Ep. 1717 - Matt Walsh Reacts To The Trans Athlete SCOTUS Hearing
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After years of denying reality as it concerns everything from human biology to Donald Trump, the seams are starting to come loose for the left-wing political movement in this country. It s evident from one news story to another that reality is finally hitting these people in the face, and they re not taking it very well.
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only in theaters January 30th. Today on the Matt Walsh Show, the Supreme Court debates the great
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question of our time. What is a woman? Kataji Brown Jackson humiliates herself as usual and
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the children's YouTuber Miss Rachel is on a propaganda tour with Mom Donnie. That's just
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one of the many reasons why you shouldn't let your children watch her slop. We'll talk about all that
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If you know anything about cults, then you know that inevitably their denial of reality
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catches up with them in spectacular fashion. Heaven's Gate started out innocently enough back
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in the 1970s. The hippies were convinced that they'd eventually ascend on board an alien UFO
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and transform into immortal beings with godlike powers. Members eagerly signed up because after
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all there wasn't a whole lot of downside risk involved. In the worst case scenario, if the
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prophecy was wrong, your life would continue as normal. Maybe you'd have to leave your family
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for a bit, but otherwise no big deal. In the best case scenario, you become omnipotent. So it seems
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like a win-win. Now fast forward a few decades and Heaven's Gate changed the terms of the bargain
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a little bit. By the 90s, in order to get those godlike powers, you needed to take your own life.
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So it was a slight revision in the contractual arrangement. But a lot of Heaven's Gate members
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went along with it anyway. They had bought into the nonsense that they'd been fed. They were in too
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deep. They had sunk costs. They weren't about to turn back at the last minute as the Haley-Bopp
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comet approached. So they took the drugs, died, and that was that. The cult of Heaven's Gate was no more.
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Now at the risk of sounding a note of optimism on this show, we're now seeing a very similar trend
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play out in the Democrat Party. After years of denying reality as it concerns everything from
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human biology to DEI to Donald Trump, the seams are starting to come loose for the left-wing
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political movement in this country. It's evident from one news story to another that reality is
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finally hitting these people in the face, and they're not taking it very well. So consider,
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for example, this piece of video footage from the shooting of Renee Good. Most people missed
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this moment, which isn't surprising because there's so much footage of the shooting online,
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but Laura Powell noticed a very revealing comment from Good's lesbian friend right after the shooting.
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listen. She shouts, why did you have real bullets? So she genuinely cannot understand why federal law
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enforcement officers would load their weapons with actual ammunition. You will not find a clear window
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into the state of mind of these open borders agitators. They truly believe that they're
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playing a game. You know, it's all role-playing to them. From the dispatchers we talked about
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yesterday in the anti-ice signal chats to the legal monitors who are currently running around
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Minneapolis to document ice and prevent them from abducting, quote-unquote, random brown people.
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They desperately want to escape their uninteresting and depressing lives and reimagine themselves as like
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French resistance fighters circa 1942. All of their friends and social media networks and schools and
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employers have indulged this delusion. So they naturally expected that the federal government
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would do so as well. They seriously expect that when they drive their cars directly into law enforcement,
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officers will simply take the hit and get run over in order to keep the fantasy alive. Or if they shoot,
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they'll shoot, I don't know, super soakers, water guns. Now, if you were a Democrat political
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strategist and you weren't ideological, you simply wanted your party to win, this would be a major
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existential concern. We're not talking about one or two lone wolves or bad actors here. We're talking
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about a critical mass of Democrat voters who are deranged. They support attacking federal law enforcement,
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assassinating a conservative podcaster, taking shots at the president of the United States,
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mowing down an insurance executive, most recently gloating over the cancer-stricken body of a
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cartoonist who dared to say something negative about a demographic that's sacred to them.
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These are symptoms of a political movement that has lost touch with reality. And now, like all cults,
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they're losing touch with human decency as well. They're nearing their moment of ultimate
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self-destruction. And that became even clearer yesterday during oral arguments at the Supreme
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Court for two cases, Little v. Hecox and West Virginia v. BPJ. Now, for background, Hecox refers
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to a man who wanted to join the women's track and cross country teams at Boise State University in
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Idaho. And meanwhile, BPJ is a 15-year-old high school student, also a male, who's taking cross-sex
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hormones and other sterilizing medications who wants to join the girls' sports team at school.
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Now, both Hecox and BPJ were banned from joining the girls' team because of laws passed by their
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respective states, which prevent males from competing against females. In a moment, we'll talk in some
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detail about the legal issues that are involved here, but really, this was the highlight.
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More than three years after my film, What is a Woman?, the lead attorney for one of the trans-identifying
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athletes was asked a very basic fundamental question by Justice Alito. He wanted to know
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what it means to be a man or a woman, a boy or a girl. He wanted the attorney, a very highly educated
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individual, went to Harvard several times to provide some definition of biological sex so that
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we can distinguish between men and women. And this is and always will be, of course, the fatal
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question for trans ideology. It's a question they simply cannot answer. They've had
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years now to come up with some kind of answer. Years. But they haven't been able to. The entire
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movement hinges on the notion that a man is someone who says he's a man. A woman is someone who says
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she's a woman. There's no definition they can offer that isn't circular and therefore meaningless.
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And that's why the attorney is, you know, in an impossible situation that he's put himself in.
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And so we tried to punt on the question. Listen. If it does that, then is it not necessary for
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there to be, for equal protection purposes, if that is challenged under the Equal Protection Clause,
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an understanding of what it means to be a boy or a girl or a man or a woman?
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And what is that definition? For equal protection purposes, what does it mean to be a boy or a girl
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Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was,
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the policy, the law, we'd have to have an understanding of how the state or the government
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was understanding that term to figure out whether or not someone was excluded. We do not have a
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So let's put the transcript up on the screen so it's clear what was said. Quote,
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what does it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man or woman? And then after some stammering,
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the response from the Harvard-educated lawyer before the Supreme Court is,
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we do not have a definition for the court. That's the answer that the left's attorney gave
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in a case that's supposedly about how trans-identifying individuals are being discriminated
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against on the basis of their biological sex. Well, they can't define the words they're supposed
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to even be arguing about. So this is yet another Hindenburg moment for the modern left. It was
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just over a year ago that the ACLU admitted before the Supreme Court that there's no evidence
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that butchering and sterilizing children actually prevents suicides. In fact, as you'd expect,
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there's a lot of evidence to the contrary. And now, when asked point blank to define the concept
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of biological sex, the attorney for the trans-identifying plaintiff says simply, eh, pass.
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Now, in a casual debate among friends, this would be embarrassing enough.
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It's a concession that you've lost. But in an oral argument before the Supreme Court,
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it's something else entirely. The lawyer is saying that one of the most fundamental concepts in all
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of human biology, the distinction between sexes, is null and void. The entire concept of biological
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sex has no meaning. And if that's the case, if we're really supposed to disregard a category
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that's easily definable and pretend we can't define it at all, then, of course, nothing is real
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anymore. If chromosomes and human biology suddenly mean nothing at all, then
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nothing means anything. Then who's to say that ICE isn't the Gestapo, or that Charlie Kirk wasn't a
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Nazi, or that Scott Adams wasn't a racist who had it coming, or any of the other left's propositions?
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All of it is, who's to say they're wrong? As long as we're making everything up, there are no
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boundaries. The delusions can run rampant, and that's exactly what's happening for Democrats at a
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large scale. Take, for example, this moment that took place outside the Supreme Court. The Daily
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Wire interviewed a left-wing activist, and it went, you know, kind of how you would expect. Here's how
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Why are you splitting up sports? Like, I'm pretty sure a woman could play basketball as well as a man if she
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practiced. I'm pretty sure a woman could play basketball as well as a man if she practiced.
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That's all it takes. A little more practice. This is the mainstream view of the average leftist in
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2026. Yesterday, NPR ran a whole segment about studies that supposedly showed that men don't have a
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biological advantage over women in sports. You have to wonder why these people aren't outside the
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headquarters of the NBA and NFL right now, demanding that every team signs a female athlete, just like
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they have female referees now. It's not like the NBA and NFL are right-wing institutions. They'd
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be receptive to whatever the activists have to say, and it wouldn't be hard to make the change
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either. You could just incorporate the WNBA into the NBA overnight. How many games do you think
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they'd win? Maybe the better question is, how many fatalities would there be before the police had
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to shut down the entire league? Now, in fairness to the left-wing side of the argument, the ACLU made a
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slightly different case before the Supreme Court. This is a section from the ACLU's brief, which was flagged by
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The medical understanding of biological sex encompasses several biological attributes,
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including chromosomes, genes, gonads, hormone levels, internal and external genitalia,
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and other secondary sex characteristics. Transgender women may possess some of these
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biological attributes typical of women. The act's definition of biological sex excludes the key
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criterion circulating testosterone levels that would have allowed certain transgender women
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to play on women's sports. So, the ACLU is taking issue with Idaho's definition of biological sex,
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which includes three criteria, reproductive anatomy, genetic makeup, or normal endogenously produced
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testosterone levels. So, according to ACLU, anatomy and genetics aren't the key criterion.
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The really important metric, in their view, is the level of testosterone in your system. This is another
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way of arguing that sex has no real meaning because anyone can change it at any time. All you need to do is
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take some hormones and that's it. Now, at the moment, it doesn't look like the Supreme Court is going to
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side with the ACLU in this. The laws banning men from competing against women, laws that never should
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have been necessary in the first place in a sane society, will probably be upheld. And that means
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that contrary to what the ACLU is arguing, these bans don't violate the 14th Amendment or Title IX.
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Alas, there is no constitutional right for men to pummel women in every available sport. Who would have
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thought? But just to give you an idea of how absurd these arguments have been, at the lower
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court level, an appeals court in San Francisco ruled that the laws amounted to sex discrimination
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because, quote, athletes on girls' and women's sports, but not on boys' and men's teams, are subject
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to invasive sex verification procedures to implement the law. In other words, the schools were checking
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to make sure that no males were trying to sneak into the girls' team, but they weren't checking to
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ensure that females didn't try to sneak onto the men's team. And in the eyes of a federal appeals court
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in San Francisco, that amounted to unconstitutional sex discrimination. But really, it's common
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sense. I mean, obviously, you don't have to check to see if girls are sneaking their way
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onto the boys' team because the girls would have no incentive to do that. They would get
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absolutely demolished if they tried, and no team would want to pick them up. So even if you
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pretend that the female athlete could somehow pass as a male, which has never happened in human
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history, the fact that they'd be completely smoked on the field would be a pretty big clue.
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Now, separately, this is a line of argument from the left and the ACLU that if a particular
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male trans-identifying athlete can demonstrate that he specifically has no biological advantage
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over women, then he should be able to play with women, even though he's a male. So in other words,
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if a boy has been chemically castrated from a young age and destroyed his muscles and bone
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growth to the point that he can prove he's as weak as the average female athlete, then he should
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be allowed onto the girls' team. That's called an as-applied challenge to the Idaho law. This is
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how far the movement has sunk, by the way. You know, they're trying to argue in court that they
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should be considered females if they do enough irreversible damage to their bodies. According
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to this argument, a female is nothing but a severely diminished male. And that brings us to this clip of
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Ketanji Brown-Jackson, where she brings up as-applied challenges, and she does it as only Ketanji Brown-Jackson
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To the extent that you have an individual who says what is happening in this law is that it is
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treating someone who is transgender, but who does not have, because of the medical interventions and
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the things that have been done, who does not have the same threat to physical competition and safety and
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all of the reasons that the state puts forward, that's actually a different class, says this
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individual. So you're not treating the class the same, and you're not... how do you respond to that?
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In other words, the as-applied challenge essentially redefines the class, or one could think of it
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as that. And so what's wrong with that, number one, and how do you square that with our holdings in
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Kaban, which Lair later described in this way? In other words, Lair suggested that Kaban was
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establishing that as-applied challenges of this nature do exist.
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Certainly the... I'll take the second question first.
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Kaban says nothing about as-applied. I know that Lair says later this was an as-applied case,
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but simply reading Kaban, it does not say that.
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is treating someone transgender, but does not have, because of the medical interventions and
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the things that have been done, who does not have the same threat to physical competition and safety
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and all the reasons the state puts forward, it's actually a different class, says this individual.
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So you're not treating the class the same. How do you respond to that?
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The lawyer doesn't really respond to it because he has no idea what she's talking about.
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That's what he should have said. He should have said, uh, I, I don't respond. I don't,
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I have no clue what you're saying. Total gibberish.
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Ketanja Brown-Jackson is a perfect illustration of the black woman privilege we've discussed on the show this week.
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There's really no group in the country more privileged now than black women,
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because the most mediocre among them, black women who can barely read or speak,
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like Ketanja Brown-Jackson, are elevated to the most prestigious positions solely because they are black women.
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Ketanja Brown-Jackson is not qualified to be like a high school principal, let alone a Supreme Court justice.
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And for what it's worth, this wasn't the only word salad from Jackson during yesterday's argument.
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Here's another moment where she stumbled a bit as she tried to define what a woman is.
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You have the overarching classification, you know, everybody has to be, um, uh, uh, play on the team that is the same as their sex at birth.
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Um, but then you have a gender identity definition that is operating within that, meaning, a distinction,
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they can play consistent with their gender identity.
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So I think that, okay, you're, as to the part about your ability to pass over from boy to girl,
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where you can go from one way but not the other,
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I want to be clear that BPJ is not challenging that specific classification.
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But I think, if anything, that's useful evidence as to the lack of a transgender-based discrimination,
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because if the legislature were just sort of unsettled by the notion of transgender athletes,
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I think the answer would have been to then bar them from passing over me when you can see that with their gender.
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I guess I was getting at the, um, what I understood the Chief Justice to be trying to discuss,
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which was this notion that this is really just about the definition of, um, who we,
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we accept that you can accept, separate boys and girls,
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and we are now looking at the definition of a girl,
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and we're saying only people who were, um, girl assigned at birth qualify.
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Now, putting aside the nonsense at the beginning of that clip,
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which no one in the court could possibly comprehend,
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she's outraged that we're limiting our definition of girls to girls who were assigned female at birth.
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And first of all, of course, anyone using the phrase sex assigned at birth
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is someone who, as we know, should never be taken seriously for any reason,
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because for the millionth time, doctors don't assign your sex any more than they assign your height or your weight.
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They observe it, they record it, they don't give it to you.
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It can't be overemphasized enough that just 15 years ago,
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no one on the planet could have been confused about this.
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So these are all things that were invented yesterday for all practical purposes,
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and now we have Supreme Court justices parroting the lingo
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as if it's all completely logical and well-settled science,
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And some of the conservative justices did too, by the way.
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Amy Coney Barrett, the supposedly conservative female justice on the bench,
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kept referring to, quote, trans boys and, quote, trans girls.
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Now, if you're not in the throes of the reality distortion field of the left,
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then you immediately notice how these people stammer on nonsensically
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You realize right away that they're full of it.
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At the same time, they really think that they're onto something.
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With every high-profile meltdown like this, from Minnesota to Washington,
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Yesterday, the Supreme Court, the Daily Wire's team,
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noticed that the pro-reality side far outnumbered the trans activists.
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Although true-to-form, the trans activists were much more obnoxious.
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especially as we head into a very important election season.
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And then the cultists, the ones who are still alive and functional anyway,
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They'll forget all about how they pretended they were members of the French resistance
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in downtown Minneapolis and how men can transform instantly into women
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and how it's totally normal to drive your car to a federal law enforcement officer.
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But keep in mind, it was just a decade ago that CNN, of all places,
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They were bragging about getting exclusive access to immigration rates.
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This is a clip that the account called Maze just unearthed.
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immigration and customs enforcement agents fan out across Chicago
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CNN was granted exclusive access to witness some of those raids.
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So we got here and there was a lot of action almost immediately.
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We came in, saw the individual, we had eyes on our target.
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You know, he was able to come out of the business for us.
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At the same time, we also brought out his brother,
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who also is believed to be illegal in the United States.
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We were able to run him on our portable fingerprint scanner.
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He did have a hit with DHS, so he's been previously encountered,
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So we're going to take him to the office and verify what criminal history he has,
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the liberals at CNN were showing off the cool hardware
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So it's a perfect illustration of how fake and ephemeral all of this outrage is
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Leftists know that ICE isn't suddenly targeting brown people
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because of the color of their skin or kidnapping anyone.
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quote, for the first time in at least half a century,
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the U.S. experienced negative net migration in 2025.
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And they cite a study from Brookings, which states that,
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quote, we estimate net flows of negative 295,000 to negative 10,000 for the year.
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Continued negative net migration for 2026 is also likely.
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So for all the wailing and ice watching and domestic terrorism
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Meanwhile, as impotent leftists scream into the void,
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And with every viral meltdown from a leftist agitator
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and every word salad from the DEI justices on the Supreme Court,
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All right, we're going to have probably significantly abbreviated headlines today,
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having a bit of a Ketanji Brown-Jackson situation myself.
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Not because I have an IQ of 83, but because my voice is giving out.
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For the record, my IQ is at least like easily five points higher than that.
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Pramila Jayapal, congresswoman from, where is she from?
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Very upset by everything happening right now with ICE,
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The majority of Americans across the country, regardless of political party,
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know that immigrants from all over the world, Somalia, India, wherever they're from,
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Latin America, Africa, that immigrants have built this country
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Now, first of all, I think we can all agree, as you watch that video,
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we can all agree that as much as we might despise her political views,
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I have seen some really mean comments that I won't repeat.
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But there are people leaving comments about this video,
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And I'm not going to repeat it, I'm not going to condone it.
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well, she looks like she lives in a bell tower,
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it's like a Quasimodo type of thing, Quasimodo vibe.
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I'm not going to repeat that, I'm not going to say that,
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I'm not going to repeat that that's what they're saying.
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I don't agree with that, I think it's really wrong and mean.
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And I'm not going to stoop to the level of insulting someone's looks.
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The claim that she's making, though, I will say,
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but it bears repeating that it's extremely insane.
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And it's easy to lose sight of just how crazy it is.
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like, effectively zero immigrants in this country
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So, she listed Somalia, India, Latin America, and Africa.
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there would have been the most from probably Latin America.
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from Latin America in this country prior to 1965.
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Somalians didn't start coming here until, like, the 1990s.
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that people from these regions built the country.
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none of them have ever contributed meaningfully to the country
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Now, well, I am saying that about Somalia, actually.
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but they have not even contributed meaningfully to it
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But it's not necessarily true of every single person
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that is something that was done almost exclusively
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there's another point I want to make about this.
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which is what the left tries to do on every issue,
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they're making a kind of blood and soil argument.
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They're arguing that Somalians have a right to be here
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they worked and bled and sacrificed for this country.
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well, they have historical, ancestral ties to the land.
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but that's the kind of argument they're making.
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and you heard that argument from Pramila Jayapal,
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like what she's saying is totally false and ridiculous,
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that your ancestral ties to the land do matter,
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that actually Somalians have no ancestral ties to the country.
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that your ancestral historical ties to the land matter.
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Hey, the Somalians are deeply rooted in America.
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It's like, this is the argument you were making.
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It's like trying to wrestle a giant slug, you know?
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it's like trying to wrestle a giant slimy slug.
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I think we've talked about her a little bit in the past.
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And I think that's when we've talked about her in the past.
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and I'm definitely not going to sit my kids down