00:13:53.160This is, of course, why he says the media and the police.
00:13:56.620And there was testimony that this one journalist in particular
00:13:59.360was shepherding these other women to the police.
00:14:01.680Not one of the women in the documentary wound up participating in the criminal charges against him.
00:14:07.500These are other women facilitated in part by this one journalist.
00:14:12.200So, yeah, he said that he believes the media and the police publicly invited additional allegations to be made, which has resulted in further encounter encounters, he says, to be invented or reimagined.
00:14:21.180I think reimagined is a good word here.
00:14:23.720I'm not saying these women all did that, but I do think it happens where women have consensual encounters with men that they feel dirty about after the fact, and they, quote, reimagine it into something non-consensual, which conveniently totally exonerates them and their virtue while demonizing the man.
00:14:43.300And who cares if you can't stand him, if he's politically controversial, if you think he must be a bad man anyway, if you since have learned he was incredibly promiscuous and kind of a dirtbag toward women in the way that, you know, as soon as he was done with them, he'd shepherd them out the door.
00:35:50.220So that's not great for Russell because we do have a woman who says she does recall.
00:35:55.060complainant too says she remembers the whole thing and she testified to it in detail and
00:36:00.520you know that's that's not great for him because they're going to be left with complainant twos
00:36:06.060direct testimony um which is reiterated here in thought six by the bbc podcast watch listen
00:36:16.020complainant number two said i like your t-shirt i want one to which he responded you can have it
00:36:21.160And they told the jury that they said, you've got to give it a good wash first or words to that effect.
00:36:26.860They then said that Russell Brand asked them where the toilet was in the office and they were happy to show him where it was.
00:36:30.980They walked him down the corridor, but then, quote, his demeanor changed.
00:36:35.280He grabbed my forearm and was trying to pull me into the bathroom.
00:36:39.000Complainants who said that he was pleading with her, saying, come on, come on, trying to drag her into the bathroom.
00:36:44.540When questioned by prosecutors, how hard was Russell Brand pulling you?
00:36:47.600complainants who said it was hard it wasn't a gentle pull but i'm a strong sporty woman i'm
00:36:53.140stronger than the average woman i was trying to quote wrench myself back into the corridor
00:36:57.540the prosecution asked complainants who how were you responding to mr brand when he was saying
00:37:01.860come on come on and trying to pull you into the bathroom and complainants who told the jury that
00:37:05.740they said quote what are you doing are you mad let me go they also said repeatedly that they0.73
00:37:10.480were trying to wrench themselves free from his grip and that he looked like a wild-eyed maniac
00:37:14.920So unfortunately for Russell, that's the detailed testimony on the other side. And then there's him saying he doesn't remember, but it doesn't sound like him. It is what it is. It's a attempted, attempted indecent assault. So the penalties for that would be far less than what we're dealing with on the others.
00:37:36.200Let's get to complainant three. She is the one who alleged that she, um, she met her at a party in a bar in 2004. She says after a minute of conversation, he suddenly groped her breasts and then quote, dragged her into a bathroom stall, locked the door, stood on the toilet seat and forced her to give him oral sex.
00:37:58.020Brand testified that he had recently visited that bathroom to jog his memory of the event.0.79
00:38:04.100We've seen a picture of the bathroom, a photo of it, so we all can see it now.
00:38:09.740And he said seeing that bathroom jogged his memory of the event, he told the court that
00:38:14.460he was told, quote, this bird here really wants to meet you, mate, when he got to the
00:42:45.760I mean, this is good. That actually helps Russell's credibility with this jury.
00:42:48.840Asked if that made her more vulnerable, Brand responded, I agree alcohol makes people less effective.
00:42:53.580When the judge, Mr. Justice Benathan, or I don't know how you pronounce his last name, interjected to ask him to clarify, Brand said, effective human beings, it is a deleterious substance.
00:43:08.940The prosecutor asked, what were you inviting her into the toilet for?
00:43:12.520For fooling around, making out, he said.
00:43:15.060Asked why he did not fool around in the bar.
00:43:17.620Instead, Brand said, because it's better to do these things in private.
00:45:10.380So this allegedly happened at a radio station
00:45:13.580many, many moons ago, back in 2004 or 2005, when the woman was in her 20s.
00:45:20.580Let me give you a feel for how she was cross-examined.
00:45:24.340Again, described by the BBC in SOT 14.
00:45:28.440But the defense was offering, how do you even know it was Russell Brand?
00:45:31.340You didn't check with anybody, who is it?
00:45:33.180You didn't say to somebody, this has just happened to me, who can corroborate your account?
00:45:37.380And complaint number four said, I knew who it was because I watched him on Big Brother.
00:45:40.020They said, I watched him. I knew who it was immediately when it happened.
00:45:43.880I'm absolutely sure that it was Russell Brand.
00:45:46.140The defense continued saying, in one statement, you said that there were three men there and one woman.
00:45:50.340In another statement, you said there were four men there and one woman.
00:45:53.320And Complainant 4 said, I can't exactly remember when I gave the account saying there were four men there.
00:45:57.880I remember there being three men and one woman.
00:45:59.680And the defense said, well, then that's corroborating witnesses.
00:46:02.460That's people who would have come forward and backed up what you had to say.
00:46:05.420In fact, wasn't one of them a member of staff at the place where you worked?
00:46:08.400And this is where Complainant 4 really did get quite emotional. They were crying and having difficulty catching their breath, saying, this man was mauling me and no one did anything. I looked at the woman. I was pleading with her, hoping she'd step in, but she didn't.
00:46:22.300and the defense is using the fact that there were witnesses none of whom intervened in this public
00:46:30.000encounter to make the point that how bad could this have been like was that you really want us
00:46:34.820to believe that you were in the midst of a sexual assault and you had all these eyewitnesses and
00:46:38.460nobody fluttered an eyelid like that that's not plausible and the witness got upset saying it is
00:46:45.320plausible it did happen and the fact that they didn't intervene upset me here is the defense
00:46:50.020questioning Brand about woman four. Uh, okay. He asked the defendant, in your view, jumping on a
00:46:57.420woman and sloppily kissing her, does that turn you on sexually? No, replied Brand. The defense asked,
00:47:03.440is that likely to lead to any sexual intercourse with a woman? No, said Brand. Winter then asked,
00:47:08.720did you do what she said you did? To which Brand replied, no. The cross-examination by the
00:47:15.640prosecution on that went as follows. These are just highlights. I'm not giving you the whole
00:47:19.580thing because we haven't, this all just happened hours ago. So we're doing our best to pull
00:47:23.660together how it went for you. Reserve my right to update these descriptions as the week goes on
00:47:29.300and we get a better handle. Carmi Jones asked him, you don't remember complaint at four at all?
00:47:34.680Brand said he did not. The prosecutor added, are you being selective with your memory?
00:47:39.360Brand said he was doing his best to cooperate, to try to remember what happened in the period
00:47:43.540being discussed. Carmi Jones said, it wouldn't have troubled you to engage with a woman in the
00:47:48.060workplace to engage in sexual activity. Brand replied, in private. So he's admitting he would
00:47:53.680have, but contesting this woman's allegation, which was that it was in public. Okay, moving on
00:48:01.860to complainant five, and this is the most disturbing case out of all of them because it is
00:48:08.500very graphic and the details are very X-rated and have had me saying words on the air. I never
00:48:13.960thought I would, like yesterday. Complainant five, this is a complex one, agreed she was
00:48:22.980obsessed with Russell Brand. She idolized him. She had the hots for him. She went to see him
00:48:29.400perform at a show and went backstage immediately after, got called back and went with another woman1.00
00:48:36.000and immediately a threesome began. The first thing she did was engage in a sex act on Russell1.00
00:48:43.420Brand and here is, here is, okay. Okay. So then, well, let me go sequentially. That's how they0.98
00:48:53.200met. She performed a sex act on him backstage. Another friend gave him a blow job and she was0.99
00:48:58.700in the back door doing things back there. The next time they got together, she came over to0.98
00:49:05.700Russell Brand's house by his invitation and she showed up and she knew that they'd be having sex0.99
00:49:09.480and she agrees she willingly had vaginal sex with him.0.99
00:55:32.520He told the court he invited her to his flat where they had consensual sex.
00:55:36.860When asked by Winter, his lawyer, whether he had used a condom, Brand said he did.
00:55:41.240Recall Complain of Five claims that he did not while he was performing the objectionable act.
00:55:48.600He said he generally used condoms in first sexual encounters, particularly and especially if the partner wants that.0.97
00:55:55.320Winter asked Brand whether they moved on to anal sex.0.65
00:55:57.980Brand told the court that they did and that the woman said it was her first time.0.92
00:56:02.380Winter asked Brand whether the woman expressed any reluctance, to which Brand replied, coyness, one might say.
00:56:10.260Winter continued, did you say anything about seeking to persuade her?
00:56:14.140Brand replied that he did, telling the court he said, quote, something along the lines of, you'll love it.
00:56:20.060Brand told the court that the woman consented to continuing sex without a condom, so he is admitting that he took the condom off.
00:56:28.200Brand said the woman had not said no or told him to stop as they were having sex.
00:56:33.380She testified that she did so repeatedly.
00:56:35.580And once she came forward with this allegation, which was, again, after the documentary and not before, she told everybody she talked to about it that she had said no.
00:56:44.780But that, again, was only a recent story brought forth by the documentary.
00:56:49.400But since she started telling the story, she has been saying that she said no during the middle of that act.
00:57:09.180Now the prosecution gets up and asks him, okay, oh, because Brand had testified it was a marvelous night when he had this threesome with complainant number five and another woman backstage at Hammersmith Apollo in 2009.
00:57:24.640By the way, we did go back. The male who testified that Bran wanted to get out of Dodge the next morning quickly, that was indeed in response to complainant one, the woman who invited him back to her hotel room after midnight.
00:57:37.580He did testify that it was after that interlude, which was a cabaret performed by this man and by Russell on the night of a labor party.
00:57:46.940So the cabaret was what was throwing me off, but I guess it was a combined event where labor had
00:57:51.740some event and then these guys performed. So in any event, there you have it. It was after
00:57:56.940complaint one that a man testified he, Russell, the next day seemed to want to get at a dodge,
00:58:03.000which is why Russell's lawyer was pressing like, you gave her your email. You said you wanted her
00:58:08.160to meet your mom. Were you in any hurry to leave? No, no, I wasn't. Okay. So back to complaint
00:58:12.660at five. Brand had said it was a marvelous night when he had that threesome. One of the women
00:58:17.320accused him, okay, the anal rape, yes. Carmi Jones put it to Russell Brand that this was an example0.98
00:58:22.880of Brand never leaving without a conquest because the woman had refused to have full sex with him0.99
00:58:29.000backstage. Brand replied, that actually went down as quite a marvelous night by the criteria
00:58:35.000of the time. I mean, you've got one strange woman in the front, one strange woman in the back. I'm
00:58:41.840not sure any man would be demanding a whole lot more in the field of sexual encounters for the
00:58:48.060evening. Brand denied that he was cruel when he allegedly asked woman five to brush her teeth
00:58:53.840before having sex with her. Do you recall this? Witness five, complainant five claimed that when
00:58:59.300she got there to his house, she, she wanted him to take a shower. She, or he wanted her to take
00:59:07.040a shower. He wanted her to brush her teeth. She didn't like that. She felt like this was
00:59:12.720somehow demeaning to her and she didn't know what he was implying. So the prosecution brought it up.
00:59:21.840Was it cruel when you told her to brush her teeth? Russell responds, and by the way,
00:59:26.880this first line is entirely true. Quote, cruel means deliberate malicious intention
00:59:32.040to harm. I completely agree with that. It's like, I've told you this before, but0.66
00:59:38.020when I was going through my separation from my first husband, I was using my therapist,
00:59:44.220and I love this lady. She was so wonderful, my lady, Amy. And she was like, well, have you told
00:59:48.800him that you think this thing or that you think that thing at the time? And I was like, that's
00:59:53.260mean. I'm not going to say that to him. That's mean. And she said, meanness is saying something
00:59:59.520with the intention to hurt the other person. Saying something that the person might not like
01:00:04.740to hear, but that is true. And you're saying it for a purpose other than to hurt. That's not
01:00:11.240meanness. That's honest communication that could actually advance your relationship and your
01:00:15.660connection. And so I mean, like no one had ever framed it to me like that before. And it was
01:00:20.320actually really true. And so, you know, it's like meanness is when you're trying to hurt.
01:00:27.660if you just have commentary, whether it's to a partner, a friend, a coworker, or you and me
01:00:37.040sitting here while I do this show, that's unflattering or not complimentary. It's not
01:00:44.840mean if it's true and it's intended for the purpose of whatever, advancing your relationship
01:00:52.660with the person, making the person perform better, doing social commentary, what have you. This is
01:00:58.560actually a very true statement. Cruel means deliberate malicious intention to harm. And then
01:01:02.820he goes on to say, I agree that it was not kind, he told the court, addressing his alleged request
01:01:08.480for her to brush her teeth. Riel Carmi Jones, the prosecutor, suggested asking her to brush her
01:01:13.560teeth was a ploy to put her in a place of subservience. Okay, I don't, why is she going
01:01:21.480here. Like, what is this? I would think that the anal rape would be the highlight and not the
01:01:26.920teeth brushing. Brand said that, alleged, Brand said that if he did ask someone to brush their0.90
01:01:32.800teeth, it would have simply been for them to, quote, refresh their breath. The whole action
01:01:37.960was rough and violent and just about your pleasure, wasn't it? Asked the prosecutor.
01:01:43.380Brand, it potentially was about my pleasure, but it was not rough or violent. Denied that
01:01:49.520complainant five was, quote, begging him to stop, acknowledged that he took off a condom during sex
01:01:54.760but said the woman had agreed to it. I mean, that's helpful to his credibility because he
01:01:59.420didn't have to admit to that. It's, you know, her word versus his. So he said, she said,
01:02:05.480but he's giving her that point that he did take it off. The prosecutor asked Brand why he did not
01:02:10.880reach out to woman five when she told him that he had treated her. Oh, because after the fact,
01:02:15.200they had a text exchange in which he said he wanted to see her because he wanted to do more
01:02:21.660to her. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like, I want to push you further.
01:02:28.160And she said, you pushed me plenty far enough. You treated me like an animal. And she said that
01:02:33.740he then replied, sorry, no one has seen that text exchange. It comes from the woman's memory only.
01:02:40.440So now he's getting asked about it, saying, why didn't you reach out to woman five when she
01:02:47.500texted you that you had treated her like an animal? Brand said he would now, but did not
01:02:54.040at the time. He said he apologized in a text, so he's admitting that, adding, if someone is upset
01:03:00.560and feels they have been treated badly, I do and would apologize. So again, it's not actually an
01:03:05.940admission that he did that exact one. It's that that would be my general practice. When asked if
01:03:10.280the woman was, quote, just another conquest in his goal to sleep with 5,000 women, which Brand had
01:03:15.220denied saying, but a friend testified he had said that, Brand replied, I really don't know the
01:03:22.200number, but it's difficult to dispute that that is how I conducted myself in the pursuit of willing
01:03:27.500sexual partners. Then there was, last but not least, a complainant six. This involved a woman
01:03:36.920who said she met Brand while working on a project for Channel 4 in 2009. This is the woman who said
01:03:43.940she was told to give him a massage by somebody else on his shoulders and that he put his head0.99
01:03:49.720around her groin area, and she didn't much appreciate that. And this is how his lawyer
01:03:59.840questioned him. Let's see. Winter said, are you guilty or innocent of these allegations?
01:04:11.020And Brand said, I'm innocent. And there's nothing that I have in front of me that speaks to how
01:04:16.120the prosecution crossed him. That was the direct exam question by his lawyer. Are you guilty,
01:04:23.200you're innocent? I'm innocent. And it looks like either there was no cross on this specific witness
01:04:29.560or it just didn't make the press yet or it didn't make its way in front of me, so I don't have any
01:04:33.840other information to you. So there is one other detail that you should know about Complaintant
01:04:42.780five, the one with the backdoor complaint. Russell testified today that after their
01:04:50.960alleged encounter, he believes they sat and watched TV together, which is diametrically
01:04:59.600opposed from her testimony that he got up, he was like, look what you did, because there was
01:05:05.660a mess all over the bed, ordered her to clean it up and left. His testimony was, no, they actually
01:05:11.500hung out and may have watched TV together, which is not exactly the behavior of someone who has
01:05:16.920just committed a rape. So it'll be up to the jury to decide whose version they believe.
01:05:25.100Court has ended for the day and will resume tomorrow as the defense will continue its case.
01:05:30.640It looks like Russell's testimony is done, we believe. Perhaps I'm wrong and they'll pick up
01:05:36.340with a bit more redirect or overnight they'll think of another thing they needed to raise
01:05:40.420uncrossed, but we believe his testimony is done and that the defense will continue with its case.
01:05:45.920And this case will probably go to the jury rather, rather soon, as opposed to being an eight to nine
01:05:52.580week trial, as the prosecution had initially said. Oh, my team finding just a bit more on
01:05:56.820complainant six and what happened. Um, okay, let's see. Uh, upon cross-examination by the prosecution,
01:06:34.680was, quote, petulant and childish, saying it doesn't sound like good behavior.
01:06:39.680Asked if he remembers asking for a massage via his two male colleagues,
01:06:43.680Brand says he does not, adding, quote, it doesn't really make sense.
01:06:46.580He tells the jury he, quote, can't see what benefit would be derived
01:06:50.600from putting his head in the woman's lap.
01:06:53.380Asked by the prosecutor if he had found it funny, Brand responds,
01:06:56.980I don't remember. I don't think it's funny now.
01:06:59.360He tells the court he did not sexually assault the woman.
01:07:01.700Okay, so that's, in sum and substance, the end of the back and forth.
01:07:05.680Russell held his own, was not pushed into, you know, too many damning admissions, gave
01:07:10.520enough to look like, in part at least, a truth teller, did not wear the condom during that
01:07:15.980one act, did behave badly around women, you know, I'm not proud of what I did, did like0.78
01:07:21.300having sex in bathrooms, all that, found the backdoor action I got backstage with Complainant0.99
01:07:27.920five, extremely exciting, did program her in as a TART and an anal participant. I mean,1.00
01:07:36.420those are not great admissions for him, but in a way they help him because it makes him look like
01:07:40.160he's a truth teller and is drawing the line at accusations of non-consent. But the women0.72
01:07:48.020had free reign in that courtroom and have spent the past three weeks painting him as a crazy1.00
01:07:53.500rapist who was, as I said last Thursday, running around like a male dog around a bunch of female1.00
01:08:01.240dogs in heat. You know, like he couldn't get enough, couldn't hear the word no. Within moments0.95
01:08:07.280of meeting you would whip it out and try to have sex with you. You know, like almost like it's just0.99
01:08:11.440dangerous to be around this guy. He's trying to grab women and drag them into bathrooms. He's
01:08:15.720filling them up at bars. He doesn't care if there are witnesses. He doesn't care if they say no.
01:08:19.780This is the prosecution's case. He was on some conquest to bang 5,000 women within a certain time. He talked about sex ad nauseum in his comedy routines in very vile and vulgar terms, not just in his comedy routines, when he gave interviews and, you know, in his personal life, his personal assistant talking about how he loved to be naked all the time.0.79
01:08:40.420he was asking me, can I have sex again soon? You know, obsessed. And Russell has painted that0.95
01:08:46.380picture of himself in his own book and in part on the stand. The line he has been drawing is
01:08:52.040never without consent. And also to me, he made the point, you know, to be honest, I didn't need
01:08:59.000to do it with women who weren't consenting. I had thousands of women who did want to consent.
01:09:05.400like that was not a problem for me. I had lots of women throwing themselves at me and I did not0.97
01:09:11.160need to force anybody to do anything. And some of these women, you know, were obsessed with Russell,
01:09:17.160like complain at five. And there is at least a plausible case to be made that she did these
01:09:22.340things she felt gross about after the fact because it was Russell Brand and she was excited and she
01:09:26.080didn't want to reject him and she didn't want to look like a spoil sport. And the jury will get to
01:09:32.260make the decision about whether that's true. Okay. Let's keep going. I'm going to bring Mark
01:09:36.800in in one minute, but I just want to spend a minute on something else that's in the news.
01:09:41.600Okay. And it has to do with Jennifer Lawrence, the amazing Hollywood actress who of course is
01:09:49.860best known for, um, is it silver bullet playbook? Why am I not remembering the name of that? But
01:09:55.300she's best known for the hunger, hunger games, silver, silver linings playbook, um, with Bradley
01:09:59.680Cooper and The Hunger Games is how most people best know her. She's incredible. She's extremely
01:10:06.160talented. She's very likable. If you see her in interviews, she's just completely charming.
01:10:10.880And she is stunning, stunning. Well, she's on the cover of New York Magazine right now.
01:10:17.520And the headline that is everywhere is she gets real about wanting plastic surgery0.99
01:11:07.840She appears to have had this procedure at 36, which is very young for something like that.
01:11:14.380But the important point here is we have a Jennifer Grey situation where a very famous actress has done something so dramatic to her looks, clearly via a cosmetic surgeon, though she's not copying to that surgery in this interview, that she is now no longer recognizable.
01:11:34.640Here's Jennifer Grey of Dirty Dancing and Ferris Bueller's Day Off, et cetera.
01:11:39.260When she got that nose job, you could not tell it was Jennifer Grey.0.94
01:11:42.960She had, if she wanted to go into the witness protection program, they could not have done a better job of hiding her identity.
01:11:49.720And now one of the most famous, beautiful, stunning, talented actresses in Hollywood has done it again, very clearly.
01:12:00.220Again, this is not one that she's admitted to.
01:12:02.700Again, she's reportedly admitted to a boob job and to, quote, baby Botox.
01:12:07.600She told Vogue that last September, saying, I can't really get very much done.
01:12:11.600I need to have movement in my face so I get baby Botox, but I can't do a lot.
01:12:16.260She listed her reliance on facials, explaining if my skin is going to be a little saggier
01:12:20.500than I'd like, at least it looks dewy and pretty.
01:12:22.920She also gave an interview to Vogue in which she denied, is it buckle, fat removal?
01:13:30.280And it reminds me of what Renee Zellweger did to her eyes.0.89
01:13:35.600She was another one, just like Jennifer Lawrence, who was kind of famous for her hooded eyes, and she became super well-known for having them, and then she clearly got the eyelids done.
01:14:05.600There's pretty good word on the street. She had to go to another plastic surgeon to add fat back into her eyelids to correct another surgeon's overcorrection, which is why Renee Zellweger again looks like Renee Zellweger and Jennifer Lawrence.0.84
01:14:25.380I am begging you to do the same thing. Why is, like, with a surgical invention always considered
01:14:36.200better than without a surgical intervention? I realize it's individual choice, and I don't judge
01:14:41.580any woman who wants to do something to her face. That's the beauty of modern cosmetic surgery.
01:14:47.160But less is more, my friends. Less is more. Tweaks, like she said in that interview,
01:14:54.180not massive changes that will set tongues wagging from coast to coast.
01:15:01.040It's kind of like what's happening with the GLP-1s right now.
01:15:05.720You know, very clearly, in my view, the Kardashians, like Kim, are using GLP-1s.
01:15:12.040But I've got to say, Kim Kardashian looks amazing.
01:15:14.820She's always been the prettiest Kardashian.0.71
01:18:51.260Imagine a day of me being on camera that that doesn't go through my mind.
01:18:55.620You now, like, will never film when you're on your period.
01:18:58.240You're like, I'm so scarred. Don't put me on camera.
01:19:01.020Yeah. OK, so, I mean, that is very telling that the mother would make such a cutting comment to her own child who's starring in The Hunger Games and crushing it.
01:19:10.520I mean, like what mother would say anything other than, oh, my God, you're incredible, honey.
01:19:15.520I'm in awe of your talent and how stunning you looked in every scene, which is true.
01:19:20.220um like look it's just my own theory that that's where the insecurity starts and continues not
01:19:29.300withstanding the fact that you're now an oscar winner you you could star in any film of your
01:19:34.580choice you are absolutely still the toast of the town i don't know why you'd make such a drastic0.98
01:19:41.340decision like this please please fix it and speaking of the disgusting sex podcaster um
01:19:48.900Um, she put out a promo for this interview with Jennifer Lawrence, which is just downright bizarre and seems to be addressing her critics who absolutely include yours truly.
01:20:01.840But by no means is it limited to me, who have been ripping on her disgusting, filthy, evil messages to the young women of America, encouraging them to give it up anally on the first date, encouraging them, saying she's proud of the people who have had threesomes, talking about some young woman who is taking two D's in the V or possibly in the V and the A at the same time.
01:20:27.260like this is something to celebrate and this is a great story she wants to share with everyone0.52
01:20:31.740this is her messaging this is her imprint on american young women and now i guess0.95
01:20:39.200she's going to clean it up with the following comment in her promo i was a big slut but i'm0.98
01:20:45.820not anymore there's always going to be a part of me that's sloppy and dirty but i like that0.99
01:20:50.860with all the other parts of myself can you say the same about yourself fucker can you forgive0.99
01:20:56.160are you any good at that okay should we start the interview okay so it's a silver linings playbook0.98
01:21:05.620reference and she also is clearly using it to try to rehabilitate herself and it's a fail
01:21:12.380because while it's true that this woman now is married with a new baby and hopefully is not
01:21:20.380still whoring around as she spent her entire young adulthood doing. She's in her 30s. This is not0.97
01:21:27.220somebody who's 20. What about all the women she has coaxed and cajoled and encouraged into those
01:21:36.580very self-harming behaviors? What about them, Alex? Proud of that? How do you get that back?
01:24:32.100we've got some shock new polls from the new york times in key senate races uh first of all the
01:24:42.920democrat annie andrews is now tied with the republican darlene graham in south carolina
01:24:48.540that's not great and there's news in minnesota too where republicans had really been hoping that0.98
01:24:55.340michelle tafoya the well-liked former sports journalist could potentially beat the loon0.99
01:25:00.800who's currently the lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan, in the race to take over the Senate1.00
01:25:06.020seat there. But this New York Times poll, and even they are admitting it's probably an outliner,
01:25:13.560outlier is showing Flanagan up by 14 points over Tafoya. I call bullshit on that one.0.99
01:25:22.140Joining me now is Mark Halperin. He is the host of Next Up with Mark Halperin on the MK Media0.99
01:25:26.420podcast network. Go and subscribe to NextUp right now so that you sound smarter than you are on all
01:25:32.280things politics. You can check out on YouTube as well. Mark, welcome back. So Darlene Graham,
01:25:39.360South Carolina is now tied. Is that real? I think it is based on the fact that I've talked to
01:25:45.460Republicans for a long time. I had Andy Andrews, the Democrat, on my show on NextUp a few months
01:25:49.900ago, and I've been tracking it closely. And it's a strange confluence besides the overall negative
01:25:55.300environment for republicans um senator graham is not a strong candidate and annie andrews is
01:26:02.300and she's run a very strong race the governor's race there is also close with a black democratic
01:26:07.320nominee there and that's going to help with turnout um so i i do i still wouldn't go to
01:26:12.520ladbrooks and put it all down on the democrat but i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she won
01:26:16.740Oh, my Lord. I mean, if she loses, that one for sure is going to be blamed on Trump because the
01:26:26.380only reason Darlene Graham is the senator from South Carolina is because her brother died.
01:26:30.340Trump put her, got her put into his seat and then said she's going to have to be the candidate. We0.99
01:26:35.940want her to be the candidate to actually run. A lot of people said, OK, she can finish out1.00
01:26:39.560Lindsay's term. You know, we can live with that as the sister, the sudden death. But like to0.94
01:26:43.500actually make her the candidate was always risky it happened because trump made it happen yeah
01:26:48.100unambiguously you know the president will probably be blamed for some other stuff that aren't is
01:26:52.180necessarily his fault this one's his fault and uh it you know no one should be surprised
01:26:58.620you know she had that iconic moment in the debate where she said she didn't really know
01:27:03.400much about foreign policy and national security it's not her thing it's not her thing do i look
01:27:08.040too skeletal. You look good. And you look good. Very good. Don't change a thing. I don't want to
01:27:14.680don't want to get too skeletal on you because I know you don't like that. I'm not going to pull
01:27:17.660a Trump and start talking about your rear end or my iron shoulders. You know, she's not running1.00
01:27:24.400good campaign. She's barely raised any money. She's done to do a lot of campaigning of campaigning.1.00
01:27:29.780She's only agreed to one debate. And there's all sorts of reasons. The confluence of factors. Again,
01:27:35.680she's a weak candidate and andrews is a strong candidate the democrats are having a moment and0.70
01:27:40.140um and the black vote you know it just it's just an iron law of southern politics if the democrats
01:27:45.720can find a way to swell the turnout from black voters and make it five percent more of the
01:27:50.020overall turnout it they go from having no chance to win to having almost no chance to lose1.00
01:27:54.660and um she may be doing that again in conjunction with the gubernatorial nominee
01:27:58.800good gracious um i want to tell you this annie andrews the democrat currently showing a 26
01:28:05.280chance to win on the prediction market, Calci. Darlene Graham's at 74%. That's double
01:28:11.660from the beginning of the month for Andrews when traders had her at just 12%, or sorry, 13%. So
01:28:17.980she's doing better on the Calci market, but they haven't factored in this latest poll.
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01:28:37.680up but that that market probably doesn't reflect it well the biggest the biggest tell beyond the
01:28:43.180poll is the president's going to south carolina again he was just there and he's going again
01:28:47.800tomorrow to campaign for her he wouldn't be doing that if they didn't see a serious problem
01:28:52.880most the south carolina race begins a lot a lot of a lot of these races texas iowa ohio um they
01:29:00.240say in the end, Republicans say, look, we're even or we're a little bit behind, but that's good
01:29:05.380enough. The president's going to cause a surge of MAGA voting and the Democrats just aren't going
01:29:10.660to win these races because of the political physics here and the laws of political gravity.
01:29:15.020We'll see. He wouldn't be going again if they didn't think she could lose.
01:29:19.380Yeah, clearly they've got internal polls which are showing them there's trouble because the
01:29:23.340president does not waste time in the lead up to the actual election day the week before going
01:29:28.160down to South Carolina, uh, which is redder than red. If he doesn't have to, um, what do you make
01:29:34.800of that? So, I mean, we should not be losing on team red or rational South Carolina, but let's go
01:29:41.780to, uh, Minnesota where that was an exciting possible seat for Republicans because that's
01:29:50.320a blue state, but Michelle Tafoya is so charming and likable and has run such a smart race.0.96
01:29:55.600She actually has been showing up in some of the polls over the loon Peggy Flanagan, who begins every appearance with a land acknowledgement.
01:30:04.420But 14 points, I know they say, and Nate Cohn said, the New York Times guy, Minnesota is notoriously very hard to poll, very hard to poll.
01:30:13.060So like even he's saying pump the brakes in caution.
01:30:16.040But that poll has the feeling of the Ann Seltzer poll of the Des Moines Register prior to 2024.
01:30:21.580Well, it's not 10, 14 points. And again, this is the inverse of South Carolina, where the
01:30:26.820candidate quality advantage goes decisively to the Republicans. Michelle Tafoya is a great0.97
01:30:32.340candidate. She's won a great race. Peggy Flannan, not a great candidate, not run a great race.
01:30:37.200But the governor's race there with Senator Klobuchar at the top of the ticket is not great
01:30:42.920for Tafoya, the fact that it's a big Democratic year. She is very smartly, just like Mike Rogers
01:30:48.160next door in Michigan. These are Republicans who are saying, hey, people don't like incumbents.
01:30:53.020People don't like corruption. Let's run against, you know, the state Democrats rather than running
01:30:58.280against, obviously, Donald Trump. So she's certainly going to do herself a lot of good
01:31:04.840in terms of showing people how to run in a blue state as a Republican. But her chances have always
01:31:10.200been long simply because of the nature of the state. But I don't think she's down 14, but I
01:31:15.880I think she's down more than outside the margin of error at this point, because as the race closes, Democrats are coming out.
01:31:23.080Every other day, we get an update in the Michigan Senate race between El-Sayed and Mike Rogers.
01:31:30.620Here's my like I haven't been tracking it that closely, Mark.
01:31:33.340I know that the Republicans are doing what they would do to any candidate with El-Sayed's family ties, which is basically try to make him a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
01:31:41.500And he did write a letter in support of someone in the Muslim Brotherhood who was the president of Egypt.
01:31:50.460They're not completely making this up.
01:31:52.080But unlike every other time, like back in my days at Fox, this would have worked like a charm.0.90
01:31:56.660When we were closer to 9-11, people were very wary of, you know, anybody with ties to what looked like radical Muslims.0.96
01:32:04.260And it's not working this time, or at least it's not working the way they hoped it would.
01:32:10.300And I think it's for two reasons. You tell me what you think. Mike Rogers is a dud. He seems like a nice guy, but he's a dud. There's no charisma. And secondly, the Israel thing is huge right now in all of these midterms. It's like the 800 pound gorilla because you look at how independents feel about Israel and our closeness with it.
01:32:30.600They blame Israel for getting us into the Iran war, which nobody supports anymore.
01:32:33.980And the gas prices are high and they're looking to make somebody pay for those decisions.
01:32:38.520And those people are named Republicans.0.63
01:32:41.360So I think it's that is why they're having such a difficult time driving El-Sayed's
01:33:23.760So I don't think Mike Rogers is necessarily the problem.
01:33:26.540But I think you are right. They haven't knocked him out. You know, if you go back four months ago, the Republican playbook was Nike knockout Tallarico, knockout LCA, knockout Flanagan, knockout Andrews in South Carolina, take their liberal positions, some of which they've they've run away from and knock them out.
01:33:43.820they may not win but they have the democrats may not win but they haven't knocked him out
01:33:48.420you're right this guy has not been knocked out but he is not closed the deal either he's not
01:33:53.140closed the sale so i don't know who's going to win michigan or texas i sort of took a vow
01:33:57.200four days ago after looking a lot of data i don't think you can tell who's going to win either of
01:34:01.740those races there's just too much weird stuff but that guy needs more black vote than he's getting
01:34:07.280he needs more young independent vote that he's getting he needs more jewish vote than he's
01:34:11.240getting. He needs more working class vote than he's getting just mathematically to get to a0.97
01:34:15.520majority. So he's probably the favorite given just the climate. But I wouldn't be surprised if he'd1.00
01:34:21.720lost it because Mike Rogers is in the game right now and his folks feel confident because he did
01:34:26.440run two years ago that he can he can win it on the ground with turnout if it's if it's within
01:34:31.080the margin of error. If Mike Rogers loses, I don't want to see him ever again. I think I think
01:34:36.980I think you'll get I think you'll get your way. He had his chance twice.
01:34:41.000And El-Sayed, like he couldn't stop either one of them. I mean, she's awful. She's the one who's0.96
01:34:46.560out there threatening criminal charges for people who want to go work for Trump to try to discourage
01:34:50.660people in their late teens from taking a job in Republican politics, even though she says,
01:34:54.980oh, I have Trump voters who voted for me. I want to, you know, govern across the aisle. Oh,
01:34:59.300F off. It was a lie. And then there's El-Sayed with all the Muslim Brotherhood stuff. So,0.86
01:35:03.360I'll just say one other thing real quickly about the Israel point you made.
01:35:07.820This guy said in the debate two weeks ago that he couldn't answer a quote-unquote hypothetical question about whether Israel or Iran was a bigger threat to the United States.
01:35:17.960And he'd paid no apparent political price for that.
01:35:21.600That shows you the power of the issue.
01:35:23.780It shows you that a lot of the critiques of him as well, he couldn't possibly win given his positions on Israel.
01:35:31.000No, the establishments of both parties still don't get that.
01:35:35.140That may not be a position they like, but it's not disqualifying.
01:35:38.680And in some ways, it's a positive with some voters.
01:35:41.580No, El Sayed is going to win because of his position on Israel.0.84
01:36:20.540I think he is getting praised and propped up for answering it that way.0.71
01:36:26.660Let's talk about Alaska and the dirty tricks that just came out in The New York Times, which, as we were on the air first hour, it hit that they have indeed uncovered the fact that, you know, because in this race, so the listening audience knows, there's Mary Peltola.
01:36:42.900She's the Alaska Democrat running for this seat, and she's up against Dan Sullivan, the sitting GOP senator.
01:36:49.000But the Democrats, we knew it was like generally the Democrats found another Dan Sullivan to get him on the ballot to split the Republicans vote and confuse voters.
01:36:59.460And now the New York Times just breaking the news that indeed it was a staffer for Mary Peltola who received unusual instructions from top campaign aides.
01:37:12.400Find as many people named Dan Sullivan in Alaska as you can.
01:37:17.320The staffer complied, combing through voter records to produce a list of Dan Sullivans from across the state.
01:37:22.760And they found a Dan Sullivan, like in some fishing village along the Alaska panhandle, reachable only by Aaron C., who announced his candidacy for Senate.
01:37:35.380He is Dan J. Sullivan, unlike Dan S. Sullivan, as in sitting senator.
01:37:42.280Dan S. Sullivan is the one Republicans, if they want to vote GOP, should vote for.
01:37:46.440so what do you make of the new york times breaking this dirty trick in detail it's great reporting
01:37:51.520it's brilliantly written and you have to say if you're someone who believes the new york times
01:37:54.560will never do anything to hurt democrats they did here i i may be wrong about this but i think it
01:37:59.840could it could decide the race it's such a dirty trick and to the new york times and to the public
01:38:05.320almost everyone involved who they reached lied about it and we know they lied because they've
01:38:10.360got the text messages that illustrate the conspiracy and their main source was a see
01:38:15.580the top person in the campaign who left the campaign, they're trying to claim she's disgruntled,
01:38:20.120but the texts aren't disgruntled. The text messages tell the tale. And, you know, I don't
01:38:25.740know that there's a crime that was committed here, although there's speculation about that already on
01:38:29.940X. But I think there's no doubt that she's either gonna have to say, all my top aides were engaged
01:38:34.540in a conspiracy central to our election strategy, and they never told me about it, or she knew about
01:38:40.800it. And I really do think unless the Alaska local press just covers it up and doesn't it doesn't
01:38:45.860ask about it, I really do think it could take a race that was close and and and get them solving
01:38:50.640reelected because they did something that's cool. I'll say at a minimum, dirty pool. Would you say
01:38:57.280dirty? I would say dirty pool, but at a minimum. But they lied about it. And and, you know, lying
01:39:02.540about it, just I don't think it's going to sit well with the voters there who will say this goes
01:39:07.180beyond just the kind of normal lying that people in politics do. I agree. This is despicable what
01:39:13.580they've done up there. This is like trying to confuse elderly Alaskan voters into pulling
01:39:18.940the lever for the wrong candidate. I mean, that's just disgusting. And the conspiracy touches0.87
01:39:23.400several organizations. It touches this outside guy who's kind of the ringleader of it,
01:39:29.000who did way more than just recruit this one extra Dan Sullivan into the race. It touches
01:39:33.480her campaign. It touches the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. And it also apparently touches
01:39:38.840the law firm, Megan, of one of your favorite lawyers, Mark Elias, the Democratic campaign
01:39:43.280super lawyer whose law firm apparently, according to the text messages, was involved. Yeah, you
01:39:48.320wouldn't think Mark Elias would be involved with such a thing, would you? Yeah, speaking of
01:39:53.080despicable, that's that is just so gross. So hopefully that will help Dan S. Sullivan get
01:39:58.540the votes that are intended for him when this election rolls around, as opposed to Dan J.
01:40:05.140Sullivan, J. Ford, just visiting, just kidding, just found off the coast of Alaska.
01:40:10.580I have to say, you said that his town is only reachable by air and sea. Do you know that's
01:40:15.020also true of Juneau, the capital of Alaska? There are no roads there either.
01:40:18.300I was going to say, that kind of describes most Alaskan towns.