The Matt Walsh Show - Friendly Fire： Run Hide Fight： Infidels, Useful Idiots, and the Jihadi Coup

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00:00:52.640 1,315 years after the Battle of Kovadonga, when the Muslims invaded Iberia and attempted to conquer all of Europe, we are releasing Run, Hide, Fight Infidels. This is Friendly Fire. 1.00

00:01:07.540 Friends like these, who needs enemies? Friends like these, who needs enemies?

00:01:13.940 I was hoping we'd get for the intro for this episode

00:01:18.160 one of those, like, calls to prayer from the minarets.

00:01:21.060 Like, oh.

00:01:23.320 Anyway, I hope, dear audience,

00:01:26.800 we've roped you in with this riveting, urgent,

00:01:30.000 covadonga discourse.

00:01:31.640 But we're not just talking about ancient history.

00:01:33.760 No, no.

00:01:34.340 We're talking about Daily Wire's new movie.

00:01:36.660 If you have not subscribed, shame on you.

00:01:39.760 Shame on you.

00:01:40.620 What are you thinking?

00:01:41.680 You go to dailywire.com slash subscribe

00:01:43.880 so that you can see the movie that Variety is writing about.

00:01:48.820 You can see it. We'll get to the Variety review.

00:01:50.920 You'll see the movie that Slate is calling Deranged,

00:01:54.640 and they don't know the half of it.

00:01:56.260 If you haven't seen the trailer, here it is.

00:01:59.780 Your country is beneath contempt.

00:02:03.560 We who love and serve Allah fought back 0.99

00:02:07.220 against the Americans and the Zionists 0.77

00:02:09.760 from the scourge of secularism and the lands of unbelief. 0.51

00:02:13.880 Anyone going to listen to Captain Saunders tomorrow?

00:02:22.040 The retired Delta IV soldier with a new book out. 0.75

00:02:25.640 He's the polar opposite of those brain-dead protesters.

00:02:28.700 Given the current climate, should Clay Saunders even be allowed on campus?

00:02:31.920 Mr. Saunders is a close personal friend of Chancellor Friedman.

00:02:34.680 This is a decision I cannot find. 1.00

00:02:37.000 There are three ways Islam will conquer the West. 1.00

00:02:40.040 through immigration, through the wombs of our women, 1.00

00:02:47.560 and by using our nation's freedoms against us. 1.00

00:02:55.320 Are you paying attention?

00:03:02.880 Listen carefully.

00:03:04.240 the great satan america will fall 1.00

00:03:11.160 you are infidels the bodies of women are not pure and the men's souls are unclean 1.00

00:03:22.280 what makes them so dangerous their goals are not in this life but the next 1.00

00:03:30.240 I need one

00:03:34.120 I got friends here

00:03:35.360 I can't just leave

00:03:36.000 Listen to me

00:03:36.760 In the law

00:03:38.160 We cannot run or hide

00:03:40.740 From what is coming

00:03:42.240 We have to fight

00:03:43.960 I will be rewarded 10,000 times

00:03:46.500 In the next life 1.00

00:03:47.420 When you die

00:03:48.540 You are nothing

00:03:49.820 Only one way to find out

00:03:51.140 That's the American way

00:04:00.240 Now, I know that was pretty subtle, so for those of you who didn't get the subtext of what was 0.94

00:04:11.240 going on, a bunch of Muslims take over a school with the help of the leftist students. Variety 0.69

00:04:17.020 is calling this movie Islamophobic. Matt, would you like to respond and correct the record?

00:04:21.620 uh great to be with you guys by the way um and uh it's always quite always quite uh burdensome

00:04:30.640 to be with be with all of you that's not the word i wanted i'm sorry uh look i i think it is it's

00:04:36.200 very islamophobic and uh i i think we can embrace that uh if islamophobia if that's even a word that

00:04:42.760 means anything then sure let's uh let's let's embrace that i think that the look the the promise

00:04:48.700 of the Daily Wire has always been, or the pitch has always been, well, we're going to make movies

00:04:54.680 that you can't get anywhere else. We're going to make the movies that no one else will make. We'll

00:04:59.280 make the movie that Netflix won't make, Amazon won't make. And one thing you could certainly say

00:05:05.120 about this movie, having seen it myself, of course, is that it definitely fulfills that

00:05:10.980 promise. This is certainly one, you're not going to find this on Netflix, so you literally can't

00:05:15.420 go anywhere else to find this movie or anything like it. And that's reason enough to go check it

00:05:20.700 out, I'd say. Yeah, I would say in the fevered dreams of Charles Martel himself, you probably

00:05:25.060 wouldn't see this movie. I think, you know, Pope Pius X would say like, hey guys, slow your roll

00:05:31.500 a little bit. This is a little heavy handed on the old Muslims, wouldn't you say? But it's not 1.00

00:05:35.280 just the Muslims. It's also the purple haired liberal students who have a very strange alliance 0.85

00:05:41.640 that a lot of us have been talking about for a long time.

00:05:44.420 And Ben, you've been calling attention to for many years.

00:05:47.520 Yeah, I mean, obviously the movie is,

00:05:49.300 I would say sort of a mashup of like Red Dawn 0.88

00:05:51.320 and Blazing Saddles, but about radical Muslims. 0.99

00:05:54.500 And so it's a lot of fun. 0.93

00:05:55.780 It's awesome.

00:05:56.720 For the people who have not seen it yet today,

00:05:58.240 or you should go subscribe and watch it right now.

00:06:00.600 By the way, we should say,

00:06:01.760 Run, Hide, Fight was our most successful movie release

00:06:04.360 ever at the Daily Wire. 0.97

00:06:05.420 Our day one numbers on Run, Hide, Fight, Infidels 0.98

00:06:07.620 are doubling the numbers that we did 1.00

00:06:09.700 on the original Run, Hide, Fight.

00:06:11.000 So already tons and tons of people are watching it and the reviewers are hating it.

00:06:15.180 And yeah, they're calling it Islamophobic.

00:06:16.820 Again, these are the same reviewers who were saying that one battle after another needed 0.99

00:06:20.500 to win Best Picture Oscar, which was just a radically anti-American piece of crap about 0.99

00:06:24.640 how America was a white supremacist country and murdering federal officers was an active 0.99

00:06:29.000 good.

00:06:29.800 And so, you know, what this movie is, is it's about the Red Green Alliance, really. 0.99

00:06:34.160 It could have been called Useful Idiots. 0.98

00:06:35.600 Basically, you have a bunch of blue haired liberal protesters who are taking over the 1.00

00:06:39.260 college campus, obstructing events and all the rest. And they are used by their Islamist friends 1.00

00:06:44.900 in order to take over the campus. Things don't go right for them, I would say, from there on in, 1.00

00:06:49.460 as has been historically the case. And, you know, people are focusing on the politics of the thing.

00:06:54.080 But the reason that I'm kind of mashing up the red dawn with the blazing saddles of it is because

00:06:58.420 there is a fairly serious point here that I think Slate was best, the ones called the deranged.

00:07:04.080 The reason they said it was deranged is because they said that we took an evil glee in portraying 0.65

00:07:08.260 what exactly would happen to the blue haired liberals if radical Muslims took over a campus.

00:07:13.680 And that's not evil glee. That's just called realism. Like in the real world, all of the 0.90

00:07:18.060 queers for Palestine go off buildings in an Islamic state run area. And that's one of the 1.00

00:07:23.100 points that I think the film makes. It makes it an entertaining fashion. But I mean, it again,

00:07:28.940 but there are also some knocks on the Muslims in the movie too. Like, yes, it does portray some of

00:07:35.660 their best attributes, but it also shows the bad stuff, I think, right?

00:07:41.500 Wow. Wow. Wow. But yes, I mean, the basic idea, again, is that, again, Slate was very angry at

00:07:47.740 us for showing ISIS doing ISIS things. They're very upset at us for that. And I believe that

00:07:53.020 it was Slate that actually went and quoted a top member of the Muslim Public Affairs Council,

00:07:57.740 which is a group that was founded by legitimate Muslim Brotherhood offshoots to talk about why

00:08:02.500 it's so Islamophobic. And the whole conversation about Islam versus Islamophobic, Islamist,

00:08:07.420 Islamism, which modifier we're supposed to use. Can we just like put it out there that Islam as

00:08:12.180 a global force, as Samuel Huntington once said, has bloody borders and bloody innards, and that 1.00

00:08:16.820 were there to be mass Muslim migration to the West, it would be a bad thing. And we know this 1.00

00:08:20.500 because it already happened and it hasn't been awesome. Yeah. You know, one of my favorite

00:08:25.120 writers, the Catholic conservative types, every time they quote anybody, it's either Chesterton

00:08:31.700 or Hilaire Belloc. You know, those are the great 20th century polemicist writers. And Belloc totally

00:08:36.860 called this. He had this book on the Crusades where he says, we lost the Crusades. The Muslims

00:08:41.860 won because we lost at Damascus. And so as a result, Islam is solid and it's the West that's 1.00

00:08:48.760 weaker. And he's writing this in the 1930s when it looked like Islam was kind of dead as a major

00:08:53.820 world force. And he said, you guys are crazy. I mean, nobody is more to the right of Hilaire 0.98

00:08:58.480 basically that's ever lived. And he said, you guys are crazy. Islam is going to reassert itself 0.99

00:09:02.880 and it's going to happen sooner than later. And it did. It started to happen again in the 1970s, 1.00

00:09:07.620 obviously 2001, and it's continued since then. So I'm delighted that we're really doubling and

00:09:16.060 tripling down on the hardcore message here. The other thing I really like, look, I love a lot of

00:09:24.440 the DW movies, but we now have a male lead. I don't know. We've had a lot of chicks in the

00:09:30.760 movies. We have a male lead. This is, to your point, Ben, it is, it's like Red Dawn with a 1.00

00:09:35.320 bunch of Muslims added to, turned up to 11. Get, get a real kick out of it. So if you haven't 1.00

00:09:39.780 subscribed, if I haven't showed this enough for you yet, dailywire.com slash subscribe. You get

00:09:43.940 the message. Goes great with a Mayflower cigar. It goes well though, even, even without a Mayflower

00:09:48.220 cigar. Is it this line that we, I mean, I made the joke about careers for Palestine, but a lot

00:09:53.220 of people are scratching their heads. How is it the case that the, you know, purple-haired tranny 1.00

00:09:58.300 would team up with the Islamists or whatever? It does kind of make some sense to me, though. I 0.99

00:10:03.180 don't know, Drew, is it just they're all just dumb and they don't realize that the Muslims don't like 1.00

00:10:07.080 them or something? No, you know, the funny thing about that Variety review, just like it's 0.99

00:10:12.440 excoriated us, they start out, the first sentence is, this is more of an epic troll than a creative

00:10:19.300 endeavor now in a world where people like variety own have a stranglehold on the culture

00:10:25.220 an epic troll is the best creative endeavor you can do i mean we've been doing epic trolls at this

00:10:31.120 place for since the daily wire began and they've had tremendous effects the movie is hilarious 0.98

00:10:37.040 throughout i don't understand why it's wrong to show what is you know radical muslims would do

00:10:43.960 to the people who are queers for palestine and women for palestine i don't see why that is

00:10:48.340 anything but a very, a perfectly good piece of satire. I have to reveal, I don't want to give 1.00

00:10:53.880 anything away from the movie. I laughed throughout the movie. I thought it was really funny, totally

00:10:58.420 over the top. There's one scene in this picture where an American of South Korean descent who is 0.89

00:11:04.120 into brewing alcohol and he's seen throughout the movie studying brewing alcohol and talking about

00:11:09.020 brewing alcohol. He's faced with a tremendous challenge in a computer where he has to dismantle

00:11:15.360 a terrible thing that's going to happen

00:11:17.140 through this computer, and he's doing it,

00:11:19.280 and his girlfriend says to him,

00:11:21.120 why do you know how to do this?

00:11:22.760 And he says, I'm Asian.

00:11:24.640 I just thought, I thought,

00:11:26.260 we're not supposed to be taking this entirely seriously.

00:11:29.720 This is a movie that's kidding around

00:11:32.440 from the first line, and on top of that,

00:11:35.120 while it's kidding around,

00:11:36.040 I thought the action sequences were pretty good.

00:11:38.180 You know, I thought the action sequences

00:11:39.280 were gripping and scary,

00:11:41.240 and so I thought it did its job,

00:11:43.300 And as Ben says, Blazing Saddles, you know, and Red Dawn, why not?

00:11:48.380 You know, why would you not do that? 0.98

00:11:49.580 So I don't understand why the people who gave an Oscar to a movie in which conservatives are portrayed as sexual perverts and white supremacists can't take a joke. 0.98

00:12:01.260 I'm shocked that they can't take a joke. 0.98

00:12:02.680 Right, right.

00:12:02.880 No, you know, our pal Dallas Saunier, you know, who produced the film and who has made a lot of Daily Wire content and a lot of many films before he was at the Daily Wire. 0.65

00:12:12.200 Adela Saunier is a maestro of violence. He is maybe the leading connoisseur of on-screen violence working today. And so you get that too. It's not all just funny. I mean, there are some really phenomenal acting sequences in it, or sorry, action sequences in it.

00:12:28.600 But I want to, I do want to get to the point because a lot of people seem to think that the kind of purple haired queers for Palestine, they're just dummies. 0.86

00:12:38.140 You know, if they ever opened up the Koran, if they ever read a history book, they would know that Islam is really violent. 0.90

00:12:43.120 And I want to give them more credit than that. 1.00

00:12:45.480 I think they kind of know that.

00:12:47.320 I think they just, the radical left is very disordered and they're in the thrall to bad ideologies and possibly Satan.

00:12:56.280 I'm not even really being hyperbolic.

00:12:58.600 And so I think they just realize that they have a common enemy, that they and the radical Muslims, though they disagree in a lot of particulars, they have a common enemy, which is Christian civilization and America and white people and men and whatever. 0.55

00:13:11.780 And so they're willing to team up with them. And anything that we oppose, they want to support. Is that too reductive a reading? 0.61

00:13:20.960 i don't i don't think it is at all i mean that's it really is that simple and i think that the

00:13:25.800 movie does a pretty good job of uh of showing this now in the movie because you know a lot of

00:13:30.400 it's to comedic effect so a lot of the leftists in the film are portrayed as the more oblivious

00:13:36.660 types like they don't really understand what they're getting themselves into and there is an

00:13:40.500 element of truth to that i think there's some i think that maybe at the kind of low level among

00:13:44.180 the kind of the uh the grunts uh on the left maybe they don't quite understand it but at a higher

00:13:49.360 level. They certainly do. It's a strategic alliance. I think you're right, Michael. It's

00:13:54.520 actually pretty simple in that the left, that is, hates Western civilization. They hate white 1.00

00:14:04.100 people in particular. They hate Christians. And they see Islam, and they see that we have a shared 1.00

00:14:11.240 enemy. They see Islam as a destructive force, something that seeks to destroy Western civilization. 0.98

00:14:16.700 And it's really that simple. I mean, we know on the left, we talk about it all the time, that it's not as though they necessarily have the best plan for rebuilding on the other side. They're not quite as worried about that. This is a destructive force. 0.99

00:14:33.980 And that's why I always say we call it progressive, progressivism. I think some people on the right don't like that term because they say, well, it's not really progress. I like the term because it's progressive in the sense that cancer is progressive. It progresses in the same way and to the same end.

00:14:50.400 Like, cancer doesn't have an intention necessarily for what it does after it kills you.

00:14:55.700 It just kills you.

00:14:56.540 And it's the same thing for the left. 0.99

00:14:58.000 And they see Islam as a tool for that.

00:15:01.680 They see mass migration from the third world generally as a tool for that. 1.00

00:15:06.460 And, you know, something, they're right. 1.00

00:15:07.740 It is.

00:15:08.420 You know, it's that simple.

00:15:09.220 And there is that commonality of just being a destructive force. 1.00

00:15:12.780 I say this, like, I guess I'm Islamophobic in the sense that I think Islam is just contrary to our civilization. 1.00

00:15:20.400 And they've been trying to conquer us for roughly 1,400 years. 1.00

00:15:24.260 And it's ultimately just an incompatible world system.

00:15:27.960 And one of us is going to prevail and one of us is going to lose, at least in the fight over the West.

00:15:32.940 So I think that.

00:15:35.320 But I agree with Dante, who hasn't yet come up on this show for some reason,

00:15:39.640 who has a kind of grudging respect, you know, for like Saladin, the great Muslim in the Crusades, 0.53

00:15:46.220 who, you know, he puts him with the virtuous pagans.

00:15:48.100 And so you see this in a lot of crusade literature, like the Song of Roland and those kinds of poems. 0.96

00:15:54.540 There's this kind of grudging respect for Islam while recognizing that they are intent on our destruction. 0.87

00:16:00.240 There's a lot of liberal propaganda about the Muslim conquest of Spain, of Iberia,

00:16:04.460 in which they say, well, it was this thriving multicultural civilization and, you know, it was just very diverse.

00:16:10.360 And that's not really what happened.

00:16:11.800 They came over, they enslaved, they conquered, they killed tens of millions of Christians and enslaved them. 0.99

00:16:15.760 And really, the great triumphs of that civilization was just the Muslims kind of using the Spanish and Western goods that had already existed. 1.00

00:16:28.120 So I think there is a commonality, too, in that Islam has brought a lot of destruction. 1.00

00:16:33.940 It's spread through destruction. 1.00

00:16:35.480 It hasn't syncretized with the West. 0.95

00:16:38.040 It hasn't grown anything out of the West.

00:16:40.080 And the same can be said, to your point, Matt, of the left.

00:16:42.520 You know, the left is very, very good at destroying things.

00:16:46.140 The left is not so good or really in any way concerned with building things.

00:16:51.460 But I do fear people are going to take from our commentary that the movie is like a little too nuanced, a little too subtle, a little too kind of hard. 0.98

00:17:01.680 So just in case you want to more accurately understand what the movie is about, here is a Muslim kicking a homosexual off a roof. 0.95

00:17:12.520 You both did your part in our conquest, and for this, I am thankful. 0.99

00:17:36.700 Your government kills people all over the world.

00:17:39.640 They celebrate it. 0.99

00:17:40.480 You only cared when they look like you.

00:17:44.480 America destroyed our original glorious Caliphate.

00:17:49.480 They tortured and imprisoned our Caliph. 0.54

00:17:52.480 But they could not kill our spirit.

00:17:56.480 Our purpose transcends the things of this world.

00:18:01.480 We just didn't expect so much death.

00:18:08.480 We have killed the right amount to instill fear.

00:18:12.480 Many we let run so they could tell others of our strength and the remaining ones, or...

00:18:17.480 Piano keys.

00:18:19.480 I expected more resistance.

00:18:22.480 But I should not be surprised.

00:18:25.480 So many in your country cannot even be bothered to produce children,

00:18:28.480 but this is a day that you will tell yours about.

00:18:32.480 We're not...

00:18:34.480 We won't have kids.

00:18:37.480 I like everyone, and Bruce's...

00:18:43.260 I'm gay.

00:18:51.280 I want to address this.

00:18:52.640 I want to address this.

00:18:53.380 Wait a minute. 0.99

00:18:54.000 As someone who has kicked many homosexuals, although we were in chorus lines at the time, 1.00

00:18:58.220 I just want to say that along with what Walsh is saying about common enemies and things 0.98

00:19:04.760 like this, there's this wild, wild atmosphere of imaginary life on the left that I've never

00:19:13.340 quite been able to get over. In one of the reviews, I think it may have also been the

00:19:16.880 Variety review, they shake their finger at us because we don't have the empathy to sympathize

00:19:22.300 with land acknowledgements, with saying, no, this land belonged to the Chippewa or whatever. 0.98

00:19:27.100 And I've always felt like I will sympathize with those acknowledgements the minute at the end of

00:19:31.680 they give the land back to the Comanches, you know, whatever they, when they say this campus 0.98

00:19:36.920 was once owned by, you know, the Chippewas. And from now on, we're giving classes out on the 0.90

00:19:42.100 sidewalk because we're letting them come back and hunt buffalo through the campus. You know,

00:19:46.860 then I'll agree with it, but it's all fantasy. And we saw it was all fantasy in Martha's Vineyard

00:19:51.740 when the illegals came in and it was like, Ooh, you know, we didn't quite mean that much. We

00:19:57.680 They didn't quite want you here.

00:19:59.600 You know, it's all this imaginary life that they live.

00:20:03.400 And they can't stand that you make fun of it because it exposes it for what it is, which is vapor. 0.97

00:20:08.560 Can I just say, on that scene, I feel like the gay guy didn't have to tell him. 0.96

00:20:19.040 He should have just kept that to himself. 0.94

00:20:21.020 When I was watching that scene, I find myself rooting for the left a little bit.

00:20:24.440 I'm like, don't keep it.

00:20:25.080 You don't have to tell him.

00:20:25.760 You don't have to tell him this.

00:20:26.640 just keep it to yourself if he couldn't tell from the voice you don't have to tell him you know he's

00:20:32.460 you know it was a mistake it was a tactical mistake i think we can all admit it was a

00:20:36.740 tactical mistake for him to say something about it at that time but you know one of the things

00:20:40.800 that you were saying michael earlier where where you were saying it i think that was saying it too 0.95

00:20:44.220 that that we're not sure like how dumb some of the members of the left are or how much they 0.99

00:20:48.260 understand this so i use as my case in point of them being just stupid uh the the actual reviewer 0.99

00:20:54.360 for Variety, who it seems may have actually attended the protest in the movie. Here is a 0.97

00:20:59.100 line from the actual, it is a line from the actual review, quote, are you contemptuous of radical

00:21:04.680 leftists who believe that others should be treated with decency, care, and respect? If so, this is

00:21:09.420 the film for you. So I have to say, first of all, the notion that radical leftists are just wonderful

00:21:16.160 people who believe that others should be treated with decency, care, and respect is such a bunch 0.99

00:21:20.960 of horseshit. I mean, it's just something. But it's how they perceive themselves, right? Some of 0.97

00:21:25.220 the cruelest people, some of the most destructive people, you know, people who would, for example,

00:21:29.960 be chortling it up on TikTok over Charlie Kirk getting assassinated or something, right? Those

00:21:33.760 people are the people who just want others to be treated with decency and care and respect. And

00:21:38.440 that's why they're protesting in favor of Hamas in Gaza or why on 9-11 they're reading Osama Bin

00:21:44.200 Laden's letters and finding somebody. It's just because they're so empathetic. And how dare we

00:21:48.320 Make fun of those people. 0.93

00:21:50.140 Like, again, if you really feel the empathy for the Islamic terrorists, then, yeah, you're 0.99

00:21:55.240 kind of suicidal. 0.86

00:21:56.060 And we actually have seen worlds historically, the circumstance actually play out.

00:21:59.960 I mean, this was the story of the 1979 revolution in Iran.

00:22:03.780 It was not just a bunch of radical Muslims.

00:22:05.700 It was also communists. 0.83

00:22:06.960 And the communists and the radical Muslims came together pretty openly and overthrew 0.52

00:22:11.720 the Shah, at which point the communists turned to the Muslims and said, let's govern together. 0.86

00:22:15.640 And the Muslims said, we're going to execute literally all of you, which they then proceeded 0.96

00:22:19.000 to do. 1.00

00:22:19.740 And so, again, you know, we tend to think because I think that maybe we're projecting

00:22:25.120 our understanding of them onto them.

00:22:26.660 I'm not sure they even self-understand some of them, particularly the kids on college 1.00

00:22:29.560 campuses who are mostly dumb as a rock. 0.98

00:22:31.800 I mean, maybe that's me being actually too flattering for them. 0.99

00:22:34.140 Maybe they truly understand the nature of what it is that they are allying with.

00:22:38.200 But I think what they figure is that those people they're allying with will never be

00:22:40.780 fully victorious.

00:22:41.480 In the end, we'll be the ones who are driving the car. 0.99

00:22:43.840 And I just think that they don't understand that in the end, they will not be driving any car at all, particularly if they are women.

00:22:49.520 Yeah, well, this line, too, where the Variety guy is getting to it, where he says, you know, that we just want to be compassionate and caring.

00:22:55.660 And the line that you're seeing the Dems trot out on the campaign trail now is, you're calling us radicals.

00:23:01.000 Our radicalism is that we want to give people health care.

00:23:04.240 That's the new spin doctor line.

00:23:05.740 They're all reciting it.

00:23:07.000 And it falls so flat for anyone paying attention because they're saying they just want to give you health care as, to your point, Ben, they're making TikTok celebrating Charlie's assassination.

00:23:19.480 Or, not just to rely on the anecdote, or they are responding to pollsters and saying that 25 to 28 percent of very liberal respondents or leftists under the age of 45 justify political violence, killing otherwise innocent conservatives just because of what they believe.

00:23:36.220 They are very violent. I mean, this is a commonality between the left and the Muslims 0.99

00:23:40.860 right now that is really overlooked. We give the left too much of a pass on it. Even the Atlantic

00:23:45.260 had to come out a few months ago and say that left-wing terrorism is the chief problem with

00:23:52.760 political violence right now. And by the way, they're relying on data sets that still exclude

00:23:58.360 most left-wing violence, that actually exclude an Antifa attack on one of my very own speaking

00:24:03.000 events. So I caught it just because I was looking for that one incident. And then you look, the BLM

00:24:08.320 violence is not counted in these data sets. So even taking out most of the left-wing violence,

00:24:13.420 still most of the political violence is coming here from the left. And so there is a real

00:24:19.060 commonality with that. And I think the left has to grapple with it because they're going to try

00:24:23.320 to downplay the Hassan Piker of it all. They're going to say, oh, that was just one candidate in

00:24:28.160 Maine. It was just Abdul El-Sayed. Or it was just AOC campaigning with Hassan Piker. Or it was

00:24:33.160 Bernie Sanders. Or, you know, all of a sudden the list is pretty long to campaign with a guy who

00:24:37.620 says America deserved 9-11, who says he wipes himself with the American flag, who called for

00:24:41.880 the murder of two Republican senators, and who fantasized about personally murdering Charlie

00:24:46.740 Kirk before one of his fellow travelers actually did it. But the violence is a major, major problem

00:24:53.080 here. And we just give them a pass for it. I don't know. I see a huge commonality between the two

00:24:59.380 sides. I mean, I think that that commonality is something we're trying to point out and run

00:25:04.160 high fighting and fails. We're also saying that, you know, too much of America is asleep at the

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00:26:05.720 Go check them out right now, helixsleep.com slash dailywire. And one thing, Michael, that I found

00:26:11.380 astonishing about some of these reviews also is it's one of the things that annoys me the most

00:26:16.240 about what the left typically does is, Matt, you'll tell a joke, and the left will pretend

00:26:20.460 that you're not joking when you tell the joke. Michael, you'll do the same thing. Drew, this

00:26:24.040 happens to you legitimately all the time. Every day. And so the reviews are like, why isn't this

00:26:28.280 a nuanced drama about the necessities and desires of Muslims in America facing down

00:26:34.160 predations of the United States? And why don't you treat the left with nuance? Like, when was 0.55

00:26:39.080 the last action movie from 1992 where you got like a nuanced view of the good guys and the bad

00:26:44.840 guys. Let's just be clear. One battle after another, which again, is the one that I'm going

00:26:48.280 to come back to because it won Best Picture last year. Okay. One battle after another is the least

00:26:52.400 nuanced movie in the history of film. It makes this movie look like an Ingmar Bergman presentation.

00:26:58.820 One battle after another is just a botchery of a film. It is a full scale propaganda effort

00:27:04.760 on behalf of the hard left that glorifies the murder of federal agents, treats the leadership

00:27:09.240 of the United States as though they're polo shirt wearing, golfing, full scale white supremacists 1.00

00:27:14.640 who also have sexual fetishes for black women. 0.99

00:27:16.960 And also there's like an underground railroad 1.00

00:27:19.480 of illegal immigrants run by the only competent person 0.98

00:27:22.160 in the movie, Benicio Del Toro. 1.00

00:27:23.540 And that's that one best picture.

00:27:25.080 So don't give me that this movie

00:27:26.680 isn't subtle enough for your taste.

00:27:28.680 It just doesn't agree with your view of the world.

00:27:30.880 And that's why you're actually super pissed about it.

00:27:32.760 And listen, I think that we're all very grateful

00:27:34.480 for them for saying the quiet part out loud

00:27:36.400 about their hatred of the politics of the film.

00:27:38.600 They then try to hide behind,

00:27:39.580 oh, well, we don't like the quality of the film.

00:27:41.160 Yeah, you don't care about the quality of the film.

00:27:43.420 You care about the politics of the film.

00:27:44.640 because the film is just, it is funny,

00:27:47.120 and it is entertaining, and I promise,

00:27:49.000 you're going to enjoy it with your friends

00:27:50.140 and your family when you watch.

00:27:51.820 I wouldn't recommend watching it with a 10-year-old,

00:27:53.720 but certainly with a 15 or 16-year-old,

00:27:55.840 you're going to have a good time with it.

00:27:56.720 Yes, you could watch it with your husband,

00:27:58.440 you could watch it with your brother.

00:27:59.960 In the case of Ilhan Omar,

00:28:01.300 who might well have appeared in the movie,

00:28:03.100 obviously that would be the same person.

00:28:05.820 The one real hard...

00:28:09.400 I want to follow up on a point you made before, though,

00:28:12.140 because I think it actually is kind of important 1.00

00:28:14.260 You know, I think everybody on this panel, I know Ben has, and he's such an evil Jewish guy, you know, and we've all talked about the fact that they're wonderful Muslim people and all that. 0.99

00:28:25.460 But those aren't the people that the left elects when they elect people to lead in this country. 1.00

00:28:30.000 I mean, the mayor of New York is a Jew-hating, terrorist, sympathizing piece of garbage. 1.00

00:28:35.460 And Abdul El-Sayed is not that far behind. 1.00

00:28:38.320 In fact, he may actually outstrip Zora Mamdani.

00:28:40.780 So these are not the people they're actually elevating.

00:28:44.260 You know, they're not elevating the people that they would like us to acknowledge, and I acknowledge them, but they're elevating the people in the film.

00:28:50.700 They're looking at this movie and saying, that's a terrible, terrible depiction of a Muslim. 0.56

00:28:54.880 Let's elect a mayor of New York. 0.90

00:28:56.260 That would be a great idea.

00:28:57.220 Yeah, right.

00:28:58.280 So I don't even know what they're complaining about.

00:29:00.180 Right, they're not, like, I like the Islamic grocer on whatever block it is in New York or the cab driver or whatever, but that's not the guy that they're promoting.

00:29:09.360 And it's also, by the way, not just the fringe. 0.94

00:29:11.920 I mean, it's important to point out that we are seeing this show up in the elections, but even, you know, the movie obviously presents these kind of dumb college kids with the crazy hair, queers for Palestine, and then the radical jihadi types. 0.93

00:29:25.200 And you say, okay, well, you guys are just talking about fringes. 0.87

00:29:28.140 Again, don't forget that the leading thought leader on the left, such as it is, as it were, is Hassan Piker.

00:29:34.900 I don't think that's an exaggeration.

00:29:37.180 I think he's the guy.

00:29:37.860 He's the guy that the Democrat candidates look to.

00:29:39.920 He's the biggest streamer on the left.

00:29:41.420 And he's not just being promoted by the fringe elements. He was being platformed by the New York

00:29:47.440 Times. The New York Times platformed that guy approvingly twice in the days following Charlie

00:29:52.000 Kirk's assassination. They've, they've platformed another couple of times since that, that first

00:29:57.320 spate. So this is a widespread phenomenon. It's, it's obviously happening. I agree. The left is

00:30:03.920 never interested in nuance when it's their projects. It's, it's only for ours that we're

00:30:09.780 supposed to make, I don't know, we're supposed to make nothing, which is really what they want.

00:30:13.660 And I think they're very upset that we keep making things that you can support at dailywire.com

00:30:17.340 slash subscribe. Speaking of Abdul El-Sayed, our friends over at Kalshi, now, this is awful.

00:30:23.700 This is awful. Can I just leave now? They're saying that Abdul El-Sayed has a 63% chance 0.98

00:30:30.480 of winning the race in Michigan over Mike Rogers at 37%. Do you guys buy those numbers?

00:30:37.400 I think they're a little bit high.

00:31:07.400 in the next Congress. I mean, people who for sure will get elected. Milak Hirosh over in Colorado.

00:31:11.560 Adam Hamawi was literally a mouthpiece for the blind sheikh who bombed the World Trade Center 0.96

00:31:15.840 in 1993. And that dude is going to end up in Congress from New Jersey. You have Daryliza 0.99

00:31:20.360 Chevalier over in New York, who's a full scale terrorist sympathizer. They're a multiplicity 1.00

00:31:25.420 of these candidates. And again, to your guys's point, it's not just the candidates. The groups

00:31:29.840 that are quoted in all of these pieces calling us Islamophobic are literally unindicted co-conspirators

00:31:34.800 in terrorism trials, right?

00:31:36.580 They're quoting people from like the Council

00:31:37.920 on American Islamic Relations,

00:31:39.640 which was an unindicted co-conspirator

00:31:42.140 in the Holy Land Foundation trial.

00:31:43.760 The Holy Land Foundation was a charitable group in Texas

00:31:45.620 that was not a charity,

00:31:46.560 it was a front group for fundraising for Hamas.

00:31:49.020 And CARE was an unindicted co-conspirator in that case.

00:31:51.080 Like all the people they're quoting

00:31:52.780 may not agree with the exact terrorist attacks,

00:31:56.100 but they have tremendous sympathy

00:31:57.200 for these terrorist groups overall.

00:31:59.420 And this is, again, one of the games that drives me crazy.

00:32:02.440 It's the semantic game. 0.98

00:32:03.360 No one is arguing that every Muslim in the United States loves terrorism and is evil. 0.96

00:32:07.220 Nobody is arguing that. 0.90

00:32:08.380 But is Islam as a general world force regressive, restrictive? 0.99

00:32:12.780 And does it have bloody borders and bloody innards, as Samuel Huntington said? 1.00

00:32:15.740 I mean, the answer is yes. 0.74

00:32:17.180 And therefore, if you then ship millions of people from these civilizations into your own, where they build enclaves, is that a good idea or a bad idea? 0.83

00:32:25.460 I think the obvious answer is it's quite a bad idea. 0.95

00:32:28.160 And let's be real about this.

00:32:29.600 Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan is a person who said about an actual honest to God terror attack

00:32:33.700 on a Jewish kindergarten in Detroit by presumably one of his constituents in Dearborn. He said,

00:32:39.860 hurt people, hurt people, and likened that guy trying to murder Jewish school children in Detroit

00:32:44.100 to Israel hitting a member of Hezbollah with a rocket in Lebanon. That guy is probably going 0.56

00:32:49.880 to be in the Senate. I mean, that's psychotic. That's crazy. So when we talk about this being 0.98

00:32:53.260 like an actual issue, when you put aside the funniness and the fact that the movie is kind

00:32:56.760 of gas. Like, it's a real underlying issue that everybody is whistling past the grave

00:33:00.900 air on, which is why three quarters of the damned media coverage on 9-11 was about Islamophobia. 0.90

00:33:05.380 And I said to the New York Times, they tweeted back at me that if you had come down in a 0.94

00:33:09.300 spaceship as an alien on 9-11 this year and you just read the front page of the New York

00:33:13.060 Times, you immediately would have assumed that 9-11 was a mass at scale attack on Muslims

00:33:19.000 by Americans. That's what you would have assumed because the headline was like 9-11

00:33:22.220 morning takes place. And then the second headline was Islamophobia, even worse, 25

00:33:26.160 years later. It's like, what the limit? It's just the Norm Macdonald joke.

00:33:29.420 It's the Norm bit. Yeah. You know, the odd thing after 9-11, I mean, this is a real indictment of

00:33:34.600 us just as a polity, but after 9-11, public support for Islam increased. So not only did 0.99

00:33:43.080 you not have the Islamophobic backlash that Norm was joking about, support for Islam increased.

00:33:48.880 Since 9-11, the number of mosques in the United States has more than doubled. So I think a lot 0.52

00:33:54.440 of people are looking around and saying, huh, maybe we don't want to be cruel. We don't want

00:33:58.140 to be unjust, but maybe we could have used a little touch of Islamophobia. Maybe that would 0.98

00:34:02.200 have helped a little bit. I mean, so people have this sense that, okay, the really bad elements,

00:34:06.800 we got to get them out of the country. The Trump administration, I alluded to it a little earlier

00:34:11.120 about Ilhan Omar. They did just come out. You had Tom Holman on TV the other day saying that

00:34:17.120 there's an investigation into Ilhan Omar, whether or not she committed immigration fraud. And there

00:34:23.020 the anchor raised the suggestion and said, well, Ilhan Omar is both a citizen and a member of

00:34:29.100 Congress. Is there a chance that she could be denaturalized and deported and obviously thereby

00:34:35.240 removed from Congress? And Homan didn't say no. So I don't know. A lot of people were sort of

00:34:40.820 licking their chops at this prospect. I don't know. To me, do you guys think that's actually

00:34:46.380 going to happen? Nah. It should happen. I don't think it will. But it should. Of course it should.

00:34:55.920 I mean, I don't even understand how the fact that she's in Congress. I mean, it's like what Ben is

00:34:59.840 talking about. The fact that she's in Congress is like a bad dream anyway. She literally wrote a

00:35:04.580 letter to a judge. It would happen on the other side. Like this shows how kind of demoralized 0.93

00:35:11.400 and defeated, I guess, conservatives are to some extent, that we all agree, like, our answer to

00:35:16.560 that is absolutely it should happen, and absolutely it probably won't. And why is that?

00:35:22.060 Like, I think that shows you something, that why wouldn't that happen? If we all agree that it

00:35:27.960 should, why wouldn't? No, but I'll tell you why, Matt, because if we did that, if we did that good

00:35:33.740 and lawful thing that would help the country, why then in the future, if the left gets power,

00:35:39.640 they might do an unlawful and unjust thing to us. Could you imagine?

00:35:45.720 Yeah, they might do what they were going to do anyway. That's the fear. If the left gets in

00:35:49.860 power, they'll do exactly the thing that they were always going to do.

00:35:53.160 I don't know if we're demoralized. I think we expect nothing of Congress. I mean, I noticed

00:35:57.540 this now that, you know, there used to be this thing in conservative media where people would

00:36:01.340 just brush off the media. They just, they say, well, the media is to the left, so we have to

00:36:04.860 expect that. And I would think, no, you know, we can reform the media. We can take them on. We can

00:36:09.140 beat them. I think we have, to a large extent, beaten the mainstream media or at least tamed

00:36:14.020 them. But, you know, we now feel this way about Congress. And I think that that's a little bit

00:36:18.180 more legitimate. I think expecting anything to come out of Congress, anything, any investigation

00:36:22.640 to end with an indictment, any conversation to end with a law is just way, way out of the reach

00:36:29.620 of reality. I mean, it's not what's happening at all. So if you were on trial or investigated,

00:36:35.420 I'd say maybe, but in Congress, eh.

00:36:38.260 By the way, the American public tends to apparently agree with all of us,

00:36:41.820 according to our friends over at Kalshi,

00:36:43.500 a 16% shot that Ilhan Omar gets charged with a federal crime this year.

00:36:48.620 And notice the number has gone down.

00:36:50.760 Notice that even you would expect,

00:36:52.780 you'd hope that the number would go up after you have the deportation czar

00:36:56.500 going on TV saying this is a possibility.

00:36:58.920 But the number actually in recent months, it's gone down.

00:37:01.420 Nobody expects that Ilhan's even going to be charged with a crime.

00:37:05.420 That's exactly right. It's also true. Again, I come back to less about the crime that she

00:37:09.780 committed or allegedly committed by marrying her brother to achieve his chain migration into the

00:37:15.200 country, which is the allegation. The fact that this woman is in Congress in the first place is

00:37:19.600 an indictment of mass migration. It just is. Her district elected her, and she literally wrote a 0.98

00:37:24.040 letter to a judge trying to lower the sentence for a person who tried to join ISIS. I wish that I

00:37:28.800 were joking, but that's absolutely true. She literally wrote a letter to a judge. There's a

00:37:32.520 young man who tried to join ISIS. He was sentenced to jail time. She wrote a sympathetic letter to

00:37:36.060 the judge saying that the cruelties of American foreign policy had caused him to want to join

00:37:40.400 ISIS. Therefore, he should be let largely off the hook. And again, this is happening in the country

00:37:45.720 right now. It is a thing that is happening. And I mean, Michael, you mentioned it. And since we're

00:37:50.480 the week after 9-11, you know, there are many mistakes made in the aftermath of 9-11. I will

00:37:55.060 still say, I think one of the biggest mistakes made in the aftermath of 9-11 is that in the

00:37:58.280 days immediately following 9-11, I mean, immediately, George W. Bush went on national

00:38:02.120 television, flanked by people from the Council on American-Islamic Relations, and then explained to

00:38:06.040 Americans that Islam was a religion of peace, and that what had happened was a perversion of Islam.

00:38:10.600 He just doubled down on that to Condoleezza Rice, by the way, just about a week ago.

00:38:13.880 It's totally insane. It's totally insane. It's crazy.

00:38:16.920 And it's the thing that drove me to start talking about this stuff, is that is a cultural

00:38:24.240 problem. That is a problem. What does God's side call it? He calls it suicidal empathy or something

00:38:29.180 like that. But it's just that that has been enforced in the minds of people by movie after

00:38:35.300 movie, by television show, talk show, talk show, all the news media, that somehow that's a good

00:38:40.460 thing to look at a suicide bomber or somebody who attacks a synagogue and say, well, I have empathy

00:38:47.040 because I can identify with that and sympathize with that. That's not what empathy is supposed

00:38:52.280 to be. And it is a thing, you know, as somebody who's written thrillers all my life, I know that

00:38:56.880 when you create a complex evildoer, you feel like you've done something good. And I think you have,

00:39:01.900 you've shown that these people are not monsters, they're people, but that you should take that

00:39:06.360 into life by saying, yeah, you know, I really feel for Hannibal Lecter. I really feel, you know,

00:39:10.860 like we need to give that guy some better spices for his meat. You know, I think that that's

00:39:14.800 mistaking the message of that kind of art. I think the thing is, you know, hunt that guy down. You're

00:39:19.640 supposed to be rooting for the good guys. And we really have, when I say that the left is living a

00:39:24.380 fantasy, that's the fantasy. The fantasy is that if you feel empathy, you are somehow good and you

00:39:30.060 are somehow doing something good. And in spite of what Chesterton said, the road to hell really is

00:39:34.480 paved with good intentions. Yeah. You know, this goes back to a point that Matt was making. And I

00:39:38.560 think it's a really good point, which is that I think that the Bush move, the Islam is a religion

00:39:43.520 of peace move was in fact less about the suicidal empathy for radical Islam and much more about

00:39:49.680 insecurity about pride in America. I really think that that's the thing that's been lacking here.

00:39:53.920 And I think that that's true across the United States. I think that for the left, again, it's

00:39:57.580 not that the left predominantly loves Islam. It's that they hate the United, like truly 0.56

00:40:01.240 passionately and deeply hate the United States. And so they are willing to not only fellow travel

00:40:06.540 with, but push Islam as some sort of solution to global problems. And even on the right, 0.85

00:40:11.420 Like there is now this bizarre move, this kind of shyness about America, this desire to paint America as inherently bad or as causative of everybody else's bad feelings. 0.88

00:40:20.200 And these are all kind of normal people who would just be living their own lives in the middle of nowhere, except that we really pissed them off by having a military base in Saudi Arabia. 0.54

00:40:28.300 And if only we weren't so mean and Western, then probably they'd be fine and happy with us. 0.94

00:40:32.180 And that's just not true. 1.00

00:40:33.340 It turns out that, as Michael said right at the top of the show, for some 1,400 years, Islam has been a religion of conquest. 0.64

00:40:39.320 It is not as though people don't have independent motivations without us doing things. 0.92

00:40:43.700 And when you are so kind of self-centered and navel-gazing that you think that every bad thing a radical Muslim does around the world or Muslim regimes do around the world, that must be the result of what we do.

00:40:53.680 That is so self-centered, arrogant, and again, reflective of this bizarrely self-involved worldview that you end up destroying everything around you, not because you're empathetic for them, but because you're so concerned with yourself.

00:41:07.980 And I think that there's a lot of that going on.

00:41:09.580 Yeah, there's this error.

00:41:10.680 And you say they truly hate America, but do they really hate America?

00:41:14.640 This is my point.

00:41:16.080 You know, I believe you.

00:41:17.280 I think you're right.

00:41:17.900 They truly hate America.

00:41:18.980 But if they really hated America, there's a plane leaving every 10 minutes.

00:41:22.180 You know, they could just leave, but they don't. 0.99

00:41:24.100 And even the ones, even those dumb celebrities who run away because, oh, my God, Trump is coming. 0.99

00:41:29.780 Godzilla Trump is coming. 0.99

00:41:31.000 They come back after a couple of months.

00:41:33.240 As I well know, as a former expatriate, there's no place better to be than this.

00:41:37.300 And after a while, they find that out. So even the hatred is narcissistic fantasy. Even the hatred is just like, if I hate America, I'm doing something good because I'm not being, I don't know, jingoistic or whatever it is they feel that they're being.

00:41:51.260 This is why I really, I really hate the term. That's why I hate the term suicidal empathy. I mean, it's because as you guys have covered, and I agree, it's, it's actually not empathy at all. I mean, we do them a huge favor when we say that they're suicidally, you know, empathetic, because if somebody was actually had like a suicidal level of empathy, well, that would be someone who's crazy and should not be in power and is irrational, but it's actually a really good person.

00:42:17.940 I mean, that's someone who, like, you care so much about other people that you're driven to do things that are self-destructive.

00:42:24.500 That makes you irrational, but, like, very morally decent, if confused.

00:42:30.140 And that's just not the case here at all.

00:42:32.080 I think that what we call suicidal empathy is actually the exact opposite.

00:42:36.460 It's a total lack of empathy.

00:42:37.660 I mean, it's the same thing with, you know, you find on the left that they sympathize with the criminals. 0.97

00:42:42.940 And so that's why we have to keep releasing the, you know, the murderous black guys back out into the public because they're so empathetic, supposedly, for these criminals. 0.95

00:42:54.040 That's not empathy. That's a total lack of empathy and sympathy for the victims of that guy. 0.99

00:43:00.600 That's like you don't feel anything.

00:43:02.180 We just went, not to take this in a totally wrong direction, but we went through this with the Lindsay Clancy trial.

00:43:07.160 It's like pretending that we're so empathetic for this woman.

00:43:10.080 No, no, no, you're not empathetic for her.

00:43:11.100 you don't care at all about the three children she murdered. You're not even thinking about them.

00:43:15.460 You feel nothing for them. And, uh, and, you know, it's like the, the saying that, you know,

00:43:19.600 cruelty for the, or mercy for the guilty is guilty to the innocent. Adam Smith. You know,

00:43:25.660 the nicest thing I think you can say about the libs here equally applies to George W. Bush when

00:43:31.280 he made that crazy statement that he just doubled down on 25 years later, that Islam is a religion

00:43:36.500 of peace. And it's this kind of wish casting. When the left wants to let the aforementioned 0.59

00:43:43.780 career black criminal homeless guy out in New York so that he can go push more people down 0.98

00:43:48.960 the subway stairs, what they're saying, the most charitable read of what they're saying is, 0.95

00:43:53.760 well, I just prefer to think that this guy will be reformed. I prefer to think after the 75th

00:44:00.420 time he's been arrested that that's it. There's not going to be a number 76. I prefer to think

00:44:06.020 that a boy really can be a girl. That's probably the extreme version of that wish casting. And when 0.71

00:44:10.760 George W. Bush says Islam is a religion of peace, what he's really saying is I prefer to think that

00:44:15.800 Islam is a religion of peace. And it isn't. That's obviously belied by the entire history of Islam 1.00

00:44:20.920 from the moment that Muhammad received his supposed apparitions all the way up to present

00:44:26.540 day. It just isn't. Some religions don't spread through violence, namely Christianity, which

00:44:31.020 spreads, Christianity spreads through violence in the sense that Christians are the victims of

00:44:35.720 violence as they are evangelizing. You know, the instances of Christian violence and evangelism, 0.90

00:44:41.320 you can count on far less than one hand throughout history, and there was controversy over them at

00:44:46.540 the time, going back to the reign of Charlemagne, okay? With Islam, that is just the modus operandi, 0.99

00:44:51.900 and so Bush couldn't grapple with that. I have sympathy for him, though not to a suicidal degree, 1.00

00:44:57.400 in the sense that he wanted to keep the Muslims who are in America happy.

00:45:03.860 He wanted to think the best of people.

00:45:06.160 He didn't want to offend our Gulf allies, perhaps.

00:45:09.420 So he said something that isn't true.

00:45:11.820 But this is what the left does. 0.68

00:45:13.100 The left's argument, all the way up through the transgender thing, 0.98

00:45:15.900 was that they seem to believe that lies are liberating. 0.95

00:45:18.820 That if we just lie and we all agree to lie together, that we can change the world.

00:45:23.120 And that the truth is somehow oppressive.

00:45:25.360 And that's entirely contrary to what we've always believed and what is true, which is that the truth is what sets you free.

00:45:31.240 You know, that's a pretty foundational principle for us.

00:45:33.760 And, you know, you see this in all of our Western institutions, going back to the church.

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00:46:45.680 You make a good point, Knowles,

00:46:47.940 because you know that book, Dominion by Tom Holland?

00:46:50.880 wonderful kind of an epoch-making book almost where he traces the just universal effect that

00:46:56.640 Christianity has had on the West and how it's seeped into our pores. And one of the reasons 0.78

00:47:00.680 really that I became convinced of Christianity was noticing that it was so true that it vanished 0.88

00:47:08.240 once you accepted it. Like once you accept the ethos of Christianity, it disappears because it's

00:47:13.160 so obviously the case. So you're just living in reality. You don't have to label it Christian.

00:47:17.060 And I think that that's one of the problems the West has in this moment when Christianity has fallen away and when belief has fallen away is that we forget that this is who we are and this is why we believe what we believe. 0.55

00:47:28.340 And I am somebody who loves to anger the anti-Semites by pointing out that it is Judeo-Christianity.

00:47:33.440 It's the same ethos of, you know, caring about other human beings as you care for yourself.

00:47:38.920 And I think that that's the Bush problem. You know, there's that wonderful line that I think was William F. Buckley had about the Bushes was that they are conservative. They are. He is a conservative. He's not conservative with the big C and the big C makes all the difference.

00:47:53.820 And I think that's the thing about George W. Bush was that he didn't really understand that his own religion, which he was sincere about, was why he thought the things he thought, why he stood against the people he stood against and why he fought the wars he fought.

00:48:08.120 And so he kind of muddied the waters, as Ben says, he's muddied them very, very quickly so that the Babylon Bee had that great headline.

00:48:16.020 I think it was the Babylon Bee, if not the Onion, where they said, we predict victory against whoever it is we're fighting.

00:48:23.360 I think that that was a real problem with the wars on terror is not focusing on what exactly we were doing. 0.89

00:48:29.160 Yeah, so we need to focus on this movie by playing a video of the Muslim leader saying a bunch of crazy stuff. 0.81

00:48:35.680 That was a worse transition. 0.99

00:48:38.120 My name is Ibrahim Asad Melod, I am an expatriate of the Islamic State in Iraq and Al-Sham.

00:48:49.580 We who love and serve Allah fought back against the Americans and the Zionists and established

00:48:57.080 the glorious Caliphate.

00:48:58.720 It was a place where Muslims could live with dignity and find a refuge from the scourge

00:49:04.400 of secularism and the lands of unbelief but unfortunately your imperialism would not allow

00:49:14.160 you to leave us alone in peace pursuing the ways of allah no it was destroyed

00:49:25.120 but the miracles of allah

00:49:26.480 they never cease for here today inside of your united states

00:49:36.140 we establish a new caliphate

00:49:40.920 maybe small but every soul who truly serves Allah is a whole world

00:49:51.360 And only in a true caliphate can we truly serve Allah. 0.74

00:50:00.720 The great Satan America will fall. 0.68

00:50:10.040 It's a documentary.

00:50:11.240 That's my main criticism of this film.

00:50:12.360 Yes, yes.

00:50:12.720 I mean, well, that's kind of the point, right?

00:50:14.060 I mean, that's kind of the point, Michael,

00:50:16.600 is that actually when you watch the film,

00:50:18.600 one of the things that's weird about it,

00:50:19.700 And I think that the reason why, you know, I call this sort of a mashup between Red Dawn and and, you know, Blazing Saddles, there are these very funny moments that obviously are like half joking.

00:50:29.920 But then the villain actually is just saying things that people actually say. 0.56

00:50:34.140 I mean, like that is stuff that ISIS says.

00:50:36.980 And so when it gets called deranged by Slate, yeah, I mean, that belief system is totally deranged.

00:50:42.340 It also happens to be the governing belief system for literally hundreds of millions of people in a wide variety of countries around the world.

00:50:47.740 And what he's saying about Islamic caliphate and Sharia law being a way to govern your life and the only way that you can truly be fulfilled as a human being is to be Muslim and to be Muslim in a Sharia law society. 0.91

00:50:58.240 That is the case made by, like, Pakistan. 0.98

00:51:00.400 Okay? 0.96

00:51:00.580 That's a case that is made by Indonesia. 1.00

00:51:02.420 Right?

00:51:02.540 These are cases that are made all over planet Earth.

00:51:05.300 And to pretend that away is, I think, a sin.

00:51:08.400 Because when you pretend away the truth, you end up making yourself vulnerable.

00:51:11.380 I mean, Drew, you threw out the term war on terror because that was the term, obviously, that Bush used.

00:51:15.680 You can't fight a war against a tactic.

00:51:17.300 And everyone was pointing this out with half a brain.

00:51:19.220 The minute that George W. Bush started talking about this back in 2001, 2002, war on terror

00:51:24.320 is like saying war on murder.

00:51:26.420 You can't do that.

00:51:27.940 You actually have to fight a war against particular people or particular ideologies.

00:51:32.160 If you had said that the war against the Nazis during World War II is not a war against

00:51:35.760 Nazis, it was a war on blitzkrieg, that would have made zero sense to anybody.

00:51:40.020 But again, we did like two decades of that simply because we refused to acknowledge the

00:51:43.740 elephant in the room.

00:51:44.620 and it's an elephant that we still refuse to acknowledge

00:51:46.800 and that you're called a slur

00:51:50.440 for acknowledging the elephant in the room.

00:51:52.580 That's what's so frustrating about all of this.

00:51:54.840 Yeah, you know, listening to the speech-

00:51:56.620 Are you saying that Nazism is not the religion of peace? 0.57

00:51:58.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.94

00:51:59.540 That's why I'd be clear.

00:52:00.780 Relatively, maybe, to even the newer ideologies

00:52:03.060 that are coming out.

00:52:04.640 Listening to the speech, I'm reminded of a great-

00:52:07.420 It might have been Belloc, too.

00:52:08.440 I just crib all my good stuff from Chesterton and Belloc.

00:52:10.840 But it was an observation,

00:52:12.220 it's been made by many other people over history, though,

00:52:13.960 which is that one of the features of Islam that distinguishes it from Christianity,

00:52:18.700 which you very eloquently described, Drew, is this sort of ethos of reality.

00:52:22.500 One of the elements of Islam that distinguishes it is that it's a very carnal religion. 0.80

00:52:28.820 And I think Chesterton said it appeals to carnal men. 0.99

00:52:31.780 It's carnal in the sense that when Christians think about heaven,

00:52:35.380 our image of heaven is the beatific vision.

00:52:37.980 You know, it's being with God and loving him forever in the communion of the saints

00:52:41.560 in this way that we can't possibly imagine.

00:52:43.560 You know, we can't even begin to fathom what God has prepared for us in heaven.

00:52:48.880 So I remember when I was a little boy, I asked my family friend, I said,

00:52:51.980 hey, well, will I have pizza in heaven?

00:52:54.020 Because I really like pizza.

00:52:55.320 And you say heaven's where all the good stuff is.

00:52:56.900 So am I going to get pizza?

00:52:57.880 And he said, well, I guess you could, but you won't need it or want it. 1.00

00:53:00.900 And with Islam, it kind of goes backwards. 0.99

00:53:03.780 And it substitutes all of these spiritual goods for carnal goods. 1.00

00:53:08.300 That's the idea of the 72 virgins.

00:53:10.220 And so it's no surprise that Christianity, the religion that animates and defines our civilization, spreads in this very spiritual way where the violence is really just committed against us and yet somehow the religion spreads because of the Holy Spirit. 0.89

00:53:25.100 Whereas for Islam, being carnal, it has to spread through physical means, not through the spiritual warfare of holding my rosary and praying, but the physical warfare of actual bullets. 0.85

00:53:37.940 You know, those two things don't jibe. 1.00

00:53:40.940 And so I think that's why you're having a lot of problems of assimilation here.

00:53:44.180 Did you see some of these reports that, after we've been reading for years and years about no-go zones in Paris and throughout continental Europe and parts of the UK,

00:53:53.560 now we're getting something kind of like that in the United States?

00:53:57.560 I think a cop said he's not going into some of these neighborhoods.

00:54:02.780 How's it going, sir?

00:54:03.960 Quick question for you.

00:54:05.080 Um, I noticed you're giving a ticket to this car, right?

00:54:08.080 Yes.

00:54:08.580 Okay, and what about all the taxis that are double-parked? 0.98

00:54:11.580 They're allowed in the time of Salat.

00:54:16.580 Please say that again to the camera. Go ahead.

00:54:18.580 No. 0.98

00:54:19.580 They're permitted in the time of Salat in the city.

00:54:23.580 They're permitted to double-park in the time of prayer. 1.00

00:54:27.080 How do you know they're Muslim?

00:54:28.580 Why is he not allowed to? 0.94

00:54:30.580 Why is he not allowed to? How do you know he's not praying?

00:54:32.580 How do you know that that car is not going to pray?

00:54:41.680 How do you know that the guy that drives that car is not going to pray?

00:54:45.340 This is not the question.

00:54:46.340 Only the question is the time of prayer, we can park.

00:54:50.720 We are not justified and police justify that's a matter.

00:54:53.940 I have two takeaways.

00:54:54.940 One, I think it's kind of based that cops are not giving out tickets so that people

00:54:59.340 can pray.

00:55:00.340 That is awesome. 1.00

00:55:01.340 problem is they're, they're doing it for Muslims. Like if it were around churches, I think that's 1.00

00:55:06.120 way better. But also, but there's also clearly this two-tiered system. The, the guy, the Christian

00:55:11.400 guy, the Jewish guy, the atheist guy who's driving, he gets the ticket, but the Muslim guy has a 0.85

00:55:16.340 separate set of laws. I mean, I'm not saying we're gonna have Sharia law at the federal level tomorrow, 0.84

00:55:20.760 but that is clearly incrementally moving in that direction, isn't it? And it shows you, it shows 0.98

00:55:26.960 you the total fiction of the separation of church and state myth, which we know was always

00:55:34.720 kind of mythology because that's not actually in the First Amendment, the separation of church and

00:55:38.560 state. But you had judges in the middle of the 20th century that kind of latched on to this

00:55:44.140 phrase that, as we know, came from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote. It wasn't actually a legal

00:55:48.220 document. And they totally misinterpreted it. And the way that they interpreted it for the last,

00:55:55.220 what, 60 or 70 years, is that separation of church and state, it means that religion and

00:56:01.620 government cannot commingle at all. It means that you can't pray in school. It means that you can't

00:56:05.900 have the Ten Commandments up in a classroom. You can't have the nativity scene up on public

00:56:10.540 property, even though none of that stuff constitutes the legislature establishing a

00:56:17.260 state religion, which is the only thing that, which is all that the separation of church and

00:56:21.780 state so-called was even supposed to do. But that's what they told us. And, you know, total

00:56:26.580 separation. And now you have this, and now you have in New York, if you're a Muslim, you can 0.80

00:56:31.200 double park, you get a different set of laws. And you would think that all of the, you know, 0.99

00:56:35.900 all the nonprofits, all the kind of atheist, secularist nonprofits that exist, they exist for

00:56:42.360 exactly this, supposedly. They exist for when that happens, they're going to repel down like

00:56:47.880 the SWAT team and just start filing lawsuits. And they're not doing that here because what we

00:56:52.420 discover is that the separation of church and state thing was always about, it was never about

00:56:57.040 freedom from religion. It was always specifically about Christianity. They wanted to push

00:57:02.680 Christianity in particular out of the public sphere as much as they could. And then what 0.52

00:57:08.720 happens? You end up with a giant vacuum. I mean, Drew, you mentioned earlier the land

00:57:14.320 acknowledgments. And it's just another form of kind of religious worship. It's another form of

00:57:20.360 religious observation. And so we push Christianity out of the public sphere, and then you start 0.96

00:57:25.620 filling it in with this kind of secularist religion, with the land acknowledgments, or you 0.58

00:57:30.460 end up with radical Muslims who show up, and they take their religion very seriously, and they're

00:57:36.960 very happy to fill in the gap. And of course, the left isn't there to stop them because they 0.83

00:57:40.780 had no interest and and not to not to hammer the same point over and over again but you just notice

00:57:44.940 that just this guy is asking questions he's not trying to humiliate the officer or anything like

00:57:50.500 that he's just trying to get the facts out of him he stops i'm not talking to you it reminded me of

00:57:54.700 matt's film what is a woman where he would say say the most innocent thing like what is a woman and

00:57:59.620 it would be like get out you know get out of the room why are you asking about these things

00:58:04.120 yeah why are you asking that what's what is what is wrong with you it's just they it cannot stand

00:58:09.740 the light of day, which is what makes the Daily Wire and places like it, if there are other places

00:58:14.020 like it, it's what makes it so important. It's just shining a light on the absurdity of it,

00:58:18.600 that it is just an imaginary world. It's an imaginary world they're living in that is

00:58:22.980 threatening to this world, which I happen to like. It's threatening to the real world,

00:58:28.140 because if you live by those imaginary values, the real world can't stand.

00:58:32.060 It's just amazing. It happens again and again. It's incredible to see where the left sees

00:58:38.080 oppression and where they where they see freedom it's kind of incredible there there was uh an

00:58:43.040 interviewer i think that it's the piece probably going to come out tomorrow from the new york times

00:58:46.040 the new york times interviewed dallas and they interviewed me about the film and one of the

00:58:49.580 things that the interviewer asked he said well you know aren't you afraid that this is going to cause

00:58:53.140 islamophobic sentiment i said well i mean it is simply just portraying isis as isis and it is

00:58:58.180 saying things that are perfectly true about islam as a global religious force not talking about

00:59:02.240 individual muslims or anything like that and he said well you know people in dearborn are deeply

00:59:05.880 Jake Lang was in Dearborn and people in Dearborn are deeply afraid.

00:59:08.960 I said, well, it seems to me that Jake Lang should have been more deeply afraid considering

00:59:11.640 they beat the living hell out of him.

00:59:13.540 And the reporter kind of stopped for a second because it had literally never occurred to 0.99

00:59:17.340 him that Jake Lang having the shit kicked out of him was actually worse than Jake Lang 0.99

00:59:22.680 standing there with a sign that was offensive to Muslims. 0.99

00:59:25.560 And you don't have to be a Jake Lang bang to acknowledge that like the reality of physical

00:59:29.940 assault is a worse thing than carrying a sign in a place where people don't want you to

00:59:34.380 carry the sign.

00:59:34.940 But this had literally never occurred to the New York Times report.

00:59:38.940 He actually like you heard him stop on the phone as though this is the first time anybody

00:59:41.960 had ever articulated something like this.

00:59:44.260 And again, I think that it's that level of just blindness to what actual misuse of law

00:59:50.540 looks like that is making us so vulnerable as a country.

00:59:53.480 It's like, OK, if people come here and they legitimately use the rules of the society

00:59:57.260 against us and then they violate those rules in the same way in order to harm us and they

01:00:02.040 do both those things simultaneously, then it must be some failing of ours. We haven't fully

01:00:06.620 understood what we've done to make that happen. And I mean, that truly is suicidal.

01:00:10.880 You know, it reminds me of this discourse on the right that you hear a lot about whether the right

01:00:15.080 should be more muscular in its use of government power. And they're all debates that have gone on

01:00:19.420 for decades on the American right. But one of the memes that's come out of that, which I think is

01:00:24.060 manifestly true, is that if you have two parties fighting against each other and one of them wants

01:00:29.360 to wield power and one of them doesn't want to wield power, guess which party is going to win?

01:00:34.880 It's always going to be the party that's actually doing something that has activity,

01:00:39.620 that has a vision, that has a coalition and has momentum. And so when you look at this scene out

01:00:46.660 of New York where the Islamic community is saying, look, we're going to reshape the standards and 0.82

01:00:52.060 the norms. We're going to violate the law and we'll effectively change the law to accommodate us. 0.99

01:00:57.780 What are you guys going to do about it? 0.94

01:00:59.700 Well, you know, I don't see a lot of Christians banding together saying,

01:01:03.520 actually, we're going to double park during lunchtime daily mass.

01:01:07.620 Or, you know, I don't see a broader coalition of Christians and Jews in New York,

01:01:13.340 which is basically what New York has been for a very, very long time,

01:01:16.640 saying, actually, we're going to have X, Y, and Z series of standards,

01:01:20.500 and that's going to be enshrined in our law.

01:01:22.640 Because, to Matt, to your point, there's no such thing as a separation of church and state.

01:01:26.900 Never a perfect one anyway, because the legislators have to have recourse to morality,

01:01:31.580 which means they have to have recourse to religion,

01:01:33.200 and they're governing particular people who have certain rituals that go along with their religion,

01:01:37.580 like being closed on Sundays for, you know, having blue laws or something like that.

01:01:41.520 So there's never any way to do that, and we bury our heads in the sand and say,

01:01:45.180 no, we're going to have a totally neutral, secular kind of law, 1.00

01:01:49.660 and the Muslims come in and they say, yeah, we're not interested in that. 1.00

01:01:52.740 What are you going to do about it? Nothing? Okay, cool, we're going to double park. 1.00

01:01:56.160 And this is why I think the Declaration is so important. The Declaration of Independence is so important because it actually establishes a God that we believe in, a God who installs in us the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which is different.

01:02:08.400 You know, that's that's different. Not every religion actually gives you those rights, endows you with those rights.

01:02:13.180 And I don't think that we have any business taking that out of out of schools.

01:02:18.220 I don't think we have any business taking the Bible out of schools because that's where that thought comes from.

01:02:22.160 I don't think we have any business taking the history of Christianity and its formative value in the society out of schools. 0.61

01:02:29.080 And I think those are fights we should definitely be fighting.

01:02:31.360 We should be fighting them in the courts.

01:02:32.660 We should be fighting them.

01:02:33.440 You know, we should be getting sued. 1.00

01:02:35.060 Our schools should be getting sued for bringing the Bibles into class. 1.00

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 16, 2026

Friendly Fire： Run Hide Fight： Infidels, Useful Idiots, and the Jihadi Coup

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