The Megyn Kelly Show - October 29, 2026


Bombshell Report That Ilhan Omar Investigation Started Under OBAMA, Plus the Scheme to Trick Alaska Voters, with Stu Burguiere | Ep. 1430

Russell Brand Takes the Stand, and Jennifer Lawrence's New Face, Plus SHOCK SC and MN Polls, with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1429

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00:00:30.740 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:42.420 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:00:44.140 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday.
00:00:46.860 Russell Brand's wife taking the stand today in her husband's rape trial will tell you
00:00:51.780 all about what she had to say.
00:00:53.420 Plus, Stu Bergeer will be here later with the latest on the midterms and what looks
00:00:58.200 like a disastrous poll from CNN. Do we actually believe it? Plus, we've got some thoughts about
00:01:04.840 the way Dana Bash is handling the news about cheating in Alaska by the Democrats. But first,
00:01:12.980 another bombshell in the Ilhan Omar immigration fraud case, an unbelievable update. The New York
00:01:19.480 Times, of all places, confirming the federal investigation into the Minnesota Congresswoman
00:01:25.140 is focused in part on whether Omar married her brother in an attempt to get him a green card.
00:01:32.380 Now, we knew that. OK, we knew that. So stay with me. But listen to this from The Times report.
00:01:38.040 Quote, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security investigated the marriage in summer 2016 during the Obama administration
00:01:49.540 and found some evidence that it was fraudulent, current and former officials said.
00:01:57.620 Excuse me, I was reliably told that this is all one big conservative conspiracy.
00:02:02.180 I was reliably told by the Democrats, including Ilhan Omar, I mean, Ilhan Noor Saeed Elmi herself,
00:02:10.540 that this is all a conservative conspiracy theory.
00:02:13.900 Why would Obama's Justice Department be investigating a conservative conspiracy theory? 0.59
00:02:23.260 Obama's DOJ found evidence of the sham marriage with the Brasband. 0.91
00:02:30.220 I mean, that is a bombshell.
00:02:31.720 We knew that the Biden administration had looked into this.
00:02:34.180 We did not know that the Obama administration had looked into this.
00:02:38.040 The Times and did not exonerate her, was not able to exonerate her.
00:02:42.760 What they what they report is that they moved on because they realized that if she had done it, the statute of limitations had run.
00:02:52.540 The Times says it spoke with six former and current officials familiar with the case and reports that prosecutors did not pursue the matter due to, quote, limited investigative tools for the agents.
00:03:07.860 According to the Times, the investigators included an FBI agent who is an expert in public corruption and two agents from Homeland Security investigations.
00:03:15.740 Two of the investigators are still employed at their federal agencies in the state of Minnesota.
00:03:20.040 Let me tell you what this means. It means they investigated whether she was a fraudster who had married her brother and they found that she had and then panicked.
00:03:32.840 And then some lawyer inside DOJ said, we're good because it's 2016 and she married him in 2009.
00:03:40.200 So we are past the statute of limitations, which is five years, which would have taken them to 2014.
00:03:47.620 And they were relieved because she was the first Muslim woman elected to Congress, the first woman openly wearing a turban, all of it.
00:03:59.300 This is amazing.
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00:04:50.000 they knew okay they knew and barack obama was still out there trying to defend her
00:04:59.960 just last week on these charges remember just last week he was ripping these these allegations about
00:05:07.820 her i'm going to read you in part his ex post it is a basic principle of american democracy that
00:05:12.840 the government cannot selectively target individuals simply because of their political
00:05:16.680 beliefs or what they say. But that's exactly what the Trump administration is doing to Congresswoman
00:05:21.320 Ilhan Omar of Minnesota. To understand why this is so appalling, it's important to know the facts.
00:05:28.220 It is indeed, Barry. It's very important. Congresswoman Omar came to this country with
00:05:33.700 her father when she was 12 years old. Five years later, her father became a naturalized citizen.
00:05:39.080 If Ilhan had been 18 at the time, she would have had to apply for citizenship separately.
00:05:42.680 But because she was 17, she became a naturalized citizen automatically.
00:05:46.760 Barry used to be a lawyer.
00:05:48.880 Objection.
00:05:49.560 Assumes facts not in evidence.
00:05:51.600 It is very much not in evidence that she was, in fact, 17 and not older, not above the age of majority when she was allegedly naturalized derivatively thanks to her father's naturalization.
00:06:05.140 Neither his naturalization is clear.
00:06:08.360 We don't know that it happened, and we don't know that it was lawful.
00:06:10.940 If it did, we believe he came here under 40%.
00:06:12.680 false pretenses and was not a candidate for refugee status or asylum. And we are unable to locate,
00:06:19.800 according to A.J. Kemp, who ran against Omar and tried to get the paperwork, the paperwork that
00:06:24.940 would prove he was naturalized at all. So, yeah, assumes facts. Sustained. I sustained my own
00:06:30.720 objection. There, she has been one of the Trump administration's fiercest critics, he says, in
00:06:36.800 Congress, which has led the president to repeatedly single her out as someone who he believes does not
00:06:41.420 belong in this country. Now the administration is actively trying to deport Congresswoman Omar,
00:06:46.720 seemingly based solely on the unsubstantiated theory that she was actually 18 when her father
00:06:51.280 was naturalized and therefore is not a citizen. Now, Barry, you know very well, it is not based
00:06:57.660 solely on the unsubstantiated theory about her being 18. That is not an unsubstantiated theory,
00:07:05.540 first of all. And the word solely is doing a lot of work there. She appears to have committed
00:07:14.120 multiple incidents of immigration fraud. This woman could be behind bars within a year.
00:07:19.540 If she's lucky, she'll get deported. The number of times she applied for a passport in a name 0.98
00:07:24.840 that wasn't hers, claiming she was an American citizen when she wasn't. This is all going to
00:07:30.340 be determined. If she wasn't properly naturalized, if she came and claimed refugee status unlawfully 0.71
00:07:37.360 and under false pretenses, if she married the brother, it would have been part of her series
00:07:41.700 of immigration frauds. If her name is not Ilhan Omar and she's been using that name falsely to
00:07:47.220 run for Congress, if she's not a U.S. citizen and she's sitting in the U.S. Congress in violation
00:07:51.040 of Article 1, where do I end and begin? So, Barry, pay attention because I'm going to school you
00:07:57.440 since you love facts so much. Here I am for you. I've got you. Federal agents have raided her home,
00:08:03.120 confiscated personal records, and seized her phone, all to try and uncover a non-existent
00:08:07.580 smoking gun from 20 years ago that will somehow make their case. Think about that. Thank you so
00:08:13.040 much. I did. I did think about it a lot. And guess what? It led me down several paths that are
00:08:18.060 extremely incriminating for her. And indeed, they will involve her phone and her personal records
00:08:24.800 and whatever else they found in her home.
00:08:27.100 Non-existent smoking gun once again assumes facts.
00:08:32.840 The full weight of the federal government is being brought down
00:08:35.580 on a law-abiding elected official
00:08:37.480 because she has dared to criticize the president.
00:08:39.620 Now, he knows that's not true.
00:08:41.140 And how does he know?
00:08:42.180 His own DOJ looked into this
00:08:44.140 and was not able to disprove that she married her brother,
00:08:48.980 also known as immigration fraud.
00:08:51.900 It's also, by the way, illegal under Minnesota state law.
00:08:54.800 You may know it's unlawful to marry your sibling, but only weird pervy people need to be told that.
00:09:02.380 Barry, I don't like, OK.
00:09:07.420 Not sure why that would be confusing to him, but that's unlawful under state law.
00:09:11.760 Yes, the statute has run, but it's definitely immigration fraud.
00:09:14.840 And yes, the statute has run.
00:09:17.400 But don't you dare call her law abiding.
00:09:20.080 Once again, assumes facts.
00:09:22.560 The fact that any president or any administration is willing to engage in such transparent efforts to intimidate someone should outrage all Americans, regardless of how they feel about Congresswoman Omar's political views.
00:09:33.380 Because if this becomes the new normal, there is no reason to believe it will stop with her or that future presidents in either party won't do the same.
00:09:39.500 Indeed, one already did.
00:09:41.020 His name was Joe Biden, and he did it to your arch rival, Donald Trump.
00:09:44.380 And you said nothing.
00:09:45.860 So spare me your moralizing.
00:09:47.640 This is amazing.
00:09:49.140 He he knew.
00:09:51.080 He knew.
00:09:52.760 He knew.
00:09:54.580 The New York Times report is based on, again, three current and former officials familiar with the present day investigation and six current or former officials with knowledge of the 2016 investigation.
00:10:07.240 Who was sitting at the top of government in the summer of 2016 when this took place?
00:10:12.560 Oh, yeah, that was Barack Obama.
00:10:15.180 Donald Trump wasn't inaugurated until January 2017.
00:10:18.200 This is this is unbelievable.
00:10:22.620 They they report that the federal investigation, current one, is focused in part on whether she entered into a sham marriage in 2009 to help a man suspected of being her brother obtain a green card, according to current and formal officials familiar with the matter.
00:10:36.300 The FBI and Department of Homeland Security investigated the marriage in summer of 2016 during the Obama administration and found some evidence that it was fraudulent.
00:10:49.020 I mean, all you had to do was look at Powerline and Alpha News, which had found all of the social media posts before she ran for office in 2016, when she was still just a private citizen, celebrating Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi as her brother.
00:11:06.940 Celebrating his sister Layla, who raised him in the UK, as her sister.
00:11:12.720 Layla was 10 years older.
00:11:14.360 The family got divided.
00:11:15.180 We've been over this.
00:11:15.840 It was Leila Ahmed and Mohammed who stayed. Ilan's siblings. Hello, media. Just ask. Ask her to name all of her siblings. You don't even have to go more provocative than that. Please list all of your siblings. Say that. Do that.
00:11:32.420 She came here with the one sister, Sarah, and their dad. 0.54
00:11:35.740 They all pretended, the ones who came to the United States, that they were Omars. 0.57
00:11:39.880 The three siblings got asylum in the UK under their real last name, Elmi.
00:11:44.940 Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi is the brother, who is gay, who she married in 2009.
00:11:51.080 They became so-called estranged.
00:11:53.320 In other words, he left.
00:11:55.180 What happened was he got a green card, temporary.
00:11:57.360 Then he applied for a more permanent green card.
00:11:59.720 And they inquired more about his sham marriage. And then he withdrew the application and left town. I actually didn't know until today that it was in 2012 that he fled. He went, we think, to Kenya to be with his sister, Sarah Noor, the one who had come to the United States but then wound up in Kenya and was working on her website.
00:12:20.340 And we reported to you about, I think it was Powerline, that actually found when Ilhan Omar later in 2019 was trying to divorce him, 17, said he'd been abandoned.
00:12:34.160 He had abandoned her and she had no contact with him.
00:12:36.380 She had no idea how to reach him.
00:12:37.620 She was trying to get a default divorce.
00:12:39.580 And it was a lie because they found his entries on Sarah Noor's website out of Nairobi, Kenya.
00:12:47.120 and you could see that Ahmed had been on the website like that day checking his Instagram.
00:12:52.700 I respect people who can do these like forensic examinations of people's websites without even
00:12:57.800 like knowing them. But this is what they did. And they saw that the Brisbane was in Kenya
00:13:02.380 working for Sara Noor, Ilhan's sister, and was absolutely not uncontactable by Ilhan Omar.
00:13:10.440 She got her divorce by default because they accepted that he had sort of abandoned,
00:13:16.140 absconded. And these are all lies. These are all lies that she told. She had to certify that
00:13:21.800 under penalties of perjury, my friends, that he was uncontactable, that he had abandoned her.
00:13:26.980 She had no way of reaching him. These are what we call lies. And when you tell them under penalties
00:13:30.920 of perjury, then we call them felonies. Felonies. Now, once again, statute of limitations issues
00:13:39.220 may cause problems. But if we have got 20 some instances of immigration fraud,
00:13:44.240 We may very well be going RICO against Ilhan Omar.
00:13:48.840 And God knows what other conspiracy claim they can gin up because conspiracy has a longer statute of limitations.
00:13:54.720 You only have to find one other person who conspired with her and one or two overt acts, which they definitely have.
00:14:02.980 OK, back to The Times report.
00:14:04.740 She has long called this a right wing conspiracy theory that federal officials have, quote, debunked during her first race during 2016 debunked and they to the Times's credit, they get into how she allegedly debunked it and they actually debunked the debunking.
00:14:24.740 debunking. It's so great. What's happening in the New York Times? Welcome aboard. Come on.
00:14:30.260 We love all the fair and balanced reporting. Doesn't it feel good? Don't you feel like a
00:14:33.640 more honest publication? Great. Keep it up. Okay, here's what happened with the so-called
00:14:41.460 debunking. In August of 2016, a local news station, it was Fox 9, KMSP, by the way,
00:14:50.140 reported that the U.S. Attorney's Office in Minnesota, this is when she was running for
00:14:53.800 statehouse in Minnesota, which she did before she ran for U.S. Congress in 2019. They reported that
00:14:58.820 the U.S. Attorney's Office in Minnesota had opened an investigation into Ms. Omar. That prompted her
00:15:06.040 campaign to form a crisis management committee. Carla Jelberg, a lawyer who represented Ms. Omar, 0.99
00:15:12.520 said in a 2018 deposition related to a state campaign finance inquiry. Ms. Jelberg added that
00:15:20.020 the campaign worried that the story, which was being covered by right-wing publications,
00:15:23.860 could gain traction in a mainstream outlet. A means to quash it came on August 22nd,
00:15:29.260 2016, when the campaign released a letter it had requested from Andrew M. Lugar, who was then U.S.
00:15:38.520 attorney in Minnesota. In the three-sentence letter, and keep in mind how the U.S. attorney
00:15:42.980 posts are usually filled. It's usually somebody who shares the party ID of the sitting president.
00:15:48.240 That happened under Barack Obama. That actually hadn't been the norm where we clean house of all the U.S. attorneys when the new president came in.
00:15:54.120 Thanks to Barack Obama, that became the norm. Yet another norm breaking precedent.
00:15:58.880 He said that the mainstream publications let him get away with without any scrutiny.
00:16:04.560 Well, they want to talk to you about how Trump breaks all the norms.
00:16:06.940 So what about Barack Obama? What about how presidents never commented on legal cases prior to Barack Obama because it wouldn't be prudent?
00:16:12.920 And he's out there. If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.
00:16:15.300 And all the nonsense he did and got away with because he was our first black president. 0.72
00:16:20.040 OK, so this guy would have been a Democrat, sympathetic to Democrats. 0.72
00:16:25.880 And yet. And so here's what happened.
00:16:28.700 A means to quash the story came on August 22nd, 2016, when the campaign released a letter it had requested from Andrew M. Lugar, then U.S. attorney in Minnesota.
00:16:38.360 In the three sentence letter, Mr. Lugar wrote that, quote,
00:16:41.540 My office is not investigating, nor have we requested an investigation into Miss Omar.
00:16:49.080 Now, we pulled the actual letter. Here it is. It reads as follows. It's the tiniest little
00:16:54.340 font ever. Stand by my aging eyes. Thank you for speaking by phone earlier today about your client,
00:17:02.700 Ilhan Omar. As you are aware, an erroneous news report aired yesterday on Fox 9 indicating that
00:17:08.140 my office has requested an investigation into the immigration status of Ms. Omar. As I said on the
00:17:14.460 telephone, there is no truth to this report, and my office is not investigating, nor have we
00:17:19.220 requested an investigation into Ms. Omar. Now, here's what happened. Ilhan Omar ran with that
00:17:27.300 as her, quote, exoneration. She characterized it exactly that way, and she said it put to rest
00:17:33.200 flat-out falsehoods. Ms. Jelberg said in the deposition that the credibility of the claim,
00:17:39.640 quote, fell drastically once Andy Lugar said that's false. He said no such thing. Andy Lugar
00:17:46.820 said we're not investigating this. We're not. I have a newsflash for everyone. Andy Lugar and
00:17:54.540 even the current Minnesota U.S. attorney does not speak for all of the federal government.
00:17:59.500 But surprise, he doesn't speak for everyone. And what we saw back in the beginning of this
00:18:10.800 reporting is that it was the FBI and Department of Homeland Security that was investigating the
00:18:18.360 marriage. Now, he doesn't oversee the FBI. The DOJ does oversee the FBI. They answer basically
00:18:24.160 to the attorney general ultimately. But if it wasn't his investigation, he wouldn't have known.
00:18:29.240 And Department of Homeland Security is an entirely different department.
00:18:33.100 It's an independent agency, well, part of the executive branch, but they don't work for the Minnesota U.S. attorney.
00:18:40.020 So he said he was not investigating her.
00:18:42.640 His office was not investigating her.
00:18:44.180 That doesn't mean nobody was investigating her.
00:18:46.060 And DHS would have jurisdiction.
00:18:49.060 And indeed, it was Homeland Security investigations that raided her home two Mondays ago, whatever it was, which is under DHS.
00:18:57.640 Okay, so her team cleverly pretended that they had a fake exoneration when they didn't.
00:19:05.840 And even that fake exoneration wasn't an attempt to exonerate because this is what the Times is reporting.
00:19:12.500 In an interview last week, Mr. Luger said his letter was never meant to say anything about the substance of the claims.
00:19:18.720 Instead, he said it was narrowly written to rebut the news station's report that Mr. Lugar had asked ICE to investigate Ms. Omar, which he called erroneous.
00:19:30.720 Federal agents may have been pursuing the matter without his knowledge, Mr. Lugar said.
00:19:37.260 Yes. Hello. Correct.
00:19:39.600 He added that he had never shielded Ms. Omar from scrutiny and that he actually later backed primary candidates who ran against her, which would make sense.
00:19:49.680 He's a Democrat. He backed Democrats, but not this one.
00:19:53.840 I'm assuming he's a Democrat, given what I said earlier.
00:19:56.760 After Mr. Luger's letter became public, local news coverage of the marriage controversy waned.
00:20:05.740 And now here's, here's something very telling, very telling. That original Fox nine report was
00:20:15.200 then removed from their website and it was reposted with a scaled down version and included this
00:20:20.580 over the top response from Ilhan Omar who blamed Trump because why not? Let me be clear.
00:20:29.500 They are categorically false. I assume this is a reference to the reports that she married her
00:20:35.380 brother. They are categorically false. Now the question that needs to be asked is why are these
00:20:42.280 absurd and hateful rumors being circulated? It matters that I am a woman. It matters that I am
00:20:48.960 a Somali American woman. It matters that I am a Muslim and immigrant woman. I know deeply that
00:20:55.220 the people of District 60B oppose Donald Trump style misogyny, racism, anti-immigration rhetoric,
00:21:01.780 and Islamophobic division. Now, ask yourself, what is missing from that denial, as well as from
00:21:12.960 all of her denials, which we went over the other day? They all sound just like this one. Absurd,
00:21:18.380 absurd. Denied. These are absurd rumors. And now we hear debunked, too. But
00:21:23.660 But outrageous, racist, misogynist rumors, conspiracy theories denied.
00:21:32.400 What is missing?
00:21:35.100 Any explanation of who she married.
00:21:40.200 Any additional detail.
00:21:42.660 Any facts at all about who she married.
00:21:47.820 I, you, if I asked you to, whether you married your sibling, whether your current spouse is your sibling, you, keep in mind the Phil Houston rule.
00:22:01.160 The truth teller stays right over the truth.
00:22:05.200 The truth is their friend, so they don't run away from it with generic words like outrageous, absurd, you know, conspiracy theories.
00:22:16.180 You would say, I mean, I would tell you, I married a guy named Doug Brunt.
00:22:21.100 He's from the main line, Philadelphia.
00:22:23.600 These are his two parents.
00:22:25.420 We married on March 1st, 2008, out in Long Island.
00:22:30.300 We have three kids.
00:22:31.820 Here are the dates of the marriages.
00:22:33.420 Prior to that, I had another husband.
00:22:34.840 Here's his name.
00:22:35.500 Here's the date we got married.
00:22:36.580 Here's the date we got divorced.
00:22:38.080 Here's how we met.
00:22:40.140 No children in the first marriage.
00:22:41.800 Three children in the second.
00:22:42.940 If we want to get really personal, both marriages were consummated.
00:22:47.660 Let's see if Ilhan Omar can say the same.
00:22:52.320 Like, why does she never talk about who she married and try to give us not adjectives, but facts around his name, his background, and why he's not her brother?
00:23:08.260 How she can show us he's not her brother.
00:23:10.240 Okay, in her memoir, she talks about how she married the first Ahmed. 0.62
00:23:18.180 They're both A-H-M-E-D, the guys she married, the first two guys.
00:23:21.940 Now she's married to Tim Minette.
00:23:23.580 But first was Ahmed Hirsi, then came Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi.
00:23:29.960 Ahmed Hirsi is the father of her three children.
00:23:33.540 She married him when she was 18 in a Muslim ceremony, but it was never legal.
00:23:39.000 Remember, what are the two things you need in order for your marriage to be legal?
00:23:41.860 You need a marriage license and you need a ceremony. 0.55
00:23:44.880 She only had one half of the equation, the ceremony, by some Muslim cleric.
00:23:50.400 So in the eyes of, you know, the Muslim faith, she was married, but not in the eyes of the law, 0.65
00:23:56.820 which would wind up being kind of important because she used the legal chit on her brother. 0.99
00:24:03.180 The brother was running around in the UK gay as a blade. 0.96
00:24:06.520 And the father, who was here with Ilan and Ilan's sister, Sarah, was mad. 0.98
00:24:12.380 The reports are he didn't much appreciate his flamboyantly gay son telling everyone in the UK to taste the rainbow.
00:24:18.580 So he summoned him back to the United States to try to get a better handle on him and perhaps explain to him that they, as Muslims, didn't really believe in that kind of behavior. 0.94
00:24:29.000 And the behavior did not stop. 0.84
00:24:31.840 There's in-depth reporting now in the New York Post today, which is very good, about how Ahmed Hirsi, the Muslim husband of Ilhan, who was the father to her children, was, quote, disgusted by the other Ahmed when he got here and his behavior. 0.99
00:24:48.060 I mean, newsflash, you can't de-gayify somebody, all right? 0.89
00:24:52.980 There was a long time where Christian conservatives tried it. 1.00
00:24:55.520 Now some Muslims are trying it. 1.00
00:24:57.100 I hate to break it to you. 0.99
00:24:58.560 it definitely appears to be inborn and you can't de-gayify somebody. Now somebody can choose not 1.00
00:25:04.780 to lead a gay lifestyle. That can, that can happen. But like you really, you can't make a
00:25:09.600 guy who's attracted to guys instead attracted to girls. Hello, get a gay friend. They will, 0.98
00:25:15.360 they will explain this to you. Um, so, but they tried and the post is reporting Ilhan Omar's
00:25:22.560 first husband was embarrassed with her effeminate brother who she is accused of marrying when he
00:25:28.360 came to live with them in Minnesota, a family friend told the Post. Now, we had known prior
00:25:32.080 to this Post report that both Ahmeds were living with Ilan when her brother got here. And she
00:25:38.040 married him when she was still with Ahmed Elmi. The thing with Ahmed Elmi did not, she married
00:25:44.680 him in the Muslim ceremony when Ilan was 18. Can't do the math, but Ilan was born in 1981. So
00:25:51.520 1989. Wait, no, 1999. Forgive the math. You know, this is not my strong suit.
00:25:58.360 She married him then when she was 18, so around there.
00:26:02.920 And then she married the Bresbend in 2009.
00:26:09.520 And she had at least two of her three children when she married her Bresbend.
00:26:14.140 I think the third child came. Yeah, he did. She did.
00:26:17.220 She came in 2012 after she had already married her Bresbend.
00:26:20.760 She was still having her Muslim wedding to Hersey, who was the father of all three children.
00:26:25.040 And then she tried during the course, while she was still married to her brusband, she filed joint tax returns with Hersey, who is not her legal husband.
00:26:35.080 And they got in trouble.
00:26:36.940 She had to hire a lawyer to try to undo that because, hello, you can't file a joint tax return with someone who's not your legal spouse.
00:26:44.380 Notable that she didn't try to file the joint return with her actual so-called legal husband.
00:26:50.200 It wasn't really a legal marriage because Minnesota state law doesn't let you marry your spouse.
00:26:55.040 It doesn't let you marry your brother.
00:26:57.040 It's so confusing and it's so bizarre and weird. 0.96
00:27:00.060 So then, right around 2012, the report is that the Bresbin left because they couldn't get, he couldn't get his shit together. 0.69
00:27:10.140 This is from the New York Post report today, that Hersey was full of relief once Elmi left Minnesota around 2012.
00:27:16.620 And it was from 2012 to 2017, those five years that Ilan remained married to her Brisbane, who was no longer in the country.
00:27:26.180 But they were in touch. It wasn't just via the sister's website that we know that they were in touch.
00:27:30.280 There were social media posts and other evidence that those two remained.
00:27:33.620 They were brother and sister. But anyway, back to the time when he was here in the United States.
00:27:38.780 this is the New York Post report yesterday,
00:27:42.800 that he was an extremely feminine Somali guy from London,
00:27:48.740 fond of wearing short shorts with cowboy boots. 0.98
00:27:51.980 This caused strain on their relationship,
00:27:54.000 and the three of them were living together from,
00:27:55.920 it would have been 2009 through 2012.
00:27:58.780 And the first doc met, Hersey, was embarrassed of this guy.
00:28:01.940 The whole community was gossiping about Elmi when he first arrived,
00:28:05.620 said the source, who wished to remain anonymous.
00:28:07.980 To the post, he was walking around in tight female clothing, which is heavily frowned upon in the Somali community.
00:28:13.760 Hello, it's basically heavily frowned upon in all of our communities except for the woke left.
00:28:19.020 So I went to ask Ahmed Hersey about it.
00:28:22.800 Quote, he told me it was his wife's brother from London and that Ilan had embarrassed all of us by bringing him here.
00:28:29.860 Ahmed used very strong words and said it was, quote, disgusting.
00:28:33.940 Hersey, for what it's worth, is said to have been at the heart of Minnesota's Somali community.
00:28:37.980 He was hugely popular after settling there with his family, very sociable, had his finger on the pulse of everything that was happening.
00:28:44.260 Ahmed was known by his nickname, Ahmed Hersey, Southside.
00:28:47.920 He's a good man.
00:28:48.640 He has friends all over town.
00:28:49.700 That's probably how they all knew. 0.77
00:28:52.140 And remember when Ilan told Chris Hayes the other day, oh, at first this came, this ridiculous, absurd rumor came from a Somali blog?
00:28:58.280 Well, it did, because the whole Somali community in Minneapolis knew she married her brother.
00:29:04.020 because, among others, her Muslim husband, Ahmed Hirsi,
00:29:09.200 was running around telling everybody that's her brother.
00:29:11.620 She had to marry him so he could get a green card. 0.82
00:29:14.420 All of the Somalis in Minneapolis were gossiping, quoting here,
00:29:17.980 and trying to find out who this guy was.
00:29:19.740 Then everyone realized it was Nur Saeed Elmi.
00:29:22.060 That's what the father goes by.
00:29:24.340 Her father goes by Nur Saeed Elmi,
00:29:26.080 unless he's applying for asylum and immigration naturalization,
00:29:32.320 and then he goes by Omar.
00:29:33.700 Everyone realized it was Nur Sayyid Elmi's son and Ilhan's brother.
00:29:36.960 Everyone was shocked.
00:29:38.740 Repeating the allegations, which have dogged Omar for years,
00:29:41.100 the source said, Ahmed Hirsi told me it was his wife, Omar, who brought him over,
00:29:46.120 and it was her brother.
00:29:48.040 He explained that she had married him legally to get him papers
00:29:50.580 and that he was only Islamically married to her, he, Hirsi. 0.99
00:29:54.040 He said her brother was, quote, pure trash, 0.99
00:29:56.700 who had embarrassed their whole family and was complaining about why Ilhan had to bring him over. 0.97
00:30:01.640 The source claimed that Elmi was shunned in the community, meaning the Brisbane.
00:30:06.800 I used to see Elmi in my neighborhood, but we kept our separate ways because if people saw me with him, everyone would think differently of me.
00:30:13.000 The others used to compare his behavior to that of his father, Noor, a respected military general.
00:30:17.960 Oh, he promoted him. I think it was Colonel.
00:30:19.600 But yes, we all agree he was not some peaceful educator, as they claimed when he sought asylum.
00:30:25.020 Ahmed said he was bringing a bad name to the family.
00:30:28.960 Hersey, Ahmed Hersey said that.
00:30:32.060 Hersey allegedly did not want Elmi anywhere near his children.
00:30:36.360 Isra Hersey, now 23, and Adnan, 20.
00:30:39.520 Their third child, Ilwad, was born in 2012 when Omar was still married to Elmi.
00:30:44.380 And that's the child, the niece, that we have a picture of, Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi, 0.97
00:30:48.540 holding, saying, nieces straight out of the vagina. 0.99
00:30:52.200 He sounds like a real winner, this guy. 0.99
00:30:54.220 That's his niece, Ilan's daughter, because Ilan's his sister.
00:30:59.160 Ahmed used to insult her brother all the time and say nasty things.
00:31:05.740 Ahmed Hersey, it's confusing that they both have the same last name.
00:31:09.720 Hersey used to insult Ahmed Nur Said Elmi all the time and say nasty things.
00:31:15.340 He told me he's an uncle to my children, and I am scared he is going to influence them with his effeminate lifestyle.
00:31:23.140 Hersey, Ilhan Omar, and Ahmed Elmi did not respond to the Post's request for comment.
00:31:29.600 Again, why wouldn't you?
00:31:32.460 Why wouldn't you?
00:31:33.020 The only on-the-record response we appear to have from Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi, the Bresbind,
00:31:38.940 was to Alpha News and Preya Samson Dar, who was on the show last week,
00:31:44.620 who got him to respond in an email saying,
00:31:48.680 I've never been married that I can remember, at least not to the best of my recollection.
00:31:55.580 And then he had a little smiley face in his email, you know, like the colon parentheses,
00:32:01.080 hee hee, like that. So funny. I committed a felony. Hee hee.
00:32:08.040 This story is the gift that keeps on giving. Then he said, yeah, Ahmed Hersey and Ilan used
00:32:17.380 to argue over her brother all the time. I saw them arguing and shouting in public. And after
00:32:23.000 Ahmed Nur Said Elmi left Minnesota around 2012, Ahmed Hersey praised God for taking him away
00:32:30.560 from his family. That is the latest. Barack Obama was onto this. His statement as usual with this
00:32:42.040 guy was a bunch of bullshit banking on you not knowing any better and on the New York Times not 0.99
00:32:51.240 outing the fact that he knew his administration knew and there's no way he didn't know please 0.99
00:32:56.460 and now we have sources coming out to the New York Post talking about how of course
00:33:02.140 of course Ahmed Hersey knew he he was filing jointly with Ilan and having babies with her
00:33:08.740 while she was legally married to this guy and the three of them were living together
00:33:11.520 Of course he knew. By the way, he committed frauds, too, it appears. So he's also in potential trouble.
00:33:20.140 Now, separately, Glenn Beck had a report the other day, having received a leaked document from Homeland Security Investigations, which is taking the lead on the current investigation,
00:33:31.960 that appears to shed more light on what they're looking at around ilan omar i mean ilan uh nur
00:33:43.320 saeed elmi sat one now we have obtained the text of a memo from uh homeland security investigations
00:33:50.700 to the state department came from a source inside the administration uh we got a photo i can't show
00:33:56.680 you the photo uh but we we are telling you what it says how we got it and you can weigh it for
00:34:02.080 yourself it's dated february 9th of this year eight months before anybody knocked on a door
00:34:07.820 so they've been working on this the you know the memo asked the state department for certified
00:34:12.980 complete unredacted copies of every passport application that ilhan omar has ever filed
00:34:20.400 um also personal uh and official every supporting document every letter anything that identifies her
00:34:27.660 parents and it says why she is named as the subject of criminal and civil investigations
00:34:33.280 for possible violations of two federal laws making a false statement on a passport application
00:34:38.100 and falsely claiming u.s citizenship then one more line she also may be amenable to civil 1.00
00:34:44.160 denaturalization that's they're going to try to take her citizenship away 1.00
00:34:49.160 so homeland security investigations which appears to be taking the lead on the current
00:34:55.120 investigation went to the state department where do you do you know where you're applying when you
00:34:59.720 when you seek a passport you're applying with them they're the ones who get to decide um
00:35:04.620 and they went to them months ago and said we are investigating her for among other things
00:35:11.340 making a false statement on her passport application and falsely claiming U.S. citizenship.
00:35:17.220 My friends, her goose is cooked. They have got her. There's just way too many instances of her
00:35:26.420 claiming her name is Ilhan Omar when we all know it's not, and claiming she's not, you know,
00:35:33.200 that she's in a position to marry this guy when she wasn't, claiming she had no contact with him
00:35:37.580 when there's plenty of proof she was. Every time you seek a renewal of your passport,
00:35:42.020 you have to renew your claim that you are a U.S. citizen. And how recently, you know,
00:35:48.280 they seized her passport when they went into that home, her home in D.C. When was the last time she
00:35:52.920 did it? Was it within the last five years? Because if it was, that's a new crime and it's within the
00:35:57.100 statute of limitations. And by the way, they would already know that because when they went to the
00:36:01.980 passport office, sorry, the State Department and asked for evidence of her passport applications,
00:36:06.300 they would know exactly when the most recent one was. And then they seized the passport. And that
00:36:10.600 alone, that alone is a crime. She's in a lot of trouble. Looking forward to watching this play
00:36:16.240 out. But keep in mind what I said. Watch how she always runs from the truth. She doesn't go over
00:36:21.720 the target. She never stays on who she married. Oh, yeah. And I was going to say, in her memoir, 1.00
00:36:29.340 She writes about her husband's, and she talks about Hersey,
00:36:34.060 and then she just says that she had an elopement at a low time in her life with a second husband,
00:36:41.360 and she doesn't name him.
00:36:44.700 She does not put his name in the memoir.
00:36:48.780 Why?
00:36:49.960 Again, a truth teller stays over the target.
00:36:53.980 They don't run.
00:36:54.600 They're like, I'm very comfortable here.
00:36:56.480 What do you need to ask me about Doug Brunt?
00:36:59.180 I got you.
00:37:00.460 I will tell you everything.
00:37:02.440 Not really, because I don't want you guys to be able to find us.
00:37:04.720 Not you guys, the bad guys who are out there who try to find us.
00:37:08.940 But you know what I'm saying?
00:37:09.820 You feel no discomfort whatsoever when you're being asked about something that is real and true and won't hurt you.
00:37:18.200 To disclose, this is not her pattern.
00:37:21.540 It's not her pattern whenever she speaks of it.
00:37:24.000 And didn't we all see that plain as the nose on our faces when she spoke to Chris Hayes, who did a pathetic job, but did manage to squeak out the basic question of, you know, is this your brother? Really, it was more like, why are these crazy conspiracy theorists saying this is your brother? And, you know, was this your brother? And she managed to squeak out, not to my knowledge. 0.83
00:37:44.540 she's in trouble okay i want to keep going uh there is news in the megan markle case
00:37:54.880 today um first of all there is a change.org petition that has been started to remove her
00:38:05.960 from masterchef jr in australia remember the other day we talked about how she was like
00:38:12.080 this is devastating. She had a friend clearly speak to the mirror or someone claiming to be
00:38:16.900 a friend spoke to the mirror UK saying she's devastated. She's crying all the time. Every
00:38:20.980 time she looks at Lily, she cries, they said. I guess not Archie. Okay. And she's just devastated
00:38:29.060 about the news about her dad. Oh, by the way, guess what? She has a new gig. That was announced
00:38:33.000 by the Australian MasterChef junior program within moments. Same day. She wants us to know
00:38:39.280 she's really teary and crying, but she won't let that keep her down, folks. She's got to get back
00:38:43.220 on TV so she can feel super relevant. So they announced that. And now a petition is calling
00:38:50.260 for her to be removed from, they call it their junior MasterChef Australia, this competition
00:38:56.200 show, saying her involvement would send the wrong message to our children who are learning and
00:39:01.760 growing from the very environment the show seeks to promote. It is imperative that the role of
00:39:06.600 host be filled by someone who embodies the values of trust, integrity, and positivity
00:39:10.260 that this show represents. This person writes, I urge the producers to reconsider this potential
00:39:15.600 appointment and seek a host whose character and actions can truly enrich the experience of both
00:39:19.780 participants and viewers of all ages. Let us preserve the integrity and uplifting spirit
00:39:24.140 of Junior MasterChef by choosing a host who truly aligns with the positive and wholesome message
00:39:28.340 long has stood for. Now, my thoughts on this program is the reason she cannot host this
00:39:34.040 is that she is telling us that she has sat idly by for the past eight years while a man she says
00:39:45.900 she knew was a child molester, was roaming free in Mexico, the Philippines, and the United States,
00:39:53.440 And she did nothing. Nothing. That's what she has told us. Why would we reward that behavior by putting her on a children's program? Seriously, I'm not saying she's a molester.
00:40:10.680 But why would we reward her dereliction of basic human duty by putting her on a show that markets to children and in which she will be with children all day?
00:40:23.860 This makes absolutely no sense.
00:40:25.840 We checked the petition as of this morning.
00:40:28.020 It's been taken down by the very good objective people at change.org.
00:40:32.580 What seems to be the problem?
00:40:35.020 Huh?
00:40:35.520 What's the matter?
00:40:37.300 I feel like someone may have put a thumb on the scale
00:40:40.040 because that sounds like a good petition
00:40:42.340 that should be put back up.
00:40:46.080 There is also this commentary from Tom Sykes,
00:40:49.640 who is very, very smart on the issue of Markle
00:40:54.040 and has been doing great commentary.
00:40:55.760 We read something from him the other day.
00:40:57.680 And I want to tell you what he reports
00:40:59.920 for the Daily Beast, a publication I can't stand,
00:41:02.040 but I like Tom Sykes.
00:41:03.660 And this is what he says.
00:41:06.300 Hearing your father accused of this must be unbelievably painful, but one cannot help but wonder how Meghan, and to a lesser extent, Harry, handled the events of the last week and what the public verdict is.
00:41:18.160 The answer so far looks grim.
00:41:20.460 If possible, people are even more furious and disgusted with Meghan than before, and this time they cannot blame the mainstream media, which have by and large reverted to parroting the Sussex line.
00:41:32.440 Now, he says the following.
00:41:33.620 I fail to see how you can blame a British police force for not getting that agitated by a single letter
00:41:38.580 about an American citizen living in Mexico penned by a person with a grudge, you know, his ex-wife.
00:41:44.480 Could she not have asked any of the five policemen constantly around her and Harry what had happened?
00:41:50.900 For example, hey, has that letter been forwarded on?
00:41:54.920 But if no one actually took the letter seriously, it explains a lot, he writes.
00:42:01.380 It would explain why Meghan never followed up.
00:42:05.400 It would explain the daddy's girl comments to Netflix in her documentary,
00:42:10.040 which are bizarre if you believe her that she knew at that point her dad was a child molester.
00:42:16.160 It would explain why Harry praised Thomas Markle in his book
00:42:19.960 and why in court Meghan's lawyers said the estrangement was all the tabloid media's fault.
00:42:28.440 You remember that lie about he posed for those photos before the wedding and then he lied about it.
00:42:32.880 They've been telling that story for years.
00:42:35.040 And they said it in court where your testimony is under oath.
00:42:39.140 And it would explain the business with the friends.
00:42:41.560 Remember this?
00:42:42.260 Who talked to People magazine in February of 2019.
00:42:45.180 I forgot all about that.
00:42:46.340 But remember she used her friends to do a whole thing and people, which is very, very Megan friendly, about like what a good person she was. 0.95
00:42:53.320 They were trying to do image rehab in 2019 when things had already gone to shit. 0.61
00:42:56.940 Like, she'd been a princess for not that long, but people were already catching on to her. 0.97
00:43:01.100 She was bullying Paris staff.
00:43:03.020 She and Kate weren't getting along.
00:43:04.260 She had reduced Kate to tears, et cetera, et cetera.
00:43:08.080 And in February of 2019, she tried to save her reputation by sending the Friends to People magazine, which is a month after the letter exposing her dad was supposed to have arrived.
00:43:17.440 And he writes, and whom Megan allowed to state that she had written to her father, quote,
00:43:25.500 Dad, I'm so heartbroken. I love you. I have one father.
00:43:31.200 Please stop victimizing me through the media so we can repair our relationship, end quote.
00:43:38.580 Who would send that to a man they are convinced is an abuser?
00:43:44.440 It's a very good point.
00:43:45.840 This is, she allowed that to happen one month after she claims she was told he was a child
00:43:54.180 molester.
00:43:54.800 What she wanted the message in the papers to be was how, how broken she was, how heartbroken,
00:44:00.840 how she loved him, how she had one father and she wanted him to stop victimizing her
00:44:05.600 through the media so they could repair the relationship.
00:44:07.960 Wait a minute. 0.79
00:44:08.300 I thought it was, she knew he was a molester and she wanted nothing to do with him.
00:44:11.940 And that's why she kept him at arm's length for eight years.
00:44:16.320 He goes on to say the following.
00:44:19.000 If they did believe the letter and Megan knew instantly that it was right and from 2019 onwards adamantly believed her father was an alleged abuser and vowed never to see or speak to him again,
00:44:30.380 then that means they were lying through their teeth when Meghan chose to lay the entire blame
00:44:37.000 for her anguish and suicidal ideation at the feet of an evil chimera, is that how you say that word,
00:44:43.960 whose head was the media and whose body was the uncaring institution of the royal family.
00:44:50.780 In that scenario, she, in fact, was harboring a horrific secret about her father. But Meghan
00:44:57.880 and Harry were selling a very different story at the time, into which the tale of an abusive father
00:45:03.260 did not fit. Didn't I say this the other day? Like, why was she out there running around
00:45:09.080 blaming the royal family for almost driving her to suicide, etc., in all those, in the Netflix
00:45:15.600 documentary, etc., when she had been told that her father was a child molester? Which one of
00:45:23.040 these things would be more upsetting. That the royal family wants you to be a working royal and
00:45:28.380 they don't want you to have side gigs. Oh, and by the way, you're going to be the spare and not the
00:45:32.680 heir and be treated accordingly. Or your father is a serial child molester. Come on. They ripped 0.99
00:45:42.700 the royal family like they were the molesters at every turn. In the Netflix documentary, on Oprah,
00:45:48.860 through their friends in magazines and so on,
00:45:51.480 through, remember that guy who was basically
00:45:52.660 their stenographer, Omid Scobie?
00:45:56.080 Nothing, not an unkind word about the father
00:45:59.060 unless it was just, oh, he cooperated
00:46:00.880 with the paparazzi, poor Meghan.
00:46:02.560 She'd been, quote, victimized by him.
00:46:05.380 It is outrageous, he goes on, frankly,
00:46:07.260 that Harry's family were traduced by Meghan and Harry
00:46:10.700 for damaging their mental health
00:46:12.940 through these unbelievably trivial domestic matters
00:46:16.760 when in fact one imagines that hearing that your father was alleged to have been a pedophile would have been quite upsetting.
00:46:22.980 But any such disclosure would have completely destroyed the very, very profitable narrative
00:46:29.360 that their mental anguish in 2019 was exclusively the result of a rapacious British tabloid media
00:46:37.280 and a heartless and cruel royal family working in lockstep with them.
00:46:42.820 So good, Tom Sykes.
00:46:43.800 If you believe she accepted the import of this unpublished letter, that absolutely justifies her cutting off her father.
00:46:51.280 But it makes many times worse the horrible lies she told about the cruel and unfeeling and racist royal family and the British press.
00:47:00.460 If you do not believe she took this letter seriously, as her inaction and fond words to her dad suggest, then last week's statement starts to look horribly opportunistic.
00:47:14.700 My opinion, he writes, is that Meghan was ashamed of her ghastly family, had not told
00:47:20.240 Harry more than the bare minimum about his new relations, took the first opportunity
00:47:24.880 to cut her father off, the staged pictures, the media interviews, and then used the great
00:47:30.540 gift of the loveless letter from the first wife of Thomas Markle Sr. to bolster her decision
00:47:37.540 to Harry whilst keeping a copy as an insurance policy.
00:47:42.480 By the way, currently, Meghan's favorability rate in the royal family is, it's the lowest in the entire family, second only to Prince Andrew. His is at four, hers is at 20, 20%. Just 29% of Britons have a positive opinion of Prince Harry, which is down four points since July.
00:48:05.400 um let's see yeah and and uh wills and kate and charles and even camilla are rated pretty high
00:48:18.640 so it's really it's pretty incredible it really is like this this fallout and now they said they're
00:48:25.400 they're apparently like out of the uk right now they're taking a couple of weeks off from what
00:48:30.740 From what?
00:48:32.580 Are we the only ones who work?
00:48:34.340 Honestly, don't we all have like jobs and things to do?
00:48:36.700 Why are these two constantly flitting about the globe?
00:48:39.040 How, it's just like Tyler Perry's money.
00:48:40.980 Is it the Netflix money?
00:48:43.000 Like what the, how are they?
00:48:44.200 Whatever, okay.
00:48:46.340 I want to get to the Russell Brand stuff.
00:48:49.020 Russell Brand is presenting his defense case
00:48:53.420 right now in the UK.
00:48:55.860 His wife took the stand.
00:48:57.800 She talked about how they met in 2006. They dated. He cheated on her. They reconnected a decade later and married in 2017. They now have three children. She tried to talk about how funny he was and what a good guy he was.
00:49:15.020 the judge stepped in and said, how people meet and get together is often a touching story.
00:49:19.380 Move on, which they then did. I mean, this is, the judge clearly does not like Russell and appears
00:49:26.320 to be putting a thumb on the scale, but I will say that's not an abnormal thing for a judge to
00:49:32.700 do, to say, move it along, enough of the personal backstory. The defense lawyer for Russell tried
00:49:41.160 to ask her, what is your view as to the truth of the allegations here? The judge said, no, no, no,
00:49:46.920 she's not an expert witness. That's a proper interjection by the judge too. Winter then
00:49:51.460 tweaked the question, asking, what is your view as to his character? The lead prosecutor stood
00:49:56.440 saying, no, that's wholly unacceptable. Now, I don't know what the rules are over there when it
00:50:00.860 comes to character evidence, but at that point, the jury was briefly sent out. This is a woman
00:50:08.220 trying to get some sympathy for Russell and trying to convince people that he is human,
00:50:13.620 that he is kind, and that he has changed his life. I really, I got to say, I kind of hoped
00:50:21.640 that defense would have something better than that. I mean, of course, the wife is going to 1.00
00:50:24.940 think that. I don't know how much good that's going to do Russell Brand, but his defense case
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00:52:37.420 Let's get into the latest on polling and prediction markets. Joining me now is Stu
00:52:44.760 Bergeer. He's host of Predictable with Stu, as well as Stu and Dave do America. Stu,
00:52:50.880 welcome back. Okay, let's go. Alaska and dirty tricks that may be illegal. Don't believe Dana
00:53:00.460 Bash over on CNN who really, really, really wants you to know what happened in Alaska may be a dirty
00:53:06.740 trick, but it's not illegal. Last I checked, she didn't go to law school. She doesn't have a law
00:53:11.040 degree and she never practiced law. This may indeed be very, very illegal. And in fact,
00:53:18.580 there may have been lying under oath. We're actually looking into all of that right now.
00:53:22.700 But did you read the Times article? Because it's stunning.
00:53:25.800 Oh, yeah. Not only was it stunning to read, it was really stunning to read in the New York Times
00:53:31.040 a few days before an election. It was a really stunning revelation.
00:53:36.240 Okay. So we talked about it. Just the headline had broken yesterday. We had Mark Halpert on,
00:53:39.880 and we hit that. But now I've read the piece, and it's very in-depth. I recommend everybody
00:53:44.140 read it, and it's juicy as hell. So just to start with the top line, in the state of Alaska,
00:53:50.140 we have an incumbent Republican senator who's fighting for his political life right now. His
00:53:54.240 name is Dan S. Sullivan, Senator Dan S. Sullivan. And he is in a race against a Democrat named
00:54:04.560 Mary Peltola. And our viewers may remember Mary Peltola's had some personality issues
00:54:10.360 that have broken in the news via the New York Times over the past couple of months,
00:54:14.340 like she's been an abusive person toward her staff. She's throwing the papers all around her 1.00
00:54:19.020 office? Oh, or did she just bump into the papers and they fell off the desk? She's one of these, 1.00
00:54:24.700 you know, just like that Amy Acton running for governor in Ohio. She seems to have a problem 1.00
00:54:29.140 controlling her emotions. She had the staff feeding her lizard named Meatball a bunch of 1.00
00:54:34.860 crickets and the crickets got loose. So I'm like, this is, she's not like your favorite boss.
00:54:39.280 And she seems like a hothead. So Mary Peltola has been denying all along that she or her campaign
00:54:47.460 were in any way behind the fact that there is a second Dan Sullivan who's going to appear on the
00:54:52.220 Alaska ballot for the Senate race. He's Daniel C, right? I think it's C? That was J. Sullivan.
00:54:59.720 J, J, J, J. Like, just kidding. Just visiting. Just here to foil the race. Sorry. So Daniel J.
00:55:06.160 Sullivan is the liar, just kidding candidate. And he's posing as a Republican. So these two 0.99
00:55:14.040 Republicans named Daniel Sullivan, just one Democrat, Mary Peltola, and then some other
00:55:18.380 guy that nobody's ever heard of who actually is relevant to the scheme. And Mary Peltola's
00:55:23.860 campaign all along, because the real Dan Sullivan and the Trump White House have been saying since 0.99
00:55:28.920 the beginning, what's this bullshit? This is like, it's not unusual for one party to go out and find 0.99
00:55:35.180 like another Democrat if you're a Republican or another Republican if you're a Democrat to run
00:55:40.920 in the race to like siphon away some votes potentially. This I've never seen before,
00:55:46.100 where you find somebody with the exact same name in order to cause confusion with the voters. I
00:55:51.200 mean, truly like to treat your voters like they're idiots and then bank on them being idiotic when 1.00
00:55:56.900 they go into the voting box or being just confused. I mean, a lot of elderly people are 1.00
00:56:02.600 the primary voters in their states. Anyway, she's denied it. The Democrat Senate campaign committee
00:56:11.080 has denied it. We have nothing to do with it. Like some guy named Dan Sullivan wanted to run
00:56:14.540 as a Republican, like ease up, too effing bad. It went up to the Alaska Supreme Court
00:56:21.340 in a legal challenge in which Republicans attempted to remove Daniel J. Sullivan from
00:56:27.880 the ballot, arguing he was not a good faith candidate and citing his registration switch
00:56:32.540 from unaffiliated to Republican just before he decided to run.
00:56:36.280 In June, the Alaska Supreme Court rejected that argument, ruling there was no basis to
00:56:42.640 remove Daniel J. Sullivan in either state law or the U.S. Constitution.
00:56:48.400 And now we find out that the Peltola campaign and the National Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, DSCC, were behind it all along.
00:57:06.680 And, I mean, were they ever behind it?
00:57:09.480 They met.
00:57:10.480 They planned.
00:57:11.740 They hired a guy.
00:57:13.200 They used this guy who said he was an expert in just this kind of thing.
00:57:16.160 They scoped the state out for anybody named Dan Sullivan who they could convince to run.
00:57:21.900 This guy who used pseudonyms to meet with this Dan Sullivan and other candidates didn't said his name was Zane, among other pseudonyms, didn't give his real name and convinced them to run, push them into the race.
00:57:36.160 It was them all along.
00:57:37.740 Mary Peltola has been lying to us along with her campaign, along with National Democrats, lying to us outright.
00:57:45.380 And in the meantime, we have been subjected to segments like this one because the Trump's DOJ has smelled a rat from the beginning.
00:57:54.540 They just haven't been able to prove it.
00:57:57.220 And Todd Blanche, our attorney general, filed a lawsuit last week saying if the fake Dan Sullivan wins this race, we don't want the results certified because we're going to unleash legal hell on you people.
00:58:10.320 This cannot happen in America.
00:58:11.800 And that lawsuit was laughed at by all the mainstream media, including in this segment hosted by Dana Bash, where Todd Blanche went on.
00:58:22.720 This is on Sunday.
00:58:25.220 This just happened on Sunday, the 25th. 0.99
00:58:29.120 Look how she treats him.
00:58:31.800 This is before the news had broken, but there was plenty of evidence that something nefarious had taken place here.
00:58:38.420 And watch the following exchange in SOT 13B.
00:58:41.800 So how are you going to find the people who voted and ask them whether or not they intended to vote for this Dan Sullivan or that Dan Sullivan?
00:58:52.340 Isn't that undermining the integrity of the election?
00:58:55.340 If there were two Democratic Dan Sullivans on the ballot and they were potentially canceling each other out, would you be filing the same lawsuit?
00:59:04.000 You agree with me, Dana, right, that this is done to confuse voters.
00:59:07.080 You agree with me, right?
00:59:08.300 What I disagree with you on is that we haven't—
00:59:10.420 Come on, you can say it.
00:59:10.840 You can say it.
00:59:11.520 You said Democrats are trying to steal this election.
00:59:16.320 But steal this election how? Finish your thought.
00:59:19.000 It's not my thought, it's his thought.
00:59:20.620 By cheating, by putting a candidate up.
00:59:22.160 No, no, no, that's not all he said. He didn't stop there.
00:59:24.340 You can't just cherry pick a quote from the president of the United States and then ask me to comment on it.
00:59:28.200 The president is laying the groundwork for a scenario where the, whether it's Alaska or somewhere else,
00:59:37.240 there is in your words a couple of days ago a doomsday scenario and we could be in a situation
00:59:44.120 where president trump tries to overturn the election and the result of that could be
00:59:50.580 god forbid what we saw after january 6th that is one fundamental question oh you gotta stop it
00:59:58.400 with that you are not being a real person come on man good for him and then i just want to give you
01:00:07.100 well, I'll get to in a second her other soundbite, but absolutely no curiosity whatsoever
01:00:14.960 on how this other Dan Sullivan got there. Only pejorative questions, dismissing Todd Blanche
01:00:21.960 as basically a nutcase. Instincts to defend Patola at all. Even though Patola is a very
01:00:27.960 controversial person, there's something off about this woman. This is not somebody who you're like,
01:00:31.720 all right, this is a normal politician. She's not going to be behind something like this.
01:00:35.560 She absolutely is behind it. And on top of that, there's reporting, which I'll get to in a minute, showing that the Peltola campaign operatives who put this whole thing into operation were banking on the idiocy of the Alaskan voters and were had looked at a focus group of some said voters and relished how stupid they thought the Alaskans were. 0.99
01:01:02.420 thought these were the perfect marks for their little routine. That is what the Democrats think 0.98
01:01:08.900 of you, my fellow Alaskan voters out there who are thinking about voting red versus blue, okay? 1.00
01:01:15.620 They think you're absolute idiots and they're laughing at you. That's the other thing that 1.00
01:01:21.220 has come out in this New York Times article. So you take it from here, Stu. I would love to. This
01:01:26.020 is incredible. And I think it's a great thing for not just people in Alaska, not just voters in
01:01:30.960 alaska but voters all across the country as we approach tuesday to think about do you really
01:01:36.680 want these people in power do you really want to hand them the house and the senate people who are
01:01:42.160 doing things like this too it's not just alaska it is uh nebraska where they're running a fake
01:01:48.880 independent it is south dakota where they're running a fake independent it is idaho where
01:01:54.020 they're running a fake independent it is montana where they're running a fake independent among
01:01:58.260 other tricks and different things they're attempting to do, to fool voters. They are
01:02:05.020 going to voters in state after state after state and trying to lie to them to make them the subject
01:02:12.480 of their vote instead of Republicans. Why? They want power. And, you know, it is central to the
01:02:19.060 thesis of seemingly every Democratic politician that the voters in this country are dumb. 1.00
01:02:26.120 They are a bunch of morons who can't figure these things out for themselves. 1.00
01:02:30.400 And if we do these things, these little tricks like running a Dan Osborne in Nebraska or 1.00
01:02:35.600 running another Dan Sullivan in Alaska, we can fool them into putting us back into power
01:02:42.200 so that we can do all the things that we will deny doing in all of these states.
01:02:46.180 It is despicable.
01:02:48.200 And, you know, you mentioned the legality of it.
01:02:50.220 I would love for you to get into the details of that because I think it's, you know, it
01:02:54.020 certainly feels like it should be illegal at the very least, and I would love to know the case on
01:02:57.540 that. But just speaking from a trust standpoint with voters, this is actually a really big
01:03:03.980 development, and I give credit to the New York Times for actually reporting on Peltola, not just
01:03:08.700 this time, but previously, as you noted. Think of what a break of trust this is. You're asking
01:03:16.840 people for your vote, and the way that you're going about doing that is to intentionally try
01:03:23.120 to make their vote not count you're trying to take this incredible privilege we have in the
01:03:30.140 united states as voters to participate in the democratic part of our constitutional republic
01:03:35.700 and and you're trying to take their vote and flush it down the toilet so that you
01:03:40.600 can get a new gig that is despicable and i hope that people in alaska realize how awful this is
01:03:48.700 And don't trust her, because I will say, you know, we've seen some of this stuff nationally.
01:03:54.100 Peltola has a relatively good, you know, reputation in Alaska. 0.97
01:03:59.020 She's won as a Democrat statewide there.
01:04:01.860 She is constantly coming to the voters and telling them, oh, I'm not like I'm not like Ilhan Omar.
01:04:07.240 I'm not like AOC.
01:04:08.500 I'm, you know, I'm talking about oil and fishing and all these things.
01:04:12.100 She tries to appeal to these voters.
01:04:13.380 they should know she's not only lying about her her involvement in the dan sullivan situation
01:04:18.900 she's lying about all these positions too and she will go in there and she will vote like every 0.64
01:04:22.880 other democrat from new york and california when she gets this job if she does she lied she lied
01:04:30.480 right to them she lied to them all this this cannot stand they cannot say this is i mean that
01:04:36.680 ad that vivek unleashed in the ohio gubernatorial race was very controversial but he didn't lie he
01:04:42.540 said it was me. And I'm going to put another $4 million behind it because I like it. His whole
01:04:47.480 point is she's the liar. My opponent is a liar. She's got a lifetime of lying. But he didn't try 1.00
01:04:53.300 to dodge responsibility for the ad. Here, she's been telling everyone she had nothing to do with 0.95
01:04:58.720 it. Then she made the colossally stupid blunder of firing her campaign chair. And that woman 1.00
01:05:07.380 is scorned. She's been dishing the tea on Peltola ever since. That's how the New York Times keeps 1.00
01:05:15.780 getting these exclusives. And even in this piece, which again is very lengthy, they start by saying,
01:05:21.740 okay, this woman Rios is our main source. She was part of it and she's got all the receipts.
01:05:28.160 But a week before we went to press, she called us to say, I want to retract every statement I've
01:05:33.160 made and I don't want to be your source on anything. And I'm sorry to break it to you,
01:05:37.860 Ms. Rios. That's not how it works. Once you've told us and forked over the evidence, it's ours
01:05:43.560 now. It's reportable. And we don't have to take your quote retraction that you don't want to
01:05:48.680 participate. A lot of people have second thoughts after they speak to a reporter. Too bad for you.
01:05:53.700 That's why reporters aren't your friends. They want the scoop. That's what they want more than
01:05:58.740 anything else. So she tried to dial it back. It was too late. And this woman has been spilling the
01:06:04.220 tea on her, including here. And now the jig is up like she is caught red handed. And so the New York 0.92
01:06:10.880 Times, to its credit, they write about how they their reporter went out to Alaska to to find this
01:06:22.380 fake Dan Sullivan and to do their reporting. Steve, what's the name of the reporter? Kellen what?
01:06:28.740 We're going to look it up. He's good. This guy, he's good. So he goes out to Alaska to try to figure out what happened here. And on the Daily Podcast today, which is all about their scoop, they interview this reporter and he did catch up with fake Dan Sullivan, meaning Daniel J instead of Daniel. Daniel S. Sullivan is the senator. S for senator. So you can remember he's actually the real guy. Anyway, he found Daniel J. And here is some of their conversation.
01:06:58.340 Then I got down to the question that everyone wanted to know.
01:07:01.560 Why did you get into this race?
01:07:03.220 I think the reason anybody runs is they're dissatisfied with what's going on.
01:07:06.960 And we've had the senator for 12 years.
01:07:09.580 And if you need a change, I'm willing to step up and do that.
01:07:15.220 He said that he was a moderate Republican who was fed up with Senator Dan Sullivan's policies
01:07:22.460 and thought he might throw his hat in the ring.
01:07:25.060 And he said that people in his life for years had been making jokes that he should run against Senator Sullivan because he shared the guy's name.
01:07:33.420 You're the good Dan Sullivan. I wish you were our Senator and to the better Dan Sullivan.
01:07:37.320 There's this visceral connection you have with someone who has your own name.
01:07:42.640 Some people even called him Senator around town.
01:07:47.480 I don't think the Republican Party needs to be the MAGA Party.
01:07:55.060 Okay. So you hear him there super chatty with Kellen Browning, who broke the story, until he realized what they were going to write. And then he went dark and stopped speaking to Kellen, according to the New York Times.
01:08:12.140 But here's what Kellen reports in the actual piece, that Dan Sullivan was contacted by this operative, Jared, J-E-R-I-D, Kurtz, the guy who was supposedly experts, a specialist in secret ballot maneuvers, according to this fired campaign chief, Ms. Rios.
01:08:34.180 And Mr. Sullivan lived in the tiny village of Petersburg, and Mr. Kurtz, the operative,
01:08:39.000 described him as amenable to running if it would help Ms. Peltola.
01:08:44.220 Mr. Kurtz told us when we found him, according to Ms. Rios, he said that Mr. Sullivan,
01:08:53.060 the fake Dan Sullivan, said he hated Trump.
01:08:57.260 And if it was going to help Mary, he liked Mary.
01:09:00.080 He didn't have any interest in being a politician, but he would do it if this would help.
01:09:06.920 Mr. Sullivan has maintained that he entered the race of his own volition, did not respond to repeated requests for comment over the past week.
01:09:16.700 Mr. Kurtz, the operative, did not respond to repeated requests for comment in recent days.
01:09:21.620 He removed his LinkedIn profile from public view and made his ex-account private.
01:09:26.960 um so this guy you heard him he's chit-chatting like oh i really just you know i people have
01:09:34.140 always said you have the same name and i just think that republicans they don't have to be
01:09:38.580 maga you know we can we can be and i'm a moderate republican no no he's nothing other than a trump
01:09:45.840 hater who was unaffiliated whose sole goal was to help mary peltola that like it's amazing they
01:09:52.840 got this guy to speak on mic, and then he went dark, and so did the operative, who have remained
01:09:58.420 dark, but text messages viewed by the Times show officials with the DSCC and the Peltola campaign
01:10:04.940 communicating for months about the project, Stu. They were very stupid. It was all in writing. 1.00
01:10:12.020 There are plenty of records, and this woman, Rios, gave away the farm.
01:10:16.320 Yeah, and then was intimidated to try to take the farm back, which is another part of the story.
01:10:21.620 can't get the farm back i'd love to know though what pressures she was feeling to need to feel
01:10:27.340 the need to send that after you know leaking stuff theoretically to the times for a while 0.97
01:10:31.660 on peltola all of a sudden right before this report this close to the election she has a 0.99
01:10:36.580 sudden you know change of heart and has wants to give no sourcing at all on this boss she
01:10:41.860 supposedly is disgruntled on that's a fascinating part of the story too um you know it really comes
01:10:47.220 that whole, the whole process is so dark and twisted. And the fact that they have all the
01:10:51.980 texts to prove this, they have all the documents, all the receipts to prove this is, is really
01:10:59.020 remarkable. And I, you know, I, I think you mentioned like, you know, like, like you look
01:11:05.460 at this and say, well, who would, who, who knew this? Who, who would believe this? This is now
01:11:08.820 new information, but like, let's be honest about it. We all knew this, right? The second this
01:11:12.580 happened, we all knew something like this was behind it. We might not have known the names,
01:11:18.160 and I don't know the exact players, but of course, obviously, this was an attempt to manipulate the
01:11:22.940 voters of Alaska into misusing their votes. These people who came to us during Bush versus Gordon,
01:11:28.720 like, oh, the intent of the voter is so important to us. Democracy is the thing that we care about
01:11:34.700 so, so, so much, but let me steal a bunch of Alaskans' votes here.
01:11:38.860 um it dies in darkness it dies in darkness with all this going on we all knew right we all knew
01:11:45.660 something like this was happening and you know who else knew dana bash dana bash 100% knew
01:11:52.840 entering that interview exactly what happened she again might not have known the text messages
01:12:00.140 were going to come out on record because i doubt she would have handled that uh interview that way 0.99
01:12:04.400 stupid now yeah she looks ridiculous but like she's faking this sort of uh naive idea as to 1.00
01:12:12.100 what's going on here and you know it doesn't serve the whatever four viewers they have left on cnn 1.00
01:12:18.440 it doesn't serve voters in america to just act and fake as if uh because trump is their enemy
01:12:26.500 they get to say whatever they want and act however they want it's really kind of disgraceful
01:12:31.240 Why would she basically vouch for the Peltola campaign?
01:12:35.660 She doesn't know whether this woman is honest or not. 0.87
01:12:38.340 She's basically going off of she's a Democrat, so she must be telling the truth.
01:12:42.660 You know, like, oh, well, the Alaska Supreme Court said that there was no basis to find that there was interference by the Peltola campaign.
01:12:48.420 Guess what?
01:12:48.960 They were wrong.
01:12:50.100 They can be wrong.
01:12:51.700 The lawyer for Daniel Sullivan misrepresented this case, certainly the nature of it, to the Alaska Supreme Court.
01:12:59.240 I want to go back.
01:12:59.760 I am going to go back and pour over the transcript of his argument and figure out whether this guy violated his ethical obligation.
01:13:07.060 You have a duty of candor to the court.
01:13:09.220 The reason defense lawyers, criminal defense lawyers, tell their clients, don't tell me anything.
01:13:13.100 I don't want to know your explanation for whether you did the crime or not, is so that they can have wiggle room to argue in front of the court without violating their duty of candor.
01:13:21.600 You can't go in there and knowingly suborn perjury from a witness.
01:13:25.000 Get him to tell a story you know is false.
01:13:26.600 But if you don't have your client tell you the story, you have wiggle room.
01:13:30.280 This guy, if he went in there and made knowing misrepresentations to the court, is going to be in a lot of trouble.
01:13:35.960 And I want to see what Dan Sullivan said, if anything, on the record.
01:13:38.460 Was there a sworn affidavit?
01:13:39.700 I want to know all of it because now we know the truth, and these guys are in a lot of trouble.
01:13:44.460 So what does Dana Bash do?
01:13:45.700 Now, let me tell you something.
01:13:46.740 I've had situations over the course of my years in journalism where I find out a position I took was wrong.
01:13:52.340 It turns out to be something other than I thought.
01:13:54.600 and I'll go out and tell the audience I was wrong.
01:13:56.920 I got that one wrong and here's how I got it wrong
01:13:58.580 and here's what the new update is. 1.00
01:14:00.020 What did Dana Bash do today?
01:14:01.760 What did she do when this news broke?
01:14:03.880 Not in the Free Beacon, not in the Daily Caller,
01:14:08.340 not at foxnews.com, but in the New York Times,
01:14:13.220 her paper of record.
01:14:14.880 She had to deal with it. 1.00
01:14:16.060 It's dem-on-dem violence.
01:14:18.220 She had no choice but to deal with the reality
01:14:20.480 of what it printed.
01:14:21.700 So today, Stephen Glein, this is yesterday, what her messaging was having to deal with this new reality. 0.97
01:14:31.000 Alaska is a state that votes by rank choice.
01:14:34.840 So this is not illegal.
01:14:37.900 It is not new.
01:14:39.800 Two things you said are very important.
01:14:41.020 It's not illegal and it's not new.
01:14:43.160 But what is new is that nowadays that you really can't get away with doing these things.
01:14:46.780 There's always going to be some kind of trail.
01:14:48.360 I use the term dirty tricks intentionally because it's not illegal. This is something that is untoward. It is something that Democrats have tried to do in races where they think it could be to their advantage.
01:15:05.040 These are dirty tricks. They are legal dirty tricks. But again, at a time when you have a president and his supporters, particularly those with very big platforms, trying to undermine the election, and Alaska is a potentially key and even pivotal Senate seat that could determine the outcome of the control of Senate, it's a big deal.
01:15:30.140 It's absolutely a big deal, and I think there's no question, despite, as you all have pointed out, and I think it's worth us saying again, this was not illegal, something that they are going to blow up.
01:15:42.960 Stu, are you gleaning anything from their messaging today?
01:15:46.220 I don't know. Was it legal or not? I couldn't tell from that clip.
01:15:49.880 I mean, they really had the talking point down immediately there.
01:15:53.460 Now, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.
01:15:56.100 There's a great ex-follow called The Prosecutor's Podcast, and they have their own podcast.
01:16:00.960 And these are two former, well, two current lawyers.
01:16:05.660 One is named Brett Talley.
01:16:06.540 He's a Harvard Law School grad who has worked in state and federal government, clerk for judges, worked in private practice, and served as a prosecutor.
01:16:12.500 And Alice LaCour, who's a Yale Law School graduate, native Texan, who brought her legal background into deep dive trial and cold case analysis.
01:16:19.840 And here's what their take was upon seeing the news.
01:16:24.160 They write, I was curious if this conspiracy to trick people into wasting their vote was
01:16:29.060 criminal.
01:16:29.740 Seems like there are several ways it is, even without a federal investigation.
01:16:34.300 Here are just a few.
01:16:35.780 Interference with constitutional rights.
01:16:38.300 They cite the statute.
01:16:39.760 When one injures, oppresses, threatens or intimidates another person with intent to
01:16:45.040 deprive that person of a right.
01:16:46.960 This one is the most obvious.
01:16:48.860 The whole point is to deprive people of their vote.
01:16:51.780 Number two, criminal impersonation assumes a false identity and doesn't act in the assumed character with the intent to defraud.
01:17:00.520 By the way, Ilhan Omar might be able to she might be looking at charges under that.
01:17:04.940 According to The New York Times, there were multiple false identities in this fraud.
01:17:10.440 That operative was constantly using fake identities.
01:17:13.620 But then they write not the least of which is fake Dan Sullivan, who is using his real name to trick people into believing he is someone else.
01:17:20.700 Great fact pattern for a case. They offer up unsworn falsification with you when you with the intent to mislead a public servant in the performance of a duty, submit a false written statement in an application for a benefit.
01:17:35.680 fake Dan Sullivan, lied multiple times, including to the Alaska Supreme Court, they say,
01:17:41.080 to get on and stay on the ballot. Those are just three that are potential here. And then here is
01:17:48.500 President Trump, who weighed in with the following, SOT 12. This is yesterday? Yeah, yesterday.
01:17:57.860 Democrats in Alaska, despite their sworn statements to the contrary, put a man named Dan Sullivan on the ballot in order to continue the public with highly, think of it, they wanted to continue the public dialogue.
01:18:15.360 They wanted to say that there was a man named Dan Sullivan on the ballot.
01:18:20.900 He's a great esteemed senator.
01:18:22.960 So they found a man named Dan Sullivan and they put him on the ballot.
01:18:27.480 And nobody can tell the difference.
01:18:30.240 This is voter fraud at the highest level.
01:18:32.400 And the Democrat candidate who was involved in the scheme, Mary Peltola,
01:18:37.740 who said she didn't know anything about it in court.
01:18:42.240 she should be removed from the ballot and prosecuted and so should the fake dan sullivan
01:18:49.300 well there you have it the president explicitly calling for her to be prosecuted and these
01:18:55.560 former prosecutors saying there are plenty of crimes here that may have been committed
01:18:59.360 but dan abash would love for you to know nothing illegal happens still yeah i i mean you're the
01:19:06.420 one with the legal background here but my understanding is you are allowed to lie under
01:19:09.900 oath as much as you need to right to get to your uh is that how that works yeah if you're a democrat
01:19:14.620 okay if you're a democrat yes okay good um yeah no it like that type of stuff seems blatantly
01:19:19.700 illegal the question i guess is what does that mean to the candidacy and and i doubt a lot of
01:19:25.100 this you know it's not going to all run through the courts by tuesday unfortunately um what can
01:19:30.780 go through by tuesday though is that people in alaska can realize this and they can see it and
01:19:35.680 I'm curious to see how the local media in Alaska will handle this.
01:19:39.860 Will this be something that they just don't really cover and kind of brush off?
01:19:44.120 It's the New York Times.
01:19:45.340 Usually people pay attention to it.
01:19:48.060 I hope they do.
01:19:49.120 And the dynamic of this race, Megan, is so interesting because we did a segment yesterday
01:19:54.060 on my show, Predictable, where we looked through a bunch of these campaigns and tried to look
01:19:57.920 at these Senate races and what the Democrats are actually trying to do here, which there's
01:20:02.500 five seats that are double digit Trump seats or Trump states just two years ago. And they're
01:20:10.140 trying to flip these states by and the polls are showing they're doing it right. Like 13 point
01:20:15.200 movement, 14, 15 point movement from just two years ago. It's a really, really heavy lift.
01:20:21.020 And Alaska is one of these states where they're doing this. And, you know, if you look back,
01:20:26.540 that hasn't happened really at all. There's never been a case, at least going back to the Reagan era,
01:20:30.860 where you've had flips like this.
01:20:34.620 The only exception was 1986,
01:20:36.200 where there were seven seats that flipped
01:20:38.320 from double-digit Reagan states to go to the Democrats.
01:20:41.820 Of course, the story behind that one is
01:20:43.700 Reagan won 49 states,
01:20:45.380 so he won all the states, basically.
01:20:47.120 So there's lots of opportunities.
01:20:48.380 That's not what happened in 2024.
01:20:50.620 So this is a really heavy lift for Democrats.
01:20:52.740 They need everything to go right.
01:20:54.500 In a state like Alaska,
01:20:55.820 where they're appealing to people
01:20:57.500 who are, generally speaking, Republican voters,
01:21:00.500 who want less interference from their government, who don't want the Green New Deal, who don't want
01:21:06.200 all these crazy reforms that the left is trying to implement, who don't want the woke nonsense.
01:21:11.780 These are normal, regular, everyday people who are in a democratic environment, maybe frustrated
01:21:17.800 about fuel prices, maybe frustrated about the war in Iran, maybe frustrated about tariffs and other
01:21:22.700 things. They're trying to appeal to them and say, hey, you got to trust me here. I know you don't
01:21:27.820 want what other Democrats do, but I'm not them. I'm different from that. You can trust me. I'm
01:21:33.420 different. And that is the appeal of Mary Peltola. She's coming at this as almost an independent
01:21:39.320 candidate. She's saying she's not of that group of Washington people explicitly. And I just hope
01:21:46.980 the people will actually understand this and separate it from the pitch they're getting.
01:21:51.200 listen to her today uh yesterday she was asked about this when it hit um and and uh take a
01:21:57.800 listen to what she said it's not 11 this is just another distraction it's another diversion every 0.71
01:22:03.540 day it's some new you know look over here moment not damn did you do it didn't you registered
01:22:11.080 republican incumbent voted for this war in iran 14 times lisa markowski quit voting for that war
01:22:18.760 in iran six months ago and he's doubling and tripling down and this is not somebody who's
01:22:25.520 working in our best interest and anybody who's working in our best interest isn't going to talk
01:22:31.100 about the nonsense this is all stuff to sell newspapers did you do it stuff to get subscriptions
01:22:36.800 um nobody at the new york times cares about affordability in alaska
01:22:41.900 unbelievable dodge oh won't won't speak to it of course because she did it she did it her campaign
01:22:51.300 manager is saying she did it before she tried to retract it if she got scared she's i mean it the
01:22:57.980 proof is there black and white the text messages the trail all of it and here's the other problem
01:23:03.840 that mary paltola has the times article writes as follows in one exchange of text messages obtained
01:23:11.560 by the Times. Peltola advisors seemed to make fun of voters while watching a focus group,
01:23:18.040 surmising the participants would be susceptible to being tricked into voting for a ballot spoiler.
01:23:24.200 Quote, do we have a scheme for you, wrote one consultant for the Peltola campaign.
01:23:30.580 A pollster on the chat wrote that one voter seemed like the perfect audience, quote,
01:23:35.620 for our ballot strategy plan, smiley face, end quote.
01:23:41.600 This is the disdain they have for Alaskan voters.
01:23:45.480 They're watching them in a focus group,
01:23:48.080 basically saying, oh, we got a live one. 1.00
01:23:50.380 That one's an idiot. 1.00
01:23:51.700 They'll never question our plan. 1.00
01:23:53.420 They're absolutely going to vote for the wrong Dan Sullivan.
01:23:56.380 Score. 0.91
01:23:57.400 That, what reporters let her get away with that, 1.00
01:24:01.340 what we just saw? 1.00
01:24:02.520 Every reporter needs to shove a mic in her face 1.00
01:24:05.280 Did you do it? Stop talking about Lisa Murkowski and Iran or anything else. Did you or didn't you?
01:24:14.780 What do you have to say about your campaign staffers mocking the intelligence of Alaska voters?
01:24:20.160 Do you apologize? I mean, that's the only thing that people should be asking from now until Tuesday.
01:24:25.900 Yeah. And these aren't like super PAC people. These aren't like, oh, you know, loosely affiliated left wing groups.
01:24:31.880 these are campaign people. These are people who are working for her. Yeah, it was her staff who's
01:24:38.120 in the middle of all this. And, you know, it's hard to imagine. I come back to the reporting a
01:24:44.860 little bit on this, which is interesting, the fact that the New York Times, because they could
01:24:48.040 have waited on this, to be honest, and we should give them credit. They easily could have delayed
01:24:51.380 this. Well, they kind of did. Well, they did wait until the last minute. They've been working it for
01:24:55.360 two months. And Hugh Hewitt was pointing out online, we've already had, I think, 54,000 people
01:25:00.780 vote in alaska early yes so with all due respect the times uh it would have been helpful if they
01:25:06.940 had broken this a little sooner and you know yeah like i don't want to crap on the messenger because
01:25:12.500 thanks to them we know about it but we know about it kind of late in the process go ahead agree and
01:25:16.440 i don't want to overstate my praise here for the new york times i am glad that they did this and
01:25:20.420 they didn't wait until you know i feel like typically we'd hear about this on like friday
01:25:24.040 after the election when we had absolutely no way that we could do anything about it
01:25:27.740 So I'm glad that we hear about it. But and I think there's a line between like left wing reporters and commentators, which I've always found interesting, which is there is there is some there's one group of those types of reporters who, while they have partisan leanings, will tell the truth, particularly when they are annoyed they've been lied to when they when when because they have been asking about this stuff for a while.
01:25:56.840 I mean, this has obviously been out there in a story for a while.
01:25:59.580 Not on the list.
01:26:00.460 Dana Bash.
01:26:01.120 Right, exactly.
01:26:01.760 Keep going.
01:26:02.060 That's the other side, right?
01:26:03.220 That's the other side of it.
01:26:04.220 Who will take the lies and take all the times that they were told behind the scenes, oh,
01:26:09.460 there's nothing to this at all.
01:26:10.640 Nothing will ever come out.
01:26:11.700 And they will ignore the fact that they were used completely for this agenda.
01:26:16.700 And because they want the agenda so badly, still continue to kind of toe that party line.
01:26:22.080 I give at least a little bit of credit to the Times reporters who went the other way
01:26:24.820 and said look you know i usually what happens in these situations when you're like wow why would
01:26:29.700 the new york times report this you know four days or five days before an election it's usually
01:26:34.180 because they're pissed right like they were told they've been reporting they've been talking about
01:26:40.220 this and they've been lied to over and over and over again by these officials uh in this case
01:26:45.680 the uh the official uh the actual campaign worker who uh who came out with this you know
01:26:52.060 So taking a brave step here, I mean, this could be, could legitimately be control of the Senate because of this.
01:26:59.820 Now, I doubt it.
01:27:01.180 You know, there's a lot of different, you know, things that could go right or wrong.
01:27:04.200 Oh, if it is, we are in for the nastiest legal fight.
01:27:07.660 Oh, my gosh.
01:27:08.480 And not to mention, if it does wind up burning Peltola, can you imagine what the left will do with the New York Times?
01:27:14.400 They will think, OK, because they.
01:27:15.940 Kellen.
01:27:16.440 Oh, my God.
01:27:16.920 He's going to need to move to Alaska.
01:27:18.340 Yeah.
01:27:18.760 Just go like one of those remote little homes.
01:27:21.260 It's true.
01:27:22.060 I wouldn't want to be the guy.
01:27:23.580 I wouldn't want to be him.
01:27:24.760 But again, I give him credit for coming out and doing that.
01:27:27.420 That's good.
01:27:29.000 I think we've talked about this a little bit before, Megan.
01:27:31.480 It would be great if we had a functioning mainstream media.
01:27:35.340 Like, yes, we are out there and we're giving different stories and we're talking about
01:27:39.320 these in different ways.
01:27:40.120 And you need to have multiple voices.
01:27:41.900 But it would be great if we had a bunch of people who just didn't care about partisan
01:27:46.940 leanings and just did the truth.
01:27:48.680 Like, we could use a functioning CNN in this country.
01:27:51.380 We could use a functioning New York Times in this country. And the fact that we have to kind of, you know, praise every time there's a scattered shower of journalism at one of these places is a disappointment. We really should be able to depend on them for more. But again, when you get one that's good, let's just be happy for about five hours.
01:28:09.960 Let's be happy.
01:28:11.080 I mean, I will say the Wall Street Journal broke the story on Kimberly Guilfoyle. 0.78
01:28:14.140 She's not running for office, but she's a Trump administration ambassador.
01:28:17.800 So that was, you know, that was red on red violence.
01:28:20.360 And here we go with the Times.
01:28:21.780 So let's see more of it.
01:28:23.660 You know, let's see more of each so-called, you know, paper journalist challenging their
01:28:29.200 own, quote, side.
01:28:30.340 We need it.
01:28:30.920 That's it's called journalism.
01:28:32.180 That's what we used to say anyway.
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01:31:58.840 Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly.
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01:32:40.400 Stu Brageer is host of Predictable with Stu. He's back with me now. All right, Stu,
01:32:44.620 let me run this by you because you host a prediction market show and you're always
01:32:49.520 transparent about all of your own trades because you enjoy doing this stuff. So I want to get your
01:32:53.560 expert picks as we are less than a week away, a few days away from the midterm elections.
01:32:59.160 Which of these underdogs would be a good trade to make? Okay. And which do you think has no shot?
01:33:05.800 Number one, Susan Collins in Maine, who's got a 39% chance to win.
01:33:13.220 Two, Ken Paxton in Texas, who has a 31% chance to win.
01:33:18.840 Three, Mike Rogers in Michigan, he's got a 29% chance to win.
01:33:23.160 Or four, Annie Andrews in South Carolina, who's got a 29% chance to win.
01:33:28.960 Which one do you like?
01:33:30.400 Like they're being underrated.
01:33:32.280 And which one do you not like?
01:33:35.320 uh i would let's see i would probably rank uh them one susan collins uh who despite a couple 0.94
01:33:43.520 of polls that show her four or five points behind has been very competitive and has outdone her
01:33:48.180 polls there over and over and over and over again so i would say she's number one um i think uh
01:33:55.000 two i probably put rogers uh you know rogers has a chance to win it's a difficult it's not me yeah
01:34:03.120 I know you're not a Rogers fan.
01:34:04.700 I'm against you.
01:34:05.800 No, I don't dislike him.
01:34:07.800 I don't know. 0.98
01:34:08.360 I just think in this environment, especially in Michigan, it's going to be decided by Israel. 0.91
01:34:12.900 He's on the wrong side for that voting block. 0.63
01:34:14.680 So he's going to lose.
01:34:15.760 And all the stuff about El-Sayed being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, those are your grandfather's Fox News arguments.
01:34:22.780 That's just not going to work.
01:34:24.260 It doesn't acknowledge the current mood, even amongst young Republican voters.
01:34:28.160 That's why I think Mike Rogers is going to lose.
01:34:29.760 I could be wrong, but can't wait to see how it turns out.
01:34:32.120 of just, if I'm talking about putting my money on something, like we're talking about with
01:34:35.560 Kalshi, I'm not putting my money on Rogers, but you keep going. First of all, we got to get you
01:34:40.200 a Senate fantasy team. We have this, a fantasy league going on at Senate, Senate fantasy.com
01:34:45.040 free to enter, uh, cash prizes. I don't know if you need some cash for Christmas presents or
01:34:49.600 whatever this year, Megan, you get in there, you have to pick, it walks you through the whole
01:34:53.780 process. You pick a bunch of, uh, uh, senators. I think there's eight picks you have to go through
01:34:58.060 and we keep score for everybody. There's like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people in this.
01:35:02.120 you should get a team.
01:35:03.480 We'll show which team you are
01:35:04.680 and people can compete against you.
01:35:06.440 This is like one of those fantasy leagues
01:35:08.360 I actually could participate in
01:35:10.640 unlike everything my husband and my sons do.
01:35:12.780 Yes, exactly.
01:35:13.900 Get on board.
01:35:14.700 It's a lot of fun.
01:35:16.100 But yeah, no, I can see what you're saying.
01:35:17.720 I think my argument for Rodgers there
01:35:20.240 is less about Rodgers 1.00
01:35:21.460 and more about the weakness of El Saeed,
01:35:23.600 where if they had run a more moderate candidate there,
01:35:26.440 I don't think Rodgers would have a chance, honestly.
01:35:29.880 Like Haley, Stevens.
01:35:31.300 Yeah, I know. Haley Stevens with a very strange cartoon voice, but I still think she probably would have won. Then, you know, Paxton's interesting. You know, the polling is better for Paxton than the vibes are here in Texas. You know, hundreds of millions. 0.76
01:35:46.260 I should tell you, the latest poll, the latest CNN poll has Paxton down by six.
01:35:51.260 Has Tallarico up six over him.
01:35:54.160 Yeah, that's, by the way, all those CNN polls that came out today were catastrophic for Republicans.
01:35:59.620 Incredibly bad.
01:36:00.640 There's been some really bad ones.
01:36:02.020 That's the word.
01:36:02.700 Paxton is a tough candidate because he just, you know, the people of the state aren't in love with him.
01:36:09.000 And, you know, if he does lose that race by six points, not only—
01:36:12.760 And you are of Texas.
01:36:13.840 You're in Texas right now.
01:36:14.860 the audience should keep in mind you know of what you speak keep going yeah and not only will uh and
01:36:18.700 like you know look the people are much more aligned with paxton than they are talarico policy wise and
01:36:24.080 i think there's a really good argument for paxton policy wise like he's done a lot of good things
01:36:27.840 um but you know people have questions about and there's just not a lot of passion you know you've
01:36:32.220 brought up these points over and over again um but to just kind of reinforce this we did a a thing
01:36:36.960 at predictableshow.com called the republican freakout index which was we went through all
01:36:42.560 these underlying sort of uh problems republicans are having in these states and ranked them and it
01:36:48.300 was you know stuff like uh oil gas prices a diesel uh dependency um you know tariff effect on
01:36:55.300 individual states a high level of hispanic voters a high level of young voters a low level of older
01:37:01.080 voters that might be more uh positive for republicans and we said which states does this
01:37:06.380 affect the most in the entire union the number one state on the entire list out of 50 was texas
01:37:11.460 uh that hit was hit hardest by those factors number two was michigan so a really difficult
01:37:17.080 uh group there um the other one i think i said was annie andrews which is i mean that should be
01:37:23.380 first of all it should be against darlene graham in south carolina yeah we shouldn't even be talking
01:37:26.960 about that race i mean this is this is the we're talking about uh you know democratic mega tsunami
01:37:31.960 territory but the problem with this race is you know look darlene graham nordone is uh was appointed
01:37:37.500 to this this uh this seat uh she has not she's not a good candidate she is mostly you know only
01:37:45.060 republicans uh a tie to south carolina gives her hope here she's not a very good candidate
01:37:50.140 her opponent has run a halfway decent race i think this is still on the fringes of that wave
01:37:54.960 if it's that bad we're talking about you know everything kansas uh we're talking about nebraska
01:38:00.600 we're talking about all sorts of races that are on the fringes here uh and have become competitive
01:38:06.300 going to the democrats and who knows probably a couple surprises i mean there's talk about
01:38:11.060 mississippi in that context if we're that far down the road god only knows where we're stopping
01:38:15.460 this wave oh my god i mean now that's don't even say mississippi don't say that mr mississippi
01:38:22.540 should not be making an appearance on a tuesday night as a big story um i would like to tell the
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01:38:49.300 just kind of fun. So I'll put my money where my mouth is, perhaps not just with Kalshi, but with
01:38:55.720 you, Stu. Back to those polls. So yeah, CNN polls today have Tallarico up by six over Paxton. Margin
01:39:03.800 of error is 4.2. So it's kind of, I mean, that goes either way. So it's outside the margin of
01:39:09.640 error, right? But it's whatever. I don't know. Six is a big number. Michigan, they have El Sayed
01:39:14.920 up by seven, seven over Rogers. In Maine, they've got the cousin stupper, Troy Jackson, up four
01:39:22.760 over Collins. Apparently, Mainers don't mind if you have sex with your cousin and reproduce with 1.00
01:39:29.700 them. And not like sixth cousin, second, second cousin. It's very strange. But in any event, 0.99
01:39:36.820 that cousin Stupor is up by four. In Kansas, the Democrat is up four as well. Hamilton,
01:39:44.140 Adam Hamilton over Roger Marshall. There's another poll out of, it's Texas Southern University.
01:39:51.940 They've got Tallarico up in Texas, but only by two. In the same race, they have Governor Abbott,
01:39:57.740 who's a Republican, the incumbent up three over his Democratic challenger. So you're seeing
01:40:03.180 potential ballot splitting, at least in the polling there. They like Governor Abbott and
01:40:08.240 they just do not like Ken Paxton. But it is so hard to imagine Texans putting Tala Frico,
01:40:15.840 as Trump calls him, into the U.S. Senate, Stu. I just, like, I can't believe Texans would do it.
01:40:27.740 It is. That has been my stance, essentially, since the beginning of this.
01:40:32.160 You know, I my thought was we'd come back out of out of the summer and 100, 200 million dollars of ads showing what a weirdo James Tallarico is would hit the airwaves.
01:40:43.800 And the people of Texas would say, OK, look, I don't like the situation we're in, but we're not going to go that direction.
01:40:50.900 We don't want that. I might not love Ken Paxton, but hey, we're going to let's settle this on the right side.
01:40:57.740 make sure that we have sane representation in washington um the polls have not shown that i
01:41:02.540 mean it's moved i would say it's moved with a cnn um poll as as an exception moved a little bit
01:41:08.340 toward uh paxton over the past couple of weeks i think it's tightened a little bit that was my
01:41:13.320 impression too yeah i think that's real um and i think uh there's about a five to seven point gap
01:41:19.380 in almost every single poll between abbott and uh talarico you know as a person who lives in texas
01:41:25.260 You know, having another terrible senator is really bad. Having a terrible governor like Gina Hinojosa is, to me, even worse, because that's going to affect probably my day-to-day life here in the state. 0.82
01:41:35.600 So that stuff is scary, and there's just not a lot of tickets splitting left anymore.
01:41:40.640 What we're seeing—
01:41:41.580 Can I ask you a question, Stu?
01:41:42.580 Um, is this, to what extent do you think this is as a result of COVID and all the people who
01:41:51.220 wanted to move to the free state, you know, some to Florida, some to Texas. And one of the big
01:41:57.380 concerns is that they were going to bring their politics with them. I, that's a worry of mine,
01:42:02.360 that it's, these are not real Texans. They're transplants who, you know, left all the blue 1.00
01:42:07.980 states because their policies sucked and are now turning Texas blue. Well, I will say this 0.99
01:42:13.280 tentatively as a man who was born in New York and moved to Texas. So I'm also a transplant. But I
01:42:19.240 came here because I love the idea of Texas. Right. And I think you're right. There's a lot of the
01:42:22.860 right thing. Yeah. There's a lot of people who did the opposite. Right. They come here from
01:42:26.900 in covid or maybe they did have a problem with their blue state in that short period,
01:42:31.000 but kind of brought a lot of their voting habits here. I do think that's part of it.
01:42:34.640 there's been a move toward the purple in in texas for a very long time this has been and this is why
01:42:40.200 this is the highest profile race this is like the the uh the ultimate for for democrats they are
01:42:46.000 you know in a fever dream here that they might actually win uh texas and a big big part of this
01:42:52.340 though too is just younger voters who are getting really uh into this the the early voting uh numbers
01:42:58.260 are not good for republicans uh as we're in the in that period right now and hispanic voters who
01:43:03.560 have, who moved toward Trump significantly in 2024. In fact, you know, there are major areas
01:43:10.080 where Trump was winning Hispanic voters. That's not something we'd seen in a very long time.
01:43:15.400 A lot of those people have just turned on the Republicans.
01:43:19.280 Their number one issue is the economy.
01:43:20.920 Yeah, their economy. They don't like that. There's some of the, you know, the immigration
01:43:25.620 stuff that they were not happy with as well, at least the way that it was implemented.
01:43:29.720 You know, I've talked to some people here in Texas who say, like, you know, we want a secure border.
01:43:35.540 We didn't love the way some of that stuff was implemented.
01:43:38.100 So you take that into account as well.
01:43:40.080 But at the end of the day, this is a very close race.
01:43:43.700 And the numbers that you're talking about on CalShare, I look at them every single day, you know, are very, very low.
01:43:49.140 I mean, it does appear to be value if you can find the right state.
01:43:52.180 The thing that makes me nervous, though, is this going to be a 2006, a big tsunami, you know, a 19 or 2010.
01:44:01.360 That type of wave could bring all of this in discussion.
01:44:04.360 And we could be looking at maybe even a blue state senator here in Texas and maybe a governor, too.
01:44:10.420 I shudder the thought.
01:44:11.860 Oh, my God.
01:44:12.860 Thank you for that lovely parting thought.
01:44:15.300 It's a wonderful thing to see you, Stu Bergeer.
01:44:18.080 And we will be in contact often.
01:44:20.240 Thank you so much, my friend.
01:44:21.360 thanks to all of you for listening. We will be back tomorrow. See you then.
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