The Megyn Kelly Show - November 02, 2026


Horrifying Plane Crash in Florida, Haley Stevens' SHOCK Switch in Michigan, and Russell Brand's Closing | Ep. 1432

Cornell 7 Case: Criminal Defense Attorney and Sex Crimes Prosecutor Weigh In: In The Well The KEY Election Day Storylines That Matter, with Victor Davis Hanson and Mark Halperin, Plus NEW Details About the Plane Crash | Ep. 1433

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00:00:29.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:41.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Monday. What a week we're about to have together.
00:00:48.620 We are going to have a special report on the stunning plane crash in Florida yesterday in just a bit.
00:00:54.440 We are awaiting an NTSB briefing, and we have our pilots on standby.
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00:01:00.760 We're going to watch that, and then we will dissect exactly how this happened.
00:01:05.680 First, though, it is election eve, and man, were there a ton of interesting developments
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00:03:10.000 Nothing bigger happened over the past 48 hours
00:03:12.460 than politically speaking, than what happened in Michigan.
00:03:15.920 Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I feel like if you're right of center, it's kind of like a popcorn eating moment. But if you're a leftist, you are very, very angry at Haley Stevens right now. Haley Stevens. She was so likable. But no, no longer. She's a Democratic representative, Haley Stevens. She's been forced to give up her seat because she ran for Senate.
00:03:43.740 So she's winding down that congressional office.
00:03:46.560 And the reason she's not in this thing anymore is because she lost to El Syed in the Democrat 0.98
00:03:52.020 primary.
00:03:52.700 And now he's in it, I mean, in this bloody battle against Mike Rogers to the very end.
00:03:58.800 This is one of the most watched races in the country.
00:04:01.640 So she was set to attend a unity event with the Michigan Democratic Senate candidate,
00:04:07.960 Syed, where she was going to, you know, appear with him at this black church with James Clyburn,
00:04:18.240 who's, you know, a god of Democrat politics and was a civil rights figure. And they were going
00:04:24.480 to have this unity event in Michigan. And El Syed needed a unity event, or at least one involving
00:04:30.760 Clyburn, because he's not doing very well with black voters. And he's not doing great with Jewish 0.82
00:04:36.140 voters. And Haley Stevens is, her fiance is Jewish, and he had already come out to say he's
00:04:43.780 not voting for El-Sayed. He's going to vote for Mike Rogers. But she said, I'm voting for Abdul,
00:04:49.800 as she calls him. Okay, but we talked on Friday about her weird statement. Okay, do you remember
00:04:56.080 when we discussed that? She put out this weird preemptive statement saying, I look forward to
00:05:01.860 the event with El-Sayed on Sunday, or he's going to apologize for everything that has upset me
00:05:07.180 on the Israel question. I mean, that's really what she said. I'm only slightly rephrasing it.
00:05:14.240 She wanted him to condemn this ad that Cenk Uyghur of the Young Turks put out suggesting high costs
00:05:19.940 of groceries in Michigan were caused by money we're sending to Israel. And then she also was
00:05:26.660 like, and I expect him to apologize for his own words, El Syed, separate and apart from this ad
00:05:32.980 with which he had nothing to do. I want him to disavow the ad and I want him to apologize for
00:05:37.760 his own words. And I remember when we were talking on Friday saying, um, this sounds a little odd,
00:05:42.200 like is, is Syed really going to do that? And the only reason it was possible is because he has got
00:05:50.540 the anti-Israel vote. They will not be voting Rogers. So was it possible he was going to throw
00:05:57.700 a bone to the Jewish voters of Michigan who are very, very pro-Israel? They're not all Jewish 0.98
00:06:03.140 voters are not a monolith. Some couldn't give two shits about Israel. Some are very upset about 0.99
00:06:09.020 the Israeli government and some care about Israel more than they care about the United States. Some
00:06:14.000 do. Sorry. It's true. Not all some. And, uh, that was the question about whether he'd be throwing a
00:06:21.400 bone to that ladder group and or the middle group, you know, like, Hey, I'm sorry. I hear you.
00:06:29.000 Well, the answer is no, because, um, he came out and said, uh, I don't want her coming to the unity
00:06:37.560 event. I'm going to unify with James Clyburn only. I don't want her. And then by yesterday
00:06:44.180 afternoon, Haley Stevens, whose pinned tweet on her ex account was talking about defeating Mike
00:06:51.320 Rogers and how important that was endorsed Mike Rogers. She endorsed the Republican. All right.
00:06:59.060 Now, it's very funny to me because there are definitely some Democrats who don't like
00:07:09.040 El-Sayed, who are trying to spin this, and some Republicans now as a huge moment.
00:07:14.400 I got to be honest.
00:07:15.560 I have my doubts. 0.99
00:07:16.680 Does anyone give a shit what Haley Stevens says? 0.99
00:07:18.860 Truly, do they care? 0.99
00:07:19.920 I think the Democrats care because they see this as a betrayal, and they're mad she did
00:07:25.400 anything to risk El-Sayed's chances.
00:07:28.060 But does she really have a huge constituency? I think if you're a Michigan voter and you had doubts about El Syed and you normally vote Dem, I suppose this could be permission for you to vote for Mike Rogers, but I doubt it.
00:07:50.320 I just, I don't think she has any influence. Who gives a shit what Daley Steven says? 0.98
00:07:54.960 Ah, that's my own take on it. But watching the drama is highly entertaining. So she decides it 0.99
00:08:03.040 will be a good idea for her to go on with Anderson Cooper last night on CNN. It was amazing. The
00:08:09.100 whole exchange was fantastic. It was like a 15 minute exchange. I felt bad for Anderson. He tried,
00:08:16.560 He tried valiantly to get straight answers out of this person.
00:08:20.940 If you're going to do something like this, like truly an 11th hour change of heart, going from Democrat to Republican, and you were in the Democrat primary, you better be able to explain it very clearly, cogently, and ideally persuasively.
00:08:41.160 But she looked like a deer in the headlights in this interview.
00:08:46.580 She looked terrified that she was there at all.
00:08:50.480 Why'd you go on?
00:08:52.200 And she dodged and weaved like OJ in the airport for the Hertz commercials.
00:09:01.560 Was it Hertz?
00:09:03.000 Anyway, she was jumping over the turnstiles and dodging players left and right,
00:09:07.980 All in order to avoid just answering very basic questions about, you have the pinned tweet.
00:09:17.400 You said on Friday that you wanted people to vote for Abdul El-Sayed and you said you were voting for Abdul El-Sayed.
00:09:28.240 Then a matter of hours passed and you did a complete 180.
00:09:33.700 You didn't just say, I'm not going to vote for him.
00:09:37.120 I'm just not going to vote.
00:09:37.980 You did not say whatever. I'm feeling less than enthusiastic now. You did a 180 and endorsed the Republican. So Anderson Cooper does his best to try to get this gal to say why.
00:09:52.980 By the way, you'll notice her really her Michigander accent, it's kind of waned because
00:10:00.600 now she's talking more like a normal Midwesterner who does have an accent, but didn't dial it
00:10:06.620 up to 11 to try to get people on her side, i.e. she's a phony. 1.00
00:10:12.980 This woman is a phony, which some of us said during the primary. 1.00
00:10:18.780 Whatever. 0.95
00:10:19.480 Here she is with Anderson Cooper. 0.86
00:10:21.060 Watch this.
00:10:21.500 this is about abdul getting angry and angrier and saying i don't want uh these people in my
00:10:29.220 campaign but he didn't get angry i'm not going to stand up when we say he didn't get angrier
00:10:33.520 from midnight last night to this morning so i'm i i mean something changed your mind i'm just
00:10:39.780 curious like was there a specific aspect well anderson you certainly weren't on the phone with
00:10:44.580 uh with me at at at midnight and i don't think i was on the uh the phone either but i have great
00:10:50.300 respect for Congresswoman Dingell. And, you know, she is a pillar of always trying to bring people 0.94
00:10:55.620 together. Just as Senator Slotkin is, by the way. You know, she's carried a lot of water here.
00:11:01.900 She's, you know, going to be our soon-to-be senior senator and things along those lines.
00:11:07.660 The deal is, Anderson, is that, you know what, this is a weight off my shoulders.
00:11:13.060 I'm being straight with everybody. You know, I'm trying to help the Democratic Party.
00:11:17.340 I felt the same way with Plattner and his Nazi tattoo and then the cases of abuse.
00:11:24.040 And I'm just one person here. All right. That's it. And I'm voting for Democrats up and down my ballot.
00:11:30.700 OK, a girl said yesterday. Don't be a part of this. That's fine.
00:11:36.340 I mean, just say it. Just say why you want Mike Rogers now.
00:11:43.320 Here is the truth, I think. Two things.
00:11:47.340 One, she was pissed.
00:11:49.700 He disinvited her.
00:11:51.500 And I don't blame him for disinviting her because rather than making it a unity event,
00:11:57.280 she threw a little hissy fit and demanded that he say all the words she demand he say.
00:12:02.740 Say them out loud. 0.94
00:12:04.440 Apologize. 0.86
00:12:04.980 She pulled a BLM. 0.99
00:12:06.920 Say it. 1.00
00:12:08.020 Say it.
00:12:09.180 Condemn the ad.
00:12:09.980 He had already said, that's not my ad.
00:12:12.040 And I really wish people would stop trying to glom onto my candidacy with their issues. 0.83
00:12:16.560 OK, that's what he said about the Cenk Uyghur ad, which suggested that they couldn't buy groceries in Michigan because of that. 0.98
00:12:24.940 We have to use the money to pay to kill Palestinians in Gaza. 0.93
00:12:31.380 He was she wanted to disavowal. 0.99
00:12:34.020 You know, you have to say it the way I want you to say it.
00:12:36.160 And then you also on top of that need to apologize, apologize for your own words, she said,
00:12:41.300 which she thought had come close
00:12:44.120 to what that ad telegraphed
00:12:47.300 and she didn't like that.
00:12:48.740 Okay, you know what you do
00:12:50.140 when you feel like that,
00:12:51.480 like Haley Stevens felt
00:12:53.160 and demanding all this?
00:12:54.920 You don't say yes to the unity event.
00:12:57.940 You don't.
00:12:58.380 Here's, I'm reading from her statement
00:12:59.780 on Friday.
00:13:01.740 I have learned from Democratic Party leaders
00:13:04.060 that Dr. El-Sayed has heard
00:13:06.880 the deep concerns of the Jewish community
00:13:08.640 and is now,
00:13:10.040 for the first time in this campaign, formerly condemning that ad for what it is.
00:13:15.700 That is why I accepted Congressman Clyburn's invitation to appear with Abdul on Sunday.
00:13:20.880 I urge voters and the press to confirm it with Abdul directly.
00:13:26.020 So she's admitting she just heard it through the third parties and, you know, go pressure Abdul to do it.
00:13:31.380 But the ad did not invent its argument.
00:13:34.940 It dramatized one Dr. El-Sayed has made in his own words.
00:13:40.040 throughout this campaign, that Israel is the reason Michigan cannot afford schools,
00:13:45.460 health care, and child care. The standard here is simple. If those words are wrong when a political 0.97
00:13:50.420 action committee supporting his campaign says them, then they are equally wrong when Abdul
00:13:55.400 says them, and Abdul has said them from the start. I therefore expect him to apologize for
00:14:01.820 those statements as well. Abdul promises to get money out of politics. He can begin by getting
00:14:06.820 Israel out of his explanation for everything Michigan, he can begin by getting Israel out of
00:14:14.600 his explanation for everything Michigan cannot afford. Then she adds, and it is my hope and
00:14:21.080 expectation that out of the same respect for Michigan's black community, he will take down
00:14:26.920 his own advertisement featuring white Christian nationalist Tucker Carlson, an insult to the
00:14:33.100 congregation that will welcome us on Sunday. So you got it. Tucker's got to be condemned.
00:14:39.740 Abdul's got to renounce his own rhetoric on the subject of Israel, a foreign country that is not 0.78
00:14:44.420 the United States of America, that has been behaving very controversially, and it is fine
00:14:49.020 to have negative opinions about, just like we do about our own government. Hello? But no,
00:14:55.040 he's got to disavow his earlier comments. And I'm sure it all has nothing to do with the fact that
00:15:02.020 Haley Stevens has received $39 million from AIPAC, which is the lobby, the lobbying group
00:15:10.840 supporting Israel and its interests. $39 million. So I think that the two offenses that Haley
00:15:20.560 Stevens suffered that caused her to decide she wasn't endorsing Abdul anymore, she's now endorsing
00:15:28.720 Mike Rogers are, one, Abdul was pissed off by her clearly antagonistic statement and said,
00:15:35.220 don't bother coming to the unity event on Sunday. We're good. I don't need you. And two,
00:15:42.360 she's been paid a shit ton of money by a lobbying group that clearly really did want all of those
00:15:48.900 things to be said by El Syed. She couldn't get it. And I know she was under enormous pressure
00:15:53.540 by that group and others to disavow because they've decided that Abdul is an anti-Semite.
00:16:01.860 And look, I don't deny that Abdul's got some very sketchy family connections with the Muslim
00:16:07.740 Brotherhood and so on, but I have not heard him behave in an anti-Semitic way. I think he's got
00:16:14.560 serious problems with Israel, and if in fact he supports the Muslim Brotherhood, they are anti-Semitic.
00:16:20.260 Um, and he did write a letter about Muhammad Morsi, uh, back when, during the Arab spring
00:16:27.320 when he, you know, 15 years ago, but most of the controversy around him involves his family
00:16:32.860 connections, a sister-in-law and somebody else in his family and his mom. Now you can impute those
00:16:37.920 connections to him. That's fine. I have no problem with you doing that, but I'm just saying like
00:16:41.900 to demand that he be denounced because he's allegedly anti-Semitic. Well, we have to hear
00:16:48.960 the specific statements and then you got to prove it. And then you got to prove it to the Democrat
00:16:52.560 party, which itself has the same concerns about Israel as he does. That's why he's winning in 0.87
00:16:57.940 Michigan. Hello. That's why he's running against a Republican neocon. And that issue is extremely
00:17:06.620 stark between the two of them. He, he, Abdul has been totally critical of Israel. Mike Rogers is
00:17:11.920 more of an old school, pro-Israel, Republican neocon. So all of this has been dominating the
00:17:18.960 race and bubbling up to the surface, and it doesn't surprise me at all. Nor does it surprise
00:17:23.140 me that she throws Tucker Carlson under the bus, and it has nothing to do with him allegedly being 0.52
00:17:30.600 offensive to black people. Okay, he's not, so stop it. This is what the left says about anybody
00:17:36.560 who's conservative, never mind on Fox News, she throws him in there clearly as a little,
00:17:43.420 you know, like as a scare because AIPAC hates him too. So he can't go. Abdul can't have an ad.
00:17:49.980 By the way, that ad has Jesse Waters in it. It has Tucker. I think it has Martha McCallum. It
00:17:55.340 has a bunch of like conservative personalities who have interviewed Abdul saying something nice
00:18:00.820 about him in the course of the interview. Please. Hello. That's the price of admission. Jesse
00:18:05.500 Waters gave him a very tough interview, but he was a charming host. Like, calm down. So that's
00:18:12.680 what's happened. And now, instead of talking about affordability in the, you know, 11th hour of this
00:18:19.520 race, the Democrats are talking, it's everywhere, about this intra-party civil war caused by this 0.94
00:18:26.760 crazy lady, this Haley Stevens. And not only has it spun into, okay, who's to blame? What changed 0.99
00:18:38.080 her mind in that couple of hours where she said, okay, I'm going to vote for Abdul still. I still 0.99
00:18:43.400 endorse him. Don't vote for Mike Rogers too. 180, I'm not doing any of that. We don't know.
00:18:48.960 But now it's spun into, is she under the coercive control of her husband or fiance?
00:18:57.760 It's truly, they're trying to make her, if you saw the Elizabeth Holmes documentary,
00:19:02.420 they're trying to make her into Elizabeth Holmes and he's Billy Evans, like a controlling spouse.
00:19:07.320 That's what the accusation against Billy was, as I said to you last Friday.
00:19:12.600 I see it a little differently, but whatever.
00:19:15.640 Like, she has no agency. 0.99
00:19:16.780 This congresswoman is like, oh, someone's got to rescue her from the evil fist of her Jewish fiancee who's voting for Mike Rogers as if she can't figure out her own path forward. 0.90
00:19:31.980 This U.S. congresswoman who's been very strong in her stated beliefs thus far and had been saying she was going to vote Abdul all along. 0.94
00:19:41.140 What was the straw that broke the camel's back?
00:19:43.200 He was mean to her.
00:19:44.220 It's giving Cornell seven vibes.
00:19:46.780 She was she was fine with what happened until they yanked her invitation to the Halloween party. 1.00
00:19:52.560 And then she went jihad on their asses. And that's what what appears to be happening with Haley Stevens. 1.00
00:19:58.120 Abdul told her not to come. And hell hath no fury like a woman whose invitation has been rescinded.
00:20:06.720 That's really what we have seen here in the past 30 to 40 days on two major fronts, one political, one cultural.
00:20:15.740 on the campus of Cornell University.
00:20:19.060 Okay, let's watch a little bit more from this interview
00:20:20.860 because it's really stunning and it's entertaining. 0.99
00:20:24.120 Anderson is trying to get at her reversal,
00:20:28.180 suggesting she knew about that Cenk Uyghur ad
00:20:32.780 when she was still saying she was on Team Abdul
00:20:36.300 and she was going to vote for him.
00:20:37.960 And just so you understand the reference here,
00:20:39.940 Cenk Uyghur started the Young Turks.
00:20:41.220 He works with Anna Kasperi and a friend of our show.
00:20:44.300 His nephew is the controversial podcaster Hassan Piker, who said we deserve 9-11.
00:20:51.920 He's out. 0.99
00:20:52.580 This guy's crazy. 0.98
00:20:53.340 He's way out there on these issues. 0.93
00:20:56.740 Cenk is not as far out there, though he's clearly a fan of Hassan Piker.
00:21:00.920 Here's Exchange and the Sat 17 that I want you to hear next.
00:21:05.300 When you endorsed him, you knew you keep referencing the uncle.
00:21:09.260 I assume you knew about the uncle and whatever else he and Hassan Piker, I guess I still unclear.
00:21:20.720 I mean, it sounds like last night was a really big night where a lot built up what the turning point was.
00:21:27.000 Well, that's your assumption, Anderson.
00:21:29.020 I mean, that's your editorializing.
00:21:30.740 I certainly didn't say that.
00:21:32.760 But you were willing to be at a campaign event for him.
00:21:35.000 You wanted to be at a public event with him up until some point, I guess, yesterday.
00:21:41.820 And it's just an interesting change.
00:21:44.440 And I think a lot of people are curious to try to understand it.
00:21:55.420 Was that a question, Anderson?
00:21:57.660 No, I wanted to see if you wanted to fill in the silence, but you don't.
00:22:00.760 Oh, look.
00:22:02.420 Yeah.
00:22:05.000 Oh, that's how it went. So awkward. So uncomfortable. She did not do well.
00:22:10.900 He asked her about her August post about Mike Rogers. Watch that.
00:22:17.040 Sat 16. Back in August, you posted on social media, quote, Mike Rogers will be another rubber
00:22:23.060 stamp for Donald Trump's dangerous agenda. We can't afford to give MAGA another Senate seat
00:22:28.120 in november how do you why is it okay now why can you afford now to give mega another senate
00:22:35.280 seat in november well why is it okay to have the democratic party and a top nominee that you know
00:22:43.200 ejecting uh you know this type of or injecting rather this type of of anger and lack of kindness
00:22:49.320 that's all i'm okay so okay so it's the you know and i just am telling people how i'm voting and
00:22:54.320 there's others who feel the same way. So the anger and lack of kindness, I'm sorry, I don't
00:22:58.860 want to talk over you. The anger and lack of kindness. No, it sounds like you're upset with
00:23:03.660 me too, Anderson. No, I'm not. I'm just, you're not really answering any of my questions. So
00:23:07.180 it's somewhat frustrating. You're saying the anger and lack of kindness, again, that seems to point
00:23:12.260 to you being disinvited to this event. Is that to you? Correct. Is that his anger and lack of kindness?
00:23:24.320 She just she wouldn't answer. We would have played it for you, but it was another dodge.
00:23:28.440 And I do think it was a tell there where she said, I just don't think it's it's, you know, appropriate or whatever the word was to have him ejecting.
00:23:37.380 That's the tell. That's what she's really mad about. He ejected her.
00:23:41.880 He did not want her to come to his unity event. Who could blame him?
00:23:44.940 Can you imagine if you had won the primary over this ninny?
00:23:49.120 And she was like, I'll go to the uni event as long as you say the following five things exactly as I want you to. 1.00
00:23:55.000 Fuck off. 1.00
00:23:56.080 You lost. 1.00
00:23:56.880 That's what I'd be saying, too.
00:23:58.860 And then she changes it to his sin wasn't ejecting.
00:24:02.420 It was injecting what?
00:24:05.480 Injecting what?
00:24:07.440 Anger and lack of kindness toward her.
00:24:10.900 Toward her.
00:24:12.040 It's all about Haley Stevens.
00:24:13.920 it's very amusing i mean listen the democrats made their own bed i didn't nominate haley stevens 0.99
00:24:22.360 i thought she was bizarre we mocked her endlessly when she sounded like this
00:24:25.860 when she dialed up that michigan accent by about five or six points here it is i am going to be
00:24:33.620 working on our behalf i am going to be telling the stories on our behalf and you better believe
00:24:40.540 I'm going to be doing it with a little bit of joy, a little bit of enthusiasm, a little bit of energy and a little bit of stick it to them, because that's the Michigan way.
00:24:54.460 We tried to warn them. I mean, what what more? They reject our advice.
00:25:00.600 You know, this person should not have been your representative.
00:25:03.160 She should not have been one of your last final candidates.
00:25:06.300 And now because she was like the moderate one, guys, Abdul, he's like DSA. 1.00
00:25:12.380 Last night he was on 60 Minutes arguing to get trannies back into girls sports. 0.99
00:25:16.600 OK, the guy's a problem. 1.00
00:25:20.100 So they could have gone with him or they could have gone with a moderate and they chose as their moderate this nutcase who is she's a phony and she's about herself.
00:25:30.700 And now they are stuck with Abdul, who said this to Ras Duthat on 60 Minutes last night.
00:25:42.100 What about, since this is a flashpoint in these debates, what about the rights of parents to control over their children's education?
00:25:51.940 because a lot of places where there's tension between Islam and Muslim voters and what I'm
00:25:58.980 calling cultural liberalism are around issues like what is taught in school? What happens with
00:26:03.900 transgender kids on sports teams and so on, right? Like, these are places where rights are in
00:26:09.660 conflict, right? What do you think happens there? I don't know that that's actually true. I think we
00:26:14.080 manufacture these social issues, because here's the thing about it. Ross, you have an iPhone in
00:26:17.660 your pocket probably, or is it an iPhone or a Samsung? You have a phone in your pocket, right?
00:26:21.500 you can get access to everything and anything in the whole world, all the world's information in
00:26:26.000 your pocket. The notion somehow that you are going to prevent your child from being exposed to
00:26:31.100 something that you may find disagreeable and that that is going to be because of school is so
00:26:37.700 profoundly outdated. Because of course you have all the information and they have all the
00:26:42.100 information. I mean, I'm just going to say like a lot of the culture war issues that get fought
00:26:45.500 right now are about trying to distract us from the fact that we can't afford our gas, can't afford
00:26:49.560 our groceries, can't see a doctor, are worried about whether or not our kids are going to have
00:26:53.300 a good life. And instead, we're out here talking about who gets to play what sport, which should
00:26:57.940 be the question of the people who govern sports. I'm not running to govern sports.
00:27:02.920 So a dodge. A dodge. He tries to make it sound like those of us who don't want boys and girls
00:27:08.160 sports are really just trying to deprive our children of the knowledge that there are gender
00:27:12.720 confused people running around out there who call themselves trans something. That's not it at all.
00:27:17.780 It's a safety and fairness issue. And he's dishonest. He's lying. But here's one of the
00:27:27.800 many reasons why the Michigan race is so interesting. On the one side, you got Mike
00:27:33.080 Rogers, who, as I say, is your old school neocon Republican. I mean, straight out of the Fox News
00:27:38.380 playbook circa 2010. So pro-Israel. He's reportedly got two people working for him right now,
00:27:46.980 reports DropSite News, and they dropped the receipts on this, who are registered as foreign
00:27:52.120 agents for Israel. Not long ago, the Mike Rogers campaign denied that this person, Abigail Ronson,
00:27:59.140 who's the spokesperson for him, was in fact working for him. But they point out in this
00:28:04.800 well-sourced report that, in fact, she has been making statements as a campaign spokesperson to
00:28:10.880 media outlets, including to DropSite News, using an official Rogers campaign email address.
00:28:15.500 And the New York Times, as recently as this week, also got one from her.
00:28:21.240 So she does work for the Rogers campaign.
00:28:22.980 And there's another one, too.
00:28:24.120 Registered as foreign agents for Israel. 0.54
00:28:26.000 So, I mean, as pro-Israel as you can get on Team Red. 0.79
00:28:30.260 But this is in a state that's more blue.
00:28:33.160 And, you know, the entire Democratic Party and the vast majority, over 80 percent of independents now, are very Israel critical.
00:28:40.400 Very. 0.65
00:28:41.280 Not Jewish critical.
00:28:43.200 and I would urge everybody to understand the difference on that, okay?
00:28:47.780 Whatever your frustrations are about Bibi Netanyahu
00:28:50.900 and what Israel has done in fighting this war, five fronts, and so on,
00:28:55.560 has nothing to do with your average American Jewish person, okay?
00:29:00.760 Nothing. 0.98
00:29:01.720 If there are Jews here in America, there are Christians, 1.00
00:29:05.620 there are others who've decided to make Israel their top issue. 0.87
00:29:09.080 But the vast majority of Jewish Americans are living their own lives,
00:29:12.700 not living or dying based on what happens with Bibi Netanyahu.
00:29:16.840 They're worried about their kids like you and I are.
00:29:18.400 They're worried about having enough money for a vacation here or there.
00:29:21.580 They're worried about paying their health care, all that.
00:29:24.080 So just let's be super clear on the difference.
00:29:28.160 In any event, there's Rogers.
00:29:29.860 On the other side, you got El-Sayed, who has, again, all these ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,
00:29:36.820 which is an extremely controversial organization.
00:29:39.580 and, you know, we've done countless segments with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and others on their connection
00:29:45.760 to Islamicism, you know, Islamicism. I think I'm saying that correctly, but like,
00:29:52.060 if you're an Islamist, that's different from being a Muslim. Now, some people will argue this,
00:29:57.440 but if, I mean, if you are a true devotee and you're really following the edicts of the Quran,
00:30:04.460 You are in seriously controversial territory when it comes to Western values, treatment of women, the separation of church and state, and sure, your feelings in some corners about Jews, and I do mean Jews in this context.
00:30:21.340 So I understand the hesitation, the concern, the questions that some Jewish Americans have about him.
00:30:29.620 But the overwhelming base of the Democrat Party and the independents are very critical of Israel.
00:30:36.060 And they care more about separating our country from that one when it comes to foreign policy decisions and how money is spent and so on than they do about virtually anything else.
00:30:49.160 So Democrats in Michigan are, that's why I think they're leaning toward El-Sayed and away from Mike Rogers. 0.63
00:30:56.680 And that's why they're very angry at Haley Stevens for making this declaration, telegraphing to those pro-Israel Democrat voters who feel really torn, and I get it, that it's okay to vote for the Republican.
00:31:11.460 And while I don't think she's an influential figure, you know, could she have some sway on some swath in the middle in a very, very tight race?
00:31:17.880 potentially, I guess, I guess certainly the Democrat party is reacting like she does because 0.76
00:31:24.500 they're all so mad at her. Though El Sayed in the wake of her endorsement of Rogers has received
00:31:31.160 over a million dollars in new campaign donations. And there is some question about whether it has
00:31:36.220 backfired. So we will see in Michigan how the voters actually feel and how this issue is going
00:31:43.240 to be divided. You know, when I, I don't know what I do in Michigan. I just, I could never
00:31:48.180 pull the lever for El-Sayed, but I am very, very, very over the neocon Republicans, very over.
00:31:54.640 And I look at those two men and I think, okay, El-Sayed wants to endanger my daughter by putting
00:31:59.340 boys in her sports. And Mike Rogers wants to endanger my son by sending him off to go fight
00:32:05.960 another foreign war in the Middle East, because that's what Republican neocons have done,
00:32:10.600 which I am completely against. So I'm glad I don't live there. Um, I vote in Connecticut
00:32:18.040 and I will be voting Republican up and down the line, but I, it's, it's not easy. I mean,
00:32:25.400 here they have no chance. So you actually don't think you're sending anybody anywhere. Um, if I
00:32:31.140 lived in a state like Michigan, I, I just, I hate to say it so cowardly, but I might stay home
00:32:35.540 because I wouldn't want the blood on my hands.
00:32:37.520 I do not support anybody who's going to get us involved 0.99
00:32:41.660 in another Middle East war
00:32:43.360 or ramp up the one that we started under President Trump.
00:32:47.880 I don't.
00:32:49.280 Well, I think Mike Rogers is a good man.
00:32:51.040 He's way too pro-war for me. 1.00
00:32:53.440 And El Syed, he's a fucking kook. 1.00
00:32:55.840 He's a far-left progressive nutcase DSA guy 1.00
00:32:58.540 who is as lunatic left as you can find 0.97
00:33:02.160 on every single cultural and social issue. 0.94
00:33:04.100 He 100% would be voting to pack the Supreme Court, add Puerto Rico and D.C. as states.
00:33:10.720 How could he support that?
00:33:13.360 This is the situation we find ourselves in.
00:33:15.640 It's a binary choice.
00:33:16.800 You've got to rank lessers of two evils or kind of, you know, not voting two is in a way a support of one. 0.96
00:33:25.380 Sucks. 0.65
00:33:26.140 I don't have the answer. 0.98
00:33:27.800 Okay, I want to keep going.
00:33:29.180 I do want to tell you just the final thing about how now her supporters are suggesting that she's under the coercive control of the fiance.
00:33:40.060 Listen to 19.
00:33:41.140 This is former Stevens advisor, Caitlin Lagacki, talking about her relationship with the fiance, whose last name is Turkish.
00:33:49.320 Listen here.
00:33:50.680 I don't know if it's abusive.
00:33:52.180 It's absolutely toxic.
00:33:53.360 um i you know i've spoken to some haley's close personal friends who are concerned that it is
00:33:58.740 emotionally abusive she's increasingly isolated you know her campaign staff is no longer around
00:34:04.600 uh her official staff got cut out of all the decision making and you know they were as
00:34:10.020 surprised as anyone by this so she's on an island with this guy who's like not very nice to her
00:34:16.120 um you know like on the campaign he would always show her the meanest tweets about her 0.98
00:34:22.840 like what the fuck every time somebody would tweet something nasty he would send it to her 0.98
00:34:28.980 and then she would send it to us be like why are they saying this about me and it was just 0.99
00:34:32.360 so clearly designed to spin her up to make her distrustful of the people around her to make her
00:34:39.040 think that nobody actually cared about her so you know she's now isolated from her staff isolated
00:34:44.800 from a lot of her friends in congress like i say isolated from a lot of her friends in michigan now
00:34:50.540 so there's the narrative she doesn't have agency it's the nasty husband who's like
00:34:58.160 coercively controlling her here's a little bit more in 19b this is um her last name's
00:35:03.920 mcmorrow she ran in the primary against syed and um she and and stevens and she lost and also
00:35:11.920 debbie dingles there she's the congresswoman from michigan she actually went on with anderson right 1.00
00:35:16.360 after that Haley Stevens exchange and was like a deer in the headlight. She was scared shitless. 1.00
00:35:21.920 What's wrong with all these women? Own it. Grow up. Own your opinion and spew it. You know, like, 1.00
00:35:27.600 God, it's very frustrating to me to see weak women. I can't stand it. Here's 19B. 1.00
00:35:33.980 I've known Haley for a long time and I don't know her fiance. I don't. But to see
00:35:43.580 him out there so publicly I mean I can only speak for for myself um but my husband and I talked
00:35:50.920 about this and and my husband said if he ever tried to speak for me the way that we see happening
00:35:57.040 now he's like you you would leave me sure uh yeah it's it's hard to watch it is is it hard for you
00:36:05.160 to watch as well congresswoman dingle and we'll get to the issues I just want to yeah it is it's
00:36:10.220 very hard. Haley Stevens told me at midnight last night this was all a rumor and was not true.
00:36:15.880 That she would go with Rogers. Correct. And then five hours later. Correct. She's standing
00:36:20.160 shoulder. She texted me at 745 watching you on MS Now. Heart, heart, heart. And by the way,
00:36:29.160 I talked to look, I'm just upset. I'm very concerned. It's sad, but I don't want to be
00:36:34.780 distracted anymore. But what I said on CNN, she scripted with me and approved last night.
00:36:42.860 OK, so she something made her reverse and they're going to go with it was the husband.
00:36:48.180 Here's a couple more. Former Governor Blanchard, who's a friend of Haley Stevens, describes a
00:36:53.880 surreal 48 hours. Former Michigan Governor Jim Blanchard, longtime friend and supporter of
00:36:58.480 Haley Stevens, says he was having dinner with her on Friday with her and the fiance and that
00:37:04.020 Stevens was excited to attend the church service with Jim Clyburn and Abdul El-Sayed. Now keep in
00:37:09.140 mind, she hadn't received the ejection, to use her word. Oh wait, that was just a mistake. She had not
00:37:15.880 been rejected or stiff-armed by Abdul yet from the Sunday service. Blanchard said that Stevens's
00:37:22.300 fiance, Jason Turkish, began chiding her at the dinner. He was working her over. The way he was
00:37:28.120 saying it was, everyone is disappointed in you. They did everything they could to help you. And
00:37:32.920 then immediately after you lose the primary, you endorsed him. He was all distraught, he said. He
00:37:38.880 was all strung out about Abdul. I let her know he's not a good influence. Oh, thanks, former
00:37:45.260 Governor Blanchard, for telling me my fiancé's not a good influence on me. I'm sure that went
00:37:49.660 over well. Blanchard remained in touch with Stevens throughout the weekend and expected her
00:37:53.840 to attend the church service. He only found out from the news that she was at the service with
00:37:59.320 Rogers and endorsing him. Something snapped in her. She's going to be unsnapped in the next week
00:38:06.740 and it snapped in 24 hours. Blanchard told Zach Gorchow of state affairs, and I don't know what
00:38:13.740 Blanchard clearly pained by the situation said several times, this is not the Haley I know
00:38:19.120 and lamented Turkish's quote, terrible political judgment. One more for you. Jordan Acker, by the
00:38:26.820 her former campaign manager and half of her staff has left immediately. They were so horrified that
00:38:32.500 she endorsed Mike Rogers. I mean, I don't blame them. It's like if you were working for Donald
00:38:37.340 Trump and then suddenly Donald Trump said, you know what, I'm not endorsing J.D. or Marco. I'm
00:38:41.960 endorsing AOC. He'd probably flee his administration too. That's how they see it.
00:38:48.800 This person, Jordan Acker, is serving as a regent at the University of Michigan. He's a former
00:38:55.360 attorney in the Obama administration, says he's a friend of Haley Stevens. Posted the following on
00:38:59.180 X. Yesterday morning, afternoon, and evening, I spoke with Haley several times. At 8.58 this
00:39:05.820 morning, she told me she intended to remain silent. I don't know. This had to be yesterday
00:39:10.840 morning because it was yesterday that she announced she was going for Rogers. I don't know what
00:39:14.380 changed in the two hours that followed. I want to believe she was being truthful with me. I've known
00:39:19.920 her fiance, Jason Turkish, for years. I respect him as a brilliant lawyer and advocate for disabled
00:39:25.160 Americans. He's legally blind. But I've become deeply troubled by his behavior. I've heard
00:39:29.820 serious concerns about the treatment of Haley's staff, friends, and allies. My own experiences
00:39:34.700 have only deepened those concerns. It's painful to watch someone you care about go through something
00:39:38.680 like this. It is even more painful to worry about the influence of those close to her.
00:39:43.860 I don't know what happened this morning, and I won't pretend that I do. Haley is my friend. I'm
00:39:48.760 deeply concerned for her well-being. She deserves dignity, independence, and the freedom to make
00:39:54.220 her own decisions. Oh, come on. This is ridiculous. Haley, blink twice if you're in there. Can you
00:40:01.940 see me? Say Michigander. Like, come on. This is ridiculous. Her friends are so worried she's 0.91
00:40:08.280 being heave hoed right out of the Democratic Party, which is what's happening, that they're
00:40:12.200 trying to blame the Jewish fiance, who was the first to say he was voting for Rogers. Come on.
00:40:18.280 This is ridiculous. Blah, blah, blah, blah. It goes on for here. Turkish, by the way, is president and managing partner of Nyman Turkish PC, which is a law firm specializing in litigation, disability law and social security claims. 0.99
00:40:32.200 They met, he and she, after the 2022 election cycle through a mutual friend. Their first conversation centered on tax credit legislation like all great romances do.
00:40:43.100 So Stevens was pursuing this legislation to help seniors and people with disabilities
00:40:50.100 make their homes more accessible.
00:40:51.680 A friendship developed, with the pair talking regularly, turned romantic in early 2026.
00:40:57.760 Amid Stevens' Senate campaign, they decided to marry in May, but waited until after the
00:41:02.180 primary to announce their engagement.
00:41:05.640 And as I mentioned, he is Jewish.
00:41:07.620 His father was born in Israel, where their relatives still live, and his grandparents
00:41:12.040 were Holocaust refugees. The two of them planned a trip to Israel to meet survivors of the 10-7
00:41:17.760 attacks, including visiting the site of the music festival targeted in southern Israel.
00:41:23.360 He lives in a suburb of Detroit. There you go. That's the latest from the Michigan race.
00:41:31.480 I want to keep going because there's a lot of other news happening today. Jeez, where do I
00:41:36.280 begin. Um, it doesn't look good. The latest polls, as I mentioned, are absolutely dreadful
00:41:41.900 for Republicans. Um, if you look at the latest polls, you will just feel depressed. I have to
00:41:49.100 tell you, it's basically Dems plus four, five up to seven in virtually every single race,
00:41:56.720 except for Alaska and possibly Iowa. Um, so the thing of like the last breaking minute thing,
00:42:04.140 It's happening. And they're all breaking toward the Democrats. OK, so that's could be a bloodbath
00:42:08.920 tomorrow. If it's not, polling is dead. The Alaska Senate race, the fake Dan Sullivan,
00:42:17.780 you know, the one who is like in the remote town who got recruited by the Peltola campaign.
00:42:22.560 She's the dem to run against the incumbent Republican senator, Dan S. Sullivan. He's missing.
00:42:29.540 He scrammed.
00:42:33.260 You cannot make it up.
00:42:35.640 The Daily Mail reports that he has disappeared from the tiny fishing town of Petersburg where he lives as of earlier this week.
00:42:45.820 We have no idea where he is.
00:42:47.780 A source told CBS that she saw him flying to Anchorage on Monday, just days before the bombshell reports accused or broke the story.
00:42:57.220 His final destination, however, remained and remains unclear.
00:43:02.740 They point out in this piece that other Petersburg residents, this is his town where he lives
00:43:06.800 in Alaska, never received any campaign ad materials, not a single flyer, not a single
00:43:13.440 brochure from the former school teacher.
00:43:17.680 One fisherman told CBS, I don't think it's a serious candidacy.
00:43:23.300 I have not seen a platform.
00:43:24.560 You've caught on, sir.
00:43:25.440 Good for you.
00:43:26.800 Another called Dan J. Sullivan, the faker, a hoaxer, or as the Daily Mail refers to him, 0.78
00:43:33.680 Dan Sullivan 2.0, which I liked.
00:43:37.220 So he's out, but he's still on the ballot.
00:43:40.460 So it doesn't really matter where he is, except if they need to arrest him, which they might
00:43:45.740 because the Trump administration is seriously looking into both a civil lawsuit and a criminal
00:43:52.620 probe.
00:43:53.800 Both of those, the U.S. attorney for the District of Alaska, Michael Heyman, confirmed.
00:43:59.460 Both a civil lawsuit and a criminal probe, although not mentioning the specific crime that's being investigated.
00:44:05.720 There are many.
00:44:06.320 The best one that people have mentioned is the conspiracy against rights,
00:44:09.400 where you conspire to deprive someone of their constitutional right.
00:44:13.860 That seems to be the favorite.
00:44:15.340 Jonathan Turley on Fox News.
00:44:17.880 Do we have that, you guys?
00:44:18.720 Can you bring that over?
00:44:20.020 He was on Fox News late last week outlining, you know, some of the serious problems that
00:44:28.960 this behavior has raised.
00:44:30.880 Mary Peltola came out.
00:44:32.820 NPR had a soundbite of her explicitly saying she didn't know about it.
00:44:36.380 That's the first we've heard her say that because her chief of staff, who she fired,
00:44:42.660 is the main source for all this.
00:44:44.260 And it's not just some bitter ex-employee. 1.00
00:44:46.120 she provided the New York Times with text messages and emails and dates and other people 0.99
00:44:51.580 who could confirm the meetings, the many meetings Mary's top, top staffers were having in order to
00:44:57.500 make this happen. And she wants us to believe she had nothing to do with it. Well, we'll see about
00:45:01.340 that. We will see because the U.S. attorney and their investigators have subpoena power.
00:45:07.620 So it's not like the New York Times. They actually can make Mary Poltola answer these questions
00:45:12.760 under oath and can get her emails and her text message and her entire cell phone, for that
00:45:17.800 matter. She's in a lot of trouble. And Dan S. Sullivan, the incumbent senator, actually seems
00:45:24.240 to be benefiting a bit from this whole controversy because Alaskans are pissed. She's a liar at a 1.00
00:45:29.900 minimum. She's been saying all along the campaign had nothing to do with it. And now she's been 0.99
00:45:35.100 outed. And I don't believe her that she didn't know anything about it. Do you? I mean, do you
00:45:38.920 believe that? I don't believe that for one second. She knew. You're telling me the chief of staff
00:45:42.220 And all these staffers are working on it. And she has no idea. Like, gee, where are the staff? What meeting are they having? Bull. It's not some huge thing either. It's not like she had 200 staffers. It's like a small group who worked directly for her. She knew she had to have known. Here's Turley on Fox last Friday.
00:45:59.040 These 30 subpoenas is equivalent of a saturation bombing campaign.
00:46:03.960 30 subpoenas is a lot.
00:46:05.980 And they are hitting every possible target here,
00:46:09.620 which is one of the reasons why the lawyers of this campaign should remove themselves immediately
00:46:14.740 because they're going to have to lawyer up.
00:46:17.140 But most importantly, they have a conflict of interest at this point that is probably insurmountable.
00:46:22.580 Now, putting a decoy candidate on the ballot is not a crime.
00:46:26.440 but filing things about that action concealing it can be you can trip a lot of wires here
00:46:34.760 now that the subpoenas are out there's gonna be a lot of people talking to federal investigators
00:46:39.620 saying false things the federal investigators is a darling of prosecutors it's a violation
00:46:46.020 of 18 usc 1001 and some of these people are going to cooperate mary mary
00:46:54.560 they're closing in. It's getting a little hot in here, isn't it? It's getting hot in Alaska.
00:47:01.480 So that will conclude the amount of good news there is for Republicans in advance of tomorrow
00:47:07.460 night. I'll give you the polls. The final New York Times polls, Texas has Tallarico up seven
00:47:13.480 over Paxton. Michigan, they're showing El Sayed up 11 over Mike Rogers. Maine, the cousin stupper,
00:47:22.200 Troy Jackson up six over Susan Collins. The article does note polls are imperfect. Six years
00:47:29.900 ago, Ms. Collins had trailed in every survey before the election, and she still won reelection 0.69
00:47:34.420 comfortably. That's certainly a dynamic for her in particular. So do not count Susan Collins out, 1.00
00:47:40.540 especially over that dude. Ohio, they've got Sherrod Brown up five over John Husted. Nobody
00:47:47.720 knows who John Husted is. He took J.D. Vance's seat when he went to be Trump's VP. All we know
00:47:53.620 is that he has a nice ass and Trump really admires it. Truly, that's what people know about 1.00
00:47:57.580 John Husted. Sherrod Brown was the Democratic senator before. People still think that he's
00:48:03.400 the senator. He's got very strong name recognition out there. And unfortunately, that may be helping
00:48:09.120 him as he's up five over Husted. Kansas, Adam Hamilton up five over Roger Marshall. So Adam
00:48:17.340 Hamilton is the preacher who he's running as a Democrat, but he used to be a Republican. He's,
00:48:22.720 you know, very moderate to put it mildly. He's apparently very well liked, like universally
00:48:29.140 well liked and has a real shot in Kansas, even though they haven't elected a Democrat to the
00:48:34.580 U S Senate in a hundred years. Let me tell you what Roger Marshall did this week in this making
00:48:40.140 bad headlines. They unleashed an attack on him saying, okay, he's a doctor that he went after
00:48:47.040 some patience with bill collectors and actually like sicked criminal penalties on some of them.
00:48:54.020 You get negative ads. I don't know. Like some of them you respond to if they really hurt you.
00:48:58.880 Most you just kind of let. That's what I do. People launch negative attacks on me all the time.
00:49:03.620 99% of them I just ignore and they go away and that's fine. Um, this guy went to his staff and
00:49:08.660 said, we got to respond. We got to respond. And they reportedly said, no, no, no, no, no, Roger.
00:49:12.280 We don't got to respond. Just there's so much coming at the voters right now. Just stay on
00:49:16.460 message, positive stuff. What are you going to, what are you going to do for the voters?
00:49:19.980 And he apparently did this himself, hired the camera crew, cut it himself and released it
00:49:25.880 himself. When you watch the first couple of lines, you're like, Oh, I see why he did it.
00:49:29.380 Then you get to them about like 15% in and you're like, Holy shit. Now I see why they told him not 0.98
00:49:34.940 to watch. I'm Dr. Roger Marshall. And you should know the truth about Adam Hamilton's ads.
00:49:41.080 Their fault's plain and simple.
00:49:43.120 When I practiced as a small-town OB doctor, often serving as the only OB in the middle of 40,000 people,
00:49:49.480 my wife and I decided to take care of everyone regardless of their ability to pay.
00:49:54.320 We wrote off hundreds of bills monthly, and one of every five patients received free care.
00:49:59.400 Now, to ensure that 40,000 Kansans would still have access to care, we did have to keep the lights on,
00:50:04.500 so we occasionally handed some accounts over to a collection agency,
00:50:07.680 just like nearly every private medical practice does.
00:50:11.140 To be crystal clear, the Kansas Bill of Rights ensures that no one can go to prison because of indebtedness.
00:50:16.560 And I would never wish that on any patient I had the privilege to serve.
00:50:20.380 My involvement in any patient's account ended the minute it was turned over to an outside agency.
00:50:25.460 I never had anyone arrested, not once, and Adam Hamilton knows it.
00:50:29.300 Kansas deserves to know the truth, and now you do.
00:50:33.960 Sir, that was not a good idea.
00:50:36.460 is so defensive. And of course it only amplifies the negative attack on him. So it's really not
00:50:44.620 a good idea. Not a good idea, sir. Okay. He is down, as I said, five points to this Adam Hamilton,
00:50:56.960 who seems like a smart bet at the moment. In Alaska, I mentioned Alaska and Iowa,
00:51:02.340 the only two places with good information for Republicans, showing Peltola up two over Sullivan
00:51:07.700 in Alaska. That's margin of error, of course. Iowa showing Josh Turek up one over Ashley Hinson.
00:51:14.140 I have yet to find anybody who doesn't think Ashley Hinson, the Republican, is going to win.
00:51:17.900 So that would be the safer bet there. There's much more to discuss. We'll put a pause in it
00:51:22.560 for now because we've got to take a break, but we will be right back. Don't go away.
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00:53:12.260 verify any output from Harvey. Update for you now on the Ilhan Omar saga. The New York Post
00:53:22.040 got its hands on the marriage application,
00:53:27.360 the marriage license that she had to fill out
00:53:29.860 when she was marrying her alleged brother,
00:53:33.560 the Bresbend, back in 2009.
00:53:35.720 Okay, so that this would have been,
00:53:38.260 I mean, according to her, her name was Ilhan Omar,
00:53:40.940 marrying Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi.
00:53:44.080 They got their hands on a certified copy
00:53:47.100 from the Hennepin County, Minnesota government
00:53:49.440 that shows, they say initially, her surname was written as Omar, and then you will see on this
00:53:56.540 graphic she crossed it out and replaced that with Elmi. Then it looks like a final edit reverted it
00:54:04.060 back to Omar again. My friends, she did not know what her name was. She was not able to fill out
00:54:14.860 a basic form from the look of it. She's got Ilan very clearly over there on the left. So it's not
00:54:21.680 like she thought this was the line for the husband's name. She writes Ilan and then she
00:54:27.380 cannot decide on the middle name and the last name. And you can see there, sure enough, there
00:54:35.660 is an Omar. See where it says Omar over on the far right? Well, two below that, there's two things
00:54:40.720 crossed out right below it. One looks like Elmi, and the thing below that looks like Omar again.
00:54:47.680 So it's like she and Abdullah, Abdullah Ahi is her alleged middle name under her Ilhan Omar
00:54:57.100 moniker. It's Ilhan Abdullah Ahi Omar. So she decided ultimately to go with the name that she
00:55:05.480 had, that she's been using, that I assume she got her naturalized citizenship under. But you can see
00:55:12.060 even this woman doesn't know what her middle name is. And the first attempt seemed to do the same
00:55:17.080 thing. She used to, it seems like the first crack at it was Ilhan Abdullah Ahi Omar. Then she
00:55:25.220 crossed out Abdullah Ahi Omar and appears to have written something Elmi. I think it's probably
00:55:32.960 Saeed, because the name is Nur Saeed Elmi, though I can't read what's scribbled out there.
00:55:38.160 And ultimately, she goes back to that name of Ilhan Abdullahi Omar. This is incredible. I mean,
00:55:46.040 the woman doesn't even know her name. But here's the problem. She didn't want to lie
00:55:51.280 on an official document. So she clearly was wrestling with which one to put down. This is
00:55:58.120 just one pea in a whole soup of peas that will ultimately be felt by Ilhan Omar when the full
00:56:06.880 extent of the law comes down against her. The criminal investigation remains underway. And
00:56:12.060 speaking of criminal investigations, there is news now in the case of Thomas Markle Sr., the father
00:56:18.900 of Meghan Markle, who's married, of course, to Prince Harry. The Daily Mail, as we came to air
00:56:24.200 on Friday had discovered a trove of boxes and materials containing what it said were clear
00:56:32.100 child sexual abuse materials in Thomas Markle's abandoned Rosarito, Mexico storage unit.
00:56:40.360 They got access to it because if you have one of those units and you stop paying and you are
00:56:44.400 considered to have abandoned it, it's basically somebody else's to grab. And they rolled the dice
00:56:50.700 and got lucky down there as journalists.
00:56:52.980 Well, now Mexican authorities have gone into the unit.
00:56:57.280 And the Daily Mail reports that Guardia Nacional officers
00:57:01.280 who identified themselves as state sex crimes investigators
00:57:04.860 swooped in on the five foot by 10 foot vault
00:57:07.900 three miles from Thomas Markle's former home in Rosarito
00:57:11.160 just after midnight local time a day ago.
00:57:14.860 It was rented to her father in 2017.
00:57:18.480 He fell behind in the payments two years ago.
00:57:21.040 He moved to the Philippines in early 2025 without emptying the storage facility.
00:57:26.000 The Daily Mail's tip-off prompted an immediate investigation involving both U.S. and Mexican officials.
00:57:33.160 As we reported to you first last week, FBI agents are working out of the Tampa field office that was broken by the MK Show,
00:57:39.520 close to the Lakeland, Florida, senior living residence where Thomas Markle is staying
00:57:45.840 after having his left leg amputated in December 2025 in the Philippines.
00:57:51.340 Obviously, the FBI would have jurisdiction if he is currently in the United States, which he is,
00:57:55.780 and is suspected of having child sexual abuse material on him here,
00:57:59.980 or we would be working with our foreign partners if they had a viable criminal case against him
00:58:04.820 and needed assistance in making an arrest.
00:58:09.520 The Daily Mail reports that also involved are Southern California-based FBI officials whose
00:58:14.140 job it is to coordinate law enforcement activity with their counterparts south of the border.
00:58:19.040 Rosarito is apparently only 10 miles south, so not too far from California.
00:58:24.360 A copy of the search warrant has been obtained by the mail.
00:58:27.260 It reveals investigators were authorized by a judge to look for, quote, evidence consisting
00:58:31.320 of child sexual abuse material and the alleged commission of the crime of human trafficking
00:58:36.440 in its aggravated form.
00:58:39.520 One agent visibly recoiled and declared, 0.99
00:58:44.300 ay, cabron, a Spanish phrase that can mean holy crap or oh damn 0.98
00:58:48.900 while viewing the material, according to an onlooker. 0.98
00:58:51.820 It's no joke.
00:58:52.520 A lot of these guys, and it can be women too,
00:58:56.060 but who work in child sexual abuse units can have serious emotional problems.
00:59:05.600 They don't last very long.
00:59:07.220 I mean, imagine if this were your job.
00:59:09.520 You had to look at these images all day, and you did it in order to catch bad guys. 0.95
00:59:14.160 But unlike these perverts, you found it nauseating.
00:59:18.960 You know, you recoiled upon even just a few images of it, like this guy did,
00:59:23.300 although it seems like there were more than a few in the storage facility.
00:59:26.040 But imagine if this were your job all day, every day.
00:59:30.120 It's no wonder they don't last long in these units.
00:59:33.240 So this cop, obviously disturbed by what he found,
00:59:36.980 They itemized all the material, a computer, thumb drives, VHS tapes, a stack of magazines before closing up and sealing the unit.
00:59:43.740 Now they say that the public prosecutor in Mexico will submit a written report to the court within one day, but it is expected it will take weeks to examine all of the seized items.
00:59:55.540 Now, Thomas Markle, just before Saturday morning's raid, was spotted being pushed between care homes in Florida.
01:00:02.680 He told the Daily Mail on Saturday, I had no storage units in Rosarito.
01:00:08.380 By the way, there are some reports now that he is saying he has dementia.
01:00:13.340 He was accompanied by his daughter, Samantha Markle, and her boyfriend, Mark Phillips.
01:00:18.460 Mark Phillips decided to speak with the press, defending his girlfriend's father,
01:00:23.540 as Samantha sat nearby but did not speak, reports the Mail.
01:00:26.660 He said, quote, the only statement that you're going to get
01:00:29.960 is that Thomas Markle doesn't even have fingerprints on the stuff in the Philippines.
01:00:35.100 He didn't even ever touch it the whole time it was there.
01:00:38.560 He can't be charged.
01:00:40.400 Markle never had it in Mexico either, he says.
01:00:43.440 The FBI has no jurisdiction in Mexico.
01:00:46.680 Thomas Markle Sr. hasn't lived in the States in 10 years.
01:00:50.880 Even if there was bad material, then the statute of limitations ran out five years ago. 0.98
01:00:56.420 This is all bullshit. 0.99
01:00:58.660 Okay. 1.00
01:00:59.960 Remember the old too many excuses means no excuse?
01:01:04.040 We're there.
01:01:05.500 There's no fingerprints in the Philippines.
01:01:07.760 He never touched it. 0.87
01:01:09.500 He never had the stuff in Mexico.
01:01:12.480 The FBI has no jurisdiction there.
01:01:14.240 He's lived outside of the states for the past 10 years.
01:01:17.400 But even if there was bad material, the statute of limitations has run. 0.99
01:01:21.260 This is all bullshit. 0.98
01:01:22.900 Call her me skeptical on the Samantha Markle boyfriend claims. 1.00
01:01:27.900 They've got a lot to deal with.
01:01:29.180 Then there was this report in the UK Times that Meghan allegedly wanted to go public in 2019, which, you know, she's been telling that story since the news broke two Fridays ago about her father, quote, but was advised by the police not to do so.
01:01:45.940 Now, this is parlaying on something she's already claimed, that she was shown this letter by the Metropolitan Police and that through a friend she got out that she was allegedly told to stay quiet, which we don't believe because the Met wasn't investigating it.
01:02:01.880 Why would they tell her to stay quiet? All they had was the ramblings of a first wife who was an alcoholic, embittered, and apparently was a seven-page single-space letter that was like really ranting and raving.
01:02:14.600 So it seems like one of those things
01:02:16.560 where the Metropolitan Police felt like
01:02:18.200 they had to forward it on to Megan.
01:02:20.360 But like, it's starting to make a little bit more sense now
01:02:23.620 why it wasn't an all hands on deck situation.
01:02:26.260 And it doesn't sound like they necessarily
01:02:27.740 believe this woman.
01:02:28.920 That doesn't excuse them.
01:02:30.440 I'm just trying to understand their decision
01:02:34.620 not to treat this as very serious.
01:02:37.240 Seven pages handwritten, delivered by post in January 19
01:02:40.360 to the Met's Fixated Threat Assessment Center.
01:02:43.480 This is all very curious. 1.00
01:02:44.800 I mean, how does this allegedly alcoholic first wife
01:02:47.220 who's elderly and rambling and bitter 1.00
01:02:49.220 know to target the fixated threat assessment center
01:02:53.960 within Scotland Yard, within the Metropolitan Police?
01:02:57.340 That doesn't make sense to me.
01:02:59.500 Megan would have known that.
01:03:01.160 So what happened? 1.00
01:03:02.060 Did the first wife, Rosalind Loveless, 0.74
01:03:03.900 contact Megan and say,
01:03:05.420 I've got to tell somebody this stuff.
01:03:08.140 And Megan said, send it to them.
01:03:09.500 So I've got cover.
01:03:10.400 I don't know what happened here,
01:03:11.380 But there is zero chance that Rosalind Loveless knew exactly to whom to send this letter, given her alleged state.
01:03:21.620 She alleges in this letter, reports this publication, again, I'm reading here from the UK Times, that Thomas Markle had sex with a child in the U.S.
01:03:37.520 Now, that we did not know.
01:03:39.700 We know from Megan's breakup letter that she sent to her dad that was read to him when he was in the Philippines getting his leg removed in December of 2025.
01:03:48.080 In that letter, she accused him of molesting children, which we assumed she got from Rosalind Loveless's letter of January 19.
01:03:56.380 But now this is the first time we've heard that Loveless accused Markle of having sex with a child in America and that he regularly traveled to the Philippines and Thailand because he claimed that 12-year-olds are legal there.
01:04:09.420 That we had heard, that she was alleging that in the letter.
01:04:12.640 They write that it's understood that Megan, 45, was handed the letter by one of her royal bodyguards who assured her, quote, leave it with us, we'll investigate it.
01:04:22.240 Okay, so now it's a bodyguard who gave her the letter? Because the information on this has been
01:04:28.820 all over the board. You know, she alleged that someone wrote to the Metropolitan Police and that
01:04:35.920 she was given the letter. Then she had third parties, clearly, go to the newspapers and say
01:04:40.660 she was told that it was being investigated and to stay quiet. We, among others, called bullshit 0.99
01:04:46.800 on that, saying why would the Metropolitan Police say that to her when we now know they were not 0.94
01:04:50.520 investigating. They were never investigating. And now we get this, that one of her royal bodyguards
01:04:57.040 said, quote, leave it with us. We'll investigate it. So she thought her royal bodyguard was going
01:05:04.860 to investigate her father, who was living in the Philippines at the time. No, in Rosarito, Mexico
01:05:11.360 at that time, and then moved on to the Philippines. Does that make sense? Doesn't to me.
01:05:18.920 do not get it at all. The same officer is said to have advised the Duchess not to go public at a
01:05:27.000 time when she was being criticized for cutting ties with her father without any explanation.
01:05:30.980 On Saturday night, the Metropolitan Police, which did not investigate,
01:05:35.660 was still trying to identify and track down the officer. This group would only have been
01:05:43.920 interested in what it meant for the security of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Having assessed
01:05:49.640 that, they should have thought about the wider consequences. I don't know to whom this quote
01:05:56.040 is attributed. We should find out. But look, this is raising more questions now. Which royal body
01:06:03.140 guard? Who? Is it somebody who works for the royal family to this day? Because if that person told
01:06:08.560 her, allegedly, that leave it with us, we'll investigate it? Did the palace investigate it?
01:06:16.340 What did they know? And when did they know it? Why should we let them off without a
01:06:20.600 scratch on them? If they knew, if the royal bodyguard, who clearly works for the royal family,
01:06:27.300 knew and said that, they need to do a full investigation on who it was and whether that's 0.90
01:06:33.660 true or whether this is just bullshit leaked to the UK times by people trying to cover for 0.86
01:06:41.340 Meghan Markle and, and, you know, who's in a lot of trouble over admitting that she knew that she 0.86
01:06:48.760 knew that was a policing source as my team who said the business about, um, this unit would only
01:06:56.800 have been interested in what it meant for the security of the Duke and Duchess. And they should
01:07:01.340 have thought about the wider consequences. So again, who within the unit, who, and do they
01:07:06.680 admit that they told her? And all of this is secondary because the real bottom line is whether
01:07:12.680 they told her any of this or not, she knew for seven years that there was no outcome. Why didn't
01:07:19.140 she go back and figure out what was what? Why didn't she go back and say, what happened with
01:07:24.700 the investigation that you told me you were conducting? Was he guilty or not? Is an arrest
01:07:30.260 coming or not? Why or why not? This she cannot answer, which is why I believe she's just having
01:07:37.740 random friends leak things to the Daily Mail. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, right?
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01:08:43.580 I want to bring you the latest in the Russell Brand trial. We are also standing by for this
01:08:52.480 NTSB presser on what happened with the horrific crash of that Learjet in Palm Beach County,
01:09:01.460 Florida yesterday. It happened just eight miles from the president's Florida home
01:09:05.780 at Mar-a-Lago, and there were nine souls on board, we are told, two crew, we believe,
01:09:14.660 and seven passengers. We are awaiting details on exactly how it happened and what the investigation
01:09:23.440 looks like. It should be underway any moment now, and when we get that information, we will bring
01:09:28.720 it to you. And we also have our official pilot guest standing by who's going to walk us through
01:09:35.440 what actually happened here. First, though, I want to get into what has happened in the Russell
01:09:40.540 Brand trial, which has now gone to the jury. The jurors have been dismissed for the day,
01:09:46.340 so they're not actually deliberating it yet. Keep in mind, the UK is a few hours ahead of us, but
01:09:50.500 they've recessed, and the defense and the prosecution are officially done.
01:09:56.620 So how about that? I think in total, this was four weeks. It was supposed to take eight or nine,
01:10:00.220 took four. And it's very difficult to assess the closing arguments without having been in the room
01:10:09.200 because the way a lawyer communicates, the way he or she argues, the way they use inflections on
01:10:18.240 their words and so on matters. Also, who's got a better relationship with the jury? Who's been
01:10:24.640 more charming. You know, we saw that with Kevin Reddington. Now we know that that jury was made
01:10:30.480 up of a bunch of crazy leftist loons, but they bonded with him and the prosecutors in that case 0.83
01:10:36.500 were lackluster and they were tough to bond with, but he was very good. I mean, I would never take 0.80
01:10:42.160 that away from him. I don't buy his argument, but he's an excellent lawyer. He knew how to behave
01:10:47.940 in front of a jury. And the question here is, how are they behaving? I imagine everything in a
01:10:53.600 British accent and with polish and with some level of charm. But of course, it's an uphill
01:11:00.500 battle for Russell because it's very tough to charm your way out of multiple rape and sexual
01:11:06.860 assault allegations. So his lawyer has got a steeper mountain to climb. Let's go through what
01:11:12.920 we know. We gave you the prosecution's closing on Friday. If you care to hear about that,
01:11:17.600 you can go back and listen to that show. It's on YouTube right now. First, and not just first,
01:11:23.600 But throughout, the defense lawyer hit on the so-called documentary.
01:11:29.900 I mean, can I tell you, this is like, this seems to be their main overall defense.
01:11:33.120 And while I have to tell you, like, I don't find that persuasive as a defense, I think it's a clever move because it's exactly the kind of thing that if you're looking to let Russell Brand off, you could make the argument in the jury room.
01:11:46.260 It was the documentary.
01:11:47.580 It was that dispatches program.
01:11:49.580 That's the name of it.
01:11:50.540 Um, that's, that's what misled people. That's what made women reimagine their encounters with 1.00
01:11:57.620 him. It is the one thing that gives the jury permission to reject all six women's accounts
01:12:03.560 if they're leaning that way, but don't feel they can because of the evidence, et cetera.
01:12:08.880 So it is a clever move. I see why they're doing it. I see how the so-called documentary was very
01:12:15.900 unfair to Russell, believe me. I just think it's tough to suggest six women saw it and were
01:12:25.760 suddenly rejiggered into reimagining something that they thought was consensual into now suddenly
01:12:32.520 it's rape. I'm more persuaded by Russell's political evolution, causing some women to 0.99
01:12:39.080 reimagine what happened between themselves and Russell. But whatever, that's just me. I'm not
01:12:43.380 on the jury. So, you know, who cares? Who cares whether I'm persuaded? Let me give you the
01:12:50.040 highlights here. His lead barrister, Ian Winter, recites an 1864 quote from philosopher John
01:12:57.320 Newman. What I insist upon here. No, I can't do it. Now that I am bringing this portion of my
01:13:02.100 discussion to a close is this unmanly attempt of his in his concluding pages to cut the ground
01:13:07.540 from under my feet. This I call poisoning the wells. He points to the dispatches program
01:13:14.180 as having poisoned the well of justice. He tells the jury that Russell had consensual sexual
01:13:20.140 encounters with many, many women asking jurors to put out of your mind and any distaste you may
01:13:25.580 feel for the way he lived his life. That way of living is not criminal. He urges them to do what
01:13:31.000 the journalists totally failed to do, put all condemnation completely out of the mind and apply
01:13:36.660 pure cold logic to the question, are we sure on the evidence we have seen Brand did do what is
01:13:43.380 alleged? He criticized the program as one-sided, produced in a dramatic manner with actors playing
01:13:50.660 the parts of anonymous women making allegations. He took umbrage with the description of it as a
01:13:54.840 documentary. So did Russell while on the stand. He added that no journalist spoke to Brand during
01:13:59.960 the making of it other than to protect their defamation risk by asking him for a right of
01:14:05.120 reply, and on from there. The defense told the court, Brand is innocent. Casey Winter reminded
01:14:12.460 the jury of what he called the devastating impact of the allegations against Brand,
01:14:18.540 pointing out that in 2023, when all of this hit, the hospital would not let him go to the bedside
01:14:25.720 of his baby son just after he had undergone heart surgery. Such a pariah was he made by that,
01:14:31.980 quote, documentary. He told the jury that when he, Russell told the jury when he gave evidence
01:14:38.640 last week that it was, quote, devastating to have that happen. The blocking of Brandt from
01:14:43.840 the hospital, says Winter, tells you the extent to which public opinion has been perverted and
01:14:48.940 corrupted. If it caused doctors to shun him, how many more people would have been caused to
01:14:54.540 ostracize Brandt if doctors were affected in this way, asks his lawyer. Winter tells the jury it
01:14:59.740 caused people to change what they thought about events that had happened a very long time ago
01:15:04.120 because they now see what has happened through the lens of that program. It caused people to
01:15:10.240 shun Mr. Brand, positively wish him ill before his trial took place and refused to stand by him
01:15:15.460 and give evidence for him. You remember Russell testified upon being asked by Winter, could you
01:15:21.300 find any witness to come forward for you in this trial? And he said, no, no one whatsoever wanted
01:15:25.800 to testify on your behalf? And he said, absolutely no one. And they were trying to make the point
01:15:30.060 he's been made a pariah. Like no one will touch him with a 10 foot pole. And perhaps that's the
01:15:35.240 dynamic going on with the complainants in this case too. He runs through each of the six
01:15:43.060 complainants in the case, discussing their evidence and suggesting the impact of that program
01:15:47.960 was enormous on them. He quoted the fifth complainant. This is the one who accused him
01:15:53.800 of an anal rape. Um, and watching the program, she said, it was the first time I'd felt a 0.99
01:16:00.440 monumental change. I got it. It wasn't me. Winter asks, one wonders what her evidence would have
01:16:07.360 been if she had not seen the program. He says the six complainants are not random or independent
01:16:14.580 as the prosecution has been saying throughout its case and its closing. He says the prosecution put
01:16:21.560 great weight, both in the opening and closing, about the fact that these women all emerged
01:16:25.900 independently. They don't know each other. He added, there is nothing random at all about them. 0.89
01:16:30.800 They have all come forward because they have been brought at the invitation of that program.
01:16:36.440 And they say the very existence of these women is fundamentally corrupted. The existence of
01:16:44.500 them as complainants is fundamentally corrupted by that program and the publicity and renders this
01:16:50.920 fundamentally unfair. He tells the jury it's quite surprising that not one of the women who
01:16:55.580 alleged that they were raped by Brand made that complaint to him. He says it's one thing not to
01:17:01.960 report the incident to police or to one's employer, but to not make it known to the alleged assailant
01:17:06.880 is something else. None of the complainants, quote, resisted or screamed or even tried to leave,
01:17:14.320 he's saying. And there was testimony to that effect. He's saying, does that sound like women
01:17:18.980 who were being raped, who weren't consenting. Not a single one resisted, screamed, or tried to
01:17:26.220 leave, nevermind confronted Russell on it. Of the fifth complainant, again, that same gal who
01:17:32.260 alleges this, yeah, he says she didn't roll over or kick out or try to stop him in any way from
01:17:39.400 doing this to her. The defense also flags the complainant's words to her then boyfriend a few
01:17:43.760 days later, I own that I had made the decision to go to his home. Brand was seeking approval
01:17:51.400 and adoration from women, said his lawyer, Mr. Winter. It's an extremely curious feature of this
01:17:57.320 case that out of many, many women Brand had sex with from 99 to 2009, the period of the charges,
01:18:03.260 only three say they did not consent. He's using Russell's enormous numbers in the sex field now
01:18:09.680 to benefit Russell. He had a goal of 5,000. Three women, three say he didn't consent out of 5,000.
01:18:17.400 If this guy's running around just randomly raping women orally, vaginally, anally, wouldn't there be 0.99
01:18:22.700 more? Wouldn't there? And wouldn't there be testimony that there had been resistance, 1.00
01:18:30.080 screams, running, accusations, or attempts to leave, which there weren't? He suggests that that
01:18:38.660 is a hole in the prosecution's case, saying they don't have a case thesis as to why Brand allegedly
01:18:44.760 raped these three women and none of the thousands of others. He told the jurors what matters is
01:18:50.400 Brand had an immense amount of sex and none of it was unlawful. He added disgusting, distasteful, 0.98
01:18:56.960 immoral. Who cares? It's irrelevant to your consideration. He had told the jury that living 0.99
01:19:01.840 a highly promiscuous life is entirely lawful, however morally distasteful you may find it.
01:19:07.320 He returns to that theme now saying even being manipulative in the pursuit of consensual sex
01:19:13.200 is completely lawful. Okay, he had to do this because part of the testimony that had come out
01:19:19.260 that was not good for Russell was on Complainant One, who says she brought him back to her hotel
01:19:24.620 room after midnight, after seeing him perform at a leftist labor event, and Russell was some
01:19:29.520 entertainment. They went back there and she didn't feel threatened by him. She felt sexually
01:19:36.040 safe with him because she thought he was gay. And then the prosecutor in Crossing Russell brought 0.73
01:19:41.020 up a passage from Russell's book in which he says he will sometimes act gay to put women
01:19:47.500 at ease around him. And here you have his lawyer saying, even being manipulative in the pursuit of
01:19:57.460 consensual sex is completely lawful. He says Brand was seeking approval and seeking adoration.
01:20:03.700 he rounds on the prosecution's case saying that in desperation they they turned to that
01:20:10.980 autobiography it's called my bookie walk of russell's to use what was written against him
01:20:15.740 let me just try to kill that off says winter he tells the court in 2007 he wrote a funny book
01:20:22.440 my bookie walk it contains some jokes he says the prosecution wants the jury to take what he
01:20:27.600 wrote eight years after the event and somehow use it as evidence of what he was doing in 1999
01:20:32.640 He then asks, do you remember the photograph of Brand as a seven-year-old child dressed somewhat effeminately?
01:20:39.960 It was so obviously a joke, but the joke is it didn't work.
01:20:44.680 That's the depths the prosecution has had to stoop to to show why complainant one invited Brand back to the bed suit bed sit in the middle of the night.
01:20:53.540 When Brand was cross-examined last week, the prosecution accused him again of trying to act gay to gain the trust of women.
01:21:02.640 And the caption of that picture in the book reads,
01:21:04.920 This is the exact moment when I decided to act gay to attract girls.
01:21:09.200 It took 15 years to produce results.
01:21:11.840 Showing the picture on the board here for the viewing audience.
01:21:15.460 The defense discussed the evidence of Helen Berger.
01:21:19.860 That was Brand's personal assistant.
01:21:21.740 We talked about how he was obsessed with sex and was constant, never seemed satisfied after he had it.
01:21:27.120 Between 2006 and 2007, Winter said,
01:21:30.560 it's an unusual situation where both the prosecution and defense use the same evidence
01:21:34.020 to show two completely different arguments, saying the prosecution used Berger's argument 0.91
01:21:38.500 evidence to show that Brand's promiscuity and insane and his insane sexual appetite. 0.97
01:21:45.420 The defense used it to establish Brand's highly promiscuous and insane sex appetite, 0.98
01:21:49.060 but also the fact that he was very open about what his sexual needs were. 0.64
01:21:52.740 Winter says Brand has always been extremely open and public about that promiscuity,
01:21:56.560 pointing out that he's discussed it on stage in his jokes and in his books, which is true.
01:22:02.540 He says Brand was pushing boundaries. His comedy was fresh and radical, and a lot of people found
01:22:06.600 it very, very funny. His onstage persona was rooted in that honesty. Russell Brand's lawyer
01:22:12.640 said this, the women who accused him described his behavior as normal after the alleged incidents
01:22:19.900 and that this cannot have occurred if he was guilty. They would never use that word.
01:22:26.560 He points out that the first complainant who accuses Brand of raping her in 1999 during that Labor Party conference doubted she had been raped, saying she second guessed herself and told the police so when she contacted them.
01:22:39.100 It's simply not possible for you to be raped and think it is normal, he tells the court.
01:22:43.800 The first complainant previously said she behaved normally on the day after the alleged rape. 0.63
01:22:48.040 He tells the jury this is a moment when the window opens and a chink of light comes through, a little chink of the truth comes through. 0.71
01:22:54.680 They thought it was normal at the time. 0.77
01:22:57.660 He tells the court there's no evidence Brand is some kind of a psychopath who rapes people and thinks it's normal.
01:23:02.480 The fact that he behaved normally during and after all of those rapes tells you what you need to know.
01:23:07.420 He believed they were all consenting.
01:23:09.400 And by the way, his belief is required.
01:23:11.560 He has to have believed that he did not have consent in order for this to be rape.
01:23:17.000 In the case of the first complainant, he adds, 0.95
01:23:19.040 you would have to be a psychopath to be raping someone and asking them if they were enjoying it 0.97
01:23:24.780 at the same time. He says Brand left his actual email address. Rapists do not do that. He left 0.99
01:23:32.180 photos she had taken of him. Rapists do not leave their photographs. And he kissed her goodbye or
01:23:37.060 tried to when he left. He said not one of the complainants reported these allegations to the
01:23:43.080 police at the time, telling the jury, if a wrong has been done to you, you're entitled to have it
01:23:47.480 investigated, the best moment you have of achieving a conviction is at the time when the
01:23:52.500 evidence is at its freshest. It doesn't get better sticking a massive 20-year delay into the
01:23:59.320 situation, does it? He says the absence of a complaint just supports the defense's position.
01:24:06.320 His lawyer returned to what he called poisoning of the well.
01:24:09.660 He opened the closing argument by making that reference. He says the failure to report at the
01:24:14.880 time has led to a monstrous delay, which adds a second element to the poisoning of the well.
01:24:20.420 He puts it to the jury that an understandable argument for the delay would be there is no
01:24:24.880 shame in being the victim of a crime. I came to understand that I bore no shame and so reported
01:24:30.260 it. But he says no complainant has put forward that reasoning. He tells the jury they all come
01:24:35.360 forward for reasons of the TV program, not for reasons personal to themselves. That's true and
01:24:40.820 it's a good point. He complains of the rank unfairness of trying to litigate something so
01:24:45.740 long after the event. Amen. Saying it's impossible now to know what the allegations would look like
01:24:52.140 if raised closer to the event. The case would be radically and fundamentally different.
01:24:56.740 He says there would have been many witnesses to some of the alleged incidents, now all lost
01:25:01.280 to the passage of time. It's true. That's why normally we have statute of limitations
01:25:05.960 that will protect defendants from having to defend their behavior some 25 years after the fact.
01:25:13.800 He tells the court that the delays in reporting the allegations mean all parties end up litigating
01:25:18.900 in a quagmire of doubt and decades-old recollections. We invite you, members of the jury,
01:25:23.980 to remember that delay is a corrupter of justice. It is in the way of justice. Some people will say
01:25:30.320 justice delayed is justice denied. What were you doing in 1999? He asked them, telling them to put
01:25:37.340 their hand on their heart and consider if they would be able to explain exactly what they were
01:25:41.620 up to back then. Very fair point. He also says in opposition to the prosecution's suggestions that
01:25:47.080 Brand has changed his evidence over time, that Brand has been completely staggeringly honest
01:25:51.880 with you. The court's reminded that the fifth complainant's phone number was in Brand's phone
01:25:57.240 as in 2012 with T space AP next to her name.
01:26:03.600 Brand told the court during his evidence last week 0.95
01:26:05.320 that T stood for TART, AP stood for anal play, 0.96
01:26:09.120 and, oh, two asterisks meant that it was an interaction 0.96
01:26:12.100 he did not want to forget.
01:26:14.660 The fifth complainant, we've been over.
01:26:18.200 Ian Winter said the prosecution has attempted to suggest
01:26:20.540 the way this woman's name was saved was fabricated.
01:26:23.160 He counters this, saying it would not be in Brand's phone
01:26:26.100 in 2012 unless she had given it to him and saved her name in that way. He sarcastically suggested
01:26:32.020 to the jury, you think you're at some point going to get done for rape, and so you record her number
01:26:38.680 in that way, adding, would you really save it as that if you were worried this woman was going to
01:26:44.600 come back and accuse you of rape someday? Basically, how stupid could Russell be? Not stupid 1.00
01:26:51.160 is what his lawyer is saying. It's a good argument. Ian tells the jury that details in the case really, 0.99
01:26:58.080 really matter. The details are what makes you sure. When they add up, they make you sure. When
01:27:03.200 they don't, they're in doubt. He points out what he terms inconsistencies in the first complainant's
01:27:08.360 allegations that make it impossible to convict in this case. Again, that's back to the one who
01:27:12.560 alleges vaginal rape. The woman alleges she was raped after this conference. He points out the 0.99
01:27:19.880 date the alleged rape took place is missing or shrouded in the depths of time. He suggests her
01:27:25.540 evidence is unreliable as to what day the rape took place, a Wednesday, a Thursday, a Friday.
01:27:31.300 He says she couldn't remember what day she got home either. He, staying on the first witness here,
01:27:39.020 Um, oh, actually, no, this is, this is Russell's friend, Mark Pinero, a former roommate of
01:27:50.140 Russell's who he was the first witness for the prosecution.
01:27:53.320 And he remember testified that Russell wanted to get the hell out of Dodge the next day.
01:27:58.160 It seemed like he, you know, suggesting he had something to run from.
01:28:01.780 He says the jury should discount Mark's evidence.
01:28:04.100 He told the court that Brand was actively acting strangely on the morning after the
01:28:07.440 alleged rape, ducking and diving, hiding from police sirens. He tells the court, Brand did not
01:28:12.280 run away. What's Brand supposed to be doing? Running and dodging for hours and hours and hours?
01:28:17.320 He says the truth is that Brand would have needed to check out by 10 a.m., adding the details are
01:28:21.360 what really matter. He says, we invite you to conclude there is no evidential basis to conclude
01:28:26.960 Mr. Brand raped, complainant number one. He says the complainant's repeated use of the phrase,
01:28:33.540 quote, her office to describe her bedsit, which I think just means her bedroom in the hotel,
01:28:40.240 is because there is a real problem with her describing it as her bedroom, because then
01:28:45.520 she would have invited a stranger back to her bedroom after midnight on the night she met him.
01:28:50.960 Winter goes on, she invited him back and she consented to sex. The defense moved on to the
01:28:57.180 second complainant who accuses Brand of attempted indecent assault in 2001 when she says he tried
01:29:01.600 to drag her into a toilet at MTV. Remember, this is the nutcase. I'm sorry. This woman's a nut. 0.93
01:29:06.140 She's like, he grabbed my arm and he tried to pull me into the bathroom. And all these years 1.00
01:29:09.820 she's been saying she thought it was to have consensual sex. Now suddenly it's to rape me. 1.00
01:29:14.060 He was trying to drag me all these, you know, 20 years. I said it was for consensual. Now I say no 0.99
01:29:18.580 rape. He, he says, uh, he was behaving like a crazy lunatic, but when she put her foot down 0.98
01:29:27.360 and said, no way, he accepted it. 0.86
01:29:30.660 The defense also points to a piece of courtroom theatrics
01:29:33.080 during the prosecution's closing speech on Friday
01:29:34.840 when Riel Carmi-Jones, she's the prosecutor,
01:29:37.280 used a stopwatch to time 20 seconds of silence
01:29:39.900 demonstrating to the jury the number of seconds
01:29:41.880 the complainant says Brand battled
01:29:43.280 to pull her into the mail toilet.
01:29:44.400 He said, you were treated to 20 seconds of silence,
01:29:47.660 but it was not silence at the time
01:29:50.140 of the alleged attempted indecent assault.
01:29:53.200 Instead, he says Brand was pleading,
01:29:54.960 begging and asking her to go in.
01:29:57.360 The lead defense barrister added, she now obviously genuinely believes she would have been assaulted or worse in that bathroom. 0.95
01:30:05.500 That's what she says.
01:30:07.300 He says, but the defense's case is that the women have reimagined what it has characterized as consensual encounters. 0.83
01:30:16.220 Okay. 0.99
01:30:19.180 Turning to the third complainant who alleges that she was forced into giving him oral sex in a bathroom stall. 0.96
01:30:24.240 He says there are two essential problems with this woman's case. 0.97
01:30:26.720 As a reminder, the woman claims, the lawyer says she did not tell anyone Brand had grabbed her breasts or raped her in the mouth until September 2023.
01:30:35.240 He calls it a very curious thing that she did not give full details when she called a friend in the early hours of the morning to tell him what had happened, but failed to say that she had been orally raped.
01:30:46.460 Pressing the point of the importance of lack of consistency, Winter tells the jury consistency, I'm only banging on about it because it's fundamental. 0.95
01:30:54.560 And she had earlier been telling people Russell tried to get her to give him oral sex. 0.90
01:31:01.920 It only changed to he forced me to after she saw the documentary.
01:31:07.920 Discussing the allegations of complainant number three, he said in September 2023, 19 years after the alleged assault and rape, she gets wind of the forthcoming TV program.
01:31:16.740 He highlights a text she sent to friends saying people were calling and texting her to tell her about the program.
01:31:20.940 He reminds the court that she said in evidence, I managed to get away before he could properly do anything to me.
01:31:27.480 That she had said that, managed to get away before he could properly do anything to me.
01:31:32.260 He says this is consistent with what Brand himself says.
01:31:34.760 Nothing significant happened.
01:31:36.720 The lawyer suggests the complainant's description of Brand to her sister that his, quote, eyes had gone completely blank.
01:31:43.240 This is in 2023 and appeared to be possessed, had been influenced by the program.
01:31:48.240 The woman said in her evidence that after the alleged oral rape in the bar toilets,
01:31:52.420 she got into a car with Brand and others to go to another bar. 0.97
01:31:55.300 He asked how remotely possible, if you had just been raped in the mouth,
01:31:58.340 that you get into the assailant's car. 0.87
01:32:00.800 It is completely inconceivable that you would choose the car instead of going home.
01:32:04.420 She chose the car.
01:32:05.540 She chose not to say anything to anyone in the car.
01:32:07.840 She chose to go into the bar fly.
01:32:09.220 In the bar, Brand was distracted, maybe by other women there. 0.98
01:32:13.220 Maybe she got rejected.
01:32:14.900 Who knows?
01:32:15.420 staying on the third complainant.
01:32:19.240 He said he watched it
01:32:22.320 and that it would have caused her
01:32:24.000 to think about her encounter with him.
01:32:25.820 We do know that she knew
01:32:27.060 that something was coming about Brand 0.98
01:32:29.040 and that it was about him being a rapist 1.00
01:32:30.800 or a sexual assaulter. 1.00
01:32:31.780 It would cause her to think, 0.99
01:32:33.320 what is it that happened to me?
01:32:35.440 He tells the jury the woman had not told her sister
01:32:38.260 about the alleged oral rape until after the program.
01:32:41.440 Did she get that from her memory? 0.51
01:32:43.120 something she had never professed before or was the well poisoned? This is very effective. He's
01:32:49.460 threading the same argument through each of the women's testimonial. He highlights a text she sent
01:32:55.360 to a friend saying people were calling and texting her to tell her about the program. He reminds the
01:32:59.420 court the third complainant said in evidence, I managed to get away before he could properly do
01:33:03.380 anything to me. He says that's consistent with Brand saying nothing happened. Okay. Third
01:33:11.260 complainant. Yes. Okay. I told you all of this onto the fourth complainant. This woman felt that
01:33:20.880 alleged that she, he felt her up at a bar, like all over her breasts and started kissing her.
01:33:27.460 He says this woman's allegations are more akin to someone jumping out from behind the bins or
01:33:33.400 to a maniac jumping on you as you come out of your place of work. He says it happened in front
01:33:38.720 of up to five people. And it's telling. She did not say she said anything to those people, 0.84
01:33:43.820 but simply looked at a woman who she said was with Brand, but who did nothing. He asked why
01:33:48.560 she didn't verbalize to those people, why are you doing nothing to a woman in trouble or call them
01:33:53.340 to help her and immediately take action to raise it with her employers. He says, as with the other
01:33:58.320 complainants, she was affected by the documentary. The exaggeration is the direct consequence of that
01:34:03.420 program. He drew their attention to her description of Brand as of average height.
01:34:11.040 No one could say Brand is of average height, he told the jury. He's six foot two. His conclusion
01:34:16.680 to the jury is we invite you to reject this sham, this claim, sorry, this claim.
01:34:25.320 Okay. The fifth complainant, she's deeply problematic. There should absolutely be no
01:34:29.580 conviction on complainant number five, who accuses Brand of anally raping her. The lawyer says she
01:34:35.420 was an obsessed fan, says people would give her her birthday gifts wrapped in photos of Russell.
01:34:41.020 You may think that completely clouded her judgment and caused her to behave in the way she behaved in
01:34:46.740 the dressing room. Extraordinary behavior, which can only be explained by that level of fan behavior.
01:34:52.560 Of course, they heard what she did to his backside within two seconds of meeting him
01:34:56.200 naked in the dressing room. Directing the jury to photos shared on Facebook of the complainant
01:35:00.660 taken on the night of the gig and chuckling slightly, Winter says, she was on the face of
01:35:04.620 it having a fantastic time with a star she was obsessed with. He said, the question is,
01:35:09.400 did the fifth complainant consent or may she have consented? What matters to you is the evidence at
01:35:13.780 the time. She went to his house the week after the threesome in his dressing room. She went there.
01:35:18.460 She was prepared to do whatever he wanted. He says it was for that reason she now blames herself.
01:35:24.020 He quotes what he called a graphic line given by the complainant in her evidence.
01:35:27.880 Even the horror in people's faces when I later told them what had happened was not enough to make me believe I didn't deserve it.
01:35:34.980 She didn't feel she'd been raped.
01:35:37.040 She felt discarded and used, said Ian Winter. 0.99
01:35:41.100 He mentions the evidence of the woman's former boyfriend who in his police statement said she, quote, came around to anal sex. 0.93
01:35:48.260 In another dig at journalists, he said the ex-boyfriend's police interview shows how fundamentally important it is that when you have police officers taking these types of statements, when they are in the hands of journalists, you have no idea what they are. 0.75
01:36:01.300 She went there and she consented and she wished and wished she hadn't done it.
01:36:06.580 Flagging a voice note she later left in which she said she had not understood at the time that what she alleges happened is considered rape.
01:36:13.660 The defense says that if the complainant thought she was consenting, then Brand too would have been under that impression.
01:36:21.060 They spoke about the sixth and final complainant.
01:36:24.640 This woman said Brand sexually assaulted her when she was working at Channel 4 on a project with him in 2009, asking her for a massage, putting his head in her lap. 0.88
01:36:33.220 They heard that Brand's breath felt hot on her genital area.
01:36:39.020 The defense lawyer said he asked very few questions of the woman because Brand has said
01:36:44.780 he cannot remember the alleged incident at all.
01:36:47.420 He said no sexual assault took place.
01:36:49.080 It was just a massage, a thoroughly inappropriate one, but not a sexual one.
01:36:53.040 Flagging an inconsistency in the complainant's evidence, he said she told a Sunday Times
01:36:57.060 journalist she was wearing a chunky jumper, meaning sweater, and a pair of jeans at the
01:37:01.140 time of the alleged incident.
01:37:02.860 Later told police in the court she was wearing black cotton trousers.
01:37:05.580 He says this was after the dispatches TV program.
01:37:11.220 When she spoke to the journalist, there was no vaginal breathing mentioned, adding vaginal
01:37:16.000 breathing does not exist as a concept at this point in her story. 1.00
01:37:20.120 Unless the sexual breathing element of this offense can be provided, it's just a massage.
01:37:24.760 Winter calls the alleged sexual assault the perfect example of the poisoning of the well.
01:37:28.700 The woman didn't say anything that fundamentally makes it a crime ever until seeing the program.
01:37:33.200 This was not a crime.
01:37:35.580 His lawyer again raises the question of how there are only three rape allegations when Brand had sex with many, many women.
01:37:42.980 How is it that none of these claims came to light during Me Too?
01:37:46.260 It could not have been more publicized.
01:37:48.000 How was it that none of them thought that what happened to them had been a crime during Me Too?
01:37:53.520 Referring to the program again, he says they needed to be told the things in the program to make the jump.
01:37:58.840 Coming to the end of his argument, he invites the jury to conclude that there is a fundamental failure on behalf of the prosecution
01:38:04.340 to build a case thesis for why Brand quote raped just three women in isolated occasions over 10
01:38:11.460 years when he had sex with many women completely consensually. He commends Brand for what he calls
01:38:17.460 his striking honesty. He tells the jury that promiscuity is lawful, adding that it is the
01:38:24.040 point of the law to draw the line between lawful and criminal. He says criminality occurs when
01:38:28.740 there is no consent, adding that means that everything else is lawful. It is, I am afraid,
01:38:33.800 lawful to be unkind while having sex or after having sex, or after having sex. It is, I am
01:38:39.400 afraid, lawful to be disrespectful or rude or to behave like a crazy idiot. It is lawful unless 1.00
01:38:45.420 and until it becomes non-consensual. That is why this case needs solid, consistent, reliable evidence
01:38:50.680 that Mr. Brand took what he wanted from these women without their consent. He did not do so,
01:38:55.920 and not one of these women alleged that he had behaved criminally toward them until very many,
01:39:01.100 many, many years had gone by and only did so once the well of justice had been corrupted and
01:39:06.360 contaminated by the TV program until the ground went from under his feet and the public mind
01:39:13.300 poisoned against him. None of them came forward at the time. They did so after his final words
01:39:20.960 to the jury. We invite you to return a verdict of not guilty. Praying for Russell.
01:39:31.100 I don't know, guys.
01:39:35.160 The UK is even woker than we are.
01:39:39.880 And I don't know anything about the jury other than, you know,
01:39:45.020 they have been led down a path by the mere presentation of all six of these witnesses together
01:39:52.220 that tells them the judge is on the side of the women
01:39:55.640 and that the women are somehow brave and courageous
01:40:01.420 if you listen to any of the media reports
01:40:03.620 and Russell's politics have been well-publicized
01:40:08.420 in a left-leaning country
01:40:10.220 that is not going to be inclined to like him.
01:40:14.040 I am very worried that Russell's going to be convicted
01:40:17.720 and sentenced to a lengthy prison term.
01:40:21.640 The jury officially begins its deliberating tomorrow
01:40:24.700 and we will stay on it as they do.
01:40:28.420 We are gonna take a break and then when we come back,
01:40:30.980 because the NTSB briefing has been occurring
01:40:33.140 as you and I have been talking,
01:40:34.840 we are gonna tell you what happened
01:40:36.540 and we are going to analyze
01:40:37.820 this horrific plane crash down in Florida.
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01:42:34.880 We have to bring you the latest on the breaking news out of Florida, where a Learjet private plane that was traveling from Texas to the Bahamas plunged from the sky Sunday afternoon, slamming into a roadway outside of Palm Beach, killing all nine on board.
01:42:54.880 The video and pictures of the crash are truly horrific, but the audio is, I mean, it's just, it's too much to bear.
01:43:06.880 We're going to start with what was captured on a dash cam.
01:43:10.440 As the crash occurred, this was posted by a person named Aki Kusisto. 0.99
01:43:20.480 What in the fuck? 0.98
01:43:22.200 It just looks like a missile out of the sky and then a fireball. 0.99
01:43:24.880 Something just fell down.
01:43:30.560 It happens so quickly.
01:43:33.800 It's not, there's nothing slow-mo about it.
01:43:36.560 And if you've seen it online, you know what I'm talking about.
01:43:39.600 Dash cam footage of the plane, it's just so quick, and so we slowed it down here.
01:43:44.300 You can see that it was, in fact, a jet that crashed nose first into the ground, erupting into a fireball.
01:43:53.020 Thomas Chapman from the National Transportation Safety Board, which will investigate this crash
01:43:58.140 just a few moments ago, spoke about what we do know about this crash. Watch.
01:44:03.640 At about 1037 Eastern time, the aircraft departed Austin Bergstrom International Airport
01:44:09.900 en route to North Eleuthera, Bahamas, with nine people on board, two flight crew and seven
01:44:17.500 passengers. After takeoff, the plight proceeded
01:44:21.540 towards the destination while establishing contact with various
01:44:25.700 ATC facilities along the route of flight.
01:44:30.240 About 12.47 p.m. Eastern Time,
01:44:33.640 the crew transmitted to ATC that they were encountering
01:44:37.300 light, clear ice, which was manageable and also
01:44:41.300 moderate turbulence. While in contact with
01:44:45.200 Miami Air Route Traffic Center, the crew transmitted that they were at 35,000 feet
01:44:50.940 with moderate turbulence with altitude deviations of about 700 feet. The crew reported the outside
01:44:59.460 temperature was minus 47 Celsius, which is minus 53 Fahrenheit, and they were managing the ice
01:45:07.400 but were in moderate turbulence. Very soon after, the crew transmitted,
01:45:13.280 we are picking up precipitation requesting to climb to 37,000 feet if able which was approved
01:45:20.580 by FAA air traffic control. Less than 30 seconds later a transmission from the airplane announced
01:45:28.400 the descent followed by a mayday call. About 1248 eastern the airplane transmitted we are in an
01:45:37.160 overspeed condition descending, with the rest unintelligible. Subsequent communications
01:45:43.780 described that the airplane was descending rapidly and gave an altitude call out.
01:45:49.580 Sadly, all aboard were lost.
01:45:55.000 We also have the terrifying final moments of audio from what we believe was the co-pilot.
01:46:01.860 We believe there were two pilots in the cockpit and that the woman speaking is a co-pilot, not flying the plane.
01:46:09.720 Although the NTSB said that that is under investigation today and would not confirm who was the lead pilot.
01:46:16.980 Pilots in the know will tell you that one flies the plane and one deals with the comms.
01:46:21.720 And you will hear a pilot dealing with the comms, female, but a warning.
01:46:28.240 Viewer discretion is advised.
01:46:29.540 This is awful to hear.
01:46:31.860 So, Roger, stay outside air temperature.
01:46:34.200 Negative 47 degrees Celsius.
01:46:36.440 We're managing the ice, but it is moderate turbulence.
01:46:38.980 We're direct free point.
01:46:40.260 Okay, November 7th, 2BD.
01:46:42.140 Roger, let me know if you need anything else.
01:46:43.880 I'm just forcing you into my airspace right now.
01:46:45.980 Thank you.
01:46:46.420 If you have any better rides, let us know, 2BD.
01:46:49.800 November 2BD.
01:46:51.640 The rides do improve in my airspace.
01:46:53.700 You're kind of far outside of it right now, and you can expect better rides ahead.
01:46:58.400 Roger, 2BD.
01:46:59.580 And now we're picking up precipitation.
01:47:00.740 We need to climb 370, vehicle 2BD.
01:47:04.740 November 722BD, roger, climb and maintain climbable 370, no further right than your president heading for traffic.
01:47:11.740 Climb 370, 2BD.
01:47:13.740 722BD, we're descending 8000, Mayday, Mayday, we're descending 10,000 feet per minute.
01:47:19.740 November 722BD, roger.
01:47:22.740 Declared emergency, 722BD, we are in an overseas condition, descending 20,000 feet per minute!
01:47:29.740 November 722, Bravo Delta, roger. I'll choose your discretion. Let me know what you mean.
01:47:37.740 We're going to crash into the ground, 722, Bravo Delta.
01:47:41.740 November 2, Bravo Delta, I'm here with you. Talk to me.
01:47:44.740 We are descending 22,000 feet and we are banking 60 degrees.
01:47:55.740 November 2, Bravo Delta, roger.
01:47:59.740 Oh, God rest their souls.
01:48:18.620 That pilot you just heard was just 20 years old.
01:48:22.520 multiple news outlets have identified her as natalia gadelha phil gerrera phil gerrera
01:48:31.880 the new york post spoke to her mother camilla who said that her daughter had been working as a
01:48:37.080 commercial pilot for just nine months she told the post quote i knew that a plane was going to
01:48:42.440 take her away from me i always knew it but i was so proud of her i know she was living her dream
01:48:49.040 Camilla's husband told The Post that Phil Guerrero had 1,300 hours of flying experience.
01:48:55.020 Natalie also reportedly texted her boyfriend just 10 minutes before the crash, writing, quote,
01:49:00.860 I've got turbulence. I've got ice.
01:49:04.020 According to her family, Natalie wanted to be an airline pilot but was still too young to apply for a job at American Airlines.
01:49:10.860 Joining me now to discuss what he thinks happened up there is Steve Scheibner.
01:49:16.440 He's a former airline pilot and host of the Captain Steve YouTube channel.
01:49:20.840 Steve, welcome back.
01:49:22.340 This is so disturbing, and to listen to this young woman's screams is just bone-chilling.
01:49:30.480 What do you make of what happened?
01:49:32.760 That's just, it's very hard to listen to.
01:49:36.120 I think there's certain things that the human condition is not meant to either hear or experience.
01:49:43.960 It's hard on the mind and the spirit at the same time, but yet it's out there.
01:49:51.560 So this is one of the worst tragedies.
01:49:55.200 I think because we have the audio from inside the cockpit, it's very hard to digest.
01:50:03.080 It's rare that we have it because typically we have to wait for the black box.
01:50:08.020 And here you had it via air traffic control, which is often available.
01:50:13.560 People listen in on this, and that's how we have this one so quickly.
01:50:18.100 Let's just start with the question on everybody's mind, which is, what is a 20-year-old doing behind the wheels of an aircraft like this?
01:50:26.460 Well, a lot of people, that's where they start their career.
01:50:29.520 To get on with a regional airline or a major airline, you've got to have a minimum of 1,500 hours.
01:50:34.800 So to build those hours, you'll get a job flying for a charter outfit someplace. 0.93
01:50:40.280 And some people are crop dusters.
01:50:42.200 Some people will fly a Learjet for a Part 135 carrier, which this is, they don't have the same 1,500-hour requirements.
01:50:49.160 So you can get on, build your hours to get on with an airline.
01:50:52.420 So it's actually very common to see somebody of that age behind the stick of a Learjet, especially in the right seat as a co-pilot in this situation.
01:51:03.920 And it was weird.
01:51:05.360 I thought that the NTSB wouldn't confirm that she was in the co-pilot role as opposed to the main pilot.
01:51:10.080 Is there any doubt in your mind she was in the co-pilot role?
01:51:13.400 No, they haven't confirmed that yet.
01:51:15.000 I listened to the NTSB briefing, and Tom Chapman got asked that question.
01:51:18.320 He said, well, we don't know who's who just yet.
01:51:20.820 Although, typically, the reason that most people think that was the co-pilot, it wasn't because she was female. 0.91
01:51:25.380 It's because that's who talks on the radio when you're airborne. 0.99
01:51:28.440 So it would be the pilot monitoring at that point.
01:51:31.900 Whoever the pilot monitoring was typically is referred to as a co-pilot.
01:51:36.520 That just means the other pilot, the captain, was flying the airplane.
01:51:40.300 Now, it's probably not true that a 20-year-old would be the captain just yet. 1.00
01:51:46.720 That's probably she's working her way up to that position.
01:51:49.960 But we don't know yet.
01:51:50.980 There hasn't been confirmation that she was a co-pilot.
01:51:53.400 It may have been the other pilot flying who wasn't the captain.
01:51:57.020 Maybe she was.
01:51:57.800 But again, that'll come out in the days and weeks ahead.
01:52:00.600 i have to say um i'm i'm definitely 100 against any sort of dei in highly hiring pilots surgeons
01:52:10.260 or really anything i'm just against dei in general and i don't know whether that played any role in
01:52:15.220 this woman's hiring yeah i understand the pilots online who are very critical of her screaming and
01:52:21.980 saying she was not professional but i i have to say and i honestly i've complained in the past 0.99
01:52:26.680 about young female pilots flying my own plane 0.97
01:52:30.180 and not doing well.
01:52:31.560 I told the audience a story that happened
01:52:33.140 with a girl who looked like she was about 20
01:52:35.040 with a ponytail up here. 0.80
01:52:36.700 Her name was Maddie. 0.99
01:52:38.020 She did not do a good job.
01:52:39.520 And when I confronted her about it,
01:52:40.780 she literally ran off the plane. 1.00
01:52:42.420 So I'm not defending all female hires
01:52:45.540 or all young female hires,
01:52:47.380 but I have to be honest, 0.81
01:52:49.560 what I heard was somebody who for her age
01:52:52.060 was remarkably composed
01:52:54.720 given what was happening to her. What did you hear? Yeah, I heard the same thing. I think
01:53:00.440 she was very courageous. She gave us a blow by blow of what was going on,
01:53:05.120 knowing that her life was about to end and that it takes a certain amount of composure.
01:53:11.060 My experience with flying, I've flown with men and women. They're all excellent. I've never,
01:53:16.020 I never flew with a female pilot that wasn't top rate. And, but I, I would, I would challenge 0.99
01:53:22.460 anyone male female you name it if you're in that situation to not lose it a little bit
01:53:28.960 your voice is going to change an octave or two when you're at a 60 degree angle of bank and
01:53:34.900 you're hurtling down towards the earth at 20 000 plus feet per minute and you know you're not going 1.00
01:53:39.980 to pull out of it uh there's that i think the point of finger that the female thing that's just 0.99
01:53:45.420 that's the internet the internet does that and uh i i think uh you're right i think she was very
01:53:51.680 courageous. And I would probably fly with her any given day. Wow. I mean, she was so young. Her
01:53:59.780 parents have highlighted that, you know, this was her dream. There was an article, I mean, a news
01:54:07.040 report done on her by CBS 12 in 2023, because she got her pilot's license while still in high
01:54:15.520 school here's a bit of that in stop four I like being different than everyone so to me I think
01:54:22.540 it's like cool that well like it's not really an opportunity I kind of just didn't do it and
01:54:29.100 this is how it ended up but I think it's kind of cool some people think that it's like weird
01:54:35.080 because I can fly planes but I can't drive a car I mean I can but a lot of people think it's funny
01:54:43.060 I think it's funny, and I now want my license really bad.
01:54:48.780 Yeah. 0.93
01:54:49.360 Okay, so putting the gender thing to the side, the question is, this is young.
01:54:55.200 This is a very young person to be.
01:54:57.120 I mean, I know you say some are up there, but to me it seems like we don't let you rent a car until you're 25 years old.
01:55:05.080 This person couldn't lawfully drink.
01:55:07.020 you know, she was considered too young to have a glass of wine, and yet we're going to put her 0.96
01:55:11.880 behind the controls of a Learjet with the lives of nine people dependent on her? Tell me why I'm
01:55:17.060 wrong. That seems too young. Well, she's not the only pilot in the cockpit, so there's another
01:55:21.620 pilot with her, presumably a more experienced pilot. Everybody's got to start someplace. That's
01:55:27.220 the key to all of this. If we want, if we're going to, if we're going to force pilots to retire at
01:55:32.740 age 65 and we've got a pilot shortage, at some point you've got to get into the workforce. So
01:55:37.720 what is too young? I think a lot of times a young pilot like that, they're eager,
01:55:42.400 they're in the books, they study really hard. They've got to overcome a lot of obstacles in
01:55:47.060 terms of people not thinking they can do the job. Listening to that little interview with her,
01:55:51.260 she sounds like a pilot. She's just confident. She knows what she wants. She's going to go out
01:55:56.260 and do it and it takes it takes years and years to get to a place where you get to be like a first
01:56:03.760 officer at american or delta or united it took me 10 years to get to that place i had to start
01:56:09.140 someplace i didn't start much older than her so uh you know the faa's got restrictions on all this
01:56:14.580 sort of thing you can fly before you turn 16 you can't get a license until you're 16 i think you
01:56:20.260 can't get instrument ratings until you're 17 but a lot of those younger pilots are into the books
01:56:25.820 They know the numbers better than anybody else.
01:56:29.020 And then coupled with an experienced pilot that has got the stick and rudder skills, that's the best way to learn and the best way to go about building your hours.
01:56:36.900 So, again, you know, we don't know what happened to this.
01:56:39.780 The NTSB is going to look at the airplane, they're going to look at the pilots, and they're going to look at the environment.
01:56:44.160 I think the place they need to focus in on first is the environment.
01:56:47.760 It looked like they flew into a thunderstorm, and the weather conditions, I think, are going
01:56:52.800 to have a big factor with why that airplane dropped out of the sky.
01:56:57.260 Let's talk about that, because you heard her describe, and the NTSB reiterated, first they
01:57:05.400 say light, clear ice with moderate turbulence.
01:57:10.800 Then they talk about an altitude deviation of 700 feet.
01:57:14.760 it's minus 53 degrees Fahrenheit outside and very soon thereafter say we're picking up
01:57:21.420 precipitation they ask for permission to climb to 37,000 feet and the air traffic controller says
01:57:27.920 that's okay and no sooner does he give the okay for that than they talk about their rapid descent
01:57:34.620 and she's calling mayday mayday by the way I mean I think we all understand mayday to be a cry of
01:57:39.300 distress but what what is it officially what does it officially mean when a pilot says that to air
01:57:43.620 traffic control. Yeah, mayday means you're declaring an emergency. And at that point,
01:57:47.660 a lot of things go into motion. Air traffic control starts to clear everybody out. You get
01:57:52.320 whatever you want if you declare a mayday. If you want a lower altitude, if you want to turn left or
01:57:56.520 right, that's completely up to the pilot's discretion. You don't have to ask permission
01:58:00.840 for that. You're telling air traffic control that you're in some sort of distress and basically
01:58:06.400 you're piloting your airplane with no other inputs. So she declares a mayday, but it's already well
01:58:12.840 into this rapid descent. It's what happened to the aircraft prior to that that led up to the
01:58:18.600 rapid descent. That's where the NTSB is going to focus. And I think that's where the weather had
01:58:23.500 the biggest impact. So describe if they're taking on ice and there's precipitation and there's an
01:58:31.920 altitude deviation of 700 feet. Does that mean that's what's being caused by the turbulence
01:58:36.020 to your aircraft? Yeah. So she checks in and says a couple of things. She gives a lot of
01:58:41.040 great information. You don't normally get this from a pilot. She says we're managing the icing
01:58:47.820 right now. So they were already experiencing some icing, which I'm telling you at 35,000 feet is
01:58:53.120 extremely rare. You're usually above it all at that altitude. It's very cold. They ask her what
01:58:58.340 the temperature is outside and she says minus 47. That's minus 53 degrees Fahrenheit. That's
01:59:03.720 typically how cold it is at 35,000 feet. So it's not more cold or less cold than normal. That's
01:59:09.540 just very cold. Then she says later on that they're experiencing moderate turbulence and
01:59:15.440 that the aircraft is losing or gaining plus or minus 700 feet. That's extraordinary. I would
01:59:22.220 call that severe turbulence, not moderate turbulence, but every pilot has a little
01:59:27.140 different interpretation of what that is. That might be where some of the experience level comes
01:59:31.940 in. If you can't hold altitude, that's severe turbulence to me. Severe turbulence now is a
01:59:38.340 different beast altogether. Your aircraft is semi out of control. She also keys up the mic
01:59:44.660 after that and says, now we're experiencing precipitation. Very rare that there's
01:59:50.820 precipitation at 35,000 feet. The question I've got is, did they know they were flying right
01:59:56.880 into what appears to be, and I have to say appears to be a thunderstorm? Because on the radar,
02:00:02.560 you can see that big yellow and then red center that's a typically a thunderstorm uh and was their
02:00:09.360 radar not working could they not see that did air traffic control turn them into that did they ask
02:00:14.320 for a turn prior to that that took them into that the pilots should have seen that on their radar
02:00:19.440 scope and avoided the faa rule is 20 nautical miles away from any known thunderstorm so you
02:00:27.120 You have to stay 20 nautical miles away.
02:00:29.420 So you don't try to fly over it, and you certainly don't fly through it.
02:00:33.700 So that's where it's a combination of things.
02:00:35.260 Right there.
02:00:35.460 You can see it's right over it.
02:00:36.560 Yeah.
02:00:36.940 It's a combination of things.
02:00:38.480 It's the pilot decision.
02:00:41.380 Was it led by air traffic control?
02:00:44.080 What was working or not working on their aircraft?
02:00:46.400 Did they see that, and did they know, and did they just try to fly over it?
02:00:51.180 All of those are going to be questions that I would have if I was running the investigation.
02:00:54.920 I'd try to find out in the weeks ahead.
02:00:57.120 You can't outrun a thunderstorm.
02:00:59.620 Sometimes they build so quickly, you can't get over top of them.
02:01:03.160 That's the thing.
02:01:04.160 So this thunderstorm seems to have gone high up.
02:01:08.500 Forgive the pedestrian language, but it seems to have gone very high up in the sky.
02:01:13.900 And so it seems like they may have been having trouble getting on top of it because she tried.
02:01:19.100 They wanted to go up to 37,000 feet.
02:01:21.080 They got the permission.
02:01:22.260 And that's where the trouble started.
02:01:24.260 So is there a problem with a Learjet going?
02:01:27.280 Somebody was talking about updraft, which I didn't understand, but they said that could
02:01:31.080 have been a factor here.
02:01:32.400 So the Learjet originally was at 41,000 feet.
02:01:35.300 They descended back down to 35,000 feet.
02:01:38.020 My presumption is because it was a smoother ride at 35.
02:01:41.420 When they get down to 35, they get back into moderate turbulence.
02:01:44.980 That's where we first get her reports.
02:01:47.240 Now, what goes on inside a thunderstorm is there's updrafts and downdrafts.
02:01:51.480 Think of cylinders in an engine going up and down like this.
02:01:55.220 And what happens is when you get, like, for instance, hail comes out of the bottom of a thunderstorm, what's happened is all the moisture inside of it gets shot up in an updraft.
02:02:04.460 It goes up so high, it freezes.
02:02:06.620 It gets heavy enough, and then it falls down, and it comes down the downdraft.
02:02:10.660 It comes down the downdraft, gets picked up by an updraft, goes back up again, and the hail ball will begin to grow to the point where the storm can't sustain it anymore,
02:02:20.480 and it falls all the way down to the ground now there was no indication yet that there was hail
02:02:24.800 inside this thunderstorm but that's the convective activity going on inside it's it's extreme
02:02:31.000 friction that's why you need to avoid these things by about 20 miles if you try to fly over it they're
02:02:36.900 building up so quickly that sometimes you can't get on top of it so i don't know that they were
02:02:41.900 trying to go over top of it i think at 35 000 feet the ride was so bad they were just looking
02:02:46.740 for any other altitude to get to to get to a smoother ride what what i think here's my if i
02:02:53.520 was the ntsb investigating this i would be looking at the icing component of it because they already
02:02:58.220 reported icing and then they reported precip and you got the cold temperature there's a thing called
02:03:03.600 super large super cooled large droplets slds and slds at certain altitudes like 35 000 feet
02:03:12.760 if you fly into a storm will adhere to the leading edge of the wing but they're so large
02:03:18.780 that they don't they don't freeze immediately they flow back to the middle part of the wing
02:03:24.540 and then they freeze to the wing it builds a ridge like a little mountain on top of the wing
02:03:29.560 and it totally disrupts and kills all the lift on the wing so not only is your aircraft picking up
02:03:35.020 weight because of the ice the wings now stop producing lift and those wings turn into like
02:03:40.100 a vending machine it's just a big hunk of metal out there and the aircraft can't sustain flight
02:03:45.860 anymore the aircraft then dips down that one wing she said was 60 degrees angle of bank down you saw
02:03:51.640 that in the picture as it came down and hit the ground at that point the the aircraft is knife
02:03:57.660 edging out of control and it's virtually impossible to pull it out of that because of the conditions
02:04:03.080 over on the wing at the time that caused the loss of lift and that's what creates this kind of
02:04:09.040 missile effect of an airplane coming straight down as you can see in the picture so when the 0.57
02:04:15.560 when the air when she says it's banking 60 degrees that's that's going forward like ass up
02:04:22.460 you know nose down that's going on the side right so you can see that now at this point the nose is
02:04:29.380 completely down just before it impacts the ground but at first the wing one of the wings is going
02:04:34.040 to lose lift first and i think it was the most likely the right wing because she says we're 60
02:04:38.320 degrees i think she said right wing down but i might i might have just made that up but 60 degrees
02:04:43.460 down and then the nose of the aircraft falls through so the the aircraft stalls the wing
02:04:49.020 falls through the the you begin a knife edge but as you're accelerating down the nose the aircraft
02:04:54.320 wants to be aerodynamic so the nose then falls through they just simply can't pull the aircraft
02:05:00.260 out of that strong g-force that's forcing the airplane down besides the fact that their wings
02:05:05.920 are covered with ice. You know, there's not enough time for all that to melt in the basically 60
02:05:11.460 seconds it took for them to go from 35,000 feet to impacting the ground. At what point was it
02:05:18.940 unrecoverable? I think somewhere in the middle of her transmission. Again, I think if it was an
02:05:29.920 icing condition that caused this stall and this knife edge. I think it was unrecoverable probably
02:05:36.020 right from the beginning. Because she says, I'm looking here again. She asked if they can go to
02:05:41.760 37,000 feet, presumably to fly above the turbulent air. But moments later, she declared a mayday.
02:05:49.060 He said, what's the outside temperature? She said, minus 47 degrees Celsius. We're managing the ice,
02:05:53.460 but it is moderate turbulence. Let me know if you need anything else. I'm just working you into my
02:05:57.120 airspace right now. She says, now we're picking up precipitation. We need to climb. Roger, climb
02:06:01.660 and maintain. We're descending 8,000. Mayday, mayday. We're descending 10,000 feet per minute,
02:06:07.640 declaring an emergency. We are in an overseas condition. I'm not sure if that's the correct
02:06:15.460 transcription. I don't know. Descending 20,000 feet per minute. I mean, at that point, is there
02:06:20.480 any saving an aircraft that has ice on the wings and you're going down 20,000 feet per minute?
02:06:25.660 Most likely not. Most likely not. The FAA has four different categories for icing.
02:06:32.080 There's trace icing, which is you see a little bit of icing, but it's no big deal. It's not really building up.
02:06:36.960 Then there is light icing, where it's starting to build up in every airplane, most airplanes, that Lear has either anti-icing or de-icing equipment on board.
02:06:47.040 And you might want to wait for a little bit of ice to build up on the leading edge of the wing, and then you just, what we call dust it off.
02:06:53.260 You just turn on the de-icing equipment, and it breaks up, and your wing is smooth again.
02:06:58.020 There is moderate icing, where when you get into moderate icing, you want to get out of it as quickly as possible
02:07:02.720 because you're constantly using your de-icing equipment to keep up with the ice buildup on the wing and the fuselage.
02:07:10.260 There's a final category, severe icing.
02:07:12.480 That's where those SLDs, those super cool large droplets, would impact a flight like this.
02:07:19.300 that overwhelms the anti-icing or de-icing capability of an aircraft and the ice builds
02:07:25.640 up so quickly that you can't get rid of it and then it adds weight it kills the aerodynamic
02:07:32.460 lift over the wings and the airplane falls through like you saw so i think what happened was they
02:07:36.500 were at 35 000 feet they were in a really bumpy ride they were looking for to get out of the
02:07:41.240 precip that she reported but that precip was those slds building up on the on the wing this is all
02:07:48.320 theory by the way it's just i'm basing it on all the information i've got at this point building
02:07:53.420 up on the wing when they go to climb to 35 000 feet just that little bit of pulling back on the
02:07:58.320 nose to start to climb you lose they were right on the edge they were right on the margin right
02:08:03.660 there when they pull the nose up a little bit the airplane departs it immediately stalls and
02:08:08.520 it's unrecoverable i think at that point if the wings were covered with with ice in the scenario
02:08:14.940 than I'm describing.
02:08:16.280 But again, you know, there's no probable cause yet.
02:08:19.440 NTSB doesn't, as I said.
02:08:20.640 Yeah, we don't know.
02:08:21.560 Right.
02:08:22.580 Can I ask you about,
02:08:23.660 we've all sat in a plane on the tarmac
02:08:26.660 while they say,
02:08:27.900 we got to get the de-icing machine out here
02:08:29.860 and we can't take off yet.
02:08:31.580 And nobody ever complains about that.
02:08:33.820 You know, it's like everybody knows
02:08:35.440 that the de-icing machine is important
02:08:37.100 on their big commercial aircraft.
02:08:39.320 But, and I mean,
02:08:41.420 maybe they did that on the Learjet.
02:08:43.140 I have no idea where they started in Austin, though it seems unlikely in Austin, Texas, that they would need it.
02:08:49.140 I mean, when you're in the air, is there no, there's no de-icing?
02:08:52.640 Like what, how do you prevent re-icing when you're in the air like this?
02:08:57.440 So it's not the same as on the ground.
02:08:59.060 On the ground, they're going to apply a fluid.
02:09:00.700 Sometimes it's a gel.
02:09:01.840 It has a holdover time that gets you to the runway and a clear wing and a clear tail for takeoff.
02:09:08.480 And for a certain amount of time after that.
02:09:10.960 Once you're airborne, and they've been airborne for hours in this flight, there's no more of that type of de-icing.
02:09:16.960 But most airplanes will have some sort of a de-ice or an anti-ice system.
02:09:20.960 My Boeing 777 had an anti-ice system.
02:09:23.720 It sensed when ice was forming somewhere on the outside of the airplane, and it turned itself on automatically.
02:09:29.460 So it was heat in the leading edge of the wings, and it was heat in the outside nacelle of the engines.
02:09:36.120 that heat turned on would melt any ice so it wasn't a problem it happened automatically but
02:09:42.000 the pilots would monitor it if for some reason it didn't turn itself on as the captain i could
02:09:46.600 flip a switch and i could turn it on so that's that's a major airliner this leer most likely had
02:09:52.320 some sort of a de-icing system where the pilots are going to monitor she said we're managing the
02:09:57.200 icing which to me my interpretation of that is they're looking out the window and they can see
02:10:01.740 ice building up on the windshield wiper because it's metal and that's where you first see ice
02:10:06.460 build up when you see a certain amount of it then you flip the switch you dust off the wings you
02:10:11.140 heat up the wings the anti-ice goes off the reason you don't want to leave it on all the time
02:10:15.540 is because if you leave it on all the time it might melt and then create an ice bubble
02:10:21.220 over your de-icing system and now your de-icing system is ineffective it won't it won't get rid
02:10:27.260 of that ice bubble that's over the top so they'll turn it on and off on and off she said they were
02:10:31.720 managing it. But then she said, we're running into precip. And I can't tell you how rare precip
02:10:36.780 is at 35,000 feet. The way to not get in that situation is to avoid the precipitation and the
02:10:44.720 thunderstorm. You've got to fly more than 20 miles away from those things, or you're going to get
02:10:49.380 precip at 35,000 feet at minus 47 Celsius. One of the questions they were asking the NTSB was,
02:10:56.800 does this look like a pilot error or an air traffic control error?
02:11:02.600 Probably for this exact reason, because isn't the route you travel and whether you're going
02:11:07.280 to go into the storm or not more controlled by air traffic control?
02:11:11.740 Well, the three factors that they look at are the pilots, the plane itself, and then
02:11:16.520 the environment.
02:11:17.180 So the environment we've already talked about with the weather.
02:11:19.800 Why did the pilots fly into a thunderstorm?
02:11:22.040 Did they not see it on the radar screen in front of them?
02:11:24.280 I don't know.
02:11:24.740 Was it working?
02:11:25.740 if it was in op and it wasn't working then that's a factor but then that begs the question you got
02:11:31.260 to let air traffic control know that you're kind of flying weather blind at least you're not being
02:11:36.060 able to see anything on the scope in front of you we don't know any of that uh what we do what i do
02:11:40.720 know from the air traffic controller is that he said you're on the edge of my screen you're on
02:11:44.800 the edge of my system you're just coming into my airspace so that air traffic controller might not
02:11:49.920 have had that cell on his screen like the previous one did or like the the flight crew should it
02:11:58.780 ultimately is the responsibility of the flight crew not to fly into a thunderstorm so that's
02:12:04.500 what the ntsb is going to look at they're going to look at all those factors and they're going
02:12:08.040 to put them together in their investigation and find out was it a combination of just was it one
02:12:12.920 thing they contributed just the weather just the pilots or a combination of both usually in the
02:12:17.660 final analysis, it's a little bit of everything. There was a question about the stabilizer
02:12:25.000 on the plane, a horizontal stabilizer. Is that what it's called? I just want to make sure I'm
02:12:29.860 not saying the wrong thing. Yeah. That, um, whether the, some have said that the plane,
02:12:35.720 they think as it's coming down and that still grab that we have is missing its horizontal
02:12:42.440 stabilizer, which many pilots online have said, there is no controlling your plane,
02:12:48.900 your Learjet, if it's missing that. On this graphic we're looking at here, Kevin, what's
02:12:53.200 the horizontal stabilizer? So it's that little T-bar right at the top, okay, that makes the
02:12:58.580 letter T. It's the horizontal part of that. The vertical is the rudder, and then the horizontal
02:13:03.440 is at the top. So as I was looking at that picture, that still frame that you had just
02:13:07.960 before they hit the ground uh we saw that late last night and you're not really sure if that's
02:13:13.080 ai generated it's it's most everybody is saying that that's a real picture from the second before
02:13:19.200 impact it looks as though the horizontal stabilizer is missing off the aircraft now the question is
02:13:25.200 and this is nothing horizontal in other words that the tail of that aircraft you can see that
02:13:29.140 the vertical part going straight up but you can't see the little right horizontal wing not wing but
02:13:34.500 little like sort of right you can see the wings you can see the wings still there but you should
02:13:39.740 have two tiny wings at the back of the airplane and they're not there so uh the ntsb is going to
02:13:45.740 say two things did they come off prior to the airplane starting its descent and that's what
02:13:51.680 caused the descent or because of the overspeed and the g load and the and and the uh you know
02:13:57.780 the forces the g forces on the airplane that horizontal stabilizer came off tom chapman at
02:14:03.800 the hearing just now said two interesting things. He said, there is, and this is a quote, some
02:14:07.840 evidence of aircraft breakup prior to the impact. So I think they're already looking at the fact
02:14:13.320 that they think part of the airplane, probably those horizontal stabilizers came off. And he
02:14:17.700 said further after that, we may find parts away from the impact site. So I think they're already
02:14:24.380 kind of clued into the fact that this airplane, parts of it came apart prior to it hitting the
02:14:30.040 ground. Gosh, the news on who was on board the flight has been very hard to find. We only know
02:14:40.900 about the one pilot's identity right now, but this is just hitting. This is via the Palm Beach
02:14:48.160 Post. A married couple and their two children were reportedly among the nine killed on this
02:14:54.560 Learjet that crashed. According to the Palm Beach Post, the couple and their two toddlers
02:14:59.360 who were identified as being aboard the doomed jet
02:15:02.680 when it crashed near West Palm Beach on Sunday.
02:15:04.780 The outlet has not disclosed more about their identities
02:15:07.300 but said they interviewed family members on Monday.
02:15:09.740 One of the couple's fathers told the outlet,
02:15:12.540 it's quite a blow.
02:15:13.660 We had a daughter, her husband,
02:15:15.700 and two grandchildren on the plane.
02:15:18.660 Oh my gosh, this is so awful, Steve.
02:15:20.940 I just, I can't imagine what those poor families
02:15:23.540 are going through right now.
02:15:25.340 The only thing that makes sense about any of this to me
02:15:28.400 is at least one unconfirmed report that in some of these transcriptions, you know how people
02:15:34.400 enhance the sound, you can hear Natalie doing what she was doing, giving data about the plane
02:15:42.360 and its descent. And reportedly in one of these, you can hear the co-pilot who may have been flying
02:15:47.960 the plane saying they are a father, which is the only thing that makes any sense. To me, that's
02:15:53.820 And at some point, that's what an experienced pilot would understand was appropriate.
02:15:59.520 Yeah, it's the human side of this thing is always just so tragic.
02:16:04.140 And to hear that there were toddlers on board, that just breaks my heart as a dad and a grandpa.
02:16:09.800 We, my producer and I prayed, we cut a video today on this, it's being released now.
02:16:16.080 We prayed prior to it.
02:16:17.300 We always pray for the families and the victims.
02:16:19.300 And that air traffic controller who had to listen to this happen in real time, you know, those people have real lives, too, and they have to go home and, you know, and function after listening to somebody perish on your watch.
02:16:31.300 It's as hard as it gets, Megan.
02:16:35.120 It's just as hard as it gets.
02:16:36.400 And it just breaks my heart to even have to talk about these things.
02:16:39.760 But, you know, we're both in the business where we have to report on certain things that are very unpleasant.
02:16:45.440 Mm-hmm. It's too much to get your arms around. The only comfort that I have found today in
02:16:54.640 reading up on it is somebody who said, you know, you think of all these poor people out there who
02:16:59.680 died terrible deaths of cancer or some debilitating disease, and they have to live with
02:17:04.820 that knowledge for a long time. And a lot of them have to suffer very, very long times
02:17:09.200 knowing what the end is, especially if they've been given, you know, a fatal diagnosis.
02:17:13.340 and it's very difficult.
02:17:15.180 That's an emotional burden on a lot of people.
02:17:17.800 They can see the upside, a lot of these folks,
02:17:19.420 by saying, you know, they can say goodbye and so on,
02:17:21.960 but it's a lot to tax on a human soul.
02:17:25.000 And the only comfort in this one is,
02:17:27.260 while that could have, I mean,
02:17:28.300 would have been absolutely horrific,
02:17:29.940 at least it was brief.
02:17:31.940 At least it was, you know, 20 seconds of horror
02:17:35.760 and then it was over.
02:17:38.120 There's all sorts of conspiracy theories out there.
02:17:40.940 Captain, you know this.
02:17:42.020 People are saying, where's the plane?
02:17:43.340 it's just a big like hole in the ground. Can you explain for those who are wondering
02:17:47.960 where the plane went, where it went? Well, it's physics. I mean, Tom Chapman said,
02:17:55.080 they asked him about the debris field. One of the reporters, he said, it's a half a mile long
02:18:00.460 debris field and the debris is rather small. And those airplanes are not, it's not a big ship at
02:18:07.780 sea. It's not a battleship. It's an aluminum shell that's very lightweight on purpose.
02:18:12.080 So when it hits the ground at those G-forces, it's going to disintegrate. It just did. You know, there's no conspiracy here. It's just that's the way the physics of this whole thing work. So I'm not surprised that they don't have much to go on. They're just minuscule little parts after something hits the ground that hard.
02:18:30.200 we we pulled a picture of shanksville pennsylvania where of course united flight 93
02:18:37.500 went down on 9-11 and it was a similar problem that it went down with such velocity
02:18:43.180 there there wasn't you know a traditional plane carnage or you know sort of fuselage
02:18:51.740 that you could see it just must have hit with such velocity there too of course there was a battle in
02:18:56.420 the cockpit, as we now know, by the passengers who tried to make sure that plane did not go
02:19:00.920 into the U.S. Capitol, as we believe the hijackers intended. But yeah, I mean, there's going to be
02:19:06.700 very little to recover. And by some miracle, no one on the ground was killed. This could have been
02:19:15.100 so much worse. Yeah, that's the only silver lining on all of this is the NTSB said there
02:19:21.300 was one minor injury to a gentleman on the ground, but nobody was killed on the ground.
02:19:25.900 So there's one positive takeaway from a really horrible tragedy.
02:19:31.880 It just breaks my heart to even talk about this, but it is what it is.
02:19:37.300 Just to round it back to the pilots, I mean, my own takeaway in listening to you as a nervous flyer is it's better to fly commercial than private because there are different rules and different capabilities of the planes.
02:19:50.780 That's number one.
02:19:51.520 Is that true?
02:19:52.020 uh it's it's yeah it's complicated but you're going to get uh the training is top rate the
02:19:58.840 maintenance is top rate the airplanes are expensive they're sophisticated uh you're
02:20:03.720 going to get two or three or sometimes even four pilots uh like i said for me to get to that place
02:20:09.380 to get hired by a major airline and then become a captain at that major airline it was a lot of
02:20:14.300 dues paid over a lot of years so you've got that experience level that judgment that wisdom that
02:20:19.160 maturity, which begs the question, why in the world are we forcing pilots out at age 65? I've
02:20:24.860 been retired for a year now. I wear cheaters. That's about it. All right. I'm in great health.
02:20:32.720 I should still be flying an airplane. He's holding up reading glasses.
02:20:34.960 Right. But in the infinite wisdom of Congress, I'm too old to fly. I might be a safety risk at
02:20:42.200 this point. That's ridiculous. That needs to change for sure. To keep that older judgment 0.95
02:20:49.060 and wisdom in the cockpit and somebody's got to start someplace right so she's 20 years old she's
02:20:54.900 you know again she's got the world by the tail uh it's it's a sad story because of that i don't
02:21:01.860 cast any dispersions upon anybody that's young i think they're eager they learn their systems
02:21:06.900 they get qualified they pass the same check rides that i passed if she passed it three years younger
02:21:11.620 than I did. Good for her. Good for her. Yeah, I hear you on allowing the more experienced pilots 0.92
02:21:19.340 in there. We don't know anything about the second pilot and how experienced he was, but
02:21:22.480 it does seem like they needed somebody in there who could read radar and could understand the
02:21:27.240 risks to the Learjet and its horizontal stabilizer, et cetera, in going right into a thunderstorm.
02:21:34.700 That's what we all hope we have is an experienced pilot who says, you know, in fact, what you're
02:21:39.920 saying about the severe turbulence, back when I was a lawyer, I flew all the time. That job just
02:21:45.180 required a lot of flying, depositions, hearings in other states and so on. And flying out of Chicago
02:21:50.040 O'Hare, we flew in some terrible, terrible weather. And I remember the pilot saying,
02:21:55.980 because we had bad turbulence on a flight and I was scared, we were all holding onto each other.
02:21:59.620 And I said, is this severe turbulence? And the pilot said, we would not fly in severe turbulence.
02:22:05.880 like we we will not be getting this aircraft into a situation where we're looking at severe
02:22:11.360 turbulence and i felt comforted by that so but you're saying it sounds like they may have had
02:22:15.240 it on this plane so something went wrong in the the charting of the route or where they were told
02:22:20.980 to go like they shouldn't basically they shouldn't have been there to begin with and then by the way
02:22:25.300 many of the commercial airlines had canceled their flights through palm beach yesterday yeah
02:22:31.320 Yeah. Well, that's the woulda, shoulda, coulda afterwards in all of this. But the airlines are not allowed to be dispatched through known severe turbulence. So that's the plan on the ground. Now, once you get into the air, can severe turbulence present themselves? Yeah.
02:22:46.840 But once you start to get into moderate, I'm already looking for an exit strategy so we don't get into severe.
02:22:52.520 I had one flight many years ago.
02:22:55.040 It was probably 2014, 2015 time frame where we hit eight seconds, only eight seconds of severe turbulence.
02:23:01.980 It was clear air turbulence.
02:23:03.160 We didn't see it coming.
02:23:04.960 We were already in moderate, so we'd ask the flight attendants to take a seat in the back.
02:23:08.740 But it was the roughest ride I've ever had.
02:23:11.780 Four passengers got injured and three flight attendants.
02:23:14.680 but they were the people that weren't strapped in. So we had the seatbelt sign on. We told
02:23:19.820 everybody, I made a PA, everybody make sure your seatbelt is fastened, including the flight
02:23:23.800 attendants. For some reason, there were seven people that decided not to strap their seatbelt
02:23:28.440 in. And that's, those are the people that got hurt. So none of them seriously. I'm looking
02:23:34.000 for one of those, you know, you go on the, you go on down at Disney and you go on the
02:23:37.900 Space Mountain. I'm looking for one of those things on my airplane seat to come down,
02:23:42.040 to click, to hold me. Like I definitely wear the seatbelt at all times because why risk it? But
02:23:48.900 we have seen a lot of these smaller jets go down and you know, it's something about the Lear. It's
02:23:53.640 got that reputation of like a Lear jet, you know, like it's, it's something that like the rich and
02:23:59.500 famous would take. They discontinued the airplane. I think they no longer make them, but, um, the
02:24:04.960 horizontal stabilizer thing sounds a little disturbing. Like that, that thing shouldn't
02:24:09.560 come off. That should be so strongly affixed that it could never come off. I don't know if it would
02:24:14.400 have helped here. Sounds like the NTSB wouldn't say so either. They asked him, the question was,
02:24:22.420 when the pilot was making transmissions about gathering precipitation, is it the right maneuver
02:24:26.980 to climb the 40,000 feet as they requested? He said, I don't know that I would describe it as
02:24:33.540 the right maneuver, but it's one of the possibles. I don't know. Would you fly a Learjet still?
02:24:39.560 Uh, that's a complicated question. I would fly a Learjet. It's a safe airplane.
02:24:48.160 Am I looking for another job? No, not at the moment. But would I fly one? Yeah, absolutely
02:24:52.860 reliable airplane, very safe. You fly any airplane through a thunderstorm, and you're
02:24:57.480 going to have problems. It doesn't make any difference what it is. That Fly Dubai flight
02:25:02.360 that got hijacked and descended so quickly, the runner came off that airplane. But the rest of
02:25:08.020 stay together which is a minor miracle you know boeing built a nice solid airplane there uh lear
02:25:12.740 builds a nice solid airplane but there's all there's limits to everything megan there's only
02:25:16.660 so much you can expect out of a product and when it's it's hurling towards the ground at maybe two
02:25:23.460 or three times its normal speed and all the g loads on it something's going to give way i'm
02:25:28.820 surprised that the wings were still attached when it hit the ground it was it was descending so
02:25:32.900 quickly. But again, the investigation is going to find out when the horizontal stabilizer
02:25:38.580 departed, if it did at all. And was it the cause or was it because of the rapid descent?
02:25:46.460 Wow. Thank you. Thank you so much, Captain Steve. It's great to see you. You've got your own YouTube
02:25:51.380 channel that people should check out at Captain Steve on YouTube and you can see his download as
02:25:56.300 well. Thank you so much for always coming on and helping us and doing double duty.
02:25:59.520 My pleasure.
02:26:01.940 Oh, God.
02:26:04.220 God, rest their souls.
02:26:05.820 Pray for the families who are going to be dealing with a lot of grief now.
02:26:10.020 It's like we're going into Thanksgiving.
02:26:11.760 We're going to the holiday season.
02:26:13.920 That poor dad said he had a daughter and a son-in-law and two children.
02:26:18.740 They were two grandchildren, all of whom were on the plane.
02:26:22.380 As the identifications will come out, the sad stories will come too.
02:26:25.340 And this is like, hold your family close.
02:26:28.180 Make good decisions.
02:26:29.140 And, you know, it's like I think a lot of people look at flying private as a privilege and a luxury,
02:26:35.600 and there's a real question about whether that's true.
02:26:38.940 You know, I've had to do it many times in my line of work, and I always get scared.
02:26:44.620 I'm not a good flyer.
02:26:45.980 I always feel more safe on a big plane.
02:26:48.820 And if given the choice, fly the big plane.
02:26:51.420 There are some times when you can't, like you can't get into this location.
02:26:54.900 And I always get scared.
02:26:56.040 um you pray that the pilots have had adequate training you play that pray that the plane is
02:27:01.900 is safe i mean i will say that there are some services you know like you just go through a
02:27:07.280 broker and they get you some pilots and you have no idea who the pilots are you know that are they
02:27:11.900 experienced how many hours like there's no standards and then there's some companies that
02:27:16.280 have higher standards and higher prices too uh if you can go commercial go commercial doesn't matter
02:27:22.320 Coach, business, first, whatever.
02:27:26.020 It's been a long time since we've had a commercial airliner.
02:27:28.940 Well, I'll just leave it at that
02:27:30.020 because we don't want to say things like that out loud.
02:27:31.880 Sending all my love to all of you.
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