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00:00:31.120 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.140 Merrick Garland in the hot seat yesterday before the Senate Judiciary Committee

00:00:51.600 and his testimony was a scandalous outrage.

00:00:55.060 That's where we're beginning this show.

00:00:57.520 Michael Knowles will be here in one minute to react.

00:01:00.180 Asked repeatedly about whether he will now withdraw his memo

00:01:03.740 threatening to investigate and potentially prosecute parents

00:01:07.420 whose behavior he does not like at school board meetings,

00:01:11.760 Merrick Garland refused, saying threats of violence and violence are fair game for the DOJ.

00:01:18.380 Wrong, sir. Wrong.

00:01:20.020 Which we will get to in one minute.

00:01:21.480 Remember the history here.

00:01:23.720 The National School Boards Association wrote a letter to the White House

00:01:26.840 complaining about loud parents whom they suggested might be treated as criminals and domestic terrorists

00:01:33.140 after many failed to comply with various protocols at school board meetings.

00:01:37.700 Parents understandably upset about CRT lesson plans shaming children for their race,

00:01:45.000 about radical trans ideology being shoved down the throats of children as young as single digits,

00:01:50.840 mask mandates everywhere despite the CDC's own comprehensive study of 90,000 children showing they do nothing,

00:01:58.940 vaccine mandates for children irrespective of medical risks,

00:02:03.040 X-rated books in school libraries that literally celebrate child rape, and on and on it goes.

00:02:10.260 So, yes, parents are especially concerned right now, and to their credit, they're voicing it.

00:02:16.040 Well, after that National School Boards Association letter, which we now know was coordinated in advance

00:02:22.500 with a White House that is clearly cognizant of the political damage these clips of angry parents

00:02:28.140 could do to the president and Democrats nationwide, the DOJ immediately set to work,

00:02:33.840 affirmatively declaring, without investigating at all, that, quote,

00:02:39.900 there has been a disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation, and threats of violence against school board administrators,

00:02:48.980 board members, teachers, and staff.

00:02:50.740 Yes, they are the victims here.

00:02:53.620 Attorney General Merrick Garland warned parents nationwide that he would, quote,

00:02:57.160 use the DOJ's authority and resources to discourage these threats,

00:03:01.780 identify them, and prosecute them when appropriate.

00:03:05.980 In other words, he'll sick the FBI on you if you get out of line.

00:03:09.600 That was October 4th.

00:03:11.380 Since then, outrage has spread across this country and across political lines.

00:03:16.640 A recent poll showed only 19% of Americans support the FBI monitoring and investigating parents in this way.

00:03:24.460 Some 57% oppose, including the vast majority of Republicans and 63% of independents.

00:03:30.740 Ultimately, school boards began bailing from the NSBA,

00:03:35.200 and the group was forced to apologize for its incendiary letter and withdraw it,

00:03:40.020 leading to demands that Attorney General Garland,

00:03:43.160 who again admitted that the DOJ's involvement was based on that NSBA letter, stand down.

00:03:48.980 Yesterday, he refused.

00:03:51.440 What does the National Security Division have to do with parents at school boards?

00:03:54.860 This is not, again, about parents at school boards.

00:03:58.020 This is about threats of violence.

00:03:59.940 Okay, let me turn to that, because you've said that phrase repeatedly throughout the morning.

00:04:04.620 Threats or violence and threats of violence.

00:04:07.160 Violence and threats of violence.

00:04:08.520 They said that they were facing violence and threats of violence,

00:04:11.460 and when I saw on the news media reports,

00:04:14.260 this memorandum is aimed at violence and threats of violence.

00:04:18.320 Violence and threats of violence.

00:04:19.840 Violence and threats of violence.

00:04:21.200 That's why he got involved.

00:04:23.020 First of all, this is a misrepresentation of what the NSBA alleged in its letter.

00:04:28.360 The NSBA cited 26 alleged problematic incidents that it said warranted the DOJ's attention,

00:04:34.460 the vast majority of which involved items like parents refusing to put masks on

00:04:38.940 or cede their microphones when ordered to do so,

00:04:41.780 not threats of violence, nor any incidents of actual violence,

00:04:45.600 as Mr. Garland now falsely claims.

00:04:48.240 The only real allegation of this kind had to do with what happened in Loudoun County, Virginia,

00:04:54.540 when the cops decided to arrest Scott Smith, a man we now know was upset because his superintendent

00:05:01.280 was there lying about there never having been a rape in a school bathroom

00:05:05.480 when Mr. Smith's ninth grade daughter had just been raped a week or two earlier,

00:05:09.680 a crime for which the defendant boy has now been convicted.

00:05:13.240 Other than that, there was one incident of alleged threats in Worthington, New York,

00:05:20.060 in which a letter sent to the board there said, quote,

00:05:23.120 we are coming after you and all the members of the board.

00:05:26.580 You all should be tried for treason, end quote.

00:05:30.380 This is not the stuff of federal law enforcement.

00:05:34.780 For one thing, it's not illegal.

00:05:36.840 For another, it is not within the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice.

00:05:40.360 As Merrick Garland well knows, the DOJ cannot investigate or prosecute parents for alleged

00:05:46.480 threats, threats of violence, or as he claimed in his October 4th letter, quote,

00:05:53.040 efforts to intimidate individuals based on their point of view, are free speech, protected

00:05:59.800 by the Constitution.

00:06:00.660 Incitement is speech that law enforcement can potentially attack as unlawful, but the bar

00:06:08.780 for that is extremely high.

00:06:12.580 In America, you are allowed to say things like, I could kill you, or you should be afraid,

00:06:18.380 or we are coming after you.

00:06:20.860 The law recognizes that in the vast majority of those cases, those are expressions of upset

00:06:26.880 that are not legally actionable.

00:06:30.220 In order to cross a legal line, the speech must, one, unambiguously, two, call for the

00:06:38.220 use of force, three, that the speaker clearly intends, four, under circumstances in which the

00:06:45.860 likelihood of violence is both real and imminent.

00:06:50.680 Not even arguably the case here.

00:06:55.580 And there's no allegation that any of these alleged threats were ever acted upon.

00:07:01.440 Same goes for Garland's other focus in his statement, efforts to intimidate someone's

00:07:06.520 point of view.

00:07:07.660 By the way, that's what he's doing.

00:07:09.980 That's protected by the First Amendment as well.

00:07:12.640 Even if any of the examples at issue here rose to the level of, quote, incitement, the DOJ

00:07:18.640 would have no business inserting itself.

00:07:20.640 None.

00:07:21.680 The feds have no general police power.

00:07:24.060 That is left to the states and local authorities.

00:07:27.160 Even an actual attack on a school board member or a parent at a meeting would be handled by

00:07:32.440 the local cops, not the FBI.

00:07:35.260 That is what happened in Loudoun County, though Scott Smith did nothing wrong.

00:07:39.500 Former prosecutor Andy McCarthy recently had a column in National Review outlining all of

00:07:45.000 this and pointing out that this is an incredibly politicized DOJ, just like the one under the

00:07:51.280 Obama-Biden administration, which is Andy Nodes, quote, made the process the penalty.

00:07:57.660 The investigation process, coupled with the threat of federal criminality, you're going

00:08:02.280 to have the FBI in your business.

00:08:04.140 That's the deterrent.

00:08:06.200 How the case comes out is irrelevant.

00:08:07.940 They did it with the IRS scandal, threatening conservative groups with the loss of their

00:08:13.420 tax-exempt status, with the threatened takeovers of police departments that Ben A.G.

00:08:18.540 Eric Holder deemed problematic, with the Dear Colleague letter they used to scare universities

00:08:24.360 into eliminating due process for young men accused of sexual assault, and on and on.

00:08:30.700 The end result is to silence and control those who could undermine this president's agenda.

00:08:36.780 And that is why Merrick Garland is standing by his threats of investigation and prosecution.

00:08:43.960 He doesn't want to punish lawbreakers.

00:08:46.500 He and his pals at the White House want to stop the debate altogether.

00:08:51.260 Joining me now, Michael Knowles, the host of The Michael Knowles Show on The Daily Wire,

00:08:55.260 and we are going to cover it all.

00:08:56.760 Michael, thank you so much for being here.

00:08:58.740 Great to be with you, Megan.

00:08:59.820 Thanks for having me.

00:09:00.460 It was incredibly outrageous and disingenuous of that A.G. yesterday to keep looking at those

00:09:06.240 lawmakers and act like this is about the violence and threats of violence that these school board

00:09:12.160 members are receiving.

00:09:13.880 Totally untrue and unfounded.

00:09:16.800 This is thuggish behavior.

00:09:19.000 This is mob behavior.

00:09:20.500 Merrick Garland is like a meek, mild-mannered, diminutive Al Capone in the way that he's speaking.

00:09:26.820 One, there's the corruption.

00:09:28.900 The corruption is that Merrick Garland's son-in-law runs a company that peddles critical race theory

00:09:34.120 in school.

00:09:34.740 So there's a huge conflict of interest here.

00:09:36.880 Senator Cruz absolutely nailed Garland on this point.

00:09:40.040 He said, did you ask for an ethics opinion?

00:09:42.140 You clearly have a conflict of interest.

00:09:44.080 Garland refused to answer the question because he knows that Cruz had him dead to rights.

00:09:48.560 But then even more thuggish, you have the only threat, the only real threat in this entire

00:09:54.500 scenario is the threat coming from the DOJ.

00:09:57.300 And the threat is, if you speak out in any way, if you question the radical racial and

00:10:03.940 sexual theories that are being peddled in these schools, we're going to come after you.

00:10:07.840 Just as you said, Megan, the FBI is going to come knock on your door.

00:10:11.440 The DOJ is going to call you a domestic terrorist.

00:10:14.460 And so this is now beyond the scope of politics.

00:10:17.160 It's actually the difference between political debate and what is sometimes called the regime,

00:10:23.540 the things that are off limits.

00:10:25.660 Sure, we can debate raising taxes or lowering taxes, right?

00:10:30.140 That's up for arms.

00:10:31.220 But we are not permitted any longer to debate the radical racial and sexual theories in schools.

00:10:37.240 And if you do, the DOJ is going to investigate you and possibly prosecute you.

00:10:41.240 Yes, the White House has weaponized the DOJ against parents who have every right to speak

00:10:48.760 out about what is being done to their children.

00:10:52.140 It's outrageous.

00:10:53.760 And let's just spend a minute on the conflict of interest that Merrick Garland has in this.

00:10:58.120 So his son-in-law, the man married to Merrick Garland's daughter, has a company that pushes

00:11:04.420 CRT in schools.

00:11:06.420 Our research says his company made $27 million last year doing exactly this, getting CRT programs

00:11:15.140 shoved into these schools.

00:11:16.580 That, folks, importantly, is very much part of what those parents are complaining about

00:11:22.580 and are arguing about, and all those incendiary clips that Merrick Garland is so upset about.

00:11:28.280 So it's very much an issue here.

00:11:30.440 Ted Cruz, as you point out, goes after Merrick Garland, pushing him on, did you run that by

00:11:35.840 the ethics group within the DOJ?

00:11:38.480 Did you have somebody advise you on this before you decided to start threatening those parents

00:11:44.240 speaking out about programs like your son's?

00:11:47.540 Here's that exchange.

00:11:48.980 Did you seek an ethics opinion?

00:11:50.720 Judge, you know how to ask questions and answer them.

00:11:52.720 Did you seek an ethics opinion?

00:11:53.940 You asked me whether I sought an ethics opinion about something that would have a predictable

00:11:58.100 effect on something.

00:11:59.360 This has no predictable effect in the way that you're talking about.

00:12:02.240 So if critical race theory is taught in more schools, does your son-in-law make more money?

00:12:05.840 M.O. has nothing.

00:12:06.640 If critical race theory is taught in more schools, does your son-in-law make more money?

00:12:10.180 Yes or no?

00:12:10.900 This memorandum has nothing to do with critical race theory or any other kind of curriculum.

00:12:16.020 Will you answer if you sought an ethics opinion?

00:12:17.480 I am answering the best I can.

00:12:19.200 Yes or no?

00:12:19.820 Did you seek an ethics opinion?

00:12:21.360 This memorandum has nothing.

00:12:22.800 Did you seek an ethics opinion?

00:12:25.600 He wouldn't answer yes or no.

00:12:28.140 This memorandum has nothing to do with that.

00:12:31.260 We'll be the judge of that.

00:12:32.500 We will be the judge.

00:12:33.620 What's happened is you've threatened the parents who are objecting to the programs your son-in-law

00:12:39.220 is making millions off of.

00:12:41.460 It absolutely does have to do with that.

00:12:44.340 And let me just tell you, Michael, because I looked it up.

00:12:46.520 I went and actually looked up the ethics requirements.

00:12:49.880 And I didn't even look at the ones for a judge, which he is.

00:12:51.900 So now he's AG.

00:12:52.800 So we'll go with that.

00:12:53.540 At the Department of Justice, every employee of the DOJ, including Merrick Garland, one,

00:12:58.940 shall endeavor to avoid any actions or creating the appearance that they are violating the

00:13:07.100 ethical standards set forth in this section.

00:13:11.180 OK, you can't even have the appearance that you're violating one of the ethical standards

00:13:15.380 here.

00:13:15.880 And here is one of the many ethical standards that applies to him under misuse of official

00:13:20.600 position.

00:13:21.040 You may not use your public office for the gain of persons with which you are associated

00:13:29.360 personally.

00:13:31.100 So if there is even an appearance that that Merrick Garland letter threatening parents

00:13:36.640 was potentially advantageous financially to his son, not only did he need an ethics opinion,

00:13:43.000 he knew right off the bat he shouldn't do it.

00:13:45.540 He had no business doing it.

00:13:47.120 The fact that not more is being made out of this by the mainstream press is yet another

00:13:51.980 disgrace.

00:13:52.880 Well, after that exchange, I was tempted to call the DOJ myself to report a murder because

00:13:57.640 I think Senator Cruz absolutely nailed him.

00:14:00.640 And you can tell Merrick Garland is a pretty clever politician because he won't answer the

00:14:04.740 question.

00:14:05.320 It's a very simple question.

00:14:06.680 Senator Cruz was not asking him, is this an ethics violation?

00:14:09.760 Do you think this rises to that?

00:14:11.220 The question was simply, did you ask for an opinion or not?

00:14:14.600 And Garland didn't do it.

00:14:16.140 He certainly should have, but that's beside the point.

00:14:18.260 He didn't do it and he doesn't want to give him the answer.

00:14:20.580 As you point out quite aptly, Megan, this is not some small little company.

00:14:25.840 It's not some mom and pop shop that the mom and pop CRT shop that is going into one or

00:14:30.640 two schools.

00:14:31.280 This is a company that's bringing in tens of millions of dollars.

00:14:35.000 So this kind of national policy is going to have an effect on the company.

00:14:40.200 But then the layers of deception go even deeper because I don't know about you, Megan, I'm

00:14:45.160 old enough to remember, oh, two months ago when the left in this country and the elected

00:14:52.040 Democrat officials told us that critical race theory is not being taught in schools.

00:14:56.620 Do you remember that?

00:14:57.700 Critical race theory is simply being taught in certain law schools.

00:15:01.740 It has nothing to do with K through 12.

00:15:03.880 You people are delusional.

00:15:05.080 Now what we're being told is critical race theory absolutely is being taught in schools

00:15:09.240 and it's a very good thing.

00:15:10.920 And actually the government should enforce it and stop people from questioning that being

00:15:15.140 taught in schools.

00:15:16.040 So it's a complete moving of the goalposts.

00:15:18.900 I think that Republicans are right over and conservatives and even just ordinary moderate

00:15:23.520 people are right over the target here.

00:15:25.580 They're sick of it.

00:15:26.240 They don't like it.

00:15:27.000 And the left is getting desperate.

00:15:29.140 The entire basis for Merrick Garland injecting himself into this situation has evaporated.

00:15:35.380 The school boards group is falling apart day by day.

00:15:39.060 More and more school boards across the country are withdrawing from this group for getting

00:15:42.300 so overtly political.

00:15:43.940 And you can see in that poll the reason why 57 percent of Americans are against this.

00:15:48.260 They don't want the DOJ or the FBI investigating parents who are upset for understandable reasons.

00:15:53.800 And so the school board association letter has fallen apart.

00:15:57.100 They've withdrawn withdrawn it.

00:15:58.560 They've apologized for it.

00:15:59.720 And yet that was the basis for Merrick Garland getting involved.

00:16:04.860 There was no independent investigation.

00:16:07.740 Yesterday when questioned, Merrick Garland said, well, I was responding not just to the

00:16:13.560 letter, but public reports of violence and threats of violence.

00:16:18.420 Jim Jordan, Jim Jordan asked him about this last week.

00:16:22.960 Let me see.

00:16:23.500 I think we've got that soundbite.

00:16:24.620 Listen, it's number three.

00:16:26.220 Great first sentence.

00:16:26.960 You said in recent months there's been a disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation, threats

00:16:30.400 of violence.

00:16:31.220 Yes.

00:16:31.500 When did you first review the data showing this so-called disturbing uptick?

00:16:35.660 So I read the letter and we have been seeing over time threats.

00:16:40.540 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:16:41.200 I didn't ask you.

00:16:41.900 So you read the letter.

00:16:42.880 That's that's your source.

00:16:45.180 Yeah.

00:16:45.700 He said yes.

00:16:46.380 And then his addendum was and the newspapers, the news.

00:16:50.540 So when he says yesterday, oh, public report, also public reports of violence, he's talking

00:16:54.580 about the damn news.

00:16:56.200 So what news was that?

00:16:57.440 Slate?

00:16:58.280 Huffington Post?

00:16:59.640 MSNBC?

00:17:00.080 Because you would think that the National School Board Association would have the best

00:17:04.560 evidence possible.

00:17:05.400 And I already walked the audience through the fact that of the 20 plus examples in there,

00:17:09.860 the vast majority were about people not wearing masks or seating their mics.

00:17:14.200 There was one, one alleged incidence of violence.

00:17:17.520 It involves Scott Smith.

00:17:18.960 He got arrested because when a woman questioned whether his daughter was in fact raped, he called

00:17:24.360 her a bitch and then the police put their hands on him in a scuffle between Smith and

00:17:28.700 the police ensued.

00:17:29.960 That's the only alleged violence.

00:17:32.400 Merrick Garland is making this up.

00:17:35.220 Of course.

00:17:36.120 And by the way, if if Scott Smith were brought to trial for this, if he were put in front

00:17:40.960 of a jury and the jury were told what happened, what led up to that incident, not a jury in

00:17:47.040 the land would convict him because the real story here and it's another story that Merrick

00:17:51.060 Garland doesn't want to talk about.

00:17:52.780 And it's a story coincidentally that the Daily Wire happened to break because the mainstream

00:17:56.280 media didn't didn't want to investigate it is that this girl was raped by a man who wears

00:18:03.360 girls clothing in the girls bathroom and the school covered it up and they covered it up

00:18:08.020 because it raises questions about their radical transgender policy questions that now parents

00:18:13.140 not just in Loudoun County, but around the country are asking.

00:18:16.460 In the case of Scott Smith, he had this horrible personal experience with his own daughter, but

00:18:21.760 parents around the country are absolutely right to question this.

00:18:25.660 And what we are what we're seeing play out in real time is a cover up.

00:18:29.420 One new piece of information on that and two thoughts.

00:18:31.860 They are now reporting.

00:18:33.920 I think it was in The Washington Post that this young rape victim was assaulted by a boy she

00:18:41.400 knew and that she, according to The Washington Post, had voluntarily met up with in the bathroom

00:18:46.580 two times prior for some sort of fooling around.

00:18:49.280 The third time is when they met.

00:18:52.140 She didn't wish to fool around and he did forcibly rape her as he's now been found guilty of doing

00:18:57.520 people.

00:18:58.360 It's disgusting to me because now you've got some in the left wing press trying to diminish

00:19:02.340 this claim of rape because two times prior she had been with him voluntarily.

00:19:06.400 Hello.

00:19:07.180 Hello.

00:19:07.480 That's not how it works, as the left damn well knows.

00:19:10.560 Number two, they're sort of saying, well, the fact that he had a skirt on is irrelevant

00:19:14.880 since she had met him voluntarily twice before and he was her boyfriend.

00:19:18.740 That's it's not about whether this kid's transgender or not.

00:19:21.540 It's about why did he put the skirt on as far?

00:19:24.600 It could be because he didn't want anybody to bother him when he was going into the girls

00:19:27.600 room for this intro.

00:19:28.920 I have no idea.

00:19:29.860 But the point is not really so much about whether trans people are going into the bathroom

00:19:34.340 or not.

00:19:36.000 The point is that there had been a rape inside of the school bathroom two weeks earlier,

00:19:39.740 and this superintendent stood up and told everyone not to worry about the transgender

00:19:44.320 policy because these bathrooms are safe and they're not.

00:19:48.140 A rape had just been committed by a guy wearing a skirt.

00:19:50.640 I don't really give a damn what his motivation was.

00:19:52.760 And he went on to rape again, according to the authorities.

00:19:55.480 The refusal to acknowledge facts and to downplay the genuine concerns of parents in these circumstances,

00:20:04.180 Michael, I think is what's driving things like the now dead heat between McAuliffe and

00:20:08.120 Youngkin in Virginia.

00:20:09.940 Yes.

00:20:10.320 Well, I think that you've hit on it.

00:20:11.840 This is the really important part of the story, which is not whether the kid is transgender

00:20:15.860 or whatever crazy gender he thinks that he is.

00:20:18.600 It's about the schools protecting the transgender policy.

00:20:22.340 So right now, the media are actually victim blaming because they're saying because this

00:20:27.300 girl had had a relationship with this guy before and she explicitly said, I do not want

00:20:31.620 to perform this particular act.

00:20:33.000 I don't want to do this.

00:20:33.960 And then he violently raped her.

00:20:35.580 They're saying, oh, well, basically she was asking for it.

00:20:37.940 But the schools here, regardless of the motivations for the incident or even the particulars

00:20:42.780 of it, why do you think the schools covered it up?

00:20:45.020 Obviously, they're covering it up because there's this controversial policy and the action has

00:20:50.720 a certain association with that policy.

00:20:53.380 And it might throw the gubernatorial race in Virginia.

00:20:56.520 You're 100 percent right.

00:20:57.940 That's the reason that they covered it up, because this policy was under debate and their

00:21:02.940 sort of woke ideology didn't want them, didn't allow them to offer any facts that might be

00:21:08.900 used by the other side.

00:21:10.720 That's how they see this.

00:21:11.780 They're not thinking about the rights of children, young girls to be safe.

00:21:16.380 And this guy was a predator because he went on to the very next school and did it again,

00:21:20.640 according to the authorities there.

00:21:22.380 And by the way, they didn't tell the new school that he had just been arrested for doing this

00:21:28.200 to a girl in his previous school.

00:21:29.700 So parents' rights are out the window, as are children's rights.

00:21:33.320 And by the way, now, today, there's a report about a woman seeing a Homeland Security vehicle

00:21:41.980 and officials out in front of her school.

00:21:44.100 So Merrick Garland means what he says.

00:21:46.160 The feds are not backing off.

00:21:47.880 We're going to pick it up there and also get into the latest COVID madness.

00:21:52.620 Now your kid, as young as five, has said, you know, he can get a vaccination, right?

00:21:57.980 But already we're seeing reports of schools mandating it.

00:22:02.180 What?

00:22:03.260 It's not.

00:22:03.800 It's still emergency use.

00:22:05.700 And by the way, even the officials behind the, you know, thumbs up on this thing are

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00:22:51.140 Joining me today, Michael Knowles, the host of the Michael Knowles show on The Daily Wire,

00:22:56.200 which I love.

00:22:57.680 You're young.

00:22:58.540 You're a whippersnapper.

00:22:59.520 I think you're only 31 years old.

00:23:00.720 Am I right?

00:23:01.140 31?

00:23:01.980 A lady never tells, but yes, 31 years old.

00:23:04.340 I was listening to you the other day and you were like, I was in middle school 19 years

00:23:09.200 ago and they were already pushing all this crazy indoctrination identity politics.

00:23:13.860 I was in high school 13 years ago.

00:23:15.860 I was like, oh my God.

00:23:18.300 But anyway, you were wise beyond your years.

00:23:20.080 Went to Yale, did a bunch of stuff.

00:23:21.480 Whenever I listen to you, I feel intellectually enriched, hence my fandom.

00:23:25.600 So let's talk about how this is manifesting now still.

00:23:28.460 So before you think this woman's nuts, she actually posted a picture to her social media

00:23:36.120 on Twitter of a Homeland Security car stationed outside of her school, Fairfax, Virginia.

00:23:42.120 Look, there it is.

00:23:43.060 This is Fairfax, Virginia, the very jurisdiction we're talking about with Loudoun County Schools.

00:23:49.140 If memory serves, I live down there.

00:23:50.800 I'm pretty sure it's the same county.

00:23:52.180 She's a mother of six.

00:23:53.340 Her name is Stacey Lanton.

00:23:54.340 And she led the charge to remove sexually explicit books from the school libraries.

00:23:58.560 And again, I just want the audience to know we're not talking about like, I don't know,

00:24:02.500 they had an interlude and she lost her virginity.

00:24:04.520 And wow, it was amazing.

00:24:05.600 That's that's fair game.

00:24:07.300 I mean, by 2021 standards, that's everywhere.

00:24:09.340 Nobody's really complaining about that.

00:24:11.140 I'm we played the soundbite like glorifying the rape of children, pedophilia, glorifying

00:24:18.720 talking about like man boy rape like it's totally normal and something everybody does.

00:24:24.180 It's dangerous stuff.

00:24:26.040 Anyway, she led the charge to remove these books from their school libraries.

00:24:30.040 And she says she's seen federal law enforcement flying helicopters and stationing cop cars outside

00:24:35.540 of a school board meeting in Virginia meant to intimidate parents, she believes that picture

00:24:39.860 of a Homeland Security car stationed outside the school.

00:24:43.040 She claims there was a heavy federal law enforcement presence just days after she and others protested

00:24:46.820 outside the DOJ.

00:24:48.200 She says she has received death threats in response to the protest.

00:24:51.880 She's got threats against her children by name.

00:24:53.780 I'm sure Merrick Garland is on it.

00:24:56.080 I'm sure that's the kind of threat he's definitely going to look into, Michael.

00:24:59.860 I would not necessarily hold your breath for that.

00:25:03.300 Frankly, with all of the political realignments now, I'm finding myself on the side of defund

00:25:08.400 the police.

00:25:09.220 If funding the police means that DHS is going to come kick in my door because I don't think

00:25:14.000 we should have explicit pedophilic porn in the classroom, then then I guess we ought to

00:25:19.020 defund them.

00:25:19.720 But the way we got here is, I think, because conservatives in this country fell for a trap.

00:25:26.820 They fell for a trap in the 1960s and 70s, and it's really only grown since then, which

00:25:31.420 is the ideology of openness in the classroom.

00:25:35.020 We've been told that the most important thing students can learn is to be open-minded, so open-minded

00:25:40.540 that their brains fall out.

00:25:42.000 And so how dare you say we shouldn't have porn in the classroom?

00:25:45.320 How dare you say that we shouldn't have radical racial theories in the classroom?

00:25:49.260 Students just need to be exposed to everything.

00:25:51.780 But the fact is that's not true.

00:25:53.560 That's never been true in any educational institution.

00:25:56.860 Actually, the modern conservative movement began with a book by William F. Buckley Jr.

00:26:01.320 making fun of this idea of academic freedom and openness.

00:26:05.220 And so when you look at something like porn in the classroom, that does not help a kid's

00:26:10.720 education.

00:26:11.300 That actually harms a kid's education because it arouses all the lusts and the appetites

00:26:15.520 and the base passions.

00:26:16.620 And the whole point of liberal education is to tamp that down and become a free person.

00:26:20.300 When you look at critical race theory, that doesn't help a kid's education.

00:26:23.940 It hurts it.

00:26:24.800 It undermines the basic ideas of our government and our civics.

00:26:29.040 In some cases, it undermines the idea that there's objective truth itself.

00:26:32.980 So you've got to get that out of there.

00:26:34.320 And I think if we really want to fight back against this, we need to take a lesson from

00:26:38.700 the left, OK?

00:26:39.440 The left is really good at banning things.

00:26:42.160 Right now, you can read porn in the classroom.

00:26:44.400 But the only book you can't read in the classroom is the Bible.

00:26:46.960 The Supreme Court told us that the most important book ever written is the one thing you can't

00:26:50.560 teach kids in class.

00:26:51.780 So I think what we need to do is go back in there and reimpose some standards.

00:26:56.120 And this is what parents are doing all around the country.

00:26:58.760 They're saying, hold on, you're telling me I'm going to send my kid to an institution for

00:27:02.100 eight hours a day for, what, 12, 13 years, more than that now, because there's pre-K and

00:27:07.460 then many more people are going to college.

00:27:09.320 So you're telling me I've got to send my kid to your institution for most of his life.

00:27:13.860 And I don't have any say in what he learns there, the way he's brought up spiritually,

00:27:18.860 physically, intellectually, and all of the above.

00:27:21.020 I don't think so.

00:27:22.020 If parents don't have the right to educate their kids, then they don't have any parental

00:27:25.960 rights at all.

00:27:26.580 So you've got, as we mentioned before the break, this very fight leading to a dead heat

00:27:33.200 in the Virginia gubernatorial race, which is now being seen as potential bellwether on

00:27:38.460 where our politics are as a nation.

00:27:40.480 Biden won the state by 10 points.

00:27:42.000 This should be an easy win for the Democrat McAuliffe, who's already been governor of Virginia.

00:27:46.700 He's going to take over for governor, either blackface or KKK wearing hood guy, Ralph Northam.

00:27:52.880 I mean, his biggest sin is what he wants to do babies once they've been born on the on

00:27:56.140 the operating table.

00:27:56.880 But that's who Ralph Northam is.

00:28:00.420 So you'd think a state that would put him in office would easily put Terry McAuliffe back

00:28:04.360 in office as the Dem.

00:28:05.960 But it's now down to a dead heat when he was leading by, I think, seven points about 10

00:28:10.480 days ago.

00:28:11.140 And it's because of this issue, education.

00:28:13.320 He's to see a Democrat having having to beg for votes on education, defend themselves on

00:28:19.980 education. He's gotten Barack Obama down there, Joe Biden down there.

00:28:23.600 I think Kamala Harris has been down there.

00:28:25.520 He knows he's in trouble.

00:28:27.320 He even danced on the stage, which is something he promised he would never do.

00:28:31.160 He's so desperate as he to hold on to what was once a lead.

00:28:35.540 And now the line that the Dems are using on him, Youngkin, who's a moderate Republican,

00:28:41.240 you can't win as a far right guy and Republican these days, is as follows.

00:28:46.240 This is soundbite number eight.

00:28:47.480 Listen to how they're now trying to dismiss Glenn Youngkin.

00:28:50.920 Extremism can come in many forms, can come in the rage of a mob driven to assault the

00:28:59.260 Capitol.

00:28:59.860 It can come in a smile and a fleece vest.

00:29:06.000 Either way, the big lie is still a big lie.

00:29:11.200 So, yeah, extremism can come in a fleece vest with a smile.

00:29:15.320 It can come in the form of, you know, somebody in his late 70s who doesn't seem to be paying

00:29:19.880 attention or able to express his thoughts a lot, too.

00:29:23.180 Joe Biden makes a good point here, actually, not about Glenn Youngkin.

00:29:25.720 Glenn Youngkin is completely milquetoast.

00:29:27.440 He's about as moderate as they get.

00:29:28.760 So I and he's run an excellent campaign and he obviously should be the next governor of

00:29:33.660 Virginia.

00:29:34.540 But but what the left often does is project.

00:29:37.320 They they accuse their opponents of things that are true of them.

00:29:40.140 And nowhere is it clearer that extremism can come in a vest with a nice, quiet voice than

00:29:45.900 with Joe Biden.

00:29:46.860 Joe Biden ran as the moderate candidate.

00:29:49.320 He was a return to normalcy.

00:29:51.300 And what are we getting from Joe Biden?

00:29:53.140 We're getting a massive expansion of the government.

00:29:55.140 We're getting radical gender and racial theories everywhere.

00:29:58.020 We're getting the IRS looking into everyone's bank accounts if they've got more than 600

00:30:01.320 bucks in there.

00:30:02.100 We're getting a push to get rid of the Hyde Amendment abortion on demand up until the moment

00:30:07.200 of birth.

00:30:07.800 This is by far we're getting, I mean, radical transgender theory from the State Department

00:30:11.880 and everywhere else.

00:30:12.900 This is the most radical administration we've ever seen in this country.

00:30:16.120 And it's not because Joe Biden is a Bolshevik.

00:30:18.480 It's because his party is is in that direction.

00:30:21.820 And he is that merely the the moderate, modest facade that's covering up a really radical

00:30:27.260 edifice.

00:30:27.700 Same thing with Merrick Garland.

00:30:29.080 Merrick Garland was supposed to be the moderate judicial.

00:30:31.600 He was going to be the moderate attorney general.

00:30:33.980 What is he?

00:30:34.460 He's the most radical AG we've had since.

00:30:36.420 Oh, I don't know.

00:30:37.300 The Obama administration.

00:30:38.720 Yes, I don't think we have it.

00:30:40.740 But Tom Cotton was going off about how I am so glad that you said, thank God you're not

00:30:46.600 in the Supreme Court.

00:30:47.420 And as I saw this attorney general sitting there trying to do, oh, we do have it.

00:30:51.080 Oh, stand by.

00:30:51.600 Listen, here's Tom Cotton here.

00:30:53.680 This testimony, your directive, your performance is shameful.

00:30:56.700 That's not.

00:30:57.500 Thank God you are not on the Supreme Court.

00:30:59.560 You should resign in disgrace, judge.

00:31:02.680 You should resign in disgrace.

00:31:04.420 Listen, if that's his understanding of the law, that you can just willy nilly start going

00:31:08.340 into school boards and monitoring parents and then sticking the FBI on them and and prosecuting

00:31:13.700 them for threats or expressing opposition to a point of view.

00:31:18.660 Bullshit.

00:31:19.220 He should go.

00:31:19.780 He should resign in disgrace.

00:31:20.900 And we are lucky he's not on SCOTUS.

00:31:23.280 Absolutely.

00:31:24.020 You look at Merrick Garland and you look at Joe Biden and the scariest part of it is that

00:31:29.640 they're not the radical leftists.

00:31:31.580 They're the center.

00:31:32.560 It just so happens that the center has moved radically to the left.

00:31:37.060 And it's not just rock ribbed Republicans who are recognizing that now.

00:31:40.220 It's a lot of ordinary people.

00:31:41.720 And so what they're trying to do in this race in Virginia is is turn Glenn Youngkin into

00:31:45.960 an avatar for Donald Trump.

00:31:47.560 Donald Trump, who you might recall, does not currently hold any office.

00:31:51.360 Even MSNBC called them out for this the other day.

00:31:53.540 They said, you've got to run on something other than the old bad orange man is is really,

00:31:58.140 really bad.

00:31:59.080 And if you look on the issues and that's what they're really doing in Virginia, the Democrats

00:32:03.800 are underwater on every single issue.

00:32:06.060 There was one issue that Joe Biden was holding on to, and that was covid.

00:32:09.800 He was a little bit above water on covid that has collapsed as well.

00:32:13.540 So they're completely bereft of ideas.

00:32:15.580 They've got no accomplishments they can run on.

00:32:17.660 And the best they can do is scaremonger about a nice guy wearing a fleece vest.

00:32:22.840 So Trump is promising, threatening, suggesting he might go to Virginia.

00:32:27.900 Uh, the vote is on Tuesday and I saw so many Republicans, including MAGA loving Republicans

00:32:34.680 say, no, no, no, no.

00:32:38.460 For the very reason you just said, it sort of plays right into the hands of Terry McAuliffe,

00:32:44.000 who's been saying Youngkin is a is a Trump accolade and he's not.

00:32:48.480 However, nobody gets out the vote.

00:32:50.540 Well, on both sides like Donald Trump.

00:32:52.680 So your thoughts on whether he should go, I love Trump.

00:32:56.100 I voted for him in 2016 and 2020 and 2020, despite him having made some decisions that

00:33:02.080 I didn't agree with, I said that I would crawl over broken glass to vote for the guy.

00:33:05.740 And I still support Donald Trump.

00:33:08.200 However, there is a very important rule in politics.

00:33:11.320 It's called the Buckley rule.

00:33:12.720 The Buckley rule is that you support the most right, viable candidate.

00:33:17.740 Glenn Youngkin is not a Trump Republican.

00:33:20.160 I sort of wish he were more of a Trump Republican because I am much to the right of Glenn Youngkin.

00:33:24.660 I'm more conservative than he is.

00:33:26.760 But a Trump style Republican would not have a chance in this election in Virginia.

00:33:32.300 A Trump style Republican would not have a chance in California.

00:33:35.520 You sort of saw that happen during the recall race or the recall that didn't actually happen

00:33:40.500 in California.

00:33:41.660 And so it would seem to me much more prudent to focus on the schools, focus on the issues

00:33:47.780 that are winning right now in Virginia.

00:33:50.520 There will be plenty of time to push lots of good conservative policy afterward.

00:33:55.080 But first, we've got to win the seat because the winners go and make laws and the losers go home.

00:33:59.440 Mm hmm.

00:34:00.580 Now you've got this at the school board issue, which has gotten Virginia voters so fired up,

00:34:06.400 understandably, and national voters as well, because it Virginia is just one example.

00:34:10.160 I mean, we could we could go through state by state and talk about the school board meetings

00:34:13.400 and who's next to get cracked down upon.

00:34:15.700 And in or in that vein, let's talk about Minnesota.

00:34:21.140 All right.

00:34:21.380 Minnesota.

00:34:21.900 That's where Abby's from.

00:34:22.860 Minnesota is not crazy left.

00:34:24.220 It's a little left, but it's not crazy left.

00:34:27.100 It's not it's not exactly like, you know, New York or Vermont.

00:34:31.780 So Minnesota, Minnesota school board now is ordering parents to announce their home addresses

00:34:37.440 before they can speak at these public meetings.

00:34:42.040 This while some of them are being threatened.

00:34:44.420 And here is a soundbite reflecting that demand.

00:34:48.320 Watch.

00:34:48.960 I want to remind everyone this is a business meeting of the school board.

00:34:53.080 It is not a meeting that belongs to the public.

00:34:56.280 Each speaker is asked to state his or her name and address for the record.

00:35:00.300 Failure to do so will result in an individual not being allowed to speak.

00:35:04.500 John, can you give us your name and address, please?

00:35:06.240 My name is John Wickland.

00:35:07.460 I live in Mankato.

00:35:08.500 Could I get your address, please, John?

00:35:10.500 I'd rather not, since you guys don't give your address.

00:35:13.740 Yes, you can't speak.

00:35:16.440 And I get so much property damage and eggs and everything else from fun people and their

00:35:23.100 friends.

00:35:24.440 John, you need to give your address.

00:35:26.200 I live on Fifth Street.

00:35:27.860 Excuse me?

00:35:28.640 I live on Fifth Street.

00:35:30.380 House number?

00:35:31.040 Oh, my gosh.

00:35:36.000 It's infuriating.

00:35:38.280 I mean, oh, Jodi Sapp, the chairwoman of the Mankato school board.

00:35:42.740 That's her basically harassing this poor dad.

00:35:46.460 I mean, can you what number?

00:35:49.440 Screw her.

00:35:50.300 I'm sorry, Michael.

00:35:51.040 This is like it makes me so mad.

00:35:52.760 Well, this is how they operate, though.

00:35:55.580 They operate through intimidation, in this case, doxing someone.

00:35:59.220 I suppose the purpose of asking for the address is to make sure that you're in the district.

00:36:03.540 But there was no question that that was the case here.

00:36:06.820 They did this a number of years ago in New York on the gun issue.

00:36:11.220 One of the newspapers decided to publish the addresses of people who owned guns.

00:36:16.300 What possibly could be the purpose of that is are they I can't even think of a reasonable

00:36:22.500 answer other than to get people to go and harass them or to get law enforcement to go

00:36:27.120 and harass these people or to show burglars exactly where they should go to go get the

00:36:31.240 goods.

00:36:31.660 And it's so ugly.

00:36:33.460 We started out the show talking about how thuggish things have become.

00:36:37.740 That's what this is.

00:36:38.800 This is like a local little mob boss sitting there at the school board meeting.

00:36:42.780 And, you know, I'm sorry that that parent gave the address because I would have three

00:36:48.820 words for that person.

00:36:49.860 And that would be those words would be very similar to let's go, Brandon.

00:36:54.600 That's right.

00:36:55.140 And we're both Catholics.

00:36:55.920 So for us to go that way, you know, I got a mouth like a sailor, as my audience knows.

00:37:00.820 I found that truly outrageous.

00:37:02.620 I mean, our audience would never do anything to that guy, but some people might.

00:37:07.200 And it's the same reason I will do Jody the favor of not releasing her public address

00:37:11.720 because these issues are really charged.

00:37:15.080 And it's one thing to make sure the parent lives within the jurisdiction, right?

00:37:18.420 Like has the right to be there protesting.

00:37:20.320 Same way as like you need to need to be in the jurisdiction you're going to vote in.

00:37:24.100 This is quite another.

00:37:25.100 By the way, when the New York Times did that or when they when they published the

00:37:27.900 addresses of the names of the people owning guns, I remember lamenting.

00:37:34.340 I was a crime victim at the time.

00:37:35.980 I had a bad stalker and I was mad because most you're not really allowed to have a gun in

00:37:41.120 New York.

00:37:41.460 You have to go through all these extra steps to prove that you're under threat of your

00:37:44.920 celebrity.

00:37:45.400 And I could have done that.

00:37:46.280 I mean, I could have.

00:37:47.300 But it was new and I didn't want.

00:37:48.860 Anyway, the point is, I was mad.

00:37:50.220 I was basically identified to my stalker as not having a gun, you know, back then.

00:37:54.640 I'll just leave it at that.

00:37:56.720 So, yeah, the school board thing is infuriating and it's not getting any better.

00:37:59.860 And it's amazing to me because the Democrats don't seem to be reading the polls well.

00:38:03.560 Like once that the school board association took down that letter, they should have said,

00:38:07.440 oh, thank God, this is our this is our ability to get off the hook for a very stupid decision.

00:38:11.320 They're doubling down.

00:38:12.540 And not just on that, Michael, they're doubling down on covid policy because not only did the

00:38:17.260 news break yesterday that now that they're approving the vaccine for five to 11 year olds.

00:38:22.080 But I mean, my phone lit up with friends in New York who had immediately gotten notifications

00:38:27.480 from their schools.

00:38:28.700 It's mandated.

00:38:29.660 I mean, it's like it was like approved on an emergency basis two seconds ago.

00:38:35.940 And now, unless I stick it in my five year old's arm, we're out.

00:38:39.860 That's where we're picking it up right after this quick break.

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00:39:17.880 OK, so COVID, I want to get this right.

00:39:26.380 An FDA panel of 17 people has unanimously advised the FDA to recommend that they regulate or that

00:39:34.740 they authorize the Pfizer vaccine for five to 11 year olds.

00:39:38.360 So it hasn't officially been authorized even on an emergency use basis yet, but it's coming.

00:39:45.180 It was a unanimous recommendation.

00:39:46.580 So it's basically just as soon as they do it.

00:39:49.060 And that's where my friends were picking up their schools in New York already sending out

00:39:53.820 notices saying as soon as the FDA gives us a thumbs up, it's mandatory and you have no choice.

00:39:59.380 And more and more, we're seeing state after state.

00:40:01.180 They're eliminating medical and or religious exemptions.

00:40:06.800 I mean, you can't raise a medical or religious exemption, you know, objection to sticking

00:40:13.460 your five year old with this vaccine.

00:40:16.040 So on this one, though, Michael, it's interesting to me because it's not just, you know, and

00:40:21.260 I'm not anti-vax at all.

00:40:22.460 I've gotten the vaccine.

00:40:23.200 It's not just people like me who are questioning the mandates.

00:40:26.220 It's even people who have been pushing mandates when it comes to adults.

00:40:30.980 People like Lena Nguyen on CNN.

00:40:33.860 They use her all the time.

00:40:35.160 She loves vaccines and she loves mandates.

00:40:37.860 Not this one.

00:40:38.960 Listen, I think it's way too early for us to be talking about mandates in this age group.

00:40:43.200 So far, we have an important study, but the study by Pfizer is just over 2000 kids.

00:40:48.500 I think the right next step is to have the parents who really want to get their kids vaccinated

00:40:53.120 to allow them to do that.

00:40:55.020 Let's collect some more information.

00:40:56.560 And then if we have more information, including about what it is that vaccines can replace,

00:41:02.160 for example, can vaccines replace the need for masks in schools?

00:41:05.960 Can vaccines help to prevent outbreaks and then stop the need for quarantining and having

00:41:10.580 kids not be in school?

00:41:12.620 Then maybe then we can have a conversation about mandates.

00:41:15.820 But we're a long way off from that.

00:41:17.860 Oh, Lena, speak to the New York City schools.

00:41:21.020 I mean, will they listen to her?

00:41:23.580 They don't listen to, you know, any doctor they perceive is fair and balanced.

00:41:27.860 Will they listen to her?

00:41:29.620 When a former head of Planned Parenthood and CNN contributor is the voice of reason,

00:41:35.200 you know that you are through the looking glass.

00:41:37.940 And it's not just her.

00:41:38.800 There is an epidemiologist at Yale, Harvey Reich, who's who's just come out and said that

00:41:43.740 if he were forced to vaccinate his children, he would pull his children out of school.

00:41:49.200 He would homeschool children.

00:41:50.860 Why is that?

00:41:51.440 You mentioned those medical and religious exemptions, which are becoming harder and harder to get.

00:41:55.920 Let's not forget, there are plenty of good reasons not to get the vaccine.

00:42:00.400 I'm not telling people not to get the vaccine.

00:42:02.640 Plenty of good reasons to get the vaccine.

00:42:04.640 But there are plenty of good reasons to avoid it as well.

00:42:06.880 We know that there are some risks.

00:42:08.620 We know that women in particular died of blood clots.

00:42:12.040 And that's why they paused the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

00:42:14.360 We know that there have been cases of myocarditis and pericarditis.

00:42:17.100 There was a study out of UC Davis, which suggested that some young men could actually face greater

00:42:22.180 risk from the vaccine than from the virus itself.

00:42:25.520 We know that there are risks of nerve damage.

00:42:27.400 All of this has been acknowledged by the FDA and the CDC.

00:42:30.540 We know that there are moral objections.

00:42:32.840 All of the vaccines were at least developed with, and in some cases also produced with,

00:42:37.500 stem cells from aborted babies.

00:42:39.520 They were tested on, they were tested on clones of stem cells.

00:42:44.720 And that is problematic if you are a Catholic like you or I am, or a Christian.

00:42:49.180 They don't want stem cells involved in this process at all.

00:42:52.640 Right.

00:42:53.160 That's right.

00:42:53.640 And so, you know, you've got plenty of reasons to object to this sort of thing.

00:42:58.340 And the government will not permit that.

00:43:00.460 You've got plenty of scientific, expert, genius, exalted scientific voices saying perhaps we

00:43:06.520 should use some caution here, especially when you look at the infection fatality rate, especially

00:43:11.100 for young people.

00:43:12.520 The infection fatality rate is basically zero.

00:43:15.420 It is infinitesimally small for very young people, for older people, for people with comorbidities,

00:43:21.120 then it might be higher.

00:43:22.240 And it's a different calculation there.

00:43:24.120 So the question that a lot of people have is, given the extraordinarily low risk of hospitalization

00:43:30.680 or death from the virus in kids, is there any risk in taking the vaccine?

00:43:35.180 And although this FDA panel voted unanimously to approve the vaccine for kids, one of the

00:43:41.380 members of the panel came out when asked about the safety of it, and he said the only way

00:43:45.540 to know if it's safe is to test it on the kids.

00:43:48.260 We have that.

00:43:49.460 That's Dr. Eric Rubin of Harvard.

00:43:52.140 This is straight from the panel that's deciding whether this is safe for our kids.

00:43:57.360 This is not some, you know, nobody.

00:43:59.740 This guy's on the team that's deciding.

00:44:02.720 And here's Dr. Eric Rubin of Harvard.

00:44:04.960 We're never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it.

00:44:09.480 That's just the way it goes.

00:44:11.760 Great.

00:44:12.200 Your kid first.

00:44:13.420 Go for it, Dr. Rubin.

00:44:14.780 Do it.

00:44:15.440 I can't wait for your kids and the kids of all the people who are pro-vaccine mandates

00:44:20.340 for children to go first.

00:44:22.440 And we will sit back and we will wait and we will see what happens.

00:44:25.120 And if it turns out to be safe, then maybe we'll consider it.

00:44:27.560 But my kid's not going first.

00:44:29.040 And I'm not responding to any mandates saying he must be.

00:44:32.060 My question is, did these people run out of beagles?

00:44:35.160 I remember just a couple of days ago, we heard about all these awful animal experiments

00:44:38.960 from Dr. Fauci.

00:44:40.240 But now we're told that we're going to experiment on kids.

00:44:43.180 And it seems that, frankly, in some quarters, especially on the left, there's a greater

00:44:47.320 uproar about performing medical experiments on animals than there is on performing medical

00:44:52.380 experiments on little kids who face a very, very low risk from the virus.

00:44:56.900 And in the face of that, it's quite clear that Harvey Risha's advice from Yale is pretty

00:45:02.660 good advice, that you really shouldn't give in to this sort of thing.

00:45:05.980 This is not going to end.

00:45:07.960 Already you're seeing them move the goalposts on what fully vaccinated means.

00:45:11.680 Already they're moving the goalposts on exactly who needs to get the vaccine.

00:45:15.860 This kind of thing is never going to end.

00:45:17.500 And we are not a country, last I checked the Constitution, that is run by the whims of the

00:45:22.040 Dr. Fauci's of the world.

00:45:23.340 We still have a say in our political order.

00:45:25.540 We still have reason.

00:45:26.500 We still have judgment.

00:45:27.620 We should be able to exercise that and tell these people who are making the mandates to

00:45:32.440 go pound sand.

00:45:34.060 You know, our school, our private school in Connecticut, they brought in a Yale, I think

00:45:38.440 he was an epidemiologist specialist to talk to parents to like calm concerns because they

00:45:43.140 mandated the vaccine.

00:45:45.260 You'd get it or you get expelled at our school as of age 16 or up because for that group, it's

00:45:51.580 been, quote, permanently approved or so they believe.

00:45:54.600 Um, so they brought in, um, this guy from Yale to talk to us about how, how safe it is, you

00:46:01.300 know, how it's an, it's a good idea and so on.

00:46:03.320 And then as you point out, you know, as it turns out, it's not entirely agreed upon by the

00:46:07.800 experts at Yale.

00:46:08.620 We have that soundbite of Dr. Harvey Rich, Rish, Rish, um, speaking to Mark Levin.

00:46:15.040 He's also at Yale.

00:46:16.220 And here's what he says.

00:46:17.220 If the child has chronic conditions that make their risk appreciable, then there's a reason

00:46:24.720 that they would, should be considered for vaccination.

00:46:27.700 Other than that, if it were my child, I would homeschool them.

00:46:32.600 Honestly, I would organize with other parents to take them out of the school and create homeschooling

00:46:38.100 environments.

00:46:38.700 There is no choice.

00:46:40.120 Your child's life is on the line.

00:46:41.860 It's not a high risk.

00:46:42.800 Vaccination is not a high risk that's going to kill every child by doing so.

00:46:47.360 However, it's enough of a risk that on the average, the benefit is higher for homeschooling

00:46:52.120 than it is for, for vaccination and being in school.

00:46:54.900 And that's just the bottom line.

00:46:56.480 So your, your message to parents as we close out the break.

00:47:00.800 My message to parents is to listen to Harvey Rish, to listen to people like Glenn Youngkin,

00:47:05.720 to listen to all of the other parents who are focusing on education.

00:47:08.960 That seems to be the through line in all of these issues.

00:47:12.260 Whether we're talking about COVID or CRT or gender theory or whatever.

00:47:16.420 And it's because education represents the future of the country.

00:47:20.400 That is why the left, that is why the people who are right now in power are so focused on

00:47:25.020 taking more and more of it, getting your kids in these schools for longer and staying there

00:47:29.340 longer and exerting more control over them while they're there and keeping parents further

00:47:33.280 and further away from that process.

00:47:35.400 This is a moment where I think there is a, a real critical mass to try to grab some of that

00:47:41.180 power back on the crystal ball of our country, which is our nation's classrooms.

00:47:45.000 This is an important moment.

00:47:46.380 It's an inflection moment.

00:47:47.520 Hold the line and don't give up.

00:47:49.200 Hold the line.

00:47:50.700 Michael Knowles.

00:47:51.460 What a pleasure.

00:47:52.100 Great to see you again.

00:47:54.760 Over in Chicago, it's the mayor versus the cops.

00:47:57.920 John Cass, one of my favorite journalists there.

00:47:59.820 He's amazing.

00:48:00.680 He's back to break it down.

00:48:01.680 Next.

00:48:08.080 My next guest is a Chicago legend.

00:48:10.940 John Cass worked as a syndicated columnist for the Chicago Tribune for 38 years.

00:48:15.300 He left a few months ago so he could write whatever the heck he wants to with no boss

00:48:19.880 looking over his shoulder.

00:48:21.800 And boy, does he.

00:48:22.820 He's now posting his columns on his website.

00:48:25.160 John Cass, K-A-S-S, news dot com.

00:48:28.380 John Cass, news dot com.

00:48:29.660 Please, please support him.

00:48:30.800 We need journalists like this.

00:48:32.960 He recently called Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot Chicago's little Napoleon in pants.

00:48:37.980 So you can see why he doesn't want a boss.

00:48:40.840 But he has been covering politics and lawlessness in Chicago, a city I also hold dear for a long

00:48:46.360 time.

00:48:46.940 And he's fighting mad right now about the mayor pushing her vaccine mandate on first responders

00:48:51.880 instead of being solely focused on the city's ever growing problem of crime.

00:48:57.140 And welcome back, John.

00:48:58.260 Great to see you.

00:48:59.640 Hi, Megan.

00:49:00.280 Thank you so much.

00:49:01.680 So I want to get into all of that, but I just want to pick it up where I left off with Michael

00:49:05.520 Knowles a minute ago.

00:49:06.500 We were talking about Merrick Garland and the DOJ and his refusal to withdraw his crazy

00:49:12.480 statement threatening parents with prosecution, even though the school board has withdrawn,

00:49:17.300 association has withdrawn its letter because you wrote a beautiful column recently about

00:49:25.040 the dangers here and how, as the DOJ continues to crack down, parents are scared.

00:49:32.420 You know, a lot of them, we should we highlight the ones who speak up, but a lot of them are

00:49:35.460 scared and it's getting harder and harder for parents to find the temerity to do it.

00:49:40.540 I mean, who wants to face a federal investigation?

00:49:43.780 No one wants the FBI at their doorstep.

00:49:46.300 And you write, this is how it begins in part.

00:49:50.960 The lanky man in Norman Rockwell's painting, Freedom of Speech, was produced in 1943 and

00:49:57.260 is part of the war effort.

00:49:59.280 Some on the left will dismiss it as propaganda.

00:50:01.920 Others might get that Norman Rockwell feeling, that craving for the glow of nostalgia that

00:50:06.540 encourages people to crave for what they think were simpler times.

00:50:10.380 But there wasn't anything simple about the time.

00:50:12.400 The world was at war and millions were being slaughtered.

00:50:15.600 And you went on to say, in the midst of all of this, all the chaos and the turmoil at that

00:50:22.240 time, early 1940s, while we were at war, the Rockwell painting was all America once, a man

00:50:30.920 standing up.

00:50:32.320 We allowed that once.

00:50:34.020 We welcomed Americans speaking their minds, even protesting without dropping the federal

00:50:38.720 hammer on them as if they were terrorists, without canceling them or harassing them.

00:50:42.400 At work or at home without killing their careers.

00:50:45.620 And you went on to highlight a woman who I'll let you talk about.

00:50:49.900 She, G Van Fleet, I think is her name, out of Loudoun County, Virginia, which you've been

00:50:55.260 watching from Chicago as well as we have from the Northeast.

00:50:59.780 So what was important to you about her situation and the country's situation behind this column?

00:51:06.080 Liberty, liberty, freedom, the ability to advocate for your own children with government now occupied

00:51:17.300 by the left, reaching ever increasingly into our lives and into the lives of our children.

00:51:24.900 And she showed great courage.

00:51:29.740 She had lived through the Cultural Revolution of China.

00:51:35.000 And I found her comments to be heroic and moving.

00:51:40.920 And as you can see, I think the entire country has picked up on this feeling.

00:51:46.560 Here is just a small sound by a Xi Van Fleet, Loudoun County parent, who had some thoughts

00:51:55.120 on what we're seeing in our country, having grown up in Mao's China.

00:51:58.840 We were taught to denounce our heritage.

00:52:02.020 The Red Guards destroy anything that is not communist, old statues, books, and anything

00:52:07.220 else.

00:52:08.500 We are also encouraged to report on each other, just like the student equity ambassador program

00:52:14.340 and the bias reporting system.

00:52:16.520 This is indeed the American version of the Chinese communist, the Chinese cultural revolution.

00:52:22.320 The critical race theory has its roots in cultural Marxism.

00:52:25.520 It should have no place in our schools.

00:52:28.840 Wow.

00:52:30.140 How can you argue with that, Megan?

00:52:32.100 It's a mom who lived through it.

00:52:34.420 And today, October 28th, back in 1940, it was the day of Oji.

00:52:42.100 No.

00:52:43.180 When Greece and my father and others there said no to fascism and would not allow the Italians

00:52:52.760 to come in.

00:52:54.300 And as a result, Greece was destroyed.

00:52:56.660 But they delayed that war, delayed the German advance into Russia by six or eight critical

00:53:07.980 weeks.

00:53:09.060 And I think we're at a point now where Americans have to understand.

00:53:14.680 They have to ask themselves, are we not like the bears in the woods?

00:53:24.860 I mean, if you get between a grizzly bear and her cubs, well, if you've seen Revenant or

00:53:34.920 any of those movies, you know what happens.

00:53:36.860 And I think that the people who've been pushing this, pushing the FBI, pushing Merrick Garland

00:53:46.640 to investigate parents as if they were domestic terrorists, and then now saying, oh, we're

00:53:53.660 sorry.

00:53:54.200 We didn't mean to.

00:53:55.560 It's too late for that.

00:53:56.700 People have seen the other side of your face, just like a playing card, like a jack.

00:54:03.740 And they've seen it, and they don't like it.

00:54:06.360 And I don't know what will happen on Tuesday or the, you know, in the Virginia election or

00:54:12.420 the rest of the political cycle.

00:54:16.200 Well, but I think that if parents care about their children, they won't care much about

00:54:22.600 their politics.

00:54:23.640 And like, like the bear, like the grizzly bear, they will, they will defend their cubs.

00:54:31.680 What I love about the piece is it captures even more than that, because it's, it's about

00:54:36.080 freedom.

00:54:37.240 It, yes, what's happening to our children is deeply wrong and has activated parents who were

00:54:43.940 never politically activated before.

00:54:46.820 But as you point out, it's about more, it's, it's also about cancel culture and harassing

00:54:53.360 parents and ruining careers and lives over speech we do not like, or a thought we might

00:55:01.240 not like, or, you know, a movie that's shown in the college classroom to celebrate something

00:55:07.580 like music that happens to have one offensive scene or what have you.

00:55:11.600 We used to do all those things because we're free to do them.

00:55:17.320 Then one would be free to express one's offense, but it wasn't the end of anyone.

00:55:23.060 Or we used to have something called comedy.

00:55:26.700 Remember where we could laugh?

00:55:28.680 They've taken comedy away.

00:55:30.700 They're taking David Chappelle and they're trying to break him.

00:55:35.220 I mean, what has happened to this country?

00:55:37.820 And I think it takes people like you, like me, those of us who've been through cancel

00:55:44.360 culture, uh, like I was, which is why I left the Chicago Tribune.

00:55:49.640 I didn't leave the Tribune as much as it left me.

00:55:52.960 And I'm happy now where I am writing what I want, but I think, uh, not everyone has, you

00:56:00.580 know, not everyone is Megyn Kelly or John Kess.

00:56:03.020 And they need these examples of people standing up and saying, no, no, or she, no, we're not

00:56:11.620 going to take it.

00:56:13.900 You write, um, we let that freedom wither from that Rockwell painting, 1943, Freedom of

00:56:21.260 Speech.

00:56:21.580 We let that freedom wither because so many are afraid to speak up.

00:56:25.000 We let it shrink away with our exhausted shrugs, but she, Van Fleet did not seem tired.

00:56:31.320 She did not shrug.

00:56:32.640 She was direct.

00:56:33.600 This mom who had seen it and lived it as a girl in communist China.

00:56:37.580 She had something on her mind.

00:56:39.480 She stood up like the man in the painting because she's an American with something to

00:56:45.300 say.

00:56:46.000 Oh, my audience guys, can't you see why I love this man?

00:56:49.040 He said like the way, the way with the word things is really moving.

00:56:52.260 And it's, it's why we're fighting, right?

00:56:55.140 It's why people drag them.

00:56:57.060 No one wants to poke the bear at the school board meeting.

00:57:00.140 You don't want to be that parent.

00:57:01.880 You want them to love your kid, especially I see it now.

00:57:04.880 We don't have kids in high school, but I, I talk to the parents who do.

00:57:08.340 They're worried about juniors, college propositions.

00:57:11.380 Exactly.

00:57:12.420 They need the school to work with them.

00:57:14.120 Megan, they lured that, uh, unidentified, unexplained fear.

00:57:21.320 They use it as leverage.

00:57:23.420 Oh, really?

00:57:24.320 You're going to open up your mouth, Megan Kelly?

00:57:26.740 Well, your child will need good grades and, you know, to get to college.

00:57:31.360 You know that it's there.

00:57:33.080 I mean, I'm from Chicago, Megan, where force and the democratic party has always been, you

00:57:40.220 know, they've always been twins.

00:57:42.640 One in the same.

00:57:44.380 Yeah.

00:57:45.000 It's a two by four across the back of the head when you're not looking to your business,

00:57:49.640 to yourself, to your children, to your family, to your life.

00:57:53.400 And sooner or later, I think as in Chicago, as in Virginia, as everywhere, there, there

00:58:01.800 comes a tipping point, you know, where you say, do I really, do I really want to, uh,

00:58:09.800 subscribe to this publication when they, when it's so woke or do I really want to live here

00:58:15.780 when they're harassing my kids?

00:58:18.500 Right.

00:58:19.580 Do, do I really want that?

00:58:20.960 And I think, uh, some people of course, with means have left for Florida, Tennessee, from

00:58:27.960 New York and Chicago, but others don't.

00:58:30.860 The average middle-class family doesn't have that kind of money.

00:58:35.180 So what do they do?

00:58:36.460 You put them in a corner, Megan, you put people in a corner with, and you take sharp sticks

00:58:41.980 and you jab them.

00:58:43.620 Well, some dogs will lie down and whimper, but some dogs won't.

00:58:49.580 And I, and I worry about the reaction to it because I think that this overreach by the

00:58:56.140 left is irresponsible and is driving people to a bad place.

00:59:03.120 And what we want is a country where we can all speak, where David Chapal can tell his jokes

00:59:08.740 and I can write my column and you can do your show.

00:59:11.820 And if you don't like it, okay, fine.

00:59:14.440 Tell me why you don't like it, but, but you're going to shut me down.

00:59:19.400 You're going to shut my kids down.

00:59:21.480 You're going to make me give my children vaccines that are experimental.

00:59:26.980 What are you, what is going on here?

00:59:29.340 And I have to take it.

00:59:30.760 I have to take it and pretend I like it.

00:59:34.080 Shut up and take it.

00:59:35.820 It's not in our nature.

00:59:38.320 It's not in our nature.

00:59:39.480 You know what I mean?

00:59:39.940 I just think at, at heart, we as Americans are used to that freedom.

00:59:43.760 It's been baked into most of our ways of life.

00:59:46.180 And that's why you see these angry parents at the school board meetings.

00:59:49.420 And the, and then you've got Barack Obama trying to save Terry McAuliffe's political

00:59:53.440 fortunes going down there saying, we don't need these phony culture wars.

00:59:56.760 We don't need phony culture wars.

00:59:58.780 Like what are you talking about?

01:00:00.860 Phony culture wars, phony culture war.

01:00:03.340 Hey, Barack, how did you buy that mansion in Kenwood?

01:00:07.520 And did Tony, did the bag man, Tony Resco help?

01:00:11.340 I mean, come on, cut it out.

01:00:13.420 I mean, I don't understand the, you know, we, these are politicians and they create myths

01:00:20.540 about themselves.

01:00:21.740 And unfortunately many in the media, uh, propagate the myth, but Barack Obama is just a guy who's

01:00:29.840 a phony from the beginning.

01:00:31.860 And, uh, I've, I've knew him back when he was a phony and when he became a God and stopped

01:00:38.400 the seas from rising.

01:00:40.380 Remember that nonsense?

01:00:41.520 I've stopped the seas for, you know, I knew him when he was, I knew him when he was hanging

01:00:46.160 out with Tony Resco, the convicted bag man.

01:00:49.060 So I'm not, uh, enamored of him or his temple of love and fealty that we're building a taxpayer

01:00:56.560 expense in Illinois.

01:00:58.820 But I just, I just want people to stop and think of that grizzly bear.

01:01:04.420 Think of that mother, that grizzly bear.

01:01:06.660 You stop, you cross the grizzly bears, cubs.

01:01:09.120 She's, she's not going to stop.

01:01:13.180 Reminds me.

01:01:14.020 We, uh, go out to Montana on vacation and, uh, we were pulling out, we were actually there

01:01:18.560 for the whole quarantine.

01:01:19.600 So it was months and, uh, we're leaving.

01:01:22.200 And the whole time when we got to the spring, my kids were like, where are the bears?

01:01:25.280 Cause there's grizzlies in two states, Alaska and Montana.

01:01:28.120 And the kids were like, where are the bears?

01:01:29.940 Where are the bears?

01:01:30.460 Where are the bears?

01:01:31.100 And we're finally pulling out of Montana to go to the airport.

01:01:34.120 It's our last day.

01:01:35.320 It's one of those 5am trips where it's still black outside.

01:01:39.120 And sure enough, we look up on the mountainside and there are three baby grizzlies.

01:01:45.020 We're like, Oh my God, there they are.

01:01:46.500 Everyone was so excited.

01:01:47.480 It was like, there, there, there.

01:01:48.860 Oh, as we stopped the van, we're looking, the windows come down.

01:01:53.180 We're like, Oh, and then it doesn't like, what the hell are we doing?

01:01:57.260 What are we, you know?

01:01:58.760 And you can't see the mama, which is a bad sign.

01:02:02.960 What if she can see you?

01:02:04.600 And finally we're like, we are, we got back to our senses and said, let's get the hell out

01:02:08.720 of here.

01:02:09.120 This van is going to be no match for a mama grizzly that is separated from her cubs.

01:02:14.980 I'm a fisherman.

01:02:16.120 And before I got married, before Betty and I got married 36 years ago, we went on a fishing

01:02:21.980 trip.

01:02:22.580 I wanted to see if she could handle it.

01:02:24.460 All right.

01:02:24.780 And so one day we didn't go get up, you know, at five o'clock in the morning, we were going

01:02:31.080 to take it easy and I'm sleeping late.

01:02:34.400 I can smell coffee and all I hear saying out from the cabin door is, Oh, they're so cute.

01:02:42.280 And the hair rose on the back of my neck and I got, you know, I, I got up as best I could

01:02:50.800 and took her to the other door.

01:02:53.440 Cause I was ready to run out the other door.

01:02:56.060 If she, if the mother came, yeah, it's fair, but you know what?

01:03:01.440 I think that this mother that you bring up, uh, see Van Fleet, the, the mother from Loudoun

01:03:08.040 County, Virginia, where, you know, I know a lot of people from Loudoun County.

01:03:12.280 So do you, these are mostly federal bureaucrats, senior bureaucrats, mostly I'd say liberal

01:03:20.200 in nature, or at least supportive of government, government, you know, government is the answer

01:03:25.920 people, not all, but some.

01:03:28.540 And, uh, you know, you gotta wonder if they're turning on the Democrats, then they have a problem.

01:03:34.820 So we'll see next week.

01:03:36.940 Well, and, and this is a sound, I didn't tell my team was going to be calling for this.

01:03:41.460 It's number six, but look at the anger as the Loudoun County parents there are going

01:03:47.280 after that superintendent who lied to them about the risk of sexual assault in the school,

01:03:53.740 in the bathrooms, the, the, to understand the description.

01:03:57.380 Yeah.

01:03:57.480 The girl was right.

01:03:58.040 Understanding the description you just gave, which I completely agree with you.

01:04:01.000 It leans left.

01:04:02.260 Um, the parents are not normally going to be, it's not, it's not MAGA country.

01:04:06.060 They wouldn't be out there, you know, screaming, but look at the anger now amongst those parents.

01:04:11.360 Let's watch.

01:04:12.820 You have failed our students.

01:04:15.080 Two young ladies were scarred forever.

01:04:17.540 You are clearly aware of the sexual assault at Stonebridge.

01:04:20.480 Her life has forever been effective.

01:04:22.780 I have lost almost all confidence I've had in this system that I have championed for so long.

01:04:30.680 I do not trust you to ensure the education or the safety of my daughter.

01:04:35.100 You people are disgusting.

01:04:36.600 Props to all the kids who called you out today.

01:04:38.580 Every last one of you resign.

01:04:41.220 Resign today.

01:04:42.620 We will not sit down, shut up, or back off.

01:04:45.500 Resign or be removed.

01:04:48.480 Shame on you.

01:04:49.220 Just resign, just like your bestie, Beth Bartz.

01:04:51.620 We love all.

01:04:52.660 We have gay, black, white, Indian in our family, and we are all rooting together for Virginia to put children's safety first.

01:05:02.120 Got a little chill there, John.

01:05:03.620 That actually made me feel something.

01:05:06.060 Yeah.

01:05:06.500 It tells me something.

01:05:09.500 You know, there's certain flashpoints.

01:05:13.000 And party doesn't mean it as anything.

01:05:15.880 And it's not about, you know, what tribe you're on.

01:05:19.480 You're in the tribe of parents.

01:05:21.540 Okay?

01:05:22.560 Parents don't like it.

01:05:23.860 And actually, I hope there's something that comes out of this other than just, you know, sending Terry McAuliffe to the ninth circle of hell where he belongs after what he said about parents in schools.

01:05:38.420 Right.

01:05:38.680 No right.

01:05:39.000 I hope that they're, yeah, like, don't get involved with, you know, we don't want to say what their children are.

01:05:43.460 We have no right.

01:05:44.160 Right.

01:05:44.680 I have no right.

01:05:45.860 Those are my kids.

01:05:47.160 Okay, bye.

01:05:47.600 But the, what I hope happens is that people realize that the schools and the education system, and I, I'm a father of a teacher and the husband of a teacher.

01:06:01.480 Okay?

01:06:01.940 I love teachers.

01:06:03.540 My cousins are teachers.

01:06:05.060 But the, the education crats who are, who are doing this, um, have lost their authority.

01:06:14.380 And the only way out for parents is real national school choice.

01:06:19.680 And in my column, I'm going to begin, uh, advocating for that even stronger than I have before.

01:06:26.020 Because it has to, because something to save, not only the, uh, Loudoun County, you know, it's one of the richest counties in the country, but also the poorest children in Chicago, in Cleveland, in D.C., wherever.

01:06:41.380 They need something else in, in education.

01:06:44.860 And the people that have led us to this have no, they have no standing as far as I'm concerned anymore.

01:06:52.680 The teachers, yes, but not the bureaucrats and that whole political structure.

01:06:58.660 Yeah.

01:06:59.080 I'm done listening to them.

01:07:00.820 The fact that that superintendent of that school, uh, in, in Virginia and Fairfax County still has his job in Loudoun County.

01:07:07.200 Sorry.

01:07:07.320 He lied.

01:07:08.340 How dare they not fire him?

01:07:10.860 How dare he even be allowed to resign?

01:07:12.720 He ought to be out on his ear yesterday.

01:07:15.740 How dare pundits join forces with, uh, that superintendent and condemn parents who are standing up for their children who had been raped?

01:07:30.600 How dare you?

01:07:32.620 But you know what?

01:07:33.440 We just go along with it.

01:07:34.500 And they make him the poster boy.

01:07:35.060 The poster boy for alleged threats or violence on school campuses, thus warranting the DOJ's investigation.

01:07:44.620 He's all they've got.

01:07:46.420 There's one incidence of alleged violence and it was with him and he hurt no one.

01:07:52.400 He was the one placed in cuffs by the cops because he got upset when that woman attacked his daughter's story.

01:07:58.480 That's it.

01:07:59.760 It was obviously a pretext.

01:08:01.840 They just want their nose in our business.

01:08:03.960 He's been used and abused.

01:08:05.920 The superintendent needs to go.

01:08:07.620 And I'm starting to think Merrick Garland needs to go, too, if he does not stand down in that memo, because he's not sorry.

01:08:13.780 In fact, he's doubling down on it and it cannot stand.

01:08:17.700 It was amazing that he did not.

01:08:19.900 But that's not the Merrick Garland that Barack Obama sold as the Supreme Court justice.

01:08:26.240 Right.

01:08:27.120 That's the Merrick Garland who's an apparatchik, who's going along when he knows better.

01:08:32.760 When he knows better.

01:08:34.940 To use and to pretend that I'm going to bring in the FBI and the Justice Department on parents, but really it's not a threat.

01:08:42.600 It's not a threat to free speech.

01:08:44.640 How stupid do you think we are, sir?

01:08:48.000 I mean, we're not chumbalones.

01:08:50.060 This is, you know, in Chicago, people treat us like chumbalones, the politicians.

01:08:54.520 But we're not.

01:08:55.380 Explain that term.

01:08:56.320 I read your column on that.

01:08:57.300 Explain that term.

01:08:58.640 Okay.

01:08:59.400 In years ago, in federal court, there was a cop, former cop who turned bad and became an enforcer for the mob,

01:09:09.160 was being interviewed on the witness stand about what he said on tape, where the mob boss was telling him,

01:09:17.500 we're going to get cattle prods and we're going to take care of these witnesses with cattle prods, right?

01:09:24.320 Right out of the movies.

01:09:25.520 This is Chinatown in Chicago.

01:09:27.900 So the cop kept nodding.

01:09:30.700 His name was Anthony Passiofumi, but his police name was Tony Doyle.

01:09:37.500 Well, that's how we were all here, right?

01:09:42.100 He probably had like a bar of Irish spring under his arm when he took the oath.

01:09:47.180 But anyway, so on the witness stand, he was asked, why did you agree to all this?

01:09:55.640 Why did you keep nodding your head to cattle prods and all this?

01:09:59.240 And he said, because I didn't want to look like no chumbalone, you know, idiot, stupid.

01:10:04.340 And hence the term chumbalone became, I just loved it.

01:10:11.620 I love it too.

01:10:12.680 Because the politician, political class, whether Chicago or Washington, name it, they think we're chumbalones and they treat us as such.

01:10:21.680 And because of what you're bringing up and what I'm trying to do and what Steve Van Fleet has done and the other parents is to say, we're not chumbalones.

01:10:33.700 We're Americans.

01:10:35.120 We're not going to take it anymore.

01:10:37.120 And we believe in freedom, which leads me to the war between Mayor Lightfoot and the cops.

01:10:45.940 That's we're going to pick it up right after this quick break.

01:10:48.480 More with John Cass coming up.

01:10:50.200 John, let's talk about your mayor in Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot and this push.

01:11:01.760 Now, she, like our mayor in New York, is pushing the mandates on everyone, the teachers, the cops and so on.

01:11:07.180 And the cops are pushing back.

01:11:09.380 They have not yet all gotten the vaccine.

01:11:12.600 They have not yet all reported their vaccine status, as she's requiring.

01:11:15.800 They say 71 percent have reported their vaccine status of those.

01:11:20.860 Eighty one percent say they're vaccinated.

01:11:23.380 So you've got a lot of cops now who aren't saying and presumably aren't vaccinated.

01:11:28.820 They say per Chicago FOP, more than thirty five hundred officers have so far declined to report their vaccination status.

01:11:37.240 That's a lot of cops.

01:11:38.820 So what's the plan?

01:11:39.700 Well, the plan is, I wish if I could have a magic wand, I'd I'd expect that media in Chicago, which is now totally woke, would examine what's really going on.

01:11:54.380 And they're not.

01:11:55.260 Which is all this, the attack on cops, the demonization of police, the you will do what I say, you know, whether they're they're not they're already vaccinated, whether they've already had COVID.

01:12:09.640 You know, they went out and had to work for the past year with no protection.

01:12:13.280 Just go out there, first responders, get COVID and struggle through all that is a distraction from the real issue in Chicago, which is crime, violent, violent crime.

01:12:28.000 And the and also the the Democratic Party, Lori Lightfoot endorsed Kim Foxx for reelection.

01:12:37.540 One of these George Soros back prosecutors, I wrote about her when I worked at the paper and that and quoted it was I wrote about her mentioning what other newspapers from The New York Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, HuffPol, name it, had mentioned that she took money from George Soros, two million dollars in campaign contributions.

01:13:04.460 And I got for my pains, I was defamed by the woke union at the Tribune and I left.

01:13:12.860 So you're not seeing any more of that in Chicago questioning Kim Foxx, Lori Lightfoot, their relationship, the permissiveness and the and the and the lawlessness.

01:13:26.980 All of it is a piece.

01:13:28.920 They're just ignoring it.

01:13:30.040 So the people of Chicago are angry, Megan, and the cops are angry.

01:13:35.700 They've had enough.

01:13:36.860 They were they were they were pushed around by Lori Lightfoot while she was giving benefits and money to the Chicago Teachers Union.

01:13:45.620 The cops went to work.

01:13:47.160 Right.

01:13:47.680 They had to put their hands on people with COVID.

01:13:50.280 Right.

01:13:50.560 They had to wrestle on the street with them.

01:13:52.840 They got COVID and got sick.

01:13:54.780 And the teachers union stayed at home while the kids stayed at home.

01:13:59.740 Oh, just to interject.

01:14:01.100 This is this reminds me of my very favorite video of the entire COVID shutdown, which was the Chicago teachers doing their dumbass interpretive dance, leaping through the air on camera.

01:14:12.760 Young, healthy teachers.

01:14:14.980 This is why we can't go.

01:14:16.320 We can't go back into the classroom because it's unsafe.

01:14:18.880 And this is a celebration of our bodies that we'd like to keep saying totally able bodied young people who refuse to teach the kids while the cops are out there dealing with the real criminals day by day.

01:14:27.820 And now the cops are villainized.

01:14:29.140 Sorry.

01:14:29.440 It just brought back a memory.

01:14:30.660 No, no, no.

01:14:31.220 35 years ago, 36 years ago, I fell in love with Betty Ann Castiglia, a beautiful Sicilian dancer.

01:14:38.520 And she stole my wife today and she hated, she hated, she's a dancer and choreographer and she hated that, you know, she was just sick of it.

01:14:47.760 Wasn't it ridiculous?

01:14:48.620 It was embarrassing.

01:14:50.860 But so much of the woke nonsense is embarrassing.

01:14:55.280 It is, you know, look, you could go, okay, in Chicago, you could, you could go to the, you could go to the store and get, you know, a half pound of American cheese.

01:15:08.220 And these poor deli workers had to be there because they were essential workers, right?

01:15:13.080 But the teachers weren't essential.

01:15:15.160 I guess they sat at home, you know, while the kids were falling behind in school.

01:15:22.660 It's just the whole thing.

01:15:24.760 So it's a capitulation.

01:15:26.680 Public order has been broken by, by special interest politics, by people like Lori Lightfoot who endorsed Kim Fox.

01:15:37.380 I used to support Lori.

01:15:39.280 And when she did that, we were done.

01:15:42.480 And that's where we are now.

01:15:43.980 So she needs to beat up on the cops to distract from the fact that carjackings are up like what?

01:15:53.020 500 percent.

01:15:54.140 What is it?

01:15:55.200 Homicides, 700 homicides.

01:15:57.820 Shootings, we're at 4,000 shootings.

01:16:00.300 Kids are getting shot every day.

01:16:01.720 But, you know, let's, let's go wag our fingers at those coppers.

01:16:07.180 Yeah, they're the problem.

01:16:08.760 Many of whom, cops and firefighters and paramedics have already had COVID.

01:16:12.760 Right.

01:16:12.880 So they, I'm not a scientist, but I keep hearing if you had it, your, your immune system is, you know, it's better than if you got the vaccine.

01:16:23.400 I guess.

01:16:23.880 I don't know.

01:16:24.160 It can be.

01:16:25.180 No, I mean, we, we talked about a study in the Lancet showing that six months after your second Pfizer jab, you only have 47 percent protection against the against COVID.

01:16:32.680 And if you had a strong case of COVID, you know, four months ago, you're way more protected, according to that, than you'd be if you were in the status of somebody like me, six months post the second jab.

01:16:44.180 She, so, so one of the problems that we have with Kim Fox, and it's under this mayor's watch, is she doesn't have much interest in prosecuting crime whatsoever.

01:16:53.160 This is the one who let Jussie Smollett go, though she was, ultimately the charges were brought by somebody else and he's facing that now.

01:16:58.900 But she, like, when I was reading your columns about what's gone on with her dropping charges after charges, she won't prosecute shoplifting cases.

01:17:10.260 She keeps dropping felony murder cases.

01:17:13.240 And then you talked about, there was a street, deadly street gang battle, five suspects, all around video.

01:17:23.320 And what did she do?

01:17:24.820 Drop it.

01:17:25.760 Walk.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:27.620 Mutual combatants.

01:17:28.600 So I guess the theory of mutual combatants is if you're shooting each other, that will, no, no blood of innocence, no foul or something, but innocence get killed.

01:17:39.440 There was a woman driving home from the White Sox game back when the White Sox were playing before they got run out of the playoffs.

01:17:48.560 She was in the, on the Dan Ryan expressway driving to the suburbs.

01:17:53.040 She got caught in the middle of gunfire to get rival gangs.

01:17:57.840 She's dead.

01:17:58.460 She's dead.

01:17:59.160 No charges.

01:18:00.300 They had, they had the, the shot spotter found the car and the, they thought they had the driver, but no, no charges.

01:18:08.940 No charges, Kim Fox.

01:18:10.120 And see, it comes to the point, like what you mentioned on the permissiveness, like what you mentioned, Michigan Avenue, the crown jewel of shopping in Chicago.

01:18:22.740 I can attest to that.

01:18:24.220 Right.

01:18:24.820 I mean, that's where you used to go.

01:18:26.700 That's where I wouldn't be dragged to, to, to, you know, drop a few money that I didn't have for, because she likes something, you know, like, uh, I don't know what.

01:18:38.700 Great stuff.

01:18:39.700 Marshall Fields, Bloomingdale's there, all your favorite stores, McMile, they call it.

01:18:44.040 Beautiful lace, uh, lace dresses from Burberry.

01:18:47.400 Yeah.

01:18:47.580 All that.

01:18:48.520 And now you can't go.

01:18:51.640 I mean, you can, but the police have issued a warning to patrons.

01:18:57.840 If you go on Michigan Avenue, just came out a week ago, you go on Michigan Avenue, you could be robbed because the robberies are continuing.

01:19:06.140 So Kim Fox does not want to, uh, prosecute shoplifters because in her mind, they're all Jean Valjean and they're just stealing a loaf of bread.

01:19:17.020 I was going to say, what if like I shoplifted, do you think she'd come for me?

01:19:19.640 Guess what?

01:19:20.660 If I shop, if you and I shoplifted, if we hit Burberry and shoplifted, I don't think we'd get away with it, but.

01:19:27.060 Be a fun experiment.

01:19:27.740 We'll have Abby videotape it with under her trench coat, her Burberry trench.

01:19:32.480 But it's not only, it's not only the fact that they're not prosecuting those people, uh, the, the perpetrators.

01:19:39.760 It's that if you're down there, like if my wife was down there and there was a gang of shoplifters coming in, you know, say she's at a, uh,

01:19:49.640 you know, boutique on, on, uh, Oak street and a gang of shoplifters come in, grabbing everything and run out.

01:19:56.760 I don't think that shoppers are willing to go back to a place like that.

01:20:02.580 So it's like the poor shopkeeper loses money, the loses business, the city loses business, but you know what they, they, they save, they save their cred, their, their, you know, their progressive credit.

01:20:18.860 How's George Soros sleeping at night?

01:20:21.700 Does he have any, any concerns about crime shoplifters, gangs?

01:20:26.740 I think he's pretty good, even though he's, he's endangered an entire city and beyond.

01:20:31.600 But it's not only, it's not only Soros in, and again, I tell you this as I wrote about it and they came after me and tried to defame me, my own paper, my own colleagues, not the, not management, but the, my colleagues.

01:20:46.760 So I left, but it's not only in Chicago, it's in San Francisco, it's in Philadelphia.

01:20:53.300 It's everywhere, everywhere Soros has reached out and spent money to put in people in prosecutorial jobs who are not, I guess you wouldn't call them law and order types.

01:21:10.440 No, the opposite.

01:21:11.660 And you're, and you know what, I don't want to see people sent to prison who aren't, who are innocent.

01:21:17.360 I don't want to see somebody sent to, kept in jail for a nonviolent crime, but there comes a tipping point and the tipping point is happening.

01:21:28.340 It's happening.

01:21:29.460 Like we talked about with, on education, it's happening in urban, suburban America right now.

01:21:37.260 And you, are you reading about it in the local newspapers?

01:21:42.040 Well, here's what's, here's what's crazy here in New York.

01:21:44.640 We just were joined by a woman named Maude Marin, who's running for city council and she's a lifelong Democrat.

01:21:51.820 And she spoke up against some of this crazy CRT stuff and the racial indoctrination, lifelong public defender.

01:22:00.400 Okay.

01:22:00.920 So she's the one who you get assigned to when you get arrested, perhaps wrongly, you're indigent, whatever.

01:22:06.020 You just can't afford a lawyer.

01:22:07.480 And the other public defenders came for her guns blazing after she wrote an op-ed speaking out about, about CRT and said, she's a racist bigot for writing that.

01:22:17.920 She's a white woman.

01:22:19.000 She lost her job as a public defender.

01:22:22.160 So it's like, okay, so you can't arrest the criminals.

01:22:24.320 And then when they, when they go and they do get arrested and they go through the system, you can't, you're, now we're going to go down on public defenders because anybody who hasn't said only woke thing has got, things have got, has got to go.

01:22:35.560 Um, and the public is the one that winds up paying.

01:22:39.280 And, but it's not just the thought of you and me doing a fun, fake shoplifting experiment.

01:22:44.420 You write about the case.

01:22:45.740 I'm not going to fake it.

01:22:46.680 I'm going to do it for real.

01:22:47.880 Yeah.

01:22:48.160 Why not?

01:22:48.500 I mean, I like Burberry.

01:22:49.220 I want to see Kim Fox arrest me.

01:22:51.980 Yeah.

01:22:52.100 One time when I was very young and new, newly had money, um, I decided I needed a, an umbrella from Burberry and I bought, I got it.

01:22:59.740 It was one of the things I got it to the cash register and they told me how much it was.

01:23:02.900 And I was too embarrassed to take it back.

01:23:04.500 You know, you ever been there and you're like, I'll just return it later.

01:23:07.160 Especially when you're young.

01:23:08.080 Anyway, it was a $200 umbrella.

01:23:12.780 I know Abby's shaking her head.

01:23:13.900 I know.

01:23:14.640 And I was like, how can you charge $200 for an umbrella?

01:23:17.200 They were like, we will replace it in perpetuity.

01:23:20.560 I'm like, what, what does that mean?

01:23:21.940 So like, if I lose it, you'll just keep giving me new ones.

01:23:25.200 Like that's a real honor system there.

01:23:26.740 What if I just give one to, and they're like, no, no, no.

01:23:28.840 If any of its parts break, we'll just keep, I'm like, this is the biggest scam I have ever fallen for.

01:23:35.060 But it's like Alan Edmund's shoes, but those are, those are a good deal.

01:23:39.500 You know?

01:23:39.920 So yes, I don't have Alan Edmund.

01:23:41.740 That's a man thing.

01:23:42.920 It's a man thing.

01:23:43.900 I don't want to mansplain you.

01:23:45.960 Yeah.

01:23:46.120 No, you got, I can't see your legs.

01:23:48.600 You got to be sitting with the knees apart.

01:23:50.740 Sorry, no, I sit properly.

01:23:53.600 Can we talk about, can we talk about what Steve Krakauer, he's in my ear.

01:23:57.560 What did you say?

01:23:58.400 No, that's manspreading.

01:23:59.720 Sorry, I guess I'm confused.

01:24:01.000 You can mansplain while you manspread.

01:24:03.500 I shall do neither as a guest on Megyn Kelly.

01:24:07.080 Let me tell you something, because I do want to get back to Chicago crime first.

01:24:10.160 But just as a footnote, in New York City, we're having the same problem between our mayor and

01:24:13.580 our cops, among others, first responders.

01:24:15.440 About 30% of them are not going to get the vaccine, or so they say.

01:24:18.560 He's trying to make them, or otherwise they're going home without pay.

01:24:22.040 And this is the latest.

01:24:24.280 The police commissioner was asked how the NYPD would handle a potential drop in staffers

01:24:30.200 if the vaccination numbers don't increase.

01:24:32.360 37% are still unvaccinated.

01:24:35.580 And police commissioner, quote, would not say how they're going to handle that.

01:24:41.360 Oh, well, that's a problem.

01:24:43.780 They've done it in the past by ordering cops to work 12-hour shifts as opposed to their

01:24:47.560 regular eight-hour tours.

01:24:49.220 Sure, why don't we just dump more stress?

01:24:50.740 Let's just dump more stress on the cops who have had a totally stress-free couple of years.

01:24:55.060 I think that's a great advertisement for Marco Island, for Naples, for Tennessee, you know,

01:25:02.940 for wherever, you know.

01:25:04.200 And the same thing here in Chicago.

01:25:06.700 People, I keep saying, people vote with their feet.

01:25:11.280 They vote with their feet, and you're going to see it.

01:25:14.120 It's happening now.

01:25:15.580 Look out of Michigan Avenue.

01:25:16.720 Look at the north, in Chicago, the near north side was a high-end, high-end condos, you know,

01:25:25.760 million-dollar condos.

01:25:27.500 People are dumping out of them.

01:25:29.460 Where?

01:25:29.760 What area is that?

01:25:30.540 When you say near north side, what do you mean?

01:25:32.380 I'm saying like River North, you know, like North Michigan Avenue, where people, you know,

01:25:38.020 there are million-dollar condos.

01:25:39.640 And the condo prices dropped because she allowed looting the second, or was it the third time,

01:25:46.680 Lori?

01:25:47.560 Third time, you know, looting waves.

01:25:50.140 People vote with their feet, Megan.

01:25:52.200 They're not going to take it.

01:25:53.540 They just don't want to deal with the hassle.

01:25:55.740 I've got one of my favorite Italian restaurants is closing for lunch.

01:26:01.180 It's just not, the guy says, it's just not worth opening at lunchtime.

01:26:06.300 It's in the schools, it's in the justice system, this crazy intolerance ideology.

01:26:11.940 It's obviously affecting police and so on.

01:26:14.720 But now, can I ask you about this story that I saw online?

01:26:17.620 One of my, this is a poet who follows me on Twitter and I follow him, and sometimes he

01:26:23.040 sends me interesting stories, and I was like, this is insane.

01:26:25.420 And it's the thing about the Chicago docents, who are all basically being pushed out because

01:26:35.580 they're white, right?

01:26:37.620 That it was, I'm trying to remember, which museum is it?

01:26:40.740 I'm trying to remember.

01:26:41.500 The Art Institute of Chicago.

01:26:44.020 Yeah.

01:26:44.320 One of the great museums of the world, where Mrs. Potter Palmer went over to France and

01:26:50.260 bought up all the Impressionists, you know, and shouted that her husband could spit over

01:26:56.820 a railroad car or something.

01:26:58.920 Yeah.

01:26:59.760 That Art Institute.

01:27:02.220 So they're getting pushed out.

01:27:03.580 Basically, it's a bunch of older women who had to go through a lot of training to become

01:27:08.120 a docent because you need like a couple of years and tons of courses, and it's an unpaid

01:27:13.240 position.

01:27:14.160 These are the people who take you around the museum and try to educate you on what's in

01:27:16.860 there.

01:27:17.040 It's great, but they're all being pushed out because they're white, literally just

01:27:23.180 for the color of their skin.

01:27:25.280 Yeah, because they're too white.

01:27:28.280 This is the left.

01:27:29.720 This is the Democratic Party.

01:27:31.360 This is what they're about.

01:27:33.440 So the people who are being pushed out do this voluntarily.

01:27:39.000 They love it.

01:27:40.040 And you want to do a stereotype?

01:27:42.100 Okay, I'll give you a stereotype.

01:27:43.160 But middle-aged, maybe older woman, liberal, studied liberal arts in school, loves art,

01:27:53.240 you know, maybe a turtleneck with those wooden beads or whatever.

01:27:59.340 I'm just throwing that out there.

01:28:01.020 It's a good visual.

01:28:02.360 I'm not Mr. Style.

01:28:03.660 My wife tells you, look at him, dressed like a college professor from 1940.

01:28:07.880 So I'm not Mr. Style, but they loved their work.

01:28:15.380 And anyone who's been lucky enough to have one or, you know, the services or be near when

01:28:23.340 a docent is explaining one of the great paintings like Greco's Assumption of the Virgin in the

01:28:34.840 Art Institute or something like that, two-head side of beef, surrounded by side of beef by

01:28:40.560 bacon or, I know bacon, right?

01:28:43.400 Or whatever.

01:28:44.280 But you can hear them talking, put the painting in context.

01:28:49.260 It's wonderful.

01:28:50.540 It's not just a picture to look at.

01:28:53.400 You know, it's, they bring value to the experience.

01:28:57.340 And they're tossed out because they're too white.

01:29:01.940 It's crazy.

01:29:03.840 They, um, they're the fired docents who had, who had offered all this time and devotion

01:29:08.900 to the museum for years were offered a two-year free pass to the museum as gratitude for their

01:29:14.260 previous service, literally fired because they were white.

01:29:17.060 They had tried to diversify the docent staff by incentivizing people of color to apply and

01:29:23.180 get involved in the program.

01:29:24.200 It didn't go anywhere.

01:29:25.140 So now the answer is just to fire everybody, fire everyone.

01:29:29.540 And then I guess you can only get hired if you have the right melanin.

01:29:33.080 Um, and good luck.

01:29:34.160 Why do you think they're going to do any better filling, you know, a hundred positions than

01:29:37.860 they did just trying to fill a few?

01:29:39.860 You know what?

01:29:40.680 I'm done.

01:29:41.540 I'm, I'd rather go to, I'd rather, you know, I love that the Art Institute is one of the

01:29:46.860 great museums of the world.

01:29:48.780 Yeah.

01:29:49.420 And I love the paintings there.

01:29:51.300 I love the miniatures when you first walk in, the little miniatures.

01:29:54.120 I love it all, you know, and, uh, the lions, everything, but they, their wokeness ruins the

01:30:06.020 heart, the experience of the Art Institute.

01:30:08.720 Wokeness ruins great newspapers.

01:30:11.220 As you, as you've seen, it ruins, uh, our cultural life.

01:30:18.280 People, I've just, you know, I don't have enough time to deal with their nonsense and

01:30:24.480 people just say, okay, fine, fine.

01:30:27.540 I'm out of here.

01:30:28.440 I'm done.

01:30:28.860 I hope they do.

01:30:30.280 As you say, vote with their feet and you can help support with your fingers, uh, journalists

01:30:36.060 like John Cass, again, johncastnews.com.

01:30:39.640 Uh, please go there, check out his columns.

01:30:41.260 You will not be sorry.

01:30:42.300 Love talking to you, John.

01:30:43.460 Please come back soon.

01:30:45.160 I'll talk to you anytime because you know what, Megan Kelly, you are not a chump along.

01:30:50.200 Okay.

01:30:51.000 And I love to talk to you.

01:30:52.620 Hi, praise.

01:30:53.840 Thank you too.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 28, 2021

Free Speech Under Fire and Vaccine Mandates, with Michael Knowles and John Kass ｜ Ep. 191

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