The Megyn Kelly Show - November 05, 2026


BREAKING： Russell Brand Found GUILTY on Several Charges of Sexual Assault

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00:00:30.000 Welcome, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. We are live on YouTube right now with breaking news
00:00:34.640 out of the United Kingdom. Russell Brand has been found guilty of four of the seven counts
00:00:40.100 he was charged with. The guilty verdicts include one count of rape and three counts of sexual
00:00:46.820 assault. Unbelievably, the one count of rape that this jury appears to have bought is what I thought
00:00:56.040 was by far the least
00:00:57.980 credible account. It is
00:00:59.940 Complainant 5. If you've been
00:01:02.040 following our coverage, you know that that is
00:01:03.920 the woman who alleged that she was raped
00:01:05.880 anally by Russell Brand.
00:01:07.780 This is the woman who, within
00:01:09.880 10 seconds of meeting Russell Brand
00:01:12.200 in his dressing
00:01:14.080 room after a performance, 1.00
00:01:15.960 got down on her knees and started 1.00
00:01:18.160 using her tongue 1.00
00:01:19.880 to sexually pleasure him 1.00
00:01:22.260 in the rear end. 1.00
00:01:24.680 That's the woman 0.96
00:01:25.660 who they now say he raped anally at a second encounter they had back at his house.
00:01:32.940 I'm going to get into the details. 0.59
00:01:34.440 I should have warned you.
00:01:35.800 It's graphic, but you know that by this point on this case.
00:01:40.280 The Sky News is reporting that there was absolute silence in the courtroom
00:01:44.120 as the foreman delivered the verdicts following nine hours and 13 minutes of jury deliberations.
00:01:51.120 Here's the breakdown of what happened.
00:01:53.140 count one, rape, not guilty. For this charge, Russell was accused of raping a woman in 1999
00:02:00.620 at a hotel during the Labor Party conference. This is the one where the woman invited him back
00:02:07.920 to her hotel room after midnight and had him in her room. She says she went into the bathroom.
00:02:15.780 She came out. His shirt was off. He was prancing around in just his, she claimed his underwear,
00:02:21.760 but her picture shows he had his pants on. Um, she says he got on top of her and that he then
00:02:28.080 vaginally raped her without even taking her pants all the way off that she had her shoes and socks 0.93
00:02:32.340 and pants down at her ankles and that she was unable to breathe as he was on top of her. 0.99
00:02:38.300 He claims it was completely consensual. Um, and that he asked her, he gave her his email
00:02:45.540 and asked her to, told her he wanted her to meet his mother, who was in town after the encounter.
00:02:52.460 And the jury, we don't know the exact right reasoning, but they did not find that she had
00:02:57.920 been raped by Russell Brand. They appear to have believed that was a consensual encounter. Same.
00:03:04.360 Then there was count 2A, which was the most absurd count of all attempted indecent assault,
00:03:10.140 attempted indecent assault. He was found not guilty. This was a no-brainer. The charge was
00:03:14.660 that in 2001, he had attempted to indecently assault this complainant at MTV's offices in
00:03:22.000 London, allegedly grabbing her arm and trying to drag her toward a toilet. All these years,
00:03:28.020 that complainant has been saying, he grabbed me, he tried to pull me into a bathroom for 0.97
00:03:33.980 consensual sex. He wanted to have sex with me. And I wrestled away from him and said, it's a no. 0.99
00:03:38.460 Now she watches the Channel 4 documentary, that word is being used in air quotes,
00:03:43.280 and says, oh, you know, I was wrong. It was rape. He raped me. The jury, not rape. It was attempted
00:03:49.540 rape. He tried to pull me in there for a rape. And the jury said, no, we don't believe that. 0.99
00:03:53.740 So good for them because that was obvious bullshit. Count three. This is a third woman. 1.00
00:03:58.880 Okay, count three. And the next charge, count four, relate to the same woman. And on one half 0.71
00:04:04.480 of her complaint, he was found guilty. And on the other, he was not. The first half of her complaint
00:04:09.560 is that she was sexually assaulted.
00:04:11.480 He was found guilty on this count.
00:04:14.620 He was accused of grabbing
00:04:16.000 Complainant 3's breasts
00:04:17.760 during a party at a bar 0.86
00:04:19.700 in the London neighborhood of Soho
00:04:21.420 in the summer of 2004.
00:04:24.280 She alleged that he came in,
00:04:26.400 he grabbed her,
00:04:27.760 he came up to her,
00:04:28.740 he grabbed her.
00:04:29.300 I'm just going to play the testimony.
00:04:30.660 This is the BBC giving the details
00:04:32.660 of this piece of Complainant 3's testimony
00:04:34.660 during direct exam.
00:04:37.300 The second piece of it
00:04:38.680 is the oral rape which the jury rejected but listen to the setup here in sat 209 we will also
00:04:47.200 read a transcript from my body and they had sort of pleasant the defense continued saying you didn't 0.87
00:04:51.720 say anything to him at the bar you didn't ask any friends if they saw him grab your breasts you
00:04:56.040 didn't kick off and they had sort of pleasant conversation for about a minute and then she said
00:05:00.620 he leaned forwards put out both his hands and grabbed her breasts she said this person who
00:05:05.740 had just touched my breasts leant towards me just both hands grabbing my breasts only one minute into
00:05:09.940 the conversation we were having she said she was reeling from the shock of him grabbing her breasts
00:05:13.640 when he grabbed her arm and began to pull her towards the toilet she couldn't quite remember 0.87
00:05:17.820 that he'd taken his penis outside of his clothing and that he was grabbing the back of her neck and 0.94
00:05:23.440 head and hair trying to force her face down to his penis she said to the jury quote he's holding 0.97
00:05:29.020 onto my head and hair quote every time i tried to move away he was strong and forcing me back then 0.99
00:05:34.400 she described to the jury that he did force his penis inside her mouth she said quote he wasn't 0.99
00:05:39.320 very well endowed quote but there was a lot of pushing right to the back of my throat she 1.00
00:05:44.340 continued saying if I do this maybe he won't try and rape me further do what he says and then you
00:05:49.500 are out of here complainant three also told the court that she closed her eyes and tried not to 0.69
00:05:53.760 be there during the alleged oral rape saying I couldn't even look at him I was shaking when asked 0.70
00:05:58.800 how the alleged assault ended she did say quote he did ejaculate in my mouth and it went down my 0.99
00:06:03.600 throat. I remember trying to get rid of what was left. They rejected the second half of that, 0.80
00:06:09.940 finding him not guilty of oral rape of this complainant. They did find him guilty of grabbing
00:06:14.640 her breasts at the bar. You heard the BBC reporter there describing the second half of
00:06:21.540 Complainant 3's allegations that after he grabbed her breasts at the bar, he dragged her into a
00:06:27.300 bathroom stall and forced himself orally upon her. She was cross-examined at length about this.
00:06:35.900 Was it even physically possible given Russell Brand's six foot two height and the height of
00:06:40.980 the complainant? And then the defense attorney for Russell Brand made the point that after this
00:06:47.120 alleged sexual assault or rape, she got in a car with Russell, went to a second location after this 0.98
00:06:53.120 terrific oral rape. She got into a car with him willingly. She went to a second location and 0.99
00:06:57.560 they raised the point effectively of what woman who had just been orally raped would do that.
00:07:02.840 The jury appears to have rejected the claim of oral rape, not appears to have, they did 0.90
00:07:07.180 reject the claim of oral rape, but they believed that he fondled her breasts.
00:07:11.060 So he's been found guilty of sexual assault for that on that complainant. That was the first
00:07:18.940 guilty that came down the sexual assault of count on count three, the fondling of this woman's 0.87
00:07:26.440 breasts. Then we got to count five sexual assault. Again, he was found guilty of this.
00:07:33.740 The prosecution said that in the summer of 2004 or 2005, Russell Brand sexually assaulted
00:07:39.780 Complainant Four at Choice FM radio station. She talked about how he sloppily kissed her
00:07:50.600 in front of witnesses who stood there and did nothing. And the jury appears to have bought
00:07:57.840 this again back to the BBC podcast on Russell Brand. This is the description of Complainant
00:08:05.480 Four's testimony, the woman who alleged she was sexually assaulted by Brand at this station,
00:08:11.940 which the jury appears to have believed, sought 212.
00:08:16.880 They were inside a small room and came out into a smaller holding section when, quote,
00:08:21.540 he just leapt on me. They described how Russell Brand lunged forwards and began to kiss them.
00:08:25.940 They said, quote, it was a flash of lightning. They said he wasn't alone. There was a woman
00:08:30.200 with long, dark hair with him and three other men. When they were asked to describe the kiss,
00:08:34.000 they said it was frenzied it was hard it was very very hard I would say it was sloppy and it was 0.51
00:08:39.060 wet he was kissing all down my neck and his hands were all over me he touched my bum my breasts my
00:08:44.360 waist he was pushing his body against me and I was up against the wall again they clarified it
00:08:49.400 was rough and then said quote it was violent at one point they said they managed to put their hand 0.99
00:08:54.040 up between them and Russell Brandt and push him off and tell him to fuck off at which point he 0.98
00:08:58.600 lunged backwards and in a laughing way went ha ha and looked at the other people who were around 0.99
00:09:03.200 Complainant number four told the jury that not one of the other people, the women or the three men that they said were there, stepped in or said anything during the time they alleged they were assaulted by Russell Brand.
00:09:13.400 Here's some of the cross-examination of that witness so you can get a fever or you can get a feel for the Russell Brand defense against those charges, Sat 213.
00:09:24.140 But the defense was offering, how do you even know it was Russell Brand?
00:09:27.100 You didn't check with anybody, who is it?
00:09:29.120 You didn't say to somebody, this has just happened to me, who can corroborate your account?
00:09:32.760 and complaint number four said i knew who it was because i watched him on big brother they said i
00:09:36.340 watched him i knew who it was immediately when it happened i'm absolutely sure that it was russell
00:09:41.320 brand the defense continued saying in one statement you said that there were three men there and one
00:09:45.740 woman in another statement you said there were four men there and one woman and complainant four
00:09:49.900 said i can't exactly remember when i gave the account saying there were four men there i remember
00:09:53.920 there being three men and one woman and the defense said well then that's corroborating
00:09:57.760 witnesses that's people who would have come forward and backed up what you had to say
00:10:00.880 In fact, wasn't one of them a member of staff at the place where you worked?
00:10:04.280 And this is where Complainant 4 really did get quite emotional.
00:10:07.100 They were crying and having difficulty catching their breath, saying,
00:10:10.300 This man was mauling me and no one did anything.
00:10:13.700 I looked at the woman. I was pleading with her, hoping she'd step in.
00:10:17.300 But she didn't. 1.00
00:10:19.600 That woman has gotten exactly what she wanted.
00:10:21.940 He was found guilty of sexually assaulting her. 0.85
00:10:24.580 And then there was count six, rape.
00:10:28.060 Russell Brand has been found guilty of anally raping Complainant 5 at his home in Hampstead in 2009.
00:10:38.800 This was the most outlandish charge after Complainant 2, the attempted sexual assault that amounted to an arm grab,
00:10:49.500 in which the evidence around Complainant 5 was, as I said at the top of the show,
00:10:55.440 she was an ardent fan of Russell Brand. She was obsessed with him by her own testimony. She idolized
00:11:04.740 him. And she was invited to go backstage to see and meet Russell after a show. As soon as she got
00:11:11.280 into the dressing room, she and another woman started performing sex acts on Russell Brand. 1.00
00:11:16.140 The other woman performed oral sex on Russell from the front. This woman basically gave him 1.00
00:11:21.780 a different kind of sex from the back with her tongue. The big dispute at the trial was whether 1.00
00:11:27.340 she went inside with the tongue or just stayed around the outside of Russell's backside.
00:11:33.640 Forgive me, I know this is graphic. This is what it has come down to. Within 10 seconds of meeting
00:11:38.300 him, then he invited her back to his house. He testified that they had been discussing anal sex, 0.99
00:11:47.740 that it was something she was interested in, that it was something they were being playful about, 0.98
00:11:51.420 They were flirting around about it. And she immediately, she went over there understanding
00:11:56.360 that they were going to have sex. She had a boyfriend. She was cheating. She didn't care.
00:11:59.300 She was obsessed with him. And she wanted this jury to believe that while she willingly gave
00:12:03.440 it up vaginally, that he flipped her over and had sex with her anally. Her word was rape against her 0.99
00:12:09.680 will and that it was violent and it was upsetting and that she was saying no. And he was overruling
00:12:15.160 her. Russell's testimony was she absolutely did not say no. She did consent and they were both
00:12:22.340 enjoying the naughtiness of it. He testified that after that encounter, they sat there watching
00:12:30.820 television together, that this wasn't somebody who was acting as though she'd just been raped,
00:12:36.400 nor was he acting as though he had just raped her, that they hung out for a while. They watched 0.52
00:12:40.860 television. She claimed he got up immediately, walked out and said, look, look at the mess you've
00:12:45.120 made. Now clean it up. Um, there was a lot of testimony around this particular exchange and
00:12:53.280 there, there was testimony about what the woman had allegedly said, um, after the fact there was
00:13:03.040 a witness, her, her ex-boyfriend who testified that she resisted initially and then surrendered
00:13:10.200 to it. And there was a question about whether that meant she had ultimately consented. The
00:13:15.780 manager of Complainant 5, she's, I don't know, some sort of an influencer, but like a coworker, 1.00
00:13:21.040 said that the complainant did tell her that Russell, forgive me, fucked me up the ass and 0.99
00:13:27.080 really hurt me. Now, this was another woman, though, who didn't come forward until after she 1.00
00:13:32.180 saw this so-called documentary and all those years prior, had said nothing, and certainly nobody had
00:13:37.020 made a police complaint about this. Russell's been found guilty of raping this woman.
00:13:43.920 Finally, there was count seven, sexual assault. He was found guilty on this count. Here,
00:13:48.740 Russell was accused of sexually assaulting the complainant number six in 2009. She claimed that
00:13:54.500 they were working together, that they were getting ready for a show or a performance by Russell,
00:13:59.700 and that he was allegedly saying he didn't want to go on, or his team was saying he didn't want
00:14:03.820 to go on without getting a massage. They asked her if she would give him a massage of his shoulders,
00:14:08.540 that she did it, and that Russell basically put his face near her genitals and sniffed. 0.97
00:14:16.580 And she felt violated and assaulted. And the jury has agreed that indeed is what happened.
00:14:23.620 Now, what happened this morning inside court was described as, you know, as I said, dead silence.
00:14:32.040 His wife, Laura, was in court stealing herself against the verdicts, and of course the first
00:14:39.180 couple were not guilty. She apparently had to grab her chair and steady herself when they got to the
00:14:43.940 third verdict, which was guilty, and then the guilties kept on coming. Russell Brand has been
00:14:50.680 remanded into custody. The judge told him he is looking at a, quote, significant custodial term.
00:14:58.920 He asked if he could be released on bond until Monday, which is when the sentencing comes down.
00:15:06.140 His lawyer asked if on humanitarian grounds he could be allowed to go home and say goodbye to his children.
00:15:14.480 And the judge said no.
00:15:17.520 The judge said with all due respect to his children, these are very serious crimes and he's got to go to jail right now.
00:15:23.120 There'll be no saying goodbye.
00:15:24.140 His wife, Laura, walked by herself without Russell out to a black car and got in, reportedly cried in court. You can only imagine what she's feeling right now. Russell reportedly remained stoic, was asked if he understood what the judge was saying and said, yes, my lord, which is how you refer to the judges over there.
00:15:46.380 and then was remanded into custody to female bailiffs taking him out of the courtroom. And he
00:15:51.800 is probably in jail at this moment where he is going to stay at least until Monday when he will
00:15:58.080 return for sentencing. My team is just telling me here, Sky News reporting that following the
00:16:05.620 rejection of his bail application, as he was about to be led down to the cells, he mouthed,
00:16:10.720 I'm okay. Several times to his lawyers, he also signaled an okay sign and a thumbs up
00:16:16.360 multiple times. He repeatedly said the words, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. One can't help
00:16:22.200 but wonder whether that's Russell trying to talk himself into it. There's no way he's actually okay.
00:16:29.520 There's no way he's actually good. There was a situation outside the courtroom,
00:16:36.120 which is rather extraordinary according to reports that his main defense lawyer they call
00:16:42.320 them barristers over there if they argue in court in winter who did a very good job representing
00:16:48.080 russell cross-examining the women delivering a very compelling closing argument the word used
00:16:54.320 here is quote accosted a sunday times journalist following the verdicts snarling i don't know who
00:17:00.620 wrote this up. This obviously has got some color that is opinionated. Quote, are you happy now?
00:17:07.580 You fucked it. To the Sunday Times journalist, the journalist who was responsible for exposing 1.00
00:17:13.100 Brand's alleged crimes in the 2023 Dispatch's documentary and Times newspaper joint investigation
00:17:21.380 was visibly shocked. Obviously, Ian Winter genuinely believed that this whole thing
00:17:30.400 was the fault of this documentary. That's a point he made on the cross-examinations of the women,
00:17:37.620 and it's a point he made in the closing argument that nobody ever conceived of these being sexual
00:17:45.640 assaults or rapes, and no one ever said that prior to watching this so-called documentary,
00:17:50.320 which was a theatrical performance with the scary music underlaid behind actresses' portrayal of the women who had come forward to the journalists.
00:18:03.120 None of the actual women, I think none but one, actually participated in on-camera interviews.
00:18:09.320 All the most serious charges were played by actresses, which is very dicey, people. 0.87
00:18:13.880 It's very dicey.
00:18:14.920 I mean, you see that, you see a professional actress who's trying to convince you that the testimonial is true.
00:18:24.060 It's very different from seeing the actual alleged victim tell her story, where all of our human instincts are designed to detect deception, uncertainty, even odd certainty about details that one might otherwise believe somebody would have a difficult time remembering.
00:18:42.980 All of that is erased when you have a professional actress playing the role of victims, which was only disclosed in super small font on the screen here and there.
00:18:53.000 So I understand their objection to this so-called documentary, which people thought involved the actual complainants so bravely telling their stories.
00:19:02.280 That's not what happened.
00:19:03.320 And every single one of his accusers here did admit that they were influenced by that documentary into coming forward.
00:19:12.660 Russell's team said they were convinced into reimagining what had happened to them.
00:19:18.500 And now there is the question of how long Russell Brand is going to spend in prison.
00:19:26.840 I mean, you have to understand, guys, this is like the UK's Joe Rogan.
00:19:30.540 Russell Brand, of course, went on to marry Katy Perry around 2012, the biggest pop star in the world at the time.
00:19:38.080 He became an actor.
00:19:39.600 He starred in movies like, was it Forgetting Sarah Marshall?
00:19:43.120 But he became very, very famous in the UK.
00:19:46.440 He wasn't when this all first started.
00:19:48.720 The alleged crimes went from 1999 to 2009.
00:19:51.940 At the beginning of that, he really wasn't well known.
00:19:53.640 He was doing stand-up routines.
00:19:55.560 By the end of it, he was world famous.
00:19:57.180 And certainly by today's measure, he is world famous, having married Katie, having starred in movies, having starred in a very popular show over in the UK called Big Brother and other projects there.
00:20:08.680 He's a household name. But as of late, Russell Brand has been most known as a conservative commentator the size of Joe Rogan, like their biggest and best known.
00:20:20.380 And he has become very conservative. His politics are not like Joe Rogan's. I'd say he's closer to Tucker Carlson in most of his commentary, skeptical of government storylines, you could argue conspiratorial, depending on your POV, more conservative, more Christian.
00:20:40.020 His critics accused him of faking that after these women came forward and accused him of this misbehavior, that he faked becoming a Bible-reading Christian in order to manipulate the potential jury pool.
00:20:54.400 There was an embarrassing moment when he made his book tour.
00:20:57.860 He came by our show when he went on Piers Morgan, and Piers asked him what was in that Bible that he was carrying and what did he have flagged, and Russell struggled.
00:21:08.820 He struggled to explain it and find it.
00:21:12.120 And his critics thought that was evidence of his insincerity when it comes to his conversion.
00:21:17.960 I will say I personally believe Russell actually did find God and found Christianity.
00:21:22.620 And that moment on Piers Morgan was unfortunate, but it didn't cause me to doubt his conversion and his true belief.
00:21:28.880 But that's me.
00:21:31.660 And now there is the question of how long he will spend in jail.
00:21:34.380 And I don't know the answer, but I'll tell you what the statutory guidelines are.
00:21:41.440 First of all, it depends on how serious the judge thinks the circumstances around the cases are.
00:21:52.940 The way it works is the judge is going to weigh two primary components, culpability of Russell and harm to the alleged victims.
00:22:03.260 The culpability, it's basically a two-pronged discussion.
00:22:08.420 Category A would be, he's going to look at whether, was there a degree of planning?
00:22:16.060 Was there the abuse of a position of trust?
00:22:19.100 Was there the targeting of vulnerable victims?
00:22:22.740 Or was there using alcohol or drugs to facilitate the offense?
00:22:26.280 I think the answer to all of those is very clearly no.
00:22:28.640 you know abusive of a position of trust you're talking about like you're somebody's teacher
00:22:34.680 and you molest them or you're somebody's doctor that kind of thing targeting a vulnerable victim
00:22:40.820 that would mean somebody who's you know very young or possibly you know mentally unwell none
00:22:45.820 of that's been alleged here using alcohol or drugs to facilitate the offense he's not accused of
00:22:50.460 doing any of that you know like slipping somebody a mickey that kind of thing no so i don't think he
00:22:54.840 falls within category A, and I don't even think it's a degree of planning. There wasn't even
00:22:59.940 alleged that there was a degree of planning on any of this. So I just don't think it's even
00:23:03.740 arguable that he would be in the worst category. Category B is basically everybody else. So I think
00:23:09.000 he's a cat B. On the question of harm to the victim, there are three categories. Number one
00:23:14.540 is the most severe, severe additional physical or psychological harm well beyond the nature of the
00:23:22.460 act. That was not testified to. I just don't think that's relevant here. Category two is
00:23:29.520 more serious, but not most severe. Serious physical or psychological harm, I just don't
00:23:35.640 think that's there either. These women went on and led their lives and didn't even think it was 0.91
00:23:39.500 rape for 20 years. They're not going to be able to meet that. So I think his behavior will fall
00:23:44.360 into the lowest category of culpability, which is the base level, category three, additional severe
00:23:50.440 harm beyond the inherent nature of the offense is not explicitly established. I think that's him.
00:23:57.300 So I think he's in the lowest category of culpability and harm. And what that means is
00:24:03.240 if you look at the statutory guidelines on rape in the UK, if he's in category 3B, the lowest is,
00:24:12.280 I think it's basically around the starting point is five years, but the standard range is four to seven, four to seven.
00:24:24.220 So I think Russell could be looking at possibly four years on the rape count, which may sound low, but the reason it's so low is because of all the things I said.
00:24:33.820 Now, having said that, they add bad points to your sentencing guideline if there are multiple victims, and here he's been found guilty of four rape or sexual assault charges, so that could be an exacerbating factor against him.
00:24:54.480 if there are multiple victims, the judges in the UK may exceed the standard bracket of sentencing
00:25:00.840 guidelines and issue sentences of up to 20 years or life in prison. Now, there's just no way Russell
00:25:06.800 Brandt is getting that. There's just no way he's getting life in prison. So, I mean, I think that's,
00:25:10.800 that's, we can ignore that. But if he were, if I'm wrong about my analysis, and he actually does
00:25:15.580 somehow fall into category 1A instead of 3B on the culpability and harm analysis, then the starting
00:25:22.220 point would be 15 years, and the standard range of sentencing would be 13 to 19 on that rape charge
00:25:28.980 alone. Down on the sexual assault, as you would expect, the sentencing guidelines are lower.
00:25:34.880 If you're in the worst category, which again, he's not, you would start at four, and the standard
00:25:40.580 range of sentencing would be three years to seven years. If you're down in category 3B, as he is,
00:25:47.220 it looks like you might get the starting point. They call it high community order. I actually
00:25:52.020 don't know what that is. I'm assuming it's community service. Um, and the standard range
00:25:56.600 is, um, community order or medium community order to 26 weeks in prison. So what's that?
00:26:09.180 Six months, six months in prison. So the sexual assault charges don't, they don't carry that
00:26:14.440 heavy a charge. If in fact they think he's in the lowest category of culpability and harm,
00:26:19.600 He's been found guilty of three of them. So let's assume we're going to go for the lowest here of or the, you know, 3B, but the most severe penalty, which does include jail time up to 26 weeks. So that's, again, six months. There's three women. Maybe you're looking at 18 months in prison for that. So you could be looking at four years plus 18 months, you know, five and a half year sentence if he's lucky.
00:26:43.960 That would be, if he's lucky, that would be 3B across the board.
00:26:48.540 I guess it could be even lower because sexual assault could carry just a high community
00:26:54.240 order or medium community order.
00:26:56.420 My team can look up for me whether that's community service.
00:26:59.040 I assume it is.
00:27:00.200 So possibly he gets four years in prison plus community service on the sexual assaults.
00:27:04.740 Best case.
00:27:06.180 That's my read of the sentencing guidelines.
00:27:08.680 And I'm not a UK barrister, but I am a lawyer and I know how to read what the general terms are.
00:27:15.120 That's where I think we'll start on Monday when he returns to the courtroom.
00:27:23.300 And the news is even worse for Russell Brand than that today.
00:27:29.080 because as we came to air, it broke that Russell Brand is actually now looking at
00:27:38.560 two additional possible charges, that there are two possible charges coming his way on
00:27:49.440 women who did not participate in this trial. Hold on, I'm trying to find it on my text chain
00:27:58.000 with my producers, but this is, this is absolutely devastating. Russell Brand has been accused of
00:28:02.860 raping two more women, including a 16 year old school girl and could face further criminal
00:28:09.640 charges. It was revealed in previous hearings at South work crown court. So we did not know,
00:28:18.720 we did not know that this had happened, but apparently it's already happened that he was
00:28:23.740 accused of two additional counts of rape, including this 16-year-old, and that already
00:28:30.040 the Crown, which is the prosecution in the UK, is threatening to bring two more criminal
00:28:34.920 cases against him, two more criminal charges against him.
00:28:38.160 And I don't know, but I believe the 16-year-old is the young woman we discussed with Russell
00:28:44.220 when he came into the studio.
00:28:45.720 You guys remember this?
00:28:46.620 When I watched the excerpts from that Channel 4 documentary when it first hit, the one I
00:28:52.140 was very angry about was the 16-year-old. Russell was 30. She was half his age. She was
00:28:59.040 reportedly being picked up by Russell's drivers and black cars in her school uniform and brought 0.93
00:29:04.820 to him for sex acts. She had alleged things that were upsetting and violent, like he spat in her
00:29:10.920 mouth. He was, you know, diminishing, dismissive, abusive, and allegedly sexually assaulting her. 0.55
00:29:18.540 those were the allegations unproven and denied by Russell. He came on the show and I wrestled at
00:29:25.000 the time with whether to have Russell on because I didn't know who Russell was. Is he the serial
00:29:30.880 rapist or is he somebody whose politics changed and suddenly he was reimagined by these journalists 0.97
00:29:38.520 as Bill Cosby when really he was just a promiscuous star who women may have had some
00:29:47.060 regrets about sleeping with, which happens all the time. One of the points that the defense was
00:29:52.080 making in this case was he had this goal reportedly allegedly of sleeping with 5,000 women within a
00:29:57.940 certain timeframe. And they were saying, you know, he came pretty close. And of all those, you have
00:30:03.400 three women who allege rape three out of 5,000. Like, what are the odds? If he's a serial rapist,
00:30:09.820 wouldn't the numbers be a little higher than that? Wouldn't they be a lot higher than that?
00:30:13.840 You know, if consent is not important to Russell Brand, where are the other women?
00:30:21.340 He sought consent and got it in, you know, 4,900 and change cases.
00:30:28.200 But these three, he had to force himself.
00:30:30.920 Does that make any sense to you?
00:30:33.220 Was one of the points made by the defendant counsel, by the defense counsel.
00:30:37.380 But the 16-year-old was the one that really bothered me because that is legal.
00:30:45.160 That was the age of consent at the time in the UK, okay?
00:30:49.240 So you can't charge him with statutory rape on this young girl.
00:30:52.600 But that is very young.
00:30:54.840 My own daughter is 15 and a half.
00:30:57.600 That is way too young to be having a relationship or an affair, a sexual relationship with a 30-year-old.
00:31:04.820 but I did decide to have Russell on because I was curious about him and I also believe in
00:31:11.120 redemption and change and I do believe I genuinely believe sitting here today that Russell has changed
00:31:15.960 his life I believe he dearly loves his law his wife Laura his children and that I as I said I
00:31:21.900 think he has found God and he's as he's asked for forgiveness for a lifestyle that he completely
00:31:26.940 rejects now. And he sees the dangers of the debauchery of that, the shame of. So he came
00:31:35.680 here. I was totally charmed by him. I'm not going to lie. As I was when he came on my show at NBC,
00:31:41.020 utterly charming guy, sweet, interesting, funny. And I had a very difficult time believing that
00:31:48.580 he was capable of rape as I do right now. I don't believe these charges. I'm going to be honest. I
00:31:53.860 don't. It's not for me to ultimately say. It's the jury's call. But if you want to know my
00:32:02.520 personal belief, I think this is exactly as his defense lawyer argued it was. But the 16-year-old
00:32:09.680 was something Russell and I discussed, and we've pulled a little bit of that discussion. Here it
00:32:14.420 is. Then came all the allegations, the alleged sexual assault and rape, and it first came in
00:32:21.980 this UK, quote, documentary, and they use that term very loosely there and here. And I'll tell
00:32:28.360 you up front, I was angry when I saw that because they did it in such a compelling way that especially
00:32:33.940 the stuff about the 16 year old, that I was angry with you. I believed what they said,
00:32:39.000 or at least believed that there was enough smoke, there might be fire. And said to the audience at
00:32:46.380 the time, you know, the conservative movement doesn't need somebody like that. Like, we love
00:32:51.600 what he's saying about COVID, but if this is a guy who's sexually assaulting women and taking
00:32:56.260 advantage of 16-year-olds, we need to move on without him. And felt that anger for a couple
00:33:02.800 of years around you because I just thought it was so reckless and it was so wrong. And I knew
00:33:10.560 that it might be false, but it seemed overwhelming the way that they presented the evidence.
00:33:16.600 And then the more I looked at it, the more I started to recognize I might not know the full
00:33:21.540 story. Because since then, I have seen what the British government has done, what my own
00:33:26.640 government has done to certain figures that it doesn't like. And I have an enormous amount of
00:33:34.140 open-mindedness to you are being railroaded and attacked by people for reasons having nothing to
00:33:40.560 do with actual facts, but with your right-leaning stance on certain issues, your growing prominence
00:33:46.920 as a figure in a bunch of discussions that they find very threatening. And honestly, I just
00:33:53.540 re-evaluated the whole thing and thought I need to be open-minded to having been wrong in my
00:33:58.640 initial assessments. And I'm interested in a conversation about it all. Thank you, Megan
00:34:02.180 Kelly, for giving me the grace to address in particular your anger, which is entirely
00:34:06.800 legitimate and recognizable. And the plain fact of it is, is that in Europe and in the United
00:34:12.900 kingdom where i'm from the age of consent is 16 and i did sleep with a 16 year old when i was 30
00:34:20.540 but when i was 30 i was a very different person i was a lot younger and i was an immature 30 year
00:34:27.080 old consensual sex actually with a variety of people when there is a strong power differential
00:34:33.620 as there is when you're a famous man that has the ability to attract women that i had at that time
00:34:38.600 i think involves exploitation i think it is exploitative i recognized that my sexual conduct
00:34:46.880 in the past was selfish and uh i didn't i did not apply enough consideration
00:34:54.440 barely any i suppose really to how that sex was affecting other people
00:35:00.860 so you can hear he's obviously in a very different place mentally emotionally spiritually 0.60
00:35:08.200 now, but if in fact he raped a 16-year-old, obviously he will have to be tried for that 0.57
00:35:15.200 and pay if the jury concludes he did. That's a big if. I will tell you the 16-year-old
00:35:21.800 whose pseudonym was Alice did participate in that so-called documentary. She was one of the
00:35:28.860 women who actually gave an interview, wasn't portrayed by an actress. They didn't show her 0.89
00:35:34.060 face but she did give a first person interview and here is part of that in sat 225 he's like
00:35:44.220 so how many people have you had sex with and i said no one like i've never had sex with anyone 0.94
00:35:49.080 and he got an erection straight away and he was like oh my god he's like my baby my baby and 0.94
00:35:58.620 picked me up and cradled me in his arms like a child and was stroking my hair. 0.66
00:36:02.380 Things took a slightly darker turn. 1.00
00:36:07.640 I was sat up in the bed against the headboard and he forced his penis down my throat and 1.00
00:36:16.640 I couldn't breathe. 0.99
00:36:18.020 It was just choking me and I couldn't breathe.
00:36:19.760 I was pushing him away and pushing him away and he wasn't backing off at all.
00:36:26.040 And so I ended up having to punch him really hard in the stomach to get him off.
00:36:31.060 And then he like, finally, then he like fell backwards and I was crying and he said, oh, I only want to see your mascara run anyway.
00:36:45.080 There began my own anger toward Russell, which you heard me discuss with him on the show, because you heard my preamble there in my discussion with him.
00:36:53.620 The reason I had that preamble is because what happened immediately in the UK after that so-called documentary hit was the English government, actual elected officials started pushing to have him deplatformed, which he was.
00:37:11.240 YouTube eliminated him and his income that he was getting, which was substantial.
00:37:16.660 He had six million followers, I think, on YouTube.
00:37:19.220 It was a government crackdown on him immediately, immediately.
00:37:24.660 You're telling me if you had multiple women suddenly participate in a documentary so-called saying Tucker Carlson raped me, which would never happen because he's deeply in love with his wife and would never do such a thing.
00:37:35.000 But I'm just saying, wouldn't your first thought go to this is political if there were a Democrat government in charge and if Democrat lawmakers, their first move was de-platform, take away his ability to speak.
00:37:47.380 that's effectively what happened to Russell. So there was and remains plenty of reason to be
00:37:55.420 skeptical about the motives behind this prosecution and whether there's some sort of manipulation
00:38:00.300 going on here. Here, for what it's worth, is the statement from the Crown Prosecution Service.
00:38:08.200 Russell Brand was predatory and used his celebrity status to commit sexual crimes.
00:38:12.700 He was a manipulator with an insatiable desire to get what he wanted, regardless of whether 0.96
00:38:16.460 consent was given or not. As his career took off, he seized opportunities to assault the women around
00:38:21.420 him. Although his tactics varied, at the center of every assault was an abuse of power and sexual
00:38:26.660 greed, with a complete disregard for the impact of his actions. I would like to thank all the
00:38:31.200 women in this case for their courage in coming forward and seeing this sexual abuser brought to
00:38:35.980 justice. The senior Crown Prosecutor David Roberts. Interestingly and oddly to me, at least,
00:38:43.220 the Metropolitan Police also issued a statement, not used to seeing the cops come forward with a
00:38:47.280 statement, but the UK is the UK. It mirrored that one issued by the Crown Prosecution Service as well,
00:38:52.680 basically said, this verdict is a testament to the extraordinary courage and determination
00:38:56.660 of the women. Russell Brand used his influence, his status, and his fame to exploit
00:39:07.140 these women. As his profile grew, so too did his sense of entitlement, they said. And
00:39:17.400 as for his team, there will certainly be an appeal. There is just, there's no question.
00:39:28.340 There's going to be an appeal and we'll see. I mean, I do think it's very interesting
00:39:34.840 that they convicted him on the biggest jokes of the charges. Like, honestly,
00:39:43.760 with all due respect, I just mean, I don't mean the woman's story is a joke. I just mean
00:39:49.580 they were so clearly not what the prosecution was claiming they were. The one thing I said
00:39:56.240 before this case went to the jury was there is no way they can find him guilty on Complainant 5,
00:40:00.700 The alleged anal rape woman, the woman whose tongue was in Russell's rear end within 10 seconds of meeting him, please.
00:40:09.140 And but suddenly this one was like, absolutely no to the backdoor action. 0.99
00:40:12.920 I mean, please, who would believe that?
00:40:17.340 So that they they agreed with fondling a woman's breasts at a bar with multiple witnesses there having zero reaction to it. 0.55
00:40:28.560 Come on. You know, sniffing a woman's groin area is a sexual assault. This is ridiculous 0.99
00:40:37.760 what they're actually going to send him to prison for.
00:40:42.960 So maybe that's some good news for Russell, that the two allegedly most troubling,
00:40:47.760 the first one was the one that I was most troubled by, which was the complainant who 0.89
00:40:51.560 said she'd been vaginally raped by him, that her pants never even got off of her body.
00:40:57.460 That one seemed disturbing to me. 0.98
00:41:00.260 And unlike these other women, like she wasn't this crazy, you know, googly-eyed fan of Russell's.
00:41:05.760 She did invite him back to her house after midnight, or her hotel room, which I think was held against her.
00:41:10.540 But in any event, that was the one I was most worried he'd be convicted on.
00:41:14.180 The ones he actually got convicted on, to me, seemed like the most absurd, made-up ones.
00:41:19.760 So now what will happen is on Monday, Russell Brand will be returned to the courtroom, and it will probably be the last time he will see his wife in person for a very, very long time, at least without bars separating them.
00:41:38.040 Um, their son and the heart operation that he had, uh, you know, he's still struggling
00:41:46.600 and he will be divided from his father for who knows how long.
00:41:51.680 I mean, this could go beyond and clearly the prosecution hasn't extracted its, you know,
00:41:58.760 its cup of vengeance because we're looking at possibly two more crimes being charged
00:42:05.720 against Russell.
00:42:06.580 You know, I keep thinking of that clip that we showed you last week or two weeks ago when we first were covering this.
00:42:18.080 This clip was given to us by someone who had begun a documentary on Russell, and apparently it never went anywhere.
00:42:26.960 But this was given to us back in April before Russell came on, and it was something I was going to show him and discuss with him.
00:42:33.040 We ran out of time. We were talking about so many different things.
00:42:36.300 But it shows you some of the behind the scenes of Russell and his wife and their child.
00:42:47.800 And let me tell you something.
00:42:49.360 That family's been through a lot.
00:42:52.040 Laura Brand gave testimony, and she was extremely sympathetic.
00:42:57.300 Even the judge had to admit that.
00:42:59.940 Even the prosecution had to admit that, that this woman got up there,
00:43:02.980 talked about their relationship, which they began right before this whole time frame.
00:43:07.840 They broke up. She said they stayed in touch all this time. The prosecution tried to paint her as
00:43:12.020 completely out of touch, and she didn't know him when he was this rabid, like, shark-eyed demon 0.99
00:43:18.680 who would, like, flip a switch and turn into this serial angry rapist. She tried to tell them that's 0.98
00:43:25.080 not true. She actually did stay in close touch with Russell. She knew exactly who he was and
00:43:30.700 that he wasn't that person. Now they got back together. She talked about how when they first
00:43:36.760 were together, he wasn't faithful to her. Um, but then things changed and they found each other
00:43:42.860 again. He married her. He's been baptized. He's found God. If you look at any of their social
00:43:48.820 media, and I mean, for years now, these two are, you know, spiritual. They are a little woo woo.
00:43:55.260 they are madly in love with each other. They've formed a family he's very devoted to. And I do
00:44:02.680 believe he's changed his life. They tried to make this case. Look, if you find he raped women prior
00:44:09.900 to all that, he's still going to go to jail. And that's what happened today. But I watched this 0.62
00:44:15.200 piece and thought, is this man capable of what they say? Let me air it again, and you tell me.
00:44:22.740 tune in right now to what's real
00:44:27.160 i think about the difficulties that we've been through and i sort of think like gosh
00:44:40.820 you know i don't really often talk about it with people um i do you know we talk about it
00:44:46.840 we we have been experiencing more than one difficulty at a time you know we have a son
00:44:52.820 who has a serious heart condition good morning hello darling who in october 2023 had open heart
00:45:04.620 surgery i found out that he was going to need that surgery imminently two days after the media
00:45:12.940 you know, explosion.
00:45:17.900 I had to go to the hospital, you know,
00:45:20.340 head down in the car with a 10-week-old baby.
00:45:24.160 Russell was allowed to visit under the cover of darkness,
00:45:28.200 taking a break for a moment from all the media coverage
00:45:31.940 and the newspaper articles
00:45:33.260 and the feeling of 20 people outside our home.
00:45:35.360 The break from that was the bedside of our child in intensive care.
00:45:40.140 it's like being shown this is not real this was never real look what you gave your life to 1.00
00:45:49.280 you gave your life to being famous screwing around being an idiot and what was so sort of 0.99
00:45:57.100 extraordinary when all this no i guess we gotta let him come come on then this is herbie 1.00
00:46:05.880 he's all right now what's up
00:46:09.540 we're all supposed to say that we don't regret anything because all the experiences even the
00:46:22.320 worst experiences of our life are contributors to the person that we've subsequently become 0.98
00:46:27.600 but but i feel like oh my god i spent like 20 years just screwing around like an idiot it's 1.00
00:46:33.420 untrue a lie has been told a lie has been pulled a deception he raped me 0.99
00:46:42.300 if i was to uh think too much about doing this on my own that's too painful
00:46:51.100 i don't want to do it on my own so i hope i hope the system isn't as fast as we all think it is
00:47:08.480 they have three kids two daughters a son 10 8 and 3 can only imagine what they're going through
00:47:25.420 this morning um we will stay tuned we will bring you more as we learn what the defense plan is
00:47:32.400 and certainly what the sentence is,
00:47:34.960 which we will learn on Monday.
00:47:36.860 We are back with our regularly scheduled
00:47:38.720 Megyn Kelly show shortly.
00:47:40.540 Thanks for joining us.