The King's Hall - September 11, 2026


Is Joel Webbon a Liberal? A Conversation About Race

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00:00:56.600 well welcome to this episode of the king's hall podcast i'm your host eric khan joined today by
00:01:05.680 my trusty sidekick brian sauve i don't know sidekick might be too high of a position
00:01:09.740 yeah you know i am the robin to your batman no my sidekick no i i first of all i don't think
00:01:16.640 you're using that word as often happens are you doxing me right now is this an easter egg
00:01:23.520 uh speaking of easter eggs we do have joel webbin in studio who is who is not an easter egg
00:01:29.640 it's not what that's kind of like one not what the term means but go ahead yeah well welcome
00:01:34.360 joel thanks so this is a third part in a three-part series we've done with joel so kind to
00:01:39.800 join us thank you and uh looking svelte looking great to fly here with a delayed flight so that
00:01:46.380 you don't get here till two in the morning joel's lost a lot of weight so he no longer has to
00:01:50.340 purchase two seats on the which joel i know what it's like man i was up to three yeah i need a
00:01:57.320 whole row brian had to get like the three seat lap belt it was embarrassing they actually had to
00:02:01.960 invent a new wow emergency announcement like it was crazy and the only reason they had that lap
00:02:07.060 belt on hand was because of ben's mom so yeah i mean and i've i often fly here we are with ben's
00:02:13.500 my no no no i take that back there's only a few airlines that will wow all i have to say is wow
00:02:20.080 and if you thought that was shocking then wait until we say what this episode is actually about
00:02:27.060 which is not the fatness of me or joel former fatness former tm you guys are look i mean
00:02:32.260 you're looking good because right now we look combined if you took all of the best features
00:02:36.840 of each one of us you could make somebody 80 as handsome as ryan gosling and i mean that wow
00:02:43.080 that's impressive and i'll let the listener decide which parts ryan gossling ryan gossling
00:02:49.160 he was joel's head he was a failed cornerback and remember the titans that ryan goss that
00:02:54.040 wow that's a niche reference today we're going to be talking with joel with joel um known racist
00:03:00.520 weapon about really one of the the topics that i think probably causes more sparks than any other
00:03:07.900 we've experienced this that's true even in just to set it up like you know we've we talked to
00:03:12.480 this series so far we we really want to just say what we think is true like the king's hall and the
00:03:18.960 new christian right new christian press and right response ministry like we have not been really
00:03:24.100 good at hiding our cards like even sometimes we've we've talked about hiding your power levels just
00:03:29.840 so everyone's clear that is not what we do no i do it every day we eric definitely does not do
00:03:35.280 this every day it's an easter egg it's not an easter egg we we pretty much i'm being done we
00:03:41.240 turn on, I'm being doxxed right now. What we do instead is we turn on cameras. These are
00:03:47.060 recording devices that capture your image. And then also the audio. We record videos where we
00:03:51.520 say everything we think about things, knowing that 99.7% of the population of the entire globe
00:03:56.720 thinks that what we're saying is absolutely insane. Right. And then we publish that to the
00:04:01.720 internet, which is a place where anybody can see it. And we do this voluntarily. Right. And it's
00:04:07.020 That's where women will call you cringe. 1.00
00:04:09.040 They will. 1.00
00:04:09.900 And you know what?
00:04:10.540 Let's be honest.
00:04:11.460 Team cringe.
00:04:12.520 I'm on team cringe.
00:04:13.900 I'm cringe.
00:04:14.640 I don't care who knows it.
00:04:15.720 I'm cringe.
00:04:16.380 Eric's cringe.
00:04:17.400 Joel's cringe.
00:04:18.780 We're cringe.
00:04:19.780 Had times.
00:04:20.400 And you know what?
00:04:21.160 Cut this clip.
00:04:22.020 Put it on the internet because I'm on team cringe.
00:04:24.400 When we do this with the issue of race, and from my perspective, when we do this with
00:04:30.080 the issue of race in ways that when I hear the words coming out of my mouth, I'm like,
00:04:34.740 this is so common sense.
00:04:36.320 Right.
00:04:37.020 I don't know how people could be, I get how people could disagree with this or that, but I don't get how people could freak out so much about it on a level.
00:04:46.920 Race just is an issue where that kind of dynamic seems to rule.
00:04:50.880 So we wanted to sit down with you and talk about, A, what you actually believe versus what the internet memes, straw man, slop lord accounts claim that you believe regularly.
00:05:01.660 so that the listeners,
00:05:03.540 not so that they have to agree with everything that you say
00:05:05.800 or even to assume that we, I don't know,
00:05:08.380 maybe we agree, maybe we don't on a lot of stuff.
00:05:11.060 I think we agree on a lot.
00:05:12.260 Who should vote?
00:05:12.860 But so that they can at least know what it is
00:05:17.440 that they're disagreeing with you about
00:05:18.940 or agreeing with you about
00:05:20.280 and not what you are purported to believe
00:05:22.640 by somebody who transparently hates you 0.99
00:05:25.460 and wishes that you would die 1.00
00:05:27.440 in a fiery plane crash on the way back to Texas.
00:05:30.900 could happen from utah which providence of god it'd be ironic now if it did yeah having recorded
00:05:36.320 this but um so that's the goal of this episode we'd really like to talk about this i know you
00:05:42.640 introduced some of it in our first episode yeah on race um but i i think maybe to start it would
00:05:49.720 be helpful to just talk about the word race itself because so much of this conversation
00:05:55.480 people will from the beginning object before you even get into any of the details about using the
00:06:02.600 word race right and they want some kind of euphemism or something else or you know they
00:06:07.540 want to talk about culture maybe they want to talk about or they'll say you know race is just
00:06:11.100 a darwinian term or so maybe on that level first what do you agree with those people a and then b
00:06:18.040 what do you what do you think the word race actually means why is it important or not important
00:06:23.100 to use it. Yeah. I think that it's probably the best word that we have in our culture today. So
00:06:28.440 I think it's inevitable. Um, because if we're inventing new terms, there might be something
00:06:32.680 that would be more accurate and that would lend towards less misunderstandings, but then you
00:06:37.640 constantly have to redefine the term every single time you use it. And, um, and it's just, it's not
00:06:43.600 viable. So I think race is good enough. Um, when I use that term, it's ultimately race is just 1.00
00:06:50.140 saying all the families of the earth the bible talks about um all the families of the earth or
00:06:54.660 all the races some translations will say of the earth so race is just uh it's the family writ
00:07:00.840 large and a lot of the language in the bible doesn't use the term race because it uses the
00:07:07.160 word nation uh but nations and races the nations of men and the races of men were synonymous um
00:07:14.040 you know at least in large part right there was some you know reasonable mitigated forms of
00:07:19.920 immigration so you know you have your your rahabs and your roots and you know those kinds of things
00:07:25.860 but when someone says you know hey uh the leopard you know a leopard cannot change its spots and
00:07:31.080 the ethiopian cannot change his skin um they they know that they're not talking about somebody who
00:07:36.960 is a a paper ethiopian you know somebody who's undocumented ethiopian right who's just signed a
00:07:43.260 civic covenant a propositional ethiopian you know that they're talking about a black guy
00:07:47.820 right like we we know that um hence you know why they're specifying his skin right not his
00:07:53.680 paperwork so they're saying he's an ethiopian um and and the ethiopian is not someone who's
00:08:01.520 merely a part of a national civic covenant but someone who is also a part of lineage so like
00:08:07.600 when we think of nation uh nations are peoples nations it's people in place blood and soil
00:08:13.780 everybody gets upset about that so nation and native share the same root yes and they all come
00:08:18.840 from the word birth right in french nay renaissance rebirth nay you know same related
00:08:26.220 collection of words right so so blood and soil people in place it's you know i i always when i
00:08:33.460 talk about nations i i talk about um i i use alliteration so land and lineage a nation um
00:08:40.960 is more, but it can never be less. So land and lineage, that's, you know, place and people,
00:08:47.060 family lines. But then you get into language, you get into laws, you get into loves, that would be
00:08:52.040 like traditions and rituals and those kinds of things. And then you also have liturgy, worship.
00:08:58.740 So if we're talking about ethnicity, I actually think that Stephen Wolf is right in the technical
00:09:04.680 definition of ethnicity, that ethnicity is actually in some sense narrower, but also in
00:09:11.540 the same sense, oddly enough, broader than the term race. Ethnicity really gets into culture
00:09:18.560 and not just blood, not just lineage. And so if we're talking about ethnicity, we believe that
00:09:25.200 America should be a white Anglo-Protestant, you know, nation, a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant 0.75
00:09:32.080 wasp nation. And we think that that can encompass someone like a Clarence Thomas, ethnically 0.89
00:09:39.100 speaking. It does not encompass him racially speaking. He has a different lineage and he
00:09:45.900 cannot, as the scripture says, change his skin. It's just right there, visible. Like, oh, he has
00:09:51.120 different ancestors than I have. And it is what it is. But race, I think, is all the families of
00:09:58.120 the earth, it's lineage, and you don't have to embrace Darwin. And that's so important. A lot
00:10:02.380 of Christians get this wrong. They think that you're getting into macro evolution or this or
00:10:06.680 that. I despise, I have immense disdain for all those things. And I see them as not just
00:10:13.020 unorthodox or heterodox. I see them as heresy. And the reason why is because when it comes to 0.95
00:10:18.220 macro evolution, you're actually bringing not just your doctrines of creation, but you're bringing
00:10:23.160 the gospel into the equation yeah so romans 5 actually hinges on there being a literal adam 0.96
00:10:29.680 and eve then the name eve is mother of all the living if we have pre-ademic people the mud people 0.93
00:10:35.880 and people get into this christian identity israel identity these are heresies that there's 0.80
00:10:40.600 different that literally some people are not fully human right because they are more of your
00:10:45.980 neanderthalic or they are from different pre-fully human right so that races of man there are christian
00:10:52.560 heresies that have adopted that darwinian framework we would all say to hell with that to 0.51
00:10:56.880 hell with that it's that's that is demonic heresy so they would say that that and the reason why
00:11:01.900 this this actually brings into the equation the gospel the gospel of jesus christ is because
00:11:07.560 romans 5 says so by uh one man's disobedience sin into the world and through sin death so too by
00:11:14.960 one man's obedience uh righteousness salvation for the many and and so if if you believe in
00:11:21.720 macro evolution you believe there were pre-edemic people that that god actually used evolution as
00:11:27.420 his mechanism as as his means of making mankind well the thing with macro evolution is it that
00:11:34.660 essentially adam and eve are seated upon a mountain of skeletons of bones millions and millions and
00:11:41.520 millions of humans or sub but human-esque people have lived and died and eventually gave birth to
00:11:49.620 adam and eve and then at that point you know god breathed his spirit into those two and eve became
00:11:54.700 the mother of all the living you know that were truly human and they became image bearers and
00:11:58.980 the other ones were just kind of leading up to that and um but but then the problem is that you
00:12:04.220 you can't actually say that that the fall came through sin that death entered the world through
00:12:09.700 sin because death was already you know alive and well but so death was already alive um but by by
00:12:16.520 virtue of God using death through macroevolution. And also, you would also have to say that
00:12:21.820 there are entire people groups today that are, you know, the posterity and the descendants of 0.97
00:12:27.740 these priodemic people who are not capable of salvation. Because the way that federal headship 1.00
00:12:32.460 works, all of salvation works through patriarchy. Christianity is patriarchy. Patriarchy is not an 0.98
00:12:39.040 element of Christianity. Patros, it is patriarchy, whether it's nationalism, whether it's
00:12:44.480 patriotism, Father, Son, and He, the Holy Spirit, the entire Christian faith, everything is
00:12:50.920 patriarchal. And the way that salvation, even redemption, works is through federal headship.
00:12:56.460 It's through patriarchy. So a person has two heads, either Adam or the second Adam. You're
00:13:01.120 either dead in Adam or alive in Christ, and both are through patriarchy, through birth.
00:13:05.680 So one is natural birth. By virtue of being a physical descendant of Adam, you are born under
00:13:11.340 the curse of sin. And therefore, spiritually speaking, every single one of those births is
00:13:15.780 a stillbirth. You're born spiritually dead in your sins, operating in Ephesians 2 as a child under
00:13:21.760 God's wrath. You're a dead man walking. And that comes by virtue of being the physical posterity 0.99
00:13:27.280 through birth, a descendant of Adam. Jesus, even though he is the son in terms of our theology
00:13:33.440 proper, Trinitarian doctrine, there's one place in scripture that actually speaks, namely Isaiah,
00:13:38.480 of Jesus, not the father, but Jesus as eternal father. And it is because spiritually speaking,
00:13:43.960 Jesus actually begets many sons and daughters. And he does this through the new birth. This is
00:13:49.480 John, gospel of John chapter three, you must be born again because federal headship works through
00:13:55.220 birth. It's fatherhood. So you, everyone has a father and your father is either Adam and by
00:14:01.220 extension, really the devil, John chapter eight, children of the devil, or your father is the
00:14:06.340 eternal father the son through birth the new birth john chapter 3 being born again spiritual birth
00:14:12.160 jesus the second adam is your father and the triune god god the father is now your adopted
00:14:17.420 beloved father um and there is no salvation apart from that so so if there are people
00:14:23.000 because jesus comes to save the race of men the race of adam the lineage from adam um so through
00:14:32.300 one man's obedience the many are are saved which which many are we speaking of the same many that
00:14:38.760 were damned through through the first man adam and and by consequence of his sin and so if you
00:14:44.560 have all these pre-ademic people and their posterity and descendants still alive in the 0.94
00:14:48.280 world today you were saying they're entire people groups that cannot be saved um and and so all this
00:14:53.960 is damnable doctrine it compromises the gospel it compromises creation it compromises um patriarchy
00:15:00.080 federal headship of scripture. So I don't believe those things. Those are heresies.
00:15:04.840 The way that I often explain this, like even in our own church, see if you agree with this framing.
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00:17:42.380 the word race like the word family because they're related can be lawfully and accurately
00:17:49.820 used in multiple senses you can accurately speak about all the race of men descended from adam
00:17:55.440 right and that's accurate you can race you can also lawfully and accurately speak for example
00:18:01.260 of the race of men descended from abraham you could say the race of men descended from shem
00:18:06.520 hammer japheth um and in that way it would be like you know at a i just had a trip to bear lake
00:18:12.720 with the family and it was my family but then also a lot of my extended family how many families were
00:18:18.940 in that room in that house at bear lake one and also many you could say one and four like it well
00:18:25.260 there's the household family and but then there's this extended family and on a basic level when we
00:18:30.780 talk about race that's what we're getting at not this darwinistic and and one way to understand
00:18:38.000 this i think people don't get this is that even when you look at the etymology of the word and
00:18:43.300 the origins of the word darwin's writing in the 1800s right the word race enters the english
00:18:48.880 language in the 1500s and it enters it from preceding words in the indo-european traditions
00:18:56.520 from preceding words from others.
00:18:58.460 I mean, the word is just,
00:18:59.960 it's an obvious word that you need
00:19:01.780 when you're using language
00:19:03.080 to describe a thing that exists in the world.
00:19:06.060 And so on one level,
00:19:07.620 when you talk about race,
00:19:10.480 I think people immediately get confused
00:19:12.200 because they think you're either saying
00:19:14.360 as a flip of a switch,
00:19:16.060 well, there's either one race of humans
00:19:17.660 descended from Adam
00:19:18.600 or as soon as you start segmenting it up,
00:19:22.940 you're committing a blasphemy,
00:19:25.000 you're violating scripture. 1.00
00:19:25.780 Macro-revolution, pre-edemic people, like, no. 0.85
00:19:28.700 And so I think that hopefully it's helpful to people.
00:19:32.280 A follow-up question.
00:19:33.700 So we're thinking about race.
00:19:34.620 And one of the questions that people,
00:19:37.960 it gets quite controversial today
00:19:39.300 is when you start doing any kind of comparing
00:19:42.180 and contrasting of whether,
00:19:44.840 whatever kind of breakdown of race you want to do,
00:19:47.240 if you're going to talk about three races of men
00:19:48.880 from the sons of Noah or some narrower,
00:19:52.500 Or, you know, people might speak of the French race or the Frankish peoples to be a little bit broader, but French come from them.
00:20:00.620 Or the Tongans in Salt Lake.
00:20:01.820 Or the Tongan peoples in Salt Lake.
00:20:04.500 One thing people get quite squeamish about is when you start doing any kind of comparison between races and you say superior, inferior, better, not as good.
00:20:17.620 Right.
00:20:18.560 What do you think?
00:20:20.560 Yeah, but Brian, all men were created equal.
00:20:22.500 And endowed by their creator with inalienable rights.
00:20:25.060 What do you think about the comparison of races? 0.99
00:20:28.840 Is it something that's stupid to even attempt? 0.96
00:20:31.660 Is it sinful in say, like in its nature to do that kind of comparison? 0.99
00:20:36.760 Per se, per quad.
00:20:37.820 Yeah, like how do we think through that issue?
00:20:41.140 Quibono.
00:20:42.180 Yeah, no, I think that, no, I certainly don't think that it's inherently sinful to make comparisons between races.
00:20:48.660 But I'll go, you know, I see your bet and I'll raise you.
00:20:52.500 Um, as I knew you would, I actually think it's necessary. Um, and, and, but our posture is
00:20:58.740 important. We're Christians. So the thing that, you know, the thing that makes us distinctly
00:21:03.720 Christian is not egalitarianism, which is antithetical to Christianity. Um, but, but what
00:21:10.600 makes us Christian is compassion. It's not that we don't believe in weak and strong, uh, head or
00:21:16.100 tail, superior, inferiors. We believe that even in the context of our marriage, my wife is my
00:21:22.220 inferior. And that doesn't mean that she's not superior in any specific category, that she
00:21:27.740 doesn't have some strengths that I don't have. But overall, in terms of position and not just
00:21:33.340 position, it's not an arbitrary role, right? So God doesn't say, you know, I've called fish to
00:21:38.780 the role of swimming and birds to the role of flying. And it has nothing to do with their
00:21:42.520 design. No, role is rooted in nature. It's rooted in design. So God has called fish to swim. They're
00:21:49.120 glorious when they swim. But he also made them with scales and gills and fins, you know, and birds
00:21:54.940 have hollow bone structure and feathers and wings and so on and so forth. So my wife is both
00:21:59.820 positionally in terms of her office, but then also by nature, she is the weaker vessel. That's 1.00
00:22:05.840 ontological. And so she both in role and also role, office, position, and also design nature
00:22:12.940 essence. She is my inferior. Now that doesn't make her eternally inferior in the sight of 0.89
00:22:19.060 god in terms of innate dignity and worth because she's a co-heir in grace you're talking specifically
00:22:23.660 about with respect to many earthly things when you when we're talking about even something like
00:22:29.440 the the strength of a woman obviously one of the one of the rare actual truths that follows from
00:22:36.600 galatians 3 is that spiritually speaking in spirit the woman and the man are equal all the church
00:22:44.920 fathers and all every theologian before 1960s was perfectly comfortable discussing any of this
00:22:51.020 and this doesn't apply to we understand generalities we can speak in group dynamics so
00:22:56.380 margaret thatcher who i think there were some problems there but um but she may be an exception
00:23:01.960 but on the whole are are women more susceptible to propaganda and manipulation than men on the
00:23:08.320 whole on average and the answer is yes so it's not just that they on average bench less than men
00:23:14.280 But it's actually even there are emotional, mental, physical, psychological, the distinctions go all the way down.
00:23:23.660 And so, too, I believe that that applies within measure to race.
00:23:29.440 Now, I do think it's important to note because the Bible says this, the distinctions or the emphasis, distinctions, racial egalitarianism is a lie and sexual egalitarianism is a lie.
00:23:41.000 However, it's not insignificant that the Bible places far more emphasis on the distinctions between sex than it does race.
00:23:49.480 And I think it's because those distinctions are both more important for our daily Christian lives.
00:23:53.980 They're more fundamental.
00:23:54.500 And I also think it's because those distinctions are also more significant.
00:24:00.280 I think there is a bigger difference.
00:24:02.040 And so I want to go on record saying this. 0.61
00:24:03.560 I think there's a bigger difference, speaking in generalities, between men and women than there are whites and blacks. 0.68
00:24:10.640 I think that that's a bigger difference, but to say therefore that there's no difference between whites and blacks is, um, here's the thing.
00:24:19.000 Um, number one, we're Christians and so we want to speak the truth. So one, it's not true to though, speaking, not just in principle, but in tactics, um, you are shooting yourself in the foot because, because the time where you could say that and get away with it, um, is, is rapidly coming to an end.
00:24:37.620 see the reels that the zoomers are making on instagram you are not going to for a footnote 0.82
00:24:44.140 you are losing all your credibility they're not going to trust you and it's because you can only 1.00
00:24:48.460 say that you know water flows uphill for so long exactly before someone's going to show up and do
00:24:54.020 the emperor has no clothes thing and say that's a naked guy over there though like his clothes
00:24:57.680 there's no clothes on him the more absurd the claim and the closer it is to some fundamental
00:25:04.000 creational reality that's obvious to anybody with eyes, the harder it's going to fall after it's
00:25:09.860 managed to be propped up for some period of time. And it's going to fall hard. And you won't just
00:25:15.940 get a reaction, by the way, you will get an overreaction. And that's coming. It's already
00:25:21.980 here in many corners, but it's coming. I see. I tell people all the time and a lot of people,
00:25:25.720 they don't get this because they just get the clips of Joel Webin or whatever, or a picture
00:25:30.620 that i specifically told wesley todd not to take and then i specifically told calvin not to post
00:25:36.040 on the internet the cigarette picture yeah you looked and i think we can all agree it wasn't
00:25:41.160 cringe at all it was so it was really cool and everybody should post a cigarette picture of
00:25:46.840 themselves right now because it's really cool the actual picture was cringe it was cringe but some
00:25:51.740 of the ai pictures mocking us some of those actually went hard no like there was a backstreet
00:25:56.940 boy one i was like it actually looked that i was like i wish we had taken that picture yeah we would
00:26:02.540 have gotten less criticism you know what i mean but the actual picture was because it's at least
00:26:06.020 self-conscious it's self-aware that it's cringe it made it look like you didn't think that was
00:26:10.760 cringe exactly but you knew whether it's don't post whether it's the i did say that and they did
00:26:15.300 they did not listen but whether it's the cringe pictures um which at the end of the day you know
00:26:20.720 this bar leadership the buck stops here so i have to own it um so whether it's cringe master joel
00:26:25.600 webbing with the pictures or the out of context, you know, clips or whatever it is. And there are
00:26:29.780 plenty of cringe moments to go around. Um, a lot of people that's, that's their only introduction
00:26:35.520 to Joel Webbing. That's really all they know. And, and, and so they probably have no clue what I'm
00:26:40.020 about to say. One of my biggest fears, um, and I recognize, you know, be anxious for nothing,
00:26:45.820 but with prayer and supplication make you. So I understand that anxiety, there is a sense in which
00:26:50.540 that is a sin. But I say a fear, not, not in the innate sense of like, I don't trust the Lord or
00:26:57.360 we're not going to make it. But, but I want to say fear because I'm trying to avoid the word
00:27:02.840 concern. I don't want to say I have a concern. We'd bleep it out. Yeah. So one of my biggest
00:27:08.620 fears is this. I'm not actually afraid that, that we lose, that the West, predominantly white 1.00
00:27:16.660 nations lose to liberalism i'm not afraid of that at all i'm actually convinced like in my bones
00:27:24.100 um that we are going to have a right-wing insurgency like nothing that people can even
00:27:30.500 predict that we are going to have a nationalist borderline fascist which will be less cringe the
00:27:38.400 fascists were like one of the big things it was patriarchy another one was aesthetics right they
00:27:42.600 wanted to lift the soul i think the kids called this aura yeah farming no dude the fascists were
00:27:48.260 big motion yeah because they were like we they were very much against modernity and just eyesores
00:27:54.220 public eyesores and things that are ugly like it needed to be beautiful it needed to be streamlined
00:27:59.160 the aesthetic needed to be glorious it's magnificent all this i think that that's coming
00:28:03.900 a hundred percent um i can't predict exactly when but i do think it'll be sooner than we think
00:28:09.620 so i i think that the right wing wins i'm not convinced that in the west uh that christianity
00:28:15.520 wins now i'm post-millennial um but i've gone through some uh some post-millennial upgrades
00:28:23.000 like 1.0 2.0 3.0 and i know you guys have too like honest let's just be honest the way that
00:28:28.820 we talked about our post-millennial hope three years ago is probably different than the way we
00:28:33.160 would articulate it today right satan's little season i'm not saying i'm 100 on board but i would
00:28:38.100 not scoff at that position the way that i once would have um it is possible and that falls within
00:28:43.440 a psychological post-millennial framework that post-millennialism maybe actually was a literal
00:28:47.520 millennial and maybe it happened it's what's called christendom and now camp of the saint style like
00:28:52.260 we're gonna you know that's actually possible and i leave room for that within my post-millennial
00:28:56.940 framework always believed that in my post-millennialism all right and and recently taught
00:29:02.060 a sermon about this order of events and i actually believe that i i actually i'm i'm not saying i
00:29:10.020 believe that that christendom and then we're in it now and that but i do believe that there will be
00:29:14.800 i believe that yeah i think that's entirely um yeah absolutely you know what though i like that
00:29:22.300 a lot better um one because i i actually think exegetically it's more viable but two i like that
00:29:28.700 a lot better than what I think is the worst form of post-millennialism, which is functionally
00:29:34.500 lends towards the same daily life practices as dispensational Zionism and dispensational 0.86
00:29:39.820 premillennialism, which is we win, but in 50,000 years. That post-millennialism can rock people to 0.78
00:29:47.900 sleep just as easily as Jesus is coming back next Thursday. And really this comes back to a point
00:29:54.300 Stephen Wolf has made many times. And that's that your eschatology should not be driving
00:29:59.280 your political engagement. It actually shouldn't be driving much of your day to day, how you live
00:30:05.500 the Christian life. What it, what it changes is what I believe and hope the outcome to be
00:30:10.780 because, and again, not because of what I observe day to day, but because I believe that the
00:30:16.420 scriptures teach quite emphatically in the, this side of glory, victory of Christ. Like that's,
00:30:22.940 That's the, that's the reason I'm post-millennial. It's in the Psalms.
00:30:26.300 It's in the kingdom parables. It's throughout the scriptures. I'm like,
00:30:29.060 that's why I believe it. So whenever the sun returns,
00:30:32.080 when the son of man returns, will he find faith on the earth?
00:30:35.860 It depends which parousia we're speaking of.
00:30:38.400 If it's a spiritual return that happened, I view as a second coming, you know,
00:30:42.100 in 80, 70, then the answer was very little.
00:30:45.060 And he came on clouds that were not pretty and happy,
00:30:48.120 but billows of smoke and judgment. And we know the story there.
00:30:51.320 And then there is a sense in which there's a parousia, a coming of Christ every single time the Holy Spirit sovereignly converts a heart and all those things.
00:30:58.960 You guys know this.
00:30:59.940 But if we're speaking of the Son of Man returning, finding faith on the earth in terms of his final physical return in the eschaton,
00:31:05.760 I actually believe that that implicit question, the answer is yes, that he will find much faith on the earth.
00:31:12.720 That said, I don't think that Christianity is going to be wiped out from the world.
00:31:17.160 The Lord is faithful.
00:31:17.920 He always reserves a remnant.
00:31:19.240 but in the west and i think there'd be a remnant even in the west um but if we think that because
00:31:24.540 of our post-millennial eschatology that we are somehow guaranteed that the west would remain
00:31:29.340 predominantly christian in the near future and when i say near future i don't just mean 20 years
00:31:33.700 but the next 200 300 500 centuries then dude we are are operating on a level of presumption that
00:31:40.120 is dangerous it is dangerous i think that what's far more likely is that we have a right-wing
00:31:45.560 resurgence, I feel far less bullish on us having a Christian revival. One of the things that I'm 0.72
00:31:52.740 trying to do right now is lay down a breadcrumb trail and set a public record, even at great
00:31:59.140 cost to myself by saying these things, because right now I'm a little early. And when you're
00:32:05.180 a little early, then you bear the brunt of resistance and you're going to get, they finna
00:32:09.340 drag you, you know, so they finna drag me. Joel Webb is getting dragged. But the reason why I
00:32:15.060 It's a day of the week that ends in Y.
00:32:16.780 Joel Webb is going to get tracked.
00:32:18.740 But the reason why I think it's vital is because I'm a father.
00:32:21.420 I have multiple children and I love them and I want their best.
00:32:24.320 And I'm concerned that we have a cultural and political resurgence back to the right that precludes Christianity.
00:32:32.140 Because right now, you know, Doug Wilson always said that it's a battle for the dictionary. 0.99
00:32:35.620 And he was right about that.
00:32:37.760 Here's the irony.
00:32:38.560 I think the number one word that we are fighting right now for who gets to define this word is not just what is an American or, you know, this out of the other.
00:32:49.880 The number one word that I think within 20 to 50 years time that people will look back and whoever wins today will define this word for those who live 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now is the word Christianity.
00:33:04.040 i have to beat owen strand and getting to define what it means to be christian because if he wins
00:33:14.200 the west i believe will be salvaged and saved and be glorious more prosperous more powerful
00:33:20.820 than ever before but if owen strand wins that that battle on what it means to be christian
00:33:26.560 then the west will will um they will conclude that christianity is actually a liability is
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00:35:12.520 It's like, it reminds me what you're saying is how I thought about the manosphere from the beginning.
00:35:18.020 You have this red pill manosphere movement.
00:35:20.220 You look at it and you go, man, these people, they're noticing something systemic in terms of a defect with modern society.
00:35:28.300 And it's egalitarianism.
00:35:29.700 They're noting egalitarianism.
00:35:31.000 and not just theoretically but its effects and they're saying i hate that there's something
00:35:36.120 about that that is deeply wrong and not just wrong but evil so i'm going to oppose it and then they
00:35:42.120 feel their way in the dark because they're ninevites they don't know their left hand from 0.94
00:35:44.660 their right hand they're wandering around and they're like well if if it's this then i'm going 0.97
00:35:49.160 to do that and they just say opposite whatever you get to make tau stuff and and and then there
00:35:54.640 was this opportunity in a door where you see they're trying to answer the question what grounds
00:35:59.440 all of these insights what is true okay if that's not if the predominant order is not truth if it's
00:36:05.280 not light then what is and you can either turn at that juncture to darwinism and pick up artistry
00:36:11.460 and hedonism and all these things or you can turn to something like christianity or you can turn
00:36:15.880 there's other things too you could invent some kind of arcane philosophy and you're like the 0.99
00:36:21.940 bronze age pervert you're these other guys and they come up with some philosophy a jewish guy 0.98
00:36:27.220 running naked through the woods. Yeah. And maybe they, maybe they glean from a couples. They're 1.00
00:36:32.080 like, we're going to take Plato and paganism and cobble together our own thing. But there was this
00:36:36.500 doorway where you could walk into the room as a Christian man who hated egalitarianism. And they, 0.74
00:36:42.260 they could agree. They're like, that guy hates egalitarianism. Let's give them a listen. Yeah.
00:36:46.200 And then you could walk in and say that the God you worship is unknown. I know him. His name is
00:36:51.200 God, the father. And that's what you've been looking for. And you did that. And that, and
00:36:54.620 And a couple of us men walked in the room and tried to do that and said, we're not in everything you're into, but I'm going to try to leave a trail of breadcrumbs for you between the things you're seeing that are true, but then also a transcendental ground for the guys who did that with the red pill movement, just for the record, for listeners, you're trying to understand, Joel, what are you up to?
00:37:13.940 And why are you hosting, you know, Alex Jones or, you know, that's what I'm trying to do with America first.
00:37:18.960 Yes.
00:37:19.140 and that from the first couple times we talked about a lot of this like america first stuff
00:37:24.300 that was the light bulb that came on for me i'm like oh joel is trying to do for america first
00:37:29.820 what many of us were trying to do for the manosphere right and the cost is similar the
00:37:34.860 hatred is similar yes because of a couple realities one of them being that the rooms
00:37:40.320 that you have to walk into you go to speak to those people they're not all deeply christian
00:37:43.780 rooms. Some of them are wildly pagan rooms. Some of them are like deeply morally. But one of the
00:37:51.320 reasons I'm more optimistic, you know, so I could have egg on my face in a couple of years and it's
00:37:56.600 just, you know, it was what it was. And I put my tail between my legs and I'm like, sorry guys,
00:38:01.020 botched that one, you know, and I'll try to, you know, get back on track and then repent before
00:38:05.140 the Lord. And maybe Owen has a staff slot for you. But part of the reason I do think it's
00:38:11.640 different and i've made the calculus that i have is because within america first when you look at
00:38:15.780 some of the premier voices within it they all are um at least professing christians they're actually
00:38:20.900 christian right so like nick fuentes um i understand he's roman catholic that's another
00:38:25.380 thing protestia my god they're so insufferable but when i say john calvin john calvin called
00:38:33.440 catholics christian did you know that yes in calvin's institutes multiple of his writing 0.97
00:38:37.600 it's it's a category um like what what are you going to call russia they're not muslim
00:38:45.020 they're not jewish they're not hindu they're not like it's so eo roman catholicism and
00:38:51.980 protestantism are the three main strains of christianity i'm not speaking to the personal
00:38:56.440 individual level at for on the topic of regeneration i i don't know if nick is
00:39:02.480 regenerate i think lots of catholics are just for the record but i think by and large it's
00:39:06.940 despite roman catholicism not because of it and nick may be a regenerate christian and maybe he's
00:39:11.580 not but here's the deal um nick proclaims christ and him crucified and and to me that's some of
00:39:19.080 the headway the red pill wasn't really doing that no the red pill wasn't doing that the red pill
00:39:22.840 though was a leading indicator of something that was happening surrounding the time period between
00:39:27.860 about the middle of the 20 teens through 2024 that kind of eight ten year window it's also
00:39:34.520 interesting i just want to point out like we addressed this in the longhouse book but that
00:39:38.520 was the exact time frame when the majority of institutions became predominantly female in
00:39:43.960 number yeah you you had a mass feminization hit hit the high water mark and you hit peak woke and
00:39:49.460 all these things but in the middle of that and actually partially maybe even largely because of
00:39:54.600 that you have the absolute death or the beginning of the death of things like materialism and all of
00:40:04.360 its attendance. So where did all of this come from? Like, well, it comes from the apostasy
00:40:10.700 of the West. It comes from the sexual revolution. It comes from feminism or egalitarianism and all 0.86
00:40:17.360 these things. They militated ultimately, again, they were trying to answer the big questions of
00:40:20.840 the world in a fundamentally atheistic and materialist way. They were saying, we don't
00:40:25.840 need Christianity. We're going to replace the Christian order with this new order. And a lot
00:40:30.780 of that is an enlightenment, fundamentally materialist order. It starts to fall apart
00:40:35.660 because it's not true. And it's obviously not true. There's a reason almost nobody in human
00:40:40.160 history believed these things because it's insane. It doesn't make it. You can look at any aspect of
00:40:44.900 creation and because it's preaching a sermon about the God who made it, it just, it's not
00:40:49.600 going to work for long. So these things are starting to die. Other things are rushing in
00:40:54.280 to fill the vacuum. And the dude, the Wignats and the pagan nationalists and like the Adam 0.73
00:40:59.180 greens of the world like i understand that it's still somewhat fringe but um a lot of people are
00:41:05.060 they're just not in the conversation and praise god they're with their families they're working
00:41:08.400 in their vocation they're not terminally online that's that's great good for them they're probably
00:41:11.980 happier but somebody actually has to care about it because because these things start small but
00:41:16.660 eventually they they gain critical mass this was actually one of the i don't know maybe like dirty
00:41:22.260 little secrets in reformed christian circles uh you did the interview with fuentes and i was like
00:41:29.480 waiting to see what the response would be and like you know our adjacent circles which include
00:41:33.740 like the crec and what's really funny about it i thought a lot of the young men would lose their
00:41:39.340 minds that you had done it and what i found out was a lot of the young men were like oh i've been
00:41:44.960 listening for years for 10 years they they they were afraid to tell their elders that and and the
00:41:50.180 reason is important but it meant a lot to them that you were engaging it and and i think in a
00:41:56.280 christian way yes like there was real pushback and the reason for all that's important to understand
00:42:01.040 like why are they doing that why are so many men listening to nick fuena's why are so many young
00:42:06.200 men coming to positions on the issue of race that they're not being open about it right especially
00:42:13.260 with their pastors right or because they'll be kicked out of their church family or things like
00:42:17.880 that. The reason that they're doing that though, is because the Christian leaders were not telling
00:42:24.240 the truth about these issues. And they were propping up with elaborate theological justifications 0.91
00:42:30.400 that are frankly retarded ideas that cannot withstand five minutes of observation of the, 0.99
00:42:37.820 of the world. Like if you were to try to claim with a straight face, that multiculturalism is 1.00
00:42:44.900 the strength of America and that there is no material difference other than
00:42:49.800 religion between, I don't know, the black community of America,
00:42:55.320 the black populace of America and the, and the,
00:42:57.500 and the white community and the Hispanic, like any, 0.93
00:43:00.120 anybody under the age of about 38 that is like, well, hang on, but, 0.84
00:43:06.720 but I have eyes in my head. Yeah.
00:43:08.760 And then they hear the police officers if they think that's true.
00:43:11.240 And then they hear their pastor saying, you know, the most, 0.96
00:43:14.200 i mean i cannot emphasize this enough retarded explanations to try to prop up what is fundamentally 0.93
00:43:21.000 liberalism and obviously liberalism nations aren't propositional is a proposition itself 0.88
00:43:26.160 these these kinds of statements like i mean it's like it's you almost want to like rip your hair
00:43:33.440 out it's like this is so you want to talk about right you think yeah yeah you think smoking a
00:43:38.680 cigarette is cringe like it's a little cringe but i'm telling you dude yeah fast forward the tape
00:43:44.340 10 20 years and people will look back on some of these things and they'll be like oh my gosh
00:43:50.120 it will be embarrassing and and that's why a lot of them will scrub and they'll remove everything
00:43:54.940 they can and they'll kind of do the you know i think josh howerton i was gonna say enough about
00:43:58.660 josh howerton where oh george floyd sermon what george floyd sermon i know what you're i don't
00:44:02.100 know what you're talking about preaching my church i've always never happened i've always been based
00:44:05.440 But coming back to the race issue, I think it's important for people to understand that that is one of the fundamental reasons why we talk about it, why you talk about it, why it's politically, not just politically necessary, but it's necessary for the credibility of the Christian faith as a universally true system of belief.
00:44:29.080 And even as a Christian, even as a minister, which the reality, I may not be a minister forever, because that's not the core of my identity. My identity is as a churchman, as a Christian. So I'm always going to love the local church and be a faithful member and all those things. I love my church. I love pastoring them. And I think that they would be really sad if I ever stepped down. And I want to be clear to any of them that are listening that I don't have any future plans or anything like that.
00:44:53.560 But my point is I can perceive a future hypothetical, you know, existence of Joel Webin that doesn't involve me as a pastor.
00:45:03.880 But so long as I am, which, you know, it could be two years, it could be 20, who knows.
00:45:09.500 But so long as I am, Christians have to speak the truth, but ministers especially.
00:45:13.840 And I think of the quote from Luther that says, wherever the battle rages, the fiercest, right?
00:45:18.480 It's on that hill, on that front, that the soldier's true allegiance, his courage is tested, that if he fails, even on that one front, but if it be the place that's currently under the most attack, then he is denied.
00:45:36.020 And he literally says, denied Christ.
00:45:38.460 And so people say that, but what's the big deal?
00:45:41.040 Even if you guys are right about race, it's not like I'm denying the Trinity, you know, or the gospel or double imputation or, you know, any of these kinds of things.
00:45:47.900 the hypostatic union um yeah but but this is the thing that is under most attack right now
00:45:54.740 and for christian ministers to avoid it or even to prop up the lie yeah which is far worse um when
00:46:03.200 it is the the most attacked um fraught area is it i i i think that in a real way it is to compromise
00:46:14.260 and to sin against your own soul and i i can't do it i won't do it and in one one thing it leaves
00:46:20.400 open because the culture is going to change back mass culture is going to revert to some
00:46:26.360 other version of its explanation of reality real quick on that and that that was my point in saying
00:46:32.720 that one of my greatest fears is not that the west utterly falls and camp of the saints that
00:46:37.880 kind of thing you know we're all surrounded by you know that could happen but i don't think that
00:46:41.880 happens in the near term i actually think that we that we get our mojo back and i think that
00:46:46.960 eventually there's enough pain to where you know the the frog still has a few nerve endings left
00:46:51.840 and jumps out of the slowly boiling water and and has a reaction a response but it might not be
00:46:56.880 christian but it may not be christian and and here's the thing for a while you know i really
00:47:02.680 hopped into you know worship is warfare you know and um all of christ for all of life which i still
00:47:07.980 believe all of christ for all of life but but just thinking that like that that that's enough
00:47:12.800 and that that we win that way and not just that it's enough sufficient but um but even more than
00:47:18.540 that like thinking that um that it was necessary for political civic life temporal life it's not
00:47:24.540 i know there's sound people that oh my gosh i can't believe you're a pastor and you're saying
00:47:29.500 this guys japan is less than two percent christian and they actually have a pretty good country
00:47:35.300 You actually do not have to be a Christian country
00:47:37.700 in order to look at God's book of nature
00:47:41.520 because God wrote two books, not just one.
00:47:43.840 You can look to God's book of nature
00:47:45.840 as a sentient human being
00:47:48.360 with rationale created in the image of God
00:47:50.640 without being regenerate
00:47:51.920 and without, apart from George Whitefields
00:47:54.180 and Jonathan Edwards and National Revivals,
00:47:57.140 and have less than 2% of your population being Christian
00:48:00.160 and simply choose in the natural category,
00:48:03.520 temporal category to not go against the grain but rather go with it and you can be immensely 0.64
00:48:09.280 prosperous like when nick fuentes says uh jews control everything women need to shut up and 0.81
00:48:14.560 blacks need to be disproportionately put in prison here's the deal and he was like and we would live 0.85
00:48:19.460 in paradise now it's like well that's terrible he's uh notice what he didn't say uh christ and 0.99
00:48:25.560 him crucified actually guys um he's speaking temporally if temporally we said we're going
00:48:32.640 to punish people regardless of skin color if they've actually done something criminal and we
00:48:37.940 recognize that it's going to be racially disproportionate because we've seen the fbi
00:48:42.360 statistics that are already massively skewed and even those are downplaying it because a bunch of
00:48:48.400 people who are not white are being labeled as white we've seen all that data um if if we actually
00:48:54.060 punish on a meritocracy and and right just true justice is blind not showing favoritism and we're
00:49:01.320 okay with it being racially disproportionate because it is what it is. And we take women
00:49:05.720 out of the public square and we get rid of the foreign entanglements and people, you know, 1.00
00:49:10.860 foreign interests ruling over us. And we also, while we're at it, we deport, you know, 1.00
00:49:15.800 50 million or a hundred million people. Guess what? We could abandon Christ and still do those
00:49:23.460 things from simply God's book of nature, from natural law, general revelation, and we would
00:49:29.480 be immensely prosperous people it's the mistake that people often make where they think that
00:49:35.060 the way that you notice that satan is at work or there's demon worship happening is by people's
00:49:39.860 head spinning around and there's overt occultism and things like that but you can absolutely
00:49:44.540 have a society that is where demon worship is the norm that on the surface it is orderly yeah
00:49:53.440 Because demons, they're OK with deceptions that that ultimately lose the soul of the person while maintaining some semblance of outward order.
00:50:04.820 That's fine.
00:50:05.960 That's OK with them.
00:50:06.920 I've even used that exact clip in our church as an example of this conversation, the Nick Fuentes clip of someone who's like, it's it's wildly offensive to the liberalism of our day.
00:50:18.060 but he's actually not, he's not only speaking to a handful of some of the most important
00:50:23.720 political problems facing our day. He's speaking to them in an age when almost every Christian
00:50:29.920 pastor in America is refusing to speak to any of them. Correct. What do you think that is going to 0.99
00:50:35.420 produce in the hearts of, of the next generations? Right. Who are they going to trust? The person
00:50:40.720 that told them the hard truth when it was so costly that they were canceled and opposed by
00:50:45.340 the entire world and still said, and by the way, did it at 125 pounds or whatever Nick
00:50:50.580 Fuentes is, you know, stand in there, 125 pounds soaking wet, courageously withstanding
00:50:55.320 all of the cancellation mechanisms the world can throw at him.
00:50:58.620 And who are they going to follow?
00:51:00.660 Right.
00:51:00.840 Nick is doing now in regards to foreign influence and the issue of race, what Andrew Tate did
00:51:06.160 10 years prior, right.
00:51:07.860 In his peak, right.
00:51:08.900 Cause he's declined, but in his peak, what Tate was doing on the issue of patriarchy
00:51:12.800 men and women.
00:51:13.300 Yeah. There's, there's an analogy there between.
00:51:15.780 So, and, and, and it's like, everyone's like,
00:51:18.420 you young men need to stop listening to Andrew Tate.
00:51:20.560 And it's like, 0.77
00:51:20.840 young men are listening to Andrew Tate because pastors are effeminate.
00:51:24.180 And he's the only person who's willing to speak the truth.
00:51:26.580 Is it the whole truth? No. Is it the Christian truth? No.
00:51:29.980 Will it send you to hell? Absolutely. Absolutely. 0.99
00:51:33.660 But you know,
00:51:34.440 I heard someone once say that Andrew Tate was sitting in the right direction
00:51:37.360 and you know, and what that ultimately, which by the way,
00:51:42.220 By the way, I think this is hilarious.
00:51:44.220 You got in trouble for that, obviously.
00:51:46.240 That came from Tim Bailey.
00:51:48.320 That's right.
00:51:48.780 Where I first heard it.
00:51:49.800 He's friends with Doug.
00:51:50.740 And I heard it from Tim Bailey because Doug recommended it.
00:51:53.560 Yes.
00:51:54.540 Yeah.
00:51:55.060 So it's just, it's just funny like that you got in trouble.
00:51:57.720 Nobody was upset when Tim Bailey said it because everybody knows what's being said,
00:52:01.460 but they pretend to not know what's being said if Joel Weapon's saying it.
00:52:04.600 That's right.
00:52:04.860 But the point is, okay, so use biblical language.
00:52:08.100 Okay.
00:52:08.320 um the book of romans paul literally talks about men exchanging natural relations with women and
00:52:14.780 becoming uninflamed with lust for one another um and pursuing unnatural relations so this is the
00:52:22.460 theological framework there are sins which accord with nature um being a a womanizer uh polygamy
00:52:30.180 these kinds of things um are actually they're actually sins they are sins let's start there 0.92
00:52:35.720 but secondarily there's sins which accord with nature homosexuality is a sin that is unnatural 0.94
00:52:41.600 and receives within the members of your own being the due penalty for that unnatural sin 0.73
00:52:46.660 and so god was so real for that aids snap you know so but the point is we had an off-camera
00:52:56.220 discussion about aids as you guys can expect god was so real for one thing just just as a sidebar
00:53:01.960 here um i did you guys know that about the transmissibility we talked about when you told
00:53:07.860 us that i that was aids is far less transmissible through heterosexual intercourse because aids is
00:53:15.060 actually not very transmissible overall you have to have blood-to-blood contact so the reason 0.85
00:53:20.260 that aids was almost a perfect homosexual infecting the homosexual population is because due to the 0.88
00:53:28.600 nature of what they're up to and i'm not going to go into details yeah please there are bleeding 0.96
00:53:32.260 lesions because they're misusing the human body so egregiously that it rebels against them by
00:53:37.020 forming wounds that they then again on things that they do in the darkness which are ought not even
00:53:44.300 be named and it results in massive populations of people dying from aids correct so that as an
00:53:51.460 example of what you're talking about in in all seriousness as an example it's so it is so
00:53:58.060 militates against nature against the nature of how god created the human body and that's my point
00:54:02.060 you can tell what is natural sins that accord with nature still sins versus sins that do not
00:54:06.740 accord with nature you can tell by the natural fruit i'm not talking about the supernatural
00:54:11.000 fruit the eternal the spiritual but i'm talking about the natural fruit yeah what happens in
00:54:16.720 polygamous societies bad bad things um yeah some bad things but uh but they don't disappear overnight
00:54:22.980 no they have lots of children the bad things are going to be kind of like peripheral and then 0.86
00:54:27.580 ultimately the society will ultimately in like in a polygamous cult there will be lots of
00:54:32.100 disaffected young men yes who are the lower rung but their line will ultimately die out which is 0.95
00:54:37.260 tragic yes it's not christian it doesn't it doesn't exercise compassion like greek and rome
00:54:41.480 greece and rome were incredibly successful societies they want christian societies so
00:54:46.200 how did they do it well they do did it through brutality well it's like if you sinned against
00:54:49.700 nature by hating your your family members which would be to be without natural affection you'd be
00:54:54.760 a store day, then you would not be able to have functional civilization.
00:54:59.760 But if you sit in accordance with nature and you,
00:55:02.940 and you're really partial in a sinful way towards your friends and your
00:55:07.080 brother and your family to where you'd let your uncle get away with murder,
00:55:11.020 you know, and whatever, you could actually still have some semblance.
00:55:14.980 Now, not a sinful partiality,
00:55:17.380 but it would be a sin that accords with nature.
00:55:20.280 And so therefore the natural consequences won't be as severe. 1.00
00:55:24.020 The natural consequences for a womanizer 0.99
00:55:27.140 are not as severe as for a sodomite. 0.99
00:55:30.220 Yeah, see, Freddie Mercury.
00:55:32.020 So we know these things.
00:55:33.340 So everybody knew what I was talking about.
00:55:34.860 They pretended not to because it was me.
00:55:36.620 People will actually now, in a new way,
00:55:38.840 pretend not to understand from this conversation as well.
00:55:41.160 I want to ask you,
00:55:42.700 because I heard you talk about it on Patrick, Pat, David,
00:55:45.460 which came out today,
00:55:46.520 but I'm such an avid Joel Webber engineer
00:55:48.840 that have already listened to part of it.
00:55:51.260 But my question is,
00:55:53.520 you brought this up that the idea of what it does to demoralize a people
00:55:57.860 every time.
00:55:59.560 And I mean,
00:56:00.080 I've paid attention more in the last two years,
00:56:02.440 every single time there is a marriage on television,
00:56:09.160 advertising,
00:56:10.160 whatever it is always an interracial couple.
00:56:15.060 And it's a gay couple or a gay couple couple,
00:56:17.700 but,
00:56:18.260 but more frequent than gay homosexual by far is interracial. 0.91
00:56:22.160 the movies all it's seemingly all the movies you know you talk obviously the the new christopher
00:56:27.940 nolan film but even outside of the felon of troy that's funny how have i not heard that that's a
00:56:37.180 good one wow but my question is like why is that a moral problem moving forward especially for the
00:56:45.040 disheartenment of our people but also the it really is a form of extermination yes of white 0.90
00:56:51.020 people. Yes. It's the only, it's an arrangement that cannot produce white. Correct. It's the 0.96
00:56:54.640 only biological arrangement. So when you think of like the, the new libtard flag, right, their 1.00
00:56:59.240 latest rendition, it's like, it's an eyesore, you know, it's all these different colors because 1.00
00:57:04.000 they're representing every minority group under the sun and they keep adding minority groups by 1.00
00:57:07.960 every 15 minutes. And so it just keeps getting more and more elaborate. Um, but it's trans and
00:57:13.460 it's gay and it's the L and the G and the B and the T, but then it's also, you know, the Browns 0.98
00:57:19.540 and it's also BLM, it's the blacks, 0.98
00:57:21.560 and it's also Palestine,
00:57:23.400 and it's also this, that, and the other. 0.98
00:57:25.560 Anything but white people.
00:57:26.540 There's only one group not represented, 0.90
00:57:28.500 and it's white people.
00:57:30.300 It's heterosexual whites. 1.00
00:57:32.080 Because that's the young woman holding the flag. 1.00
00:57:34.340 That's right. 0.98
00:57:35.020 She brings the white to it.
00:57:36.440 There you go. 0.80
00:57:37.300 You're right. 1.00
00:57:37.720 It usually is a white liberal woman with blue hair. 1.00
00:57:40.680 But my point is that white people
00:57:42.440 can be adjacently represented by this flag 0.98
00:57:45.780 if they're gay or if they're lesbian
00:57:47.680 or if they're trans or whatever.
00:57:49.540 but heterosexual because we want to look at this and we want to say the one thing that the you know
00:57:55.420 the real war is against christians and by proxy it's against white people but that's because
00:58:00.620 christianity christendom over the last thousand years has been predominantly in white european 0.50
00:58:04.200 nations in america but no no we got to be done with that guys there's a war in christianity and
00:58:10.240 there's war on white people and they are not the same war these are two wars like a venn diagram
00:58:14.500 there's a lot of overlap, but they are distinct and you have to see them that way. That flag
00:58:19.060 does not actually disclude. It is not meant to disclude Christians because they're not worried
00:58:24.900 about spiritual posterity. That's not their biggest. They actually want to biologically
00:58:29.820 root us out. They want to genocide white people. So the one group of people that are discluded and 1.00
00:58:36.600 discriminated against is the one biological arrangement on God's green earth that produces 0.94
00:58:41.740 white children. And so here's the deal. When I look at the world today, and I think abortion, 0.86
00:58:47.280 if they can't kill you in the womb, then they're going to try to turn you gay. And if they can't 0.99
00:58:50.820 turn you gay, then they're going to, you know, you were able to avoid all that. You had conservative
00:58:55.800 Christian parents, then they're going to sign you up for the military and make sure you go and bleed 0.99
00:58:59.040 out for sand demons in the Middle East, fighting a war for Israel. Like who goes and dies? Pete 0.99
00:59:03.760 Hexeth, I'm just going to say it. Pete Hexeth, who has on tape, you know, wanting to rebuild the
00:59:09.220 third temple in israel at the end of the day i'm not saying this is his intention or his heart or
00:59:14.900 his motives or anything like that he's probably a really nice guy and i know that he's a christian
00:59:18.640 although i have some serious disagreements with some of his views but the point is like you you
00:59:24.380 should know you should know we're going to war when um when they pick someone who's not a fat 0.57
00:59:31.000 lard to be the head of america's military what they're doing is they're they're saying all right 0.69
00:59:35.860 We did the DEI and the military long enough, and what we're doing now is it's time to recruit conservative Christian white straight men. 0.56
00:59:43.240 So let's give you an inspirational, strong, fit white Christian man with a crusader cross on his chest. 0.60
00:59:47.940 So through foreign wars that disproportionately kill white men, through all the propaganda of gay this and gay that and abortion, I understand that that's more disproportionate towards black children in the womb, but it still has killed millions and millions of white children. 0.56
01:00:05.500 You look at all these different things. 0.61
01:00:06.980 You look at the economy and getting rid of the middle class and shipping everything off overseas instead of the typical jobs, you know, your blue collar jobs that white men could get to afford a home and be able to afford to have a family. 0.57
01:00:20.240 And you look at feminism and the way that has fractured the family and future marriage. 0.82
01:00:24.500 And you look at the environmental thing, like stop having white babies, all these arguments, you know, that when you look at all that and then and then you're going to tell me. 0.78
01:00:34.900 That, yeah, I could see how all of that is ultimately to eradicate white people, but not the 75% of all commercials, television shows, and movies showing biracial, you know, whatever, romantic relationships. 0.98
01:00:54.160 That one's benign. 0.93
01:00:56.320 That one's different.
01:00:58.200 No.
01:00:59.440 That one, so we have to be able to speak in categories.
01:01:02.120 That one in biblical terms is not inherently sinful, but in terms of its weaponization,
01:01:09.620 its utility is being used just like abortion, being used just like foreign wars, being used 0.95
01:01:15.960 just like mass immigration to displace white people, being used just like LGBT. So is it just 0.95
01:01:21.780 like those things? No. I've said this so many times on our channel. Nobody cares. Nobody listens,
01:01:27.480 But no, it's not the same. These other things, abortion is inherently wicked. Interracial marriage is not. It is biblically permissible. But the people who are pushing it from Hollywood, the people in academic institutions, in entertainment, in media institutions, they are using it to make sure that white people do not propagate.
01:01:49.320 They want to make sure that we don't actually have white babies. And so you talk about, you know, courage is tested wherever the battle rages the fiercest. And so I want to be willing, and I did it on the PBD episode, and Patrick, but David, like, you know what, not zero, zero surprised, not surprised at all. 0.70
01:02:11.680 i go on patrick bet david uh reformed christians drag me over the coals for months
01:02:16.900 for months over the interracial marriage topic um pat has me on the show brings it up
01:02:24.660 asked me what i think by the way he's iran iranian married to a white woman yes and wasn't born here
01:02:32.500 he's an immigrant who was fleeing islam he hates islam god bless um you know but he he flees here
01:02:37.740 with his dad his dad's very wealthy and um patrick is worth 350 million dollars because he's smart 0.70
01:02:43.760 he earned it he worked really hard um but he's iranian he's a christian religiously um actually
01:02:49.600 like uh presbyterian uh but he's a christian man and uh but he marries a white woman as an iranian
01:02:57.240 immigrant he's brown and he asked me about the interracial marriage that directly affects him
01:03:02.320 who do you think has a more mature response and more objectivity or patrick bat david patrick 0.80
01:03:08.560 bbd do you know how infuriating that is it's not surprising it what but here's the thing he brought
01:03:14.580 up so i make my point i don't know i'm on the spot i don't know how he's going to respond and he had
01:03:19.100 it prepared before he even came in he's like all right let's pull up the statistics and he reads
01:03:22.700 through the divorce statistics for homogenous marriages racially speaking and then interracial
01:03:28.260 marriages and he reads down the list hispanic married to white you know asian married to black
01:03:33.480 like goes down the list and he says all right so i've done the math here on average um if you're
01:03:39.180 in a racially homogenous marriage you have on average a 10 percent uh greater likelihood of
01:03:44.880 the marriage not ending divorce joel sounds like you just want healthy marriages you know what i
01:03:51.180 would give i would kill for a reformed minister of the gospel of jesus christ to have half of the 0.82
01:03:56.940 reasonableness that we are called in scripture to to be shown to all and then this iranian immigrant 0.88
01:04:03.200 who who can easily have pretended to be offended by your view and and misunderstand it and then 0.96
01:04:08.540 and this is the this is the craziest thing to me is that when you look at the agenda from just the
01:04:13.700 top level like we're down in the weeds of how they're executing this agenda of anti-white
01:04:18.560 hatred and anti-white self-hatred that the agenda is real is beyond dispute yeah it is beyond
01:04:26.660 dispute because look at look at how television and media even ended up there by the way it wasn't
01:04:32.200 because every single director and producer decided overnight that they were going to adopt a broadly
01:04:38.840 anti-white many of them did many of them are huge libs but part of it is that part of it is that
01:04:44.680 show them the incentive structures well what did they do with the awards shows do you want to be
01:04:49.640 eligible to win an award for your television or movie that's why then you have to meet a certain 0.98
01:04:54.720 DEI quota you have to have a certain number of non-white actors in and you know what they have 0.99
01:04:59.460 to be in major roles and pretty soon they start aligning the the uh and none of them are about 0.98
01:05:04.840 making a great film right they're not about that at all they're so that's just one tiny little
01:05:10.840 almost insignificant example compared to even some of the things like Jeremy Carl's book
01:05:15.180 goes into with admissions and high in in colleges and medical schools and law schools and things
01:05:20.400 like this. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. That this is happening is beyond,
01:05:26.580 is indisputable. It's indisputable. So when people would pretend to be so offended and be
01:05:32.640 far more offended that you would follow all of this data down and say, man, it seems like they're
01:05:38.240 up to something nefarious with this thing. And let me nuance the heck out of it. And Joel Webb
01:05:43.560 and nuancing the heck out of it in ways that many other people are not nuancing the heck out of it.
01:05:47.520 Correct. And I didn't have to walk anything back either. I took my tweet where I, the first time I ever publicly voiced my position, which by the way, I came to this position slowly over the course of probably about three, three and a half years. Right. So I didn't just turn on a dime. Right. Right. But I, I gave it on, on X and I said, I believe that interracial marriage, comma, while being biblically permissible, comma, generally on the whole, not in
01:06:17.480 Each, not in the micro, but in the macro generally goes against God's ordinary slash normative design for peoples, cultures, and nations. 0.51
01:06:26.000 And when I, the one thing that I would take back if I could is I wouldn't say normative because in philosophical terms, normative carries moral obligation and I'm not actually making a moral claim.
01:06:38.040 So, but I am glad I said ordinary slash normative because what I really mean is ordinary.
01:06:43.280 So God's regular, normal.
01:06:45.920 And we can say that that's true because it clearly God intends, it pleases God that at the eschaton, there will still be nations that are distinct.
01:06:55.840 And that is impossible if that is not the normal pattern.
01:06:59.480 If everyone intermarries here, if you get rid of diversity here on earth, then you will not be able to have diversity in heaven.
01:07:08.040 Every tribe, tongue, and nation in unity surrounding the throne of the Lamb and worshiping him for all eternity, blacks, whites, Asians, everybody else, does not happen if we just conflate everything, if we have this melting pot soup in the meantime. 0.86
01:07:25.860 So it's a perfectly reasonable position.
01:07:28.120 I'm not going into any isolated case and saying your marriage is not a legitimate marriage. 0.98
01:07:33.360 And once again, by the way, you are a lib compared to many, many, probably the majority of Christians who have ever lived. 1.00
01:07:39.560 Correct. 1.00
01:07:40.160 You're the lib.
01:07:41.220 Correct.
01:07:41.480 That position.
01:07:42.160 So how much more does the modern liberal position on any of this stuff condemn, not only disagree with, but condemn as not Christians, as apostate heretics, the vast majority of our Christian forefathers and foremothers? 0.80
01:07:58.060 And it just does. 0.61
01:07:58.800 If we're honest with ourselves, it just does. 0.70
01:08:00.240 And even Teddy Roosevelt would say that like, so this isn't just 250 years ago, but in recent living American history, the idea that American was an ethnicity and not just in terms of culture, but also in terms of blood, it was an amalgamation of multiple European white nations being forged together in a furnace by way of providence, settling the West and these kinds of things. 0.68
01:08:24.400 And that over time with adversity, providentially, and with similar ingredients, right?
01:08:30.140 So how do you make a sword?
01:08:31.580 There's going to be multiple different metals, but they're all going to be metals.
01:08:34.280 It's not going to be some is wood and hay and stubble and then some metal.
01:08:37.500 So it's going to be silver alloy and there's going to be some iron and there's going to be,
01:08:41.140 but it's the ingredients are distinct from one another, but still somewhat closely related.
01:08:46.900 Then you have to put it into fire, right?
01:08:49.320 So there's some kind of providence factor, adversity, and then time. 0.97
01:08:52.980 Now, the opposite of that would be instead of 200 years, we're going to do 15 minutes mass immigration. 0.95
01:08:57.740 Instead of similar ingredients, we're going to take Haitians and Irish and this and that. 0.88
01:09:02.440 And instead of fire, you're not going to be coming to work hard and to settle the West. 0.97
01:09:06.340 You're going to be coming to get a free handout.
01:09:08.000 There is no fire.
01:09:08.840 So it's a furnace with no fire for 15 minutes with the most opposite ingredients you could possibly imagine.
01:09:14.860 One ingredient is going to pay for all the other ingredients.
01:09:17.380 That's right.
01:09:18.220 In this metaphor.
01:09:19.140 You can't have a country that way. 0.82
01:09:20.340 And so in that way, these distinct peoples are never melded as one.
01:09:24.820 So it is actually possible through providence.
01:09:26.900 God has done this throughout history where different peoples eventually form one race.
01:09:31.320 So races are actually not set.
01:09:33.620 They can't be changed overnight, but they can be changed slowly.
01:09:36.340 But exactly the way I just said, which by the way, I got from Teddy Roosevelt.
01:09:40.380 These are not Joel Webin novel ideas.
01:09:44.900 What's my secret power?
01:09:46.100 It's like, oh, he can't keep getting away with it.
01:09:47.800 How do you wiggle out of that one?
01:09:49.020 Here's my secret power.
01:09:49.880 I've never had an original idea.
01:09:52.100 Never.
01:09:53.020 And by God's grace, I never will.
01:09:55.040 I'm just going to regurgitate. 0.98
01:09:57.040 Oh, he's a grifter. 0.92
01:09:58.160 Yes, that's correct.
01:09:59.520 I'm building a platform, trying to gain influence, regurgitating smarter and better men than myself to win my country so that my four daughters have a future.
01:10:08.200 This is one of the things people say, what do you think about Joel Webin?
01:10:12.240 Is he your friend?
01:10:13.200 Do you like him?
01:10:13.540 And I always say, Joel Webin's our friend.
01:10:15.400 We know him personally.
01:10:16.960 Had him in the home.
01:10:18.100 Been in his house.
01:10:18.820 he's the real he's the real deal here's how i know that joel webben is really my friend and
01:10:24.140 like why i really trust him because in joel webben there are many bones but but none of them are the
01:10:30.180 bone of guile you will never hear joel webben pretend or try to hide in fact here's the cool
01:10:38.120 thing about joel webben you can go ask joel webben what his whole plan is and he will tell you his
01:10:45.260 he's like the super villains in the movies that that lose because they soliloquize yeah you know
01:10:51.720 where you're like instead of just killing james bond yeah you know they sit there and they're
01:10:57.540 like here's my entire master plan and then they do like an evil cackle joel literally will do this
01:11:03.140 and the evil cackle and it just turns out that it's not an evil plan it's actually a perfectly
01:11:06.960 fine plan and i agree with most of the plan but like literally you guys you have to understand
01:11:10.560 this since when did we meet um what year it's probably been 21 you and i were doing podcasts
01:11:17.200 in like 2020 it's been it's been four plus years four or five years and and from the beginning
01:11:24.360 privately publicly i'm like joel what you what you see is what you get joel will tell you exactly
01:11:29.320 what he thinks like eli mcgowan came out with you know a letter that was confident says
01:11:33.680 confidential on the top you know and then published with his name so he would get credit forever you
01:11:37.920 know as the letter continues to circulate which by the way the only parties that had that letter
01:11:41.920 were moscow apologia and joe boot but that's none of my business yeah so one of them gave that to
01:11:46.900 eli mcgowan who is a known persecutor of of christians but my point is uh even when he did
01:11:52.360 that that didn't um shocked i tell you uh but even when he did that like it was you know and all
01:11:58.640 glory goes to god certainly not me but by god's grace like i wasn't worried how you guys would
01:12:03.600 respond because a year in advance you already knew because i told you because joel i remember
01:12:08.580 the moment i was in the back of a car in texas hey just so you know here's all of the worst
01:12:14.080 things i've ever done yeah uh i just want to tell you because if you want to be associated with me
01:12:18.400 in any way you should have the courtesy come out and uh here's you know why you know i totally
01:12:24.320 sin here's everything i repented of and why and you know okay so anyway um do what do you do you
01:12:29.560 want to do you want to go get uh some fries covered in steak and then i was like yes i actually do
01:12:35.000 which now we did and now we can't because we're not fat that's when we were fat i still eat
01:12:39.840 they're good well you have to get in a car right now and drive frankly in illegal speed to get to
01:12:46.660 your flight okay so thank you for joining us yeah uh we hope people join us uh for the conference
01:12:51.780 in texas yes and use promo code ogden all caps ogden 20 off go to new christian right.com
01:12:58.200 forward slash conference yep well thanks again we appreciate your time and flying all the way
01:13:02.560 out to ogden always a pleasure thank you guys it's an honor catch you next time on the king's hall
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