00:04:37.020I don't know how people could be, I get how people could disagree with this or that, but I don't get how people could freak out so much about it on a level.
00:04:46.920Race just is an issue where that kind of dynamic seems to rule.
00:04:50.880So we wanted to sit down with you and talk about, A, what you actually believe versus what the internet memes, straw man, slop lord accounts claim that you believe regularly.
00:20:04.500One thing people get quite squeamish about is when you start doing any kind of comparison between races and you say superior, inferior, better, not as good.
00:20:42.180Yeah, no, I think that, no, I certainly don't think that it's inherently sinful to make comparisons between races.
00:20:48.660But I'll go, you know, I see your bet and I'll raise you.
00:20:52.500Um, as I knew you would, I actually think it's necessary. Um, and, and, but our posture is
00:20:58.740important. We're Christians. So the thing that, you know, the thing that makes us distinctly
00:21:03.720Christian is not egalitarianism, which is antithetical to Christianity. Um, but, but what
00:21:10.600makes us Christian is compassion. It's not that we don't believe in weak and strong, uh, head or
00:21:16.100tail, superior, inferiors. We believe that even in the context of our marriage, my wife is my
00:21:22.220inferior. And that doesn't mean that she's not superior in any specific category, that she
00:21:27.740doesn't have some strengths that I don't have. But overall, in terms of position and not just
00:21:33.340position, it's not an arbitrary role, right? So God doesn't say, you know, I've called fish to
00:21:38.780the role of swimming and birds to the role of flying. And it has nothing to do with their
00:21:42.520design. No, role is rooted in nature. It's rooted in design. So God has called fish to swim. They're
00:21:49.120glorious when they swim. But he also made them with scales and gills and fins, you know, and birds
00:21:54.940have hollow bone structure and feathers and wings and so on and so forth. So my wife is both
00:21:59.820positionally in terms of her office, but then also by nature, she is the weaker vessel. That's1.00
00:22:05.840ontological. And so she both in role and also role, office, position, and also design nature
00:22:12.940essence. She is my inferior. Now that doesn't make her eternally inferior in the sight of0.89
00:22:19.060god in terms of innate dignity and worth because she's a co-heir in grace you're talking specifically
00:22:23.660about with respect to many earthly things when you when we're talking about even something like
00:22:29.440the the strength of a woman obviously one of the one of the rare actual truths that follows from
00:22:36.600galatians 3 is that spiritually speaking in spirit the woman and the man are equal all the church
00:22:44.920fathers and all every theologian before 1960s was perfectly comfortable discussing any of this
00:22:51.020and this doesn't apply to we understand generalities we can speak in group dynamics so
00:22:56.380margaret thatcher who i think there were some problems there but um but she may be an exception
00:23:01.960but on the whole are are women more susceptible to propaganda and manipulation than men on the
00:23:08.320whole on average and the answer is yes so it's not just that they on average bench less than men
00:23:14.280But it's actually even there are emotional, mental, physical, psychological, the distinctions go all the way down.
00:23:23.660And so, too, I believe that that applies within measure to race.
00:23:29.440Now, I do think it's important to note because the Bible says this, the distinctions or the emphasis, distinctions, racial egalitarianism is a lie and sexual egalitarianism is a lie.
00:23:41.000However, it's not insignificant that the Bible places far more emphasis on the distinctions between sex than it does race.
00:23:49.480And I think it's because those distinctions are both more important for our daily Christian lives.
00:24:02.040And so I want to go on record saying this.0.61
00:24:03.560I think there's a bigger difference, speaking in generalities, between men and women than there are whites and blacks.0.68
00:24:10.640I think that that's a bigger difference, but to say therefore that there's no difference between whites and blacks is, um, here's the thing.
00:24:19.000Um, number one, we're Christians and so we want to speak the truth. So one, it's not true to though, speaking, not just in principle, but in tactics, um, you are shooting yourself in the foot because, because the time where you could say that and get away with it, um, is, is rapidly coming to an end.
00:24:37.620see the reels that the zoomers are making on instagram you are not going to for a footnote0.82
00:24:44.140you are losing all your credibility they're not going to trust you and it's because you can only1.00
00:24:48.460say that you know water flows uphill for so long exactly before someone's going to show up and do
00:24:54.020the emperor has no clothes thing and say that's a naked guy over there though like his clothes
00:24:57.680there's no clothes on him the more absurd the claim and the closer it is to some fundamental
00:25:04.000creational reality that's obvious to anybody with eyes, the harder it's going to fall after it's
00:25:09.860managed to be propped up for some period of time. And it's going to fall hard. And you won't just
00:25:15.940get a reaction, by the way, you will get an overreaction. And that's coming. It's already
00:25:21.980here in many corners, but it's coming. I see. I tell people all the time and a lot of people,
00:25:25.720they don't get this because they just get the clips of Joel Webin or whatever, or a picture
00:25:30.620that i specifically told wesley todd not to take and then i specifically told calvin not to post
00:25:36.040on the internet the cigarette picture yeah you looked and i think we can all agree it wasn't
00:25:41.160cringe at all it was so it was really cool and everybody should post a cigarette picture of
00:25:46.840themselves right now because it's really cool the actual picture was cringe it was cringe but some
00:25:51.740of the ai pictures mocking us some of those actually went hard no like there was a backstreet
00:25:56.940boy one i was like it actually looked that i was like i wish we had taken that picture yeah we would
00:26:02.540have gotten less criticism you know what i mean but the actual picture was because it's at least
00:26:06.020self-conscious it's self-aware that it's cringe it made it look like you didn't think that was
00:26:10.760cringe exactly but you knew whether it's don't post whether it's the i did say that and they did
00:26:15.300they did not listen but whether it's the cringe pictures um which at the end of the day you know
00:26:20.720this bar leadership the buck stops here so i have to own it um so whether it's cringe master joel
00:26:25.600webbing with the pictures or the out of context, you know, clips or whatever it is. And there are
00:26:29.780plenty of cringe moments to go around. Um, a lot of people that's, that's their only introduction
00:26:35.520to Joel Webbing. That's really all they know. And, and, and so they probably have no clue what I'm
00:26:40.020about to say. One of my biggest fears, um, and I recognize, you know, be anxious for nothing,
00:26:45.820but with prayer and supplication make you. So I understand that anxiety, there is a sense in which
00:26:50.540that is a sin. But I say a fear, not, not in the innate sense of like, I don't trust the Lord or
00:26:57.360we're not going to make it. But, but I want to say fear because I'm trying to avoid the word
00:27:02.840concern. I don't want to say I have a concern. We'd bleep it out. Yeah. So one of my biggest
00:27:08.620fears is this. I'm not actually afraid that, that we lose, that the West, predominantly white1.00
00:27:16.660nations lose to liberalism i'm not afraid of that at all i'm actually convinced like in my bones
00:27:24.100um that we are going to have a right-wing insurgency like nothing that people can even
00:27:30.500predict that we are going to have a nationalist borderline fascist which will be less cringe the
00:27:38.400fascists were like one of the big things it was patriarchy another one was aesthetics right they
00:27:42.600wanted to lift the soul i think the kids called this aura yeah farming no dude the fascists were
00:27:48.260big motion yeah because they were like we they were very much against modernity and just eyesores
00:27:54.220public eyesores and things that are ugly like it needed to be beautiful it needed to be streamlined
00:27:59.160the aesthetic needed to be glorious it's magnificent all this i think that that's coming
00:28:03.900a hundred percent um i can't predict exactly when but i do think it'll be sooner than we think
00:28:09.620so i i think that the right wing wins i'm not convinced that in the west uh that christianity
00:28:15.520wins now i'm post-millennial um but i've gone through some uh some post-millennial upgrades
00:28:23.000like 1.0 2.0 3.0 and i know you guys have too like honest let's just be honest the way that
00:28:28.820we talked about our post-millennial hope three years ago is probably different than the way we
00:28:33.160would articulate it today right satan's little season i'm not saying i'm 100 on board but i would
00:28:38.100not scoff at that position the way that i once would have um it is possible and that falls within
00:28:43.440a psychological post-millennial framework that post-millennialism maybe actually was a literal
00:28:47.520millennial and maybe it happened it's what's called christendom and now camp of the saint style like
00:28:52.260we're gonna you know that's actually possible and i leave room for that within my post-millennial
00:28:56.940framework always believed that in my post-millennialism all right and and recently taught
00:29:02.060a sermon about this order of events and i actually believe that i i actually i'm i'm not saying i
00:29:10.020believe that that christendom and then we're in it now and that but i do believe that there will be
00:29:14.800i believe that yeah i think that's entirely um yeah absolutely you know what though i like that
00:29:22.300a lot better um one because i i actually think exegetically it's more viable but two i like that
00:29:28.700a lot better than what I think is the worst form of post-millennialism, which is functionally
00:29:34.500lends towards the same daily life practices as dispensational Zionism and dispensational0.86
00:29:39.820premillennialism, which is we win, but in 50,000 years. That post-millennialism can rock people to0.78
00:29:47.900sleep just as easily as Jesus is coming back next Thursday. And really this comes back to a point
00:29:54.300Stephen Wolf has made many times. And that's that your eschatology should not be driving
00:29:59.280your political engagement. It actually shouldn't be driving much of your day to day, how you live
00:30:05.500the Christian life. What it, what it changes is what I believe and hope the outcome to be
00:30:10.780because, and again, not because of what I observe day to day, but because I believe that the
00:30:16.420scriptures teach quite emphatically in the, this side of glory, victory of Christ. Like that's,
00:30:22.940That's the, that's the reason I'm post-millennial. It's in the Psalms.
00:30:26.300It's in the kingdom parables. It's throughout the scriptures. I'm like,
00:30:29.060that's why I believe it. So whenever the sun returns,
00:30:32.080when the son of man returns, will he find faith on the earth?
00:30:35.860It depends which parousia we're speaking of.
00:30:38.400If it's a spiritual return that happened, I view as a second coming, you know,
00:30:42.100in 80, 70, then the answer was very little.
00:30:45.060And he came on clouds that were not pretty and happy,
00:30:48.120but billows of smoke and judgment. And we know the story there.
00:30:51.320And then there is a sense in which there's a parousia, a coming of Christ every single time the Holy Spirit sovereignly converts a heart and all those things.
00:32:38.560I think the number one word that we are fighting right now for who gets to define this word is not just what is an American or, you know, this out of the other.
00:32:49.880The number one word that I think within 20 to 50 years time that people will look back and whoever wins today will define this word for those who live 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now is the word Christianity.
00:33:04.040i have to beat owen strand and getting to define what it means to be christian because if he wins
00:33:14.200the west i believe will be salvaged and saved and be glorious more prosperous more powerful
00:33:20.820than ever before but if owen strand wins that that battle on what it means to be christian
00:33:26.560then the west will will um they will conclude that christianity is actually a liability is
00:35:31.000and not just theoretically but its effects and they're saying i hate that there's something
00:35:36.120about that that is deeply wrong and not just wrong but evil so i'm going to oppose it and then they
00:35:42.120feel their way in the dark because they're ninevites they don't know their left hand from0.94
00:35:44.660their right hand they're wandering around and they're like well if if it's this then i'm going0.97
00:35:49.160to do that and they just say opposite whatever you get to make tau stuff and and and then there
00:35:54.640was this opportunity in a door where you see they're trying to answer the question what grounds
00:35:59.440all of these insights what is true okay if that's not if the predominant order is not truth if it's
00:36:05.280not light then what is and you can either turn at that juncture to darwinism and pick up artistry
00:36:11.460and hedonism and all these things or you can turn to something like christianity or you can turn
00:36:15.880there's other things too you could invent some kind of arcane philosophy and you're like the0.99
00:36:21.940bronze age pervert you're these other guys and they come up with some philosophy a jewish guy0.98
00:36:27.220running naked through the woods. Yeah. And maybe they, maybe they glean from a couples. They're1.00
00:36:32.080like, we're going to take Plato and paganism and cobble together our own thing. But there was this
00:36:36.500doorway where you could walk into the room as a Christian man who hated egalitarianism. And they,0.74
00:36:42.260they could agree. They're like, that guy hates egalitarianism. Let's give them a listen. Yeah.
00:36:46.200And then you could walk in and say that the God you worship is unknown. I know him. His name is
00:36:51.200God, the father. And that's what you've been looking for. And you did that. And that, and
00:36:54.620And a couple of us men walked in the room and tried to do that and said, we're not in everything you're into, but I'm going to try to leave a trail of breadcrumbs for you between the things you're seeing that are true, but then also a transcendental ground for the guys who did that with the red pill movement, just for the record, for listeners, you're trying to understand, Joel, what are you up to?
00:37:13.940And why are you hosting, you know, Alex Jones or, you know, that's what I'm trying to do with America first.
00:43:08.760And then they hear the police officers if they think that's true.
00:43:11.240And then they hear their pastor saying, you know, the most,0.96
00:43:14.200i mean i cannot emphasize this enough retarded explanations to try to prop up what is fundamentally0.93
00:43:21.000liberalism and obviously liberalism nations aren't propositional is a proposition itself0.88
00:43:26.160these these kinds of statements like i mean it's like it's you almost want to like rip your hair
00:43:33.440out it's like this is so you want to talk about right you think yeah yeah you think smoking a
00:43:38.680cigarette is cringe like it's a little cringe but i'm telling you dude yeah fast forward the tape
00:43:44.34010 20 years and people will look back on some of these things and they'll be like oh my gosh
00:43:50.120it will be embarrassing and and that's why a lot of them will scrub and they'll remove everything
00:43:54.940they can and they'll kind of do the you know i think josh howerton i was gonna say enough about
00:43:58.660josh howerton where oh george floyd sermon what george floyd sermon i know what you're i don't
00:44:02.100know what you're talking about preaching my church i've always never happened i've always been based
00:44:05.440But coming back to the race issue, I think it's important for people to understand that that is one of the fundamental reasons why we talk about it, why you talk about it, why it's politically, not just politically necessary, but it's necessary for the credibility of the Christian faith as a universally true system of belief.
00:44:29.080And even as a Christian, even as a minister, which the reality, I may not be a minister forever, because that's not the core of my identity. My identity is as a churchman, as a Christian. So I'm always going to love the local church and be a faithful member and all those things. I love my church. I love pastoring them. And I think that they would be really sad if I ever stepped down. And I want to be clear to any of them that are listening that I don't have any future plans or anything like that.
00:44:53.560But my point is I can perceive a future hypothetical, you know, existence of Joel Webin that doesn't involve me as a pastor.
00:45:03.880But so long as I am, which, you know, it could be two years, it could be 20, who knows.
00:45:09.500But so long as I am, Christians have to speak the truth, but ministers especially.
00:45:13.840And I think of the quote from Luther that says, wherever the battle rages, the fiercest, right?
00:45:18.480It's on that hill, on that front, that the soldier's true allegiance, his courage is tested, that if he fails, even on that one front, but if it be the place that's currently under the most attack, then he is denied.
00:45:38.460And so people say that, but what's the big deal?
00:45:41.040Even if you guys are right about race, it's not like I'm denying the Trinity, you know, or the gospel or double imputation or, you know, any of these kinds of things.
00:45:47.900the hypostatic union um yeah but but this is the thing that is under most attack right now
00:45:54.740and for christian ministers to avoid it or even to prop up the lie yeah which is far worse um when
00:46:03.200it is the the most attacked um fraught area is it i i i think that in a real way it is to compromise
00:46:14.260and to sin against your own soul and i i can't do it i won't do it and in one one thing it leaves
00:46:20.400open because the culture is going to change back mass culture is going to revert to some
00:46:26.360other version of its explanation of reality real quick on that and that that was my point in saying
00:46:32.720that one of my greatest fears is not that the west utterly falls and camp of the saints that
00:46:37.880kind of thing you know we're all surrounded by you know that could happen but i don't think that
00:46:41.880happens in the near term i actually think that we that we get our mojo back and i think that
00:46:46.960eventually there's enough pain to where you know the the frog still has a few nerve endings left
00:46:51.840and jumps out of the slowly boiling water and and has a reaction a response but it might not be
00:46:56.880christian but it may not be christian and and here's the thing for a while you know i really
00:47:02.680hopped into you know worship is warfare you know and um all of christ for all of life which i still
00:47:07.980believe all of christ for all of life but but just thinking that like that that that's enough
00:47:12.800and that that we win that way and not just that it's enough sufficient but um but even more than
00:47:18.540that like thinking that um that it was necessary for political civic life temporal life it's not
00:47:24.540i know there's sound people that oh my gosh i can't believe you're a pastor and you're saying
00:47:29.500this guys japan is less than two percent christian and they actually have a pretty good country
00:47:35.300You actually do not have to be a Christian country
00:47:37.700in order to look at God's book of nature
00:47:41.520because God wrote two books, not just one.
00:47:51.920and without, apart from George Whitefields
00:47:54.180and Jonathan Edwards and National Revivals,
00:47:57.140and have less than 2% of your population being Christian
00:48:00.160and simply choose in the natural category,
00:48:03.520temporal category to not go against the grain but rather go with it and you can be immensely0.64
00:48:09.280prosperous like when nick fuentes says uh jews control everything women need to shut up and0.81
00:48:14.560blacks need to be disproportionately put in prison here's the deal and he was like and we would live0.85
00:48:19.460in paradise now it's like well that's terrible he's uh notice what he didn't say uh christ and0.99
00:48:25.560him crucified actually guys um he's speaking temporally if temporally we said we're going
00:48:32.640to punish people regardless of skin color if they've actually done something criminal and we
00:48:37.940recognize that it's going to be racially disproportionate because we've seen the fbi
00:48:42.360statistics that are already massively skewed and even those are downplaying it because a bunch of
00:48:48.400people who are not white are being labeled as white we've seen all that data um if if we actually
00:48:54.060punish on a meritocracy and and right just true justice is blind not showing favoritism and we're
00:49:01.320okay with it being racially disproportionate because it is what it is. And we take women
00:49:05.720out of the public square and we get rid of the foreign entanglements and people, you know,1.00
00:49:10.860foreign interests ruling over us. And we also, while we're at it, we deport, you know,1.00
00:49:15.80050 million or a hundred million people. Guess what? We could abandon Christ and still do those
00:49:23.460things from simply God's book of nature, from natural law, general revelation, and we would
00:49:29.480be immensely prosperous people it's the mistake that people often make where they think that
00:49:35.060the way that you notice that satan is at work or there's demon worship happening is by people's
00:49:39.860head spinning around and there's overt occultism and things like that but you can absolutely
00:49:44.540have a society that is where demon worship is the norm that on the surface it is orderly yeah
00:49:53.440Because demons, they're OK with deceptions that that ultimately lose the soul of the person while maintaining some semblance of outward order.
00:50:06.920I've even used that exact clip in our church as an example of this conversation, the Nick Fuentes clip of someone who's like, it's it's wildly offensive to the liberalism of our day.
00:50:18.060but he's actually not, he's not only speaking to a handful of some of the most important
00:50:23.720political problems facing our day. He's speaking to them in an age when almost every Christian
00:50:29.920pastor in America is refusing to speak to any of them. Correct. What do you think that is going to0.99
00:50:35.420produce in the hearts of, of the next generations? Right. Who are they going to trust? The person
00:50:40.720that told them the hard truth when it was so costly that they were canceled and opposed by
00:50:45.340the entire world and still said, and by the way, did it at 125 pounds or whatever Nick
00:50:50.580Fuentes is, you know, stand in there, 125 pounds soaking wet, courageously withstanding
00:50:55.320all of the cancellation mechanisms the world can throw at him.
00:57:49.540but heterosexual because we want to look at this and we want to say the one thing that the you know
00:57:55.420the real war is against christians and by proxy it's against white people but that's because
00:58:00.620christianity christendom over the last thousand years has been predominantly in white european0.50
00:58:04.200nations in america but no no we got to be done with that guys there's a war in christianity and
00:58:10.240there's war on white people and they are not the same war these are two wars like a venn diagram
00:58:14.500there's a lot of overlap, but they are distinct and you have to see them that way. That flag
00:58:19.060does not actually disclude. It is not meant to disclude Christians because they're not worried
00:58:24.900about spiritual posterity. That's not their biggest. They actually want to biologically
00:58:29.820root us out. They want to genocide white people. So the one group of people that are discluded and1.00
00:58:36.600discriminated against is the one biological arrangement on God's green earth that produces0.94
00:58:41.740white children. And so here's the deal. When I look at the world today, and I think abortion,0.86
00:58:47.280if they can't kill you in the womb, then they're going to try to turn you gay. And if they can't0.99
00:58:50.820turn you gay, then they're going to, you know, you were able to avoid all that. You had conservative
00:58:55.800Christian parents, then they're going to sign you up for the military and make sure you go and bleed0.99
00:58:59.040out for sand demons in the Middle East, fighting a war for Israel. Like who goes and dies? Pete0.99
00:59:03.760Hexeth, I'm just going to say it. Pete Hexeth, who has on tape, you know, wanting to rebuild the
00:59:09.220third temple in israel at the end of the day i'm not saying this is his intention or his heart or
00:59:14.900his motives or anything like that he's probably a really nice guy and i know that he's a christian
00:59:18.640although i have some serious disagreements with some of his views but the point is like you you
00:59:24.380should know you should know we're going to war when um when they pick someone who's not a fat0.57
00:59:31.000lard to be the head of america's military what they're doing is they're they're saying all right0.69
00:59:35.860We did the DEI and the military long enough, and what we're doing now is it's time to recruit conservative Christian white straight men.0.56
00:59:43.240So let's give you an inspirational, strong, fit white Christian man with a crusader cross on his chest.0.60
00:59:47.940So through foreign wars that disproportionately kill white men, through all the propaganda of gay this and gay that and abortion, I understand that that's more disproportionate towards black children in the womb, but it still has killed millions and millions of white children.0.56
01:00:05.500You look at all these different things.0.61
01:00:06.980You look at the economy and getting rid of the middle class and shipping everything off overseas instead of the typical jobs, you know, your blue collar jobs that white men could get to afford a home and be able to afford to have a family.0.57
01:00:20.240And you look at feminism and the way that has fractured the family and future marriage.0.82
01:00:24.500And you look at the environmental thing, like stop having white babies, all these arguments, you know, that when you look at all that and then and then you're going to tell me.0.78
01:00:34.900That, yeah, I could see how all of that is ultimately to eradicate white people, but not the 75% of all commercials, television shows, and movies showing biracial, you know, whatever, romantic relationships.0.98
01:00:59.440That one, so we have to be able to speak in categories.
01:01:02.120That one in biblical terms is not inherently sinful, but in terms of its weaponization,
01:01:09.620its utility is being used just like abortion, being used just like foreign wars, being used0.95
01:01:15.960just like mass immigration to displace white people, being used just like LGBT. So is it just0.95
01:01:21.780like those things? No. I've said this so many times on our channel. Nobody cares. Nobody listens,
01:01:27.480But no, it's not the same. These other things, abortion is inherently wicked. Interracial marriage is not. It is biblically permissible. But the people who are pushing it from Hollywood, the people in academic institutions, in entertainment, in media institutions, they are using it to make sure that white people do not propagate.
01:01:49.320They want to make sure that we don't actually have white babies. And so you talk about, you know, courage is tested wherever the battle rages the fiercest. And so I want to be willing, and I did it on the PBD episode, and Patrick, but David, like, you know what, not zero, zero surprised, not surprised at all.0.70
01:02:11.680i go on patrick bet david uh reformed christians drag me over the coals for months
01:02:16.900for months over the interracial marriage topic um pat has me on the show brings it up
01:02:24.660asked me what i think by the way he's iran iranian married to a white woman yes and wasn't born here
01:02:32.500he's an immigrant who was fleeing islam he hates islam god bless um you know but he he flees here
01:02:37.740with his dad his dad's very wealthy and um patrick is worth 350 million dollars because he's smart0.70
01:02:43.760he earned it he worked really hard um but he's iranian he's a christian religiously um actually
01:02:49.600like uh presbyterian uh but he's a christian man and uh but he marries a white woman as an iranian
01:02:57.240immigrant he's brown and he asked me about the interracial marriage that directly affects him
01:03:02.320who do you think has a more mature response and more objectivity or patrick bat david patrick0.80
01:03:08.560bbd do you know how infuriating that is it's not surprising it what but here's the thing he brought
01:03:14.580up so i make my point i don't know i'm on the spot i don't know how he's going to respond and he had
01:03:19.100it prepared before he even came in he's like all right let's pull up the statistics and he reads
01:03:22.700through the divorce statistics for homogenous marriages racially speaking and then interracial
01:03:28.260marriages and he reads down the list hispanic married to white you know asian married to black
01:03:33.480like goes down the list and he says all right so i've done the math here on average um if you're
01:03:39.180in a racially homogenous marriage you have on average a 10 percent uh greater likelihood of
01:03:44.880the marriage not ending divorce joel sounds like you just want healthy marriages you know what i
01:03:51.180would give i would kill for a reformed minister of the gospel of jesus christ to have half of the0.82
01:03:56.940reasonableness that we are called in scripture to to be shown to all and then this iranian immigrant0.88
01:04:03.200who who can easily have pretended to be offended by your view and and misunderstand it and then0.96
01:04:08.540and this is the this is the craziest thing to me is that when you look at the agenda from just the
01:04:13.700top level like we're down in the weeds of how they're executing this agenda of anti-white
01:04:18.560hatred and anti-white self-hatred that the agenda is real is beyond dispute yeah it is beyond
01:04:26.660dispute because look at look at how television and media even ended up there by the way it wasn't
01:04:32.200because every single director and producer decided overnight that they were going to adopt a broadly
01:04:38.840anti-white many of them did many of them are huge libs but part of it is that part of it is that
01:04:44.680show them the incentive structures well what did they do with the awards shows do you want to be
01:04:49.640eligible to win an award for your television or movie that's why then you have to meet a certain0.98
01:04:54.720DEI quota you have to have a certain number of non-white actors in and you know what they have0.99
01:04:59.460to be in major roles and pretty soon they start aligning the the uh and none of them are about0.98
01:05:04.840making a great film right they're not about that at all they're so that's just one tiny little
01:05:10.840almost insignificant example compared to even some of the things like Jeremy Carl's book
01:05:15.180goes into with admissions and high in in colleges and medical schools and law schools and things
01:05:20.400like this. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. That this is happening is beyond,
01:05:26.580is indisputable. It's indisputable. So when people would pretend to be so offended and be
01:05:32.640far more offended that you would follow all of this data down and say, man, it seems like they're
01:05:38.240up to something nefarious with this thing. And let me nuance the heck out of it. And Joel Webb
01:05:43.560and nuancing the heck out of it in ways that many other people are not nuancing the heck out of it.
01:05:47.520Correct. And I didn't have to walk anything back either. I took my tweet where I, the first time I ever publicly voiced my position, which by the way, I came to this position slowly over the course of probably about three, three and a half years. Right. So I didn't just turn on a dime. Right. Right. But I, I gave it on, on X and I said, I believe that interracial marriage, comma, while being biblically permissible, comma, generally on the whole, not in
01:06:17.480Each, not in the micro, but in the macro generally goes against God's ordinary slash normative design for peoples, cultures, and nations.0.51
01:06:26.000And when I, the one thing that I would take back if I could is I wouldn't say normative because in philosophical terms, normative carries moral obligation and I'm not actually making a moral claim.
01:06:38.040So, but I am glad I said ordinary slash normative because what I really mean is ordinary.
01:06:45.920And we can say that that's true because it clearly God intends, it pleases God that at the eschaton, there will still be nations that are distinct.
01:06:55.840And that is impossible if that is not the normal pattern.
01:06:59.480If everyone intermarries here, if you get rid of diversity here on earth, then you will not be able to have diversity in heaven.
01:07:08.040Every tribe, tongue, and nation in unity surrounding the throne of the Lamb and worshiping him for all eternity, blacks, whites, Asians, everybody else, does not happen if we just conflate everything, if we have this melting pot soup in the meantime.0.86
01:07:25.860So it's a perfectly reasonable position.
01:07:28.120I'm not going into any isolated case and saying your marriage is not a legitimate marriage.0.98
01:07:33.360And once again, by the way, you are a lib compared to many, many, probably the majority of Christians who have ever lived.1.00
01:07:42.160So how much more does the modern liberal position on any of this stuff condemn, not only disagree with, but condemn as not Christians, as apostate heretics, the vast majority of our Christian forefathers and foremothers?0.80
01:07:58.800If we're honest with ourselves, it just does.0.70
01:08:00.240And even Teddy Roosevelt would say that like, so this isn't just 250 years ago, but in recent living American history, the idea that American was an ethnicity and not just in terms of culture, but also in terms of blood, it was an amalgamation of multiple European white nations being forged together in a furnace by way of providence, settling the West and these kinds of things.0.68
01:08:24.400And that over time with adversity, providentially, and with similar ingredients, right?
01:09:59.520I'm building a platform, trying to gain influence, regurgitating smarter and better men than myself to win my country so that my four daughters have a future.
01:10:08.200This is one of the things people say, what do you think about Joel Webin?