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00:00:41.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.400 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

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00:00:49.160 Coming up, former Hollywood star Kirk Cameron

00:00:51.320 on his new plan to fight back against the censoring

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00:01:05.120 But first, corporate media silence on the New York Post's

00:01:08.600 reporting yesterday regarding Dr. Gal Luft,

00:01:11.860 a potential witness on Biden family corruption.

00:01:15.420 I mean, when I say silence, I mean absolute silence.

00:01:20.480 They won't cover this story.

00:01:22.820 Dr. Luft released a video making pretty damning allegations

00:01:27.380 against President Biden and his son Hunter.

00:01:30.400 And yet, in the media, crickets.

00:01:33.460 The reporter who broke the story,

00:01:35.060 Miranda Devine of the New York Post, joins me now.

00:01:37.280 Miranda, thank you so much for being here

00:01:39.600 and for all of your great reporting on this.

00:01:41.860 Can we just start with that?

00:01:43.060 How stunning.

00:01:44.360 We did a search today just to see who covered it.

00:01:46.400 We came up with the New York Sun and an outlet called K News,

00:01:51.820 and we covered it yesterday.

00:01:53.780 I mean, but absolutely no one in the mainstream

00:01:56.080 went with the story.

00:01:58.660 Hi, Megan.

00:01:59.680 No, that's sort of par for the course, isn't it,

00:02:02.080 when it comes to this Biden story?

00:02:04.100 And there's really no excuse on this

00:02:06.140 because the video is out there for everyone to see.

00:02:09.220 And Gal Luft was a well-known staple of the think tank world

00:02:15.560 in Washington, D.C. for a decade.

00:02:18.260 He had on his think tank such luminaries

00:02:21.440 as former CIA director James Woolsey,

00:02:25.320 former NSA director Robert McFarlane.

00:02:28.740 So it's not hard to check out that he was,

00:02:32.460 at one point anyway, a legitimate guy.

00:02:34.400 I don't understand really how long the rest of the media

00:02:39.200 can keep covering for the Bidens

00:02:40.960 because I think the avalanche of information

00:02:44.040 coming from whistleblowers

00:02:46.520 is going to become impossible for them to ignore forever.

00:02:51.200 We looked just to see in his past,

00:02:54.200 in the not-too-distant past,

00:02:56.000 he appeared or was cited by NBC, NPR, Newsweek.

00:03:02.220 I could go on.

00:03:02.900 Yeah, he's been treated as a credible authority

00:03:06.220 by these mainstream news organizations in the past,

00:03:08.840 but now that he's alleging he can testify

00:03:11.600 to corruption by Joe and Hunter Biden

00:03:14.900 and can provide the specifics on it

00:03:16.660 and had a meeting with six officials

00:03:19.920 from the FBI and DOJ in Cyprus in 2019,

00:03:24.460 completely ignoring.

00:03:26.820 And it's not just, I know they hate the Post,

00:03:29.500 but as you point out, the guys on videotape,

00:03:31.340 that was what was so extraordinary

00:03:32.880 about your report yesterday.

00:03:34.120 Yes, you wrote it up, but you had the link.

00:03:36.060 I watched it myself.

00:03:37.000 He's on camera detailing the whole thing.

00:03:39.700 And it's one thing that you can cover it skeptically.

00:03:42.260 Maybe you say, I don't know.

00:03:43.500 I question the motives.

00:03:44.820 Fine.

00:03:45.840 Nothing.

00:03:46.800 They're not interested.

00:03:47.740 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:03:50.920 And look, you have to, and I did up front,

00:03:53.520 say this man is a fugitive.

00:03:55.260 He's on the run.

00:03:56.780 He filmed that video in some undisclosed location

00:04:00.420 because he skipped bail in Cyprus.

00:04:03.480 And now his explanation for that is that he says

00:04:08.260 that he was only charged with, you know,

00:04:11.280 gun running charges, which he says are ridiculous

00:04:13.440 and he's innocent of, and FARA violations,

00:04:16.980 you know, being a foreign agent violations.

00:04:20.080 He says he was only charged to keep him quiet.

00:04:23.300 And it is true.

00:04:24.680 I have confirmed with James Comer,

00:04:27.060 the head of the oversight committee,

00:04:28.360 that they were talking to Gal Luft,

00:04:32.060 the Israeli professor, and before he was arrested,

00:04:36.360 sorry, after he was arrested,

00:04:37.520 before he skipped bail,

00:04:38.980 and wanted him to be a witness.

00:04:41.640 And James Comer also told me this week

00:04:43.560 they would still like him to be a witness

00:04:45.580 if they can figure out some way of doing that.

00:04:48.800 So his story seems to check out in all sorts of ways.

00:04:53.600 And as you said,

00:04:54.920 he's already given his allegations to the government

00:04:58.400 in March of 2019.

00:05:00.860 They flew four FBI agents and two prosecutors

00:05:04.780 from the Southern District of New York to Brussels

00:05:07.480 to meet with him for two days,

00:05:09.180 for something like 14 hours,

00:05:12.140 to get his information.

00:05:14.080 So obviously they thought he was a credible witness then.

00:05:17.060 They must have treated him seriously

00:05:20.040 to spend so much time and so much money on that episode.

00:05:24.220 And yet they never seemed to follow up on it.

00:05:27.680 They never seemed to investigate it.

00:05:30.060 His information was buried.

00:05:32.980 They didn't interview, for instance,

00:05:35.180 he mentioned Rob Walker,

00:05:37.220 who was a Biden family associate,

00:05:39.680 that he said all the money from this Chinese company

00:05:42.440 was being funneled through.

00:05:44.360 Well, it took the FBI 21 months

00:05:47.520 to actually interview Rob Walker,

00:05:50.540 and only because they'd been told

00:05:52.340 by multiple other sources,

00:05:53.980 that Rob Walker was the guy

00:05:56.680 who the Chinese were paying

00:05:59.780 and who was then funneling dribs and drabs

00:06:02.760 to at least three family members.

00:06:04.480 We know about a million dollars

00:06:06.120 came to the Biden family that way

00:06:08.640 because James Comer now has the bank accounts

00:06:12.460 and the bank statements,

00:06:13.880 and he's made them public.

00:06:15.180 Is it possible,

00:06:17.040 because this is Trump's DOJ

00:06:18.940 that went out to Brussels

00:06:19.940 and met with him in March of 19,

00:06:21.860 is it possible they met with him and said,

00:06:24.040 this guy's full of it?

00:06:26.140 You know, they did check it out internally

00:06:28.240 that we would know nothing about

00:06:30.020 and said, we don't believe him.

00:06:31.900 Let's move on.

00:06:32.640 And we actually might think he's a criminal.

00:06:34.580 Let's pursue that.

00:06:35.880 And then he got arrested,

00:06:36.980 you know, this past spring.

00:06:39.000 And the reason they didn't follow up

00:06:40.600 on the allegations about Hunter and Joe

00:06:42.400 was that to the extent they kicked those tires,

00:06:45.120 they deflated quickly.

00:06:47.660 Yes.

00:06:48.000 And that's certainly something

00:06:49.760 I always keep in mind with all of this.

00:06:52.860 You know, you can go the conspiracy route

00:06:54.800 or you can try and say,

00:06:56.460 well, let's look at this

00:06:57.460 as if there's no corruption

00:06:59.760 inside the DOJ and the FBI.

00:07:02.260 Maybe they did track down everything

00:07:04.280 and they found that there was nothing to it.

00:07:07.060 Unfortunately, the pattern that we saw

00:07:09.520 with Gal Laft has been repeated

00:07:11.220 across about five different sources,

00:07:15.560 whistleblowers or whatever you want to call them,

00:07:18.080 witnesses, who have told the DOJ,

00:07:21.540 the FBI, the authorities about allegations,

00:07:25.620 about evidence to do with bribery

00:07:27.880 of the Biden family

00:07:29.500 by multiple different countries.

00:07:32.260 So Gal Laft is talking about China.

00:07:34.700 We have others who've talked about Ukraine,

00:07:37.400 including Bud Cummins,

00:07:40.260 who was the US attorney for Arkansas.

00:07:43.900 And he was no longer,

00:07:44.940 he was in private practice

00:07:45.980 when someone came to him

00:07:47.280 with some allegations

00:07:48.700 about money going to the Bidens

00:07:50.420 that was for a bribe,

00:07:52.040 for a quid pro quo from Ukraine.

00:07:54.400 He brought that again to Jeffrey Berman,

00:07:56.900 the US attorney

00:07:57.800 for the Southern District of New York

00:07:59.940 at that time.

00:08:01.180 And nothing,

00:08:03.000 he says that that was never investigated.

00:08:05.020 He was never followed up.

00:08:06.720 But what he did find

00:08:07.700 a couple of years later

00:08:08.900 when he was informed by Apple

00:08:11.020 was that the FBI

00:08:12.660 had gone after his cloud,

00:08:14.980 had a surveillance warrant.

00:08:16.620 They were spying

00:08:17.340 on all his text messages

00:08:19.220 and emails.

00:08:20.780 And, you know,

00:08:21.260 that's a pattern we saw

00:08:22.360 also with Rudy Giuliani.

00:08:24.900 Unbeknownst to Rudy Giuliani,

00:08:26.540 he also was being spied on

00:08:28.100 by the FBI

00:08:28.940 from pretty much the moment

00:08:31.740 that he became Donald Trump's

00:08:33.440 personal attorney

00:08:34.640 right through to the election.

00:08:37.580 And during 2020,

00:08:39.080 when he received

00:08:40.400 the information

00:08:41.940 from the laptop repair shop owner

00:08:44.020 that he had the laptop

00:08:45.740 and that it had a whole lot

00:08:47.000 of incriminating material on there,

00:08:49.000 especially about Ukraine.

00:08:50.960 And the FBI

00:08:52.740 had full access

00:08:53.740 to that email

00:08:54.660 from John Paul MacIsaac

00:08:56.000 to Rudy Giuliani

00:08:57.080 because they were spying

00:08:58.600 on his cloud.

00:08:59.300 And the FBI also

00:09:00.760 would have had access

00:09:01.820 to my communications

00:09:03.020 with Rudy Giuliani

00:09:04.660 during that period,

00:09:06.320 which, you know,

00:09:08.360 would have led anyone

00:09:09.480 to see them,

00:09:10.700 to know that the New York Post

00:09:12.240 was going to publish imminently.

00:09:15.600 And, you know,

00:09:16.600 I mean, how long,

00:09:17.380 how far do you want to go?

00:09:18.060 You could even say,

00:09:18.940 well, the FBI

00:09:20.000 had had the laptop

00:09:21.100 since December 2019

00:09:22.620 and they went

00:09:24.600 to the social media companies

00:09:26.360 and pre-bunked our story

00:09:27.920 saying that, you know,

00:09:29.540 expect a Russian disinformation

00:09:31.440 hack and dump

00:09:32.520 before, you know,

00:09:34.620 in October,

00:09:35.180 before the election,

00:09:36.160 probably to do with

00:09:37.100 Hunter Biden.

00:09:38.980 So all this whole pattern,

00:09:41.660 Tony Bobulinski,

00:09:43.240 the Ukraine witness

00:09:44.820 that, you know,

00:09:46.820 is the subject

00:09:47.860 of that FD 1023 form

00:09:50.720 that James Klymer managed.

00:09:52.920 The FBI strategy

00:09:53.060 from Congress.

00:09:54.780 That's right.

00:09:55.700 So, you know,

00:09:57.120 Gal Loft is one piece

00:09:58.760 of the jigsaw puzzle.

00:09:59.860 You could maybe dismiss him,

00:10:01.120 say he's just a fugitive.

00:10:03.340 But what happened to him

00:10:05.520 has happened to

00:10:07.220 at least five or four

00:10:09.160 or five other people.

00:10:10.840 It's so disturbing

00:10:12.040 when you lay it out

00:10:12.860 the way you just did.

00:10:14.600 And let's not forget

00:10:15.280 the meeting with Gal Loft

00:10:16.860 happened in March of 19.

00:10:18.780 It was December of 19,

00:10:20.300 as you point out,

00:10:20.820 that they did have the laptop.

00:10:22.040 And so and we know

00:10:23.700 that they buried that.

00:10:24.460 So it's like, yeah,

00:10:25.580 even if they thought

00:10:26.520 Gal Loft may not have been

00:10:27.740 telling the truth

00:10:28.400 or had an axe to grind,

00:10:29.860 more and more

00:10:30.580 confirming allegations

00:10:32.360 in the lane of corruption,

00:10:34.060 at least, came in.

00:10:35.600 And we've yet to be given

00:10:36.880 a full explanation

00:10:37.720 for what they did with it.

00:10:38.800 In fact, now we fast forward

00:10:39.920 to today and he gets

00:10:41.560 this sweetheart plea deal

00:10:42.840 that brushes off

00:10:43.680 the tax charges

00:10:44.680 and the gun charges.

00:10:46.500 And there's nothing

00:10:47.860 on corruption.

00:10:49.560 And while they gave him

00:10:50.320 a fig leaf of,

00:10:51.420 well, the investigation's

00:10:52.480 ongoing, the U.S.

00:10:53.600 attorney in Delaware,

00:10:54.320 David Weiss, it's ongoing,

00:10:55.420 which allows Hunter

00:10:56.740 to not give testimony

00:10:58.580 before Congress.

00:10:59.420 He can just plead the fifth

00:11:00.300 because he can say,

00:11:01.240 oh, you know,

00:11:01.920 there's a criminal case

00:11:02.760 ongoing against me.

00:11:03.560 I can't I don't have

00:11:04.200 to speak to any of this.

00:11:05.860 Do we really believe

00:11:07.080 it's ongoing?

00:11:07.800 Do we really believe

00:11:08.600 David Weiss or anybody else

00:11:09.720 is actually investigating

00:11:12.320 Hunter slash Joe corruption

00:11:15.520 other than House

00:11:16.680 Oversight Committee?

00:11:18.800 I don't think that

00:11:20.580 they are investigating Hunter.

00:11:22.180 There may be other

00:11:23.160 family members,

00:11:25.100 other aspects of the

00:11:26.620 investigation that are

00:11:28.220 ongoing,

00:11:28.800 but you can't have

00:11:31.000 much faith in anything

00:11:32.460 that happens under

00:11:34.080 Weiss's direction

00:11:35.500 because of what we heard

00:11:37.440 from not one,

00:11:38.260 but two IRS whistleblowers

00:11:39.920 about the slow walking,

00:11:41.820 about the obstruction

00:11:42.680 from the Department of Justice,

00:11:44.000 about the mixed messages

00:11:46.480 that came from Weiss

00:11:48.300 and the Attorney General

00:11:49.860 about whether or not

00:11:51.540 Weiss had full authority.

00:11:53.780 Actually, they didn't call it full.

00:11:54.860 They had an interesting

00:11:55.640 word for it.

00:11:57.240 I think it was ultimate authority,

00:11:59.920 which is, you know,

00:12:01.060 subtly different

00:12:01.900 if you're a lawyer

00:12:02.700 from full or complete authority.

00:12:04.880 Ultimate authority means,

00:12:06.640 you know,

00:12:06.980 after a whole lot of steps

00:12:08.060 are taken,

00:12:08.560 then at the end of those steps,

00:12:11.000 you have authority.

00:12:11.960 And obviously those steps

00:12:15.720 were not taken

00:12:16.540 for those most serious charges

00:12:19.420 or those most serious allegations

00:12:21.320 to do with the Ukraine payments,

00:12:26.640 anything to do with

00:12:28.680 Farrah violations,

00:12:30.580 sort of Hunter

00:12:31.360 or his other family members

00:12:32.940 acting as foreign agents

00:12:34.700 or other corruption issues

00:12:37.980 that traced all the way

00:12:39.660 to Joe Biden,

00:12:41.300 such as who is the big guy.

00:12:43.460 All of those were involved

00:12:45.120 in a lot of the early charges.

00:12:48.040 And as the IRS whistleblower,

00:12:50.040 Gary Shapley,

00:12:50.800 who was the supervising agent

00:12:52.220 for this tax investigation

00:12:54.260 in Delaware under Weiss,

00:12:56.300 as he testified,

00:12:57.340 once they were not able

00:13:00.600 to charge those offences

00:13:03.240 in Washington, D.C.

00:13:05.140 and also in the Central District

00:13:07.960 of California

00:13:08.800 because the U.S. attorneys there

00:13:10.380 appointed by Joe Biden

00:13:11.740 refused to allow them.

00:13:13.760 Once those charges

00:13:14.940 were off the table,

00:13:15.940 all you had left with

00:13:17.060 was a couple of little misdemeanours.

00:13:19.980 And that's exactly

00:13:20.920 how it panned out.

00:13:21.980 And I just think that Weiss,

00:13:26.580 who now is, you know,

00:13:28.180 refusing to go in

00:13:30.060 and talk to the Oversight Committee

00:13:32.940 or any of the other

00:13:33.800 Republican-controlled committees

00:13:35.240 in the House,

00:13:36.920 he has given multiple stories

00:13:40.960 that don't add up.

00:13:43.000 He's told his staff one thing,

00:13:44.960 the investigative team,

00:13:46.580 that he did have authority,

00:13:48.280 but then he had to go

00:13:49.380 and ask the Attorney General

00:13:51.800 for more authority

00:13:53.140 and was knocked back.

00:13:54.600 And then Merrick Garland

00:13:55.960 under oath says,

00:13:57.160 no, that's not true.

00:13:58.880 He has,

00:13:59.580 he had ultimate authority.

00:14:01.840 Someone is lying

00:14:02.920 in all of this.

00:14:04.040 And it just,

00:14:06.500 you know,

00:14:06.840 it comes back

00:14:07.720 to really Joe Biden

00:14:09.200 and what Gal Luft,

00:14:12.040 one of the reasons

00:14:13.060 that I believed

00:14:15.140 what Gal Luft

00:14:16.140 was telling me

00:14:17.220 was not only

00:14:18.800 did he provide documents

00:14:20.320 that showed that,

00:14:21.320 you know,

00:14:22.480 that Brussels meeting

00:14:23.480 with the six

00:14:24.680 FDOJ officials

00:14:26.840 did occur

00:14:27.480 because he gave me

00:14:28.260 a letter that

00:14:28.880 Geoffrey Berman,

00:14:30.060 who was then

00:14:30.640 the US Attorney

00:14:31.340 for the Southern District,

00:14:32.800 had given him.

00:14:34.340 And he gave me emails

00:14:35.460 between his lawyer

00:14:36.500 and the then acting

00:14:39.580 Deputy Attorney General

00:14:42.520 Richard Donoghue,

00:14:43.860 when he went back,

00:14:45.040 sent his lawyer back

00:14:46.000 in October of 2020

00:14:47.560 to reiterate

00:14:48.260 those allegations.

00:14:51.020 Also, Gal Luft

00:14:52.400 told me information

00:14:53.700 that I didn't publish

00:14:54.940 at the time

00:14:55.760 when I first started

00:14:56.800 talking to him

00:14:57.520 a month or so ago

00:14:59.220 because I thought

00:15:00.240 it's too explosive

00:15:01.780 and I can't corroborate it.

00:15:03.400 He told me that

00:15:04.420 Joe Biden

00:15:05.400 had met

00:15:06.080 with these Chinese

00:15:07.400 officials

00:15:08.420 from this

00:15:09.120 Chinese energy company

00:15:10.440 in a hotel

00:15:12.420 in Washington, D.C.

00:15:14.080 and I thought,

00:15:16.340 well, I just can't

00:15:17.660 publish that.

00:15:18.860 And then

00:15:19.280 when Gary Shapley,

00:15:21.060 the IRS whistleblower,

00:15:22.340 testified,

00:15:23.580 one of the exhibits

00:15:24.340 that he produced

00:15:25.220 was an FBI

00:15:26.160 interview transcript

00:15:27.840 with Rob Walker,

00:15:30.920 you know,

00:15:31.140 the bag man,

00:15:31.900 the guy who was

00:15:32.440 funneling the money

00:15:33.140 from the Chinese

00:15:33.960 to the Biden family

00:15:34.940 and Rob Walker

00:15:35.740 said, yes,

00:15:36.860 there had been a meeting

00:15:37.700 at the Four Seasons

00:15:38.520 in Washington, D.C.

00:15:39.900 with Joe Biden

00:15:41.040 once he was out

00:15:42.380 of office

00:15:42.740 after he finished

00:15:44.220 being vice president

00:15:45.200 around late 2016,

00:15:46.940 early 2017

00:15:47.780 with those Chinese

00:15:49.600 and Rob Walker

00:15:50.340 was at the meeting,

00:15:51.240 so was Hunter Biden

00:15:52.120 and Joe Biden

00:15:53.580 popped in

00:15:54.440 to meet those,

00:15:56.060 the Chinese

00:15:56.620 that had paid

00:15:57.300 the Bidens

00:15:57.920 millions of dollars.

00:16:00.080 So, you know,

00:16:01.220 his story is checked out

00:16:02.580 every which way,

00:16:04.120 Gao Luft,

00:16:04.660 so I don't know

00:16:06.000 whether the allegations

00:16:07.060 that he gave

00:16:08.140 to the DOJ

00:16:09.880 about the bribery,

00:16:10.880 you know,

00:16:12.400 I don't know

00:16:12.900 if he had,

00:16:13.760 you know,

00:16:14.680 some other way

00:16:15.340 of corroborating it.

00:16:16.280 He also said

00:16:16.880 there was a Hunter Biden

00:16:18.260 had a mole

00:16:18.880 in the FBI

00:16:19.760 nickname,

00:16:21.300 One Eye.

00:16:22.640 It's amazing.

00:16:23.400 You know,

00:16:24.080 it just,

00:16:25.080 it sounds so bizarre

00:16:26.120 when I say it.

00:16:26.620 Let's table that

00:16:26.980 for one second

00:16:27.540 because I do want

00:16:28.420 to talk about One Eye.

00:16:29.700 But right,

00:16:30.080 so we don't know

00:16:30.640 whether these allegations

00:16:31.480 that Gao Luft

00:16:32.080 is making are true,

00:16:33.780 but pieces of his story

00:16:35.360 have been checking out

00:16:36.620 for sure,

00:16:38.220 as you point out,

00:16:38.840 not just,

00:16:39.380 you know,

00:16:40.160 some random witness

00:16:41.100 saying,

00:16:41.480 yeah,

00:16:41.760 Gao's a truth teller,

00:16:42.960 but actual documents,

00:16:44.840 correspondence with the FBI

00:16:46.020 and the DOJ

00:16:46.900 that's been submitted

00:16:47.960 in congressional testimony

00:16:49.120 and elsewhere.

00:16:49.920 You tweeted out

00:16:50.740 that letter

00:16:51.240 that he received

00:16:52.860 from the DOJ

00:16:53.920 confirming this meeting

00:16:55.580 that they had in Brussels

00:16:56.500 on March 25,

00:16:58.500 2019.

00:16:59.120 People can look at it

00:16:59.840 right now

00:17:00.160 if they just follow

00:17:00.680 your Twitter.

00:17:01.820 What's interesting

00:17:02.320 about that letter

00:17:03.060 is the DOJ

00:17:05.200 is saying to his lawyer,

00:17:06.740 Gao's lawyer,

00:17:07.460 we will not arrest

00:17:08.640 your client

00:17:09.100 when we see him

00:17:09.700 in Brussels.

00:17:10.380 We are assuring you

00:17:11.500 we will not arrest him.

00:17:12.700 So to me,

00:17:13.060 it seemed like Gao's

00:17:14.020 troubles with our DOJ

00:17:16.460 predated that moment.

00:17:18.280 He was saying

00:17:18.880 he reached out

00:17:19.620 to our DOJ slash FBI

00:17:21.120 to say,

00:17:21.580 hey,

00:17:21.940 I've got information

00:17:22.820 for you on Hunter Biden

00:17:23.920 and Joe Biden

00:17:24.580 in 2019,

00:17:25.260 but this makes it sound

00:17:27.160 like he'd had prior

00:17:28.440 dealings with them

00:17:29.040 that suggested

00:17:30.620 he was in trouble.

00:17:32.080 You know,

00:17:32.500 A,

00:17:33.060 do you know about that?

00:17:34.000 And B,

00:17:34.440 my second thought was

00:17:35.360 even if he were

00:17:36.520 in trouble,

00:17:38.100 people who are

00:17:38.940 in trouble

00:17:39.560 in the criminal lane

00:17:40.720 often just trade

00:17:42.260 information

00:17:42.780 to,

00:17:43.960 you know,

00:17:44.800 work with the DOJ

00:17:45.580 to get a lesser sentence

00:17:46.520 to become something

00:17:47.760 more like a,

00:17:49.040 you know,

00:17:49.240 like a whistleblower

00:17:50.220 as opposed to a defendant.

00:17:52.040 It doesn't mean

00:17:52.960 what they're giving

00:17:53.480 the FBI is untrue.

00:17:55.320 That's the FBI's job

00:17:56.200 to figure out.

00:17:56.920 But was there

00:17:58.200 a threat of arrest

00:17:59.580 or him being arrested

00:18:00.700 as an arms dealer,

00:18:01.660 do you know,

00:18:02.060 prior to that March

00:18:03.000 of 19 meeting?

00:18:05.420 Yeah,

00:18:05.740 not the arms dealing,

00:18:07.340 but,

00:18:07.600 so the FBI mole

00:18:10.020 I just mentioned,

00:18:11.340 one eye,

00:18:12.280 had,

00:18:12.740 was giving classified

00:18:13.860 information,

00:18:14.700 according to Gal Luft,

00:18:16.040 via Hunter

00:18:17.380 to these Chinese

00:18:19.140 from CEFC.

00:18:20.980 And at one point,

00:18:23.120 the information

00:18:23.980 they were tipped off

00:18:25.320 to was that

00:18:26.060 the FBI

00:18:26.680 was investigating them.

00:18:29.000 And the information

00:18:30.820 they got from

00:18:31.840 that investigation

00:18:33.100 was that there were

00:18:34.560 two Chinese

00:18:35.700 under investigation

00:18:36.660 and a Jewish person

00:18:38.860 and someone else.

00:18:40.260 And so Gal Luft,

00:18:41.340 because he was in business

00:18:42.740 with the same Chinese people

00:18:44.340 that Hunter and Jim

00:18:46.840 were getting

00:18:47.260 all this money from,

00:18:48.960 Gal Luft used to run

00:18:50.240 these energy forums,

00:18:53.040 and I guess they were lucrative,

00:18:55.440 around the world

00:18:56.620 with Patrick Ho,

00:18:58.680 who was one

00:18:59.460 of the CEFC people.

00:19:02.540 And Patrick Ho

00:19:04.380 did end up

00:19:05.020 getting arrested.

00:19:06.300 The other guy,

00:19:07.220 Chairman Jiang Ming,

00:19:08.840 managed to escape

00:19:10.120 the country

00:19:10.720 after the tip-off.

00:19:12.700 He ended up

00:19:13.600 being arrested

00:19:14.040 on a different matter

00:19:14.920 in China.

00:19:15.620 But anyway,

00:19:16.780 the FBI tip-off

00:19:17.760 helped the chairman

00:19:19.000 to escape,

00:19:19.880 but Patrick Ho

00:19:20.740 came back to the country,

00:19:22.880 was immediately arrested.

00:19:23.940 Gal Luft,

00:19:25.580 I think after that,

00:19:27.320 was concerned

00:19:28.300 that he might be

00:19:30.040 the next on the chopping block.

00:19:31.540 So he thought,

00:19:32.880 well,

00:19:33.060 I will contact the FBI.

00:19:35.760 I think he did it.

00:19:36.540 He waited until

00:19:37.780 Patrick Ho

00:19:38.960 was convicted

00:19:41.380 and sentenced

00:19:42.540 to, I think,

00:19:43.160 three years in jail.

00:19:44.020 He's since been

00:19:44.620 deported

00:19:45.740 back to Hong Kong.

00:19:47.680 And after Patrick Ho

00:19:49.280 was jailed,

00:19:50.800 that was when,

00:19:52.000 I guess,

00:19:52.480 Gal Luft thought,

00:19:53.100 well,

00:19:53.340 I'll contact the DOJ,

00:19:54.640 tell them everything I know,

00:19:56.380 and so that they know

00:19:57.500 that I'm on the up and up.

00:19:59.660 Patrick Ho

00:20:00.280 was convicted

00:20:02.360 of bribing

00:20:04.220 some UN officials,

00:20:05.940 kind of separate

00:20:06.560 from the Bidens.

00:20:08.300 And during

00:20:09.440 Patrick Ho's trial,

00:20:12.240 he

00:20:12.540 was told

00:20:15.180 by prosecutors

00:20:16.220 that he was not allowed

00:20:17.160 to mention

00:20:17.840 the Biden name

00:20:19.700 or any of these

00:20:20.780 high officials

00:20:22.080 that CEFC

00:20:23.280 had been paying

00:20:24.140 in Washington,

00:20:25.100 D.C.

00:20:25.640 And the judge

00:20:26.600 agreed to that.

00:20:28.200 And what

00:20:29.140 Gal Luft says

00:20:30.460 is that the reason

00:20:31.560 he felt he had

00:20:32.420 to skip bail

00:20:33.100 is because

00:20:33.720 the same thing

00:20:35.160 would happen to him,

00:20:36.320 that if he wouldn't

00:20:38.080 get a fair trial

00:20:38.840 in the Southern District

00:20:39.720 of New York,

00:20:40.640 because he would not

00:20:42.700 be able to mention

00:20:43.640 the Biden name.

00:20:45.160 So that's his story.

00:20:46.460 I mean,

00:20:46.980 you know,

00:20:47.240 every person

00:20:47.900 like this is self-serving.

00:20:49.180 It's a pattern

00:20:49.640 because we now know

00:20:50.600 from the IRS whistleblowers,

00:20:53.020 Gary Shapley

00:20:53.720 and the other unnamed one,

00:20:55.380 that the attorney general,

00:20:56.740 that the DOJ

00:20:57.680 was saying

00:20:58.240 in their investigation,

00:21:00.080 no Joe Biden.

00:21:01.260 No,

00:21:01.780 we're not

00:21:02.160 investigating Joe Biden

00:21:03.600 and shutting them down

00:21:04.660 whenever they

00:21:05.720 went down

00:21:06.800 a Joe Biden lane

00:21:08.020 and never mind

00:21:09.820 a Joe Biden grandchild.

00:21:11.720 It was only Hunter

00:21:12.920 and they didn't seem

00:21:14.080 particularly interested

00:21:14.880 in actually getting

00:21:15.980 to the bottom

00:21:16.440 of Hunter's dealings either.

00:21:17.760 But certainly

00:21:18.240 there have been roadblocks

00:21:19.200 keeping all these investigators

00:21:20.560 away from Joe.

00:21:23.640 Yeah,

00:21:24.360 I mean,

00:21:24.860 the pattern

00:21:25.300 has been repeated

00:21:26.320 so many times.

00:21:28.000 It's,

00:21:28.320 you know,

00:21:29.020 it's almost a joke now.

00:21:31.020 Tony Bobulinski,

00:21:32.680 one of Hunter Biden's

00:21:33.700 former business partners,

00:21:35.240 came forward

00:21:35.940 to the FBI

00:21:37.220 just before the 2020 election.

00:21:39.320 After our story came out,

00:21:41.060 he handed over

00:21:42.140 all his devices

00:21:43.500 with documents

00:21:45.460 and emails

00:21:46.400 and encrypted messages,

00:21:48.300 much of which

00:21:49.540 overlapped

00:21:50.620 with what was

00:21:51.420 on the laptop.

00:21:52.620 But a lot of it

00:21:53.580 new and different,

00:21:54.820 like the WhatsApp messages.

00:21:56.860 And his material

00:21:59.020 was just buried.

00:22:01.300 He was never

00:22:01.800 contacted again.

00:22:03.460 His lawyer

00:22:04.240 actually contacted

00:22:05.520 the grand jury

00:22:06.820 in Delaware

00:22:07.380 that David Weiss

00:22:08.900 was overseeing

00:22:10.060 and offered

00:22:11.020 for him to testify

00:22:12.840 and he never heard back.

00:22:14.500 They didn't want

00:22:15.520 to hear from him.

00:22:16.640 He had met

00:22:17.240 with Joe Biden twice.

00:22:19.660 Joe Biden

00:22:20.060 was vetting him

00:22:20.940 to be the CEO

00:22:21.780 of this joint venture

00:22:23.680 with this company,

00:22:25.080 CEFC.

00:22:27.000 And

00:22:27.600 that was after

00:22:29.160 Joe Biden

00:22:29.840 stepped down

00:22:31.480 as Vice President,

00:22:32.220 I have to say.

00:22:32.760 but

00:22:33.060 the work

00:22:35.740 that the

00:22:36.300 Biden family

00:22:36.940 had been doing

00:22:37.800 for CEFC

00:22:39.140 around the world,

00:22:40.380 opening doors

00:22:41.120 and using the

00:22:41.820 Biden name

00:22:42.500 to extend

00:22:43.380 the Belt and Road

00:22:45.020 Initiative,

00:22:46.100 that had been going

00:22:47.080 on during the last

00:22:48.200 two years

00:22:48.900 of Joe Biden's

00:22:50.420 Vice Presidency.

00:22:52.240 It's just that

00:22:53.020 the money

00:22:53.480 was slated

00:22:54.640 to be paid

00:22:55.340 according to

00:22:55.860 Tony Bobulinski

00:22:56.600 after Joe Biden

00:22:58.600 was no longer

00:22:59.700 Vice President.

00:23:01.580 And what about that?

00:23:02.760 Is it

00:23:03.160 what is the

00:23:04.560 significance

00:23:05.020 if Joe Biden,

00:23:07.100 Jim Biden,

00:23:08.360 Hunter Biden

00:23:09.180 had a deal

00:23:10.400 with this

00:23:11.180 CEFC,

00:23:12.080 this Chinese

00:23:12.640 energy company,

00:23:13.800 very, very closely

00:23:14.920 linked to the

00:23:15.620 Chinese government,

00:23:17.000 that if he had

00:23:18.160 a deal

00:23:18.460 as a private

00:23:19.000 citizen

00:23:19.500 to take money

00:23:20.840 from them

00:23:21.540 in order to try

00:23:22.720 to use the

00:23:23.740 Biden name

00:23:24.400 to open doors

00:23:25.340 for them,

00:23:26.820 would that have

00:23:27.460 been relevant

00:23:27.980 if Joe Biden

00:23:28.920 had not

00:23:30.240 run for

00:23:31.460 and become

00:23:32.000 president?

00:23:32.440 after that?

00:23:35.240 I guess not.

00:23:37.440 You know,

00:23:37.820 I mean,

00:23:38.120 I guess a private

00:23:39.080 citizen,

00:23:39.800 but the real

00:23:41.000 problem with

00:23:41.840 this is that

00:23:42.960 Joe Biden

00:23:43.820 was involved

00:23:44.560 in the

00:23:45.020 influence

00:23:45.460 peddling

00:23:45.840 scheme

00:23:46.260 before that.

00:23:47.120 He was

00:23:47.500 facilitating it.

00:23:49.620 This was

00:23:49.960 something that

00:23:50.980 he'd been

00:23:51.880 used to doing

00:23:52.820 for five

00:23:53.740 decades,

00:23:54.640 you know,

00:23:55.120 since his

00:23:56.060 earliest days

00:23:56.740 as a senator

00:23:57.340 in Delaware

00:23:58.420 getting favours

00:24:00.140 from donors

00:24:01.300 in return

00:24:04.700 for favourable

00:24:05.800 legislation to

00:24:06.740 them.

00:24:07.080 The credit

00:24:07.700 card company

00:24:08.340 MBNA

00:24:08.840 comes to

00:24:09.840 mind.

00:24:10.860 And it's

00:24:12.680 just that

00:24:13.060 when he was

00:24:13.400 vice-president,

00:24:14.140 he internationalised

00:24:15.220 it and he

00:24:16.340 used his son

00:24:17.600 Hunter as

00:24:18.940 the bag

00:24:19.940 man for the

00:24:20.700 family.

00:24:21.080 and Hunter

00:24:21.980 Biden

00:24:22.340 complains

00:24:23.260 about that

00:24:23.780 bitterly

00:24:24.340 in all

00:24:26.040 sorts of

00:24:26.480 missives on

00:24:27.120 the laptop

00:24:27.700 about how

00:24:28.500 he has to

00:24:29.080 support the

00:24:30.080 extended family

00:24:31.020 and, you

00:24:32.280 know,

00:24:32.380 I have to

00:24:32.640 give half

00:24:33.060 my money

00:24:33.540 to dad

00:24:34.960 and to

00:24:35.420 pop,

00:24:36.240 he says

00:24:36.960 to one

00:24:37.440 of his

00:24:37.680 children,

00:24:38.300 you should

00:24:39.400 feel lucky

00:24:40.580 that I

00:24:41.180 don't make

00:24:41.560 you do

00:24:41.900 that.

00:24:42.800 So,

00:24:44.020 you know,

00:24:45.080 that's not

00:24:46.140 really evidence

00:24:47.040 but it does

00:24:47.880 create the

00:24:48.640 narrative and

00:24:49.940 the evidence

00:24:50.880 is that

00:24:51.500 Joe Biden

00:24:52.260 did meet

00:24:52.880 with at

00:24:53.500 least a

00:24:53.980 dozen of

00:24:54.560 Hunter

00:24:54.800 Biden's

00:24:55.340 overseas

00:24:55.640 business

00:24:56.340 partners

00:24:56.860 and Joe

00:24:58.900 Biden

00:24:59.220 told the

00:25:00.180 American

00:25:00.460 people before

00:25:01.160 the election

00:25:01.660 that he

00:25:02.380 knew nothing

00:25:02.920 about Hunter's

00:25:03.860 overseas

00:25:04.520 business

00:25:04.980 dealings.

00:25:05.660 So,

00:25:06.320 that just

00:25:07.280 doesn't square

00:25:08.120 with the

00:25:08.660 evidence that

00:25:09.400 he invited

00:25:11.060 them to

00:25:11.740 his vice

00:25:12.900 presidential

00:25:13.520 residence,

00:25:14.140 that he

00:25:15.120 flew Hunter

00:25:16.000 on Air

00:25:16.720 Force to

00:25:17.380 Beijing

00:25:18.280 where he

00:25:19.060 met with

00:25:19.980 you know,

00:25:20.880 the great

00:25:21.280 and the

00:25:21.520 powerful

00:25:21.900 and where

00:25:23.160 Joe Biden

00:25:23.780 met Hunter's

00:25:24.720 business,

00:25:25.680 Chinese business

00:25:26.460 partner who

00:25:27.220 a few days

00:25:28.520 after they

00:25:29.040 flew out of

00:25:29.640 Beijing signed

00:25:31.260 up Hunter

00:25:31.840 for 10% of

00:25:32.920 a stake in

00:25:33.640 a big equity

00:25:34.920 firm which

00:25:36.360 had I think

00:25:37.200 either $2.5 or

00:25:39.040 $1.5 billion

00:25:39.920 funds under

00:25:41.720 management in

00:25:42.920 2019.

00:25:43.460 So,

00:25:44.720 everywhere that

00:25:46.160 Joe went,

00:25:47.620 Hunter was

00:25:48.120 following along

00:25:48.980 making money.

00:25:50.480 Joe Biden

00:25:51.060 was,

00:25:51.700 you know,

00:25:52.220 the point

00:25:52.600 man for

00:25:53.100 the administration

00:25:53.860 in Ukraine,

00:25:54.580 the most

00:25:54.820 powerful man

00:25:55.480 in the world

00:25:55.940 in Ukraine,

00:25:57.140 and Hunter

00:25:57.880 Biden was

00:25:58.480 making $83,000

00:25:59.840 a month from

00:26:00.700 a corrupt

00:26:01.240 energy company

00:26:02.100 called Burisma,

00:26:04.180 and Joe Biden

00:26:05.320 met with,

00:26:06.200 had dinner

00:26:06.760 with a Burisma

00:26:07.660 executive when

00:26:09.140 he was vice

00:26:09.800 president at

00:26:10.740 Cafe Milano

00:26:11.660 in Georgetown.

00:26:13.100 That was our

00:26:13.700 very first

00:26:14.180 story that

00:26:15.640 we published

00:26:16.200 from the

00:26:16.620 laptop before

00:26:17.640 the 2020

00:26:18.460 election that

00:26:19.780 got censored.

00:26:20.840 Now,

00:26:20.940 we didn't have

00:26:21.440 the details

00:26:22.040 of Cafe Milano,

00:26:23.220 but we had

00:26:23.640 an email from

00:26:24.580 that Burisma

00:26:25.600 executive from

00:26:26.620 Ukraine thanking

00:26:27.520 Hunter for

00:26:28.620 introducing him

00:26:29.540 to his father

00:26:30.520 the previous

00:26:31.240 night.

00:26:32.760 And,

00:26:32.960 you know,

00:26:33.820 it was only,

00:26:35.020 there was

00:26:35.880 denials from

00:26:36.920 the Biden

00:26:37.460 campaign,

00:26:38.220 but six months

00:26:38.960 or eight months

00:26:39.460 later when we

00:26:40.660 uncovered the

00:26:41.460 fact of

00:26:42.000 the Café

00:26:44.060 Milano,

00:26:44.740 that it was

00:26:45.040 a dinner that

00:26:45.760 Joe Biden

00:26:46.240 attended,

00:26:47.000 that Hunter's

00:26:48.000 business partners

00:26:49.040 not just from

00:26:49.720 Ukraine but

00:26:50.660 from Kazakhstan

00:26:51.580 and Russia

00:26:52.400 were also

00:26:53.100 there,

00:26:54.080 that the

00:26:54.980 White House

00:26:55.540 admitted not

00:26:56.540 to us because

00:26:57.220 they won't,

00:26:57.960 but admitted to

00:26:58.800 the Washington

00:26:59.240 Post fact

00:26:59.900 checker who

00:27:00.860 was trying to

00:27:01.540 prove my

00:27:02.560 story wrong.

00:27:04.500 The White

00:27:05.440 House admitted,

00:27:06.120 yes, Joe

00:27:06.600 Biden did go

00:27:07.340 to that dinner,

00:27:08.180 but he didn't

00:27:09.040 go for any

00:27:09.560 nefarious

00:27:09.980 purpose and

00:27:10.720 he was only

00:27:11.680 there a short

00:27:12.240 time.

00:27:12.920 But, you know,

00:27:13.400 it's like being

00:27:13.920 a little bit

00:27:14.340 pregnant,

00:27:14.780 isn't it?

00:27:16.040 Miranda,

00:27:16.640 it's just now

00:27:17.340 dawning on me,

00:27:18.240 forgive me,

00:27:19.180 it's just now

00:27:19.780 dawning on me

00:27:20.380 what you just

00:27:20.840 said,

00:27:21.600 that all along

00:27:23.240 I thought it

00:27:23.740 was corrupt

00:27:24.420 hot mess

00:27:25.600 Hunter

00:27:26.160 exploiting

00:27:27.380 the dad's

00:27:28.320 name and

00:27:29.420 kind of,

00:27:30.040 you know,

00:27:30.500 bringing Joe

00:27:31.020 in on a deal

00:27:31.660 here or there

00:27:32.280 to pay some

00:27:32.840 bills,

00:27:33.320 but that this

00:27:34.140 was a Hunter

00:27:34.640 operation.

00:27:35.620 It's just now

00:27:36.360 dawning on me

00:27:37.000 that, no,

00:27:38.480 this was a

00:27:39.140 Joe Biden

00:27:39.640 operation using

00:27:41.200 Hunter.

00:27:41.740 It's the other

00:27:42.260 way around.

00:27:44.880 Yes, and so

00:27:46.380 I think I do

00:27:47.500 feel a lot of

00:27:48.340 sympathy for

00:27:48.940 Hunter.

00:27:49.340 I mean,

00:27:49.660 you know,

00:27:50.560 his life is a

00:27:51.240 mess.

00:27:52.060 He was a

00:27:52.380 crack addict.

00:27:52.960 I hope, you

00:27:54.080 know, his

00:27:54.360 recovery is

00:27:55.000 going well.

00:27:56.380 But I do

00:27:57.400 feel sorry for

00:27:57.980 him.

00:27:58.180 He had great

00:27:58.640 tragedies in his

00:27:59.600 early life.

00:28:00.280 He lost his

00:28:00.840 mother when he

00:28:01.380 was two years

00:28:02.000 old.

00:28:02.300 He was badly

00:28:02.920 injured with his

00:28:03.660 older brother,

00:28:04.640 beau in

00:28:05.420 that car

00:28:06.340 accident.

00:28:08.720 And, you

00:28:10.580 know, Joe

00:28:12.660 Biden has

00:28:13.240 had this

00:28:13.900 image that

00:28:14.780 he's carefully

00:28:15.380 cultivated for

00:28:16.520 many decades

00:28:17.280 of being such

00:28:18.200 a good father

00:28:19.060 and family

00:28:19.680 man and a

00:28:21.360 man full of

00:28:21.940 empathy because

00:28:22.560 of the

00:28:22.820 grief, genuine

00:28:23.600 grief he

00:28:24.060 himself has

00:28:25.040 suffered, losing

00:28:25.700 his wife and

00:28:26.640 his baby

00:28:28.080 daughter in

00:28:28.740 that car

00:28:29.240 accident.

00:28:30.140 But I also

00:28:31.020 look at the

00:28:31.600 photos from

00:28:32.740 his swearing

00:28:33.400 in.

00:28:33.740 he didn't

00:28:35.680 have to go

00:28:36.400 into the

00:28:37.020 hospital room

00:28:37.840 where his

00:28:38.260 little bandaged

00:28:38.880 boys were

00:28:39.460 lying and

00:28:40.120 have them in

00:28:40.980 the foreground

00:28:41.500 of these

00:28:42.060 photos as he

00:28:42.800 was being

00:28:43.400 sworn in.

00:28:44.200 He could

00:28:44.540 have done

00:28:44.820 it out in

00:28:45.260 the corridor.

00:28:46.620 But no,

00:28:47.840 that, you

00:28:48.580 know, no

00:28:49.240 American could

00:28:49.980 fail to be

00:28:50.780 moved and

00:28:51.640 feel, you

00:28:53.220 know, weepy

00:28:54.420 when you see

00:28:55.100 that photo of

00:28:55.820 those little

00:28:56.180 motherless boys

00:28:57.080 lying in the

00:28:58.380 hospital bed with

00:28:59.300 their father

00:28:59.760 behind them

00:29:00.400 with his

00:29:00.820 hand up

00:29:01.340 swearing an

00:29:02.300 oath.

00:29:03.440 But it's a

00:29:04.280 very cynical

00:29:05.000 photograph and

00:29:06.160 Joe Biden

00:29:06.740 used it in

00:29:07.940 every campaign

00:29:08.860 since and

00:29:09.580 he's traded

00:29:10.280 off that

00:29:11.220 tragedy in

00:29:12.560 his career

00:29:13.400 to, you

00:29:14.180 know, rather

00:29:14.680 a lacklustre

00:29:16.040 intellect to

00:29:17.940 rise to

00:29:18.640 great heights

00:29:19.380 and the

00:29:20.680 sympathy that

00:29:21.520 that tragedy

00:29:22.520 elicited and

00:29:23.200 of course then

00:29:23.820 compounded by

00:29:24.780 the fact that,

00:29:25.540 you know, the

00:29:26.500 favoured son,

00:29:27.340 Beau Biden

00:29:28.240 died tragically

00:29:29.940 of a brain

00:29:30.480 tumour sometime

00:29:31.160 later and he

00:29:31.960 was really

00:29:32.500 Joe Biden's,

00:29:33.940 you know,

00:29:35.740 golden child.

00:29:36.920 The, he was

00:29:37.960 supposed to be

00:29:38.500 president.

00:29:39.340 That was the

00:29:40.260 dynasty that

00:29:41.120 Joe Biden, I

00:29:41.920 think, cares

00:29:42.920 about more than

00:29:43.700 anything else is

00:29:44.580 creating a

00:29:45.240 Kennedy-like

00:29:45.860 dynasty.

00:29:46.720 He even has

00:29:47.580 a sort of

00:29:47.960 Kennedy-like

00:29:48.600 compound in

00:29:49.880 Delaware where

00:29:51.360 he sort of

00:29:52.240 plots his

00:29:52.920 presidential runs.

00:29:54.820 So there has

00:29:56.560 been tragedy

00:29:57.220 in the

00:29:57.540 family but

00:29:58.140 I don't

00:29:59.040 see a lot

00:29:59.480 of empathy

00:29:59.900 really in

00:30:00.560 Joe Biden

00:30:01.100 because he's

00:30:03.660 exploited his

00:30:04.640 son.

00:30:05.540 I mean, that

00:30:06.080 seems a very

00:30:06.740 harsh thing to

00:30:07.520 say but it's

00:30:08.240 what I've

00:30:09.160 observed and,

00:30:11.180 you know, for

00:30:11.500 instance, Hunter

00:30:12.940 Biden did have

00:30:13.660 an addiction

00:30:14.060 problem that,

00:30:16.420 you know, you

00:30:17.200 could expect

00:30:17.820 maybe from

00:30:18.320 someone who

00:30:18.780 suffered early

00:30:19.380 childhood trauma

00:30:20.200 and so what

00:30:21.860 kind of a

00:30:22.440 father puts

00:30:23.680 his addicted

00:30:24.820 son in front

00:30:25.760 of gushing

00:30:26.500 torrents of

00:30:27.200 unaccountable

00:30:28.040 cash, which

00:30:29.180 is exactly

00:30:29.660 what was

00:30:30.020 happening from

00:30:30.640 Ukraine, from

00:30:31.460 China, etc.

00:30:32.680 You would keep

00:30:33.560 your addicted

00:30:34.280 son away from

00:30:35.220 that if you

00:30:35.760 really cared

00:30:36.420 about them.

00:30:37.720 Oh my gosh,

00:30:38.540 these are amazing

00:30:39.200 points.

00:30:39.940 This is giving me

00:30:40.860 just a whole new

00:30:41.580 lens through which

00:30:42.300 to see this

00:30:42.820 entire story and

00:30:44.380 this is exactly

00:30:45.100 contrary to the

00:30:45.800 way the media

00:30:46.240 portrays him and

00:30:47.280 he portrays

00:30:47.960 himself as you're

00:30:48.520 pointing out.

00:30:49.180 I'm thinking now

00:30:49.880 even about

00:30:50.360 Bo Biden and

00:30:51.800 how when Joe

00:30:52.920 Biden was

00:30:53.360 thinking about

00:30:53.900 running for

00:30:54.420 president, he

00:30:55.880 said Bo

00:30:57.240 Biden, you

00:30:58.200 know, wanted

00:30:58.680 him to do

00:30:59.300 it, you know,

00:30:59.900 like a deathbed

00:31:00.760 wish.

00:31:01.980 And now that

00:31:03.760 he is president

00:31:04.500 and he refers

00:31:05.240 to his son

00:31:06.760 who has passed,

00:31:07.980 he says that

00:31:08.700 Bo died in

00:31:09.660 Iraq trying to

00:31:10.980 ratchet up the

00:31:11.840 sympathy I guess

00:31:12.580 we're supposed to

00:31:13.220 feel.

00:31:13.620 But of course,

00:31:14.560 Bo Biden did

00:31:15.320 not die in

00:31:16.420 Iraq.

00:31:17.020 He died from a

00:31:17.840 brain tumor that

00:31:18.540 may have been

00:31:18.900 linked to some

00:31:19.480 of the things

00:31:20.020 that he was

00:31:20.500 exposed to in

00:31:21.180 Iraq.

00:31:21.900 We don't know,

00:31:22.700 but it's just

00:31:24.400 these little

00:31:24.920 manipulations that

00:31:26.020 tug at your

00:31:26.520 heartstrings that

00:31:27.900 are actually

00:31:28.320 incredibly cynical

00:31:29.240 and not not a

00:31:30.800 lovely example of

00:31:32.000 a loving father.

00:31:33.380 And, you know,

00:31:34.040 we could talk

00:31:34.480 about the

00:31:35.000 the unacknowledged

00:31:36.080 granddaughter now

00:31:37.120 and, you know,

00:31:37.740 while still the

00:31:38.960 team around him

00:31:40.000 meets and

00:31:41.240 strategizes over

00:31:42.480 how to keep

00:31:43.900 that out of the

00:31:44.600 news and to

00:31:45.680 dodge reporters

00:31:46.580 questions.

00:31:47.060 I mean, you

00:31:47.860 know, you can

00:31:48.140 just see the

00:31:48.760 whole thing

00:31:49.340 coming together.

00:31:51.460 It's it's dark.

00:31:53.520 Miranda, can you

00:31:54.280 stick stick around?

00:31:55.500 There's a lot.

00:31:56.280 We didn't get to

00:31:56.740 the one eye.

00:31:57.780 I want to talk

00:31:58.600 about Abby Lowell's

00:31:59.400 letter defending

00:32:00.080 that.

00:32:00.380 That's Hunter's

00:32:00.820 lawyer.

00:32:01.140 He's now attacking

00:32:01.820 the whistleblower

00:32:02.480 and and the

00:32:03.600 whistleblower's

00:32:04.180 lawyers fighting

00:32:04.800 back.

00:32:05.740 And now Hunter's

00:32:06.960 team is raising

00:32:08.080 new doubts again

00:32:09.900 about the laptop

00:32:11.660 as not legit.

00:32:12.840 That's your story.

00:32:13.560 So stand by.

00:32:14.820 We're going to

00:32:15.080 come back with

00:32:15.520 Miranda.

00:32:16.000 What a day.

00:32:16.520 Isn't this

00:32:17.040 unbelievable?

00:32:17.820 This is riveting.

00:32:18.540 She's riveting.

00:32:19.120 She's got so much

00:32:19.800 information and

00:32:20.740 like unlike a lot

00:32:21.900 of us, she

00:32:22.260 remembers it.

00:32:23.320 She delivers it

00:32:24.060 linearly.

00:32:24.780 I love Miranda

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00:33:01.340 Miranda, let's talk

00:33:02.300 just a little bit

00:33:03.080 more about Gal

00:33:05.540 Luft because one

00:33:07.180 of the things that

00:33:08.260 he revealed and you

00:33:09.360 revealed in your

00:33:10.720 reporting was an

00:33:12.240 allegation that when

00:33:13.100 he met with the

00:33:14.080 FBI and the

00:33:15.000 DOJ in March of

00:33:16.120 19 in Brussels, he

00:33:18.160 revealed to them

00:33:19.140 some of what you

00:33:20.080 and I just

00:33:20.520 discussed,

00:33:21.140 specifically that

00:33:22.920 the Bidens had a

00:33:25.140 mole inside the

00:33:26.980 FBI who was

00:33:28.420 funneling them

00:33:29.260 information that

00:33:31.160 might be relevant to

00:33:32.040 their friends in

00:33:32.720 China at the

00:33:33.580 CEFC, that Hunter

00:33:35.580 Biden passed that

00:33:36.400 information along to

00:33:37.740 these friends at the

00:33:38.400 CEFC.

00:33:39.020 And as you pointed

00:33:39.480 out, it led one

00:33:40.660 to flee the

00:33:42.060 country and

00:33:43.240 another one tried,

00:33:44.160 but he got caught

00:33:44.760 and he was tried

00:33:45.320 and found guilty

00:33:45.920 over here in

00:33:46.440 America.

00:33:47.720 That alleged

00:33:48.780 mole, according

00:33:49.780 to Luft, was

00:33:51.040 named One Eye

00:33:52.400 and that's the

00:33:54.000 person who is

00:33:54.540 tipping off these

00:33:56.400 Chinese associates.

00:33:58.180 Now, that has

00:33:59.300 led to a lot of

00:33:59.960 speculation that

00:34:00.900 it's Louis Free,

00:34:02.300 who used to be

00:34:03.160 the FBI director

00:34:04.300 and thanks to an

00:34:06.340 accident he had,

00:34:07.700 only has one eye.

00:34:09.480 However, he left

00:34:11.080 the FBI as

00:34:11.800 director in 2001.

00:34:14.260 He was there under

00:34:14.860 Bill Clinton.

00:34:15.900 So he's no longer

00:34:16.700 in the FBI,

00:34:17.820 though obviously

00:34:18.300 has connections.

00:34:19.760 So what do we

00:34:20.740 know about this

00:34:21.740 one eye?

00:34:22.660 And we also know

00:34:23.180 Louis Free is close

00:34:23.940 with the Bidens,

00:34:24.720 which is another

00:34:25.160 reason why people

00:34:25.780 started thinking

00:34:26.200 about him.

00:34:26.540 But, you know,

00:34:27.540 what do we know

00:34:28.180 about his

00:34:28.620 connection, if any,

00:34:29.400 to all of this?

00:34:32.040 Look, yes.

00:34:33.420 And I think

00:34:34.900 Gal Luft

00:34:35.600 certainly thinks

00:34:37.300 it's him,

00:34:38.400 but that doesn't

00:34:39.860 mean that it is.

00:34:41.320 And, you know,

00:34:41.840 I want to be careful

00:34:42.720 and not introduce

00:34:44.520 anybody by name.

00:34:48.700 I think

00:34:49.900 Gal Luft

00:34:51.960 has been told

00:34:53.080 something by

00:34:54.940 his Chinese

00:34:56.280 business partners

00:34:57.520 who also are

00:34:58.820 giving money

00:35:00.440 to the Bidens

00:35:01.300 and are close

00:35:01.960 to Hunter Biden.

00:35:02.660 it is possible

00:35:05.220 that Hunter

00:35:06.060 Biden,

00:35:06.900 Hunter Biden

00:35:07.560 certainly must

00:35:08.580 have had a

00:35:09.080 mole in the

00:35:09.820 FBI somehow

00:35:10.780 because that

00:35:12.520 information

00:35:13.160 was true

00:35:14.840 that the FBI

00:35:15.780 was investigating

00:35:16.800 Patrick Ho

00:35:17.600 and the rest

00:35:18.920 of the CEFC

00:35:19.640 crowd.

00:35:21.680 And they were

00:35:22.580 shortly,

00:35:23.540 you know,

00:35:24.820 arrested.

00:35:25.360 Patrick Ho

00:35:25.720 was arrested.

00:35:26.380 So it seems

00:35:27.340 that that tip

00:35:28.140 off was accurate.

00:35:29.100 But whether

00:35:30.300 or not

00:35:30.820 it was

00:35:31.780 actually,

00:35:33.180 you know,

00:35:34.580 Louis Free

00:35:35.320 or someone

00:35:35.720 with one eye,

00:35:37.220 we don't know

00:35:38.000 because Hunter

00:35:38.540 Biden does

00:35:39.260 tell a lot

00:35:40.740 of different

00:35:41.420 stories to

00:35:42.100 different people.

00:35:43.380 And it

00:35:45.000 could have

00:35:45.360 been that

00:35:46.340 and also

00:35:47.960 we know

00:35:49.340 that there

00:35:50.700 were other

00:35:51.140 FBI,

00:35:51.780 there are other

00:35:52.240 FBI names

00:35:53.060 that are on

00:35:53.420 the laptop.

00:35:53.880 There were

00:35:54.740 other FBI

00:35:55.800 including a

00:35:57.640 corrupt

00:35:58.040 someone who

00:35:59.260 Charles McGonigal

00:36:00.400 who's been

00:36:01.380 charged with

00:36:02.020 corruption,

00:36:02.700 who was the

00:36:03.120 head of the

00:36:03.680 New York

00:36:04.320 counter-intel

00:36:06.500 office of the

00:36:07.420 FBI at one

00:36:08.240 point.

00:36:09.360 So we know

00:36:10.840 that Hunter

00:36:11.200 had some

00:36:11.620 dealings with

00:36:12.180 him as well.

00:36:12.860 So there are

00:36:13.680 a number of

00:36:14.220 different suspects

00:36:15.040 and it

00:36:16.600 would be

00:36:17.400 probably

00:36:18.100 smart of

00:36:19.540 Hunter to

00:36:20.280 throw the

00:36:20.920 trail off

00:36:21.560 to tell the

00:36:22.420 Chinese that

00:36:23.200 yes,

00:36:23.540 Louis Free

00:36:24.000 is my

00:36:24.720 mole

00:36:25.440 because

00:36:26.200 Louis Free

00:36:26.920 quite legitimately

00:36:27.940 in his

00:36:28.440 business

00:36:28.980 did come

00:36:31.040 in on a

00:36:31.700 Romanian deal

00:36:33.080 that they

00:36:33.440 were doing.

00:36:33.980 He was

00:36:34.200 brought in

00:36:34.600 to try

00:36:34.880 and help

00:36:35.260 with his

00:36:37.080 lobbying firm

00:36:37.820 try and

00:36:38.440 help get

00:36:39.780 an oligarch

00:36:41.760 who was

00:36:42.140 paying Hunter

00:36:42.940 millions of

00:36:43.640 dollars,

00:36:44.640 get him

00:36:44.940 off some

00:36:45.420 corruption

00:36:47.120 charge in

00:36:47.840 Romania.

00:36:49.360 So it

00:36:50.560 would sort

00:36:51.000 of make

00:36:51.300 sense that

00:36:51.740 the Chinese

00:36:52.280 might have

00:36:52.680 thought,

00:36:53.080 oh,

00:36:53.280 well,

00:36:53.520 that must

00:36:54.160 be

00:36:54.580 the

00:36:55.120 mole

00:36:55.480 because

00:36:55.920 he

00:36:56.180 was

00:36:56.400 an

00:36:56.560 FBI

00:36:56.920 director

00:36:57.540 and

00:36:57.960 they

00:37:00.080 nicknamed

00:37:00.580 him

00:37:00.840 one

00:37:01.140 eye

00:37:01.320 because

00:37:01.600 he

00:37:01.960 has

00:37:02.120 one

00:37:02.340 eye.

00:37:03.660 So it

00:37:04.980 doesn't

00:37:05.280 necessarily

00:37:05.700 follow from

00:37:06.480 that one

00:37:07.920 eye really

00:37:08.520 was the

00:37:09.740 FBI

00:37:10.140 mole.

00:37:11.340 And so I

00:37:12.540 think we

00:37:12.780 just need to

00:37:13.220 be careful

00:37:13.720 about that.

00:37:14.880 And obviously

00:37:15.580 speculation.

00:37:16.660 Yeah.

00:37:17.060 And by the

00:37:17.500 way,

00:37:17.760 it's possible

00:37:19.780 Louis Free

00:37:20.420 has two

00:37:21.360 eyes.

00:37:22.040 It's just

00:37:22.360 that he

00:37:22.600 has suffered

00:37:22.940 an injury

00:37:23.420 that makes

00:37:23.880 it look

00:37:24.640 like he

00:37:25.440 only has

00:37:25.800 one.

00:37:26.280 So in

00:37:27.600 any way,

00:37:27.960 so we

00:37:28.260 don't know

00:37:28.560 that's

00:37:28.840 that's

00:37:29.260 important.

00:37:29.620 And we've

00:37:29.860 been careful

00:37:30.140 not to

00:37:30.460 impugn

00:37:30.800 Louis Free

00:37:31.220 either.

00:37:31.580 But that's

00:37:32.880 the speculation

00:37:33.400 that's gone

00:37:33.980 rampant online

00:37:34.820 in the wake

00:37:35.320 of this

00:37:36.100 guy coming

00:37:36.540 forward,

00:37:36.920 Gal Loft,

00:37:37.400 and offering

00:37:38.340 his testimonial.

00:37:39.120 So good

00:37:39.980 to know.

00:37:41.760 Let's shift

00:37:42.480 gears a little

00:37:43.080 bit into the

00:37:43.780 IRS investigation

00:37:44.960 into Hunter

00:37:45.720 because when

00:37:47.520 it landed

00:37:48.060 with a

00:37:48.540 whimper,

00:37:49.340 we had

00:37:49.620 these two

00:37:50.080 IRS

00:37:50.600 whistleblowers

00:37:51.440 come forward

00:37:51.940 to say

00:37:52.200 this whole

00:37:52.620 thing is

00:37:53.600 BS.

00:37:54.240 The fix is

00:37:54.780 in.

00:37:55.480 We were

00:37:55.660 stopped by

00:37:56.080 the DOJ

00:37:56.520 from doing

00:37:56.940 a real

00:37:57.260 investigation.

00:37:58.660 This guy,

00:37:59.120 David Weiss,

00:37:59.700 who's the

00:37:59.920 U.S.

00:38:00.200 Attorney for

00:38:00.620 Delaware,

00:38:01.460 was stopped

00:38:02.000 from bringing

00:38:02.540 more severe

00:38:03.380 charges in

00:38:04.200 California

00:38:04.720 and in

00:38:06.060 D.C.

00:38:06.960 And he

00:38:07.420 told us

00:38:07.940 at the

00:38:08.160 time that

00:38:08.580 he was

00:38:08.780 being

00:38:09.040 stopped

00:38:09.520 and that

00:38:09.900 the DOJ

00:38:11.800 wasn't being

00:38:12.200 that cooperative

00:38:12.760 even though

00:38:13.360 now David

00:38:14.300 Weiss and

00:38:15.000 Merrick Garland

00:38:15.580 are on the

00:38:16.040 same page

00:38:16.560 saying,

00:38:16.940 oh no,

00:38:17.780 I have

00:38:18.100 ultimate

00:38:18.420 authority.

00:38:18.880 And if I

00:38:20.240 need more,

00:38:20.980 I can

00:38:21.200 always go

00:38:21.560 to Merrick

00:38:22.020 Garland.

00:38:22.620 It's a lot

00:38:23.160 of lawyer

00:38:24.320 legalese

00:38:25.040 language if

00:38:25.740 you read

00:38:26.020 what they're

00:38:26.260 saying.

00:38:26.960 It seems

00:38:27.460 to leave

00:38:27.780 open a lot

00:38:28.260 of questions

00:38:28.800 which they're

00:38:29.680 refusing to

00:38:30.140 answer.

00:38:30.500 As you

00:38:30.680 point out,

00:38:31.480 David Weiss

00:38:31.820 just blew

00:38:32.340 off the

00:38:32.780 House

00:38:32.960 Oversight

00:38:33.300 Committee

00:38:33.560 on a

00:38:33.860 deadline

00:38:34.120 last night

00:38:34.700 to provide

00:38:35.520 documents

00:38:36.060 and other

00:38:36.580 materials

00:38:36.940 that might

00:38:37.280 answer

00:38:37.600 some of

00:38:37.840 the

00:38:37.920 questions

00:38:38.240 left by

00:38:38.680 this

00:38:38.940 weird

00:38:39.440 exchange

00:38:40.000 between

00:38:40.680 Merrick

00:38:40.980 Garland

00:38:41.340 and David

00:38:41.920 Weiss.

00:38:42.660 So there's

00:38:42.900 just blowing

00:38:43.340 off House

00:38:43.780 Oversight

00:38:44.140 now,

00:38:44.400 again saying

00:38:45.200 the investigation

00:38:46.320 is still

00:38:46.740 open and

00:38:47.660 we have a

00:38:47.980 criminal case

00:38:48.460 pending against

00:38:49.140 Hunter.

00:38:49.660 You know,

00:38:49.800 the plea

00:38:50.060 deal is not

00:38:50.460 final.

00:38:51.120 So it's

00:38:51.980 very convenient

00:38:52.720 for those

00:38:53.280 that we want

00:38:53.920 answers from.

00:38:55.140 But I want

00:38:55.720 to get to

00:38:56.240 what's happening

00:38:56.880 with Hunter's

00:38:57.660 lawyer.

00:38:58.340 He hired

00:38:58.700 Abby Lowell,

00:38:59.480 who's a big

00:38:59.940 swinging,

00:39:00.700 you know,

00:39:01.260 DC type

00:39:01.880 lawyer.

00:39:02.400 And Abby

00:39:03.140 Lowell is going

00:39:03.740 after these

00:39:04.700 whistleblowers,

00:39:06.060 Shapley in

00:39:06.940 particular,

00:39:07.340 but hard

00:39:08.660 saying these

00:39:10.400 are partisan

00:39:10.820 hacks,

00:39:11.320 basically.

00:39:12.760 The reporting

00:39:13.720 I've read

00:39:14.060 suggests they're

00:39:14.540 Democrats,

00:39:15.180 but he's

00:39:16.920 saying that

00:39:17.480 they've been

00:39:18.120 out to

00:39:19.200 thwart this

00:39:19.880 investigation and

00:39:20.740 unfairly target

00:39:21.800 Hunter from the

00:39:22.460 beginning,

00:39:23.380 suggesting that

00:39:23.980 they actually

00:39:24.400 leaked confidential

00:39:25.440 taxpayer information

00:39:26.560 about Hunter to

00:39:27.380 the Washington

00:39:27.840 Post months

00:39:29.200 ago,

00:39:29.640 which would

00:39:30.040 have been a

00:39:30.300 violation of

00:39:30.800 federal law

00:39:31.440 and some

00:39:32.980 other mud

00:39:33.560 that Abby

00:39:34.340 Lowell is trying

00:39:34.760 to swing on

00:39:35.300 Hunter's behalf.

00:39:36.260 The whistleblower

00:39:36.820 comes out.

00:39:37.380 I reported this

00:39:37.880 yesterday and I

00:39:39.380 mean,

00:39:39.520 we brought it to

00:39:40.120 our audience

00:39:40.460 yesterday.

00:39:41.000 Others reported

00:39:41.580 it saying I

00:39:43.680 will.

00:39:44.340 Here's my sworn

00:39:45.320 testimony saying

00:39:46.260 none of that is

00:39:46.760 true.

00:39:47.160 I have never met

00:39:47.860 these reporters or

00:39:48.640 anybody at the

00:39:49.200 Washington Post.

00:39:50.000 I've never leaked.

00:39:51.460 I'll do.

00:39:52.800 I'll say to

00:39:53.440 anybody,

00:39:53.720 I release any

00:39:54.680 reporter I've ever

00:39:55.480 spoken to at the

00:39:56.760 Washington Post or

00:39:57.460 elsewhere from any

00:39:58.980 obligation to hold

00:40:00.140 me confidential as

00:40:01.120 their source.

00:40:02.160 Come on out.

00:40:02.700 Admit it's me if it

00:40:03.420 was me and

00:40:04.620 nothing.

00:40:05.740 Nothing has been

00:40:06.500 said by the

00:40:07.020 Washington Post.

00:40:08.460 And so they're

00:40:09.500 going on offense

00:40:10.740 now and

00:40:12.000 hunters.

00:40:12.860 I'm sorry.

00:40:15.060 And now the

00:40:16.160 whistleblower's

00:40:16.960 lawyer has come

00:40:18.000 out complaining

00:40:18.920 today that these

00:40:20.320 Washington Post

00:40:21.200 reporters are

00:40:22.580 remaining awfully

00:40:23.520 silent, leading

00:40:24.840 him to believe

00:40:25.620 that they know

00:40:26.900 it's not the

00:40:27.460 whistleblower who

00:40:28.180 leaked to them.

00:40:29.060 It may have

00:40:30.120 been somebody

00:40:32.000 like the

00:40:33.940 prosecutors

00:40:34.520 themselves.

00:40:35.000 It may have

00:40:36.000 been hunters

00:40:36.940 lawyers who

00:40:38.360 leaked some of

00:40:39.020 this information

00:40:39.600 so that they

00:40:40.160 could dirty up

00:40:41.060 the IRS

00:40:42.220 agents investigating

00:40:43.360 him.

00:40:43.700 It gets very

00:40:44.320 convoluted.

00:40:45.460 But what's

00:40:45.960 happening here?

00:40:48.840 Yes.

00:40:49.200 And look,

00:40:49.620 I'm really glad

00:40:50.560 that Gary

00:40:51.040 Shackley's lawyers

00:40:51.980 have done the

00:40:53.460 forensic on that

00:40:54.740 Washington Post

00:40:55.620 article and

00:40:57.000 highlighted the

00:40:58.660 lines in there

00:40:59.780 that, you

00:41:01.120 know, journalists

00:41:02.000 know the code.

00:41:03.360 It's, you

00:41:03.660 know, it's not

00:41:04.580 law enforcement

00:41:05.380 sources or, you

00:41:08.600 know, sources

00:41:09.180 inside the

00:41:09.860 investigation.

00:41:10.580 It's sources

00:41:10.980 familiar with,

00:41:12.180 which is always

00:41:13.140 code for one

00:41:15.640 step removed.

00:41:17.080 And, you

00:41:17.440 know, when I

00:41:17.840 first read that

00:41:18.900 Washington Post

00:41:19.500 story with the

00:41:20.580 quite heavy

00:41:22.180 duty leaks from

00:41:23.260 that investigation,

00:41:24.400 which up until

00:41:24.980 then had been

00:41:26.380 rock solid and

00:41:27.580 tight.

00:41:28.660 No leaks.

00:41:30.560 My first

00:41:31.400 instinct was,

00:41:32.720 oh, that's

00:41:33.080 come from

00:41:33.880 Hunter Biden's

00:41:34.740 lawyers.

00:41:35.820 They're trying

00:41:36.640 to do a

00:41:37.780 kind of a

00:41:38.120 limited hangout

00:41:39.280 and put

00:41:40.840 pressure on

00:41:41.620 the investigators.

00:41:43.720 And that's

00:41:45.260 exactly what

00:41:45.880 did happen

00:41:46.560 internally.

00:41:48.560 And so

00:41:50.340 the ruse

00:41:50.860 worked, if

00:41:51.940 that was the

00:41:52.440 case.

00:41:53.400 Can I say

00:41:53.720 this?

00:41:54.980 If that's

00:41:55.640 what actually

00:41:56.060 happened, then

00:41:56.700 the Washington

00:41:57.160 Post, in my

00:41:57.940 view, did

00:41:58.280 something very

00:41:58.840 unethical, because

00:42:00.020 if a source came

00:42:01.360 to me with

00:42:01.800 information, let's

00:42:02.640 say it was a

00:42:03.040 defense attorney

00:42:03.560 for Hunter

00:42:04.000 Biden, saying,

00:42:05.120 let me give you

00:42:05.500 all this

00:42:05.740 information about

00:42:06.280 what's happening

00:42:06.740 in the tax

00:42:07.220 investigation into

00:42:08.360 him.

00:42:08.760 And I said,

00:42:09.400 great.

00:42:09.740 And I reported

00:42:10.740 it.

00:42:11.400 And then the

00:42:12.300 source wanted

00:42:13.360 his, as the

00:42:14.940 actual Hunter

00:42:15.700 Biden lawyer,

00:42:16.920 quote to me,

00:42:17.860 Megyn Kelly, on

00:42:18.580 the record to be,

00:42:19.860 I decry these

00:42:20.700 leaks.

00:42:21.720 This is outrageous

00:42:22.540 what's being done

00:42:23.240 to my client.

00:42:24.220 I would not

00:42:24.740 allow that.

00:42:25.300 I would not

00:42:26.060 knowingly dupe

00:42:27.800 my audience in

00:42:28.540 that way.

00:42:29.480 And I think

00:42:29.920 any other solid

00:42:30.800 reporter would

00:42:31.420 refuse to do

00:42:32.320 that.

00:42:32.980 You'd have to

00:42:33.400 say, you're

00:42:33.960 going to have

00:42:34.220 to think of

00:42:34.580 another quote

00:42:35.120 if you want

00:42:35.620 to get into

00:42:35.980 this piece

00:42:36.420 on the record.

00:42:37.300 That's not

00:42:37.880 going to fly.

00:42:38.400 So if the

00:42:38.760 Washington Post

00:42:39.300 did that,

00:42:40.360 they did

00:42:40.720 something

00:42:40.980 unethical.

00:42:42.760 Yes.

00:42:43.340 And when you

00:42:43.720 look at the

00:42:44.380 Washington Post's

00:42:45.640 coverage of the

00:42:46.880 Abbey Lowell

00:42:47.420 letter, it's a

00:42:49.300 different reporter

00:42:50.160 from the one

00:42:50.920 who published

00:42:52.060 the leak

00:42:52.640 many months

00:42:54.120 earlier.

00:42:55.540 And also, they

00:42:57.540 just very

00:42:58.060 carefully quote

00:42:59.120 Abbey Lowell.

00:43:00.660 And Abbey Lowell

00:43:01.980 is the one,

00:43:02.960 Hunter's lawyer,

00:43:03.820 very expensive

00:43:04.620 lawyer, who is

00:43:05.760 making those

00:43:06.460 allegations.

00:43:08.020 And Abbey Lowell

00:43:09.580 wasn't actually

00:43:10.460 Hunter Biden's

00:43:11.240 lawyer at the

00:43:12.000 time of the

00:43:12.740 leaks, I don't

00:43:13.500 think.

00:43:14.640 So it could

00:43:16.460 easily be someone

00:43:17.480 else.

00:43:17.780 He's trying to

00:43:19.040 dirty them

00:43:20.740 up as

00:43:21.120 scumbags.

00:43:22.540 And he's

00:43:22.920 got no

00:43:23.280 evidence to

00:43:24.180 that effect.

00:43:25.920 No.

00:43:26.340 And what

00:43:26.920 whistleblower,

00:43:28.480 you know, if

00:43:29.200 Shapley had

00:43:30.260 been the

00:43:30.660 leaker, he

00:43:31.180 certainly

00:43:31.460 wouldn't sign

00:43:32.480 a sworn

00:43:32.900 statement and

00:43:33.720 say that he

00:43:34.640 wasn't the

00:43:35.100 leaker and

00:43:35.540 make this

00:43:36.080 into such a

00:43:36.800 public issue.

00:43:38.300 That takes

00:43:39.180 a leak and

00:43:40.440 makes it into

00:43:40.960 a felony,

00:43:41.480 which he

00:43:41.660 doesn't need

00:43:42.100 right now.

00:43:42.600 All right.

00:43:42.840 So that's

00:43:43.240 what's happening

00:43:43.900 there.

00:43:45.740 Let's talk

00:43:46.340 for a minute

00:43:46.700 about the

00:43:47.100 cocaine White

00:43:47.920 House.

00:43:48.260 You know,

00:43:48.440 cocaine bear

00:43:49.000 this is

00:43:49.340 cocaine White

00:43:49.820 House.

00:43:51.340 Now they've

00:43:52.160 changed the

00:43:52.820 location of

00:43:53.480 the cocaine

00:43:54.140 yet again.

00:43:55.880 Now it's a

00:43:56.620 brand new

00:43:57.000 location where

00:43:57.940 it was originally

00:43:58.700 in some public

00:43:59.340 area or it was

00:44:00.120 a library and

00:44:01.220 it was a

00:44:01.540 West Wing

00:44:01.880 cubby.

00:44:02.700 And now

00:44:02.860 they're saying

00:44:03.140 it was closer

00:44:03.560 to the

00:44:03.820 situation room.

00:44:04.960 But once

00:44:05.740 again,

00:44:06.160 cautioning

00:44:06.560 everybody,

00:44:07.120 oh, it

00:44:07.380 may be

00:44:07.720 impossible.

00:44:08.840 It may

00:44:09.060 just be

00:44:09.380 impossible to

00:44:09.960 ever find

00:44:10.440 anybody.

00:44:11.880 What do

00:44:12.760 you make of

00:44:13.080 what's

00:44:13.240 happening with

00:44:14.100 cocaine White

00:44:14.580 House?

00:44:15.940 Well,

00:44:16.480 another

00:44:16.800 cover up.

00:44:17.440 Of course,

00:44:17.940 it's not

00:44:18.360 impossible.

00:44:19.220 This is the

00:44:19.740 most secured

00:44:20.720 location in

00:44:22.360 the entire

00:44:22.940 country.

00:44:23.520 They've got

00:44:24.020 cameras everywhere.

00:44:25.240 They've got

00:44:25.560 secret service

00:44:26.420 everywhere.

00:44:27.080 They know

00:44:28.180 what's going

00:44:29.020 on.

00:44:29.520 The only

00:44:30.340 people allowed

00:44:31.160 into that

00:44:31.700 area,

00:44:32.700 they know

00:44:33.980 every detail

00:44:34.740 about them.

00:44:35.560 They have to

00:44:36.140 be pre-vetted

00:44:37.620 and signed

00:44:38.340 in.

00:44:38.780 They're

00:44:38.960 staffers.

00:44:39.920 They're, you

00:44:41.120 know, people

00:44:41.580 from agencies

00:44:42.400 with security

00:44:43.700 clearances.

00:44:44.280 So there's

00:44:45.860 just no

00:44:46.400 way.

00:44:46.800 And the

00:44:48.140 way the

00:44:48.500 story has

00:44:49.080 changed, the

00:44:51.060 paucity of

00:44:52.260 information, and

00:44:54.180 then this

00:44:54.800 sort of, I

00:44:56.560 don't know,

00:44:57.440 like setting

00:44:58.800 us up to

00:44:59.740 not expect

00:45:00.620 an answer, to

00:45:01.460 try and lower

00:45:02.180 expectations of

00:45:03.460 knowing eventually

00:45:05.760 who the

00:45:06.160 culprit is.

00:45:07.300 And the

00:45:07.580 other interesting

00:45:08.100 thing I thought

00:45:08.760 yesterday was

00:45:09.580 when they

00:45:10.040 changed the

00:45:10.920 location for

00:45:11.600 the third

00:45:11.940 time to

00:45:13.420 the outside

00:45:14.040 the situation

00:45:14.680 room, they

00:45:15.480 said it was

00:45:15.960 CBS actually

00:45:17.360 reported this

00:45:18.120 that to

00:45:19.320 describe the

00:45:20.060 location, it's

00:45:21.780 just near the

00:45:22.600 entrance to

00:45:23.440 the parking

00:45:24.160 lot where,

00:45:25.280 say, the

00:45:25.960 vice president

00:45:27.300 parks her

00:45:28.080 car.

00:45:28.940 So that, of

00:45:29.720 course, leads

00:45:30.280 to another

00:45:31.180 flight of

00:45:33.140 fancy about

00:45:34.800 Kamala Harris

00:45:35.600 and why she

00:45:36.180 laughs so much

00:45:37.100 uproariously.

00:45:37.840 Maybe, you

00:45:38.720 know, she's

00:45:39.660 chemically

00:45:40.300 assisted in

00:45:41.080 somewhere.

00:45:41.600 I mean, I'm

00:45:42.020 being obviously

00:45:42.860 facetious and

00:45:43.900 hypocusers.

00:45:46.640 There's a new

00:45:47.420 twist.

00:45:48.840 She does seem

00:45:49.440 high all the

00:45:50.140 time when she's

00:45:51.040 speaking gibberish.

00:45:53.400 But, you

00:45:54.420 know, maybe

00:45:54.840 that's just a

00:45:55.700 misdirection by

00:45:56.700 the White

00:45:57.080 House to

00:45:57.600 throw Kamala

00:45:58.600 under the

00:45:59.080 bus because

00:46:00.220 she's in the

00:46:00.900 way of

00:46:01.360 Gavin Newsom.

00:46:02.100 Who knows?

00:46:02.840 I mean, that

00:46:03.720 is a White

00:46:04.260 House, but

00:46:05.040 it's a nest

00:46:06.280 of vipers and

00:46:07.300 there's

00:46:08.600 Machiavellian

00:46:09.800 goings-on

00:46:10.520 around every

00:46:11.100 corner.

00:46:11.600 So I think

00:46:12.000 you can never

00:46:12.560 take anything

00:46:13.160 at face

00:46:13.600 value.

00:46:14.520 Well, here's

00:46:14.780 what's crazy.

00:46:15.300 There's this

00:46:15.580 thing called

00:46:15.900 a Hatch Act,

00:46:16.580 which doesn't

00:46:17.080 have any sort

00:46:17.680 of criminal

00:46:18.100 penalties or

00:46:19.100 enforcement

00:46:19.700 mechanisms, but

00:46:20.480 it doesn't

00:46:21.700 allow the

00:46:22.200 White House

00:46:22.700 to get

00:46:23.860 involved in

00:46:24.320 campaign

00:46:24.680 politics.

00:46:25.960 And that's

00:46:26.860 good, but it

00:46:28.160 doesn't excuse

00:46:29.040 the White House

00:46:29.820 from answering

00:46:30.420 questions about

00:46:31.400 cocaine White

00:46:32.100 House.

00:46:33.000 And yet they

00:46:33.720 tried to rely on

00:46:34.680 that.

00:46:34.900 We only have the

00:46:35.380 audio tape of it,

00:46:36.160 but here's the

00:46:36.660 deputy press

00:46:37.400 secretary on

00:46:38.220 audio, Andrew

00:46:39.020 Bates, trying

00:46:40.000 to invoke the

00:46:40.620 Hatch Act

00:46:41.200 yesterday as a

00:46:41.980 reason why he

00:46:42.480 couldn't get into

00:46:42.980 cocaine White

00:46:43.560 House.

00:46:43.860 Listen.

00:46:45.220 Former President

00:46:45.760 Trump has made

00:46:46.300 some pretty wild

00:46:47.380 posts recently on

00:46:48.460 social media.

00:46:49.540 One of them was

00:46:50.280 that the cocaine

00:46:51.460 found in the

00:46:51.860 White House

00:46:52.280 had belonged to

00:46:54.200 either the

00:46:54.920 president or his

00:46:55.580 son.

00:46:56.220 Are you willing

00:46:56.540 to say that

00:46:57.640 that's not the

00:46:58.160 case, that they

00:46:59.060 don't belong to

00:46:59.520 them?

00:46:59.680 I don't have a

00:47:02.640 response to that

00:47:03.580 because we have

00:47:04.140 to be careful

00:47:05.020 about the

00:47:05.640 Hatch Act.

00:47:08.800 Okay, because

00:47:09.940 Trump said it,

00:47:11.640 you can't respond

00:47:12.740 to whether it's

00:47:13.680 true because of

00:47:14.880 the Hatch Act?

00:47:15.860 Nice try.

00:47:18.240 Yeah, that was a

00:47:19.360 really curious

00:47:20.160 answer.

00:47:20.820 And what it tells

00:47:21.580 me is they would

00:47:22.320 have workshopped

00:47:22.980 it beforehand.

00:47:24.020 They don't know

00:47:25.160 if it's hunters

00:47:26.160 or not.

00:47:27.240 So I guess they

00:47:28.640 don't want to be

00:47:29.120 caught out.

00:47:29.680 Lying if it

00:47:30.660 somehow does

00:47:31.320 come out.

00:47:33.360 And so what's

00:47:34.200 likely to happen

00:47:34.780 here, Miranda?

00:47:35.300 What's likely to

00:47:35.780 happen with all

00:47:36.300 of this?

00:47:36.960 Cocaine White

00:47:37.460 House, but more

00:47:38.320 importantly, the

00:47:39.440 blackout on what

00:47:41.060 we're now hearing

00:47:41.820 in your reporting

00:47:42.820 and from this

00:47:43.320 guy, Love?

00:47:44.940 Look, I think

00:47:45.840 that the avalanche

00:47:46.920 of evidence

00:47:47.700 against particularly

00:47:50.260 Joe Biden is

00:47:51.160 going to become

00:47:51.900 politically

00:47:52.860 unpalatable at

00:47:54.700 some point and

00:47:55.540 he will end up

00:47:57.160 sort of escaping

00:47:58.740 and maybe

00:47:59.960 nothing will ever

00:48:01.740 happen.

00:48:03.540 Wow, really?

00:48:04.480 I thought that was

00:48:04.940 going to end a

00:48:05.340 different way.

00:48:06.080 I don't know.

00:48:06.960 I feel like if this

00:48:07.600 keeps going, this

00:48:09.560 may be the excuse

00:48:10.300 the Democrats need

00:48:11.020 to push him out,

00:48:12.160 you know, to get...

00:48:12.860 Well, yes, push

00:48:13.920 him out, but he'll

00:48:15.020 never face

00:48:15.880 accountability for

00:48:17.500 the bribery or

00:48:18.780 the cover-up.

00:48:19.880 And that will be

00:48:20.620 convenient for them.

00:48:21.520 They'll push him

00:48:22.020 out and then he'll

00:48:23.160 plead health issues

00:48:24.520 and that'll be

00:48:26.080 the end.

00:48:26.620 But at least,

00:48:27.860 you know, the

00:48:28.280 truth needs to be

00:48:29.640 out even if no

00:48:30.600 one pays for it.

00:48:32.580 Yeah, that's right.

00:48:33.320 And they'll find

00:48:34.060 some way of

00:48:34.820 getting rid of

00:48:36.080 Kamala.

00:48:36.700 Maybe this...

00:48:37.680 Maybe it's right.

00:48:38.960 The cocaine was

00:48:39.720 right by her

00:48:40.260 parking spot as

00:48:41.160 step one in the

00:48:42.420 master plan.

00:48:44.020 Great to see you.

00:48:45.280 Thank you so much

00:48:46.020 for the great

00:48:46.400 reporting.

00:48:46.840 It's always a

00:48:47.280 pleasure.

00:48:48.700 Thanks, Megan.

00:48:49.240 Great to talk to

00:48:49.860 you.

00:48:50.020 All right.

00:48:50.320 When we come

00:48:50.760 back, Kirk Cameron

00:48:51.760 is here.

00:48:56.000 While as our

00:48:56.740 culture drifts from

00:48:58.000 traditional values

00:48:59.020 bit by bit, we

00:49:00.940 love highlighting the

00:49:01.680 work of those who

00:49:02.440 are fighting back

00:49:03.140 and winning.

00:49:04.140 That's why I'm

00:49:04.600 thrilled to welcome

00:49:05.340 Kirk Cameron back

00:49:06.220 to the show.

00:49:06.960 We had Kirk on the

00:49:08.040 program in December.

00:49:09.400 It was episode 454

00:49:10.840 and it was fascinating.

00:49:12.600 And now he's out

00:49:13.560 with a new

00:49:13.940 children's book

00:49:14.740 called Pride

00:49:15.860 Comes Before

00:49:16.840 the Fall, which

00:49:18.200 he's promoting

00:49:18.820 while battling

00:49:19.840 with the

00:49:21.460 American Library

00:49:23.180 Association.

00:49:24.660 Kirk, welcome

00:49:25.840 back to the show.

00:49:27.860 You know, like the

00:49:29.000 cast of villains, I

00:49:30.620 gotta admit, I did

00:49:31.420 not foresee the

00:49:32.460 American Library

00:49:33.200 Association being

00:49:34.160 there, but they

00:49:35.320 actually have been

00:49:36.720 actively working

00:49:37.860 against you.

00:49:39.400 It's really

00:49:40.160 stunning.

00:49:41.280 I it's it's one

00:49:43.020 thing to irritate

00:49:45.300 Oh, 50 local

00:49:47.560 woke libraries.

00:49:48.660 But when you

00:49:49.980 have called all

00:49:53.740 the way to the

00:49:54.560 ALA and you've

00:49:56.580 awakened the

00:49:57.640 balrogs deep

00:49:58.920 within the

00:50:00.120 the the

00:50:01.340 institutions, then

00:50:03.220 you know that

00:50:03.960 you're you're over

00:50:04.720 the target.

00:50:05.260 And essentially,

00:50:05.980 the director of the

00:50:07.480 Office for

00:50:08.020 Intellectual Freedom

00:50:09.080 went on a

00:50:10.140 nationwide

00:50:11.260 virtual video

00:50:13.860 and was teaching

00:50:15.580 local libraries

00:50:16.740 how to violate

00:50:18.140 the Constitution

00:50:19.240 by restricting

00:50:20.820 certain people

00:50:21.760 from coming in

00:50:22.620 and doing story

00:50:23.300 hours in their

00:50:23.960 libraries based

00:50:25.120 on open

00:50:26.580 intolerance for

00:50:27.940 their religious

00:50:28.620 views.

00:50:29.140 So this isn't

00:50:30.000 just my library.

00:50:30.960 This is what

00:50:31.580 what they referred

00:50:32.900 to as the

00:50:34.100 Kirk Cameron

00:50:34.660 event, which

00:50:35.640 is a day in

00:50:37.120 August where

00:50:37.740 we're encouraging

00:50:38.340 families to go to

00:50:39.200 their local

00:50:39.560 libraries and read

00:50:40.520 books of virtue

00:50:41.200 to their

00:50:41.520 children.

00:50:42.520 It's called

00:50:42.740 See You at the

00:50:43.320 Library and

00:50:44.240 they're teaching

00:50:44.820 libraries how to

00:50:46.020 block it and

00:50:46.840 make up reasons

00:50:47.600 why they don't

00:50:48.260 have room for

00:50:48.840 them.

00:50:49.880 It's unbelievable.

00:50:50.580 We're going to

00:50:50.800 play the sound

00:50:51.320 bite because it's

00:50:51.960 this this person

00:50:52.740 had the stupidity

00:50:54.480 to put it on

00:50:54.980 tape.

00:50:55.320 So she's caught

00:50:55.880 red handed.

00:50:56.740 But before we get

00:50:57.500 to that, let's

00:50:58.000 let's set it up.

00:50:58.680 So you've got

00:50:59.740 this new book

00:51:00.340 out.

00:51:00.780 Pride comes

00:51:01.220 before the

00:51:01.700 fall.

00:51:02.380 Great book.

00:51:03.500 Great timing.

00:51:04.740 In particular,

00:51:05.780 it's designed to

00:51:07.180 coincide with

00:51:07.760 Pride Month.

00:51:08.340 And you point

00:51:08.800 out correctly.

00:51:10.060 Hello.

00:51:10.640 Pride is actually

00:51:11.580 a sin, not

00:51:12.620 something to be

00:51:13.200 celebrated for a

00:51:13.960 month or a

00:51:14.780 season.

00:51:17.160 Well, it

00:51:18.180 you're right.

00:51:19.720 In fact, it's

00:51:20.280 the it's the

00:51:20.880 deadliest of the

00:51:21.740 of the seven

00:51:22.640 deadly sins.

00:51:23.680 I like to say

00:51:24.440 that, you know,

00:51:25.660 gluttony and greed

00:51:26.360 is bad and

00:51:27.700 and sloth,

00:51:28.880 wrath, envy

00:51:29.640 and lust is

00:51:30.960 not something you

00:51:32.280 want to teach

00:51:32.760 your kids.

00:51:33.300 But pride is

00:51:34.440 the pregnant

00:51:35.040 mother that

00:51:35.820 gives birth to

00:51:36.920 all other

00:51:38.000 forms of

00:51:39.120 evil.

00:51:40.160 And pride is

00:51:40.840 ultimately about

00:51:41.420 self.

00:51:41.900 It separates us

00:51:42.980 from other

00:51:43.520 people.

00:51:44.080 Pride separates

00:51:44.840 us from God.

00:51:45.920 And what I

00:51:46.960 think we want to

00:51:47.580 teach our kids is

00:51:48.380 how to be humble

00:51:49.120 and kind, how to

00:51:50.480 put others before

00:51:51.340 themselves.

00:51:51.840 And that's really

00:51:52.460 what the book is

00:51:52.920 all about.

00:51:53.260 It's not an

00:51:53.660 anti-gay book.

00:51:54.560 It's not an

00:51:54.940 anti-LGBTQ

00:51:57.640 community book.

00:51:58.560 It's just saying,

00:51:59.480 look, if you

00:52:00.640 really want to

00:52:01.920 have relationships

00:52:02.880 and a world

00:52:03.900 that is thriving

00:52:04.940 and being blessed

00:52:06.540 and protected,

00:52:07.520 go with

00:52:08.160 humility, not

00:52:09.640 pride.

00:52:11.200 It's it's a

00:52:12.360 terrible message

00:52:12.940 and it has to

00:52:13.480 be stopped.

00:52:14.100 I can see why

00:52:14.660 the library

00:52:15.100 ladies are very

00:52:15.980 mad at you.

00:52:17.360 That cannot be

00:52:18.960 allowed.

00:52:19.100 And so they're

00:52:21.060 attempting to

00:52:22.040 keep these books

00:52:23.720 out of libraries

00:52:24.660 and falsely

00:52:26.080 characterizing the

00:52:27.720 book or me or

00:52:28.800 or just concerned

00:52:30.360 Americans who love

00:52:31.320 God and love their

00:52:32.100 family and their

00:52:32.720 country as being

00:52:34.180 bigots or being

00:52:35.560 haters.

00:52:36.300 But it's it's

00:52:37.340 interesting.

00:52:37.660 The people who

00:52:40.220 are screaming the

00:52:42.040 loudest about

00:52:44.160 book banning,

00:52:46.400 like the

00:52:47.660 the pornographic

00:52:48.860 books that

00:52:49.820 they're wanting

00:52:50.380 to keep in the

00:52:50.960 libraries and

00:52:51.760 they don't want

00:52:52.440 them banned.

00:52:53.040 They're actually

00:52:54.080 the same people

00:52:55.120 who are the

00:52:55.860 most intent on

00:52:56.900 banning books.

00:52:58.320 Yes.

00:52:58.600 It's just the

00:52:59.160 books that they

00:52:59.720 don't like books

00:53:00.940 about faith,

00:53:01.540 hope and love.

00:53:02.480 That's exactly

00:53:03.220 right.

00:53:03.760 I will talk about

00:53:05.120 it one second.

00:53:05.540 I want to tell

00:53:05.800 you I've got

00:53:06.480 another one for

00:53:07.020 you for your

00:53:07.340 second edition.

00:53:08.120 You can do

00:53:08.420 one on on

00:53:09.100 envy and you

00:53:10.440 could base it

00:53:10.960 potentially on

00:53:11.740 this story.

00:53:12.300 I was telling

00:53:12.680 my little guy

00:53:13.340 about a month

00:53:14.640 ago.

00:53:15.080 I was talking

00:53:15.340 to him in and

00:53:15.920 he's like,

00:53:16.340 tell me a story.

00:53:16.940 So I said,

00:53:17.500 OK,

00:53:18.140 and, you know,

00:53:18.440 you just make

00:53:18.800 something up on

00:53:19.280 the spot.

00:53:19.980 And my story

00:53:21.080 was about this

00:53:21.860 little boy who

00:53:22.540 was desperate to

00:53:23.160 make the

00:53:23.860 basketball team

00:53:24.720 and he knew

00:53:25.980 that there were

00:53:26.320 better players on

00:53:27.320 the team.

00:53:28.180 And so he

00:53:28.700 intentionally

00:53:29.140 sabotaged them

00:53:30.120 like he threw

00:53:31.160 a little like

00:53:31.780 sort of little

00:53:32.920 pellets through

00:53:33.540 their basketballs.

00:53:34.640 He threw

00:53:35.000 marbles on the

00:53:35.800 on the basketball

00:53:36.480 court so that

00:53:37.120 they'd slip and

00:53:37.620 fall.

00:53:38.220 He undermined

00:53:39.140 them.

00:53:39.940 And you know

00:53:40.900 what happened?

00:53:41.520 He didn't make

00:53:42.080 the team and

00:53:43.380 it didn't work

00:53:44.080 out for him.

00:53:44.660 Then the next

00:53:45.260 season he tried

00:53:46.000 out again and

00:53:47.140 he had gotten

00:53:47.700 no better.

00:53:48.180 He hadn't

00:53:48.600 practiced.

00:53:49.160 He hadn't

00:53:49.420 worked on his

00:53:49.820 own game,

00:53:50.400 but he tried

00:53:50.980 once again to

00:53:51.480 hurt the other

00:53:51.880 players.

00:53:52.500 And once again,

00:53:53.260 it didn't work

00:53:53.700 out for him.

00:53:54.240 So the third

00:53:54.780 season he went

00:53:55.460 back, he

00:53:56.260 practiced, he

00:53:57.060 worked hard, he

00:53:58.200 supported the

00:53:58.800 other players.

00:53:59.320 And I said to

00:54:00.200 my little

00:54:00.480 Thatcher, and

00:54:01.040 do you think

00:54:01.380 he made the

00:54:01.780 team?

00:54:02.400 And Thatcher

00:54:02.780 said, yes.

00:54:03.780 And I said, no,

00:54:04.920 he didn't.

00:54:05.840 Because this is a

00:54:06.700 just world in

00:54:07.860 which you don't

00:54:08.940 get to make up

00:54:09.580 for all your

00:54:10.020 past sins just

00:54:10.780 by one season

00:54:11.540 of being good.

00:54:12.900 You have to be

00:54:13.740 good all the

00:54:14.640 time.

00:54:15.000 You always have

00:54:15.360 to try for it.

00:54:16.040 Change of

00:54:16.320 heart is good,

00:54:17.140 but it's not

00:54:17.720 going to solve

00:54:18.160 everything in

00:54:19.100 your life.

00:54:19.600 Envy is an

00:54:20.040 evil sin too.

00:54:22.020 Well, that's

00:54:22.420 so great, Megan.

00:54:23.480 What a great

00:54:24.440 mom you are to

00:54:25.340 be able to talk

00:54:26.140 about these things

00:54:26.680 with your kids.

00:54:27.280 And isn't that

00:54:27.900 what we want

00:54:28.640 is we want

00:54:29.080 open discussion.

00:54:30.260 We want

00:54:30.520 intelligent discourse

00:54:32.280 so that we can

00:54:33.380 discuss things

00:54:34.100 like COVID

00:54:35.680 protocols.

00:54:36.640 What should the

00:54:37.220 medical industry

00:54:38.000 really be

00:54:38.580 recommending for

00:54:39.340 the world when

00:54:40.240 it comes to

00:54:40.820 something like

00:54:41.460 this?

00:54:41.940 Let everybody

00:54:42.600 talk.

00:54:43.100 Don't cancel

00:54:43.660 them.

00:54:43.920 Don't censor

00:54:44.460 them.

00:54:44.940 Don't ban

00:54:45.800 books that

00:54:46.760 parents want

00:54:47.440 to read to

00:54:47.840 their children

00:54:48.420 about the

00:54:49.220 history of

00:54:49.680 our country

00:54:50.220 and about

00:54:50.820 what makes

00:54:51.320 families flourish.

00:54:53.240 That is

00:54:54.020 exactly what

00:54:54.780 we're asking

00:54:55.400 for.

00:54:56.760 And when you

00:54:57.260 have these

00:54:57.880 higher-up

00:54:58.700 elites on

00:55:00.080 the far-left

00:55:00.980 side who

00:55:02.480 are openly

00:55:03.480 censoring and

00:55:04.960 encouraging libraries

00:55:05.960 to break the

00:55:06.800 law, you say

00:55:08.340 something has

00:55:09.780 gone very wrong

00:55:10.620 here and we

00:55:11.440 need to get

00:55:11.840 back to the

00:55:12.380 values that

00:55:13.400 you're talking

00:55:14.040 about so that

00:55:15.260 we, the

00:55:15.800 people, as the

00:55:17.100 sovereign of

00:55:17.620 this country, can

00:55:18.620 move forward in

00:55:19.380 a healthy, positive

00:55:20.080 direction.

00:55:21.000 It's so sad.

00:55:22.200 When we're coming

00:55:23.020 off a month in

00:55:24.260 which we saw, I

00:55:25.080 mean, truly, I

00:55:26.000 know I sound 200

00:55:26.980 when I use this

00:55:27.640 word, but

00:55:28.140 debauchery on the

00:55:29.420 streets of America

00:55:30.200 in front of

00:55:31.000 children, corner

00:55:32.240 by corner, shoved

00:55:33.580 in our faces, on

00:55:34.720 the news every

00:55:35.360 night, and now

00:55:36.500 you come up with

00:55:37.320 something that

00:55:37.960 talks about a

00:55:38.700 recognized sin and

00:55:40.020 how to overcome it,

00:55:40.900 how to reject it.

00:55:41.600 It's an uplifting

00:55:42.220 story.

00:55:43.840 It's too offensive

00:55:44.920 to make the public

00:55:45.840 library.

00:55:46.420 And then you try

00:55:46.980 to organize one

00:55:47.920 day, it's August

00:55:48.500 5th, in which

00:55:49.740 others across the

00:55:50.600 country could go

00:55:51.320 into their public

00:55:51.980 library and have a

00:55:52.980 reading of such a

00:55:54.240 book.

00:55:54.640 It doesn't have

00:55:55.000 to be yours.

00:55:55.580 Of whatever

00:55:55.760 books, and really

00:55:56.580 what could be any

00:55:57.220 book you want.

00:55:58.420 Any book of

00:55:58.940 virtue.

00:55:59.620 And this is

00:56:00.320 what's so

00:56:01.280 offended the

00:56:02.440 American Libraries

00:56:03.460 Association that,

00:56:04.360 as you point out,

00:56:05.140 the ALA director

00:56:06.200 has decided that

00:56:08.060 they need to

00:56:09.280 stop you.

00:56:09.860 And here's just a

00:56:10.720 little bit of how

00:56:11.420 she suggested it

00:56:13.040 be done.

00:56:13.640 Sot7.

00:56:15.360 We're seeing

00:56:16.380 groups that

00:56:17.200 seek or seek

00:56:18.080 the censor

00:56:18.640 LGBTQA materials

00:56:20.400 or disparage or

00:56:21.540 silence LGBTQA

00:56:23.500 library users

00:56:24.500 exploit the

00:56:26.780 open nature of

00:56:27.860 a public library

00:56:28.840 to advance

00:56:30.060 their agendas.

00:56:31.420 For example,

00:56:32.320 right now,

00:56:33.740 Brave Books and

00:56:34.760 Kirk Cameron are

00:56:35.700 conducting a

00:56:36.740 campaign to

00:56:37.580 take over

00:56:38.140 libraries on

00:56:38.920 August 5th.

00:56:40.000 The First

00:56:40.300 Amendment does

00:56:40.920 not require the

00:56:41.740 library to even

00:56:42.440 offer meeting

00:56:43.260 room spaces.

00:56:44.440 So this, in

00:56:45.380 regard to the

00:56:46.380 Kirk Cameron

00:56:46.940 thing, you are

00:56:48.060 not obligated to

00:56:49.160 offer public

00:56:50.200 meeting room

00:56:50.680 spaces or invite

00:56:51.720 the public in to

00:56:52.520 use the library.

00:56:53.500 You can make a

00:56:54.520 priority for

00:56:55.240 library-sponsored

00:56:56.140 programs.

00:56:57.000 And what if

00:56:57.680 your library

00:56:58.460 decided to

00:56:59.160 offer a whole

00:56:59.880 host of

00:57:00.400 programs in

00:57:01.120 its meeting

00:57:01.640 room on

00:57:02.000 August 5th,

00:57:02.800 making it

00:57:03.260 unavailable for

00:57:04.060 the public?

00:57:05.200 That's another

00:57:06.660 option for you.

00:57:09.460 That is

00:57:10.280 unbelievable.

00:57:11.360 What if your

00:57:13.180 library happened

00:57:14.260 to have other

00:57:14.860 programs making

00:57:16.160 it unavailable

00:57:17.160 for them to

00:57:17.920 come to your

00:57:18.600 library?

00:57:19.140 library?

00:57:19.820 So this is

00:57:20.720 all about

00:57:21.420 keeping control

00:57:22.780 of the

00:57:23.280 libraries in

00:57:24.700 the hands of

00:57:25.760 librarians, and

00:57:27.400 the way you do

00:57:28.100 that is by

00:57:28.760 making up things

00:57:29.920 that aren't

00:57:30.620 there to block

00:57:31.800 families from

00:57:32.700 reserving a

00:57:33.420 reading room for

00:57:34.140 their own kids.

00:57:35.980 I mean, isn't

00:57:36.580 this wonderful?

00:57:37.320 Megan, this is so

00:57:38.040 great.

00:57:38.400 She just brought

00:57:39.160 up the First

00:57:39.840 Amendment saying

00:57:40.840 it doesn't require

00:57:42.120 you to offer

00:57:42.680 meeting spaces.

00:57:43.480 I have a copy of

00:57:44.220 the Constitution

00:57:44.780 right here.

00:57:45.180 The First

00:57:45.660 Amendment actually

00:57:46.260 says Congress

00:57:46.880 shall make no

00:57:47.480 law respecting

00:57:48.440 the establishment

00:57:49.180 of religion or

00:57:50.360 prohibiting the

00:57:51.540 free exercise of

00:57:52.960 that religion or

00:57:53.940 abridging the

00:57:54.460 freedom of speech

00:57:55.180 or of the press

00:57:55.800 or the right of

00:57:56.280 the people to

00:57:57.020 peaceably assemble.

00:57:58.800 That's precisely

00:57:59.860 what she's

00:58:00.480 recommending local

00:58:01.320 libraries do,

00:58:02.420 is block people

00:58:03.500 from peacefully

00:58:04.360 assembling in a

00:58:05.360 public library to

00:58:07.520 speak about and

00:58:08.680 exercise their

00:58:10.320 sincerely held

00:58:11.260 values about loving

00:58:12.400 God and loving

00:58:13.080 their community.

00:58:13.740 So this is

00:58:15.780 what's so great

00:58:16.340 about every piece

00:58:16.920 of the First

00:58:17.300 Amendment.

00:58:18.780 And what's so

00:58:19.700 great about this

00:58:20.540 is it pulls back

00:58:21.760 the curtain and

00:58:22.560 it shows you that

00:58:23.420 the great wizard

00:58:24.360 that is got all

00:58:26.880 these signs and

00:58:27.760 wonders and powers

00:58:28.900 and all these

00:58:29.460 things that is

00:58:30.380 scaring everybody

00:58:31.800 and making them

00:58:32.460 think he's so

00:58:32.900 popular is is

00:58:33.880 really a group of

00:58:36.040 people who are

00:58:36.580 breaking their own

00:58:37.300 laws.

00:58:38.120 I mean, their

00:58:38.760 stated purpose at

00:58:39.860 the ALA is to

00:58:41.140 protect the rights

00:58:42.140 of all people

00:58:43.360 to have access

00:58:45.160 to information

00:58:46.080 regardless of

00:58:47.040 their views.

00:58:47.820 That's what the

00:58:48.280 drag queen stories

00:58:49.080 are all about.

00:58:50.680 Except, of course,

00:58:51.840 that's precisely

00:58:52.560 what they're not

00:58:53.520 doing when it

00:58:54.140 comes to people

00:58:55.480 like you or me

00:58:56.700 or millions of

00:58:57.420 others who want

00:58:57.860 to talk to their

00:58:58.340 kids about faith,

00:58:59.380 hope, and love.

00:59:00.480 So my question

00:59:01.420 to the ALA is,

00:59:02.200 guys, why all

00:59:02.680 the hate?

00:59:03.660 I thought this was

00:59:05.000 supposed to be,

00:59:05.820 I thought I just

00:59:06.520 learned the rule.

00:59:07.120 it's about

00:59:08.740 diversity, it's

00:59:09.900 about equity,

00:59:11.260 it's about

00:59:11.840 inclusion.

00:59:13.340 Why are you

00:59:13.820 excluding us?

00:59:15.740 And it's not

00:59:17.220 just you.

00:59:17.740 I was talking

00:59:18.240 with a friend

00:59:19.000 of mine who

00:59:20.080 was saying at

00:59:20.760 her local

00:59:21.580 library in

00:59:22.360 Connecticut,

00:59:22.760 she went in

00:59:23.900 and they had

00:59:24.420 genderqueer and

00:59:25.780 they had the

00:59:26.240 whole line of

00:59:27.140 gender books

00:59:28.200 that are not

00:59:30.100 really appropriate

00:59:30.760 for young ones,

00:59:31.560 but fine, okay,

00:59:32.140 it's a public

00:59:32.500 library, there it

00:59:33.220 is, it's up to

00:59:33.680 the parents to

00:59:34.240 screen there.

00:59:34.760 And she asked

00:59:36.100 whether they

00:59:36.480 happen to carry

00:59:37.120 the line of

00:59:37.660 books being put

00:59:38.600 out now by

00:59:39.200 Bethany Mandel.

00:59:41.100 You know, we've

00:59:41.540 got a couple of

00:59:42.040 these books, but

00:59:42.500 they tell great

00:59:43.100 stories about

00:59:43.540 like Ronald Reagan

00:59:44.260 and Margaret

00:59:44.760 Thatcher and

00:59:45.680 some more

00:59:46.200 right-leaning

00:59:47.020 leaders of the

00:59:48.180 past.

00:59:48.680 And the woman

00:59:49.340 said no.

00:59:50.440 And so she, my

00:59:51.760 friend, offered

00:59:52.460 to donate the

00:59:53.680 books.

00:59:54.500 You know, I'll

00:59:54.960 get them for

00:59:55.360 you.

00:59:55.760 And she said,

00:59:56.580 we're not

00:59:57.020 interested in that

00:59:58.000 line of books.

00:59:59.120 Right?

00:59:59.380 No, we're not

00:59:59.960 interested.

01:00:01.840 Yeah.

01:00:03.280 Right.

01:00:03.760 Well, I think

01:00:06.640 that this is a

01:00:07.500 big wake-up call

01:00:08.160 for us.

01:00:09.380 I think this

01:00:10.020 is a time for

01:00:11.000 us as moms

01:00:11.600 and dads and

01:00:12.180 grandparents and

01:00:13.260 business people

01:00:15.160 and politicians

01:00:15.860 and clergy and

01:00:17.400 everybody else to

01:00:18.400 say, who are

01:00:20.280 we as citizens

01:00:22.200 of the United

01:00:22.860 States of

01:00:23.320 America?

01:00:24.080 I mean, are

01:00:24.560 we going to go

01:00:25.500 back to this

01:00:26.260 document called

01:00:27.080 the Declaration

01:00:28.200 and the

01:00:30.280 Constitution?

01:00:31.080 Are we going

01:00:31.360 to understand

01:00:32.320 the roots that

01:00:34.420 nourish the

01:00:35.280 tree of

01:00:35.820 liberty and

01:00:36.500 produce this

01:00:37.220 sweet fruit of

01:00:41.360 economic opportunity

01:00:43.520 and educational

01:00:44.540 freedom and

01:00:45.540 political and

01:00:46.640 spiritual freedom

01:00:47.980 and liberty?

01:00:48.820 Or are we

01:00:49.960 going to cut

01:00:51.120 those roots off

01:00:52.140 and let the

01:00:53.180 tree shrivel

01:00:54.400 and we're going

01:00:55.500 to start eating

01:00:56.180 the rotten,

01:00:57.180 pithy, bitter

01:00:58.020 fruit of

01:00:59.220 socialism leading

01:01:00.660 communism and

01:01:03.100 it's going to

01:01:03.600 be an

01:01:03.820 authoritarian

01:01:04.200 government that

01:01:05.380 leaves you with

01:01:06.240 no liberty?

01:01:07.540 And then what

01:01:08.680 will all these

01:01:09.220 people do when

01:01:10.320 they finally come

01:01:11.620 for them last?

01:01:13.500 There won't be

01:01:14.380 any of these

01:01:17.300 folks who think

01:01:18.500 that they can just

01:01:19.040 run around doing

01:01:19.620 whatever they want.

01:01:20.520 They're going to,

01:01:21.300 at the end of the

01:01:21.760 day, have to

01:01:23.460 submit to the

01:01:24.320 leadership of

01:01:24.880 someone and I

01:01:26.060 don't think that

01:01:26.520 should be any

01:01:27.280 narcissistic

01:01:28.080 authoritarian

01:01:28.560 government or

01:01:30.020 dictator, I

01:01:31.220 think the

01:01:32.040 smartest thing

01:01:32.680 to do is to

01:01:33.720 say, how

01:01:34.440 about the

01:01:35.200 loving God

01:01:35.940 who made us

01:01:36.680 and gave us

01:01:37.280 this beautiful

01:01:38.000 earth and

01:01:39.220 a country and

01:01:40.400 allows us to

01:01:41.000 live in freedom

01:01:41.700 if we do the

01:01:42.880 right thing

01:01:43.340 together with

01:01:44.000 one another?

01:01:45.000 Well, I have a

01:01:45.820 good idea for

01:01:46.540 the people out

01:01:47.640 there interested

01:01:48.160 in helping you

01:01:49.240 on this August

01:01:49.900 5th effort.

01:01:50.900 Again, it could

01:01:51.320 be Kirk's book,

01:01:51.920 it could be any

01:01:52.380 book, but you

01:01:53.660 should call your

01:01:54.460 local library and

01:01:55.380 say you want to

01:01:55.980 reserve the meeting

01:01:56.680 space to discuss

01:01:58.220 books that speak

01:02:00.560 to family values,

01:02:01.520 perhaps gender

01:02:02.600 queer, perhaps

01:02:04.260 others, you

01:02:05.300 know, we'll see.

01:02:06.600 Then you'll get

01:02:07.040 the meeting space

01:02:07.800 because that's in

01:02:08.560 line with her

01:02:09.060 plan.

01:02:09.720 Then you show

01:02:10.380 up with Pride

01:02:11.880 Comes Before

01:02:12.380 the Fall and

01:02:13.460 let it rip.

01:02:15.700 Yeah, that's

01:02:16.400 a great idea and

01:02:17.540 even better if

01:02:18.600 you go to

01:02:19.020 bravebooks.com

01:02:20.800 and look for

01:02:22.460 the See You

01:02:22.960 at the Library

01:02:23.680 tab, you can

01:02:25.100 not only get

01:02:25.540 my book for

01:02:26.120 free, but

01:02:27.340 we'll show

01:02:28.320 you how to

01:02:29.240 set up

01:02:29.920 step-by-step

01:02:30.720 your own

01:02:31.420 story hour

01:02:32.300 for your kids

01:02:33.160 in your

01:02:33.440 community and

01:02:34.480 how to

01:02:35.140 actually get

01:02:36.660 around some

01:02:37.300 of the roadblocks

01:02:38.040 that your local

01:02:38.640 library might be

01:02:39.900 putting in front

01:02:40.560 of you.

01:02:41.300 And I'm going

01:02:41.880 to get on a

01:02:42.500 Zoom call with

01:02:43.540 everyone who's

01:02:44.220 doing this.

01:02:45.040 I'm going to

01:02:45.320 answer your

01:02:45.740 questions and

01:02:46.540 together on

01:02:47.300 August 5th, we

01:02:48.780 as the hobbits

01:02:50.120 of the Shire of

01:02:51.360 the United States

01:02:52.160 of America are

01:02:53.280 going to be

01:02:53.900 engaged in a

01:02:54.880 battle against

01:02:55.580 the Orcs and

01:02:57.620 we are going

01:02:58.960 to win.

01:02:59.840 I can't wait.

01:03:00.740 So please join

01:03:01.500 us.

01:03:01.800 Go to

01:03:02.000 bravebooks.com.

01:03:03.440 Well, I confess

01:03:04.200 I too was

01:03:04.940 subjected to a

01:03:05.560 book ban in

01:03:06.860 my Thatcher's

01:03:08.040 third grade class.

01:03:09.400 They had the

01:03:09.960 parents come in

01:03:10.940 and do a

01:03:11.760 reading.

01:03:12.460 No, it was

01:03:12.960 second grade.

01:03:13.460 It happened

01:03:13.640 last year.

01:03:14.700 Second grade

01:03:15.240 class, they had

01:03:15.720 the parents come

01:03:16.120 in and do a

01:03:16.480 reading.

01:03:17.140 And I really

01:03:18.360 wanted to read

01:03:18.900 this book

01:03:19.400 about gas.

01:03:22.320 And the

01:03:23.020 teacher wouldn't

01:03:23.940 let me.

01:03:26.360 Oh, no.

01:03:27.260 I have the

01:03:27.600 sense of humor

01:03:28.340 of a nine-year-old

01:03:28.980 boy.

01:03:29.300 I understand

01:03:29.740 what these

01:03:30.100 kids would

01:03:30.460 like.

01:03:31.060 She shut

01:03:31.520 me down

01:03:31.860 cold, Kirk.

01:03:32.980 That too

01:03:34.800 is a brave

01:03:35.240 book.

01:03:36.980 Few things

01:03:37.760 nine-year-old

01:03:38.280 boys like

01:03:38.780 better than

01:03:39.440 bathroom jokes

01:03:41.320 and books

01:03:42.000 about gas.

01:03:42.620 It's gold.

01:03:43.360 It's absolute

01:03:44.320 gold.

01:03:45.540 You know,

01:03:46.420 Megan,

01:03:47.420 speaking of

01:03:48.180 nine-year-olds

01:03:48.980 and kids,

01:03:50.280 I went

01:03:51.520 digging around

01:03:52.460 in sort

01:03:54.780 of the

01:03:55.340 time vault

01:03:56.660 that I

01:03:57.060 have and I

01:03:57.540 found something

01:03:58.360 that I

01:03:59.180 thought you

01:03:59.580 might like.

01:04:00.460 Last December

01:04:01.460 we talked

01:04:02.000 about you

01:04:03.600 had a

01:04:04.180 childhood

01:04:04.520 crush.

01:04:05.700 I think I

01:04:07.340 was part of

01:04:08.080 that.

01:04:08.420 I think you

01:04:08.780 had something

01:04:09.160 to do with

01:04:09.860 You're the

01:04:11.260 only fan

01:04:11.840 letter I

01:04:12.200 ever wrote.

01:04:13.080 And I

01:04:13.380 think I

01:04:13.740 never wrote

01:04:14.240 you back.

01:04:15.140 And I

01:04:15.380 just thought

01:04:16.160 I would

01:04:16.400 try to make

01:04:16.860 it up for

01:04:17.140 you.

01:04:17.260 I think

01:04:18.020 I found

01:04:18.780 one remaining

01:04:20.560 Mike Seaver

01:04:22.140 poster from

01:04:23.220 1986 and

01:04:25.160 I signed

01:04:25.740 it to,

01:04:26.740 I don't know

01:04:26.920 if you can

01:04:27.100 read it,

01:04:27.420 it says,

01:04:27.660 to Megan,

01:04:28.200 my biggest

01:04:28.820 fan,

01:04:29.840 heart,

01:04:30.160 heart,

01:04:31.060 Kirk

01:04:31.300 Cameron.

01:04:32.340 I can

01:04:33.020 die now.

01:04:34.920 Look at

01:04:35.480 that with

01:04:35.800 the suspenders

01:04:36.480 and their

01:04:36.820 exposed

01:04:37.300 shoulders.

01:04:38.640 If I

01:04:39.420 can find

01:04:39.960 your mailing

01:04:42.140 address,

01:04:42.780 I will wrap

01:04:43.380 it up and

01:04:43.780 send it to

01:04:44.220 you for

01:04:44.560 Christmas.

01:04:45.640 Abby,

01:04:46.020 Abby,

01:04:47.280 right now,

01:04:48.340 text it

01:04:49.800 immediately.

01:04:51.920 Thank you

01:04:52.320 for letting

01:04:52.680 me create

01:04:53.260 a fun and

01:04:54.600 awkward moment

01:04:55.360 like that.

01:04:57.160 I can't see

01:04:58.640 you on my

01:04:59.200 screen,

01:04:59.540 so I can't

01:04:59.960 tell if you're

01:05:00.380 blushing.

01:05:01.120 But it's always

01:05:01.820 my goal is to

01:05:02.960 try to make

01:05:03.400 the host

01:05:03.860 blush.

01:05:05.760 Because people

01:05:06.380 are always

01:05:06.700 trying to put

01:05:07.100 me on,

01:05:08.540 knock me off

01:05:09.360 balance,

01:05:09.960 right,

01:05:10.280 with sort of

01:05:10.900 gotcha questions.

01:05:11.680 So I

01:05:12.440 thought I'd

01:05:13.020 flip the

01:05:13.400 script a

01:05:13.740 little today.

01:05:14.980 Well,

01:05:15.500 no,

01:05:15.760 I didn't

01:05:16.100 blush,

01:05:16.440 but I did

01:05:16.760 smile from

01:05:17.240 ear to

01:05:17.540 ear,

01:05:17.720 and that

01:05:17.900 is going

01:05:18.240 on the

01:05:18.560 wall.

01:05:18.900 That's

01:05:19.100 going on

01:05:19.340 the wall

01:05:19.700 of fame,

01:05:20.360 right next

01:05:20.940 to my

01:05:21.220 Dennis Rodman

01:05:21.880 basketball

01:05:22.320 signed by

01:05:23.100 Dennis Rodman

01:05:24.160 with a

01:05:24.460 picture of

01:05:24.840 Kim Jong-un.

01:05:25.180 There you

01:05:25.380 go.

01:05:27.200 You're

01:05:27.520 going to be

01:05:27.740 in great

01:05:28.080 company.

01:05:29.220 I love it,

01:05:29.880 and I love

01:05:30.220 everything you do.

01:05:30.720 This is a

01:05:31.080 great effort

01:05:31.520 by you and

01:05:32.680 by Brave

01:05:33.200 Books.

01:05:33.880 Can I just

01:05:34.180 ask you a

01:05:34.500 question?

01:05:34.820 I'm here.

01:05:35.860 Abby's not

01:05:36.320 actually in

01:05:36.660 the room

01:05:36.860 with me

01:05:37.100 because she's

01:05:37.440 back in

01:05:37.800 Connecticut,

01:05:38.520 and I'm at

01:05:38.780 the Jersey

01:05:39.120 Shore for

01:05:39.500 the summer.

01:05:41.000 Do you

01:05:41.320 follow me

01:05:43.260 what's

01:05:43.440 happening with

01:05:43.840 the sharks?

01:05:44.780 Because we

01:05:45.060 get sharks

01:05:45.480 here at

01:05:45.720 the Jersey

01:05:46.040 Shore,

01:05:46.580 but not

01:05:47.620 like what's

01:05:48.100 happening on

01:05:48.580 Long Island

01:05:48.920 right now.

01:05:49.420 I'm like,

01:05:49.800 I'm obsessed

01:05:50.900 with this

01:05:51.240 story.

01:05:51.780 Have you

01:05:51.940 been seeing

01:05:52.220 what's

01:05:52.380 happening

01:05:52.540 to Long

01:05:52.780 Island

01:05:53.020 with the

01:05:53.300 five shark

01:05:54.320 attacks over

01:05:54.840 the past

01:05:55.160 week?

01:05:55.740 You know,

01:05:56.060 I'm not up

01:05:57.020 on the shark

01:05:57.560 attacks.

01:05:58.160 I've been

01:05:58.380 hearing all

01:05:59.380 about Biden's

01:06:01.100 granddaughter

01:06:01.640 and de

01:06:02.360 Blasio and

01:06:03.240 all sorts of

01:06:04.060 other things,

01:06:04.420 but I've

01:06:04.640 not been

01:06:05.740 updated on

01:06:06.300 the shark

01:06:06.600 story.

01:06:07.260 This one's

01:06:07.700 more important.

01:06:08.380 All right,

01:06:08.600 I got to

01:06:09.000 tell you

01:06:09.260 something.

01:06:09.600 Here's what's

01:06:09.980 happening on

01:06:10.440 the shores

01:06:10.900 of Long

01:06:11.260 Island,

01:06:11.680 not far

01:06:12.320 from where

01:06:12.680 I am,

01:06:13.740 on the

01:06:14.060 shores of

01:06:14.420 New Jersey,

01:06:15.140 off the

01:06:15.580 coast of

01:06:16.000 Long

01:06:16.240 Island.

01:06:16.720 This is

01:06:16.940 the AP

01:06:17.700 drones sweep

01:06:19.300 over the

01:06:19.680 ocean,

01:06:20.400 patrolling

01:06:20.900 the water

01:06:21.480 for any

01:06:21.840 danger that

01:06:22.360 might lurk

01:06:22.920 below the

01:06:23.500 surface as

01:06:24.280 beachgoers

01:06:24.940 grow more

01:06:25.880 vigilant because

01:06:26.860 of a recent

01:06:27.580 spate of

01:06:28.620 shark encounters.

01:06:30.120 Over two

01:06:30.540 days this

01:06:31.140 week,

01:06:31.900 five people

01:06:32.860 reported being

01:06:33.740 bitten by

01:06:34.360 sharks at

01:06:35.380 some of

01:06:35.720 New York's

01:06:36.120 most popular

01:06:36.840 beaches leading

01:06:37.720 to heightened

01:06:38.260 surveillance of

01:06:39.560 the area's

01:06:40.220 waters.

01:06:41.400 And this

01:06:41.880 dovetailed

01:06:42.740 nicely or

01:06:44.160 not so nicely

01:06:45.040 with video out

01:06:46.280 of Florida

01:06:46.800 this week where

01:06:48.260 it was in

01:06:49.060 Navarre,

01:06:49.780 is it Navarre,

01:06:50.640 N-A-V-A-R-R-E,

01:06:51.980 my apologies to

01:06:52.600 our friends down

01:06:53.080 there,

01:06:53.600 Florida on

01:06:54.120 Monday.

01:06:54.940 Look at this,

01:06:55.580 Kirk.

01:06:55.720 you can see a

01:06:57.060 huge shark

01:06:58.300 swimming right

01:06:59.740 off the beach.

01:07:00.420 It's the scene

01:07:00.860 out of Jaws.

01:07:01.600 The kids are

01:07:02.060 yelling,

01:07:02.340 get out.

01:07:03.400 Let's see the

01:07:04.120 fins.

01:07:06.980 Wow.

01:07:12.780 It is like a

01:07:13.720 scene of Jaws.

01:07:14.380 Oh my gosh,

01:07:20.920 I would be

01:07:21.320 therapy.

01:07:22.000 I wouldn't be

01:07:22.680 dead from the

01:07:23.080 shark.

01:07:23.520 I would be

01:07:23.840 dead from the

01:07:24.400 heart attack

01:07:25.140 that I would

01:07:25.960 have in seeing

01:07:26.740 those fins.

01:07:27.820 So do you

01:07:28.780 let your kids,

01:07:29.680 your father of,

01:07:30.460 is it six?

01:07:31.760 Five or six?

01:07:32.400 Six.

01:07:33.000 Okay.

01:07:33.440 Do you let your,

01:07:34.160 I know they're older

01:07:34.740 now, but when they

01:07:35.240 were little, did you

01:07:35.780 let them swim in the

01:07:36.600 ocean?

01:07:37.000 Did you have any

01:07:37.660 qualms?

01:07:38.820 You know,

01:07:39.300 what do you

01:07:39.680 think?

01:07:41.800 So we loved the

01:07:43.000 beach.

01:07:43.260 In fact, when I was

01:07:43.740 a little kid, we

01:07:44.180 went to the beach

01:07:44.720 every weekend and

01:07:46.020 would body surf

01:07:46.860 with my dad and

01:07:47.680 my grandpa.

01:07:48.800 And when we took

01:07:49.660 our kids to the

01:07:50.120 beach, yeah, they

01:07:50.640 were in the water

01:07:51.020 all the time.

01:07:52.080 So we didn't have

01:07:53.040 any problems.

01:07:53.560 It's kind of a rare

01:07:54.460 occurrence actually

01:07:55.140 getting bitten by a

01:07:55.940 shark, but, but this

01:07:57.140 is shocking.

01:07:58.200 I mean, if I lived

01:07:58.680 there, I wouldn't be

01:07:59.560 sending my kids into

01:08:00.220 the water now.

01:08:01.200 I know.

01:08:01.760 Well, everyone's

01:08:02.300 fine.

01:08:02.660 I think I'm not

01:08:03.220 fine, but like it

01:08:04.100 wasn't like a Jaws

01:08:04.940 bite where they took

01:08:06.100 a leg or they

01:08:06.780 killed somebody.

01:08:08.300 Like one day, this

01:08:09.560 article describes one

01:08:10.340 guy is having his

01:08:10.920 toes nibbled.

01:08:11.920 I'm like, well, that

01:08:12.380 makes it sound

01:08:12.920 enjoyable.

01:08:13.580 That's certainly not

01:08:15.960 how it went down.

01:08:17.300 You know, it makes me

01:08:19.420 think of my friend

01:08:19.920 Bethany Hamilton, who

01:08:21.160 she got, you know,

01:08:22.060 the professional

01:08:22.960 surfer who got her

01:08:23.720 arm bit off by a

01:08:24.640 shark.

01:08:25.460 Right.

01:08:25.800 So the movie about

01:08:26.960 that.

01:08:27.540 So she's yeah, she's

01:08:28.880 she's been there.

01:08:29.680 Done that.

01:08:30.440 Well, all right.

01:08:31.580 I you didn't make me

01:08:32.840 feel any better.

01:08:33.520 I got to be honest.

01:08:34.240 I still don't know.

01:08:35.100 I don't go in the

01:08:35.760 ocean, but Mike, I

01:08:36.860 let my kids go in,

01:08:37.580 which what does that

01:08:38.500 say about me?

01:08:39.120 That's not like I'm so

01:08:40.300 scared.

01:08:40.580 I won't go in, but I'll

01:08:41.340 let my little guys go.

01:08:42.580 It's sick.

01:08:44.320 It's like my sister-in-law

01:08:45.380 lives in Cape Cod and she

01:08:46.420 lost her beach because they

01:08:47.500 had serious, deadly shark

01:08:48.940 attacks a couple of years

01:08:49.760 ago.

01:08:50.460 I mean, truly, that killed

01:08:51.320 people.

01:08:52.300 And if you live in Cape

01:08:53.240 Cod, you live there because

01:08:54.040 the ocean.

01:08:54.600 I mean, that's why you're

01:08:55.320 there.

01:08:55.800 And now they like, sure,

01:08:56.960 like they can't they can't

01:08:58.000 swim anymore.

01:08:58.560 And it seems like bit

01:08:59.960 by bit as these

01:09:00.820 conservationists sort of

01:09:01.980 work to get the fish

01:09:03.420 population restored, the

01:09:04.580 seal population restored.

01:09:06.160 The sharks are coming

01:09:06.960 back and getting.

01:09:09.320 Is that maybe?

01:09:10.100 Yeah, right.

01:09:10.560 Maybe.

01:09:10.860 Is that it happening?

01:09:12.360 Yeah.

01:09:12.760 In part, that's definitely

01:09:14.020 it.

01:09:14.380 And now you got these

01:09:15.360 conservationists celebrating

01:09:16.440 that.

01:09:16.740 Oh, well, look, look at all

01:09:17.680 the little fish.

01:09:18.260 They're back.

01:09:19.020 We know what those little

01:09:19.700 schools of fish attract

01:09:20.720 big old fish called

01:09:22.220 sharks, which aren't

01:09:23.560 out on a mission to eat

01:09:24.780 us.

01:09:25.080 But they they're not

01:09:26.300 that great to share the

01:09:27.140 ocean with.

01:09:27.840 I realize it's their home,

01:09:28.780 not ours.

01:09:29.180 But still, as a parent of

01:09:31.420 young children, I maybe

01:09:33.160 maybe a little less

01:09:34.000 conservation.

01:09:34.840 We'll see.

01:09:35.800 All right.

01:09:36.040 Let's keep going.

01:09:37.500 I want to talk to you

01:09:38.560 about what's happening in

01:09:39.380 the gender lean because

01:09:40.240 it's taking over the

01:09:41.180 world.

01:09:41.660 Now, forgive me about,

01:09:43.520 you know, you said people

01:09:44.340 like to make you blush.

01:09:45.220 This one may do it.

01:09:46.420 But the big celebration

01:09:47.780 this week was about this

01:09:49.940 new line of sanitary

01:09:51.980 pads, you know, pads

01:09:53.860 during a period by this

01:09:56.120 new company called

01:09:58.060 August, which is really

01:09:59.640 worried about not women

01:10:01.000 and their periods, but

01:10:02.640 menstruators.

01:10:04.320 Listen to this woman on

01:10:05.420 Thursday's CBS this

01:10:07.460 morning, the CEO of this

01:10:08.540 company.

01:10:09.820 We are August wanting a

01:10:12.080 gender inclusive name on

01:10:13.160 the back.

01:10:13.580 It says we're here for

01:10:14.340 everyone who menstruates.

01:10:15.540 And I think especially in

01:10:16.580 this age of transphobia,

01:10:17.600 it really means a lot to

01:10:18.740 us to be proudly a

01:10:19.780 gender inclusive brand.

01:10:20.760 History and society has

01:10:22.860 built up this stigma that

01:10:24.140 makes menstruators feel so

01:10:25.540 ashamed.

01:10:26.340 Yeah, it makes us feel

01:10:27.160 like there's something

01:10:27.840 wrong with our bodies.

01:10:28.960 We're taught that period

01:10:30.140 blood is this contaminable,

01:10:32.540 like disgusting.

01:10:33.860 Dirty, nasty.

01:10:34.820 Yes.

01:10:35.400 And I think that it always

01:10:36.800 breaks my heart to hear so

01:10:38.280 many stories every day of

01:10:39.660 young menstruators who get

01:10:40.500 their period and have never

01:10:41.800 heard about it.

01:10:44.820 I'm sorry.

01:10:45.800 Can you believe?

01:10:47.740 You know, it really isn't

01:10:49.580 funny.

01:10:49.920 I mean, it's just it's so

01:10:51.700 it's it's so laughable, but

01:10:53.400 it's it it's like we're not

01:10:56.600 being are we being punked or

01:10:58.860 is this is is this an actual

01:11:01.540 reality that we're moving

01:11:02.940 into calling the menstruators

01:11:05.920 rather than talking about the

01:11:08.860 reality of men and women?

01:11:10.200 It's it's crazy.

01:11:12.000 This reminds me of that trans

01:11:14.500 flasher on the lawn of the

01:11:16.560 White House not too long ago

01:11:18.240 during Pride Month.

01:11:20.480 And this is the kind of

01:11:22.660 this is where it's heading.

01:11:24.720 Right.

01:11:24.860 This is this is the kind of

01:11:26.340 immorality and disrespect from

01:11:28.680 this group of people who think

01:11:30.860 it's OK to for

01:11:33.020 for a man to flash his

01:11:35.700 his false breath, his

01:11:37.580 moobs, you know,

01:11:39.460 right there in front of children

01:11:41.020 and say that this is the new

01:11:43.240 normal for morality, that we're

01:11:44.720 going to we're going to we're

01:11:46.320 going to free body parts so that

01:11:47.980 everybody can enjoy them with

01:11:49.340 us.

01:11:49.660 And we're going to have an

01:11:50.240 entire month where people

01:11:51.520 essentially are asking others to

01:11:53.660 celebrate their sex life, who

01:11:56.200 they like to have sex with.

01:11:58.360 I just think that that's that's.

01:12:01.860 That's that's weird and that's

01:12:04.740 wrong and we shouldn't be doing

01:12:06.140 that.

01:12:06.700 And if you want to do it, at least

01:12:08.400 keep it away from the kids.

01:12:10.260 Don't stick it in their face.

01:12:12.480 No, the kids are our target.

01:12:13.900 Number one, I mean, we talked

01:12:15.080 yesterday about how there's now

01:12:17.300 this big celebration of men

01:12:20.160 with their moobs trying to

01:12:22.920 breastfeed upset infants who are

01:12:26.400 not getting milk.

01:12:27.680 And even though it may be

01:12:29.040 possible with a ton of hormones

01:12:30.500 and breast pumps and so on to do

01:12:31.920 it, they're being celebrated.

01:12:34.320 There was this ITV, a major

01:12:36.520 broadcaster in the UK that was

01:12:38.100 celebrating a man doing this as

01:12:40.480 the face of womanhood.

01:12:41.680 The story was about motherhood

01:12:43.700 and they used a man with his

01:12:45.960 moobs trying to breastfeed an

01:12:47.780 infant.

01:12:48.520 Then we find out this guy.

01:12:50.260 There are pictures of him

01:12:51.440 online with nipple clamps on

01:12:53.400 his nipples.

01:12:54.280 He's got a fetish and I was

01:12:55.800 using a baby apparently to get

01:12:57.960 after it.

01:12:59.080 And then we find out today.

01:13:00.340 Here's another man who started a

01:13:02.220 GoFundMe to try to buy breast

01:13:05.560 pumps to help him lactate.

01:13:08.560 Forgive me.

01:13:09.340 It's not 10.

01:13:10.000 I've always wanted to be able

01:13:12.520 to lactate.

01:13:13.680 And today, my doctor, after my

01:13:16.560 EKG results, said that he's

01:13:20.280 feeling confident enough to start

01:13:21.840 me on this medication regularly.

01:13:25.380 And it has some serious side

01:13:28.140 effects, but I'm only going to be

01:13:30.040 taking it for two weeks, up to

01:13:32.220 three weeks possible.

01:13:33.100 So within two weeks, I should be

01:13:37.000 lactating.

01:13:37.780 The rest is on me.

01:13:39.340 I'm going to have to pump and keep

01:13:40.860 a supply.

01:13:42.420 This is the tough part.

01:13:43.840 I have one pump.

01:13:45.520 I need two pumps.

01:13:47.760 And I'm the amount of lactate,

01:13:51.040 the amount of pumping that I have

01:13:52.660 to do to lactate is going to require

01:13:55.440 a better pump than what I got.

01:13:56.780 I mean, I have electric pump, but I

01:13:58.520 need the two of them and I need them

01:14:00.180 where they're more compact and I'm

01:14:02.340 going to start a GoFundMe.

01:14:04.920 I need some help.

01:14:08.880 Sick.

01:14:09.600 I mean, it's truly evil.

01:14:10.920 Isn't it fun when we try to play

01:14:13.960 God and we try to say,

01:14:18.960 okay, let's just think here.

01:14:21.600 Let's deconstruct the building blocks

01:14:24.480 of reality and gender and biology

01:14:27.740 and essential relationships for human

01:14:31.160 society.

01:14:32.340 Let's mix them all up and try

01:14:33.740 something new.

01:14:34.860 Isn't this leading us in a healthy

01:14:36.880 direction?

01:14:38.140 Oh my goodness.

01:14:39.820 Terrifying.

01:14:40.720 It really is evil.

01:14:42.040 Well, and, and, and, and the ones

01:14:47.160 that I am, my heart goes out for the

01:14:49.800 most are.

01:14:52.920 Yes.

01:14:53.360 The people who are caught up in, in

01:14:55.260 that kind of a, of a, of a confused

01:14:58.060 web and they're vulnerable to that

01:15:02.620 kind of things, maybe because of trauma

01:15:04.960 in their life.

01:15:06.380 And, uh, that's why we need to have

01:15:09.280 hearts of compassion toward people.

01:15:10.840 And then think of our children who

01:15:12.780 are growing up and this is their

01:15:14.080 normal.

01:15:15.080 This isn't a weird and woke world

01:15:17.360 that they're being introduced to

01:15:18.860 contra reality.

01:15:20.300 This is their reality.

01:15:22.340 And that's what's so disturbing and

01:15:25.400 concerning for people like us.

01:15:27.260 This has happened on our watch and

01:15:29.180 we're handing this down as a legacy

01:15:31.420 to our children, unless we reverse

01:15:33.840 course.

01:15:34.920 Um, Megan, I brought something with

01:15:36.280 me that, um, I think can.

01:15:39.160 Help us understand what we need to get

01:15:43.960 back to, uh, what, one of my favorite

01:15:45.480 heroes of history is, his name is

01:15:47.040 Charles Spurgeon.

01:15:48.020 He was a minister in England, uh, back

01:15:50.240 in the 1800s.

01:15:51.020 And he said, don't waste any time

01:15:53.500 trying to explain the crookedness of a

01:15:55.780 stick.

01:15:57.300 All you have to do is lay a straight

01:15:59.620 stick beside it.

01:16:00.920 And the work is done.

01:16:02.680 Hmm.

01:16:03.320 Speak the truth and error is abashed in

01:16:07.320 its presence.

01:16:08.740 And it's very difficult to explain to

01:16:11.680 children today how crooked our society

01:16:14.180 has become because it is their normal.

01:16:18.000 And they're being told that that is the

01:16:20.780 plumb line for reality.

01:16:22.080 What we need to do is hold the straight

01:16:24.100 stick up for them as parents.

01:16:26.400 And one of the things that I have

01:16:28.960 championed for the last, uh, 10 years

01:16:31.880 is something that is a national treasure.

01:16:35.660 There is a monument that our forefathers

01:16:37.780 and foremothers left us.

01:16:39.580 The pilgrims left for us the largest

01:16:42.520 granite monument in America.

01:16:45.180 And it's hidden in a forest in Plymouth,

01:16:48.340 Massachusetts, right off of Cape Cod.

01:16:50.960 And nobody knows that it's there and it

01:16:54.540 spells out their secret sauce recipe for

01:16:57.700 building a free and just society with

01:17:00.620 lasting liberty for generations.

01:17:03.700 And I made a replica of it so that I

01:17:06.820 could teach it in universities to, uh,

01:17:10.360 elected officials in Congress to ministers

01:17:13.420 and churches and parents.

01:17:15.180 I think I've got a picture here.

01:17:16.820 Tell me if you see it.

01:17:17.760 Uh, I gave it to your producer.

01:17:19.420 Yeah, I see it.

01:17:20.280 It's 81 feet tall, 180 tons of granite.

01:17:24.020 It's the largest granite monument in

01:17:25.920 America.

01:17:26.340 Look how tall the people are standing in

01:17:27.920 front of it.

01:17:28.860 Uh, here's the, here's a replica that I

01:17:30.540 made of it that I take around the

01:17:33.900 country.

01:17:34.800 And I'm going to give you a quick, uh,

01:17:37.460 unlocking of the, this matrix of

01:17:40.180 liberty to tell you so that if we as a

01:17:43.980 nation ever lose our way, our forefathers

01:17:47.540 and mothers gave us the deactivation code

01:17:51.340 for the woke matrix, and we can find our

01:17:55.160 way back to Liberty here, here's, here's

01:17:56.900 how it works.

01:17:57.940 There's five figures, one, two, three, four,

01:18:01.040 five around the base, the tallest and the

01:18:03.380 most important at the top.

01:18:05.280 Her name is faith.

01:18:06.440 She's pointing to heaven.

01:18:08.060 She's holding the Bible in her hands and

01:18:10.780 she's got a star on her forehead

01:18:13.040 representing wisdom.

01:18:14.780 They said that if you want to have

01:18:16.880 liberty, you must start with faith in

01:18:18.560 God and in his word, and God will give

01:18:21.060 you wisdom so you can reason about how

01:18:23.960 you do your society.

01:18:26.020 And the first manifestation of that, uh,

01:18:28.920 scriptural biblical wisdom is right here.

01:18:32.120 And her name is morality.

01:18:35.340 Morality is holding the 10 commandments in

01:18:37.580 her left hand and the scroll of revelation

01:18:39.820 in her right hand.

01:18:40.780 But they didn't believe Megan that morality

01:18:43.220 was an external standard imposed by a

01:18:46.520 king or the government.

01:18:47.540 It began with an internal transformation

01:18:50.140 of the heart through the, the gospel.

01:18:53.280 And I know that because under her chair

01:18:55.540 on the left, it says evangelist, the

01:18:58.540 gospel would be preached.

01:18:59.960 A person would turn to God because they

01:19:02.800 recognize God's love for them.

01:19:04.460 It would change their heart on the inside

01:19:06.480 and they wanted to be good.

01:19:08.540 And then you had the external standard

01:19:10.120 written in the word of God so that they

01:19:12.360 never got confused about it and exchanged

01:19:15.020 evil for good and good for evil.

01:19:16.540 That then becomes the moral foundation

01:19:18.740 for your laws.

01:19:20.900 And there's the man of law, the judge

01:19:22.800 seated in the judge's chair, holding

01:19:24.780 the book of law in his hand.

01:19:26.680 And if you notice the book of law in the

01:19:28.780 judge's hand is directly beneath the book

01:19:30.700 of law in faith hand, indicating that God's

01:19:34.160 man's laws must line up under God's laws

01:19:36.900 or they're not good laws.

01:19:38.360 And he's balanced by justice on his right

01:19:40.760 and mercy on his left, because God is both

01:19:44.660 just and merciful.

01:19:46.780 Once you've restrained evil in your society,

01:19:49.580 now you can do the sacred duty of educating

01:19:53.400 your children.

01:19:54.240 You've got to pass this on to the next generation.

01:19:56.740 And there is a woman.

01:19:58.320 Notice this is not a government official.

01:20:00.320 This is likely a parent, a mom, who's holding the book

01:20:03.400 of knowledge in her hand, which is the ancient

01:20:05.900 scriptures.

01:20:06.440 She has a wreath of victory around her head

01:20:09.140 and she's training up her children in the way

01:20:11.680 they should go.

01:20:12.560 Right here it says youth.

01:20:14.400 And on the other side is an old man named wisdom.

01:20:17.740 They believed if you trained your kids to the third

01:20:19.920 and fourth generation that you would produce the

01:20:26.340 desired result, which is not only wisdom, but liberty.

01:20:31.720 And there is the liberty man seated in his chair.

01:20:36.080 He's dressed in the full armor of God, faith,

01:20:40.340 the word of God, salvation, truth, peace,

01:20:44.840 all of these things.

01:20:45.860 And he's overthrown tyranny.

01:20:47.680 He's free inside from the snakes in his head

01:20:51.580 and the demons in his heart, all those deadly sins

01:20:53.980 we talked about.

01:20:54.760 And he's free externally from the power of tyrants

01:20:57.200 and bad governments.

01:20:58.180 And he's ready to defend everything behind him

01:21:01.080 because it's precious to him.

01:21:03.040 And his wife is right here on his left.

01:21:05.500 And her name is Peace.

01:21:06.820 And she's prospering at peace,

01:21:09.540 generous to take care of not only her family,

01:21:12.080 but other people who need her help.

01:21:15.620 How many of you who are watching this think we should

01:21:18.420 get back to these values in the United States of America?

01:21:21.020 This is the straight stick that can show us the crookedness

01:21:25.820 of a weird and woke culture that is not progressive at all.

01:21:30.260 It's actually regressive, going back to the way the world was

01:21:34.520 before these principles flourished in America.

01:21:39.060 That was beautiful.

01:21:41.040 After this break, we're going to talk about you and your wife

01:21:44.140 as the straight stick in comparison to Mayor Bill de Blasio

01:21:48.140 and his wife and what's happening there

01:21:51.480 with just a desecration of what's supposed to be

01:21:53.940 a holy, beautiful union that, of course,

01:21:56.220 is being celebrated by The New York Times and others.

01:21:58.880 The one and only Kirk Cameron.

01:22:00.460 He didn't wear his naked shoulders and suspenders

01:22:03.280 on the program today, but he is bringing a lot of beauty

01:22:06.140 to the show with his words.

01:22:08.380 Stand by for more.

01:22:12.180 Before we get to the weird marriage of Mayor Bill de Blasio,

01:22:15.660 I've got to talk to you about Hunter Biden

01:22:18.060 and this love child, Navy, who he had with a woman

01:22:23.760 out of wedlock.

01:22:25.780 She had the baby and she has had to pursue him

01:22:28.800 for four years to acknowledge his parental responsibilities

01:22:31.360 just in terms of finances.

01:22:34.380 You know, we've been talking a lot about the amount

01:22:35.880 of money he made thanks to Ukraine connections

01:22:38.400 and China connections through his dad.

01:22:40.820 He apparently didn't want to use one cent of any of that

01:22:43.120 to support the child that he fathered.

01:22:46.080 And I use that term very loosely.

01:22:48.160 And so now he's been ordered to pay paternity

01:22:50.180 for this child.

01:22:51.320 He went into court to lower it from $20,000 a month

01:22:53.820 and they allowed him to do that.

01:22:55.500 But he's given the mother a few paintings of his

01:22:58.000 to try to sell to support this girl.

01:23:01.720 Meanwhile, this daughter is four years old.

01:23:03.800 She has never met Hunter Biden, her dad.

01:23:06.220 She has never met Joe Biden, her grandfather,

01:23:08.760 though she knows that they are her father

01:23:11.420 and grandfather, respectively.

01:23:13.480 The White House, while touting Joe Biden's love

01:23:16.120 for his family every time we talk about

01:23:18.440 the Hunter Biden drug story,

01:23:20.360 is under strict orders never to refer to this child

01:23:23.540 and to say he only has six grandchildren, not seven.

01:23:26.720 The White House staffers have reportedly been briefed on that.

01:23:29.160 They're not allowed to bring her up.

01:23:30.780 Hunter won't acknowledge her.

01:23:32.260 What do you make of it?

01:23:32.920 Wow, I think of the character quality here

01:23:38.060 that we see that's lacking,

01:23:40.360 and that is honesty, transparency.

01:23:43.820 We want that from our president.

01:23:45.420 We want that from anyone who's representing us

01:23:47.720 in powerful places.

01:23:49.520 And this is a subject that I feel very personally connected to

01:23:53.480 when we're talking about children

01:23:55.520 that are the result of unplanned pregnancies

01:23:58.220 in very difficult and perhaps embarrassing circumstances.

01:24:03.640 My wife and I have six kids, as we talked about.

01:24:05.900 Four of our children are adopted,

01:24:07.420 and a couple of my children have had the opportunity

01:24:10.120 to actually make contact with their birth parents.

01:24:14.000 And this is after decades,

01:24:17.000 and they finally met them and found out stories.

01:24:20.120 And these are difficult circumstances

01:24:22.980 and stories for them to hear.

01:24:25.200 But that child is precious.

01:24:28.400 That little child is my daughter, is my son.

01:24:31.260 I would never deny them or act like they don't exist.

01:24:34.980 In fact, I'm choosing as their dad to embrace them

01:24:38.560 and all the difficult circumstances and say,

01:24:41.460 you know what?

01:24:42.900 Your life is part of a great big story,

01:24:45.420 and you play a really important role in that.

01:24:48.560 And God's got great plans for you.

01:24:50.080 So that's what I want to see,

01:24:52.000 is I want to see people take responsibility

01:24:54.740 for not only their actions,

01:24:57.320 but wrap their arms around their entire family

01:24:59.700 and not push people to the margins

01:25:01.920 and act like they don't exist.

01:25:03.580 That's such a good point.

01:25:04.820 Is it so hard?

01:25:05.960 He made a mistake.

01:25:07.060 You know, he obviously had unprotected sex

01:25:08.920 with a woman, not his wife.

01:25:11.000 And a baby was produced, and she chose to have it.

01:25:13.760 She's here now.

01:25:14.620 You know, whatever he wanted,

01:25:16.200 whatever he regrets, she's here now.

01:25:18.840 And though he may not want to go down

01:25:21.080 and marry this woman,

01:25:22.540 he could play an active role in this little girl's life.

01:25:25.180 He could acknowledge her.

01:25:26.520 He could give her some love, some visitation,

01:25:29.600 some sort of acknowledgement,

01:25:31.080 but neither he nor his dad will.

01:25:33.120 And I just feel sad for her.

01:25:34.540 I just feel sad she knows.

01:25:36.380 And every time she has to hear Joe Biden

01:25:38.000 talk about his six grandkids, his six grandkids,

01:25:40.140 you know, it's not like most kids

01:25:41.740 who may find themselves in this position.

01:25:43.860 He's president of the United States, right?

01:25:46.020 She's got to see her grandpa

01:25:47.380 and will have to for the next

01:25:49.400 whatever number of years.

01:25:50.860 The whole thing's just sad.

01:25:53.600 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:54.680 And, you know, that's where faith in God is so,

01:25:58.460 it's such a guiding light

01:25:59.800 and such a support and a comfort.

01:26:03.080 Sometimes what other people mean for evil,

01:26:04.980 God can use for good.

01:26:06.620 And sometimes he can take the things that he hates

01:26:08.640 and use them to accomplish the things that he loves.

01:26:11.260 And I've seen that happen in my own family.

01:26:14.540 And I think that it could happen

01:26:16.040 and that it's never too late to decide to do the right thing.

01:26:21.120 Or maybe it'll go a different way.

01:26:22.760 Maybe God will use this little girl

01:26:24.700 to accomplish something amazing

01:26:26.120 because of this experience

01:26:29.700 and whatever it's creating inside of her.

01:26:31.860 You know, maybe it will inspire her

01:26:33.000 to do something great in her life.

01:26:35.080 That's what we can pray for.

01:26:36.760 Yeah.

01:26:37.540 On a separate but not totally unrelated note,

01:26:39.960 we've got to talk about Bill de Blasio.

01:26:41.540 So, I mean, I lived in New York

01:26:43.560 for this guy's entire term as mayor, both of them.

01:26:47.480 And he ruined New York.

01:26:48.940 We could go down the list of the number of ways

01:26:50.620 in which he ruined New York.

01:26:52.120 One of the main ways

01:26:53.100 was he created these weird incentives

01:26:55.140 that allowed the huge megastores to prosper,

01:27:00.020 like the big CVS chains and Starbucks chains

01:27:03.340 and big Citibank chains to prosper

01:27:06.280 and edging out the mom and pop shops

01:27:09.240 that made New York, New York.

01:27:11.060 You know, the corner delis,

01:27:12.280 the corner pharmacies owned by, you know,

01:27:13.860 the guy whose name you know.

01:27:15.320 And the streets of New York

01:27:16.760 changed dramatically as a result.

01:27:18.440 And then that's not even to touch on

01:27:19.800 the homelessness, the drugs,

01:27:21.100 and then ultimately the defunding of the police

01:27:24.120 and the demoralization of the police,

01:27:26.660 which changed the streets of New York.

01:27:28.600 So you would think that even the New York Times,

01:27:31.700 which fully understands what he did to Manhattan

01:27:33.920 and the five boroughs entirely,

01:27:36.580 would be a little skeptical

01:27:37.620 of giving this guy a fawning profile.

01:27:40.020 But that's what they did

01:27:41.900 because what he was trying to say was,

01:27:44.860 I have this quirky marriage

01:27:45.940 and we're so cool and progressive

01:27:47.680 that we want to celebrate

01:27:49.660 a different way of doing marriage,

01:27:51.060 which is to have an open marriage, I guess,

01:27:53.960 where you're no longer faithful to one another.

01:27:56.320 Nobody moves out of the marital home,

01:27:59.000 but you start dating other people.

01:28:02.340 The way they ended the piece

01:28:04.700 was with de Blasio quoting

01:28:06.660 two favorite phrases of his wife's.

01:28:10.080 Labels put people in boxes

01:28:12.180 and those boxes are shaped like coffins.

01:28:15.460 Another one, quote,

01:28:16.480 I never want to be stuck.

01:28:18.420 And another one prized by de Blasio's brother,

01:28:21.520 who's a Tibetan Buddhist, quote,

01:28:23.220 avoid attachments.

01:28:25.860 That was written into your vows to Chelsea,

01:28:28.560 was it not?

01:28:29.220 Avoid attachments.

01:28:31.540 And I never want to be stuck.

01:28:35.320 Yeah.

01:28:36.760 Yeah, this is where we're heading.

01:28:39.180 You know,

01:28:39.660 I found that in the world,

01:28:42.200 there's at least two groups of people

01:28:44.640 when I'm looking for answers to problems.

01:28:47.200 There's the reporters

01:28:48.140 and there's the reformers.

01:28:49.620 There are those who sit back

01:28:52.380 and sort of report and comment

01:28:54.600 on all the bad things that are happening.

01:28:57.420 And after a while,

01:28:58.180 I stopped listening to them

01:28:59.240 because I'm already on board

01:29:00.900 that we've got a problem.

01:29:02.260 What I'm looking for is the solution.

01:29:04.220 And then I find that there are reformers

01:29:06.340 who actually want to bring about change.

01:29:08.420 The problem is

01:29:09.280 people like this are reformers

01:29:12.700 that are looking to reform things,

01:29:14.320 but they don't have the right standard

01:29:16.060 to reform too.

01:29:17.200 So if you don't know

01:29:19.840 what marriage really is,

01:29:21.580 that it's this sacred,

01:29:23.340 stole-fusing body

01:29:25.960 combining into one flesh relationship

01:29:30.900 that is to be honored

01:29:32.820 and it's excluding all others,

01:29:37.780 then you're going to reform marriage

01:29:40.480 in a way that actually deforms it.

01:29:42.820 And that's what we've been doing.

01:29:44.080 We've gotten rid of the straight stick

01:29:46.100 to reference my previous metaphor

01:29:48.700 and replaced it with a crooked stick

01:29:50.960 and now anything is acceptable.

01:29:53.040 That actually means

01:29:54.440 that you can't really attach truth

01:29:56.940 to reality anymore.

01:29:59.360 And what is false

01:30:01.140 and what is harmful or hurtful

01:30:04.100 or is going to produce shame

01:30:05.440 and guilt and pain

01:30:06.960 is actually being championed.

01:30:09.080 So at the end of the day,

01:30:13.180 I believe that we need to get back

01:30:16.340 to the real definitions

01:30:18.600 of sacred things

01:30:20.240 like children and family

01:30:22.240 and marriage and gender.

01:30:24.920 And I don't have to look too much further

01:30:27.220 than the words of an ancient Jewish carpenter

01:30:32.120 named Jesus of Nazareth

01:30:33.400 who when he was asked

01:30:35.060 by the religious people of the day,

01:30:36.900 is it okay for a man to divorce his wife

01:30:39.140 for any reason at all?

01:30:40.740 Jesus held up the honor of this relationship

01:30:43.700 and he said,

01:30:44.620 you know, from the beginning,

01:30:45.880 it's been said that a man

01:30:47.320 shall leave his father and his mother.

01:30:49.960 He created mankind in male and female.

01:30:53.600 He will join together with his wife

01:30:55.120 and the two will become one flesh.

01:30:57.720 And right there,

01:30:58.780 we have the straight stick definition

01:31:01.480 of gender,

01:31:04.080 of marriage,

01:31:04.860 and sexuality.

01:31:06.660 And 4,000 years

01:31:08.220 of Judeo-Christian ethics

01:31:11.060 and definition of marriage and family

01:31:13.040 has produced

01:31:14.400 the very best results.

01:31:16.140 If we start tinkering with that,

01:31:17.820 we're going to be like

01:31:18.580 the mad scientist,

01:31:20.140 Dr. Frankenstein,

01:31:21.520 who creates a monster

01:31:23.040 and then you don't know

01:31:24.340 what to do with it.

01:31:25.940 And if that becomes the new normal

01:31:27.540 for marriage and family,

01:31:28.960 we can only imagine the chaos

01:31:31.780 that's going to come from it.

01:31:34.040 He had the gall

01:31:35.500 to tweet out the story

01:31:37.080 with the following phrase,

01:31:39.500 this is a love story.

01:31:42.480 It's not a love story.

01:31:44.180 It is nothing that I recognize as love.

01:31:46.940 If you marry someone

01:31:48.380 and, you know,

01:31:49.800 you have a troubled marriage

01:31:50.820 or you decide

01:31:51.480 after all your years together

01:31:52.540 you don't want to be with them,

01:31:53.660 I do believe in divorce.

01:31:54.800 I've had one,

01:31:55.980 although I'm guilted

01:31:57.720 over the fact that

01:31:58.220 I haven't yet had it an old

01:31:59.380 I've talked about on the show

01:32:00.400 many times.

01:32:01.060 I'm working on that.

01:32:02.040 But but I don't believe

01:32:05.360 in desecrating the institution

01:32:06.780 of marriage by staying in it

01:32:08.320 and still calling yourself marriage

01:32:10.020 and calling it a love story

01:32:11.580 while you invite another man

01:32:13.040 into your bed

01:32:13.780 in your marital home

01:32:15.100 as he walks past the pictures

01:32:17.200 of you and your family

01:32:18.340 on the way to your bedroom.

01:32:19.680 That's not normal

01:32:21.120 and I'm not going to support it.

01:32:22.800 Yeah, right.

01:32:26.620 Unless

01:32:27.220 unless

01:32:29.300 you're trouncing

01:32:30.720 on your husband's

01:32:32.720 desires

01:32:34.320 that he feels

01:32:35.700 most comfortable with

01:32:36.720 and now

01:32:37.220 now

01:32:38.140 now

01:32:38.680 you are

01:32:39.760 the one

01:32:40.280 who's discriminating

01:32:41.280 against

01:32:42.060 somebody who prefers

01:32:43.440 an open relationship.

01:32:44.320 So, right,

01:32:45.080 it really comes down to

01:32:46.260 what's good

01:32:47.160 what's right

01:32:48.280 what's true

01:32:49.160 what's honoring

01:32:50.140 are there any things

01:32:51.700 that are sacred

01:32:52.400 and and by what definition

01:32:54.960 and so

01:32:56.200 that's what I think

01:32:57.120 we need to decide

01:32:58.080 as a society

01:32:59.280 what are we going to come back to

01:33:00.880 he says in the piece

01:33:02.540 first of all

01:33:03.100 she was an out lesbian

01:33:04.420 when they got married

01:33:05.300 so this is a

01:33:06.260 like don't marry a lesbian

01:33:07.620 if you're a man

01:33:08.600 okay

01:33:08.940 this is

01:33:10.080 so there was

01:33:10.980 there was

01:33:11.480 there was

01:33:11.980 there was a clue

01:33:12.740 right

01:33:13.900 just like

01:33:14.460 you don't have to be

01:33:15.560 a relationship

01:33:16.220 like Dr. Phil

01:33:17.000 to know

01:33:18.440 that it's a no

01:33:20.040 then

01:33:21.780 second of all

01:33:22.720 there's an interesting quote

01:33:23.560 in here where he says

01:33:24.200 I should have said more to her

01:33:25.480 are you happy

01:33:26.740 what will make you happy

01:33:28.240 what's missing in your life

01:33:30.100 and honestly

01:33:30.880 I wonder what you think

01:33:31.560 about this Kurt

01:33:31.980 because my first reaction

01:33:32.800 was

01:33:33.460 no

01:33:34.260 that's actually not

01:33:35.200 the job of a spouse

01:33:36.140 that's

01:33:36.500 that's our own jobs

01:33:37.480 for ourselves

01:33:38.240 to ask ourselves

01:33:39.500 to figure out for ourselves

01:33:40.520 what will make us happy

01:33:41.420 what's missing in our lives

01:33:42.520 and to work on

01:33:43.600 unfilling that

01:33:44.880 with our

01:33:45.720 by ourselves

01:33:46.640 your relationship

01:33:47.620 to your partner

01:33:48.380 it's not their

01:33:49.660 quote

01:33:50.040 to make you happy

01:33:51.000 it's their

01:33:51.680 your partners

01:33:52.560 you go through life together

01:33:53.620 you

01:33:53.960 you're thinking

01:33:55.040 all day about

01:33:55.960 what you can do

01:33:57.240 that's going to lift up

01:33:58.780 yourself

01:33:59.320 and lift up your family

01:34:00.400 but it's not about

01:34:01.160 going to the other person

01:34:02.040 and saying

01:34:02.380 what's missing in your life

01:34:03.520 I will fill it

01:34:04.380 I will fix it

01:34:05.300 yeah

01:34:06.580 I think you're right

01:34:07.840 and I've been married

01:34:08.920 for 32 years

01:34:09.980 and so

01:34:10.640 I

01:34:12.300 I've found

01:34:13.580 and I've learned

01:34:14.420 through

01:34:15.220 a school of hard knocks

01:34:16.860 and trial and error

01:34:17.680 that

01:34:18.680 man

01:34:19.420 if I

01:34:19.640 if I focus

01:34:20.660 on

01:34:21.360 my spouse

01:34:22.660 making me happy

01:34:24.060 that's

01:34:26.060 that's a losing

01:34:28.860 strategy

01:34:29.740 because I think

01:34:31.200 you know

01:34:31.720 who makes you happy

01:34:32.640 God

01:34:35.300 is the one

01:34:36.200 who fills

01:34:36.960 the deepest

01:34:37.580 desires

01:34:38.180 of your heart

01:34:39.160 and

01:34:39.920 and

01:34:40.240 and that happens

01:34:41.420 when we start

01:34:42.340 with gratitude

01:34:43.380 and we say

01:34:44.680 wow

01:34:45.420 I'm breathing

01:34:46.580 I'm alive

01:34:47.540 on planet earth

01:34:48.520 and for some of us

01:34:49.820 I'm alive

01:34:50.660 on the greatest country

01:34:51.740 in the world

01:34:52.560 during a time

01:34:53.700 where I can make

01:34:54.420 a real difference

01:34:55.260 against the forces

01:34:56.080 of darkness

01:34:56.720 and if I'm

01:34:57.760 so fortunate

01:34:58.820 to be married

01:34:59.620 wow

01:35:00.740 I want to

01:35:02.260 serve you

01:35:03.000 not

01:35:03.380 not to make you happy

01:35:04.860 but because

01:35:05.680 I want to do that

01:35:06.840 in order to

01:35:07.600 to demonstrate

01:35:08.580 to God

01:35:09.200 that I'm grateful

01:35:09.980 for you

01:35:10.540 because

01:35:11.080 you're a treasure

01:35:12.160 in my life

01:35:12.880 and

01:35:13.620 I've got everything

01:35:14.600 I need

01:35:15.280 when I look

01:35:16.420 to the one

01:35:16.980 who made me

01:35:17.800 he's my help

01:35:18.880 and I

01:35:19.840 am asking him

01:35:20.780 to show me

01:35:21.160 how to be a good

01:35:21.720 spouse to you

01:35:22.520 because

01:35:23.280 he's been so good

01:35:25.780 to me

01:35:26.120 that's how I look

01:35:27.420 at marriage

01:35:27.800 that's

01:35:28.120 that's what

01:35:28.860 what I've learned

01:35:29.700 and and then

01:35:30.400 then everything

01:35:31.260 is a blessing

01:35:31.820 even the struggles

01:35:32.600 even the difficult

01:35:33.180 things

01:35:33.540 and you know

01:35:35.200 for those who

01:35:36.420 have gone

01:35:37.620 through a divorce

01:35:38.500 I think divorce

01:35:40.100 is a

01:35:40.720 is

01:35:41.140 is a sweet

01:35:42.780 welcomed

01:35:43.440 rescue

01:35:45.740 from

01:35:46.780 abusive relationships

01:35:48.960 dangerous relationships

01:35:50.480 relationships

01:35:51.220 that

01:35:52.180 have been

01:35:52.860 broken by

01:35:53.420 people's

01:35:53.880 unfaithfulness

01:35:54.520 and

01:35:55.440 and I think

01:35:56.460 there's no

01:35:56.780 there's no

01:35:57.220 judgment there

01:35:57.880 but I love

01:35:58.680 that you said

01:35:59.180 we want to

01:35:59.640 honor what

01:36:00.180 marriage is

01:36:00.840 what it can be

01:36:01.760 because it's

01:36:02.580 really a beautiful

01:36:03.240 thing

01:36:03.640 yeah

01:36:04.600 and you know

01:36:05.540 they say that

01:36:06.380 they're

01:36:06.600 they're going

01:36:07.000 to stay

01:36:07.260 together

01:36:07.660 but they

01:36:08.300 just don't

01:36:08.720 need to

01:36:09.120 possess each

01:36:09.720 other

01:36:09.960 this is

01:36:10.800 going to

01:36:11.120 fail

01:36:11.360 I'm on

01:36:12.000 record

01:36:12.280 this will

01:36:12.900 fail

01:36:13.220 they will

01:36:13.600 wind up

01:36:13.960 divorced

01:36:14.300 this is

01:36:14.860 not

01:36:15.060 sustainable

01:36:15.520 look to

01:36:16.500 what

01:36:16.760 Kirk and

01:36:17.280 Chelsea

01:36:17.520 have done

01:36:17.960 that's a

01:36:18.460 much better

01:36:19.060 straight stick

01:36:19.980 Kirk Cameron

01:36:21.200 all the best

01:36:22.140 so nice to

01:36:23.020 have you here

01:36:23.600 go get his book

01:36:24.480 and support him

01:36:25.040 in the library

01:36:25.600 cause on

01:36:26.200 August 5th

01:36:27.560 take care

01:36:28.200 thanks for

01:36:31.740 listening to

01:36:32.200 the Megan

01:36:32.480 Kelly show

01:36:33.120 no BS

01:36:34.000 no agenda

01:36:34.760 and no fear

01:36:35.900 no it's

01:36:44.560 no, no

01:36:45.140 no

01:36:45.260 no

01:36:47.220 no

01:36:47.440 no

01:36:48.920 no

01:36:49.180 no

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 07, 2023

Did Joe Biden Actually Exploit Hunter, and Winning the Culture War, with Miranda Devine and Kirk Cameron ｜ Ep. 583

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