The Matt Walsh Show - October 22, 2019


Ep. 354 - Court Sanctioned Child Abuse


Episode Stats

Length

47 minutes

Words per Minute

159.20549

Word Count

7,537

Sentence Count

475

Misogynist Sentences

39

Hate Speech Sentences

23


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the case of James Younger, a 7-year-old boy who was mistaken for a girl by his mother, Anne Georgilis, when she realized that he was a girl named Luna.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I am going to try my level best here.
00:00:07.100 I'm going to really try, folks.
00:00:09.240 I will attempt to remain calm, to not start screaming as we discuss this story,
00:00:15.100 but I must admit that I am fairly seething with a deep and primal rage at the moment.
00:00:22.860 Now, if you watch this show, you know that the thing that sets me off more than anything else
00:00:28.660 the thing that sends me into spasms of anger on this show is when children are hurt, exploited, abused.
00:00:38.240 And you might say, well, obviously that upsets you.
00:00:41.120 That upsets everybody.
00:00:42.900 Well, it should, shouldn't it?
00:00:45.560 But it doesn't.
00:00:47.860 I shouldn't have to sit here and say, I really hate child abuse.
00:00:51.660 I'm against it.
00:00:53.720 That shouldn't be the kind of thing that you even need to talk about on a show like this
00:00:57.820 because it should be something we all agree on, should be a position we all share
00:01:04.080 so that talking about it would be redundant and unnecessary.
00:01:07.160 But guys, we live in a country where, in fact, lots of people and lots of powerful people,
00:01:15.760 as we will see in a minute, are fully in favor of child abuse in many forms.
00:01:20.780 They're in favor of killing children in the womb.
00:01:25.040 And if the child manages to escape the womb with his life intact, then these same people,
00:01:30.540 these disgusting, monstrous scumbags, will set to work attempting to destroy the child emotionally,
00:01:38.800 psychologically, through all manner of physical and emotional and psychological and sexual abuse
00:01:45.200 and exploitation.
00:01:47.360 There are many people, and again, many powerful people in our country,
00:01:50.780 who see children as objects that can be exploited and used or just discarded if you don't want them.
00:01:58.700 That's the backdrop here as we get into the topic at hand.
00:02:02.540 And the topic at hand is the case of James Younger, a seven-year-old boy, son of Jeff Younger
00:02:10.520 and quote-unquote mother Anne Georgilis.
00:02:14.840 Anne Georgilis, by the way, is not only the quote-unquote mother, but she's also a quote-unquote doctor,
00:02:20.940 a pediatrician of all things.
00:02:24.940 Now, so let's back up here and do some background on this case.
00:02:32.540 So Jeff and Anne, and I guess I'm just going to use their first names here as we talk about it
00:02:38.600 just because it's easier.
00:02:40.180 So Jeff and Anne were married but ended up getting divorced.
00:02:44.320 Actually, I think it might have been an annulment.
00:02:45.740 I'm not sure.
00:02:46.240 Don't quote me on that.
00:02:47.460 But in any case, the marriage ended one way or another.
00:02:50.540 And as is usually the case with these sorts of things, the quote-unquote mother was given most of the rights
00:02:58.240 over the child because that's the sort of default position that the courts have,
00:03:03.160 that family courts have most of the time, where they're just going to assume that the mother
00:03:07.300 is the more fit parent because she's a woman.
00:03:09.920 But remember, women are the ones who are legally oppressed in this country.
00:03:13.620 Remember that.
00:03:14.320 Anyway, the mother is given most of the power over the child.
00:03:19.080 Eventually, the mother decides that the boy, James, is actually a girl named Luna.
00:03:29.080 Now, remember that James right now is seven years old.
00:03:33.980 So he's very, very young.
00:03:35.420 But this all started a few years ago.
00:03:37.560 In fact, he was three years old when it started.
00:03:40.420 He was three when the mother decided that he was a girl.
00:03:46.460 Do you want to know how the quote-unquote mother made this discovery?
00:03:51.260 Well, an article in the Texan explains it.
00:03:55.000 So here's a quote from the Texan article.
00:03:58.740 It says,
00:03:59.120 Conflict arose in the next few years, and their marriage was eventually annulled.
00:04:02.640 While the court made the parents joint managing conservators,
00:04:08.640 Georgilis was given exclusive rights and duties while youngers were limited.
00:04:15.240 Georgilis says that James first wanted a girl's toy from McDonald's
00:04:20.900 and soon after started imitating the female characters from Disney's Frozen
00:04:27.460 and asked to wear dresses.
00:04:32.100 She says she then contacted the Genesis Clinic at Children's Hospital Center,
00:04:36.900 and they referred her to Rebecca Ower for counseling.
00:04:43.540 And then that person recommended a process of affirmation.
00:04:48.320 And they thought that a social transition for James to begin going to school
00:04:52.880 dressed as a girl named Luna would be in his best interest.
00:04:55.840 So that's how the quote-unquote mother figured out that little James is really just a shell.
00:05:05.620 James really didn't exist, it turns out.
00:05:08.660 James was a shell.
00:05:09.880 He was a James shell.
00:05:11.580 But trapped inside that shell of a body was this little girl named Luna
00:05:15.620 who was just itching to get out.
00:05:17.820 This is science, by the way.
00:05:21.160 This is all science.
00:05:23.760 And she figured that out because James wanted a girl toy from McDonald's.
00:05:28.760 Oh, and he also likes the movie Frozen.
00:05:32.280 Well, that's it then.
00:05:33.940 That settles it.
00:05:35.320 Eureka!
00:05:36.760 I mean, there couldn't possibly be any other explanation
00:05:39.960 for why this boy was interested in a Disney film.
00:05:45.720 Couldn't possibly be any other explanation.
00:05:47.820 He must really be a girl.
00:05:51.160 I said I wasn't going to scream.
00:05:54.000 Let me pull back a little bit.
00:05:56.240 Now, of course, by this standard,
00:05:58.660 literally every other,
00:06:00.500 every boy by this standard is a girl.
00:06:04.040 And every girl's a boy.
00:06:05.820 Because every boy is interested in some things
00:06:09.180 that are associated with girls.
00:06:10.900 And every little girl is interested
00:06:12.160 in some things that are associated with boys.
00:06:14.200 So if that's the case,
00:06:15.060 then every girl's a boy,
00:06:16.260 every boy's a girl,
00:06:17.040 nothing means anything.
00:06:17.940 What does it even matter in that case?
00:06:22.960 And by the way,
00:06:24.180 I thought we were done gendering toys, right?
00:06:28.080 I thought there was no such thing as a girl toy or a boy toy.
00:06:31.620 Wasn't that the whole thing with Target
00:06:33.040 where they stopped,
00:06:34.040 they didn't have the girl toy aisle
00:06:35.560 or the boy toy aisle anymore?
00:06:37.460 Because whether you're a boy or a girl,
00:06:39.460 you can play with any toy.
00:06:40.360 I thought that was the point.
00:06:41.600 But now you're saying
00:06:42.440 that if a boy plays with a toy
00:06:44.160 that's associated with girls,
00:06:45.400 it's really an indication
00:06:46.260 that he actually is a girl trapped
00:06:47.960 in a boy's body.
00:06:49.120 So have you not just then reaffirmed
00:06:51.460 the gendering of toys?
00:06:56.660 Except for the quote-unquote mother,
00:07:00.740 there was a hiccup.
00:07:01.420 Because when James went to his father's house,
00:07:04.580 he was still identifying as a boy.
00:07:06.460 Imagine that.
00:07:07.560 And going by the name James
00:07:09.040 and wearing boy clothes and all of that
00:07:10.760 because he is a boy
00:07:11.640 and he wants to be a boy.
00:07:13.280 The quote-unquote mother couldn't have that.
00:07:15.460 She couldn't allow the father
00:07:16.660 to interfere with the abuse of the child.
00:07:20.760 She really had been putting a lot of effort
00:07:25.940 into abusing this child
00:07:27.420 and she didn't want the father
00:07:28.740 interfering with that.
00:07:30.000 So eventually it goes to the courts.
00:07:33.120 Both parents fighting essentially for sole custody
00:07:35.780 and the court just ruled yesterday.
00:07:38.480 This is in Texas, remember.
00:07:40.680 In Texas.
00:07:42.400 The court ruled yesterday against the father.
00:07:45.540 The mother is now given
00:07:48.200 basically soul power and authority.
00:07:51.260 The father will probably not get
00:07:54.000 any unsupervised visits with his own son
00:07:57.060 who I guess the court believes is really his daughter.
00:08:00.700 And the mother can now, if she wants,
00:08:04.280 start the process of chemically castrating the boy.
00:08:07.040 She can now force him to live full-time as a girl
00:08:11.500 and she can poison him with chemicals
00:08:13.340 to permanently alter his body
00:08:15.460 so that she can live out her fantasies.
00:08:20.420 Fantasies that she has imposed on her child.
00:08:23.980 Well, actually, not really her child.
00:08:26.000 That's the icing on the cake here.
00:08:27.580 I've been calling her the quote-unquote mother
00:08:29.440 because she is an abusive monster
00:08:31.960 and does not deserve to be called the mother.
00:08:34.400 She is not a mother.
00:08:35.680 She is not acting like one.
00:08:37.180 She is not, this is not how mothers behave.
00:08:39.760 She doesn't deserve,
00:08:41.120 so it's only for lack of a better term
00:08:43.580 that I use this term, mother, for her.
00:08:45.920 But it's also worth noting
00:08:47.100 that actually, technically,
00:08:49.500 she isn't even biologically the mother.
00:08:53.060 The child was conceived with a donor egg.
00:08:55.640 She isn't even biologically related to this kid.
00:08:58.660 And yet she has been given the power to do what she wants
00:09:04.600 to him and with him.
00:09:06.880 It's amazing.
00:09:09.280 Now, it's true that James doesn't really want to be a girl.
00:09:13.900 This identity has been foisted on him
00:09:16.360 by this despicable lunatic
00:09:18.300 who fashions herself a mother.
00:09:20.880 And I want you to understand,
00:09:23.840 I'm being very harsh in the way
00:09:25.260 that I describe this woman.
00:09:27.600 But that's because what she is doing is pure evil.
00:09:30.940 And if we lived in a country where things made sense
00:09:33.800 and where there was justice
00:09:35.760 and where we cared about protecting children,
00:09:39.540 this person would be locked in prison
00:09:44.480 for the rest of her life
00:09:45.580 because that's where she deserves to be.
00:09:47.780 This is a very, very bad person.
00:09:51.420 And this is, as I have always argued,
00:09:53.840 this is a form of not just emotional
00:09:55.840 and physical and psychological abuse,
00:09:57.820 although as if that's not enough,
00:09:59.640 it is also sexual abuse, okay?
00:10:02.240 It is in the most fundamental way
00:10:04.040 because you are sexually manipulating a child.
00:10:06.900 In fact, I want you to listen to this.
00:10:09.040 The father was on a podcast recently.
00:10:11.780 He was on the Luke Macias podcast,
00:10:15.060 which you can hear if you go to
00:10:16.420 lukemacias.com, M-A-C-I-A-S.com.
00:10:20.180 That's how you pronounce the last name.
00:10:21.740 It's a long interview worth listening to.
00:10:24.340 But I want to play one part
00:10:25.740 where he talks about how this started,
00:10:29.680 what the mother did to James.
00:10:32.380 And in fact, right before we play this clip,
00:10:34.340 or actually right before this clip
00:10:36.060 that I'm going to play,
00:10:37.520 Jeff, because he's talking about
00:10:39.260 what this person did.
00:10:40.780 And he says that there were various
00:10:44.800 tools of manipulation she would use
00:10:48.020 in order to create gender confusion
00:10:52.460 in her innocent and helpless son.
00:10:56.320 One of the things she would do,
00:10:57.640 apparently, according to Jeff,
00:10:58.820 is she would lock the kid in a room
00:11:00.600 and tell him that there's a monster
00:11:04.360 in there that only eats little boys.
00:11:06.840 She would do that with him
00:11:09.380 when he was three years old.
00:11:13.460 And there was much more to it than that.
00:11:15.600 Listen to what Jeff Younger,
00:11:17.980 the father, has to say.
00:11:19.540 During the temporary orders period,
00:11:22.260 when we were waiting to go to final trial
00:11:24.100 and we're going through the endless motions
00:11:26.500 before the associate judge,
00:11:29.260 my three-year-old son tells me,
00:11:33.600 he's at my home,
00:11:34.380 he tells me that he's a girl.
00:11:38.020 And I had the presence of mind,
00:11:40.500 thank goodness,
00:11:41.220 to pull out my iPhone
00:11:43.040 and videotape me asking him about that.
00:11:46.240 And that was literally the first time
00:11:47.820 that I really understood
00:11:48.640 what was happening to my son.
00:11:50.420 And what did you gather
00:11:51.900 from that first conversation with him?
00:11:54.060 His mother was telling him
00:11:55.400 that he was a girl.
00:11:56.820 She was dressing him as a girl.
00:11:59.400 She was putting nail polish on him
00:12:01.760 and encouraging him to act like a girl.
00:12:04.900 And my personal assessment,
00:12:07.380 this isn't from James,
00:12:08.280 but my personal assessment,
00:12:09.700 was that she was only giving him love
00:12:11.920 and affection if he acted like a girl.
00:12:15.560 And that was the first time I noticed.
00:12:17.440 He was just past his third birthday.
00:12:20.120 Three years old.
00:12:22.240 Three years old.
00:12:23.280 So it's obvious that James
00:12:26.200 doesn't really identify as a girl.
00:12:28.280 He's been forced into this.
00:12:29.480 This is something that has been done to him
00:12:31.680 by that nurse ratchet of a mother
00:12:34.460 that he has been cursed with.
00:12:37.800 But here's the thing.
00:12:39.500 It wouldn't matter.
00:12:41.560 Even if he did really authentically
00:12:44.120 identify as a girl,
00:12:45.900 it would make no difference.
00:12:47.080 or it should make no difference
00:12:50.220 to the case.
00:12:54.460 If this wasn't being forced on him
00:12:57.320 the way that it is,
00:12:58.240 that would make the mother
00:13:00.140 maybe less of an evil scumbag,
00:13:01.740 but it wouldn't change the reality.
00:13:04.660 And the reality is that
00:13:06.040 no matter what the child says,
00:13:09.060 the child who doesn't understand
00:13:11.240 what's going on
00:13:12.120 and can't possibly understand,
00:13:14.320 the reality is that he is a boy.
00:13:16.160 Period.
00:13:16.600 He is a boy.
00:13:17.460 Not a girl.
00:13:18.780 He doesn't know what a girl is.
00:13:20.040 He doesn't really know what a boy is.
00:13:21.420 He doesn't understand
00:13:22.100 what it means to transition.
00:13:24.080 He doesn't understand the consequences.
00:13:25.620 He doesn't understand anything
00:13:27.320 because he's a child.
00:13:30.180 He is just a confused child.
00:13:34.480 And whatever he says
00:13:36.040 about I'm a girl, I'm a boy,
00:13:37.380 these are confused statements
00:13:39.140 from a naive and innocent little kid
00:13:42.340 who doesn't know
00:13:43.960 what the hell is going on
00:13:45.200 because how could he?
00:13:50.260 So in some ways,
00:13:51.860 as we talk about,
00:13:53.240 well, you know,
00:13:54.340 does he want to be a girl?
00:13:56.540 Does he want to be a boy?
00:13:58.460 And it seems like
00:13:59.380 that's what the case
00:14:00.140 really boiled down to.
00:14:01.300 But that just shows you.
00:14:03.380 That just shows you
00:14:04.320 how crazy things have gotten.
00:14:06.640 Because it's starting
00:14:08.240 from a false premise.
00:14:09.500 It doesn't,
00:14:10.280 to argue over what does he want,
00:14:13.120 that would seem to grant
00:14:15.580 the premise to begin with
00:14:17.240 that a child can potentially
00:14:19.880 choose his own gender,
00:14:21.380 which he can't anyway,
00:14:23.000 no matter what he wants.
00:14:24.620 But the fact that
00:14:25.700 he doesn't even want this
00:14:27.000 in the first place
00:14:28.100 just makes it,
00:14:28.860 I suppose,
00:14:29.680 all the worse.
00:14:31.280 You know,
00:14:31.480 when you follow this case,
00:14:32.460 you really begin to see,
00:14:33.460 well, you see a few things.
00:14:34.880 You see that we are screwed
00:14:36.160 as a society.
00:14:37.440 I hate to say it.
00:14:39.120 This case,
00:14:39.980 I don't think people
00:14:41.500 really understand
00:14:42.240 just how monumental
00:14:43.100 this case is.
00:14:43.940 It's gotten
00:14:44.380 a fair amount of attention,
00:14:46.160 at least in conservative circles.
00:14:48.380 It should be getting
00:14:49.260 a lot more attention
00:14:50.480 than it actually is, though.
00:14:51.740 However much attention
00:14:54.460 it's getting,
00:14:56.140 we should be much more
00:14:58.420 focused on this
00:14:59.340 than we are.
00:15:01.780 Because we are crossing
00:15:03.180 now a threshold
00:15:04.620 with the court
00:15:08.220 making a ruling like this
00:15:09.780 in Texas,
00:15:11.120 of all places.
00:15:11.760 Can you imagine now
00:15:12.960 cases like this
00:15:14.080 in California
00:15:15.100 or Washington State
00:15:17.100 or New York
00:15:18.400 or New Hampshire?
00:15:18.980 Can you imagine
00:15:20.140 if this woman
00:15:22.840 could get this ruling
00:15:23.860 out of a Texas court?
00:15:27.280 Imagine what
00:15:28.440 a similarly monstrous parent
00:15:30.720 could achieve
00:15:31.720 in a court,
00:15:33.600 in a state
00:15:34.740 that's already
00:15:35.260 crazy liberal
00:15:35.940 to begin with.
00:15:38.060 But the other thing
00:15:39.140 that you see illustrated
00:15:40.440 is the fact
00:15:41.260 that transgender children
00:15:42.520 are really a symptom
00:15:43.760 of Munchausen
00:15:45.100 by proxy.
00:15:47.060 And I think this case
00:15:47.840 is a,
00:15:48.120 you couldn't,
00:15:49.360 you couldn't find
00:15:50.360 a better illustration
00:15:51.220 of that.
00:15:51.700 Munchausen by proxy
00:15:52.680 is when parents
00:15:54.560 pretend
00:15:56.680 that their children
00:15:58.040 are sick
00:15:58.680 or they make
00:15:59.800 the child sick
00:16:00.680 in order to get
00:16:01.360 attention or pity
00:16:02.560 or whatever else
00:16:03.700 they want.
00:16:04.280 They did,
00:16:04.780 there was the HBO
00:16:05.540 miniseries,
00:16:07.240 what was it called?
00:16:07.860 Sharp Objects
00:16:08.620 based on a book.
00:16:09.980 Amy Adams
00:16:10.560 came out last year
00:16:12.180 and it revolves,
00:16:15.140 that might be
00:16:15.560 a spoiler actually,
00:16:16.420 I might have just
00:16:16.860 spoiled it for you,
00:16:17.520 sorry about that.
00:16:18.120 Anyway,
00:16:20.260 but it revolves
00:16:21.780 around this
00:16:22.880 thing where you've
00:16:24.600 got a parent
00:16:25.420 and this happens
00:16:26.260 in real life,
00:16:26.860 not just in movies
00:16:27.600 where you have
00:16:28.060 some sick
00:16:28.740 and twisted
00:16:29.200 evil parents
00:16:30.120 who I think
00:16:31.420 oftentimes
00:16:31.960 ends up being
00:16:32.860 a mother
00:16:33.160 who does this
00:16:33.680 for whatever reason
00:16:34.320 but they make
00:16:35.240 their kids sick.
00:16:38.360 And it's all
00:16:39.120 just the most
00:16:40.320 twisted form
00:16:41.120 of emotional
00:16:41.640 manipulation
00:16:42.240 or sort of
00:16:42.660 using the child
00:16:43.640 as bait,
00:16:44.660 dangling the sick
00:16:45.620 child out there,
00:16:46.640 a child
00:16:47.400 that you
00:16:47.740 made sick
00:16:48.500 so that you
00:16:49.260 can get
00:16:49.620 whatever you
00:16:50.080 want out of
00:16:50.720 the world.
00:16:51.880 Essentially
00:16:52.360 cashing him
00:16:53.160 in as
00:16:53.860 social capital.
00:16:56.800 That's what
00:16:57.400 this mother
00:16:57.800 has been doing.
00:16:58.740 This mother
00:16:59.420 for years
00:17:00.100 has been
00:17:00.540 making this
00:17:01.180 child sick.
00:17:02.040 She has
00:17:02.340 infused
00:17:03.120 gender dysphoria
00:17:04.400 into his
00:17:05.360 head.
00:17:06.180 She has
00:17:06.460 caused it
00:17:07.520 in order
00:17:11.120 to achieve
00:17:12.480 whatever it
00:17:12.980 is she
00:17:13.260 hopes to
00:17:13.620 achieve for
00:17:14.060 herself.
00:17:16.500 And that's
00:17:17.320 one of the
00:17:17.880 reasons why
00:17:18.460 I feel
00:17:19.300 no compunction
00:17:20.120 about being
00:17:21.080 very harsh
00:17:21.660 in my
00:17:22.740 approach to
00:17:23.500 this woman
00:17:23.960 because there
00:17:26.200 is no way
00:17:26.880 in hell,
00:17:27.300 especially when
00:17:27.680 you consider
00:17:27.940 she's a
00:17:28.440 pediatrician,
00:17:29.700 God help
00:17:30.180 us.
00:17:31.240 There is
00:17:31.760 no way
00:17:32.360 in hell
00:17:33.140 she actually
00:17:34.640 believes this
00:17:35.760 nonsense about
00:17:36.880 how there's
00:17:38.580 a daughter
00:17:39.060 trapped inside
00:17:39.720 her son's
00:17:40.140 body.
00:17:40.920 There's no
00:17:41.540 way she
00:17:41.960 really believes
00:17:42.520 that.
00:17:43.120 No one who
00:17:43.840 understands
00:17:44.360 anything about
00:17:45.080 science,
00:17:45.620 anyone who
00:17:45.920 has any
00:17:46.160 medical
00:17:46.560 training,
00:17:47.120 there is
00:17:47.340 no way
00:17:47.740 you possibly
00:17:48.340 believe that,
00:17:49.100 especially when
00:17:49.980 you as the
00:17:50.540 mother know
00:17:51.360 that you
00:17:52.140 have been
00:17:52.520 working on
00:17:53.280 this with
00:17:53.720 the kid
00:17:54.160 practically
00:17:54.860 since he
00:17:55.400 was born.
00:17:57.760 So this
00:17:58.480 is not a
00:17:59.060 case of an
00:18:00.360 unfortunately
00:18:00.820 confused and
00:18:02.160 misled
00:18:02.660 mother.
00:18:03.260 No,
00:18:03.580 that's not
00:18:04.040 what this
00:18:04.400 is.
00:18:08.000 But you
00:18:08.600 see how
00:18:09.100 strong the
00:18:10.300 biological
00:18:10.780 impulse is
00:18:11.820 that this
00:18:12.400 in some
00:18:13.600 ways it
00:18:13.920 makes it
00:18:14.400 even sadder
00:18:15.520 that this
00:18:16.040 poor boy
00:18:16.820 has been
00:18:17.900 resisting this
00:18:18.780 for years.
00:18:19.800 And think
00:18:20.340 about that.
00:18:20.880 Think about
00:18:21.180 what that
00:18:21.600 requires.
00:18:22.380 This has
00:18:22.980 been for
00:18:23.880 years now,
00:18:24.600 since he
00:18:24.860 was three
00:18:25.240 years old,
00:18:26.120 his mother
00:18:26.560 has been
00:18:26.780 trying to
00:18:27.180 brainwash
00:18:27.700 him.
00:18:28.100 But still
00:18:28.840 when he
00:18:29.140 goes to
00:18:29.500 his father's
00:18:30.080 house,
00:18:30.480 it's like
00:18:30.960 he's relieved
00:18:31.620 that he can
00:18:32.060 finally take
00:18:32.680 off the
00:18:33.140 freaking
00:18:33.460 dress and
00:18:34.760 dress like
00:18:35.300 a boy and
00:18:36.480 go and
00:18:37.140 roll around
00:18:37.600 in the mud
00:18:38.020 and do
00:18:38.280 what boys
00:18:38.700 do.
00:18:39.700 He still
00:18:40.640 has that
00:18:41.100 impulse.
00:18:41.540 Now,
00:18:42.560 eventually he
00:18:43.560 will lose
00:18:44.080 it.
00:18:45.240 And this
00:18:45.480 is what
00:18:45.740 will happen
00:18:46.300 after all
00:18:48.060 of this
00:18:48.380 brainwashing.
00:18:49.300 And then
00:18:49.460 they're going
00:18:49.680 to start
00:18:50.000 him on the
00:18:50.380 drugs and
00:18:51.040 they're going
00:18:51.240 to chemically
00:18:51.700 castrate
00:18:52.300 him.
00:18:53.700 And so,
00:18:54.460 you know,
00:18:56.000 10,
00:18:56.520 15 years
00:18:57.160 from now,
00:18:57.660 if you
00:19:00.280 talk to
00:19:00.840 this child
00:19:01.380 who now
00:19:02.880 will be
00:19:03.220 an adult,
00:19:04.540 he'll tell
00:19:05.300 you about
00:19:05.680 how he
00:19:06.100 identifies
00:19:06.620 as a
00:19:07.220 woman and
00:19:07.780 this is
00:19:08.520 who he
00:19:09.400 is deep
00:19:09.820 inside and
00:19:10.420 he's known
00:19:10.860 it since
00:19:11.180 he was a
00:19:11.560 little kid
00:19:12.160 and everything.
00:19:13.400 This is really
00:19:14.080 who he is.
00:19:15.220 That's what
00:19:15.640 he'll tell
00:19:15.980 you because
00:19:16.280 that's what
00:19:16.580 he'll think
00:19:17.000 about himself.
00:19:18.180 People who
00:19:18.600 are brainwashed
00:19:19.540 don't know
00:19:20.240 they've been
00:19:20.720 brainwashed.
00:19:21.420 But the
00:19:24.520 other thing
00:19:24.900 is that
00:19:25.240 even 15
00:19:26.440 years from
00:19:26.940 now,
00:19:27.640 when he
00:19:28.780 is insisting
00:19:29.540 that about
00:19:30.000 himself,
00:19:30.460 that he's
00:19:30.700 really a
00:19:31.060 woman and
00:19:31.500 he's always
00:19:31.880 known this
00:19:32.420 and everything,
00:19:33.860 he still
00:19:34.440 is going
00:19:34.820 to be
00:19:35.320 deeply
00:19:36.200 in misery
00:19:37.400 and depressed
00:19:38.680 because this
00:19:39.580 is,
00:19:40.360 transgender
00:19:41.020 people have
00:19:42.460 massively higher
00:19:43.400 rates of
00:19:43.820 suicide,
00:19:44.760 they have
00:19:44.960 lower life,
00:19:45.700 they have
00:19:45.960 shorter life
00:19:46.880 expectancies
00:19:47.600 and all of
00:19:48.960 that and for
00:19:49.600 all we hear
00:19:50.280 about,
00:19:50.740 oh,
00:19:50.760 it's because
00:19:51.140 of bullying
00:19:51.660 and because
00:19:52.160 they're not
00:19:52.440 accepted in
00:19:53.060 society.
00:19:53.800 No,
00:19:54.060 that's not
00:19:54.660 it.
00:19:56.880 It's because
00:19:57.640 these are
00:19:58.120 people who
00:19:59.380 struggle at
00:20:01.600 such a basic
00:20:02.620 level to
00:20:03.220 accept
00:20:03.940 themselves for
00:20:05.420 who they
00:20:05.880 really are
00:20:06.920 and there
00:20:08.820 is a lot
00:20:09.380 of misery
00:20:09.980 and pain
00:20:10.700 that comes
00:20:11.240 with that
00:20:11.660 and this
00:20:12.380 mother has
00:20:12.880 put that
00:20:13.520 on her
00:20:14.020 child.
00:20:18.740 All right,
00:20:19.560 I almost
00:20:20.060 succeeded in
00:20:20.720 talking about
00:20:21.180 that without
00:20:21.540 screaming.
00:20:22.240 I did the
00:20:22.560 best I
00:20:22.900 could.
00:20:25.360 I hope
00:20:26.420 that,
00:20:27.080 look,
00:20:27.420 this is,
00:20:28.760 I don't
00:20:29.220 know what
00:20:29.520 can be
00:20:29.940 done about
00:20:31.900 this,
00:20:32.440 but I
00:20:33.600 think that
00:20:34.120 the same
00:20:35.840 people in
00:20:36.660 the government
00:20:37.340 down there
00:20:37.740 in Texas,
00:20:38.160 if they can
00:20:40.180 step in,
00:20:40.840 they need to,
00:20:41.520 or at the
00:20:42.200 very least,
00:20:42.920 guys like
00:20:43.400 Ted Cruz
00:20:44.040 and Governor
00:20:44.560 Abbott,
00:20:44.920 they need to
00:20:45.340 speak up and
00:20:46.100 say something
00:20:46.720 about this
00:20:47.460 case.
00:20:48.480 Even if they
00:20:49.080 can't do
00:20:49.580 anything about
00:20:50.180 it, just
00:20:50.520 speak up and
00:20:51.820 defend this
00:20:52.340 child.
00:20:52.860 I know there
00:20:53.200 are a lot of
00:20:53.560 people down
00:20:53.940 there in
00:20:54.220 Texas, a lot
00:20:55.460 of people in
00:20:55.840 the community
00:20:56.300 that have been
00:20:57.160 speaking out and
00:20:58.100 protesting.
00:20:58.720 I think more
00:20:59.120 people need to
00:20:59.840 and people in
00:21:00.460 positions of
00:21:01.040 power there
00:21:02.240 need to speak
00:21:03.240 up.
00:21:04.360 We're at a
00:21:05.160 point now where
00:21:05.960 if you are a
00:21:07.520 sane, decent
00:21:08.300 person and you
00:21:09.180 know better and
00:21:10.680 you know that
00:21:11.220 this is crazy and
00:21:12.240 you understand
00:21:12.920 what's happening
00:21:13.540 to these
00:21:13.860 children, you
00:21:14.680 need to speak
00:21:15.580 up.
00:21:15.820 You can't
00:21:16.380 stay silent
00:21:16.960 anymore.
00:21:17.400 You just
00:21:17.760 can't.
00:21:20.780 All right.
00:21:23.080 Let's move
00:21:25.160 on.
00:21:25.440 We'll see what
00:21:25.740 else we've got
00:21:26.580 going on here.
00:21:27.440 So there was
00:21:27.800 this case.
00:21:31.020 The New York
00:21:31.640 Post is
00:21:32.480 reporting a
00:21:33.100 case out of
00:21:35.460 the University
00:21:35.940 of Connecticut.
00:21:36.420 Let me read a
00:21:38.120 little bit of
00:21:38.500 the New York
00:21:40.880 Post report.
00:21:41.480 It says,
00:21:42.460 two white
00:21:43.380 students at
00:21:44.040 the University
00:21:44.480 of Connecticut
00:21:45.000 were arrested
00:21:46.660 for shouting
00:21:47.580 racial slurs
00:21:48.500 as they
00:21:48.880 walked through
00:21:49.320 a parking
00:21:49.760 lot outside
00:21:50.340 student
00:21:50.700 apartments
00:21:51.160 earlier this
00:21:51.800 month,
00:21:52.540 according to
00:21:52.940 a report.
00:21:54.560 The suspects,
00:21:56.680 21-year-old
00:21:57.480 students Jared
00:21:58.280 Carroll and
00:21:59.420 Ryan
00:21:59.980 Mukaj, I
00:22:01.340 don't know how
00:22:01.560 to pronounce
00:22:01.860 his last
00:22:02.160 name, were
00:22:03.000 arrested by
00:22:03.660 campus police
00:22:04.520 Monday after
00:22:06.180 they were
00:22:06.440 captured on a
00:22:07.000 viral video
00:22:07.600 repeatedly
00:22:08.060 shouting the
00:22:08.720 N-word.
00:22:10.540 Students
00:22:11.020 launched large
00:22:11.940 rallies and
00:22:12.660 protests of the
00:22:13.500 video in the
00:22:14.040 campus chapter of
00:22:14.840 the NAACP
00:22:15.520 demanded school
00:22:16.160 officials take
00:22:16.780 action against
00:22:17.420 the pair.
00:22:18.380 The arrests of
00:22:19.060 Carroll and
00:22:19.600 Mukaj were
00:22:20.420 announced hours
00:22:21.780 after a march
00:22:22.560 against racism.
00:22:24.440 Now get this,
00:22:26.240 these two guys
00:22:27.160 were each charged,
00:22:28.400 they were
00:22:28.640 charged, I'm
00:22:29.620 quoting now,
00:22:30.480 charged with
00:22:31.040 ridicule on
00:22:32.400 account of
00:22:33.000 creed, religion,
00:22:34.060 color, denomination,
00:22:35.240 nationality, or race.
00:22:39.180 Police who
00:22:39.820 investigated the
00:22:40.440 case discovered
00:22:41.000 the two students
00:22:41.660 walked through the
00:22:42.440 woods, through the
00:22:43.700 apartment complex
00:22:44.440 playing a game
00:22:45.760 in which they
00:22:46.940 yelled vulgar
00:22:47.700 words and
00:22:49.280 there was another
00:22:50.140 student who was
00:22:50.620 with them and
00:22:51.260 didn't participate
00:22:51.800 in the game.
00:22:52.180 Okay, charged
00:22:54.360 with ridicule.
00:22:55.040 Actually, back up
00:22:55.700 for a second.
00:22:57.560 So you've got
00:22:58.160 these two guys
00:23:00.080 walking down
00:23:02.940 campus shouting
00:23:03.960 bad words playing
00:23:04.980 a game.
00:23:05.520 Stupid game,
00:23:07.120 I'm sure we all
00:23:07.920 agree, but it's
00:23:08.980 just a game and
00:23:10.180 they're just
00:23:10.940 joking.
00:23:12.760 Inappropriate,
00:23:13.440 fine, you want
00:23:14.220 to say it's
00:23:14.560 offensive, fine,
00:23:15.960 but that's what
00:23:17.580 it is.
00:23:18.840 Before we even
00:23:19.560 get to the fact
00:23:19.960 that they were
00:23:20.340 arrested and
00:23:20.960 charged with a
00:23:21.540 crime, you
00:23:23.900 had marches
00:23:25.900 and rallies
00:23:26.700 about what?
00:23:29.140 Because two
00:23:30.020 kids walking
00:23:31.020 down the street
00:23:31.940 were shouting
00:23:32.800 bad words?
00:23:34.420 What do you
00:23:35.040 need to march
00:23:35.560 against?
00:23:36.420 Yeah, everyone
00:23:37.040 agrees that it's
00:23:38.180 not good that
00:23:38.800 they did that.
00:23:40.220 So what are
00:23:40.620 you, what, of
00:23:42.000 all the things,
00:23:43.560 activism in this
00:23:44.600 country has
00:23:45.300 become so
00:23:46.600 completely
00:23:47.640 frivolous.
00:23:50.520 And you see
00:23:51.740 how desperate
00:23:52.620 people are for
00:23:53.580 a cause.
00:23:54.900 You know, people
00:23:55.340 need a cause to
00:23:56.460 believe in and
00:23:57.320 to fight for.
00:23:58.520 And if you're
00:23:59.080 not going to
00:23:59.740 fight for real
00:24:00.540 causes and for
00:24:01.880 things that really
00:24:02.600 matter, then
00:24:03.540 you're stuck with
00:24:04.160 something like
00:24:04.620 this.
00:24:05.340 Let's take to
00:24:06.220 the streets and
00:24:07.400 march because
00:24:08.480 two guys on
00:24:09.920 the campus
00:24:10.480 said a bad
00:24:11.440 word.
00:24:14.720 My God.
00:24:17.200 Now, but
00:24:18.540 that's, that's,
00:24:19.380 that's even,
00:24:20.940 that's just
00:24:21.320 besides the
00:24:21.840 point because
00:24:22.260 the real issue
00:24:23.060 here is that
00:24:23.720 the police got
00:24:24.500 involved and
00:24:26.080 charged them
00:24:26.820 with ridicule.
00:24:28.780 Did you know
00:24:29.620 that that was
00:24:30.040 even a crime
00:24:30.680 you could be
00:24:31.040 charged with?
00:24:32.020 Ridicule?
00:24:32.500 If that's a
00:24:35.280 criminal offense,
00:24:36.900 then every
00:24:38.600 single person
00:24:39.780 in America
00:24:40.980 should be in
00:24:41.980 jail because
00:24:42.820 everybody in
00:24:43.920 America has
00:24:44.600 engaged in
00:24:45.200 ridicule at
00:24:46.740 some point in
00:24:47.280 their life.
00:24:48.740 Just go on
00:24:49.660 Twitter right
00:24:50.240 now.
00:24:50.720 Go to
00:24:50.980 Twitter and
00:24:52.740 all of those
00:24:54.020 people, arrest
00:24:54.620 all of them.
00:24:55.920 Every single
00:24:56.440 person with a
00:24:56.880 Twitter account,
00:24:57.720 they all, because
00:24:58.140 that's the only
00:24:58.740 reason Twitter
00:24:59.160 exists, to
00:24:59.900 ridicule people.
00:25:00.660 Charged with
00:25:04.080 a crime.
00:25:04.540 So the
00:25:04.820 First Amendment
00:25:05.240 doesn't exist
00:25:05.940 basically is what
00:25:06.520 we're learning.
00:25:07.020 This is just
00:25:07.640 free speech,
00:25:08.820 First Amendment
00:25:09.240 doesn't exist.
00:25:12.600 If you could be
00:25:13.440 charged with a
00:25:13.900 crime for
00:25:14.540 ridiculing, and
00:25:16.060 the thing is,
00:25:17.040 they, it wasn't
00:25:17.940 even ridicule.
00:25:18.760 They weren't
00:25:19.060 even, it's not
00:25:19.980 even like, you
00:25:20.640 can't say, oh,
00:25:21.120 it was harassment.
00:25:21.860 They weren't
00:25:22.140 harassing anyone.
00:25:22.840 They weren't
00:25:23.280 talking to anyone.
00:25:24.660 They were
00:25:24.980 literally just
00:25:25.660 shouting into the
00:25:26.600 thin air.
00:25:28.160 Again, you can,
00:25:29.380 you could say
00:25:30.040 it's stupid,
00:25:30.660 it's offensive,
00:25:31.360 it's fine, I
00:25:32.060 agree with you
00:25:32.720 on that.
00:25:35.600 But who
00:25:36.260 were they
00:25:36.540 ridiculing?
00:25:38.100 Aside from
00:25:38.840 themselves.
00:25:43.380 If, if this
00:25:45.040 is illegal, then
00:25:45.800 the First
00:25:46.100 Amendment doesn't
00:25:46.880 exist.
00:25:47.520 You, you
00:25:48.180 don't, what's,
00:25:49.320 what function
00:25:49.880 does the First
00:25:50.440 Amendment even
00:25:51.180 serve?
00:25:52.820 If the First
00:25:53.620 Amendment doesn't
00:25:55.000 cover this, then
00:25:56.500 what do you even
00:25:57.180 have it for?
00:25:57.800 because the
00:26:00.220 whole point, as
00:26:01.000 many people have
00:26:02.700 pointed out, and
00:26:03.440 as always needs to
00:26:05.080 be pointed out with
00:26:05.680 cases like this, you
00:26:07.480 only need the First
00:26:08.920 Amendment to
00:26:10.320 protect offensive
00:26:11.720 speech that nobody
00:26:12.920 likes.
00:26:13.960 Because if it's
00:26:14.860 unoffensive speech
00:26:16.120 that no one cares
00:26:17.540 about or everyone
00:26:18.240 agrees with, then
00:26:19.760 you don't need a
00:26:20.680 First Amendment at
00:26:21.220 all.
00:26:21.560 We don't, you
00:26:21.900 don't need to
00:26:22.540 specially protect that
00:26:23.660 kind of speech.
00:26:25.140 In fact, you
00:26:25.640 could go anywhere,
00:26:26.620 you could go to
00:26:27.160 North Korea and,
00:26:29.220 and say stuff that
00:26:31.000 people there will
00:26:32.740 agree with and
00:26:34.180 like.
00:26:35.060 You could, now,
00:26:35.840 what, what people
00:26:37.300 will agree with and
00:26:38.080 the kind of speech
00:26:38.600 people will like,
00:26:39.240 that's going to
00:26:39.640 change depending on
00:26:40.860 where you are.
00:26:43.040 But you can go
00:26:44.480 anywhere in the
00:26:45.840 world and say
00:26:47.140 things that are
00:26:48.040 culturally appropriate
00:26:49.660 according to the
00:26:51.300 culture that you
00:26:51.820 happen to be in at
00:26:52.640 the moment.
00:26:54.920 And many of those
00:26:55.840 places, like North
00:26:56.620 Korea, for example,
00:26:57.840 don't have free
00:26:58.380 speech protections.
00:27:01.400 Because in those
00:27:02.440 places they don't
00:27:02.880 have free speech,
00:27:03.600 what they're saying
00:27:04.180 is, yeah, you can
00:27:04.780 say culturally
00:27:05.380 acceptable things,
00:27:06.800 but that's all you
00:27:07.800 can say.
00:27:08.320 You can't say
00:27:08.780 anything that's
00:27:09.180 culturally unacceptable
00:27:10.280 and that's why we
00:27:10.920 don't have a First
00:27:11.420 Amendment in that
00:27:12.760 country.
00:27:16.080 So, that's, that's,
00:27:19.800 that's what it is.
00:27:20.680 So if you say, oh,
00:27:21.920 yes, but it was,
00:27:22.640 it's offensive and
00:27:23.400 horrible, yeah,
00:27:24.140 agreed, agreed,
00:27:24.900 agreed, I agree with
00:27:25.640 all of that.
00:27:28.560 But yes, you can say
00:27:29.880 offensive and horrible
00:27:30.660 things.
00:27:33.240 We act like free
00:27:34.360 speech is this
00:27:35.160 really complicated,
00:27:36.400 complex, really
00:27:37.400 nuanced subject.
00:27:38.840 And maybe there are
00:27:39.600 some nuances to it,
00:27:41.120 yes, but it's not
00:27:42.140 that hard to
00:27:42.920 understand.
00:27:44.100 And for me,
00:27:46.180 when I look at how
00:27:47.460 the First Amendment
00:27:47.980 is written,
00:27:50.360 not the language
00:27:51.300 and the spirit
00:27:52.300 of it, what it was
00:27:53.060 meant to do,
00:27:53.960 it's pretty clear to
00:27:55.220 me that the First
00:27:56.100 Amendment is supposed
00:27:56.820 to give you the
00:27:57.520 right to say
00:27:59.300 whatever you want,
00:28:01.820 provided you are
00:28:03.860 not defaming or
00:28:06.100 slandering someone,
00:28:07.100 or otherwise
00:28:09.860 trying to directly
00:28:15.700 cause physical
00:28:17.120 harm to another
00:28:17.720 person.
00:28:18.160 So the example
00:28:19.160 of shouting
00:28:21.140 fire in a
00:28:22.180 crowded theater,
00:28:22.980 okay, of course
00:28:23.460 you can't do that
00:28:24.240 unless there is a
00:28:25.120 fire.
00:28:26.520 But if there isn't,
00:28:27.360 you can't do that,
00:28:27.800 that is going to
00:28:28.340 directly cause harm
00:28:29.720 to people.
00:28:30.260 It could cause harm
00:28:31.360 from the stampede of
00:28:32.260 people running out of
00:28:32.940 the theater, it'll
00:28:34.020 cause harm to the
00:28:34.820 business that you've
00:28:35.640 just, where you've
00:28:36.180 just caused all
00:28:36.740 these people to go
00:28:37.300 running out.
00:28:38.660 So yes, that's
00:28:39.580 going to cause
00:28:39.900 direct harm.
00:28:42.820 But other than
00:28:43.620 that, you can say
00:28:45.200 whatever you want,
00:28:45.780 that's the way it
00:28:46.280 should be.
00:28:47.520 And there's no
00:28:48.260 real downside.
00:28:49.620 So you think about
00:28:50.340 what's the downside?
00:28:51.900 So we have to
00:28:52.620 compare.
00:28:53.740 On one hand, you
00:28:54.920 could have a crime
00:28:55.920 against ridicule and
00:28:57.360 arrest people for it.
00:29:00.940 Or you could say,
00:29:02.800 well, basically say
00:29:03.820 whatever you want as
00:29:04.520 long as you're not
00:29:04.940 directly causing harm
00:29:06.780 to another person.
00:29:08.760 What's the downside
00:29:09.760 to that first plan?
00:29:12.780 Having a crime
00:29:13.620 against, having a law
00:29:15.040 against ridicule.
00:29:17.620 Well, the plus side
00:29:18.700 is, I guess, you're
00:29:19.600 protecting people's
00:29:20.300 feelings.
00:29:20.780 Okay.
00:29:21.300 The downside is
00:29:22.760 you have created
00:29:25.080 this subjective
00:29:26.600 law where the people
00:29:30.140 in power get to
00:29:31.580 decide, because what
00:29:32.360 counts as ridicule,
00:29:33.320 you would talk about
00:29:33.840 hate speech.
00:29:36.640 I was talking about
00:29:38.240 this on Twitter and
00:29:39.060 some people were
00:29:39.580 saying, oh, what
00:29:41.080 do you support hate
00:29:42.520 speech now?
00:29:44.420 No, I don't support
00:29:45.480 hate speech in the
00:29:47.500 sense of supporting
00:29:49.100 the content and
00:29:50.460 advocating that people
00:29:51.400 engage in it,
00:29:52.180 whatever it is, but
00:29:53.260 that's the point.
00:29:53.960 What is it?
00:29:55.460 Something like
00:29:56.040 ridicule, hate
00:29:56.840 speech, that is
00:29:57.640 subjective.
00:29:59.160 It's going to depend
00:30:00.020 on your perspective.
00:30:03.660 So, you can have a
00:30:05.080 crime against
00:30:05.440 ridicule, plus
00:30:06.220 side is, protect
00:30:08.240 people's feelings,
00:30:09.380 some people's
00:30:10.060 feelings, sometimes.
00:30:11.940 Downside is, now
00:30:13.000 you have given this
00:30:13.680 authority to the
00:30:14.300 people in power to
00:30:15.700 subjectively determine
00:30:17.100 what they consider to
00:30:19.120 be hate speech and
00:30:20.560 ridicule, and then to
00:30:23.260 clamp down on speech
00:30:25.400 by that standard.
00:30:29.520 On the other hand, we
00:30:30.920 could say, let's not
00:30:31.860 do that, and let's
00:30:33.860 let people say
00:30:35.020 whatever they want,
00:30:35.740 as long as they're
00:30:36.280 not directly causing
00:30:37.180 harm to another
00:30:37.680 person.
00:30:39.420 Plus side is, now
00:30:41.020 we've got free speech,
00:30:42.120 we live in a free
00:30:42.780 country, people are
00:30:44.120 protected in their
00:30:45.100 ability to express
00:30:46.060 themselves.
00:30:47.860 What's the downside?
00:30:49.040 Downside is, people
00:30:50.700 are going to be
00:30:51.100 allowed to say some
00:30:52.240 tasteless things, some
00:30:54.700 crass and crude
00:30:55.480 things, and it
00:30:56.500 might be kind of
00:30:57.000 annoying to listen
00:30:57.720 to, and it might
00:30:58.480 even hurt your
00:30:59.020 feelings.
00:30:59.560 That's the downside.
00:31:01.440 So on one hand, the
00:31:02.220 downside is tyranny.
00:31:04.460 On the other hand, the
00:31:05.980 downside is hurt
00:31:08.080 feelings.
00:31:14.040 Which one, which is
00:31:16.240 the better course of
00:31:16.920 action?
00:31:17.220 It seems obvious to
00:31:18.040 me.
00:31:21.980 All right.
00:31:23.380 I guess I've got to be
00:31:24.220 careful now, doing
00:31:26.060 this show, if ridicule
00:31:28.780 is against the law.
00:31:29.760 I might be, I've got
00:31:30.660 to be honest, I'm
00:31:31.440 probably in a lot of
00:31:32.120 trouble.
00:31:32.740 Let's go to emails,
00:31:33.560 mattwalshow at
00:31:34.280 gmail.com, mattwalshow
00:31:35.940 at gmail.com.
00:31:37.920 This is from Trevor,
00:31:39.440 says, your tweets
00:31:40.800 about pitbulls are what
00:31:42.020 I expect from leftists.
00:31:43.780 Should we ban guns
00:31:44.920 too?
00:31:45.280 Your arguments
00:31:45.760 against pitbulls are
00:31:46.680 the exact arguments
00:31:47.580 leftists use.
00:31:48.880 You need to get off
00:31:49.660 this crusade because
00:31:50.760 you're embarrassing
00:31:51.440 yourself.
00:31:52.100 Pitbulls don't kill
00:31:52.980 people, bad owners
00:31:54.160 do, in all caps.
00:31:55.540 Raise your pitbull
00:31:56.320 right and it's not a
00:31:57.300 problem.
00:31:59.420 Hi, Trevor.
00:32:00.140 Yes, Trevor
00:32:00.720 references back and
00:32:02.340 forth on social media
00:32:03.180 between me and a
00:32:03.840 bunch of pitbull
00:32:04.440 owners who are
00:32:05.860 famously a pretty
00:32:06.760 irrational bunch.
00:32:07.820 No offense.
00:32:09.100 It's just that when it
00:32:10.280 comes to social media
00:32:11.240 mobs, I found that
00:32:12.960 Beyonce fans are the
00:32:15.340 most irrational and
00:32:16.500 then a close second
00:32:18.020 would be pitbull
00:32:21.500 owners.
00:32:21.800 It kind of goes like
00:32:22.900 that.
00:32:23.140 And then probably
00:32:23.460 Star Wars fans are
00:32:24.440 right after.
00:32:24.920 That's sort of the
00:32:25.680 unholy trinity of
00:32:26.920 irrational Twitter
00:32:28.540 mobs.
00:32:29.540 I don't remember what
00:32:30.260 started this particular
00:32:31.280 round of argument on
00:32:32.100 the subject.
00:32:32.760 I think it was, yeah,
00:32:34.100 it was, it was, okay,
00:32:35.040 it was, I saw a tweet
00:32:37.100 that someone posted.
00:32:38.900 And pitbull owners are
00:32:40.080 always doing this.
00:32:40.800 It's the dumbest
00:32:41.460 argument where they go,
00:32:42.940 oh yeah, pitbulls are
00:32:43.960 real aggressive, huh?
00:32:45.040 Well, well, look at
00:32:45.780 this dangerous beast.
00:32:46.940 And then they, it's a
00:32:48.300 picture of their pitbull,
00:32:49.340 you know, cutely
00:32:49.880 snuggling on a, on a,
00:32:51.440 on a, on a furry carpet
00:32:53.100 next to a fireplace as if
00:32:55.180 that somehow proves that
00:32:57.100 pitbulls are safe.
00:32:58.140 As if a, as if a picture of
00:33:00.120 a pitbull not killing people
00:33:02.020 proves that pitbulls don't
00:33:04.360 kill people.
00:33:05.220 As if the cuteness of an
00:33:07.040 animal somehow correlates
00:33:09.080 with its relative safety.
00:33:10.300 Now, if that's true, then
00:33:12.520 grizzly bears, I guess,
00:33:13.840 are the safest animals in
00:33:15.220 the world.
00:33:16.120 Oh, you think grizzly
00:33:16.900 bears will eat your face?
00:33:18.160 Well, look at this picture
00:33:19.060 of a grizzly bear not
00:33:20.480 eating anyone's face.
00:33:22.140 Checkmate.
00:33:24.040 Just really dumb.
00:33:26.500 Here's the statistical
00:33:27.540 reality.
00:33:28.880 And you can go ahead and
00:33:29.860 you can Google this in
00:33:30.740 fact check me.
00:33:31.780 Don't take my word for it.
00:33:34.040 By far, by far, the most
00:33:36.960 lethal breed of dog in the
00:33:38.700 country is the pitbull.
00:33:39.760 They kill more people than
00:33:42.060 any other breed of dog.
00:33:43.460 It's not close.
00:33:44.840 They win that horrible
00:33:46.140 competition by a landslide.
00:33:48.060 And that's not even
00:33:48.840 counting all the people who
00:33:49.820 are mauled by pitbulls
00:33:51.080 and don't die.
00:33:53.940 There's information on the
00:33:54.940 website dogbitelaw.com.
00:33:57.120 You can go check it out.
00:33:57.760 It has a report showing that
00:33:59.200 in many parts of the
00:33:59.880 country, pitbulls not only
00:34:01.760 lead in mauling deaths, but
00:34:04.460 they also lead in dog bite
00:34:06.160 incidents at all, period.
00:34:07.820 So they bite the most
00:34:09.120 people and they're the most
00:34:10.820 likely to kill you when
00:34:12.360 they do bite you.
00:34:13.820 And this says nothing of
00:34:15.000 all the other dogs that are
00:34:16.180 attacked by pitbulls, which
00:34:17.820 is far more common even
00:34:19.120 than that.
00:34:19.900 Let me read a quick email
00:34:20.920 from someone else who sent
00:34:22.340 me on this subject.
00:34:24.220 Someone who worked at an
00:34:25.320 animal shelter.
00:34:27.360 This is from Erin.
00:34:28.560 This is what she had to
00:34:29.380 say.
00:34:29.600 She said, I'm a registered
00:34:30.320 veterinary technician from
00:34:31.380 California.
00:34:31.780 I worked at a municipal
00:34:32.740 animal shelter where we
00:34:33.960 receive the bite dogs to
00:34:37.120 either keep until their
00:34:38.080 rabies hold was up or to
00:34:39.620 euthanize if the owners
00:34:40.760 wanted.
00:34:42.960 A rabies hold is the
00:34:44.140 period of time a dog is
00:34:45.140 kept under observation to
00:34:46.240 ensure the dog doesn't have
00:34:47.280 any rabies symptoms if no
00:34:48.680 rabies vaccine is on file.
00:34:50.640 Bite dogs, in quotes, come in
00:34:52.700 many breeds and sizes, but the
00:34:54.140 worst, always the very worst
00:34:56.140 bites were bully breeds.
00:34:57.700 It was absolutely terrifying the
00:34:59.240 damage those dogs can and will
00:35:00.940 do.
00:35:01.680 I used to advocate for them
00:35:03.080 and I was staunchly against
00:35:04.180 breed-specific legislation, but
00:35:08.560 after seeing the damage they
00:35:09.840 do, I wish they would breed
00:35:11.600 them all out.
00:35:12.840 Multiple times a week we
00:35:14.100 receive reports of these
00:35:15.720 four-legged terrorists ripping
00:35:17.220 apart other animals and
00:35:18.820 generally once a week there was
00:35:20.040 a tragic human incident.
00:35:21.760 There's no reason for this.
00:35:22.840 There are dozens of other
00:35:23.780 breeds out there.
00:35:24.700 Why are people so weird about
00:35:26.180 bully breeds?
00:35:27.640 And that's the thing about
00:35:28.500 pit bulls.
00:35:29.280 It's not just that they're
00:35:30.520 naturally aggressive, though
00:35:31.720 they are.
00:35:32.260 It's that they're built
00:35:34.520 biologically to inflict
00:35:36.120 maximum damage.
00:35:38.820 Okay?
00:35:39.880 That's, this is also why it's
00:35:42.680 dumb to own many other kinds
00:35:45.280 of animals.
00:35:45.960 You see people who have
00:35:47.540 pythons as pets.
00:35:50.800 Now, pythons can be
00:35:53.220 temperamental, but that's not
00:35:54.540 even the main point.
00:35:55.440 The point is, because they're
00:35:56.420 snakes, but the point is that
00:35:58.240 they are built to be killing
00:36:00.000 machines.
00:36:00.700 That's the problem.
00:36:02.700 And you hear these tragic
00:36:03.600 cases of a pet python
00:36:05.780 killing a child or whatever.
00:36:07.020 It doesn't happen all that
00:36:07.860 often, but it does happen.
00:36:10.580 And since it's an animal,
00:36:11.860 this is an animal we're
00:36:13.120 talking about, right?
00:36:14.600 So you can never really know
00:36:16.160 how they're going to react or
00:36:17.480 what's going on inside their
00:36:18.700 head.
00:36:18.960 You can't reason with them,
00:36:20.700 and you can't really ever
00:36:22.120 trust them completely,
00:36:23.740 because you don't know what,
00:36:27.360 no, nobody really understands
00:36:29.840 animal psychology.
00:36:32.020 Nobody really understands human
00:36:33.420 psychology all the way.
00:36:34.500 Forget about animal psychology.
00:36:37.700 So when you, you have a pitbull,
00:36:39.040 he's, I have a pitbull, we'll
00:36:39.860 never do that.
00:36:40.520 My pitbull's a sweetie.
00:36:41.900 You don't know what the hell your
00:36:43.220 pitbull is thinking.
00:36:44.220 You have no idea.
00:36:45.480 You have no clue.
00:36:46.740 Yes, you could have general
00:36:49.940 sort of confidence that a
00:36:51.620 particular dog is safe, but you
00:36:53.900 can't know for sure about any
00:36:56.600 dog.
00:36:58.600 And you might say, well, then
00:36:59.860 what are you saying?
00:37:00.540 We should, you should, we
00:37:01.800 should just get rid of all
00:37:02.600 dogs.
00:37:03.100 No, I'm saying that because you
00:37:05.980 can never be sure with an
00:37:07.300 animal, because an animal is an
00:37:08.820 animal, that's why it's probably
00:37:10.920 best not to bring animals into
00:37:12.860 your home that could kill
00:37:15.260 somebody if they wanted to.
00:37:18.900 There's just no good reason to
00:37:20.400 do that.
00:37:22.260 Okay, so we'll do this exercise
00:37:24.240 again.
00:37:24.640 On the one hand, we have all the
00:37:26.140 stats proving beyond any doubt
00:37:27.640 that pitbulls are the most
00:37:28.580 dangerous breed of dog.
00:37:30.360 We have all the news stories of
00:37:32.940 pitbulls mauling children to
00:37:35.060 death.
00:37:35.820 We have all the other dogs that
00:37:37.040 have been mauled and killed by
00:37:38.140 pitbulls.
00:37:38.860 And that's why you shouldn't own
00:37:40.260 them.
00:37:41.860 As far as why you should, on the
00:37:43.400 other hand, I mean, what,
00:37:44.680 what, to outweigh all of that
00:37:48.460 statistical information, what can
00:37:51.460 you possibly present?
00:37:53.140 What's the argument for owning
00:37:55.080 them?
00:37:55.980 I'm not talking about an argument
00:37:57.660 that attempts to rationalize or
00:38:00.600 get around or evade the points
00:38:02.420 that I just made.
00:38:03.240 What is a positive, affirmative
00:38:05.240 argument for why it is good to own
00:38:07.520 them?
00:38:08.320 Because they're cute?
00:38:09.840 Because you like them?
00:38:11.020 It's just, it's not a, it's, there's
00:38:16.620 no good reason for it.
00:38:18.720 Now, as, Trevor, as for your
00:38:20.680 arguments, such as they are, you
00:38:22.240 say the argument against pitbulls is
00:38:24.520 like making an argument against gun
00:38:25.860 rights.
00:38:26.780 This is enormously stupid, but I hear
00:38:28.960 it from pitbull people all the time.
00:38:30.720 It is such a bad argument.
00:38:32.020 First of all, guns are inanimate
00:38:33.660 objects.
00:38:34.460 They don't, they don't have minds of
00:38:35.620 their own.
00:38:36.340 They're not going to hop over your
00:38:37.520 fence and go and shoot your
00:38:39.080 neighbor's kid on their own.
00:38:40.220 That's not going to happen.
00:38:42.140 Dogs are not inanimate objects.
00:38:44.080 They are animals with minds, minds
00:38:46.600 that we don't fully understand.
00:38:48.280 So this analogy just doesn't work.
00:38:49.680 The fact that dogs are not inanimate
00:38:52.480 objects and are animals that cannot
00:38:54.940 always be 100% controlled is the
00:38:58.080 point.
00:38:59.060 So to bring up some inanimate object
00:39:01.300 that has to be directly operated by
00:39:02.940 another person completely misses the
00:39:05.220 point.
00:39:06.800 Second, you don't have a constitutional
00:39:09.040 right to own whatever animal you want.
00:39:11.520 So that's another reason why that
00:39:12.780 analogy doesn't work.
00:39:14.620 If you, if there was such a
00:39:16.260 constitutional right, then you'd be
00:39:18.200 able to own bears and tigers and
00:39:20.480 chimps and any law against that would
00:39:22.820 be unconstitutional, which obviously
00:39:24.700 would be crazy.
00:39:27.260 So, um, you say pitbulls don't kill
00:39:29.980 people, bad owners do.
00:39:31.260 Now that's wrong.
00:39:32.020 Pitbulls definitely do kill people.
00:39:33.640 Uh, they do.
00:39:35.560 That's just a fact.
00:39:37.760 Um, now there might be pitbull owners
00:39:40.020 who also kill people, but that's a
00:39:41.600 separate subject.
00:39:42.340 The fact is pitbulls kill people.
00:39:44.800 Pitbulls are living creatures.
00:39:45.980 They aren't robots.
00:39:46.980 They aren't remote control toys.
00:39:49.000 Uh, pitbulls kill people on their own.
00:39:51.240 Yes, they do.
00:39:52.260 To the bad owner thing.
00:39:53.720 Okay.
00:39:53.960 And you hear this too.
00:39:54.640 This is the other, this is the other
00:39:55.700 common rationalization.
00:39:56.860 Oh, pitbulls, uh, it's all about the
00:39:59.160 owner.
00:39:59.400 Sure.
00:40:01.040 I agree that a pitbull with a bad
00:40:02.440 owner is going to probably be more
00:40:03.780 dangerous than a pitbull with a good
00:40:05.040 owner, but how do you ensure that the
00:40:07.460 owners are good?
00:40:09.460 What does it mean to be a good owner?
00:40:11.020 And how do you ensure that?
00:40:12.280 Are we doing, are we doing, uh, yearly
00:40:14.320 checkups to make sure that the owner is
00:40:16.340 still doing everything he's supposed to
00:40:17.400 do?
00:40:19.040 How could you possibly know?
00:40:22.120 There might be some basic red flags you
00:40:24.160 could look for.
00:40:24.800 Like, has this person been convicted of
00:40:26.520 dogfighting before?
00:40:27.520 Okay.
00:40:27.780 Well then yeah, sure.
00:40:28.520 That's probably not someone that should
00:40:29.560 get a pitbull, but other than that, if
00:40:31.940 it's just a normal looking person coming
00:40:33.580 in to adopt a pitbull, how are you
00:40:37.360 supposed to know if they're good or
00:40:38.860 not?
00:40:41.140 Um, and, and besides, isn't it really
00:40:45.000 foolish and reckless and insane to bring
00:40:47.480 an animal into your home who might rip
00:40:49.440 you apart limb from limb if you are not
00:40:51.440 fully attentive to it all the time and a
00:40:53.460 perfect owner in every way?
00:40:55.780 People tell me you just got to get pitbulls
00:40:57.900 a lot of attention.
00:40:58.700 Okay, but if you don't give them
00:41:00.340 attention, then what?
00:41:02.120 They'll kill something?
00:41:04.840 Yeah, I agree.
00:41:06.120 Yes, if you have one, give it attention, do
00:41:08.280 all that stuff.
00:41:09.020 But the, the problem is that the, the
00:41:12.240 downside to not being a great owner is
00:41:16.040 immense.
00:41:18.240 And it's not fair to put your community
00:41:21.020 in that position where we have to pay the
00:41:23.900 price if you fail as an owner.
00:41:27.160 Now, if somebody owns a poodle and they're
00:41:29.520 not a great poodle owner, then what does the
00:41:32.240 community have to deal with?
00:41:33.020 They have to deal with that yapping dog,
00:41:34.560 which is pretty annoying.
00:41:35.360 And worst case, the dog bites somebody and
00:41:38.800 it hurts and there's a little bit of a
00:41:40.180 mark, uh, and you know, and, and, and that's
00:41:43.220 it.
00:41:43.420 That's the worst case with a poodle.
00:41:47.880 If you were to compare all of the people, all
00:41:51.080 of the humans in history who have been killed
00:41:53.020 by poodles, I doubt it would even add up to
00:41:55.520 how many people that the pitbulls kill in one,
00:41:58.820 in one year.
00:42:00.080 So that's the issue.
00:42:01.420 Other kinds of dogs, if you have a owner who
00:42:04.560 isn't great, that's not good, but the price the
00:42:10.360 community will have to pay is relatively
00:42:13.320 negligible.
00:42:14.240 The problem though, with a pit bull is the
00:42:16.440 price the community has to pay.
00:42:18.040 If you're not raising the dog, right?
00:42:19.960 Is potentially fatal.
00:42:23.960 And so maybe it's best just to not bring those
00:42:29.160 animals into a community, you know, just choose
00:42:33.900 from any of the other dog breeds.
00:42:36.580 You don't need that one.
00:42:40.360 Okay.
00:42:42.420 This is from Kyle says, dear Matt, I wanted to
00:42:44.700 get your opinion on a recent experience.
00:42:46.280 I had the gas station.
00:42:47.480 I've honestly never run into this, but my wife
00:42:49.380 said it happens to her regularly and I wanted
00:42:51.220 to get your thoughts.
00:42:52.560 I was at a gas station with my family and every
00:42:54.780 pump was occupied.
00:42:55.840 I chose one where I thought the car ahead of
00:42:57.560 me was about to leave, but the occupant started
00:42:59.300 walking in the direction of the convenience
00:43:00.740 store.
00:43:01.300 He looked at my car sitting in a position where
00:43:03.360 my intention to put gas in my car could not
00:43:05.080 be misunderstood.
00:43:06.280 And I firmly believe he started walking slower in
00:43:09.540 shock and desperation.
00:43:10.280 I looked at the next pump where the man was
00:43:12.340 carefully washing every single glass surface on
00:43:14.560 the outside of his car with the squeegee and he
00:43:17.020 wasn't simultaneously pumping gas.
00:43:19.460 I could not believe the level of rudeness.
00:43:21.380 These two people exhibited.
00:43:22.940 I have less issue with either of these activities.
00:43:24.880 If the gas station is empty, or even if you're
00:43:26.760 trying to kill two birds with one stone while
00:43:28.580 pumping gas at the same time, but doing it while
00:43:30.660 you're watching people wait for a pump is outrageous.
00:43:33.560 Would this crime be worthy of the death penalty when
00:43:36.520 you are a supreme dictator?
00:43:41.700 Yes, Kyle, to go, first of all, I'm sorry you had
00:43:44.780 to go through that.
00:43:45.880 And so you have my condolences.
00:43:49.440 To go to the convenience store after you've already
00:43:51.920 pumped the gas, when all the pumps are full, rather
00:43:56.420 than just drive to the actual parking spots, because
00:43:59.480 every gas station with a convenience store attached also
00:44:03.860 has its own parking spaces that are not next to pumps
00:44:06.760 that you could just drive over to, but to, but because
00:44:09.460 you don't feel like doing that, leaving your car in the
00:44:11.820 spot while it's busy is beyond the bounds of human
00:44:14.900 decency.
00:44:15.500 I completely agree with you, Kyle.
00:44:17.980 Sociopathic does not even begin to describe it, honestly.
00:44:20.300 There is no excuse.
00:44:21.900 It should go without saying.
00:44:23.200 If it's a busy gas station, you pump your gas and you get
00:44:27.720 the hell out.
00:44:28.300 You don't pass go, collect 200, you don't do any of that.
00:44:33.860 Pump your gas, get out.
00:44:36.240 You don't squeegee, you don't go to the convenience store, you
00:44:39.460 don't start clearing out all the old Pepsi bottles and coffee
00:44:43.600 cups from the floor of your passenger side.
00:44:47.440 You don't do any of that.
00:44:49.760 You don't sit there and text on your phone, pump and go.
00:44:53.420 So I agree with you, Kyle, this should be understood common
00:44:58.660 practice.
00:44:59.540 But, you know, we, there are people who are barbarians in this
00:45:03.720 society, Kyle.
00:45:05.800 As for penalties under my regime, if you go into the store and
00:45:10.380 you leave your car there, when you come out to your car, it
00:45:15.320 will be doused, it will be doused in gasoline and it will be on
00:45:18.980 fire.
00:45:19.300 And then you will be expected to pay for the additional gasoline
00:45:24.280 that had to be used in order to torch your car.
00:45:27.700 And then, you know what's coming next, you are going to be thrown
00:45:32.200 into the fire.
00:45:36.140 Now, you might argue that this will only slow the process down
00:45:41.500 more now that we've had to, you know, do an execution via fire in
00:45:47.120 the middle of the gas station.
00:45:48.160 You might also argue that it could be potentially dangerous that
00:45:51.040 we have this huge fire right next to a bunch of gas pumps.
00:45:54.000 But listen, these are sacrifices that I would be willing to make
00:45:57.560 to see that justice is done.
00:46:00.540 And I want you to know that you have my solemn promise that I will
00:46:04.340 go to any lengths, as long as I am not personally inconvenienced by
00:46:08.980 them, to see that justice is done.
00:46:12.840 Vote for me.
00:46:14.720 And we will leave it there.
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