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00:39:17.220right well allegedly christianity but i think it's more i don't know if you guys have heard
00:39:22.340of this there's kind of like a new novel hybrid of christianity it's called judeo christianity
00:39:26.200i haven't really familiar with that yeah so it's kind of like christianity like you should write
00:39:30.220about it right totally so it's it's really similar to christianity okay except um the only difference
00:39:35.360is it's not christian at all and it's actually jewish so there's no right jesus christ is out
00:39:41.120yeah of that well he's in but subservient to the modern state of israel now whatever team that is
00:39:48.200i am not on that team yeah it's not a great team to be on i would rather not well because of the
00:39:53.480hellfire but you could actually describe that not as christ team but as satan's team yeah you really
00:39:57.900could you could almost you could almost say it's like it's not christ team but it's almost like a
00:40:02.060like an anti-christ team like a sort of thing it's close it's just one qualifier before the
00:40:09.300word Christ. Interesting. It just makes a slight difference. Interesting. Like there's Christ and
00:40:13.200then there's antichrist and they're, they're almost the same. So at right response, you would
00:40:18.040have like Christian, Christian ministers. Exactly. Christian speakers. That's right. Yeah. Jeremy
00:40:22.680Boring would not be permitted at, um, at right response. Um, you know, to, to, you know, to be
00:40:27.700a speaker, he, he could come to an event. We, we wouldn't ban him. Uh, but he wouldn't, he wouldn't
00:40:32.100be, you know, somebody on stage that we would platform. Um, we would, uh, with right response,
00:40:37.340we would predominantly stick to 100% Christians, but predominantly within the Reformed theological
00:40:44.620strain. And I say predominantly because we have made some exceptions and probably will continue,
00:40:51.240but not quite as much. So we got some flack in 2025 when we had Calvin Robinson at our
00:40:58.140Right Response Conference last year. Is he Catholic, Joel?
00:41:02.300Well, not really. See, that's the thing. So yes, he is lower KC Catholic. He's Anglo-Catholic.
00:41:07.340But, but the tail is wagging the dog. So the Catholic piece is doing more heavy lifting than the, you know, the Anglican part. And that's, you know, and that's kind of a trajectory. So there was a moment where he's more Anglican and, you know, than he was Catholic. And now, you know, it would just be untruthful if I said, oh, he's barely Catholic. Like, no, I mean, the dude loves himself some Miriam dogmas. He's, I mean, you know, like, and, and even, you know, he hosts a show with us with NXR. And, and I love Calvin. He's, he's a dear friend.
00:41:35.240um but he i mean he just calvin's personality he's like i i don't know if joel will like this
00:41:41.500so i'm gonna do it even harder that's like which is part of what i love about him so it's like
00:41:45.740even on his show it's like political commentary and he's like you know let's pause the show
00:41:49.620and um let's just let's just uh bang a prayer out to mary real quick you know halfway through
00:41:55.920it's like an interlude you know like he just like and i'm like dude come on um and we have
00:42:00.820full editing power but we don't edit it because i just feel like that's cheap um i know who he is
00:42:06.640despite who he is i asked him to to be on nxr but when he was at right response last year at that
00:42:12.240conference um we asked for him to speak on islam taking over the west which he has experienced
00:42:18.200firsthand he's from england and he was a perfect gentleman that's what he talked about he wasn't
00:42:23.380throwing out you know uh throwing up some hell marys and things like that so he did what he
00:42:27.300He didn't throw rosaries into the audience.
00:47:52.840like okay ask james lindsey ask james lindsey is amateur porn freedom oh wait i just gave away
00:48:02.360that i know do you with your stepdaughter check out girls butts together and brag about it are
00:48:07.500you boasting about the fact that you um you actually voted for hillary clinton um and and
00:48:13.780that you're a leftist have you tweeted out i'm pretending to be a christian right i'm thinking
00:48:18.980about pretending to be a christian just so that i can hoodwink my evangelicals into doing x y and
00:48:24.280z yeah um again charlie kirk love him or hate him um but hindus mormons orthodox jews atheists
00:48:33.140sodomites all all hosted so it can't really be the associations if we're honest it's not so
00:48:40.600people say associates that's my point it's not and we know emphatically objectively definitively
00:48:46.300that it's not so why is he heralded um not by by the world at large but by reformed christians
00:48:53.380reformed christians who criticize me i'm telling you i'll watch them sola chad or like all these
00:48:58.800you know five sola whatever you know i can't keep track of them all all of these accounts you know
00:49:03.680insufferable reformed accounts online it'll literally be in in the same hour charlie kirk
00:49:09.380love him what a christian martyr honor him joel weapon wolf in sheep's clothing and then they'll
00:49:16.120mention the associations they'll mention the upcoming conference that i have as the reason
00:49:20.680as the definitive proof for why i am a false teacher so they're they're not being honest
00:49:25.840the real reason that they like charlie and not me is because at the end of the day by the grace of
00:49:31.100god charlie i believe was a regenerate christian he's with the lord and he did a lot of good
00:49:35.120but charlie was a moderate right that's why they like especially on key issues that are the the
00:49:41.560the land, the same reasons that people would hate us or the reasons that episodes of ours have gone
00:49:46.860viral and right wing watches clipped them. It's when you violate the blasphemy laws of liberalism
00:49:52.620and liberalism, not just being the DNC, but the liberalism that a huge number of GOP voters hold
00:50:00.120to a huge number of feminist, feminist instincts that are, you know, enculturated in people.
00:50:04.660If you violate those blasphemy laws, then you will find out, you know, you'll find out what it's like to be hated.
00:50:13.140So reformed Christians today will honor Charlie Kirk while demonizing me, not because Charlie Kirk was more faithful to Christianity, but he's a more consistent, faithful liberal.
00:50:23.980So it really comes down to liberalism. Because the other question, like TPSA faith is one thing to me. But the people who especially detest you, I think, are what we would call the pietists.
00:50:44.900And they had James Lindsay. I know you can get cute with it, you know, whatever. But I do want to tell the record straight and be honest.
00:50:53.040um they had james lindsey it wasn't actually at their main event uh g3 conference but it was
00:51:00.360adjacent like right next door as the the pre-conference okay okay um but but still it's
00:51:06.240like this is a pre-conference event for g3 that that like their whole claim to you know credibility
00:51:12.720is that they are the most consistent faithful pure reformed christians that have ever lived
00:51:18.420read the scriptures, but worship hadn't started yet. Exactly. Yeah. So exactly. So yes, we had
00:51:23.740an atheist speak at a conference, but, um, but that, you know, it's like the hobbits. It's like,
00:51:27.880yeah, we, we had them at conference, but not at second conference. That was first conference,
00:51:33.300but not second conference. Yeah. So I'm just wondering with the associations, like part of
00:51:37.800what I'd love to do is get people to actually think through that more clearly. Um, so as you
00:51:41.520move into something like NXR, walk me through categorically, like, what is it? Why are you
00:51:46.660doing it? What do you hope it accomplishes? And why should maybe some of that crowd not be so
00:51:52.920vitriolic in what you're trying to put together? I'm doing it because I have a wife and six
00:51:59.620children and they're Christian and they're white. And because America is the last place and there's
00:52:05.780nowhere else for us to go. So I'm doing it because temporal earthly life matters because God made
00:52:11.360the world and the cosmos, the created order. And despite the fall because of sin, he still said,
00:52:18.980knowing that this would take place, it is good. I'm doing it because there's still some good in
00:52:23.160this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth saving. It's worth fighting for. I'm doing it because
00:52:28.540my kids, who by the grace of God, they belong, I believe, to the new covenant in Christ by grace
00:52:36.100through faith and will inherit eternal life they still have to live in this temporal world as
00:52:41.920however long that is and i'm doing it because i realized that not only is the reformed theological
00:52:50.140strain not an asset it's a liability how do you mean they are standing in the way of any true
00:52:57.440revival and change that god might actually be willing if we cared and really wanted it
00:53:03.020to give. The reformed world, it's not just a distraction. It's certainly not an asset.
00:53:11.260I believe it is one of the greatest liabilities for winning back our country. They will hold you
00:53:18.020down. It's like in Pilgrim's Progress, it's like there's so many characters who along this
00:53:23.520pilgrimage would say to Christian, wait or slow down or come back with me. I'm a fellow pilgrim,
00:53:30.760but, but you're going too fast, you know, and, and they're constantly trying to, to slow him
00:53:36.260down in his journey, the reformed world. Um, it's, it's sad. I wish this wasn't the case, but, um,
00:53:43.400we don't realize how in the big scheme of things, how utterly insignificant we are. Like people,
00:53:51.540you know, it's so stupid. People are like, Oh, I used to listen to Joel Webin and then he ruined
00:53:55.960his credibility by doing this or by doing that. And it's like, so what's the alternative? What
00:54:01.540were you hoping for that? That I would keep my head down and be really careful so that 20 years
00:54:05.280from now I might earn a breakout session at G3. Do you know how stupid that is? Do you know how
00:54:11.760embarrassing that is? I'm not interested. I'm not interested in putting my head down. And maybe if
00:54:19.780I'm quiet enough and careful enough and nuanced enough that I might get to lead a breakout session
00:54:26.460at G3. How's G3 doing? How are they doing? Topped out at 8,000 people, that's nothing to scoff at,
00:54:33.300and then gone. Gone. Like chaff. Have you noticed that the scriptures so many times when it speaks
00:54:39.280of glory, it speaks of the weight of glory. Glory is weightiness. What are the wicked like? They're
00:54:43.980not just wicked they're not just evil or sinister they're light it's a levity like chaff blown away
00:54:50.240what are the righteous like they're like like solid evergreen oak trees that only bear fruit
00:54:55.440and season but it's it's leaf never withers and they're deep and sturdy and rooted by streams
00:55:02.180of water i want staying power and people think that well that's the opposite it seems as though
00:55:07.460that's the opposite of what you're striving for because you're you're you're playing it loose
00:55:12.660you're you're shooting from the hip you're um you're flying too close to the sun this isn't
00:55:18.360what you do with staying power um yeah it's not what you do with staying power if you're looking
00:55:23.320to to just be be the biggest kid on the block with the reformed church conference circuit
00:55:27.940that's not what i'm interested in people are like i can't believe you know what a shame that joel
00:55:32.820did these things he had so much potential so much potential for what for what to get to to have a
00:55:39.020five-minute turn of driving the clown car that is the reformed world? Look at it just in a
00:55:45.160standpoint of markets, right? Look at it from a business perspective. We represent maybe from
00:55:50.000150 to 500,000 people in a country of 350 million. No one cares. No one cares. You want to see who's
00:55:58.200winning? Like, let's just be honest. Look at the Supreme Court. Look at Congress. Look at this.
00:56:03.200Of course, the Jews are winning, but beyond that, right? Israel is certainly winning. Beyond that,
00:56:07.440catholics like what we're all posting you know as reformed christians yeah uh my ideal supreme
00:56:13.660court and it's just you know like nine nine versions of uh clarence thomas you know um
00:56:17.900well clarence thomas aside from being black aside from being conservative he's a catholic
00:56:21.740catholics are winning in terms of elite capture of institutions correct producing political elites
00:56:29.040but but catholics are actually um working harder and bearing more fruit and ensuring that not
00:56:35.420heavenly life but uh that's in poor life and viability and protection for my four daughters
00:56:42.900is secured my my daughters do not have uh reformed ministers of the pca to to think
00:56:50.320they have clarence thomas and catholics in terms of political power too i would argue that
00:56:55.320you're generally dispensationalist megachurch non-denominational world is also been quite
00:57:01.620effective in producing political power for it because it has mass i mean that's the moral
00:57:06.340majority kind of world it has mass to it but it also it's an it's an interesting dichotomy it
00:57:11.840doesn't produce the type of elites that roman catholics produce no which is the clarence
00:57:15.940thomas congressman because they have far more intellectual academic rigor it produces the
00:57:20.360paula white it produces the the publicly socially influential type of character that is well it's
00:57:27.980like the tp usa circuit basically the types of pastors that you would typically find there right
00:57:32.620i mean but to circle back to the reformed world i think what's what is one of the most discouraging
00:57:37.900realities that you can face and you really have if you want to be on if you want to you know how
00:57:44.080to live today you have to face reality as it is you can't live in a world that's not really the
00:57:49.440one that exists and that's what paul real quick that's what politics is and i think reformed
00:57:54.440Christians, it's not that all Christians are allergic to politics. Reform Christians, I would
00:57:59.880argue, are especially allergic because we rightly place such an emphasis on the theological, which
00:58:08.220is our bread and butter. It's our foundation. It's the place where we hang our hat. But politics is
00:58:14.860not the realm of the ideal. Politics is the realm of the possible. What can I do today?
00:58:20.320And it leads us to create essentially types of magical thinking where we say, well, I'm going to invent a way that by merely getting the doctrine right, that itself, or merely getting the worship right, or merely getting the liturgy right, or all of these doctrinal, theological, heavenly oriented things, that by merely getting those things right, it will, through a mechanism I'm not really going to explain, magically solve the political issues of the nation.
00:58:50.320Right. And it's all magical thinking. It's like, well, no, it won't. But but even in this is the discouraging thing to realize and something we have to face in the reformed world is just how much of the doctrine of the reformed world as it pertains to the to its application in some of the most important areas of life, like the ordering of the sexes and the ordering of political theory in our world.
00:59:14.740just how much of our doctrine, our timeless doctrine, actually turns out to be a post-hoc
00:59:21.000justification for post-war consensus liberalism. Politically, a post-hoc justification for
00:59:30.160feminist ideals. Yes. And part of the reason why, though, to be fair, so it's like, well,
00:59:35.000then why are you still reformed? Because it's a rich, lavish home with so many different
00:59:44.740different resources and potential. The reason why the Reformed church today in the West and
00:59:52.000in America particularly is so impotent is it's not because of Reformed theology. It's because
00:59:58.260modern liberal Westerners walking around in a Reformed Christian skin suit, what they've done
01:00:05.700is they've truncated Reformed teaching. So they opened up the Reformed toolbox, right? They went
01:00:12.080and recovered all the reformed works and put them back into publication while editing out
01:00:17.040some key things we know this reformed publishers be careful some of those books they they will
01:00:23.080take out strip whole whole portions of it because it offends modern sensibilities but here's the
01:00:28.560deal you open up the reformed tool chest did you know there's actually more to the reformed view
01:00:34.280than simply soteriology but what owen strand and what you know these and they've looked at this
01:00:39.920tool chest they found the the the salvation piece the auto salutis and they've taken that one tool
01:00:46.320it's called a hammer and then they apply it to every single every single leg of the construction
01:00:52.080project of building a house um so they will tell you look to the reformers for uh salvation but
01:00:58.620don't look to them for political thought it's actually straight out of the tim keller playbook
01:01:03.040by the way like if you read any of you know james davis and hunter you know to change the world any
01:01:07.800that um it was all soteriology and then liberal political theory right that's basically what
01:01:14.520young restless and reform i think devolved into real quick going back to the catholics um
01:01:20.300this one hurts a little bit but but i i think it's fair and and we need to be aware so that
01:01:25.280we can be inspired to to make whatever revisions we need to make and also to make as we're talking
01:01:29.980about in terms of associations whatever alliances we need to make so i am more than happy and going
01:01:35.720out of my way to partner with catholics i make no apology for that i'm not doing it in my local
01:01:41.220church um i you're putting that in a like a political sphere yes categorically it's in x
01:01:47.960in xr in in that category that's where we're partnering with catholics um and one of the
01:01:53.020reasons why is because they're actually far more successful i think in large part and going back
01:01:57.440to the evangelical thing so you can say the counter would be but no they're not look at
01:02:01.280catholics and their voting pattern they're actually you know they're they're pretty milk
01:02:04.140toast and they're liberal you know and blah blah blah um we've been lying we need to admit this
01:02:08.800for a second we've been lying like for three years now with all the memes and all that you know uh
01:02:13.800white evangelicals are the lone bulwark um how come we never bifurcate by race with catholicism
01:02:19.860if you look at what's the data i don't know if you look at it um it's uh white evangelicals and
01:02:26.580it's by far the most conservative because if you included black evangelicals that would not be true
01:02:31.300They don't even, they usually say black Protestants is the other category.
01:02:35.580So we'll say, we'll say mainline Protestants.
01:02:37.840So that would be PC USA and, you know, all of these guys, Episcopalians, whatever, liberal Lutherans, Anglicans.
01:02:46.840And so you have your mainline Protestants and you have a subset of that, black Protestants.
01:02:51.220You have white evangelicals, which they sever not only evangelicals from mainline Protestantism, but then they do it by race, only the white evangelicals to show their voting.
01:03:00.440and then they just catholics that's a massive category like we we're actually not being fair
01:03:05.440we're saying well technically actually when it comes to our theological strain we're going to
01:03:09.740be nuanced and we're going to bifurcate and we're going to distinguish but then catholics we're
01:03:13.580just going to throw them up as a block now the reason why catholics are liberal in america when
01:03:18.040you treat them as a block and you don't you don't do for them the same courtesy that we do for
01:03:21.780ourselves it's because catholic is brown coated yeah it's hispanic it's because catholic catholicism
01:03:27.280Roman Catholicism is religious globalism. Think about that for a second. So I would say that
01:03:33.580Protestantism today has a Zionism problem. Catholicism has a globalism problem. That said,
01:03:40.560the globalism problem to Catholicism is inerrant. It's actually baked into the pie. Whereas
01:03:46.420Zionism, we know historically, is not inherently a problem for Protestantism because there was very
01:03:52.880much a time where that was not an issue at all. So I believe that Protestants can actually rid
01:03:58.180ourselves of Zionism. Catholics never can when it comes to globalism. Now, all Catholicism can
01:04:04.160when the Bishop of Rome was simply that, a Bishop of Rome, he was a first among equals. The only
01:04:08.800power he had over other regional national bishops was for settling disputes, right? A tiebreaker.
01:04:14.420But now that he is the pontiff, the vicar of Christ, that he can speak ex cathedra,
01:04:18.500the papal infallibility and these kinds of things so long as you have that and that is very much
01:04:24.420rooted in catholicism and i don't see it going away certainly not anytime soon you now actually
01:04:29.060have not a national but a global headquarters for catholicism which is why you can have a nation
01:04:34.460like ours these united states of america that is being overrun right by a full-fledged islamic
01:04:41.060invasion from the third world and yet still have an american pope speaking globally and spiritually
01:04:47.400for the world and going around and kissing Somalians and encouraging Americans to welcome
01:04:52.560them in. And so, so you literally, you cannot be Roman Catholic and be a true patriot and a
01:04:59.780nationalist at the same time. But that said, if we're fair to our Catholic friends, and I want
01:05:06.980to be fair because I have many Catholic friends and I appreciate them immensely, and I don't think
01:05:11.400we win without them um but if i actually do bifurcate them um and it's not just a block
01:05:17.060but it's white catholics heritage american catholics whatever you want to call it versus
01:05:22.280hispanic catholics immigrant catholics and all that um the white catholics if we give them the
01:05:28.000same courtesy as white evangelicals or the lone board white catholics are based so this is
01:05:34.440according to pure research if you break it down into white catholics 61 of white catholics voted
01:05:39.760for donald trump in 2024 it's still lower than evangelicals evangelicals is 82 however might
01:05:44.880have been right this is interesting though yeah yeah but this is interesting if those are just
01:05:50.820people who claim to be catholic if you go to white catholics who actually go to mass who actually go
01:05:56.920to mass every week it's almost 70 voted for trump yeah the difference is that protestantism by its
01:06:02.460nature it's able to say we are formally not going to be in fellowship with the main line we're
01:06:09.140formerly not going to be in in fellowship with the heretical black protestantism we can actually
01:06:15.460form a coalition that very much the doctrine and the conservatism the political conservatism
01:06:20.540redeemed zoomers hardest they go together yeah right so you can actually gatekeep that to some
01:06:24.940extent and and just say like okay when we talk about evangelicalism we're talking about not just
01:06:30.380the sbc but the sbc and then everything after it right that's what we're talking about and everything
01:06:35.760that is doctrinally and in practice the sbc just called by a different name it's you know that
01:06:41.000you're non-denominational pull the mask off oh you're a baptist okay so you're a baptist right
01:06:46.120that inherently is going to create a sorting that is very much a political sorting as much as it is
01:06:53.380a doctrinal sorting because the it's also going to sort you into essentially the modern gop right
01:07:00.980by by a super majority right because a lot of them these demographics are going to map almost
01:07:07.180one-to-one when it comes to their views of israel their views of things like immigration and race
01:07:12.820and you know the feminism and it ultimately even moral issues like abortion
01:07:18.340they're just going to map that way roman catholicism by its nature it is one denomination
01:07:26.560And white Catholics, if we go back to like white Catholics that regularly attend church, they are exceedingly pro-life.
01:07:38.240But in terms of like voting for Trump, some of the political things, because abortion has become political, but it is first and foremost a moral issue.
01:07:45.800And so they would be, you know, pound for pound, white Catholics that actually attend mass regularly would be very close to white evangelicals on the pro-life issue.
01:07:55.460but when you do voting for trump by just you know to set the record straight i believe white
01:08:01.460evangelicals are like 83 85 in terms of voting for trump whereas like you just read you got the
01:08:07.360lower 70 70 71 or whatever for white catholics that regularly attend mass um that's my point
01:08:13.260though is on those issues there is a disparity it's not it's not massive but there is a disparity
01:08:18.840but part of the reason why is because even for the white based catholics who regularly attend mass
01:08:24.640here in the United States, globalism is inerrant. It's not, I'm a globalist despite being a
01:08:33.520Catholic. I am a globalist because I'm a Catholic. So Taylor Marshall is a friend. We've had him on
01:08:39.140the show. I think he's a great guy and he's a big Catholic apologist. And he used to be reformed.
01:08:45.740He went to Westminster, got his master's, all that kind of stuff. Really sharp and really kind.
01:08:50.960james white hates him so you know he's a good guy um but he he even said like when when we talk
01:08:57.340about immigration he's like um what kind of immigrants are they catholic right and so he
01:09:03.600can't help himself because of his catholicism he's like we're being flooded by blacks and browns from
01:09:08.920the third world he's like uh but at least they're catholic and the problem with this is the
01:09:13.540fundamental error that it's that this whole way of thinking is making is that ethnic enclaves are
01:09:19.200the ethnicity question and then the art which nationality are you right exactly what are you
01:09:25.540are you hispanic are you black are you white are you those are actually going to be determinative
01:09:31.260in a huge way of the politics of that person way more than do they tick the in the most broad sense
01:09:40.040the the creedal christian or not right and and that also goes back to the um the the the you
01:09:47.400the getting the christian thing first fixes everything else because it really doesn't no
01:09:52.200it really doesn't when you know when i think about our neighbors here in ogden we have
01:09:56.120a quickly growing hispanic population it is the reason that roman catholicism is bigger in ogden
01:10:04.740than protestantism than anything like especially reformed protestantism like there's seven of us
01:10:10.260in the whole state utah by the way is it ranks top 10 in h1b yeah so that that rome that hispanic
01:10:18.920population is very roman catholic it's also one of the greatest enemies to my children's safety
01:10:24.380and future yeah well and not just be and i'm not even talking about crime statistics or something
01:10:28.980i'm saying because as a voting block we're talking about a very liberal that's right voting block
01:10:34.580well the the other thing though mormonism is similar to catholicism in the globalist sense
01:10:39.300yes because they mission you know send missionaries everywhere and so they're thinking just like this
01:10:44.160week in utah as we're recording they're like we have all these tongans like these polynesian
01:10:49.280peoples and yeah i mean they shoot each other at funerals like mob style there's the time we have
01:10:55.040to call and swat every time there's a funeral they literally pre-call the police because there
01:11:00.360was a mormon tongan funeral at a mormon ward and it got in such a big brawl and so many people were
01:11:06.740shot it spilled over to the hospital they like had to shut down a hospital and call swat in
01:11:11.980and that's mormonism mormonism said yeah we're why are they all here and i think part of the
01:11:16.800reason is the mormon missions my assessment part of the reason the mormons do that is because of
01:11:20.720their missions but then the question is okay and why do they do the missions globally and you know
01:11:24.780and interracially such a big emphasis on reaching other people i think part of it is um at the end
01:11:30.280of the day it's white guilt because the mormons i mean you can watch the old videos um the little
01:11:36.480animated series and stuff like the moment the mormons were pretty hardcore on uh on the race
01:11:40.560issue oh the mormons were active they're also i would say today though like they are so they're
01:11:46.340making up for it they're the poster child for being a good liberal exactly yeah yeah that's
01:11:50.560really interesting roman catholics i hadn't thought about it mapping quite that way with
01:11:53.600with globalism and roman catholicism and elite formation but also some of the the intrinsic
01:12:01.020segmentation that happens with the Protestant world and how that would produce kind of a thumb
01:12:06.780on the scale when it comes to the, that really relates to other things that aren't just religious.
01:12:11.660They're also demographic. Um, we're, we're running out of time in this episode. What I would like to
01:12:17.160do, cause this is the people hate Joel Webman episode. If it's not the associations, if it's
01:12:23.020not any of these other excuses, if it's not really, you know, that really that you're cringe
01:12:27.700or people think you're cringe. If it's really that you violate with, like Leroy Jenkins energy,
01:12:34.420the post-war consensus liberal order blasphemy laws, give us like three or five of these
01:12:40.620views that you would hold or topics that you've addressed that really make people hate you.
01:12:45.420And I know we're going to talk more about them in depth in the next two episodes, maybe,
01:12:49.600but just as a summary, like what are the top three, five? I've talked about this. I believe
01:12:54.360this about this issue here in in that you know that's the reason that people hate your face
01:13:01.140yeah and can i just say alacrity joel levin patriot nationalist patriot i like that in the
01:13:08.780suit you cut we were both national we were nationals i didn't make the video okay who
01:13:13.180cut that in it wasn't nxr it was um it was just uh it was a non-account an non-account yeah what
01:16:24.660And God's speaking through Noah and this prophecy and blessings and cursings for his three sons.
01:16:29.760It's like I'm an old-timey Bible believer.
01:16:33.100So if the Bible says it, I believe it.
01:16:35.800But I don't actually believe that the promises that were given and curses, subsequent curses given by God through Noah, that they have to be etched in the stars.
01:17:42.160So you're in northern tribes versus, you know, close to the equator in sub-Sahara Africa
01:17:47.240over the course of a couple thousand years.
01:17:50.220Also, you're the sons of Japheth and you worship the triune God versus worshiping demons.
01:17:54.980That's probably going to have an impact because religion speaks to everything.
01:17:57.940every major world religion has dietary restrictions right what you can eat nutrients who you can marry
01:18:03.780which one allows you to drink cow pee right it's not christianity okay i just wanted to make sure
01:18:09.840that i didn't have that because i've been drinking water this right exactly yeah and so you know so
01:18:14.280we appreciate yeah you know but um but vivek ramaswamy or or vivek vance we're gonna go there
01:18:21.840second episode yeah we'll go there we'll get there um crazy wild but the point is uh race
01:18:27.900realism is is how i would describe it uh to to go to each one of those points the christian
01:18:32.820nationalism patriot biblical patriarchy masculine leadership and then we'll get to the fourth but
01:18:38.000then right now is the race realism yeah in each point i guess this is part of what brian was
01:18:43.060saying and what you're saying as well each one of them is wildly offensive to the post-liberal order
01:18:47.820That's right. So the race question is because of multiculturalism. That's right. It's very offensive to that patriarchy would be things like feminism and egalitarianism, Christian nationalism, as opposed to globalism.
01:18:59.920Yes, exactly. And borderless free trade.
01:19:02.200So here's kind of the point, though, I think that that is worth just hammering home.
01:19:07.460People who are Christians and reformed Christians will disagree with you on those points.
01:19:12.060They will phrase it as though they disagree on gospel centered type issues.
01:19:17.180But it's really an external theological apparatus that is driving their vitriol.
01:32:16.140in terms of their action and outcomes,
01:32:17.740you're looking at a group that though they're a minority,
01:32:21.260they have an outsized effect in the most specific
01:32:25.320and tip of the spear of policies that make it a possibility that my children won't have a country
01:32:30.680correct so the final thing i know we got to land the plane but all four of those and this is back
01:32:34.380to your point of they all have in common against the post-liberal order um what i would say is and
01:32:40.260like i said you know you have all your values the lord our job is not to choose but really just to
01:32:46.180listen and to listen to the lord speaking not just through scripture but through providence
01:32:50.660and so looking to the lord's providence and and not by um not by like what what are my values are
01:32:58.180the most important in a timeless fashion but what are the most urgent so it's need based it's
01:33:03.760necessity that i think ultimately separates the priorities from all the rest of the values
01:33:08.420and so i'm looking at that and i've narrowed it down to four the four pillars and what they all
01:33:14.000four have in common is that they're against liberalism so i so i'm saying i think that
01:33:18.640liberalism is the greatest, most pressing threat for Christianity in the world today, in our
01:33:26.740generation. So I think liberalism is the greatest threat. And I liken liberalism to the vehicle,
01:33:32.340the car. But if you open the hood, the engine of liberalism is egalitarianism. So the one
01:33:37.600common denominator really to put more verbiage on it specifically is Christian nationalism.
01:33:43.040nationalism over globalism is anti it's anti-egalitarian right um it's it's going against
01:33:49.320um international egalitarianism yes all countries are not the same and they're not all equal same
01:33:55.300with patriarchy because they're not all the same um when you have uh distinctions distinctions
01:34:00.300necessarily create disparities and disparities form uh naturally form hierarchies there are there
01:34:06.740is a national hierarchy right we used to be at the top i would say the 90s and early 2000s was
01:34:12.000kind of our peak, the Strait of Hormuz and what's going on with Iran. One of the things that that's
01:34:16.500proving is that we actually don't have near as much power in the world as we once did. We have
01:34:23.600to recognize that America as a military empire actually peaked and we are on the decline. We
01:34:29.220don't actually have the strength that we once had. But the point is a hierarchy still exists. Now,
01:34:33.840I don't think we're at the top of that hierarchy anymore, but we're certainly one of the world's
01:34:37.360superpowers we're in the top i would say the top three or four um i would say three russia china
01:34:42.620uh us and the fourth the only reason i leave that door open is i think within 20 to 30 years that
01:34:47.440israel will be a fourth superpower and it will be be because of us we are laying ultimately what
01:34:52.580we're doing if you think of you know the purpose of the system is what it does uh what we're really
01:34:56.860doing is we are suppressing iran i'm no fan of iran uh certainly not you know they're iranian
01:35:02.320people that's a different story but the regime there that's you know sharia law and radical
01:35:06.460Muslims and all those kinds of things. But Iran, you have to recognize politically, geopolitically
01:35:11.620in terms of strategy, they are really the only check and balance to Israel. And by suppressing
01:35:17.200them with missile after missile after missile, what we're doing is we're allowing Israel to have
01:35:22.300reprieve. They can go after Lebanon. They're going to eventually, mark my words, it'll be Egypt. It'll
01:35:26.420be Turkey. They're clearing the slate and wouldn't be able to do it if it wasn't for us, which is so
01:35:31.500wicked and and and we are going to have so much regret the world we are creating that our children
01:35:36.780have to live in for a greater israel project for them to secure a hegemony and a place that
01:35:42.480strategically in terms of trade routes in the middle east will be uncontested it will have
01:35:47.140it will have economic power that we cannot even imagine and i believe within 20 to 30 years time
01:35:53.520because of the united states and our insufferable zionism that we are creating we already have
01:35:59.380china and russia to deal with a fourth superpower that will rival us and on that national hierarchy
01:36:04.640we will actually be demoted once more so nations egalitarianism nationally speaking is a lie then
01:36:11.420you get to the patriarchy sexual egalitarianism is a lie then you get to race realism not
01:36:16.900essentialism and not determinism but realism racial egalitarianism is a liberal project it
01:36:22.820is a lie and then the last one the reason why i changed from anti-zionism and i specified anti
01:36:28.980not anti-jew but anti-jewish supremacy in that last prepositional phrase qualifying the statement
01:36:35.080in non-jewish places is because what i don't want to do here is actually concede frame so i have the
01:36:41.480first three points are against egalitarianism but then the last one is an insistence upon it
01:36:45.860my big problem with jewish supremacy is um that no one's better than anyone else you see how that's
01:36:51.920gay yeah that's actually the seating frame um uh and and to do it just because it's popular because
01:36:57.440right now it is kind of cool to criticize israel and those kinds of things um no the problem with
01:37:01.940jewish supremacy is jewish supremacy in my country as an extreme minority that goes over and against
01:37:07.760the interest of my um my my native people um if ugandans uh hold to ugandan supremacy in uganda
01:37:15.160you know to me and you're probably budgeting for this i guess i would thread the needle on that
01:37:22.040last one more like jewish values too yes yes jewish yeah having you should assimilate you
01:37:30.120should assimilate and not and i mean that like as a as an objective fact the express like what
01:37:35.300what actually are the values of the modern jewish people in america right they're all
01:37:40.500antithetical and they're very very antithetical to the safe existence of my children abortion
01:37:45.280is abortion pornography usury globalism endless middle east war like these are all
01:37:52.180they're all yeah fundamentally a hatred for western christendom i'm just thinking
01:37:56.780you know for my own their biggest value is egalitarianism but but they don't actually
01:38:02.240believe it right so in many such cases well this is yeah this goes back to kind of the the paleo
01:38:07.800cons pointed this out egalitarianism nobody actually believes in it it's a political tool
01:38:12.860yes for them to gain power right exactly so jews have always whether it was lgbt you know um or
01:38:19.500whether it was um civil rights and and uh and blacks or whether at every single one of those
01:38:25.620movements in american history and they brag about it right so this is right some no their leverage
01:38:30.320points to actually accomplish on the forefront of that you know whether it's martin luther king
01:38:35.140it's the destruction of the christian hegemony of the white protestant christian hegemony in
01:38:39.340And they do it because fighting for any minority in America actually serves them because they are one of the minorities. So making America a more tolerant, more inclusive, more welcoming place for minority groups is helpful for them. And I don't even despise that because I actually, I actually, again, game recognizes game. I respect a people that cares about their people. I just wish my people did.
01:39:02.220And I would, importantly, I respect the people who care about their people, provided their people aren't doing evil things in service of evil values.
01:39:11.720Like if the Ugandan said, we're the greatest in the world and, you know, and our deepest goal is to go full Aztec and we're going to build a big pyramid.
01:39:19.300It's going to be the greatest pyramid ever.
01:39:20.800And we're going to be, you know, cutting people's hearts out and throwing their bodies down.
01:39:25.980And we're going to be the best set in the whole world.
01:39:27.420I would say, I wouldn't say game recognizes game.
01:39:31.360I would say Cortez, get my helmet. Like it'd be more of that. So to me, it's not even just like
01:39:39.060a supremacy particularization issue. It's also just in its objective factual expression, what
01:39:45.000do you believe? And how do I know what you believe? Because what are you doing? What are
01:39:48.440you attempting to do? So those are the four priorities. Again, I would say selected by the
01:39:53.440Lord through providence. Not in terms of most important and in all places in all times, but
01:39:59.080most urgent and necessary today. And, you know, I can imagine a boomer listening to this and
01:40:04.400talking about Islam as, you know, catnip for boomers. And like, well, why isn't that, you
01:40:09.680know, one of the, you know, a fifth pillar or something. And the reality is, again, looking
01:40:13.680at providence, just it's undeniable. The fact remains that there have been throughout the last
01:40:21.0001400 years, there have been whole swaths, whole centuries where Islam was a far greater threat
01:40:28.000to christianity and to the west and jewry than it is right now and and with islam um i islam is the
01:40:36.360broom of judaism right jewish rabbis say this explicitly um again this isn't a conspiracy
01:40:41.880theory this is something that they didn't just let the tongue slip it's something that they
01:40:45.680actually boast of islam is the broom of judaism meaning that it's being used um to sweep sweep
01:40:53.860clean the playing field and at the end of the day uh you have right-wing jews you have left-wing
01:40:59.440jews here in america and right-wing jews push for war where we displace muslims like the muslim
01:41:06.760problem in america is because the muslims are in america well christian nationalism covers the
01:41:12.220muslim issue the somalians in minnesota are a direct result of the conflict from 20 years ago
01:41:17.700exactly and the mayor in minneapolis is the jewish jacob fry that's right so it's it's um jews on
01:41:25.380in right-wing politics in america that push for war that displaces muslims in the middle east
01:41:29.860and then jews and left-wing american politics push towards pro-immigration policies that bring
01:41:36.000them as refugees here if you want to deal with islam and i do we published a whole book calvin
01:41:40.600robinson wrote it the silent jihad islam taking over the west it is a problem but i would rather
01:41:46.080go to the source of the stream i would i would rather actually deal with it um at the source
01:41:51.460and the reality is um that that our unsavory alliance and letting our guard down when it
01:41:57.860comes to jewish supremacy in non-jewish places our country is what is perpetuating and holding
01:42:03.880open the gates of toledo to make this islamic problem a local domestic problem so that's it
01:42:09.360so based on all that joel i'm not sure why people would still have a reason to hate you
01:42:12.880or even disagree i think we found the real reason that people don't like joel weapon and it's
01:42:17.420because he can't give short answers no that's a question no that that is that's a real and with
01:42:23.640that we are out of time for this episode joel thanks for joining us here in the case hall
01:42:27.660of course we've uh we've had a good time thanks for being my friend joel yeah thank you and we
01:42:32.660appreciate we appreciate the bond villain energy yeah well somebody is it like dude so many things
01:42:39.400you don't get to decide the Lord determines and uh just play your role you gotta play your role
01:42:44.120you lost like 40 something pounds so I can't really say it like I used to be able to say it
01:42:48.060but um back in the the fat Brian lore um during during the fat Brian arc you literally look you
01:42:54.680look like a 32 year old man who is training to become the next Santa Claus like that's like
01:42:58.940that's wow and and what I mean by that is not just that you were fat and you were
01:43:03.160but jolly disgustingly obese but yeah morbidly uh but yeah but the thing is bigger than ben's
01:43:09.420beyond beyond if possible yes beyond the fatness um you you just your jolly disposition like
01:43:16.320seriously like everyone women kids they're like they they love you you're very likable and for me
01:43:22.580it's like they're they're a thing you can staff your weaknesses you can work on things but then
01:43:26.000there's also a certain point where it's like look i could i could spend so much time doing pr