The King's Hall - May 13, 2022


The Creed of Their High Places (Part I)

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00:00:36.040 Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours,
00:00:40.940 ran to the marketplace, and cried incessantly,
00:00:43.820 I seek God! I seek God!
00:00:46.200 As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then,
00:00:50.400 he provoked much laughter.
00:00:52.440 Has he got lost? asked one.
00:00:54.900 Did he lose his way like a child? asked another.
00:00:58.000 Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us?
00:01:00.140 Has he gone on a voyage, emigrated?
00:01:02.860 Thus they yelled and laughed.
00:01:05.060 The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes.
00:01:08.560 Whither is God? he cried.
00:01:10.580 I will tell you, we have killed him, you and I.
00:01:14.440 All of us are his murderers.
00:01:16.340 But how do we do this?
00:01:18.140 How could we drink up the sea?
00:01:19.720 Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon?
00:01:22.760 What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun?
00:01:27.060 Whither is it moving now?
00:01:28.580 Whither are we moving away from all suns?
00:01:31.120 Are we not plunging continually?
00:01:33.700 Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions?
00:01:36.940 Is there still any up or down?
00:01:39.420 Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing?
00:01:42.640 Do we not feel the breath of empty space?
00:01:45.500 Has it not become colder?
00:01:47.380 Is not night continually closing in on us?
00:01:49.900 Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning?
00:01:52.760 Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the grave diggers who are burying God?
00:01:57.760 Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition?
00:02:02.120 Gods too decompose.
00:02:04.020 God is dead.
00:02:05.640 God remains dead, and we have killed him.
00:02:09.140 How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?
00:02:12.860 What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned
00:02:16.400 has bled to death under our knives.
00:02:18.420 Who will wipe this blood off us?
00:02:20.880 What water is there for us to clean ourselves?
00:02:23.460 What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent?
00:02:27.760 Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?
00:02:31.040 Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
00:02:34.680 There has never been a greater deed, and whoever is born after us for the sake of this deed,
00:02:39.100 he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto.
00:02:42.600 Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners.
00:02:47.340 And they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment.
00:02:51.500 At last he threw his lantern on the ground and it broke into pieces and went out.
00:02:56.320 I've come too early, he said.
00:02:58.800 My time is not yet.
00:03:01.200 This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering.
00:03:04.640 It has not yet reached the ears of men.
00:03:07.280 Lightning and thunder require time.
00:03:09.080 The light of the stars requires time.
00:03:11.360 Deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard.
00:03:14.480 This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars, and yet they have done it
00:03:20.960 themselves. It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several
00:03:26.860 churches and there struck up his Requiem Aeternum Deo. Led out and called to account, he is said
00:03:33.820 always to have replied nothing but, what after all are these churches now if they are not the
00:03:39.600 tombs, and sepulchres of God.
00:03:41.960 Excerpt from Friedrich Nietzsche's The Gay Science.
00:03:45.280 The King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well and win the world.
00:03:50.260 Welcome back to the King's Hall.
00:03:52.000 My name is Brian Sauvé, and we've got the usual gang of troublemakers here.
00:03:56.600 Eric, tell the people hi.
00:03:58.200 Howdy, my peeps.
00:03:59.800 And by the way, before we even get to Dan, because Dan, this is just on my brain.
00:04:04.140 What did we just listen to?
00:04:05.820 What did you just listen to?
00:04:07.400 Oh, it's the madman.
00:04:08.200 and it's an excerpt.
00:04:10.080 Oh, there we go.
00:04:11.120 An excerpt.
00:04:11.900 I don't know.
00:04:13.000 I don't know what we listened to.
00:04:15.040 Yeah, it's an excerpt from Nietzsche
00:04:17.720 where he's basically showing how much more honest
00:04:21.760 the old guard atheists were than the new guard.
00:04:26.640 You know, Dawkins and Dennett
00:04:27.940 with their kind of glib,
00:04:30.140 God is dead and we're happy about it.
00:04:32.140 Nietzsche, he was convinced God is dead.
00:04:33.760 I mean, obviously he's dead now.
00:04:35.040 God continues to live.
00:04:36.280 But Nietzsche, I mean, when he thought about what he thought they had done, it killed him.
00:04:42.820 I mean, he went mad.
00:04:44.300 He recognized that they had unhitched the earth from its sun.
00:04:49.300 The unmooring hadn't been so distant from reality like now.
00:04:54.500 Yeah, the excerpt that you read, it seems somber, right?
00:05:02.960 Yeah, one could say.
00:05:04.840 Calling the churches tombs and sepulchres of God seems sad.
00:05:10.880 It is.
00:05:11.800 Well, Dan, say hi to the people.
00:05:14.240 Hello.
00:05:14.700 What a lovely day.
00:05:15.560 What a lovely day it is, indeed.
00:05:16.980 I'm so glad we get to read stuff like that.
00:05:19.060 Yeah, yeah.
00:05:19.840 Well, you'll see why.
00:05:20.640 Here in this first season, obviously, smooth transition.
00:05:24.100 Our work is the new Christendom, right?
00:05:26.120 We don't believe God is dead.
00:05:28.040 We believe that he is the living God.
00:05:30.180 Not only is he the living God, but he is continuing to expand his kingdom.
00:05:33.500 And so we're working in this season to build the blueprints of this cathedral of Christendom.
00:05:39.100 And not only do we want to see this cathedral go up ourselves, we want to inflame you, dear
00:05:44.560 listener, to desire the same.
00:05:47.520 We hope that you'll make it your life's work to take up whatever tools the Lord has given
00:05:51.820 you in whatever place the Lord has called you and to throw yourself into the work of
00:05:57.560 this cathedral with your whole self and whole life.
00:06:01.020 So to do that in this season, we've had to begin with some demolition work, clearing the job site of our cathedral, of all of the debris that's been in its way.
00:06:09.980 And since, of course, judgment begins with the household of God, so have we.
00:06:13.880 So we've been aiming our sledgehammer so far, mainly at those models and doctrinal systems and cheesy Jesus junk that will need to go if we're to see the cathedral grow up.
00:06:23.980 the big, fast, and famous of megachurchianity, the high-octane emotionalism of revivalism,
00:06:29.780 the pessimism of dispensational Darbyism, and more. And though there is more that we could say
00:06:36.540 on the household of faith side of things, it's time for us to take up our axes in the spirit of
00:06:43.180 our great forefather Boniface and stride up to the green groves and sacred trees and high places
00:06:49.160 of pagan worship that have also infested the land.
00:06:53.500 As you guys obviously know,
00:06:55.320 if you have eyes to see and ears to hear,
00:06:57.500 the West today is much like the land of Canaan
00:07:01.000 when Israel crossed the river behind Joshua.
00:07:03.300 Or maybe it might even be more accurate to say
00:07:05.040 that it's like the land under the periods
00:07:06.940 of Israel's exile and unfaithfulness.
00:07:09.480 It's not a pre-Christian land, it is an apostate.
00:07:12.760 So it's choked with demonic cults
00:07:15.240 and their enslaved adherents.
00:07:17.360 So when you understand what we've been talking about for the last few episodes, that our task, the mission of God, is to disciple the nations, you immediately recognize that you're being confronted with this fact that the nations need to be converted.
00:07:31.260 If we're going to disciple them, they need to be converted.
00:07:33.820 They're lost.
00:07:34.500 They're ensnared by false gods.
00:07:35.900 And so in the next few episodes, we'll be identifying some of the demonic ideologies that undergird the demonic secular humanism and religion that the West is given over to right now, and especially the demonic ideology that undergirds much of probably what's under your feet in your neighborhoods and that you see on TV and on the Internet.
00:07:59.980 And this was alluded to really in that passage from Nietzsche, that the idea that God is dead,
00:08:04.700 but more that we killed him and that we decided that his absence was a job opening and now we
00:08:10.800 are God. And so the idol that we think we're worshiping is actually ourselves.
00:08:15.080 So to begin in this episode, we're going to do a flyover of that pagan and idolatrous landscape
00:08:21.540 and ask questions like which idols need to be knocked down? What do the people of the land
00:08:25.860 believe, where are they enslaved and how, what has brought them to that slavery, what has brought
00:08:31.000 them to worship these gods in these ways. And so our goal today is to lay out a creed of their
00:08:37.220 high places or like their confession of faith. And so we have seven entries in this confession
00:08:43.760 of faith, what they believe, what these green groves and high places are dedicated to that we
00:08:49.120 need to go into with our acts in the spirit of Boniface and chop down in the name of the living
00:08:53.920 God, to free people from this slavery. In the first century in this confession of faith, guys,
00:08:59.080 that I'd like to discuss, the belief that man is good, inherently in his nature, that man is good.
00:09:06.140 And a lot of this comes back to the thought of a despicable man by the name of Jean-Jacques Rousseau,
00:09:12.200 who lived in 1712 to 1778 was his lifespan. He was an intellectual and a writer. And you could
00:09:20.180 hear, if you'd like to hear more about this guy, and I think the more you hear about him,
00:09:24.160 the more you'll hate him. You can hear a good biographical sketch of him from a book called
00:09:29.760 Intellectuals by Paul Johnson. He has a pretty good entry in the sad tale of Rousseau's life.
00:09:35.720 But Rousseau's essential idea was that man is basically good and that what makes man go wrong
00:09:40.580 isn't any kind of inward sin nature or corruption, but it was actually the contaminating
00:09:46.540 forces of civilization and society. He affirmed a lot of the ideas of John Locke, tabula rasa,
00:09:53.660 that man is a blank slate, that society writes on. He famously said, man is born free, but
00:09:59.160 everywhere is everywhere in chains. Basically, that mankind in this state of nature is free
00:10:04.960 and unfettered, but that society corrupts him in flames, unnatural desires in him. He was part of
00:10:11.420 this noble savage myth.
00:10:13.760 So, guys, how do you see this idea of the innate goodness of man
00:10:18.660 influencing the civil religion and culture of our day?
00:10:24.200 Yeah, well, I was going to say, Dan,
00:10:25.660 I just want to bring this up to kind of a higher intellectual level
00:10:28.340 by talking about a Luke Bryan song.
00:10:30.840 Yeah, thank you.
00:10:31.580 Thank you for, you know, transcending.
00:10:34.180 I'm trying to be a, what's a connoisseur?
00:10:35.960 All that lowbrow, you know, blue collar.
00:10:38.120 Yeah, a connoisseur, not a snob.
00:10:40.500 I am definitely a snob, though, when it comes to country music.
00:10:43.900 Yeah, Luke Bryan's disgusting.
00:10:45.680 Like Luke Bryan being the...
00:10:47.000 He's the cream of the crop, right, Luke Bryan?
00:10:48.800 He is.
00:10:49.200 I actually have a tattoo of him on my back.
00:10:51.340 I have not seen it.
00:10:52.740 I almost said I've seen it, but then I realized that Eric would immediately play the...
00:10:56.040 Mista?
00:10:56.620 Should I call you Mista?
00:10:57.780 This is actually the episode where if Dan actually had that tattoo, I would probably...
00:11:02.500 Tattoo?
00:11:03.120 Tattoo.
00:11:03.620 That's actually the British pronunciation.
00:11:06.140 I didn't live there, but I flew over it once.
00:11:09.140 Excellent.
00:11:09.740 Yeah, anyway, so Luke Bryan, you know, we think about Rousseau,
00:11:12.980 and I guess the point I'm making, he has a song called Most People Are Good.
00:11:15.800 So these things work their way into the culture.
00:11:18.420 It's not all just highbrow academia.
00:11:20.360 Like, a lot of people are going to probably hear this and say,
00:11:22.300 yeah, but I've never heard of Rousseau.
00:11:23.700 Yeah, right, who's this Rousseau character?
00:11:25.120 What are you talking about? I don't know him.
00:11:26.580 Yeah, but we see it a lot in pop culture.
00:11:28.860 It's been something that has dominated.
00:11:31.140 The other thing I think that's interesting here is we're talking about idols.
00:11:33.840 So I'll set this up and then kick it over to Dan because that's my job here.
00:11:36.900 The psalms tell us especially that we become like the idols we make.
00:11:40.460 And so when you look at our culture, do you see a vibrant, thriving, living organism that you would say, this is good, we want to emulate?
00:11:46.160 Now, it depends who you ask that question.
00:11:48.140 But even people in the mainstream are noticing now, like, I've seen a lot of articles lately, like Western America, Western civilization is in its death throes.
00:11:57.240 There's some talk about this.
00:11:58.860 And I would just wager it's because of these idols that we've made.
00:12:02.500 Yeah.
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00:13:07.860 So at this point, Dan, I do want to kick it to you.
00:13:10.320 What are you seeing, as Brian asked, about the innate goodness of man and civil religion?
00:13:15.500 Where do you see this?
00:13:17.080 Yeah, that's a good question.
00:13:18.500 I actually, I wanted to talk about the noble savage.
00:13:21.440 Sure.
00:13:21.640 Because this is a Rousseauian idea is that man stripped of civilization, society, cultural influences in itself is good.
00:13:32.180 You see this in such stories like Brave New World, Huxley, the dystopian book.
00:13:40.040 If you guys haven't read it, it's actually a really interesting snapshot of our current day.
00:13:45.860 instead of a 1984 where you have this totalitarian government which we're actually going to talk
00:13:52.260 about in the after hours so if you guys are patrons or would like to be a patron you can
00:13:56.400 support us at the kingshall.org uh and you can get content like that but a brave new world
00:14:01.400 instead of being like 1984 where everything is dark and gray and all pleasure is removed
00:14:06.600 a brave new world the government essentially gives you every pleasure so you can be drunk and
00:14:12.800 have orgies and everything like that and so society corrupts people in their nature they
00:14:19.460 become evil because of other evil people and there's a character that arises who is in the
00:14:25.460 outside of the civilization who is a savage and he comes in and he is moral he is like the the
00:14:31.720 shining beacon of light he is the noble savage it's it's like a it's a stereotype like if somebody
00:14:37.240 looked at rousseau his idea and they're like yeah i'll write a story about that and i would actually
00:14:41.860 like I do have a question that I'd like to ask you guys what is the difference between the noble
00:14:46.380 savage of Rousseau versus the Christian idea of like innocent Adam because I think both would say
00:14:54.880 man is good but what's the difference yeah I think that one of the key distinctions here
00:15:01.700 that actually gets totally lost in the midst of mainstream Calvinist Christian theology
00:15:08.460 is that a Christian should be able to say without blushing, man is good.
00:15:15.540 And maybe you were like, wait a second.
00:15:17.500 Total depravity.
00:15:18.220 I thought the whole thing was total depravity.
00:15:19.620 Well, think about it like this.
00:15:20.480 When we say as Calvinists that men are totally depraved,
00:15:25.580 we don't mean that the creational nature of man as man is depraved.
00:15:31.600 We actually believe that the creational nature of humankind is a good thing.
00:15:37.380 In fact, a very good thing.
00:15:39.020 Well, you can see why Gnosticism can take root in even Calvinistic circles.
00:15:43.240 Absolutely.
00:15:43.740 Because it despises the whole man.
00:15:45.560 It doesn't believe that in our salvation we're becoming human again.
00:15:50.000 It thinks we're becoming something else.
00:15:52.220 We're becoming glorified man.
00:15:53.760 But God came and became a man to make men back into what they were meant to be glorified.
00:16:01.380 Right?
00:16:01.580 So it's like one theologian, I can't remember who it was.
00:16:04.180 he said, so one of the errors we make is it would be similar to if a child knocked over a vase in
00:16:11.880 his mom's house and it broke, and then he concluded that the nature of vases is that they're broken.
00:16:17.960 Well, no, a vase is not broken in its nature. You corrupted it. Something came into it from
00:16:24.640 outside and corrupted it. So the difference is that Christians have this radical concept that
00:16:30.220 that humanity is a good thing that has been corrupted by sin so that it now desires bad
00:16:37.400 things, but that through Christ, we can be restored. That's a radical, I mean, against
00:16:42.380 Rousseau, a radical concept. Yeah. And Brian, as you were talking about that, it also makes me
00:16:47.480 realize when you look at where our society locates the problem today, right? Not certainly not in
00:16:52.860 sinful man. They would be very Rousseau-y in, I guess, in this sense. But I think it also,
00:16:58.680 this is why in political discourse we talk about things like you notice that every problem has to
00:17:03.900 be a systemic problem yeah because the problem is never with like envy in a person's heart the
00:17:08.600 problem is with the system the society did it if if only we could get the systems right then we
00:17:13.260 would produce you know good fundamentally good people um but i think what we've actually seen
00:17:18.760 is any of this progressive systematization of whatever you call you know whether it's marxism
00:17:24.320 or, you know, some, you know, fiscal financial policy, whatever it is, it actually generally
00:17:30.000 leads to worse. So, you know, the welfare state, well, if we can just alleviate poverty,
00:17:35.440 people in a certain class will be good. They'll be restored to the original goodness.
00:17:39.680 What happens, though, Dan, we find is actually the opposite of that.
00:17:43.300 What's interesting about this Rousseauian idea is that nobody that follows the philosophies
00:17:47.880 of Rousseau is saying, then become individuals in the wilderness.
00:17:51.500 Yeah.
00:17:51.660 civilization is the problem and so what ends up happening i think i'm no philosopher is uh extreme
00:17:58.480 tribalism to where there is an oppressor class and there is an oppressed class and so necessarily
00:18:03.820 the oppressed class must oppress the oppressors or remove their rights or uh systematize like you
00:18:11.580 said there is some systemic issue and so what it what it ends up doing is is creating these huge
00:18:16.780 divides and it becomes really easy to dismiss individual sins like you said it's not the sin
00:18:21.820 of envy that's the problem it's some societal issue you know when there is the truth like
00:18:26.620 there are peoples that have sins right you know like sin is like yeast yeah well you think about
00:18:32.880 the yeah dan the the me too movement with women because you're looking at everything as categories
00:18:38.380 of systems you know white christian men being the the wicked part of the system then like when a
00:18:43.880 women a woman sins it's like they don't have a category for it because they're like well she
00:18:47.300 can't though but she can't she's the oppressed she can't possibly you know and this is where
00:18:52.240 christian scripture would obviously come in but she can't possibly be corrupted in her nature
00:18:56.500 born of the flesh you know a child of the devil that's a very different perspective
00:19:01.640 than she's basically good in the system corrupted
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00:19:46.040 the sins of our day because you can boil it down to somebody else's. It's some other group's fault
00:19:52.140 that you're in the position you're in. And that's what it's all boiled down to.
00:19:55.920 yes no personal responsibility i'm gonna sound like a curmudgeon um i was ranting to brian
00:20:02.220 about self-rule taking responsibility part of being in a civilization i've heard uh one author
00:20:09.340 describe civilization as is not going to the bathroom in the city well that's a nice way to
00:20:14.700 put it he put it much more crassly but it's like you know you're you're in a society with other
00:20:19.640 people you have responsibilities and part of that is being self-controlled and taking responsibility
00:20:25.460 yourself with this Russoian idea is that it places the blame on other people. You don't
00:20:30.500 actually have to be self-ruled because all of the problems that you are experiencing or most of them
00:20:35.520 are imposed on you from some sort of a oppressor class. And so what the fruit of that, and we saw
00:20:42.520 this definitely in like the boomer generation and not all boomers are like this, just, but you're
00:20:46.720 seeing the fruit of this is the shopping cart test. And so I'm at Sam's club the other day
00:20:53.140 and there's and it's it just happened to be a certain age class where they're parking wherever
00:20:58.460 they want not in parking spots and then they bring their carts out i'm waiting for a sam's
00:21:03.560 pickup with my family in the car and screaming babies anyway it was great fun and i'm watching
00:21:08.540 these boomers they walk to their vehicles and they leave their carts in this essentially the road
00:21:15.380 and then they just leave so they parked in a place where they weren't supposed to park and
00:21:18.960 they leave their shopping carts, you know, just right there by their vehicle, not in a cart.
00:21:23.980 I mean, this I'm looking at this and I'm like, none of this in itself is actually that big a
00:21:28.340 deal, but it shows that these people don't care. Yeah. This is like, and obviously what happened
00:21:34.660 is that they were blank slates that would have been inherently good, but then society wrote on
00:21:39.400 the blank slate of their psyche, the selfishness of not putting the shopping cart back. Right. And
00:21:45.200 So they're able to justify their actions.
00:21:47.320 Was it me?
00:21:48.560 It's always a blame shift.
00:21:50.480 Yeah, I was going to say the net result is I think this is why counter all that.
00:21:54.820 Like Jordan Peterson has been popular because he's been talking about take personal responsibility.
00:21:59.840 Wherever you see responsibility being abdicated, you have an opportunity to take ownership and become a leader and all this stuff.
00:22:06.340 But fundamental to all this, again, Rousseauian idea of human nature, it leads to a lot of popular culture things that we talk about,
00:22:13.340 victimization or victim
00:22:15.280 culture, people not
00:22:17.240 wanting to take personal responsibility.
00:22:19.980 Even things
00:22:20.860 societally, like
00:22:21.980 I took out a $100,000 student loan,
00:22:25.080 but somebody else should have to pay it back.
00:22:27.160 Well, why? Why would that be
00:22:29.060 the case? But in this
00:22:30.900 model of thinking, it's like, well, I'm basically good.
00:22:34.140 The society
00:22:35.060 or the system screwed me.
00:22:36.660 And so now they need to fix it. This isn't actually
00:22:38.920 my fault. Yeah. And I think
00:22:40.760 sometimes people respond to Russo in kind of a really
00:22:43.340 over simplification where they think that what Rousseau is saying is that there used to be
00:22:47.980 cultures that were like utopias, savages, and that we've declined. His point wasn't actually that
00:22:54.580 ancient peoples were good or their societies were utopias. He's imagining a hypothetical society
00:23:02.920 where you removed all of the influence of societal corruption, and then you could have this utopia
00:23:09.520 sort of idea it's funny that you know ideas have consequences so ideas have consequences and and
00:23:16.140 one of the things that actually came out well there's a few things that came from rousseau
00:23:20.160 one of them was the french revolution right like almost directly and and we would probably all here
00:23:26.080 say right net net negative net negative think about like the motto of this is still the motto
00:23:30.920 of france liberté egalité fraternité the liberty equality fraternity or brotherhood and it's this
00:23:37.080 idea that the oppressive political class with its Christianity and all these other things
00:23:43.120 needed to be thrown off so that we could return to these natural virtues of man that man naturally
00:23:49.700 longs for, which is liberty, equality, and brotherhood. Which has been adopted today as
00:23:54.620 the diversity, equality, inclusion. Exactly. I mean, it was wholesale adopted by Thomas Jefferson,
00:24:00.960 who just happened to write a lot of it into our, you know, in our legal documents that founded
00:24:07.000 the country so bro was a francophile like he had an he he had an unnatural love for french i think
00:24:11.920 it was the ambassador there for time yeah right and as a french as a french man uh i canadian i
00:24:18.820 want to as a uh as a uh what is it what do we call it like the uh generic version of a frenchman the
00:24:24.220 french canadian we just offended everybody in canada i was i was gonna go into the whole like
00:24:28.960 Quidamante. Oh, here we go.
00:24:31.360 You just said a pastry name.
00:24:33.520 It's Les Fides du Roi.
00:24:35.600 The Pope himself is French.
00:24:37.820 Well, the Pope may be French, but Jesus
00:24:39.460 is English. You're on.
00:24:41.160 Yes!
00:24:42.640 Oh, yeah, the pastry is good.
00:24:45.580 You just said a pastry. Okay.
00:24:46.900 But your great-grandma, the
00:24:48.260 king's woman.
00:24:50.200 I was going to actually
00:24:51.620 input here my knowledge of
00:24:54.220 French-Canadian culture, so I like ice hockey.
00:24:56.820 Yeah. Uh-huh. You hoser?
00:24:58.120 That's all I got.
00:24:59.340 That's literally all I got.
00:25:00.660 Yeah, there you go.
00:25:01.340 Hey, proving that we are the manliest of peoples.
00:25:04.100 Not really.
00:25:05.020 Okay, anyway.
00:25:06.200 You look at something like the French Revolution as fruit of Rousseau,
00:25:09.060 and you can immediately judge the character of the ideas.
00:25:11.980 Because it turns out, actually, that out of the heart of fallen man,
00:25:17.280 you do not see a wellspring of liberty, equality, and brotherhood coming out.
00:25:21.960 But rather, you see a wellspring of might makes right, slavery, and hatred.
00:25:27.080 Like, when Paul says, I think it's either to Timothy or Titus, he says, like, this is what fallen man did.
00:25:33.500 They passed their days hating one another and being hated.
00:25:36.840 Like, that's the actual, if you look at the noble savage, he's actually kind of ignoble.
00:25:42.480 So ideas have consequences.
00:25:44.100 Another area where Rousseau has had an incredible amount of influence, not many people appreciate, I think, is in the world of education.
00:25:53.200 Because he wrote Emil, one of his books was all about education.
00:25:56.600 And this is hilarious. I'll let Dan talk about his fatherhood a little bit.
00:26:01.600 But you look at – out of his educational theory, you get things like Montessori education, where the kids are like, oh, they just self-educate.
00:26:10.980 Oh, like the unschool.
00:26:12.060 The unschool, yeah. Because if you just leave them alone, they'll interact with the environment and they'll figure it out.
00:26:17.580 Yeah, they will interact with the environment.
00:26:19.140 That's right.
00:26:19.560 Their environment, like my garage, where they pull my wood saws out of my toolbox, and then they start using their scooters down the middle of the road while swinging saws at one another.
00:26:30.200 They steal, kill, and destroy.
00:26:31.460 Is that the noble savage?
00:26:32.680 Noble savage.
00:26:32.920 I think that's natural man.
00:26:34.940 Natural man.
00:26:35.360 Is what that is.
00:26:36.420 Fallen man.
00:26:37.220 Yeah.
00:26:38.400 So you get these ideas, and you start thinking about how powerful of an influence is it in an entire educational system.
00:26:43.820 If you believe that children are basically good in their nature and that their desires, if left to themselves, would be basically good desires, how does that affect how you approach curriculum or how you approach the philosophy of education?
00:27:01.240 Over against that, it's something like St. Brandon's Classical Christian Academy that we founded.
00:27:05.180 One of our abiding ideas is that people love badness.
00:27:08.420 They have bad taste.
00:27:09.720 Yeah, preference for badness, like C.S. Lewis says.
00:27:12.040 Yeah, they don't appreciate it.
00:27:13.080 They don't know what the good, the true, and the beautiful is, and so what you actually have to do is train them in virtue, which virtue comes from the Latin word vir, which is man, the ideal man.
00:27:21.400 You're saying you are not the ideal man.
00:27:24.380 If left alone, you will prefer twaddle, you will prefer Disney board books that are absolute garbage over the Chronicles of Narnia, like if you're left alone.
00:27:36.000 If I leave my kids alone in the house, they do not naturally read Plutarch.
00:27:39.540 No.
00:27:40.120 That has to be trained into them.
00:27:41.940 But I also think it's funny because a lot of people in popular culture actually got this, too, with, like, say, Lord of the Flies.
00:27:47.620 Yeah.
00:27:47.900 Like, that was actually more realistic.
00:27:49.420 If you leave boys alone completely.
00:27:51.740 Now, and the thing is, there is some truth to this.
00:27:54.300 Like, you know, young kids tend to have, you know, healthy imaginations.
00:27:58.660 They can, at least.
00:27:59.880 And, like, they're really good at, you know, Jesus pointing to kids and, like, you know, have the faith of a child.
00:28:04.340 We get it.
00:28:04.800 There's some things that are really good about that phase of life.
00:28:08.320 But yeah, to your point, they're not going to ascend to this greater learning or character or virtue without really intentional instruction.
00:28:18.740 Yeah, that's right. They have to be trained. And actually, again, a radical Christian idea
00:28:24.540 that man is a good thing that was corrupted by sin, and that the restoration and salvation of
00:28:31.360 man and sanctification and glorification of man comes from the restoring or the resurrection of
00:28:37.880 the seat of their desire. That the problem with man is that they want bad things. They want to sin,
00:28:45.460 and so they sin. So to fix that, the Christian gospel says, what you actually need is to give
00:28:51.760 them a new heart with the law of God written on it and the spirit in them so that they'll
00:28:56.640 walk in his ways, their desires will be renewed. So let me ask you guys this question, because
00:29:03.620 some people have listening, they're probably recognizing the influence of a book by Carl
00:29:06.660 Truman called The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism,
00:29:11.500 and the Road to Sexual Revolution, which is honestly a very solid book, even though I have
00:29:16.700 my qualms, I have my quibbles with Carl Truman and the biggest quibbles name is Amy Bird.
00:29:22.280 But this book is actually a tremendous book. He called the idea that resulted from Rousseau
00:29:27.920 and company, the psychological self, the psychological self. So what do you guys think
00:29:33.500 of that term? What does that call the mind? You think it's accurate? You think it's a helpful
00:29:37.980 term the psych man as the psychological self reading truman on this is helpful as well because
00:29:44.340 part of the problem is you know really i would say like 1960s and onward we really became
00:29:51.420 dominated in our american culture by psychological therapeutic language yeah um so this is even
00:29:58.060 something that you have to be really careful with books like wild at heart by john eldridge
00:30:03.020 People don't realize it, but like Robert Bly, who he got his stuff from.
00:30:07.620 I mean, through and through, a bizarre, crazy Jungian psychologist.
00:30:12.120 And there's some really good stuff there, but there's also a lot of stuff that is just pagan nonsense.
00:30:17.580 Then you go back to things like Freud.
00:30:21.180 We don't realize how much psychology has invaded the pulpit.
00:30:25.380 One of the things David Powelson was so great about, I took a few courses with him, the late David Powelson now.
00:30:31.240 Brilliant man, but he began his career in psychotherapy and then became a Christian counselor.
00:30:38.220 Well, so he had been exposed to kind of everything.
00:30:40.620 And so one of the things in the biblical counseling course at Southern Seminary that he kind of opened our eyes to see,
00:30:46.820 he was like, you guys know what Freud said?
00:30:49.940 And so he'd read quotes, and Freud would say things like,
00:30:52.400 I would replace every church in Europe with a psychological clinic.
00:30:57.700 Yeah. I mean, this guy was, as we'll talk about, he was bathed in sexual sin.
00:31:02.800 Yep. And we're going to talk about, you're going to, oh, you're going to hear some things about
00:31:05.940 Freud, but that guy was a perv, I think is the technical term for it.
00:31:12.080 I think it is a technical term. So one of the ways that I, I mean, I'm thinking through this
00:31:17.720 question, the psychological self, how it's invaded the church and most of our society
00:31:24.120 seems kind of innocent, but like personality tests.
00:31:26.960 Oh, absolutely.
00:31:27.700 I'm so glad you brought this up.
00:31:29.580 Because the key then to relationships and to right,
00:31:33.300 even like spiritual gifting tests kind of come into this,
00:31:36.240 the key to right relationship with God and to men becomes knowing yourself.
00:31:41.200 Yes.
00:31:41.940 Knowing yourself.
00:31:43.000 And so the psychological self becomes the key to your relationships
00:31:46.980 with people and with God.
00:31:49.180 And so I think that's become somewhat problematic.
00:31:52.440 Yeah, that's actually huge.
00:31:53.760 I remember probably one of the greatest Mark Driscoll rants of all time.
00:31:57.620 And there were many.
00:31:58.960 There's a lot of them.
00:31:59.660 But he said, you're not an INTJ.
00:32:01.740 He's like, you're a J-E-R-K.
00:32:03.920 I was like, yeah, Mark, get him.
00:32:05.500 Mark.
00:32:05.820 But, yeah, I mean, you think of the.
00:32:08.500 Enneagram?
00:32:08.980 The Enneagram.
00:32:09.420 Oh, the Enneagram.
00:32:10.400 We actually went to a church with Jeff and Beth McCord, who are.
00:32:13.820 She's like one of the foremost, like, female.
00:32:15.560 No.
00:32:16.040 Because what they tried to do is they took Tim Kellerism, the gospel-centered Tim Kellerism,
00:32:20.280 redemptive historical preaching and tried to combine it with a neogram yeah absolutely um but
00:32:25.880 yeah i mean it gets into all this stuff that um you're trying to view people fundamentally
00:32:30.440 differently than scripture so i would even say when we're talking to our brothers when like
00:32:34.920 you know i was influenced by the psychology too and it was like people would be like well why did
00:32:39.600 you say that to your wife and i was like i don't know i was mad and they're like no it's because
00:32:43.180 the wound your father gave you and i'd be like wait what it's because you're it's the wound your
00:32:48.860 father gave you and you're a you're a i3j wing four and you can see how this could be attractive
00:32:53.740 to people because it's another opportunity to shed well it's taking responsibility yeah taking
00:32:59.260 responsibility yeah so eric i want you to cue up the meester clip here because uh when we were in
00:33:04.380 a church planning network that shall not be named you know one of the reasons we left it was because
00:33:08.520 it was just going it's like going woke it was going really really woke real fast and mike
00:33:13.860 Mike Cosper was involved in it, and I remember going to, like, a retreat with it,
00:33:19.840 and one of the breakouts that you could go do was they had Enneagram specialists come in.
00:33:24.480 No.
00:33:24.960 And they would tell you what you are.
00:33:26.940 They would do your whole – and then it was actually a sales pitch
00:33:29.260 because then you could have them come in and do your whole elder team, you know,
00:33:32.660 and, like, it would – and it was pitched just like, look, guys, this is just a tool to help you.
00:33:37.500 It will help your leadership team understand the friction.
00:33:41.080 It's just a helpful analytical tool.
00:33:43.140 you are gay well it's like if if man is good and play the clip mister should i call you mister
00:33:49.900 why are you gay exactly you are gay if man is good then the the answers to his problems lies
00:33:57.600 within it it lies in sanctified navel gazing where the deeper you look into your own belly button
00:34:03.380 you will find the answers to whatever ails you what and and all of those are from society
00:34:08.400 and the answers are within this is like talking about culture the psychological self this is
00:34:14.420 what's behind all of the i'm going to after high school go on a six-month backpacking tour of
00:34:19.660 europe to find myself like because apparently your true psychological self is somewhere in
00:34:24.500 bavaria in a hostel drunk but it really does like when you're reading a lot of this popular
00:34:30.380 literature it is so seductive i mean i remember reading this stuff in college and i was like yeah
00:34:35.280 I mean, there is a part of me that would rather backpack through Europe and not do anything and find myself.
00:34:42.660 I'd rather do that than take responsibility.
00:34:44.680 That's right.
00:34:45.340 You know?
00:34:45.920 Yeah.
00:34:46.380 Yeah.
00:34:46.660 And I would say the other thing here that's that's interesting is when you're actually reading these authors that are popularizing this, it reminds me of something.
00:34:54.900 There's an old quote, but Michael Foster brought this up the other day, right?
00:34:57.580 When he said, you know, you can have all the intellectuals of the land.
00:35:00.560 Just give me the poets.
00:35:02.100 I'd rather have them because, again, a lot of this stuff,
00:35:05.140 it's not like people are going to seminars at Berkeley, most people,
00:35:09.080 and going like, yeah, I'm going to teach Rousseauian psychological self and romanticism.
00:35:15.560 Or even, I think this is something that the poets help popularize, no?
00:35:20.140 Yes, absolutely. Nobody's reading Emile. I mean, people are.
00:35:23.240 But Truman, in his book, actually demonstrated how the poets...
00:35:26.960 So you've got Rousseau in the 1700s.
00:35:29.640 Well, then in the 18 and 1900s, you have poets like Wordsworth and Shelley and Blake and a whole company of poets that came along.
00:35:39.180 They were steeped in this intellectual culture of Rousseauian romanticism and all this stuff.
00:35:45.220 And then they took those ideas and actually they had this fundamental worldview that it was the poets who would change anything.
00:35:51.320 You couldn't change anything without the poets because the poets had to take the ideas and put them in a way that all of the natural men would understand and get before the whole culture, right?
00:36:04.180 Like you can't actually change the thinking of an entire people unless you can get the intellectual highfalutin ideas down into the blue collar everyday culture.
00:36:15.780 And that's how, I mean, that's how the poets worked.
00:36:19.040 So today it's like, you guys, what do you think about this?
00:36:21.640 Does the modern media of our day serve a similar function as like the priesthood of this pagan confession?
00:36:29.480 Yes.
00:36:30.060 And I will tell you why.
00:36:31.160 There was a brilliant article I read some years ago.
00:36:33.860 It was on Netflix.
00:36:35.440 It was by Brian Sauve.
00:36:37.820 A Frenchman.
00:36:38.300 Yeah, a French Canadian.
00:36:40.940 A Frenchman named Brian Sauve at Brian Sauve.
00:36:44.280 Anyway, it was on Netflix and essentially that Netflix is a liturgy.
00:36:48.020 It is training you in righteousness as the world sees, as the priests who are curating these resources and entertainment is distilling it so that people can consume it and be conformed by it.
00:37:01.340 Because that's what a liturgy is.
00:37:02.660 You're being indoctrinated and conformed to something.
00:37:05.380 And so you can see that, I mean, if you guys have interacted at all with anything that Christ Church does or Doug Wilson, you'll know that if there's this cosmic battle going on, essentially, where Christ is putting all of his enemies under his feet, Christ hovers over all of human existence and every square inch says mine.
00:37:22.780 and there are counter battles going on with the enemy and demon gods. And we're interacting with
00:37:29.580 some of these high places right now. They have their own priests. They have their own blasphemy
00:37:33.260 laws. They have their own liturgies. They have their own doctrines. And so the way that they're
00:37:38.360 operating right now is to shove that stuff down your throat. And it's becoming more and more
00:37:42.640 obvious, such as Disney saying, you know what, we're actually going to make a whole bunch of
00:37:47.060 our stuff really gay and have a lot of trans stuff in there so that your kids become indoctrinated,
00:37:51.940 especially since you won't let us teach him this at school at a really really young age
00:37:56.340 this conversation actually bleeds over into many other conversations that we're going to have
00:38:01.680 later on but that's that's what i would say as far as you know that the liturgy and the
00:38:05.640 priests of our day i don't know what you think about that eric yeah i think it's exactly right
00:38:09.600 and i think it's not necessarily new when you look at things like plato right plato said and
00:38:13.900 i'm quoting here those who tell the stories rule society so that's why he wrote so much about
00:38:18.120 telling stories to youth in the republic and other places paul auster is another one and he said this
00:38:23.180 quote stories shape reality and those stories therefore shape human beings so i think um you
00:38:28.840 know somebody that i learned this a lot from is uh lee habib lee is i think a president at salem
00:38:34.200 radio but he said one of the failures of conservatives is that they let the left tell
00:38:38.800 the story of america so true and it's been cultural suicide and lee was really good about
00:38:42.960 this he's like why why are people on the left so much better at telling stories whereas like
00:38:47.620 You know, Republicans and conservatives, even people in our camp,
00:38:51.420 a lot of times we're like data number systematic theology guys.
00:38:54.840 Yeah.
00:38:55.240 And the people on the left are telling these amazing, beautiful stories.
00:38:58.700 And unfortunately, a lot of times they're just not true.
00:39:01.200 You know, they're doing things like glorifying sin.
00:39:03.480 But I can think of something like the Lord of the Rings.
00:39:06.880 How many people do you know who are like, you know what changed my life?
00:39:10.140 It was Wayne Grudem's systematic theology.
00:39:14.240 Okay, take that person.
00:39:15.580 Now, I loved a lot of his systematic theology.
00:39:17.920 I'm not knocking it.
00:39:19.080 But I'm saying now take the person who says Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings or the Chronicles of Narnia.
00:39:24.560 Like, Lord of the Rings does something to your heart that makes you love truth.
00:39:29.640 And so what I would say in all of this is the conservatives, Christians especially, we just need to get so much better at understanding how stories and narrative works.
00:39:37.840 Yep.
00:39:38.440 And that we need to be the ones who are actually competing fiercely for this space.
00:39:42.000 it's like, you know, Lewis talked about stories and poetry and art as sneaking past the watchful
00:39:49.040 dragons that guard your heart. And those watchful dragons are things like familiarity, you know,
00:39:54.500 that you're, you're so familiar with, with these rote didactic concepts. Like, yeah, I learned my
00:39:59.540 catechism and that's good stuff. Like, it's great. I learned my theology, but then why is it that
00:40:04.500 still kids who know their catechism end up being discipled by Disney plus? Well, it's because story
00:40:09.980 sneaks it goes right around those dragons and that are guarding your heart and it gets right
00:40:15.140 into the center of it so you need i mean this is why i'm so uh you know pro you need guys like
00:40:21.880 nd wilson oh big time who are writing fantasy novels and writing novels for children and young
00:40:28.400 adults and that are good good for adults too that embody and and put into in story um the the
00:40:35.700 Christian faith. We need every generation. You need Christian artists and Christian novelists
00:40:42.840 and Christian poets, Christian musicians who will come in and say, yeah, like Noah Gunderson,
00:40:49.920 the apostate, is indoctrinating teenage kids with his music to abandon the living God
00:40:56.460 because his music is beautiful. And what you need are Christian artists and Christian novelists.
00:41:03.100 what we're emphatically not wanting to do with this podcast is just convince a bunch of people
00:41:07.780 to become to get more systematic theologians out there we need guys who are doing everything from
00:41:13.600 like being christian plumbers to being christian authors because it man is not just a brain on a
00:41:18.680 stick you know walking around yeah i think that's huge and i think part of this is uh how do you
00:41:23.740 conceptualize man is purely this psychological like when you you ask people today they're like
00:41:29.000 why did you do what you did well i had the serotonin was firing and yeah you know it's this
00:41:33.520 uh it's all the mind like the brain in your head and psychological and thoughts and ideas
00:41:38.420 but i i think you're absolutely right the way we bypass that is you tell a better story that
00:41:43.520 people want to be a part of this is why liturgy is so important too yeah and this is what i was
00:41:47.760 going to say brian is is are we you know i don't know what you would call it homo psychologia or
00:41:52.460 whatever it would the latin be but maybe we're actually homo liturgicus yeah like we are man
00:41:58.100 as a liturgical animal, and the whole point of the liturgy is training your heart to love things.
00:42:03.520 Yeah. Homo sapien means wise man, literally. Wise man or thinking man, sapient. And I think
00:42:11.540 maybe it was Doug that said we should really actually come homo aderans, worshiping man.
00:42:15.920 You know, because we are what we worship, and we worship what we love. We love what we see and
00:42:21.680 behold as beautiful and good and true and glorious. And so that's why when, this is why
00:42:27.040 something like gay marriage wedding photography is such a hill to die on because what they're
00:42:31.660 asking you to do in taking pictures for a gay marriage ceremony gay mirage ceremony is you're
00:42:38.200 you're supposed to be making this look beautiful so that people will look at it and say wow
00:42:42.880 that's glorious look at those dudes kissing each other that's so beautiful yeah normalizing sin
00:42:48.160 not that's how they do it not showing any of the health or negative effects down oh yeah they're
00:42:53.200 not going to show like uh you know a bunch of hemorrhoids from men sodomizing one another yeah
00:42:58.500 right you know i'm such a big fan of the classics i really don't want to talk about that anymore so
00:43:02.800 yeah i'm such a big fan of the classics the classics being of western civilization the western
00:43:08.840 canon and you'll notice most of those books most of them with like you know a few exceptions are
00:43:16.060 stories there's stories because that have have staying power and so what would you put on that
00:43:24.100 list odyssey oh yeah the odyssey and the aeneid uh i don't know there's um russian authors oh yeah
00:43:31.300 dostoevsky yeah i crime and punishment i think is probably my favorite book i think it's one of
00:43:36.400 the best books ever written what about the bible dan that's not inspired he headed me off yeah
00:43:41.920 Tolstoy you know some of the Russian guys they're pretty good uh I just read um what's his face
00:43:48.020 the Spanish guy you can tell you're talking really like real Don Quixote Don Quixote Don Quixote
00:43:53.720 uh anyway phenomenal book really a slog anyway these there's a reason that those books have
00:44:00.820 staying power it's because of human stories and there's something recognized in that across time
00:44:06.900 and cultures by humans that have special insight into our humanity. The issues of humanity,
00:44:14.720 the valor of certain men and transcending our mundane everyday lives in acts of valor and
00:44:22.440 sacrifice and virtue. And those things do change people. Like you had said, who has been changed
00:44:28.880 by a systematic theology? Like, well, your mind has been changed, but you don't read a systematic
00:44:34.160 theology book and then think i'm gonna go and fight i'm gonna charge the build i'm gonna yeah
00:44:40.660 right no you hear stories about like chesty puller or about william wallace or some of these great
00:44:46.300 men caleb yeah caleb or gideon or any of these guys and you're like yes i i am going to i want
00:44:53.900 to be like that guy like that person and that's why the image of god being in a man is so important
00:45:01.880 God putting on flesh
00:45:03.680 and walking among us so that
00:45:05.860 we had something that we could
00:45:08.000 aim for as one of the
00:45:10.100 right uses of the law. It's
00:45:11.600 one of the reasons why, I'm not going to say his name out
00:45:14.080 loud, I'm going to spell it because I think we will get centered
00:45:15.980 by the A-I, A-L-E-X-J-O-N-E-S
00:45:18.860 It's why he's always
00:45:20.180 yelling and doing these
00:45:22.100 battle cries like, you will eat
00:45:24.100 the steak, you will live in the land
00:45:25.880 you will have a beautiful wife and
00:45:28.000 five children and you will catechize them in the Christian
00:45:30.100 faith and you will not be turned gay by the water and you will not drink the fluoride like there's
00:45:34.620 a reason that take the ducks home yeah take the anybody can take the ducks the ducks are free
00:45:39.940 like there's a reason that he has millions of people listening to him and it's because he
00:45:45.400 doesn't go we are now going to go off on a very intellectual treatise on how the modern culture
00:45:50.480 is making you gay no he's like passionately inspiring you and telling a story yeah i was
00:45:56.640 going to say last thing and you know thinking of some practical things here pastorally i think the
00:46:01.880 black church in the south is really good at this uh so recently i've been exposed to a lot of guys
00:46:06.460 through media industry talking to black pastors um some of them who've been around since and with
00:46:11.540 martin luther king jr i was talking to one guy this week who was in the montgomery church when
00:46:15.840 it was bombed with mlk and this is one of the most base dudes on the planet and he's he's he's
00:46:20.780 talking and i'm listening to him preach and i'm thinking to myself they are so good at telling
00:46:25.300 a story, using words
00:46:27.580 in a way that is just, like, you find
00:46:29.440 yourself getting sucked in further and further
00:46:31.680 and further. He does not stand up there and be
00:46:33.540 like, yeah, page one of the phone book.
00:46:36.000 Yeah, starting with the A's.
00:46:38.320 Adams. Aardvark.
00:46:39.860 The Aardvark fan. You know who is
00:46:41.380 a really good storyteller, by the way? I'm gonna
00:46:43.540 plug one of our friends. Brandon Meeks.
00:46:46.020 Oh, yeah. At No Jesuit Tricks.
00:46:47.660 At No Jesuit Tricks. On
00:46:49.580 Twitter. Every Sunday,
00:46:51.520 I'm pretty sure, every Sunday he comes out
00:46:53.580 with a story and i i mean i can't believe twitter's free like he should be charging them well you guys
00:46:59.620 should go support him on where you know i think he's got a patreon or he's got he's got some kind
00:47:03.180 of thing you can go support him yes yes so you should you should definitely go onto twitter
00:47:07.880 read him and then support him because yeah after you read his stories his last one this last week
00:47:13.020 the intruder yeah the intruder i mean that is yeah that was gold did you read that you didn't
00:47:18.440 someday one of these days we'll have to get uh meeks on here yeah i was thinking about that i
00:47:23.860 mean i'm dead serious i was thinking about offering him money to give me advice on how to write
00:47:28.460 stories like he does yeah like i will give you money make me and i have a feeling that his answer
00:47:33.060 would be well you need to live in the south for you know 40 years yeah and read a lot of really
00:47:38.400 amazing yeah and then you might have a chance but credible preacher too so yeah so guys let's let's
00:47:44.740 keep moving because we're starting to get into some of the other categories here in the confession
00:47:48.320 of faith of the humanists and the demonic ideologies that are in the land. The second
00:47:54.720 entry in their confession is that, so not only is, what have we said so far? Man is good. Rousseau,
00:48:02.800 the natural man. You know, we can look at Baruch de Spinoza. There are other people who are
00:48:06.740 influential there. Descartes had a lot to do with that. But we also have, number two, man is animal.
00:48:12.520 Man is animal. You know, think about this. You have, I think he died, what did I say,
00:48:17.120 the end of the 1700s, Rousseau dies. Beginning of the 1800s, Charles Darwin is born. And a lot
00:48:24.340 of the ideas about this psychological man as good, the noble savage, his nature is good.
00:48:32.200 One of the things that results from that is that man is kind of malleable, right? That his nature
00:48:37.200 can change, that he can, you know, he's a plastic sort of stretchy clay. You can move him around
00:48:43.420 and bend them into different shapes. And one of the ideologies that helped that become culturally
00:48:51.060 normal, to think of people as having basically rubber and clay selves that they could mold
00:48:56.780 themselves, is actually, believe it or not, Darwinism. It's this idea from Darwin that man
00:49:02.140 is just a highly evolved animal. So a lot of his ideas, Darwin's ideas, weren't original to him.
00:49:07.460 It's not like all of a sudden in the 1800s, someone for the first time thought, maybe people
00:49:11.860 came from animals, right? You can go back to the ancient Greeks and find proto-evolutionary
00:49:17.080 ideologies. And also before that in the scientific revolution, you can find proto-Darwinian
00:49:21.900 evolution ideas. Darwin became the most influential kind of headwaters of this idea
00:49:28.080 that man is literally animalian. And animalian refers to the taxonomic kingdom that includes
00:49:35.040 all animals. So if you pick up like a 10th grade, I remember this, you pick up a 10th grade biology
00:49:39.180 book and a textbook, and it will say that the animalian is a taxonomic kingdom that includes
00:49:44.380 all animals, including humans. And it just casually slips those two words in there in a way that
00:49:50.240 actually blows up everything, that man is animal. You know, Western man had already been building his
00:49:56.840 intellectual and philosophical babble in defiance against the living God by the time Darwin came
00:50:02.280 along. But what Darwin did was he gave man the last needed excuse to sort of cast off all vestiges
00:50:09.580 of the Christian faith. Like Richard Dawkins wrote in his highly influential book in 1986,
00:50:15.360 The Blind Watchmaker. Even if you don't know the title of that, you've heard ideas from this book.
00:50:19.920 He said, quote, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. And since then,
00:50:26.980 Darwinism and all of the, you know, successors of neo-Darwinism has been what another new atheist,
00:50:33.100 Daniel Dennett, called a universal acid, eating its way through just about every traditional
00:50:37.460 concept and leaving in its wake a revolutionized worldview. So from Rousseau and the psychological,
00:50:44.480 the psychologizing of human beings and the, you know, preaching the innate goodness,
00:50:48.880 we have this second entry in the confession of faith of modern man, which is that man is an
00:50:54.020 animal do you guys think it's fair to say that most people assume that darwinism is true in our
00:50:59.240 culture and most people believe that it as a story the story of how we came here the origin story
00:51:06.200 yeah i think it absolutely does um i'm often shocked having read sort of been red-pilled
00:51:11.060 obviously now uh about creationism when you when you grow up in the world you don't realize how
00:51:16.180 much darwinism is everywhere oh yeah and how many of the really ridiculous stupid claims that they
00:51:20.920 make that people are like oh yeah that's true like it's always like well 10 billion years ago
00:51:25.760 on a tuesday a turtle ate a frog and you were birthed and people are like yeah naturally that
00:51:29.980 does actually make sense you know a lot of the claims are completely foolish but but i was even
00:51:34.660 thinking and again a lot of literature a lot of you know popular areas on twitter you can think
00:51:39.160 about paleo uh the people who are into like eating meat and wearing vibram like you know not wearing
00:51:43.660 like you know padded shoes and stuff like this these people all of it is based on a fundamental
00:51:48.200 assumption that we evolved from something like an animal and that that prior state was better so
00:51:53.840 there's just so many errors in thinking i would say that are wrapped up in this the other thing
00:51:58.760 that's interesting about it is i would say adopted by a lot of christians today so what's weird is
00:52:03.920 that you can have dawkins say that like look evolution is great because it's the acid that
00:52:08.340 destroys christianity and christians are like no i think these are compatible yeah genesis was really
00:52:14.320 talking about like billions of billions and billions that we need that in our soundboard
00:52:19.820 billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of years and you know
00:52:28.420 there was like in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth and what that really means
00:52:32.900 is in the beginning god created some rocks we're struck by lightning we're adam and eve really
00:52:38.860 historical people oh they weren't guess what human sexuality out the window they emerged from
00:52:44.140 a group of proto hominids that uh that uh you know it's a metaphorical story that tells the
00:52:50.240 origins of our cultural I told you that we'd start speaking with a nasally voice eventually if we kept
00:52:55.880 bringing up these big intellectual names here's what I'll say Eric I agree with you and the reason
00:53:00.320 I agree that I was thinking about do most people actually believe this I mean this is insane like
00:53:05.580 what other creature can make oil paintings yeah architecture code a computer or mine the you know
00:53:13.620 the materials that are necessary to make a microchip right i mean it to me it's just i mean
00:53:18.620 it's stupid it's this is silly yeah i mean even even like you're kind of getting at the link
00:53:23.260 between say like gorillas yeah people are like oh we came from chimps i'm like a chimp can't do like
00:53:28.020 one oh no it can use a stick and it sticks it in an ant's yeah so that it can ant so it uses a tool
00:53:34.740 therefore it's a highly intelligent b i'm like my kid who can barely walk knows how to use a fork
00:53:40.500 I mean, come on.
00:53:41.560 Yeah, come on.
00:53:41.940 So anyway, the reason I say that I agree that I think a majority of people would believe this is because of the Christians, because you get a good barometer based on social pressures, because of the new atheists, they're not intellectually honest.
00:53:57.000 And so their main goal is to attack through ad hominem attacks to make people feel like idiots.
00:54:04.020 And so Christians being somewhat naive at times because they don't know the playbook of the enemy being they're going to make you play by their own rules, they tend to be more agreeable.
00:54:16.120 And so this is one of the areas where they try to find common ground, I believe, is because they look at certain geological structures and they see the layers and it's right there.
00:54:27.000 And somebody says, yeah, that's, you know, there's billions of years in evidence here, all the layers, we're going to identify them.
00:54:32.880 you'd have to be an absolute idiot and a sucker you know are do you do the do you have a season
00:54:38.580 pass for the ark tour ken ham is that your thing you know like that's the kind of and that's the
00:54:43.100 rhetoric they use yeah and so it becomes invaded you know it invades the christian community the
00:54:49.900 christian faith and they try to compatibilize it yeah and and the the on the practical level how
00:54:55.400 did they how did we get here well because they hijacked the public education system oh right
00:55:00.100 Absolutely.
00:55:00.800 I mean, it's through and through hijacked.
00:55:02.780 So again, you know, you tie this all to like, okay, on the Christian view, like, well, how
00:55:07.240 would we win in a view of like instilling Christendom in people and creation?
00:55:11.840 The world that God made and what he made you for is the source of all morality.
00:55:16.480 Yeah.
00:55:17.020 Well, you would teach your kids to fear the Lord.
00:55:19.880 Yeah.
00:55:20.340 You would teach your kids in such a way that they would have Douglas Wilson's reaction
00:55:24.780 to evolution.
00:55:25.840 He wrote an article, I think, I might get this wrong, stuffed on my head.
00:55:28.240 I think he wrote an article called Evolution as an Uncommonly Silly Idea, where basically Doug goes, look, you guys, evolution is wrong, right?
00:55:39.440 And we can give some – like we could go Stephen Myers.
00:55:41.880 Stephen Myers is an evolutionary biologist, Christian, has written some absolutely devastating critiques of Darwinism from an internal critique, meaning that he adopts their whole timeline.
00:55:53.440 I think he actually believes that, you know, he believes all of the timeline stuff, the billions of years, whatever.
00:55:58.460 So he's wrong on that.
00:55:59.260 But Stephen Myers, he's trained by these guys.
00:56:02.320 He was a biologist working in labs doing experiments, like highly trained dude.
00:56:06.600 And he's written these books that basically he just walks through like, okay, the Cambrian explosion problem.
00:56:11.880 And he gives us devastating internal critique.
00:56:14.340 You could read it.
00:56:15.180 And I don't know how you could affirm evolutionary biology as a coherent scientific idea after reading his works.
00:56:23.440 And that's what we need to do is, I think you talked about this in a Sunday school, right?
00:56:26.520 But we need to pat them on the head and be like, that's a silly idea.
00:56:29.440 That's nice.
00:56:30.080 And so you've got Stephen Myers.
00:56:31.500 Great.
00:56:31.880 I'm really glad he's doing that work.
00:56:34.280 And yeah.
00:56:34.960 But what I think Doug's approach there is actually we need to take it a step farther and do that.
00:56:39.600 And say, wait a second.
00:56:40.820 Can I repeat what you're telling me for a second?
00:56:42.760 Out loud.
00:56:43.300 Out loud.
00:56:43.880 You believe.
00:56:44.600 And if you saw 8th Century Woodshipper on Twitter, he shared a picture of the most detailed snapshot of a cell.
00:56:51.800 It was like a very simple cell.
00:56:53.440 And you look at this and you're like, it is the most intricate, it is magnitudes, orders of magnitude more complex than the most complex microchip that we've ever made.
00:57:02.960 And it's self-replicating.
00:57:05.840 And you look at that and you're saying that that came about because a long, long time ago, some lightning struck some water and then some stuff happened.
00:57:16.640 And then, boom, we came out of the goo.
00:57:19.700 Okay, dear, that's nice.
00:57:21.020 You should go have a nap and maybe a snack.
00:57:23.120 You know, like Doug Wilson talks about our response to evolution, and we need to train our kids like this.
00:57:28.300 It should be a good horse laugh, not like treating it as a serious idea.
00:57:33.340 It's one of my favorite things, actually, when we go to the zoo, especially my middle son.
00:57:37.620 People will give me like a presentation, and it'll be like, that's not true.
00:57:41.440 Yes.
00:57:41.980 He just laughs.
00:57:43.360 That's not true.
00:57:44.040 I'm sorry.
00:57:44.460 I shouldn't say his name.
00:57:45.380 That's not true.
00:57:46.340 Ray, beep that out.
00:57:47.840 Oh, beep that out, too.
00:57:49.340 Oh, man.
00:57:50.080 For Eric's wife.
00:57:50.740 Oh, man.
00:57:51.880 Why don't you give him his address, too?
00:57:53.460 I know, might as well.
00:57:54.380 He lives at, Ray, bleep this out.
00:57:56.460 He lives at a drive on Utah.
00:58:00.260 So, I mean, it should be obvious.
00:58:01.700 Every one of these philosophies that we're examining is an attempt to throw off God.
00:58:07.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:58:07.620 It's an attempt to say, you are actually not my creator.
00:58:11.920 You are not the answer.
00:58:13.860 You are not my hope.
00:58:15.320 And so with created man, what ends up happening is you have a creature-creator distinction,
00:58:20.320 and you are not allowed to identify yourself.
00:58:23.520 Right, right.
00:58:24.620 You're not allowed to create yourself.
00:58:26.660 Same thing with psychological man.
00:58:28.320 Yeah.
00:58:28.860 You know, or the Rousseauian idea is that it allows you to shed,
00:58:35.420 attempt to shed the creator who made you
00:58:37.840 and your responsibilities to him and to worship him.
00:58:40.460 I think the difference is like Nietzsche and even Freud,
00:58:43.800 like they were more honest about that than maybe people are today.
00:58:47.900 So you read them and they're like, yeah, we want to replace God.
00:58:50.320 Right. Okay, actually, I want to pause here. This is going to be two episodes, by the way. There's no way we're going to get through this in a reasonable amount of time. And we'll continue to flesh out a strategy for chopping down those high places and seeing those enslaved to these demonic ideologies, free to sonship and citizenship in God's good kingdom.
00:59:08.660 And before we go, since I have the mic, let me encourage you to check out another podcast in our network, Bright Hearth, in which my wife and I are actually aiming to equip Christians to recover the lost arts of homemaking in the productive Christian household.
00:59:23.180 This one is going to be, it's for men and women.
00:59:25.940 It's especially helpful, I think, to the ladies.
00:59:29.020 I think it's a good companion, a good blue-collar practical companion to the work of this show in our aim here.
00:59:34.460 But thanks again for listening.
00:59:35.820 And remember, Festin Alente, make haste slowly.
00:59:39.940 Godspeed, and we'll see you next time in the King's Hall.
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