The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1821 - The Lindsay Clancy Case Isn’t A ＂Who-Dun-It.＂ Why Are TikTok Moms Pretending It Is？

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00:00:30.000 Today we're going to discuss one of the most horrifying murder cases in memory, and we don't

00:00:34.780 often cover murder cases on the show unless the case has political implications of some kind.

00:00:39.380 Outside of those kinds of cases, this is not a true crime podcast, and this murder case in

00:00:45.480 particular is so awful, so dark, so totally unthinkable and ghastly that, frankly, I don't

00:00:52.340 like to think about it and would therefore prefer not to talk about it. Yet the case does have

00:00:57.200 implications, not merely political, but deeper than that. The murder itself, the reaction to it,

00:01:02.260 the commentary on it, the defense that's being argued in court, all say something and something

00:01:08.300 quite troubling about our culture. And that's why I've decided to spend at least one episode of the

00:01:12.740 show discussing it. So Lindsay Clancy is a former labor and delivery nurse. Back in January of 2023,

00:01:20.280 she sent her husband Patrick out of the house to run an errand at CVS and pick up food. 0.98

00:01:25.360 With Patrick out of the way, Clancy took her young children, Cora, age five, Dawson, age three, and Callan, eight months, into the basement, where she methodically strangled them each to death with exercise bands.

00:01:39.480 Clancy then slashed her wrists and jumped out of a second-story window, sustaining serious injuries that left her paralyzed from the waist down.

00:01:46.760 When her husband arrived, she told him the kids were in the basement. He ran downstairs to find them all dead.

00:01:52.580 and later, according to her husband, Lindsay claimed that she had heard a voice commanding

00:01:57.220 her to kill the children and then herself. Now, despite what the wannabe Nancy Drews are saying

00:02:04.180 on TikTok, this is not exactly a whodunit. Lindsay Clancy confessed to the crime. Her guilt is

00:02:11.360 self-evident and her attorneys in front of the jury aren't even attempting to argue that she

00:02:17.080 didn't commit the crime. They've stipulated to all of the forensic evidence, which means they

00:02:21.500 formally agree that all the evidence is real and legitimate and valid. Again, they are not trying

00:02:26.880 to argue that she didn't do it. She did it. That is not being disputed by any rational person,

00:02:33.260 though it is being disputed by plenty of irrational people, as we will see. Instead,

00:02:37.980 the case is about whether Lindsay Clancy qualifies as not guilty by reason of insanity,

00:02:43.100 specifically by reason of postpartum psychosis exacerbated by the medications that she was

00:02:48.100 taking. This is a defense that should not exist as a matter of law. Once a woman brutally murders

00:02:55.540 her own children, it doesn't matter what a therapist says about why she did it. It doesn't 0.77

00:03:00.660 matter how she felt. It doesn't matter if she was sad or anxious or indeed insane. She should be

00:03:07.120 removed from society permanently as a matter of justice. If her defense is that she's so crazy 1.00

00:03:13.660 that she just can't help herself, that she had no choice but to strangle her own children to death, 1.00

00:03:19.440 and that's all the more reason to remove her from society permanently. It should not be

00:03:24.320 controversial to say that a person who methodically executes three children, strangling each to death

00:03:30.620 while the others watch in horror, is a person who must be punished to the fullest extent of the law,

00:03:36.420 crazy or not, on medication or not. There are some things that you can do in life that once

00:03:43.640 they've been done, preclude you from ever walking free again. These are actions that cry out to

00:03:51.440 heaven for vengeance. Justice must be done. Punishment must be given. And if murdering

00:03:57.460 three children, your own young helpless children, does not qualify as one of those sorts of actions,

00:04:05.100 if it does not call for the most severe punishment, then nothing does.

00:04:11.740 We should note that a successful insanity plea in the state of Massachusetts does not at all mean necessarily

00:04:19.040 that the person who was found not guilty by reason of insanity will spend the rest of their life in a mental institution.

00:04:26.040 You'll often hear people claim that there's no reason to get upset when a murderer is found not guilty by reason of insanity

00:04:32.700 because they'll still be locked up in an institution for life.

00:04:36.320 But that's not true.

00:04:38.340 There's a reason defendants try for the insanity defense.

00:04:41.840 The fate of a person found not guilty on that basis

00:04:44.280 is considerably more favorable than one who is found guilty.

00:04:48.960 Now, if we were still living in the 1940s,

00:04:51.180 when the criminally insane were committed for life to insane asylums,

00:04:55.440 which were institutions often more punishing and nightmarish than actual prisons,

00:04:59.620 then I might feel differently.

00:05:01.300 But we're not in the 1940s anymore. If Clancy's insanity defense is successful, she will be placed

00:05:07.720 in a mental health institution indefinitely, but not necessarily permanently. And the state will

00:05:12.920 have to petition every single year to keep her there. Every year, they will have to prove that 0.99

00:05:19.060 she is still mentally ill and a risk to society. If they can't prove it, or if they decline to

00:05:25.300 petition in the first place, then she will, in fact, be released back into society. That happens

00:05:31.360 all the time. And there's a very high chance that it would happen with Lindsay Clancy.

00:05:36.900 The only way to permanently remove this woman, who, again, murdered three children from society, 0.99

00:05:44.200 is to find her guilty of murder in the first degree and put her into prison for life with no

00:05:49.300 parole or execute her the entire concept of an insanity defense as i've argued before

00:05:54.940 is completely nonsensical and antithetical to the basic notions of justice and fairness not

00:06:00.800 to mention common sense uh and that is particularly true in this context watch

00:06:07.040 a massachusetts mother is facing murder charges in the strangulation deaths of her three young

00:06:13.160 children. This was a woman who acted intentionally, rationally, and swiftly to accomplish a very

00:06:20.620 specific goal. After the alleged killings, Clancy cut her wrists and neck and jumped out of a second 1.00

00:06:26.160 story window, leaving her paralyzed. The defense argues Clancy lacks criminal responsibility,

00:06:31.700 also known as the insanity defense, because she was suffering from postpartum depression and

00:06:36.120 psychosis. Her then husband testified she had been treated multiple times for her mental health,

00:06:40.780 including for suicidal thoughts.

00:06:43.520 She had been prescribed to more than a dozen different

00:06:45.600 medications by various providers and was also admitted

00:06:48.980 to a hospital for postpartum depression.

00:06:51.240 But what is postpartum psychosis?

00:06:53.400 It often is characterized by periods of confusion

00:06:58.200 or disorientation.

00:06:59.840 It can be characterized by an increased energy

00:07:03.160 racing thought and often is characterized

00:07:05.060 by sleep disturbance. 0.99

00:07:06.640 Then a woman often begins to have what we call

00:07:09.260 psychotic symptoms and those are when a woman has a kind of what we call a break from reality, 0.62

00:07:15.580 sees things that aren't there. It's hard to diagnose and treat because it's an uncommon

00:07:20.220 condition that does not present in the same way every time and we do not have a definitive lab

00:07:27.420 test or MRI or brain test that tells doctors they do or do not have that condition. If a mother is

00:07:36.220 saying she's not feeling right or you're or the family's noticing that she's struggling

00:07:40.400 i would suggest reaching out for more information

00:07:43.380 so quote if a mother says she's not feeling right or if she's struggling

00:07:49.680 then that might mean that she has a postpartum depression or even postpartum psychosis and other

00:07:55.920 symptoms to look out for include confusion disorientation increased energy racing thoughts

00:08:01.320 and sleep disturbance, which incidentally are all symptoms that every human has at some point

00:08:06.380 in their life, particularly when they're in a stressful situation. There's no lab tests for

00:08:11.300 this disorder, and the diagnostic criteria are so broad that they could apply to about 95% of the

00:08:16.840 population at some point or another. Nevertheless, postpartum psychosis is currently a viable

00:08:22.180 defense to first-degree murder, and we're all supposed to take it seriously as a defense. Now,

00:08:27.300 to be clear, I'm not denying that postpartum psychosis can occur. Sometimes people do

00:08:31.820 hallucinate for one reason or another. Certainly postpartum depression is a real phenomenon.

00:08:37.220 But even if you're fully on board with the idea that some women can develop this psychosis because

00:08:42.400 their hormones get out of whack, the idea that it completely removes all agency, that they are not 0.70

00:08:49.140 responsible at all for anything they do, up to and including slaughtering three humans, 0.92

00:08:54.020 is ludicrous. Remember that Clancy sent her husband out of the house so that she could

00:09:00.720 murder her kids. Remember that she murdered them with exercise bands one at a time. Remember that 0.55

00:09:06.560 she brought them to the basement so they could be killed. This was not a sudden explosion of

00:09:13.080 violence in the heat of the moment. Now, even if it were, she should still rot in prison forever

00:09:17.280 at a minimum, but it wasn't that. Instead, this was a planned, organized, systematic execution 0.83

00:09:24.480 of her children. There's a long history of women murdering their children and then being found not 1.00

00:09:30.940 guilty by reason of insanity. Women who murder their own children are especially likely to play 1.00

00:09:37.540 this get-out-of-jail-free card, and it's especially likely that it will be successful. 0.71

00:09:43.100 Most people will recall the Andrea Yates case 20 years ago.

00:09:47.720 She drowned all five of her kids in a bathtub, and she was initially convicted of capital murder,

00:09:54.120 but in appeals court a few years later, threw out the conviction, and then she was retried,

00:09:59.900 and then she was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

00:10:04.320 Now today, Andrea Yates, after having murdered five children, 0.99

00:10:08.140 spends her days in a low-security mental health facility with no bars on the windows or razor 0.86

00:10:14.820 wire fencing or armed guards. And the only reason she's still there and not walking free is that

00:10:20.020 she wants to be there. This is the generosity and kindness the criminal justice system tends to show

00:10:26.820 women who murder their kids. And it's why, statistically, women who plead insanity are 0.77

00:10:31.660 much more likely to be successful than men who enter that plea. In fact, a woman who pleads 0.58

00:10:37.840 insanity is 50% more likely to be found not guilty. Now, there are plenty of recent examples,

00:10:46.140 too. Just a few months ago, or just really a month ago, as we discussed at the time,

00:10:50.220 a black woman in Miami was found not guilty of drowning her 15-month-old daughter and stabbing

00:10:55.680 her husband because COVID made her do it. Yes, COVID supposedly forced this woman to slaughter 0.52

00:11:01.180 her 15-month-old child, never mind the fact that she was upset about her husband's alleged

00:11:05.400 infidelity. That had nothing to do with it. COVID was responsible. Watch.

00:11:11.780 Tears filled the courtroom as the mother, who admitted to killing her baby daughter,

00:11:16.600 was found not guilty by reason of insanity following a two-day bench trial.

00:11:22.120 As to count one, aggravated manslaughter. The defendant is not guilty by reason of insanity.

00:11:27.040 As to count two, attempted murder in the first degree. The defendant is not guilty by reason

00:11:31.040 of insanity. And as to count three attempted murder in the first degree, the defendant is

00:11:35.820 not guilty by reason of insanity. Her lawyers argued Bland was overcome by the voices in her

00:11:40.980 head and had a COVID-induced psychotic break. Satan is a deceiver. There's so much that we 0.88

00:11:46.480 don't know about COVID. And this was, you know, one of the first cases in the country to go to

00:11:52.580 trial on COVID-19 in the defense to murder. Bland spent three and a half years behind bars

00:11:58.920 before being released about a year ago.

00:12:01.560 Now, after a judge cleared her of criminal responsibility

00:12:04.300 in her daughter's death,

00:12:06.040 she says she's focused on moving forward.

00:12:10.900 Now, if you ever have difficulty convincing somebody

00:12:13.340 that the insanity defense should be abolished,

00:12:16.360 just show them this clip.

00:12:18.640 Judges are letting murderers out of prison

00:12:20.780 because they had COVID.

00:12:22.820 It's so utterly insane, speaking of insanity,

00:12:25.600 that you have to give them credit for creativity,

00:12:27.880 at least, I guess,

00:12:28.540 And as long as the insanity defense exists, it's the perfect loophole if you want to legalize post-birth abortion.

00:12:36.300 Just bury the jury in nonsense, give it an air of legitimacy, bring in some psychiatrists to say a bunch of nonsense, a bunch of pseudo-scientific nonsense, and hope they acquit.

00:12:47.020 That's the strategy.

00:12:48.800 And that's exactly what we're seeing right now with the Clancy case.

00:12:52.880 Virtually all of the testimony to this point has been a morass of meaningless back and forth about the precise psychological symptoms that Clancy was demonstrating or not demonstrating when she spoke to her doctor.

00:13:04.840 Take a look at this heated interaction on cross-examination between the defense attorney and Jennifer Tufts, who was one of Clancy's psychiatrists.

00:13:12.680 We're going to try to get through this together because it illustrates exactly what this whole trial is really about. Watch.

00:13:19.600 Did she call suicide, that one?

00:13:22.000 I was not aware that she did.

00:13:24.380 Did you ever ask her?

00:13:27.240 I don't think I specifically asked that question.

00:13:30.040 How about not specifically?

00:13:31.340 Did you ask her anything?

00:13:32.440 Did it be around the bush maybe?

00:13:33.680 Did you ask her anything about suicide hotlines?

00:13:37.340 I don't think I asked her about suicide hotlines.

00:13:40.440 Would it surprise you to know that she called suicide hotline in that time frame,

00:13:45.620 not once, but twice, and was turned away?

00:13:48.340 It does surprise me, yes.

00:14:01.640 Not hyper pressured speech.

00:14:03.640 What was that?

00:14:04.640 Not hyper what?

00:14:05.640 Not hyper not pressured speech is what I meant.

00:14:08.240 I know it doesn't say not, but that is exactly what I meant.

00:14:11.740 When did you see this that you noticed that it did not say not?

00:14:15.520 I don't care what it says.

00:14:16.840 I know what I meant.

00:14:19.100 Well, when you wrote this,

00:14:21.020 you did not say not pressured speech.

00:14:24.200 You said in the medical record, pressured speech, right?

00:14:29.980 No.

00:14:30.900 Doesn't say that.

00:14:33.040 Yeah, the word not is right before

00:14:36.520 not hyper comma pressured speech.

00:14:38.820 The two are following the not.

00:14:40.820 Right, so what does a common mean to you?

00:14:41.840 When you put down in a medical record,

00:14:44.120 Heart racing, comma, severe anxiety, comma, worried about kids, comma, baby, comma, sleep, comma, yawns, but not drowsy, period.

00:14:53.800 Not hyper, comma, pressured speech.

00:14:57.580 That's what you wrote, right?

00:14:59.680 She did not have pressured speech.

00:15:01.380 Did you write that, doctor?

00:15:02.280 I wrote that, but you're misinterpreting my note.

00:15:04.400 Am I reading this correctly, and the jury will be able to look at it, that you put not hyper, comma,

00:15:14.120 pressured speech. Did I read that right? Yes, but your interpretation is incorrect.

00:15:23.700 Well, it's all pretty mind-numbing. Inane does not begin to describe this from both directions.

00:15:28.420 There's precisely zero relevant information being disclosed to the jury in this testimony,

00:15:33.580 or in indeed much of the testimony in this trial. It's all theater. Did the doctor write

00:15:38.820 in her notes that Clancy had pressured speech or not pressured speech? Was there supposed to be a

00:15:44.120 comma there or not. Does any of this matter? And pressured speech, by the way, I think means like

00:15:50.220 someone who's sort of frantic and hyper and talking a lot, like talking fast, talking a lot.

00:15:56.980 There are a lot of people I would describe that way. There are podcast hosts who, if they walked

00:16:01.540 into a strength's office, would get a diagnosis immediately of pressured speech. The distinction

00:16:06.320 doesn't matter. And that's especially true in this case when the doctor is telling the lawyer

00:16:10.940 how to interpret the note based on her observations,

00:16:13.160 but I guess we're supposed to conclude

00:16:14.960 that this is some kind of gotcha moment

00:16:16.360 because everybody's supposed to pretend

00:16:17.540 that pressured speech is an actual clue,

00:16:19.400 like finding fingerprints on a murder weapon. 0.97

00:16:22.460 It's ludicrous.

00:16:24.880 You know, the field of psychiatry 0.74

00:16:26.120 has been allowed to fester unabated for decades 1.00

00:16:28.180 without anybody telling these shrinks to get a real job 1.00

00:16:30.460 as they just make stuff up constantly. 1.00

00:16:32.780 And this is the result.

00:16:34.920 The more relevant testimony concerned Clancy's response

00:16:37.360 to taking the SSRI known as Zoloft

00:16:40.060 when the doctor prescribed it.

00:16:42.800 Watch.

00:16:44.580 So when did she actually take the Zoloft?

00:16:59.340 She told me in her October 20th visit

00:17:03.480 that she had taken it one week prior.

00:17:05.900 And she told you that when she increased it

00:17:08.560 In accordance with your instructions, she went off the rails, right?

00:17:14.060 I don't think she used those words, but she had side effects.

00:17:17.440 What words did she use for you as her doctor?

00:17:20.900 She felt awful.

00:17:22.700 Awful. Why did she feel awful?

00:17:25.420 Did she have a stomach ache? Did she have a headache?

00:17:27.620 Why did she feel awful?

00:17:29.300 She did have some stomach aches.

00:17:31.180 She had some diarrhea and had a difficult time eating.

00:17:35.860 She also had increased anxiety.

00:17:39.260 She had some more depressed feelings.

00:17:42.760 She had more difficulty sleeping.

00:17:47.620 And what was your advice to her as her doctor on the 28th of October

00:17:52.200 after she told you about the effect of Zoloft's head on her?

00:17:56.220 I told her to stop it, stop the medication.

00:18:00.820 Well, this, by the way, is a common experience for women, 0.92

00:18:03.340 particularly with careers like Clancy.

00:18:05.400 To a staggering degree, women are being prescribed SSRIs as a first line of defense against any problems they might be dealing with.

00:18:13.380 And the results have not been good, to put it mildly.

00:18:16.140 This is from the Institute for Family Studies.

00:18:17.940 Quote, stay-at-home mothers are less likely to have experienced a major depressive episode, about two-thirds as likely, in fact, than women who are not stay-at-home moms.

00:18:25.620 32% of stay-at-home mothers have taken a psychotherapeutic medication in the past year, while 38% of non-stay-at-home mothers have.

00:18:33.180 By far, women who are not stay-at-home mothers are the most copious users of prescription pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants, or sedatives.

00:18:42.660 So to restate, 32% of stay-at-home moms and 38% of working moms are on psychiatric meds.

00:18:50.960 A third of all moms, working or not, are on some kind of psychotropic drug.

00:18:56.980 That is nothing short of cataclysmic.

00:18:59.840 Big pharma and the psychiatric industry are turning the whole country into drug addicts,

00:19:04.620 and nobody's doing anything about it.

00:19:06.700 And the numbers are nearly as bad for men when you look at that.

00:19:11.740 As a side note, one thing to keep in mind when you see reports about alcohol use declining

00:19:16.360 is not only that lots of people have swapped booze for weed,

00:19:20.020 but also many more people are using psychiatric meds to calm themselves down and handle stress at the end of the day.

00:19:26.800 We are not in any way even remotely a more sober society today than we were back when everybody was drinking booze.

00:19:34.760 We traded one substance for myriad other substances that mess with your mind much more deeply and in ways that we don't even understand.

00:19:43.780 And what's even more extraordinary about these numbers is that the doctors prescribing these psychoactive medications have no idea how the drugs work.

00:19:53.340 Here's more testimony from Clancy's psychiatrist, for example.

00:19:58.460 Would you agree with me that prior to telling her to stop the Zoloft,

00:20:03.300 that one of the concerns that you had is that Zoloft affects anxiety and affects sleep,

00:20:07.920 and you hope that it treats the underlying anxiety by balancing brain chemistry

00:20:12.620 and increasing serotonin, right?

00:20:16.540 Yes.

00:20:17.240 Is that fair?

00:20:17.560 And you'd agree with me that it does, as a side effect, have an impact on a person's

00:20:24.560 falling asleep or staying asleep as a common side effect, right?

00:20:29.560 It can happen.

00:20:31.560 It doesn't happen to everyone, but it certainly happens to some.

00:20:34.560 But it is temporary.

00:20:36.560 That's the important distinction.

00:20:39.560 So she stated on the stand that she was prescribing SSRIs to correct the serotonin imbalance that

00:20:46.560 that she believed was taking place in Clancy's brain.

00:20:49.380 There's just one problem, and it's a pretty big one.

00:20:50.960 As we've discussed many times on the show,

00:20:52.800 the serotonin imbalance theory of depression has been completely abandoned.

00:20:58.420 There was a paper about it in Nature.

00:21:00.160 This is well established.

00:21:01.340 The theory has long since been debunked.

00:21:03.700 It's not real.

00:21:05.280 Quote,

00:21:05.520 The general public widely believes that depression has been convincingly demonstrated

00:21:08.480 to be the result of serotonin or other chemical abnormalities.

00:21:11.120 The huge research effort based on the serotonin hypothesis

00:21:14.120 says, has not produced convincing evidence of a biochemical basis to depression. This is

00:21:20.420 consistent with research on many other biological markers. We suggest it is time to acknowledge

00:21:24.200 that the serotonin theory of depression is not empirically substantiated. Okay, that was in 2022.

00:21:31.040 And in 2026, we're still hearing from doctors on the witness stand about how a lack of serotonin

00:21:36.620 is linked to depression. It's not. And then after all this, she puts Clancy back on Zoloft

00:21:42.160 a few months later now it's hard to come away from this testimony without concluding that the

00:21:47.660 entire psychiatric industry needs to be shut down as it continues there's more consternation about

00:21:53.400 her notes and the strategies she used in talk therapy to calm clancy down uh it's all just

00:21:59.200 pseudoscience. Watch. So I provided emotional support and validation and encouragement.

00:22:12.580 What does that mean? Um, something like, I, I understand this is a very difficult time.

00:22:21.320 it really you know it varies on the individual sure how about lindsey i don't remember the exact

00:22:30.620 therapeutic words that i used okay how long did you give a third how long therapy validation and

00:22:37.860 all that stuff i i don't remember exactly the duration be about 10 minutes maybe through the

00:22:46.040 television right through the computer

00:22:51.320 she kind of waves her hands around and says that she just, you know, she's describing the 10 minutes

00:22:56.740 of emotional support and validation she provided. Validation. Validation is, you know, this is a

00:23:03.980 good indication that this is all pseudoscience. It's not real medicine. As much as we're told

00:23:08.620 that like these are real doctors and they're treating real, like real illnesses, real diseases.

00:23:14.680 Okay. Well, in what scenario can you treat a real disease with validation? In one of the

00:23:21.000 scenario, can you go to the doctor with an actual disease, and the way to treat the disease is just

00:23:27.060 by acknowledging that it exists? You go to the doctor and say, hey, doc, you know, I have cancer.

00:23:34.660 You do have cancer. I validate that. Anyway, that's it. Go pay your bill at the front.

00:23:43.180 That doesn't work that way with any real disease, but it does. That's how it works in psychiatric

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00:25:56.440 An important point in this trial, which has a lot of relevance for the broader problem of

00:26:00.200 over-medicated women, is that Clancy had multiple providers, at least five by my count,

00:26:05.120 and she was on a lot of different medication. She was actually prescribed many more drugs than she 0.98

00:26:11.620 took. She often didn't complete the full course of medication and that's a point relevant for

00:26:16.560 and inconvenient to her defense. Yes, she was prescribed a bunch of meds, but she didn't

00:26:22.100 actually take most of it. Still, there were far too many prescriptions being written and that's

00:26:27.160 an understatement. A psychiatrist named Nicholas Badre put together this chart which shows the

00:26:33.060 extent to which Clancy was being medicated. In total, she was on around 14 different medications

00:26:38.700 in four months. So she was being over-prescribed by a rotating cast of providers to an extreme

00:26:43.400 degree. And as he points out, most of the drugs were intended to help her sleep. Ativan, Benadryl,

00:26:49.500 low-dose Trazodone, Klonopin, Ambien. But Badre notes that the Seroquel that she was on was,

00:26:58.240 ultimately increased to 200 milligrams, the dose range where anti-psychotic activity becomes

00:27:03.580 relevant. Clancy's ex-husband, who she sent out on errands while she committed the murders,

00:27:08.760 testified about the effects of some of these drugs. Watch.

00:27:14.580 Did Dr. Gelata, to your knowledge, put her on medication?

00:27:19.000 Yeah.

00:27:19.500 And what was the medication, if you know?

00:27:21.360 uh mainly seroquil and um benzodiazepines ativan no benzodiazepines um they're addictive right

00:27:34.460 apparently

00:27:35.880 objection i'll allow it um and and a benzo would be for example ativan correct correct now um

00:27:47.460 And Seroquel, she was placed on Seroquel as well, is that correct?

00:27:52.400 Right.

00:27:53.180 And to your observation, again, you're not a doctor, what you saw of your wife,

00:27:57.920 was she affected positively or negatively by the Seroquel that she was on?

00:28:04.820 It appeared that she was affected very negatively,

00:28:07.880 and she's reporting that she was getting worse on the Seroquel.

00:28:12.920 And do you know, did she report that to Dr. Gelata?

00:28:17.260 Yeah.

00:28:17.840 Was there a number of occasions that you would actually see her on the sofa rocking back and forth with her head under a pillow?

00:28:25.540 Yeah.

00:28:26.560 Did you report that and other symptoms to Dr. Gelata?

00:28:30.120 Lindsay did.

00:28:32.740 Now, what's absurd, or one of the many absurd things anyway, about all the Internet theories that this guy somehow committed the murders himself, and we'll get to that in a little bit, is that he's actually helping her case.

00:28:44.600 I mean, if he really orchestrated the murder and framed her somehow, he'd obviously want her to take the fall.

00:28:49.740 But in this case, he's helping her make the argument that the drugs made her do it.

00:28:54.360 Separately, he talks about how normal she seemed at various points, including shortly before the murders.

00:28:59.780 Watch.

00:29:01.500 Again, September 1st of 22.

00:29:04.440 Remember when that was taken?

00:29:06.960 Yeah, that's with Callan and Dawson.

00:29:09.520 Was that your yard?

00:29:10.700 That's in the backyard.

00:29:11.540 Backyard, okay.

00:29:12.660 And this would have been September of 22, obviously right before 23, right?

00:29:19.260 Right.

00:29:24.640 And again, for this one here, July of 22, can you tell me, Jerez, you guys had a pretty good summer that year?

00:29:33.780 It was a good summer, yeah. That was on Cape Cod.

00:29:36.700 This picture was on Cape Cod?

00:29:38.500 Yeah.

00:29:42.660 Well, again, who knows what they're proving here?

00:29:44.760 I mean, okay, she took happy pictures before she killed her family.

00:29:49.780 So?

00:29:50.760 I mean, you could pull up the Facebook feed of pretty much any first-degree murder suspect

00:29:54.280 and find periods where they seemed completely normal and happy and were smiling.

00:29:58.700 Even just moments before the murder, that's not unusual at all.

00:30:03.140 Some of them are happy during the murder, some of them afterwards.

00:30:06.340 The fact that this woman had extreme mood swings does not demonstrate that the drugs were partially responsible.

00:30:11.340 They might have been.

00:30:12.660 We really have no idea. No one, including these experts, has any idea what these psychoactive

00:30:17.860 drugs are doing to the brain. That's a reason to avoid taking them. And it's a reason to throw

00:30:24.020 this woman in prison because whether the drugs affected her mindset or not, she ultimately made 1.00

00:30:28.880 the decision to murder her own children. Therefore, she cannot be allowed in society ever again. She

00:30:34.520 simply cannot be trusted around anyone, especially children. Now, I'm very sympathetic to the idea

00:30:40.460 the drugs may have messed with Clancy's mind, making her even more unbalanced than she already

00:30:44.980 was. As I said, the drugs might even be partially responsible. That doesn't mean that she should

00:30:51.060 ever see the outside of a prison cell ever again. She still murdered her children. She herself, 1.00

00:30:56.260 Lindsay Clancy, that particular human, went into her basement and strangled her kids to death. 0.97

00:31:01.660 She did that. Nobody else did it. She did it. And she must pay for it. If her doctors share some 0.99

00:31:08.760 blame, and maybe they do, then they should be tossed in the prison cell right next to her.

00:31:12.720 If Big Pharma shares some blame, and they almost certainly do, then Big Pharma execs should be

00:31:17.360 dragged into prison in handcuffs and leg irons. That sounds good to me. The more the merrier.

00:31:22.940 But Lindsay Clancy, the killer of children, must pay for her crimes that she committed. 0.85

00:31:29.780 That is the only reasonable takeaway from this sordid, seemingly endless trial. The psychiatric

00:31:35.220 industry is a sham. They have no idea what they're doing. People, especially women, are far

00:31:40.540 too reliant on these medications. And when it comes to Clancy, none of that matters because

00:31:44.680 she is a murderer. At least to the extent it does matter, it does not vindicate her or exonerate her

00:31:51.040 or change the simple and terrible fact that she herself murdered her kids. So the verdict should

00:31:56.240 be guilty and we shouldn't have to talk about this monster ever again. But if you ask women 1.00

00:32:02.620 on the internet about this case, there's a good chance you'll hear a very different takeaway.

00:32:06.240 The Lindsay Clancy case, like the cases involving Karen Reed and Tyler Robinson and many others,

00:32:10.880 has become a phenomenon among women, particularly on social media. There are many women who have 0.79

00:32:15.280 rallied to Clancy's defense on the basis of her insanity defense. On social media, you'll find

00:32:20.700 countless posts like this one from a woman named Katie, who identifies herself as a former

00:32:25.300 prosecutor and says, I was a prosecutor for 12 years, eight of them doing crimes against children.

00:32:29.960 Lindsay Clancy is a file I would have left on my boss's desk and said, find someone else for this

00:32:34.880 one. It won't be me. Just saying. And this post is thousands of likes. Katie goes on in the comments

00:32:41.140 to say that Clancy is not responsible for murdering her own kids because she, quote, begged for help 0.74

00:32:46.400 and tried to get it. Katie says that Clancy spiraled into darkness. You hear this a lot,

00:32:54.000 by the way. She was begging for help. She was trying to get help. OK, good for her. So she 0.61

00:32:58.840 didn't get help, so she killed her kids. My sympathy for you, like, it's very simple. The

00:33:05.600 moment you kill a child, my sympathy for you evaporates. Prior to that, if you're looking 0.99

00:33:16.380 for help and you're experiencing something psychologically, I have a lot of sympathy for

00:33:19.840 you. The moment you do that, I don't give a damn about that. Oh, she needed help. Too bad.

00:33:27.080 Too bad. She should rot in prison. Let's give her that help. Rot in a jail cell until you die. 1.00

00:33:35.280 How about that? You killed a child, three of them, your own. There is no point. I don't care 1.00

00:33:43.140 if you're begging for help for 50 years. I don't care if you never get help. I don't care if every

00:33:48.280 single person you ask for help looks at you and flips you the middle finger and says, get out of 1.00

00:33:52.760 here, go to hell. It still would not even come one inch in the direction of justifying 0.99

00:33:59.640 murdering your kids. Obviously. Now, it may be true that Clancy spiraled into darkness, 0.99

00:34:12.680 but someone should inform Katie, the alleged prosecutor, that literally every murderer ever

00:34:17.660 in history has spiraled into darkness. Murder is not something that you tend to do if your mind

00:34:24.560 is in a bright, clear, and happy place. No matter how Clancy was feeling, she killed her kids. 0.87

00:34:31.140 Even if it's true that Clancy heard a voice telling her to kill her kids, which is what

00:34:34.540 she claims, and it's something that can never be proven or disproven anyway. Oh, a voice told me

00:34:40.060 to do it. Okay. So you say. I mean, we don't know if that's true. And even if it is, you still

00:34:47.520 chose to kill your kids. Even if you do hallucinate a voice telling you to murder your 1.00

00:34:52.200 whole family, the correct response to the voice is to decline to follow the commands of the

00:34:58.900 hallucinated voice. What if a real voice told you to kill your kids? Would that make it okay? Would 0.99

00:35:03.680 that make you not guilty? In fact, if an actual person told you to kill your kids and put a 1.00

00:35:09.840 literal gun to your head, you would still have the choice to not follow that command, 0.99

00:35:17.220 even at the penalty of death. And moreover, as a society, we would expect you to resist 0.98

00:35:24.640 that command, even to the point of sacrificing your life, rather than intentionally harming

00:35:30.620 your own children. And we should expect that. And again, I have to point out that there have

00:35:38.820 been plenty of cases of men killing their families. And the men in those cases are significantly less

00:35:45.760 likely to get away with an insanity to defense. And they almost never have the women of the 0.79

00:35:51.760 internet rallying to their defense. Okay, the Katie's of the world are not stepping up to argue 0.77

00:35:58.720 that Joe Smith, the family killer, was in a dark place. He was asking for help. He felt really sad.

00:36:05.780 It wasn't his fault. When's the last time the women of the internet ever did that? Can you 1.00

00:36:10.380 think of an example of a guy who killed his family and the women of TikTok are, oh, he was asking for

00:36:16.980 help. He's the victim here. No, they only tend to have that kind of sympathy for other women.

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00:37:12.220 There's one other point about the insanity defense that is rarely made, so I want to make it here.

00:37:17.200 The insanity defense, indeed the concept of insanity itself and its implications,

00:37:21.920 is as much a philosophical and existential question as it is a medical one.

00:37:26.800 So when you claim that a woman who murdered her children is not responsible for the crime she committed,

00:37:32.100 when you say, as I believe even her husband has said numerous times,

00:37:36.140 that it wasn't really her who did the thing,

00:37:39.540 you're making a profound claim not just about the nature of psychiatric conditions,

00:37:43.740 but about the nature of the self.

00:37:46.640 Because if it wasn't really Lindsay Clancy who did what Lindsay Clancy did,

00:37:50.560 then who was it? It was her body doing the strangling. It was her arms, her hands, 0.97

00:37:57.780 her eyes that looked into her children's eyes as they stared at her in terror and confusion.

00:38:04.160 And she did it intentionally. She did it deliberately, even with forethought. She

00:38:07.780 wasn't sleepwalking. She wasn't otherwise unconscious. Was that not her self-acting?

00:38:13.180 What other self could it be? I mean, what do you mean it's not her? Who is it?

00:38:17.700 You seem to be positing the existence of some kind of other self, some alien self,

00:38:22.920 which was acting within Clancy's body while her real self, whatever that means,

00:38:27.280 lay dormant in some mysterious corner of her subconscious.

00:38:30.740 Well, I find that whole idea, the entire concept, incoherent.

00:38:36.600 I don't think it means anything.

00:38:38.420 And I don't think any of you can explain what it means.

00:38:40.580 It wasn't really her.

00:38:41.380 What do you mean by that?

00:38:42.360 What do you mean by that?

00:38:43.760 Explain exactly.

00:38:44.780 explain exactly, precisely how a person can do something and yet it wasn't them doing it.

00:38:53.480 That is nonsense. Okay. That is like, you know, a married bachelor. Okay. That's, it's, it's a,

00:39:00.400 it is literally nonsensical. Now our laws are not even consistent on this point. If a man gets

00:39:10.660 drunk and sits behind the wheel of a car or a woman and then causes a fatal accident, he'll be

00:39:16.860 held entirely culpable for it and be punished accordingly and deservedly so. In fact, in fact,

00:39:22.660 a drunk man who causes an accident will be punished more severely. He will face a greater

00:39:31.080 punishment, not a lesser one, than a sober man. Yet the drunk man, we all agree, was not in his

00:39:38.180 right mind. His mental capacities were certainly diminished. He was acting in ways that he would

00:39:42.300 not have otherwise acted. If there is such a thing as a real self, then his real self, that is his

00:39:48.900 sober, rational, competent self, was not really involved in the accident. His inebriated, mentally

00:39:54.640 compromised, deluded, confused self was. And yet we still hold him completely responsible.

00:40:01.960 I mean, he may wake up the next morning and not even remember the accident. He might have been

00:40:06.220 literally blackout drunk. And yet we still will send him to prison to serve a punishment for a

00:40:12.920 crime he has no memory of committing. Now, you might argue that, well, the drunk man chose to

00:40:19.780 get drunk. That's the difference. But so what? If the idea is that we can't hold people accountable

00:40:23.280 for awful crimes committed when they were in a state of psychological derangement, then all that

00:40:27.420 matters is their state of mind in that particular moment. Choices made prior to that moment are

00:40:33.380 irrelevant. That, in fact, is exactly what is being explicitly argued in the case of Lindsey

00:40:39.060 Clancy or any other temporary insanity case. And besides, most people today would say that

00:40:45.160 alcoholism is a disease anyway. So did he actually choose to get drunk? I mean this all as devil's

00:40:52.780 advocate. I absolutely believe that we should throw the book at drunk drivers, but I apply

00:40:56.240 the same logic to people allegedly intoxicated on psych meds or on their own mental delusions

00:41:01.840 or on hormones from pregnancy or anything else.

00:41:07.660 Recently, a woman in California avoided prison time completely 0.94

00:41:10.660 after stabbing her boyfriend a hundred times, killing him.

00:41:14.780 And the judge decided that she was the victim of cannabis-induced psychosis.

00:41:19.860 She was not herself, you see. She was not in her right mind.

00:41:22.920 Even though she chose to pack a bong with weed and smoke it.

00:41:27.080 So there is no consistency at all in how this idea of temporary psychological impairment is applied in court. 0.74

00:41:36.740 The only consistent theme is that women are much more likely to be the beneficiaries of it.

00:41:43.900 But back to Clancy.

00:41:45.720 The sympathy for this child killer goes even deeper.

00:41:48.300 In fact, in this case, as in other recent cases, it's turned into its own kind of tick-tock psychosis. 0.74

00:41:53.540 women and a relatively small number of men, most of them probably gay, are spending hours 0.57

00:41:57.960 dissecting the case, looking for evidence of a vast conspiracy that proves Lindsay Clancy is

00:42:03.040 not, is actually entirely innocent. Not just innocent by reason of insanity, but actually

00:42:08.100 innocent, as in she didn't commit the crime at all. And I don't think this phenomenon is entirely

00:42:13.000 unrelated to the fact that many women are hopped up on psychoactive drugs, by the way. When you're

00:42:17.800 giving mind-altering substances to a third of women and women suddenly become interested in

00:42:22.020 psychotic theories while maybe there's something to explore there. Most of these deranged theories 0.96

00:42:27.260 conclude, based on fake evidence and immense logical leaps, that her ex-husband is really

00:42:31.420 responsible. You'll find women claiming that the voice that Clancy claims to have heard in her head

00:42:36.240 was, in fact, the voice of her ex-husband. So they're writing these, like, movie scripts

00:42:41.940 in their minds. Here's one example. No, because what in the Chris Watts is happening right now?

00:42:49.700 Welcome back to another episode of Creepy Corner with Ken. If you are a true crime lover then I

00:42:53.900 know you have been seeing everything about this Lindsay Clancy case and we're going to talk about

00:42:58.060 why I think and know allegedly allegedly Patrick did it not her. It was her husband 100% but let's

00:43:06.480 get into it. I have a bunch of notes on my computer here that I'm going to be looking at because I

00:43:09.880 didn't want to miss anything I found important so let's start with number one. This one really just

00:43:14.680 kind of pissed me off more than anything and it's that stupid doctor that went on the stand to 1.00

00:43:18.360 testify. All this doctor kept saying was, I don't recall. I don't recall. I don't know. It got so 1.00

00:43:23.360 ridiculous to the point that Kevin Reddington, the guy that was asking her these questions, was like, 0.83

00:43:27.340 ma'am, you know you're on a murder trial, right? Like, did you not even look at your notes? Like, 0.94

00:43:31.680 hello? What are we doing? Seems suspicious. I don't like it. And allegedly, she has some ties

00:43:36.300 with Patrick's new wife, but we'll get into that in a minute. Number two, they said that her body

00:43:40.200 temperature when the medics got there was at 82 degrees. And so many doctors here on TikTok have

00:43:45.280 talked about how that's almost impossible for even a dead body to get to 82 degrees within 55 minutes 1.00

00:43:51.460 that doesn't add up now these women are so smug like i can't even take these videos um this is 0.99

00:44:02.400 just very it's like a very difficult thing to discuss and uh and do the research to talk about

00:44:07.820 first of all because of the because of the crime itself which is horrifying but also 1.00

00:44:11.380 these women are so mind-numbingly stupid and smug. These dumb women on TikTok. That doesn't 1.00

00:44:22.300 add up. Sorry, that doesn't add up. I know. I know exactly. I've watched some TikTok videos

00:44:31.780 and I know exactly what's happening here. I'll tell you. The first point she makes has nothing

00:44:37.460 to do with whether Clancy committed the murders. Yes, as we discussed, the psychiatrist is an

00:44:41.100 unimpressive witness. Most psychiatrists are unimpressive. That's part of the profession.

00:44:44.820 That doesn't mean Clancy's husband framed her for murder. And as for the second point about the body

00:44:48.460 being too cold, this is something you'll hear a lot on social media. All the TikTok doctors are

00:44:53.320 weighing in. The idea is that the official narrative doesn't make sense because Clancy's

00:44:58.080 body, after she jumped outside the second story window and crumped on the ground, was far too cold

00:45:02.980 for the time that she spent on the ground. And therefore, she must have spent much longer on

00:45:06.220 the ground than the prosecutors are claiming, which means the murders may have happened at a

00:45:09.160 different time, which means the husband is guilty. Here's another example of this just

00:45:16.280 profoundly stupid argument. Things are really starting to not add up, specifically her body 1.00

00:45:25.360 temperature. Even if Lindsay went out the window the moment Patrick drove away, which obviously

00:45:31.460 didn't happen, that means she would have been laying in the snow for 55 minutes. How did her

00:45:36.380 body temperature dropped 16 degrees in less than an hour. I've spoken to many ICU nurses about this, 0.99

00:45:43.500 one of them being my cousin. It's physically impossible. One nurse that I spoke to said she

00:45:48.480 literally cared for someone who passed out in the snow, cold drunk in three degree weather for three

00:45:55.160 hours and their temperature only dropped down to 88 degrees. But this woman laying in the snow, 0.83

00:46:01.160 Even with a spinal injury for less than an hour, it's down to 82 degrees.

00:46:05.980 I don't know, guys.

00:46:06.980 Timeline's not making sense for me.

00:46:08.800 Never mind the other major inconsistencies that I'm starting to see.

00:46:13.160 But the body temperature seems the most perplexing.

00:46:18.700 I want all these people deported.

00:46:21.160 I can't share a country with people like this. 0.86

00:46:22.980 We can't do it. 1.00

00:46:23.920 It's the stupidity. 1.00

00:46:26.740 You brain-dead clowns. 1.00

00:46:28.800 Your brains are mush. 1.00

00:46:31.160 You, you, you, you're a sea cucumber. Okay. You're barely sentient. 1.00

00:46:37.960 We cannot, none of these people should be allowed to vote.

00:46:42.060 None of them should be allowed to be in the country.

00:46:46.940 We can't do it. We can't share a country with these people. 0.53

00:46:51.340 Oh, this, this random guy talked to a nurse. He lit, he literally talked to a nurse guys.

00:46:57.120 I talked to a nurse. Okay. I'll tell you what that I know. Discard everything that everyone

00:47:03.800 else has said, like in court and all the forensics and all the detectives. No, I talked to a nurse,

00:47:08.940 you guys. And the nurse literally said that the body was too cold. Hang on, everyone. Hang on.

00:47:17.300 Stop the trial. Stop it. Shut it all down. This guy talked to a nurse. Hang on. Stop everything.

00:47:24.380 Run into the courtrooms. Shut it all down, everybody. Your Honor, Your Honor, Your Honor.

00:47:29.240 This, no, no, no, hang on a second. Hang on. This guy talked to a nurse. Yes, this unnamed nurse who

00:47:35.720 spoke to this unknown guy on TikTok anonymously is a more reliable expert than every doctor,

00:47:40.520 law enforcement officer, and every other expert involved in the trial.

00:47:45.120 Why should we believe that? Who knows? Because, just because, this is very common on social

00:47:51.760 media now, of course. The internet sleuths get together. They reject the theory of the case that

00:47:55.900 all of the evidence points to. They concoct a new theory with much less evidence or none at all.

00:48:01.400 And they assert that the new theory is somehow more credible,

00:48:05.340 despite being based on evidence that is astronomically worse and less credible by every metric.

00:48:13.380 Recently, our company's softball team lost the big game by one run. Then Dale tried to console

00:48:19.200 us with the quote, winning isn't everything. Well, Dale and I are very different. I get early

00:48:26.280 payout from Bet365. If my team goes up big, I get paid out instantly, even if they blow the lead

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00:48:37.760 responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone

00:48:40.360 close to you, please go to connexontario.ca and see supply. Now, the thing is, when somebody jumps

00:48:45.060 from a second-story window and sustains a spinal injury, as Clancy did. All kinds of things can go

00:48:49.540 wrong in the body. You might lose your ability to shiver, for example. Your blood vessels might

00:48:53.240 not be able to narrow and constrict. These are major ways that your body preserves heat when

00:48:57.620 you're out in the cold. And before long, if you don't have those basic mechanisms, you get a lot

00:49:01.020 colder than normal. Blood loss has the same effect. These are all things that I found from a little

00:49:06.200 bit of research, but I am not an authority on the subject of how long it takes for a body to lose

00:49:10.660 heat after somebody jumps out of a window. In fact, I never even thought about that question

00:49:15.420 until this very moment. And the same is true for every TikTok detective. All of these dumbasses

00:49:23.500 never even considered any of this until right now. They know nothing about it. They have no 1.00

00:49:30.200 relevant base of knowledge at all. And yet they suddenly know enough to dismiss every piece of

00:49:37.120 evidence being presented in court, evidence the defense itself does not dispute. In fact,

00:49:42.860 these TikTok detectives are so brilliant, they're such geniuses, that they apparently have a better

00:49:48.280 understanding of who killed Lindsey Clancy's kids than Lindsey Clancy does. Because Lindsey Clancy

00:49:53.780 again confessed. And there's a lot of that going around too, as you noticed. The Tyler Robinson

00:50:00.200 case is an example that springs to everybody's mind. That's yet another case where the defendant

00:50:05.680 confessed, admitted their own guilt, and yet the internet detectives believe that they are

00:50:11.640 greater authorities on the defendant's guilt or innocence than the defendant himself.

00:50:18.060 So in this case, the TikTok doctors have it all figured out. Even though there's been no

00:50:22.740 testimony in this case to support their theory, they're confidently telling the audience that

00:50:26.400 indeed the official narrative is impossible because the body was too cold. And the hysteria

00:50:31.120 continues from there. Watch. Number three, Patrick claims that when he went to CVS, which is three

00:50:36.600 minutes away from their house, that he called his wife, Lindsay, asked if it was okay to buy the

00:50:41.260 off-brand of Laxifs because the name brand wasn't in stock. However, they've been showing us footage

00:50:46.160 of the CVS and where he was standing, and it looks pretty stock to me, but whatever. But here's why

00:50:51.480 this is interesting to me, because he claims that he talked on the phone with her about this, and

00:50:55.300 she said that the off-brand was fine. Now, when she jumps out of the window from their room, her

00:50:59.520 thyroid had been crushed and so she wasn't able to speak to them but somehow this man not only

00:51:04.040 spoke to his wife on the phone about the laxatives but that when he found her outside he went up to

00:51:09.220 her and said what happened and she responded with I tried to myself and then when he asked her where

00:51:14.900 the kids she said another whole sentence and said the kids are in the basement her thyroid was

00:51:20.020 crushed and she wasn't able to speak so how were you speaking to her in all of this another thing

00:51:24.560 is that she only had a limited amount of time to do this because he was just going to the CVS to

00:51:28.220 get food and back. So I find it hard to believe that during this limited amount of time she picked

00:51:32.780 up the phone to talk to you about the laxative while she's trying to murder her three kids and

00:51:37.760 herself. Another thing that didn't make sense to me about her being a certified nurse was something 1.00

00:51:41.920 that they're saying that she did was that when she went to cut her wrist that she cut horizontally.

00:51:46.960 Now a nurse would know if they wanted to get the job done to do it vertically but hers were found

00:51:51.000 horizontally. Once again it's giving someone that knows nothing about any of this. Now let's focus 0.96

00:51:55.360 a little bit more on her jumping out of the window and what that entailed. The main thing you need to 0.80

00:51:59.620 know is that this woman did not jump out the window, okay? She was dangled by her feet. I think

00:52:05.140 this because of two different things. One, they were investigating the crime scene. They found

00:52:09.460 these two blood spots on the side of the house. Didn't make sense at first, but when you picture

00:52:14.100 Patrick dangling her by her legs out this window, it makes perfect sense where two blood spots would

00:52:19.420 be on that wall if she's dangling. Number two, when they found her, her head was closest to the

00:52:24.760 side of the house and her feet were the furthest from the house which wouldn't make sense if someone

00:52:28.820 is like jumping out the window they would be head furthest away with their feet towards the house

00:52:33.620 and also they would be on their stomach she was found on her back with her head closest to the

00:52:38.560 house and that only makes sense if he was dangling her outside of the window another thing that's

00:52:42.940 suspicious is that it shows that he sent an email out from his house at 5 24 p.m which doesn't make

00:52:49.580 sense because he said he left his house at 5 15. how are you sending an email out also also they

00:52:55.220 have nanny cams in this house but you guessed it nanny cams weren't working due to no wi-fi but

00:53:00.980 that's weird because you must have had wi-fi to send your email out at 5 24 at your house it's

00:53:06.620 not adding up patrick if none of that convinced you at all this man got married four months after

00:53:11.200 this yeah and has a new baby already that's weird that's weird i was

00:53:19.380 You know, what's weird is that you are able to breathe and talk.

00:53:23.200 What's weird is that you're able to tie your shoes.

00:53:28.620 And we want to dismiss this kind of thing, but like these videos have like millions of views, thousands of women watching them, like taking notes.

00:53:39.040 Oh, my gosh, that's an interesting. 1.00

00:53:42.020 Get out of my country.

00:53:43.360 I don't know.

00:53:43.980 I get out of my country. 1.00

00:53:45.600 You are a wart on the ass of society. 1.00

00:53:48.400 uh you are stupid and bad you know these are also bad people because on top of all this like this 1.00

00:53:56.020 is also a case where three children were brutally murdered and uh you are turning it into like 1.00

00:54:04.220 it's entertainment for you you're treating it like it's uh you know like it's a netflix show

00:54:09.800 not to mention implicating an innocent man based on nothing like his children were killed 1.00

00:54:16.400 you scum his children he lost three children and you're like i think he did it no you're scum 1.00

00:54:22.380 that's what you are anyway uh the last part isn't even remotely true by the way well everything she 1.00

00:54:29.540 said is true she'd say clancy's husband got remarried three years after the murder not four

00:54:33.600 years or not four months pretty pretty big fact to get wrong and even if he got married the next

00:54:38.520 day that would not be evidence that he committed the murderer lindsey clancy confessed to and

00:54:43.260 And no, he didn't send the email from his home, as far as we know.

00:54:46.700 As the testimony made very clear, he sent emails all the time from his iPhone.

00:54:49.700 People can do that these days, you know.

00:54:51.260 And this particular email, based on the evidence that's been presented, was probably one that

00:54:55.380 was sent from an iPhone.

00:54:56.760 The whole video is like this, as you saw. 1.00

00:54:58.600 It's just an onslaught of stupidity. 1.00

00:55:00.120 This woman apparently found a picture of the CVS, and it was stocked with certain laxatives. 1.00

00:55:04.000 And therefore, there's no way in her mind the laxative was out of stock when the husband

00:55:07.620 called Lindsay to inform her the item was out of stock.

00:55:11.360 So apparently, if an item is in stock at one particular moment in time, it must always be in stock forever.

00:55:17.040 It can never be out of stock.

00:55:18.820 And therefore, he's lying about everything.

00:55:21.860 Again, this is not an argument the defense is making because it's absurd on its face.

00:55:27.260 It doesn't prove that he actually saw that the item was in stock or that it was in stock at that moment he called.

00:55:32.640 But she moves on from this point very quickly because she understands that if you think about it for five seconds, you'll realize it's total nonsense.

00:55:37.400 She also claims at one point that because the husband's DNA was on the exercise bands that were used to strangle the kids, therefore he must have done it.

00:55:45.740 Never mind the fact that it's a common household item that everybody was touching.

00:55:48.260 His DNA could be found on most of the stuff in his house, probably, because it's his house.

00:55:53.200 She moves on to claiming that there's no way Clancy could have confessed to her husband because her throat was crushed from the fall.

00:55:58.240 But again, plenty of reasons why somebody who sustains a serious injury might be able to speak one minute and then be incapacitated afterwards.

00:56:04.660 Swelling is one of them.

00:56:06.240 We have dying declarations for a reason.

00:56:08.200 It's extremely common for people who are gravely injured to lose their ability to speak very quickly.

00:56:12.780 But again, we're meant to conclude that this is simply impossible.

00:56:15.180 Never mind the fact that Clancy can speak now.

00:56:17.540 She can speak now, but she's still refusing to identify her husband as the perpetrator.

00:56:21.960 Instead, she is now herself who can speak, admitting her guilt.

00:56:26.880 Then she makes the extraordinary claim that Clancy couldn't have really tried to kill herself

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00:56:33.040 And as a nurse, she would have known the right way to do it.

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00:57:41.880 So understand what's happening here. 1.00

00:57:43.480 We have a woman who's so psychotic and evil and unstable that she just murdered her own kids one by one in her basement. 0.95

00:57:48.600 She just deceived her husband to get him out of the house while she committed these crimes. 0.97

00:57:52.220 And despite all that, we're supposed to assume, first of all, that she didn't actually intend to kill herself.

00:57:56.560 And secondly, that she couldn't possibly have made a mistake in this deranged, homicidal state of mind.

00:58:02.380 There's just no way that she wouldn't have slashed her wrists at the ideal angle.

00:58:08.180 Therefore, there's a vast conspiracy and the husband did it.

00:58:12.020 This is not idle speculation, by the way.

00:58:14.260 Again, accusing a man of murder without any evidence is despicable. 1.00

00:58:17.360 If you're watching this garbage content yourself, you are just as culpable as this vulture. 0.99

00:58:25.420 And I'm not even going to discuss her retarded theory about how the woman must have been dangling from the house because of the blood spots that were found on the outside wall. 1.00

00:58:34.040 Or if she jumped out of a window, she would have landed on her stomach. 0.98

00:58:37.460 What?

00:58:39.180 Where are you getting that from?

00:58:40.900 It's impossible for someone to jump out of a window and land on their back.

00:58:44.340 What?

00:58:46.400 You just made that up. 0.56

00:58:50.060 Makes no sense, and we're all dumber for having listened to it, but it's incredibly popular content.

00:58:54.080 That TikTok video is something like 40,000 likes.

00:58:57.240 And believe it or not, it's actually one of the better pieces of Lindsay Clancy content you'll find on social media.

00:59:02.400 Most of these videos don't even bother to lie about the evidence.

00:59:06.620 Here's another one.

00:59:08.660 I think that we are all watching Lindsay Clancy realize she actually didn't kill those kids.

00:59:17.760 Why did he need a GoFundMe?

00:59:20.360 Is he paying for her lawyer?

00:59:22.100 1.7 million dollars for what how much does a funeral cost he is panicking right now he's got

00:59:33.420 a family member in law enforcement the new wife's husband is connected to hollywood he's living in

00:59:39.740 a high rise in manhattan with a new doctor wife and a new baby this man has not shed one tear

00:59:50.360 and Kevin Reddington 0.99

00:59:53.020 Yeah, shut up. 1.00

00:59:55.820 Shut up, you scumbag. 1.00

00:59:57.360 Filth. 1.00

00:59:59.440 Well, there you have it.

01:00:00.380 The ex-husband,

01:00:01.080 notice she talks about the kids,

01:00:02.200 by the way,

01:00:02.580 those effing kids. 0.98

01:00:05.540 The kids were killed. 0.99

01:00:07.760 Those effing kids. 0.53

01:00:11.220 This ex-husband,

01:00:12.180 well, he didn't cry on the stand,

01:00:13.380 so he probably murdered

01:00:14.140 his own kids 0.96

01:00:14.720 and framed his wife.

01:00:15.400 And then he cast a spell on her

01:00:16.820 that forced her to confess.

01:00:19.200 There's another common theme

01:00:20.220 among the TikTok detectives.

01:00:21.660 They formulate wildly implausible alternative theories

01:00:24.320 fueled mainly by the feelings and vibes they get

01:00:26.840 from watching facial expressions.

01:00:29.160 The internet is now suddenly full of body language experts

01:00:32.800 who have the psychic ability to solve murder cases

01:00:35.920 just by looking into somebody's eyes. 0.99

01:00:38.320 That's really what these women think. 1.00

01:00:39.500 Many of them have implicated Erica Kirk 1.00

01:00:40.980 on the same basis, as we know.

01:00:42.780 Something just feels off.

01:00:45.480 Something feels off.

01:00:47.200 I don't know, something feels off.

01:00:50.220 All the forensic evidence, all the witness testimony, all the data on the ground, even 1.00

01:00:54.320 the confession of the murderer, all of that can be dismissed, disregarded, because women

01:01:00.640 on the internet think, something feels off.

01:01:04.160 Something's just off.

01:01:05.720 My spidey sense.

01:01:06.940 You know, I'm a psychic.

01:01:08.080 This is X-Men.

01:01:11.540 Not convinced?

01:01:12.400 Well, on top of that, the police didn't fingerprint anything, she says, at some point in that

01:01:17.380 video.

01:01:17.780 We might have cut off before she said it.

01:01:19.120 Doesn't matter.

01:01:19.560 says they didn't fingerprint anything. Can you imagine that? I mean, it sounds pretty bad,

01:01:23.500 almost like they wanted to frame Lindsay Clancy for murder. And then you realize that actually

01:01:27.240 they did process the entire scene for fingerprints. They didn't recover usable prints from the main

01:01:31.980 pieces of evidence, but that's very different from not fingerprinting anything. And again,

01:01:36.680 this is all moot because she confessed to the crime and her defense has never attempted to

01:01:41.400 argue that she didn't do it. But maybe I'm being too harsh on this woman. I mean, there's even

01:01:46.460 worse content out there if you can imagine it the more you look at these videos the worse they get

01:01:51.740 somehow the bar continues to go lower and lower with each one a large percentage of these videos

01:01:57.100 don't even talk about the case at all they just straight up worship lindsay clancy because she

01:02:00.860 killed her kids watch how many other new england girlies would like to take the day off from work 0.99

01:02:07.180 and drive up to the courthouse to show our support and advocacy for lindsay clancy

01:02:13.100 we ride at dawn seriously like let me know if you're you're down for that i have decided i'm

01:02:19.820 going to send lindsay clancy a letter of encouragement of course i'm not going to

01:02:23.080 mention anything about like the case or anything like that but i did want to write to her and tell

01:02:26.620 her that there are so many women that are out here praying for her i think some words of

01:02:31.420 encouragement might um bring a smile to her i don't know if she's able to receive any mail or

01:02:37.600 not but at least i want to try do you guys think that lindsey clancy is gonna like know about us

01:02:46.100 like that we're all here like standing behind her like is she gonna ever find out about us

01:02:54.440 like her little army like do you think we'll ever become her friends like

01:03:01.040 uh like will she talk to us okay shut up tell me that was a cat in the background not a kid 0.67

01:03:09.380 i don't know i heard something in the background was it a cat or a kid 1.00

01:03:13.300 i would assume cat god i hope these women don't have kids 1.00

01:03:18.220 these women that are like on her side after she murdered her children 1.00

01:03:23.400 that that that's that's startling social media is the worst thing that ever happened to women 0.98

01:03:34.720 I don't know how else to put it I mean there's been a lot of hand-wringing and dire warnings

01:03:39.160 and breathless lectures about how the internet has sent young men down a dark path to extremism

01:03:43.760 and led them into the clutches of you know Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes and whoever but at a certain

01:03:49.040 point, we need to have a very serious conversation about the full-blown psychotic break TikTok and

01:03:56.380 Instagram and other social media apps have provoked in not all but many women. And not 0.53

01:04:02.540 necessarily just young women either. I mean, middle-aged women are spending all day developing 0.98

01:04:05.660 schizophrenic theories about murder cases and posting videos about them and forming communities 0.71

01:04:10.060 of support for mass murderers and child killers. But in a way, at least these are the more honest

01:04:17.220 videos in the genre. These women are at least being transparent about their motives. They 1.00

01:04:21.500 revere Lindsay Clancy because she murdered her children. Because, because she murdered her

01:04:26.200 children. That is the unspoken reality of the Clancy case. Some of her advocates are unstable

01:04:31.480 women with a bad case of TikTok brain, but, but others, you know, there's, there's something else 0.83

01:04:36.760 going on. She is a folk hero among some leftist women because leftist women believe that mothers

01:04:42.880 have the right to execute their children at any point, whether it's the moment of birth or eight

01:04:47.280 months after the fact or five years after the fact. Leftist women don't quite have the political 1.00

01:04:53.320 capital to formally legalize these post-birth abortions, so they'd settle on an alternative 1.00

01:04:57.620 solution, the insanity defense, and it's working out very well for them. That's why Massachusetts,

01:05:03.320 the state where this trial is taking place, it just so happens, just this week passed a law

01:05:07.380 permitting abortion up until the moment of birth. It's not because they believe that children become

01:05:12.400 human once they're born and they aren't before. It's because they want to continue pushing the

01:05:17.180 envelope further and further until post-birth abortion is legal. That is the goal. No matter 0.76

01:05:22.260 what you may hear in the media, the Lindsay Clancy case is not just about postpartum depression. It's

01:05:26.160 not even about SSRIs, at least not in isolation. It's yet another referendum on the legality of

01:05:32.020 post-birth abortion in this country and the lengths that millions of modern American feminists will go 1.00

01:05:37.400 in order to avoid facing the consequences of their own actions. 1.00

01:05:42.020 Quite a few of these feminists truly believe that if their life isn't going well, 1.00

01:05:45.980 a drug can fix it, and if a drug doesn't fix it, maybe murder will. 1.00

01:05:50.000 Is there a constitutional right to execute your own child

01:05:53.360 if they become inconvenient even years after their birth?

01:05:58.140 That's the question.

01:05:59.120 And with the Lindsay Clancy case, at least in the state of Massachusetts,

01:06:03.500 we're about to find out.

01:06:05.740 That'll do the show today. Thanks for watching.

01:06:07.100 Thanks for listening. Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day. Godspeed.

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The Matt Walsh Show - August 12, 2026

Ep. 1821 - The Lindsay Clancy Case Isn’t A ＂Who-Dun-It.＂ Why Are TikTok Moms Pretending It Is？

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