00:01:21.800they just run around shooting each other then she comes to this country and she says i have
00:01:27.220constitutional rights and i don't like the way you run the united states of america
00:01:32.800how dare you run it what i'll tell you does it does it piss me off0.92
00:01:39.160and she and her other friends and her other friends
00:01:51.480I always say AOC plus three, but somehow I don't mind AOC that much. I don't know why she doesn't
00:01:59.200bug me too much. Well, at least she's American. Ilhan Omar responding to President Trump's1.00
00:02:05.200recent attacks in a very weird video that she posted Friday on X, writing, quote,
00:02:12.420less scrolling, more strolling, enjoying our beautiful Minnesota lakes. And it's a video
00:02:18.360of her walking with her now husband. I mean, number three, if you're counting them up.
00:02:22.980There was Hersey, the father of her kids. There was her brusband, Ahmed Noor Saeed.
00:02:29.420And now there's Tim Minette, the guy who may or may not have committed some sort of financial
00:02:34.320fraud. There have been investigations, and he's the one who's got one third ownership
00:02:41.780interest in these companies that were worth zero one year, then 30 million the next,
00:02:46.180and then back down to zero. So they're strolling, she and the third husband,
00:02:50.700Tim Minette, while a Somali song plays in the background. Watch.
00:03:16.180much. I don't, I, I, all right, we get it. Sorry. That was a bit much. Um, you know what?
00:03:29.160You're in America now. Just a nice stroll by the lake. While the lyrics to that hip hop
00:03:35.080diss track include lines that translate to quote, if I confront you in the afternoon by evening,
00:03:41.380I will teach you a lesson and keep you awake throughout the night. Yes, you will suffer and
00:03:45.780cry in seething. You will scream like a demon. And let me tell you what's really interesting0.98
00:03:51.040about that little soundtrack she chose for her weird little video. I don't think she's
00:03:57.440suggesting Donald Trump is going to scream like a demon because she knows very well she
00:04:01.080has no power over him. And it is she who is on the hot seat when it comes to her illegal1.00
00:04:05.720behavior alleged. However, there are multiple reports that in the Minneapolis community
00:04:13.080where she's from, where she lives. She has been the heavy when it comes to anybody
00:04:21.240threatening to talk about her actual family connections and what her real name is and
00:04:27.580how she ran around for years introducing the brother as her brother before she married him
00:04:33.980and her sister Layla, who's definitely the sister of the man she married as her sister and so on.
00:04:42.400So, like, there's all sorts of witnesses over there in Minnesota who, before Ilhan Omar ran for office, knew the whole story.
00:04:49.780The one true thing she told Chris Hayes the other night on MSNBC was that this all began, this stuff about my husband being my brother, on a Somali blog.
00:05:01.580She tried to laugh it off, like, and therefore it's a joke.
00:05:05.620It's since been investigated by very serious investigative reporters, and the proof is all there.
00:05:10.380We've gone through a lot of it and we'll do so again today in part. But the Somali community has said repeatedly, members of it online, that she's got certain people who act as enforcers for her. And people feel scared to say the truth about Ilhan Omar.
00:05:30.140They think she's very powerful now, that she's in the U.S. Congress, and compared to them, she is.
00:05:36.920Not to mention, you know, the dad worked for a warlord, so God only knows what the connections are still on that side of the family.
00:05:46.020But I do think that's interesting, that knowing all that, and then you hear those lyrics, I mean, it's a little bit more disturbing, is it not?
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00:07:24.920that's what this is. This isn't an attempt to scare Trump, which she knows she can't do. This
00:07:30.260is a message. I mean, it's it's in Somali to other Somalians about what's going to happen to them if
00:07:38.160they cooperate in this thing. Yes, I don't think there is any facts and logic argumentation that's0.55
00:07:44.020going on here. I think Ilhan Omar has probably given up trying to defend her obvious and repeated
00:07:51.000frauds that she has committed when it comes to immigration or with her new husband, who might0.76
00:07:55.160be spiritually Somali because they seem to be committing business frauds together. I think the0.90
00:08:00.720jig is kind of up. She didn't even try that hard when she was on with Chris Hayes. She kind of
00:08:05.120giggles a little bit, but then she says, well, you know, not to my knowledge, Al-Qaeda, you know,
00:08:11.740You know, right now, what she is just threatening is a raw exercise of power.0.95
00:08:17.600And it's a perfect political story because for the last year, we've been hearing about this repeated and widespread fraud that has been perpetrated by Somalis in the United States in multiple states.0.91
00:08:31.580This has been uncovered by the government, and it leads to the absolute apotheosis, which is that the main Somali political figure is a fraud.0.85
00:09:27.960I feel like the, the noose is tightening here because she felt the need to tweet out as
00:09:34.240You made a reference to there on Friday night in response to Trump's truth, where he called for her to resign for using an allegedly fake name because the DOJ came out and said she's she's Ilhan Omar, a.k.a. Ilhan Nur Saeed Elmi in illegal filing.
00:09:52.240And she tweeted out the pedophile protection party's president is laundering right wing conspiracy theories through the most corrupt DOJ in American history.
00:09:59.840Whenever the news turns bad, this creep reaches for one name, mine.
00:10:10.700Maybe you should focus on what your VP's real name is, as if J.D. Vance, who had a changing last name because his mother, with respect, was a hot mess heroin addict who went from man to man, hooking up with this one and then the next one and so on.
00:10:25.240She's turned her life around since then.
00:10:27.000Kept changing her little boy's name.0.62
00:10:28.680like that's the same, like that's the same as Ilhan Omar coming over here. And now when the
00:10:35.760question is raised by the Department of Justice about whether her natural born name in Somalia
00:10:41.100was Ilhan Noor Saeed Elmi lies and says, no, it's always been Ilhan Omar. This is a ridiculous0.95
00:10:48.740equivalence. And here's the thing, Michael, there is very good reason to believe this too is a lie.0.96
00:10:56.940my name has always been Ilhan Omar. I don't believe that for one second. There's just been
00:11:03.080too much reporting about Ilhan Omar and her background. Powerline's Scott Johnson,
00:11:09.800he led the way on this, reporting that in 1995, she entered the U.S. as a fraudulent member of
00:11:15.460the Omar family. That's not her family. The Omar family is a second unrelated family,
00:11:20.480which was being granted asylum by the United States. The Omars allowed Ilhan, her genetic0.99
00:11:25.740sister, Sarah, and her genetic father, Nur Saeed, to use false names to apply for asylum
00:11:32.880as members of the Omar family, which they were not. Ilan's genetic family split up at the time.
00:11:41.700The above three received asylum in the U.S., while Ilan's three other siblings,
00:11:46.380using their real names, managed to get asylum in the United Kingdom. Ilan Abdullahi Omar's name,
00:11:53.500before applying for asylum was Ilhan Noor Saeed Elmi.
00:11:57.600Her father's name before applying for asylum
00:16:20.560Can they do it? You know, will they actually? That's a major political action to boot out, to denaturalize and deport a sitting member of Congress. We've never had to deal with that. We're dealing with it now because the Democrats opened up the border and insisted on infinity migration.
00:16:37.820And so then we had the highest foreign-born percentage of the population ever.
00:16:41.440And a lot of people just think, well, too bad.
00:16:43.700We've got the power, and so you're not going to be able to enforce this.
00:16:47.420To me, this is, if not an existential matter for the Trump administration, it's a very, very high priority.
00:16:53.140If Ilhan Omar wins this game of chicken, it is going to empower the Democrats on immigration, on fraud.
00:17:00.120it's going to make it seem like the conservatives just don't have any real force to to carry out
00:17:06.800even the most basic provisions of the law the number of avenues by which to prove that she's
00:17:14.420committed fraud putting aside the statute of limitations on each one for now are plentiful
00:17:19.660okay so the father claimed he was an educator when he came over as quote omar he wasn't he was a
00:17:25.940colonel in this murderous regime that killed between 50,000 and 200,000 civilians in Somalia.
00:17:32.600They were fleeing Somalia by way of Kenya because that regime had fallen. And now the poor people
00:17:39.840who had been obliterated by the regime were looking to exact some revenge. They had to flee
00:17:45.780because they were the equivalent of the Nazis over there. And the poor civilians who had been0.84
00:17:51.420murdered by them, the family members of those who had, wanted some revenge. We never would have
00:17:55.860given asylum to such a man, never, had we known that this was his background. So he had to claim
00:18:01.020he was an Omar, not an Elmi, not the big colonel in this murderous regime, and he only could get0.74
00:18:06.700half his family over with him. So that's number one. It looks like the dad lied about who he was0.90
00:18:11.040in order to cover up his criminal history in Somalia. And we granted him asylum based on a lie
00:18:18.320from the look of it. And then her derivative citizenship, allegedly granted when his was
00:18:23.420five years after that, was also a lie. Neither of those would have been valid given the original
00:18:27.880lie. Now there's also more evidence that she wasn't a minor. You can't get derivative
00:18:35.540citizenship through your father's naturalization if you are of the age of majority, 18 or up.
00:18:41.460She originally had listed on her campaign website and election office website that she
00:18:48.100was a birth date that would have made her 18 at the time of naturalization, which is a problem
00:18:54.200for her. Her campaign went back, her team, and scrubbed it and changed the date to make her 17.
00:19:00.340And now there's this. There's a new piece of evidence courtesy of Jim Garrity. Very smart
00:19:04.660find. Very good find. From her book. Okay. Hold on a second. I've got to find it here.
00:19:12.940she listened to this Michael this is brand new she gave it up in her book in it she didn't mean
00:19:20.380to but she did uh showing that she was 18 not not 17 at the time of the naturalization hold on here
00:19:28.360it is I have so many notes to my team okay this is via Jim Garrity and this is via Ilhan Omar's
00:19:35.280own memoir in which she writes, quote, I was eight years old when civil war broke out in
00:19:43.880Somalia. And the title of the chapter is War, 1989 to 1991, Mogadishu. The very first line,
00:19:53.820I was eight years old when civil war broke out in Somalia. Well, if she was eight years old
00:20:00.880by her own math in 1989, then let's just do the math together. Even I can do this math.
00:20:09.0601989 minus eight is 1981, which would make her 19 in the year 2000 when she was naturalized.
00:20:20.080Not even 18. It would make her 19 in the year 2000. She gave it up in her memoir
00:20:26.740without doing the simple math. It's right there, black and white in her own words.
00:20:32.560And the crucial point on the statute of limitations here is that the statute of
00:20:37.560limitations, from my understanding, resets when you commit related offenses. And so the issue of
00:20:45.040the campaigners going right around the time of the election and changing her birth records
00:20:48.540means that you are now fraudulently changing your birth date and you're resetting the statute of
00:20:55.140limitations. On top of that, the federal government is going after her as part of a conspiracy,
00:21:00.480not just an isolated incident, but a broader fraudulent conspiracy. And so, again, you're
00:21:06.280the one with the law degree, Megan. I don't have a law degree here, but just reading the reporting
00:21:09.880again and again from a variety of outlets, looking at a variety of agencies and branches of the
00:21:14.820government that are investigating this, I don't see a way that she can wriggle herself out of it
00:21:20.740other than the naked exercise of power.1.00
00:21:23.780Let's say the Democrats win the House and the Senate,
00:22:47.340The additional wrinkle, he writes, in whether Ilhan Omar obtained citizenship when her father became a citizen is the question of whether he ever qualified as a refugee.
00:22:58.940The odds of a longtime Somali soldier who rose to the rank of colonel from the 1970s to 1991, who never, quote, ordered, incited, assisted or otherwise participated in any persecution of the members of the Isak tribe are exceptionally low.
00:23:14.260So that guy may have committed war crimes, was certainly too high ranking in this army for us to ever given him true refugee status.
00:23:22.880He appears to have made up a fake name for him, tried to come on under the wing of the Omar family, along with his two daughters, successfully.0.55
00:23:31.420And that would have been fraudulent.0.52
00:23:33.320The naturalization, if it happened, we can't find paperwork for it, would have been fraudulent.
00:23:38.300And Ilhan Omar's derivative naturalization would have been fraudulent because she was 18 or now 19, according to her own written hand, her calculation of the dates, saying she was eight when that civil war broke out.
00:23:51.680And her own chapter puts that date at 1989. 1989 minus eight is 1981, which means by the time 2000 rolls around, you are at least 18 and more than likely you are 19.
00:24:05.160You are 19. So in any event, there's that. Then there's the matter of the Bresbend and all the fraud she committed around him, including the following.
00:24:15.380I've been meaning to get to this. So one of the guys, Powerline, has owned this, Scott Johnson, and another reporter, David Steinberg.
00:24:23.680And he posted, Steinberg did, on X on October 22nd, quote, I'm most proud of this Ilhan Omar find.
00:24:31.080Not long after Ilan swore eight times in her divorce filing from her Bresbend, she married him in 2009, they got divorced in 2007.
00:24:40.320Not long after she swore eight times in her divorce filing that she had no idea how to contact Ahmed, I proved via the source code of the website for her sister Sarah Noor's company that he was working for Sarah and quite easy to contact.
00:24:57.240This is what he proved and wrote about in 2019.
00:25:01.200Elmi's posts, the brusband, Ahmed Elmi,
00:25:22.300Then he goes to Kenya where Ilan's sister had gone,
00:25:27.100Sara Noor, the one who came to the United States with her.
00:25:29.380I guess she preferred Kenya. So he goes over to be with her. And Sarah Noor's company, he writes,
00:25:35.380is clearly located in Nairobi, not just somewhere in Kenya. Further, it's provable that Elmi had
00:25:41.260been, meaning Ahmed Elmi, had been working for Noor, apparently helping out with her company
00:25:45.920website. Look for yourself, writes David Steinberg. Visit, and he gives you the URL, then view the
00:25:53.100page's source code. You will see that Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi was logged into his personal
00:25:58.880Instagram account while he was creating the link to Noor's company Instagram account.
00:26:05.420And sure enough, he blew it up here where you can see in her greater source code on
00:26:10.760her company website, you can see username Ahmed Elmi, screen name Ahmed Instagram.com.
00:26:18.540He found, he proof that Ahmed Elmi was out there with Ilan's sister, the one she admits
00:26:26.300is her sister, Sara Noor, who she admits has moved to Nairobi, Kenya, working on her website
00:26:32.800at a time when Ilhan certified under penalties of perjury seven times that she could not find
00:26:41.640or contact him. More fraud. Each of these is an instance of fraud, Michael. And to your point,
00:26:47.600while the statute of limitations on that has run, if it's true that they're considering building a
00:26:53.480case against her where you've committed multiple instances of fraud in an ongoing criminal
00:26:59.560conspiracy with another. Every other statute of limitations of those underlying acts of fraud
00:27:04.600are no longer relevant. They it's it's washed out and they're all fair game to prove you're
00:27:10.360running a fraud enterprise. And I'll bet you they have more and more timely acts in furtherance of
00:27:16.800this conspiracy. Of course, because once you commit fraud like this, you can never get out of
00:27:22.740You have to just continuously double down on it, which is great news for any potential prosecutors.
00:27:28.920This was the true dereliction of duty from Chris Hayes in that interview, which obviously was a softball interview.
00:27:35.520I almost felt bad for him because he really seemed to believe that she didn't marry her brother.0.56
00:27:40.620And so as he tees it up, he says, ha ha ha, these crazy Republicans, you know, they say you married your brother, but you totally didn't do that.0.92
00:27:46.220Right. And then she says, oh, well, not to my knowledge.0.93
00:27:49.640and there's almost a surprise on his face like wait a second hold on are the republicans right
00:27:54.540but the obvious follow-up question is okay so you say you didn't you didn't marry your brother you
00:27:58.740haven't married any of your relatives to your knowledge okay who was the guy just tell me
00:28:04.720anything about the second husband how'd you meet trying to follow did you consummate the marriage
00:28:10.340yeah do you i don't want to picture that with your brother ilhan but i do want your answer on0.75
00:28:15.160He's gay. He's not just her brother. He's gay. Right. Yeah. She is not his type for a number
00:28:20.540of reasons. When you go through her marital history, it's like following Abbott and Costello.
00:28:26.120Who's on first? I mean, you really I tried to cover it on my show the other day, this 10 year
00:28:30.660period or so, and I was getting tripped up with the timeline in front of me. It's very difficult
00:28:35.500to follow. Yes. So any politician, forget about Somali refugee status, claims of incestuous,
00:28:42.140non-consummated marriages just any politician joe blow running for congress if he had a marital
00:28:48.000history that was one-tenth as complicated as ilhan omar's he would get a question about that okay
00:28:53.620the second husband's not your brother who is he and she's never given an answer to that
00:28:58.300no she exactly right because no one no one will ask i mean if you it doesn't take a lot of digging
00:29:06.260to figure out that she's lied repeatedly and that she's so comfortable lying, she can say it
00:29:13.260just in writing. My name has always been Ilhan Omar. Like, prove it. Prove it. Because there
00:29:21.840are reams of proof online that that's not true. Why were you calling a woman whose last name is
00:29:32.020Noor Saeed Elmi, why were you calling her daughters your nieces? Why was the man who
00:29:39.060shares the same name and birth date as your husband calling your daughter his niece and
00:29:47.700also Layla's daughters, his nieces? Why did you call your own dad Noor Saeed instead of
00:29:55.000Muhammad Omar. Honestly, why doesn't some reporter ask her any of these? Show her the social media
00:30:03.880post. This is what's so infuriating. Let's go down the lane of it isn't a lie. She's been
00:30:10.980telling the truth and we have misunderstood all of this evidence. Great. Okay. Okay, great.
00:30:17.180Show me how. Show me how. If that's the case, then asking her these questions,
00:30:24.220Chris Hayes is a gift to her because Michael Knowles, if I get you sitting down and I have
00:30:31.300purported proof you married your sister from Somalia, who's been given asylum in the UK for
00:30:37.760a number of years, and I have all these social media posts that seem to support that, you will
00:30:42.500have zero trouble debunking them in about two seconds. Yes, I've never married Somalis of any1.00
00:30:49.160kind, much less my siblings. So you should be easy enough to explain. And to your earlier point,0.99
00:30:54.360Megan, I think part of the hesitation here is one, she's clearly caught herself in a bunch of crimes.
00:30:59.220And so she's way too deep in it now. We were talking about Rico. It's just like the mafia.
00:31:04.760At a certain point, there's no way out. You just got to deny till you die. You have to double down0.60
00:31:09.540on everything. But then let's say people do dig in here and they figure out who her father really
00:31:14.080is and who the brother really is and what the family really is. Well, now all of a sudden,
00:31:17.740You have completely undercut her argument for asylum when she was supposedly a minor, even though she was actually probably not a minor when she got her citizenship, because the a lot of us believe that we have way too much asylum.
00:31:31.160It's way too abused. And so we're skeptical even of legitimate people receiving political asylum in America.
00:31:37.960But the whole point of asylum is that people who are politically persecuted have to have a place to go.
00:31:43.540You made the Nazi comparison earlier.0.71
00:31:47.160Nobody thinks that we should be giving asylum to Eichmann, right?
00:31:50.280Nobody believes right now we accept white Afrikaners from South Africa because some of the political parties in South Africa are increasingly genocidal in their rhetoric.
00:31:59.340Well, at the very least, I think we can all agree we should not be offering asylum to the people threatening genocide.
00:32:04.980We should not, in other words, be offering asylum to the perpetrators.
00:32:08.320That undermines the whole basis of asylum, even if you accept our current asylum regime.0.71
00:32:13.920So she would end up basically with no support whatsoever if she gives up on any of the lies that she has here.
00:32:22.100And so it's now up to the federal government to show that this is a broader web of lies, a broader web of fraud that connect all these various aspects from the father to the brother to the husband.
00:32:33.260but I repeat myself to the first husband to whom she remained married even during the second
00:32:39.040marriage. And this is all part of a broader picture. If she loses any piece of it,
00:32:43.880the whole thing crumbles. She was so bold as to file joint tax returns with husband number one,0.86
00:32:50.040the father of her children, while she was legally married. And I use that term legally
00:32:55.340questionably because you're not allowed to legally marry your brother. But anyway,
00:32:58.260while she was technically legally married to the brother.
00:33:55.540I mean, truly, like I'm not joking,0.96
00:33:56.840about all of his the gay diaspora and gay this and gay that there's no question he is you take1.00
00:34:02.400one look at him and you can tell he's gay he's very flamboyant and the reports are actually that0.91
00:34:06.420that their father who came first with ilan and his sister sarah sent for ahmed to get the to get0.98
00:34:12.880the hell over to the united states because he didn't approve of his muslim son's behavior over
00:34:20.000there in the uk i guess the older sister leila who was raising him was a little too permissive
00:34:24.540So the dad, Mohammed, was like, yo, you're coming to Minnesota. He was reportedly enrolled in the high school there under his real name, Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi, with a birth date that would wind up mirroring exactly the name and birth date of the man that Ilhan Omar would marry.
00:34:42.380OK, so all of this is so it's amazing.
00:34:46.520Actually, I kind of feel like amazed that I can just now say it off the top of my head because it is so convoluted and they and they did it intentionally to confuse everybody.
00:34:54.400But it's like I said, just kick it off.
00:34:58.560The legal noose is tightening no matter what sort of weird Somali terrorist lyrics she wants to post.0.88
00:35:03.700Well, that's that's a big part of the key, too, is not only did they commit this fraud or the father committed the fraud or this other person committed the fraud.0.88
00:35:11.440Everyone was involved and everyone knew, down to sending the light in the loafers brother back to Nairobi, down to the congressional staff changing the dates on these birth documents for Ilhan Omar.0.81
00:35:25.460It does also show you a point on assimilation and migration, though.0.89
00:35:29.560It's charming almost that this Somali Muslim father thought that the best way to de-gay the son was to bring him to the United States in the 21st century.
00:35:39.660You know, we we do a lot of pride stuff here. I love this idea. I know what we will do. We will send the young man to San Francisco, good Catholic city named after Saint. Yes, that will de-gay him. That probably is not going to work.0.94
00:35:52.980This is Russian. That is a Russian accent. I can't do that. I do a job of the hot impression when I try to do Somali and it's way too offensive. So I won't even attempt it. But clearly it didn't work to correct the issues of the sun. And to your point, the timelines are just too perfect.0.96
00:36:07.860He leaves the U.S. just as his sister wife is, which they do have sister wives, actually, but I mean like this in a literal sense.
00:36:16.320His sister, who was also his wife, was gaining some prominence.
00:36:20.300The astounding thing about this whole story is the brazenness, the audacity to think that she could get away with it.
00:36:30.400You know, if you're living in this obvious fraud, don't you think you would just live a quiet life?
00:36:35.940And, you know, I don't know, go be a baker or something.
00:37:04.060All right. I want to keep going because there's other things I want to hit with you. Vivek Ramaswamy is still kind of under fire for his ad using the mother of his opponent, Amy Acton, who I believe is a serial liar and a very, very emotionally unregulated person.
00:37:20.600I mean, honestly, she is way too fragile and weak and emotional to be a corporate leader, never mind a leader of an entire state.
00:37:27.780The people of Ohio do not do this to yourself.
00:37:30.200Like Vivek is I think he's a billionaire.
00:37:33.300He's at least 100 millionaire, many hundreds of millions.
00:37:42.280She knows how to cry under her desk when she has to give a pre-written statement about covid, which is what her staff reported per the Washington Examiner.0.82
00:37:50.220So this woman, she's too much of a mess to ever be a chief executive of a state.
00:37:54.260But he unleashed that ad and he was on Fox and Friends today and was asked about it.0.98
00:43:50.060It was the daughter in 2013. And in 2019, she and the husband had some sort of a vicious argument to the point where she was allegedly, according to the police report, pulling the mirror down off the wall, smashing it. Her team leader said, oh, she bumped it. She bumped. OK, sure. I'm 55 years old in my entire life. The cops have never come to my home.
00:44:09.800Never. It doesn't. Most people have an experience where the cops never come.
00:44:15.300It's very weird that she's so emotionally unregulated.
00:44:18.600They've been at her house not once, but twice in the past decade or so.
00:44:22.700And in that police report, they said she was on prescription drugs and drinking both.
00:44:29.280OK, so that's a bad combo, too. And not for nothing, Michael, this woman sounds like she's drunk whenever she's out there speaking.
00:44:34.620I don't know what's going on. She has a speech impediment or there's something else.0.91
00:44:37.920but it happened again this weekend. Listen. Because together, we are going to take on
00:44:43.900Mr. Amaswamy and this whole axis, and we will win. We will win.0.70
00:44:54.980I think she said Vivek Ramaswamy there. Can we hear it one more time? Can we just replay that?
00:45:01.100Because together, we are going to take on Mr. Amaswamy and this whole axis,
00:45:05.820and we will win we will win mr ramaswamy and this is not a one-off michael she always sounds like
00:45:17.220this you're you're waiting for the hiccup i mean you're waiting what seems to be the officer
00:45:21.020problem it's it's very strange speech and so if the response to the advertisement which you know
00:45:28.060the advertisement is launched in the final days of the campaign after the acting campaign refuses
00:45:31.840to debate any, any issues at all. If the response to the advertisement is, well, you know, she had
00:45:37.700this very horrible upbringing and, you know, this very pitiable, you know, sympathetic situation.
00:45:42.860And then you say, okay, well, yeah, there, there, there's a lot of family dysfunction here. You
00:45:47.180could say, okay, you don't believe the mother. And then that the daughter then was calling the
00:45:50.660police on Amy Acton and the husband and this, okay. You say, all right, I guess this lady's0.99
00:45:55.340got a very dysfunctional family. It's very sad. We should pity them. We should pray for them.1.00
00:46:00.480you should do all of those sorts of things. But why are we allowing this family dysfunction to be
00:46:05.860the decisive factor in the race? And why are we only focusing on parts of it and other parts of
00:46:10.180it? And can we, are we still mature enough? Are we still capable of self-government to talk about
00:46:16.920the very issues? Because if Amy Acton is going to keep leaning into family dysfunction as the1.00
00:46:22.840driving factor in the race, I don't know if I'm an Ohio voter, I say, listen, lady, whether I feel0.55
00:46:28.220sorry for you or whatever. What are you going to do for my wallet, for my sovereignty,
00:46:35.960for my rights, for my businesses, for my, for government efficiency?
00:46:40.020I have problems of my own. And they have problems of their own. Before we leave this topic,
00:46:44.940I do want to play Trump. He came out swinging for Vivek on this last, I think it was Friday.
00:50:20.820A sitting Democrat senator said that she wants to persecute every Republican she can find to the point that teenagers are afraid even to volunteer to work for a Republican politician or a president.
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00:53:09.160We want to bring you the latest now on Thomas Markle, the father of Meghan Markle,
00:53:14.260now known as Meghan Sussex, Duchess of Sussex, she would want me to tell you.
00:53:21.160So much broke over the weekend in this case, I hardly know where to begin.
00:53:25.540Here is, I guess, where we'll start our own reporting for you, exclusive to the MK show on the role that our FBI is now taking in the case.
00:53:37.000We are informed by officials in the know that the FBI is not in the lead on this investigation since all of the alleged child sexual abuse material said to have been found on Thomas Markle's devices from phones to laptops to computers and books and pictures, et cetera, were found in the Philippines.
00:53:58.820So the Philippines are in the lead.0.70
00:54:13.520They are looking into whether Thomas Markle Sr. ever traveled to the United States with that laptop or phone or any of the other problematic devices.0.99
00:54:25.920Again, the Philippines taking the lead.
00:54:27.940The FBI's Tampa office and criminal division is working on this case.
00:54:32.460So the United States FBI is involved in investigating this. They are also considering the evidence at FBI HQ. They could. They are open minded to and considering the possibility of a U.S. search warrant for Mr. Markle's American residences and or devices if enough evidence is presented forensically, proving that that may be present.
00:54:56.780They can't storm his apartment based on stuff that was found in boxes in the basement of a Philippines storage facility or home, depending on who you ask.
00:55:06.840But the FBI, I mean, trust me, if they have probable cause to believe this guy had child sexual abuse material on any device here in his Florida residence where he's staying right now, he's in a rehab slash nursing home, or on his devices, they are very open-minded to going down there, getting a warrant and seizing it.
00:55:26.780So they are in a supportive role at the moment, but very interested since this is a U.S. citizen who is allegedly not only looking at child sexual abuse material, meaning we used to call it kiddie porn, which was not a good name.
00:55:43.620It's good they changed it, but you know what I'm talking about, illicit pictures of young children, very young, according to the reports, 10 and under.
00:55:52.700And then it morphed from that to a report in The Sun over the weekend that it was not just images that Thomas Markle is allegedly seen committing the sexual abuse of a minor, a young Asian girl, possibly in the Philippines where he's been living, on some of the negatives that were found by his son, Thomas Jr.
00:56:19.640That's according to Junior, who says he saw it himself and said it was horrifying and said, yeah, that he saw the image himself and was sickened by it.
00:56:35.460Here's him expanding on what he found from just the child sexual abuse material to at least one or two of his father actually in the pictures with this young Asian girl, Sat 8.
00:56:50.780so amongst all these books uh the lewis carroll photographer of young children for nude studies
00:57:00.840hidden amongst the pages was a series of negative uh the negative film from 35 millimeter film
00:57:07.420the man in that image that's my dad and then just to verify just for verification i mean there was
00:57:18.040two of his old expired driver's licenses from California in the boxes as well.
00:57:25.400And side-by-side comparison, that's Thomas Markle in his late 40s or 50s.
01:02:22.20031 negatives plus two smaller negatives
01:02:24.420with pictures of Markle Sr. and a girl.
01:02:27.300Two of Thomas Markle Sr.'s driver's licenses, six DVDs, three SD cards, hard drives, another hard drive, nine mobile phones, including LG phone containing child abuse images, family photographs, five magazines, some containing sexual content, two movie CDs, 11 books, including child abuse images, two Mexican coins.
01:02:55.240Bank of America checkbook, confession of a doctor with Victorian postcards, including bestiality
01:03:01.400image, three nude photographs of older women or an older woman, brown envelope containing Emmy
01:03:09.460award certificates. The father was an Emmy award-winning lighting director in California for
01:03:13.400his career, 11 books, including some with child abuse images, and so on and so forth. You get the
01:03:20.140the picture, but in every box, there are personal effects, sometimes report cards of Meghan Markle,
01:03:27.980correspondence with Meghan Markle and her dad, and then separate and apart, but like also in
01:03:33.880the same box or on the same hard drive, alleged child sexual abuse material. And a report, as I
01:03:40.660mentioned, that they appear to be saying that they've done a forensic analysis. The Filipino0.91
01:03:46.240authorities are still conducting theirs with the help of the FBI, but the journalists seem to be
01:03:51.100reporting that they have confirmed the items, the child sexual abuse material, were downloaded
01:03:57.540in 2014 and 2020. So that's something. Okay, this is what they're reporting here in The Sun.
01:04:08.100According to The Sun, Thomas Jr., a torrent of unspeakable filth appeared the moment the first
01:04:12.980Drive sparked into life on a screen. Rows of icons linking to pictures and videos of children
01:04:18.500as young as toddlers being subjected, forgive me, this is disturbing, to depraved acts by pedophiles
01:04:24.540were laid out across the desktop. An IT specialist helped access the data properties of some of the
01:04:31.660images. And now that I think about it, I do recall that Thomas Markle said when he saw these images,
01:04:38.660he first called everyone, like from the FBI to the Philippine authorities to state authorities,
01:04:47.880I think he said, in Florida. And he said nobody called him back. And so after a couple of weeks,
01:04:53.660I think it was the timeframe, he then called an IT specialist to come over and start looking at
01:04:59.900these with him. He didn't want to be alone dealing with this stuff. And so here The Sun is reporting
01:05:04.600that an IT specialist helped access the data properties of some of the images. They showed
01:05:09.680that all the files viewed were downloaded, as I said, in 2014 and 2020. Markle Sr. and his son,
01:05:18.580Thomas Jr., had been estranged for years before rekindling their relationship in Rosarito,
01:05:23.920Mexico in 2021. Okay, so after all those downloads, before Thomas Jr. became
01:05:31.380Thomas Sr.'s carer following his dad's stroke. So the point is simply, this stuff was downloaded
01:05:39.840before Thomas Jr. was even back in his dad's life. If any files had been added to the drives,
01:05:45.560the download date would have been recorded after January 1, 2025, when the pair made their
01:05:52.520fresh start in the Philippines. The Sun's tech source said the most serious child sex images
01:05:58.300on the hard drives were all downloaded before Markle Sr. and Markle Jr. came here. The downloads
01:06:05.760we saw all predate their arrival in the Philippines. If anything had been put on the computers while
01:06:11.760they were here in the Philippines, the download dates would be showing 2025 or 2026, and that was
01:06:16.820definitely not the case. Now, as that happens, the Filipino authorities are basically throwing
01:06:27.080Thomas Markle Sr. under the bus. They have come out and said that they're pretty sure I want to0.99
01:06:36.680get the exact quote in front of me. There's so much here. There's just so much. But I'll paraphrase
01:06:48.300now as I look. It was essentially that they, it looks rather damning for him basically, that they
01:06:56.740right now, it looks like the worst of the worst. Here it is, the Philippine minister. I mean,
01:07:01.560honestly, I've got like 12 pages, single space to glean from here. All signs, this is via The
01:07:07.740Guardian, all signs point to Thomas Markle Sr. being a possible, this I'm quoting here,0.87
01:07:12.980a possible sex offender of the grossest kind. And they cite the official Philippine interior
01:07:21.260Minister John Vic Remula. In these cases where family disputes are mixed up, we have to consider
01:07:28.100all the angles. But right now, all signs point to a possible sex offender of the grossest kind.
01:07:32.880We want to be sure before we release the findings. The forensics data will be complete
01:07:36.760in a week. Please give us a week to determine the contents and to come up with a definitive
01:07:41.560picture. We will release a statement then. The FBI said in a statement on Friday, it was aware
01:07:46.500of the allegations and would provide support as appropriate to the Philippine authorities.
01:07:50.280We will also investigate any related allegations of federal violations of U.S. law.
01:07:54.340And you heard my own reporting on the extent of that, what they're prepared to do, and
01:07:59.040what they're thinking about doing at the top of this hour.
01:08:02.380So, and again, to reiterate, Thomas Markle Sr. denies all of this and is adamant that
01:08:24.920According to the Daily Mail, the father in the wake of this scandal, Thomas Sr., has confessed to paying for sex in the Philippines, but denies sleeping with underage girls.
01:08:38.300Thomas Markle vowed to, quote, do whatever it takes, end quote, to clear his name after being accused of sickening child sex crimes, telling the Mail on Sunday, quote,
01:08:46.100quote, I have never had sex with anyone under the age of 18. The 82-year-old admitted that when he
01:08:52.320was single, he traveled to the Philippines at least twice and, quote, slept with prostitutes,
01:08:57.880adding, quote, I like Asian women, but that is not a crime. He said he would willingly speak0.62
01:09:03.660to investigators and take a lie detector test to demonstrate his innocence. He believes his son,
01:09:08.560Tom Jr., who reported him to police, is possibly behind the explosive letter. I think that must be
01:09:15.740reference to the letter that was sent to authorities back in 2019. There's no letter
01:09:21.500that's been released in this update, the information that broke on Friday. He says,
01:09:29.180let's see, the books among the horde discovered described as pornographic are about nothing,
01:09:36.820says Thomas Markle Sr., nothing more than Hollywood history and photography. Any child
01:09:43.120abuse images found on his computer were planted, he says, to destroy his reputation before he dies.
01:09:51.520I am not well enough to go to the Philippines, but I will speak to anyone who wants to talk to
01:09:55.080me. I have nothing to hide. I am an innocent man, and she gave me no chance to defend myself. I've
01:09:59.700been asking to see my grandchildren before I die. Now, I'm just going to say that we know from Phil
01:10:06.860Houston, the human lie detector, CIA deception detection expert who created the deception
01:10:11.680detection method being used by the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and law enforcement across
01:10:16.720this country. He's that guy. This is his area of expertise that one of the things liars do
01:10:23.420when caught is they don't know exactly what you know. They haven't seen exactly what you've seen,
01:10:30.800that he doesn't know exactly what's been found in that basement, et cetera. And so they will give
01:10:36.420just enough to cover their bases such that, I think Phil calls it the lie within the lie,
01:10:46.500like they'll give a little. And to me, this, okay, I paid for sex with Filipino prostitutes1.00
01:10:54.880feels like that. I'm going to give a little because I might have to. If you're telling me1.00
01:11:02.780there's an image of me in a sex act with some Asian person. But I'm telling you, it wasn't a0.78
01:11:09.400girl. It was just a prostitute. Now, that could also be true. I don't know whether he's a liar.1.00
01:11:16.240I find the IT experts' statements about these images were uploaded in 2014 and 2020 to be
01:11:24.680very damning, if true. That's not a disgruntled son with whom he's had a falling out in the last
01:11:30.700six months. That's when Markle Sr. was, we believe, with the devices, laptop, computer, phones,
01:11:38.860et cetera, and didn't have a problem with the son. I mean, has the son been playing a game for
01:11:44.42012 years, surreptitiously uploading images onto his dad's devices, his phones? And like,
01:11:50.600this is just, it's a lot to ask us to believe. Moreover, the father has already basically been
01:11:58.960caught in a lie here. I will tell you that earlier, we know, the father denied ever having
01:12:05.940paid for sex to the National Enquirer in 2018, October 2018. This is what happened.
01:12:17.240His wife, his first wife, who again is the one, and I'll get to this, we believe wrote that letter
01:12:25.180to the Metropolitan Police in 2019, pointing the finger at him as an alleged child sexual
01:12:30.880abuse consumer, et cetera, has spoken out about how terrible he is in the past without naming
01:12:38.520this. And there's a, Page Six is reporting that she spoke to The Mirror, a UK publication,
01:12:46.460about their tumultuous marriage back in May of 2019. Now that's an interesting date because
01:12:53.880May of 2019 is five months after January of 2019. And the new revised timeline on this thing is it
01:13:00.820was January of 2019 that someone wrote a letter to the Metropolitan Police and Royal Protection
01:13:06.780Services all within Scotland Yard in the UK saying he's a child sexual predator. So this,
01:13:17.520what happened in May of 2019 is his first wife, the mother of Tom Jr. and Samantha Markle,
01:13:23.880um her name is rosalyn loveless she's since passed away she died in 2024 but rosalyn
01:13:30.780went and gave an interview to the mirror a uk publication in may okay 2019 so this would have
01:13:38.200been after she wrote her alleged letter within scotland yard and she publicly described to the
01:13:43.720mirror her ex-husband as an awful father who should never be allowed to see or to meet his
01:13:48.500grandson only archie had been born by this point speaking to the mirror about their tumultuous
01:13:52.900marriage, Loveless alleged that Thomas Sr. cheated on her, including with one of her relatives,
01:13:58.660subjected her to abusive, foul-mouthed outbursts, and withheld money to the point that she resorted
01:14:05.440to shoplifting food. She also spoke about his drug use. Knowing Tom as I do, quote,
01:14:11.060Megan would be a fool to have him in her life, she said. Repeatedly, he has shown to Megan he0.95
01:14:16.060cannot be trusted. She must know that now. I speak not out of bitterness. My life moved on
01:14:22.100many years ago, but out of concern. She added, Archie deserves to be brought up in a happy home,
01:14:27.200not in this vengeful situation that has been created. Tom was an awful father. What makes
01:14:32.660him think he'll be a great grandfather to Archie? Although she said he was never violent, Loveless
01:14:37.160alleged that he would, quote, often lose his temper, end quote. Whenever I asked for help to
01:14:41.320feed the kids or buy diapers, he would scream, get a fucking job, and then laugh, she said.0.99
01:14:46.400Loveless also spoke of Thomas Sr.'s cocaine use, she alleged, which she says he acknowledged,0.99
01:14:53.060oh no, which they are reporting he did acknowledge in an interview with the National Enquirer
01:29:43.800But the dishonesty of all this time trying to paint his family as a bunch of demons who ruined her life without telling anyone she had found out that her own father was an alleged child molester.
01:29:58.480All right. This is a point that was made on line by a royal pundit.
01:30:08.220But I would say that the Sussexes have, I think, made it legitimate for us to ask whether the information that they were given in 2019 about what Thomas Markle had done, does that in some way affect this narrative about the cruelty of Prince Harry's family?
01:30:37.000right because these are very minor snubs really that are talked about in spare and in netflix
01:30:43.120it's about tights and lip balm and flower girls dresses and people not having big enough bedrooms
01:30:49.520and having to buy your own sofa and okay yeah this comment about skin color you know rode back
01:30:58.200from in subsequent years to say that it was just unconscious bias but for five years we have been
01:31:04.280told that the source of Megan's unhappiness was the royal family and the British press.
01:31:11.080And it now feels as if there are other far more significant causes of trauma and unhappiness
01:31:19.640elsewhere in her story that are not her fault, right?
01:35:26.060And she says, okay, on receiving the letter, Scotland Yard passed the letter to royal protection officers who shared it with the Duchess.
01:35:32.460When she asked at the time what she should do about it, she was assured that, quote, it was all in hand, end quote, and that to act could prejudice further investigations.
01:35:48.000And why would the Metropolitan Police have told her that if they were not investigating nor referring to anybody?
01:35:54.020What possible reason on earth could they have had to say to Meghan Markle that it was all in hand and that to act could prejudice further investigation?
01:36:02.460all via the telegraph. I don't believe her at all. I believe they just passed it along,
01:36:08.660and I believe she did nothing. And even taking her at her word on this, let's say it's all true.0.72
01:36:15.880The police service said to her, effectively, told her to stay quiet, that it was all in hand,
01:36:23.280and that to act could prejudice further investigations. By everyone's admission now,
01:36:27.620that would have happened in January of 2019. It took almost eight years for this to be outed.
01:36:34.880And who outed him? Was it Meghan Markle? No, it was Thomas Markle Jr. It was the son.
01:36:43.680She still had said nothing. What is the explanation for that? I'm sorry, it doesn't take
01:36:50.440eight years to investigate somebody for alleged crimes like this, which she knows because that's
01:36:57.840knowledge every lay person in the world would have. Eight months? Okay. Eight years? For eight
01:37:06.120years, she has believed that the investigation is still underway. What did she do? Did she go back
01:37:11.660to the Metropolitan Police, either the officer with whom she dealt or anybody in the service and
01:37:17.080say, what was the outcome of the investigation? I did stay quiet so as not to prejudice the further
01:37:26.800investigation you promised. What was the outcome? I need to know because he's my father and I care
01:37:33.240about children, as I've told everybody for the past eight years before any microphone I could
01:37:37.380get myself. Clearly not. There was no follow up. There was no additional pursuit of information
01:37:44.240whatsoever, because they would have told her what they're all what they're telling us all right now,
01:37:47.940which is there's there's not an investigation and there never was. There never was.
01:37:54.240She knew she she had to have known it went nowhere at best if she ever did believe there
01:38:01.620was an investigation. The best case scenario for her is that she believed it went nowhere
01:38:06.500and she did nothing. But here's the thing. Meghan Markle definitely did not believe
01:38:13.220that he'd been exonerated. So she can't use that crutch to explain why she did nothing to help the
01:38:18.540children of Mexico, the Philippines and America. He's been in Florida for several months. Why she
01:38:24.640did nothing. She cannot say, oh, it's because I thought he'd been exonerated because now it's
01:38:28.560broken that she sent him a letter in December of 2025 when he was in the Philippines getting his0.61
01:38:36.260leg amputated after his stroke saying, I know you're a child sex predator and I never want to0.99
01:38:41.880see you again. And we know she did this because setting herself up to look like I drew a line in0.99
01:38:48.180the sand, she made a record of it, which is now all over the sun with which she's clearly
01:38:52.740cooperating. And she sent a lawyer and a hospital administrator into the hospital to deliver this
01:39:01.520letter, sealed letter to him, had him sign acknowledgement of it and had them videotape
01:39:06.240him reading it. And he agreed to do all of that. He didn't know what was in the letter when he
01:39:10.940agreed to all of it but he just so happened to have a reporter from the daily mail with him
01:39:15.260and he said if you're going to record it i want carolyn here to report it
01:39:19.180or record it and she recorded him reading the letter and here is that tape here it is
01:51:11.860There's nobody like that. I suppose the Metropolitan Police may be talking to the son, but their main source is Meghan Markle. So it's revealed here that the letter sent to by Rosalind Loveless, his first wife to the Metropolitan Police, Metropolitan Police alleged that she confronted Thomas Markle and that he.
01:51:38.280he denied accusation of child sex abuse, but stated that he went to the Philippines and
01:51:44.860Thailand because 12 year olds are legal there, which is, I mean, that is the same as admitting
01:51:50.940the allegation that you have been a child sex abuser. So from that, and from that report,
01:51:57.520I just read you where Megan accused him of sexually abusing children, knew he had abused
01:52:02.560young girls in the letter she sent him last year. We know exactly what she thought and whether she
01:52:07.660knew that it was also child sexual abuse material, meaning images and videos and so on. I don't know,
01:52:12.580but she clearly was told he was abusing young girls, physically abusing. And let me tell you,
01:52:21.460this is horrific because I think any one of us, even if we loved our family member, would make
01:52:28.040sure that an investigation into them was underway. I'm sorry, but as you're talking about children,
01:52:33.540The images on those alleged tapes and phones and laptops that Tom Jr. says he found includes abuse of toddlers.
01:52:43.180Okay, so that's what he was apparently into if he's guilty, which he swears he's not, promising a lie detector test, etc.
01:52:51.640But if that's actually his thing, girls under 12, under 10, and as young as toddlerhood, what in the actual F?
01:53:01.860the metropolitan police does not get a pass nor does she and look at the difference between how
01:53:10.340megan markle reacted when she heard this information back in january of 19 and how
01:53:16.320thomas markle jr allegedly reacted when he became aware of it this guy contacted everybody
01:53:23.720he says he called the fbi he called filipino authorities and then he called authorities i
01:53:28.640believe in the state of Florida. He says nobody called him back. He then contacted this IT expert
01:53:34.780to come over with him and do an analysis on camera and make a record of what he was finding and then
01:53:41.180followed up with authorities. And now they're interested. Now we've got the Filipino authorities
01:53:44.620and the FBI investigating and the Filipino authorities saying this looks about as bad as
01:53:48.740it can get. And the FBI saying they're taking the lead, but we are assisting. And if there is any
01:53:53.580probable cause for something like a device here. We're going to get a warrant and search his
01:53:59.780premises and his devices, and that they're assisting on the forensic analysis. And I'm
01:54:04.420sure they've said that they can use Quantico as a backup, which is the best place for analysis
01:54:09.080in the world. So all hands on deck now. But look how he reacted versus how she reacted.
01:54:15.760There is zero chance she was told we're investigating when they weren't.
01:54:19.540And even if she was told that, why did she stay silent for eight years?
01:54:26.100Why as recently as December 2025, when she still believed he was a child sex abuser, had she said nothing?
01:54:35.000She doesn't even allege that she called back the Metropolitan Police in year two, three, four, five, six, seven and a half to say, what happened?
01:56:46.540To the most powerful people I could think of.
01:56:50.900Now, my 11-year-old self worked out that if I really wanted someone to hear me,
01:56:58.260well, then I should write a letter to the First Lady.
01:57:01.260She was horrified. She's spoken about this many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times, saying she was shocked, angry, and so hurt to see this commercial that would assume women have identified gender roles in the kitchen.0.84
01:57:20.340shocked, angry, and so hurt. Something needed to be done about it, she said. So she wrote a letter
01:57:26.180to Hillary Rodham Clinton, and she stood up for equality. That's what she wanted us to know,
01:57:33.920that she was standing up for women and girls who shouldn't be subjected to stereotypes like that
01:57:40.880because it angered her at age 11, what was being done, the messaging to little girls.
01:57:48.040This this is how she's painted herself since she came on the national scene right there.
01:57:53.440You heard her before she even met Harry.1.00
01:57:54.860It was important to her that we all see her in this feminist light.
01:57:59.600What kind of a champion of women and little girls would stay silent about a child sex predator who was, again, allegedly shown on camera in these videos, according to The Sun, actually abusing young girls?
01:58:15.600And Meghan Markle seems to have known that, too, because her letter says more than just the child sexual abuse material, which would be bad enough, she believed he was abusing little girls would stay silent and not make sure that there was an investigation of this guy.
01:58:31.680She would have been much better off from a PR perspective and just a human decency perspective if she had never said a word about knowing about this back in 2019.
01:58:45.820I'm not blaming her for the actual behavior.
01:58:48.280I'm saying once told, she, you, and I, all of us, would have an obligation to make sure that a meaningful, robust investigation was underway.
01:59:02.720And if after eight years we didn't have satisfactory information, something more would have been required, like a public statement.