The Megyn Kelly Show - November 03, 2026


The KEY Election Day Storylines That Matter, with Victor Davis Hanson and Mark Halperin, Plus NEW Details About the Plane Crash | Ep. 1433

Horrifying Plane Crash in Florida, Haley Stevens' SHOCK Switch in Michigan, and Russell Brand's Closing | Ep. 1432

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00:00:58.940 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:12.340 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's finally here,
00:01:17.440 Election Day 2026, where control of Congress for the last two years of Trump's presidency
00:01:24.060 will be decided. The general consensus is that the Republicans are in for a thumping,
00:01:30.540 to use George W. Bush's word after a blue wave in 2006. But as we all know, the conventional
00:01:37.800 wisdom is not always correct. And the Democrats have serious popularity issues of their own,
00:01:42.800 not to mention the Republicans have all the money and they did a bunch of redistricting,
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00:02:43.700 President Trump's closing message yesterday, meantime, what did he do?
00:02:49.620 He wanted to speak in Washington.
00:02:51.380 OK, people thought that's fine.
00:02:53.320 And then for some reason, he wanted to go in front of the reflecting pool, which was second guessed by a bunch of Republican insiders who don't think that's a great story for Trump or for the GOP.
00:03:05.520 And here's a preview of his closing message.
00:03:10.020 Watch.
00:03:10.280 As you know, this is the last day before the midterm elections, the most important midterm, I believe, in our lifetime.
00:03:17.600 The Democrat Party has nominated the most extreme and dangerous slate of candidates in American history.
00:03:24.740 These are the most dangerous candidates ever put up. 0.85
00:03:29.320 There's never been anything like what we're seeing, jihadists and Muslim Brotherhood members and people that nobody can even believe what we're looking at. 0.79
00:03:38.940 and all committed to the same radical agenda, open borders, raising your taxes by trillions 1.00
00:03:45.860 of dollars, taking away your guns, transgender mutilization of your children, abolishing oil 0.94
00:03:52.440 and natural gas, sending energy, costs skyrocketing, and opening the floodgates to millions of 1.00
00:03:59.360 migrants from all over the world, hoping to get them to be able to vote. That's the only reason 0.97
00:04:05.960 they're letting them in there. So we'll defend our country, our culture and our heritage for
00:04:10.460 generations to come. We're going to keep it the way it is. We're going to make it better and just.
00:04:17.740 OK, this was not a bad closing, if that's all it had been. But the president seemed to really
00:04:23.800 want to talk more about the reflecting pool itself than the election. Here he is talking
00:04:30.540 about how poorly Presidents Obama and Biden managed algae problems. Tremendous algae problems.
00:04:38.680 And you have that picture with the algae. Yeah, let me see that. This is this was a picture taken
00:04:47.060 when it was just before they closed it down. We have great equipment in there now that this
00:04:54.040 doesn't happen. But the green, that's not grass, that's algae that it took over the entire pool.
00:04:59.000 and then they closed it down, but they didn't remove any of the dirt and the filth. And it
00:05:04.440 looked like that for, not like this, they took out the water. So all you saw was dirt and filth
00:05:11.080 and paper and everything else for years under the Biden and Obama administration is pretty bad.
00:05:20.880 Mr. President, let's stay on message here. You need Republicans to get to the polls
00:05:28.280 in droves to overcome the early voting advantage that the Democrats reportedly have.
00:05:33.500 We do not need today to be about the algae. But the problem is Trump is a builder and he loves
00:05:40.540 projects like this. And he really does believe that they've solved a major beauty issue
00:05:44.920 in Washington, D.C. that has been annoying for several administrations and no one's done
00:05:50.200 anything about it. But it's almost like just don't do not take the doggy to the dog park
00:05:56.980 with the liver snaps. Okay. Like it's, he is not going to be able to resist the liver snaps if you
00:06:04.100 put them right in front of him. Um, listen, that that's president Trump and he's not technically
00:06:12.240 on the ballot tonight, but in many ways he is entirely on the ballot tonight and will probably
00:06:18.200 be the driving force pro or against, you know, that's what we're going to find out in a matter
00:06:24.640 of hours. But there's no ignoring the 800-pound gorilla. Trump is going to drive the votes
00:06:31.160 tonight, pro and anti, and we'll be left to figure out what exactly the message is when
00:06:38.200 we get the final results.
00:06:39.820 Now, tonight, in just a bit, with a preview, we're going to be joined by Mark Halperin.
00:06:45.840 And kicking off our show today is the great Victor Davis Hanson. He's senior fellow at
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00:07:47.720 vdh great to have you back so the the final polls by the new york times sienna polling outfit
00:07:57.100 are terrible for the gop uh the only places that are in contention if you ask that group
00:08:04.480 uh are iowa and alaska in terms of the gop having a shot on the senate race all the others they say
00:08:12.900 are going to go down. The Atlas polling, which was Atlas Intel, which was the most accurate
00:08:20.260 polling. Nate Silver said this was the top performer of 2024 and actually predicting
00:08:25.380 all the states that Trump won and so on. They moved the Atlas Intel's rating from an A to an A
00:08:32.020 plus. I mean, it's an utter bloodbath, what they're predicting. They're predicting the GOP
00:08:40.520 loses everything. All the Senate seats that the New York Times-Siena poll projected, as well as
00:08:47.520 Iowa and Alaska and on and on. I mean, it just looks absolutely devastating. They've got
00:08:54.420 like Tallarico. They've got him up six points. They have got Troy Jackson up nine points
00:09:02.540 over Susan Collins. They've got the Democrat, Adam Hamilton, one time Republican,
00:09:11.480 up seven points over Roger Marshall in Kansas and so on. So it's very hard to know, right,
00:09:20.420 given how bad the polling mistakes have been in every election since Trump came on the national
00:09:27.060 scene in 2016. You know, my bottom line on most of this is nobody knows nothing about nothing.
00:09:31.680 but where do you stand? Well, I think that's right. I mean, I'm a historian. So in the last
00:09:37.760 126 years, the end party in the White House has lost seats, I think about 22, 25 in the House
00:09:46.880 and one to three in the Senate, except for three occasions. And that was FDR, 0.85
00:09:53.140 George W. Bush in 2002, but earlier Bill Clinton. So the odds are on that, especially when the
00:10:00.220 president is 40 percent but i also remember the same mood in 2022 where everybody said there was
00:10:09.720 going to be a red wave because joe biden was pulling 42 percent but not that much worse not
00:10:17.120 that much better than trump and the oil price was high remember gas got up to five dollars much
00:10:25.100 higher than it is now in july of 2022 and when the election was taking place it was gyrating
00:10:31.240 right around four dollars i think it's 4 30 now and people were that's a good point victor because
00:10:36.040 remember victor uh remember that joe biden then tried to blame the ukraine war even though those
00:10:41.800 prices had been skyrocketing long before russia invaded and it was psychological because he said
00:10:47.300 that he was going to subsidize green energy and they put a hold on federal leases they put a hold
00:10:52.420 on Keystone. But in addition to that, the people were very angry still. That was the turning point
00:10:59.440 the year before. It wasn't even a little bit more than a year. August of 2021, the skedaddle
00:11:05.720 from Afghanistan, that really turned off people. And then people were saying,
00:11:11.060 well, you said you were going to react to the invasion, depending on whether it was a minor
00:11:16.180 or major invasion, and you put a hold on it. So, there was a war that was unpopular, that was
00:11:21.500 affecting gas. Gas was at one point higher than it is now. The inflation rate was 9.1
00:11:28.300 cumulative in 2022, not 3.2. So what I'm getting at is when I hear that the election's going to
00:11:37.660 hinge this midterm on affordability as defined by inflation and gas prices and a war, I look back
00:11:44.940 to 2022 and the inflation was worse. Gas was not that much different. And while we weren't
00:11:53.120 indirectly involved, there was a lot of angst about Afghanistan and especially Ukraine. And Biden was
00:12:00.960 as unpopular as Trump is right now. So I don't know. The only difference is that...
00:12:07.820 And there was only a red trickle.
00:12:09.040 Yes. The difference was, yeah, they only picked up nine seats. They did take the House, squeaked by, and they lost one seat in the Senate.
00:12:19.260 People, I couldn't believe that. And I thought it would be based on the polls and the hype from the Republicans.
00:12:25.960 But the only difference that I can see that might not make the analogy valid is when that was happening, nobody was talking about affordability and war.
00:12:36.440 Janet Yellen was telling the people, oh, don't worry about the 9%.
00:12:39.620 It's only temporary.
00:12:40.820 The media kicked in.
00:12:42.620 Gas is not that high or it's not that bad if it is high.
00:12:46.120 And we're going to drain the petroleum reserve, which he did, that 40%.
00:12:51.040 We're going to go talk to the South.
00:12:52.980 But it wasn't a drumbeat, oh, things are terrible.
00:12:56.460 Because, I mean, if you look at the GDP, it's been revised to 3.4.
00:13:02.400 That was higher than the third quarter under Biden.
00:13:04.660 He was just, I think, 3.1.
00:13:06.780 The inflation rate was one-third of Biden's.
00:13:10.480 I said gas.
00:13:11.360 We have a record high per capita family income, record low poverty rate.
00:13:16.780 The Atlanta Fed, I think it says it's going to grow 5%.
00:13:19.860 So if you just look at, and we had manufacturing good news, if you look at everything across
00:13:26.520 the board and you compare it to 2022, it's much better.
00:13:29.720 but and trump is not much more as i said earlier not much more unpopular about as unpopular as
00:13:36.640 biden and biden survived uh that he he survived the senate um he picked up a seat in the senate
00:13:43.940 the other thing very quickly is when you look at these midterms and we all say doom and gloom but
00:13:51.940 historically if i just take two recent examples obama and clinton so clinton they both came in
00:13:57.920 with huge majorities in the House and Senate. And by the time of their sixth year in office,
00:14:04.500 the second midterm, they had lost both. And they had the biggest seat, I think,
00:14:11.220 the first midterm, Clinton lost 53 seats. Obama was worse, 60. He lost nine Senate seats as well.
00:14:19.060 And he lost another three the second midterms, 12. But my point is, what happened to their last
00:14:27.440 two years of their presidency. Well, Barack Obama said, I have a pen and a phone, and I'm going to
00:14:32.720 executive order my domestic policy. And then he said, I'm going to cut a deal with Iran, 0.99
00:14:39.960 the Iran deal. I don't care if the public is against it. I don't care. I'm not going to call 0.94
00:14:44.120 it a treaty. I'm not going to go to the Senate. And oh, by the way, I'm going to enter the Paris
00:14:48.640 Climate Accord. And they said, well, you have to have a treaty. No, I'm not going to go. It's not
00:14:52.980 a treaty. It's executive action. And then he said, very controversial. I'm going to recognize Cuba
00:14:58.300 and full diplomatic, and everybody said, you can't do that. He did it. In the case of Clinton,
00:15:04.920 his last two years, they tried to impeach him, which was a big mistake because the economy was
00:15:09.960 very good. He said, everybody liked two years of balanced budget. I'm going to get two more years.
00:15:15.980 Executive orders, he worked with Genrich. He did. And then he said, I'm going to bomb Serbia.
00:15:20.980 and they said you i'm going to help the european they said it's not our war they said the republicans
00:15:27.000 of all people said you have to get congressional authority for that he said i'm not going to do it
00:15:31.220 it's very unpopular he bombed for 77 days unlike the iran war he he hit dual use targeting he hit
00:15:39.740 bridges he hit electrical grids um and it worked 77 days they collapsed and then you think well
00:15:48.360 what was their ratings? Well, they had, at one point, Obama was 37% was his low and Clinton was
00:15:55.760 38, kind of like what Trump is. And when they left office after these two years of being wiped out
00:16:03.080 in two midterms and losing these huge majorities, and Obama, by the way, would lose 1,400 offices,
00:16:11.340 Bill Clinton left with the highest ratings in the modern period, about 71% when he left.
00:16:17.860 And Obama was about 60%. And it was almost like, well, when the president in the last two years
00:16:25.400 loses his congressional mandate, the only thing that really affects him are two things. He can't
00:16:33.360 make appointments in the Senate for cabinet or judicial appointments. And he has to have an
00:16:41.740 ironclad control over the minority in the Senate so they don't join the Democrats and override a
00:16:48.120 veto. Other than that, he can pretty much do what he wants, and this is what the irony is,
00:16:54.980 he can become more popular as Obama and Biden did because two things happen. The out party gets full
00:17:02.800 of itself like the Republicans did, and they'd say, we're going to impeach Clinton, which they
00:17:07.220 did, which was a big mistake, and gave him a lot of popularity. And they talk about all the things
00:17:13.360 they're going to do. They get more and more radical. They get an echo chamber. And the
00:17:16.680 president's kind of, well, I'm above the fray. I'm for the American people. I don't get engaged.
00:17:23.400 And then the second thing that happens in his last two years, the campaign heats up.
00:17:28.640 So basically, Clinton said, well, Al Gore doesn't want me on the campaigns.
00:17:33.100 You remember that? It was a really bad mistake. Clinton was very popular.
00:17:37.220 but he didn't go out and campaign for Gore. And Gore was off-putting, and Bush, and they were at
00:17:43.180 each other's throats. And the same thing happened with Hillary and Trump. And Obama basically
00:17:49.080 checked out. He didn't get involved. He was presidential. He went and played golf every day.
00:17:53.660 And it was almost as if the more you did not hear Obama, and the more you did not see him,
00:18:00.600 the more you like the abstract reality of him being president, first black president,
00:18:05.400 kind of, but we don't want to hear him because the lecturer says we don't want to see him because
00:18:09.140 he's obnoxious. And it went up. So what I'm getting at is there's some known unknowns about
00:18:15.740 this election given 2022, given the polls were pretty much wrong on the Israeli election.
00:18:22.360 They were wrong on the British Columbia provincial, really wrong on that, where the conservatives
00:18:26.980 swept into power for the first time. And then on the opposite way, they were wrong even about
00:18:31.880 brazil that was a i think a flawed election balloting process but they were wrong on that
00:18:37.640 and so they could be off two or three points and 22 gives us some pause and if you're going to have
00:18:46.220 a blue wave as everybody predicts and you wouldn't have close senate i don't think you'd have close
00:18:53.240 senate races in michigan minnesota and maine and they are close within three or four points
00:18:58.160 according to most polls and then even if it happens and he loses the senate and the house
00:19:06.360 and by the way he has a senate in the house in his second second half of his first half of his
00:19:12.180 second term in a way that obama and clinton did not they had lost earlier he can still do a lot
00:19:19.880 of stuff he can just like they did all he has to do is say i'm going to follow the model of bill
00:19:24.760 clinton and barack obama in foreign policy and by the way everybody's talking about illegal he kept
00:19:31.460 up the drone assassinations they had 500 of them nobody talks about that they killed five u.s
00:19:38.120 citizens they killed 2 500 people which probably deserved it if they were terrorists but he also
00:19:43.920 killed 800 citizens collect yes obama did nobody talked about that and he kept everybody said well
00:19:52.200 he only bombed Libya in 2011 for seven months. No, he kept doing. The last day in office,
00:19:57.660 he bombed Libya with no congressional authority. He hit dual-use targets. Donald Trump has not
00:20:03.780 used dual-use targeting at all, maybe one or two bridges. And he did it, and he was very popular,
00:20:10.640 and no one said a word. And so I think what I'm getting at is historically,
00:20:17.380 the presidency has assumed enormous powers that we, I don't know if the founders envisioned that,
00:20:25.960 but they can conduct treaties without Senate approval, unfortunately, as we saw with Clinton.
00:20:32.820 And I should say Obama, they can go and bomb without congressional authority.
00:20:37.860 And I think it won't affect his foreign policy, Trump, if he were to lose at all. And if he can
00:20:44.360 keep, one of the weird things about it is maybe he made unwise choices in endorsing MAGA candidates,
00:20:52.200 especially in Texas, but his Senate that survives will be far more MAGA than the Senate before
00:20:58.560 because they have kind of weeded out people like Tillis and Cornyn. So I don't think that you're
00:21:04.640 going to get apostates. And he will keep at least a 40-seat minority that's loyal that will support
00:21:11.860 him when he vetoes. The Senate will not overturn his vetoes. So this Senate will be, they will
00:21:18.260 impeach him. They'll investigate all of those people in the Trump family, Don Jr., all those
00:21:23.460 people who reportedly are gripped and are involved in that. It'll be a circus. But at some point,
00:21:29.640 it's going to be like, if they continue, it'll be like the five criminal in civil suits. It'll
00:21:34.940 be like the raid on Mar-a-Lago. It'll be like getting them off the ballot. It will, you know,
00:21:41.060 it will be impeaching him twice trying him as a it'll get tiring is what i'm saying and but the
00:21:46.240 only and then i'll just finish and shut up the big news will be in 2028 if they get a big margin
00:21:53.480 that left and if you get 20 or so people who are pretty sympathetic uh to the palestinian cause
00:22:01.800 or Islamicism. And if you get, I'll see Saeed wins the first, really, he and Tallarico, if they win
00:22:11.180 on a statewide, no one's ever won except for Crazy Bernie, but if they win a statewide race
00:22:17.240 and they take control of the Senate and House, and then you go into 2028 and you get a Democratic
00:22:24.740 president of that ilk, then they can do things that are going to be pretty amazing in this
00:22:30.880 country. They're going to open the border. I think they've said that. And they're not going
00:22:35.280 to deport anybody. Pack the Supreme Court. Yes, they will pack the Supreme Court the first thing.
00:22:40.100 And that's 169 years we've had nine justices. They will let in two states. I don't know how
00:22:46.420 they'll do it. You need Constitution, 75% of the states plus two-thirds of the Senate.
00:22:52.940 They will try that. They will get rid of the Electoral College illegally,
00:22:56.820 not through an amendment, but by the National Voters Compact. And they will end, the first
00:23:04.060 thing they'll do is end the filibuster right away. I think they'll do that in January if they win
00:23:10.500 the Senate. So everybody should be aware that this is not Bill Clinton's Democratic Party.
00:23:15.900 They have a revolutionary agenda, not just in their agenda topics, but they're fundamental
00:23:22.080 changing the system there will be no effort for voter id none of that dei will come raging back
00:23:29.180 it really will if you in 2028 and uh we'll see and we'll know we won't be we won't be pumping
00:23:38.140 14 million barrels of oil and pretty much immune from the worst crises that could happen in the
00:23:43.960 middle east we've survived that pretty well we're the biggest oh and we're gonna see massive tax
00:23:48.840 hikes too. Massive tax hikes and going after the billionaires, that'll be very popular. But
00:23:54.720 in here in California, if that thing passes, that'll be a model. And 1% of the California
00:24:01.240 population pays 50% of the income tax, which in turn pays about 30% of all the revenue.
00:24:08.020 You lose that tax base and we're losing 300,000 people a year. It's basically the billionaires
00:24:15.060 are paying for a dwindling number of people who make over $200,000. So it's going to be
00:24:23.400 a socialist agenda. And I don't have any problem saying that as a term of disparagement because
00:24:29.100 they say it. They're happy. It's not a term of opprobrium anymore.
00:24:34.960 Let me ask you about this Peggy Noonan piece in the Wall Street Journal from Thursday.
00:24:42.800 Okay. She entitles it, or the journal did, the case for a historic wave. The president should
00:24:50.200 be dealt a rebuke, a rebellion, and a rout. Only then can the Republican Party be rebuilt.
00:24:56.940 And she goes on, she makes a bunch of points in here, but the two I want to run by you
00:25:00.560 are what she thinks should happen to the Republican Party and what she thinks the
00:25:06.360 the new ruling Democrats, which we are likely to get, should do. First, she says the Republican
00:25:13.040 Party has to get healthy again. Healthy doesn't mean the establishment returns. It will never
00:25:18.840 return. The GOP establishment of 1990 to 2016 ran things into the ground, is discredited and over.
00:25:27.300 Also, they're 80. They destroyed the party by detaching from the legitimate needs and pleas
00:25:32.580 of its base and by secretly regarding that base as stupid nobodies. The new Republican Party, 1.00
00:25:39.000 the one that will have a chance at being born, will keep the good of MAGA. Man is not only an
00:25:46.140 economic animal, but has a soul. The base is not full of fools who know nothing of policy 1.00
00:25:51.420 and the good of the old establishment, professionalism, integrity, and understanding 0.98
00:25:56.440 of the economic facts that fueled America's 20th century greatness. Party intellectuals
00:26:01.760 or at least trying to return meaning to Pat Moynihan's wry 46-year-old observation,
00:26:07.260 of a sudden, the GOP has become a party of ideas.
00:26:11.740 She wants a remaking of the Republican Party that discards the more brutal aspects of Trump and MAGA.
00:26:20.140 And then she says the following to the Democrats.
00:26:24.160 It is likely true that if they get a big historic outcome Tuesday,
00:26:28.760 they will misread their mandate and go off on various toots.
00:26:31.760 They'll think that change by definition must be extreme or won't be noticed.
00:26:37.100 A growing number will continue their grim plotting toward socialist revolution.
00:26:41.400 What they should do is be sober and serious, as one would be in a national emergency, and we're in an emergency.
00:26:48.860 They should admit that they could go in many directions now, but what they choose is to govern wisely, to make things work.
00:26:57.220 They should establish competency.
00:26:59.280 Will they do this? Probably not. But they need to get healthy again, too. And their misunderstanding of their mandate just may start to set the stage.
00:27:10.020 OK, so you're the perfect person to ask about both of those takes, Victor, on how she thinks the current Republican Party needs the rebuke.
00:27:17.120 And the current Democrat Party, if it wins tonight, will misjudge its mandate. And the best thing it could do is to reject the temptation at excess and simply govern.
00:27:29.280 Well, if she's talking about Trump's tweets or his crudity, is that what she's talking about?
00:27:35.920 She talks about, she says, Mr. Trump's problem is that everyone on both sides of the issue
00:27:40.080 knows he's out of his depth in running a major war.
00:27:44.180 So that's one thing about Iran. 0.99
00:27:46.640 Yeah. So as a historian, I just look at wars that we've been in.
00:27:51.360 So we bombed for seven months in Libya and we destroyed the reformed second generation of Gaddafi.
00:27:57.780 I didn't remember her saying a thing. We didn't get any congressional authority at all.
00:28:03.940 I was operated in Libya. I almost died from a ruptured appendix by a wonderful
00:28:08.900 doctor, and we bombed his clinic, and I was trying to write with him to come to the United States.
00:28:14.120 Okay, we just were indiscriminate. We didn't refrain from duality. We hit ports. We hit the
00:28:20.220 TV station. We went into Serbia. We did the same thing. And we have lost tragically 23 people.
00:28:28.860 But we went into Afghanistan and we went into Iraq on the ground and we lost 7,500 people and over
00:28:37.040 60,000 wounded for nothing. And we left under Joe Biden about $50 billion and a billion dollar
00:28:45.380 embassy, a base, and equipment and infrastructure. Much of it went on to the international terrorist
00:28:52.760 march. But you know the Iran war is not popular. It's not popular. It's not popular, and people
00:28:57.580 are blaming it and him for high gas prices. Yes, yes, it's not popular. But it's ahistorical to say
00:29:04.420 that you go into the Middle East and you try to denuclearize, and I think you pretty much have
00:29:10.900 done that. 93 million people, the biggest bully in the entire Middle East, who's been threatening
00:29:18.320 the Gulf, threatening Israel, threatening everybody for 50 years, who's funded Ezra Law, 0.60
00:29:24.140 who has killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization. 0.53
00:29:27.240 I know, I know. We know all that. But I think what the voters think, Victor, based on the
00:29:31.720 polls, is that Trump did that in June of 2025. They believed in those strikes that he unleashed,
00:29:38.240 and they were not in favor, they certainly aren't now, of the second go-round in Iran.
00:29:43.260 They're much more worried about what they're paying at the pump.
00:29:45.280 Yes, but we haven't used ground troops, and we're not going to be in there for a forever war.
00:29:51.800 One way or other, it's going to end very soon, maybe two or three months, and that government is—
00:29:57.720 I mean, he's been saying that since the beginning.
00:29:59.380 He has been saying that.
00:29:59.940 His chief defenders said there was no way it would be going on when we got to the midterms.
00:30:03.780 I didn't say that.
00:30:04.560 Yet here we are.
00:30:05.320 I don't want to relitigate the Iran war argument we've done in 10,000.
00:30:07.140 but what i'm saying is that but i do want to talk about the peggy noonan yes that's my point she
00:30:11.820 basically she's hated the entire trump presidency this this piece mentions the iran war but she
00:30:16.560 doesn't like him yes she i think she thinks he is too rude yes he's so that's my point megan so
00:30:24.620 the way he talks the way he deals with people why doesn't he just say then that i think that the
00:30:31.100 MAGA movement was an improvement over what she said was, I guess she means a callous
00:30:37.800 Republicans that talked about privatizing Social Security or capital gains, capital
00:30:42.900 gains, capital gains tax, didn't worry about tax on tips or things like that, taxes on
00:30:48.620 Social Security of working people.
00:30:49.880 She could have given examples and then said, here's what a newly reformed MAGA that wasn't
00:30:57.220 going back to the Bob Dole, Romney, McCain paradigm would look like. That's all she had to
00:31:03.020 say. And give us an example. Is it Marco Rubio the head of it? Maybe he wouldn't be as contentious.
00:31:08.740 Is it J.D. Vance? Maybe they would be wiser and they would not be as eccentric. She could have
00:31:14.140 said that, but she didn't because she thinks that she has a despise. I can understand people get
00:31:21.420 very critical of Trump, but then just tell us. Well, she worked for Reagan too, and it was a
00:31:26.400 different time. It was a different country. It was, you know, Trump came in like a wrecking ball
00:31:31.740 because that's what the country and the party needed. They wanted that. And look, people get
00:31:37.360 tired of thinking about Trump all the time. Trump loves it. Attention is his oxygen. But the people
00:31:43.240 get tired of it because they want to think about themselves. But I do think her second point is an
00:31:48.060 interesting one because in my experience in this anchor chair, never underestimate the Democrats
00:31:53.860 ability to screw up their own storyline like they will they will overreach they will over impeach
00:32:00.800 they will harass every member of the trump family they will investigate investigate investigate as
00:32:06.800 opposed to doing the people's business and the reasons they'll do it are number one they want to
00:32:12.040 and number two they believe that's why they're i you know possibly going to be put back into power
00:32:19.860 In the same way Trump's base wanted him to go after the people who were behind the targeting of Trump supporters and Trump himself and tried to steal the election, all this stuff, and got mad when they didn't think Trump did enough of that, the Democrats think their base want investigation-rama for the next two years.
00:32:40.060 And I think they're wrong. They're dead wrong. If the Republicans are unlucky, the Dems will listen to Peggy Noonan and they'll focus on governing and not all this retribution type stuff.
00:32:52.940 No, that's not going to happen. And I said that earlier when I said in the case of Clinton and Obama, the Republicans overplayed their hand.
00:33:02.020 They always do. The party will overplay and the Democrats especially. And they'll do three things.
00:33:06.980 They won't just go after the Trump family. Slotkin said they're going to go after younger people who join the Trump administration.
00:33:15.380 And Susan Rice said the same thing. She said we're going to go after CEOs and people that supported it.
00:33:20.640 And Kara Swisher just said that. She's a big leftist mouthpiece who said she wants the guy affectionately called Big Balls who worked on Doge who's only 20 years old to potentially get dragged in front and criminally charged.
00:33:33.860 And the reason they're going to do that is that unlike the first term, which I thought was pretty successful, but the second term, whatever you like it or not, they went after the symptoms, not the causes of the progressive project.
00:33:46.920 And they said, how does the progressives become so influential and powerful when they don't have the Supreme Court, they don't have the Congress, and they don't have the presidency?
00:33:59.300 Answer, they control the institution.
00:34:02.300 So let's cut 270,000 bureaucrats, which they did, let's close the border, let's deport 500,000 criminals, let's self-deport a million and deport another, let's look at DEI and the indoctrination in the universities that creates that power they have, let's go after PBS, NPR, and a biased media.
00:34:24.640 you can call it what you want it might have been excessive but the left at least is smart enough
00:34:29.480 to say that counter-revolution was addressing how we have power we have power through the
00:34:35.900 foundations through the media through sports through dei through higher education through
00:34:40.500 the schools of education this guy is the first republican that woke up and said he wasn't going
00:34:47.160 to play by the marcus of queensberry rules and dole did and mccain did and romney did and the
00:34:53.480 Bushes did. But they never stopped it. They got more and more powerful.
00:34:58.320 Most of those people never won a presidential election.
00:35:00.520 Yes. And so it's more powerful. And that's why they understand correctly that if they want to
00:35:08.100 maintain their current level of influence, it transcends politics. They have to keep control
00:35:15.060 of higher education, K-12 foundations, entertainment, Hollywood, media. And this
00:35:21.760 with a wrecking ball, Trump comes in and says, I'm going to do what somebody had never tried.
00:35:27.440 I'm going to take them all on at once. And that was very controversial. But if she thinks-
00:35:32.520 No sacred cows.
00:35:33.080 Yeah. And if she thinks that the left won't do all this, or they won't try to change the country, 0.99
00:35:44.320 they are going to change the Electoral College, the Supreme Court, as we just said. 0.87
00:35:48.340 They don't want to just be in power. They want structural changes that make them always in power because they think they're moral.
00:35:57.380 Yes, that's so well said.
00:35:59.000 They feel morally superior. And then if she says she doesn't tell me what are you or anybody what a reform mega.
00:36:07.080 She says, well, I'm maybe she's a big Rubio supporter. Maybe she said Marco Rubio doesn't do these things like Trump.
00:36:13.300 He stays on message. Or maybe she says J.D. Vance is more successful in combating in debates. He was wonderful in the 2024 campaign on the Saturday talk shows. There's other people. DeSantis is a kind of a technocrat. They're all MAGA people. But she can just tell us. Would she then vote for them? I don't think she would necessarily. Or maybe she would.
00:36:37.740 And I don't totally credit her assertion that she believes the old establishment party is dead.
00:36:43.620 I think that's the one she's still pining for.
00:36:45.580 No, I think she is, too.
00:36:46.980 I don't think it's dead.
00:36:48.260 A certain faction of the party is.
00:36:50.800 Listen, I know you've got to go.
00:36:52.020 I love talking to you, VDH.
00:36:53.420 Thank you for being here, and we'll do it again soon, post-results.
00:36:56.540 Okay, thank you.
00:36:58.040 All right, see you soon.
00:36:59.060 Coming up next, Mark Halperin joins us with his predictions, or at least take, on where we are.
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00:38:03.480 the ongoing war in iran is front and center in this year's midterms and florida governor ron
00:38:12.120 desantis yesterday explained why that is hurting republicans so much in an interview with stephen
00:38:18.440 a smith watch here's the thing with iran and why i think it's been a big big drag um you know it
00:38:24.800 was launched he obviously ran saying he wasn't going to do a middle east where they did so we
00:38:29.240 have some of our voters who've checked out because they're like i didn't want any more middle east
00:38:32.980 wars and now we're doing it had that been wrapped up in like a week like venezuela was very quick
00:38:37.500 people probably wouldn't have been an issue right now right but what's happened is it's kind of an
00:38:41.920 open-ended conflict and it's having a direct impact on people's finances because they're
00:38:47.120 going to the gas pump they're saying energy prices have gone up and you know i made a comment this
00:38:51.600 weekend uh when i was campaigning for our attorney general candidate and some of these republicans
00:38:56.860 are saying oh well the gas don't worry you know it's not a big deal like they're trying to blame
00:39:00.640 No, no, no. Listen, we just got to be honest. Gas is higher. It hurts people, working class people, and it's higher because of this conflict. That's just a fact. If you can't admit that to voters, then you're gaslighting them and they're not going to listen to you on other things.
00:39:15.860 There you have it. The straight talk and Ron DeSantis. America's relationship with Israel has become a major point of contention as well. Their attitudes in America with respect to Israel and its government have changed dramatically across all three parties, Republican, Democrat and independent.
00:39:34.380 Less in the Republican Party, they remain overall supportive of Israel and its government, but less, far, far less than they were right after 10-7 in 2023.
00:39:44.680 And perhaps changes are already afoot because President Trump this morning on Fox and Friends on Election Day suddenly broke the news that the United States is ending its yearly aid of billions of dollars to Israel.
00:39:59.140 He said it casually during an answer about foreign policy and shocked the hosts, so much so that Brian Kilmeade had to make sure he had understood the president correctly. Watch.
00:40:10.780 We understand we've cut off aid to Israel, that we were giving them four billion and you're no longer going to be giving them four billion dollars.
00:40:17.620 We were giving them four billion. We are, but it gets cut off at the end of the year.
00:40:21.400 Why?
00:40:21.640 Why? Because they don't need it, Brian. I mean, I asked them because they don't need it. And because why should we suffer the slings from lunatics like an El Sayyad when they don't need it?
00:40:35.960 It's a bad it's a bad talking point because we say, why don't we give everybody four billion dollars? Israel's our number one. We give them more than anybody else. And they no longer need it. 0.86
00:40:44.860 we've been doing it for years. I've been doing it. But Israel is a very thriving country. They
00:40:49.860 don't need it. If they did need it, I would say keep it going. But Bibi Netanyahu, we reached an
00:40:55.860 agreement on that. And can I be honest with you? He brought it up. He brought it up. He said,
00:41:00.400 I think it would be appropriate if we do not receive aid, because he understands that this
00:41:06.720 is one of their points of contention. Joining me now to tell us what's going to happen today
00:41:12.760 is mark halperin he is host of next up with mark halperin on the mk media podcast network which
00:41:17.460 you can find on youtube and all podcast platforms mark i know you don't make predictions but give
00:41:23.220 us a sense of where things appear to be trending or is it true that nobody knows well first of all
00:41:31.040 having me on after victor david's hands is like having me on after frank sinatra it's just not
00:41:34.680 really fair. So I'll do I'll do my best. But, you know, going into today, things looked a little
00:41:42.740 better for Republicans, despite two public sets of data that showed Democrats way ahead in the
00:41:47.180 battleground Senate races. Republicans were feeling a little better going in today. Democrats
00:41:51.000 a little worse. But the early vote in places like Texas and Florida and Kansas has has alarmed
00:41:59.100 Republicans, Georgia as well. So I would say if you don't see a very robust same day turnout today,
00:42:06.520 you can lean towards the notion of a blue tsunami. But right now, with the exception of North
00:42:13.220 Carolina, I can't tell you a single red to blue flip that I that I'd be confident saying is going
00:42:18.080 to happen. They might all happen if there's a big blue tsunami. But but based on people I've talked
00:42:23.080 to ohio could stay red kansas should stay red iowa texas maine they all could stay red and and so
00:42:30.880 the short answer is i don't know anybody who's sure about what's going to happen but i do know
00:42:34.900 it's still possible as i've been saying for several weeks possible that there would be a
00:42:38.660 major blue tsunami that wipes out a lot of republican seats at all levels and you know
00:42:45.340 for lack of a better way of phrasing it why like why what is it we'll all be looking at the exit
00:42:52.500 polls tonight to get real answers to that. But what's your sense right now? Well, I think
00:42:55.760 political analyst Ron DeSantis was onto something saying the loud part even louder and nothing he
00:43:00.640 said there is the least bit controversial, but it was stunning, including to some in the White House
00:43:04.620 to hear their ostensible ally Ron DeSantis enunciated that clearly. If there's if it
00:43:10.200 happens, Megan, I don't think it's going to be a mystery. In fact, I think some people are going
00:43:13.440 to say, well, of course it happened. The president's unpopular for actions he took
00:43:18.940 that voters connect to the biggest issue in their lives for which they blame him.
00:43:24.880 It's pretty simple. That's how presidents get shellacked in midterms. And then from a
00:43:29.780 demographic level, we've talked about this before, you just turn four knobs. More Democrats are going
00:43:35.300 to vote today probably in these red places than usual. Many more independents are going to vote
00:43:39.800 Democrat than Republican than usual. More Republicans will not vote than usual in rural
00:43:45.260 areas and other places. And more will vote Democrat by a little bit than usual. If you
00:43:50.300 turn those four knobs, it's not hard to go from someplace like Kansas, where a Democrat hasn't
00:43:55.000 won a Senate race in almost 100 years, to winning. They also may fall just short. I don't think
00:43:59.900 you're going to see Republicans blow out Democrats in any of these contested races, but they might
00:44:04.240 win them all narrowly or a lot of them narrowly because we're still talking about that red wall,
00:44:08.680 about the historical changes Democrats would have to make to go from two years ago when Donald Trump
00:44:14.580 won these congressional districts and states by 10 points or more to Democrats somehow winning
00:44:19.540 them this year. The prediction by Hillary Clinton, for what it's worth, is that Trump is going to be
00:44:29.080 getting angrier and even more out of control if the Democrats win back control of the House and
00:44:36.760 Senate. And then she added this in SOT 11, where she appeared on The View. Where are we in America?
00:44:44.580 in politics and can it get worse well i hope it doesn't get any hope because we are truly at the
00:44:49.660 bottom and the kinds of things that have been said and done in this campaign you mentioned a bunch of
00:44:55.060 them um are really outside the pale of any kind of political discourse and what it does is coarsen
00:45:03.860 you know people's feelings desensitizes them you know that ad in ohio against you know amy acton
00:45:10.440 whom I know and is just a incredible person and to see what she overcame, the way her family
00:45:17.100 treated her, the way her mother betrayed her and how she's gone on to help people. I mean,
00:45:22.380 the Republican governor, Mike DeWine, put her in charge of the covid response in the state
00:45:28.380 that shows you what kind of person she is and how she was valued beyond partisanship and politics
00:45:33.860 And for Ramaswamy to do that and for Vance to defend it and Trump to defend it, it is not just a financial corruption we're dealing with.
00:45:43.960 We're dealing with a moral corruption.
00:45:45.560 And the moral corruption is deep.
00:45:49.280 Mark, I'm just wondering, which is worse, a nasty campaign ad or creating a whole war room devoted to destroying any of your husband's affair partners who want to come forward and talk openly about what he did to them?
00:46:02.400 Just, I mean, on the moral scale, if we're going to go to moral corruption, what do you think?
00:46:06.680 Well, I'll tell you who shouldn't decide.
00:46:07.940 The audience of The View should not be in charge of making that decision. 0.55
00:46:12.580 And with the nerve of Hillary Clinton to be talking to us about moral corruption, please.
00:46:17.260 Yeah. 1.00
00:46:17.560 I mean, the Clintons have what we call an Arkansas chutzpah.
00:46:21.880 Yeah, they do. 0.91
00:46:23.500 I'm not sure it's the greatest move for the Dems to trot Hillary Clinton out, along with Kara Swisher.
00:46:29.140 They're promoting their new podcast together.
00:46:31.600 Just to put people in, you know, into their minds, Republicans, as you point out, who might actually be thinking about voting Dem just to send the GOP a message who the standard bearers are of the other team.
00:46:42.140 Yeah, I mean, really, Kara Swisher and Hillary Clinton on The View and an Anderson Cooper is designed for a certain demographic that, as you say, necessarily where Democrats want to be playing right now.
00:46:56.340 But like most Americans, they have a podcast to promote and nothing will stop them.
00:47:01.000 So what do you make, you know, you're saying, wouldn't it surprise you if all the swing states remained red, but, and I was talking with Victor about the fact that this Atlas Intel poll, which was, according to Nate Silver, the top rated performer in 2024, obviously it did not miss the Trump wave that was coming then.
00:47:21.140 So it doesn't seem like we can write them off as a biased pollster is predicting all of these Senate seats.
00:47:29.180 Not like the crazy ones like South Carolina or Mississippi, but I mean, all the rest, Alaska, New Hampshire, Maine, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina and Texas are all going to go blue.
00:47:41.700 Yeah. You know, if you compare their results, the New York Times numbers, they're actually in some races more favorable to the Democrats than the Times and vice versa.
00:47:49.100 But both of them have the Democrats either even or ahead in all seven races.
00:47:53.880 They're very good pollsters. I've met with them and they have an innovative methodology.
00:47:58.420 They're not biased. They just they want to be the best.
00:48:01.120 So those numbers could be right. But and significantly in both the New York Times polls and the Atlas polls, the front runner in this case, the Democrat, the leader is is at or near 50.
00:48:12.360 And that's significant this close to Election Day.
00:48:14.580 At the same time, we know that it's possible that they're simply not able to accurately model the electorate or turn out Republicans.
00:48:23.560 I will say, again, I'm not a I'm not a predictor and I'm not someone who favors either side.
00:48:28.240 But although polls in the past have at times underestimated Republican support, they may actually be underestimating or they may actually be underestimating Democratic support here.
00:48:38.340 And so just as I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans saved all their seats, but North Carolina, they may not save any of them.
00:48:45.560 And if those two national or those two polls by national organizations are correct, they won't be particularly close either.
00:48:53.380 because i was listening to the new york times podcast yesterday and they were talking about how
00:48:59.060 they know that they have had trouble getting maga republicans to respond to pollsters and therefore
00:49:05.740 they have started all the pollsters kind of oversampling or extrapolating bigger numbers
00:49:10.900 from the maga republicans that they do get um they weight them more in their polls to try to
00:49:16.260 not make the same mistakes that they've made but they were openly discussing that risk that
00:49:21.340 But in an election like this one, where there is negative sentiment on the GOP side about Republicans, not to mention on the Dem side about Republicans, they're not sure if that is the correct thing to be doing this time around or whether they're doing they're overdoing it.
00:49:39.200 But, you know, if you look at some of the main issues that are firing up Democrats to vote and causing independents to turn towards Democrats in some numbers, most of those, or at least many of those, are issues that MAGA doesn't like Trump's position on.
00:49:53.460 They don't like his position on data centers.
00:49:55.320 They don't like his position on the war.
00:49:57.080 They don't like the high price of diesel.
00:49:59.500 They don't like how he handled Epstein.
00:50:01.540 All these things make it confusing to poll because when you're polling, if you want to make sure you get the right number of Republicans, but you want to make sure you get the right number of MAGA Republicans versus Romney Republicans.
00:50:13.460 But in this case, the additional complication is we talk on two way all the time to MAGA Republicans who maybe they're not going to vote Democrat, but they're going to sit it out because of the issues basket.
00:50:24.700 I just said they don't like the war.
00:50:26.500 They don't like the price of diesel.
00:50:27.680 They don't like the way Epstein was handled.
00:50:29.180 They don't like data centers.
00:50:30.880 So this I have said for months, this is the hardest midterm I've ever covered, the most complicated, the most difficult to understand.
00:50:37.520 And that extends to the polling. I don't control a polling budget anymore.
00:50:41.560 But if I did, I'd probably be doing fewer polls and spending a lot more in the individual polls to try to figure out the right way to model this electorate.
00:50:50.920 I don't think I'd be doing polling.
00:50:52.640 I've been saying to the audience all week that either the Democrats are going to take, you know, the blue tsunami is coming and they're going to take control of the House and the Senate or polling is dead.
00:51:03.020 It's dead. Move on without it.
00:51:05.260 It's one of those two things.
00:51:06.720 We'll know, well, we hope within a matter of 12 hours, if things drag, it may take to my birthday, November 18th.
00:51:14.260 We're told to find states like Alaska and possibly Maine.
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00:52:28.820 Kelly Show. Here's what Cal, she says, are the races with the most movement over the past few
00:52:36.360 days. It's all about the Mo, as they say. There's the Kansas Senate race. That race was tied on 0.94
00:52:42.360 Halloween, which, by the way, was just a couple of days ago. Now traders have GOP incumbent Robert
00:52:47.220 Roger Marshall down to 38 percent and Adam Hamilton, the Democrat, up to 62 percent. What
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00:53:03.340 to 52 percent this morning. What did he have, like a better Halloween costume than she did?
00:53:07.020 but traders now have that 150-50, so who the hell knows? In Michigan, the Senate race there,
00:53:12.540 all eyes are on it. Abdul El-Sayed's now at 77%, 77, I say, compared to Mike Rogers,
00:53:18.420 who's at 23. That's a seven-point swing in El-Sayed's direction in just two days. Apparently,
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00:53:51.680 Mark Halpern's back with us now.
00:53:54.400 So what do you make of the Michigan race?
00:53:56.060 I was not moved by Haley Stevens.
00:53:58.260 She's out on X this morning with another attempt to explain her move.
00:54:03.840 Like now she's clearly had somebody advisor and write this post for her.
00:54:08.020 The long explanation about why she's really not going to vote Democrat.
00:54:12.380 She's voting for Mike Rogers.
00:54:15.140 I wasn't moved by it, remain unmoved by it.
00:54:18.220 All the odds around El Sayed have only gone up, like, in other words, in his favor.
00:54:22.980 and um i i could be wrong but i just feel like that one is slipping away quickly from the
00:54:30.000 republican what do you make of it well you and i agree on on many points here including
00:54:34.480 you know there's a way to take a principled stand in the national spotlight
00:54:38.300 and enunciate with with the vivid explanation why you're doing what you're doing that's not 1.00
00:54:43.960 what she did she made a kind of a weeks a week stab at it at her press conference but then
00:54:48.500 on tv and on twitter it's just a mess i mean i'm pretty good at following non-linear arguments i'm
00:54:54.760 paid to do it for a living i can't even really understand like what her argument is i think if
00:54:59.100 he fed it on to chad gpt and said what is this woman saying you'd stump the band i don't know
00:55:03.780 that even chad gpt could summarize it he's nasty yeah he's nasty you know anderson i feel like they
00:55:10.320 were disrespecting me as my imitation um so yeah he no he he he was he he ejected he was for
00:55:18.840 ejection that's really what that was the tell and then she cleaned it up to i i meant injected
00:55:23.600 hatred anderson yeah so um again i'd like to see a parallel universe where this happened earlier 1.00
00:55:30.680 and where she enunciated and for all i know somewhere inside of her there is a principled
00:55:35.460 explanation for this but she's not done it and therefore you know the whole theory of this is
00:55:40.300 other people are given what they call
00:55:42.380 in politics permission structure to say, 0.99
00:55:44.280 well, if a Democratic congresswoman will do this 0.91
00:55:46.520 and I can do it too. 0.86
00:55:48.440 I don't think she's pulled that off.
00:55:49.840 And I'm a little, still a little skeptical
00:55:51.760 as I hear, keep hearing on MS now 1.00
00:55:53.600 that this is helping El Sayed,
00:55:55.440 but it certainly helped him raise 2 million bucks.
00:55:57.400 I don't know how quickly he can spend it
00:55:58.900 here in the last few days,
00:56:00.460 maybe just buy pizza for all the volunteers,
00:56:02.380 but a lot of pizza.
00:56:04.200 But I keep looking at her
00:56:06.980 trying to understand her explanation.
00:56:08.940 I see it about as clearly as her fiance sees her.
00:56:11.980 He's legally blind.
00:56:13.160 Yeah, I got it. 0.73
00:56:14.160 I got that joke.
00:56:14.800 I'm just saying.
00:56:15.380 I got that joke.
00:56:15.880 Very murky.
00:56:16.660 I would say that I misjudged the impact it would have
00:56:22.900 because when I first heard about it,
00:56:24.860 because I thought it would create a kind of a focus.
00:56:27.920 One of the things about the Rogers campaign,
00:56:30.080 and he's a very able guy and his team's very good.
00:56:32.040 I've known them a long time.
00:56:33.460 They haven't really decided what they want to say
00:56:35.520 about El Saad to run against him, right?
00:56:37.680 Is he too liberal? 0.80
00:56:38.940 is he too close to the muslim brotherhood is he too inexperienced is he too angry uh is he too
00:56:44.840 hostile to israel like they haven't really settled on on what they want to say so they
00:56:48.260 kind of say it all and um and and i think i think what she did didn't help because she didn't clarify
00:56:54.540 in her public presentation why should a democrat be against this guy i still don't really even
00:57:00.160 know why she is i agree with you completely i don't think the muslim brotherhood hits landed
00:57:07.460 just think the people who are offended by that, you know, those connections are already voting
00:57:13.280 for Mike Rogers. It's not really moving the needle for them. They needed to come up with
00:57:17.140 something else about his inexperience, dishonesty. He's a hothead. A lot of hotheads running this 0.96
00:57:23.160 year on, on team blue, like that Mary Peltola. She's screaming at the staff and throwing the 1.00
00:57:29.140 papers at them. Oh no, I wasn't throwing. They were, I was wishing them off the desk. She was
00:57:33.000 whooshing them off. And also she was just mad that they weren't finding more Dan Sullivan's to
00:57:38.520 run than the one they found. Yeah. They need a cubby of Dan Sullivan's. You know, I've wished
00:57:42.500 things off of desks that have caused extraordinary damage, even though that wasn't my intention. So
00:57:46.460 I get it. I've done my share of wishing. She's an angry, angry lady. She's a wisher. And then
00:57:53.220 there's apparently a drunk lady about to become governor potentially in Ohio. Why does that Amy 1.00
00:58:00.300 Acton sound completely hammered in every clip you see of her. Maybe just her stylized way of 1.00
00:58:06.400 speaking. But I have to say, just just subjectively in my own sense, I would not want to live in Ohio
00:58:11.140 if she wins. And I hear her state of the state address and listen to her give press conferences.
00:58:15.940 I just don't find it a soothing, a soothing way to spend my time.
00:58:20.720 Well, I think, you know, at a minimum, we can be comforted if she wins by the thought that
00:58:25.940 she'll have a designated driver taking her around and will no longer be behind the wheel.
00:58:30.580 Here's the latest example.
00:58:31.640 This is thought five from November 1st, Sunday.
00:58:35.380 Over $125 million and counting, full of lies.
00:58:40.980 Dick Celeste said they're lying and buying the way through the selection.
00:58:44.800 But all that money, it never moved the needle one inch.
00:58:51.120 What?
00:58:52.040 To be fair, to be fair, I've talked like that too after a three martini lunch.
00:58:56.400 I have.
00:58:58.120 I have.
00:58:59.400 I don't know.
00:59:00.420 That's my favorite version of you.
00:59:01.860 I don't know.
00:59:02.760 With olive juice on the side.
00:59:04.840 Thank you.
00:59:05.300 I don't know if that's her normal way of speaking.
00:59:07.220 Whenever I hear her speak, she speaks like that.
00:59:09.020 It has to be.
00:59:09.700 But that means maybe she can't be drunk all the time.
00:59:11.840 I don't know.
00:59:12.640 I don't know why she speaks like that.
00:59:13.880 She can't?
00:59:14.420 I don't know.
00:59:14.860 It's hard to be.
00:59:15.620 Have you ever known an alcoholic?
00:59:17.000 I have.
00:59:17.280 Because they can be drunk all the time.
00:59:18.680 Yeah.
00:59:19.340 They usually take a few hours break on occasion.
00:59:22.500 I don't know.
00:59:23.040 All right.
00:59:23.260 We need to see.
00:59:23.780 But not like going out in front of a crowd, you're nervous.
00:59:27.200 That might be the time where you'd be tapping in a little extra.
00:59:29.660 We've got to listen to it again.
00:59:30.600 Okay.
00:59:31.340 Over $125 million and counting.
00:59:35.960 Full of lies.
00:59:37.020 Dick Celeste said they're lying and buying the way through the selection.
00:59:41.080 But all that money.
00:59:42.360 It never moves the needle.
00:59:44.360 Lying and buying.
00:59:46.080 Lying and buying.
00:59:47.300 Waiter, I will not have the fourth opportunity.
00:59:49.720 I usually have a bill produced.
00:59:50.860 ossifer ossifer i swear i was she's she's gonna be fun to cover i'll say that if she wins i just
01:00:00.540 i don't i don't like listening to her just so let me ask you this what would be the biggest
01:00:05.860 surprise to you tonight like if if the following happens you'll be slack-jawed what uh florida and
01:00:12.260 louisiana uh senate races go democrat oh my lord well i said i'd be gonna start with like
01:00:18.020 baby steps like south dakota or mississippi uh do you mean south carolina south carolina i thought
01:00:24.820 for a while ever since uh dr andrews was on next up several months ago i thought for a while she
01:00:29.300 was going to win or had a good chance to win i should say and um wow and i i wouldn't be surprised
01:00:34.360 if mississippi darling you know we spend all this time talking about national trends and inflation
01:00:39.500 and price of diesel who the candidates are matter a ton and and although there are some democratic
01:00:46.280 candidates like tolerico and el sad who i think have been overrated by the press some of their
01:00:51.280 candidates are excellent they've made almost no mistakes it's not just that the liberal media
01:00:55.800 likes them loves them they've done a really good job of defining the race of not letting themselves
01:01:00.500 be defined by the democratic party adam hamilton's done that colom has done that in mississippi he
01:01:06.500 has done that annie andrews has done that i mean again i'm not covering them day to day i'm sure
01:01:11.720 they're making mistakes along the way but it's filtered through the national coverage they've
01:01:15.580 run nearly perfect campaigns and that's what it takes right it's not it's a necessary but not
01:01:20.740 sufficient condition but it is necessary you're not going to be a democrat who wins in a red state
01:01:25.180 if you're constantly making errors and they just haven't and uh not again not true not true of el
01:01:30.940 sad not true of talarico but the others have done a really good job and and uh their teams have done
01:01:36.540 a very good job on the subject of talarico we've devoted countless time to that raises i'm sure
01:01:43.780 you have as well. Is it the most expensive race in the country? Oh, yeah. It's number one. Ohio's 0.99
01:01:50.820 number two. Yeah. Okay. And I keep thinking about my friend, Jesse Kelly, who's also on the MK
01:01:57.560 channel. And he's from Texas. He's from Houston. He's run for office before. He served our country
01:02:03.340 honorably. And he just, early on, when Paxton got the nomination over Cornyn, was like, there's
01:02:09.960 just no way this always happens where people say oh the the democrat's gonna do it you know like
01:02:15.540 with beto it's too close for comfort but they don't do it i mean you know he felt as i felt
01:02:22.420 that there was just no way the state of texas would elect god is non-binary i'm a vegan you
01:02:32.540 know, Mary was pro-choice candidate for office. And yet here we are with him apparently leading
01:02:40.060 Paxton by significant margins in virtually every poll that's come out recently. And I just wonder
01:02:45.880 what if he wins tonight, Mark, what will be the explanation for that?
01:02:49.960 Well, I thought he'd be knocked out in August. I really did think that once the primary was over,
01:02:53.760 they'd run two weeks of negative ads or talking about a hundred things he said in the past that
01:02:58.680 would have knocked out any previous candidate. And so once that didn't happen, once he was still
01:03:03.120 standing, I thought, OK, we need to think anew. I've said for two decades, I didn't think a
01:03:07.760 Democrat could win statewide in Texas anytime soon. And so this is not I'm not one of those
01:03:12.880 people who thought Beto would win or any of these other people would win. It's it's it is for Texas
01:03:18.500 Republicans, just a horrible confluence of factors. What someone who's prone to use cliches would call
01:03:23.360 a perfect storm. Tallarico has raised a lot of money. He he's pumped up the Democratic base
01:03:29.580 and he's running against a guy who a lot of Republicans hate. They just have no use for
01:03:34.440 Paxton. If it weren't for Elon's checkbook, I think the race would be over. But Elon has kept
01:03:40.460 the kept the race there. And and and I'm not sure what's going to happen. I talk to people in both
01:03:47.300 parties there all the time and I'm just not sure what's going to happen. But but I know Tallarico
01:03:51.960 can win uh the fact that the governor's race has improved for governor abbott helps paxton but it's
01:03:58.460 not dispositive because i know because i've talked to many texans there are a lot of people who will
01:04:02.940 vote for for the governor for abbott but won't vote for paxton they'll leave it plank or they'll
01:04:07.340 vote for talarico the ticket splitting the latest poll though that atlas intel poll had had governor
01:04:14.560 abbott losing to he could he could absolutely he could absolutely lose it'll take a blue tsunami
01:04:21.640 as big as connecticut it'll take something massive but he could absolutely lose and and and again
01:04:26.400 it's it's hard to have fathomed these things like hasn't been a texas democrat statewide in 30 years
01:04:32.200 hasn't been a kansas senator in almost 100 years we're all we're all subject to just thinking as
01:04:37.560 are the political strategists in the states we're all subject to thinking of the historical models
01:04:41.600 It's just the numbers aren't there because they haven't been there in decades.
01:04:44.540 Well, the numbers can be there.
01:04:46.200 The numbers can be there if you get into a realm of saying, you know, black votes going
01:04:51.640 to swell, Hispanic votes going to swell and switch the Democrats.
01:04:54.760 Young people are somehow going to turn out.
01:04:56.720 Independents are going to switch.
01:04:58.720 Then it's understandable because these are states are not 70, 30 under normal circumstances.
01:05:03.820 They're like 55, 45.
01:05:07.200 Let me read you what Alex Berenson posted on X yesterday.
01:05:10.220 I really respect him. He's I don't I don't think I'd call him a conservative. I don't really know what his partisan stripes are to his credit.
01:05:18.240 He worked for The New York Times, but then he was like one of the chief covid skeptics who got targeted by the Biden administration and sued and won.
01:05:25.300 So, you know, he's gone through what we've all gone through and being gaslit by our government on things that matter when it comes to public health, etc.
01:05:32.000 This is what he posted. Clearly a reference here to Trump.
01:05:35.480 The old man was treated unfairly in 2016 when they tried to crown Hillary.
01:05:40.040 2018, when they pretended he was a Russian spy.
01:05:42.980 2020, when they pretended COVID was the plague.
01:05:45.860 2024, when they prosecuted him for the crime of beating Hillary. 0.98
01:05:49.460 But there's nothing unfair about the ass-whipping he is about to take. 0.99
01:05:53.400 He deserves every inch of it and more. 1.00
01:05:55.660 This time around, he has become the grifting, incompetent, doddering fool they said he was. 1.00
01:06:00.860 He has leaned into the caricature. 1.00
01:06:02.740 so far he's fallen over and taken the Republican Party with him. I take no joy in writing this.
01:06:08.200 I voted for him in 24 and hope for better, but the next two years will be brutal. And he has
01:06:13.340 only himself and the thieving courtiers he installed around him to blame. Wow. That's
01:06:19.720 some harsh stuff there, but does he have a point? At least, is he speaking for some disaffected
01:06:25.460 group of Trump 2024 voters there, Mark? He absolutely is. And when I did my litany before
01:06:31.700 of things that liberals don't like about trump that many mega people don't i should have included
01:06:36.680 the thieving courtiers i mean i hear this all the time from folks like they don't mind donald
01:06:43.540 trump being rich but they do mind donald trump and his family and their friends getting rich
01:06:47.140 while he's in the white house i hear it all the time you know you could add the ballroom to that
01:06:51.060 too me too you know and so and so if we see defections tonight from people three-time trump
01:06:58.700 voters who either don't vote in some of these races or who vote Democratic. It's not going to
01:07:03.640 be there's it's not going to be like a search for the answer. The only search will be for every
01:07:08.580 individual voter, which combination of data centers, Epstein, inflation, diesel, the war
01:07:15.060 and Bach raking, which combination will it be in the heart and soul of these individual defectors?
01:07:19.840 But it's a long list. It's a long list. And if you took Trump's name out of it, if you just did
01:07:24.680 focus group with MAGA folks right after the 24 election and said, what would you think of a
01:07:29.500 president who got us into an internet, a foreign war in the Middle East? Hate him. What would you
01:07:34.620 think of a president where diesel under his watch or her watch, the diesel went to $6, $6? What would
01:07:40.580 you think of a president who protected Jeffrey Epstein? What would you think of a president
01:07:43.640 who made, who along with his family made billions while they were in office? These things would all
01:07:50.060 be, what would you think of a president who stood with the billionaires who were making a fortune
01:07:54.260 over data centers and said, these guys should just be able to do whatever they want. I mean,
01:07:59.500 MAGA would say, well, I would never support somebody like that, even though it's the patron
01:08:04.540 saint and the leader of the MAGA movement. And I'm not making his positions cartoonish
01:08:10.760 or his record cartoonish. Those things, with the possible exception of Epstein,
01:08:15.120 those things are all factual. They're not spin or whatever. Those are all true.
01:08:20.140 And on Epstein, at a minimum, you can say they mishandled it in a way that allowed people to feel like they were covering something up.
01:08:27.420 So, I mean, Epstein, the bite that's going to be, it will live in infamy.
01:08:32.180 And I see it all the time in my comment sections is Epstein.
01:08:36.500 Are people still talking about Epstein?
01:08:38.720 Who wants to?
01:08:40.080 People couldn't, they couldn't believe what they were saying in that.
01:08:44.340 100%.
01:08:44.740 When Pam Bondi was in the room with that cat.
01:08:46.260 100%.
01:08:46.620 And it was shocking. And the tone of that is the same tone where he says one of my favorite Trump lines now affordability, affordability.
01:08:53.960 They say it's affordability. You know, again, like I want to see the exit polls.
01:09:00.140 I'm curious. But if there's a blue tsunami, you know, it's just going to be laughably obvious what happened.
01:09:05.820 And and and as Berenson said, he has no one to blame but himself.
01:09:10.020 all those things were initiated by him controlled by him decisions that he made he didn't make the
01:09:16.460 decision to raise the price of diesel but it's a direct derivative of a decision he did make
01:09:20.340 regarding iran and it's the same it's the same with israel it's the same with israel
01:09:25.300 i know what do you make of that like today on election day yeah on fox and friends i don't
01:09:32.540 know how neither okay we're gonna cancel the aid like i feel like the people who wanted the aid
01:09:36.560 canceled maybe that should have happened a couple months ago giving these some of these embattled
01:09:41.880 Republicans like Mike Rogers the chance to run on it I think that happened months ago I actually
01:09:46.080 I may be wrong but I think that's already been announced I think he was just repeating it I may
01:09:50.180 be wrong but that's my recollection well they've been saying it's gonna happen yeah but I mean he
01:09:55.880 kind of said it's done like the decision's been made well certainly he certainly intended to
01:09:59.320 emphasize it but you know the president sometimes has a great sense of timing and sometimes he has
01:10:03.500 no sense at all and i and anything he thinks he's going to do today or even yesterday that's going
01:10:08.900 to have some big impact on the election i think he's probably a little bit off and again i have
01:10:12.600 said after bill clinton he's the second greatest political athlete i've seen it in my career so
01:10:16.420 i'm not someone who's a critical of his general fingertip feel for things but he's he's definitely
01:10:21.340 messed this up even if there's not a blue tsunami you won't find anybody including people who are
01:10:25.600 friends of his and supporters of his and staff of his who won't say he messed he messed up a lot
01:10:31.020 of stuff in this election. So let's say we awake tomorrow to the blue tsunami. Let's just say it
01:10:37.780 happens. We don't know. What are we in for for the next two months, two years? I wrote a column
01:10:43.940 about this yesterday, and I'm amazed at how little it's been discussed because it has huge
01:10:47.860 implications for a ton of stuff. First of all, if you're this is kind of micro, but if you're a
01:10:52.340 Democratic strategist or advisor or staffer, you have a lot of jobs to choose from because every
01:10:58.100 one of those new members of Congress and every one of those new governors is going to have to
01:11:00.960 hire like 30 people. And then all the lobbying firms in D.C. are going to have to hire more 0.63
01:11:04.920 Democrats because they're going to have to deal with the majority. I think Schumer and Jeffries
01:11:09.020 are going to have a lot of decisions to make. Everybody talks about how they're going to be
01:11:12.580 captive to the left wing. But if there is a blue tsunami, we're going to have Democratic senators 0.78
01:11:17.580 from places like Iowa and South Carolina and Kansas who, if they want to get reelected,
01:11:22.460 they can't vote with AOC and Chris Murphy and other liberals. They're going to have to
01:11:27.600 figure out their own path. So Schumer and Jeffries are going to have a very complicated set of
01:11:31.640 decisions to make about how they manage the process. And of course, the president's going
01:11:35.320 to have to decide if he even tries to work with the Democrats. The Democrats are going to have
01:11:39.460 to decide if they confirm anybody or they just refuse to confirm any Trump judges even for two
01:11:44.400 years. And then and then obviously, you know, on the government gubernatorial level, but also in
01:11:49.540 Congress, what what are the policies? What are the policies on health care? What are the policies on
01:11:53.220 ai what are the policies on data centers like there'll be a lot of policy implications of this
01:11:58.240 it's not just about the politics of course it's also about how the country's going to be governed
01:12:02.260 in the wake of will not be it will not be as you well know it will not be a validation of the
01:12:07.680 democratic brand or any democratic ideas because they they offered none it's just going to be a
01:12:13.080 repudiation of the president and now from that wreckage both sides are going to have to decide
01:12:17.440 what the terms of the battle are and what what policies they want to pursue but the democrats
01:12:21.660 have no mandate for nothing it's uh i think it will be investigation rama you know i mean every
01:12:29.240 other day we're going to get a new person dragged in there and that will be a sideshow that doesn't
01:12:33.200 improve anyone's life it'll be very satisfactory to some democrats satisfying they'll be very happy
01:12:40.420 to see you know the the trump sons and alina haba dragged in there to figure out elon yeah elon
01:12:49.420 exactly. They're going to want to see all of that happen. But eventually, you know, people are going
01:12:54.380 to want to see that they're doing something for them. I don't know. Like, I suppose you can make
01:12:58.340 the argument that Trump will be relegated to his pen and his phone. But that's kind of the way it's
01:13:03.460 been since he was elected in 24 because I don't have 60 votes, 60 vote threshold. Look, I think
01:13:09.100 the Democrats want some stuff, right? They want the Obamacare subsidies back. They want the Medicaid
01:13:13.720 cuts restored they want money for hospitals restored um and and so the question is going to
01:13:19.340 be is the president going to give him any of that in exchange for something or is it just going to
01:13:23.740 be a face-off until we have a presidential election and and if you booked jeffrey schumer
01:13:29.140 and trump i don't think you could get the answer to that because it's just not know it's just not
01:13:33.460 knowable right now it's very interesting to me that you set up your zoom shot with like a another
01:13:39.660 chair in the background there, but the asymmetry of it is you must not have any OCD at all. I don't
01:13:45.520 think my OCD could have handled that. Yeah. We're in a temporary apartment. So you, you should be
01:13:49.680 lucky that I'm sitting down. You should be lucky I have wifi. Uh, but yeah, I have the same, I have
01:13:54.180 the same view of the shot and every, every so often I think I need to move that. And then I sit
01:13:58.020 down and plug myself into my headphones and I haven't moved it. I don't know. I find it kind
01:14:02.980 of solid. Or you need another one on the other shoulder. Either one. I find it kind of Salvador
01:14:06.800 or Dolly. It's just like, you can't look away from it. And then people are paying less attention
01:14:12.420 to how tired I look. So it's got its upside. You can't look away. It's going to start to
01:14:18.580 make me tick. Yeah, I know. Next time I'm on, I'll throw a bubble cuddle blanket over it or
01:14:26.080 something. Thank you for that. Thanks for everything, Mark. Good to see you. Thank you.
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01:15:55.080 an update for you now on the terrible plane crash that happened in palm beach florida two days ago
01:16:06.280 this lear jet that went down that we spoke uh about yesterday now we know the names of the
01:16:13.980 victims who are on board the doomed flight um they include adam robinson his wife helen sharp
01:16:22.080 They're two young children, and they're friends as well.
01:16:28.560 There was, let's see, hold on a second.
01:16:31.240 I want to get my facts in front of me because I've got a bunch of information.
01:16:36.320 His wife was, Adam Robinson's wife was Helen Sharp.
01:16:38.940 He was 44.
01:16:40.400 He was an Austin tech entrepreneur.
01:16:42.100 His wife was 40.
01:16:44.400 She ran a communications firm called Influential PR and also owned a successful Aspen-based
01:16:49.600 pottery studio called Helen Sharp Ceramics.
01:16:52.080 They had their two children on board with them.
01:16:54.740 Little Bella was four.
01:16:56.320 Charlie was two.
01:16:58.460 It's too awful to think about the fear those children must have been feeling.
01:17:04.220 Anita Maria Apolito Satina was the family's nanny.
01:17:08.140 She was with them, said to be like a member of their family, traveling with them.
01:17:12.600 And another couple who was clearly friends with Adam and Helen.
01:17:17.440 Their names were Rachel Reed and Charmy Fair.
01:17:20.920 uh rachel worked in austin at a salon she was a nurse and she worked at a salon where they 0.97
01:17:29.780 do cosmetic procedures and she was said to be uh a quote permanent makeup artist like the kind of 0.94
01:17:36.520 makeup artist that could give you who like permanently great eyebrows that kind of thing
01:17:40.520 and the people who went to her said she was amazing at it and she was always so pleasant
01:17:45.080 to deal with and, um, just kind and loving. And it was apparently very, very much in love with
01:17:51.660 Charmy. Uh, that together they owned, uh, a boutique hotel in Honduras. So that's another
01:17:59.460 fact about the two of them. Their, um, representatives, their family members put out
01:18:06.060 a joint statement after they died, basically acknowledging that they were gone saying with
01:18:14.920 broken hearts, our families share that Adam, Helen, their children, Emma and Charlie, Rachel
01:18:19.900 Reed and Charmy Fowler and Anita were among those lost. Adam and Helen were devoted parents. Emma
01:18:26.300 and Charlie were the light of their lives. Helen and Adam were the love affair that will last
01:18:32.180 forever. Their warmth, generosity, and gift for making people feel welcome touched so many lives.
01:18:38.520 Charmy and Rachel were full of joy and adventure. They loved their people fiercely, fully, and
01:18:43.580 without hesitation, from the moment they met. They were all in on each other and the life they
01:18:48.440 were building. They are deeply loved and we will miss them endlessly. Anita Maria cared for Emma
01:18:53.540 and Charlie with tenderness and devotion. She was truly part of the family. They said, we ask for
01:19:00.020 privacy as we grieve. Details about the memorial services will be shared once the arrangements
01:19:04.180 are made. I don't know if they just called Emma Bella as a nickname because I have seen her name
01:19:11.660 listed. Emma's name listed as Bella, so that's unclear to me. We are learning more about the
01:19:18.020 pilot of the aircraft as well. His name was Jeff Gregory. He was 55 years old. His wife,
01:19:26.300 Cheryl, survives him. She's 53. They have three children. According to a longtime friend and
01:19:31.580 former neighbor named David Peters, Jeff grew up attending Limerick Chapel in Pennsylvania.
01:19:36.520 says their parents worked at the church, and the two of them attended a small Christian school
01:19:42.080 together. Jeff loved wearing his leather bomber jacket. He eventually pursued that childhood
01:19:48.780 dream of becoming a pilot. He remembered Jeff as very diligent and dependable. His church emailed
01:19:56.800 congregants to break the harrowing news, reports the U.S. Sun, that the pilot was among the nine
01:20:02.800 confirmed dead in Sunday's crash. He went home to be with the Lord, they wrote, when the plane he
01:20:07.580 was flying crashed. He was an experienced pilot. He had been flying since at least 2016. It may
01:20:16.980 have been longer than that, but that's certainly one of the dates on which he received one of his
01:20:21.800 licenses and certifications. He was licensed to fly the Learjet 60 and had no pilot in command
01:20:30.060 restriction on the Learjet 60. There was an unconfirmed report yesterday that he did have
01:20:36.840 a restriction, but it appears to have been untrue. This guy, Adam, who appears to be the main force
01:20:45.300 behind the renting of the jet, Adam Robinson, was much beloved in the tech field. And what's really
01:20:52.000 bittersweet about his story is he seems to be one of those Silicon Valley guys or Wall Street guys,
01:21:00.460 I guess in his case, who actually did have a perspective on what matters and had come around
01:21:06.640 to the realization that it wasn't necessarily the almighty dollar. He made an ex post back in April
01:21:14.420 and listen to what it, how it read. In my 20s, I used to work on Wall Street. People my age now,
01:21:24.280 45, said they were working 70, 80, 90 hours a week for their families. But all their families
01:21:30.720 actually wanted was their presence. They didn't understand why their families resented how much
01:21:35.660 they worked when they lived in a nice house and their kids went to private schools. It was just
01:21:40.420 the world we all lived in. We knew nothing else. I decided early in my startup journey that wasn't
01:21:46.840 going to be me. My co-founders and I have always had a policy of quitting at 5 or 5.30. By that,
01:21:54.180 I mean shut off my laptop, no more work talk, go home to my family. Frequently, I'm out even
01:22:02.140 earlier, between 3 and 5, depending on whether I want to do something with the kids. I rarely
01:22:07.620 travel for work and don't entertain for work. My family life gives me energy for my work.
01:22:13.800 My work gives me energy for my family life. I'm trying to stay not burnt out and excited about
01:22:19.940 this for several decades. Can every founder choose this? Maybe not everybody, but more people have
01:22:25.980 the choice than realize they do. There is great reward that comes from designing a business around
01:22:31.760 the life you want. A friend of his named Jesse Ouellette told TMZ that Adam had recently shared
01:22:42.680 how happy he was with his life, saying things were, quote, going too well as the businesses
01:22:48.540 continued to grow and his family was loving life in Aspen, Colorado. He remembered Adam as an
01:22:54.360 incredible person telling TMZ his loss will be deeply felt by the software founders who knew him
01:22:58.760 as a friend and colleague.
01:23:00.760 Another friend of his was online on X yesterday
01:23:03.920 talking about how he always made time for you.
01:23:08.060 On the birth of your children, this guy said,
01:23:11.800 he would have this enormous,
01:23:13.960 like an enormous stuffed animal from overseas
01:23:17.000 that he got in some foreign country
01:23:19.260 sent to you for your child
01:23:21.060 that if you mentioned an idea to him,
01:23:23.980 he would do it just to sort of pay you the honor
01:23:26.780 of taking you seriously.
01:23:27.880 Like he pointed out that he suggested to Adam he should have that Adam should have his own face put on little like three quarter zips to promote his company.
01:23:36.700 And Adam has sent him a picture of Adam wearing it like he did it.
01:23:40.340 And he sent his friend the picture showing him he had done it.
01:23:43.420 And it did strike me that this was a very thoughtful man.
01:23:46.960 He was he was thinking about his children and how to spend more time with them.
01:23:50.800 He was thinking about the value of life and how many decades one could potentially get
01:23:56.280 and how to spend that time.
01:23:58.320 He was thinking about valuing friends and taking the time out of one's busy day to send
01:24:02.700 them both explicit and implicit messages, letting them know he cared.
01:24:07.760 I mean, it's extraordinary.
01:24:09.800 And his wife, I know less about having read about these couples, but it certainly seems
01:24:14.800 she was a creative sort, loved beauty.
01:24:17.340 The pottery that I've seen of hers online was absolutely stunning. 0.86
01:24:20.800 can see why she was a success. And it's interesting to see that sort of beauty and 0.85
01:24:24.940 commitment to creativity paired with communications, which tends to be a very toxic field. Trust me on
01:24:30.300 that. But they seemed, by all accounts, written up about those two and the other couple on board
01:24:36.540 very much in love, trying to go to the Bahamas for a family vacation. It was something that Adam
01:24:43.860 apparently felt pride about, the fact that he could fly private. You know, having worked on
01:24:50.180 Wall Street for 10 years, and then he launched this company that had to do with allowing businesses
01:24:55.580 to unearth emails that were associated with anonymous website visitors. So it would help
01:25:04.260 you potentially increase your mailing list, I guess. I don't totally understand it, but apparently
01:25:07.740 he was a tech entrepreneur and was very clever about his businesses. But listen to this in a
01:25:15.320 video that shows him talking about his thoughts on flying private. This was posted by someone
01:25:22.220 who goes by PULCY, P-U-L-C-Y, on X. The details of what show this was and when it was recorded
01:25:30.280 are unknown. Watch. Some of my very rich friends were using it, and I just assumed that it was
01:25:37.760 inaccessible to me. Because they were almost using it as the status symbol. And then I remember when
01:25:44.060 I found out it was only like a couple thousand dollars a month and I could fly for free from
01:25:48.900 New York to Miami or like Chicago. And I was, it was at a time where I was like single and
01:25:53.660 traveling a lot. And it was like this feeling that I got of like, wow, I can actually fly
01:26:03.500 private too. Like, like, and I, I, I like understand in the status that I, I got, you
01:26:12.840 know it's like it like it became part of my identity you know i mean that is just chilling
01:26:18.760 when you think about how he died and it does sound almost out of character from what we've
01:26:27.840 learned about him you know that he didn't seem all that focused on status seemed more like he
01:26:34.800 was a family man who happened to be very successful but maybe you never know i mean people are
01:26:39.440 multi-layered. They have lots of motivations. But I have to tell you, I grew up middle class
01:26:46.240 and we didn't have any money. I always joke with Doug because his family were members of a cricket
01:26:51.960 club and we just always went to the town pool. His dad grew up with nothing. He was a doctor and
01:26:58.660 he kind of made it and he wanted them to join a nice club. He did not have a silver spoon. But
01:27:03.580 my point is simply, you know, I came from really no money and zero connections. And then I became
01:27:11.020 a journalist and, you know, had access to more money and so on. And so in my professional life
01:27:15.760 over the past 15 years, that was the first time I'd ever been in a private jet. I mean,
01:27:21.560 really, I remember with, I was with Doug in 2008 and we were meeting a family friend of his who
01:27:29.220 had billions. And she was telling me about how they had traveled down from New York to Palm Beach
01:27:35.780 with their dogs on the plane, their golden retrievers on the plane. And I was like,
01:27:39.260 she told me they were running up and down the aisle. And I was like, oh, what airline lets
01:27:42.260 your dog run up and down the aisle? And she said, we have the privilege of flying private.
01:27:48.720 I was like, oh, oh, that makes sense. It wasn't even like a thought in my head that people
01:27:54.040 flew private jets, even though, of course, I knew by 2008, indeed, they did. It just was so
01:27:59.520 unfamiliar to me. But since then, I have been on many private planes just because you start to
01:28:04.400 meet people who have them, and then they offer you a ride, or you have to take a business trip
01:28:09.240 where it can be a business write-off, and whatever. And I will tell you that the first
01:28:15.200 time you're on one, you're like, oh, wow, look at this. Yeah, I'm fancy. I've arrived,
01:28:18.620 like he was kind of explaining there.
01:28:20.580 And then soon thereafter,
01:28:23.080 my experience is you learn the hard way
01:28:25.300 that it's a bus in the sky, man.
01:28:28.620 Like the standards around these private jets
01:28:32.140 and the pilots who fly them vary widely, vastly.
01:28:38.960 And you may get a plane
01:28:41.760 that doesn't have to meet anywhere near
01:28:44.380 the same safety standards
01:28:45.660 as your American Airlines jet does
01:28:47.840 pulling out a JFK. And you certainly may get a pilot or two who do not measure up to the pilots
01:28:54.820 that would be flying your commercial jetliner. And you learn this the hard way. I've got to be
01:29:00.500 honest, Abby and I, you know, all these years, if I had to take one, she would book it for me.
01:29:04.480 And what you do is you go through a broker and the broker knows exactly what you want,
01:29:08.500 which is basically the cheapest you can find. Because, you know, at least in our case,
01:29:11.740 we're just using it for business purposes to get someplace very fast, still get back on the air
01:29:15.520 and time to do the show, a remote location, you're not really doing it for luxury. You're
01:29:20.100 doing it because it's the most convenient, fastest way to get in and out and you have other
01:29:23.800 obligations. So you, you don't know what you're getting. A lot of these brokers just like give you
01:29:30.020 like some jet and some pilot and you have no idea what their qualifications are.
01:29:37.140 And we had so many scary plane rides. I mean, truly way too many scary plane rides that I just,
01:29:44.160 I do it as infrequently as humanly possible now. I'm afraid of them. I am. I'm afraid of these
01:29:49.580 small private jets now. I used to think they were luxurious, like Adam said, and now I am afraid of
01:29:54.760 them. Unless you go through one of these companies, you know, that, you know, like a NetJets that
01:30:00.960 will only hire pilots that have the same qualifications as the big airlines and use
01:30:06.280 planes that have the same or similar safety standards, you are taking serious risks.
01:30:13.640 And I don't know for sure, but it certainly looks like he was not on one of those services.
01:30:19.680 And I don't mean to disparage the pilot, but it sounds like there really may have been serious
01:30:27.440 pilot errors made here based on our discussion yesterday where, you know, what we were told
01:30:34.560 is it's ultimately up to the pilot to avoid the weather.
01:30:39.160 Air traffic control has some responsibility, of course,
01:30:41.720 and that's all gonna be looked at by the NTSB,
01:30:44.880 but it's the responsibility of the pilot
01:30:47.860 to keep the plane out of severe thunderstorms
01:30:51.820 like they had.
01:30:52.460 It was once in a generation storm, they said,
01:30:54.960 over Palm Beach that day.
01:30:56.320 And I know, okay, hindsight's 20-20,
01:30:58.160 but no, because many of the commercial jetliners
01:31:01.800 had canceled their flights through and to Palm Beach that day.
01:31:07.340 So, you know, it's just, that's one of the big questions is why?
01:31:12.700 Why wasn't this flight canceled or rerouted to avoid these bad thunderstorms
01:31:19.640 that the Learjet was clearly not equipped for, the icing on the wings,
01:31:24.160 the attempt to get out of what was obviously severe turbulence
01:31:27.500 by going up a few thousand feet.
01:31:30.480 And what we heard yesterday was that clearly the ice,
01:31:36.600 not clearly, we don't know this.
01:31:38.540 It was speculation by our guest
01:31:40.360 that the ice on the wings was already loading down the plane
01:31:45.660 and risking a stall
01:31:46.900 because they were at minus 54 degrees Fahrenheit
01:31:50.300 up at 37,000 feet or so
01:31:52.400 and stuck in a bad storm
01:31:54.880 and had been in it for a while.
01:31:57.500 and were experiencing severe turbulence, which is dangerous and causes additional challenges to the
01:32:03.920 plane, and then asked for the permission to go up some to get out of the bad air, and that the
01:32:10.760 belief is that when they did that, this is, again, speculation at this point, it was just too much on
01:32:15.620 the plane. It caused a stall, and the airplane started to go down. So these are the questions
01:32:21.220 that are going to be looked into.
01:32:23.480 And one other word on the co-pilot,
01:32:25.720 the young woman, Phil Gatiss, Natalie for Gatiss.
01:32:31.180 Her sister has spoken out,
01:32:34.560 saying that her sister fought
01:32:37.940 until the last moment she could,
01:32:40.220 saying, this is Julia Phil Gatiss saying,
01:32:42.940 she's 21, calling her sister a brave, amazing girl.
01:32:46.340 Her sister Natalie was only 20.
01:32:48.880 She said she wanted to be a pilot since she was 12.
01:32:51.220 and she showed any girl could do what it takes. 0.76
01:32:57.200 You know, the age of the co-pilot
01:33:02.020 caused a lot of people yesterday to say,
01:33:04.360 you know, this is a DEI, it's a young girl,
01:33:07.160 this is the DEI hire.
01:33:08.680 But I have to say, and as I said on the air yesterday,
01:33:11.960 if you listen to that audio of this young woman,
01:33:14.900 she was remarkably composed, remarkably composed.
01:33:21.220 What would you sound like if you were placed in this position with these responsibilities when you knew certain death was approaching, when you knew the lives of others were about to end on your watch as you were in the co-pilot seat?
01:33:37.700 I mean, the fact, yes, there were minor moments where she screamed, but she held it together and she provided a ton of information that the NTSB will use.
01:33:50.800 And this woman saved lives by providing that information and explaining what they were going through.
01:33:56.880 It'll be used by the NTSB.
01:33:58.660 It'll be used by other pilots to try to avoid similar mistakes and situations.
01:34:03.900 So I really think that she is a hero for what she did.
01:34:08.900 She wasn't the main pilot charged with flying the plane.
01:34:12.720 That was the 55-year-old man next to her.
01:34:15.500 This was a 20-year-old who'd had 1,300 flying hours already at just 20,
01:34:20.280 who under the most trying of circumstances managed to almost entirely keep her cool,
01:34:27.340 stay communicating.
01:34:28.420 And I do believe, though she couldn't save the people on board her own aircraft,
01:34:34.280 it probably saved others by relaying that information.
01:34:39.440 For those of you who didn't hear it, and with that in mind, we will play the audio again.
01:34:44.360 Here is how the audio sounded as this flight went down in Palm Beach yesterday.
01:34:52.580 So, Roger, say outside air temperature.
01:34:55.220 Negative 47 degrees Celsius.
01:34:57.280 We're managing the ice, but it is moderate turbulence. We're direct report.
01:35:01.280 Okay, November 7th to 2BD. Roger, let me know if you need anything else. I'm just forcing you into my airspace right now.
01:35:07.020 Thank you. If you have any better rides, let us know, 2BD.
01:35:10.840 November 2BD. The rides do improve on my airspace. You're kind of far outside of it right now, and you can expect that a ride ahead.
01:35:19.380 Roger, 2BD. And now we're picking up precipitation. We need to climb 370, 2BD.
01:35:26.040 November 722 Bravo Delta, Roger. Climb and maintain. Cloudable 370, no further right than your president heading for traffic.
01:35:33.040 Climb 370, 2 Bravo Delta.
01:35:35.040 722 Bravo Delta, we're descending 8000, Mayday, Mayday, we're descending 10,000 feet per minute.
01:35:41.040 November 722 Bravo Delta, Roger.
01:35:44.040 Declaring emergency, 722 Bravo Delta, we are in an overseas condition, descending 20,000 feet per minute!
01:35:51.040 November 722 Bravo Delta, Roger, altitude your discretion, let me know what you need.
01:35:55.040 What do you need?
01:35:58.540 We're going to crash into the ground, 722 Bravo Delta.
01:36:03.040 November 2 Bravo Delta, I'm here with you, talk to me.
01:36:06.040 We are descending 22,000 feet, and we are banking 60 degrees.
01:36:12.040 Everyone, I'll read you by name.
01:36:16.040 November 2 Bravo Delta, roger.
01:36:22.040 Look out time, Jeff! Look out time!
01:36:25.040 That poor young woman and the families of those lost are grieving today.
01:36:41.880 Our thoughts are with them, and we hope the NTSB comes up with answers.
01:36:46.780 They will be having another presser today in about an hour or so.
01:36:53.180 It was supposed to be 3 p.m. Eastern.
01:36:54.420 So if we get a meaningful update, we'll bring that to you tomorrow in the midst of what will surely be a politics-heavy show.
01:37:01.760 By the way, yesterday on the show we had Captain Steve Scheiber, and he was just wonderful.
01:37:07.540 You guys may know Captain Steve from his YouTube show.
01:37:10.120 He was just wonderful.
01:37:12.120 And he was the one who really set us straight on the young female co-pilot saying 1,300 hours at age 20 is a lot.
01:37:20.560 And he said, I only started two or three years after that.
01:37:25.220 It's really not that young.
01:37:26.780 And she was pretty experienced.
01:37:27.980 And he said, what I hear in the TV news coverage that had been done of her when she was a 17-year-old
01:37:32.980 pilot, what I hear is a pilot.
01:37:34.840 That's what I hear.
01:37:35.500 That's what you want to hear, the enthusiasm for flying.
01:37:38.520 And he also thought she was very professional, all things considered, as that plane went
01:37:44.480 down.
01:37:44.740 And this young girl who had her whole life in front of her knew she had to have known it was ending.
01:37:51.800 As her co-pilot said, the Our Father, as the pilot in command, a religious man, a Christian,
01:37:58.660 had the wisdom to know it was over and that there was no saving the plane.
01:38:06.020 I feel so bad for all of them.
01:38:08.320 It is a minor miracle that no one on the ground was killed.
01:38:13.660 One man hurt his leg, but that is it.
01:38:16.680 And there are some gruesome reports, which we are not going to get into, about the wreckage
01:38:19.880 scene today.
01:38:21.020 But it is one of the many things that the first responders and the NTSB will have to
01:38:24.460 go through.
01:38:25.040 And so prayers are in order for them as well.
01:38:28.340 Okay, before we close out the show, I just want to give you a quick update on the Russell
01:38:31.940 Brand trial.
01:38:34.420 Today, the jury came back.
01:38:36.240 You recall that the defense issued its closing statement yesterday.
01:38:40.600 The prosecution had gone Friday.
01:38:41.960 And this morning, well, basically all of today, they spent the day in a bizarre practice that I wasn't familiar with in Great Britain, where the judge basically summarized all of the closing arguments and evidence for the jury.
01:38:58.060 Like, the prosecution had its final bite at the apple, the defense had its final bite at the apple, and then the judge reiterated all of what he thought were the salient points for the jury.
01:39:09.660 I mean, it was actually kind of bizarre. He said he was going to be pulling together the threads of the case, that during his own summing up, he said he will miss out on some witnesses altogether and pick out the witnesses who seem to be the most significant.
01:39:26.740 I mean, like, it's kind of extraordinary that the judge is making these calls and having read the whole thing.
01:39:33.900 I mean, just the excerpts that I quickly got to before we came to air, it seemed like he was mostly fair.
01:39:39.400 He tried to give Russell some points.
01:39:41.700 You know, he didn't say like, oh, that was a good point.
01:39:43.680 But he said the defense raised this issue about this testimonial.
01:39:48.020 And then the prosecution tried to rehabilitate that witness with the following.
01:39:52.620 And he went through one after the other. And honestly, it was like, it was pretty, it was pretty well done. I mean, maybe the jury will find this helpful. I don't know. But he went over each individual, not each, but most of the individual women's claims, whether they said that they consented, whether they didn't.
01:40:14.840 and then he gave the case to the jury
01:40:18.000 and they have been released now.
01:40:21.620 They're no longer in court
01:40:23.080 because they went back home for the day
01:40:25.340 and they will be back tomorrow
01:40:27.600 to start deliberating Russell's fate.
01:40:30.240 Again, this is a really disturbing trial
01:40:33.220 because all of these events happened 20 years ago
01:40:36.080 and how is any man supposed to reconstruct
01:40:39.320 what they did 20 years ago?
01:40:41.780 I mean, truly, if he said 20 years ago,
01:40:44.840 My God. I mean, that's 2006. So we would have been in November of 2006. I know that I was
01:40:53.660 covering the midterms for Fox News. That's about all I could tell you. I know where I was in my
01:41:01.160 personal life. I would meet Doug in July of that year. But that's about it. Honestly,
01:41:08.540 can you imagine having to go back and pick a specific date? And especially if you're Russell
01:41:13.500 brand and you're like sleeping with hundreds of women, like, and you have to remember the one
01:41:19.140 interlude, it's an impossibility. But if you had to do it for, you know, maybe a year ago,
01:41:26.960 different story. So it's just, he's been placed in an impossible situation. I'm sure he's extremely
01:41:33.740 stressed out. I, my prayers are with him and my, my prayers are with the women to the extent
01:41:39.820 they've been telling the truth and genuinely feel there was no consent given. This whole thing,
01:41:45.120 though, has, I'm just going to say it, witch hunt written all over it. It does. They didn't say
01:41:50.960 anything about him until his politics changed. They saw the documentary, which was so one-sided
01:41:55.960 and unfair. Fingers crossed this comes out the right way. Okay. In a few minutes, folks, we are
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