The King's Hall - MAGA vs. America First

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00:00:56.600 welcome to this episode of the king's hall podcast i'm your host eric khan joined today

00:01:05.420 by the ever good-looking brian sauvet that is not true i mean but i really do thank you because i

00:01:12.620 needed it after joel called me morbidly obese and and he was so real for that and correct he said

00:01:17.780 you were on your way to becoming santa claus he did which i take as a compliment i meant mainly

00:01:22.400 and the jolly avenue but i mean yeah physique was like physique wise and we're joined by the

00:01:28.600 inimitable the unstoppable joel webbin glad to be here thanks joel thanks for yeah thanks for

00:01:34.700 being here thank you guys i love the suit you're looking good too thank you thank you yeah you

00:01:39.020 ryan you lost 43 pounds yeah and i lost 40 so you know someday you might get to this level

00:01:44.700 right of but that extra three pounds i mean that's a world of difference but the thing is you have

00:01:50.240 that salt and pepper thing going on in fact both of you guys have a little bit of that distinguished

00:01:54.840 look and i just my bloodline does not get gray hair until like late in old age you'll get it

00:02:03.700 but i think part of part of it's just the fact that you're still 17 years old you're bright-eyed

00:02:07.460 like you know what i mean like it's just yeah it's the fact that you know you gotta finish

00:02:12.540 going through puberty i'm just doing the math on the seven kids yeah eric and i are both like what

00:02:17.240 Like 20 years older than you?

00:02:18.920 Well, 25, 25.

00:02:20.800 Yeah.

00:02:20.920 I mean, I'm doing the math on the seven kids and like, I have some power.

00:02:24.120 That's true.

00:02:24.720 I just want to start.

00:02:25.920 That's true.

00:02:26.260 I just want to say.

00:02:27.780 I've got, I had, as an eight-year-old, I had Riz.

00:02:33.040 Unbelievable Riz.

00:02:34.560 Speaking of Riz, this episode brought to you by Joe Garracy.

00:02:38.080 Backwards Planning Financial.

00:02:39.720 Known our guy, all three of us.

00:02:41.400 Yeah, he's great.

00:02:42.280 He's, in fact, people should check out the episodes that you did at NXR.

00:02:45.500 He did really good.

00:02:46.200 with with joe you guys did some stuff on caleb hammer and dave ramsey and well we did he had

00:02:51.000 like great practical wisdom um that i appreciated so much because it wasn't like your boomer you

00:02:56.840 know dave ramsey kind of wisdom like pay off your house say yeah but what if i bought it you know

00:03:01.980 pre-2020 and i have like a a 2.875 interest rate it doesn't matter so i could invest in in bonds

00:03:09.360 and actually beat that like this the math doesn't matter it doesn't matter get out of debt you know

00:03:13.600 jabe ramsey i mean is like one shot in an entire generation with bad financial counsel

00:03:18.680 um and the things it's not that it was always bad but it's just the things that he said i think

00:03:22.800 the world has changed too the world has changed so it was like that was good advice you know back

00:03:27.280 when you could buy you know for a stick of bubble gum and a pack of baseball cards you could buy a

00:03:32.800 house and you know like in full um but we actually live in a world that's challenging boomers have

00:03:37.780 never experienced that you know they've they've literally like they've never had a challenge

00:03:41.660 from the day that they were born the whole world oriented towards them um that is just not the

00:03:46.780 case actually that's not true their their greens fees have gone up and medicare only covers so

00:03:51.460 much of that that is actually true yeah i mean think of the struggle yeah you're right the

00:03:55.520 struggle's real so anyways but joe garcy was it was great we did a three-part series and he was

00:04:00.420 so helpful on um not just telling people how to get out of debt um but actually telling people

00:04:05.920 how to build wealth yeah in practical ways think not just like a poor person or even like a middle

00:04:10.260 class person but to think like the wealthy do and i like that it's he's usually a like he's a realist

00:04:15.780 kind of like we've talked about politically you have to operate in the world that actually exists

00:04:20.060 and he he does do that he doesn't try to invent some kind of like well if you're truly reformed

00:04:25.860 and you're post-millennialism informs in it he's like no let's let's actually talk about how do

00:04:31.340 people who are doing a good job of this today actually do it and without sinning but how can

00:04:36.600 we correct yeah the shrewd manager jesus indicts uh his followers for being less shrewd than the

00:04:45.040 sons of darkness and says this should not be so here we are in the world we exist in the world

00:04:50.240 we exist in we're in part two we're in part two so we're going to be talking about the political

00:04:54.580 landscape some america first some maga and really just a political savant over here joel

00:05:00.740 but yeah so we've got uh two parts this is number two we'll do number three which is on

00:05:07.800 i think we're going to be talking about something just straight down the middle controversial

00:05:12.320 just race i think we all agree probably don't even need to do the episode because we like

00:05:16.540 because everybody it goes without saying it goes without saying because we said we would

00:05:20.660 and we're men of our word we're going to do that therefore yeah so thanks for coming on your show

00:05:26.220 Joel. And I want to, I want to talk about MAGA. Yeah. I want to talk about the politics in the

00:05:32.320 landscape. I do too. As we jump into it, can we just, where people support you, NXR, you guys

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00:05:43.200 we had to build behind the scenes and install everything. But one of the guys in our church,

00:05:48.060 which is really cool getting to support, you guys do that all the time with your church family. So

00:05:52.160 uh, NXR hired a, um, super geek nerd in our church who's salt of the earth, wonderful person.

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00:06:18.260 So that was me on his platforms, um, on the PPD podcast, which is great.

00:06:23.060 I'm honored.

00:06:23.600 He had me just a one-on-one me and Patrick for two hours.

00:06:27.280 And, uh, and he really, he was really fair.

00:06:29.860 Yeah.

00:06:30.220 Like really fair.

00:06:31.020 But, uh, but on the app, it's basically, it's all of our content, but with, um, no ads and early access.

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00:06:59.820 and daily subsact articles and then we also host other books that like some of the books that are 1.00

00:07:05.060 hard to find like the jews and their lies is on there we're not going like we don't have mind 0.99

00:07:09.300 conf like there's certain things that like i think are worth reading you know from an objective 0.95

00:07:14.200 standpoint yeah you could read that as a christian and you know and obviously have some disagreements

00:07:19.280 and blah blah blah but but just for tactical purposes we're trying not to be you know just 0.88

00:07:24.980 the retard right and so but there are some books that we think are are really good not just 0.92

00:07:30.280 objective um to you know to read and take some and spit out the bones but like really good 0.78

00:07:35.320 but have fallen on disfavorite like camp of the saints yeah things like that so it'd be great

00:07:39.700 people will support you there. Joel, I want to jump into this episode. Uh, is MAGA dead? We're

00:07:44.440 going to talk America first MAGA. So that question is MAGA dead. What, how do you read the landscape?

00:07:49.400 I think MAGA is dying. So, so the answer is yes and no. Um, is MAGA fully dead? No. Um,

00:07:54.980 but you know, we're recording this at the time. Um, it's the day after the, uh, primary, uh,

00:08:01.180 Republican election in Florida, uh, Byron Donald's, uh, he won with, I don't, I can't

00:08:09.200 remember, I think he had just, just under 50% of the vote. Now this was a five-man race. So when

00:08:14.660 you think of like Casey Putsch going up against Vivek, that was a two-man race. So Casey was able

00:08:19.120 to pull 18% of the vote. Uh, James Fishback, who we endorsed and no regrets, um, fully, fully

00:08:25.100 support him. He's going to be speaking at our conference and, um, and, and we really appreciate

00:08:29.100 James and, uh, dude, nobody, nobody has, uh, worked as hard. I mean, he was doing like 15

00:08:34.340 events a day. He was responding personally to all these emails. Um, they, I think they clocked in

00:08:39.420 on their, uh, fishback phone bank, a total of, um, for the last like month, like 20, an average of

00:08:46.760 like 25 to 30,000 calls a day, um, trying to turn voters. And he, he pulled out, I think it was about

00:08:52.560 10.5% of the vote in a five man race. Yeah. NBC news has James at 10.5, Jay Collins at 25.2 and

00:08:59.880 Byron Donald's at 47.8.

00:09:01.520 Right.

00:09:01.800 And then you had Paul Renner was fourth place.

00:09:04.340 So James was third.

00:09:05.640 8.5 with Paul.

00:09:06.720 8.5.

00:09:07.720 And then I forget the-

00:09:08.920 Bobby Williams, 4.1.

00:09:10.160 And Rachel Rodriguez, 1.6.

00:09:12.160 Yeah.

00:09:12.400 So my point is, is MAGA dead?

00:09:14.560 No, because Byron didn't win that election.

00:09:17.420 That wasn't a man.

00:09:18.300 It wasn't a candidate.

00:09:19.160 It was an institution.

00:09:20.940 But you have to give credit where credit is due.

00:09:24.020 So Byron did not win that race.

00:09:25.500 um it was it was uh that race was won uh not by the voters of florida but by one vote

00:09:31.280 um and it was won by the vote of donald trump um and donald trump is the the face of maga

00:09:37.680 and the fact that donald trump can cast his single single vote and uh and that that can turn out um

00:09:44.720 a a sizable win for a state governor with a lot of financial support right so of course like byron

00:09:51.240 so Byron had about a 50, it was about a 51 to $52 million war chest sizable portion of that would

00:09:58.120 be the GOP in Florida. But also sizable portion would be Miriam Adelson. So, you know, like if

00:10:05.060 you're MAGA, like, you know, just, just, you just need to be honest, you know? So like if you're

00:10:10.520 MAGA you're a big fan of Miriam Adelson, Trump arguably could not have won without her. You got

00:10:17.240 $200 million that came from the Adelson family. If you're not familiar with them, it's a Jewish 0.81

00:10:23.060 family that does hold to Jewish supremacy that lives in America. We have battled them locally 1.00

00:10:28.660 in my state of Texas. They have worked really, really hard to start a casino that will absolutely

00:10:35.440 decimate the demographic and economically the people in Irving, Texas, strategically trying

00:10:42.020 to put it right in between Fort Worth and Dallas, Texas. I mean, they traded Luka Doncic.

00:10:47.240 yeah i'm who does this yeah that's true um so he's the white michael jordan brian i can't keep

00:10:54.320 i don't i don't get the reference and at this point i'm dallas mavericks i'm tired of pretending

00:10:59.220 so so my point is yeah yeah so the adelson's are terrible they're absolutely terrible it's a real

00:11:06.320 heritage america value business right yeah yeah so they're they're terrible for the state of texas

00:11:12.600 They're terrible for the country at large.

00:11:15.060 Huge supporters of Trump.

00:11:17.360 But again, giving credit where credit is due.

00:11:20.280 The Adelsons nailed it.

00:11:22.120 They nailed it.

00:11:23.420 Like, you want to talk about political savants.

00:11:25.460 Like, let's give honor where honor is due. 0.55

00:11:28.180 Mark Levin, he said that Donald Trump, with his arm around his neck, is the first Jewish president. 1.00

00:11:33.020 And he was right. 1.00

00:11:34.460 And Trump responded, right?

00:11:35.580 I'm not making things up.

00:11:36.580 Trump responded and said, it's true.

00:11:37.940 It's true.

00:11:39.520 Trump has been the best president Israel has ever had.

00:11:42.100 I mean, he is a great president. I wish he was our president, but he is a great president of a foreign country and serving their interest. And so Donald Trump is the one vote that got Byron elected. And notice it wasn't just that he came out and endorsed him, right? There are plenty of Trump endorsements.

00:12:02.840 He came out three times. So it took three Trump endorsements, like full-throated, long, verbose

00:12:12.060 endorsements of Byron Donald's. It also, you have to think of the landscape. So this wasn't just

00:12:16.920 David versus Goliath in the case of Fishback versus Byron, but this was David versus Goliath

00:12:22.080 if the battle had taken place in a custom-made arena by the Philistines, right? And so Florida

00:12:29.160 is the heartland of the GOP, right? Deep trenches in its MAGA land. It's also per capita, the

00:12:36.340 largest state for boomers and Jews. James Fishback is not anti-Semitic. He's not anti-Jew,

00:12:44.340 but very much against foreign interest and very much against the people of Florida serving the

00:12:49.920 interest of Israel. And he was outspoken about that. He was outspoken about Miriam Adelson.

00:12:55.520 So you have the Trump triple endorsement, you have Mary Adelson war chest, you have the GOP MAGA war chest.

00:13:02.260 And so all that to answer the question, I would be out of my mind and just intellectually dishonest if I said that MAGA was dead.

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00:16:28.740 It's not, but MAGA has a short shelf life.

00:16:33.580 It will be dead.

00:16:34.340 I can tell you exactly how it's going to happen, and it is in the very near future.

00:16:38.060 what's interesting joel uh we were talking about this offline but a lot of people were posting

00:16:42.720 this james fishback uh by everybody's telling this is mainstream media he won every college

00:16:48.800 campus precinct and he won the super majority i mean like a huge majority of people between the

00:16:55.360 ages of 18 and 34 that's right so it seems like a big part of the shift will will naturally be

00:17:00.940 generational that's right florida wasn't ready for this but their kids are gonna love it yeah

00:17:04.320 And, and you have to see that because people right now, you know, they're taking victory laps and it is what it is, you know, but here's the deal. You know what I don't like? I don't like when people, um, dude, if you, if you're going to do something, do it, say it with your chest, throw your weight in, um, don't pussyfoot. Don't, don't, uh, walk, um, you know, sit on the fence and walk on the tightrope.

00:17:29.020 um, NXR, uh, Joel Webb and person, I campaigned with James Fishback on the ground. Uh, he asked

00:17:35.220 me and he's, he's the only political candidate that I think in the year of our Lord, 2026 would

00:17:41.620 do this. He had me come out to, um, to start off one of his political rallies. There was like 500

00:17:47.180 people, the energy, the motion, as the kids would say, was, um, incredible to witness. There was

00:17:51.740 like 500 people. And this is not a conference that, um, like ours that it's being promoted

00:17:56.840 and organized, you know, for months and months and months.

00:17:59.340 This is quick turnaround, five days notice,

00:18:01.940 500 people pack out a room.

00:18:05.140 And he has me come to not just give a speech,

00:18:08.420 but to give a sermon.

00:18:09.600 It was a 20 minute sermon from Joshua chapter one.

00:18:12.320 I literally started, I said,

00:18:13.120 please stand for the reading of God's word.

00:18:14.840 And all these people, there's Catholics, 0.94

00:18:16.540 there's non-Christians, there's, you know,

00:18:18.520 and they're all excited to hear the word of God.

00:18:22.260 And they're there because they're excited

00:18:24.800 about what James represents.

00:18:26.500 It's not just about this man, but it really is this mission and this message that he represents.

00:18:31.900 And so they stand for the reading of God's word.

00:18:33.700 And I preach, you know, a sermonette on Joshua chapter one and being very courageous, you know, strong, courageous.

00:18:40.960 Sermonettes, so you preach for like two hours?

00:18:42.840 For 20 minutes, believe it or not.

00:18:44.120 How long was the 20-minute sermon?

00:18:47.140 I actually clocked in at 17.

00:18:49.920 Wow, that is amazing.

00:18:51.760 Self-restraint.

00:18:52.180 That is amazing.

00:18:52.960 It was hard.

00:18:53.580 It was hard.

00:18:53.960 The hardest thing I've ever done.

00:18:54.900 So, but anyway, so we, we did that, uh, but we campaigned for fishback. We had him on the show

00:19:00.800 seven different times. Um, uh, you know, him and I, you know, uh, talked on the phone

00:19:05.580 multiple times. And, uh, and so, you know, James got 10.5% of the vote. He lost, he came in third

00:19:12.240 place and I'm not going to sit here in the aftermath and do the Homer Simpson, you know,

00:19:16.500 slowly backing up into the bushes. That's so gay. It's so effeminate. Um, I supported James, 1.00

00:19:23.440 not because I was convinced that he would win this this go around, but because I believe that

00:19:29.260 what he represents is the future of the GOP in American politics. And and I think the fact,

00:19:35.680 you know, going to your point, 35 and under in the turnout that he got shows that it's not

00:19:41.020 it's not really a matter of if it's simply a matter of when.

00:19:44.760 What do you think main differences for people who know where for America first versus MAGA?

00:19:49.640 what are the differences like what are the differences what are the major things that

00:19:53.380 would set them apart yeah so the major things is like america first is running candidates that

00:19:57.980 would serve um uh as you know whether it's governor or president it would be america's president

00:20:02.860 you know or florida's governor and not israel's um so that i mean that is probably number one

00:20:09.780 on the list is um is being against foreign interests and not using the american people

00:20:16.160 if you ever watched the matrix you know morpheus says there's this scene where he's like you know

00:20:20.040 what is a human being you know and talking about ai and robots taking over the world and they're

00:20:24.120 keeping us in pods you know while we're in the simulation with our minds but they're draining

00:20:28.440 our life force and are you know living off of us for energy and he holds up you know a duracell

00:20:33.180 battery it's like this is a human being we've been reduced to a battery and that is i think

00:20:38.880 in a prescient way you could say what is an american um he's a battery uh that's that's 0.91

00:20:45.720 what we've been reducing when you look at usa aid you know supporting transgender studies in iraq

00:20:50.860 you know or afghanistan and you look at all the money and billions of dollars that we give to

00:20:55.060 israel you look at ukraine and what we've done there um at the end of the day what is an american

00:21:00.600 an american is a battery um to ultimately just like like atlas lift up the entire world and hold

00:21:07.580 it on his shoulders. And that's treason. So what is America first? Well, first America first is

00:21:14.800 against treason. And that's a good policy. Yeah, I think that's a good straightforward. And so

00:21:20.780 that would be one of the main differences. I think in addition to that, that America first 0.97

00:21:25.320 is more explicitly Christian. Now, here's the thing with any new movement, it's a work in 0.53

00:21:30.860 progress. And so there's an evolution. And so there was a moment, I admit, and I was on the

00:21:37.340 forefront of this, but there was a moment where in the America first, you know, a backroom chats

00:21:43.740 and, uh, and, and formation and these kinds of things, um, they were entertaining very much

00:21:49.960 entertaining, um, the idea of this bipartisan, you know, unity between the left and the right,

00:21:56.400 or even, um, even a, a coalescing and co belligerency with, with Islam's against, 0.56

00:22:02.680 you know, our Muslims against Jewish interests, you know, maybe the Christians and the Muslims

00:22:07.280 can you know we can get along you know we can be natural allies because at the end of the day you

00:22:12.060 know muslims um actually have a high view of christ and say yeah the simplest way to say 0.99

00:22:16.480 muslims love a fake jesus and jews hate the real jesus neither one of those are good so muslims do 0.96

00:22:22.320 love jesus they do um but it's not the jesus the but it's a jesus that doesn't exist they deny his 0.95

00:22:27.800 deity um whereas uh jews have um a view of of jesus it's more accurate in the sense that um 0.80

00:22:35.780 And it's not despite this, it's precisely because they acknowledge Jesus' claims towards his own deity that Muslims kind of sweep under the rug. 1.00

00:22:44.660 Jews actually acknowledge that, which is precisely why they believe he was a blasphemer and the bastard son of a whore and that he's currently boiling in human excrement in hell. 1.00

00:22:55.420 So Jews hate the real Jesus, Muslims love a fake Jesus, but then take Jesus aside and look at his followers, right? 1.00

00:23:01.660 So now, not their view of Christ, but their view of Christians. 0.99

00:23:05.980 Israel spits on Christians. 0.79

00:23:07.780 They do. 1.00

00:23:09.100 Israel hates Christians. 1.00

00:23:11.360 But Muslims behead Christians. 1.00

00:23:15.740 And we have to acknowledge that. 1.00

00:23:17.480 Like, you can go to Dubai and be treated with respect.

00:23:21.460 You know, you can go to certain parts of Qatar, and depending who you are and how significant of a person you are, they're going to roll out the red carpet for you.

00:23:28.520 If you ever watched like Seth Rogen, who's insufferable, but if you ever watched him and James Franco, the interview where they go to North Korea and they're interviewing, you know, Kim Jong-un and doing this whole thing.

00:23:40.360 That's, I mean, right now that's happening in Israel and that's also happening in Muslim countries.

00:23:45.640 And we need to be objective, have a clear head about this.

00:23:48.440 So there's, in Israel, you can take the trip, right?

00:23:53.000 All expense paid.

00:23:54.540 Yoram Hozoni, he gives you a call.

00:23:56.820 He gave me a call.

00:23:57.560 um this was you know a couple years ago at this point but um i i did not take the trip right you

00:24:03.840 got the call but you didn't take the trip right and we don't even get the call so we didn't get

00:24:08.140 just just again to prove that you're a lib and we're not right we didn't get the call yeah fair

00:24:14.020 um so i i got the call i did not take the trip uh but um but the way that it works it's not

00:24:19.620 explicit right nobody's going to be that on the nose where it's like we're going to pay you money

00:24:23.300 to do X, Y, and Z. It doesn't work that way. You get invited on an all expense trip and the pitch

00:24:28.140 is, Hey, you're a Christian. Don't you want to see the streets where Jesus walked? Which is kind of

00:24:33.080 cool. Like if I didn't think that, you know, that the IDF would arrest me and threaten my family,

00:24:37.480 I might go, you know, like I'm, I'm not against going to Israel, but I am against passive

00:24:43.600 bribes. It's a, it's a trail of incentives that are aligned to say. So if you go on the trip and

00:24:49.140 then you come back and you say good things about Israel, or at least don't say bad things,

00:24:53.300 Then the next step is you get a breakout session at NatCon.

00:24:56.980 But NatCon, they're nationalists.

00:24:58.440 They're based, they're right wing, right?

00:24:59.700 I mean, these guys, they're pro-America.

00:25:02.960 But conveniently, there'll be a panel between Al Mohler and Doug Wilson.

00:25:07.340 And one of the pinnacle questions, because all of it really is just dressing to get to the real issue,

00:25:11.820 how will Jews be treated under Christian nationalism? 0.65

00:25:14.460 To which will be, it'll be insisted that Jews will actually be treated better under Christian nationalism.

00:25:22.260 So we will actually be more Jewish and more pro-Israel under, you know, Judeo-Christian nationalism, according to Doug Wilson.

00:25:30.540 And so you'll get a breakout session, but it'll be, you know, right wing.

00:25:33.600 It'll be nationalist.

00:25:34.600 You know, Will Chamberlain will be there. 0.92

00:25:36.040 He works for Yorm Hazoni.

00:25:37.160 I just did a debate against him. 1.00

00:25:39.020 He's a raging Zionist. 0.99

00:25:40.880 And then, you know, but it's on American soil. 0.97

00:25:43.260 You know, how bad can it be? 0.90

00:25:44.340 You know, but then you'll find out that next year they're hosting it in Jerusalem is where Nat Khan will be. 0.71

00:25:50.040 Is Yorm, is he an American?

00:25:51.880 No. 1.00

00:25:53.120 So he doesn't live here.

00:25:53.920 But he cares very much about American politics.

00:25:56.180 Where does he live? 0.98

00:25:57.000 He lives in Jerusalem.

00:25:58.340 He lives in Israel. 0.53

00:25:59.280 Interesting.

00:25:59.840 Okay.

00:26:00.640 Yep.

00:26:01.300 I didn't know that.

00:26:02.080 And for the record, you can go on that trip.

00:26:03.700 We have lots of friends who have.

00:26:05.080 Lots of friends.

00:26:05.840 They know who they are.

00:26:06.600 They might be listening to this right now.

00:26:09.220 They're really hoping we don't say their names.

00:26:11.460 Yeah, they are.

00:26:12.700 And we won't.

00:26:13.540 Because it is an indictment, but not inherently so.

00:26:17.080 So Calvin Robinson, I'll say his name because he's on the NXR network with me and a friend.

00:26:20.880 And Calvin Robinson went on the trip.

00:26:23.400 He came back more anti-Semitic than ever.

00:26:28.640 It didn't work.

00:26:29.400 Now, he's not really an anti-Semite, and neither am I.

00:26:32.040 Neither of us hate Jews on account of them by blood being Jewish.

00:26:36.060 We don't.

00:26:37.140 But he came back very much anti-Israel, the government of Israel,

00:26:42.580 and Netanyahu, and all those kinds of things,

00:26:43.980 and has never been invited back.

00:26:46.060 Um, but so you, you can go on the trip and it's not inherently sinful or wrong.

00:26:51.920 But I have noticed that many people have gone on the trip and, uh, they may not come back 0.94

00:26:56.800 and, and be, you know, raging Zionists, you know, posting positive things about Israel 0.95

00:27:01.220 every other day. 0.89

00:27:02.400 But they will at least be suspiciously quiet, very quiet.

00:27:06.700 They'll go on that trip.

00:27:07.820 And because they recognize that there really is institutional power.

00:27:11.180 Yoram Hazoni has major sway as the president of NatCon and major sway, even though he lives in Israel, major sway in America with Will Chamberlain and all these different organizations.

00:27:22.540 And what you'll find is that even if you have like a historic reformed view, you're not anti-Israel at all.

00:27:32.060 You're just a covenant theologian and not a dispensationalist. 0.57

00:27:35.440 And you just believe, like, for instance, you know, and you guys can edit this out if you want, but the seed of Abraham is Christians, right?

00:27:42.780 And not Jews according to the flesh.

00:27:45.120 Edit it out.

00:27:45.880 We have the book on our set, right?

00:27:47.940 But you might find that you don't want to promote that book.

00:27:52.780 And the question would be why?

00:27:55.080 And the answer is, I think, undeniably, inevitably, the answer is because you don't want to truncate your opportunities.

00:28:04.040 You know, that there might be a call that opens up a door that, you know, you get to do this or you get to do that.

00:28:09.280 And you'll be less inclined to do it, even at your own personal detriment, even at promoting things that you did that are not Jew hatred at all, that are the historic Christian position and perfectly biblical.

00:28:24.260 It will change your calculus.

00:28:26.640 It will.

00:28:27.100 And so my point is on that kind of a trip and those kinds of things, guys like Yorm, organizations, associations, things like NatCon, it's back to the interview, you know, the Kim Jong-un, North Korea thing.

00:28:41.740 You're going to have a simulated experience.

00:28:45.880 You're going to go on that trip and they're only going to take you to certain places and you're only going to see certain sites and you're going to be treated a certain way.

00:28:52.720 just like when james franco and you know and seth rogan they show up and they find you know the one

00:28:57.800 fat kid in all of north korea because everybody else is starving they put him up in front of a

00:29:01.660 paper mache grocery store to make it seem like north koreans are thriving but it's all simulated 0.75

00:29:06.320 it's all fake and to be fair back to america first um very much muslim nations are doing the same 0.73

00:29:12.320 thing on the other side of the aisle so if you're a tucker carlson all right because here's the 0.60

00:29:16.940 thing this is part why joel webin is hated because i am painfully honest and i will be objective

00:29:21.980 about my own team and about my own self and not just the people i disagree with i love tucker

00:29:27.260 carlson i like him more not less more as of late tucker however um if you think that tucker

00:29:37.080 is not taking the nat khan yorm huzoni equivalent trip to the muslim nations and that they are not

00:29:44.560 rolling out the red carpet for tucker carlson and simulating an experience there like and here's

00:29:50.600 the thing the reason i say it is not to pick on tucker i love tucker i got to go and visit him

00:29:54.680 you know every now and then we'll text back and forth and his brother buckley is going to be

00:29:58.380 speaking at the conference that we're all at um and buckley is great um dude he's hated more than

00:30:05.080 me buckley does not care he will say anything right anything you put on the teleprompter he

00:30:10.480 will say no he will say anything he does not care um i love and i love buckley tucker has been soft

00:30:16.840 on islam like let's just be honest he has and if tucker won't listen to this because he's fly

00:30:22.580 fishing somewhere he's not he's not terminally online his you know all this content's online

00:30:26.780 but somebody else is posting it for him is it like tucker is that he's living his best life 0.96

00:30:30.380 now tucker is is not in the weeds he doesn't give a crap you know what people say about him

00:30:34.080 um he's actually i think a really healthy person he like by his own admission none of this is 0.96

00:30:38.980 you know gossip uh struggle with alcoholism back in the day you know fox news rupert murder

00:30:44.080 Murdoch will do that to drive you to alcoholism. But since breaking away, he's super healthy.

00:30:50.500 His prayer life, every morning, him and his wife are going through scripture. He was actually in

00:30:55.240 the gospel of Matthew too. And we're preaching through Matthew. And so we're talking about

00:30:57.900 Matthew together. When I went out there with Jordan Hall, who did a fantastic job on that

00:31:02.260 podcast. But Tucker is being soft on Islam. And the reason I'm sympathetic, I am sympathetic

00:31:08.060 and being unbiased. I'm also sympathetic to some of our friends who went on the Israel trip

00:31:12.660 is because it's syndicated it's syndicated when when tucker says muslims don't hate christians

00:31:19.300 um he's not lying there's a difference between the guy who's being blatantly dishonest

00:31:24.580 lying through his teeth versus the guy who is visiting thousands of muslims and they're all

00:31:29.980 telling them how much they love christians because they know that this guy is powerful

00:31:33.640 and and they know that america is powerful and that he has domestic influence in america and

00:31:38.940 can wield it in favorable ways towards muslims tucker's being soft on muslims because muslims

00:31:43.980 are being exceedingly nice to tucker carlson we have to be aware of the incentive structures in 0.72

00:31:48.700 our own lives of course and how they they shape up because they do everybody wants to pretend

00:31:53.880 especially everybody who's never had any kind of platform and has a very different you know

00:31:58.820 not many people are trying to incentivize you to be their spokesperson because you're not important

00:32:03.920 And neither am I.

00:32:05.500 We don't have these temptations because who are we?

00:32:08.460 No, but we have to be honest about, well, you know, the thought process.

00:32:11.800 When you start thinking, well, you know, but if I say this thing, I don't really believe it, but maybe I could just not say anything at all.

00:32:20.140 Yeah, or say something nice or at least not say anything at all.

00:32:23.920 Because it'll close the door or it'll open a door.

00:32:26.420 Exactly, so equal weights and measures.

00:32:28.540 That's why all the doors are closed for us.

00:32:29.680 All the people who went on the paid trip to Israel.

00:32:31.340 That's the secret.

00:32:32.120 Get all the doors closed.

00:32:33.920 Right. And then you're just, you're in a room with whoever wants to be there.

00:32:37.740 But you have no temptation, but that, but that is, but that's, but that's the truth. So it's

00:32:42.200 like our friends who we love, I'm not disowning these people. I'm not like trying to disparage

00:32:47.120 them, but, but our guys who took the trip and, and did the NatCon thing with Jorm, they are at

00:32:53.000 most going to be silent on the Israel issue, if not occasionally throwing them a bone, saying

00:32:57.600 something positive. And, and Tucker is the same thing. The difference though, is Tucker's way

00:33:01.540 bigger right and so he's going to naturally and probably rightfully um curate more more criticism

00:33:07.540 because he's influencing more people when tucker says something soft about islam it does have

00:33:12.320 larger consequences um he is you know those who have been given great power have great

00:33:17.160 responsibility you know and and so that's true but my point is we can be sympathetic towards

00:33:21.360 both sides and say look like we we just forget between israel between uh qatar saudi arabia

00:33:28.540 uh, Dubai. Um, and, and then also between Russia, Russia, dude, have you seen some of the Russia

00:33:33.960 slop coming out from American influencers, whether it's Candace. Yep. Like, um, and you can,

00:33:40.520 you can see it's like, it's verbatim, um, point by point, uh, propaganda. Uh, it's, it's like

00:33:48.080 Russia either paid you to say this, or there's some kind of incentive. And again, right. Um,

00:33:54.020 love hopes, all things, giving the benefit of the doubt. Um, you know, like maybe they didn't pay

00:33:59.280 you. Maybe you didn't take a blatant bribe. Um, but you went on a trip to Russia and they were

00:34:03.840 exceedingly kind because you're high up in American influence. That's probably what happened

00:34:09.020 to Candace, right? It probably wasn't like some guy, you know, twiddling his fingers with an evil

00:34:15.660 mustache. And he's got like a cat that he's petting in his lap and Candace, I will pay you

00:34:19.700 this blood money i took it from children you know just say things about it probably wasn't like that 0.98

00:34:24.380 it was probably candace come and visit russia and actually see what and then she's taken to

00:34:27.900 specific places and meets with specific people and it's all curated someone said um something

00:34:33.860 to me on twitter on facebook today uh they they said you know you're you're just joining this team

00:34:40.640 that hates erica kirk and all this you know you believe erica you know murdered her husband and

00:34:45.920 blah, blah, blah. No, I don't believe that. Somehow you're mistaking me for a, for a black

00:34:49.580 woman because I don't hate Erica. And I don't necessarily think Erica Kirk murdered her 0.61

00:34:55.580 husband. And here's the thing with, like with Candace, um, I'm not going to disparage her

00:34:59.460 either. And there are people that I will absolutely, I mean, I will, I will go with

00:35:03.640 like zeal against. Um, so it's not like, Oh, I'm just nice to everybody. Um, anybody who follows

00:35:09.400 my Twitter account knows that's not true. So I'm not going to pretend it is, uh, when the time

00:35:12.980 comes, I go hard in the paint. But the reason I'm not going to disparage Candace is I really do

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00:37:06.260 I really do.

00:37:07.100 um so i disagree with a lot of her assessments i think that you know here's the thing things

00:37:13.200 snowball that's why we all have to be careful um first couple months after charlie's death

00:37:19.460 um some of the things that candace was saying not all of them but some of the things were

00:37:23.680 actually quite reasonable to have some concerns to have questions and be like i don't know like

00:37:29.680 was this really related to charlie kirk's position on transgenderism or is it more that he was

00:37:36.700 souring on American Israel relations and him being so integral and what that, how that would

00:37:41.860 affect other Americans. Like to, there's a difference in saying Israel killed Charlie

00:37:45.760 Kirk versus saying, I think Charlie's evolving views on Israel, um, were more integral to the

00:37:53.140 motive for whoever killed Charlie. Like that's a different statement, you know? And so, but

00:37:58.220 here's the thing. Clicks are powerful, a powerful incentive and, and you can get carried away. And

00:38:05.680 And then you just, and you create, so you can have a syndicated experience with Israel,

00:38:11.260 syndicated experience with Qatar.

00:38:12.720 You can unwittingly also give in.

00:38:15.940 Here's another thing that can hoodwink us, audience capture.

00:38:19.440 That's why, I know this sounds funny, but one of the reasons I actually really respect

00:38:23.480 Nick Fuentes, Nick Fuentes refuses to give in, not just to Israel or to foreign interest

00:38:30.740 or Russia propaganda or Qatar.

00:38:32.860 are, Nick Fuentes will not even give in to his own ardent followers. People are literally going

00:38:39.260 and giving plasma and eating ramen noodles and giving their only $45 in a super chat to Nick

00:38:45.940 Fuentes. I love you, Nick. And he's like, I hate you. You know, this is like bashing his own

00:38:50.420 audience. And like, and sometimes it's a bit over the top, but my point is there was a moment there

00:38:54.960 where Nick's audience was very, very much wanting him to get more conspiratorial on the Erica Kirk

00:39:02.200 and the Charlie Kirk assassination and TPUSA.

00:39:05.840 And he just said against, he could have gotten the numbers.

00:39:10.260 Candace's numbers, you guys think that, 1.00

00:39:12.020 oh, she's retarded. 1.00

00:39:13.420 Candace's numbers are higher than ever. 1.00

00:39:15.080 Well, they're insane. 0.65

00:39:15.840 Tucker's numbers are higher than ever. 1.00

00:39:17.600 And not just with brown people in the third world. 0.93

00:39:20.080 Tucker is massively influential.

00:39:22.240 And if you disagree with him,

00:39:23.380 you have even more cause to admit the reality

00:39:26.720 that he's influential because you should measure,

00:39:28.700 if you consider someone a political opponent,

00:39:30.460 you want to view your opponents with sober judgment you need to be aware get off the copium

00:39:35.420 tucker carlson is more influential than ever candace owens is more influential than ever nick

00:39:41.160 had a 2025 generational run and then actually capped and has come down not entirely but some

00:39:47.880 and was willing to to pause in terms of influence because he would not give into audience capture

00:39:55.000 The thing I think that just fatigues me in it all, and I just get so suspicious of it, and it really slows me down a lot of the time, is that I just can't abide by with low IQ conspiratorialism, low IQ anti-Semitism, low IQ one-dimensionalization of politics, low IQ prediction marketing.

00:40:18.920 this kind of stuff is is real and odd and i'm bringing it up because audience capture is such

00:40:25.120 a huge part of it you know where even even today we had an episode as we're recording this of

00:40:30.780 haunted cosmos that came that came out and there's probably two episodes of haunted cosmos that have

00:40:35.020 made our our own fan base like more annoyed with us than anything and it's the moon landing episode

00:40:40.480 and this one because on the moon landing i believe we went to the moon 100 call me call me uh uh

00:40:48.160 whatever you, whatever you want, you could say, I got the call.

00:40:51.540 I've been captured by the NASA elites.

00:40:54.560 Why do you believe we landed on the moon?

00:40:56.000 Well, I, there's like,

00:40:57.080 you won't give into anti-white hatred because it was one of our greatest

00:41:00.200 accomplishments of white Christian men. That's right.

00:41:02.540 And I just also think it happened because I think it happened. 0.53

00:41:06.560 We stopped landing on the moon at the time of, of civil rights.

00:41:11.280 So the thing is like, what, what really bothers me, and I just can't,

00:41:14.560 can't, I can't go with it is when you, if you believe, as I think we all do, that in the world

00:41:21.600 God made, there's a big bell curve. Okay. And on that bell curve, you have a very small percentage

00:41:27.900 of people who are completely almost non-functionally retarded way on the left side of the bell curve. 1.00

00:41:34.060 And then on the right side of the bell curve, you have, you know, your complete geniuses. 0.99

00:41:39.560 And then you have a smaller subsection of people that are your one thirties and above, and you've

00:41:44.160 got your smaller section on the left that are your you're the 80 to 95 kind of range and then 0.98

00:41:50.080 you've got this really big middle and that middle in a lot of ways is retarded yeah so like not 0.90

00:41:56.980 not clinically like i'm not talking about the far way on the left side of the bell curve 0.99

00:42:01.140 but that middle they one of the most dangerous aspects of that middle range is that they are

00:42:07.320 very bad at telling when they're being deceived or they're very bad at telling at interrogating

00:42:12.700 the reasons that they've arrived at their own conclusions. Now geniuses and high IQ people

00:42:17.120 are also very susceptible to this in their own ways, but it's different. And what you'll find

00:42:22.140 is that when you have a large platform of anything, by the laws of averages, most of the

00:42:29.180 people in that audience are in that middle. They are not elite geniuses and they're not complete

00:42:35.020 like they're just in that middle and so they will try to steer you into whatever the most cartoon

00:42:43.780 and low iq or midwit version of your thing is so if you're haunted cosmos and you do

00:42:50.540 high strangeness and conspiracies which i love to do like i'm super interested in it and there

00:42:55.000 are some real bangers in the world like martin luther king jr's assassination the fbi killed 0.68

00:42:59.840 and jfk and like there's some real like these are actual conspiracies however that midwit

00:43:07.440 majority will try to push you into unless you agree with me that there is an ice wall around

00:43:14.260 the flat earth and we can't get to the moon because of the firmament right then you are not 0.99

00:43:20.620 just wrong but you've been you're a liar definitely captured and you are an evil elite you're a part 0.98

00:43:26.600 of a huge conspiracy that somehow includes hundreds of thousands of people. Even though 1.00

00:43:30.680 we know that even three people together in the same room can hardly get along and accomplish

00:43:33.940 anything. This conspiracy has managed to keep secret from hundreds of thousands of people.

00:43:38.240 And it's like, when you get to that level, there's a certain type of stubbornness you

00:43:44.280 have to have to say, I know that it would make me more successful. And I know that it

00:43:51.660 would make me more wealthy and i know it'd make me more popular to go a little bit lower iq to

00:43:59.140 just a little bit and and but i'm gonna shave five points off and then you know what you're

00:44:04.500 gonna have to do the next week shave off shave five more yeah and then and then before you know

00:44:08.960 it you've landed and you're like then you're you have to imitate a 94 iq content creator and most 0.90

00:44:14.860 of those guys who are doing this stuff they're not 94 iq they're not idiots right they've been

00:44:19.220 audience capture that's right and that's the part that i just some of my hesitance in even many of

00:44:25.100 these subjects is because i'm so wary of that and it disgusts me so much that the thing i want to be

00:44:32.580 able to do i think you want to be able to do it too i think like the thing that we're trying to

00:44:35.460 do is i want to be able to tell the truth about any topic as i see it that's right regardless of

00:44:40.520 what room it gets you in regardless of what stage it gets you on like even when you a huge part of

00:44:46.940 your audience is like, man, that I, I know you all really want me to say this. I'm not going to

00:44:53.360 say it. Right. Right. Cause I don't think it's true. Yes. And you have to, you have to guard

00:44:58.900 yourself. Um, but you also have to be discerning and being able to identify the people who have

00:45:03.360 not guarded themselves and you need to be able to be objective to identify them on both sides of

00:45:08.780 the issue. Yes. So like you need to be able, I'll give a case study to watch the interview

00:45:13.540 that doug wilson performed with tucker carlson and whether you're maga or whether you're america

00:45:19.980 first you need to be able to say i have my team and i have my reasons but i'm able to watch that

00:45:25.160 interview and even if you're joel webbin who has been i think personally i think objectively

00:45:30.540 personally wronged by doug wilson i'm able to watch that interview and say um that both of

00:45:37.320 these men i like tucker doug i feel like wronged me both of these men not just one of them

00:45:43.220 are saying things that are categorically untrue so um tucker is is being too soft on islam

00:45:52.280 and at the same time though doug is doing the exact same thing for jews and it is in principle

00:46:00.020 it is the same thing why will jews be and we know this because we've had conversations in

00:46:07.340 the back rooms and you know what again this is you know if we are live i want to just say this

00:46:11.820 but you guys can edit and post if you feel like it's not appropriate.

00:46:15.380 But, but you guys know this, you've had,

00:46:19.640 you didn't just have to scour the blogs and the podcast to come to this

00:46:22.880 conclusion, but you've,

00:46:23.780 you've had the face-to-face conversations with Moscow and,

00:46:28.580 and some of the leaders there where it was said like, but why,

00:46:32.340 why this, this Christian, you know, Judeo-Christian alliance.

00:46:35.200 And they've looked you in the eyes and told you point blank because 0.88

00:46:38.480 Christian nationalism will not win without the Jews. 0.93

00:46:41.820 yeah right that's the answer that they gave and and that's their calculus and they went all in 0.91

00:46:48.780 uh they they they bet on that horse they made that judgment and they said uh we want to win 0.92

00:46:54.840 we want to ingratiate ourselves with institutional power and it can't be done without the jews 0.72

00:47:00.140 um and then you have a guy like tucker carlson who's like i don't think we win 0.88

00:47:05.800 without some of the Muslims. 0.77

00:47:09.800 But my point is what we have to do 0.99

00:47:11.720 is not give in to either,

00:47:13.440 but also at the same time,

00:47:15.060 be able objectively to identify the pitfall with both

00:47:19.480 and not just play favorites.

00:47:22.140 Yeah.

00:47:22.740 It's one of the reasons that

00:47:24.040 even when you get into the subject of this episode,

00:47:27.800 MAGA, America first,

00:47:32.720 I am always thinking,

00:47:35.040 i'm wary i would say of one dimensionalization where we we say like and this is how i'm this

00:47:44.420 is how my side is going to win because i i think we we can see that with the trump administrations

00:47:49.740 where we can say a lot of us and we said well this is how we're going to win like we're going

00:47:54.160 to get trump we're going to do this you can do the trade is going to change globalism is going

00:47:58.300 to change we're going to send everybody back it's going to be like this and then what you get is

00:48:02.400 it's not all like trump is just the president of israel right and it's not all negative immigration

00:48:10.520 everything the left theory was first time in my lifetime so he did some things that are really

00:48:15.100 good and he did some things that are really bad and also on the he did some things that are really

00:48:20.320 good the problems that he's facing are some of them so intractable that there is no political

00:48:26.780 solution to them in my opinion or at least the political solutions are so unlikely they could

00:48:32.200 happen, but they would require such a groundswell in such a short amount of time that in order to

00:48:38.520 solve some of these issues without either inevitable decline of the American empire and

00:48:42.620 dissolution, like it's just, it's relegation to 10th, 15th, 17th place in the world or

00:48:48.180 bloodshed are so unlikely that the most likely outcomes are probably some middling, not with a

00:48:56.580 bang, but with a whimper sort of outcome. Yeah. And so I really don't want that to be true.

00:49:00.920 Like I want America, I wanted Trump to come and send 20 million back. And I really want America first, real America first. Like I really want it to win. Help me not black pill.

00:49:14.200 Joel. Yeah, that's what I'm getting. So you're right. So like, again, there should be a tempered sympathy, even for those that we disagree with in recognizing that there are multiple factors at play. There are forces larger than ourself. We're talking about international forces. We're talking about foreign influence, whole nation states, whole governments, massive amounts of money, also bribery and blackmail and threats and all these different things.

00:49:41.500 Trump is under immense pressure. However, some of the quagmires that he is currently in where

00:49:49.320 there may not be a politically viable solution, those I'm far less inclined to fault him for.

00:49:57.940 What I fault him for is some of the quagmires that he created. So some of the places that

00:50:04.880 we're in right now where there really isn't a viable path out, some of those we just have to

00:50:10.220 recognize that um trump trump got us into that position like the position we're at with iran

00:50:18.400 right now yeah is because at minimum right so uh giving the benefit of the doubt giving charity

00:50:24.720 at minimum you have to say that that trump apart from his ego that might be his number one weakness

00:50:30.460 but apart from his ego his second weakness is you have to say that trump um has an incredible lack

00:50:38.420 of discernment trump um picks the worst people yes you're talking about specifically yeah like

00:50:44.880 people who are around him pam bonding uh jared kushner um pete hexath uh trump's picks um are

00:50:56.800 atrocious and and you know we're talking about you know having a a pseudo reality syndicated

00:51:03.300 um if that's happening for doug wilson if it's happening for tucker carlson if it's happening

00:51:07.880 I mean, with Tucker, it may be, you know, Saudi Arabia with Wilson.

00:51:11.640 It may be Yoram Hazoni in Israel with Candace.

00:51:14.640 It may be her own audience, audience capture.

00:51:16.960 There's a lot of different groups that can syndicate that.

00:51:21.660 With Trump, it was very much people who were close to him,

00:51:26.020 and not just those formerly in the administration,

00:51:27.880 but those who were, you know, organically influencing Susie Wiles.

00:51:31.060 We have guys who are on the ground who know what's going on.

00:51:33.800 There were months and months where Susie Wiles would not let anyone

00:51:37.020 who was against the war in Iran

00:51:38.620 a step within 200 feet of the Oval Office.

00:51:41.720 You know, you're Laura Loomers and Mark Levin's

00:51:43.420 and Lindsey Graham's and all these individuals

00:51:45.180 are slipping in.

00:51:46.880 Jared Kushner, I think, is a massive problem

00:51:49.940 and syndicating for Trump a reality.

00:51:52.300 You know, people are so proud of you.

00:51:54.220 You've never been higher in the polls.

00:51:56.080 You know, Trump was literally bragging about that.

00:51:57.860 I don't think Trump is blatantly lying.

00:51:59.480 I think he was duped.

00:52:00.860 Trump was bragging just a few months ago

00:52:02.620 that he had a 100% approval rating from MAGA.

00:52:07.020 He did not have a 100% approval rating from his prior race.

00:52:10.360 But you're saying you think he actually believed that.

00:52:11.780 But CNN said it, and everyone close to Trump echoed it, and Trump believed it.

00:52:19.200 And it gave him all the more fervor to continue with this war and getting us stuck between a rock and a hard place.

00:52:27.960 I think Trump knows now, and he's pissed.

00:52:30.580 He knows now, but it's too late.

00:52:33.560 So now there's not really a viable solution.

00:52:35.340 But you rewind the tape, and if he had had more discernment, and you have to fault him for that.

00:52:41.500 At the end of the day, this is the way authority works.

00:52:43.400 The buck stops there.

00:52:44.440 It's your fault.

00:52:45.360 He makes the call.

00:52:46.500 And even if he got bad counsel, well, he picked the people who gave him the bad counsel.

00:52:50.900 And if you say, well, it's Minneapolis, what can we do?

00:52:54.080 You've got all these political agitators and Marxists, and Renee Goodes trying to run someone over with her car.

00:52:59.840 And what are you going to do?

00:53:00.880 And the optics are terrible.

00:53:02.040 okay but um but what trump has shown is the resolve not to back down from iran but he did

00:53:09.680 back down from minnesota so like it actually can be done against the optics everybody hates the war

00:53:16.900 in iran every trump is at an all-time low pull so if you say well but the thing that was hard

00:53:21.940 domestically when it comes to some of these blue states and going up against tim walls and these

00:53:25.860 kinds of things is the american people were pissed the american people are pissed about iran i mean

00:53:31.240 you can see the clips of JD Vance saying, seize the foundation, seize the this, go grab. We needed

00:53:37.120 like all of this very strong arm, federal concentrated power leverage. So he retreated

00:53:43.520 on the domestic issue that he was elected for with a popular vote, a mandate for mass deportations. 0.78

00:53:50.980 That's the number one reason I voted for him. I live in a border state. I have six children

00:53:55.140 and I want the border closed, which he did. And I want immigrants out, not just closing the border, 1.00

00:54:01.240 net negative immigration was not the promise why do you think it didn't happen it didn't happen 0.99

00:54:06.780 because you only have so much political capital to spend i think one of the reasons it didn't

00:54:11.060 happen is trump knew i have to show resolve and refuse to back down no matter how upset the

00:54:16.600 american people are somewhere and so i'm going to do it for israel instead of my own voting base

00:54:22.920 one of the questions i have as well when you think about political capital and where it comes from

00:54:27.440 is that it might also simply be the case

00:54:31.360 that the concentration of political power

00:54:34.180 doesn't have the will or desire to see mass deportation

00:54:38.580 because fundamentally it still is operating

00:54:40.660 on the software of liberalism.

00:54:43.700 It's still thinking in terms of propositional nationhood,

00:54:46.920 mostly.

00:54:48.640 It's still like, if you really push it down to the principle,

00:54:52.880 most, I think most GOP voters

00:54:55.120 would have a hard time holding the line and arguing for anything other than something like

00:55:00.160 propositional nationhood at the end of the day. But I think the other thing that's really hard

00:55:04.660 though, is so like you have these, the 2024 election cycle and you run on a platform because

00:55:11.240 these ideas are taking off about, you know, heritage America, some Christian nationalism,

00:55:16.700 whatever it is, immigration is a huge issue. Uh, so you run on that, but then as we saw in Florida,

00:55:24.360 it comes to the question of the people the will i think you're caught in this world where two

00:55:30.040 systems are colliding like the liberal order is dying yes something new is ascending but at the

00:55:36.060 end of the day like in florida boomers are still controlling that world yes and so like you see jd 0.66

00:55:42.180 vance at certain points talking very much like he would like consume our type of content and then

00:55:47.660 the decisions don't follow right politically time if you boiled it down and again this is the power

00:55:53.480 of MAGA, the fact that I think it's dying, but it's certainly not dead as it currently rests.

00:55:59.680 At the same time, even with James Fishback's exact talking points and his message and his

00:56:05.880 campaign, without changing a single thing, you can look at the number of votes that these

00:56:12.020 individuals from, you know, Donald's to Collins to Fishback to Renner, the amount of a dollar

00:56:20.760 per vote. What it equated to conversion rate. Um, James Fishback was basically, he was averaged

00:56:26.760 about $11 per vote. Byron Donald's was, um, between, I believe he was between 45 and $55

00:56:32.940 per vote. Collins was about $25 per vote. And even, uh, in the case of Renner, um, he was about

00:56:39.920 like 15 to $20 per vote. Um, if, if James had the same talking points, but he got a triple

00:56:46.560 endorsement from trump and trump didn't endorse byron he endorsed three times did the same thing

00:56:51.880 he did for byron but he did it for james instead and you gave james the same war chest that byron

00:56:57.260 had despite boomers and they're still very much liberal you know um disposition they would have

00:57:05.580 followed trump they would have followed maga and they they would have fallen in line trump had

00:57:10.580 voted for james to steer maga that's right in the direction of what he ran on so james lost

00:57:15.140 he ran on it james lost as one of the the prototypes of an america first candidate

00:57:21.200 to maga so is maga dead no no of course it's not um but here's the deal i said this to alex jones

00:57:29.880 and he was like oh that's really good i'm gonna use that i like it you know but um but i i told

00:57:34.240 him i said you know a lot of people are saying that america first you know like you have some

00:57:38.760 good principles you know or those are those are nice sentiments but uh you don't have a plan

00:57:43.680 and that's actually precisely the opposite um america i did see that a lot especially after

00:57:48.680 the the loss yes declared yeah so america first has a plan it has a really good plan

00:57:54.380 america first has a plan but we don't have the man um and and james could be the man and maybe

00:58:00.440 it's just not the time i don't think we've seen the last of james fishback i i think that we'll

00:58:05.140 see him again and i think that he will be successful he's uh incredibly talented but but

00:58:10.200 by and large, we have a plan. We don't have the man. The irony is that MAGA, um, they're the ones

00:58:15.500 who actually don't have a plan. Uh, MAGA has the man be it's, you know, they have two men in

00:58:20.740 particular right now, is it currently Russ, JD Vance or Marco Rubio, but they don't have the

00:58:25.480 plan. And what I mean by that is they'll say, Oh, America first, that's a nice sentiment. And you

00:58:30.000 know, those are nice principles, you know, but, uh, how does, how's that working out for you?

00:58:33.660 You know, uh, you didn't win. You didn't even get close. And it's like, guys, um, what do you

00:58:39.300 think is about to happen what do you like what do you how do you actually see 2028 panning out

00:58:45.960 jd vance is going to come up against the exact same problem that kamala did unburdened by what

00:58:51.700 has been so that we can be free for what you know but you are in charge woman what has been is you 0.76

00:58:55.840 you are what has been you was you are what has been you and then she just her response is she

00:59:00.900 cackles madly right and then runs off exactly that would be the subtitle yeah so what has been

00:59:06.600 was her she was the vp she was the border czar she was like joe biden was physically incapacitated

00:59:13.220 she was running the country you know um and and here's the deal what what happened she could not

00:59:18.780 win she couldn't win i you know if she wasn't such an evil person i would be tempted to feel 1.00

00:59:24.140 bad for her there was no winning path for kamla why because she either would have to directly 0.99

00:59:30.040 contradict and counter joe biden and her own part political party say you know what the democrats 0.99

00:59:36.200 have lost their mind like i admit you know we went way too far we botched it here we botched it there

00:59:42.080 um men and women's bathrooms is insane and and we apologize and we will never do that again

00:59:47.840 like so she would either have to counter her own base and then the question would be why you and

00:59:52.700 not a different democrat right um but but the other thing is the democrats actually are radical

00:59:58.820 so so she would have to counter the base to get the more reasonable moderate democrats on board

01:00:04.280 then you lose your base then you lose all your radicals you lose half of your base or you have

01:00:09.800 to just say we're going to double down and more of the same um you know and in which case uh it's

01:00:15.620 far too radical the left overplayed their hand 2020 through 2024 well here's the deal jd vance

01:00:21.640 let's just go with him for a moment jd vance is going to be up against the very same quagmire

01:00:26.480 jd vance is either but in this case it's worse see kamala actually could have countered biden

01:00:31.260 and, and, and distinguished Biden from the DNC. And, you know, so given some, some nice little,

01:00:37.660 you know, sweet nothings and things like that to her party, you know, the Chuck Schumers and

01:00:41.660 the Nancy Pelosi's and people who are still holding reins of power, but just laid it all

01:00:46.700 to rest on Joe Biden, which would be a lie. But, but she could have done it. And Biden wouldn't

01:00:52.700 have, he wouldn't have the fortitude to bite back because he, like we all know, like he was,

01:00:57.360 you know, physically and mentally incapacitated. Trump will not be that way.

01:01:01.260 what's going to happen if Vance does what he will have to do in order to win,

01:01:06.440 which is he will have to counter Trump.

01:01:08.600 Trump is at an all-time low.

01:01:11.200 He's down 70 points with non-MAGA Republicans.

01:01:14.900 He is down 35 to 40 points with MAGA young white men under the age of 40.

01:01:21.800 And I'm telling you that there are cascading repercussions.

01:01:25.320 So yes, we've gone from 15,000 missiles a day to 1,000 missiles a day.

01:01:28.880 Why? Because we're being wise.

01:01:30.080 No, because we've expended our supplies.

01:01:32.540 We're actually dangerously low, both when it comes to our oil reserves, also when it comes to our missile capacity.

01:01:39.680 That's why we're slowing down.

01:01:41.220 But the economic repercussions are now inevitable.

01:01:44.060 It's baked into the pie. 0.99

01:01:45.600 What you're going to have at this point is Iran, we radically underestimated them.

01:01:51.500 Not because Muslims are super-duper smart, not because they're technological innovation or because they're exceedingly prosperous. 0.99

01:01:58.280 is we we underestimated their will um the thing about muslims is that muslims will expend muslims 0.94

01:02:04.700 they have no problem in america one of the calculations that you constantly have to 0.95

01:02:09.420 equate is the american people americans like if gas prices go up by 25 cents you know like you

01:02:18.380 you stand the real possibility of a riot on the white house lawn um you could be tarred and

01:02:23.680 and feathered in america if uh if people's widgets cost you know uh five percent more

01:02:29.960 walmart and and i don't want to underplay inflation it's way worse than that um but

01:02:34.520 and iran it's like well they're bombing us please concede iranian regime no we're actually

01:02:41.440 perfectly comfortable with you dying um it's you know it's a different calculus human life

01:02:45.800 is valued a completely different so they will not give up they will not give up which means that

01:02:51.260 they literally have come at trump it's like 47 times we've won this war you know like how many

01:02:56.820 it's hard it's like groundhog day you know like with bill murray you know coming out you know like

01:03:01.100 we won the war you know like what were the bunker busters about in the summer of 2025 i thought i

01:03:07.640 thought ladies and gentlemen we got them i thought we got the the you know iranian you know nuclear

01:03:12.400 it ends up being like afghanistan all over again you cannot crush the will of a people who live

01:03:18.060 in mountains and now we just inflamed a bloodlust it's actually worse because now you're looking at

01:03:23.460 the son of the previous regime leader who is enraged because we killed his father and and

01:03:30.240 uncles and all these extended family members he will not back down and so trump comes out and says

01:03:35.960 we won the war or we're very close to a peace deal right because he's he's inflated he's manipulating

01:03:41.020 markets for all of his billionaire friends you know because we can't stand a market crash which

01:03:45.120 i think is actually entirely possible but he keeps trying to inflate artificially hold up from true

01:03:50.420 social um the the gdp of america um but but then he'll say you know we won the war markets go up

01:03:58.560 you know stonks go up uh but then iran their official leadership will will post and come out

01:04:03.940 and say uh that's bs um no the war's not over and they recently just in the last week have come out

01:04:10.620 and said, we're going to be the bane of America's existence economically. It's a war of attrition.

01:04:16.600 And we're going to continue to do this to the very end of Trump's term, just to spike it.

01:04:21.280 No deals through Trump's term.

01:04:23.860 Dude, you think that this is all accumulating and what it's going to do, we can maybe ink out,

01:04:31.420 salvage some of the midterms. I think overall, we're going to get crushed, but it won't be quite

01:04:35.600 as bad. I predict November won't be quite as bad as it could be. Maybe we actually keep the Senate

01:04:40.500 and just lose the house or something like that.

01:04:42.740 But you're going to have essentially

01:04:45.060 at least a partial named up presidency

01:04:47.000 for the last two years of Trump's term.

01:04:49.600 But if you think that Trump's low in the polls,

01:04:51.940 but you know, 7TD chess, you know,

01:04:53.880 and trust the plan and he'll, you know,

01:04:55.240 he'll bring it back in and then Vance can ride in

01:04:57.220 on all of MAGA's glory.

01:04:58.840 It's not going to happen.

01:04:59.680 The economic repercussions are probably going to fall

01:05:02.780 around December, end of this year.

01:05:04.500 And you're going to feel them, especially next year. 1.00

01:05:07.700 Iran out of spite is going to make sure 0.99

01:05:10.220 that inflation absolutely destroys us. You've got Kevin Walsh now as head of the chair of the Fed. 1.00

01:05:18.040 And he's a bit hawkish compared to Jerome Powell. Believe it or not, Jerome Powell would get up and

01:05:23.120 say good afternoon and markets would tank. Kevin Walsh, I think, is going to be even worse. He

01:05:27.980 also has a different philosophy. So he doesn't want to give forward guidance. He wants to have

01:05:31.560 less of the Fed meetings. And he's going to come out one of these days and surprise us,

01:05:36.680 this, my prediction, with a rate hike, not cut. The way it's going to affect American economy,

01:05:42.760 American markets, the way that oil and gas is going to continue to inflate goods,

01:05:48.000 I don't think it's actually going to affect housing. I think housing is going to go down.

01:05:52.000 But everything else is going to feel more expensive and rates are going to be higher.

01:05:56.540 And Trump is going to be, believe it or not, I think as low, if not even lower,

01:06:01.060 once we get to the beginning of 2028 and the polls, Vance, in the same spot as Kamala Harris,

01:06:05.980 is either going to have to counter Trump. Kamala could have countered Biden and Biden wouldn't 0.92

01:06:10.980 have known about it because he had dementia. Trump has the biggest ego on the planet and he's still

01:06:16.520 sharp. You got to give him that. He's still sharp. If Vance says anything to do, he cannot win without

01:06:22.220 distinguishing himself from Trump. If he distinguishes himself from Trump, Trump will

01:06:27.760 blast him from orbit. Trump is not going to take to that kindly. And so what will happen is Vance

01:06:33.460 is we have this broad coalition in 2024.

01:06:37.160 And it's because, here's the deal,

01:06:38.860 all these intramural battles,

01:06:41.100 division is the luxury of victory.

01:06:43.380 Division is the luxury of victory.

01:06:45.840 One of the reasons we're fractured

01:06:47.340 is because we won so handily in 2024.

01:06:50.500 It's because we won that we can afford

01:06:53.260 to be fractured with America First and with MAGA

01:06:55.400 and with all these different things.

01:06:56.460 And I'm part of it too.

01:06:57.620 So I'm not absolving myself,

01:06:59.020 but that's just the reality on the ground.

01:07:01.480 What's probably going to happen

01:07:03.100 is that Trump is going to continue to sink or stay flat in the polls. 0.89

01:07:07.940 Vance won't counter him because he can't because Trump is maniacal

01:07:11.220 and will blast him from orbit.

01:07:13.980 Therefore, Vance is going to come in.

01:07:16.200 He's going to try to put out some dog whistles in a subtle way.

01:07:19.700 You know, I'm different, but not really saying that he's different.

01:07:22.500 And so your loyal MAGA base, what's left of it, is going to come out,

01:07:25.960 but it will not be the numbers we had in 2024,

01:07:27.780 and we're going to lose to a dim in 2028.

01:07:30.860 Now, the good news is that a lot of these things we want so handedly, a lot of the worst policies have fallen on such disfavor, even in a bipartisan fashion here in America, that I don't think we will get the mass immigration or some of the more extreme LGBT things like men and women's restrooms and stuff like that, because the left knows that they overplayed their hand.

01:07:51.400 The Democrats would be smart if they ran a candidate in the next election, presidential election, that said, no, we want to keep the border closed.

01:07:59.360 right so and and i actually think gavin newsom exactly i think it'll be something like that now

01:08:04.140 gavin newsom we know is radical but he's been pivoting he has been pivoting he literally went

01:08:09.360 on charlie kirk's podcast yeah before he died like so oh my kids love you you can see it in real time

01:08:15.420 that's what's going to happen and so i i don't think vance can win because trump right it's like

01:08:20.820 if you love maga you should be critical of trump nobody has done more damage to maga than trump

01:08:25.260 And because of that, I don't think we went in 2028, but in God's providence, I'm not saying I'm going to vote for a Democrat, but in God's providence, I think it will be one of the best things for us.

01:08:36.040 I don't think it'll be as dark as the years of 2020 through 2024, but it will be hard.

01:08:41.720 It will be harder than these years where we've had some reprieve because of Trump.

01:08:47.320 And I think that that will galvanize us on the right.

01:08:50.880 It'll also wipe for the GOP.

01:08:53.140 The slate will be clear.

01:08:54.740 So it'll be, you'll have the three choices before you,

01:08:58.820 neocons, MAGA, or America First, right?

01:09:01.460 2028, America First doesn't really have a chance.

01:09:04.200 We're probably not gonna get a dark horse candidate

01:09:06.080 and certainly not someone viable.

01:09:08.000 2028 presidential will be very similar

01:09:10.220 to James Fishback in the midterms, right?

01:09:12.760 It's not viable, not yet.

01:09:14.980 But James Fishback has proven

01:09:16.660 that among the younger generation,

01:09:18.580 this is going to have a snowball effect.

01:09:20.880 It's not a matter of if, it's simply a matter of when.

01:09:23.600 So 2028, my prediction is we'll probably get Newsom. But it will be a Newsom who surprisingly sucks, as always, but not quite as bad. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised that he'll be bad, but not as bad as Biden and Kamala and those years. But then it'll be bad enough to galvanize us on the right. But now MAGA is fully done. His influence will be out so that he can't truth social, you know, whatever, and affect things. 0.89

01:09:52.340 And so 2032, then I think you'll see, you know, full GOP primary, presidential primary, and you will have a dark horse candidate.

01:10:01.060 And he may not win. It may not be till 2036 that you get full blown America first in the White House.

01:10:07.080 But I think he will surprise people. You will get that dark horse candidate.

01:10:11.020 He'll put up some numbers. He'll do a decent job. You might have DeSantis come back in the fray.

01:10:15.720 You might have Vance still run. You might, you know, you'll have, you'll probably have all those guys.

01:10:19.360 Ted Cruz won't be able to help himself. He'll probably be there. You know, so you have MIGA,

01:10:22.940 you have MAGA, you know, and, but, but all these things I think are inevitable. So the,

01:10:27.260 the, the long answer, very long answer to your question, is MAGA dead? No. Will MAGA be dead

01:10:34.580 though? In short order, in short order. Yes. And, and if you are, you know, insufferably trusting

01:10:42.760 the plan and you're not willing to admit that, then you're being naive. You are absolutely being

01:10:50.100 naive. America First has a plan, but we don't have the man who's viable in 2028. MAGA has two men.

01:10:59.720 They have the man. But if you're honest, they don't have the plan. They cannot bring out the

01:11:05.960 large swath kumbaya co-belligerency that Trump was able to bring out because of Trump. Not because

01:11:11.820 Joel or Nick Fuentes or because Trump ruined it. What I love about you, Joel, is that you

01:11:18.280 are so good at hiding what you really think. And you are very unwilling to go on the record

01:11:25.100 ahead of time. No, I appreciate it. You heard it here, folks, on the King's Hall,

01:11:31.180 Joel Webb's prediction for the next 10 years of American society. And you know what? I think

01:11:36.640 there was a lot there that maybe people, I think some people will think you're crazy. Some people

01:11:41.520 will think you're stupid and it but some people will hear that and go you know what that's actually 1.00

01:11:45.740 that is a an internally consistent and plausible reading of the current situation and potential 1.00

01:11:53.020 path forward um do you remember when ann coulter predicted trump no and everyone's like they all

01:11:59.460 laughed at her right and she was like no i'm like you're serious right now so you never know yeah

01:12:04.000 you never know yeah and i i do want to say in terms of like okay so then what do christians do

01:12:08.200 this is where i do uh have to part ways with you know uh people like nick fuentes he's a friend i

01:12:15.400 appreciate him and i understand his political calculus so a lot of guys who have just seen

01:12:20.340 you know 30 second clip ripped out of context are going to attribute to him certain things that he

01:12:25.020 actually didn't say um but that's it is true though that that he has at least said in local

01:12:30.940 elections like ohio you know in the case of voting against vivek um he he does allow within

01:12:37.900 his repertoire voting for democrats as a christian man um i i cannot i i will not vote for a democrat

01:12:44.620 so i want to be really clear about that um my prediction does not assume um a prescription

01:12:51.520 that involves christians voting for democrats yeah and people need to know a lot of times this

01:12:55.700 is where the the outrage comes from that saying i think this is what's happening and i think what

01:13:01.500 will happen is totally different from what you think whether you like it or not right there are

01:13:06.160 a lot of things that i think are true about the world today and i don't like them even some of

01:13:10.180 my pessimism about the future of america it's not because i want that to be true right i want

01:13:16.800 america to be truly great to see a christian nationalist groundswell i want all those things

01:13:22.500 to happen um we're out of time for this episode so last thing i do want to note is that we're

01:13:27.620 going to be with you with joel webin at joel webin's conference right new christian right

01:13:33.100 conference coming up here pretty shortly yeah and and folks should check out the link in the

01:13:37.720 description and use code ogden all caps ogden to get 20 off a ticket and join us there we're

01:13:44.260 going to be speaking along with a wild cast and fun cast of characters remember it's a political

01:13:50.320 conference guys it's not we're actually the headliners that i mean that's not what joel said

01:13:54.680 the title but when he's i think we all there was a twinkle in his eye for sure but the title of the

01:14:00.720 conference is christ is king america after trump and so just to your point you're exactly right

01:14:05.240 it is a political conference yeah it's also a christian conference um i'm getting a lot of

01:14:09.980 flack from that you know even guys like john harris who you know i i wish him well i have no

01:14:14.720 ill will towards him or anything like that. Um, but you know, he's, he's decided as of late to,

01:14:20.480 you know, to be very, um, counter signally towards, towards me. Um, certainly, uh, behind

01:14:27.140 scenes, you know, I regularly have people come to me and say that, um, you know, uh, you know,

01:14:32.420 even showing me screenshots, he said this, he said that, which is really, you know, disheartening.

01:14:36.860 Um, because I, you know, I just, I don't, I just, I don't, I don't like gossip, whether it's about

01:14:43.020 me or about someone else. But the point is that I think John Harris is a brother in Christ and he's

01:14:49.260 been a voice. Protestia has been another voice, which is really sad because J.D. Hall started

01:14:54.640 Protestia and he writes for us. And the guys at Protestia are giving him a really, really hard

01:15:00.400 time because of his association with us. But it's the same kind of line of attack, whether it's

01:15:05.360 Harris or Protestia, which is, you know, the title of the conference is Christ is King. It's a

01:15:10.900 christian conference and therefore um you cannot have uh whoever alex jones or uh whatever so i

01:15:17.780 want i want to be forthright because i have nothing to hide it is a political conference

01:15:21.960 but it is also a political conference that is being hosted by christians um so so i'm not going

01:15:28.600 to sit here and say well no actually actually it doesn't count your um your criticisms don't count

01:15:35.000 because it's not a christian conference everything i do is christian do you know why

01:15:38.700 you're a christian because i'm a christian and i love jesus and so yes the title is christ is king

01:15:45.100 because christ is king regardless of who speaks at the conference christ is king you can bless him

01:15:50.580 or hate him curse him love him hate him but christ is king i'm a christian and everyone at

01:15:57.420 the conference at least professes christ now i i have not sat down and done you know a 10 hour

01:16:03.460 scathing interview with each one of the speakers to see if they have any kind of heretical doctrines

01:16:10.400 or whatever like dude alex jones it's alex jones like does he believe uh some things about the

01:16:17.400 christian faith that we would probably be like i'm sure he does but if alex was sitting right

01:16:22.540 here and i have at least asked him this before asking him to be alex do you believe that jesus

01:16:27.620 is the only begotten son of God.

01:16:30.000 Yes.

01:16:31.220 Alex, do you believe that he's the way,

01:16:32.880 the truth, and the life,

01:16:34.380 and that salvation comes through him

01:16:35.920 and him alone?

01:16:37.560 Yes, Joe, of course I believe that.

01:16:38.940 And the globalists are standing in our way.

01:16:40.640 They don't like Jesus.

01:16:42.460 Okay, then Alex Jones,

01:16:44.420 in his tinfoil hat,

01:16:45.940 will be at this conference,

01:16:46.940 and I'm not apologizing to anyone for it.

01:16:49.740 Alex Jones has been an American patriot

01:16:51.960 and a hero. 1.00

01:16:53.460 The frogs were turning gay. 1.00

01:16:55.100 He was absolutely right. 1.00

01:16:56.160 He was right about the frogs.

01:16:56.540 He predicted 9-11, and I'm honored to have Alex Jones at the conference.

01:17:00.540 Alex Jones will not be ordained as an elder in my church for the foreseeable future,

01:17:05.280 but he will be at the conference, and yes, it's still a Christian conference.

01:17:09.860 And if you're okay with TPUSA, faith, not just AmFest, but TPUSA, faith, hosting a pastor's

01:17:18.280 summit, and that being a Christian conference, and saying that Charlie Kirk is a Christian

01:17:22.340 martyr which i too agree that he was while hosting not alex jones but a publicly known

01:17:29.040 atheist who spent his young adult life trying with the new atheist movement to kill christianity

01:17:35.220 james lindsey and not once but two and arguably three times at the pastor summit james lindsey 1.00

01:17:42.860 if if you're okay with that then you need to shut the hell up because you're a hypocrite yeah so 0.98

01:17:51.240 anyway well joel thank you for inviting us we're excited to be there thanks for being here we're 0.98

01:17:56.220 going to do one more episode with joel but uh also is going to be out in the wild at some point we're

01:18:01.200 going to talk about race and go deeper on what does joel webben think about race why is it an

01:18:06.800 important issue today it's one of the main reasons people hate him today and actually hate us and

01:18:10.800 why is joel such a lip and why is joel such a lip we're going to answer the question everyone is

01:18:16.400 asking why is joel webbin such a huge liberal so tune into that thanks for listening guys we'll

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The King's Hall - September 04, 2026

MAGA vs. America First

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