The Megyn Kelly Show - Election Aftermath, with Clay Travis and Dennis Prager

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.540 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.320 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly and welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:44.540 We've got a packed show for you today.

00:00:46.580 It was an interesting weekend.

00:00:48.120 Joe Biden sent out a tweet.

00:00:49.340 I responded and Twitter lost its mind

00:00:51.600 because it's a very shallow place.

00:00:53.940 We'll talk about it in a minute.

00:00:55.580 And we're also going to be joined today

00:00:57.000 by Clay Travis and Dennis Prager,

00:00:59.140 both of whom I'm very excited to talk to.

00:01:01.380 You're going to love these guys.

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00:02:15.760 So I mentioned to you that it was an interesting weekend,

00:02:18.780 and I, you know, I followed the news developments day-to-day

00:02:22.520 as the presidential race got called, same as you did.

00:02:25.620 And then on Saturday, as you know,

00:02:27.120 the media declared Joe Biden the winner

00:02:28.640 of the presidential contest,

00:02:30.140 and jubilant crowds took to the streets,

00:02:33.240 packed in like sardines,

00:02:34.400 because once again,

00:02:35.940 your child cannot go to school or sports,

00:02:37.920 but the coronavirus knows not to attack Biden supporters,

00:02:41.220 or BLM protesters,

00:02:42.520 or RBG mourners,

00:02:43.640 or NBA championship revelers.

00:02:46.640 I am so sick of seeing these groups of people

00:02:50.900 gathering in public like it's the gay 90s

00:02:53.780 while lecturing the rest of us

00:02:55.380 about civic responsibility and science

00:02:58.220 and how we can't have Thanksgiving.

00:02:59.980 And if you do,

00:03:00.680 make sure it's outside for two hours max

00:03:02.740 with masks on in between bites.

00:03:06.020 But I digress.

00:03:07.860 So Biden was pronounced the winner, right?

00:03:10.800 Trump has not conceded

00:03:11.920 and continues his legal battle,

00:03:13.540 which I will tell you does not appear robust.

00:03:16.600 I've got nothing against Trump

00:03:17.640 kicking the tires of our electoral process.

00:03:19.720 He owes it to his voters

00:03:20.660 to make sure their votes are counted.

00:03:22.880 Even if none pans out,

00:03:24.180 maybe it will be Trump's parting gift, right?

00:03:26.360 To shed some light on flawed voting procedures

00:03:29.240 that have long gone unchecked.

00:03:32.160 Right now, it appears to me, however,

00:03:33.660 that the margins are too big.

00:03:34.900 They're too big for Trump to overcome,

00:03:36.260 even if he can prove voter fraud here or there.

00:03:39.320 If that is the case,

00:03:40.520 Trump should do what he promised to do.

00:03:42.740 Put America first and pass the torch.

00:03:46.700 With or without a concession,

00:03:48.860 Biden's going to take the oath of office in January.

00:03:51.420 And his victory speech on Saturday was quite good.

00:03:54.480 He promised to be a president for everyone,

00:03:56.520 whether you voted for him or not.

00:03:57.920 Right on.

00:03:58.940 He should have stuck with just that.

00:04:01.240 By later that evening, however,

00:04:02.880 Mr. Biden appeared to have gotten a bit drunk

00:04:05.020 on his own rhetorical wine

00:04:06.420 when he added by tweet,

00:04:08.460 quote,

00:04:09.500 a nation united,

00:04:11.480 a nation strengthened,

00:04:14.020 a nation healed,

00:04:15.480 the United States of America.

00:04:18.640 Grandiose?

00:04:19.580 Yes.

00:04:20.480 But it's also patently false.

00:04:22.780 The nation is not united at all.

00:04:25.200 It isn't strengthened.

00:04:26.520 And it certainly isn't healed.

00:04:28.880 The attempt to say otherwise

00:04:29.940 is woefully out of touch.

00:04:33.100 I tweeted that it sounded like

00:04:34.280 something written by a man

00:04:35.340 who had spent the last year

00:04:36.420 in his basement.

00:04:38.180 Perhaps it was aspirational.

00:04:40.640 If so, the grammar was improper.

00:04:42.020 But let's put that to the side.

00:04:43.660 I'm all for unity,

00:04:44.700 strength and healing.

00:04:46.020 Just like I want all diseases cured

00:04:47.840 and also world peace.

00:04:49.480 But let's get real.

00:04:50.980 It's not going to happen.

00:04:53.020 People lost their minds

00:04:54.500 over my response

00:04:55.620 to Biden's tweet yesterday.

00:04:57.260 How dare you challenge, dear leader?

00:04:59.800 Unity is laudable.

00:05:01.360 What kind of a person

00:05:02.080 would challenge that?

00:05:03.560 Oh, and by the way, Kelly,

00:05:04.680 you're a pathetic, desperate racist

00:05:06.160 who should hate Trump

00:05:07.120 for insulting you.

00:05:09.480 Our country is more divided

00:05:11.200 than it's been in decades.

00:05:13.560 Tribalism is at a hundred year high.

00:05:15.840 It is the elite snobs

00:05:18.160 on the news

00:05:19.180 and on the coasts

00:05:21.160 versus the regular folks

00:05:22.340 they detest

00:05:23.120 and for whom the system

00:05:24.520 does not work.

00:05:26.300 It's the woke scolds

00:05:27.740 who want to thought police you

00:05:29.260 right out of a job,

00:05:30.220 not to mention liberty of thought,

00:05:32.540 whether you're left or right,

00:05:33.640 by the way,

00:05:34.640 versus the reasonable middle

00:05:35.880 who wants to let people be

00:05:37.340 and doesn't get off

00:05:39.000 on hurting others.

00:05:40.380 There is no bringing

00:05:41.660 those groups together.

00:05:44.040 Americans are not

00:05:44.700 in their mood for unity,

00:05:46.360 as the responses to my tweet,

00:05:48.400 frankly, proved.

00:05:49.840 They go to cable news

00:05:51.100 by the millions still

00:05:52.100 to have their worldview reinforced.

00:05:54.340 They're on social media

00:05:55.840 fighting and stoking outrage

00:05:57.880 high on the dopamine rush.

00:06:00.300 The politicians

00:06:01.280 who represent them

00:06:02.400 are not interested in compromise

00:06:03.580 thanks to two things.

00:06:04.700 Number one,

00:06:05.860 redistricting

00:06:06.400 that has made many districts

00:06:08.360 all red or all blue

00:06:10.200 and their congressmen

00:06:11.140 accountable only to one party.

00:06:13.280 And two,

00:06:15.020 Citizens United,

00:06:15.840 the Supreme Court case

00:06:16.760 that I believe

00:06:17.740 was rightly decided

00:06:18.540 but which opened the floodgates

00:06:19.940 to corporate money

00:06:20.600 and politics,

00:06:22.000 ensuring a politician's loyalty

00:06:23.360 to big donors,

00:06:25.600 not little people.

00:06:27.820 Now,

00:06:28.100 no one wants to shake hands

00:06:29.140 and make nice.

00:06:30.820 Some people think

00:06:31.760 Trump will finally go

00:06:33.560 and things will get better

00:06:34.580 because he caused

00:06:36.120 this rift between us.

00:06:38.140 But Trump did not cause this.

00:06:40.600 He was a product of it.

00:06:43.480 Barack Obama

00:06:44.280 promised hope and change,

00:06:45.800 but brought division

00:06:46.660 and anger to Washington,

00:06:47.720 shoving health care

00:06:48.740 down our throats

00:06:49.380 without the buy-in

00:06:50.080 of the nation,

00:06:51.140 weighing in on fraught

00:06:52.180 racial cases

00:06:53.080 without knowing

00:06:53.680 any of the facts,

00:06:55.300 lying to America

00:06:56.600 about keeping their doctors

00:06:57.820 and their plans,

00:06:59.440 engaging along with his team

00:07:00.880 in character attacks

00:07:02.260 and personal insults

00:07:03.620 far more than his predecessors.

00:07:05.920 Obama admitted this

00:07:07.000 on leaving office

00:07:07.860 saying the increased rancor

00:07:09.320 in America

00:07:09.800 was one of his greatest regrets.

00:07:12.860 Trump did not

00:07:13.720 cause this problem,

00:07:15.640 nor did he try to solve it.

00:07:17.720 With his frequent attacks

00:07:19.060 and his petty insults

00:07:20.280 and his thin-skinned nature.

00:07:22.320 His supporters know this

00:07:23.600 and many have hated it.

00:07:25.720 But they've also appreciated

00:07:27.280 having a leader

00:07:28.180 who would not bow

00:07:29.480 to a sanctimonious mob

00:07:31.260 that clearly loathes

00:07:33.240 non-leftists.

00:07:35.260 Which brings me back to Biden.

00:07:37.380 A nation united.

00:07:39.120 A nation healed.

00:07:41.220 Over the past four years,

00:07:42.660 the Democrats,

00:07:43.480 now touting that message,

00:07:44.860 rejected the Trump presidency

00:07:46.340 as illegitimate.

00:07:47.460 They called for his impeachment

00:07:48.520 his very first day in office.

00:07:50.260 They started numerous

00:07:51.260 criminal investigations

00:07:52.400 against him and his family.

00:07:53.940 They wasted a year

00:07:54.940 on a BS Russian collusion

00:07:57.060 allegation

00:07:57.640 only to then impeach Trump

00:07:59.620 on another baseless charge.

00:08:02.220 They attacked

00:08:02.940 one of Trump's

00:08:03.760 Supreme Court nominees

00:08:04.860 as an alleged gang rapist.

00:08:07.580 They tried to destroy Trump

00:08:09.200 personally and professionally.

00:08:11.240 And yet,

00:08:12.140 now that Biden's ascending,

00:08:13.960 we're healed.

00:08:14.780 Praise Jesus.

00:08:15.440 But here's the real problem.

00:08:19.120 Number one,

00:08:20.180 the Democrats

00:08:20.820 don't want unity.

00:08:22.920 Maybe some

00:08:23.520 in the center-left do,

00:08:25.180 but AOC

00:08:25.760 and the squad,

00:08:27.060 no.

00:08:27.840 The political left

00:08:28.860 on Twitter,

00:08:29.600 no.

00:08:30.800 Biden's got

00:08:31.460 real unity problems

00:08:32.860 right in

00:08:33.740 Democrat Central.

00:08:34.720 And without cleaning that up,

00:08:35.900 there's no point

00:08:36.480 in calling for brotherhood.

00:08:38.060 And what about

00:08:38.960 the Trump supporters?

00:08:40.180 They're not game

00:08:41.160 for the group hug either.

00:08:42.340 For four years,

00:08:44.640 they have been called

00:08:45.440 the dregs of society.

00:08:47.880 It wasn't enough

00:08:48.840 to go after Trump.

00:08:50.120 Anyone who supported him

00:08:51.200 was labeled a racist,

00:08:52.660 xenophobic,

00:08:53.460 transphobic bigot.

00:08:55.780 Now that Biden's won,

00:08:57.720 those 71 million

00:08:59.100 Republican voters

00:08:59.920 are supposed to

00:09:01.020 simply choose

00:09:01.740 healing.

00:09:02.520 And all that stuff

00:09:04.740 the left said

00:09:05.420 about them

00:09:05.920 being absolutely awful,

00:09:07.780 well, forget about that.

00:09:09.440 Forget about

00:09:10.000 all of this.

00:09:12.940 Listen.

00:09:13.400 Do you think

00:09:14.040 that people

00:09:14.500 who support

00:09:15.040 President Trump

00:09:15.880 and his immigration

00:09:16.700 policies are racist?

00:09:18.600 Anyone who supports

00:09:19.800 this is supporting

00:09:20.780 racism.

00:09:21.820 Trump relied

00:09:22.500 on a coalition

00:09:23.320 and a core part

00:09:24.500 of that coalition

00:09:25.340 were racists.

00:09:26.900 Yeah.

00:09:27.240 Donald Trump

00:09:28.020 is a product

00:09:29.460 of the white

00:09:30.580 man's,

00:09:31.640 the anguished,

00:09:32.560 nervous white guy's

00:09:33.880 lizard brain.

00:09:34.880 Those people

00:09:35.560 who are supporting

00:09:36.540 what he's doing here

00:09:37.920 are racist,

00:09:40.000 period.

00:09:40.660 If you hold down

00:09:42.900 the woman

00:09:43.380 while the rapist

00:09:44.720 is raping her

00:09:45.600 and you didn't rape her,

00:09:47.580 are you a rapist?

00:09:48.640 These policies

00:09:49.500 that this administration

00:09:50.480 is putting forth

00:09:51.820 are intentionally cruel.

00:09:53.400 They are racist

00:09:54.260 and it is our job

00:09:56.100 as citizens

00:09:56.720 to speak out

00:09:57.940 against that.

00:09:58.840 Now, does that mean

00:09:59.500 that we're going

00:09:59.900 to be violent?

00:10:00.420 No.

00:10:01.000 But does that mean

00:10:01.540 that Sarah Sanders

00:10:02.260 can have a nice,

00:10:03.160 quiet dinner

00:10:03.640 with her family

00:10:04.560 when she's taking

00:10:05.460 our tax dollars

00:10:06.840 to implement

00:10:07.980 this policy?

00:10:08.840 I don't think so.

00:10:09.700 You cannot come

00:10:10.600 into this White House

00:10:11.560 with the idea

00:10:12.320 that these people

00:10:13.220 aren't the enemy.

00:10:14.300 They are.

00:10:15.040 This president

00:10:15.660 has radicalized

00:10:16.480 so many more people

00:10:17.560 than ISIS ever did.

00:10:19.160 If you vote

00:10:20.040 for Trump,

00:10:21.460 then you,

00:10:22.740 the voter,

00:10:23.380 you, not Donald Trump,

00:10:24.820 are standing

00:10:25.760 at the border

00:10:26.760 like Nazis

00:10:28.120 going,

00:10:28.700 you here,

00:10:29.220 you here.

00:10:29.700 We all know

00:10:30.320 now that he's

00:10:31.180 a racist.

00:10:32.260 He's a disgusting

00:10:33.400 racist.

00:10:35.000 Anybody who still

00:10:35.960 supports this guy

00:10:36.920 needs to look

00:10:37.700 in the mirror

00:10:38.200 and ask themselves

00:10:39.520 if they are racist

00:10:40.940 also.

00:10:43.980 Ask yourself

00:10:45.020 why the left

00:10:45.980 would even want

00:10:47.340 to unite

00:10:48.160 with such people.

00:10:49.640 Nazis,

00:10:50.500 they said.

00:10:51.280 Racists

00:10:51.760 and bigots

00:10:52.700 and supporters

00:10:53.260 of evil.

00:10:53.960 And as it turns

00:10:55.760 out,

00:10:56.040 the targets

00:10:56.460 of those smears

00:10:57.180 don't appear

00:10:57.960 to me

00:10:58.520 to be in a mood

00:10:59.700 to suddenly

00:11:00.180 kiss and make up.

00:11:02.060 But let's just say

00:11:03.000 we embrace

00:11:03.960 the sunny rhetoric

00:11:04.880 for right now.

00:11:05.720 OK,

00:11:05.980 we have a kumbaya

00:11:06.860 moment in which

00:11:07.640 everyone gets

00:11:08.200 a lifetime pass

00:11:09.060 on the awful

00:11:09.560 things they did

00:11:10.200 and said

00:11:10.500 during Trump.

00:11:11.400 Both sides.

00:11:12.500 Then what?

00:11:13.680 How unified

00:11:14.720 are we really

00:11:15.720 going to be

00:11:16.280 if Biden

00:11:16.940 does indeed

00:11:17.960 try to pack

00:11:18.660 the Supreme Court?

00:11:19.960 If Democrats

00:11:21.040 try to defund

00:11:22.240 the police

00:11:22.980 in your neighborhood.

00:11:24.880 What about

00:11:25.180 when critical

00:11:25.660 race theory

00:11:26.200 classes are

00:11:26.760 mandated again

00:11:27.820 in federal agencies

00:11:28.920 as Biden

00:11:29.640 promises they

00:11:30.300 will be

00:11:30.740 and white

00:11:31.600 people are

00:11:32.140 told to

00:11:32.820 shut up

00:11:33.320 and listen

00:11:33.800 to how

00:11:34.280 they are

00:11:34.560 all white

00:11:35.160 supremacists

00:11:36.000 by nature

00:11:36.660 of their

00:11:37.300 pigmentation?

00:11:38.660 Or how about

00:11:39.620 when one

00:11:40.380 turns on the

00:11:40.820 Oscars

00:11:41.160 or the Emmys

00:11:41.700 or ESPN

00:11:42.580 or CNN

00:11:43.260 or sends

00:11:44.240 a kid

00:11:44.480 to college

00:11:45.040 and hears

00:11:45.800 messages

00:11:46.260 of how

00:11:47.260 Republicans

00:11:47.880 are still

00:11:49.240 even under

00:11:50.440 Joe Biden

00:11:51.140 bigots,

00:11:52.120 racists,

00:11:52.580 and misogynists

00:11:53.540 because they

00:11:54.300 don't want

00:11:54.820 race shaming

00:11:55.480 or to have

00:11:56.620 to say

00:11:56.860 their pronouns

00:11:57.520 or because

00:11:58.300 they believe

00:11:58.980 abortion

00:11:59.460 is murder.

00:12:01.240 Or when

00:12:02.480 they find out

00:12:03.160 that their

00:12:03.420 job application

00:12:04.120 has been

00:12:04.600 blackballed

00:12:05.660 because

00:12:06.220 they supported

00:12:07.580 Trump.

00:12:08.840 That's turning

00:12:09.720 into a thing.

00:12:11.360 AOC

00:12:11.720 is now

00:12:12.680 demanding

00:12:13.140 an archive

00:12:14.100 of Trump

00:12:15.480 sycophants

00:12:16.380 for when

00:12:17.100 they downplay

00:12:18.160 their complicity.

00:12:19.780 What could

00:12:20.000 possibly go wrong

00:12:20.780 with a member

00:12:21.200 of the House

00:12:21.600 majority

00:12:22.020 keeping a

00:12:22.800 list of

00:12:23.160 Trump supporters

00:12:23.820 we need

00:12:24.260 to get?

00:12:25.880 Michael

00:12:26.260 Simon,

00:12:27.100 an ex-Obama

00:12:27.980 Biden guy,

00:12:29.060 has just

00:12:29.620 started the

00:12:30.420 Trump

00:12:30.720 Accountability

00:12:31.540 Project,

00:12:32.300 which he

00:12:32.640 calls a

00:12:33.420 permanent

00:12:33.860 record.

00:12:34.660 Permanent

00:12:35.300 record,

00:12:35.800 people.

00:12:36.760 Of every

00:12:37.440 Trump staffer,

00:12:38.660 appointee,

00:12:39.360 and donor,

00:12:40.100 quoting now,

00:12:41.040 and even

00:12:41.580 his endorsers

00:12:43.200 and enablers.

00:12:45.400 What does that

00:12:46.060 mean?

00:12:47.300 Well,

00:12:48.460 Pete Buttigieg's

00:12:49.500 campaign manager

00:12:50.260 warned that

00:12:50.900 employers thinking

00:12:51.680 of hiring

00:12:52.180 Trump staff

00:12:53.120 need to know

00:12:54.440 there are

00:12:55.300 consequences

00:12:56.100 for hiring

00:12:56.880 anyone

00:12:57.500 who helped

00:12:58.400 Trump.

00:12:59.800 Washington Post

00:13:00.760 columnist

00:13:01.260 Jennifer Rubin

00:13:02.020 tweeted,

00:13:02.600 quote,

00:13:03.260 any Republican

00:13:04.020 now promoting

00:13:04.820 rejection

00:13:05.360 of an election

00:13:06.240 or making

00:13:07.440 baseless

00:13:08.040 allegations of

00:13:08.840 fraud should

00:13:09.520 never serve

00:13:10.660 in office,

00:13:12.200 join a

00:13:12.620 corporate board,

00:13:13.440 have a faculty

00:13:14.180 position,

00:13:14.660 or be accepted

00:13:15.880 into polite

00:13:16.760 society.

00:13:18.040 We have

00:13:18.860 a list,

00:13:20.380 end quote.

00:13:21.220 Got it?

00:13:22.520 No more jobs

00:13:23.520 or polite

00:13:24.240 society.

00:13:25.640 The Washington

00:13:26.260 Post,

00:13:26.800 old democracy

00:13:27.700 dies in

00:13:28.260 darkness,

00:13:28.920 is watching

00:13:29.740 you,

00:13:30.380 all of you,

00:13:31.660 or at least

00:13:32.140 those who want

00:13:32.640 to investigate

00:13:33.120 voter fraud.

00:13:33.820 You got it?

00:13:35.440 But it's

00:13:36.240 damn time

00:13:37.280 to unite

00:13:37.980 and heal.

00:13:39.320 And anyone

00:13:39.800 who says no

00:13:40.360 is a crybaby.

00:13:42.240 Look,

00:13:42.520 it has gotten

00:13:43.200 ugly on both

00:13:44.000 sides.

00:13:44.660 These past

00:13:45.160 four years.

00:13:45.920 And the truth

00:13:46.560 is,

00:13:47.360 some wounds

00:13:48.260 take a while

00:13:49.300 to heal.

00:13:50.660 Some are

00:13:51.040 beyond repair.

00:13:52.380 And sometimes,

00:13:53.420 understandably,

00:13:54.140 there's no interest

00:13:55.040 in healing.

00:13:56.740 I don't know

00:13:57.500 if we're there,

00:13:58.460 but I don't

00:13:59.240 feel hopeful

00:13:59.820 about unity.

00:14:01.600 I feel hopeful

00:14:02.520 about us,

00:14:03.760 about reasonable

00:14:04.880 people's ability

00:14:05.640 to conduct

00:14:06.160 themselves with

00:14:06.900 dignity and

00:14:07.760 kindness most

00:14:08.500 of the time,

00:14:09.560 and to love

00:14:10.040 our families

00:14:10.600 and enjoy

00:14:11.040 our friendships,

00:14:11.940 and not unfairly

00:14:13.000 demonize anyone

00:14:14.120 who doesn't

00:14:14.640 think like we

00:14:15.180 do.

00:14:16.360 I think most

00:14:17.380 of the country

00:14:17.840 is still not

00:14:18.700 that political,

00:14:19.880 and that most

00:14:20.460 folks don't

00:14:21.420 get too agitated

00:14:22.500 by one election

00:14:23.720 or another.

00:14:25.060 So,

00:14:25.580 that's hopeful.

00:14:28.780 Whatever happens,

00:14:30.340 we're still living

00:14:31.020 in the United States

00:14:31.880 of America,

00:14:32.580 the greatest country

00:14:33.380 on Earth,

00:14:34.460 where,

00:14:34.960 at least for now,

00:14:36.300 you are technically

00:14:37.080 free to hold

00:14:38.180 your own opinion,

00:14:39.120 to think what you

00:14:40.160 want,

00:14:40.520 and say what you

00:14:41.100 want,

00:14:41.380 to live as you

00:14:41.960 want.

00:14:42.920 And if people

00:14:43.520 continue to try

00:14:44.360 to erode these

00:14:45.520 freedoms,

00:14:46.240 you are free

00:14:47.180 to fight back

00:14:47.980 if you want.

00:14:50.140 Maybe unity

00:14:51.160 isn't the thing

00:14:52.240 at all right now.

00:14:54.080 Maybe liberty's

00:14:55.280 the thing,

00:14:56.380 the goal,

00:14:57.720 for now.

00:14:59.140 And maybe

00:14:59.980 that's just fine.

00:15:02.780 So those are my

00:15:03.700 thoughts for the

00:15:04.160 morning.

00:15:04.780 If you want to

00:15:05.580 get caught up

00:15:06.080 on the nonsense

00:15:06.600 that happened

00:15:07.100 on Twitter,

00:15:07.540 be my guest.

00:15:08.220 But I think

00:15:09.480 it's very telling

00:15:10.420 that people

00:15:11.800 had such a

00:15:12.680 freakout in

00:15:13.360 response to

00:15:14.060 my questioning

00:15:14.760 whether we

00:15:15.580 really could

00:15:16.120 be unified

00:15:16.680 that basically

00:15:19.180 it showed

00:15:20.060 how ununified

00:15:21.140 we are and

00:15:22.320 how awful

00:15:22.780 we are to

00:15:23.200 each other.

00:15:23.900 Check it out

00:15:24.280 for yourselves.

00:15:25.120 Don't take my

00:15:25.700 word for it.

00:15:27.280 And now I'm

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00:16:50.140 and now we are

00:16:50.960 joined by my

00:16:52.360 friend Clay

00:16:53.480 Travis.

00:16:54.480 Clay Travis

00:16:55.080 who started

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00:16:59.720 Clay,

00:16:59.940 great to have you

00:17:00.460 here.

00:17:01.040 Hey,

00:17:01.260 appreciate you

00:17:01.660 having me.

00:17:02.000 Wild times,

00:17:02.700 huh?

00:17:02.800 Oh my God.

00:17:03.740 I mean,

00:17:04.140 can we just

00:17:04.580 start with the

00:17:05.140 whole call for

00:17:06.100 unity and,

00:17:07.540 you know,

00:17:08.900 a nation healed.

00:17:10.760 Clay,

00:17:10.960 we did it.

00:17:12.220 We're healed.

00:17:13.060 Do you feel

00:17:13.480 better?

00:17:14.220 It's awfully

00:17:15.080 convenient when you

00:17:16.040 call for unity

00:17:16.700 when you win,

00:17:17.820 right?

00:17:18.320 I mean,

00:17:18.700 it's always just

00:17:19.760 so absurdly

00:17:21.460 ridiculous when you

00:17:22.280 consider all of

00:17:23.300 the things that

00:17:23.920 have gone on over

00:17:24.720 the last four

00:17:25.380 years and then

00:17:26.340 Joe Biden wins

00:17:27.740 and people are

00:17:28.240 like, hey,

00:17:28.680 let's call for

00:17:29.300 unity.

00:17:29.720 I'll be honest

00:17:30.220 with you.

00:17:30.720 I am just

00:17:32.480 excited,

00:17:33.080 hopefully,

00:17:33.600 that the

00:17:34.380 Republicans will

00:17:35.060 take the

00:17:35.520 Senate and

00:17:36.300 basically that

00:17:37.820 nobody can do

00:17:38.540 anything in

00:17:39.100 government for

00:17:39.620 the next four

00:17:40.160 years because

00:17:40.900 there's just

00:17:41.640 been such a

00:17:42.180 height of

00:17:42.480 incompetence and

00:17:43.760 I'm excited

00:17:45.100 that we're going

00:17:46.020 to have divided

00:17:46.720 government and

00:17:47.460 then to me,

00:17:48.540 the real battle

00:17:49.580 is coming in

00:17:50.180 2024 because

00:17:51.420 Biden's not

00:17:52.180 going to run

00:17:52.560 again.

00:17:53.000 There are

00:17:53.100 going to be

00:17:53.340 20 Democrats,

00:17:54.360 20 Republicans.

00:17:55.020 We'll see what

00:17:55.660 Trump decides to

00:17:56.440 do, but I'm

00:17:57.500 already turning the

00:17:58.300 page.

00:17:58.580 You figure

00:17:58.960 in 2022 most

00:18:00.620 times in the

00:18:01.220 midterms of

00:18:02.960 the first term,

00:18:04.680 you end up

00:18:05.020 losing a lot

00:18:05.520 of seats.

00:18:06.020 So I think

00:18:06.440 Republicans may

00:18:07.360 well take back

00:18:08.020 the House in

00:18:08.640 2022.

00:18:09.820 Certainly they'll

00:18:10.360 likely continue

00:18:11.220 to have a

00:18:12.560 strong position

00:18:13.180 in the Senate,

00:18:13.700 if not a

00:18:14.340 strong majority.

00:18:15.560 And then 2024

00:18:16.180 is going to be

00:18:16.860 the real

00:18:17.220 Donnybrook because

00:18:18.480 I'm already

00:18:19.520 turning my

00:18:20.040 interest in

00:18:21.440 that direction.

00:18:21.920 Well, I

00:18:24.520 mean, the

00:18:25.120 Democrats are

00:18:26.180 poised to

00:18:26.600 hold the

00:18:26.900 smallest majority

00:18:27.860 in 18 years

00:18:29.280 in the House

00:18:29.860 right now.

00:18:30.660 And they're

00:18:31.300 already sounding

00:18:31.840 the alarm

00:18:32.600 about an

00:18:33.220 internal civil

00:18:33.880 war.

00:18:34.200 You want to

00:18:34.440 talk about

00:18:34.780 civility,

00:18:35.340 unity,

00:18:36.240 healing.

00:18:37.700 They need

00:18:38.360 to start at

00:18:38.820 home because

00:18:39.700 there was a

00:18:40.320 conference call

00:18:41.320 right before we

00:18:42.480 got to the

00:18:42.820 weekend among

00:18:43.540 House Dems.

00:18:45.080 And there

00:18:45.920 was Representative

00:18:47.020 Abigail Spanberger,

00:18:48.400 she's a

00:18:48.760 Democrat from

00:18:49.260 Virginia, who

00:18:50.540 was saying,

00:18:51.240 listen, people,

00:18:52.200 we need to

00:18:52.860 wake up about

00:18:54.160 our messaging

00:18:54.700 to the

00:18:55.040 American people.

00:18:55.580 There's a

00:18:55.800 reason we

00:18:56.200 did not add

00:18:56.800 seats but

00:18:57.300 lost them.

00:18:57.880 Here she is.

00:18:58.440 Take a listen

00:18:58.740 to her.

00:18:58.980 The number

00:18:59.740 one concern

00:19:00.600 and things

00:19:01.200 that people

00:19:01.640 brought to

00:19:02.200 me in mind

00:19:02.940 that I

00:19:03.660 barely

00:19:03.960 read one

00:19:04.480 was defunding

00:19:05.200 the police.

00:19:06.260 And we

00:19:06.540 do not

00:19:07.000 ever use

00:19:07.640 the word

00:19:07.980 socialist

00:19:08.440 or socialism

00:19:09.520 ever again.

00:19:11.060 And if we

00:19:11.460 are classifying

00:19:12.240 Tuesday as

00:19:13.140 a success

00:19:13.800 from a

00:19:14.120 congressional

00:19:14.660 dance

00:19:15.240 we just

00:19:16.400 will get

00:19:16.920 torn apart

00:19:18.940 in 2022.

00:19:19.880 In response

00:19:21.160 to which

00:19:21.400 Clay,

00:19:21.660 Rashida

00:19:21.940 Tlaib,

00:19:22.520 who calls

00:19:23.120 herself a

00:19:23.460 democratic

00:19:23.760 socialist,

00:19:24.720 quickly responded,

00:19:25.860 look, to be

00:19:26.520 real, it sounds

00:19:27.220 like you are

00:19:27.660 saying stop

00:19:28.480 pushing for

00:19:29.060 what black

00:19:29.500 folks want.

00:19:30.480 So that's

00:19:30.840 going well.

00:19:32.340 Well, first

00:19:33.060 of all,

00:19:33.440 Rashida

00:19:33.700 Tlaib is

00:19:34.320 not correct.

00:19:35.120 Nobody wants

00:19:35.720 to defund

00:19:36.200 the police.

00:19:36.980 You know,

00:19:37.160 this is one

00:19:37.740 thing that I

00:19:38.280 think all

00:19:38.740 politicians

00:19:39.220 would do

00:19:39.900 be better

00:19:40.960 off for.

00:19:41.900 Turn off

00:19:42.280 the Twitter

00:19:42.660 machine,

00:19:43.320 right?

00:19:43.720 Like, stop

00:19:44.520 paying attention

00:19:45.440 to what is

00:19:46.120 trending on

00:19:46.820 Twitter.

00:19:47.340 It isn't the

00:19:48.020 real world.

00:19:49.140 It's a

00:19:49.440 carnival fun

00:19:50.140 house mirror.

00:19:50.900 I mean, the

00:19:51.300 data reflects

00:19:52.100 Megan, only

00:19:53.460 20% of

00:19:54.720 black people

00:19:55.340 are in

00:19:55.800 favor in

00:19:56.540 any way

00:19:57.300 of defunding

00:19:58.200 the police.

00:19:59.160 And so I

00:19:59.860 think you hit

00:20:00.260 on something

00:20:00.600 that's going

00:20:01.440 to be a

00:20:02.300 major issue,

00:20:03.200 which is

00:20:03.700 Trump was

00:20:04.580 the great

00:20:05.060 Satan,

00:20:05.720 right?

00:20:06.000 I mean, he

00:20:06.480 was the

00:20:07.380 alliance factor

00:20:08.800 that lots of

00:20:09.580 people in the

00:20:10.040 Democratic Party

00:20:10.780 who disagreed

00:20:12.000 on many

00:20:12.420 different

00:20:12.820 particulars

00:20:13.620 could ally

00:20:14.460 against because

00:20:15.500 they disliked

00:20:16.420 him, right?

00:20:16.980 Now, there's

00:20:18.280 no great

00:20:18.980 Satan to

00:20:19.760 blame for

00:20:20.440 things.

00:20:20.960 And I am

00:20:21.300 going to be

00:20:21.740 fascinated to

00:20:22.540 see how Joe

00:20:23.740 Biden, who

00:20:24.420 doesn't seem to

00:20:25.100 be on top of

00:20:25.840 his faculties and

00:20:27.100 political games,

00:20:28.280 certainly I think

00:20:28.940 whether you're a

00:20:30.040 Democrat or

00:20:30.580 Republican, he's

00:20:31.320 not at the

00:20:31.780 peak or the

00:20:32.320 apex of his

00:20:33.020 overall abilities,

00:20:34.380 is able to

00:20:35.200 handle a

00:20:35.940 fractious party

00:20:37.060 without there

00:20:38.440 being someone for

00:20:39.780 them to align

00:20:40.740 against, right?

00:20:41.700 He still hasn't

00:20:42.240 said what he

00:20:42.580 believes about

00:20:43.100 court packing.

00:20:44.280 He still hasn't

00:20:44.820 said what he

00:20:45.460 plans to do on

00:20:46.960 so many

00:20:47.600 different issues

00:20:48.480 that are very

00:20:49.200 much in vogue

00:20:50.140 with the left

00:20:51.080 wing of his

00:20:51.600 party.

00:20:52.420 How is he

00:20:53.020 going to

00:20:53.600 corral them

00:20:54.460 and what is

00:20:55.300 he going to

00:20:55.540 be capable

00:20:56.040 of?

00:20:56.400 To me, it's

00:20:57.140 going to be a

00:20:57.940 fascinating story

00:20:58.760 to follow.

00:20:59.940 It's so true.

00:21:00.880 And meanwhile,

00:21:01.480 you've got, I

00:21:02.760 always make a

00:21:03.600 distinction between

00:21:04.240 the left, capital

00:21:05.100 L, and just

00:21:05.840 normal liberals,

00:21:06.960 most of whom

00:21:07.660 are my friends.

00:21:08.540 That's like

00:21:08.940 virtually every

00:21:09.400 friend I have

00:21:09.860 is a normal

00:21:10.580 liberal.

00:21:11.160 They don't

00:21:11.580 believe in this

00:21:12.040 nonsense at

00:21:12.960 all.

00:21:13.440 I think most

00:21:14.080 normal liberals

00:21:15.040 sound like

00:21:16.060 Andrew Yang,

00:21:17.060 who are like,

00:21:17.740 could you calm

00:21:18.420 down with a

00:21:19.360 cancel culture

00:21:20.180 baloney and

00:21:21.440 defund the

00:21:22.400 police?

00:21:23.420 He was on, I

00:21:24.460 think it was

00:21:24.720 CNN over the

00:21:25.820 weekend, and

00:21:26.820 kind of outlined

00:21:27.800 the problems that

00:21:29.640 the Democrat

00:21:30.040 Party is having

00:21:31.000 right now.

00:21:31.400 I think we've

00:21:31.720 got that.

00:21:32.360 Standby.

00:21:32.640 I would say,

00:21:33.860 hey, I'm

00:21:34.120 running for

00:21:34.420 president to

00:21:35.120 a truck driver,

00:21:36.400 retail worker,

00:21:37.580 a waitress in

00:21:38.580 a diner, and

00:21:39.280 they would say,

00:21:39.640 what party?

00:21:40.300 And I'd say

00:21:40.720 Democrat, and

00:21:41.600 they would flinch.

00:21:42.480 Like I'd said

00:21:42.980 something really

00:21:44.020 negative, or I

00:21:44.820 just like, I'd

00:21:45.520 turn another

00:21:46.520 color or something

00:21:47.100 like that.

00:21:47.720 And there's

00:21:48.260 something deeply

00:21:49.000 wrong when

00:21:49.860 working class

00:21:50.440 Americans have

00:21:51.140 that response to

00:21:52.340 a major party

00:21:53.020 that theoretically

00:21:53.660 is supposed to

00:21:54.140 be fighting for

00:21:54.640 them.

00:21:55.080 Does he have

00:21:55.480 a point?

00:21:56.520 I think he's

00:21:57.240 100% right.

00:21:58.340 Look, when

00:21:59.520 you come, what

00:22:01.140 Trump did, and

00:22:02.500 may continue to

00:22:03.480 do, we'll see

00:22:03.960 what he wants

00:22:04.560 to do going

00:22:05.180 forward, is he

00:22:06.640 spoke to a

00:22:07.480 great collection

00:22:08.400 of Americans

00:22:09.340 of a variety

00:22:10.700 of backgrounds,

00:22:11.420 which of course

00:22:11.840 this isn't

00:22:12.180 getting any

00:22:12.600 attention, Megan,

00:22:13.240 but I read in

00:22:13.800 the Wall Street

00:22:14.180 Journal over

00:22:14.680 the weekend,

00:22:15.540 you know, 20%

00:22:16.400 of black men

00:22:17.220 under the age

00:22:18.020 of 45 voted

00:22:19.080 for Donald

00:22:19.580 Trump.

00:22:20.440 I mean, that

00:22:20.840 is an

00:22:21.120 extraordinary

00:22:21.620 number.

00:22:22.500 And what I

00:22:23.280 wish had

00:22:23.680 happened in

00:22:24.220 the 2020

00:22:24.700 election, and

00:22:25.400 I think COVID

00:22:26.060 delayed it,

00:22:27.200 Megan, was we

00:22:28.120 were trending

00:22:29.060 towards identity

00:22:30.460 politics,

00:22:31.140 exploding, right?

00:22:32.500 And to me, the

00:22:33.620 twin pillars of

00:22:35.280 things that I

00:22:36.520 am opposed to

00:22:37.220 the most in

00:22:37.840 the country

00:22:38.200 today, they're

00:22:39.180 connected, but

00:22:39.820 it's the twin

00:22:40.420 pillars of

00:22:41.140 identity politics

00:22:42.120 plus cancel

00:22:43.180 culture, because

00:22:44.220 those are, you

00:22:45.240 know, inextricably

00:22:46.060 intertwined, and I

00:22:47.400 think they are

00:22:47.940 cancer to the

00:22:49.520 American political

00:22:50.320 process right now.

00:22:51.280 Regardless of what

00:22:52.300 you believe, the

00:22:53.760 idea that you

00:22:54.500 could be canceled

00:22:55.320 for a Facebook

00:22:56.200 post or a

00:22:57.040 Twitter post or,

00:22:58.280 as you well

00:22:58.660 know, 30 seconds

00:22:59.660 of audio with

00:23:01.100 in the larger

00:23:01.720 context, like I

00:23:02.660 do live radio

00:23:03.440 every day, this

00:23:04.560 is fundamentally

00:23:05.680 the opposite of

00:23:08.120 everything that

00:23:08.620 America could

00:23:09.260 stand for.

00:23:09.860 And the

00:23:09.980 analogy I like

00:23:11.060 to make is,

00:23:12.000 you know, this

00:23:12.320 idea of going

00:23:13.280 through, and you

00:23:14.420 can use

00:23:14.720 entertainment as a

00:23:15.400 good example

00:23:15.840 here, old jokes

00:23:17.240 from comedians

00:23:18.160 and saying, oh,

00:23:19.340 we've got to

00:23:19.720 cancel this

00:23:20.240 comedian because

00:23:20.820 we don't like

00:23:21.340 this joke.

00:23:22.040 I mean, this

00:23:23.020 is insanity, right?

00:23:24.520 And the way that

00:23:26.580 it's being created

00:23:27.520 is it's being

00:23:28.760 used to advance

00:23:29.860 identity politic

00:23:30.840 culture, and I

00:23:32.240 think what is

00:23:32.920 happening is many

00:23:34.100 different Americans,

00:23:34.880 white, black, Asian,

00:23:35.720 Hispanic, of all

00:23:36.660 different religious,

00:23:37.540 racial preferences,

00:23:38.780 sexual preferences,

00:23:40.100 whatever it is, they

00:23:41.200 all have kids, and

00:23:42.320 they all have 14 and

00:23:43.280 15-year-old kids, and

00:23:44.640 they're sitting around

00:23:45.260 saying, wait a minute,

00:23:46.020 do I want my 14 or 15-year-old

00:23:48.240 kid held hostage because

00:23:50.160 of something they did on

00:23:51.080 Snapchat or because of

00:23:52.180 something they did on

00:23:52.840 Instagram or the like

00:23:54.880 getting kicked out of

00:23:55.740 school, being, you

00:23:57.080 know, creating this

00:23:57.920 universe where

00:23:59.120 everybody is defined by

00:24:00.880 30 seconds of a

00:24:02.360 decision, you know, when

00:24:03.180 you're emotional with

00:24:04.000 your phone in your

00:24:04.640 hand, and I think

00:24:05.720 that's honestly

00:24:06.260 something that the

00:24:07.160 next president of the

00:24:08.140 United States is going

00:24:09.020 to be elected on.

00:24:10.100 I think COVID

00:24:10.760 overwhelmed that

00:24:12.280 story, but that's to

00:24:13.360 me where Trump was

00:24:14.380 right, and I think he

00:24:15.880 was on his way.

00:24:17.180 If COVID doesn't

00:24:17.720 happen, I don't know

00:24:18.220 if you agree with me,

00:24:19.260 I think Trump wins

00:24:20.440 going away.

00:24:21.900 I mean, the economy

00:24:22.760 would have been on

00:24:23.280 fire.

00:24:24.100 I think he would

00:24:24.840 have crushed Joe

00:24:26.120 Biden in this

00:24:27.220 election if COVID

00:24:28.060 doesn't happen in

00:24:29.100 2020 when it does, and

00:24:30.760 we got this vaccine

00:24:31.580 news coming out right

00:24:32.400 now.

00:24:32.960 If COVID had just

00:24:33.760 happened in December,

00:24:35.080 you know, instead of

00:24:35.840 February, he might have

00:24:37.020 still crushed Biden, and

00:24:38.840 certainly if it happens

00:24:39.680 in 2021 or 2019, I

00:24:42.140 don't think this race is

00:24:43.220 remotely close, and I

00:24:45.020 think deep down

00:24:45.580 Democrats know it, and

00:24:46.860 they know that their

00:24:47.460 message is not

00:24:48.140 resonating, which is

00:24:48.940 what that clip from

00:24:49.680 Andrew Yang that you

00:24:50.520 played reflected.

00:24:51.240 And I want to get

00:24:53.000 to the vaccine news

00:24:54.020 in one second, because

00:24:54.900 it is interesting, and

00:24:56.100 the timing of it is

00:24:57.160 pretty interesting, too.

00:24:58.460 But I mean, I think

00:25:00.460 that wokeism was

00:25:01.400 dealt a blow during

00:25:02.960 this election, but I

00:25:03.820 don't think it'll push

00:25:04.740 anybody off of their

00:25:05.600 ideology.

00:25:06.520 Maybe smart, centrist

00:25:07.760 leftists or centrist

00:25:08.960 Democrats will come out

00:25:09.760 and say, this is

00:25:10.360 baloney.

00:25:11.180 Be smart.

00:25:12.040 Move on.

00:25:12.760 But it's too

00:25:13.320 ingrained.

00:25:13.960 I mean, it's

00:25:15.360 heartfelt by these

00:25:16.520 people on the left.

00:25:17.200 They need it.

00:25:17.920 They need their

00:25:18.700 identity politics to

00:25:19.700 feel like they

00:25:20.200 matter.

00:25:20.960 They need to judge

00:25:21.800 everyone else to feel

00:25:22.760 like they're important.

00:25:24.260 And even, you know,

00:25:25.260 first of all, we now

00:25:26.420 have a vice president

00:25:27.440 elect who has her

00:25:28.860 pronouns in her

00:25:29.800 Twitter bio, right?

00:25:30.860 So we've gone from

00:25:31.460 Trump to that.

00:25:33.280 And then you've got

00:25:34.080 Michelle Obama, right,

00:25:35.080 who is one of the

00:25:35.600 leaders of the

00:25:36.040 Democratic Party.

00:25:37.200 This is her message

00:25:37.880 saying, you know, A,

00:25:39.540 we have a lot of work

00:25:40.320 to do to connect with

00:25:41.820 Trump voters.

00:25:42.820 And B, let's remember

00:25:44.240 that tens of millions

00:25:45.000 of people voted for the

00:25:46.380 status quo even when it

00:25:47.520 meant supporting

00:25:48.020 lies, hate, chaos

00:25:49.120 and division.

00:25:49.920 Let me give you a

00:25:50.800 pro tip, Michelle.

00:25:52.700 Trying to connect

00:25:53.740 with the Trump voters

00:25:54.560 does not include

00:25:55.320 telling them that

00:25:56.340 they supported lies,

00:25:57.380 hate, chaos and

00:25:57.980 division just by

00:25:58.700 voting Republican.

00:26:00.640 This is an

00:26:01.340 interesting theory

00:26:01.920 that I have, Megan.

00:26:02.600 I'm curious what

00:26:03.140 you think on this.

00:26:05.100 Barack Obama,

00:26:06.040 if you went back

00:26:06.840 and actually looked

00:26:07.780 at his 2008

00:26:09.300 presidential campaign,

00:26:11.060 right, what he ran

00:26:12.200 on to beat John

00:26:13.280 McCain, it was

00:26:14.680 quintessentially a

00:26:16.300 almost now

00:26:17.280 Republican

00:26:17.980 platform.

00:26:18.960 Like, 12 years

00:26:19.640 later, much of

00:26:20.820 what Obama stood

00:26:21.700 for would be

00:26:23.000 considered homophobic.

00:26:25.460 You know, like,

00:26:25.920 the fact that he

00:26:26.400 wasn't in favor of

00:26:27.220 gay marriage in

00:26:27.900 2008 when he won,

00:26:29.540 that would be

00:26:29.960 considered homophobic

00:26:30.780 now, right, if a

00:26:31.840 Democrat were running

00:26:32.700 just 12 years later

00:26:33.820 right now on that

00:26:34.540 platform.

00:26:35.440 But what Obama

00:26:36.140 had, I think this

00:26:37.100 is a big, big

00:26:38.180 takeaway.

00:26:39.120 I think that

00:26:39.740 Democrats have

00:26:40.460 underrated Barack

00:26:42.020 Obama's political

00:26:43.420 talents.

00:26:44.600 And in 2008,

00:26:45.560 and also I think

00:26:46.400 to a lesser

00:26:47.440 extent, but also

00:26:48.120 true still in

00:26:48.820 2012, Obama

00:26:50.520 ran quintessentially

00:26:51.720 on the American

00:26:52.560 dream.

00:26:53.620 If I, a mixed

00:26:55.040 race kid from

00:26:56.120 Hawaii with a

00:26:57.480 funky name,

00:26:58.300 right, can rise

00:26:59.620 to the office of

00:27:00.940 President of the

00:27:01.800 United States,

00:27:02.740 then the American

00:27:03.560 dream is alive

00:27:04.820 and well.

00:27:05.820 We all have an

00:27:06.600 opportunity to

00:27:07.840 embrace the

00:27:09.200 success that this

00:27:10.040 country offers us.

00:27:11.560 And that was his

00:27:12.700 campaign, and I

00:27:13.640 voted for him.

00:27:14.300 And that was a

00:27:14.980 belief system that

00:27:16.040 I think translated

00:27:17.320 very much, especially

00:27:18.500 in 2008, across

00:27:20.420 multiple parties,

00:27:21.540 right?

00:27:21.760 I think that was a

00:27:22.820 unifying message.

00:27:24.560 What is interesting

00:27:25.140 is Obama didn't

00:27:26.100 have to lean into

00:27:27.260 identity politics

00:27:28.300 because he was

00:27:29.340 black and that was

00:27:30.380 self-evident, right?

00:27:31.220 You could look at

00:27:31.860 him and be like,

00:27:32.440 okay, this guy looks

00:27:33.260 different than

00:27:33.800 everybody else.

00:27:34.620 In fact, Obama

00:27:36.160 said on many

00:27:36.760 different occasions,

00:27:37.640 I don't want to be

00:27:38.620 the black politician,

00:27:39.940 right?

00:27:40.160 Like, I don't want

00:27:40.900 my existence to be

00:27:41.980 defined by being

00:27:43.220 black because I've

00:27:43.940 got to be president

00:27:44.580 for everybody,

00:27:45.580 which is a

00:27:45.940 quintessentially,

00:27:46.740 you know, melting

00:27:47.760 pot idea, the

00:27:49.180 very essence of

00:27:50.160 what I think

00:27:50.720 America can

00:27:51.440 represent at its

00:27:52.300 best.

00:27:52.920 By the time

00:27:53.680 Hillary got the

00:27:54.360 nomination in

00:27:54.940 2016, she didn't

00:27:56.040 have Obama's

00:27:56.780 political gifts.

00:27:58.260 And so she

00:27:58.680 basically made her

00:27:59.940 entire campaign

00:28:01.140 predicated on

00:28:02.160 identity politics.

00:28:03.380 If you're gay,

00:28:04.220 you better support

00:28:04.980 me because Donald

00:28:05.780 Trump will put you

00:28:06.860 back in the dark

00:28:07.820 ages.

00:28:08.160 If you're black,

00:28:09.960 you better support

00:28:10.780 me.

00:28:11.200 That's what Joe

00:28:11.760 Biden's still running

00:28:12.540 on.

00:28:13.100 You know, if you

00:28:13.820 ain't black, you're

00:28:14.800 not voting for me.

00:28:15.760 Or you ain't black,

00:28:16.840 you're not voting

00:28:17.280 for me.

00:28:17.880 All of that is

00:28:18.960 explicit, direct

00:28:20.500 identity politics

00:28:22.000 related, you know,

00:28:24.040 characterization in

00:28:24.920 order for you to be

00:28:25.540 willing to vote for

00:28:26.400 him.

00:28:26.840 And I think they

00:28:27.460 got the Obama

00:28:28.560 message distorted

00:28:30.260 there.

00:28:31.040 Obama, and I wrote

00:28:32.200 this in my most

00:28:33.160 recent book, Obama

00:28:34.060 was like, you know,

00:28:35.040 the Cosby show

00:28:35.780 before we knew what

00:28:36.620 Bill Cosby had in

00:28:37.620 his background,

00:28:38.260 right?

00:28:38.440 He was Michael

00:28:38.940 Jordan.

00:28:39.920 He was Will

00:28:40.800 Smith, right?

00:28:41.580 A popular

00:28:43.500 transcendent

00:28:44.240 cultural figure

00:28:45.060 who might have

00:28:45.980 been a minority,

00:28:46.700 but that was not

00:28:47.740 the entirety of the

00:28:48.820 reason why he had

00:28:49.520 been successful,

00:28:50.300 right?

00:28:50.540 Bill Cosby, Will

00:28:51.360 Smith, Michael

00:28:51.980 Jordan, Oprah

00:28:53.260 Winfrey, if you want

00:28:54.120 to point to all of

00:28:55.020 those people, yes,

00:28:56.280 they were black, but

00:28:57.000 the reason they were

00:28:57.860 successful was not

00:28:59.020 defined by their

00:29:00.080 blackness, right?

00:29:01.080 Not at all.

00:29:01.500 It seems to me that

00:29:02.140 identity politics relies

00:29:03.960 upon you succeeding

00:29:05.240 only because of your

00:29:06.720 race, and that is

00:29:08.080 what, unfortunately,

00:29:09.020 the Democratic Party

00:29:10.100 has embraced coming

00:29:11.180 out of Obama, and

00:29:12.680 they ran it with

00:29:13.380 Hillary, and they

00:29:14.140 ran it with Biden, and

00:29:15.100 I don't think it

00:29:15.660 worked either time.

00:29:17.220 In fact, Trump

00:29:17.720 increased the amount

00:29:18.560 of minority support

00:29:19.420 he got in 2020, but

00:29:21.220 the reason it worked

00:29:22.400 for Biden was because

00:29:23.520 he leaned into what

00:29:24.460 I call the COVID

00:29:25.280 fear porn, and the

00:29:26.720 people out there who

00:29:27.460 were terrified of

00:29:28.220 COVID ended up

00:29:28.900 supporting him.

00:29:30.140 Exactly.

00:29:31.240 Barack Obama, he's

00:29:32.740 spoken out against

00:29:33.880 this woke culture

00:29:35.020 baloney, saying,

00:29:35.940 That's right.

00:29:36.420 What do you think?

00:29:37.000 You're not some

00:29:37.620 warrior when you sit

00:29:38.620 there with your phone

00:29:39.400 in your thumbs trying

00:29:40.220 to ruin people's

00:29:41.120 lives.

00:29:41.520 That's not activism.

00:29:42.940 He, by the way, I

00:29:43.660 saw him at, oh, God,

00:29:45.760 it was, I think, the

00:29:46.360 Al Smith dinner in

00:29:47.100 New York one time, and

00:29:48.200 he had a great opening.

00:29:49.680 He stood up and he

00:29:50.140 said, you know, they

00:29:51.100 bring the candidates

00:29:51.880 from both sides, and

00:29:53.020 he was there.

00:29:54.000 I think it was against

00:29:54.520 McCain that year, and

00:29:55.300 he goes, my name's

00:29:56.680 Barack Hussein Obama.

00:29:59.040 My first name was

00:30:00.160 chosen by my mom, and

00:30:01.580 my middle name was

00:30:02.560 chosen by someone who

00:30:04.100 never thought I'd be

00:30:04.820 running for president of

00:30:05.620 the United States.

00:30:07.900 That's fantastic.

00:30:09.160 He's not on board with

00:30:10.240 this nonsense, but his

00:30:11.120 party has left the

00:30:12.440 station.

00:30:13.160 I mean, normal

00:30:14.000 Democrats, I think, are

00:30:14.800 still holding on to,

00:30:16.140 like, the old image of

00:30:16.900 Barack Obama as they

00:30:18.200 listen to, you know,

00:30:19.560 people like Rashida

00:30:20.600 Tlaib and AOC tell

00:30:22.100 them they're awful.

00:30:23.280 They're awful, too.

00:30:23.980 You can be awful even

00:30:24.700 if you're a Democrat, if

00:30:25.820 you're not on board with

00:30:26.660 the woke culture.

00:30:27.840 So, all right, let me

00:30:28.560 ask you this, though,

00:30:29.200 because one of the

00:30:30.040 things you've been

00:30:30.440 talking about that I

00:30:31.060 found really interesting

00:30:31.800 is the media, what's

00:30:33.600 going to happen to it

00:30:34.420 now that their

00:30:36.040 cash cow seems to be

00:30:37.840 leaving.

00:30:40.280 Yet, among the

00:30:41.280 many, the long list of

00:30:42.460 people who are sort of

00:30:43.440 saying, we need

00:30:44.640 unity, and yet

00:30:45.960 everyone on the right

00:30:46.940 sucks, is

00:30:48.220 CNN.

00:30:50.020 Okay, so CNN comes

00:30:51.020 out this weekend.

00:30:52.100 First of all, poor

00:30:53.000 Don Lemon tweeted

00:30:54.680 out, and I quote,

00:30:55.860 I can't tell you how

00:30:57.180 difficult it's been as

00:30:58.100 a journalist to cover

00:30:59.840 this dark part of our

00:31:00.820 history.

00:31:01.880 Let's hope the attacks

00:31:03.100 on journalists,

00:31:04.500 journalism, and

00:31:06.060 everyone, end.

00:31:08.360 Time to move to the

00:31:10.220 light.

00:31:10.900 And out of the other

00:31:11.420 side of his mouth, he

00:31:12.200 said, by the way, Fox

00:31:13.360 is state TV.

00:31:15.200 And I know you

00:31:16.120 responded.

00:31:16.640 Dan Crenshaw tweeted

00:31:17.440 out, oh, you poor

00:31:18.380 thing.

00:31:18.840 Let me forward your

00:31:19.620 tweet to some of my

00:31:20.760 buddies overseas so they

00:31:21.800 can send you flowers.

00:31:22.740 And then you, you

00:31:24.240 said, dude, you put

00:31:25.920 on makeup for a

00:31:26.780 living and read a

00:31:27.880 prompter on a

00:31:28.700 television, so like

00:31:30.020 you're really well

00:31:30.680 paid, so just take a

00:31:32.560 seat, right?

00:31:33.340 I mean, the

00:31:34.400 cluelessness amongst

00:31:35.740 the media as to how

00:31:37.560 hard they've had it,

00:31:39.000 how divisive they've

00:31:40.360 been, and how much

00:31:42.140 they're going to miss

00:31:43.080 Donald Trump.

00:31:44.700 Well, first of all,

00:31:46.580 we are fortunate,

00:31:47.920 right?

00:31:48.200 You and I and

00:31:49.040 anybody who gets to

00:31:50.160 share our opinions for

00:31:51.500 a living.

00:31:51.820 My wife all the time

00:31:53.240 says that the reason I

00:31:54.420 carry myself like with

00:31:55.700 so little weight on my

00:31:57.220 shoulders is I

00:31:58.320 basically every day have

00:31:59.580 a three-hour therapy

00:32:01.060 session on the radio

00:32:02.300 where I get to say

00:32:03.180 every single thing I

00:32:04.520 think, right?

00:32:05.380 And by the time I

00:32:06.120 finish my morning radio

00:32:07.160 show, I stand up from

00:32:08.740 my seat and I walk

00:32:09.800 away and I literally

00:32:10.540 feel like I don't weigh

00:32:11.500 anything, right?

00:32:12.100 I told everybody

00:32:13.000 exactly what I think

00:32:14.040 and I think there are

00:32:15.140 so many Americans out

00:32:16.380 there that are

00:32:17.620 terrified to say what

00:32:18.960 they really think.

00:32:19.840 That's why over 70

00:32:20.740 million of them voted

00:32:21.800 for Donald Trump.

00:32:22.740 He is a voice in many

00:32:23.720 ways for the voiceless,

00:32:24.920 which circles back

00:32:25.920 around to your point

00:32:27.020 about Andrew Yang and

00:32:28.340 the way that people are

00:32:29.380 responding to him if

00:32:30.260 they're a waiter or

00:32:31.560 they work in the normal

00:32:32.620 life.

00:32:33.220 Those people don't feel

00:32:34.440 like they have a voice.

00:32:35.500 So we are incredibly

00:32:36.660 fortunate to have a voice

00:32:37.740 and to be compensated

00:32:38.700 well while having that

00:32:39.700 voice.

00:32:40.080 So the journalists out

00:32:41.260 there who think that

00:32:42.120 they have difficult jobs

00:32:43.340 really need to see what

00:32:44.680 the real world is.

00:32:46.180 I would love to see

00:32:47.280 Don Lemon work on a road

00:32:48.540 paving crew for a month

00:32:49.840 and then be like,

00:32:51.080 oh, you know what?

00:32:51.820 Like this is go down

00:32:52.660 to Florida in June

00:32:54.300 and work on paving a road

00:32:56.020 and then come back

00:32:57.160 and say, you know,

00:32:57.680 sitting in an air

00:32:58.240 conditioned studio

00:32:58.980 reading off a teleprompter

00:33:00.280 is a really difficult

00:33:01.920 life that you have.

00:33:03.060 I mean, come on.

00:33:04.040 Well, he doesn't mean it.

00:33:05.260 He doesn't mean stop

00:33:06.060 attacking attacking

00:33:07.060 journalists and journalism.

00:33:08.500 He means people on his

00:33:09.880 side.

00:33:10.440 I mean, in the same

00:33:11.840 breath, he called Fox

00:33:13.120 State TV and his buddy

00:33:14.220 Cuomo was saying, no,

00:33:15.920 no, no one gets a pass.

00:33:17.480 They lie to their viewers.

00:33:18.740 They have to own up to it

00:33:19.680 and be held to account.

00:33:20.940 So there's not going to be

00:33:22.400 unity there either.

00:33:24.300 You know, it's just

00:33:24.900 oh, yeah, it's so false.

00:33:26.800 And you tell me because

00:33:27.780 CNN was hanging on by

00:33:28.940 a thread, never mind

00:33:30.220 MSNBC, before Donald

00:33:31.360 Trump took office by a

00:33:32.380 thread, not to mention

00:33:33.000 The New York Times,

00:33:34.060 The Washington Post.

00:33:35.480 I mean, I really do

00:33:36.700 wonder.

00:33:37.880 I mean, there'll be some

00:33:38.620 hangover effect when we

00:33:39.480 start the new

00:33:39.880 administration.

00:33:40.800 But soon thereafter,

00:33:42.580 people are going to go

00:33:43.220 away because Joe Biden

00:33:44.500 is many things, but

00:33:46.320 sexy to watch on

00:33:47.400 television is not one

00:33:48.540 of them.

00:33:49.660 Yeah, look, I think

00:33:50.700 that let's go back in

00:33:52.100 just a broad business

00:33:53.300 perspective.

00:33:53.920 And I've been writing

00:33:54.720 and talking about this a

00:33:55.720 lot in the world of

00:33:56.760 sports, which is my, you

00:33:57.920 know, sort of

00:33:58.240 ballywick with ESPN.

00:34:00.480 Back in like 2012,

00:34:02.420 ESPN had 100 million

00:34:04.240 cable and satellite

00:34:05.240 subscribers, Megan.

00:34:06.260 So that was the peak,

00:34:07.480 the apex of the cable

00:34:08.880 satellite industry,

00:34:10.800 100 million.

00:34:11.480 The forecast now is

00:34:13.300 that by 2024 or 2025,

00:34:16.680 and this has certainly

00:34:17.300 been accelerated by

00:34:18.260 COVID, they're going

00:34:19.360 to be down to around

00:34:20.420 50 million subscribers.

00:34:22.260 So ESPN just just

00:34:23.700 fired 10 percent of

00:34:25.800 their overall staff.

00:34:27.300 This is the third

00:34:28.020 different major layoffs

00:34:29.440 that they've had in the

00:34:30.280 last five years.

00:34:31.560 Their business is

00:34:32.180 collapsing.

00:34:33.040 The same thing is

00:34:33.760 happening at CNN to

00:34:35.960 an extent at Fox News

00:34:37.100 and at MSNBC.

00:34:38.400 But in particular,

00:34:39.080 let's like kind of look

00:34:40.060 at their business

00:34:40.640 prospects.

00:34:41.640 You know, Fox News

00:34:42.780 is going to be fine.

00:34:43.980 You were a part of this.

00:34:45.120 When the opposing party

00:34:46.160 is in power, that's

00:34:48.280 typically good for

00:34:49.200 conservative radio.

00:34:50.340 That's typically good

00:34:51.120 for conservative TV.

00:34:52.800 People can go after

00:34:54.080 Biden.

00:34:54.560 They want to find

00:34:55.460 somewhere to, you

00:34:57.220 know, convince

00:34:57.700 themselves they're not

00:34:58.580 insane.

00:34:59.380 They want an opposition

00:35:00.380 party.

00:35:01.320 Fox News, I think,

00:35:02.100 will be fine.

00:35:03.040 But CNN and MSNBC,

00:35:05.760 they needed Trump to

00:35:07.200 win desperately,

00:35:08.220 more than any business

00:35:09.460 almost out there

00:35:10.460 because he was

00:35:11.620 their great Satan.

00:35:12.960 The Trump derangement

00:35:14.100 syndrome, the resistance,

00:35:16.260 the fact that they

00:35:17.140 basically went all in

00:35:18.720 on hating Donald Trump

00:35:20.240 and the members of his

00:35:21.500 administration.

00:35:22.800 Nobody's going to tune in

00:35:23.840 to CNN or MSNBC now

00:35:25.640 to watch Joe Biden,

00:35:26.800 not to mention the news

00:35:27.680 today about the vaccine.

00:35:29.440 I mean, you would think,

00:35:30.340 based on the way CNN

00:35:31.220 has covered COVID,

00:35:32.860 that, you know,

00:35:33.680 all of us were going to die,

00:35:34.760 that we had no hope

00:35:35.780 of survival, you know,

00:35:36.880 that this was the

00:35:37.740 bubonic plague that had

00:35:39.660 swept across our nation.

00:35:40.860 And as soon as the

00:35:42.160 vaccines start being

00:35:43.480 given and Joe Biden

00:35:46.180 comes into office,

00:35:47.500 there's going to be no

00:35:48.660 reason to watch either

00:35:49.840 and their businesses

00:35:51.180 are going to collapse

00:35:52.060 completely.

00:35:53.020 And so I think it's a

00:35:54.580 fascinating time in our

00:35:55.960 media culture because

00:35:57.040 you're out now and

00:35:58.440 you're independent.

00:35:59.400 You know, I've got Jason

00:36:00.180 Whitlock with me.

00:36:01.680 Whitlock and I had a

00:36:02.860 conversation.

00:36:03.480 He's been with me for

00:36:04.140 six months.

00:36:05.040 He said, man, I had a

00:36:05.800 television show in sports

00:36:07.180 for four years.

00:36:08.620 In the first six months

00:36:09.820 without kick, I've got

00:36:10.820 more influence.

00:36:11.860 I had to sit down with

00:36:12.740 the president of the

00:36:13.440 United States.

00:36:14.740 These sort of large

00:36:16.780 scale institutions are

00:36:18.640 collapsing and being

00:36:19.980 replaced with what I

00:36:21.140 would say are more

00:36:22.480 authentic, transparent,

00:36:24.260 original and honest

00:36:25.540 voices across the media

00:36:27.920 landscape.

00:36:28.760 And I know you've been

00:36:29.500 talking to a lot of

00:36:30.300 people, but I see it

00:36:31.540 with what we're doing

00:36:32.240 at Outkick.

00:36:32.820 I'm sure you're seeing

00:36:33.600 it with the

00:36:34.020 success that your

00:36:34.740 podcast is having.

00:36:36.180 You know, it used to

00:36:36.660 be back in the day,

00:36:37.860 they would say, if you

00:36:38.580 leave ESPN, nobody

00:36:40.260 will ever hear from you

00:36:41.260 again.

00:36:41.740 Right?

00:36:41.940 That's what ESPN would

00:36:43.320 tell the Colin Cowherds,

00:36:45.320 the Aaron Andrews, the

00:36:46.340 Skip Baylesses of the

00:36:47.340 world.

00:36:48.000 I think what we're

00:36:48.780 seeing is everybody

00:36:50.240 has the ability to

00:36:51.580 create their own

00:36:52.500 platform.

00:36:53.640 The means of

00:36:54.360 distribution used to

00:36:55.620 control the power.

00:36:56.760 In other words, I'm

00:36:57.880 sure they said this to

00:36:58.720 you at some point.

00:36:59.460 Hey, if you're not on

00:37:00.260 Fox or NBC, nobody's

00:37:01.740 going to care what you

00:37:02.500 say, I think that's

00:37:03.900 never been less true.

00:37:05.360 I mean, Joe Rogan is

00:37:06.200 more influential than

00:37:07.180 almost anybody.

00:37:08.660 And I think we're going

00:37:09.920 to see a lot more

00:37:11.420 original voices who have

00:37:13.200 more freedom to say

00:37:14.420 exactly what they

00:37:15.400 believe, which I like to

00:37:17.220 believe optimistically

00:37:18.220 and a bullish case will

00:37:19.760 lead to a further

00:37:20.740 flourishment of the

00:37:21.660 marketplace of ideas,

00:37:22.740 which is a repudiation of

00:37:24.340 this cancel culture,

00:37:25.280 which has been embraced

00:37:26.540 by so much of the

00:37:27.380 mainstream media.

00:37:28.900 Well, I love what

00:37:29.400 you're doing at

00:37:29.840 OutKick.

00:37:30.340 And I thought it was

00:37:30.860 interesting.

00:37:31.180 I didn't know that you

00:37:31.940 were a lifelong Democrat

00:37:33.100 up until 2016, right?

00:37:35.800 You voted.

00:37:36.660 Did you vote for Trump

00:37:37.660 in 2016?

00:37:38.860 No, I didn't.

00:37:39.420 I voted.

00:37:39.920 So I try to be so I'm

00:37:41.860 curious what you think

00:37:42.480 about this idea, too.

00:37:43.780 When I started to become

00:37:44.640 a public figure at all

00:37:45.800 and I was writing and,

00:37:47.000 you know, small, I was

00:37:47.660 like, I'm just going to

00:37:48.400 try to be as honest as I

00:37:49.420 possibly can.

00:37:50.520 So I started giving all

00:37:52.240 of my presidential votes,

00:37:54.540 right?

00:37:54.700 I would just say, hey,

00:37:55.300 this is what I'm

00:37:55.780 voting.

00:37:56.120 I don't expect you to

00:37:56.860 agree or disagree.

00:37:57.540 But I want to give you

00:37:58.960 full transparency as to

00:38:00.320 where I'm coming from

00:38:01.220 so you can make a

00:38:02.320 decision.

00:38:02.620 So I worked on the

00:38:04.900 Al Gore presidential

00:38:05.620 campaign in 2000.

00:38:06.980 So when I was a college

00:38:07.940 student at GW, I'm from

00:38:10.060 Tennessee, like Al Gore

00:38:11.140 was.

00:38:11.860 I was a bill.

00:38:12.760 I liked Bill Clinton.

00:38:14.140 So my first election vote

00:38:15.720 in 2000 was Al Gore.

00:38:17.720 Then I went to law

00:38:18.960 school, started practicing

00:38:19.920 law, you know, consider

00:38:21.780 myself to be, you know,

00:38:22.880 a fairly moderate middle

00:38:24.300 of the road guy.

00:38:25.240 I mean, a Southern

00:38:25.860 Democrat, which used to

00:38:27.160 exist, by the way.

00:38:28.820 And then like the

00:38:30.060 Democratic Party just

00:38:30.980 left me, you know, in the

00:38:32.180 years ahead.

00:38:32.760 So by 2016, I didn't like

00:38:35.320 Hillary's campaign.

00:38:36.240 I liked Obama.

00:38:37.080 As I mentioned before, I

00:38:37.940 liked what he was trying to

00:38:39.480 sell.

00:38:40.140 I liked his story and I

00:38:41.460 thought he did a pretty

00:38:42.040 good job.

00:38:42.460 I like his intelligence,

00:38:43.980 his ability to handle two

00:38:45.520 contradictory ideas and try

00:38:47.040 to work through them like

00:38:48.080 lawyers should, like you

00:38:49.420 and I were trained to do.

00:38:51.060 By 2016, I was on to Gary

00:38:52.700 Johnson and I wrote a

00:38:54.380 piece, you know, last, or I

00:38:56.300 guess a couple of days

00:38:56.900 before the election

00:38:57.640 endorsing Trump and

00:38:59.100 explaining why I was

00:39:00.100 voting for him.

00:39:00.960 And it had to do with

00:39:02.200 cancel culture.

00:39:03.080 It had to do with my fear

00:39:04.440 that Joe Biden's going to

00:39:05.580 shut down the country over

00:39:06.680 these Corona bros, as I

00:39:07.960 call them, fear.

00:39:09.060 I think we have to stand

00:39:09.920 up to China.

00:39:11.860 I don't agree in tearing

00:39:13.240 down monuments and all this

00:39:14.500 craziness.

00:39:14.980 So I laid out five

00:39:16.860 pretty substantial factors

00:39:18.040 and Trump answers the

00:39:20.540 call for me on the issues

00:39:21.920 that I think are most

00:39:23.260 paramount right now.

00:39:24.100 I think he would have

00:39:24.560 been a better president

00:39:25.300 in 2020 than Biden will.

00:39:27.220 And I'm disappointed that

00:39:28.380 he lost.

00:39:28.900 But yeah, the Democratic

00:39:29.840 Party has left me.

00:39:31.480 And so I don't really fit.

00:39:32.900 I don't fit well in either

00:39:34.140 party necessarily, but I

00:39:35.400 fit better in the

00:39:36.020 Republican Party.

00:39:37.060 Well, I hear that.

00:39:38.260 I don't fit well either,

00:39:39.220 but it's it's nice to be

00:39:40.860 sort of in independent

00:39:42.220 territory.

00:39:42.700 And I don't know much

00:39:43.800 about sports.

00:39:44.280 As you know, we talked

00:39:44.960 about it, but I do like

00:39:46.460 that there's an answer to

00:39:47.660 this far left ESPN.

00:39:49.300 You know, you can I

00:39:49.920 because I saw I saw

00:39:51.700 Jason Whitlock and I was

00:39:52.640 like, who is this guy?

00:39:53.280 What's he saying?

00:39:53.840 Well, he doesn't sound

00:39:54.440 like the rest of the

00:39:55.040 anchors on ESPN talking

00:39:56.820 about sports.

00:39:57.400 And I started to find out

00:39:58.460 about you.

00:39:59.080 And then I started listening

00:39:59.760 to your podcast and I

00:40:00.700 realized, OK, you know,

00:40:02.060 they're not everybody in

00:40:03.240 sports like we find out in

00:40:04.840 news and academia and so

00:40:06.220 on.

00:40:06.560 Not everybody is far left

00:40:08.160 like and you you've been

00:40:10.040 sort of holding them to

00:40:11.720 account.

00:40:12.180 I mean, you you were just

00:40:13.520 talking about college

00:40:15.980 basketball.

00:40:17.180 OK, so this is how

00:40:17.840 clueless I am.

00:40:18.500 All right.

00:40:18.700 Yeah.

00:40:18.900 College basketball.

00:40:19.620 Now they're they're going

00:40:21.120 to play.

00:40:21.660 They're going to play this

00:40:22.240 winter indoors.

00:40:23.300 Right.

00:40:23.760 After lecturing the nation

00:40:24.860 about how dangerous it is.

00:40:26.840 And, you know, remember

00:40:27.380 remember the one guy who

00:40:28.120 called for college football

00:40:29.660 to be played outside, had

00:40:30.780 to issue that self

00:40:31.560 flagellating apology about

00:40:32.780 what a racist he must be to

00:40:34.100 call for football outside in

00:40:35.480 the fall.

00:40:36.040 Yes.

00:40:36.320 Now, yes.

00:40:36.820 How things turn.

00:40:37.900 This is before we heard

00:40:38.760 about today's news on the

00:40:39.580 vaccine.

00:40:40.000 Now it's like back indoors.

00:40:42.000 All is well.

00:40:43.280 Why did that happen?

00:40:44.180 Clay sports media has gone

00:40:46.520 so insanely far left wing

00:40:48.420 Megan that me arguing that

00:40:50.940 we should find a way to

00:40:52.200 play sports.

00:40:53.280 People were like, oh, that's

00:40:54.240 Clay Travis.

00:40:54.860 He's all right.

00:40:55.960 And I'm like, I'm in favor of

00:40:57.760 sports being played.

00:40:58.780 You know, like how in the

00:41:00.500 world did it become political

00:41:02.740 if you are a sports guy to

00:41:04.720 be like, hey, we need to

00:41:05.720 figure out a way, even

00:41:06.900 though COVID is here to

00:41:08.580 play sports.

00:41:09.240 Right.

00:41:09.520 And so I was and have been

00:41:11.840 the most aggressively

00:41:13.420 proponent in finding a way

00:41:15.680 to play sports.

00:41:16.340 And you know who's with me?

00:41:17.780 Most athletes and most

00:41:19.560 owners and most and most

00:41:22.000 players.

00:41:22.820 But, you know, coaches for

00:41:24.480 sure.

00:41:25.240 Do you know how many of

00:41:26.260 those people feel

00:41:26.960 comfortable going out?

00:41:27.960 I mean, Megan, this is

00:41:28.500 crazy.

00:41:29.400 I am the only person.

00:41:30.440 So I do a sports gambling

00:41:32.080 show on FS1, which is the

00:41:34.220 ESPN version of Fox Sports.

00:41:36.200 Right.

00:41:36.400 We're on cable every day,

00:41:38.340 Monday through Friday.

00:41:39.420 I am the only person on

00:41:40.980 air at Fox Sports, CBS

00:41:43.160 Sports, NBC Sports or

00:41:45.320 ESPN to come out and say

00:41:47.700 I'm voting for Donald

00:41:48.680 Trump.

00:41:49.360 When I said that and the

00:41:50.880 reason I could do it is

00:41:51.720 because I own Outkick.

00:41:52.720 And if somebody decides, hey,

00:41:53.720 you're not able to be on

00:41:54.900 television anymore because

00:41:55.880 you're not left leaning

00:41:56.700 enough, I can just be like

00:41:57.800 screw you guys.

00:41:58.460 I'll, you know, just run

00:41:59.220 my own business and be

00:42:00.080 fine.

00:42:00.840 But but when I came out

00:42:02.820 and said that, Megan, my

00:42:04.480 phone and my DMS, it was

00:42:07.460 like it was like I was

00:42:08.600 pulling, you know, like it

00:42:10.100 was like I was in a casino

00:42:11.980 pulling the handle like it

00:42:13.160 was just a constant roar of

00:42:15.320 people who are in sports

00:42:16.820 media who are athletes,

00:42:19.100 coaches, players.

00:42:20.240 Uh, it was unbelievable.

00:42:22.760 Uh, media members, everybody

00:42:24.760 lining up and saying, hey, I'm

00:42:26.980 also voting for Trump, but I'm

00:42:28.340 terrified to be able to say

00:42:29.780 it publicly.

00:42:30.620 And so what the irony you're

00:42:32.400 pointing to is you had a

00:42:34.740 situation where people were

00:42:35.620 saying, oh, it's too

00:42:36.140 dangerous to play college

00:42:37.140 football outdoors in the

00:42:39.120 fall.

00:42:39.460 People fought it.

00:42:40.240 What I call the Corona

00:42:41.100 bros in sports media, they

00:42:42.740 fought it for months.

00:42:43.580 We were having battles every

00:42:44.660 day for months about whether

00:42:46.560 or not you can play college

00:42:47.720 sports this fall or the NFL

00:42:49.160 or the NBA or NHL, anything

00:42:51.480 else, right now, college

00:42:53.560 basketball is coming back

00:42:54.820 starting in a couple of

00:42:55.900 weeks.

00:42:56.180 They're playing indoors in

00:42:58.260 the middle of winter and

00:42:59.900 nobody is fighting against

00:43:01.140 it.

00:43:01.860 And so a lot of this was

00:43:02.840 political, but also it was

00:43:05.120 just founded on blatant

00:43:07.020 lies and what I also call

00:43:08.960 fear porn.

00:43:09.740 Like it's absolute insanity

00:43:12.540 where the sports media has

00:43:14.840 been.

00:43:15.260 And the fact that so many

00:43:16.380 people are afraid of saying

00:43:17.480 what they actually think,

00:43:18.580 even in my industry, is I

00:43:21.000 think it would blow people's

00:43:22.040 minds if they knew some of

00:43:23.180 the people out there who are

00:43:24.600 big Trump people that are

00:43:26.340 like, oh, my God, I've been

00:43:27.900 terrified to even admit it.

00:43:29.520 It's so wrong.

00:43:31.120 Honestly, I always think we're

00:43:32.160 becoming East German.

00:43:33.120 And when I hear these stories,

00:43:33.980 you're allowed to like Trump.

00:43:35.280 You're allowed to have your own

00:43:36.060 opinions.

00:43:36.660 You're not bad just because

00:43:38.120 you don't agree with these

00:43:39.440 far left wokesters.

00:43:40.960 And I wonder, you know, I had

00:43:42.540 Mark Cuban on the on the show

00:43:44.540 and we talked about Black

00:43:46.340 Lives Matter being, you

00:43:47.720 know, painted on the courts

00:43:49.000 and all the social messaging

00:43:50.040 on the jerseys of the players.

00:43:51.700 And, you know, he spent the

00:43:53.020 time telling me none of that

00:43:54.340 amounted to any sort of

00:43:56.140 ratings problems for the NBA.

00:43:57.520 And later that same day, the

00:44:00.140 the head guy of the of the

00:44:02.100 NBA released a statement

00:44:03.220 saying, never mind, we're

00:44:04.920 going to take that off the

00:44:05.700 court and we're going to take

00:44:06.480 those off the jerseys because

00:44:07.740 like we've heard our fans that

00:44:09.020 they don't want politics in

00:44:10.140 sports.

00:44:10.440 So, you know, the jig was up,

00:44:12.600 right?

00:44:12.760 He gave it up.

00:44:13.360 But what do you think?

00:44:14.480 I mean, what kind of impact do

00:44:15.420 you think that sort of

00:44:16.700 political messaging in sports

00:44:18.500 had on the losses we saw

00:44:21.580 on the Democrats down

00:44:23.440 ballot?

00:44:24.040 You know, like people may have

00:44:24.880 said, I'm not too keen on

00:44:26.920 Trump and some of his

00:44:27.780 rhetoric, but they didn't

00:44:29.620 take the Senate.

00:44:30.500 They, again, are going to hold

00:44:31.840 the smallest majority in 18

00:44:33.120 years in the House.

00:44:34.800 They lost down ballot at the

00:44:36.500 state level across the

00:44:38.320 United States.

00:44:39.000 So do you think that had

00:44:40.640 something to do with it as

00:44:41.520 this, as representative

00:44:42.820 Spanberger says?

00:44:44.360 I think it did.

00:44:45.500 I think the representative

00:44:47.040 out of Virginia is 100%

00:44:48.620 right.

00:44:49.640 And look, I talk to people

00:44:52.400 in the middle part of the

00:44:53.160 country all day, every day,

00:44:54.300 right?

00:44:54.560 We're on in all 50 states,

00:44:56.080 300 stations.

00:44:57.860 But, you know, I sort of

00:45:00.200 consider myself to be the

00:45:01.700 average sports fan, right?

00:45:03.220 That's what I am.

00:45:04.260 You know, I want to watch a

00:45:05.800 game on the weekend.

00:45:07.480 I want to kick my feet up.

00:45:09.000 I want to have a beer.

00:45:10.420 And I just want to escape the

00:45:12.800 serious things in my life

00:45:14.700 through sports.

00:45:15.560 Most of us become sports fans

00:45:18.040 because when we're in school,

00:45:20.420 you know, like, it's what we

00:45:21.220 get to do when we finish our

00:45:22.180 homework.

00:45:23.040 It is the dessert of life, is

00:45:25.200 a good way of putting it for

00:45:26.300 many of us out there.

00:45:28.240 I finally understand.

00:45:29.040 This is like my Real Housewives.

00:45:30.980 I'm getting it now.

00:45:31.620 That's why my wife sits around

00:45:32.480 and watches Real Housewives all

00:45:33.740 day.

00:45:33.880 That's, you know, my my

00:45:35.800 that's 100 percent right.

00:45:37.440 Right.

00:45:38.420 And and so

00:45:39.800 if you tell me, you know,

00:45:41.320 I've got three young kids.

00:45:42.600 I know you do, too.

00:45:43.760 If if I tell my kids, hey,

00:45:45.360 you do everything well

00:45:46.320 today, we're going to go get

00:45:47.300 ice cream.

00:45:47.980 And then I get them in the

00:45:49.060 car and I pull up in front

00:45:50.540 of a, you know, like

00:45:52.220 Whole Foods and we go in and

00:45:53.520 we get broccoli stalks.

00:45:55.180 My kids are going to be like,

00:45:56.380 what?

00:45:57.000 Dad, you told us if we were

00:45:58.400 good all day, we got ice

00:45:59.980 cream and you just took us to

00:46:01.420 Whole Foods and we went got

00:46:02.560 broccoli stalks.

00:46:03.760 This isn't fair.

00:46:04.640 We don't want this like

00:46:05.740 sports is dessert.

00:46:07.720 And so if you are not

00:46:09.900 understanding why people

00:46:11.620 consume your product,

00:46:13.260 you're in a you've got a

00:46:14.140 difficult situation.

00:46:14.940 And I think honestly, Megan,

00:46:17.320 athletes have gotten so

00:46:18.660 highly paid.

00:46:19.500 They've forgotten where

00:46:20.680 their salaries come from.

00:46:22.300 You know, if fans tune out,

00:46:24.240 eventually athletes make a

00:46:25.760 lot less money.

00:46:27.460 And I think that there's

00:46:29.000 such a disconnect between

00:46:30.400 the average fan and the

00:46:32.420 average athlete in a way

00:46:34.320 that there wasn't even back

00:46:35.640 in the 80s or the 90s like

00:46:37.340 you would.

00:46:37.700 They made good money, but

00:46:38.980 they didn't make 40

00:46:39.740 million dollars a year.

00:46:40.820 Right.

00:46:41.120 Like the overall salaries

00:46:42.920 have continued to escalate.

00:46:44.600 And a big part of that,

00:46:45.780 honestly, is going to be

00:46:46.480 challenged by the

00:46:47.280 collapsing cable and

00:46:48.300 satellite bundle and ESPN.

00:46:49.960 And if you're intrigued by

00:46:51.120 that story, I really have

00:46:53.080 spent a lot of time at

00:46:53.840 Outkick writing about it.

00:46:55.540 But yeah, I think I think

00:46:56.900 that's the biggest issue is

00:46:58.280 you've got to know why

00:46:59.480 people consume your

00:47:00.400 product.

00:47:01.240 Right.

00:47:01.860 And people consume your

00:47:02.980 product if you're a sports

00:47:04.500 in the sports business to

00:47:06.080 escape the serious things

00:47:07.720 in life.

00:47:08.340 And if you start sending

00:47:09.580 the serious things in life

00:47:11.000 to them over and over

00:47:12.460 again, they'll put on

00:47:13.520 Netflix.

00:47:14.240 You know, there's never

00:47:14.900 been more opportunities

00:47:16.380 for entertainment in our

00:47:17.620 history as a nation.

00:47:18.960 And suddenly sports has

00:47:20.400 forgotten why people are

00:47:21.660 there.

00:47:21.960 It's because it's the

00:47:23.580 dessert of life.

00:47:24.500 It's the toy chess of

00:47:26.400 life.

00:47:27.220 You know, you you go to

00:47:28.600 the sports page to feel

00:47:29.680 good about yourself

00:47:30.480 typically.

00:47:30.980 And I think a lot of

00:47:31.820 sports journalists and

00:47:33.020 certainly athletes and

00:47:34.100 teams have lost that

00:47:35.620 touch with reality.

00:47:37.580 Not me.

00:47:38.220 I go there to feel dumb

00:47:39.160 and to think, oh, God,

00:47:40.260 I should have paid more

00:47:40.940 attention with my earlier

00:47:41.960 boyfriends.

00:47:43.100 OK, now, wait, I want to

00:47:44.220 ask you about Corona Bros

00:47:45.260 and Corona because there

00:47:47.180 is big news today.

00:47:48.340 Pfizer, it has announced

00:47:50.140 that it has a COVID

00:47:51.600 vaccine, that it is

00:47:53.580 over 90 percent

00:47:54.880 effective.

00:47:55.440 They've had large scale

00:47:57.460 clinical trials so far.

00:47:59.480 No serious safety

00:48:00.600 concerns, they say.

00:48:01.880 And they say they're going

00:48:02.880 to seek authorization in

00:48:04.420 the United States this

00:48:06.080 month for emergency

00:48:07.880 use.

00:48:09.700 So, A, I'm sure you're

00:48:10.980 going to have a lot of

00:48:11.360 people saying, oh, sure.

00:48:13.420 You know, a week after the

00:48:15.000 election, you know.

00:48:15.920 Yeah, six days.

00:48:16.980 Yes.

00:48:17.460 How does that how is this

00:48:18.900 going to change

00:48:19.820 politics and the other

00:48:21.960 things we've been talking

00:48:22.700 about in our country now?

00:48:24.100 Because, you know, one of

00:48:25.660 one of the things that had

00:48:26.780 us so divided was the

00:48:28.860 threat of lockdowns and

00:48:30.680 the mask shaming.

00:48:31.820 And, you know, I mean,

00:48:33.000 honestly, my my kid

00:48:35.260 like there she's going to

00:48:37.340 school.

00:48:37.700 She cannot speak during

00:48:39.080 lunch while she eats.

00:48:40.020 My little boys, they they

00:48:42.140 have to run around playing

00:48:43.560 basketball at sports and

00:48:44.840 recess with their masks on,

00:48:46.640 which our pediatrician says

00:48:47.600 is dangerous.

00:48:48.920 A lot of kids still not even

00:48:50.440 in school at all.

00:48:52.300 And these jerks are out

00:48:54.380 there protesting or

00:48:56.080 celebrating the Joe Biden

00:48:57.500 win.

00:48:57.880 And I actually have no

00:48:58.720 problem.

00:48:59.180 The Trump people, they're

00:49:01.060 out there celebrating him

00:49:02.160 at the rallies, but they're

00:49:02.840 not lecturing us.

00:49:03.960 They're not turning around

00:49:05.320 and scolding the rest of us

00:49:06.660 to wear our masks, wear our

00:49:07.680 masks.

00:49:07.960 Well, screw you.

00:49:08.860 So how do you think this is

00:49:10.440 going to affect the country?

00:49:12.220 Big question.

00:49:12.780 So let me hit, first of all,

00:49:14.000 to your point about people

00:49:15.160 celebrating Biden's

00:49:16.300 election or calling

00:49:18.700 by the networks.

00:49:20.800 What is fascinating to me is

00:49:22.140 the same night, and I know

00:49:23.240 you're not a huge sports fan,

00:49:24.520 but Notre Dame won a massive

00:49:26.320 game against Clemson in

00:49:28.060 double overtime.

00:49:29.240 And they had 11,000 students

00:49:31.140 and faculty and fans that

00:49:33.280 were present in that stadium.

00:49:34.800 And they stormed the field

00:49:36.360 to celebrate, right?

00:49:37.440 They all left their seats

00:49:38.580 and they had a picture.

00:49:40.360 And the Corona Bros, as I

00:49:41.580 call them, and that term,

00:49:43.220 by the way, originated back

00:49:44.680 in March and April when there

00:49:46.280 were so many people on social

00:49:47.640 media, it felt like, to me,

00:49:49.480 rooting for COVID, right?

00:49:51.240 Like, rooting for Corona

00:49:52.580 to expand.

00:49:53.660 The minute there was a

00:49:54.580 negative story, they were

00:49:55.700 everywhere, like, oh, my God,

00:49:57.000 we're never going to be able

00:49:57.600 to leave again.

00:49:58.340 You know, like, they kind of

00:49:59.340 came out of the fetid waters

00:50:00.560 of Reddit.

00:50:02.500 And, you know, they were

00:50:03.580 just everywhere, you know,

00:50:04.600 like, oh, my God, this is

00:50:05.480 going to kill everyone.

00:50:06.520 This is a disaster.

00:50:07.640 And so I was like, who are

00:50:08.500 these people that are, like,

00:50:09.400 rooting for Corona all the

00:50:10.820 time?

00:50:11.180 Like, they were in my...

00:50:11.820 So I started kind of

00:50:13.080 ridiculing them.

00:50:13.920 And then we've made an

00:50:14.960 all-encompassing aspect

00:50:16.400 for, like, people who

00:50:17.680 refuse to live their lives

00:50:19.160 and, like, lock themselves

00:50:20.180 in their basement, you know,

00:50:21.300 for months at a time.

00:50:22.620 The Corona bro community,

00:50:23.780 which obviously supported

00:50:25.000 Joe Biden overwhelmingly.

00:50:27.000 But so they would call out.

00:50:28.720 They were like, oh, this is

00:50:29.420 beautiful.

00:50:29.820 It's so great to see

00:50:30.560 democracy winning.

00:50:31.740 Look at this video of all

00:50:33.060 these celebrating Biden

00:50:34.180 supporters.

00:50:34.900 And then the same people,

00:50:36.560 Megan, were like, oh, this

00:50:38.120 is totally unacceptable when

00:50:39.940 the Notre Dame students stormed

00:50:41.900 the field to celebrate

00:50:42.780 their win.

00:50:43.340 Well, either a gathering

00:50:45.180 of joyful people on

00:50:46.600 Saturday is acceptable

00:50:48.020 or it isn't.

00:50:49.540 You can't make a decision

00:50:50.920 like, oh, it's fine to have

00:50:52.620 a Black Lives Matter

00:50:53.520 protest, but you can't

00:50:55.100 protest the lockdown.

00:50:56.720 It's not as if COVID makes

00:50:58.020 a decision based on the

00:50:59.540 politics of the people who

00:51:00.680 are out in the streets on

00:51:02.320 whether or not to spread,

00:51:04.060 you know, predicated on what

00:51:05.840 they are celebrating or

00:51:07.160 opposing or anything else.

00:51:08.380 So that got me all kind of

00:51:09.860 fired up.

00:51:10.320 Mm hmm.

00:51:11.620 Clay, Travis, such a

00:51:13.080 pleasure.

00:51:13.640 Thank you so much for being

00:51:14.740 here.

00:51:15.260 I loved it.

00:51:16.040 Congratulations on your new

00:51:16.900 show success and happy to

00:51:17.980 come on whenever.

00:51:18.560 And thanks for coming on

00:51:19.300 mine.

00:51:19.600 I thought we had a good

00:51:20.160 combo then and now.

00:51:21.300 Appreciate you.

00:51:22.000 I loved it.

00:51:22.620 If you haven't heard my

00:51:23.280 interview with Clay, please

00:51:24.180 check it out because

00:51:24.720 honestly, it was like one of

00:51:25.700 my favorite interviews I did

00:51:26.860 while launching the pod is

00:51:27.760 so thoughtful.

00:51:28.560 You're such a great

00:51:29.140 interviewer.

00:51:29.720 So happy to know you.

00:51:31.160 Talk to you soon.

00:51:31.840 For sure.

00:51:32.220 Thank you.

00:51:37.560 In one minute, we're

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00:53:50.620 Well, it's great to be with you,

00:53:52.240 Megan.

00:53:52.580 Thank you.

00:53:53.600 And as regards Prager, you

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00:54:35.700 All right.

00:54:36.380 So can we just start first with

00:54:39.980 the theme of the day, which is

00:54:41.580 this call for unity and healing?

00:54:44.960 In fact, there was a

00:54:45.680 pronouncement that it's happened

00:54:46.640 by Vice President Biden, now

00:54:48.100 President-elect Biden, that a

00:54:50.240 nation healed, a nation unified,

00:54:52.460 and the left wing freaking out

00:54:55.620 that me and others would say,

00:54:59.440 I don't know.

00:55:02.680 I'm not so sure.

00:55:03.960 What do you think?

00:55:05.260 I have noted for all of my

00:55:07.780 broadcast life, 35 years, that

00:55:11.140 calls for unity are almost always

00:55:13.800 either disingenuous or naive.

00:55:17.020 It sounds great.

00:55:18.940 I would love Americans to unite

00:55:20.840 around the three principles of

00:55:23.520 America, liberty, e pluribus unum,

00:55:26.200 in God we trust.

00:55:27.440 I think that would be awesome.

00:55:29.780 So that's my vision.

00:55:31.540 But I'll tell you when I learned

00:55:33.340 that it wasn't real.

00:55:35.160 My first radio show, I was the

00:55:37.540 moderator of clergymen.

00:55:40.340 People would discuss religion for

00:55:41.900 two hours.

00:55:42.900 Ironically or interestingly, it

00:55:44.600 was the most popular show in Los

00:55:45.960 Angeles.

00:55:46.660 I began on LA radio and I became

00:55:49.160 national in 99.

00:55:50.140 Anyway, I was the moderator.

00:55:52.560 It was a priest, minister, rabbi,

00:55:54.100 Protestant, Catholic, Jew.

00:55:55.740 And then I expanded it to every

00:55:58.160 other religion in the world.

00:55:59.700 So every so often, a Protestant

00:56:03.000 minister would call for Christian

00:56:04.740 unity.

00:56:05.880 So I would ask him, really, are you

00:56:08.920 prepared to accept the primacy of the

00:56:12.620 Pope, the Bishop of Rome?

00:56:14.460 He said, well, no, not really.

00:56:18.500 And I would ask the Catholic, oh, so

00:56:21.040 are you prepared for Christian unity

00:56:24.040 to give up the papacy and the belief

00:56:28.380 that the Pope is the vicar of Christ

00:56:30.240 on earth?

00:56:30.840 No, well, we can't do that.

00:56:32.740 So everybody calls for unity on his own

00:56:36.680 terms.

00:56:38.140 That's why it's not honest.

00:56:41.080 Exactly right.

00:56:42.020 I couldn't agree with you more.

00:56:43.480 That's what we're seeing right now.

00:56:45.540 It's like, listen, you've got

00:56:47.000 commentators who nobody's ever heard

00:56:48.640 of, like this guy, Toure, who used to

00:56:50.120 have a show on MSNBC coming out and

00:56:51.800 saying, and I quote, I hope the pain

00:56:53.780 and anxiety that Trump supporters feel

00:56:56.160 now is excruciating.

00:56:58.580 And then, you know, other commentators

00:57:00.740 are saying, absolutely not.

00:57:02.660 He'll heal, heal, love unity.

00:57:04.540 You know, don't you feel it?

00:57:05.460 But then we get the announcement that

00:57:07.440 they are literally creating blacklists.

00:57:11.320 And not just for people who worked in

00:57:13.100 the Trump administration, which would be

00:57:14.700 bad enough, but for anyone who supported

00:57:18.000 him.

00:57:18.340 Let me read you a little bit from this

00:57:20.040 Trump accountability group that is

00:57:22.500 coming after all of his supporters.

00:57:25.000 First, they start out by saying, we

00:57:27.340 should welcome, we should welcome our

00:57:29.320 fellow Americans with whom we differ

00:57:31.720 politically.

00:57:32.740 Ah, lovely little violins playing.

00:57:35.500 Then it goes on.

00:57:36.620 But we should not allow the following

00:57:39.140 groups of people to profit from their

00:57:41.040 experience.

00:57:41.860 And the category, the first category is

00:57:44.300 those who elected him.

00:57:47.340 So half the country should be punished.

00:57:52.440 And they say explicitly, you know, they

00:57:55.860 don't, they want them on a list.

00:57:58.200 And one of the guys in this group came

00:58:00.460 out and got specific and said a warning,

00:58:02.280 a warning to publishers considering

00:58:03.700 signing anyone who led a campaign to

00:58:06.920 get Americans to hate each other, i.e.

00:58:09.100 people who supported President Trump, you

00:58:11.280 will face a massive boycott led by the

00:58:14.120 Trump Accountability Project, not just

00:58:16.300 of this book, but of your entire library.

00:58:21.140 Unity, we're healed.

00:58:24.180 I mean, it's so absurd.

00:58:25.860 Well, you know, there is no totalitarian

00:58:28.720 group in history that I am a student of

00:58:31.120 totalitarianism.

00:58:32.560 There is no totalitarian group, the

00:58:35.120 communist Nazis being the most obvious in

00:58:37.100 the 20th century that did not call for

00:58:40.260 unity and, of course, punish those who

00:58:43.900 didn't go along with their unity.

00:58:46.360 So they are following textbook communism.

00:58:50.360 This, I have never called the left

00:58:52.860 communist, the American left communist

00:58:54.960 until this year when I realize what they

00:58:59.220 want to do and change our curricula to

00:59:03.920 to propaganda, the punishment of people

00:59:07.720 who differ, as you are mentioning right

00:59:10.000 now, and the totalitarian nature of the

00:59:14.340 press.

00:59:15.060 I, my field of study, graduate school at

00:59:18.140 Columbia, was the Soviet Union, communism.

00:59:22.360 And I learned Russian solely in order to

00:59:24.820 read Pravda, the Soviet communist

00:59:26.380 newspaper, which I read every day.

00:59:27.980 And I, I, I want to tell you something,

00:59:32.740 Megan, that I, I learned only in the last

00:59:36.400 few years, and I really thought I knew a

00:59:40.580 lot about totalitarianism.

00:59:42.100 I believe that the press can brainwash

00:59:46.860 people only in a totalitarian state.

00:59:49.920 And I have learned in the sad, I've come to

00:59:55.480 the sad realization that the press can

00:59:59.000 brainwash people in a free country.

01:00:01.480 And that is what we have at this time.

01:00:06.520 Well, it's, it's getting serious because,

01:00:08.920 you know, I was talking earlier to Clay

01:00:11.100 Travis and we were making a distinction.

01:00:12.840 He, he was a lifelong Democrat until the

01:00:15.420 Trump administration.

01:00:16.140 We were making a distinction between the

01:00:19.080 left, capital L and liberals, you know, and

01:00:21.920 I know you, you're always careful to do

01:00:23.460 this too.

01:00:23.940 And I, I want to make that clear too.

01:00:26.720 Liberals, I think a lot of them, most of

01:00:29.040 them, I think are horrified at what this

01:00:30.860 far left is trying to do to our country, but

01:00:33.780 they're afraid too.

01:00:35.060 They're afraid just like Republicans are

01:00:36.500 that they're going to be called bigots and

01:00:38.500 awful if they speak up about what's

01:00:40.800 happening in our universities and in media.

01:00:44.040 You know, you've pointed out in our, in

01:00:46.540 music and art, like it goes on the list of

01:00:48.480 things that they are trying to co-opt and

01:00:51.360 control is getting scary.

01:00:54.880 Well, that's right.

01:00:56.060 And the key problem is the liberal.

01:01:00.380 If the liberal understood that the left is

01:01:03.940 its enemy, not the right, America would have

01:01:08.360 a great reason, great, great reasons for

01:01:10.440 hope. The liberal believes that you and I,

01:01:15.340 that conservatives are their enemy, when in

01:01:19.060 fact the left is their enemy.

01:01:21.740 Liberals and conservatives share a love of

01:01:24.020 America, share a belief in being colorblind,

01:01:28.340 share a belief that capitalism is the only

01:01:30.820 economic system that raises people out of

01:01:33.760 poverty.

01:01:35.440 Liberals and conservatives support Israel.

01:01:38.080 I mean, the, we have everything in common

01:01:41.160 except the, uh, extent of government, which

01:01:44.440 is fine. People can differ on that, but the

01:01:47.380 left has nothing in common. The left believes

01:01:49.700 in all black dormitories. I was raised a

01:01:53.500 liberal Democrat. I was taught to believe in

01:01:55.460 racial integration. Only the Ku Klux Klan and

01:01:58.600 the left believe in all black dormitories. And

01:02:01.380 yet liberals vote for the left. That's the great

01:02:05.220 tragedy of American life today. The liberals

01:02:08.360 have wimped out in the battle for freedom.

01:02:11.080 Well, I'll tell you, I'm, I'm an independent. I

01:02:13.420 voted Democrat and I voted Republican throughout

01:02:15.560 the course of my life. I was actually laughing

01:02:17.360 because I was talking to my husband, Doug. I

01:02:18.980 voted in eight presidential elections, given

01:02:21.240 my age. And, um, I've been wrong in five of

01:02:24.340 them. I've picked the loser in five and I've

01:02:26.420 only gotten the winner in three, but I don't

01:02:28.440 care. I'm voting, you know, my conscience, but

01:02:30.940 even being an independent, and I certainly lean

01:02:33.120 more right than I do left. But I have plenty

01:02:34.920 of things that I'm, I'm toying with on the

01:02:36.580 center left that I, you know, I'm open-minded

01:02:37.980 to. That's not enough. Like you, I feel like a

01:02:42.100 far right person now, you know, it's like, I, it

01:02:45.360 seems like the other side is getting farther and

01:02:48.360 farther away and I can barely see them. I'm like,

01:02:50.760 come back, come back.

01:02:52.260 If you don't agree with them on one thing, you

01:02:54.720 are an enemy. That's why I called him the

01:02:58.360 American form of communism. Unfortunately, most

01:03:04.440 people having gone to college have not learned

01:03:06.600 much of history, but Stalin, the great mass

01:03:10.220 murderer of the Soviet Union, called Trotsky, the

01:03:13.880 man who founded the Red Army. He and Lenin were

01:03:17.240 the founders of communism in Russia. And, uh, he

01:03:22.360 called Trotsky a fascist because he opposed

01:03:26.000 Stalin. So, uh, this is very old. Uh, there's a

01:03:31.780 great biblical verse. The left is a land that

01:03:36.040 eats its own inhabitants. It's a, it's a

01:03:39.540 statement of a land that eats its own

01:03:41.680 inhabitants in the Bible. And it's a great

01:03:43.500 line. And that's what the left does. People

01:03:45.820 think they'll go along, but then they vary in

01:03:48.520 one way and they will be shut down. This, um,

01:03:53.180 freedom in the U S has never been threatened

01:03:56.520 freedom of speech. Never. This is the first

01:04:00.800 attack on, on a freedom of speech in American

01:04:04.580 history. And it is all coming from the left

01:04:08.560 because the left never allows dissent. Never.

01:04:11.860 There was no exception from Lenin, uh, to the

01:04:15.580 university in the United States. They do not

01:04:18.620 allow dissent. Well, this is what we saw

01:04:21.460 in. Yeah, sorry. Go ahead. I just want to

01:04:24.600 say this. If, if Joe Biden is serious about

01:04:26.800 unity, uh, I will cheer for him in front of

01:04:30.180 the white house. If he says it is time for

01:04:33.180 the tech companies to allow all voices, then

01:04:36.740 I'll know he's serious. Good point. I mean,

01:04:40.840 this is, this is one of the themes of no safe

01:04:42.680 spaces, which I've mentioned on the show

01:04:44.220 before it's a film about you and Adam Carolla

01:04:47.560 going from college campus to college campus to

01:04:49.980 encourage students to not run to safe spaces,

01:04:52.860 which are totally inaptly named. Um, and, you

01:04:57.640 know, to sort of get out of their comfort zone and

01:04:59.560 listen to ideas that might offend or intrigue or

01:05:02.600 be contrarian to their own beliefs. And along the

01:05:05.620 way you encounter a lot of stories that underscore

01:05:08.240 just how divided we are and how people are getting

01:05:11.380 their own words shoved down their throat that

01:05:13.760 should be completely non-controversial. And I, I

01:05:16.600 told this to Adam Carolla when he was here and

01:05:19.360 I'll tell it to you too. I, I saw a screening of

01:05:21.380 it by Mark Joseph. He's the director and the guy

01:05:24.840 who produced it. And I cried, I sat in my seat

01:05:29.520 and I cried. I had tears running down my face as I

01:05:32.820 watched it because of what's happened to our

01:05:36.120 country and how we bully one another. I mean, I, I

01:05:40.800 have to be honest, it's not that it's, it's

01:05:42.780 these leftists who are bullying people into

01:05:46.280 submission on thought and even their own, you

01:05:51.220 know, that's how Brett Weinstein became a

01:05:53.360 household name or, you know, at least for people

01:05:55.700 who are political. A land that eats its

01:05:57.780 inhabitants. Yeah. He's a, he's a leftist

01:06:00.020 professor from Evergreen, Evergreen College in

01:06:02.760 Washington State. Well, he's a liberal.

01:06:03.640 And he, right. And, and he got eaten alive. He

01:06:06.660 lost his job because he wasn't quite liberal

01:06:08.800 enough. Well, uh, I, I, I hope all of your

01:06:12.480 listeners watch the movie. The movie is

01:06:14.620 great. It's not great because I'm in it. I'm

01:06:16.760 in a great movie. I always tell people that

01:06:18.420 and your reaction about crying. You'll also

01:06:21.360 laugh at the, at it, but it is a wake-up call

01:06:24.540 to what is happening. By the way, that's

01:06:27.060 another subject, which certainly we can do

01:06:29.560 another time if you want. Uh, and that is

01:06:32.300 what do you do? Do you send your child to

01:06:34.420 college? I mean, this is a very serious

01:06:37.640 question. The number of people I meet

01:06:39.800 whose children are alienated from them

01:06:43.320 because college taught them that their

01:06:45.160 father or their mother is a racist is

01:06:48.100 very, very large in this country. You are,

01:06:51.520 you are playing Russian roulette with your

01:06:53.660 child's values. If you send your child to

01:06:56.540 college and now high school, I'm not saying

01:06:58.760 the kids should not study. I, I, uh, you

01:07:01.640 know, my life is devoted to the life of the

01:07:04.700 mind, but, uh, the life of the mind is

01:07:08.120 crushed in high school and college. Now, uh,

01:07:11.420 people, it's a terrible dilemma for a

01:07:13.500 parent. And I think a lot of the, what,

01:07:16.860 what people may have to do, look, your kid,

01:07:19.660 I don't mean your kid, but maybe your kid,

01:07:22.280 any kid will be taught in almost any public

01:07:25.300 school today and any private school for

01:07:27.100 that matter, that America was founded in

01:07:29.840 1619. The New York times lie about America's

01:07:33.080 founding. It is now in 3000 schools. You

01:07:37.340 want your child to learn to hate this

01:07:39.000 country, send them to school.

01:07:41.800 Oh, it's, it's already happening. I mean,

01:07:43.540 my kids are in first grade, fourth grade

01:07:45.180 and fifth grade, and the reports they come

01:07:47.000 home with are jaw dropping. I mean, uh, last

01:07:50.500 year, my oldest child was a fourth grader and

01:07:52.640 they were, um, learning about the American

01:07:55.440 revolution. And he came home and said, I

01:07:58.020 could name it was either nine or 12 slaves

01:08:00.600 who made a difference in the war. And he

01:08:02.920 could tell you exactly where and when they

01:08:04.480 did it and their names and so on. And I

01:08:05.740 said, that's, that's awesome. Did they

01:08:07.720 mention anything about George Washington? No.

01:08:12.880 And then just last week, my daughter came

01:08:15.120 home, they were talking about the election

01:08:16.400 and she said, um, well, my teacher said

01:08:19.840 that Donald Trump is mean and Joe Biden is

01:08:23.400 nice and that Democrats want to help people

01:08:27.200 who are hurting and Republicans don't. Okay. So

01:08:30.420 this is just very basic talk, right? For

01:08:32.600 nine-year-old girls, but you have to actively

01:08:35.960 counter program. And, and only because we've

01:08:38.840 been doing that to my kids, even know to

01:08:40.920 come home and report that stuff to me.

01:08:43.620 Otherwise, if you don't do that, it'll have

01:08:46.200 no flag on it for your kid and they'll just

01:08:48.440 accept it. Cause that's what kids do when

01:08:49.700 they're nine.

01:08:51.040 That's right. That's why we founded Prager

01:08:53.080 You. And that's why, uh, in a couple of

01:08:55.600 years, you should show them Prager You

01:08:57.040 videos.

01:08:58.480 I will. I a hundred percent will.

01:09:00.600 Yes. No, I know it's, it's the way to

01:09:02.380 counteract it. We have four Pulitzer prize

01:09:06.140 winners, three former prime ministers,

01:09:08.080 professors from Oxford, Harvard, Stanford,

01:09:10.520 Yale. I mean, we have a pretty distinguished

01:09:12.980 faculty of people who give these five

01:09:15.100 minute courses, but they need an intellectual

01:09:18.420 antidote. Have they had drag queen story

01:09:21.520 hour yet for your kids? Oh God. No,

01:09:24.180 thankfully that's not happening. And

01:09:26.240 they're not, my kids are not going to

01:09:27.300 that. And honestly, it's nothing against

01:09:28.420 drag queens, but I don't want my kid

01:09:30.600 being exposed to that. There's a time and

01:09:32.340 a place, I think I was 30. The first time

01:09:33.900 I ever saw a drag queen show. That's

01:09:35.540 plenty. Right. That's exactly. Well, but

01:09:37.640 you, you've been trying this, but even

01:09:39.540 your, even your video, wasn't it? It got

01:09:43.840 pulled from a high school offering. There

01:09:46.040 was a, there was an assignment that kids

01:09:48.480 should consider any video from any

01:09:52.520 conservative website. And one was pulled,

01:09:54.700 I guess, from PragerU and some, one

01:09:58.240 parent freaked out and that was the end

01:09:59.640 of that. That's right. Moamee high

01:10:02.440 school outside of Toledo. The school to

01:10:06.080 its credit said, we have to expose our

01:10:08.080 children to various ways of looking at

01:10:10.120 life. And so one teacher said for extra

01:10:13.200 credit, you should watch a PragerU video.

01:10:16.360 Any one of your choice. We have 450 of

01:10:18.940 them. They could have chosen a video on,

01:10:21.820 on how to forgive people given, given by

01:10:26.340 a religious psychiatrist. I mean, you

01:10:28.800 know, they could have taken anything, but

01:10:30.920 one parent freaked out and now the school.

01:10:34.200 So then they had 200 alumni say you cannot

01:10:37.660 show any conservative videos, obviously

01:10:40.680 including PragerU. You cannot. And the

01:10:44.580 school has, of course, relented.

01:10:46.360 It's sad to me. And honestly, this

01:10:48.420 problem and what I saw in No Safe Spaces

01:10:52.300 and how much it affected me. Those are

01:10:54.600 the reasons I launched this show. I

01:10:57.040 resolved at the end of that movie to

01:10:59.980 fight, to fight for the First Amendment,

01:11:02.520 the ability to express oneself freely and

01:11:05.720 without absurd, unforeseeable penalty

01:11:08.260 penalties. And, and to stand up for

01:11:11.200 people who, you know, we've been talking

01:11:12.820 about who don't feel like they can say

01:11:14.500 anything publicly. They're worried about

01:11:16.700 their livelihood. They're worried about

01:11:18.760 their kids' school and teachers turning

01:11:21.580 on them. They're worried about their

01:11:22.480 friends turning on them. And sometimes you

01:11:25.540 can feel like you really are alone since

01:11:27.500 so many institutions have been co-opted by

01:11:30.600 the left, you know, from sports to art, to

01:11:33.440 publishing, to the media, to Hollywood. It

01:11:36.900 could go on. But so many inputs are

01:11:39.580 controlled now by the left and

01:11:41.380 conservatives. They don't have much,

01:11:43.880 Dennis. I mean, what do conservatives

01:11:45.060 control?

01:11:47.300 Ourselves.

01:11:47.820 That's the irony. That's what we

01:11:52.500 control. We don't want to control other

01:11:54.660 people. That's a very big difference. We

01:11:58.620 want to, we want to be left alone to lead

01:12:01.320 a life devoted to what we think is

01:12:03.680 important, our families, in some of our

01:12:06.420 cases, our religion as well, to doing

01:12:09.080 good in our community, to supporting a

01:12:11.700 family. We just want to be left alone. We

01:12:14.460 find meaning in life without revolution.

01:12:17.820 The left, all through history, have been

01:12:23.080 soulless people. They fill their

01:12:26.460 soullessness with politics, with

01:12:29.600 revolution. Of course, it's toward no

01:12:32.620 end. The purpose of leftism is chaos. It

01:12:36.400 took me a lifetime of study to realize

01:12:38.660 this. And what did it was when I was told

01:12:40.960 by the ACLU that I have to say, have to

01:12:44.060 say, men give birth. If you don't say men

01:12:47.760 give birth, you're an evil human being. And

01:12:51.360 then I realized, oh, my God, we have

01:12:53.420 truly, we have, we have transcended Orwell

01:12:55.980 that you must say that. I was on Bill

01:12:58.740 Maher's show last fall, so a year ago. And

01:13:03.380 I, you know, they were, the whole panel,

01:13:06.120 of course, was on the left and the whole

01:13:07.620 audience is on the left. And to Bill's

01:13:09.840 credit, he invited me. And he said, oh,

01:13:13.380 Trump's lies. I said, Trump's lies don't

01:13:15.440 compare to the left's lies. He goes, oh,

01:13:17.780 really? Like what? I said, like America is

01:13:20.200 racist. And so it's a gigantic lie. There

01:13:23.760 are racists in America, but America is the

01:13:25.840 least racist multiracial country in human

01:13:28.320 history, which is why 3 million black

01:13:30.680 Africans have moved here in the last 20

01:13:32.500 years. They know how little racism there is

01:13:35.380 in America. So they, they do anything to

01:13:37.500 move here. And then, and I'll give you

01:13:39.300 another example, men menstruate. So he, so

01:13:42.920 Bill Maher cracks up, men menstruate, who

01:13:46.020 the hell said that? The whole audience is

01:13:47.880 laughing at me. And now with less than a

01:13:51.560 year, you can't laugh at the statement,

01:13:54.220 men menstruate.

01:13:55.480 No, it's true. You can't. And the, the

01:13:58.640 erosion in some ways of womanhood in an

01:14:03.260 attempt to widen a tent and be accepting

01:14:06.020 of trans women concerns me. I am somebody

01:14:11.180 who knows trans folks. And I have a couple

01:14:13.720 in my own family and I've been as accepting

01:14:16.320 and loving as any person possibly could

01:14:18.360 be, but I don't want to have to say that

01:14:20.120 men menstruate. I still believe in something

01:14:22.680 called women. And I don't want to be told I

01:14:26.280 can't say that or be told by the Ted talk

01:14:29.100 people that I now need to spell women W O M X N

01:14:34.040 or that I'm a bigot. It's, or that I'm a

01:14:38.100 bigot. If I have questions about a trans

01:14:40.160 girl competing against cis girls, meaning

01:14:43.880 girls who are born girls and always

01:14:46.240 identify as girls in, in high school

01:14:48.980 sports, but it, it really is getting, I

01:14:52.840 say again, scary because you don't, I

01:14:55.620 mean, if I feel that way, Dennis, and I've

01:14:57.420 got this platform and I, you know, I've

01:14:58.880 certainly taken more than more than enough

01:15:01.320 slings and arrows to have some tough skin.

01:15:04.540 Imagine what my imaginary viewer, Madge

01:15:06.880 feels in Iowa. Who's like every input she

01:15:09.800 has, at least outside the state of Iowa is

01:15:12.300 you're bad. If you think anything like

01:15:14.720 that, you're bad. If you don't, if you

01:15:16.820 don't believe men menstruate and you really

01:15:19.340 need to expand your horizons and educate

01:15:21.700 yourself, right? That's what they keep

01:15:23.320 telling us. You need to educate yourself. But

01:15:25.520 then when somebody tries to educate

01:15:27.060 themselves with a video from Prager, you

01:15:28.800 bigots, shut it down. Somehow the alt-right

01:15:32.460 has gotten its nose into the tent of

01:15:34.940 academia. So where does this go? Where, how

01:15:39.700 do you get out of this?

01:15:41.120 Well, the only way is to fight. And, you

01:15:45.240 know, you said something earlier and I

01:15:47.900 didn't, I obviously, I didn't want to

01:15:49.840 interrupt, but it was, I would have loved

01:15:53.360 to say at the moment, you said, you know,

01:15:55.420 we're, we're, we're alone or conservatives

01:15:58.440 feel alone. Non-leftists, that's even

01:16:01.160 more accurate. And then you look at the

01:16:04.520 votes, half the country is with us and we

01:16:09.580 feel alone. Isn't that, that's a phenomenon.

01:16:13.720 We're gigantic in numbers, gigantic. And yet

01:16:18.060 because they are able to intimidate through

01:16:22.680 the, they have captured every institution,

01:16:25.640 now sports, late night comedy, there is

01:16:29.540 nothing left, nothing. So that's why

01:16:32.160 people, half the country feels alone. It's

01:16:36.000 a phenomenon.

01:16:37.180 Well, I think it's a problem because, you

01:16:39.280 know, when we say fight, I, I agree with

01:16:41.140 you. I mean, your movie made me want to do

01:16:43.420 that, but I don't exactly know what to say

01:16:47.320 to Madge, you know, who really could get

01:16:49.700 fired. I I'm financially secure. I'm

01:16:53.400 independent, so I can do it. And that's

01:16:55.460 one of the reasons I feel I must, but

01:16:57.940 people need their paychecks and now they

01:17:00.200 really are getting fired. If they don't

01:17:01.880 say the right things about black lives

01:17:04.240 matter, if they don't want to sit and see

01:17:06.340 their country re-racialized in these

01:17:08.580 critical race theory sessions, which are

01:17:10.360 coming back, Biden has promised that. So

01:17:12.820 what are they supposed to do?

01:17:14.820 It's the biggest dilemma that I confront.

01:17:17.040 People have called me for years. What do

01:17:19.060 I tell my daughter in college? If she

01:17:22.740 writes what she believes, she'll get a

01:17:24.580 very low grade. And if she, if she goes

01:17:28.960 along with the professor's views, she'll

01:17:31.420 get a, she'll get an A or whatever. So

01:17:35.260 I'll tell you my answer, but I fully

01:17:37.840 understand the dilemma. My answer is to

01:17:42.000 tell her that I would tell my child, look,

01:17:44.480 if you compromise on what you believe for a

01:17:46.920 grade, what won't you compromise on your

01:17:50.360 beliefs for? So I, I, I believe that

01:17:55.160 people need to fight. I have a saying, the

01:17:58.560 good people are divided into three groups.

01:18:01.400 Those who fight, those who help the

01:18:03.500 fighters and those who do nothing. Those

01:18:06.440 who do nothing are the biggest of the

01:18:08.580 three groups. And those who help the

01:18:11.360 fighters are as valuable as those who

01:18:13.920 fight. I'm a fighter, but the people who

01:18:16.740 help me and help PragerU and so on, they

01:18:20.880 are just as valuable as, as my fighting, but

01:18:24.460 you get, you get one life. And, uh, I, I don't

01:18:30.640 believe that I want to die having played it

01:18:34.780 safe by the number of Americans and others

01:18:39.180 who died for Liberty. Number of Americans

01:18:42.220 who died for America died, not, not, not

01:18:46.820 got ostracized from Facebook died is very

01:18:50.080 large. So what am I prepared to do to

01:18:54.020 sacrifice for Liberty? That's a question

01:18:56.420 people need to ask. It is clearly a time

01:19:00.060 where sacrifice is needed. It's too bad

01:19:02.380 that it is, but that is, that is the way

01:19:05.460 it is in the United States at this time.

01:19:08.740 Well said. Dennis Prager, thank you so

01:19:11.940 much. I hope you'll come back. I would be

01:19:14.060 delighted. Thank you so much. All the

01:19:16.900 best. Wow. He's so articulate. He, he

01:19:20.580 nailed it, didn't he? Like he, he put

01:19:22.700 into words what I think a lot of us have

01:19:24.980 been feeling, except much more

01:19:27.340 articulately. I don't know. I don't know

01:19:30.040 about you, but I feel a little dejected

01:19:32.560 by the challenge ahead, but also just as

01:19:35.760 inspired to fight. I, you know, it's

01:19:38.220 funny because my assistant was telling

01:19:39.360 me that some people, Abby, you guys are

01:19:41.580 getting to know her now, but she was

01:19:42.700 telling me that one of her friends

01:19:43.600 texted her, um, did Megan's Twitter get

01:19:46.320 hacked? Cause I was just going off

01:19:48.340 yesterday. I was on a tear and no, my, my

01:19:50.960 Twitter did not get hacked. It is me. It

01:19:52.620 is all me. And I I'm ready to fight. I'm, I'm

01:19:55.040 done with the bullshit. I really am. I'm

01:19:56.800 done. I'm done on my own behalf and I'm

01:19:58.460 done on your behalf. And people who

01:20:00.440 don't like that don't have to follow me

01:20:02.160 on Twitter or here and people who do

01:20:03.940 can and should, because I got you. I

01:20:06.740 totally got you. And I hope you're in

01:20:08.160 it with me. Um, listen, my thanks to

01:20:11.100 Dennis Prager, the brilliant Dennis

01:20:13.100 Prager and to Clay Travis, such a

01:20:15.280 thoughtful guy fighting his own battles

01:20:17.020 in the world of sports, which he stands

01:20:19.280 alone. Outkick stands alone. Um, before

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 09, 2020

Election Aftermath, with Clay Travis and Dennis Prager ｜ Ep. 22

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