The Matt Walsh Show - August 16, 2018


Ep. 85 - The LGBT Mob Won't Leave Jack Phillips Alone

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The Colorado Civil Rights Commission is at it again, targeting Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cake Shop yet again. Even though the Supreme Court punted on the fundamental question about religious liberty, they also made it very clear that the Civil Rights Commissioner had been hostile towards Phillips and treated him unfairly. But the commission is back at it, and they haven t learned their lesson at all.

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00:00:00.000 So the fine folks at the Colorado Civil Rights Commission are at it again.
00:00:05.400 They're targeting Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cake Shop yet again.
00:00:10.700 You may remember that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission was rhetorically smacked down by the Supreme Court for their treatment of Phillips during the whole gay wedding cake debacle.
00:00:21.320 And even though the Supreme Court punted on the fundamental question about religious liberty, they also made it very clear that the Civil Rights Commission had been hostile towards Phillips and treated him unfairly.
00:00:36.300 But the commission is back at it. They haven't learned their lesson at all.
00:00:40.780 I'm going to read to you a little bit from the Daily Caller's report on this.
00:00:44.260 It says, Jack Phillips, the Christian baker who prevailed at the U.S. Supreme Court after declining to create a custom wedding cake for a gay couple,
00:00:51.320 followed a lawsuit in federal court late Tuesday, suing the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.
00:00:57.080 Phillips and his attorney at the Alliance Defending Freedom, ADF, say the commission has revived its campaign against him following June's high court decision,
00:01:04.780 singling Masterpiece Cake Shop out for disparate treatment on the basis of their religious beliefs.
00:01:10.220 Now, on the same day that the high court agreed to review the Masterpiece case,
00:01:16.300 so this was several months ago, over a year ago,
00:01:21.760 an attorney named Autumn Scardina called Phillips' shop and asked him to create a cake celebrating a sex transition.
00:01:30.260 The caller asked that the cake include a blue exterior and a pink interior,
00:01:34.660 which is supposed to be a reflection of Scardina's transgender identity.
00:01:40.800 Phillips declined to create the cake given his religious conviction that sex is immutable.
00:01:46.840 Although he did offer to sell the caller other pre-made baked goods.
00:01:51.080 Now, I should just add here very quickly that the idea that sex is immutable, unchangeable,
00:01:55.540 that is not just Jack Phillips' religious conviction.
00:02:00.200 That is the conviction of science, of reality, and of every sane person everywhere.
00:02:06.020 That's just, put it another way, that's not a conviction at all.
00:02:09.860 That's just a fact.
00:02:10.740 So, Jack Phillips understands the fact that you cannot transition your sex, 0.90
00:02:17.840 and so he doesn't want to create a cake that celebrates this impossible thing, which makes sense.
00:02:26.820 Now, in the months that followed, the bakery received requests for cakes featuring marijuana use,
00:02:33.040 sexually explicit messages, and satanic symbols.
00:02:35.800 One solicitation, submitted by email, asked the cake shop to create a three-tiered white cake 0.99
00:02:42.300 depicting Satan licking a sex toy. 0.99
00:02:48.560 Phillips believes that Scardina made all of these requests. 0.99
00:02:52.520 But, in any case, three weeks after Phillips won at the high court,
00:02:56.520 the commission issued a probable cause determination,
00:02:59.000 finding that there was sufficient evidence to support Scardina's claim of discrimination.
00:03:05.880 And in a somewhat strange development, the probable cause finding reads
00:03:08.700 that Phillips violated state law, even though the proceedings are still in a preliminary stage.
00:03:14.800 Okay, so, this is a, I mean, you've got this man who not only called asking for this ridiculous cake, 0.95
00:03:23.320 but then, it seems like, proceeded to call many more times, asking for increasingly vulgar and ridiculous cakes. 0.79
00:03:31.160 He is the one harassing Jack Phillips, yet, of course, the Colorado Civil Rights Commission
00:03:36.180 finds that Jack Phillips may well be discriminating against him.
00:03:40.440 So, first of all, let's just establish that the Civil Rights Commission in Colorado is a disgrace. 0.99
00:03:47.120 They are a collection of despicable, vengeful bullies. 0.95
00:03:50.540 The whole agency should be shut down, and each of the tyrants in that agency should be sued into personal financial ruin. 0.99
00:04:01.640 These are very evil people.
00:04:04.800 But here's the interesting thing, that they've done what all evil people do eventually,
00:04:10.060 which is that they've kind of dropped the mask.
00:04:13.200 They've dropped the charade, and they've made their wickedness plain to everybody.
00:04:19.200 That's what's interesting about this latest attack on Jack Phillips,
00:04:23.420 is that it undermines, or I should say it exposes, all of the previous attacks.
00:04:29.800 And it makes it clear what's always been true, which is,
00:04:33.140 they just hate Christians, and they want to punish Jack Phillips for being a Christian. 0.57
00:04:38.480 That's all this is about.
00:04:40.040 That's all that this has ever been about.
00:04:42.340 And now it's painfully obvious.
00:04:44.040 So let's just look at this for a moment.
00:04:47.360 There isn't an even halfway believable pretense of rights being violated in this case.
00:04:55.440 Now, before with the gay wedding thing, they could always accuse Phillips of, you know,
00:05:00.680 making wedding cakes for straight people but not for gay people, 0.96
00:05:04.740 so they could try to hang a discrimination claim based on that,
00:05:10.120 which is, by the way, a misleading way of putting it, and it's also irrelevant in any case,
00:05:16.700 because the idea that just because you make a wedding cake in one situation,
00:05:20.240 it means you have to make a wedding cake in every situation. 0.94
00:05:22.360 That, of course, is just ridiculous.
00:05:24.480 There's no, that's, that's, that's just, there's no basis for that, for that whatsoever. 0.89
00:05:30.980 Just because you make wedding cakes doesn't mean that you can't be discerning about,
00:05:35.000 it's not discrimination, it's discernment.
00:05:36.940 You're allowed to be discerning about what sorts of wedding cakes you make.
00:05:41.060 But, any case, even that kind of claim, as absurd and misleading as it was,
00:05:47.380 even that isn't valid here, because it's not like Phillips has ever made a cake
00:05:51.740 to celebrate someone remaining the same gender.
00:05:55.360 There is no opposite kind of cake that Phillips sells.
00:05:59.280 So there's no, there's absolutely no basis for discrimination.
00:06:03.200 Whether you're becoming a woman, or you're becoming a man, or you're becoming a werewolf,
00:06:06.900 or you're staying the same gender, Phillips is not providing a cake to celebrate it.
00:06:11.920 And Scardina can't obviously claim that he's been emotionally traumatized.
00:06:17.340 That's the gay couple in the wedding cake case. 0.97
00:06:20.740 They claimed, you know, emotional trauma, which was, of course, ridiculous there as well. 0.94
00:06:25.960 But it's self-evident that, in this case, this guy was laying a trap for Phillips.
00:06:31.760 He was hoping to find a basis upon which he could sue Jack Phillips.
00:06:37.960 That's all this was about.
00:06:39.600 This was a targeted attempt.
00:06:41.880 Now, the gay couple, I think, targeted Phillips also, but not quite as obvious.
00:06:46.100 What in the world is a gender transition cake anyway? 1.00
00:06:51.300 What does that mean?
00:06:52.880 Is that, that's not even a thing.
00:06:55.160 If I went to the most progressive bakery in the world, would I, would I find something like that?
00:07:01.940 Is that something they have in their repertoire?
00:07:05.380 Repertoire?
00:07:06.240 I say it very French.
00:07:07.460 You know, he may as well have asked for a, for an abortion cake or something like that.
00:07:10.900 It's the kind of cake you request when, when you want your request to be denied.
00:07:17.240 And the fact that he happened, he just so happened to make this request of the most famous Christian baker in the country.
00:07:26.120 You know, he just so happened, just coincidentally.
00:07:28.060 No, obviously it wasn't a coincidence.
00:07:29.980 This was entirely targeted.
00:07:32.440 So there is no hiding the real objective this time around.
00:07:36.400 This is anti-Christian bigotry, plain and simple.
00:07:38.900 It always was.
00:07:40.400 All of these cases, the attacks on Christian bakers and florists and photographers and t-shirt makers, etc.
00:07:46.440 They are and always have been acts of vengeance against Christians, nothing more. 1.00
00:07:52.680 It's just that now it's, it is, it is so obvious to everyone.
00:07:56.320 Another thing that we can see in this case, though, this as well should have been obvious all along, is that all the stuff we heard from gay rights, the rights, the gay rights crowd about, you know, how they just want the freedom to love and to live as they wish.
00:08:11.540 And they want us to mind our own business and they'll mind their own business and so forth.
00:08:17.000 All of that is nonsense.
00:08:18.800 Okay.
00:08:19.040 Anyway, if they were really proponents of the kind of live and let live sort of philosophy, none of this would be happening because what they would say is, okay, some people don't want to be personally involved in our wedding.
00:08:33.760 That's fine.
00:08:35.100 That's their opinion.
00:08:36.280 That's their right.
00:08:37.600 Who cares?
00:08:39.040 And then they would have gone about and live their lives.
00:08:42.520 That's all that would have happened.
00:08:43.660 If you really are, if you really just want people to mind their own business and you're minding your own business, and if that's what this is about, then you wouldn't be doing any of this.
00:08:52.180 You wouldn't be taking people to court because they wouldn't bake you a cake.
00:08:55.800 But this is an effort to punish Christians.
00:08:59.940 That's what this is. 0.95
00:09:01.240 They're trying to punish Christian business owners.
00:09:03.760 And more than that, they're trying to purposefully put business owners in a situation where they have to make this choice.
00:09:11.900 And that has nothing to do with live and let live.
00:09:14.980 Okay, this is about control.
00:09:17.040 This is about stamping out opposing views, opposing lifestyles, and exacting punishment.
00:09:23.080 Ironically, they are doing exactly what they accuse Christians of doing. 0.95
00:09:28.880 But which, you know, I've never met a Christian who's actually interested in doing that. 1.00
00:09:33.180 I've never met a Christian who is interested in going and finding gay people and punishing them and forcing things on. 1.00
00:09:39.740 I've never met that.
00:09:40.820 I've never encountered that.
00:09:41.900 But there are quite a lot of people in the gay rights crowd who are interested in doing that to Christians. 0.84
00:09:47.520 Now, I've heard the justification from the gay rights crowd. 0.99
00:09:51.180 Well, they'll say, well, Christians think that our lifestyle is sinful, and that's offensive to us.
00:09:58.860 Okay.
00:10:00.060 So?
00:10:01.380 Why do you care what they think?
00:10:03.280 They aren't doing anything to you.
00:10:05.120 They aren't hurting you.
00:10:06.980 They aren't trying to drag you in the court over it.
00:10:09.440 No, that's what you're doing.
00:10:11.000 That's you doing that.
00:10:12.360 They're just trying to live their lives and run their businesses the way that they want.
00:10:16.080 And you're free to steer clear of them.
00:10:18.200 What do you care?
00:10:19.480 So they think your lifestyle is sinful.
00:10:21.120 So what?
00:10:21.760 What does that matter to you?
00:10:22.600 What does it matter to you that they have a Jack Phillips in his little bakery in Colorado, minding his own business, making cakes?
00:10:29.520 What do you care if he's got that point of view bouncing around in his head?
00:10:32.740 What difference does it make to you?
00:10:34.940 Just go live your life.
00:10:36.140 It doesn't matter.
00:10:36.760 He's not doing anything to you.
00:10:38.120 He's not taking anything away from you. 0.99
00:10:39.780 You know, personally, I am well aware that atheists and secular people think that I am, as a Christian, stupid, superstitious, backwards, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99
00:10:51.680 I'm well aware of that. 0.99
00:10:53.500 And you know what?
00:10:54.240 They're allowed to hold that view.
00:10:56.020 They can think.
00:10:59.780 It doesn't bother me that they think that.
00:11:01.600 They can think that.
00:11:04.280 Now, if they say it to my face, I'll argue with them about it.
00:11:07.700 I'll defend myself.
00:11:09.760 And if they go out in public preaching it, I will engage them and I'll present my side of the story.
00:11:15.500 But I don't seek them out specifically to try and punish them for their beliefs.
00:11:21.360 I don't sit around scheming ways that I can entrap an atheist. 0.52
00:11:26.300 I don't do that.
00:11:27.820 Or I don't think about ways that I might force him to do something that makes him uncomfortable and goes against his atheist convictions.
00:11:34.860 I don't do that because I'm a rational adult.
00:11:37.740 So, if you're a member of the gay left and it offends you that some people disapprove of the things that you do and the way that you live, okay, that's life.
00:11:50.160 That's life.
00:11:51.140 That's just what it means to live in America.
00:11:54.040 You know, you got to just deal with that.
00:11:56.200 That's all.
00:11:56.680 You have to deal with it.
00:11:57.720 Because we all have to deal with that.
00:12:02.200 No matter who you are, no matter what you do, there are people out there who disapprove of you.
00:12:07.340 Or at the very least, disapprove of some of the things you do, some of the things you believe.
00:12:11.940 That's the case for literally every person on earth.
00:12:15.820 So, you're no different in that regard.
00:12:18.220 That's not persecution.
00:12:20.220 You're not being persecuted just because people disagree.
00:12:23.960 You're not.
00:12:25.980 No, persecution, let me tell you something.
00:12:27.720 What's happening to Jack Phillips, this is persecution.
00:12:31.640 This is a government body coming after him repeatedly to ruin him for his beliefs.
00:12:39.560 You want to know what persecution?
00:12:40.460 That is persecution.
00:12:42.620 So, if you've got government bodies coming after you to personally ruin you and destroy you for your lifestyle, well, then you have a case made that you're being persecuted.
00:12:52.340 But that's not happening to you.
00:12:53.360 It is happening to Jack Phillips, and it's happening to Christian business owners. 0.81
00:12:57.720 That is what legal government persecution looks like.
00:13:02.000 So, I'm sorry.
00:13:03.520 I just, I have no sympathy for the people that go and pretend that they've been so offended that someone won't make them a cake or provide flowers to them for the wedding.
00:13:15.240 And then they set out to destroy the person.
00:13:17.460 I've got no sympathy for those people.
00:13:19.720 Because what they're doing is disingenuous.
00:13:21.780 It's in bad faith.
00:13:23.740 They are laying booby traps and just waiting for a Christian business owner to walk into it. 1.00
00:13:29.420 That's what's going on.
00:13:30.880 And I have no sympathy for it.
00:13:32.400 And, you know, the live and let live philosophy.
00:13:37.680 Now, that's not personally my guiding philosophy in life.
00:13:41.740 I'm not much of a libertarian.
00:13:44.000 But if that is the philosophy that you claim, if you claim that that's how you, then it's got to go both ways.
00:13:54.820 It can't be just let me live, you know, let me live as I want, but I'm going to still try to force myself on you.
00:14:01.260 You can't do that.
00:14:02.340 It's got to go both ways.
00:14:04.380 That's all.
00:14:05.300 Thanks for watching, everybody.
00:14:06.340 Thanks for listening.
00:14:07.540 Godspeed.
00:14:07.940 Godspeed.