00:11:14.220One of you, you must die. Shoot to kill the boar. White man, you must die.1.00
00:11:19.260In his book, Kill the Boar, Ernst Rhoetz provides data behind the decades of Afrikaner farm murders1.00
00:11:25.440and tells the many tragic stories of those murdered by blacks.
00:11:30.040Rhoetz is an attorney and CEO of Afriforum, which seeks to defend the rights of white Christians in South Africa.
00:11:36.300He even appeared on Tucker Carlson's podcast in March of 2025 to talk about a white genocide
00:11:42.360that most media outlets refuse to cover, let alone acknowledge.
00:11:47.420Data on farm murders is hard to track since the South African government doesn't have a vested interest in reporting it and often doesn't at all.
00:11:55.380Even so, Fox News has gone so far as to say that corruption in the South African government led officials there to cover up the white genocide happening under their rule.
00:12:06.480Reuters wrote the following in an article.
00:12:09.200In a country cursed by one of the world's highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk.
00:12:16.460Some of South Africa's predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide.
00:12:24.500Roach does a good job showing that even with the limited data available, murders have occurred at an alarming rate.
00:12:31.040From 2001 to 2007, for example, 587 farm murders were committed during 4,869 farm attacks.
00:12:40.600On average, this means 98 murders and 812 attacks occurred per year, or roughly two murders per week.
00:12:48.840Because of the farm murders, Genocide Watch has continued to rate South Africa as a powder keg of potential racial violence committed against whites.
00:12:58.260While volumes could be written about Mandela, Marxism, and the West's guilty role in furthering racial hatred and murder against white Christians in South Africa,
00:13:07.200The reality is that South Africa stands as an example of where the gay-raced communist agenda seeks to take a nation.0.78
00:13:15.580It may start with liberal Marxist professors pushing radical sexual liberation or civil rights politics, as happened in America in the 1960s and 70s,0.87
00:13:25.500but it ends with intensified racial animosity and unchecked violence against whites.
00:13:31.460It may start in the classroom, but it ends at the barrel of a gun.
00:13:35.660As Jeremy Carl has demonstrated in his great book,
00:14:02.760While being restrained by a white cop, as was the case with Officer Derek Chauvin and career criminal George Floyd, the black Floyd was given a martyr's funeral.0.57
00:14:12.580Chauvin was sent to prison to make an example of him to the rest of the white populace.0.77
00:14:17.540This is what happens when you try to enforce law and order on us.0.56
00:14:21.120When the white Austin Metcalf, age 17, was stabbed to death on April 2nd, 2025 by the black Carmelo Anthony over a rather insignificant argument, several GoFundMe accounts were started, not for Metcalf, but for Anthony.0.71
00:14:36.720Again, the aim of the regime, which includes the mass media strong arm, is to vilify white people, excuse black crimes of violence, and punish white people through lawfare.0.72
00:14:47.940This is where all that talk of white oppression and racial equality eventually leads.0.83
00:14:53.160It may begin with the Civil Rights Act of 1964,0.89
00:14:56.280but it ends with South African-style genocide of whites.0.52
00:15:00.120It begins with wokeness, DEI, and BLM marches,
00:15:03.540which are nothing but softer, more palatable forms of revolution, by the way.
00:15:07.700But it ends in widespread violence and the total breakdown of law and order.0.98
00:15:12.160America is in stage 2B of gay race communism, we might say,0.97
00:17:36.420However much you hate journalists, you don't hate them enough.
00:17:40.240The same could be said about a great number of politicians, especially those presiding in a major urban area.
00:17:46.320In the days following the incident, with major media outlets totally refraining from covering the story,0.96
00:17:52.020it became clear that unless Musk had bought Twitter and loosened the screws on the gay-raced communist censorship machine,0.91
00:17:58.860we the public likely wouldn't know of this brutal murder at all.1.00
00:18:02.180How many other Irenas have been brutally murdered by feral Blacks in this country?0.98
00:18:07.440How many of these stories have they suppressed?0.59
00:18:09.620As a case in point, unless you think this was an isolated incident, on September 6th, 2025, it was reported by 1819 News that retired Auburn professor, 59-year-old Dr. Julie Schnell, a white woman, was dragged and then stabbed to death by a Black man, Harold Rashad Dabney III, in a park where she liked to walk her dog and run.
00:18:32.180Dabney then stole her vehicle, after which he was quickly apprehended and charged with capital murder.
00:18:37.820Again, national news all but ignored the story, most likely because it doesn't fit the elite's preferred narrative of white oppression.
00:18:44.880This kind of violence against whites is the natural and inevitable result of decades of intensifying rhetoric from the regime about white oppression and the alleged victim status of blacks.
00:18:57.560It's what happens when anti-white policies are institutionalized and propagandized by a media elite that wishes for the downfall of white Western Christian civilization.0.92
00:19:07.820From kindergarten to college, our young people have been indoctrinated to hate the white race, to consider the white race the chief villain of history, and to despise their own forefathers.0.99
00:19:18.860Meanwhile, we're taught to ignore the shocking and besetting sins of racial groups like blacks,0.98
00:19:24.180who make up less than 13% of the population, but commit 54% of murders on an annual basis.1.00
00:19:31.480In a tragic rendition of Hans Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Clothes,
00:19:36.000we're all catechized to deny what our eyes see.
00:19:38.700The emperor, in fact, is naked, even as CNN applauds the splendor of his apparel.0.74
00:19:43.980But what happens when we start to see the racial realities in their stark nakedness?0.87
00:19:49.360What happens when they're set free for the public to witness?0.65
00:19:53.120What happens when cracks start to form in the big lie?
00:19:56.920What we see is that America has a racial problem.
00:20:00.140And the incident with the girl on the train seems to be something of a breaking point.
00:20:04.700Many Americans are waking up to the lie of the civil rights era
00:20:07.840that was supposedly to usher in racial equality, but instead brought exactly the opposite.
00:20:12.680more violence against whites, more discord, more dysfunction.
00:20:17.360There's something about the footage from Charlotte.0.70
00:20:19.520There's something about watching a young white woman bleed to death on a train,1.00
00:20:23.680black criminal hulking over her tiny frame1.00
00:20:26.100that seems to have unleashed millions of whites in America1.00
00:20:29.520to finally start telling the truth about black culture and black violence.1.00
00:20:34.280More people are willing to say what our elites forbade us from even thinking.1.00
00:20:38.620Blacks have a violence, rape, murder, and fatherlessness problem.1.00
00:20:43.420Many of them, at astonishing rates, act like brutal animals.1.00
00:20:48.220White people aren't the oppressors.0.99
00:20:50.200When it comes to violent crimes and many other social evils, they're actually the victims.0.90
00:20:54.620As Matt Walsh recently pointed out on his show,1.00
00:20:57.320young black men in America are probably the most violent group of people on planet Earth.1.00
00:21:02.320Statistically, a white person is 30 times more likely to be killed by a black person1.00
00:21:36.940There are 171 million more white people in the country than blacks, and yet there are more black interracial killers.0.99
00:21:43.960By raw numbers, young black males in particular are in order of magnitude more violent and more likely to commit crimes than any other group in the country.0.99
00:21:52.380Black men are 5 or 6 percent of the population.0.99
00:21:54.900They commit the majority of murders in the country.1.00
00:21:57.260That makes black males in America more dangerous than perhaps any demographic in the entire country, bar none.0.99
00:22:04.560Cultural Marxism has rotted our civilization down to the timbers.0.98
00:22:09.040And though we don't have gulags, we also don't need them.
00:22:12.320As Diana West says in her book, American Betrayal,
00:23:26.940We are responsible for our own thoughts, our own words, our own actions.
00:23:32.780So for those with the courage to act, with the courage to be hated and opposed and reviled as racists and all of their other most cherished epithets, the question is simple.
00:23:43.920Perhaps we start with the civil rights movement, the big lie of Marxist egalitarianism, that race and culture and behavior and sexuality were all social constructs.
00:23:52.820all infinitely malleable lumps of societal goo ready to be formed on the potter's wheel of
00:23:58.780globalist elites or the idea that all races are morally socially and in every way equal
00:24:04.320we're told to be colorblind which primarily turned out to mean ignoring the obvious traits
00:24:10.020and behaviors of different races it meant pretending like they were all equally righteous
00:24:15.460we were told to judge men of color by the content of their character not the color of their skin
00:24:20.340But then we were forbidden from actually doing the former, from actually judging black men by the content of their character again and again.
00:24:29.080We were lectured by Barack Obama about how white people wrongly profile black kids in the hood, about how black parents had to have the talk with their children.
00:24:38.840As Pastor Joel Webin recently pointed out, however, the talk that needs to happen is between white parents and their children.
00:24:46.380Don't take public transit in a majority black neighborhood like Charlotte or Chicago or Atlanta.0.56
00:24:51.040If you're driving through East St. Louis, which you shouldn't, lock your doors and get out immediately.1.00
00:24:55.580You're likely to get stabbed to death.1.00
00:24:57.500Yes, you should definitely recognize the color of their skin, especially if they're black men.0.99
00:25:03.040Webbin is, of course, alluding to the 2012 article that led to the firing of author John Derbyshire from the National Review.
00:25:09.660The title was The Talk, the non-black version, where Derbyshire made a similar point.
00:25:15.180this bit of wrong think cost him dearly at the time but not because he was incorrect or even0.61
00:25:21.920unkind or unreasonable in the article no he was canned for violating the blasphemy laws of gay
00:25:28.080race communism we were told that christian civilization was the real villain with its0.65
00:25:33.460hierarchy and social order and outdated moral codes it sought to turn the so-called oppressors
00:25:39.220white Christians, into the oppressed by legally, socially, and economically crushing them.0.88
00:25:45.660It used the government leviathan to do its bidding. It told this story over and over again0.84
00:25:50.640in the press, in the classroom, and in the courtroom. Minority crimes would be excused.0.94
00:25:55.620White crimes would be vindictively and unjustly punished. As Diana West wrote,
00:26:00.360we have become heirs to a false and hollow history, unwitting participants, perpetuating
00:33:56.060Meanwhile, we got, you know, George Floyd footage immediately, 24-7, every media news channel.
00:34:03.080So you see these things, and I think something is definitely, there's a switch that's being flipped in people's minds, particularly if you're on X.
00:34:10.860Where people are saying, essentially, I think people have had enough.
00:34:15.800You've got people actually willing to say things that in my lifetime, no one was willing to say publicly.
00:34:21.120No, I've seen things on X in the last week that are not only out there without being deleted by the censorship machine, but also liked and shared by tens of thousands of people, not even thousands, tens of thousands of people.
00:34:38.780Elon Musk retweeting them and demanding justice and visibility, things that people are saying that are so far into the category of wrong think from even three to five years ago that it was astonishing.
00:34:55.640But then I was standing back this week reading some of it and going, this is the kind of stuff that any one of these people had said three to five years ago would have been canceled national news, removed from every post.
00:35:08.560So you go back and read that Darvishar, the John Darvishar article from 2012 of the talk that Joel referenced this week.
00:35:15.580I think he was referencing it this week about, and I've done this same thing, had this talk with my children.0.85
00:35:21.080Like if you see a group of people like this, of this demographic in Utah, it's actually more like if you see a group of Hispanic gangbanger looking guys.
00:35:30.240but if you see you know basically a group of minorities in this part of town this part of0.94
00:35:36.080town this area at the walmart don't stop the car they're not driving yet but you know you don't0.72
00:35:41.400stop you don't uh you don't escalate you try to get out of there as quick as you can the best
00:35:46.940defense is avoiding these situations altogether um you know we've had these talks but that article
00:35:53.220got him completely banished i mean he was canceled everywhere from the national review
00:35:58.940and if you go read it it's like the most mild article he like goes out of his way to talk
00:36:04.840about how of course it's not everyone there are individual blacks who are this and that
00:36:08.920and neurosurgeons and blah blah blah and you're gonna have but the law of large numbers kicks in
00:36:12.920you're gonna have these experiences son daughter so be ready for them well it's interesting even
00:36:17.960with uh irena that the there were a lot of black people i saw uh on tiktok and and on x who were0.78
00:36:25.520saying hey just word of the wise for white people like you should not be writing public transit with0.97
00:36:30.260black people like that so even black people are saying i can see with my own eyes that's not a0.99
00:36:35.300good environment to be in oh yeah there was a there was a tweet that was going around today1.00
00:36:39.880and this week that was actually from several years ago where it was some liberal white woman
00:36:45.140making fun of conservatives saying conservative like it must be wild to be conservative imagine1.00
00:36:49.080being scared to ride the bus and it was like being right wing could save your life yeah because the
00:36:54.960the thing conservatives by and large are, it's a spectrum. You have useful idiot conservatives1.00
00:37:00.160for certain, but conservatives generally are those who are willing to tell the truth0.99
00:37:03.940about reality, about social hierarchy, about a lot of these issues. And then liberals are those who
00:37:11.280invent a new truth and enforce it rigorously. Uh, so even that's just such a good example of
00:37:17.320like, Oh, you're so silly conservatives for having that kind of talk and saying,0.91
00:37:20.880avoid this area, avoid areas. Um, I had a talk with a guy in a church maybe three years ago.0.98
00:37:26.300He asked me, he was really struggling with this. And he said, um, you know, pastor my whole, um,
00:37:34.440my whole economic policy, like this is how I think the reason I live here. Um, the reason
00:37:40.500I chose the neighborhood I did, et cetera, was I was thinking how far away can I get1.00
00:37:44.400from concentrated areas of minorities, blacks or Hispanics? How far away can I get from those1.00
00:37:50.760people trying to keep my family, my kids as far away. And he was pretty broken up. Cause you think
00:37:55.100three years ago, five years ago, the rhetoric was you're basically Satan. You're the worst person1.00
00:38:00.300alive. If you're not actively seeking out living in interethnic communities and, you know, saying1.00
00:38:06.880anything like that about violent crime, you're just a racist, you're evil, you're wicked. Um,0.99
00:38:12.700and I told him, I was like, no, you're being a good dad. That's actually just reasonable and
00:38:19.980rational it's a rational policy it's why we live where we do it's in not where we don't yeah same
00:38:24.920i mean you know we've we've talked about this but living in inner city ogden and some of the0.99
00:38:29.040minority communities which i've done uh i did it for about a year and i got tired of having0.96
00:38:35.680property stolen yeah i got tired of being accosted late at night at my door by people you know black
00:38:42.540people with face tats and brown people with face tats and yeah we talked we prayed about it we
00:38:48.800looked and it's like okay well we're going to the suburbs we're moving out of this area and what do0.59
00:38:53.620you know you end up in a pretty white mormon area that's safe people leave their garages open at
00:38:58.380night nobody takes anything but a big factor was realistically my wife told me at one point she
00:39:03.940said i do not feel comfortable taking the kids for a walk yeah to the park we moved out of the
00:39:09.700same neighborhood and i i literally i literally said to her i was like well it's my job as a
00:39:14.580husband to protect you. And I would be a fool. Like I, at that point I was like, I don't want0.99
00:39:18.900you going anywhere without a, you know, one of the older boys or myself with you and, you know,
00:39:24.960being protected. Yeah. We had, um, the house we lived in a couple of blocks from where your house
00:39:29.360that you're talking about now, we lived for a couple of years, two years. And, um, we had a
00:39:35.060murder committed 200 yards away, a murder committed 400 yards away, a house, two doors down, the
00:39:41.140little kid that would play with our kids. His dad was arrested. Hispanic guy was arrested for
00:39:46.500sexual molestation. So issues like that. And we eventually just said, we can't do this. In fact,0.84
00:39:52.160one of those murders was a man who attended our church. Really? Yeah. He was a semi kind of
00:39:57.380homeless guy. Churches, you know, you usually have a few of these kinds of guys that show up.
00:40:01.080You try to be merciful and kind to them. He was like an older white guy, some kind of mental0.57
00:40:06.200handicap for sure. And, and we, you know, keep an eye on him, but he came to service and would0.89
00:40:10.840attend. We would talk to him and try to see if we could help him. He was murdered just randomly
00:40:16.800by a violent Hispanic man, not too far from the church. And it was like, you, you think of the
00:40:27.080programming that you receive. I think of the programming that I haven't received coming up
00:40:30.780through the era of we were calvary chapel but um young restless reformed adjacent kind of calvary
00:40:36.900chapel for certain calvary chapel is pretty anti-calvinist but there was still a lot of people
00:40:41.420who were listening to mark driscoll and i was one of them we were kind of in that realm and then out
00:40:46.760of that era into the the post mark driscoll uh acts 29 years we were very adjacent to that we
00:40:54.300were in a church planning network that started out of acts 29 for a time before we left over this
00:40:58.240kind of stuff, but the programming you receive. Oh yeah. The programming you received, Cosper was
00:41:04.620involved. Mike Cosper of course was involved, um, was looking back so wicked, so evil. And what it
00:41:13.600did was it, it trained people in the fear of man to, to, to fear above all things being convicted
00:41:20.420in the court of public opinion or by your pastoral peers for saying anything that would recognize
00:41:26.700reality about some of these racial dynamics and violence and wickedness. And also I should0.99
00:41:34.700mention when it comes to black churches and a lot of minority churches, absolute theological1.00
00:41:39.660disasters as well. You weren't allowed to note any of it. Yeah. Even at Southern Seminary, I0.57
00:41:45.560remember it was a course or somebody gave a talk on it somewhere in my time there, but it was a
00:41:52.140black professor or pastor, I can't remember which, but he was talking about the theological
00:41:58.160catastrophe that is the black church in America and like how it got there, liberation theology.
00:42:03.640Of course, guys like Martin Luther King Jr. But yeah, theologically terrible. But then also,1.00
00:42:10.120I think this gets to a couple of things. We'll talk about the church's role in this.
00:42:15.620I guess before we do, I do want to plug the after hours. This is our Patreon exclusive show.
00:42:20.900we're going to talk more about a lot of the social media posts, especially on X and delve
00:42:26.160into some of that. Cause I think it is actually, I don't think it's actually ambulance chasing in
00:42:30.960this case. I think it's actually really helpful to think through some of the things being said
00:42:35.000on the good and the bad. Yeah. Uh, and I'll tease it for example, if you're Abby Libby and you're
00:42:40.760talking in one side of your mouth and you're saying, I want every Palestinian child murdered.1.00
00:42:46.260they deserve those palestinians deserve to have dead babies their dogs kill their babies1.00
00:42:50.900and then in this instance they're like well you know we need to wait and be patient and1.00
00:42:55.440there's a lot of complex issues here and we need to suffer with those who hurt they're they're
00:43:00.180just pouring fuel on the fire of violence i'm like abby you're the cheerleading dead babies
00:43:06.040person maybe sit this one out maybe sit this one maybe sit this one out so we'll delve into more
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00:43:47.540We'll have to ask Martina McBride.1.00
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00:52:15.880We talked about it on our recent after hours, but even let's say that somebody was coming0.96
00:52:20.320into our church and they're black. And would they be eligible for membership in our church? Yes,
00:52:24.800of course they would. They'd be eligible for membership in our church. But would they be
00:52:29.820permitted to participate in, embody, and practice what I would call black culture generally in our
00:52:36.040church? The answer is absolutely not. Why? Because the things, the characteristics that mark black0.77
00:52:42.160culture as a generalization in the same way Paul's talking about Cretans on Crete, they are evil,0.99
00:52:47.760murderous violent bestial people they steal they kill they destroy they look like satan in how0.81
00:52:54.560they act they are sinful to the core they have besetting sins that are like fatherlessness0.64
00:53:01.680sexual immorality they molest children at a high rate all of any any criminal statistic that you0.99
00:53:06.980could look at almost pretty much without exception they excel at them black culture and it's even0.98
00:53:12.440interesting going i mentioned it before but like the black guy on tiktok he was saying he's like
00:53:17.880y'all y'all crazy like you're talking about this person like it's mental health he said that ain't
00:53:22.440no mental health that's a demon yeah so i i mean a lot of people are seeing that like this this0.99
00:53:27.900behavior is demonic to walk up to a black girl who's just minding her own business and cut her0.99
00:53:32.060throat girl yeah oh yes a white girl either but yeah and and to cut her because she's white because0.99
00:53:37.700she's white and be like you know we got that white girl we got that white girl and when you think0.99
00:53:41.000about it. You look at that culture and you say, what are the besetting sins and characteristics0.96
00:53:44.280of it? And then you say, could somebody come in a lawful church membership embodying that culture?
00:53:47.680No, they have to self-consciously repudiate that culture. They have to leave it behind,
00:53:53.540repent of those sins. And not every individual practices those sins, but they could by no
00:53:59.740standard embody those practices and come into membership in our church. Of course not.
00:54:05.720So when we make this generalization, one of the purposes of it, one of the points of view0.97
00:54:10.960for it, is for black people who do not embody that culture to repudiate it, hate it, and also for0.64
00:54:20.240policymakers to make the kind of political movements and in terms of law and order that0.81
00:54:25.200would usher in the change over time of that culture. One of them would be something like,
00:54:31.120I tweeted about this, the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 21 concerning a rebellious child.0.95
00:54:36.620if five to six percent of uh black i think it's something like five percent of black males are0.94
00:54:44.080murderers yeah five percent of young africans are committing the bulk of the murders so if you had0.95
00:54:50.280a hundred black men in america uh even even just i think specifically if you had a hundred black0.96
00:54:54.980men in a room five of them would have committed murder which is a lot quite quite a few um one0.97
00:55:01.380as matt wash pointed out the the actual number of blacks who are committing murder is more
00:55:08.280than whites whites and whites are significantly greater 60 compared to 13 percent percentage of
00:55:15.340the population so if you just take if you take that then you took a law like deuteronomy 21 which
00:55:19.400is a just law that got enacted through moses um the law was that if you had a rebellious son
00:55:23.900you have a child who's they're coming up into their manhood and they're rebellious they don't
00:55:28.980lists and he lists some characteristics and they won't they even though they're disciplined they
00:55:32.320will not turn um he says the father's to bring them out into the town square this is a rebellious
00:55:37.680son and then they stone him to death they kill him and an armed robber would certainly be one0.51
00:55:41.740of those oh absolutely armed robber all the ghetto violent crime basically take ghetto culture it
00:55:46.140would describe this to a t um if you did that over three generations how much violent crime would you
00:55:53.860have in the third and fourth generation, much, much less. What we've done instead is we've
00:56:00.020actually, with unjust weights and measures, we have wildly penalized whites for even virtuous0.88
00:56:06.700acts in lawfare. And we have done everything because liberals have appointed blacks to0.97
00:56:12.880positions of power and they're practicing ethnic and racial in-group preference. Like the several0.99
00:56:19.300black women who were involved in releasing de carlos that got the murderer in this charlotte
00:56:25.120i think 14 14 times yeah something like um his younger brother was a murderer in prison his
00:56:32.460father was a violent criminal okay so there's two sons and a father if they'd cut that line off
00:56:37.840back the generation or two before there's no de carlos to slit the throat1.00
00:56:42.480but what we have instead are in in this case the double whammy of black female judges politicians0.91
00:56:51.540who have appointed these sorts of people the mayor of charlotte for example the mayor of charlotte1.00
00:56:56.040like if you look at who appointed the judge and the judge that released them it's two black women
00:57:00.420okay and what did they do they said oh it's mental health it's homelessness it's this it's that it's0.75
00:57:06.220not a criminal tendency of black males that needs to be cut off through the X, the wielding of the0.97
00:57:12.820sword by the civil magistrate. So that's just one tiny example of one political solution that0.88
00:57:19.880is effective over time that we're failing to do. So, uh, I want to go back to the Cretan example,
00:57:28.300because it's an example, I think of pastors having to embrace something of a prophetic role,
00:57:35.800right speaking the truth in a context where it's like you're but but you're not allowed to say that
00:57:39.300and we have this rich christian tradition right like you have to say caesar is lord and you're
00:57:45.240like well we're not gonna lol no lol no not doing it i'm gonna do it and people lost their heads
00:57:49.600for it so i think uh part of it is that we have to say a true thing we have to make sure that
00:57:53.600they're true yes but then we have to speak in a true manner and and you've kind of shown that
00:57:58.840point but like how maybe you would do that as a pastor um but to answer i guess a broader question
00:58:04.720which is a lot of people I think would say well like why are pastors dealing with this issue
00:58:12.380it's odd to me that they would ask that question I've seen it quite a bit
00:58:16.000they don't ask why J.D. Greer is talking DEI wokeness stuff they don't question Ligon Duncan
00:58:24.620for getting on the stage and apologizing for white crimes and admitting his own racial blindness they
00:58:29.080don't they're not bothered by that but they are bothered that pastors would be speaking against
00:58:33.280like the civil rights amendment um but on this matter of the pulpit this is kind of how i was
00:58:38.480thinking about it i want to get your thoughts the pulpit is supposed to be a beacon of light
00:58:42.380and truth in the world um uh the author of moby dick what was his name herman melville yeah was
00:58:50.420the one that had said the pulpit leads the world um so if that's true let's let's say that's true
00:58:55.840i don't think that the pulpit should ignore lies in society i don't think that it should
00:59:01.620tell those lies certainly and so it seems incumbent that we would have to talk on these things
00:59:08.240but just your thoughts on the pulpit in general as a place like why race why are we talking about
00:59:12.940this issue as pastors we need every every ruler in every sphere to speak the truth into the issues
00:59:19.360of the day as it pertains particularly to their sphere of rule so fathers in the home pastors in
00:59:26.460the church, magistrates in their office, all of these different spheres need to tell the truth
00:59:33.660about whatever's going on in the world. And it's going to change what they can do based on what
00:59:39.880the Lord has charged them with. If I'm a civil magistrate in this situation, if I'm a senator
00:59:45.260or a congressman or if I'm a DA or whatever it is, I'm going to be speaking differently and
00:59:52.000calling for different actions based on my sphere of responsibility. But one of the things pastors
00:59:56.340are supposed to do is rebuke sin wherever they see it, especially besetting sins of the culture.
01:00:01.280And one of the besetting sins of our culture is lying in service of a greater lie. We're lying
01:00:08.060in service of this greater lie of, we're calling it gay race communism, this woke egalitarianism0.97
01:00:12.900that is attempting to flatten out all of God's world. It's seeking to call black, white and0.95
01:00:18.300white, black and call good, evil and evil, good and all these things. And pastors in particular
01:00:23.200have a duty to name sins and teach their people to name sins as well, so that their people won't
01:00:29.520walk in sin, even in the category that the law has, which is inadvertent sin, where people are
01:00:34.400just, they're discipled by the winds of culture, and they don't even realize that they're lying
01:00:39.240or that they're sinning. So many of the boomer generation, for example, would be wildly
01:00:44.560uncomfortable with all the things that we just said in this episode so far, but not if you press1.00
01:00:49.560them because they can demonstrate the falsity of them, but because they have an instinctual
01:00:54.540programming to think I'm not supposed to say that. Right? Well, and that's a big part of it too. I
01:01:01.220think there could be a lot of pastors listening who are like, yeah, I was appalled by the killing
01:01:06.140and maybe this is starting to open my eyes. One thing I do want to plug, we'll talk more about in
01:01:11.280the after hours as well, is sort of a reading list. Because there's kind of a string of things
01:01:15.980that you have to start understanding. Before you can speak the truth, you have to know the truth.
01:01:19.560And so I think, you know, we'll talk about them more there, but maybe a book like The Age of Entitlement, breaking down what civil rights amendment actually was, what it did, how it was grossly unjust.0.53
01:01:35.260And it's really what ushered in all this DEI wokeness, the stuff that you think of now.
01:01:39.600Misunderstood by most of the population at the time, Civil Rights Act.
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01:20:49.680word racist is generally when you hear it, your, your alarm should immediately go on.
01:20:55.160Someone's trying to manipulate me. And they're probably a gay race communist, right? Probably0.99
01:20:59.560a gay race communist because what the vast majority of charges of racism are getting at0.98
01:21:05.180are what you just described. People saying, you know, we, we talked in the cold open about how0.66
01:21:10.660we were, we were told that we ought to judge people based on the contents of their character
01:21:14.740rather than the color of their skin. We said, okay, great. We'll do that. We'll judge people.
01:21:19.400will be colorblind. We'll judge people based on the content of their character. I've noticed the
01:21:23.200content of the character of people with this color skin way disproportionately seems to be like this.1.00
01:21:28.300So can I judge them based on the content of their character? And people are like, no, that's a1.00
01:21:32.100racism. And you go, well, you, I'm doing the thing you told me to do. And then you're like, oh no,
01:21:36.400you can't actually be colorblind anymore. That's racist too. What we need you to be is actually
01:21:41.120anti-racist, which means anti-white, which means you need to put your thumb on the scales of0.92
01:21:47.240justice and tip it in favor of blacks minorities and so here's the thing white people said okay
01:21:51.260great we'll do that too so then medical licensing and see jeremy carl's book uh the unprotected
01:21:57.260class we did all of that all across the side and then we're like okay are we good i guess everybody
01:22:01.020fine do you guys like us again are you cool with white people again they're like no we want to
01:22:04.320murder you and steal all your stuff and we actually built everything and we was kings0.70
01:22:07.820and by the way um you're actually what we wanted the whole time was just the country0.79
01:22:13.580we wanted the country so if you could just give us the country money please give us the country
01:22:18.720please and give me house and this is give me house like no give me but why should the british
01:22:26.320taxpayers give me house give you a house and it's like the end of the line you see it's just a
01:22:31.920continual bait and shift in every single point along the road what is the mechanism of leverage0.60
01:22:36.660it's you're a racist unless you fill in the blank you're a racist unless you fill in the blank you're0.62
01:22:41.120racist unless you fill in the blank. And there has to be a point where someone says, frankly,0.61
01:22:44.840Margaret, I don't care. Have you seen, there were several people posting this, but they were saying
01:22:49.920I'd rather be a racist than dead. Correct. Right. Like if it makes you a racist to tell the truth
01:22:57.500about a thing, then being a racist is not a sin. See, like that is what that means. As a Christian's
01:23:03.660words have meaning black and white. And I mean like morally black, like the prophet said,0.90
01:23:09.340Right. They call black, white. They call light, dark. They call truth, false. You know, they invert everything. So for us, when someone says that's racist and you look at the that they're referring to, the reference of it is a true thing. You just go, well, then either it's not actually racist or being racist isn't a sin in the way that you're defining the word.0.97
01:23:30.760and what people want to do is the second you start talking like this they want to do the purple room
01:23:37.200lady thing with jordan peterson so what you're saying so what you're saying is absolute genetic
01:23:41.280determinism and you're like well no that's not what i'm saying at all i repudiate absolute
01:23:46.360genetic determinism of course because the bible does you know of course you can you can be a
01:23:52.740converted jew from the people who killed the lord jesus christ and go on to be an apostle in the
01:23:58.620church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Of course, you can repent of the besetting sins of your race.1.00
01:24:03.560And by the way, whites need to repent of the besetting sins of their race, which is being0.99
01:24:07.140easily manipulable, lying a lot, being sexual degenerates when it comes to things like trans1.00
01:24:13.000ideology. A lot of this stuff, it's like, we're not promoting the notion that whites have no0.98
01:24:18.860besetting sins. We tend to simp for liberal culture. It's a besetting sin of whites.0.62
01:24:25.800the the note what they want to do though is they want to say well you're just insert worst possible0.98
01:24:30.920most caricatured ham-fisted thing and you say no actually no let me explain my position with
01:24:36.700nuance and with truthfulness and they say no they'll never even want to have the conversation
01:24:42.140they want to label you polarize the issue and dismiss you and that's why we have to say i don't
01:24:48.600care about your outrage. I don't, I could not care less that you disapprove of me. I could not care
01:24:57.200less that you think that I am in certain negative psychological word, because I know it's, I know0.75
01:25:02.800it's true. I'm just telling the truth and living in light of it before God and men. That's what
01:25:06.760I'm doing. So we need to recover the will to, to look at that sort of frankly, childish manipulation
01:25:14.300and say oh you think that of me i don't care anyway yeah and move on that's exactly right
01:25:23.920one of the things it just happened while we were recording so it's kind of
01:25:27.600poignant i have a friend sending me uh screenshots of a message he was sent by his session oh good
01:25:36.640and it was like he just just said like hey just so you know like this is what's going on
01:25:41.860in in the world right now for young men um but basically it was like uh we noticed some things
01:25:48.040you said on x about the killing and i know what the things that were said were and it's in the
01:25:53.980ballpark of what we're saying um but basically like now he's got elder meetings it's brought
01:25:59.140we're deeply concerned about your reddit come to my office um this was something i think recently
01:26:06.680i can't remember who said it but they're saying look the reason young men are being ostracized
01:26:13.060right and left by the church for thinking any of the things that we've talked about
01:26:17.660and i i'm just wondering what advice you would give to a lot of these young guys who are
01:26:23.900about to have session meetings are about to be in trouble uh because they said maybe they
01:26:28.500retweeted matt walsh you know matt walsh has been going off and good for him and good for him yeah
01:26:35.080yeah but and by the way like all the matt wall street's i'm i retweeted one said just so everyone
01:26:40.140knows this is the moderate position yes this is this is moderate so i guess just for yeah what
01:26:47.240do you do for the young guys what do you do um i know we'll probably end up counseling a lot of
01:26:51.940guys who are in the same boat like well and i kind of wondered because in the last week especially
01:26:56.520i've gotten a lot of messages like hey do you know any good churches in this area and i'm like
01:27:01.880I haven't even going to a church in that area.
01:27:06.140I would say that they should be, like Paul said,
01:27:10.740let your reasonableness be known to all.
01:27:14.420He said, let your speech be gracious, seasoned with salt,
01:27:16.740so that you may know how to answer each one.
01:27:18.660We need to look at the biblical admonitions and counsel
01:27:21.160that the apostles, that the Lord gives us
01:27:24.360on how to be persuasive in the light of opposition to truth.
01:27:30.380But also, we need to look to their examples and understand that within the range of reasonableness and all that sort of thing, their stern rebuke, there is very clear you are incorrect, you are sinning, and you need to repent.
01:27:44.120All of the range of rhetorical device that the scriptures use can be lawfully and wisely used.
01:27:50.900But I would say practically, ask a lot of questions.