The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 1822 - Debunking The Most Absurd Anti-Alcohol Propaganda

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00:00:30.000 For the first time since the temperance movement of the 19th century, which led to the catastrophe of prohibition, alcohol has once again become a very dirty word in the United States.

00:00:40.460 And it happened pretty suddenly, too. No matter where you look, from podcast to television news to WebMD, you'll find the same message, which is genuinely insane.

00:00:50.480 They'll tell you that any amount of alcohol, no matter how small, will poison you.

00:00:54.360 They'll tell you that you'll get cancer if you drink in addition to destroying your sleep cycle and your will to live.

00:01:01.440 And this message is everywhere.

00:01:04.020 Watch.

00:01:05.280 But of course alcohol is worse than pot.

00:01:08.080 Alcohol is worse than pot.

00:01:09.780 Everything, right?

00:01:10.500 Yeah.

00:01:10.800 Basically, isn't alcohol worse than everything?

00:01:12.720 Yeah.

00:01:13.140 Zero alcohol is better than any.

00:01:15.400 Right.

00:01:15.940 Two drinks maximum for an adult non-alcoholic per week.

00:01:20.040 It's kind of the upper threshold.

00:01:21.300 Week?

00:01:21.920 Per week.

00:01:22.400 Week.

00:01:22.860 What you can do without starting to increase your risk for cancer, increase your, you know, about 5% of all cancers.

00:01:28.100 Business week.

00:01:30.780 About 100,000 cases of cancer each year in the United States are due to alcohol consumption and about 20,000 deaths.

00:01:39.480 This isn't a small problem.

00:01:41.780 Mayo Clinic's Dr. Donald Hendrude says alcohol is the third leading preventable cause of cancer in the U.S. behind tobacco use and obesity.

00:01:50.400 The risk starts with actually relatively low intakes of alcohol over a long period of time.

00:01:56.940 Assuming it once in a while probably isn't going to increase the risk that much.

00:02:00.960 But there are many people who consume it regularly.

00:02:03.380 And there are many people who assume that there are health benefits on the heart.

00:02:07.620 And these benefits probably aren't as strong as what we used to believe.

00:02:12.100 He says when drinking alcohol is combined with tobacco use, the risk of cancer increases significantly.

00:02:17.900 studies have suggested the optimal amount of alcohol for people less than 50 is zero we need

00:02:24.220 to dial back i think a little bit on our alcohol consumption it's one of those areas where you

00:02:28.700 don't understand the hidden cost until you really give it up for a while and and i think about my

00:02:33.740 own relationship with drinking and i stopped drinking at 30 years old i'm now 33 and i had

00:02:38.460 just drank because i just drank i'd never ran the experiment of just giving it up for a while and i

00:02:42.140 and then like i don't know maybe i was at 31 i thought you know i'll have a drink again because

00:02:45.980 now i could really a b test it i had a year of not drinking decided to have a drink again it ruined

00:02:50.700 three days of my life i had a couple of glasses of wine didn't get drunk it ruined three days of

00:02:55.660 my life because of the domino effect it caused so it meant that i got worse sleep that night

00:03:00.300 and then because i got worse sleep that night i ate more poorly the next day because my my

00:03:04.380 dopamine system or whatever the cortisol system was all messed up and then i podcasted worse

00:03:10.060 i didn't go to the gym the day after that that day or the day after because of that because i

00:03:14.540 I felt really bad.

00:03:16.160 Now, we played that last clip before a few months ago, but it truly never gets old.

00:03:20.880 I mean, you'd have to waterboard me for like a month to get me to talk like that.

00:03:26.260 And I still probably wouldn't.

00:03:27.860 I mean, he says he podcasted worse and that three days of his life were ruined because

00:03:33.580 he drank a couple glasses of wine.

00:03:36.620 I mean, it couldn't have been anything else, like maybe a virus, food poisoning.

00:03:41.480 couldn't be the fact that he's really a woman in disguise.

00:03:44.780 No, it was definitely the two glasses of wine

00:03:47.400 that somehow caused a debilitating three-day hangover

00:03:51.340 in this otherwise healthy young adult man.

00:03:54.200 Then there's the claim on Bill Maher's show

00:03:56.160 and from the Mayo Clinic that alcohol causes cancer,

00:03:58.900 which sounds scary until you realize

00:04:02.060 that everything you consume, literally everything,

00:04:05.620 including bacon, red meat, coffee, tea, Chinese food, so on,

00:04:09.120 also increases your risk of cancer.

00:04:12.120 There are studies on all of this.

00:04:14.020 And I can sit here for the next hour

00:04:15.400 listing foods that might cause cancer.

00:04:17.680 Beef, pork chops, cereal, white bread,

00:04:19.580 cookies, ice cream, and on and on and on.

00:04:21.740 Do you enjoy barbecued chicken cooked over charcoal?

00:04:25.620 Well, I do too.

00:04:27.180 Well, guess what?

00:04:28.100 The high temperature and the smoke creates chemicals

00:04:30.760 that stick to the surface of the chicken

00:04:32.200 and might cause cancer.

00:04:34.200 Have fun at the cookout.

00:04:36.200 Like I said, we could be here all day.

00:04:37.480 And it's not just stuff you eat, by the way.

00:04:38.880 scented candles, household cleaners, plastic bottles, mattresses, furniture. Every day you

00:04:43.320 are surrounded by seemingly innocuous objects that, according to research, can increase your

00:04:48.620 risk of cancer to some degree. And that's to say nothing of the cell phone you're currently holding

00:04:52.680 in your hand or in your pocket. Life itself increases your risk of developing cancer.

00:04:58.540 Everybody will get cancer eventually if they live long enough, like Commissioner Gordon or

00:05:03.340 whichever character said in The Dark Knight. You either die a hero or live long enough to see

00:05:08.260 yourself get cancer, or words to that effect. I don't really remember. I think it was something

00:05:11.820 like that. Now, of course, amid all this fear-mongering, nobody ever really explains

00:05:16.040 when they tell us about increased cancer risk from alcohol or anything else.

00:05:21.420 They don't really explain that they're talking about relative risk, not absolute risk. I explained

00:05:26.660 this also on the show a few months ago, but it bears repeating. When it's announced that,

00:05:31.780 for example, moderate drinking increases a woman's risk of breast cancer by 23%,

00:05:36.340 23%, which is what they'll say. What they mean, though they rarely explain it, is that it increases

00:05:43.160 her relative risk by 23%. But what that means in real life depends on the absolute risk. So you

00:05:50.920 have to know the baseline. And for women, the baseline chance of developing breast cancer is

00:05:56.480 13%, which is already way too high, but that's the baseline without drinking anything. Moderate

00:06:03.600 drinking reportedly increases that 13% risk by 23%. So it's not 23% of 100%, it's 23% of 13%,

00:06:13.200 which means that the actual risk increase is about 3%. For another example, we're told that

00:06:20.800 heavy drinking, which is obviously not healthy, increases your risk of esophageal cancer by,

00:06:26.880 I think they say 400%. But the absolute risk of esophageal cancer is less than 1%, which means

00:06:33.920 that 400% increase brings you up to a risk of about 2.5 to about 3%. Now, you might feel that

00:06:41.360 any increase in risk, even a percent, is too much for you. And certainly, as I said, heavy drinking

00:06:46.800 is not a good idea. Consuming basically any substance immoderately is not a good idea.

00:06:53.100 But it's important to put these things into perspective, and perspective has been entirely lost in this conversation.

00:06:59.120 For the media and for the so-called public health experts, there is no value in perspective.

00:07:05.880 People will just get confused, they think.

00:07:08.360 You know, you bog them down with too many details.

00:07:10.240 It's much simpler to just tell people that alcohol is the main threat to their health.

00:07:15.460 It's poison.

00:07:17.220 Even one sip can cause cancer, which is what they actually say now.

00:07:22.360 Even though in the entire history of the human race, there has never been a documented case

00:07:26.620 of somebody getting cancer from one sip of alcohol or from one drink or from two drinks

00:07:32.820 or from 50, but it's technically possible, I guess, maybe.

00:07:37.600 So that's what they'll say.

00:07:39.840 Then as an added benefit, they'll have a much easier time selling millions of Americans

00:07:44.560 on other drugs that they can use to solve their problems from SSRIs to weed to mushrooms.

00:07:50.080 big pharma would prefer you to take SSRIs, podcasters would generally steer you towards

00:07:55.020 the weed and the mushrooms. Even when it's not so heavy handed, the full on propaganda campaign

00:08:00.160 is hard to miss. And it's hit a fever pitch lately, as evidenced by the following segment

00:08:05.260 that just aired on ABC News, which claims to be a news network. Now, there was a time many years

00:08:10.900 ago. And if you're a younger person, like, say, under the age of 50, you're not going to remember

00:08:16.780 this. I don't either. But there was a time when ABC News would cover stories of importance

00:08:21.800 to the average American. And today, ABC's biggest story, I hope you're sitting down for this,

00:08:28.560 is the scandalous news that Brad Pitt, the actor, recently consumed an alcoholic beverage.

00:08:36.960 Just one, or maybe it was two. Yeah, if you can believe it, a famous Hollywood actor decided

00:08:42.700 one day to drink a moderate amount of alcohol. This is a story that's so shocking in the minds

00:08:48.980 of ABC producers that they included various self-help resources at the end of the segment,

00:08:54.160 just in case any of their viewers were, you know, thinking of following Brad Pitt's example.

00:09:00.100 They're treating this news as if Brad Pitt just went on a rampage in Beverly Hills,

00:09:04.000 leaving no survivors in his wake. So behold, the ABC News report entitled,

00:09:09.680 Brad Pitt says he drank again after seven years of sobriety.

00:09:12.860 This is a full-length segment that was actually broadcast

00:09:15.400 by a major news network in the United States.

00:09:19.320 Watch.

00:09:20.700 Brad Pitt is pulling back the curtain on his sobriety.

00:09:23.840 He says he began drinking again after seven years of being sober.

00:09:27.740 It's okay. Come on. Just a bad dream.

00:09:31.460 In a candid new interview with Esquire,

00:09:33.620 discussing in part his upcoming movie, Heart of the Beast,

00:09:36.900 The 62-year-old actor-producer saying,

00:09:39.880 I was sober for seven years, and then I got back off the wagon, in a more restrained manner.

00:09:45.380 In 2020, Brad Pitt gave credit to his friend Bradley Cooper for his sobriety.

00:09:49.820 I got sober because of this guy, and every day has been happier ever since.

00:09:54.540 The F1 and Fight Club star.

00:09:56.660 Welcome to Fight Club.

00:09:57.840 Like so many non-celebrities, is among a growing number of people who've been public

00:10:02.440 about being caught up in the pattern of alcohol abuse and recovery in Hollywood.

00:10:06.900 And if you or anyone you know needs help with substance abuse, call 800-662-HELP or visit findtreatment.gov.

00:10:17.520 So it's quite a scoop. Brad Pitt gave up drinking for a while and now he's drinking again.

00:10:24.680 Okay. Did he get a DUI? Did he run a family of four off the road? Did he vomit all over a clerk at the Cracker Barrel?

00:10:32.400 As far as I know, no, Brad Pitt didn't do any of that.

00:10:36.420 He just had a couple of drinks in moderation.

00:10:39.640 What a horrifying prospect.

00:10:41.140 It's only a matter of time before he gets cancer.

00:10:43.980 In perhaps the least surprising development of all time, this anti-alcohol panic originated,

00:10:49.240 or at least has been heavily pushed by the World Health Organization, or WHO.

00:10:53.760 Now, the WHO, as we all know, assisted the Chinese government in covering up the fact

00:10:59.020 that their lab, which was funded by Tony Fauci and the U.S. government, had created COVID in the

00:11:04.240 first place. And additionally, the WHO pushed the COVID lockdowns, which ruined tens of millions of

00:11:08.500 lives and served no legitimate purpose. This is easily the least reputable, least ethical public

00:11:14.460 health organization on the planet, which is saying something. But after COVID hysteria died down,

00:11:20.360 they didn't miss a beat. They went right back out there issuing new commandments that they expected

00:11:24.540 everybody to follow without question. So in particular, in 2023, WHO published a statement

00:11:30.880 declaring with absolute certainty that, quote, no level of alcohol consumption is safe for our

00:11:37.920 health. No level. One sip even is not safe. Here's how one WHO official named Karina Ferreira Borges

00:11:47.680 delivered the news. Quote, we cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. Doesn't

00:11:53.540 matter how much you drink, the risk to the drinker's health starts from the first drop of any

00:11:57.320 alcoholic beverage. The only thing we can say for sure is that the more you drink, the more harmful

00:12:02.300 it is, or in other words, the less you drink, the safer it is. We need cancer-related health

00:12:06.820 information messages on labels of alcoholic beverages, following the example of tobacco

00:12:10.940 products. We need empowered and trained health professionals who would feel comfortable to

00:12:14.940 inform their patients about alcohol and cancer risk, and we need overall wide awareness of this

00:12:19.380 topic in countries and communities. The first drop, even one drop is not safe. This is what

00:12:27.860 the global health organizations are saying, and the media repeats it uncritically, and pretty soon

00:12:33.980 the podcasters repeat it, and pretty soon the mass of people are also repeating it uncritically.

00:12:38.700 Never mind the fact that it is not true, okay? It's not true. This is obviously a totally

00:12:47.980 irrational, indefensible claim that simply is not true. But we're supposed to accept it anyway

00:12:55.660 and offer no protest or correction because although they're lying, it's all supposedly

00:13:00.340 for a good cause. But I don't really believe in lying for a good cause, and I don't actually

00:13:05.160 agree that this is a good cause. So I must remind you again that aside from maybe the extremely

00:13:11.300 rare case of somebody having like an ethanol allergy or something, there are no documented

00:13:17.100 cases anywhere at all of anyone ever suffering measurable harms to their health from a sip of

00:13:23.840 alcohol. Telling everyone that no amount is safe and the harms begin at the first sip obviously

00:13:30.720 implies that drinking alcohol is like drinking gasoline or sipping a nice glass of battery acid.

00:13:37.780 When they say that one sip is not safe and there is no safe amount of alcohol, they are defining

00:13:43.000 safe in the strictest way imaginable. Indeed, they are defining it in the way that like a

00:13:49.860 paranoid, obsessive compulsive who washes his hands a thousand times a day until they bleed

00:13:54.500 might define it. They are not defining safe in the way that you define it, in the way that normal

00:14:01.540 human beings who desire to live functional lives and don't want to be paranoid, obsessive

00:14:07.200 compulsives describe it. So you can only make the claim that no amount of alcohol is safe

00:14:13.900 if you are defining safe as the total absence of risk. That is for certain the only definition

00:14:24.040 of safe that would make no amount of alcohol is safe a true statement. But the problem is that

00:14:30.740 this definition of safe, if applied to your daily life, would utterly incapacitate you. It would

00:14:37.380 render you unable to do basically anything or eat basically anything or perform any of the functions

00:14:43.620 necessary to be a human being in a human society. Because virtually everything you do carries some

00:14:51.160 kind of risk. By this definition, there's no safe level for sun exposure either. There's no safe

00:14:58.320 level for breathing the air outside, particularly if you live anywhere near a major city. There's

00:15:02.660 no safe level of cake to eat on your birthday. There's no safe level of working out you can do

00:15:08.200 at the gym. There's no safe level of any recreational activity or anything you do for

00:15:13.780 fun. There's no safe level of exposure to whatever device you're using right now to listen to this

00:15:18.280 podcast. By this definition of safe, you certainly could never drive a car. I mean, in a world where

00:15:25.980 no amount of alcohol is safe, driving a car is like it's tantamount to skydiving without a

00:15:32.620 parachute. Driving a car then is like suicide. And yet we all consider driving to be relatively

00:15:39.260 safe as long as we are attentive and obey the rules of the road. Right? If somebody came to

00:15:46.020 you and said, hey, don't go driving today. It's not safe. You would assume they mean that there's

00:15:52.220 something really bad happening out there, like there's a tornado tearing the road apart, or it's

00:15:56.940 the middle of a hurricane or a blizzard. You would assume that there's something else happening.

00:16:02.120 There's some other huge factor that would make it unsafe to go drive right now. And that's because

00:16:09.140 as functional and mentally stable humans, we define a safe thing not as a thing carrying no risk at

00:16:18.200 all, because all things carry risk, but rather we define it as a thing which carries a reasonable

00:16:25.180 amount of risk. And if that is how you define safe, then actually, in fact, there is a safe

00:16:33.160 amount of alcohol, okay? Having a beer with dinner or a glass of wine or a pour of whiskey,

00:16:39.460 God forbid, is by this definition, which is the only sane definition, safe. It is safe.

00:16:48.200 you can go have a drink. It is actually safe. It's safe. You'll be okay. But when who puts out

00:16:56.360 a statement and they don't provide this context at all, they don't attempt to explain what they

00:17:02.100 mean by words like safe and words like risk. This is what they do. And the experts demonstrate

00:17:08.260 no interest in educating you or informing you. They only want you to panic. And that's by design.

00:17:13.980 This is a corrupt institution that specializes in creating mass hysteria.

00:17:19.100 They're not actually concerned about public health.

00:17:22.180 They are European globalists who want power over other countries, especially the United States.

00:17:26.860 And they see public health hysteria as a way to gain that power.

00:17:32.040 And in this case, they want to push Americans away from alcohol and towards SSRIs and other psychoactive drugs.

00:17:37.960 So they released these marching orders, which decree that no amount of alcohol, not even a single drop, is safe.

00:17:45.500 Major hospitals, the media, various podcasters then immediately begin parroting whose message, just as they did during COVID.

00:17:53.720 Something called the Canadian Center on Substance Use and Addiction issued guidance stating that if you consume just two drinks a week, you are endangering your health.

00:18:02.700 If you have a glass of wine after dinner or with dinner on Saturday and then again on Sunday, you are endangering.

00:18:10.220 It is dangerous.

00:18:12.540 By the way, not safe means dangerous.

00:18:17.160 Does anyone really believe that it's dangerous to have two glasses of wine in a week?

00:18:24.280 Would any sane person describe that behavior as dangerous?

00:18:28.580 dangerous. If I came up to you as a normal person, I said, oh, this person has a dangerous

00:18:34.460 drinking habit. What would you assume I mean? Oh, be careful. Watch out for that person. They've

00:18:43.880 got a dangerous drinking habit. Yeah, I wouldn't spend a lot of time around them. I wouldn't,

00:18:49.200 you know, certainly never get in a car with them or, you know, let them around your kids. They

00:18:52.980 a dangerous drinking habit. If I said that and then you said, oh, wow, man, that's pretty bad.

00:19:01.640 Like what's going on? And then I said, oh, they get this. They drink two glasses of wine a week.

00:19:12.460 Who would you think is dangerous in that case? The person drinking the wine or me as a total nut

00:19:16.420 case. Are there any documented cases of any human anywhere ever in history being measurably harmed

00:19:23.880 by two drinks in a week? I'm not aware of any. But don't ask questions. Yeah, they're fear-mongering,

00:19:32.400 but it's for your own good. Only an alcoholic would dare question any of this. And then in

00:19:37.920 January 2025, just before the Trump administration took over, Biden's outgoing Surgeon General,

00:19:42.120 Vivek Murthy issued an advisory demanding cancer warning labels on alcoholic beverages. He said

00:19:47.640 alcohol is linked to various cancers, including breast, colorectal, esophageal, liver, mouth,

00:19:53.400 throat, and others, and described alcohol as a leading preventable cause of cancer,

00:19:59.880 third after tobacco and obesity. Now, what was amusing about all these claims is that not too

00:20:04.780 long ago, every major medical association was saying the exact opposite. So here's a paper I

00:20:10.600 pulled from 1999 from a doctor at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, for example. This was published in a

00:20:15.900 peer-reviewed medical journal. So this is not just some random guy rambling like me. He says, quote,

00:20:24.520 moderate drinkers are at a lower risk of the most common form of heart disease, coronary artery

00:20:29.420 disease than either heavier drinkers or abstainers. Evidence supports a direct protective effect of

00:20:35.940 alcohol. This association has been demonstrated in large-scale studies from many countries. All

00:20:41.240 alcoholic beverages protect against coronary artery disease. Alcohol's protective effect

00:20:46.280 may result from favorable alterations in blood chemistry and the prevention of clot formation

00:20:51.760 in arteries that deliver blood to the heart muscle. Because coronary artery disease accounts

00:20:56.820 for a large proportion of total mortality, the risk of death from all causes is slightly lower

00:21:02.380 among moderate drinkers than among abstainers.

00:21:06.920 Now, that was the dominant way of thinking for many years,

00:21:09.900 up until about 15 minutes ago,

00:21:12.780 when the global health organizations decided to weigh in.

00:21:16.160 Moderate drinking, we were told, was clearly good for you

00:21:19.000 as demonstrated by multiple peer-reviewed independent studies.

00:21:23.520 And now we're told that any amount of drinking,

00:21:26.040 even one drop, is dangerous.

00:21:28.500 Now, of course, if all of the health experts were wrong for decades, dangerously wrong, apparently, when they said that moderate drinking was safe, even healthy, then why should we believe they aren't also wrong now when they say that no amount is safe at all?

00:21:47.740 i mean if you were totally wrong completely in your peer-reviewed studies and these long-range

00:21:55.760 studies global studies with all this data and you were totally wrong and you said for decades that

00:22:03.060 not only is it safe to drink alcohol but it actually will lower your risk of mortality up

00:22:06.820 to a point and then it turns out that literally one sip is dangerous well if that's true then we

00:22:15.120 can't trust anything you say. If that's true, then like whatever you're saying right now,

00:22:21.680 10 years from now, you could just say the opposite again. There's no reason to trust anything you say.

00:22:28.040 Recently, our company softball team lost the big game by one run. Then Dale tried to console us

00:22:33.960 with the quote, winning isn't everything. Well, Dale and I are very different. I get early payout

00:22:41.260 from Bet365. If my team goes up big, I get paid out instantly, even if they blow the lead later.

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00:22:52.880 If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to

00:22:55.280 you, please go to ConnexOntario.ca and see supply. And the so-called health experts do this a lot,

00:23:00.720 you'll notice. They declare something with utter certainty, and then they declare the opposite

00:23:06.440 it with equal certainty. And the only consistent message between all of this wild careening back

00:23:12.900 and forth is that we, the rubes and the general public are supposed to follow whatever they say

00:23:18.100 blindly without asking any questions. So now alcohol is poison. It's just too risky. It'll

00:23:25.760 ruin your entire week. You won't be able to podcast. In short, anti-alcohol hysteria has

00:23:30.760 enter the domain of self-parody. It is reminiscent of the worst of the anti-smoking campaigns from

00:23:37.680 the 90s, except somehow this is even more shameless. But I have to admit, when you zoom

00:23:46.820 out and look at how most Americans are responding to the propaganda campaign, it has been very

00:23:51.760 effective, just like the anti-smoking propaganda was very effective. Many of us who are millennials

00:23:57.500 and grew up in the 90s, went to public school in the 90s. We remember this very well. I mean,

00:24:02.960 the amount of fear-mongering they did about smoking was insane. They would drill this into

00:24:08.800 our heads from, like, kindergarten. And they had, I can remember being in third grade and thinking

00:24:15.800 that, you know, smoking one cigarette could get you addicted right away, like heroin. I mean,

00:24:22.400 we were told this in school. Even casual secondhand smoke exposure can kill you,

00:24:29.940 which isn't true, by the way. But this is what they told kids. It was terrifying,

00:24:34.920 but it also worked. And now there are many fewer people smoking cigarettes.

00:24:41.740 And so if you're of the opinion that public health experts can just lie and scare the hell

00:24:47.480 out of you with stuff that is only partially true or not true at all, and that it's okay for them to

00:24:53.400 do it for a good cause, then I guess you have no problem with this. You're also just a total

00:25:01.260 puppet in that case, a sheep. As recently as 2018, just 28% of Americans told Gallup that in their

00:25:08.900 view, consuming one or two drinks a day is bad for your health. The vast majority of Americans

00:25:13.380 saw no problem with having a couple of beers every single day? Okay, that was in 2018, right?

00:25:19.900 By 2025, just seven years later, that number had increased to 53% of Americans. Two-thirds of

00:25:27.480 Americans under the age of 35, 66% of them, now believe that consuming just one drink a day will

00:25:34.240 harm their health. For comparison, in 2018, only 34% of young adults held that view.

00:25:41.520 Now, these attitudes, as you expect, are affecting behavior.

00:25:44.780 Gallup has found that the U.S. drinking rate is at its lowest level in recorded history.

00:25:49.200 They've been tracking it since 1939.

00:25:51.620 Quote, the percentage of U.S. adults who say they consume alcohol has fallen to 54%, the lowest in Gallup's nearly 90-year trend.

00:25:58.560 This coincides with a growing belief among Americans that moderate alcohol consumption is bad for one's health.

00:26:03.960 Now, the majority view for the first time from 97 to 2023, at least 60% of Americans reported drinking alcohol.

00:26:10.020 that figure fell to 62% in 2023, 58% in 2024, before reaching 54% today. Drinking has also

00:26:17.180 declined 11 points among non-Hispanic white adults, while it has been fairly steady at around

00:26:22.140 50% among people of color. Young adults have already become less likely to report drinking

00:26:26.660 alcohol a decade ago, but that trend has only accelerated with the rate falling from 59% in

00:26:31.740 2023 to 50% today. This puts their drinking rate below that of middle-aged and older adults.

00:26:36.940 There's also been a sharp drop in reported drinking among Republicans, falling 19 points to 46%, but not Democrats, holding fairly steady at 61%.

00:26:49.440 Now, on the surface, these numbers might appear to be a victory for society at large.

00:26:54.500 After all, even if the negative effects of alcohol are being overstated, and they are vastly so, it still sounds like a good thing for Americans to consume less alcohol.

00:27:04.600 That means, you would think, less domestic abuse, less drunk driving, and so on.

00:27:10.560 But the problem is I have a major problem with the idea that fear tactics and dishonesty and manipulation from the media and health organizations can be a good thing if it scares the public into acting in an arguably healthier way.

00:27:24.920 This line of thinking has gotten us into a lot of trouble, especially recently.

00:27:30.120 This is how they locked down the whole world during COVID.

00:27:32.280 But the real point here is that the fear tactics and manipulation actually aren't causing the public to behave in a healthier way.

00:27:40.140 People are simply migrating to other substances.

00:27:43.620 Alcohol is being replaced with psych meds and weed and other psychoactive substances.

00:27:50.520 And people who are taking these drugs are, in general, much less sociable and pleasant than people who are drinking alcohol.

00:27:57.520 So take a look at this chart showing how many Americans are drinking alcohol as well as smoking cigarettes and marijuana.

00:28:02.280 The data is from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

00:28:07.220 There's been a massive increase in marijuana use, huge increase, which has corresponded with a decline in cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption.

00:28:14.960 Marijuana went from being a drug that only around 5 to 8 million Americans were using, and now it's well over 20 million Americans who are smoking it.

00:28:22.680 Weed, which is obviously a carcinogen in its own right, is now more popular than alcohol or cigarettes.

00:28:29.600 It's not even getting into the explosive increase in SSRI prescriptions, which we discussed yesterday.

00:28:34.100 More than a third of mothers in this country are taking some kind of psychoactive medication.

00:28:39.080 These are drugs that have dramatic effects on the brain that no one even really totally understands.

00:28:44.700 Pretty much every school shooter has been taking one of these drugs.

00:28:47.520 SSRIs have been shown to increase violent behavior in control groups that have no diagnosed mental illness,

00:28:52.680 which means the overprescription of these drugs is a major problem.

00:28:56.300 And some of the most common side effects of SSRIs includes a flat effect, as well as a general loss of passion and excitement.

00:29:04.940 You lose your ability to care about anything, including sometimes members of your own family.

00:29:11.080 In some cases, people report losing the ability to feel any emotions at all.

00:29:15.700 They become kind of zombies.

00:29:19.020 Which, needless to say, is probably the exact opposite of what happens when you have a couple of beers.

00:29:25.360 So our public health experts have an obligation to answer the following question.

00:29:30.440 Why is it healthy to use powerful and unpredictable psychotropic drugs to help you function,

00:29:36.200 but it's not healthy to drink a beer to calm your nerves at the end of the day?

00:29:42.680 Can anyone explain that?

00:29:44.320 Has anyone ever bothered to explain that?

00:29:47.420 As a country, we've traded one drug for many others,

00:29:50.740 including drugs that happen to line the pockets of big pharma?

00:29:56.360 Has there ever been a thorough explanation of whether this trade was worth it?

00:30:00.960 Are we a better and stronger country now that everyone's high all the time

00:30:05.120 and incapable of feeling pleasure?

00:30:09.160 Was the booze really that bad?

00:30:10.740 And if part of the trade is that people will drink less, but also be much less social,

00:30:16.260 not hanging out with friends, not sitting at the pub, not going to parties,

00:30:20.740 rather isolated in their homes, interacting with people, if they interact at all, through a screen?

00:30:26.120 Is that worth it? I mean, there's no question that we have become a much, much less social society

00:30:32.260 over the past several years. The research on that is unanimous. And as we've become less social,

00:30:38.540 we've also migrated away from social substances like alcohol and towards substances that are more

00:30:45.380 isolated and isolating like weed and psychiatric drugs? Is that actually a good thing? Is it worth

00:30:53.500 having a society where people drink a little more if it means that people will spend more time around

00:30:59.620 other people? I would say the answer to that question is a resounding, unquestionable yes.

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00:33:35.760 And this gets us to the larger point.

00:33:38.600 You know, we could talk about the individual impact

00:33:40.680 of alcohol on a personal scale.

00:33:42.720 As we've established, the negative impact on that scale

00:33:46.260 is at the very least overstated.

00:33:48.600 But what about the societal, even civilizational scale?

00:33:53.100 Is there reason to believe that a society will function better, be more productive by ditching alcohol?

00:34:00.440 And that becomes a hard case to make when you look at the history of basically every successful country in the world, starting, of course, with our own.

00:34:08.840 As it happens, there's a very well-researched book on this topic.

00:34:11.660 It's called The Alcoholic Republic, and it was written by a historian named W.J. Orabaugh in the 1970s.

00:34:17.260 And what you learn when you read this book is that America would not exist as we know it today without the significant and widespread consumption of alcohol.

00:34:27.280 So from 1790 to 1830, obviously a pivotal period in the history of the United States, Americans drank more alcoholic beverages per capita than at any other point in history before or since.

00:34:38.320 The average adult male was drinking roughly a half pint per day, which, if you're keeping track, qualifies as heavy drinking that could cause cancer under today's guidelines.

00:34:47.260 And in particular, men were drinking much more than women.

00:34:50.260 Half of all adult males in the country were drinking two-thirds of the total amount of distilled spirits that were consumed.

00:34:56.740 In 1829, Rohrabah writes,

00:34:58.460 The Secretary of War estimated that three-quarters of the nation's laborers drank daily at least four ounces of distilled spirits.

00:35:05.660 Meanwhile, the Surgeon General warned that if the army wanted to ban drunkards, then there'd be no army left.

00:35:12.100 Now, from our perspective, the amount of booze our ancestors were putting away every day seems scandalous.

00:35:19.520 One wonders how they even managed to do any podcasting with all the alcohol they consumed.

00:35:24.320 But from the perspective of the early American colonists and our founding fathers, alcohol had obvious benefits.

00:35:30.040 For one thing, it was a currency.

00:35:31.700 We were sending much more gold and silver out of the country than we were taking in due to a trade imbalance with England.

00:35:36.460 So in the absence of hard currency, American merchants turned to rum and later whiskey to trade with each other and the Indians and foreign nations.

00:35:44.480 The importance of the rum trade can't be overstated.

00:35:46.900 It created vast wealth in the colonies, wealth that was used to pay for the rebellion.

00:35:51.240 And when the British tried to tax the ingredients to make rum, thus threatening the American economy, we revolted.

00:35:58.540 Alcohol also helped the colonists bond long before the United States existed.

00:36:02.640 It also allowed politicians to run successful campaigns.

00:36:05.460 In 1755, when George Washington was running for a seat in the Virginia House as part of the colonial government, he refused to buy alcohol for voters at the polls, which was a custom that was known as treating.

00:36:17.060 So he lost in a landslide.

00:36:18.740 And three years later, in 1758, Washington pulled out all the stops.

00:36:21.840 He ordered his campaign manager to buy 28 gallons of rum, 50 gallons of rum punch, 38 gallons of wine, 46 gallons of beer, and two gallons of hard cider, coming out to around a half gallon of alcohol per voter.

00:36:37.380 They rolled the barrels of alcohol to the polling place, and what do you know, Washington received 307 votes out of 400, so he won decisively.

00:36:46.040 Now, all this drinking and generosity and hospitality brought the colonists together,

00:36:49.420 which would obviously be important in the rebellion against Britain.

00:36:52.960 And it would give them the courage to carry out some very daring acts of insurrection,

00:36:56.500 including the Boston Tea Party, which was conceived, planned and organized at a tavern in Boston by the Sons of Liberty.

00:37:03.080 It's one of those historical facts they don't really emphasize,

00:37:05.540 but the Sons of Liberty were hammered out of their minds when they came up with the idea of throwing the tea in the harbor.

00:37:12.080 And it turned out to be a very effective idea.

00:37:15.460 might be something to the fact that like a population where people are more likely to drink

00:37:21.040 tends to be less docile. Now, if all those people were sitting around smoking weed,

00:37:29.540 is it likely they would have conceived of this idea and then gone and done it?

00:37:35.340 As we discussed before, the founders were also drunk while they were drafting our constitution,

00:37:40.340 or at least immediately before signing it. They went on a bender at the end of the

00:37:43.940 Constitutional Convention of 1787, as they were finishing the document. For 55 men, they consumed

00:37:50.220 more than 45 gallons of alcohol plus food. That means each man consumed around three bottles of

00:37:56.580 wine, beer, or cider, in addition to some punch from the bowls over a six to 10 hour period.

00:38:02.740 And this was the atmosphere that led to the formation of our government.

00:38:07.580 To the modern public health experts, this would be a super spreader event.

00:38:11.700 everybody's vastly increasing their risk of developing cancer so it's a good thing that

00:38:18.180 no public health experts existed at the time we might not we might not have our constitution

00:38:23.120 otherwise after the colonies uh became the united states warbaugh notes that alcohol directly

00:38:29.240 contributed to the industrialization and economic advancement of the united states as well as many

00:38:33.860 other countries we had more grain than we knew what to do with and the most efficient use of

00:38:39.960 this grain, because it could be done quickly without the need to transport it too far, was

00:38:44.640 to convert it into whiskey. And because whiskey became so plentiful, the labor force began to

00:38:50.180 change. So it is true to say that alcohol helped to build the country. Now, that alone doesn't

00:38:56.240 prove that alcohol is healthy or that you should drink. I'm not saying you should drink. I don't

00:39:00.800 really care if you do or not. The point simply is that basically every flourishing civilization

00:39:06.740 you can name, very much including our own, has been a civilization where people drink alcohol.

00:39:14.780 That doesn't mean that you need alcohol to flourish, but it does seem to strongly indicate

00:39:19.820 that alcohol collectively on a societal scale does not prevent flourishing. And that is the

00:39:26.600 weakest framing. I think you could probably frame it even stronger than that. You know,

00:39:32.660 when you have a large family, as I do, you become very aware of just how many people are counting

00:39:37.480 on you. I have a wife and a lot of kids, six the last time I checked, which means there are a lot

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00:41:17.320 and Germany wrote a paper in Nature, which is a journal, and they wanted to know whether there's

00:41:22.260 any kind of causal link here, whether or not alcohol has facilitated the evolution of complex

00:41:28.000 societies facilitated it, not just failed to prevent it. So they looked at a global sample

00:41:35.420 of 186 societies, mostly non-industrial ones, including the Kazakhs and the Japanese.

00:41:40.600 They ranked all these societies based on the number of distinct jurisdictional levels recognizable

00:41:45.020 in the society, meaning they checked if the society had any kind of centralized political

00:41:49.240 authority, and if so, how developed it was. They also built a data set tracking the presence or

00:41:54.580 absence of indigenous low alcohol fermented beverages like early beers and meads in those

00:41:59.960 same societies. And then they looked in particular at societies that weren't heavily dependent on

00:42:04.580 farming so they could be sure that the alcohol was shaping their political development, not just the

00:42:08.260 agricultural industry in general. And here's what they determined. Quote, we find a positive

00:42:14.120 relationship between the presence of indigenous alcoholic beverages and higher levels of political

00:42:18.520 complexity measured by the number of administrative levels. The effect holds even after controlling

00:42:24.160 for several potential confounding variables, including common ancestry, spatial proximity,

00:42:30.380 environmental productivity, and agricultural intensity. Our results support the idea that

00:42:35.040 the group-level social benefits of traditional non-distilled fermented beverages may outweigh

00:42:40.580 their disruptive effects, and that alcohol may have facilitated the evolution of human society.

00:42:46.840 Now, obviously, we should be skeptical of any finding in any academic publication,

00:42:51.940 But this one makes sense based on everything we know about the development of our own country.

00:42:57.560 Alcohol, in many different ways, enabled the creation of the United States.

00:43:03.120 By contrast, no civilization has ever been founded because everybody was smoking weed or taking SSRIs.

00:43:11.880 So we know that great societies can be formed and built up and flourish as the booze flows freely.

00:43:20.340 Can any great society exist where the substance of choice is weed or psychoactive drugs?

00:43:27.880 I mean, there are no examples anybody can name.

00:43:30.760 And the early returns on our own society, as we've recently made that switch, are, to say the least, not encouraging.

00:43:40.540 Now, those are drugs that affect the mind in ways we don't fully understand.

00:43:45.460 They suppress creativity and passion.

00:43:48.000 They promote isolation rather than social bonding.

00:43:53.500 That's precisely the reason why every mainstream media outlet is running scary segments about

00:43:57.920 alcohol while they ignore SSRIs, which are created by Big Pharma, their biggest advertiser

00:44:02.420 by far.

00:44:03.840 Here's one more of those segments, which was actually pretty entertaining because at the

00:44:06.940 end of it, after the spiel from the health reporter about how alcohol will kill you in

00:44:11.760 5,000 different ways, George Stephanopoulos brings up the fact that these new recommendations

00:44:17.640 contradictions contradict the old ones. And listen carefully to how that goes.

00:44:22.660 Back now with our GMA cover story, which is making us have a big discussion here on the

00:44:27.220 couch. A lot to say about the new research that's out this morning that suggests even small amounts

00:44:31.920 of alcohol may increase the risk of developing several types of cancer. They found it is a

00:44:36.880 complex relationship, but one key finding is that alcohol was absolutely associated with an increased

00:44:42.800 risk of cancer and chronic liver disease, and that was for any level of alcohol that we're talking

00:44:48.340 about. They also found that the alcohol was associated with 10 types of cancers in terms

00:44:53.920 of increasing risk, and those things range from pharyngeal cancer, larynx, lip and oral, esophageal,

00:44:59.280 stomach, pancreas, liver, prostate, breast, and colorectal cancer. So the risk did seem to increase

00:45:06.040 with the more alcohol you consumed. However, many of these cancers were even associated with risk

00:45:11.220 when you're talking about less than one standard drink

00:45:13.620 per day, so not a lot of alcohol.

00:45:15.340 They found that alcohol was associated

00:45:16.680 with chronic liver disease, pancreatitis,

00:45:18.900 lower respiratory tract infections, tuberculosis,

00:45:21.880 and arrhythmias like atrial fib and atrial flutter.

00:45:24.480 Now, where it becomes a little bit complicated

00:45:26.600 is when they looked at the link between alcohol

00:45:28.520 and cardiometabolic diseases.

00:45:30.440 So with low to moderate drinking,

00:45:32.060 there did seem to be a little bit of a reduction

00:45:34.460 in type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer's and other dementias,

00:45:37.780 and cardiovascular disease like heart attack and stroke.

00:45:40.600 However, if you drank heavily, that risk then increased.

00:45:44.160 So that's the old study, one glass of red wine a day

00:45:46.340 is healthy for your heart.

00:45:48.280 Is that out the window now?

00:45:49.480 I think that when you're talking about the fact

00:45:51.320 that alcohol is a known carcinogen, right,

00:45:53.480 there's an increased risk of cancer,

00:45:54.740 how can you possibly say that any alcohol is healthy?

00:45:57.620 You're always gonna be weighing that risk

00:45:59.120 with maybe the little bit of the cardiovascular benefit.

00:46:02.080 So no one's going to say you should drink

00:46:04.300 in terms of improving your health.

00:46:05.820 In fact, we would discourage heavy drinking,

00:46:07.800 and if you are going to make that decision to drink,

00:46:10.220 You should be aware of the risks, especially if you have underlying risk factors for these certain types of cancers and also drink, you know, in the least amount you can.

00:46:19.380 I mean, clearly, some people are going to continue to drink, but we just want them to be aware of the risk.

00:46:24.420 What do you do?

00:46:26.660 Literally everyone is sitting here going, should I not?

00:46:32.840 So you don't see too many segments like that where the couch erupts in laughter after the expert is done talking.

00:46:37.900 none of them are taking her seriously. Half of them are probably drunk during the segment.

00:46:44.620 So if you're following along, she says alcohol can potentially cause all kinds of serious

00:46:48.740 problems, but at the same time, alcohol can also reduce your risk of dementia, cardiovascular

00:46:54.080 disease, Alzheimer's disease. And then when she's asked about the previous recommendation from the

00:46:59.400 experts, which is that people should drink some wine because of the benefits, she stammers a bit

00:47:05.420 and implies that those benefits are minor compared to the cancer risks.

00:47:10.200 So we have a total reversal on a core piece of medical guidance,

00:47:14.420 which has been issued for more than a decade,

00:47:17.280 and they can't offer a convincing response as to why they change their minds.

00:47:23.080 There's actually no scientific basis for her response.

00:47:26.380 Cardiovascular disease and Alzheimer's are two of the most common ways to die,

00:47:30.060 and cancer in general tends to be more treatable than Alzheimer's.

00:47:35.420 which has no cure. So, um, cancer has no cure either, but it's more treatable general,

00:47:42.200 generally. So who's to say that, you know, we shouldn't stick with the old recommendation

00:47:45.760 where we drink wine every night. I mean, there's a trade-off here, which, which way is better?

00:47:52.440 Who knows? These people are kind of just making it up as they go along.

00:47:59.020 Now, what they can't fabricate, at least not effectively, is the historical record.

00:48:03.460 our own experience as a society. That's not to say that alcohol can't be abused. Obviously,

00:48:11.320 it can be and often is. It's not to say there are no risks. It's not to say there are no

00:48:18.660 downsides or trade-offs. It's simply to say that the ancient Greeks, also big fans of booze,

00:48:26.580 by the way, got it right, as they often did. Nothing in excess was the ancient Greek motto.

00:48:33.460 All things in moderation, as we say today.

00:48:36.520 And that really is the answer here.

00:48:39.020 If you drink in moderation, you'll probably be fine.

00:48:43.680 If a society drinks in moderation, or frankly, even sometimes not in moderation, it can thrive.

00:48:51.260 In fact, the alcohol may even help it thrive in some ways.

00:48:56.140 So tune out the public health experts who've done more than enough damage to last a lifetime and take it easy.

00:49:02.640 be reasonable, be moderate. It will probably be okay until one day you die of cancer or something

00:49:13.900 else. But that's going to happen anyway. So relax and have a drink or don't. I mean, it's really up

00:49:22.640 to you. That'll do it for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Talk to you

00:49:27.000 on Monday. Have a great day. Godspeed.

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The Matt Walsh Show - August 13, 2026

Ep. 1822 - Debunking The Most Absurd Anti-Alcohol Propaganda

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