The Matt Walsh Show - February 26, 2026


Ep. 1741 - Debunking the Erika Kirk Conspiracy Theories


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

171.7112

Word Count

9,200

Sentence Count

592

Misogynist Sentences

34

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I still remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard about the massacre at Sandy Hook
00:00:04.660 almost 14 years ago. It was the second national tragedy in my lifetime after 9-11 that left an
00:00:11.380 indelible and permanent mark on the conscience, something you remember for the rest of your days.
00:00:17.260 Now, the two events are not the same in terms of their scale, severity, geopolitical importance,
00:00:21.820 or death toll, obviously, but they were so shocking, so morally outrageous that they
00:00:27.680 imprint themselves somewhere deep in your soul, like a kind of psychological impact crater.
00:00:34.200 I also remember just as vividly the conspiracy theories that almost immediately sprouted up
00:00:40.480 like weeds around the Sandy Hook shooting. Within days of the attack, if not hours, it had been
00:00:45.560 decided by legions of internet commenters and a few prominent right-wing personalities, Alex Jones
00:00:51.180 most famously, that the attack never actually happened. It was staged. It was a hoax. The
00:00:57.100 government had perpetrated an elaborate ruse, one that apparently involved hundreds of people,
00:01:02.340 including not just government officials, but members of the media and so on. The dead children
00:01:07.640 were not actually dead or maybe never existed. The grieving parents were frauds, crisis actors,
00:01:14.620 playing a role. Now, none of this was true, of course. There was no evidence to support any of it,
00:01:20.240 but many people apparently believed it anyway. They pointed to weird details surrounding the event,
00:01:26.500 and from those data points, if we can call them that, they constructed an entire cinematic universe.
00:01:33.920 The conspiracy theorists said that the initial reports out of the school were inconsistent and
00:01:38.580 contradictory. There was talk of a second shooter, but then it turned out that it was only one shooter.
00:01:43.680 They pointed to other things, like news articles about the shooting with timestamps appearing to show
00:01:47.780 that the articles were published before the event occurred. And most of all, most of all,
00:01:53.480 they pointed to the mannerisms of the parents. They circulated clips of the parents smiling or
00:01:58.920 appearing to chuckle or behaving in other ways that were deemed strange and inappropriate.
00:02:04.640 Now, rather than conclude that people respond to grief differently, especially when there are cameras
00:02:09.300 pointed at their faces, the theorists decided that an inappropriately timed smile must be evidence that
00:02:16.140 everything we think we know about the crime isn't true. And instead, their wild competing narrative,
00:02:21.920 for which there was no actual evidence, is true. In reality, there were reasonable explanations for
00:02:28.640 all of the weird details. Early reports out of mass casualty events are almost always inconsistent.
00:02:33.580 Reports of phantom second shooters are extremely common. Timestamps on news articles can be wrong.
00:02:40.560 And people who are grieving sometimes smile. Anyone who's ever been to a funeral knows that.
00:02:45.660 At any rate, even if these little tidbits were unexplained, even if we all agreed that they were
00:02:51.220 somehow bizarre and troubling, they still wouldn't prove the conspiracy theory. Indeed, if Sandy Hook
00:02:57.600 was all a highly coordinated government ruse, then why would they post news articles about it ahead of
00:03:04.060 time? Why would they put out inconsistent information? Why would their paid crisis actors be smiling?
00:03:11.440 As is often the case, the conspiracy theory makes less sense of these points than the so-called
00:03:18.100 official narrative does. The conspiracy theory does not do the single thing that a legitimate theory
00:03:24.640 is supposed to do, which is to make sense of the facts on the ground. It makes less sense of them.
00:03:31.320 It introduces even more unexplained and unexplainable variables. It takes a well-supported narrative
00:03:37.060 with maybe a few holes and replaces it with a new narrative that has 10,000 more holes.
00:03:44.600 Now, in the case of Sandy Hook, this wild and baseless theorizing was not just an academic exercise.
00:03:51.100 Real children actually died. Real parents were dealing with a trauma beyond comprehension.
00:03:58.500 And now, thanks to the Sandy Hook truthers, they found themselves cast as the villains of the story.
00:04:03.500 You know, it wasn't enough to suffer the worst tragedy of their lives. Now, they also had to deal with being
00:04:08.600 demonized and defamed for no good reason.
00:04:14.040 I bring all this up because it reminds me very much, to an almost eerie degree,
00:04:20.100 of the third national tragedy that impacted me and many millions of Americans so deeply
00:04:25.140 that we'll never forget where we were when we heard about it.
00:04:27.720 That would be the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:04:31.120 Just like Sandy Hook, Charlie's Kirk assassination has become the subject of wild and baseless conspiracy theories.
00:04:38.420 And just like Sandy Hook, one of the living victims of this tragedy, in this case, Erica Kirk,
00:04:45.440 has become, for no good reason, a target.
00:04:48.360 She's been demonized and defamed and on the exact same basis.
00:04:54.200 The Internet peanut gallery has decided that she smiles at inappropriate times.
00:04:59.180 She rubs them the wrong way. They don't like her vibes.
00:05:02.360 And for that reason, she must be the villain of the story rather than the victim.
00:05:07.660 Now, we're finding out that the Internet is like the Matrix.
00:05:12.100 It allows you to construct whatever reality you want for yourself.
00:05:15.620 That's how the trans craze took hold.
00:05:18.040 That's every weird subreddit full of bizarre perverts living out their fetishes
00:05:22.540 in the company of other perverts who share the same interests.
00:05:25.520 And it's what conspiracy theorists do.
00:05:28.080 They marinate in a selectively curated assortment of facts
00:05:31.400 that stitch together whatever story they're telling themselves.
00:05:34.400 The Earth is flat. Sandy Hook was staged.
00:05:36.940 Erica Kirk conspired with a half-dozen foreign intelligence agencies
00:05:39.840 to murder her husband and frame a gay furry, etc.
00:05:43.000 And this time around, the chief media personality promoting the alternative version of events
00:05:48.840 is, of course, Candace Owens.
00:05:51.880 Now, as you may remember a couple of months ago, I laid out the reasons why,
00:05:55.420 contrary to claims by Candace, it's clear that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.
00:06:01.300 To the extent there was any evidence of a potential conspiracy,
00:06:04.600 it involved the several trans activists who posted messages online
00:06:08.420 that appeared to indicate, at a minimum, that they may have had advanced knowledge of the assassination plot.
00:06:14.240 And, of course, there were the strange text messages between Robinson and his roommate,
00:06:17.540 in which Robinson stated that his roommate had seen him engraving bullets.
00:06:22.060 But there was no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Charlie Kirk's associates,
00:06:25.900 or Erica Kirk, or Turning Point USA, or the French government, or the Israeli government,
00:06:29.900 or the U.S. military, had anything to do with Charlie's murder.
00:06:35.280 Now, for months, Candace has stated otherwise.
00:06:37.400 In October, she wrote this message on X,
00:06:39.720 quote,
00:06:40.360 With all we've crowdsourced, it looks like a decision to murder Charlie Kirk in Utah
00:06:44.480 was made around July 18th.
00:06:46.660 A military meeting with foreign leaders took place on July 20th on U.S. soil.
00:06:50.820 The plane flew into Provo, direct from France, on September 4th,
00:06:54.120 and stayed until just after Charlie was assassinated, flying out to Wilmington on that day.
00:06:58.760 The plane returned home to Egypt the following day on September 11th.
00:07:03.600 In November, Candace provided the following update,
00:07:06.220 quote,
00:07:07.020 Urgent!
00:07:07.600 Two days ago, I was contacted by a high-ranking employee of the French government
00:07:10.740 after determining this person's position and proximity to the French couple.
00:07:14.360 I deemed the information they gave me to be credible enough to share publicly
00:07:17.480 in the event that something happens.
00:07:18.760 In short, this person claims that the Macrons have executed upon and paid for my assassination.
00:07:23.620 Yes, you read that correctly.
00:07:25.160 I'm told there is one Israeli that is on this assassination squad,
00:07:27.660 and the plans were formalized.
00:07:29.120 Again, this person provided concrete proof that they were well-placed
00:07:31.460 within the French government apparatus.
00:07:33.480 Further to this point, this person claims that Charlie Kirk's assassin
00:07:36.080 trained with the French Legion, 13th Brigade, with a multi-state involvement.
00:07:41.680 I have more specific information, which is definitively verifiable,
00:07:45.180 should they care to reach out to me.
00:07:46.960 That same month, she posted this message,
00:07:49.900 quote,
00:07:50.500 Today is going to be a big day.
00:07:51.600 Today, what we will present in the Charlie Kirk investigation is going to change everything.
00:07:55.620 That is not an exaggeration.
00:07:56.880 Nothing will be the same.
00:07:58.920 In December, Candace followed up with this message on Instagram,
00:08:01.380 quote,
00:08:01.880 It feels like today will be the day that the government can no longer deny it.
00:08:04.860 Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and our military was involved.
00:08:08.760 I can't wait to share this information with you guys today.
00:08:12.700 She also wrote the following on X,
00:08:15.460 quote,
00:08:15.740 I received information last night that put the final pieces together for me.
00:08:18.680 I can now say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA
00:08:22.680 and some of the very people who eulogized him on stage.
00:08:25.660 Yes, I'll be naming names, providing evidence for my claims.
00:08:28.460 You were lied to, and leadership knew.
00:08:31.700 Now, around the same time, Candace interviewed a guy named Mitch Snow,
00:08:34.700 who she says she was connected with via email,
00:08:37.400 and Mitch Snow claimed with 95% certainty
00:08:40.900 that he saw Charlie Kirk's head of security,
00:08:43.820 along with Erica Kirk,
00:08:45.020 at a military installation in Arizona
00:08:47.200 right before Charlie was murdered.
00:08:49.920 Watch.
00:08:51.540 Mitch, welcome to my podcast.
00:08:54.340 It's so great to have you here.
00:08:56.540 It's wonderful to be here, Candace.
00:08:58.100 How are you doing?
00:08:59.280 I'm doing very well.
00:09:00.320 I, uh, I obviously, you know, the story of how I instantly got the email from one of your friends
00:09:06.540 that just said, you should call Mitch after I prayed and said, I'm missing a piece of this.
00:09:10.940 Please, God, give me a piece of this story.
00:09:13.080 And the first email I see when I get back from church on a day of holy obligation is this email.
00:09:18.400 And so, Mitch, my audience is up to date on what happened to you when you were 20 years old.
00:09:25.400 And I'm wondering if you can just sort of briefly recap in case I got some things wrong.
00:09:29.520 Um, I obviously can't confirm that you saw who you say you saw.
00:09:34.060 If you had to put it at a percentage that you saw Brian Harpole, what percentage would you put it at?
00:09:40.640 95.
00:09:41.900 95%.
00:09:42.820 95 to 99.
00:09:44.460 I mean, I, when I saw him, you know, on the interview with the, with his face and gestures, um, I, yeah, with that photo.
00:09:57.820 So, it struck me in my gut.
00:10:02.940 Um, I blew it off until there was, you know, some other pictures that came up with other people.
00:10:14.620 Um.
00:10:15.100 What other people, other pictures?
00:10:19.580 Uh, if you want me to say, uh, there's a picture of Erica Kirk with a ponytail and, um, from, from her past.
00:10:28.980 Um, that person matches who I saw at Fort Huachuca in the lobby the night before.
00:10:36.340 And she was with that, with that man in the lobby.
00:10:40.200 And that man, he was present at that meeting.
00:10:44.360 Uh, the next morning.
00:10:45.800 Um, if you had to put it at a percentage that you saw that the girl in the ponytail matches the description of Erica Kirk, what percentage would you put that at?
00:10:58.920 Those are really rare eyes.
00:11:02.200 Um.
00:11:02.720 Um, that's 95 to 99 percent.
00:11:08.620 Now, that interview has nearly 3 million views.
00:11:11.520 And all the comments, uh, that are visible, every single one of them, treats the interview like a bombshell revelation.
00:11:17.700 Lord, have mercy, one person writes.
00:11:19.220 Nothing will be the same after this.
00:11:21.640 Now, Mitch Snow would later claim on social media that his father was the Zodiac Killer.
00:11:25.000 He would also present no corroborating evidence whatsoever for his claim.
00:11:29.640 The claim that, even taken at face value, makes no sense.
00:11:32.880 If Erica conspired with the U.S. military to kill her husband for reasons that have yet to be explained,
00:11:38.080 why should she be, why would she be meeting at a military base in person to discuss it?
00:11:43.360 I mean, that's not how assassinations actually work in real life.
00:11:45.900 And if all of the most powerful forces on Earth were engaged in this kind of plot,
00:11:50.400 it seems highly unlikely that they'd be so sloppy that some random guy named Mitch could blow the whole thing wide open
00:11:57.020 because he just so happened to be walking by at the exact right moment.
00:12:00.200 So this is a person who is obviously not credible, making wildly implausible claims for which he has no proof.
00:12:06.160 It's hard not to conclude that this is what's fueling most of the conspiracy theories.
00:12:11.760 Random people are sending in tips, making claims, and those tips and claims are taken at face value.
00:12:17.180 Now, the problem is that there are a lot of people feeding information to Candace or posting it online themselves
00:12:23.060 or sending it to other proponents of the conspiracy theory.
00:12:27.020 And there are a lot of reasons why they might be doing that.
00:12:30.560 One of the possible reasons is that they are sincere, sane, honest actors,
00:12:35.660 earnestly trying to help crack the case and find Charlie's real killer.
00:12:39.660 But that is just one possible explanation and by far not the most likely.
00:12:44.800 The other reasons why people might be sending tips to Candace or posting them online
00:12:49.140 or sending them to anybody else or whatever is that they're confused and deluded or they're trolls
00:12:55.240 or they have personal and political grudges that they're trying to settle.
00:13:00.400 Candace has said many times publicly that she has informants inside TPUSA.
00:13:05.040 Why might people inside TPUSA be supplying Candace with ammunition against their own organization?
00:13:09.920 Are these honest crusaders for the truth?
00:13:12.280 It's possible.
00:13:12.800 It's also extremely possible that these are people with personal grudges and professional ambitions
00:13:17.680 that they've decided are served by sending Candace after their rivals within the organization.
00:13:24.560 And on top of all this, there's the risk that foreign intelligence agencies are contributing to the maelstrom
00:13:30.140 by feeding bad information.
00:13:33.080 Now, certainly the temptation for a foreign intelligence agency to jump into the fray
00:13:36.480 and foment further divisions and chaos with bad intel must be very profound.
00:13:42.960 And if you think that shadowy foreign governments were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination,
00:13:46.360 despite there being no evidence to support such an idea,
00:13:48.960 consider the possibility that shadowy foreign governments could also be involved in creating
00:13:52.620 and fueling false theories about Charlie Kirk's assassination.
00:13:55.960 If you believe that they do the former, then you must believe that they could do the latter.
00:14:02.840 Now, the point here is that any evidence that is based entirely on unverified tips
00:14:08.240 and unverified claims from random sources cannot actually be taken on its own as evidence of anything.
00:14:13.840 There are just too many other potential reasons why these parties may be involving themselves.
00:14:19.700 But I've already explained in detail why I think Tyler Robinson did in fact kill Charlie Kirk,
00:14:25.920 not at the behest of TPUSA or any foreign government or our own government,
00:14:29.560 but instead moved by his own left-wing pro-trans radicalism.
00:14:34.860 Trans radicals are murdering people in this country constantly.
00:14:38.480 There is nothing at all surprising or implausible about the idea that they also killed Charlie Kirk.
00:14:44.020 Now, you can go back and watch that episode to hear that case laid out.
00:14:47.800 I hope you do if you haven't seen it.
00:14:50.300 Today, I want to focus instead on the increasingly aggressive and single-minded attacks on Erica Kirk specifically.
00:14:59.060 As you may have seen, last night, Candace debuted a new series called The Bride of Charlie,
00:15:04.860 which purports to tell us the sinister truth about Erica.
00:15:08.100 This, of course, didn't come out of nowhere for weeks.
00:15:10.080 Now, Candace has openly suggested that Erica may have committed a crime in connection with her husband's murder.
00:15:15.060 For example, here she was a couple of weeks ago stating that the police should detain Erica,
00:15:19.600 and subject her to interrogation.
00:15:21.980 Watch.
00:15:23.620 Look, I have seen enough, ladies and gentlemen.
00:15:27.180 I've seen enough.
00:15:28.320 Erica Kirk should be dragged into a police precinct for questioning.
00:15:31.880 Like I said, you can show me the person who disagrees with me on that.
00:15:35.880 After I will reveal to you what we can now confirm,
00:15:40.020 you can show me that individual, and I will show you a full-blown fraud.
00:15:45.200 That's the only people that would disagree with that assessment.
00:15:50.440 Well, but as we'll see, there isn't enough evidence to justify dragging her into a police precinct,
00:15:55.100 much less charging her with a crime, much less convicting her.
00:15:59.500 There isn't any evidence, actual positive evidence, that Erica has committed any crime,
00:16:04.040 or covered up any crime, or had any involvement in any crime,
00:16:08.460 to include especially the crime of murdering her husband.
00:16:11.880 And that's why, although the innuendos about Erica may be compelling fodder for YouTube videos,
00:16:16.280 they would not be compelling to a grand jury, or a prosecutor, or a judge.
00:16:20.780 If you took everything that's been said about Erica, or implied,
00:16:24.900 and tried to present it as evidence in a court of law,
00:16:28.440 you would be laughed out of the room.
00:16:31.260 There's no case here. There's no evidence of anything.
00:16:35.580 Now, these attacks on Erica by Candace and by everyone else engaged in this campaign
00:16:39.760 are wrong, deeply, desperately wrong.
00:16:44.820 Wrong morally and factually.
00:16:46.980 They are wrong morally because they are wrong factually.
00:16:52.900 The whole crux of the matter here is not just that Erica is a grieving widow,
00:16:58.020 but that she is innocent of the accusations that are being made or implied against her.
00:17:04.820 The point is not that, hey, Erica may have killed her husband,
00:17:07.620 or been involved in it, or covered it up,
00:17:09.220 but we should take it easy on her because she's a grieving widow.
00:17:13.140 The point is that Erica didn't do any of that.
00:17:15.580 There is no evidence that she did any of that.
00:17:19.020 No evidence at all, period.
00:17:21.500 Defaming anybody with untrue accusations is very bad,
00:17:24.820 but defaming a widow, the grieving wife of a man that we all say we loved and admired,
00:17:28.600 is unspeakably, horrifically bad.
00:17:33.460 Now, most of Candace's critics have responded to her latest episode
00:17:36.480 and every other episode over the past several months
00:17:38.820 by shouting angrily, calling her evil, and just leaving it at that.
00:17:45.060 And I understand why people are emotional.
00:17:48.100 But if there's any hope of saying anything that makes any kind of difference,
00:17:52.560 that actually succeeds in cutting through the noise
00:17:54.940 and persuading anyone to back away from these grandiose and baseless conjectures,
00:17:59.560 then it's going to require that we deal with the claims being made
00:18:03.660 and address them head-on.
00:18:06.280 Shouting insults at each other across the void will not actually accomplish anything.
00:18:10.820 It's cathartic.
00:18:11.740 It's not useful.
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00:19:47.200 So let's begin, then, with the first episode of Candace's new series,
00:19:52.680 Bride of Charlie.
00:19:54.360 At no point in this episode, which ran roughly an hour long,
00:19:58.120 did Candace present evidence of any misconduct by Erica Kirk,
00:20:01.520 much less evidence that she had any connection to Charlie's murder.
00:20:05.300 Instead, we were given a demonstration
00:20:06.980 as to why courtrooms have rules of evidence.
00:20:09.960 In particular, she demonstrated why evidence has to be relevant
00:20:12.620 before it's presented to a jury.
00:20:14.160 Otherwise, you get a barrage of irrelevant details,
00:20:16.940 all with vague insinuations of guilt
00:20:19.320 that don't actually mean anything.
00:20:22.060 For 50 minutes, Candace delved into the backstory of Erica's family,
00:20:25.300 pointing out that, for example,
00:20:26.380 some of them were involved in gambling.
00:20:28.600 There seems to be the vague suggestion
00:20:30.420 that these details are sinister,
00:20:32.020 but it was never explained why,
00:20:33.400 and even if they are.
00:20:35.200 Even if Erica comes from a weird family or a bad family,
00:20:38.600 and I have no reason to think that that's the case,
00:20:40.600 it wouldn't prove anything relevant about Erica herself.
00:20:44.820 You could tell me that Erica's mother was a serial killer,
00:20:47.420 and her father was a terrorist,
00:20:48.740 and it wouldn't move us one inch in the direction of proving
00:20:51.540 that Erica has done anything wrong
00:20:53.660 or been involved in her husband's murder in any way.
00:20:58.300 And Candace began the episode by reading a lengthy tweet
00:21:00.240 from somebody named Elizabeth Lane.
00:21:02.160 Lane says that Erica is a Hillary Clinton-type figure
00:21:05.820 who married Charlie in order to get ahead in life
00:21:08.320 until it all fell apart.
00:21:11.040 Watch.
00:21:12.800 Despite all that, the public remains unconvinced
00:21:15.380 that she is simply a grieving widow,
00:21:18.220 because she isn't simply a grieving widow.
00:21:19.560 She's also the CEO and chairman of an organization.
00:21:23.120 In fact, during our preparation for this series,
00:21:26.520 an investigative journalist named Elizabeth Lane
00:21:29.460 went viral on X,
00:21:31.060 because what she authored about Erica was brilliant.
00:21:34.280 It just was objectively brilliant.
00:21:36.060 It gave voice to what millions of people worldwide were feeling,
00:21:39.780 but didn't exactly know how to express.
00:21:41.620 And I'm going to read you her words in their entirety,
00:21:44.520 because I think it's very important, okay?
00:21:46.540 In my head, the story goes like this.
00:21:48.460 For a moment, it works.
00:21:49.720 She becomes the wife of a rising political figure
00:21:51.820 with access to donors, institutions, and national platforms.
00:21:54.960 At that point, the ceiling isn't social media influence.
00:21:57.900 It's empire building, foundations, global reach,
00:22:00.780 a legacy, a brand, the Kirks.
00:22:03.040 It's obvious that Charlie listens to her,
00:22:04.880 whether it's about donors or the trajectory
00:22:06.600 of Turning Point USA.
00:22:07.900 The most influential figure in any mentally healthy man's life
00:22:11.440 is going to be his wife.
00:22:13.160 She's going to be the biggest influence,
00:22:14.500 and that is just how it is.
00:22:15.940 That is why you need to pick your partner wisely.
00:22:18.580 And everything was going well until Charlie
00:22:20.160 began making decisions based on conscience
00:22:22.320 rather than expansion in money.
00:22:24.440 He turns down money.
00:22:25.720 He refuses to play dirty politics.
00:22:27.720 I am assuming someone like Erica,
00:22:29.480 who married into this because she had a vision
00:22:31.440 for this brand would not be very happy about that.
00:22:34.200 The life she appears to have signed up for,
00:22:36.700 the power couple, expanding influence,
00:22:38.400 historical relevance,
00:22:39.700 was collapsing into something else entirely.
00:22:42.940 Domesticity, housewife, kids,
00:22:44.640 and now Charlie refusing to accept the money
00:22:46.860 that can make him a global power.
00:22:48.760 A supporting role instead of center stage
00:22:50.380 is not her thing.
00:22:53.420 Now this tweet, which goes on at great length,
00:22:57.240 has something like 10 million views,
00:22:59.120 and Candace obviously thinks it's compelling
00:23:00.880 as a way of suggesting that Erica
00:23:02.200 had some motive to be unhappy with Charlie
00:23:04.540 and to want to replace him.
00:23:06.960 Quote,
00:23:07.420 the life she appears to have signed up for,
00:23:09.020 power couple, expanding influence,
00:23:10.520 historical relevance,
00:23:11.680 was collapsing into something else entirely.
00:23:15.300 Now this is not how Charlie would describe himself
00:23:17.600 because he was modest,
00:23:18.960 but if Charlie and Erica
00:23:20.280 were not a political power couple
00:23:22.700 at the time of his death,
00:23:24.800 then no couple qualifies as a power couple.
00:23:28.820 Charlie was one of the top three outside advisors
00:23:31.140 with a direct line to the president.
00:23:32.700 He hosted pretty much all of the president's events
00:23:34.760 from Butler to the election,
00:23:36.620 obviously played a major role in Trump's victory.
00:23:39.480 He could influence legislation and executive action
00:23:41.320 with a phone call.
00:23:42.880 And based on the massive receptions
00:23:44.460 he was getting on college campuses
00:23:45.560 and his fundraising efforts,
00:23:47.280 Charlie was a legitimate contender
00:23:49.020 to be the president of the United States one day,
00:23:51.420 probably sooner than most people think.
00:23:53.000 Now the idea that Erica saw all of this
00:23:56.140 and concluded that her allegedly selfish dreams
00:24:00.360 of being famous and important
00:24:02.020 were slipping away
00:24:03.120 is complete nonsense.
00:24:06.720 But even if you accept the premise
00:24:08.840 that this Elizabeth Lane character
00:24:10.320 has the mind-reading ability
00:24:11.640 she apparently ascribes to herself,
00:24:13.560 still this would not constitute evidence of anything.
00:24:16.500 Let's say that Erica is a psychotic social climber
00:24:21.200 interested only in fame and fortune.
00:24:23.580 She's not.
00:24:24.840 I work in media.
00:24:25.940 I know a lot of people like that.
00:24:27.580 She's not one of them.
00:24:28.460 But even if she were,
00:24:30.960 so what?
00:24:31.920 Imagine calling the police
00:24:34.380 with this bit of evidence.
00:24:36.720 Imagine telling them
00:24:37.600 that they need to come
00:24:38.360 and arrest Erica Kirk right away
00:24:39.840 in connection with the murder of her husband.
00:24:41.240 Why?
00:24:41.880 Well, because it seems like
00:24:42.800 she's a really shallow
00:24:43.740 and superficial person.
00:24:46.400 What police department
00:24:47.560 on the face of the planet
00:24:49.040 would send the squad cars over
00:24:51.160 to Erica's house
00:24:51.920 and frog march her
00:24:52.860 and leg irons
00:24:53.540 in front of the cameras
00:24:54.240 on that basis?
00:24:57.440 Well, let's continue
00:24:58.300 and see if we're presented
00:24:59.120 with anything
00:24:59.920 that could be considered
00:25:01.280 a reasonably probable cause.
00:25:03.920 Watch.
00:25:04.740 So they decided to get married
00:25:05.920 on Erica's,
00:25:06.620 what would have been Erica's
00:25:07.360 seventh birthday?
00:25:08.300 Okay, that's strange.
00:25:09.540 I mean, at least the birthday
00:25:10.420 she says she has,
00:25:11.840 but this document is saying,
00:25:13.000 no, she's born two days later,
00:25:13.900 so I guess it wasn't
00:25:14.640 her seventh birthday.
00:25:16.360 Attached to this document,
00:25:17.920 which was filed
00:25:19.540 on July 20th, 1998,
00:25:21.660 is another document
00:25:22.620 that I can only assume
00:25:24.560 was scanned in
00:25:25.740 with an intention
00:25:26.720 to further confuse people.
00:25:28.920 It's a separation agreement,
00:25:30.380 which is not notarized,
00:25:32.160 it's not dated,
00:25:33.380 so it's almost not relevant,
00:25:36.060 and it completely edits
00:25:38.020 the date of the marriage
00:25:39.220 between Kent and Lori
00:25:40.540 from November 20th, 1995
00:25:43.080 down to November 7th, 1982.
00:25:47.020 A casual 13 years
00:25:49.040 and 13 days wiped out, okay?
00:25:52.200 Like I said,
00:25:52.760 you can just ignore that
00:25:53.360 because I think that document
00:25:54.040 was just put in there
00:25:54.820 to confuse people.
00:25:56.320 Take it from me,
00:25:56.940 I'm a notary,
00:25:57.620 one in the state of New York,
00:25:59.620 although my license is expired.
00:26:01.200 You can't just skip over
00:26:02.320 a notary portion of a document
00:26:03.840 and just be fine with that.
00:26:06.400 I do want to note
00:26:07.020 that this was the fastest divorce
00:26:08.580 in the history of divorce
00:26:09.500 because she filed
00:26:10.400 on July 20th, 1998,
00:26:12.240 and then we have a decree
00:26:14.260 on November 10th
00:26:16.120 of the same year,
00:26:17.320 so this is like
00:26:17.920 three months later.
00:26:19.480 Once again,
00:26:20.180 the marriage date is listed,
00:26:22.200 the initial marriage date
00:26:22.940 between Kent and Lori
00:26:23.640 as November 20th, 1995
00:26:25.480 in Marblehead, Massachusetts.
00:26:27.280 But oddly,
00:26:28.480 you can see that
00:26:29.900 somebody just went in
00:26:31.000 and tried to edit that date
00:26:32.880 by hand afterward,
00:26:36.180 adjusting the wedding date
00:26:37.420 down this time to 1985,
00:26:39.980 not 1982,
00:26:41.400 hoping, I guess,
00:26:42.040 that no one would catch that.
00:26:44.020 I guess the unnotarized 1982
00:26:46.380 that we saw in the initial filing
00:26:48.360 was too difficult.
00:26:51.140 It would have been too obvious.
00:26:51.980 So this time,
00:26:52.600 they're attempting to do it by hand
00:26:54.180 and edit the date of marriage
00:26:55.580 back just 10 years,
00:26:56.720 not 13 years.
00:26:58.580 This is not subtle.
00:26:59.680 It is not normal
00:27:00.300 and it bothers me greatly.
00:27:01.900 Take it from someone
00:27:02.660 who is chronically being sued.
00:27:04.900 That is not how modifications work
00:27:07.840 on court documents.
00:27:09.040 You can't just use a pen
00:27:10.540 and write something
00:27:11.120 on a divorce decree.
00:27:12.020 You can't.
00:27:12.480 You just can't do that.
00:27:13.760 People have to initial.
00:27:15.520 You got a date.
00:27:16.500 You got to see who saw it.
00:27:17.640 This is crazy to me.
00:27:19.940 My suspicion,
00:27:20.820 and again,
00:27:21.120 this is just a general suspicion,
00:27:22.340 is that this was done
00:27:24.300 after the fact.
00:27:25.360 Maybe someone had a friend
00:27:26.540 down at the county clerk.
00:27:30.740 Now,
00:27:31.340 none of this leads anywhere.
00:27:32.960 She finds a couple
00:27:33.560 of clerical errors
00:27:34.480 on a divorce filing
00:27:35.420 involving Erica Kirk's parents,
00:27:36.880 including Erica's birth date,
00:27:38.220 and from that,
00:27:39.000 we're supposed to conclude
00:27:40.040 what exactly?
00:27:43.000 Notice the way
00:27:43.660 the information was framed.
00:27:44.900 You're led to believe
00:27:45.660 that random divorce filings
00:27:47.160 and random courthouses
00:27:48.160 are always perfectly correct
00:27:49.780 and never modified
00:27:50.660 in this fashion,
00:27:51.920 but there's no proof of that.
00:27:55.260 Now,
00:27:55.700 if she wanted to,
00:27:56.280 she could have had
00:27:56.740 some kind of local expert
00:27:58.000 come on and give his impression
00:27:59.520 of these documents.
00:28:01.080 Somebody objective
00:28:01.880 doesn't have a sort of
00:28:03.420 a dog in the fight
00:28:04.140 and talk about
00:28:05.700 what they might mean,
00:28:06.480 but that doesn't happen,
00:28:07.340 and if it did,
00:28:08.020 she'd likely be told
00:28:08.720 that clerical errors
00:28:09.580 are not unusual at all.
00:28:12.560 Instead,
00:28:12.980 Candace simply states
00:28:13.720 that it is unusual
00:28:14.580 and that you should draw
00:28:15.440 some unknown conclusion
00:28:17.680 from that information.
00:28:18.720 Again,
00:28:19.660 this is why
00:28:20.240 in the legal system,
00:28:21.680 irrelevant evidence
00:28:22.580 is not introduced.
00:28:24.120 It's not simply
00:28:25.040 a way to save time.
00:28:26.740 I mean,
00:28:26.880 the main reason
00:28:27.440 that we exclude
00:28:28.140 irrelevant evidence
00:28:28.920 is that when you present
00:28:30.360 a mountain of evidence,
00:28:31.500 people in general
00:28:32.300 want to believe
00:28:33.680 that it leads somewhere.
00:28:36.580 They don't want to stop
00:28:37.500 and ask the question,
00:28:38.460 hey,
00:28:38.760 what's the point of this?
00:28:40.140 What does this have to do
00:28:41.120 with anything?
00:28:42.360 Instead,
00:28:42.780 they assume
00:28:43.340 that the lawyers
00:28:44.160 and the more knowledgeable
00:28:45.020 people in the courtroom
00:28:45.820 are introducing the evidence
00:28:47.160 for a reason.
00:28:47.780 It must prove guilt
00:28:48.700 in some way,
00:28:49.400 even if it's hard
00:28:49.920 to see how.
00:28:51.060 People draw inferences
00:28:52.240 that aren't actually
00:28:53.900 supported by the facts.
00:28:54.940 So to prevent that
00:28:55.580 from happening,
00:28:56.200 irrelevant evidence
00:28:56.840 is not allowed.
00:28:58.660 Unflattering
00:28:59.060 but irrelevant details
00:29:00.500 about a suspect
00:29:01.180 would be considered
00:29:03.420 prejudicial
00:29:04.140 because it prejudices
00:29:05.260 the jury
00:29:05.900 against the suspect,
00:29:07.260 giving them
00:29:07.600 a negative impression,
00:29:08.760 which makes them
00:29:09.420 more likely to convict
00:29:10.380 even if there's
00:29:11.060 insufficient evidence
00:29:11.840 of the crime
00:29:12.380 the suspect
00:29:12.720 is accused of committing.
00:29:13.620 And that's what
00:29:15.520 a lot of this stuff is.
00:29:16.540 It's prejudicing
00:29:17.380 the jury.
00:29:18.140 In this case,
00:29:18.620 the jury in the court
00:29:19.500 of public opinion
00:29:21.040 against Erica
00:29:22.720 even without proving
00:29:23.720 that she committed
00:29:24.340 the crime
00:29:24.900 that she is,
00:29:25.580 by insinuation at least,
00:29:27.100 being accused of.
00:29:29.520 There's a lot of other
00:29:30.480 irrelevant evidence.
00:29:31.700 Here's another example.
00:29:35.400 Carl Kenneth Franzfey
00:29:36.620 Franzfey is Erica's
00:29:38.520 paternal grandfather.
00:29:41.140 Okay?
00:29:41.340 He participated
00:29:42.000 extensively in horse racing.
00:29:44.060 More crucially,
00:29:45.240 though,
00:29:45.540 he was an executive
00:29:46.560 at the American Bank
00:29:48.520 Note Company
00:29:49.220 in Illinois.
00:29:50.160 This is the company
00:29:51.100 that was responsible
00:29:51.860 for printing lottery tickets.
00:29:53.900 It's a big contract,
00:29:55.040 a big deal.
00:29:56.000 Here he is
00:29:56.760 in a newspaper
00:29:57.360 in 1974
00:29:58.320 doing just that.
00:30:00.200 It reads,
00:30:00.840 printing began this week
00:30:01.940 on the first
00:30:02.540 Illinois state lottery tickets.
00:30:05.140 Up to 10,000 agents
00:30:06.480 it tells us
00:30:07.000 at the bottom there
00:30:07.580 that Kent Franzfey
00:30:08.360 of the American
00:30:08.920 Bank Note Company,
00:30:10.180 the printer,
00:30:11.380 examines the first tickets
00:30:12.680 of the initial press run.
00:30:15.580 Let's stick with
00:30:16.700 Grandpa Carl Kenneth Franzfey
00:30:18.620 for a little bit
00:30:19.240 because he is,
00:30:20.680 by all accounts,
00:30:21.480 obviously Swedish.
00:30:22.820 Erica herself
00:30:23.520 is therefore
00:30:24.240 Syrian Lebanese
00:30:25.720 on her mother's side
00:30:26.820 and Swedish
00:30:28.040 on her father's side.
00:30:30.080 So something
00:30:30.480 which struck me
00:30:31.240 as immediately odd
00:30:32.340 about Erica
00:30:32.960 is just how deeply
00:30:35.040 she identifies
00:30:36.100 as Swedish
00:30:37.020 despite her public
00:30:38.760 insistence
00:30:39.360 that she was raised
00:30:40.120 by a quote-unquote
00:30:41.040 single mother.
00:30:42.680 Think about that
00:30:43.580 just from a social perspective.
00:30:45.320 If Erica was indeed
00:30:46.440 raised by a single mother,
00:30:48.860 wouldn't you expect her
00:30:49.560 to identify more deeply
00:30:50.780 with those Lebanese
00:30:52.120 Syrian roots,
00:30:53.640 right?
00:30:53.960 You might even
00:30:54.480 understand it
00:30:56.120 if she resented
00:30:57.180 her Swedish roots
00:30:58.140 like my dad
00:30:58.660 didn't do anything.
00:30:59.740 Now I'm paraphrasing,
00:31:00.740 but they said,
00:31:01.140 Candice,
00:31:02.400 Erica is referring
00:31:04.140 to her grandfather
00:31:05.700 as her more far.
00:31:07.360 I was like,
00:31:08.020 okay,
00:31:08.320 so I looked it up.
00:31:09.400 It means grandfather
00:31:10.320 in Swedish.
00:31:10.820 Like she's,
00:31:11.460 maybe she doesn't,
00:31:12.060 you know,
00:31:12.260 but she,
00:31:12.660 it's cute.
00:31:13.400 Okay.
00:31:14.200 Maybe she's not fluent,
00:31:15.180 but she's cute.
00:31:16.120 And then they explained
00:31:17.060 it to me a little further.
00:31:17.800 They said,
00:31:18.040 no,
00:31:18.480 Candice,
00:31:19.480 the Swedish language
00:31:20.320 is quite literal here.
00:31:21.900 More far quite literally
00:31:23.400 translates into
00:31:25.140 mother's father.
00:31:27.400 More far.
00:31:28.820 And far far quite literally
00:31:30.760 translates into
00:31:31.820 father's father.
00:31:32.720 We have different words
00:31:33.780 for these things.
00:31:34.720 These have entirely
00:31:35.880 different meanings.
00:31:36.760 You would never call
00:31:37.720 your father's mother
00:31:39.860 your more far.
00:31:41.760 You would never call,
00:31:42.300 that's what she's doing.
00:31:42.800 She's calling him
00:31:43.380 her more far.
00:31:44.380 Here's a true timeline.
00:31:46.100 Erica was in Cincinnati,
00:31:48.140 Ohio for daycare in 1992.
00:31:50.000 She attended a place
00:31:51.140 called Walnut Corner
00:31:53.020 Children's Center
00:31:54.100 in Cincinnati,
00:31:54.860 Ohio,
00:31:55.520 located inside of a massive
00:31:57.600 corporate building.
00:31:59.100 Oddly,
00:31:59.420 the filing for
00:32:00.520 that daycare
00:32:01.940 doesn't have a floor number,
00:32:03.480 but I can show you
00:32:04.800 this photo of her
00:32:05.820 at daycare.
00:32:08.360 LOL,
00:32:08.820 by the way,
00:32:09.160 to her being dressed
00:32:09.780 as a little bee
00:32:10.380 and accidentally throwing up
00:32:11.540 some Freemason hand signs.
00:32:12.800 That's just like a nice,
00:32:13.640 nice ad.
00:32:14.420 She looks adorable.
00:32:17.960 Now,
00:32:18.480 the problem is that
00:32:19.600 you could do this
00:32:20.520 to anyone.
00:32:22.380 You could relentlessly
00:32:23.620 dig up old photos
00:32:24.800 and social media posts
00:32:25.980 and legal documents
00:32:26.960 and find minor
00:32:28.100 inconsistencies
00:32:28.840 that have no relevance
00:32:29.620 to anything
00:32:30.080 and present them
00:32:30.720 as a part of
00:32:31.620 a nefarious plot.
00:32:32.920 You could dig
00:32:33.260 into anybody's life
00:32:34.100 and find embarrassing
00:32:34.920 things,
00:32:35.500 weird things,
00:32:36.280 inconsistent things.
00:32:37.600 You could dig
00:32:38.180 into anybody's family
00:32:39.140 and find all kinds
00:32:40.180 of weirdness.
00:32:42.100 Find me a person
00:32:42.740 who claims to not
00:32:43.600 have a weird family
00:32:44.500 and I'll show you
00:32:45.100 a person who apparently
00:32:46.020 doesn't know their family
00:32:47.080 very well
00:32:47.620 or more likely is lying.
00:32:49.420 But again,
00:32:49.780 this is all innuendo.
00:32:50.820 It doesn't prove anything.
00:32:51.680 It's not evidence
00:32:52.440 of anything.
00:32:54.380 Now,
00:32:54.840 to be fair,
00:32:55.180 in recent episodes
00:32:55.800 of her show,
00:32:56.300 Candace has relied
00:32:56.960 less on innuendo
00:32:57.740 and more on
00:32:58.840 direct accusations.
00:33:00.360 Her series about Erica
00:33:01.120 is ongoing.
00:33:02.640 Some of the stuff
00:33:03.260 from her previous episodes
00:33:04.980 might give us a clue
00:33:06.100 as to where
00:33:06.620 the current series
00:33:07.800 is headed.
00:33:08.380 So,
00:33:09.340 let's take a look.
00:33:12.220 I want you to listen
00:33:13.320 to this now
00:33:14.180 with new ears
00:33:15.620 in retrospect.
00:33:16.760 And if you see a clue,
00:33:18.920 I want you guys
00:33:19.320 to shout out
00:33:19.680 the screen.
00:33:21.080 Say,
00:33:21.300 a clue,
00:33:21.800 a clue.
00:33:23.120 Let's listen.
00:33:24.640 For him,
00:33:25.600 that night,
00:33:26.300 he was so excited.
00:33:28.120 I mean,
00:33:28.360 he just was like,
00:33:29.060 I can't wait.
00:33:29.540 It's going to be the best.
00:33:30.880 And he got up
00:33:31.420 around 2,
00:33:32.140 45,
00:33:32.620 3-ish
00:33:33.140 to go into the kitchen
00:33:34.540 to grab a snack.
00:33:35.660 And our daughter
00:33:36.460 had woke up
00:33:37.120 around that same time.
00:33:38.960 We live in a small space
00:33:40.120 so you can kind of hear
00:33:40.780 when everyone's
00:33:41.280 kind of shuffling around.
00:33:42.560 And so she came
00:33:43.040 to our room
00:33:43.540 and she stayed
00:33:45.540 in our bed.
00:33:47.220 And he always loved
00:33:48.200 when Gigi slept
00:33:48.900 in our bed
00:33:49.380 because she's,
00:33:50.220 you know,
00:33:50.500 little ones,
00:33:51.280 they like curl up
00:33:51.980 inside of you
00:33:52.680 and like they're just
00:33:53.520 nuzzled in.
00:33:55.460 But she,
00:33:56.500 you also know
00:33:57.380 that it can be
00:33:57.900 very acrobatic
00:33:58.620 when a three-year-old
00:33:59.600 is in your bed
00:34:00.260 and somehow their feet
00:34:01.540 end up on your face.
00:34:02.680 So I said,
00:34:03.340 I want you to have
00:34:03.820 a good night's sleep.
00:34:04.700 Go ahead and sleep
00:34:05.280 in her room.
00:34:06.860 And I'll turn the air down
00:34:07.960 so it's nice and cozy
00:34:09.200 in there.
00:34:09.780 And I just want you
00:34:11.080 to get a good night's sleep
00:34:11.900 so you can be amazing
00:34:13.200 tomorrow.
00:34:14.620 And so Gigi and I
00:34:15.820 stayed in our room
00:34:16.540 and that morning
00:34:17.640 he woke up super early
00:34:18.640 and he came into
00:34:19.600 our bedroom,
00:34:21.480 into the bathroom
00:34:22.420 because that's where
00:34:22.920 his wedding ring was
00:34:23.920 and his necklace.
00:34:24.960 And he came in
00:34:25.460 and he grabbed that
00:34:26.240 and then he left.
00:34:28.060 I didn't even get
00:34:28.400 to give him a kiss goodbye.
00:34:30.980 Oh, what's that?
00:34:32.000 In the chat,
00:34:32.540 people are saying,
00:34:33.780 a clue, a clue.
00:34:34.560 Did you guys see clues?
00:34:36.180 Oh, okay.
00:34:36.980 Well, let me revisit that.
00:34:37.760 Let me actually reiterate
00:34:39.040 what Erica is saying
00:34:40.620 happened the night before
00:34:41.960 because it doesn't make
00:34:43.280 any sense.
00:34:44.020 Well, to me,
00:34:47.300 it makes perfect sense.
00:34:48.400 I mean, there's nothing
00:34:48.900 unusual about anything
00:34:50.160 in that interview,
00:34:50.980 but let's see what
00:34:53.220 Candace says about it.
00:34:55.900 She says,
00:34:56.660 Charlie was so excited
00:34:57.760 and then she quotes.
00:34:59.900 He was like,
00:35:00.720 I can't wait.
00:35:02.080 It's going to be the best.
00:35:04.020 End quote.
00:35:05.040 It's a quotation from Charlie.
00:35:06.100 I can't wait.
00:35:07.080 It's going to be the best.
00:35:08.340 Okay, can I ask why?
00:35:10.160 Why was UVU
00:35:12.260 going to be the best?
00:35:14.600 Has Charlie never been
00:35:15.260 to UVU before?
00:35:15.940 No, he has actually.
00:35:16.580 He's been with me.
00:35:17.100 I've done UVU with him.
00:35:18.340 I honestly have done
00:35:19.080 a lot of college events.
00:35:19.920 I've never seen
00:35:21.160 this level of excitement
00:35:22.320 to go sit down
00:35:24.100 with a bunch of teenagers,
00:35:25.560 mostly who are over-coddled
00:35:27.420 by their parents
00:35:28.280 and who are going to be shouting
00:35:30.060 all sorts of questions like you.
00:35:32.260 It was going to be the best?
00:35:34.140 We already did it.
00:35:35.120 Why was it going to be better?
00:35:36.000 I feel offended.
00:35:37.220 I thought we had
00:35:37.960 a good experience up at UVU.
00:35:40.760 Certainly wouldn't have
00:35:41.420 described it as the best
00:35:42.300 and wouldn't be on the brink
00:35:43.400 of my seat
00:35:45.160 looking to go back,
00:35:46.740 itching to go back to UVU.
00:35:48.400 So that's weird.
00:35:50.420 So the idea is that Charlie
00:35:51.800 wouldn't have been excited
00:35:53.740 about the start
00:35:54.380 of his fall campus tour,
00:35:55.500 even though he'd be greeted
00:35:56.340 by thousands of fans
00:35:57.680 and clearly enjoyed
00:35:58.680 getting out of the studio.
00:36:00.540 There's nothing weird
00:36:01.700 about the fact
00:36:02.320 that Charlie enjoyed
00:36:03.420 doing his life's work.
00:36:05.000 It also is, by the way,
00:36:06.080 perfectly consistent
00:36:06.720 with everything I saw
00:36:07.740 from him personally.
00:36:08.420 He was always amped
00:36:09.700 and excited at any event
00:36:11.040 where I saw him.
00:36:13.500 Let's continue.
00:36:14.880 She then says that Charlie
00:36:16.520 woke up for a snack
00:36:18.100 at 2.45 in the morning
00:36:20.200 and apparently he was so loud,
00:36:23.140 the apartment's small,
00:36:24.520 and maybe it was his excitement,
00:36:25.580 he's like,
00:36:25.940 yeah, UVU, yeah,
00:36:28.940 I'm so excited.
00:36:29.920 Who knows?
00:36:30.840 Okay, we're not clear on that.
00:36:32.980 But the implication is
00:36:34.440 that's what woke up
00:36:35.360 her three-year-old daughter
00:36:36.260 at 2.45 in the morning.
00:36:38.080 That's not when toddlers
00:36:39.080 at the age of three
00:36:39.600 wake up, okay?
00:36:40.340 These are sleep-trained toddlers, okay?
00:36:43.300 Gigi wakes up at 2.45,
00:36:44.560 three-year-old kid
00:36:45.200 who should be
00:36:47.220 in the REM stage of sleep.
00:36:49.160 Toddlers knock out.
00:36:50.160 Maybe Gigi is a light sleeper.
00:36:51.900 It's also just curious
00:36:54.360 that they're all awake.
00:36:56.200 It's 2.45 a.m. in the morning.
00:36:58.700 I don't know what's going on.
00:37:00.760 But toddlers do wake up
00:37:02.280 at 3 a.m.
00:37:02.920 I mean, I have a toddler right now
00:37:04.200 who wakes up in the middle of the night
00:37:05.340 almost every night.
00:37:06.260 In fact,
00:37:06.780 every one of our six children
00:37:08.200 have gone through that phase
00:37:09.560 around that age.
00:37:11.740 It's the most normal thing
00:37:13.060 in the world.
00:37:14.420 So there's simply no reason at all
00:37:15.820 to think that she lied about this.
00:37:17.720 And even if you do think
00:37:20.180 she lied about it,
00:37:21.660 still,
00:37:22.260 and maybe you're sensing
00:37:23.040 a theme here,
00:37:24.080 it would not be evidence
00:37:25.800 of any crime.
00:37:28.500 But it continues.
00:37:29.620 Watch.
00:37:29.840 Maybe,
00:37:31.940 maybe there's noise,
00:37:34.860 not from excitement,
00:37:35.780 but maybe an argument.
00:37:38.200 Maybe there was an argument.
00:37:39.240 That would make more sense to me,
00:37:40.520 especially when we add in
00:37:42.620 how she concludes that portion
00:37:44.280 by telling us
00:37:45.300 that Charlie took off
00:37:46.220 his wedding ring
00:37:47.200 during that same night,
00:37:49.060 which is why he,
00:37:50.600 of course,
00:37:50.780 then had to put it back
00:37:51.540 on the next morning.
00:37:53.660 And Erica says
00:37:54.900 that he snuck in
00:37:55.460 the next morning
00:37:55.880 to put that wedding band on.
00:37:57.560 I immediately,
00:37:58.980 immediately clocked that.
00:38:00.540 Even when that interview was live,
00:38:01.740 I said,
00:38:02.020 that's weird,
00:38:02.400 just because I know Charlie.
00:38:03.380 But I couldn't explain that
00:38:04.060 to the audience.
00:38:04.500 I know Charlie.
00:38:04.960 Charlie's the kind of person
00:38:05.820 who could sleep
00:38:06.800 with his boots on,
00:38:07.760 like this little ring.
00:38:09.060 I don't know
00:38:10.080 virtually any men.
00:38:12.360 Truly,
00:38:12.580 I don't know any,
00:38:13.220 but obviously,
00:38:13.980 I'm assuming there are.
00:38:14.720 Maybe you've got a funky
00:38:15.520 little band
00:38:16.600 and maybe your hands
00:38:18.240 swollen with some of her.
00:38:18.800 I don't know,
00:38:19.320 that like meticulously
00:38:20.620 take that little band off.
00:38:22.400 Charlie doesn't strike me
00:38:23.740 as the type of person
00:38:24.260 who would do that.
00:38:25.000 I said,
00:38:25.380 that seems a little off.
00:38:29.340 Now,
00:38:29.960 you know,
00:38:30.080 I mentioned before
00:38:30.880 how these kinds
00:38:31.620 of conspiracy theories
00:38:32.500 not only draw
00:38:33.380 unsupported conclusions
00:38:34.540 based on irrelevant
00:38:35.600 and sometimes imaginary details,
00:38:37.360 but that the theories
00:38:38.480 actually make less sense
00:38:40.140 of the irrelevant details.
00:38:42.480 And we see that again here.
00:38:44.220 If Erica is a criminal mastermind
00:38:46.540 who's managed to avoid detection
00:38:47.960 for her nefarious plots
00:38:49.180 and she's in league
00:38:50.700 with the U.S. military
00:38:51.560 and other extremely
00:38:53.060 powerful organizations,
00:38:54.520 then why would she also confess
00:38:56.500 live on primetime television
00:38:57.780 to numerous incriminating details
00:38:59.640 for no reason whatsoever?
00:39:02.580 She didn't have to mention
00:39:03.560 anything about the wedding ring,
00:39:04.860 which, by the way,
00:39:05.920 many men do take off at night.
00:39:08.460 She didn't have to mention
00:39:09.440 anything about the bed
00:39:10.640 that Charlie slept in
00:39:11.600 or the toddler waking up.
00:39:13.560 But Erica slipped up,
00:39:15.300 apparently,
00:39:15.640 and revealed all of these
00:39:16.600 incriminating details
00:39:17.340 because in all her sinister planning,
00:39:19.540 she couldn't think
00:39:20.120 of a good cover story.
00:39:22.100 Now, if Erica is hiding
00:39:23.160 some sinister truth,
00:39:25.140 none of that makes sense.
00:39:27.900 She would be doing
00:39:28.700 the opposite
00:39:29.380 of what she's actually doing
00:39:31.700 in real life.
00:39:34.140 Continuing.
00:39:36.300 I also want to add
00:39:38.260 this little tidbit.
00:39:39.500 Erica is,
00:39:41.060 as you're going to see,
00:39:42.760 exceedingly uncomfortable
00:39:44.500 discussing Charlie's final day.
00:39:46.820 Fox News had to use
00:39:48.380 a lot of cuts.
00:39:49.920 A lot of,
00:39:50.800 you could,
00:39:51.160 now that I'm telling you that
00:39:51.940 and you watch,
00:39:52.400 you're going to go,
00:39:52.780 oh yeah,
00:39:53.000 they're cutting
00:39:53.540 and kind of like
00:39:55.180 putting her answer
00:39:55.940 in a different place.
00:39:57.040 Very obviously
00:39:58.240 and poorly edited out
00:39:59.740 entire portions
00:40:01.000 when Jessie asks her
00:40:02.240 a fairly simple question.
00:40:04.000 Tell me about
00:40:05.180 the day before the shooting.
00:40:07.100 That would be
00:40:07.440 Charlie's last full day
00:40:09.080 on Earth.
00:40:12.240 So Erica is exceedingly
00:40:13.620 uncomfortable describing
00:40:14.520 Charlie's final day.
00:40:15.500 Well, that again
00:40:16.340 makes perfect sense to me.
00:40:18.260 She is uncomfortable
00:40:19.140 describing the last day
00:40:20.280 that her husband
00:40:20.820 was alive on this planet.
00:40:23.420 I think I would be too
00:40:24.580 in her shoes.
00:40:26.580 And this is another
00:40:27.340 common theme.
00:40:28.260 Things that are
00:40:28.820 perfectly understandable
00:40:29.900 and normal
00:40:30.860 are recast
00:40:32.680 as ominous
00:40:33.660 and bizarre.
00:40:34.580 For example,
00:40:35.060 Erica has
00:40:35.600 frequently been criticized
00:40:37.000 for not announcing
00:40:38.280 the exact location
00:40:39.440 of her husband's
00:40:40.440 burial site.
00:40:42.140 And the implication,
00:40:42.920 again,
00:40:43.280 is that she's hiding
00:40:44.480 some dark secret.
00:40:45.660 But the much more
00:40:46.220 reasonable and plausible
00:40:47.360 and totally
00:40:48.360 understandable explanation
00:40:49.820 is that she doesn't
00:40:51.260 want leftists
00:40:52.140 showing up
00:40:52.820 and defacing
00:40:53.960 her husband's grave,
00:40:55.000 which we all know
00:40:55.820 they would do.
00:40:56.680 And she doesn't want
00:40:57.580 random deranged people
00:40:58.760 showing up
00:40:59.300 and trying to exhume
00:41:00.260 his body
00:41:00.700 so that they can conduct
00:41:01.460 their own unofficial
00:41:02.500 forensic analysis,
00:41:03.620 which would also
00:41:05.280 probably happen.
00:41:06.260 So again,
00:41:06.920 we have no evidence
00:41:08.200 of any crime at all,
00:41:09.760 least of all the crime,
00:41:11.120 of conspiring
00:41:11.880 to kill her husband.
00:41:13.920 But by far,
00:41:14.920 the number one piece
00:41:15.620 of evidence
00:41:16.060 against Erica,
00:41:17.560 the thing that really
00:41:18.920 got the conspiracy
00:41:19.620 theories rolling
00:41:20.420 and which fuels them
00:41:22.240 even now,
00:41:23.260 is the same thing
00:41:24.760 that put the Sandy Hook
00:41:25.720 parents in the crosshairs.
00:41:27.480 It is Erica's
00:41:28.640 general demeanor
00:41:29.800 in public,
00:41:30.640 her facial expressions,
00:41:32.720 what she wears.
00:41:33.660 It's definitely
00:41:34.700 not just Candace
00:41:35.840 drawing sinister conclusions
00:41:37.300 based on Erica's
00:41:38.300 wardrobe and body language.
00:41:39.620 It's all over the internet.
00:41:40.400 It's all over the place.
00:41:41.040 The Daily Mail
00:41:42.040 even published
00:41:42.700 this headline this week.
00:41:44.700 As Erica Kirk
00:41:45.320 finally comes out of hiding
00:41:46.600 at the State of the Union,
00:41:47.780 shock new expose
00:41:48.920 plagues giggling widow
00:41:50.480 who can't shake questions
00:41:52.100 over her tears
00:41:52.960 and those leather pants.
00:41:56.000 Now, it's strange
00:41:57.000 that Erica is accused
00:41:58.060 of being in hiding.
00:41:59.160 She's also accused
00:41:59.860 of being too public,
00:42:01.620 too hungry for the spotlight.
00:42:03.520 So somehow she's guilty
00:42:04.900 of being too visible
00:42:05.980 and not visible enough
00:42:08.100 at the exact same time.
00:42:09.280 I've never seen anyone
00:42:11.880 in my life
00:42:12.940 who has been put
00:42:13.600 in such a morbidly absurd
00:42:15.400 lose-lose situation.
00:42:17.320 If Erica laughs,
00:42:18.540 she's criticized
00:42:19.040 for not crying.
00:42:20.080 If she cries,
00:42:20.980 her tears are fake.
00:42:21.920 If she's out in public,
00:42:22.840 she should be home grieving.
00:42:23.740 If she's home grieving,
00:42:24.440 she should stop hiding
00:42:25.320 and come out in the public.
00:42:26.520 If she laughs,
00:42:27.320 she's a cruel,
00:42:28.360 unfeeling psychopath.
00:42:29.400 If she frowns,
00:42:30.560 she's an icy,
00:42:31.540 scheming villain.
00:42:32.260 Literally no matter
00:42:35.140 what this woman does,
00:42:37.160 no matter what she says,
00:42:38.560 how she looks,
00:42:39.440 what facial expression
00:42:40.460 she displays,
00:42:41.500 it is used as evidence
00:42:43.020 against her.
00:42:44.680 Look at this tweet
00:42:45.640 from the news outlet RT.
00:42:48.320 It says,
00:42:48.860 Erica Kirk's
00:42:49.680 State of the Union
00:42:50.360 demeanor goes viral.
00:42:52.140 Commenters on social media
00:42:53.440 argued Charlie Kirk's widow
00:42:54.680 was acting weird,
00:42:55.820 fake,
00:42:56.040 and performative
00:42:56.780 at the State of the Union address.
00:42:58.600 Do you spot anything?
00:42:59.640 And you can see the video there.
00:43:03.340 Well, the answer is no.
00:43:06.360 I don't spot anything strange.
00:43:08.540 She's just sitting there.
00:43:11.360 What do you want her to do?
00:43:13.440 At some point,
00:43:14.480 she looks like
00:43:15.260 she's getting emotional.
00:43:16.260 At other points,
00:43:16.720 she smiles in response
00:43:17.780 to something Trump says
00:43:18.680 from the podium.
00:43:19.760 She looks up.
00:43:20.900 She looks down.
00:43:23.500 What do you want?
00:43:25.180 What is the precise
00:43:26.500 facial expression
00:43:27.500 that Erica Kirk
00:43:28.380 is supposed to have?
00:43:29.540 Maybe one of her critics
00:43:30.660 can show us.
00:43:31.640 Go ahead and prescribe
00:43:32.520 for Erica
00:43:33.300 exactly what her face
00:43:34.880 is supposed to look like
00:43:36.480 at all times.
00:43:39.340 This is completely ridiculous.
00:43:42.220 I mean,
00:43:42.420 we're at the point now
00:43:43.360 where Erica's facial expressions
00:43:44.780 are being judged
00:43:45.820 on a second-by-second basis.
00:43:48.900 People are parsing
00:43:49.880 the slightest move
00:43:50.880 of an eyebrow
00:43:51.540 and looking for evidence
00:43:53.320 of something sinister.
00:43:55.840 I don't think
00:43:56.620 it's an exaggeration
00:43:57.380 to say that nobody
00:43:58.300 in history
00:43:59.520 has ever been subjected
00:44:01.680 to this intense level
00:44:03.300 of scrutiny
00:44:03.860 so much
00:44:05.380 that they literally
00:44:06.140 can't smile
00:44:07.260 or use a tissue
00:44:08.500 without 10,000 people
00:44:11.040 on the internet
00:44:11.540 attacking them
00:44:12.300 in the most ruthless
00:44:13.080 and uncharitable terms
00:44:14.020 possible.
00:44:14.600 I've never seen
00:44:15.340 anything like it.
00:44:15.940 If you have,
00:44:16.400 let me know.
00:44:18.760 Now,
00:44:19.240 I've heard it argued
00:44:19.900 by Candace
00:44:20.580 and many others
00:44:21.200 that Erica
00:44:22.760 has put herself
00:44:23.740 in line
00:44:24.200 for this level
00:44:24.900 of scrutiny
00:44:25.420 by assuming
00:44:26.120 the role
00:44:26.720 of CEO.
00:44:28.360 Now,
00:44:28.960 I'm not sure
00:44:29.600 why a person
00:44:30.740 becoming CEO
00:44:31.500 of an organization
00:44:32.240 inherently justifies
00:44:33.540 ripping their life apart.
00:44:35.120 I'm not aware
00:44:36.120 of any other CEO
00:44:37.060 who's ever been subjected
00:44:38.420 to anything like this.
00:44:40.420 It seems more
00:44:41.340 that her becoming CEO
00:44:42.260 offers a pretense
00:44:43.560 for the criticism,
00:44:45.020 not a necessary reason
00:44:46.680 for it.
00:44:48.220 And in any case,
00:44:49.820 even if becoming CEO
00:44:51.180 makes her a candidate
00:44:52.080 for increased scrutiny,
00:44:54.620 what it doesn't do
00:44:56.360 is lower
00:44:57.720 the evidentiary bar
00:44:59.500 for everybody else
00:45:00.860 before accusing her
00:45:02.360 of nefarious crimes
00:45:03.560 or implying
00:45:04.260 that she's guilty
00:45:04.920 of them.
00:45:06.220 Her becoming CEO
00:45:07.080 does not give anyone
00:45:08.340 moral license
00:45:09.620 to make wild
00:45:11.080 and defamatory
00:45:12.080 speculations
00:45:12.940 about her.
00:45:13.880 And anyway,
00:45:14.540 her decision
00:45:14.980 to become CEO
00:45:15.480 is not surprising.
00:45:17.880 It certainly
00:45:18.400 is not scandalous.
00:45:19.540 Wanting to keep
00:45:21.980 a man's life work
00:45:22.980 in the family
00:45:23.760 to preserve his legacy
00:45:24.840 is an understandable
00:45:26.660 instinct,
00:45:27.600 and by the way,
00:45:28.480 a very conservative one.
00:45:31.300 Now, as to her behavior,
00:45:32.860 I personally don't think
00:45:34.140 that she's been acting
00:45:34.860 strange at all.
00:45:36.340 But if you do,
00:45:38.440 then here's your explanation.
00:45:40.620 Not that Erica owes you one.
00:45:42.840 Any human being
00:45:44.020 under that much scrutiny
00:45:45.240 in a situation
00:45:46.920 this traumatic
00:45:48.680 and terrible
00:45:49.240 would behave strangely.
00:45:51.720 Indeed,
00:45:52.040 I don't even know
00:45:52.740 what a normal reaction
00:45:53.760 would be.
00:45:55.480 This is not
00:45:56.280 a normal circumstance.
00:45:57.600 We have no frame
00:45:58.500 of reference for it.
00:46:00.080 Our only frame
00:46:00.960 of reference
00:46:01.360 is how private people
00:46:02.720 mourning much less
00:46:03.860 public deaths
00:46:04.840 behave.
00:46:06.200 And even based
00:46:06.800 on that comparison,
00:46:07.520 a comparison which is
00:46:08.200 not entirely fair to Erica,
00:46:09.920 still her behavior
00:46:10.720 is wholly understandable.
00:46:12.780 Grieving people
00:46:13.460 often laugh.
00:46:14.840 They smile.
00:46:15.540 Other times,
00:46:16.080 they're crying.
00:46:16.600 They try to compartmentalize
00:46:17.860 their grief and carry on
00:46:19.060 hiding their trauma
00:46:19.920 as best they can.
00:46:21.040 That's what Erica
00:46:21.720 is clearly doing.
00:46:22.820 And she's doing it
00:46:23.500 while trying her best
00:46:24.300 to carry on her husband's
00:46:25.400 legacy and life's work,
00:46:27.380 which is what she feels
00:46:29.260 called to do.
00:46:29.960 Again,
00:46:30.500 that is not difficult
00:46:31.340 for a reasonable person
00:46:32.940 to understand.
00:46:34.260 But all of this
00:46:37.280 is irrelevant.
00:46:39.080 Even if you don't like
00:46:40.460 how she acts,
00:46:42.500 the pants she wears,
00:46:44.140 her facial expressions,
00:46:45.460 anything else,
00:46:47.320 you have no actual
00:46:48.980 evidence-based reason
00:46:50.460 to think that she is
00:46:51.800 guilty of committing
00:46:52.680 any crime.
00:46:54.260 And if she isn't guilty
00:46:55.420 of a crime,
00:46:56.740 then all you're doing
00:46:58.960 is nitpicking a widow,
00:47:01.060 which is every bit
00:47:02.440 like critiquing the color
00:47:04.080 of somebody's nail polish
00:47:05.600 while you watch them
00:47:06.560 drown in the ocean
00:47:07.620 and make no attempt
00:47:08.540 to help.
00:47:09.180 Yes,
00:47:10.040 maybe she made
00:47:10.960 an odd choice
00:47:11.640 of nail polish that day.
00:47:13.660 She's also drowning.
00:47:15.620 And that would seem
00:47:16.760 to be the more salient fact.
00:47:19.500 And it's interesting
00:47:20.260 to me to note
00:47:21.460 that Tyler Robinson
00:47:22.580 is not subjected
00:47:23.800 to even a fraction
00:47:25.180 of the public scrutiny,
00:47:26.720 even though all
00:47:27.660 of the evidence,
00:47:29.740 literally all
00:47:30.800 of the evidence
00:47:31.660 points to him.
00:47:33.460 There is no evidence
00:47:36.120 connecting Erica
00:47:37.400 to the crime.
00:47:38.520 All of it.
00:47:39.720 All of the evidence
00:47:40.740 we do have,
00:47:41.540 every bit of it
00:47:42.400 connects Tyler Robinson
00:47:43.600 to it,
00:47:44.000 and yet for some reason
00:47:44.840 he's not the subject
00:47:46.520 of public scorn.
00:47:49.380 Instead,
00:47:49.960 it all goes
00:47:50.600 to the widow
00:47:51.640 of the man he killed.
00:47:56.020 So I've laid out
00:47:57.200 over these past
00:47:59.000 45 minutes or so
00:47:59.980 the argument.
00:48:02.040 I've made the case.
00:48:03.180 I've tried to explain
00:48:05.160 as thoroughly
00:48:06.860 and systematically
00:48:07.860 as I can
00:48:08.660 why Candace's
00:48:11.460 claims about Erica
00:48:12.720 and insinuations
00:48:14.140 about her
00:48:14.640 are not based
00:48:16.100 in fact.
00:48:17.740 And having done that,
00:48:19.060 I'd like to now,
00:48:21.220 if you'll forgive me,
00:48:22.540 merely as epilogue,
00:48:24.300 speak on a more emotional
00:48:25.580 and personal level
00:48:26.480 for a moment.
00:48:27.720 I admit
00:48:30.360 that I have
00:48:30.880 a certain advantage
00:48:31.880 when it comes
00:48:32.360 to assessing
00:48:32.860 Erica's actions
00:48:33.820 and motives.
00:48:34.540 I've spoken to her
00:48:35.300 multiple times
00:48:35.980 since Charlie died.
00:48:37.320 You don't need
00:48:38.040 to know her
00:48:38.500 or speak to her
00:48:39.160 to understand
00:48:39.620 that the accusations
00:48:40.560 and insinuations
00:48:41.300 against her
00:48:41.860 are utterly
00:48:42.780 without merit.
00:48:43.900 You don't need
00:48:44.460 to know her
00:48:45.120 or speak to her
00:48:45.880 to understand
00:48:46.420 that there is
00:48:46.880 no legitimate reason,
00:48:48.120 no evidence
00:48:48.700 to justify treating her
00:48:49.760 with anything but
00:48:50.640 compassion and sympathy.
00:48:52.720 You don't need
00:48:53.220 to know her
00:48:53.840 or speak to her
00:48:54.420 to understand
00:48:54.900 the biblical mandate
00:48:55.980 to be kind
00:48:56.760 to widows.
00:48:58.380 But if you did
00:48:59.380 speak to her,
00:49:00.800 you would see,
00:49:03.000 as I have
00:49:03.940 clear as day,
00:49:05.040 that this woman
00:49:06.340 is completely
00:49:07.340 devastated,
00:49:09.140 broken into
00:49:09.940 a thousand pieces
00:49:11.160 by this tragedy.
00:49:12.460 She is shattered.
00:49:13.500 She is crushed.
00:49:15.060 And now,
00:49:16.020 already grief-stricken
00:49:17.260 and gutted,
00:49:18.580 she must deal
00:49:19.720 with public scorn,
00:49:21.180 mockery,
00:49:21.640 and defamation
00:49:22.260 unlike anything
00:49:23.140 I've ever seen
00:49:23.960 in my life,
00:49:25.200 much less
00:49:26.100 experienced myself.
00:49:28.880 If you're worried
00:49:29.800 that she isn't
00:49:30.560 sad enough,
00:49:34.020 fear not,
00:49:34.740 I can report
00:49:35.400 she's sad.
00:49:36.700 She is very,
00:49:37.640 very sad.
00:49:39.960 And if for some
00:49:41.000 unknown reason
00:49:41.720 it makes you feel
00:49:42.340 better to know that,
00:49:44.040 well,
00:49:44.560 now you do.
00:49:46.860 The other thing
00:49:47.600 you notice about
00:49:48.560 Erica,
00:49:49.360 if you talk to her
00:49:49.840 in real life,
00:49:50.360 is that she is
00:49:51.400 a real person
00:49:52.220 dealing with
00:49:53.740 a real thing.
00:49:56.100 Everybody else
00:49:56.840 on the internet
00:49:57.260 has the benefit
00:49:57.880 of treating
00:49:58.320 this whole thing
00:49:58.960 like some kind
00:49:59.640 of game,
00:50:00.280 a piece of content
00:50:01.600 that you watch
00:50:02.440 and then scroll past.
00:50:03.820 You engage
00:50:04.320 with the story
00:50:04.900 in bits and pieces
00:50:05.600 when you want to
00:50:06.240 here and there,
00:50:06.940 and then you don't.
00:50:08.080 I'm talking about it
00:50:08.860 right now
00:50:09.260 as an episode
00:50:09.840 of my podcast.
00:50:12.320 Candice has done
00:50:12.980 many episodes
00:50:13.580 about it.
00:50:15.980 Erica lives
00:50:16.600 with it
00:50:16.940 every second
00:50:17.660 of every day.
00:50:19.440 This is her life.
00:50:21.980 It's not a game
00:50:22.860 for her.
00:50:23.240 It's not content.
00:50:24.020 It's her life.
00:50:25.900 Now,
00:50:26.300 I've talked about
00:50:26.920 how deeply
00:50:27.420 Charlie's death
00:50:28.160 affected me
00:50:28.800 and it did.
00:50:30.060 I was changed
00:50:30.940 by it
00:50:31.320 and not for the
00:50:31.940 better,
00:50:32.220 I'm sorry to say.
00:50:32.940 I'm an angrier
00:50:33.580 person now.
00:50:34.220 I admit that.
00:50:36.320 But I also
00:50:37.020 recognize that
00:50:37.760 even in the
00:50:38.280 immediate aftermath
00:50:39.020 of his death,
00:50:39.800 I could still
00:50:40.460 put my phone
00:50:41.140 down and turn
00:50:42.200 off the TV
00:50:42.840 and try to
00:50:44.580 take my mind
00:50:45.380 off the tragedy
00:50:46.160 and go spend
00:50:46.900 time with my
00:50:47.520 family,
00:50:48.040 with my wife
00:50:48.680 who is alive
00:50:49.320 and my children
00:50:50.120 who are happy
00:50:50.780 and safe
00:50:51.860 with two parents
00:50:52.620 who love them.
00:50:53.640 I have that luxury.
00:50:55.040 So does Candice.
00:50:57.240 Erica does not.
00:50:59.720 When I was trying
00:51:00.480 to take my mind
00:51:01.140 off of things,
00:51:01.680 do you know
00:51:01.880 what Erica was doing?
00:51:02.700 She was explaining
00:51:03.400 to her young children
00:51:04.240 that their daddy
00:51:04.920 will never be coming
00:51:05.760 home.
00:51:07.180 Do you know
00:51:07.740 what that's like?
00:51:09.740 Have you ever
00:51:10.420 had to have
00:51:11.020 a conversation
00:51:11.480 like that?
00:51:14.320 I haven't.
00:51:15.080 I pray I never
00:51:16.740 do.
00:51:18.000 And every night
00:51:18.960 since that day
00:51:19.780 while I am happily
00:51:20.720 at home with my
00:51:21.460 family and Candice
00:51:22.420 is with hers,
00:51:23.140 Erica is home
00:51:23.820 with two children
00:51:24.580 who are suffering
00:51:25.660 a trauma that
00:51:26.420 they're far too
00:51:27.060 young to process
00:51:27.740 while she carries
00:51:28.880 a grief that
00:51:29.520 most of us
00:51:29.980 can't comprehend
00:51:30.640 and all the while
00:51:31.760 she is gleefully
00:51:32.660 ripped to pieces
00:51:33.640 by hordes of people
00:51:35.360 who cannot muster
00:51:36.820 even the faintest
00:51:37.760 shred of sympathy
00:51:38.640 for her.
00:51:42.640 Will anything
00:51:43.440 I'm saying
00:51:43.880 right now
00:51:44.240 change that?
00:51:46.060 Will it make
00:51:46.840 any difference
00:51:47.380 at all?
00:51:49.500 I don't know.
00:51:51.040 Probably not.
00:51:53.220 Is it likely
00:51:54.100 to persuade Candice
00:51:55.140 or any of her fans
00:51:56.140 or anyone else
00:51:56.920 who's been attacking
00:51:57.540 Erica?
00:51:59.800 That's probably
00:52:00.560 unlikely
00:52:00.980 though I can
00:52:02.300 always hope.
00:52:04.540 You know
00:52:05.100 there's a debate
00:52:05.620 on the right
00:52:06.140 right now
00:52:07.380 about the best
00:52:08.180 way to defend
00:52:09.160 Charlie's family
00:52:10.080 and legacy
00:52:10.600 through all of this.
00:52:12.480 Is it better
00:52:13.320 to starve
00:52:14.000 the conspiracy
00:52:14.620 theories
00:52:15.080 of attention
00:52:15.580 deprive them
00:52:16.300 of oxygen
00:52:16.840 or should we
00:52:18.120 focus on them
00:52:18.700 intently?
00:52:19.420 Should we
00:52:20.000 scream and shout
00:52:20.920 and get angry?
00:52:22.140 Should we
00:52:22.820 approach the issue
00:52:23.700 objectively
00:52:24.360 and offer a
00:52:25.100 dispassionate
00:52:25.880 rebuttal?
00:52:26.320 I'll be honest
00:52:28.820 I'll be honest with you
00:52:29.020 I've argued
00:52:29.440 with myself
00:52:29.900 about this
00:52:30.440 I don't know
00:52:32.200 the answer
00:52:32.640 all I know
00:52:34.420 is that Erica
00:52:34.940 Kirk is a victim
00:52:35.940 not a culprit
00:52:36.680 or a conspirator
00:52:37.560 she doesn't
00:52:39.060 she doesn't deserve
00:52:39.700 she doesn't deserve
00:52:39.720 any of this
00:52:40.400 what she deserves
00:52:42.260 is sympathy
00:52:43.040 and maybe a little
00:52:45.520 bit of grace
00:52:46.120 and if we really
00:52:48.060 loved and admired
00:52:48.860 Charlie
00:52:49.260 then extending
00:52:51.420 that basic level
00:52:52.640 of decency
00:52:53.180 to his wife
00:52:53.900 is the least
00:52:56.520 we can do
00:52:57.000 that'll do it
00:53:00.120 for the show
00:53:00.480 today
00:53:00.760 and this week
00:53:01.460 I'll talk to you
00:53:02.380 next week
00:53:03.200 have a great
00:53:04.520 weekend
00:53:04.860 Godspeed
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