00:03:10.000Nothing bigger happened over the past 48 hours
00:03:12.460than politically speaking, than what happened in Michigan.
00:03:15.920Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I feel like if you're right of center, it's kind of like a popcorn eating moment. But if you're a leftist, you are very, very angry at Haley Stevens right now. Haley Stevens. She was so likable. But no, no longer. She's a Democratic representative, Haley Stevens. She's been forced to give up her seat because she ran for Senate.
00:03:43.740So she's winding down that congressional office.
00:03:46.560And the reason she's not in this thing anymore is because she lost to El Syed in the Democrat0.98
00:07:28.060But does she really have a huge constituency? I think if you're a Michigan voter and you had doubts about El Syed and you normally vote Dem, I suppose this could be permission for you to vote for Mike Rogers, but I doubt it.
00:07:50.320I just, I don't think she has any influence. Who gives a shit what Daley Steven says?0.98
00:07:54.960Ah, that's my own take on it. But watching the drama is highly entertaining. So she decides it0.99
00:08:03.040will be a good idea for her to go on with Anderson Cooper last night on CNN. It was amazing. The
00:08:09.100whole exchange was fantastic. It was like a 15 minute exchange. I felt bad for Anderson. He tried,
00:08:16.560He tried valiantly to get straight answers out of this person.
00:08:20.940If you're going to do something like this, like truly an 11th hour change of heart, going from Democrat to Republican, and you were in the Democrat primary, you better be able to explain it very clearly, cogently, and ideally persuasively.
00:08:41.160But she looked like a deer in the headlights in this interview.
00:08:46.580She looked terrified that she was there at all.
00:09:37.980You did not say whatever. I'm feeling less than enthusiastic now. You did a 180 and endorsed the Republican. So Anderson Cooper does his best to try to get this gal to say why.
00:09:52.980By the way, you'll notice her really her Michigander accent, it's kind of waned because
00:10:00.600now she's talking more like a normal Midwesterner who does have an accent, but didn't dial it
00:10:06.620up to 11 to try to get people on her side, i.e. she's a phony.1.00
00:10:12.980This woman is a phony, which some of us said during the primary.1.00
00:19:16.780This congresswoman is like, oh, someone's got to rescue her from the evil fist of her Jewish fiancee who's voting for Mike Rogers as if she can't figure out her own path forward.0.90
00:19:31.980This U.S. congresswoman who's been very strong in her stated beliefs thus far and had been saying she was going to vote Abdul all along.0.94
00:19:41.140What was the straw that broke the camel's back?
00:22:05.000Oh, that's how it went. So awkward. So uncomfortable. She did not do well.
00:22:10.900He asked her about her August post about Mike Rogers. Watch that.
00:22:17.040Sat 16. Back in August, you posted on social media, quote, Mike Rogers will be another rubber
00:22:23.060stamp for Donald Trump's dangerous agenda. We can't afford to give MAGA another Senate seat
00:22:28.120in november how do you why is it okay now why can you afford now to give mega another senate
00:22:35.280seat in november well why is it okay to have the democratic party and a top nominee that you know
00:22:43.200ejecting uh you know this type of or injecting rather this type of of anger and lack of kindness
00:22:49.320that's all i'm okay so okay so it's the you know and i just am telling people how i'm voting and
00:22:54.320there's others who feel the same way. So the anger and lack of kindness, I'm sorry, I don't
00:22:58.860want to talk over you. The anger and lack of kindness. No, it sounds like you're upset with
00:23:03.660me too, Anderson. No, I'm not. I'm just, you're not really answering any of my questions. So
00:23:07.180it's somewhat frustrating. You're saying the anger and lack of kindness, again, that seems to point
00:23:12.260to you being disinvited to this event. Is that to you? Correct. Is that his anger and lack of kindness?
00:23:24.320She just she wouldn't answer. We would have played it for you, but it was another dodge.
00:23:28.440And I do think it was a tell there where she said, I just don't think it's it's, you know, appropriate or whatever the word was to have him ejecting.
00:23:37.380That's the tell. That's what she's really mad about. He ejected her.
00:23:41.880He did not want her to come to his unity event. Who could blame him?
00:23:44.940Can you imagine if you had won the primary over this ninny?
00:23:49.120And she was like, I'll go to the uni event as long as you say the following five things exactly as I want you to.1.00
00:24:13.920it's very amusing i mean listen the democrats made their own bed i didn't nominate haley stevens0.99
00:24:22.360i thought she was bizarre we mocked her endlessly when she sounded like this
00:24:25.860when she dialed up that michigan accent by about five or six points here it is i am going to be
00:24:33.620working on our behalf i am going to be telling the stories on our behalf and you better believe
00:24:40.540I'm going to be doing it with a little bit of joy, a little bit of enthusiasm, a little bit of energy and a little bit of stick it to them, because that's the Michigan way.
00:24:54.460We tried to warn them. I mean, what what more? They reject our advice.
00:25:00.600You know, this person should not have been your representative.
00:25:03.160She should not have been one of your last final candidates.
00:25:06.300And now because she was like the moderate one, guys, Abdul, he's like DSA.1.00
00:25:12.380Last night he was on 60 Minutes arguing to get trannies back into girls sports.0.99
00:25:20.100So they could have gone with him or they could have gone with a moderate and they chose as their moderate this nutcase who is she's a phony and she's about herself.
00:25:30.700And now they are stuck with Abdul, who said this to Ras Duthat on 60 Minutes last night.
00:25:42.100What about, since this is a flashpoint in these debates, what about the rights of parents to control over their children's education?
00:25:51.940because a lot of places where there's tension between Islam and Muslim voters and what I'm
00:25:58.980calling cultural liberalism are around issues like what is taught in school? What happens with
00:26:03.900transgender kids on sports teams and so on, right? Like, these are places where rights are in
00:26:09.660conflict, right? What do you think happens there? I don't know that that's actually true. I think we
00:26:14.080manufacture these social issues, because here's the thing about it. Ross, you have an iPhone in
00:26:17.660your pocket probably, or is it an iPhone or a Samsung? You have a phone in your pocket, right?
00:26:21.500you can get access to everything and anything in the whole world, all the world's information in
00:26:26.000your pocket. The notion somehow that you are going to prevent your child from being exposed to
00:26:31.100something that you may find disagreeable and that that is going to be because of school is so
00:26:37.700profoundly outdated. Because of course you have all the information and they have all the
00:26:42.100information. I mean, I'm just going to say like a lot of the culture war issues that get fought
00:26:45.500right now are about trying to distract us from the fact that we can't afford our gas, can't afford
00:26:49.560our groceries, can't see a doctor, are worried about whether or not our kids are going to have
00:26:53.300a good life. And instead, we're out here talking about who gets to play what sport, which should
00:26:57.940be the question of the people who govern sports. I'm not running to govern sports.
00:27:02.920So a dodge. A dodge. He tries to make it sound like those of us who don't want boys and girls
00:27:08.160sports are really just trying to deprive our children of the knowledge that there are gender
00:27:12.720confused people running around out there who call themselves trans something. That's not it at all.
00:27:17.780It's a safety and fairness issue. And he's dishonest. He's lying. But here's one of the
00:27:27.800many reasons why the Michigan race is so interesting. On the one side, you got Mike
00:27:33.080Rogers, who, as I say, is your old school neocon Republican. I mean, straight out of the Fox News
00:27:38.380playbook circa 2010. So pro-Israel. He's reportedly got two people working for him right now,
00:27:46.980reports DropSite News, and they dropped the receipts on this, who are registered as foreign
00:27:52.120agents for Israel. Not long ago, the Mike Rogers campaign denied that this person, Abigail Ronson,
00:27:59.140who's the spokesperson for him, was in fact working for him. But they point out in this
00:28:04.800well-sourced report that, in fact, she has been making statements as a campaign spokesperson to
00:28:10.880media outlets, including to DropSite News, using an official Rogers campaign email address.
00:28:15.500And the New York Times, as recently as this week, also got one from her.
00:28:21.240So she does work for the Rogers campaign.
00:29:29.860On the other side, you got El-Sayed, who has, again, all these ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,
00:29:36.820which is an extremely controversial organization.
00:29:39.580and, you know, we've done countless segments with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and others on their connection
00:29:45.760to Islamicism, you know, Islamicism. I think I'm saying that correctly, but like,
00:29:52.060if you're an Islamist, that's different from being a Muslim. Now, some people will argue this,
00:29:57.440but if, I mean, if you are a true devotee and you're really following the edicts of the Quran,
00:30:04.460You are in seriously controversial territory when it comes to Western values, treatment of women, the separation of church and state, and sure, your feelings in some corners about Jews, and I do mean Jews in this context.
00:30:21.340So I understand the hesitation, the concern, the questions that some Jewish Americans have about him.
00:30:29.620But the overwhelming base of the Democrat Party and the independents are very critical of Israel.
00:30:36.060And they care more about separating our country from that one when it comes to foreign policy decisions and how money is spent and so on than they do about virtually anything else.
00:30:49.160So Democrats in Michigan are, that's why I think they're leaning toward El-Sayed and away from Mike Rogers.0.63
00:30:56.680And that's why they're very angry at Haley Stevens for making this declaration, telegraphing to those pro-Israel Democrat voters who feel really torn, and I get it, that it's okay to vote for the Republican.
00:31:11.460And while I don't think she's an influential figure, you know, could she have some sway on some swath in the middle in a very, very tight race?
00:31:17.880potentially, I guess, I guess certainly the Democrat party is reacting like she does because0.76
00:31:24.500they're all so mad at her. Though El Sayed in the wake of her endorsement of Rogers has received
00:31:31.160over a million dollars in new campaign donations. And there is some question about whether it has
00:31:36.220backfired. So we will see in Michigan how the voters actually feel and how this issue is going
00:31:43.240to be divided. You know, when I, I don't know what I do in Michigan. I just, I could never
00:31:48.180pull the lever for El-Sayed, but I am very, very, very over the neocon Republicans, very over.
00:31:54.640And I look at those two men and I think, okay, El-Sayed wants to endanger my daughter by putting
00:31:59.340boys in her sports. And Mike Rogers wants to endanger my son by sending him off to go fight
00:32:05.960another foreign war in the Middle East, because that's what Republican neocons have done,
00:32:10.600which I am completely against. So I'm glad I don't live there. Um, I vote in Connecticut
00:32:18.040and I will be voting Republican up and down the line, but I, it's, it's not easy. I mean,
00:32:25.400here they have no chance. So you actually don't think you're sending anybody anywhere. Um, if I
00:32:31.140lived in a state like Michigan, I, I just, I hate to say it so cowardly, but I might stay home
00:32:35.540because I wouldn't want the blood on my hands.
00:32:37.520I do not support anybody who's going to get us involved0.99
00:33:29.180I do want to tell you just the final thing about how now her supporters are suggesting that she's under the coercive control of the fiance.
00:37:49.660over well. Blanchard remained in touch with Stevens throughout the weekend and expected her
00:37:53.840to attend the church service. He only found out from the news that she was at the service with
00:37:59.320Rogers and endorsing him. Something snapped in her. She's going to be unsnapped in the next week
00:38:06.740and it snapped in 24 hours. Blanchard told Zach Gorchow of state affairs, and I don't know what
00:38:13.740Blanchard clearly pained by the situation said several times, this is not the Haley I know
00:38:19.120and lamented Turkish's quote, terrible political judgment. One more for you. Jordan Acker, by the
00:38:26.820her former campaign manager and half of her staff has left immediately. They were so horrified that
00:38:32.500she endorsed Mike Rogers. I mean, I don't blame them. It's like if you were working for Donald
00:38:37.340Trump and then suddenly Donald Trump said, you know what, I'm not endorsing J.D. or Marco. I'm
00:38:41.960endorsing AOC. He'd probably flee his administration too. That's how they see it.
00:38:48.800This person, Jordan Acker, is serving as a regent at the University of Michigan. He's a former
00:38:55.360attorney in the Obama administration, says he's a friend of Haley Stevens. Posted the following on
00:38:59.180X. Yesterday morning, afternoon, and evening, I spoke with Haley several times. At 8.58 this
00:39:05.820morning, she told me she intended to remain silent. I don't know. This had to be yesterday
00:39:10.840morning because it was yesterday that she announced she was going for Rogers. I don't know what
00:39:14.380changed in the two hours that followed. I want to believe she was being truthful with me. I've known
00:39:19.920her fiance, Jason Turkish, for years. I respect him as a brilliant lawyer and advocate for disabled
00:39:25.160Americans. He's legally blind. But I've become deeply troubled by his behavior. I've heard
00:39:29.820serious concerns about the treatment of Haley's staff, friends, and allies. My own experiences
00:39:34.700have only deepened those concerns. It's painful to watch someone you care about go through something
00:39:38.680like this. It is even more painful to worry about the influence of those close to her.
00:39:43.860I don't know what happened this morning, and I won't pretend that I do. Haley is my friend. I'm
00:39:48.760deeply concerned for her well-being. She deserves dignity, independence, and the freedom to make
00:39:54.220her own decisions. Oh, come on. This is ridiculous. Haley, blink twice if you're in there. Can you
00:40:01.940see me? Say Michigander. Like, come on. This is ridiculous. Her friends are so worried she's0.91
00:40:08.280being heave hoed right out of the Democratic Party, which is what's happening, that they're
00:40:12.200trying to blame the Jewish fiance, who was the first to say he was voting for Rogers. Come on.
00:40:18.280This is ridiculous. Blah, blah, blah, blah. It goes on for here. Turkish, by the way, is president and managing partner of Nyman Turkish PC, which is a law firm specializing in litigation, disability law and social security claims.0.99
00:40:32.200They met, he and she, after the 2022 election cycle through a mutual friend. Their first conversation centered on tax credit legislation like all great romances do.
00:40:43.100So Stevens was pursuing this legislation to help seniors and people with disabilities
00:44:44.260And it's not just some bitter ex-employee.1.00
00:44:46.120she provided the New York Times with text messages and emails and dates and other people0.99
00:44:51.580who could confirm the meetings, the many meetings Mary's top, top staffers were having in order to
00:44:57.500make this happen. And she wants us to believe she had nothing to do with it. Well, we'll see about
00:45:01.340that. We will see because the U.S. attorney and their investigators have subpoena power.
00:45:07.620So it's not like the New York Times. They actually can make Mary Poltola answer these questions
00:45:12.760under oath and can get her emails and her text message and her entire cell phone, for that
00:45:17.800matter. She's in a lot of trouble. And Dan S. Sullivan, the incumbent senator, actually seems
00:45:24.240to be benefiting a bit from this whole controversy because Alaskans are pissed. She's a liar at a1.00
00:45:29.900minimum. She's been saying all along the campaign had nothing to do with it. And now she's been0.99
00:45:35.100outed. And I don't believe her that she didn't know anything about it. Do you? I mean, do you
00:45:38.920believe that? I don't believe that for one second. She knew. You're telling me the chief of staff
00:45:42.220And all these staffers are working on it. And she has no idea. Like, gee, where are the staff? What meeting are they having? Bull. It's not some huge thing either. It's not like she had 200 staffers. It's like a small group who worked directly for her. She knew she had to have known. Here's Turley on Fox last Friday.
00:45:59.040These 30 subpoenas is equivalent of a saturation bombing campaign.
00:59:07.220I mean, imagine if this were your job.
00:59:09.520You had to look at these images all day, and you did it in order to catch bad guys.0.95
00:59:14.160But unlike these perverts, you found it nauseating.
00:59:18.960You know, you recoiled upon even just a few images of it, like this guy did,
00:59:23.300although it seems like there were more than a few in the storage facility.
00:59:26.040But imagine if this were your job all day, every day.
00:59:30.120It's no wonder they don't last long in these units.
00:59:33.240So this cop, obviously disturbed by what he found,
00:59:36.980They itemized all the material, a computer, thumb drives, VHS tapes, a stack of magazines before closing up and sealing the unit.
00:59:43.740Now they say that the public prosecutor in Mexico will submit a written report to the court within one day, but it is expected it will take weeks to examine all of the seized items.
00:59:55.540Now, Thomas Markle, just before Saturday morning's raid, was spotted being pushed between care homes in Florida.
01:00:02.680He told the Daily Mail on Saturday, I had no storage units in Rosarito.
01:00:08.380By the way, there are some reports now that he is saying he has dementia.
01:00:13.340He was accompanied by his daughter, Samantha Markle, and her boyfriend, Mark Phillips.
01:00:18.460Mark Phillips decided to speak with the press, defending his girlfriend's father,
01:00:23.540as Samantha sat nearby but did not speak, reports the Mail.
01:00:26.660He said, quote, the only statement that you're going to get
01:00:29.960is that Thomas Markle doesn't even have fingerprints on the stuff in the Philippines.
01:00:35.100He didn't even ever touch it the whole time it was there.
01:01:29.180Then there was this report in the UK Times that Meghan allegedly wanted to go public in 2019, which, you know, she's been telling that story since the news broke two Fridays ago about her father, quote, but was advised by the police not to do so.
01:01:45.940Now, this is parlaying on something she's already claimed, that she was shown this letter by the Metropolitan Police and that through a friend she got out that she was allegedly told to stay quiet, which we don't believe because the Met wasn't investigating it.
01:02:01.880Why would they tell her to stay quiet? All they had was the ramblings of a first wife who was an alcoholic, embittered, and apparently was a seven-page single-space letter that was like really ranting and raving.
01:03:11.380But there is zero chance that Rosalind Loveless knew exactly to whom to send this letter, given her alleged state.
01:03:21.620She alleges in this letter, reports this publication, again, I'm reading here from the UK Times, that Thomas Markle had sex with a child in the U.S.
01:03:39.700We know from Megan's breakup letter that she sent to her dad that was read to him when he was in the Philippines getting his leg removed in December of 2025.
01:03:48.080In that letter, she accused him of molesting children, which we assumed she got from Rosalind Loveless's letter of January 19.
01:03:56.380But now this is the first time we've heard that Loveless accused Markle of having sex with a child in America and that he regularly traveled to the Philippines and Thailand because he claimed that 12-year-olds are legal there.
01:04:09.420That we had heard, that she was alleging that in the letter.
01:04:12.640They write that it's understood that Megan, 45, was handed the letter by one of her royal bodyguards who assured her, quote, leave it with us, we'll investigate it.
01:04:22.240Okay, so now it's a bodyguard who gave her the letter? Because the information on this has been
01:04:28.820all over the board. You know, she alleged that someone wrote to the Metropolitan Police and that
01:04:35.920she was given the letter. Then she had third parties, clearly, go to the newspapers and say
01:04:40.660she was told that it was being investigated and to stay quiet. We, among others, called bullshit0.99
01:04:46.800on that, saying why would the Metropolitan Police say that to her when we now know they were not0.94
01:04:50.520investigating. They were never investigating. And now we get this, that one of her royal bodyguards
01:04:57.040said, quote, leave it with us. We'll investigate it. So she thought her royal bodyguard was going
01:05:04.860to investigate her father, who was living in the Philippines at the time. No, in Rosarito, Mexico
01:05:11.360at that time, and then moved on to the Philippines. Does that make sense? Doesn't to me.
01:05:18.920do not get it at all. The same officer is said to have advised the Duchess not to go public at a
01:05:27.000time when she was being criticized for cutting ties with her father without any explanation.
01:05:30.980On Saturday night, the Metropolitan Police, which did not investigate,
01:05:35.660was still trying to identify and track down the officer. This group would only have been
01:05:43.920interested in what it meant for the security of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Having assessed
01:05:49.640that, they should have thought about the wider consequences. I don't know to whom this quote
01:05:56.040is attributed. We should find out. But look, this is raising more questions now. Which royal body
01:06:03.140guard? Who? Is it somebody who works for the royal family to this day? Because if that person told
01:06:08.560her, allegedly, that leave it with us, we'll investigate it? Did the palace investigate it?
01:06:16.340What did they know? And when did they know it? Why should we let them off without a
01:06:20.600scratch on them? If they knew, if the royal bodyguard, who clearly works for the royal family,
01:06:27.300knew and said that, they need to do a full investigation on who it was and whether that's0.90
01:06:33.660true or whether this is just bullshit leaked to the UK times by people trying to cover for0.86
01:06:41.340Meghan Markle and, and, you know, who's in a lot of trouble over admitting that she knew that she0.86
01:06:48.760knew that was a policing source as my team who said the business about, um, this unit would only
01:06:56.800have been interested in what it meant for the security of the Duke and Duchess. And they should
01:07:01.340have thought about the wider consequences. So again, who within the unit, who, and do they
01:07:06.680admit that they told her? And all of this is secondary because the real bottom line is whether
01:07:12.680they told her any of this or not, she knew for seven years that there was no outcome. Why didn't
01:07:19.140she go back and figure out what was what? Why didn't she go back and say, what happened with
01:07:24.700the investigation that you told me you were conducting? Was he guilty or not? Is an arrest
01:07:30.260coming or not? Why or why not? This she cannot answer, which is why I believe she's just having
01:07:37.740random friends leak things to the Daily Mail. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, right?
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01:08:43.580I want to bring you the latest in the Russell Brand trial. We are also standing by for this
01:08:52.480NTSB presser on what happened with the horrific crash of that Learjet in Palm Beach County,
01:09:01.460Florida yesterday. It happened just eight miles from the president's Florida home
01:09:05.780at Mar-a-Lago, and there were nine souls on board, we are told, two crew, we believe,
01:09:14.660and seven passengers. We are awaiting details on exactly how it happened and what the investigation
01:09:23.440looks like. It should be underway any moment now, and when we get that information, we will bring
01:09:28.720it to you. And we also have our official pilot guest standing by who's going to walk us through
01:09:35.440what actually happened here. First, though, I want to get into what has happened in the Russell
01:09:40.540Brand trial, which has now gone to the jury. The jurors have been dismissed for the day,
01:09:46.340so they're not actually deliberating it yet. Keep in mind, the UK is a few hours ahead of us, but
01:09:50.500they've recessed, and the defense and the prosecution are officially done.
01:09:56.620So how about that? I think in total, this was four weeks. It was supposed to take eight or nine,
01:10:00.220took four. And it's very difficult to assess the closing arguments without having been in the room
01:10:09.200because the way a lawyer communicates, the way he or she argues, the way they use inflections on
01:10:18.240their words and so on matters. Also, who's got a better relationship with the jury? Who's been
01:10:24.640more charming. You know, we saw that with Kevin Reddington. Now we know that that jury was made
01:10:30.480up of a bunch of crazy leftist loons, but they bonded with him and the prosecutors in that case0.83
01:10:36.500were lackluster and they were tough to bond with, but he was very good. I mean, I would never take0.80
01:10:42.160that away from him. I don't buy his argument, but he's an excellent lawyer. He knew how to behave
01:10:47.940in front of a jury. And the question here is, how are they behaving? I imagine everything in a
01:10:53.600British accent and with polish and with some level of charm. But of course, it's an uphill
01:11:00.500battle for Russell because it's very tough to charm your way out of multiple rape and sexual
01:11:06.860assault allegations. So his lawyer has got a steeper mountain to climb. Let's go through what
01:11:12.920we know. We gave you the prosecution's closing on Friday. If you care to hear about that,
01:11:17.600you can go back and listen to that show. It's on YouTube right now. First, and not just first,
01:11:23.600But throughout, the defense lawyer hit on the so-called documentary.
01:11:29.900I mean, can I tell you, this is like, this seems to be their main overall defense.
01:11:33.120And while I have to tell you, like, I don't find that persuasive as a defense, I think it's a clever move because it's exactly the kind of thing that if you're looking to let Russell Brand off, you could make the argument in the jury room.
01:11:50.540Um, that's, that's what misled people. That's what made women reimagine their encounters with1.00
01:11:57.620him. It is the one thing that gives the jury permission to reject all six women's accounts
01:12:03.560if they're leaning that way, but don't feel they can because of the evidence, et cetera.
01:12:08.880So it is a clever move. I see why they're doing it. I see how the so-called documentary was very
01:12:15.900unfair to Russell, believe me. I just think it's tough to suggest six women saw it and were
01:12:25.760suddenly rejiggered into reimagining something that they thought was consensual into now suddenly
01:12:32.520it's rape. I'm more persuaded by Russell's political evolution, causing some women to0.99
01:12:39.080reimagine what happened between themselves and Russell. But whatever, that's just me. I'm not
01:12:43.380on the jury. So, you know, who cares? Who cares whether I'm persuaded? Let me give you the
01:12:50.040highlights here. His lead barrister, Ian Winter, recites an 1864 quote from philosopher John
01:12:57.320Newman. What I insist upon here. No, I can't do it. Now that I am bringing this portion of my
01:13:02.100discussion to a close is this unmanly attempt of his in his concluding pages to cut the ground
01:13:07.540from under my feet. This I call poisoning the wells. He points to the dispatches program
01:13:14.180as having poisoned the well of justice. He tells the jury that Russell had consensual sexual
01:13:20.140encounters with many, many women asking jurors to put out of your mind and any distaste you may
01:13:25.580feel for the way he lived his life. That way of living is not criminal. He urges them to do what
01:13:31.000the journalists totally failed to do, put all condemnation completely out of the mind and apply
01:13:36.660pure cold logic to the question, are we sure on the evidence we have seen Brand did do what is
01:13:43.380alleged? He criticized the program as one-sided, produced in a dramatic manner with actors playing
01:13:50.660the parts of anonymous women making allegations. He took umbrage with the description of it as a
01:13:54.840documentary. So did Russell while on the stand. He added that no journalist spoke to Brand during
01:13:59.960the making of it other than to protect their defamation risk by asking him for a right of
01:14:05.120reply, and on from there. The defense told the court, Brand is innocent. Casey Winter reminded
01:14:12.460the jury of what he called the devastating impact of the allegations against Brand,
01:14:18.540pointing out that in 2023, when all of this hit, the hospital would not let him go to the bedside
01:14:25.720of his baby son just after he had undergone heart surgery. Such a pariah was he made by that,
01:14:31.980quote, documentary. He told the jury that when he, Russell told the jury when he gave evidence
01:14:38.640last week that it was, quote, devastating to have that happen. The blocking of Brandt from
01:14:43.840the hospital, says Winter, tells you the extent to which public opinion has been perverted and
01:14:48.940corrupted. If it caused doctors to shun him, how many more people would have been caused to
01:14:54.540ostracize Brandt if doctors were affected in this way, asks his lawyer. Winter tells the jury it
01:14:59.740caused people to change what they thought about events that had happened a very long time ago
01:15:04.120because they now see what has happened through the lens of that program. It caused people to
01:15:10.240shun Mr. Brand, positively wish him ill before his trial took place and refused to stand by him
01:15:15.460and give evidence for him. You remember Russell testified upon being asked by Winter, could you
01:15:21.300find any witness to come forward for you in this trial? And he said, no, no one whatsoever wanted
01:15:25.800to testify on your behalf? And he said, absolutely no one. And they were trying to make the point
01:15:30.060he's been made a pariah. Like no one will touch him with a 10 foot pole. And perhaps that's the
01:15:35.240dynamic going on with the complainants in this case too. He runs through each of the six
01:15:43.060complainants in the case, discussing their evidence and suggesting the impact of that program
01:15:47.960was enormous on them. He quoted the fifth complainant. This is the one who accused him
01:15:53.800of an anal rape. Um, and watching the program, she said, it was the first time I'd felt a0.99
01:16:00.440monumental change. I got it. It wasn't me. Winter asks, one wonders what her evidence would have
01:16:07.360been if she had not seen the program. He says the six complainants are not random or independent
01:16:14.580as the prosecution has been saying throughout its case and its closing. He says the prosecution put
01:16:21.560great weight, both in the opening and closing, about the fact that these women all emerged
01:16:25.900independently. They don't know each other. He added, there is nothing random at all about them.0.89
01:16:30.800They have all come forward because they have been brought at the invitation of that program.
01:16:36.440And they say the very existence of these women is fundamentally corrupted. The existence of
01:16:44.500them as complainants is fundamentally corrupted by that program and the publicity and renders this
01:16:50.920fundamentally unfair. He tells the jury it's quite surprising that not one of the women who
01:16:55.580alleged that they were raped by Brand made that complaint to him. He says it's one thing not to
01:17:01.960report the incident to police or to one's employer, but to not make it known to the alleged assailant
01:17:06.880is something else. None of the complainants, quote, resisted or screamed or even tried to leave,
01:17:14.320he's saying. And there was testimony to that effect. He's saying, does that sound like women
01:17:18.980who were being raped, who weren't consenting. Not a single one resisted, screamed, or tried to
01:17:26.220leave, nevermind confronted Russell on it. Of the fifth complainant, again, that same gal who
01:17:32.260alleges this, yeah, he says she didn't roll over or kick out or try to stop him in any way from
01:17:39.400doing this to her. The defense also flags the complainant's words to her then boyfriend a few
01:17:43.760days later, I own that I had made the decision to go to his home. Brand was seeking approval
01:17:51.400and adoration from women, said his lawyer, Mr. Winter. It's an extremely curious feature of this
01:17:57.320case that out of many, many women Brand had sex with from 99 to 2009, the period of the charges,
01:18:03.260only three say they did not consent. He's using Russell's enormous numbers in the sex field now
01:18:09.680to benefit Russell. He had a goal of 5,000. Three women, three say he didn't consent out of 5,000.
01:18:17.400If this guy's running around just randomly raping women orally, vaginally, anally, wouldn't there be0.99
01:18:22.700more? Wouldn't there? And wouldn't there be testimony that there had been resistance,1.00
01:18:30.080screams, running, accusations, or attempts to leave, which there weren't? He suggests that that
01:18:38.660is a hole in the prosecution's case, saying they don't have a case thesis as to why Brand allegedly
01:18:44.760raped these three women and none of the thousands of others. He told the jurors what matters is
01:18:50.400Brand had an immense amount of sex and none of it was unlawful. He added disgusting, distasteful,0.98
01:18:56.960immoral. Who cares? It's irrelevant to your consideration. He had told the jury that living0.99
01:19:01.840a highly promiscuous life is entirely lawful, however morally distasteful you may find it.
01:19:07.320He returns to that theme now saying even being manipulative in the pursuit of consensual sex
01:19:13.200is completely lawful. Okay, he had to do this because part of the testimony that had come out
01:19:19.260that was not good for Russell was on Complainant One, who says she brought him back to her hotel
01:19:24.620room after midnight, after seeing him perform at a leftist labor event, and Russell was some
01:19:29.520entertainment. They went back there and she didn't feel threatened by him. She felt sexually
01:19:36.040safe with him because she thought he was gay. And then the prosecutor in Crossing Russell brought0.73
01:19:41.020up a passage from Russell's book in which he says he will sometimes act gay to put women
01:19:47.500at ease around him. And here you have his lawyer saying, even being manipulative in the pursuit of
01:19:57.460consensual sex is completely lawful. He says Brand was seeking approval and seeking adoration.
01:20:03.700he rounds on the prosecution's case saying that in desperation they they turned to that
01:20:10.980autobiography it's called my bookie walk of russell's to use what was written against him
01:20:15.740let me just try to kill that off says winter he tells the court in 2007 he wrote a funny book
01:20:22.440my bookie walk it contains some jokes he says the prosecution wants the jury to take what he
01:20:27.600wrote eight years after the event and somehow use it as evidence of what he was doing in 1999
01:20:32.640He then asks, do you remember the photograph of Brand as a seven-year-old child dressed somewhat effeminately?
01:20:39.960It was so obviously a joke, but the joke is it didn't work.
01:20:44.680That's the depths the prosecution has had to stoop to to show why complainant one invited Brand back to the bed suit bed sit in the middle of the night.
01:20:53.540When Brand was cross-examined last week, the prosecution accused him again of trying to act gay to gain the trust of women.
01:21:02.640And the caption of that picture in the book reads,
01:21:04.920This is the exact moment when I decided to act gay to attract girls.
01:21:30.560it's an unusual situation where both the prosecution and defense use the same evidence
01:21:34.020to show two completely different arguments, saying the prosecution used Berger's argument0.91
01:21:38.500evidence to show that Brand's promiscuity and insane and his insane sexual appetite.0.97
01:21:45.420The defense used it to establish Brand's highly promiscuous and insane sex appetite,0.98
01:21:49.060but also the fact that he was very open about what his sexual needs were.0.64
01:21:52.740Winter says Brand has always been extremely open and public about that promiscuity,
01:21:56.560pointing out that he's discussed it on stage in his jokes and in his books, which is true.
01:22:02.540He says Brand was pushing boundaries. His comedy was fresh and radical, and a lot of people found
01:22:06.600it very, very funny. His onstage persona was rooted in that honesty. Russell Brand's lawyer
01:22:12.640said this, the women who accused him described his behavior as normal after the alleged incidents
01:22:19.900and that this cannot have occurred if he was guilty. They would never use that word.
01:22:26.560He points out that the first complainant who accuses Brand of raping her in 1999 during that Labor Party conference doubted she had been raped, saying she second guessed herself and told the police so when she contacted them.
01:22:39.100It's simply not possible for you to be raped and think it is normal, he tells the court.
01:22:43.800The first complainant previously said she behaved normally on the day after the alleged rape.0.63
01:22:48.040He tells the jury this is a moment when the window opens and a chink of light comes through, a little chink of the truth comes through.0.71
01:22:54.680They thought it was normal at the time.0.77
01:22:57.660He tells the court there's no evidence Brand is some kind of a psychopath who rapes people and thinks it's normal.
01:23:02.480The fact that he behaved normally during and after all of those rapes tells you what you need to know.
01:30:19.180Turning to the third complainant who alleges that she was forced into giving him oral sex in a bathroom stall.0.96
01:30:24.240He says there are two essential problems with this woman's case.0.97
01:30:26.720As a reminder, the woman claims, the lawyer says she did not tell anyone Brand had grabbed her breasts or raped her in the mouth until September 2023.
01:30:35.240He calls it a very curious thing that she did not give full details when she called a friend in the early hours of the morning to tell him what had happened, but failed to say that she had been orally raped.
01:30:46.460Pressing the point of the importance of lack of consistency, Winter tells the jury consistency, I'm only banging on about it because it's fundamental.0.95
01:30:54.560And she had earlier been telling people Russell tried to get her to give him oral sex.0.90
01:31:01.920It only changed to he forced me to after she saw the documentary.
01:31:07.920Discussing the allegations of complainant number three, he said in September 2023, 19 years after the alleged assault and rape, she gets wind of the forthcoming TV program.
01:31:16.740He highlights a text she sent to friends saying people were calling and texting her to tell her about the program.
01:31:20.940He reminds the court that she said in evidence, I managed to get away before he could properly do anything to me.
01:31:27.480That she had said that, managed to get away before he could properly do anything to me.
01:31:32.260He says this is consistent with what Brand himself says.
01:35:37.040She felt discarded and used, said Ian Winter.0.99
01:35:41.100He mentions the evidence of the woman's former boyfriend who in his police statement said she, quote, came around to anal sex.0.93
01:35:48.260In another dig at journalists, he said the ex-boyfriend's police interview shows how fundamentally important it is that when you have police officers taking these types of statements, when they are in the hands of journalists, you have no idea what they are.0.75
01:36:01.300She went there and she consented and she wished and wished she hadn't done it.
01:36:06.580Flagging a voice note she later left in which she said she had not understood at the time that what she alleges happened is considered rape.
01:36:13.660The defense says that if the complainant thought she was consenting, then Brand too would have been under that impression.
01:36:21.060They spoke about the sixth and final complainant.
01:36:24.640This woman said Brand sexually assaulted her when she was working at Channel 4 on a project with him in 2009, asking her for a massage, putting his head in her lap.0.88
01:36:33.220They heard that Brand's breath felt hot on her genital area.
01:36:39.020The defense lawyer said he asked very few questions of the woman because Brand has said
01:36:44.780he cannot remember the alleged incident at all.
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01:42:34.880We have to bring you the latest on the breaking news out of Florida, where a Learjet private plane that was traveling from Texas to the Bahamas plunged from the sky Sunday afternoon, slamming into a roadway outside of Palm Beach, killing all nine on board.
01:42:54.880The video and pictures of the crash are truly horrific, but the audio is, I mean, it's just, it's too much to bear.
01:43:06.880We're going to start with what was captured on a dash cam.
01:43:10.440As the crash occurred, this was posted by a person named Aki Kusisto.0.99
01:50:42.200Some people will fly a Learjet for a Part 135 carrier, which this is, they don't have the same 1,500-hour requirements.
01:50:49.160So you can get on, build your hours to get on with an airline.
01:50:52.420So it's actually very common to see somebody of that age behind the stick of a Learjet, especially in the right seat as a co-pilot in this situation.
01:55:07.020you know, she was considered too young to have a glass of wine, and yet we're going to put her0.96
01:55:11.880behind the controls of a Learjet with the lives of nine people dependent on her? Tell me why I'm
01:55:17.060wrong. That seems too young. Well, she's not the only pilot in the cockpit, so there's another
01:55:21.620pilot with her, presumably a more experienced pilot. Everybody's got to start someplace. That's
01:55:27.220the key to all of this. If we want, if we're going to, if we're going to force pilots to retire at
01:55:32.740age 65 and we've got a pilot shortage, at some point you've got to get into the workforce. So
01:55:37.720what is too young? I think a lot of times a young pilot like that, they're eager,
01:55:42.400they're in the books, they study really hard. They've got to overcome a lot of obstacles in
01:55:47.060terms of people not thinking they can do the job. Listening to that little interview with her,
01:55:51.260she sounds like a pilot. She's just confident. She knows what she wants. She's going to go out
01:55:56.260and do it and it takes it takes years and years to get to a place where you get to be like a first
01:56:03.760officer at american or delta or united it took me 10 years to get to that place i had to start
01:56:09.140someplace i didn't start much older than her so uh you know the faa's got restrictions on all this
01:56:14.580sort of thing you can fly before you turn 16 you can't get a license until you're 16 i think you
01:56:20.260can't get instrument ratings until you're 17 but a lot of those younger pilots are into the books
01:56:25.820They know the numbers better than anybody else.
01:56:29.020And then coupled with an experienced pilot that has got the stick and rudder skills, that's the best way to learn and the best way to go about building your hours.
01:56:36.900So, again, you know, we don't know what happened to this.
01:56:39.780The NTSB is going to look at the airplane, they're going to look at the pilots, and they're going to look at the environment.
01:56:44.160I think the place they need to focus in on first is the environment.
01:56:47.760It looked like they flew into a thunderstorm, and the weather conditions, I think, are going
01:56:52.800to have a big factor with why that airplane dropped out of the sky.
01:56:57.260Let's talk about that, because you heard her describe, and the NTSB reiterated, first they
01:57:05.400say light, clear ice with moderate turbulence.
01:57:10.800Then they talk about an altitude deviation of 700 feet.
01:57:14.760it's minus 53 degrees Fahrenheit outside and very soon thereafter say we're picking up
01:57:21.420precipitation they ask for permission to climb to 37,000 feet and the air traffic controller says
01:57:27.920that's okay and no sooner does he give the okay for that than they talk about their rapid descent
01:57:34.620and she's calling mayday mayday by the way I mean I think we all understand mayday to be a cry of
01:57:39.300distress but what what is it officially what does it officially mean when a pilot says that to air
01:57:43.620traffic control. Yeah, mayday means you're declaring an emergency. And at that point,
01:57:47.660a lot of things go into motion. Air traffic control starts to clear everybody out. You get
01:57:52.320whatever you want if you declare a mayday. If you want a lower altitude, if you want to turn left or
01:57:56.520right, that's completely up to the pilot's discretion. You don't have to ask permission
01:58:00.840for that. You're telling air traffic control that you're in some sort of distress and basically
01:58:06.400you're piloting your airplane with no other inputs. So she declares a mayday, but it's already well
01:58:12.840into this rapid descent. It's what happened to the aircraft prior to that that led up to the
01:58:18.600rapid descent. That's where the NTSB is going to focus. And I think that's where the weather had
01:58:23.500the biggest impact. So describe if they're taking on ice and there's precipitation and there's an
01:58:31.920altitude deviation of 700 feet. Does that mean that's what's being caused by the turbulence
01:58:36.020to your aircraft? Yeah. So she checks in and says a couple of things. She gives a lot of
01:58:41.040great information. You don't normally get this from a pilot. She says we're managing the icing
01:58:47.820right now. So they were already experiencing some icing, which I'm telling you at 35,000 feet is
01:58:53.120extremely rare. You're usually above it all at that altitude. It's very cold. They ask her what
01:58:58.340the temperature is outside and she says minus 47. That's minus 53 degrees Fahrenheit. That's
01:59:03.720typically how cold it is at 35,000 feet. So it's not more cold or less cold than normal. That's
01:59:09.540just very cold. Then she says later on that they're experiencing moderate turbulence and
01:59:15.440that the aircraft is losing or gaining plus or minus 700 feet. That's extraordinary. I would
01:59:22.220call that severe turbulence, not moderate turbulence, but every pilot has a little
01:59:27.140different interpretation of what that is. That might be where some of the experience level comes
01:59:31.940in. If you can't hold altitude, that's severe turbulence to me. Severe turbulence now is a
01:59:38.340different beast altogether. Your aircraft is semi out of control. She also keys up the mic
01:59:44.660after that and says, now we're experiencing precipitation. Very rare that there's
01:59:50.820precipitation at 35,000 feet. The question I've got is, did they know they were flying right
01:59:56.880into what appears to be, and I have to say appears to be a thunderstorm? Because on the radar,
02:00:02.560you can see that big yellow and then red center that's a typically a thunderstorm uh and was their
02:00:09.360radar not working could they not see that did air traffic control turn them into that did they ask
02:00:14.320for a turn prior to that that took them into that the pilots should have seen that on their radar
02:00:19.440scope and avoided the faa rule is 20 nautical miles away from any known thunderstorm so you
02:00:27.120You have to stay 20 nautical miles away.
02:00:29.420So you don't try to fly over it, and you certainly don't fly through it.
02:00:33.700So that's where it's a combination of things.
02:01:32.400So the Learjet originally was at 41,000 feet.
02:01:35.300They descended back down to 35,000 feet.
02:01:38.020My presumption is because it was a smoother ride at 35.
02:01:41.420When they get down to 35, they get back into moderate turbulence.
02:01:44.980That's where we first get her reports.
02:01:47.240Now, what goes on inside a thunderstorm is there's updrafts and downdrafts.
02:01:51.480Think of cylinders in an engine going up and down like this.
02:01:55.220And what happens is when you get, like, for instance, hail comes out of the bottom of a thunderstorm, what's happened is all the moisture inside of it gets shot up in an updraft.
02:02:06.620It gets heavy enough, and then it falls down, and it comes down the downdraft.
02:02:10.660It comes down the downdraft, gets picked up by an updraft, goes back up again, and the hail ball will begin to grow to the point where the storm can't sustain it anymore,
02:02:20.480and it falls all the way down to the ground now there was no indication yet that there was hail
02:02:24.800inside this thunderstorm but that's the convective activity going on inside it's it's extreme
02:02:31.000friction that's why you need to avoid these things by about 20 miles if you try to fly over it they're
02:02:36.900building up so quickly that sometimes you can't get on top of it so i don't know that they were
02:02:41.900trying to go over top of it i think at 35 000 feet the ride was so bad they were just looking
02:02:46.740for any other altitude to get to to get to a smoother ride what what i think here's my if i
02:02:53.520was the ntsb investigating this i would be looking at the icing component of it because they already
02:02:58.220reported icing and then they reported precip and you got the cold temperature there's a thing called
02:03:03.600super large super cooled large droplets slds and slds at certain altitudes like 35 000 feet
02:03:12.760if you fly into a storm will adhere to the leading edge of the wing but they're so large
02:03:18.780that they don't they don't freeze immediately they flow back to the middle part of the wing
02:03:24.540and then they freeze to the wing it builds a ridge like a little mountain on top of the wing
02:03:29.560and it totally disrupts and kills all the lift on the wing so not only is your aircraft picking up
02:03:35.020weight because of the ice the wings now stop producing lift and those wings turn into like
02:03:40.100a vending machine it's just a big hunk of metal out there and the aircraft can't sustain flight
02:03:45.860anymore the aircraft then dips down that one wing she said was 60 degrees angle of bank down you saw
02:03:51.640that in the picture as it came down and hit the ground at that point the the aircraft is knife
02:03:57.660edging out of control and it's virtually impossible to pull it out of that because of the conditions
02:04:03.080over on the wing at the time that caused the loss of lift and that's what creates this kind of
02:04:09.040missile effect of an airplane coming straight down as you can see in the picture so when the0.57
02:04:15.560when the air when she says it's banking 60 degrees that's that's going forward like ass up
02:04:22.460you know nose down that's going on the side right so you can see that now at this point the nose is
02:04:29.380completely down just before it impacts the ground but at first the wing one of the wings is going
02:04:34.040to lose lift first and i think it was the most likely the right wing because she says we're 60
02:04:38.320degrees i think she said right wing down but i might i might have just made that up but 60 degrees
02:04:43.460down and then the nose of the aircraft falls through so the the aircraft stalls the wing
02:04:49.020falls through the the you begin a knife edge but as you're accelerating down the nose the aircraft
02:04:54.320wants to be aerodynamic so the nose then falls through they just simply can't pull the aircraft
02:05:00.260out of that strong g-force that's forcing the airplane down besides the fact that their wings
02:05:05.920are covered with ice. You know, there's not enough time for all that to melt in the basically 60
02:05:11.460seconds it took for them to go from 35,000 feet to impacting the ground. At what point was it
02:05:18.940unrecoverable? I think somewhere in the middle of her transmission. Again, I think if it was an
02:05:29.920icing condition that caused this stall and this knife edge. I think it was unrecoverable probably
02:05:36.020right from the beginning. Because she says, I'm looking here again. She asked if they can go to
02:05:41.76037,000 feet, presumably to fly above the turbulent air. But moments later, she declared a mayday.
02:05:49.060He said, what's the outside temperature? She said, minus 47 degrees Celsius. We're managing the ice,
02:05:53.460but it is moderate turbulence. Let me know if you need anything else. I'm just working you into my
02:05:57.120airspace right now. She says, now we're picking up precipitation. We need to climb. Roger, climb
02:06:07.640declaring an emergency. We are in an overseas condition. I'm not sure if that's the correct
02:06:15.460transcription. I don't know. Descending 20,000 feet per minute. I mean, at that point, is there
02:06:20.480any saving an aircraft that has ice on the wings and you're going down 20,000 feet per minute?
02:06:25.660Most likely not. Most likely not. The FAA has four different categories for icing.
02:06:32.080There's trace icing, which is you see a little bit of icing, but it's no big deal. It's not really building up.
02:06:36.960Then there is light icing, where it's starting to build up in every airplane, most airplanes, that Lear has either anti-icing or de-icing equipment on board.
02:06:47.040And you might want to wait for a little bit of ice to build up on the leading edge of the wing, and then you just, what we call dust it off.
02:06:53.260You just turn on the de-icing equipment, and it breaks up, and your wing is smooth again.
02:06:58.020There is moderate icing, where when you get into moderate icing, you want to get out of it as quickly as possible
02:07:02.720because you're constantly using your de-icing equipment to keep up with the ice buildup on the wing and the fuselage.
02:07:10.260There's a final category, severe icing.
02:07:12.480That's where those SLDs, those super cool large droplets, would impact a flight like this.
02:07:19.300that overwhelms the anti-icing or de-icing capability of an aircraft and the ice builds
02:07:25.640up so quickly that you can't get rid of it and then it adds weight it kills the aerodynamic
02:07:32.460lift over the wings and the airplane falls through like you saw so i think what happened was they
02:07:36.500were at 35 000 feet they were in a really bumpy ride they were looking for to get out of the
02:07:41.240precip that she reported but that precip was those slds building up on the on the wing this is all
02:07:48.320theory by the way it's just i'm basing it on all the information i've got at this point building
02:07:53.420up on the wing when they go to climb to 35 000 feet just that little bit of pulling back on the
02:07:58.320nose to start to climb you lose they were right on the edge they were right on the margin right
02:08:03.660there when they pull the nose up a little bit the airplane departs it immediately stalls and
02:08:08.520it's unrecoverable i think at that point if the wings were covered with with ice in the scenario
02:16:17.300We always pray for the families and the victims.
02:16:19.300And that air traffic controller who had to listen to this happen in real time, you know, those people have real lives, too, and they have to go home and, you know, and function after listening to somebody perish on your watch.
02:17:43.340it's just a big like hole in the ground. Can you explain for those who are wondering
02:17:47.960where the plane went, where it went? Well, it's physics. I mean, Tom Chapman said,
02:17:55.080they asked him about the debris field. One of the reporters, he said, it's a half a mile long
02:18:00.460debris field and the debris is rather small. And those airplanes are not, it's not a big ship at
02:18:07.780sea. It's not a battleship. It's an aluminum shell that's very lightweight on purpose.
02:18:12.080So when it hits the ground at those G-forces, it's going to disintegrate. It just did. You know, there's no conspiracy here. It's just that's the way the physics of this whole thing work. So I'm not surprised that they don't have much to go on. They're just minuscule little parts after something hits the ground that hard.
02:18:30.200we we pulled a picture of shanksville pennsylvania where of course united flight 93
02:18:37.500went down on 9-11 and it was a similar problem that it went down with such velocity
02:18:43.180there there wasn't you know a traditional plane carnage or you know sort of fuselage
02:18:51.740that you could see it just must have hit with such velocity there too of course there was a battle in
02:18:56.420the cockpit, as we now know, by the passengers who tried to make sure that plane did not go
02:19:00.920into the U.S. Capitol, as we believe the hijackers intended. But yeah, I mean, there's going to be
02:19:06.700very little to recover. And by some miracle, no one on the ground was killed. This could have been
02:19:15.100so much worse. Yeah, that's the only silver lining on all of this is the NTSB said there
02:19:21.300was one minor injury to a gentleman on the ground, but nobody was killed on the ground.
02:19:25.900So there's one positive takeaway from a really horrible tragedy.
02:19:31.880It just breaks my heart to even talk about this, but it is what it is.
02:19:37.300Just to round it back to the pilots, I mean, my own takeaway in listening to you as a nervous flyer is it's better to fly commercial than private because there are different rules and different capabilities of the planes.
02:19:52.020uh it's it's yeah it's complicated but you're going to get uh the training is top rate the
02:19:58.840maintenance is top rate the airplanes are expensive they're sophisticated uh you're
02:20:03.720going to get two or three or sometimes even four pilots uh like i said for me to get to that place
02:20:09.380to get hired by a major airline and then become a captain at that major airline it was a lot of
02:20:14.300dues paid over a lot of years so you've got that experience level that judgment that wisdom that
02:20:19.160maturity, which begs the question, why in the world are we forcing pilots out at age 65? I've
02:20:24.860been retired for a year now. I wear cheaters. That's about it. All right. I'm in great health.
02:20:32.720I should still be flying an airplane. He's holding up reading glasses.
02:20:34.960Right. But in the infinite wisdom of Congress, I'm too old to fly. I might be a safety risk at
02:20:42.200this point. That's ridiculous. That needs to change for sure. To keep that older judgment0.95
02:20:49.060and wisdom in the cockpit and somebody's got to start someplace right so she's 20 years old she's
02:20:54.900you know again she's got the world by the tail uh it's it's a sad story because of that i don't
02:21:01.860cast any dispersions upon anybody that's young i think they're eager they learn their systems
02:21:06.900they get qualified they pass the same check rides that i passed if she passed it three years younger
02:21:11.620than I did. Good for her. Good for her. Yeah, I hear you on allowing the more experienced pilots0.92
02:21:19.340in there. We don't know anything about the second pilot and how experienced he was, but
02:21:22.480it does seem like they needed somebody in there who could read radar and could understand the
02:21:27.240risks to the Learjet and its horizontal stabilizer, et cetera, in going right into a thunderstorm.
02:21:34.700That's what we all hope we have is an experienced pilot who says, you know, in fact, what you're
02:21:39.920saying about the severe turbulence, back when I was a lawyer, I flew all the time. That job just
02:21:45.180required a lot of flying, depositions, hearings in other states and so on. And flying out of Chicago
02:21:50.040O'Hare, we flew in some terrible, terrible weather. And I remember the pilot saying,
02:21:55.980because we had bad turbulence on a flight and I was scared, we were all holding onto each other.
02:21:59.620And I said, is this severe turbulence? And the pilot said, we would not fly in severe turbulence.
02:22:05.880like we we will not be getting this aircraft into a situation where we're looking at severe
02:22:11.360turbulence and i felt comforted by that so but you're saying it sounds like they may have had
02:22:15.240it on this plane so something went wrong in the the charting of the route or where they were told
02:22:20.980to go like they shouldn't basically they shouldn't have been there to begin with and then by the way
02:22:25.300many of the commercial airlines had canceled their flights through palm beach yesterday yeah
02:22:31.320Yeah. Well, that's the woulda, shoulda, coulda afterwards in all of this. But the airlines are not allowed to be dispatched through known severe turbulence. So that's the plan on the ground. Now, once you get into the air, can severe turbulence present themselves? Yeah.
02:22:46.840But once you start to get into moderate, I'm already looking for an exit strategy so we don't get into severe.