage i'm actually jealous of my nursing son if that's

00:16:17.080 true yeah i'm gonna go like bear some of the ideas like a bear on him no i'm just kidding i'm not

00:16:23.340 some of the ideas that come from this like if that's true it it's what it's absurd i mean but

00:16:28.300 if that's true then fathers should feel like they're in competition sexually with their nursing

00:16:34.140 child that's the gayest thing i've i mean there is competition but not in that way it's more like

00:16:38.920 of time right it's it's not not leave my woman alone the interesting thing too is like even uh

00:16:45.900 carl young you see it j-u-n-g even carl young back then like he's you know pretty contemporary

00:16:51.360 to freud yeah was like this guy's a nut job oh yeah they were like no and then jung was like

00:16:56.380 and let me come up with even even nuttier view of the world with like the the uh what does he say

00:17:02.120 like the the collective unconscious that we all tap into he's more about like the archetypes and

00:17:07.840 stuff like that sorry jordan peterson yeah you see a lot in in jordan peterson one of the questions

00:17:12.740 i want to ask about this is um as it infiltrates into culture have you seen the church respond to

00:17:18.320 it in a positive way or do you think the church has been complicit in some of this what do you

00:17:23.860 mean in a positive way well like did they respond to it right like did they rise to the occasion yes

00:17:29.200 ah yeah or did they did they go along with it i think one of the the condemning facts that you

00:17:34.780 have is that the amount of pornography used there is in the church is that, you know, no,

00:17:40.860 we didn't really answer this question well, I think. And we kind of went along with it to where

00:17:46.740 you even see, like, you know, think about the way that this is actually all the way back to some of

00:17:51.740 our big, fast, and famous, and megachurchianity sort of stuff is that in a lot of ways, the church

00:17:57.680 adopted some of the marketing sexual playbook yes of this culture yes i i recall going to a

00:18:04.840 megachurch when i lived in the midwest and the um worship leader was like probably a nine lady

00:18:12.420 you know who was singing with smoke machines and lights like she was dressed i would say like in

00:18:18.040 a very inappropriately and then the pastor is like some like jacked you know good looking guy

00:18:25.180 He's always talking about his hot wife.

00:18:26.560 I don't know about that.

00:18:27.480 I only went once, and I was like, not for me.

00:18:29.680 These guys are always talking about, they're like, yeah, my hot wife.

00:18:32.700 Well, you can also look at the fruit that the church has produced.

00:18:36.400 How many stories have we heard from, and this is not empirical,

00:18:40.440 this is just our experience, but in youth group,

00:18:44.480 how many times have there been romantic dramas or issues in youth group

00:18:50.660 or within the church, like you said, the prevalent use of pornography,

00:18:54.920 but the fact is the fruit that the church is producing by allowing their kids to go to public

00:18:59.220 schools where they're highly sexualized. I mean, the things that I learned on the school bus,

00:19:04.300 anyway. Unbelievable. And there weren't even furries on your school bus. No, no. There are

00:19:09.960 now. There are now. Yes, there are. Not in Dan's school bus. Do you like furries? That's true. Dan

00:19:15.880 actually owns a school bus. I own a school bus. I'm sorry. I own a school bus. Yep. I'm not

00:19:20.180 accusing you of anything weird. That doesn't have a website. I've plugged everything, but that does

00:19:23.820 not have a website and i would say follow me on instagram but i hate instagram so right speaking

00:19:28.660 of sex yeah i mean instagram is basically like a sex cesspool for the project of this season to be

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00:20:38.960 Yeah, I was thinking as you guys were talking about this, not about Instagram and the rest of

00:20:43.760 that but i was thinking about you know did the church answer the question well well did the

00:20:49.320 sexuality that the church portrayed in the last hundred years was it powerful to combat this

00:20:55.560 and that's why i would say no no no in fact we followed feminism we followed you know so much

00:21:02.400 of the i was even thinking of like ed young jr i remember this is probably 10 years ago but he had

00:21:07.320 like a sermon series and he was on like you know good morning america because oh yeah i remember

00:21:11.740 this it was all about like you know sex in married couples but it was done like really kind of crass

00:21:17.000 and weird didn't he go on the roof of his church for a week in bed with his wife there's some

00:21:22.260 weirdness to it yeah that's what i mean like the marketing campaign was like they put their bed

00:21:26.700 on the roof of the church yeah you can you can even see this with like revoice or the gay movement

00:21:33.120 within the church even even just saying like i'll identify you as a gay christian as long as you

00:21:40.260 don't whatever made up, you know, boundaries that you're going to put into it, but inviting that

00:21:45.280 into the church. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think even in past culture, like in the 70s and

00:21:51.820 80s, you tended to see a lot of conservatives would say things like, well, what you do in your

00:21:56.620 bedroom, like, that's your sex act, but that's not like who you are, and I don't want to know about

00:22:01.920 it. It wasn't as much of like, we had this concept introduced that was gender identity.

00:22:07.040 Yep.

00:22:07.820 So this ties into it, too.

00:22:10.380 Beyond the sex stuff, though, I would say with Freud, it's like, okay, self-esteem, the whole self, you know, categories that we come up with.

00:22:18.200 I think that's why Rachel Jankovic had to write a book like You Who.

00:22:22.160 You Who, yeah.

00:22:23.080 Because that's dominant in women's circles.

00:22:25.440 Like, you go, girl.

00:22:26.760 Girl, wash your face.

00:22:28.200 Like, you're strong and sexy.

00:22:29.980 And it's just like, what is this?

00:22:31.860 Yeah.

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00:23:14.840 entries in the Statement of Faith, because they go together and they're the natural development

00:23:18.900 of what we're talking about. So we've got man is good, man is an animal, now man is a sexual animal,

00:23:25.280 so we're looking into ourselves for the ideal standard of good, our psychological selves,

00:23:30.660 which we now see are obsessively sexual selves. And now we get to number four, that this confession

00:23:37.200 of faith would confess that man's chief end is not to glorify God and to enjoy him forever,

00:23:43.020 like the Westminster Shorter Catechism would say, but that man's chief end is to discover

00:23:46.720 his inner psychological and sexual self and to express that inner psychological sexual self.

00:23:53.780 So man can't just be himself. It's not enough to just be yourself. You actually have to be

00:23:59.220 accepted as your authentic inner self and affirmed by society in that inner psychological and sexual

00:24:06.140 self. So our culture has basically, like you were talking about conservatives that say,

00:24:10.200 yeah, what you do in your bedroom is your business, whatever, so long as it doesn't hurt me.

00:24:14.400 You know, how is gay marriage going to hurt you, conservatives? Ha ha ha ha. Well, our culture

00:24:18.920 has utterly rejected this model of society where everyone can do their own thing so long as you

00:24:23.860 don't hurt anyone else. So that's not enough now. It's not enough to just say like, he can be gay

00:24:29.120 as long as I can be straight and Christian. You be you, I'll be me, whatever. No, you have to bake

00:24:35.220 the cake celebrating gayness. What happens if you keep acting like you're living in a culture?

00:24:41.140 This is my question. What happens if you keep acting like you're living in a culture that is

00:24:46.400 fine with letting bygones be bygones rather than a culture we actually live in where you must go

00:24:52.340 beyond that from tolerance into celebration and acceptance? Yeah, that's a really interesting

00:24:58.880 question. And I think Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged, that was one of the core themes in her book.

00:25:04.340 And granted, that book has massive problems. I got to the end, I was so disappointed. Anyway,

00:25:08.960 that's a different conversation for a different day. Also long.

00:25:12.280 Also a long book. I like the long books. Anyway, so one of the themes in the book is that you have

00:25:18.100 these, like Hank Reardon is this steel mogul. He makes this new steel. It's called Reardon Metal.

00:25:25.720 and it's better than steel in every way whatever so he makes this steel and and it's not fair that

00:25:32.820 he's not sharing it's a winner take all he has this more conservative mentality and he won't

00:25:39.780 conform to the ideals of society which is essentially that it isn't fair that you're

00:25:45.920 winning yeah right and so you need to share with everybody and so he said no essentially he said no

00:25:53.060 And there are a few characters that do this, and his advice is don't capitulate, don't accept their terms, even for a moment, because they don't want you to just do the thing.

00:26:05.080 They don't want you to just make the cake.

00:26:06.960 They want you to love making the cake for the gays.

00:26:10.040 That's right.

00:26:10.560 And they will make you do it any way they can, through coercion, through force.

00:26:15.820 I'll destroy you.

00:26:16.580 Even with guns.

00:26:17.600 Again, after hours, we're going to talk about this.

00:26:20.560 So I'll push that again.

00:26:21.880 but that is they want you to actually love the things that they love they want you to do the

00:26:27.360 things with zeal yeah and i would even say on a pragmatic side of things dan is it's so much

00:26:33.480 easier if we push back now like if the problem now is we've been playing this game for 20 years

00:26:38.520 with the lgbt crowd yes and i think a lot of people thought well you know like you remember

00:26:43.420 the military for a long time when i was a kid it was bill clinton and don't ask don't tell yeah

00:26:47.160 just don't ask don't tell you can be gay but just don't tell anybody yeah it's it's no big deal do

00:26:50.780 your thing don't don't make it a big deal and there were a lot of people were like you know

00:26:54.800 who said to like doug wilson no you're playing the slippery slope fallacy well doug was right

00:26:59.320 and and here we are today so i think that's number one i would say is okay practically

00:27:04.100 you have to push back against this stuff we know the trajectory now where all of this is going um

00:27:09.660 but the other thing is i think that what's happened is a lot of people have learned how to trade on

00:27:13.800 their sexual identities meaning like you actually have more cultural capital this is why you have

00:27:18.780 like 12 year olds who are like i'm a bisexual because even a kid who doesn't know anything

00:27:23.780 about sex has figured out that okay well if i say that i'm a bisexual and i'm transgender

00:27:29.820 immediately i'll get special treatment right people pay attention so i move up the rung of

00:27:35.240 cultural capital like i'm more important i have a little bit more power whatever whereas if you

00:27:41.060 know if you go to school today and you're like i'm a cisgendered heterosexual male people are

00:27:45.020 like pig. Social credit deducted. Yeah, that's right. It's not that both sides can equally just

00:27:53.400 be themselves. It's that as a Christian, you are actually affirming something that if it were true

00:27:58.980 would mean that they are an abomination. Yes. They can't coexist. This neutral world idea is

00:28:06.620 a total lie. We live in a negative world where you have a culture where unless you will move

00:28:13.440 past mere toleration into celebration, then you are actively hating them. Why? Because you are

00:28:19.740 denying what is at the heart of their personhood. Well, can I ask a question then? Yeah. If that's

00:28:25.020 true, does it alarm you that so many pastors, Christian pastors with huge platforms are loved

00:28:31.000 by the New York Times? Absolutely. When you can get to a point like J.D. Greer, where you start

00:28:39.080 to say things from the pulpit, like you've mentioned before, the Bible whispers about

00:28:43.100 sexual sin, but it shouts about, what did he say, religious hypocrisy

00:28:47.200 or something? I can't remember. Yeah. Or even this week, Tim Keller wrote an op-ed in the

00:28:51.020 New York Times that they ran about how Christians should engage the culture.

00:28:55.500 And I'm thinking to myself, if you're a faithful Christian

00:28:58.680 in this cultural context, like if Brian, if you turned in your article for the

00:29:03.100 New York Times, they would burn it. Yeah. When the enemy is posting

00:29:07.100 like yeah we'll accept that playbook oh you know i mean that damn shouldn't that concern us

00:29:13.000 yeah yeah i mean it it would be it would be like the denver broncos giving the green bay packers

00:29:18.200 their playbook and the packers are like oh yeah i believe this absolutely it's a great book yeah

00:29:22.860 it's a great play they're like please play like this yeah play like this we will beat you we

00:29:26.240 accept this this is amazing yeah that's a really good illustration yeah you're like hey uh this is

00:29:31.860 our game plan and they're like oh we can beat that we love that we can beat this actually we're

00:29:35.480 You're going to tell everybody that's your game plan.

00:29:37.040 Yeah, that's right.

00:29:37.540 That's right.

00:29:38.020 We're going to put this guy in a QB, and they're like, oh, yes, please do.

00:29:42.240 Tim Keller's our quarterback.

00:29:43.900 Oh, yeah, we love that.

00:29:45.200 We love that guy.

00:29:46.060 He's got ballerinas in communion.

00:29:47.980 Oh, he does.

00:29:48.780 He's got male ballerinas in tights doing communion dancing.

00:29:51.860 That's so funny.

00:29:53.020 Oh, because David danced before the Lord, Dan.

00:29:55.080 Yeah, Tim would actually, he's espoused for a long time,

00:29:57.700 like using gays and homosexuals to lead in worship.

00:30:01.280 Is that where Bethel came from?

00:30:02.800 I'm sorry.

00:30:04.080 We'll cut that out.

00:30:05.480 Oh, man.

00:30:06.580 No, we won't.

00:30:07.740 No, we won't.

00:30:08.720 We never do.

00:30:09.480 We're not cutting it out.

00:30:10.220 So we're talking about this move in the confession of faith of these demonic ideologies that has successfully catechized the culture to believe that the most important thing about themselves is their sexual identity.

00:30:25.140 That's at the center of what they are.

00:30:26.760 And their chief end, the thing that they need to be able to do above all else, is to express that sexual inner self to the world.

00:30:34.360 Well, and be accepted by it.

00:30:36.240 And to be loved and adored and worshipped.

00:30:39.060 Worshipped.

00:30:39.580 And to be worshipped.

00:30:40.740 Yes.

00:30:40.960 This is why, and what's funny is, a lot of how this is working out culturally is unprecedented.

00:30:46.680 Like, let's be honest about that.

00:30:47.860 The way that the industrial and technological and information revolutions have changed screens, like you mentioned.

00:30:54.300 But at the same time, go back 2,500 years.

00:30:57.440 Go back 3,000 years.

00:30:58.440 What do you find?

00:30:59.560 You find fertility cults.

00:31:01.060 You find little clay idol gods that have 16 breasts, and they're like some highly sexualized

00:31:08.400 woman. It is extremely tempting. As soon as you dethrone God as God and man as image bearer of

00:31:14.580 God, one of the most tempting things to make an idol is human sexuality, because it's so powerful.

00:31:21.520 You get more people. We reproduce through sexuality. You can literally replicate yourself

00:31:26.360 with this act. It is pleasurable in a concentrated way. Your entire biological development seems to

00:31:34.240 be, as apparently, pointed at bringing you to sexual maturity. You could see how this would

00:31:40.440 be powerful, but what's happened today is that we've created this potent narcotic,

00:31:46.020 spiritually potent narcotic, where you combine that ancient fertility cult ideas, which is not

00:31:51.040 new with the unprecedented ability to self-expression, immediate self-expression in social

00:31:58.200 media and, you know, all of the cultural technological changes that have happened.

00:32:03.200 So, I mean, do you guys see, like, why is this moment so much in, like, that has become

00:32:10.260 so intensified, that ancient sex worship has become intensified?

00:32:15.140 Is that what's underneath it?

00:32:16.180 Is it technology?

00:32:17.340 Is it some of these other ideas?

00:32:19.400 What do you guys think about that?

00:32:20.420 Yeah. I think at the heart of it, you see such an erosion of Western culture that it's almost

00:32:24.420 pre-Western in some ways. That's why you're seeing like fertility cults, but it's not a really a

00:32:30.920 fertility cult. It's more of like the Molech cult, you know, sexual deviance. So it's like

00:32:36.160 things like that. It's yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the only way I can think about it. I'm sure

00:32:42.180 somebody else has greater insights on that, but it almost reminds me of like, as I'm almost done

00:32:48.280 with the book that Herodotus wrote, Histories. It reminds me of a lot of those ancient Greek

00:32:54.400 societies, like a lot of the things that they did where there is just absolutely heinous and wicked

00:33:00.840 things that people are doing and celebrating. And so it almost smells to me like pre or like a

00:33:07.380 post-Western, pre-Western, a non-Christian influenced people. Interesting. And even in

00:33:14.680 carl truman's book he talks about certain cultures being a first world second world third world

00:33:20.080 culture reef isn't it the the the writing of yeah i can't remember what came up with that term yeah

00:33:25.780 i can't remember the reference but essentially you have this first world culture that is ruled by

00:33:30.200 the metaphysical a a god with the laws and the priests over this this divine being with the

00:33:38.420 sacred texts a second world culture being those that are removed from that but are still strongly

00:33:44.560 influenced by it, where social norms are still constructed around the metaphysical. And then

00:33:50.200 you have a third world culture where it is completely denied the metaphysical in that way.

00:33:56.500 And so the third world culture is incompatible with the first and second world because the

00:34:02.840 foundations of how they reason and the foundations of truth, what is true, what is good and beautiful

00:34:07.700 is completely debased. It is completely different. I thought that was a really apt description in his

00:34:14.440 book that we're actually living in a third world culture. That's why it's impossible to have

00:34:19.380 conversations with these people because they are completely unmoored from the metaphysical,

00:34:25.780 from the God who created us. And so we're operating on a different presupposition. I mean,

00:34:32.600 that is like radically different. And so that's why I say almost like a pre-Western society,

00:34:38.160 like it's just pagans, not influenced by Christianity, but in some ways it's almost

00:34:42.980 worse because it's also reactionary to the past, where the past is something that needs to be

00:34:48.820 shut off. And you'll end up, I think, one of the interesting points, I looked it up,

00:34:52.980 American sociologist Philip Reif, Truman in his book talks about this. First worlds are pagan

00:34:58.540 worlds. Moral codes are based on myths. Second worlds are based on their faith in God, monotheistic

00:35:03.980 Christian God. And then the third world, they don't root their moral morality or code in anything

00:35:09.860 sacred it's only your it's all self-referential it's my my and so what's interesting though and

00:35:14.880 i hadn't thought about it until you said this it seems like when because philip reef calls that

00:35:19.900 third world a death work or an anti-culture yeah you're right yeah an anti-culture because what it

00:35:26.160 does is it actually can't create anything because it's self-referential it's just masturbatory it's

00:35:31.300 circular it's relativistic it's ultimately i was avoiding using that word earlier by the way yeah

00:35:35.960 right circular so yeah that one yeah circular so but what's interesting is that and i think we're

00:35:41.760 seeing this shift is that the third world where event will eventually kill itself and lead back

00:35:46.220 to the first world to where you'll end up with a rise of new pagan gods because i mean you can't

00:35:51.800 you'll end up deifying homo adorans you'll end up worshiping something and deifying something

00:35:56.640 and what they're doing is they're just bringing back molek they're just bringing back ashtoreth

00:36:01.720 I mean, what is Freud but a big Asherah pole?

00:36:05.780 Asherah poles were like penis-shaped.

00:36:07.780 That's a big phallus.

00:36:08.740 Big phallic symbols that they would worship as fertility gods.

00:36:11.520 What is Freud but really dressed up intellectual, pseudo-intellectual, I would say?

00:36:17.340 Asherah poles.

00:36:18.540 Yeah, it really is true.

00:36:19.040 Everything is a penis.

00:36:21.020 It reminds me even of the G.K. Chesterton quote, right?

00:36:23.880 Wherever there is animal worship, there will be human sacrifice.

00:36:27.800 Again, you're not creating anything new in your worship.

00:36:30.920 Yeah.

00:36:31.720 You're just repeating old patterns.

00:36:34.300 And I think it's wise for Christians, too, to look at this state and say, look, okay, first of all, the culture has become what they worshipped.

00:36:40.060 Yep.

00:36:40.360 You wanted to be this animal-like, beast-like, sex-crazed thing, and that's what you became.

00:36:45.620 They gave their amen.

00:36:47.240 Yeah, and so that's what they became.

00:36:49.280 But I think for Christians, this is where we go wrong, I think, is we look at all of that, and then we say, okay, so the world is damned.

00:36:54.800 Let's pray for Christ to come back at any minute.

00:36:56.640 And really what we should be looking at is like a farmer and going like, yeah, the forest just burned, but I'm telling you in five minutes, it's going to be the most lush, fertile hillside on the planet.

00:37:07.300 Yes.

00:37:08.200 Christendom grew out of the fertile decomposition of the Roman Empire.

00:37:12.460 And we're truly not, you read history, we are not worse than it's ever been.

00:37:16.180 No, no.

00:37:18.000 We're technologically advanced.

00:37:19.600 We have big populations, but we're the same.

00:37:21.640 We're the same.

00:37:22.480 Adding another layer to this, another wrinkle to this.

00:37:24.380 if you believe all this, if you adopt these first four statements of faith, man's chief end then is

00:37:30.260 to discover his inner psychological sexual self and then express it, and everyone must worship me

00:37:35.560 and receive me and accept me and celebrate me. Well, then inevitably you'll end up confessing

00:37:40.560 the fifth thing, which is that man's problems are medical and psychological. You see, we're

00:37:46.760 starting to come full circle, right? Like, oh, man's problems are societal. Well, like in Rousseau,

00:37:52.700 man is basically good, so it must be society's fault. Well, then as we get into man as this

00:37:56.860 sexual, psychological animal, it's like, well, then where are your problems going to come from?

00:38:01.940 Sure, we'll talk about society and Marx and some of those, you know, ideas that flourished as well,

00:38:07.260 statism. But you also say, and I think you see this in transgenderism, you see this in a lot of

00:38:11.440 these death work cultures, is that man's problem basically then can be solved through therapy

00:38:16.900 and medical technology and technology in general yeah i think man so have we made an idol of

00:38:23.600 medicine oh right the cult of fauci the cult of everything that happened in the last couple years

00:38:29.560 i think it wasn't that we didn't have medical idolatry beforehand it was that that was the

00:38:34.560 exposing apocalypse yeah but you look back on it and man to this day like the number of lies that

00:38:40.220 were told the number of lies that were whitewashed under well but experts now say and i think

00:38:46.560 really what it was realizing is that we've been led astray by the god of i mean think about how

00:38:51.160 many antidepressants i was reading this uh this week and you're talking about okay why is there

00:38:56.080 so much estrogen in the water and it's because we're flushing the pill and the pill is in our

00:39:00.760 urine like the birth control pill and so it's contaminating the water and i i tweeted this

00:39:05.200 earlier but i said it's it's like moses and the gold right he grinds it up puts it the water and

00:39:10.980 he says you're going to drink the judgment of god you want to make an idol you drink it he makes

00:39:14.980 them drink their God and pee it out. You know what's crazy is here we are, literally here we

00:39:20.620 are, and God is judging America by saying, you want to control your fertility through these

00:39:26.040 synthetic hormones? Really? Go ahead. You want to do that? Why don't you drink the judgment?

00:39:30.460 Eric, this was one of your greatest tweets of all time. Thank you. I hit the retweet so hard.

00:39:36.000 And so like I saw it and I was like, retweet. I want my followers to see this. Cause it was like,

00:39:41.260 it just and i was preparing the outline for this episode yes when you tweeted we're on the same

00:39:45.400 wavelength and i wrote down for a while eric's tweet and then i ended up working it in and here's

00:39:49.660 the interesting thing so just like in covid what was the immediate thing that happened on my tweet

00:39:54.660 thread well that article is not by a trusted expert and i was like are you kidding are you

00:39:59.420 kidding like you pound sand you think i care what the trusted experts have to say it's like the meme

00:40:05.060 do you have any research on that and it's the chad guy and he's like i made it up

00:40:09.020 because this this is true too like when you see medicine is like okay our prop we're animals and

00:40:17.040 so we have physical problems we're psychological creatures we're this inner self this inner

00:40:22.320 psychological sexual self and so we have therapeutic problems that we need the answer

00:40:26.560 to and all of a sudden the savior the messiah does become medicine it becomes transhumanism

00:40:32.800 chemical transhumanism in what is the birth control pill but chemical transhumanism it's

00:40:37.740 It's improving and transcending your physical limitations with chemical alteration.

00:40:43.700 It's just Elon Musk's Neuralink, but in a pill form.

00:40:46.840 Chemical castration.

00:40:47.920 Yeah, there are some eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there were some eunuchs who were born eunuchs, and there were some eunuchs that popped a pill.

00:40:56.040 It's like, this is such a perfect illustration of the way that this death work pagan culture of ours fundamentally believes that it doesn't believe sin is the problem.

00:41:06.680 It believes that medical problems are the problem.

00:41:09.280 And now I can use technology and I can make my outer self match that inner self.

00:41:14.640 It sort of reminds me, Dan, maybe to use a blue collar analogy here because that's sort of how my mind works sometimes.

00:41:22.120 But a lot of times when you create a problem, when you try to fix a problem with something else, right?

00:41:26.800 My brother says fix it till it's broke.

00:41:29.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:29.880 Fix it till it's broke.

00:41:30.740 And he does.

00:41:31.580 He does.

00:41:31.980 But you carry this into the medical.

00:41:33.960 And so what we've done is we've created a problem.

00:41:36.220 like the pill we create a problem and then we got to introduce a new drug to create the problem

00:41:41.260 but again to brian's point it's all about this like well the real issue is your chemical imbalance

00:41:45.960 oh yeah it's not your habits it's not your lack of discipline it's not the fact you're a glutton

00:41:50.540 it's not the fact that you're cheating on your wife it's not the fact that you're lazy at work

00:41:54.560 yeah or you have no meaningful mission in your life no it's just a chemical imbalance so we'll

00:41:58.880 give you another chemical to straighten out the imbalance by the way jordan peterson good example

00:42:04.160 that chemical that we gave you might drive you crazy

00:42:06.400 and make you want to kill yourself.

00:42:07.920 SSRIs, yes.

00:42:09.020 And transgenderism, another perfect example.

00:42:11.400 We've created a problem through our idolatry

00:42:13.920 of believing that this intersexual self

00:42:16.320 is like the sum of who I am.

00:42:18.180 And then, of course, you're just going to...

00:42:20.020 Like, when a 10-year-old first discovers pornography,

00:42:23.620 a topless woman gives him, like, a high.

00:42:26.620 But then he has to keep looking for increasingly

00:42:28.420 hardcore, hardcore, more hardcore,

00:42:30.460 crazier, more perverted,

00:42:31.720 until pretty soon you've got 14 year olds who are watching bestiality pornography. Like this is a

00:42:36.740 real thing. And it's the same thing with this sexual self. Well, we started with like Playboy

00:42:41.820 and Hugh Hefner and pornography culture. And now 30, 40, 50, 60 years down the road, what are we

00:42:47.500 doing? We're chopping people's genitalia off and we're trying to medically transmogrify them into

00:42:52.220 some fake, crazy, queened gender, fake version of themselves with our medical technology and

00:42:59.840 chemical intervention it's like the nazi medical experiments but just mainstreamed and on cnn we

00:43:05.960 just make those look like child's play oh yeah we're like oh you you mangela you thought you

00:43:10.280 could mangle people well just just watch we'll do it to 12 year olds what's what's interesting to

00:43:15.140 me and and i don't want to go too far down the rabbit we're so kicked off of apple pocket we're

00:43:18.860 so i mean like but but even things like the way that judgment comes around on this dan where it's

00:43:23.560 like you know we take the pill we think we're so smart this is really great oh it's really weird

00:43:28.520 when all of our women are dying of breast cancer all of a sudden.

00:43:31.160 Yeah, or you can't have kids.

00:43:32.700 Yeah, you can't have kids.

00:43:33.560 We were talking about this in the masculinity space.

00:43:36.180 Somebody pointed this out.

00:43:37.160 It's not in a lot of the literature,

00:43:38.840 but like TRT, testosterone replacement therapy,

00:43:41.380 they were like, oh, yeah, by the way, it makes you sterile.

00:43:43.640 Wow.

00:43:44.100 Yeah, it makes you almost completely sterile.

00:43:46.500 Unbelievable.

00:43:47.240 So it's like, okay,

00:43:48.580 can we just stop with injecting yourself with things that are synthetic?

00:43:53.240 Or like the mother on, it was on Reddit or something.

00:43:56.020 I think it went around Twitter.

00:43:56.880 the mother was talking about the uh they were talking about basically i did everything right

00:44:00.920 with my trans son or my yeah it was really a daughter that he was transforming or it was a

00:44:05.820 son he was trying to transform into a daughter it's like we gave him the hormone blockers

00:44:09.460 and now he's 18 and we want to give him the full transition bottom surgery as they call it where

00:44:14.400 they cut his penis off and make a fake vagina sorry parents if you had kids in the room yeah

00:44:18.520 it's okay they're gonna you're gonna want to instruct your kids on these things anyway so

00:44:23.040 Good opportunity.

00:44:23.960 Yeah, good opportunity.

00:44:24.480 Disney's doing it anyway.

00:44:25.700 But he was like, oh, because of the chemical castration, that's not how they put it.

00:44:29.200 He has a micropenis and no sexual desire whatsoever.

00:44:31.980 Because they interrupted his puberty, they permanently deferred it so that now they can't even make a fake female genital system or whatever.

00:44:42.380 Because usually they use the sensory, the pleasure sensors of the man's penis to make the fake vagina.

00:44:48.680 So this adult man is now permanently disfigured, has permanently, it's a perfect example of

00:44:56.920 judgment. Claiming to be wise, they became fools. In search of the perfect expression

00:45:01.080 of their intersexual self, they made all sexual expression impossible. They made this person a

00:45:05.540 eunuch. They made them asexual. So now they can't even have sexual desires because they have

00:45:11.740 completely chemically destroyed them. This is why, you guys, when we're talking about Christendom

00:45:17.180 and the mission of God and bringing the gospel of the kingdom of God into conflict with this

00:45:23.040 culture of death. This is not just like side issue culture warring. It makes me so angry

00:45:28.660 when these radical two kingdoms guys are like, oh yeah, the gay stuff, that's all cultural. Quit

00:45:33.860 your culture warring. I'm like, they are destroying God's image bearers and they are worshiping

00:45:39.360 demons and enslaved. Well, not only that, but it's also infiltrated the church.

00:45:43.720 yeah because then it so i'll start really mild if you were to say like christians you need to have

00:45:49.480 kids you should have a lot of kids you should have kids and then you get people that are like whoa

00:45:53.820 hold on hold on a minute you know you shouldn't be that's legalism yeah you shouldn't be telling

00:45:58.600 how many you know people have how many kids and whatever and i'm like okay all right yeah uh there

00:46:03.820 is a line there somewhere but no you should have kids don't despise the blessing uh it's just

00:46:09.240 insane to me, like to not want to have children, you know, to not actually bear fruit. Yeah. Other

00:46:14.700 places that this has infiltrated the church, unless you had something more on that. Well,

00:46:18.260 I was going to say, it's a perfect example of how in search of fulfillment, they actually cut

00:46:23.520 themselves off from blessing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. One of the, one of the discussions that I frequently

00:46:28.240 have with younger couples that are talking about having children, you know, they say, I don't know

00:46:32.400 if we should have kids or not, we should wait or whatever. And one of the things that I bring up

00:46:36.060 amongst a whole lot of other things, just for the sake of brevity, is that one of the

00:46:40.260 most severe curses that God gives is to cut off someone's line. He will say, I'm going to judge

00:46:46.300 you. I'm going to curse you. I am killing you and your descendants. You're done. They're all dead.

00:46:51.800 There will be no more Edomites.

00:46:53.340 There are no more. They're gone. And you do that to yourself. You are cursing yourself with one

00:46:59.480 of the greatest curses that God has in his tool belt, is to end your line. And so that's what

00:47:05.600 chemical castration does. That's what Christians are doing with intentional childlessness. That's

00:47:10.540 what they're doing when you actually take birth control pills and you make the womb an inhospitable

00:47:15.880 place for a baby to grow. It's an abortifacient. It can cause abortions. Anyway, so it should be

00:47:22.320 no surprise that women that take birth control pills for a long, long, long time, and then when

00:47:27.260 they're 40, they want to have a kid, they can't. So it shouldn't surprise us. It's really interesting,

00:47:32.760 and this is a discussion that goes on in the reform camp quite a bit,

00:47:36.360 but how do we evaluate technology?

00:47:38.340 And medicine is a form, I think, of technology.

00:47:41.080 One of the problems is, and pietism has brought this about,

00:47:44.440 well, all technology is good, so embrace it all equally,

00:47:47.400 and everything it does is good, and it makes life easier and better and whatever.

00:47:51.440 But it relates to something.

00:47:52.580 We were in Huntsville, Alabama.

00:47:54.740 We were at the Saturn V Rocket Center,

00:47:57.200 and Wernher von Braun was a German who grew up in all this German Nazi craziness

00:48:01.060 about medical experimentation.

00:48:02.760 and World War II, fled, came here,

00:48:05.980 and you're in the rocket center,

00:48:08.300 and they have these quotes on the wall,

00:48:10.100 and it's Wernher von Braun, and he says,

00:48:12.260 man will be able to reach outer space,

00:48:14.240 and in ascending into space, he will ascend God himself.

00:48:17.800 Wow.

00:48:18.420 I immediately thought, well, Babel.

00:48:20.480 Yep.

00:48:20.900 This is the Tower of Babel.

00:48:22.240 So I think one of the things that we have to bake

00:48:24.280 into our principles of how we handle technology,

00:48:26.620 we evaluate medicine, we've got to realize

00:48:29.060 that a lot of these things were created

00:48:30.860 so that man could be babelic.

00:48:32.760 so that he could transcend the limits that God placed on him.

00:48:36.360 And those limits were actually things that were for your good.

00:48:38.560 Like a woman, her hormones and her cycle and all those things

00:48:41.920 are a gift given to her for procreation.

00:48:44.580 Yeah, and they're like a marker for whole body health.

00:48:48.740 Yes, and when you screw with those.

00:48:50.540 And so it's just interesting to me that like,

00:48:52.880 how many pastors do you know that would even talk about hormones?

00:48:56.200 But now you've got like men and women who are hormonal train wrecks.

00:48:59.740 And we don't, as a church, like if we're going to rebuild Christendom, we've got to have principles to evaluate medicine, health, etc., psychology, all of it.

00:49:07.880 Yeah, you have, I think, and it's interesting, you talk about technology, Christians evaluating technology.

00:49:12.560 It's important for Christians to realize how much of the modern medical industry is related to this self-deification and like the desire to completely control our identity through what is essentially alchemy, chemical alchemy, witchcraft, magic, all of these kind of things.

00:49:29.480 Better living through chemistry. Same thing. Most of our actual medical advance took place

00:49:34.940 over a hundred years ago in sanitation and surgery. We've had medical advance in surgical

00:49:39.020 strategies and in sanitation and things like that and antibiotics, really basic stuff that

00:49:44.280 keep people from dying from stuff people just die really easily from in history. But a lot of our

00:49:48.520 so-called medical advances since then in the last 50 years are absolute farces. They're just

00:49:53.820 creating problems through our modern lifestyles that are a result of our psychological evolutionary

00:49:59.140 selves. Ten years after they were introduced, most of them were proved to be false. False and kill

00:50:04.220 you. Yeah, more harmful than beneficial. Right. Iatrogenics is a real thing, which is that the

00:50:09.000 medical industry actually ends up killing you by its interventions that were unnecessary. But a lot

00:50:14.020 of our problems are actually the result of this worship, believing this creed about man as

00:50:18.700 psychological animal, sexual animal, killing ourselves in our lifestyles, killing ourselves

00:50:24.240 and how we eat and the world that we've made in chemical intervention. And all of a sudden,

00:50:29.160 cancers are exploding and autism is exploding and all these things are exploding. And then we

00:50:34.060 intervene with more chemicals to treat symptoms that suppress symptoms, but don't actually address

00:50:38.440 root causes. And so what we're doing is we're creating, we're actually poisoning ourselves

00:50:43.440 in attempts to make ourselves gods. We need to move on, but do you guys have any response to that?

00:50:48.820 So I'll just say one principle that has been helpful for me is if something hasn't been

00:50:52.480 around for a thousand years be highly suspicious yeah be highly suspicious it's not to say old

00:50:57.240 things are better necessarily it's just there have more time to work out and see the fruit of them

00:51:01.420 was there something you wanted to mention yeah i was actually just going to say we've been talking

00:51:05.100 about this uh my wife's grandmother was your great grandma not even knowing it she she lived

00:51:10.100 sort of like the weston a price life yeah without there was she didn't have a label for it grew up

00:51:14.560 on a farm they ate wild produce and she had a garden and she like hated doctors and the medical

00:51:20.060 establishment and she was i think 103 and her son put her in a nursing home she was in pretty

00:51:26.160 good health put her in a nursing home she died within like four months wow nursing homes is where

00:51:31.160 people go yeah it's like we're tired of you go die listen to the bright hearth podcast deathbed

00:51:36.080 hospitality yes exactly but but it made me think like okay compare that to what the medical

00:51:41.620 establishment is probably promising today yeah and it's really not i mean it's that is a way

00:51:46.540 better picture of what health and what, you know, God's creation and the things we've been given and

00:51:51.120 all of that. So it's like, I would just ask people to genuinely question. It's so ingrained in our

00:51:56.100 psyches that this is how life is. Is life really better? Because there's this idea that medicine

00:52:01.020 and technology brought unending progress, but like people are more miserable now than ever.

00:52:05.560 Yeah. Over-medication, this clinical identification with certain diseases or failures of your

00:52:12.200 physicality and your mental wellbeing and things like that as a pastor. Let me just, this is the,

00:52:17.180 it's, I was thinking about it, this whole conversation. And I think it is the most

00:52:20.640 frustrating thing in ministry when you're doing counseling is to have someone start rattling off

00:52:26.040 all of the diagnoses, diagnoses that they've received for all of the things that are wrong

00:52:31.500 with them. Like what? All the therapeutic. Yeah. All the therapeutic issues. I have OCD,

00:52:35.920 ACDC. I've got, you know, I've got the, the Leonard Skinner. I've got obsessive compulsive.

00:52:40.800 I have this, I have that. And really it boils down to, there's usually a root sin that's

00:52:47.020 identifiable to everyone except for the person because they can shrug it off.

00:52:51.540 I've had that in counseling too, Dan. One lady asked me, she said, is my husband a narcissist?

00:52:56.040 You know, cause she'd been to one shrink and they said, this is what narcissism is. I said, well,

00:53:00.440 if you look at the definition of narcissism, that's just like selfishness, like just like

00:53:04.140 run of the mill selfishness. Well, he's a narcissist because he only thinks about himself

00:53:08.320 and he doesn't think about me and I should get rid of him because he's some sort of like

00:53:12.440 psychopath. Yeah. Alcoholism. You don't know you're drunk. You know, it's like there's all

00:53:17.720 sorts of different therapeutic medicalized world. That's right. Right. Let's add another layer here

00:53:21.560 because if you take everything else and you, you, you basically put it into its distilled essence,

00:53:27.500 you end up with, so we were talking about individual people expressing their sexual

00:53:31.620 selves and their psychological selves. But what you end up with is actually number six,

00:53:35.800 the confession of our current Western idolatrous world is that the state is God, that man's

00:53:42.080 problems are economic and political, that therefore the solutions to his problems will

00:53:47.960 be solutions that come through deified man, through the state and economic solutions.

00:53:53.260 So we've got, and really this goes along with the last ones, we've got medical and interventional,

00:53:57.160 medical and psychological intervention, therapeutic world, and then you add to that,

00:54:01.400 well, man's problems, again, they're not my fault. They're not because I don't worship

00:54:04.300 of the true and living God, and so I'm becoming like the idols I worship. No, it's actually that

00:54:08.180 I'm being oppressed, and we're coming full circle back to Rousseau now. Man's problems are economic.

00:54:15.320 And the state is going to alleviate all of them.

00:54:16.700 And the state's going to alleviate all of them. So, I mean, we've got Marx and Nietzsche again

00:54:21.460 coming into play at this point. Marx, that class struggle is the problem. Economics are the problem.

00:54:28.160 The oppression of the ruling class is the problem. Nietzsche, that life is a power struggle,

00:54:33.640 that we must overcome by rising up, transcending our nature and becoming the ubermensch, the

00:54:39.120 overman. These are old ideas that are working themselves out. But really fundamentally,

00:54:44.340 I think what you have, and this is from Joe Boot's Mission of God, his book, The Mission of God,

00:54:48.100 he has a great section on how this happened. And his assertion is basically that there are

00:54:53.660 only two options. There is Christianity, and particularly he points to the Christianity

00:54:58.280 that is affirmed at the Council of Chalcedon in 451. You either have Chalcedonian Christianity

00:55:03.340 or you end up with deified humanity expressed in statism.

00:55:08.320 So do you guys see the link there?

00:55:10.160 Do you see how those work together?

00:55:11.680 How are those things connected?

00:55:13.300 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:55:14.400 First of all, Brian, as you were saying all that,

00:55:15.820 I was recalling a story R.C. Sproul told quite a while ago,

00:55:20.540 but he said just before Francis Schaeffer died,

00:55:22.580 he was sharing a cab with Francis Schaeffer.

00:55:24.880 And he said, Francis, I just got to ask you the question,

00:55:28.040 what is the greatest calamity?

00:55:29.820 What is the greatest thing facing the church today?

00:55:33.340 And he said it kind of surprised me because Francis Schaeffer, without skipping a beat, didn't wait a second.

00:55:38.400 He said statism.

00:55:39.720 So he was clearly aware that, like, Francis Schaeffer did a lot of work against evolution and all these things.

00:55:45.960 But I think that he understood that the apex of all of it is the control of a babelic, you know, God state.

00:55:52.140 Right.

00:55:52.620 That brings you to this point.

00:55:54.200 I'm interested, Brian.

00:55:55.260 I actually, it's been a while since I read The Mission of God.

00:55:57.840 I was actually going to ask you to unpack, like, what is Chalcedonian Christianity?

00:56:01.760 Sure, yeah.

00:56:02.260 Yeah, and this is not me again.

00:56:04.900 This is Joe Bootcamp, brilliant, brilliant guy.

00:56:06.820 Brilliant book.

00:56:07.160 I would highly recommend this book.

00:56:08.780 He pointed out that Chalcedon 451,

00:56:10.780 okay, Council of Chalcedon,

00:56:12.120 like much of the work of Christian theology

00:56:14.380 through history was, you know,

00:56:16.580 took place because of controversy

00:56:18.080 where false teachers had come into the church

00:56:20.540 and they were affirming,

00:56:21.700 well, no, let's rethink the doctrine of Christ.

00:56:24.100 Let's rethink the doctrine of man.

00:56:26.100 And there were teachers who were fiddling

00:56:28.640 with basically the question of,

00:56:31.280 Is Christ God and man, or is Christ like Apollinarianism or Arianism or some of these other heresies where you have, you know, like, for example, Apollinarianism is that essentially you have this human body, but his mind is really the divine mind that comes and inhabits the human body.

00:56:50.140 Various stripes of Trinitarian and Christological heresy.

00:56:53.640 Chalcedon affirmed against that.

00:56:54.720 They read the scriptures and they went back and they said, no, this is what the church has always affirmed.

00:56:58.800 They didn't invent it then.

00:56:59.820 This is what the church has always affirmed. Christ is truly God and truly man. He is God

00:57:06.700 with a truly human nature added. And so he has a human mind, like the Westminster Shorter

00:57:12.180 Confession says that he added a rational soul, a human soul and a human body. So Christ isn't

00:57:19.000 pretending to be a man. He isn't God inhabiting a meat puppet. He's truly man and truly God.

00:57:25.020 And Joe Booth's point, I thought this was brilliant, is that what Chalcedon does and

00:57:29.100 really what Christ does and Chalcedon affirms, is he creates the only possible definitive link

00:57:34.940 and decisive link between heaven and earth, between man and God. He in Christ is the only way

00:57:41.500 that man can be reunited to God. When we are in Christ, we are being conformed to true humanity

00:57:48.740 and we are partaking in the divine nature, as Peter would say. I don't mean that in a heretical

00:57:54.100 away, but in the way that Peter says. We are partakers of the divine nature. We get the

00:57:58.700 inheritance. And so what statism and idolatry always does is it tries to make another link

00:58:05.140 between heaven and earth by deifying just humanity, not the God-man, but just deifying man.

00:58:10.940 And his point was even more, I think, brilliant than that. He said, not only do we do this in

00:58:15.360 worshiping a human, but we do this by worshiping the greatest display of human ingenuity,

00:58:20.260 like concentrated, like man writ large, which is what? The state, human government, human empire,

00:58:26.760 human kings. This is Pharaoh descended from the sun god, Ra. This is Caesar worship in the Roman

00:58:33.620 empire. This is North Korea, right? This is like anywhere you see the state being worshiped as God

00:58:41.440 and the head of that state, the emperor, king, ruler, president, whatever, being worshiped as

00:58:45.340 a God, you are seeing this idea that the state is God and man's problems are economic, political.

00:58:51.500 The Savior is going to be a God-man state. So I don't mean to derail us too much, but one of the

00:58:56.580 main criticisms or vein of criticisms that I've seen against post-millennialism is that it seems

00:59:02.980 like the opponents of post-millennialism is assuming that Christians are saying our issue

00:59:09.520 is political our issue is economic or technological or whatever it is or just the law

00:59:16.180 or it's yeah if we just had god's law i would fix it yeah so theonomic post-millennialists

00:59:23.200 they're saying that we're identifying the same issues as the statist are they right in that

00:59:28.580 criticism or wrong they're completely wrong and here's why because post-millennialism is nothing

00:59:34.700 if it is not the idea that the Great Commission will be successful, which is not that a perfect

00:59:41.220 law will fix us. No, read the Old Testament. They had the Mosaic law, and it just provoked them to

00:59:47.600 sin. What we need is new hearts. We need the gospel of the kingdom of God, saving and transforming

00:59:54.520 sinners so they have hearts that actually want to obey God. So the law is downstream.

00:59:58.720 So the location of the issue is reversed, or the solution, I mean.

01:00:02.920 absolutely so the location where where people the statist would say the solution is power if we get

01:00:09.460 the right person in power right the right number of congressmen the right senate the right supreme

01:00:15.520 court that's why you see so much around the supreme court yeah uh because if we get the highest rule

01:00:20.760 in the land then they can enforce these solutions that will actually solve our economic and political

01:00:26.940 issues whereas no whereas the post-millennialists whereas the christian faith because the christian

01:00:32.380 faith is post-mill, would say is that men's hearts need to be changed. Men need to be baptized. The

01:00:38.900 nations need to be discipled and baptized. And men will elect for themselves godly rulers.

01:00:45.060 They will want to be governed by the holy and living God. Whereas instead, the statist is saying,

01:00:50.740 we need the savior of the state to enforce our will onto everybody else. That's the issue.

01:00:56.820 That's the issue.

01:00:57.900 I think a lot of it is that, so this was the charge like levied against any Christian conservative, right?

01:01:04.060 Was that you're just one of the Trump supporters.

01:01:06.320 You think that Trump is going to save you.

01:01:07.880 The real problem here is a lot of people actually do view Trump as like a savior complex.

01:01:12.860 They're not Christians and they don't believe in regeneration.

01:01:16.540 But that's not to say that many Christians who save, like, you know, I voted for Trump.

01:01:21.380 Happy to say that.

01:01:22.220 Voted for Trump.

01:01:23.160 I don't think he's a savior.

01:01:24.160 I think the guy is kind of a moron in many senses of the word, but I like some of the things he was doing.

01:01:29.980 Maybe the best option.

01:01:31.220 You can disagree, agree with that.

01:01:32.480 It doesn't really matter.

01:01:33.260 But my point is, we're not fundamentally saying, you know, as Brian brings up, hey, let's just go control the state.

01:01:40.300 We're going the opposite direction.

01:01:41.920 We're saying, hey, let's preach the gospel.

01:01:43.880 Right.

01:01:44.420 It'll transform people's hearts.

01:01:46.000 And oh, by the way, those transformed hearts, they care about every sphere of life.

01:01:49.780 It's bottom up, not top down.

01:01:51.160 Yes.

01:01:51.360 And in the meantime, if we can elect rulers that will enforce something closer to a Christian morality than not, of course, we're going to do that and choose to do that because we love our neighbors and we want them to be ruled by something as close to the good standard as possible.

01:02:04.620 But we don't hope in that.

01:02:06.000 Yeah, love of neighbor.

01:02:06.720 We don't trust in horses and chariots.

01:02:08.860 So, guys, really all of this sums up to the last point in the confession.

01:02:13.020 And this is really the summary of all of them.

01:02:15.160 and it's that man is God. The idolatrous, demonic-infested land of Western culture today,

01:02:21.180 at the pinnacle of their statement of faith, is this belief that man is God. That God is dead,

01:02:25.960 we killed him. But actually, it turns out, he's resurrected in the form of us. Deified man will

01:02:31.900 always see the quote-unquote death of God as a job opening, and they will apply, and they will say,

01:02:37.440 oh, we have interviewed ourselves, and we got the job. So now we're God. Nature abhors a vacuum.

01:02:44.040 So we've constructed this creed of the high places of our culture that we believe that you need to put your hand in the plow of coming against.

01:02:53.320 In the next episodes of the King's Hall, we'll be addressing in several episodes each of these elements of our culture.

01:03:02.080 And we'll be bringing the solution to that.

01:03:04.580 Not just what is the problem, but what is the new Christendom going to say over against the man as God?

01:03:10.600 over against man as just a psychological, sexualized self

01:03:14.280 who expresses himself, and that's his greatest end,

01:03:16.940 just to express himself that the problem is psychological

01:03:19.980 and we need therapeutic and medical answers.

01:03:23.400 No, we're going to unpack the biblical doctrines

01:03:26.800 that actually give the solution and the problem correctly.

01:03:30.560 The new chrism is going to be built on the right answer.

01:03:33.640 So thanks for listening to this episode of the King's Hall.

01:03:36.380 In the next episodes, we're going to be diving deep

01:03:38.780 on the elements of this creed and their high places and fleshing out a strategy for chopping

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The King's Hall - May 20, 2022

The Creed of Their High Places (Part II)

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