Holdout Juror on Kevin Reddington, the Macklemore-Robert Kraft Controversy, and Helicopter Crash Details, with Emily Jashinsky, Ray Marcel, and Alan C. Mack ｜ Ep. 1400
00:00:00.560Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.240Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:15.420After Party host Emily Jashinsky will be here today, but we've got to break down the big controversy about Macklemore being dropped from the Ed Sheeran tour.
00:00:25.620OK, so we're going to go through that. This has turned into such a shit show. My God, it's like everybody's stepping on quicksand and they all the usual suspects are behaving exactly as you would predict.0.99
00:00:38.380But first, yesterday we told you that the holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy trial, who reportedly had a one hour phone call with Ray Marcel, the host of Fugitive TV, was speaking out.
00:00:51.080And Marcel reported that the holdout, a black man whose first name is Michael, he's named him first and last name, we've chosen just to stick with Michael for now, is still being harassed over his decision to refuse to join the other 11 jurors and that he would not vote to find Lindsey Clancy not guilty by reason of insanity.
00:01:27.240You say that automatically you've made enemies of some very strange but considerable portion of the far left who just will not allow that.
00:01:37.540And that he believed the eight jurors who wanted to find Lindsey Clancy not guilty from the very beginning.
00:01:44.240Eventually they got another three on their side that they were activists.
00:01:47.680activists. He also reported that Michael did not lie on his juror questionnaire about past
00:01:55.880allegations of domestic violence. Well, we had some follow-up questions about all of that. And
00:02:00.660joining me now to discuss it all is Ray Marcel. He's the host of Fugitive TV.
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00:03:14.680at checkout. Ray, welcome to the show and congrats on your exclusive interview.
00:03:21.060Thank you so much, Megan. I want to say, first of all, it's an honor to be on your show. I was
00:03:25.800telling your producer when I first started this channel, you were one of the people I watched
00:03:30.280closely and followed on how to do this correctly. Oh, well, thank you so much. Well, congrats. This
00:03:36.400is a great, great scoop for you. And I found it very illuminating. So just walk us through a
00:03:42.160little bit about how it came about, how you satisfied yourself that you were talking to
00:03:46.560the actual holdout juror as opposed to an impersonator. Yes. So when his name was brought
00:03:55.820up, well, when NBC Boston did what they did and brought up his background and they didn't say his
00:04:02.900name, but I knew it was a matter of time. And I knew that NBC Boston pretty much knew what they
00:04:08.500were doing. Somebody's going to find out who this guy is. So I was waiting to find out too.
00:04:13.760Once some people doxed his name, I found out his email, phone number. So I sent messages everywhere
00:04:20.540I can. After that, I was curious what brought to my attention, what made me really investigate
00:04:29.000was when NBC Boston did the interview with the ex-wife. And when the ex-wife had that line
00:04:35.480of I chose not to testify because I did not want to lose custody of my children.
00:04:43.260I kind of found that just a little funny because I'm thinking like, well, he is the big bad guy.
00:04:48.140She's the victim. I don't see why she will lose custody. Let me investigate this further.
00:04:53.180So I went and found just just to jump in. I think the audience knows this, but just for those who
00:04:57.880haven't been paying that close attention, the allegation outed by NBC Boston about this holdout
00:05:02.940juror that decided to give this guy a legal colonoscopy was that six years ago he and his
00:05:10.180wife had an altercation in which he allegedly assaulted her and then shoved her into a wall
00:05:15.480and then they got a divorce. And this was the allegation that then the charge was dropped
00:05:20.940against him because she didn't want to lose custody of her kids. So you see this and some
00:05:27.120alarm bells are going off for you. This was meant obviously by NBC to smear the juror as a terrible
00:05:32.020person. And then there was an allegation about him having an altercation with his nephew six
00:05:36.720years later. So keep going. Yeah. And yeah, you're totally correct. I agree with you. And when I saw
00:05:41.400that, it just set off the alarm bell. I said, let me investigate further. I found his divorce
00:05:47.060records, went into those, and I saw that he filed for divorce first. So then I was like, hold on.
00:05:54.120If he's this big bad guy, why is he filing for divorce first? And then I saw she did a counter
00:05:59.880claim. And during that counterclaim, she was actually awarded temporary custody with child
00:06:05.100support. So I was thinking she already has child support. So I went and did a video on that. And
00:06:11.400for me doing that video and reporting on further what if NBC was going to do it, they should have
00:06:18.100did the whole story. So because I did the due diligence and reported further, he saw that video
00:06:24.260and reached out to me through, actually called me the next morning.
00:06:29.780Wow. That must've been a shocker when you picked up and realized you were speaking to
00:06:33.920the holdout juror. Yeah. I saw a Massachusetts number and I was driving at the time and I look
00:06:39.940at it and I see the number. I'm thinking like, oh, this is probably somebody trying to sell me
00:06:43.700a car warranty, you know? So, and I pick up the phone and I, and when I answered, I feel really
00:06:50.320bad for him. He didn't ask for this. He was really, he was nervous. He's skeptical about
00:06:55.000everybody. He doesn't trust. I wouldn't trust nobody either. Um, he wanted to make sure it was
00:07:01.660me. So we had to settle on a code and then I did a YouTube short with that code so he can see it
00:07:08.980was me. And then he called me right back. Oh, very clever. That's very clever. And then did
00:07:15.620he send you his juror summons because you posted that on your youtube channel which was obvious
00:07:21.100proof to me that you had been in touch with the real yes he sent me multiple things that i did
00:07:26.920not put online to make sure it was him um because at you know i was skeptical too i'm thinking like
00:07:32.740am i talking to the real um and i we could say his name michael if um like am i talking to the
00:07:38.100real michael and um he sends me everything like all kind of identification all that so i'm like
00:07:44.020okay, I'm obviously talking to him. And then once we start talking, he just, you can tell
00:07:49.840he needed to release everything. Like he just needed to talk to somebody. And while we were
00:07:55.340talking, he stops and he goes, hold on one minute. And he has a ring doorbell or a camera.
00:08:03.200There's a guy creeping around his house while I'm on the phone with him,
00:08:07.160acting like he's doing service work. And Michael goes, this guy's not doing service work. I've
00:08:13.060had this is 24 7 he's looking for me and i'm while i'm on the phone with him wow what what do we know
00:08:21.080about michael that you can share like what what do we know what his job is what his life was like
00:08:26.940before all this and also then what it's been like since well i can share that he is he um well he
00:08:32.420does his he's working and his job has been very nice they've actually gave him extended time off
00:08:38.560because of everything. They say he's a really good employee. That's why they gave him the
00:08:44.180extended time off. Very well-spoken, intelligent. He also takes his time. I realize he analyzes
00:08:52.840things. He doesn't answer right away. He will analyze it before he answers or makes a decision.
00:09:00.600So I do realize he is very patient too. Was he shocked to see these other jurors coming out
00:09:07.380and attacking him yes he was because to his knowledge um or you know when he was there
00:09:15.320well one jury he wasn't shocked about and let's just call it out paula he said paula what he told
00:09:22.940me paula was the alpha pretty much of the whole room and so he was not shocked by how she's going
00:09:29.600on the media and talking and talking and you know and uh uh they're they're saying you know
00:09:35.520this will help women's rights, because this is what they were saying when they're inside
00:09:39.960the jury panel as well. She was the one just for the listening audience who was on with Gail King1.00
00:09:45.380revealing for the first time that it was the black male juror who was the holdout that that's Paula
00:09:51.720who I've been calling JLo because she loves the camera so much. She can't get enough of it.
00:09:57.540He so he he wasn't surprised by her, but the others have really been taking aim at him.
00:10:03.080I don't know if you got the chance, Ray, to see and or ask him about Kevin Reddington accusing him of violating the law, of committing a felony during the whole proceedings over whether they should have a mistrial.
00:10:19.700He stood up in open court and said to the judge, I believe that juror lied to you under oath.
00:10:24.720This poor guy gets accused of a felony.
00:10:26.780Kevin Reddington doesn't think his client who strangled her three children committed a felony, but he thinks the holdout juror did by telling the judge he could be fair.
00:10:36.280I can tell you exactly what he said about Kevin Reddington, because we all know he's the one that started all this.0.99
00:16:45.280Do we know whether, because there was that incident with the ex-wife six years ago that did not ultimately resolve in any sort of a trial against him, they dropped the charges.
00:16:54.480But then the report was that more recently, the nephew, who allegedly was the one who called the police when he was accused of roughing up his wife, that the nephew and he had a physical altercation more recently and that he allegedly assaulted the nephew and that there's an active restraining order against him right now.
00:17:17.880And I don't even know if the juror questionnaire would cover that, to be honest.
00:17:21.280I have no idea, Ray, whether it would have or it wouldn't have.
00:17:23.260But do you know if that specifically came up?
00:17:46.100He said they're making it look like, yes, you're not supposed to hit people, but the nephew is six foot two and Michael is only five foot seven.
00:17:53.400So I guess you could take it from there of how you want to imagine that.
00:17:59.160OK. And again, it's really unclear to me right now whether the restraining order would have been encompassed in the questions that were asked of the jury.
00:18:08.060But that could be something we learn more about. OK, there is another juror.
00:18:12.660there were only three men. One of the other men, a guy named Nick Dargal, sat down with ABC and
00:18:19.520attacked Michael. So it's not just the, as I've been calling him, the hens on the jury who have
00:18:24.520been going after him, but this male juror also went after him and said the following. And I know
00:18:29.500you asked Michael about this. Listen here to Sot3. RG told us one time he confronted the holdout
00:18:35.540after the man picked up what Clancy used to strangle her kids. He took the exercise band
00:18:41.600out of the bag grabbed an empty water bottle and and tied the band around the water bottle and
00:18:49.980pulled it did he explain why he did that no um he might have i'm not entirely i think i was just
00:18:57.860so shocked that he did that like is that a mimic of how she killed the children yeah i i assume so
00:19:06.260yeah what'd you think when he did that i was shocked it didn't make any sense to me we're not
00:19:11.600in here to play detective or it's not a game of clue like this is serious i asked him why why was
00:19:19.140why why are you doing that that's a band that was used to strangle a child it's disgusting
00:19:23.700nick darji i'm correcting myself darji so again trying to make him look heartless and like he0.94
00:19:32.680was just a weirdo in there. You did ask Michael about it. Yes, I did. And I don't know if it was
00:19:38.420just me, but even before I even asked Michael, when I saw that interview, I looked at that and
00:19:44.400I said, of course, he's trying to set an example of what happened to the kids' throats. That's
00:19:48.820the first thing I thought of. When I asked Michael that, that's pretty much what he told me. He was
00:19:54.460trying to set an example, get a visual picture for everybody to say, hey, this is what Lindsey
00:19:59.860did with this string and this is their throats um the one thing we were talking about and
00:20:07.180this is the part i don't get um let's let's say instead of three kids let's just say lindsey0.74
00:20:15.700clancy strangled three puppies let's just say she strangled three puppies would anybody have her1.00
00:20:21.900back and be an activist for that what what peta come to and say no she wasn't you know insane
00:20:27.620so we start actually we're talking about that like we come to the part where or i should say
00:20:35.240where we are in this nation to where it's almost okay to do this to children and if somebody wants
00:20:41.560to send her to jail over it they're the ones getting crucified that's not right
00:20:46.620yes i know it does he have any idea like how did abc sorry nbc boston get on to him
00:20:57.500Because there was an exchange posted by a guy who goes by Turtle Boy on X yesterday, who was very active in the Karen Reed trial.
00:21:07.580And then he posted an alleged text exchange between himself as this sort of activist shit stirrer outside of the courthouse during Karen Reed and Kevin Reddington in this case.0.66
00:21:20.540and the Kevin was full of praise for this guy0.72
00:24:46.060They're basically living in hiding, it was the report.
00:24:50.140Well, I can tell you this, Megan, and you're the first person to hear this.
00:24:54.840He is safe now, and he actually has legal representation.
00:24:58.400I just can't disclose who it is yet or tell anybody but yeah he is safe and he has somebody
00:25:04.640representing him now good good because he's getting defamed left and right including by
00:25:11.960Kevin Reddington yes who had absolutely no business to stand up in court when he wasn't there
00:25:17.080Michael was back in the jury deliberation room and basically call him a felon suggest he had
00:25:23.140committed a felony just because he was a holdout juror and told the court yes I can be fair yes I
00:25:32.180can follow the law yeah and why not out the other if you're gonna do that to one why do it to all
00:25:36.940you interview Farina first but you don't mention her background that just find that very odd
00:25:41.420so when you spoke with him overall Ray you thought this was this guy sounded intelligent
00:25:49.500he sounded I mean like you describe like your impressions of him as a person
00:25:53.540yeah very he was intelligent um um Haitian background conservative um um Christian views
00:26:02.860reads the Bible every day um he he sounds like he's actually a good guy just trying to make it
00:26:09.460by in life that's what it sounds like he sounds like he's just a good guy trying to make it by
00:26:14.720in life I mean you go to his background I've looked up his background he doesn't have any
00:26:19.080only incident you see is what NBC brought up and he was never even charged with it so he was just
00:26:25.900trying to do his duty how did he get stuck on this jury was this something he wanted to do did he
00:26:31.560speak to that at all you know I never I never asked him if he wanted to do that um he just got
00:26:37.140the summons and you know hey duty called and you know and walked in like you know and started
00:26:43.160answering questions and filled out the forms to correct the way he's supposed to and and like he
00:26:48.280said that he was picked after the prosecution questioned him yeah well this is just i mean
00:26:54.500what's being done to him is it's unprecedented i don't remember this ever happening to another
00:26:59.120juror after a big case with a controversial ending or not it's very deeply wrong um and i know last
00:27:06.840but not least ray you you have some sophistication when it comes to the criminal justice system
00:27:12.540And this probably that that spoke to you for this reason as well, I would imagine.
00:27:18.000Yes. Yes, it does. So just a quick rundown. Fugitive TV is my YouTube channel. It's called Fugitive TV because I actually was a fugitive for 15 years.
00:27:29.400I figured out how to change my name after I committed some white collar crime, lived in a couple of different countries under different names, then turned myself in.0.97
00:27:37.980And because of what I did, I learned pretty much how to see through bullshit.0.94
00:27:45.380I learned how to read in between the lines.0.99
00:32:15.720You don't want to miss it, especially on YouTube, because you want to see Emily and her antics on the after party so that you can really feel like you're part of the crowd, the cool crowd.
00:32:24.820Megan, I'm told the website is afterpartyemily.com, which I have to say always makes me sound a little bit risque.
00:32:34.700It's like it's something you should like confess when you're on your deathbed.
00:32:38.420Like there was that night with after party Emily.
00:32:40.860Yeah, yeah, no, that's don't put it that way.
00:32:44.820it's fair. And you too can have a night with After Party Emily just by subscribing on YouTube
00:32:52.780or podcast. Before we get to Macklemore, can you believe that story that Ray was just telling us
00:32:58.460about this poor juror, like the way this guy's having to live? Can you imagine this shit?1.00
00:33:02.480No, no. And actually, I thought your coverage the last couple of days has been really helpful1.00
00:33:06.120because the media is justifying their coverage of this juror by saying, well, maybe there was
00:33:12.080dishonesty on the juror form. And everything now points to that not being the fact. And so I'm
00:33:16.940curious, did they bother to check with him, with the juror, about whether there was another side
00:33:22.520of the story that could kill? I mean, that's the type of thing as an editor that could kill the
00:33:26.320story. You'd say, all right, well, lay off the story because it looks like this isn't justified.
00:33:29.580He didn't lie. If he didn't lie, there's no justification for blowing up his life this way.
00:33:34.000Yeah. Or possibly they've been led down that road by one of the lawyers in the case. Who knows? I mean, I think at this point we're going to need to have, if we get a hearing involving this juror, we're going to need lawyers to take the stand about who in the press they've talked to, which would not be privileged.
00:33:56.020There's no privilege that protects a lawyer calling a journalist.
00:34:00.180The journalist might have a privilege or might just refuse on ethical grounds to disclose.
00:34:04.840But the lawyer calling the journalist and trying to use the press to bring a shitstorm upon a juror would certainly have to answer that honestly and truly might be in trouble.
00:34:14.720Like this could qualify as juror intimidation.
00:34:16.880I actually thought that the statute stopped applying once the case was over, you know, that that you couldn't be found guilty of that once the case was over.
00:34:51.140but on the other side, the jurors have been so classless.
00:34:54.620There was a way to handle this where if you're one of these, you call them the hens, I think that's a great description of them, but if you're one of the hens and you come out and you say, you know, it was frustrating, it's true, there was one holdout, but we just couldn't convince him in the end, that's how the system worked.
00:35:09.500They actually made it so if he wanted to defend his honor, knowing that his name was probably going to be revealed sooner rather than later, then he is going to, like, face these accusations of being, they've said everything, that he was arrogant, that he was putting his AirPods in, that he was playing with the exercise bands, as you covered today.
00:35:28.900Like, there was a universe in which they and the journalists could have handled this story, either by smothering the story in the crib because it wasn't, that was a really bad use of my language.
00:35:37.920But especially in this case, I mean it that way. But you just that's in journalism. That's what you do. If a story is not a story. At the end of the day, you just say we're done with it. But that's not what happened. They all have been classless about it.
00:35:47.940he's been accused now by my count of at least two crimes in the course of the deliberations
00:35:53.900and thereafter and then raising the other crime that he was accused of where no charges resulted
00:35:59.400as well so we had kevin reddington openly accuse him of a crime in court when he wasn't there
00:36:04.500suggesting with zero basis that he lied under oath to the judge then we had nbc point out very
00:36:13.100helpfully that if he didn't fill out that jury questionnaire accurately, something for which
00:36:18.940they had zero basis to even intimate, that that would be illegal, that he'd be committing a crime
00:36:24.640there. And then, of course, we had the dredging up of the six-year-old allegations between
00:36:29.220Michael and his wife when they were getting a divorce, just for good measure. Now, if this
00:36:35.200had been done, you know, like picture the reverse, Emily, after party Emily, where the holdout juror
00:36:42.680is a black man in a case against a black woman and the entire white jury wants her convicted.
00:36:50.800But the one black man says, I'm not going to go for it. And then you have white NBC because
00:36:55.740everybody over there at the Boston NBC that I can see is white involved in this dredging up
00:37:00.520his alleged criminal past and calling him twice a felon, right? Like opening court with the defense
00:37:08.160attorney and then opining in their piece about him that he probably lied on this juror questionnaire
00:37:13.120and that would be a crime. Can you imagine what the people like Gayle King would be saying about
00:37:18.600the coverage then? Well, I was just going to say, yeah, we know because Gayle King came out and said
00:37:22.740basically that she had racially profiled this man. She racially profiled him because it gave
00:37:27.420her pause. She had to take a beat when she heard that he was a black man, which means that she was
00:37:32.820racially profiling him as a, obviously a white man or a non-black man. And that is such a0.63
00:37:38.320disgusting thing to do, but it reveals the mentality of a lot of people in the media who
00:37:41.920cover these stories. It's exactly the indication that, as you say, it would be totally different
00:37:47.560if he were on the other side of the case. And that's the problem with racially profiling people.
00:37:52.460You don't know them. You don't know them. You have no idea what their backstory is. Their race
00:37:56.880doesn't actually give you a good indication of that. So just shut up and treat things on the0.98
00:38:00.980merits. Right. It's like Gayle King has never met a black male conservative, which I'm sure she has0.98
00:38:08.200in her many travels. But, you know, they're they're just like newsflash, Gayle. Blacks are just like
00:38:14.960the rest of us. They have heterodox opinions. They have opinions that go along with the group0.98
00:38:18.860sometime, you know, just like stars. They're just like us. It's just ridiculous. Her her racial
00:38:25.880profiling and truly like racism there. It really was. Um, okay. I want to keep going. So this0.99
00:38:31.100Macklemore situation I've been trying to ignore just because it's like so annoying. The whole
00:38:35.720thing is annoying. Um, Ed Sheeran, who is like possibly the least controversial person in the
00:38:41.960world. All he wants to do is sing his songs. His biggest controversy before this was when he said
00:38:47.860he wanted to be bigger than Beyonce and the Bay hive rained down a whole shit storm on him. I0.99
00:38:53.500loved this guy. I interviewed him at NBC and he was so charming and just earnest and just absolutely
00:39:00.760warm and delightful. So he has Macklemore, but the ceiling can't hold us. That Macklemore open up for
00:39:09.220him on this tour that he's on. And I guess twice, but it's the second time that made all the news,
00:39:16.680Macklemore decided to talk about Palestine in his opening before he did his opening number.
00:39:23.500Well, all hell breaks loose after he does it at Giant Stadium, basically, Meadowlands, right?
00:39:32.420And here we cut the whole thing because I've only seen snippets here and there.
00:40:14.580I want those words to be loud and clear
00:40:17.720so that people from Gaza all the way to the occupied West Bank know that we have not forgotten
00:40:25.780them. And this next song was inspired by the bravery of Columbia University students who
00:40:36.160led an encampment movement that mobilized the entire world, open up hearts, myself included.
00:40:42.440So thank you to those students that risked their diplomas, that risked their tuition,
00:40:46.560that risked their scholarships, that stood up and said no.
00:40:50.400CUAD students, Students for Justice and Palestine and Jewish Voices for Peace, thank you guys.
00:40:56.820To all of my Jewish brothers and sisters, criticism of Israel, criticism of apartheid,
00:41:06.160being against genocide in no way is a criticism of you.
00:41:10.700my message is for peace love for all human beings to be treated with dignity respect and equality
00:41:21.480so i say free palestine i say free lebanon i say free cuba i say free congo free sudan0.72
00:41:30.340free all people in america living in fear over this terrorist organization ice
00:41:36.900none of us will be free until we are all free this song is called hens hall
00:41:47.520okay it's your garden variety leftist right like none of that surprises me um but it did surprise
00:41:58.200people associated with the ed sheeran concert that the audience wasn't openly against it but
00:42:04.760for sure others around the world were because now he's been canceled. So Ed Sheeran's people say it
00:42:12.200took like two weeks, but basically we all knew he was going to get canceled because, you know,
00:42:15.560the voices were popping up saying, oh my God, what did he do? This is awful. And while Ed Sheeran
00:42:21.380doesn't seem to have made the decision, the promotion company, like the tour promoters who
00:42:25.500actually put the whole tour together and organized the opening acts and all that said he's got to go
00:42:30.000because all these stadium owners, Robert Kraft was the next one at Gillette State, who owns Gillette
00:42:35.160Stadium, the Patriots owner, got together and they were all reportedly saying, you got to cancel him.
00:42:42.660Like, we're not going to have Macklemore say that here. And I got to be honest, Emily, like,
00:42:47.620I don't want politics in my concerts. I fucking hate Bruce Springsteen now because he's injected0.99
00:42:54.340his anti-Trump mania into all like i i'm sick of the bullshit just fucking sing is how i feel1.00
00:43:00.840um and so i think the tour promotion company probably did the right thing because it's like1.00
00:43:06.800the people don't want a political lecture they just want to hear you sing the the ceiling can't
00:43:11.680hold a song they're gonna they're probably drunk they want to dance that's the only way you could
00:43:16.820want to hear that song you would have to be so hammered what do you mean it's fun0.93
00:43:20.200they don't want to be reminded of the awfulness in gaza while they're at a concert so i get all0.56
00:43:27.760that but i will say what he said they when i first heard that he got like canceled there was all this
00:43:35.500blowback against him and then i googled and i saw what was clearly an anti-semitic costume he wore
00:43:41.760back in 2014 i mean it was like he said he didn't mean to be dressed like uh like some sort of a
00:43:47.080Jewish person, but it looked like this awful caricature of a Jewish person. I mean, this is
00:43:52.200just so offensive. I thought he was wearing this at the Ed Sheeran concert. And I was like, oh,
00:43:57.980well, of course I get it. But I thought it was pretty garden variety shit. He said up there,1.00
00:44:02.860like for leftist, you know, or even just Israel skeptical people in America. So help me understand
00:44:10.560how this blew up into such a bigger thing. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's really unfortunate because
00:44:16.560they've now created a martyr out of Macklemore, who is as annoying as they get. To your point,
00:44:22.200Megan, I actually don't mind artists mixing politics when it's sincere and when it's smart,
00:44:29.220and this is not any of that to be honest. I mean, it's clearly sincere, but it's not
00:44:32.720particularly clever. It's just kind of normal advocacy, activism type stuff, which it is
00:44:39.560annoying unless I think it's built into the art and into the song. It doesn't mean he doesn't
00:44:43.640have a right to do it, and now he's been turned into a martyr. So, while he was canceled by the
00:44:49.100Robert Kraft-led effort to cancel him, he has now become uncanceled with a huge swath of the
00:44:54.760population who is rushing to his defense. So, you could be the most vociferous defender of Israel,
00:45:01.140of America's alliance with Israel. In fact, there was a piece in the Free Press, which is one of the
00:45:05.200most defensive publications in Israel, of Israel in America right now, and they said they created
00:45:10.820a martyr out of Macklemore and that it was an error. So, two of these things can be true at1.00
00:45:14.800once. You can be very supportive of Israel and think that this was a massive mistake because0.79
00:45:20.220Macklemore has now been elevated to hero status because Israel has become very unpopular in the0.95
00:45:25.920United States and nobody wants to see this type of normal speech where he even went out of his way
00:45:32.340to say, to his Jewish brothers and sisters, this isn't about you. It's about, you know, that's
00:45:36.840another place where two things can be true at once. There are actually a lot of Jews in Israel
00:45:41.000who have disagreed with Netanyahu's prosecution of the war. And so if you are conflating that
00:45:45.880with anti-Semitism and treating it as an objective exercise in anti-Semitism,
00:45:52.700you're going to create a martyr out of someone and honestly hurt your own cause. I think that's0.60
00:45:56.260exactly what happened here. Yeah, because you can absolutely have nothing in your heart but love for
00:46:02.180Jewish people, including your fellow Americans, and be critical of the Israeli government in the
00:46:06.840same way that you can have love for your fellow Americans, but be critical of the American
00:46:10.600government, as many of us are. Apparently, there was also an objection to the imagery. He played
00:46:15.280this song that was pro-Palestine, and he played imagery on the screen that showed children
00:46:23.260hurting in Gaza and so on. And people said, well, that was upsetting. Okay, I get it. I get it. But
00:46:30.300he wasn't showing like anti-Semitic images. He was showing images of Gaza. I mean, this is
00:46:37.320controversial for the reasons we discussed, but it wasn't like a bunch of anti-Semitic imagery.
00:46:43.320So Robert Kraft, here's what's interesting to me. Robert Kraft decides that he can't come to
00:46:48.940Gillette Stadium that he owns, right? Because he's richer than God, thanks to the Patriots.
00:46:54.180So I love the fact that Robert Kraft gets to play moral arbiter to anyone.
00:46:58.800Yes. Now, first of all, he OK. So first of all, he he's allowed Bruce Springsteen to come through like, OK, so you can be I guess it depends on what your politics are that he's going to object to. Right. He's very, very, very active in the pro-Israeli cause. And he came out. The Wall Street Journal had a piece today and where he said the real problem is Hamas.
00:47:20.500This is why he objected to Macklemore's comments, because he said the real problem is Hamas.
00:47:26.540OK, in other words, he disagrees with him.
00:47:28.520Like, what are you what are you doing?
00:47:31.400Like, oh, many people believe the real problem is Hamas.
00:47:34.660But that's not why you cancel somebody and say you can never appear at my stadium or get a bunch of other billionaire stadium owners and say, let's bar this guy.
00:47:45.000Again, if he had worn that costume while doing it, now we're in business.
00:47:48.400Because to me, that was obviously openly anti-Semitic, but it was years ago and he wasn't doing it here.
00:47:53.340And then he said, this isn't about freedom of speech.
00:47:56.600It's about hate speech, which, of course, is such a sophomoric thing to say.
00:48:04.000The whole purpose behind the First Amendment, I hate to break it to you, is not to protect speech you do like.
00:48:09.320It's to protect speech you cannot stand.
00:48:15.940So the First Amendment doesn't really apply here.
00:48:18.400So it spun off into a debate about principles of free speech, you know, principles, which is fair, because outside of government censorship, we have a general principle in this country of like, do we want to censor speech or don't we?
00:48:32.200And then the other side is, well, you have to be responsible for your comments.
00:48:35.380You know, like you can't just say things that are super controversial and expect zero blowback on you.
00:48:43.660But just to stay on Robert Kraft, I pulled the article, OK, because I remember covering this.
00:48:50.2002019, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft paid for sex, reading here off of WCVB, at a Florida day spa twice in two days, twice in two days, including just a few hours before his team won the AFC championship in Kansas City.
00:49:06.280How do I know this? Affidavits from the case, reports WCVB, were released on Monday after the Palm Beach County State Attorney, who's that? Our pal Dave Ehrenberg, he was at the time, decided to file two misdemeanor charges against Kraft.
00:49:22.560In addition to containing graphic details about the alleged crime, the documents revealed that police stopped Kraft and checked his identification after both of his visits.
00:49:31.720So what they allege, Emily, is he went into the spa at the time he was 77.
00:50:25.200And reportedly, according to the affidavit,
00:50:29.880they saw him lie on his back on the massage table
00:50:34.140and get pleasured by an Orchids of Asia worker.
00:50:39.060So when he leaves, he gets pulled over by the cops.
00:50:42.140they like he's caught red-handed and he still goes back the next day the next day they say all
00:50:50.760right you got to respect it unfortunately i have to take a break but i've got to tell you
00:50:54.500off against a hard break here on serious xm but i was to tell you what happened when he went back
00:50:58.320the next day which is even more graphic and just a quick quick a quick you know spoiler
00:51:04.360The reason these charges were ultimately dropped is because the video was deemed like it was improper.
00:51:13.080It was a violation of his privacy and other people's privacy because they didn't know they were being videotaped naked in the Orchids of Asia day spa.
00:51:21.580So his crafty lawyers, crafty, got the case dismissed.
00:51:25.560But that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
00:51:28.140It got dismissed on a technicality about the video, which he then begged them to delete.
00:51:32.700I'll tell you what was in the second video when we come right back. Don't go away.
00:51:37.620Let's talk about something that isn't always the most comfortable subject, but it is incredibly
00:51:41.980important. Making sure the people you love have financial security if something happens to you.
00:51:47.460Now hear me out. Life insurance. We don't want to talk about it, but we do want to have it.
00:51:52.420And this is why I'm just going to talk to you for a couple seconds about ethos, and then you can go
00:54:17.860This guy was, according to the police affidavits, on tape getting jerked off and then fellated by Asian orchids and who were trafficked.
00:54:29.960This whole thing was a trafficking investigation.
00:54:31.680And the only reason he didn't get found guilty, et cetera, even though he denied doing it and maintained his innocence, is because he found a good lawyer to object fruitfully to the fact that he was videotaped without his knowledge.
00:54:46.000So they had to throw out the videotape, and without the videotape, they had no evidence.
00:55:23.680They reported at WCBB, having read the affidavits, that the woman escorted him to a room where the two hugged law enforcement surveillance cameras, then captured the man disrobing, lying face up on a massage table between or before the woman hugged him again and began touching his genitals and performing oral sex.0.67
00:55:45.740After the sex act, the man got dressed, gave the woman a $100 bill and at least one other unidentifiable bill, according to the documents.
00:55:54.560Again, after leaving, he was pulled over in his Bentley and officers identified him again with his Massachusetts driver's license, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
00:56:02.280So he wound up, you know, he denied it, but he wound up issuing a public apology to his family.
00:56:08.040And look, you can make the argument, who cares?0.90
00:58:58.880Well, I was going to say, Robert Kraft's not mad about that.
00:59:00.620Robert Kraft allowed him to be booked at Gillette Stadium all of those years after the costume
00:59:05.180controversy, which I agree with you. I mean, that is, it doesn't give you a lot of room for
00:59:08.960a repeat offense, but saying free Palestine and then directly, directly saying that had nothing
00:59:14.960to do with antisemitism. Like that's, you don't always hear that, but he also even made the point
00:59:19.860of saying that to his Jewish brothers and sisters, it wasn't about antisemitism. And so for Robert
00:59:25.260Kraft to make that move after allowing him to be booked, I don't know. I mean, I think it's just
00:59:29.840him, your example is a good one. Actually, this whole massage parlor thing I think is relevant
00:59:35.080because what you see is somebody who very firmly believes that his view of the world
00:59:40.220should be imposed via billionaires with all this control and money when there are decent human
00:59:46.580beings who don't go to sex parlors and disagree with them on this issue because they take issue
00:59:51.440with the way that American blood and treasure has been spilled in the conflict. They take issue
00:59:56.880reasonably so with the women and children who were killed in Gaza. And you can agree or disagree
01:00:01.820with that. But Robert Kraft is very convinced of his own self-righteousness, so much so that he is
01:00:07.540willing to say that this is hate speech, that concerts must be canceled over. And I think it
01:00:12.740just speaks to a demented billionaire mindset where they have the entitlement to do this,
01:00:18.740and they know what's right. And the American people who disagree with them are either bigots
01:00:22.760or dumb. And your point about the commercial incentives here, I think, is there are a lot of0.99
01:00:26.900concert girls who might not want to be bombarded with these awful images coming out of Gaza and
01:00:32.560the West Bank. And so I can understand the Sheeran perspective that, hey, maybe don't do that,
01:00:38.600right? Say what you want, free Palestine, maybe don't do that. If that's what was happening
01:00:42.280behind the scenes, I think it's more defensible than certainly what Robert Kraft has now
01:00:47.740determined is the correct path forward. Oh, and getting all his other billionaire buddies to make
01:00:52.940sure that he couldn't be booked at any future stadium and really leaving Ed Sheeran with no
01:00:58.220choice. And now Macklemore has said he's going to donate his million dollars to a free Gaza0.56
01:01:04.300type organization. And he invited Robert Kraft to match it. And then Kraft said, well, Ed Sheeran
01:01:10.980already asked me to match his donation of two million. And so I'm going to make a donation to
01:01:15.700help people in the region, which is like, well, what does that mean? Like, whatever. It's fine
01:01:21.540to be pro-Israel. Just say you're pro-Israel and you're going to donate it to help Israelis. That's0.78
01:01:25.080fine too. Like there's obviously very strong feelings on both sides of this one. And as the
01:01:31.580war has gone on and as the devastation in Gaza has climbed to astronomical numbers with, you know,
01:01:37.600I mean, just tens of thousands of dead innocents, including children. And that's from the Israelis.0.86
01:01:43.820You don't have to take like I'm very cautious about reporting numbers out of this region because the Hamas is like the world king of propaganda.0.83
01:01:54.220But the Israelis are not bad at it either.0.88
01:01:56.680And so everyone's trying to manipulate us into saying their numbers are their facts.0.85
01:02:01.320And it's it's just like a pointless exercise at this point.
01:02:04.980But the Israelis will tell you tens of thousands have died in Gaza and they're not all Hamas.
01:02:11.380The vast majority of them are not Hamas.0.88
01:02:13.040And they say it's Hamas's fault because Hamas hides amidst civilians, but they admit to the
01:02:19.180civilian deaths. So this is why people say genocide, also because of the starvation that's
01:02:23.800been happening there, which people believe has turned into effectively a tactic. The Israelis0.91
01:02:27.340deny it. Oh, we could be here all day. Anyway, this is why I wouldn't want it at my concert.
01:02:31.460You know, it's like, I don't want to think about that. I don't want to think about anything dark.
01:02:34.680You go to the movies, you go to the concerts, you go to a comedian to like have a laugh,
01:02:41.020have a distraction from all this stuff and, or at least maybe if it's a comedian to make light of0.97
01:02:47.720it, you know, to like be able to laugh that we're all going to be dead in three years if this AI
01:02:51.040doomerism is true, whatever. Okay. Let's keep going. Oh, by the way, all of Ed Sheeran's
01:02:56.700additional warmup acts canceled on him now because they're all mad at Ed Sheeran because
01:03:00.820they're on the Macklemore side and his band, his band quit. So like reportedly he has no backup
01:03:07.520band now. So it's just going to be, I guess, an acoustic edge. Which is what most people want
01:03:13.520anyway, to be honest. He'll be fine. Yeah. My team reminds me that it was Adele. He said he
01:03:19.760wanted to be better than I could have sworn it was Beyonce either way. Same thing. That was his last
01:03:24.120biggest controversy. All right. I want to keep going. Sunny Hostin is in the news today. She is
01:03:30.780very, very upset, Emily, because unbeknownst to everyone, she's been writing books on the side
01:03:39.000of her day gig over at The View. And not just any books, romance novels. Oh, no. Romance novels. And
01:03:47.580she is convinced that the reason her, trust me, smash hit romance novels have not been made into
01:03:55.160movies. Can you guess what the reason might be? Oh, I can guess. And I think it has something to
01:04:00.680do with skin color. Ding, ding, ding. Let's watch Sat 24. One of the reasons I partnered with this0.99
01:04:09.220company is because I've written a trilogy. And for six years, I've tried to get my films or my
01:04:15.560stories made into series and films. And the gatekeeping in Hollywood around black and brown0.93
01:04:21.860creative content is insane i cannot get new york times best-selling books onto the screen to tell
01:04:28.720diverse stories to diverse communities so what does that do with ai with ai the gatekeeping
01:04:35.500you get to make a film you get to have a director no they're they're generated i've licensed i've
01:04:42.380licensed my image and so i i may appear where it's waldo you're a robot now i may appear but
01:04:50.700But but in all seriousness, it's a way to go then to a streamer and say, here's the product.
01:12:44.940done. I mean, no, this is no, actually, Megan, I think we might be missing something. Sonny
01:12:50.380Hauston is an expert at an expert at providing daily pornography for liberal housewives,
01:12:58.520bored minds. And I think that's what she's doing. This is the she's in the same business as she is1.00
01:13:04.020in The View. This is just pornography for the bored housewives of America. And I mean, this1.00
01:13:09.880When I was a young reporter, I took it upon myself to read every Stacey Abrams romance novel,
01:13:15.860every single one of them. And it's exactly like this. And you can tell. I think there was a point
01:13:21.080where I counted how many times she described the men's thighs as corded. The corded thighs. It was
01:13:26.540like a dozen times throughout these books. But it's terrible writing. And Sonny Hostin should know
01:13:31.380this is why it's not being made into a fucking movie. So clearly. This is the whole point of0.99
01:13:38.780reading it is I think we all know now why it has not been optioned for a movie. This is absurd
01:13:45.680pablum. Who would want to make this into a movie? What? Like, so you, you want to see a sex scene
01:13:51.580with black and brown bodies? I mean, there's plenty of them, plenty. Pick your random series1.00
01:13:57.880on Netflix. You're going to see a whole lot of it. Thankfully she avoided the corded. That was
01:14:02.440a Stacey Abrams thing. Corded thighs. What's a corded thigh? I think it's like muscle, but she1.00
01:14:06.960kept using the word corded. Yeah, it does sound medical. Isn't this what Bridgerton is, by the
01:14:12.780way? Like this is exactly what she's complaining about is like there's gatekeeping. This is like
01:14:16.840the point of Bridgerton. I just like the hubris in being like, it's got to be my skin color.1.00
01:14:24.380There's just no other reason why people wouldn't want me. Okay. All right. Keep telling yourself
01:14:28.980that. Now, speaking of sexy women, Sydney Sweeney, we've got to hit this ad. We're hitting the ad.0.99
01:14:36.960Um, Sydney Sweeney is back in trouble again. This too, I got to say, I don't get it. So there's,
01:14:44.320you know how there's like Cal, she, and like these betting markets, there's a new one that's out and
01:14:50.920it's called Nordig, Novig, sorry, Novig, N-O-V-I-G. And they're, they're not like Cal,
01:14:58.180she, and the other one, they, um, only take bets on sports, like prediction markets,0.99
01:15:04.020predictions on sports and they're looking to get some attention. And indeed they did a good thing
01:15:08.880because I'm talking about them here for free on the MK show. And that I wasn't doing that before
01:15:12.260the Sydney Sweeney ad, but there's been a predictable leftist feminist meltdown. I guess1.00
01:15:20.000I'm not sure if they're all leftist feminists. I'm just assuming someone just like some female1.00
01:15:24.220athletes are pissed, but I, again, I don't get it. And I'm all for the female athletes, but like0.96
01:15:28.940And since the dawn of time, we've been selling sports to men by using sexy women in ads that air during the sporting events, in the bars where they watch the sporting events, you know, in products around the sporting events, because men tend to like sports and beer and sexy women.
01:15:50.340And this is not particularly controversial until now, until this year, until Cindy Sweeney is the woman, I guess, who is a registered Republican and did the controversial jeans ad.0.99
01:20:29.680How does it say that's our greatest value?1.00
01:20:32.860And by the way, you know what really bothers me about these leftist women?1.00
01:20:36.120They never acknowledge that it is one of our values and like there's nothing wrong with that either.1.00
01:20:41.760You know, like Sidney Sweeney, it would it would like be a tragedy if that woman didn't occasionally show off that body.0.99
01:20:50.100I don't if I look like that, I'd be doing nude ads, too.0.67
01:20:54.160Why is it they're so judgy about a gorgeous woman who wants to show it, even though they were supposed to be like the foremothers of the sexual revolution and we were supposed to be leaning into that and not being apologetic for it.0.88
01:21:07.400But when you have that person emerge in 2026, almost 2027, America, she has to be shamed.
01:24:15.040They might have a platform because they've stood up for women across the board in sports on these issues that matter.
01:24:19.940But they're not saying that because they're normal and they understand offering a little, you know, dangling a little sexy lingerie situation over here to get a man to watch a sports game or bet on a sports game has nothing to do with female athletes who crush it every day on the field and on the court.
01:24:38.000If they were actually brave and they wanted to take a political stance, yeah, they have an opportunity to do that, which they have not taken.
01:24:45.580Yeah. All right. Now, last but not least, Tom Cruise is on the cover of GQ.
01:24:51.560And while I respect the fact that Tom Cruise is truly the world's biggest movie star and has been for a long time and he's incredibly talented,
01:25:11.340And I'm just going to say, Emily, I've given Holly Berry a hard time for like revealing too much for too long.0.96
01:25:19.320You know, I do think there's a point at which women should lean into their wisdom, the fact that they still look great, but they don't have to be a sex pot.
01:25:29.400It's just very kind of weird in the mid-60s.
01:25:46.820Why do they all feel like they have to try so hard?
01:25:48.640Yeah, I don't know. And I'm looking at this image, like he looks good for 64, as is often the case, but he looks old. You know, he's not at his peak sexuality. There's obviously no question about it. So is the point he's trying to make that you can, is it that you can still look sexy at 64? I mean, I guess, I guess.
01:26:09.060like no good for you like yeah you look good for a 64 year old uh but for a 64 year old i mean you0.97
01:26:14.640don't have to be showing almost your crotch it just it is unnecessary i think it's undignified0.60
01:26:20.880i feel like that's what it is it's undignified you've had a fantastic career you're a talented0.68
01:26:24.920actor totally you have many issues with his scientology associations and all of that but
01:26:29.880without even getting into it just his public persona he's pretty well liked he's seen as a
01:26:34.080very serious actor who's had a very successful career people generally accept his talent so it
01:26:38.620does seem undignified of all things to be selling yourself sexually when you're 64 years old and you
01:26:43.340have that career behind you and it's like tom tom cruise takes off his shirt in a lot of movies we
01:26:49.320saw him with the shirt off and top gun maverick fine like he can show off his fit body if he's
01:26:54.480proud of it that's fine but like here what would have been so wrong with seeing tom cruise in like
01:27:00.320an amazingly cut tom ford suit something that fit him perfectly and he looked like a boss like
01:27:06.800leaning into who he's become now at this point in his career, which is like a Hollywood boss,
01:27:13.540an employer of others, a guy with a string of hits. You know, Yashar Ali is very upset that
01:27:19.900the writer didn't ask him a single question about some of the Scientology controversies.
01:27:23.500And I get that too. But GQ, like it's been 20 years since he sat down with them. And I'm sure
01:27:28.400they were like, you can say whatever you want. We'll agree to not touch whatever you want just
01:27:33.160to get Tom Cruise. I'm just more like, I don't get it. I didn't understand why some of these
01:27:39.520more mature women, Madonna's another one, can't lean into their badass phase that doesn't revolve1.00
01:27:47.260around nudity. I think they are under the impression that the novelty of looking good1.00
01:27:52.840when you're old hasn't worn off because it actually has. Obviously, I think part of what's
01:27:58.640questionable to me about Tom Cruise choosing to do this is you can tell that he has had some
01:28:02.400interventions to make himself look younger and keep looking good. And that's a novelty that is
01:28:07.300totally worn off. We all understand that you can do that now. We understand that you can look good
01:28:12.040at 64 in a way that you couldn't 30 years ago because we didn't have certain technologies that
01:28:17.300we have now that are especially available to the ultra, ultra wealthy. And it's like, if you did
01:28:21.360this in 1990, I guess maybe there would be something different. But doing it in 2026,
01:28:26.260everyone's like, yeah, okay, we get it, dude. You have tons of money. You can pump your face with
01:28:29.580all of the best, like, we get that you can do it. So the novelty, I think, is worn off. And I don't
01:28:35.980know that they fully understand that or have grappled with it yet. And there's also the other
01:28:40.820element of, like, the closer you get to genuinely old, you know, which he's not, 64 is not genuinely
01:28:48.300old. But, like, God rest her. You know, Dolly, she showed, like, the Dallas Cowboys thing. It was
01:28:55.460amazing. It was a feat of nature. Well, not nature, but like, it was incredible that she was in that
01:28:59.780out. But it's also like, it's tough to sell 80 as like your super sexy phase. And I know they're
01:29:08.300trying to revolutionize. I just feel like when I am 80, I really hope to have that pressure entirely
01:29:13.720gone from my life. I really am looking forward to being like, I have so much I want to tell you
01:29:18.960as opposed to show you, you know, that's my own hope. Anyway, all right. You can hear what Emily
01:29:25.960Jasinski has to tell us now, coming soon, 4 p.m. during the darty Mondays and Wednesdays,
01:29:33.560and we will see you in just a bit on the wrap-up show, my friend. Thank you for everything.
01:35:26.220a news helicopter went down right news helicopter went down and uh that is i don't know about i
01:35:32.900don't know about the injuries but um we're just planning everybody out how bad is it i have no
01:35:37.680idea you can see them you see them hi my dear okay so we're we're understanding don't mention
01:35:43.540the name of the network because we don't know and we don't want to sort of alarm people
01:35:47.120and it turns out it was his own network the anchors were stunned as well i mean the loss
01:35:55.040of life is going to be very painful for everybody in the newsroom. Again, just such a tragedy.
01:36:00.120So do we have any idea, Alan, how this could happen? Because, you know, we see these news
01:36:06.100helicopters at scenes like this all the time without incident.
01:36:10.280No, I mean, from what I've seen on the video that you can find on social media is that they
01:36:15.760had some type of engine failure. And, you know, it's a single engine aircraft. So you lose that,
01:36:21.400You have essentially, think of Sully on the Hudson, right?
01:36:24.460You've got one chance to land that thing if you can't restart the engine.
01:36:27.880And they were in an altitude and airspeed profile that really wasn't favorable to successfully landing.
01:36:36.260Can I ask you, because there's a helicopter pilot, well-known, I know the last name's Ter, and forgive me, I don't remember the first name.
01:36:49.300But Ter, who's more than 10,000 flight hours and is owned two helicopters, I think similar to this one, has given an interview with the New York Post and said, I think there was Zoe.
01:37:02.360I think there was a good chance the aircraft could have been brought down safely if the pilot reacted quickly enough.
01:37:08.200I'm going to get a lot of heat over this, but I'm a reporter.
01:37:10.840This is my experience, and I'm seldom wrong when it comes to these situations.
01:37:14.400Now, suggesting that there was something that the video and audio, according to Ter, point to low rotor RPM rather than a hydraulic failure.
01:37:26.980And Ter suggests that low rotor RPM is survivable, like you could have gotten out of it, but not the way this helicopter was positioned.
01:37:37.340Does that, do you understand what Ter is saying?
01:37:38.980Yeah, exactly. Technically, he's correct if you have an antiseptic scene with no wires, no obstacles on the ground. Depends on exactly how high they were flying in the airspeed, which I can't tell from the video.
01:37:52.760But, you know, there's what we call the height-velocity diagram, otherwise known as the dead man's curve, which is for a helicopter, especially a single-engine helicopter, your height above the ground and your airspeed fall within an envelope where the aircraft is capable of maintaining rotor RPM to do what's called an autorotation and, you know, land successfully on the ground.
01:38:16.120In this case, it looked like they were-
01:38:22.740these most dangerous missions for our U.S. military.
01:38:25.260We've talked to you about it on Memorial Day of this past year.
01:38:27.880And you've talked about some of the very hairy landings you've had to do.
01:38:32.220But if you're having an RPM problem with the rotor, with the blades,
01:38:36.820and I guess that means that they start to slow down,
01:38:39.940the way to get out of it, at least according to what I'm reading,
01:38:43.020is potentially to go, what, to go up or to go down?
01:38:48.440So you bring the helicopter down lower.
01:38:50.900You descend quickly in what's called the autorotational aerodynamic phase, which the air blows up through the rotor, spins it, keeps it within the operating RPM.
01:38:59.500When you get to the very bottom, depending on the aircraft type, could be 50 feet, 25 feet, 75 feet, you apply cushion, you apply collective, and that cushions the landing and you land.
01:39:14.660And, you know, it's if you wait too long in the diagnosis, which, you know, it takes, you know, a brief half second or so to realize that you have indeed lost an engine and look for a landing area, which, you know, they were focused on their job, you know, doing the electronic news gathering.
01:39:32.560So, you know, the pilot, you know, had his attention mostly on focusing the camera on the scene.
01:39:39.260so then what you hear is the audio of the rotor system starting to decay as the engine fails
01:39:45.400and then the alarm the alarm goes off you know it lets him know what he's got to do but now he's
01:39:50.020still got to look outside the window find a landing area and successfully put the aircraft
01:39:54.700in that position which at that altitude you know it's you got to be really good in a lot a lot of
01:40:01.620luck really so they needed to be higher in your judgment in order to manage for any potential
01:40:08.800images that i've seen come from their camera which is zoomed in so you know they're probably
01:40:13.800between 500 and 800 feet which is right at the edge of that aircraft's uh height velocity diagram
01:40:20.520so you know they um there's as you point out there's video online we don't have the rights
01:40:27.020to it so we're not showing it but there is that tells us more and the the live or the sound from
01:40:33.500the helicopter suddenly changes in the live feed the engine can be heard winding down an alarm
01:40:38.180begins sounding, and Moreno, the reporter, quietly says, uh-oh. The picture begins dropping as the
01:40:44.300helicopter loses altitude, and then Moreno asks the pilot, you can't pull up. Seconds later, the feed
01:40:50.180ends. There was also at least one report in the LA Times that you can hear sounds consistent with
01:40:59.780the engine changing speed, as well as cockpit advisory tones, though the NTSB has not yet
01:41:05.680determined precisely what failed. So from the sounds that you heard on that video, Alan,
01:41:11.640do you think, are you in agreement with Tura that this looks like an RPM of the rotor problem?
01:41:18.680Yeah. So it's an engine problem, which is, so the engine drives the rotor and by spinning,
01:41:24.040that's how you get air flowing over the rotary wings, right? So on an airplane, you go forward
01:41:28.760as fast as you need to, to get lift. And in a helicopter, you spin the rotors to get that lift.
01:41:34.460so you lose the engine it drags down very very fast you know and you don't have a lot of time
01:41:41.060you know the only the only thing they could do in that case had they had enough altitude or
01:41:45.120nothing in front of them no obstacles is to essentially nose the aircraft over to gain some
01:41:50.940speed which you know will increase your rate of descent which also brings the air up through
01:41:55.600the rotor system to try to get that you know operating rpm back but you know it's tough you
01:42:01.160When somebody makes a successful landing like that, it's like, oh my God, that guy is amazing
01:42:27.120You know, it reminds me, you know, you'll get all kinds of people, you know, with ideas on how they could have done it.
01:42:32.580But I take you back to the Sully situation where, you know, in the investigation they told pilots, you know, they were going to turn to Antetorboro or LaGuardia or whatever they're going to do.