The Megyn Kelly Show - October 26, 2026


Ilhan Omar Fraud Evidence GROWS, with Michael Knowles, and the Meghan Markle Dad Allegations Story Doesn't Add Up | Ep. 1427

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00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.
00:00:15.980 Big show for you today, including major updates to the story of Meghan Markle's father.
00:00:20.720 Good gracious are there updates in that.
00:00:23.200 And the disturbing allegations against him.
00:00:25.880 We have some exclusive reporting for you, and we are learning more about the timeline of what
00:00:30.900 Meghan knew and when. We'll get to that in just a bit, but we begin today with politics as we are
00:00:35.560 now just eight days from the critical midterm elections. Both current President Donald Trump
00:00:41.680 and former President Barack Obama were on the trail over the weekend with campaign rallies in
00:00:46.360 important Midwest states, and elsewhere in the Midwest was Representative Ilhan Omar.
00:00:52.840 The president went after her and Somalia once again during his speech in Michigan last night.
00:00:58.960 Watch. 1.00
00:00:59.940 She's a little troublemaker. 1.00
00:01:03.000 You know, she comes from Somalia, probably maybe the worst country in the world, 1.00
00:01:06.680 has no government, has no anything. 1.00
00:01:08.740 All they have is killing people. 1.00
00:01:10.120 They kill people. 0.99
00:01:11.560 They go after ships.
00:01:12.880 They ransom ships.
00:01:14.020 But they have, I'm amazed they can even do that, to be honest with you.
00:01:16.940 But they have no country.
00:01:18.600 They have no government.
00:01:19.600 They have no anything.
00:01:21.040 They have no police.
00:01:21.800 they just run around shooting each other then she comes to this country and she says i have
00:01:27.220 constitutional rights and i don't like the way you run the united states of america
00:01:32.800 how dare you run it what i'll tell you does it does it piss me off 0.92
00:01:39.160 and she and her other friends and her other friends
00:01:51.480 I always say AOC plus three, but somehow I don't mind AOC that much. I don't know why she doesn't
00:01:59.200 bug me too much. Well, at least she's American. Ilhan Omar responding to President Trump's 1.00
00:02:05.200 recent attacks in a very weird video that she posted Friday on X, writing, quote,
00:02:12.420 less scrolling, more strolling, enjoying our beautiful Minnesota lakes. And it's a video
00:02:18.360 of her walking with her now husband. I mean, number three, if you're counting them up.
00:02:22.980 There was Hersey, the father of her kids. There was her brusband, Ahmed Noor Saeed.
00:02:29.420 And now there's Tim Minette, the guy who may or may not have committed some sort of financial
00:02:34.320 fraud. There have been investigations, and he's the one who's got one third ownership
00:02:41.780 interest in these companies that were worth zero one year, then 30 million the next,
00:02:46.180 and then back down to zero. So they're strolling, she and the third husband,
00:02:50.700 Tim Minette, while a Somali song plays in the background. Watch.
00:03:16.180 much. I don't, I, I, all right, we get it. Sorry. That was a bit much. Um, you know what?
00:03:29.160 You're in America now. Just a nice stroll by the lake. While the lyrics to that hip hop
00:03:35.080 diss track include lines that translate to quote, if I confront you in the afternoon by evening,
00:03:41.380 I will teach you a lesson and keep you awake throughout the night. Yes, you will suffer and
00:03:45.780 cry in seething. You will scream like a demon. And let me tell you what's really interesting 0.98
00:03:51.040 about that little soundtrack she chose for her weird little video. I don't think she's
00:03:57.440 suggesting Donald Trump is going to scream like a demon because she knows very well she
00:04:01.080 has no power over him. And it is she who is on the hot seat when it comes to her illegal 1.00
00:04:05.720 behavior alleged. However, there are multiple reports that in the Minneapolis community
00:04:13.080 where she's from, where she lives. She has been the heavy when it comes to anybody
00:04:21.240 threatening to talk about her actual family connections and what her real name is and
00:04:27.580 how she ran around for years introducing the brother as her brother before she married him
00:04:33.980 and her sister Layla, who's definitely the sister of the man she married as her sister and so on.
00:04:42.400 So, like, there's all sorts of witnesses over there in Minnesota who, before Ilhan Omar ran for office, knew the whole story.
00:04:49.780 The one true thing she told Chris Hayes the other night on MSNBC was that this all began, this stuff about my husband being my brother, on a Somali blog.
00:04:59.480 That's true.
00:05:01.580 She tried to laugh it off, like, and therefore it's a joke.
00:05:05.620 It's since been investigated by very serious investigative reporters, and the proof is all there.
00:05:10.380 We've gone through a lot of it and we'll do so again today in part. But the Somali community has said repeatedly, members of it online, that she's got certain people who act as enforcers for her. And people feel scared to say the truth about Ilhan Omar.
00:05:30.140 They think she's very powerful now, that she's in the U.S. Congress, and compared to them, she is.
00:05:36.920 Not to mention, you know, the dad worked for a warlord, so God only knows what the connections are still on that side of the family.
00:05:44.100 Her father's since deceased.
00:05:46.020 But I do think that's interesting, that knowing all that, and then you hear those lyrics, I mean, it's a little bit more disturbing, is it not?
00:05:54.640 It's like, I don't know.
00:05:57.560 If I confront you in the afternoon, by evening, I will teach you a lesson.
00:06:00.720 We'll keep you awake throughout the night.
00:06:02.540 Yes, you will suffer and cry in seething. 0.98
00:06:05.700 You will scream like a demon.
00:06:08.760 And it goes on to say, let me show you who I am.
00:06:11.140 No enemy dares to threaten me.
00:06:13.740 Let the enemies die of seething.
00:06:15.860 We are the ones who rule this land.
00:06:18.640 Great.
00:06:19.640 So great to have you, Ilan.
00:06:21.740 And joining me now to discuss that and more, Michael Knowles.
00:06:25.200 He's host of the Michael Knowles Show on The Daily Wire.
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00:07:24.920 that's what this is. This isn't an attempt to scare Trump, which she knows she can't do. This
00:07:30.260 is a message. I mean, it's it's in Somali to other Somalians about what's going to happen to them if
00:07:38.160 they cooperate in this thing. Yes, I don't think there is any facts and logic argumentation that's 0.55
00:07:44.020 going on here. I think Ilhan Omar has probably given up trying to defend her obvious and repeated
00:07:51.000 frauds that she has committed when it comes to immigration or with her new husband, who might 0.76
00:07:55.160 be spiritually Somali because they seem to be committing business frauds together. I think the 0.90
00:08:00.720 jig is kind of up. She didn't even try that hard when she was on with Chris Hayes. She kind of
00:08:05.120 giggles a little bit, but then she says, well, you know, not to my knowledge, Al-Qaeda, you know,
00:08:11.740 You know, right now, what she is just threatening is a raw exercise of power. 0.95
00:08:17.600 And it's a perfect political story because for the last year, we've been hearing about this repeated and widespread fraud that has been perpetrated by Somalis in the United States in multiple states. 0.91
00:08:31.580 This has been uncovered by the government, and it leads to the absolute apotheosis, which is that the main Somali political figure is a fraud. 0.85
00:08:40.700 She allegedly helped someone else commit immigration fraud. 0.60
00:08:44.980 She allegedly committed immigration fraud herself.
00:08:47.980 She allegedly isn't even named Ilhan Omar.
00:08:51.440 You know, the list goes on and on and on.
00:08:53.440 And so, OK, the jig is up.
00:08:54.980 What is the answer?
00:08:55.760 The answer is to appeal to democracy in a way.
00:08:59.740 It's not to appeal to logic or facts.
00:09:01.240 It's to say, look, I got the support.
00:09:03.880 I've got my community on lock.
00:09:05.620 They're not going to kick me out of office.
00:09:07.780 I'm going to shove it right in your face. 1.00
00:09:09.380 Uh, here I am, you know, a typical Minnesota stroll across the lakes, blasting Somali 1.00
00:09:14.980 terrorism music. 1.00
00:09:16.420 What are you going to do about it?
00:09:18.040 And the answer is unless the federal government deports her, probably not very much. 1.00
00:09:23.660 She'll probably just be elected and remain in Congress.
00:09:26.720 So I don't know.
00:09:27.960 I feel like the, the noose is tightening here because she felt the need to tweet out as
00:09:34.240 You made a reference to there on Friday night in response to Trump's truth, where he called for her to resign for using an allegedly fake name because the DOJ came out and said she's she's Ilhan Omar, a.k.a. Ilhan Nur Saeed Elmi in illegal filing.
00:09:52.240 And she tweeted out the pedophile protection party's president is laundering right wing conspiracy theories through the most corrupt DOJ in American history.
00:09:59.840 Whenever the news turns bad, this creep reaches for one name, mine.
00:10:05.300 So let's make it crystal clear.
00:10:07.280 My name has always been Ilhan Omar.
00:10:10.700 Maybe you should focus on what your VP's real name is, as if J.D. Vance, who had a changing last name because his mother, with respect, was a hot mess heroin addict who went from man to man, hooking up with this one and then the next one and so on.
00:10:25.240 She's turned her life around since then.
00:10:27.000 Kept changing her little boy's name. 0.62
00:10:28.680 like that's the same, like that's the same as Ilhan Omar coming over here. And now when the
00:10:35.760 question is raised by the Department of Justice about whether her natural born name in Somalia
00:10:41.100 was Ilhan Noor Saeed Elmi lies and says, no, it's always been Ilhan Omar. This is a ridiculous 0.95
00:10:48.740 equivalence. And here's the thing, Michael, there is very good reason to believe this too is a lie. 0.96
00:10:56.940 my name has always been Ilhan Omar. I don't believe that for one second. There's just been
00:11:03.080 too much reporting about Ilhan Omar and her background. Powerline's Scott Johnson,
00:11:09.800 he led the way on this, reporting that in 1995, she entered the U.S. as a fraudulent member of
00:11:15.460 the Omar family. That's not her family. The Omar family is a second unrelated family,
00:11:20.480 which was being granted asylum by the United States. The Omars allowed Ilhan, her genetic 0.99
00:11:25.740 sister, Sarah, and her genetic father, Nur Saeed, to use false names to apply for asylum
00:11:32.880 as members of the Omar family, which they were not. Ilan's genetic family split up at the time.
00:11:41.700 The above three received asylum in the U.S., while Ilan's three other siblings,
00:11:46.380 using their real names, managed to get asylum in the United Kingdom. Ilan Abdullahi Omar's name,
00:11:53.500 before applying for asylum was Ilhan Noor Saeed Elmi.
00:11:57.600 Her father's name before applying for asylum
00:12:00.080 was Noor Saeed Elmi Mohamed.
00:12:02.420 Her sister, Sarah Noor's name before applying for asylum
00:12:05.200 was Sarah Noor Saeed Elmi.
00:12:08.040 Her three siblings in the UK were named
00:12:10.280 Layla Noor Saeed Elmi, Mohamed Noor Saeed Elmi,
00:12:14.000 and Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi.
00:12:15.820 Ahmed would marry Ilhan in 2009,
00:12:19.280 writes Scott Johnson, presumably to benefit
00:12:21.380 in some way from a fraudulent marriage.
00:12:23.060 They did not divorce until 2017. And just today, just today, it's come out that yet another tweet
00:12:30.220 because keep in mind, here's the deal. She did not run for office. She was an activist in Somali
00:12:36.540 issues out there for quite some time. She didn't run for state house rep until 2016, Michael. So
00:12:43.540 there were tons of social media posts from 2012, 2013 by Ilan, by her brusband and others giving
00:12:52.840 up the jig, like showing that they were all related, that Ahmed was her brother, that Layla
00:12:58.660 in the UK was her sister, and that Nur Said Elmi was the name of her father. The one that just
00:13:07.640 resurfaced over the weekend was from 2013. It was a social media post in which Ilan appeared to
00:13:14.720 refer to her father by a different name. Happy Father's Day to my Abu Nur Said. Nur Said. I am
00:13:24.800 forever grateful to Allah for giving me the best father. Then she deleted that post in 2019. Okay.
00:13:32.240 Her, her, uh, several records in, including a memorial post by the congressional black caucus
00:13:38.060 marking his death in 2020, refer to Omar's father as Nur Omar Muhammad. But his name was Nur
00:13:47.400 Saeed Elmi Muhammad at the end. So that's just one of the many posts. We've gone through some
00:13:54.880 of the others in which her brosman called her daughter his niece, in which her brosman called
00:13:59.880 Layla, their other sisters, twin daughters, his nieces, which Ilhan Omar liked. There is a picture
00:14:06.880 of Ilhan Omar online with those same nieces, the two daughters of Layla, in which she refers to
00:14:13.120 them as her nieces. And this is all prior to when she became a public figure and ran for office.
00:14:18.320 And by 2019, when Powerline and others started to write about this, she took down the social media,
00:14:24.360 as did the relatives. They scrubbed all these references. But Alpha News, Powerline, and Daily
00:14:30.020 Caller had already gotten the screen grabs, Michael. This is all a farce. This is a lie.
00:14:34.620 my name has always been Ilhan Omar. That will not pan out for her.
00:14:39.700 We know that she's lying because she got caught in a lie just over the last week.
00:14:45.100 Don't forget, it was in that Chris Hayes interview where she said the whole brother-husband
00:14:49.860 allegation began on Somali blogs. Now, a week later, she's saying this is all a right-wing
00:14:55.700 conspiracy theory. So she can't even keep that very minor, straightforward part of the story
00:15:00.860 straight. And this was always a question with the Brisbane theory, which is how is a guy named Elmi
00:15:08.260 the brother of someone named Omar? And the answer is because that isn't her real name.
00:15:13.720 So they've got her dead to rights. The other reason that it would appear they have her dead
00:15:17.480 to rights is that this is not just coming from some random Republican congressman. This is not
00:15:22.080 just coming from some local political adversary. This search warrant for her midnight raid was
00:15:28.440 signed off on by a federal judge. It was carried out by the DOJ in coordination with DHS. This has
00:15:34.340 been going on for a very, very long time now. And so it does seem like they kind of have their ducks
00:15:39.220 in a row here, and it doesn't even only pertain to the executive branch. So what I see with that
00:15:44.760 post walking with the husband blasting the terror music is really a challenge because assuming that
00:15:51.820 they've got her and the investigation and potential, who knows, prosecution or denaturalization
00:15:56.780 could proceed. The question is just, do you have the guts to actually boot me out of the country?
00:16:02.740 What's especially funny with Ilhan is she was caught on camera giving a speech to Somalis
00:16:07.060 saying, I love Somalia. I wish I could be with you in my country, Somalia. And so what Ilhan Omar
00:16:13.800 is saying- Off you go.
00:16:14.620 Yeah. She's like, give me what I want. Please, please. This is the challenge. And the question
00:16:19.480 is- Solves everybody's problems.
00:16:20.560 Can they do it? You know, will they actually? That's a major political action to boot out, to denaturalize and deport a sitting member of Congress. We've never had to deal with that. We're dealing with it now because the Democrats opened up the border and insisted on infinity migration.
00:16:37.820 And so then we had the highest foreign-born percentage of the population ever.
00:16:41.440 And a lot of people just think, well, too bad.
00:16:43.700 We've got the power, and so you're not going to be able to enforce this.
00:16:47.420 To me, this is, if not an existential matter for the Trump administration, it's a very, very high priority.
00:16:53.140 If Ilhan Omar wins this game of chicken, it is going to empower the Democrats on immigration, on fraud.
00:17:00.120 it's going to make it seem like the conservatives just don't have any real force to to carry out
00:17:06.800 even the most basic provisions of the law the number of avenues by which to prove that she's
00:17:14.420 committed fraud putting aside the statute of limitations on each one for now are plentiful
00:17:19.660 okay so the father claimed he was an educator when he came over as quote omar he wasn't he was a
00:17:25.940 colonel in this murderous regime that killed between 50,000 and 200,000 civilians in Somalia.
00:17:32.600 They were fleeing Somalia by way of Kenya because that regime had fallen. And now the poor people
00:17:39.840 who had been obliterated by the regime were looking to exact some revenge. They had to flee
00:17:45.780 because they were the equivalent of the Nazis over there. And the poor civilians who had been 0.84
00:17:51.420 murdered by them, the family members of those who had, wanted some revenge. We never would have
00:17:55.860 given asylum to such a man, never, had we known that this was his background. So he had to claim
00:18:01.020 he was an Omar, not an Elmi, not the big colonel in this murderous regime, and he only could get 0.74
00:18:06.700 half his family over with him. So that's number one. It looks like the dad lied about who he was 0.90
00:18:11.040 in order to cover up his criminal history in Somalia. And we granted him asylum based on a lie
00:18:18.320 from the look of it. And then her derivative citizenship, allegedly granted when his was
00:18:23.420 five years after that, was also a lie. Neither of those would have been valid given the original
00:18:27.880 lie. Now there's also more evidence that she wasn't a minor. You can't get derivative
00:18:35.540 citizenship through your father's naturalization if you are of the age of majority, 18 or up.
00:18:41.460 She originally had listed on her campaign website and election office website that she
00:18:48.100 was a birth date that would have made her 18 at the time of naturalization, which is a problem
00:18:54.200 for her. Her campaign went back, her team, and scrubbed it and changed the date to make her 17.
00:19:00.340 And now there's this. There's a new piece of evidence courtesy of Jim Garrity. Very smart
00:19:04.660 find. Very good find. From her book. Okay. Hold on a second. I've got to find it here.
00:19:12.940 she listened to this Michael this is brand new she gave it up in her book in it she didn't mean
00:19:20.380 to but she did uh showing that she was 18 not not 17 at the time of the naturalization hold on here
00:19:28.360 it is I have so many notes to my team okay this is via Jim Garrity and this is via Ilhan Omar's
00:19:35.280 own memoir in which she writes, quote, I was eight years old when civil war broke out in
00:19:43.880 Somalia. And the title of the chapter is War, 1989 to 1991, Mogadishu. The very first line,
00:19:53.820 I was eight years old when civil war broke out in Somalia. Well, if she was eight years old
00:20:00.880 by her own math in 1989, then let's just do the math together. Even I can do this math.
00:20:09.060 1989 minus eight is 1981, which would make her 19 in the year 2000 when she was naturalized.
00:20:20.080 Not even 18. It would make her 19 in the year 2000. She gave it up in her memoir
00:20:26.740 without doing the simple math. It's right there, black and white in her own words.
00:20:32.560 And the crucial point on the statute of limitations here is that the statute of
00:20:37.560 limitations, from my understanding, resets when you commit related offenses. And so the issue of
00:20:45.040 the campaigners going right around the time of the election and changing her birth records
00:20:48.540 means that you are now fraudulently changing your birth date and you're resetting the statute of
00:20:55.140 limitations. On top of that, the federal government is going after her as part of a conspiracy,
00:21:00.480 not just an isolated incident, but a broader fraudulent conspiracy. And so, again, you're
00:21:06.280 the one with the law degree, Megan. I don't have a law degree here, but just reading the reporting
00:21:09.880 again and again from a variety of outlets, looking at a variety of agencies and branches of the
00:21:14.820 government that are investigating this, I don't see a way that she can wriggle herself out of it
00:21:20.740 other than the naked exercise of power. 1.00
00:21:23.780 Let's say the Democrats win the House and the Senate,
00:21:26.040 and let's say that they win in 2028.
00:21:28.260 I guess there's a way that they can drag this out long enough
00:21:30.940 that somehow they'll keep Ilhan Omar here.
00:21:33.040 But otherwise, they got to send it back to Mogadishu.
00:21:36.800 Trump's got to get on this.
00:21:37.840 This has to happen within the next two years. 1.00
00:21:39.600 You cannot have someone who is not a citizen
00:21:41.540 serving in the U.S. Congress, period.
00:21:43.920 That's separate and apart from the deportation.
00:21:46.080 But now we're talking about, okay,
00:21:47.720 just going back to the father's alleged fraud
00:21:49.400 when he tried to get in here.
00:21:50.340 and to our pal Jim Garrity of National Review.
00:21:53.520 So he has the following post,
00:21:55.480 and you should read National Review online
00:21:56.760 because he gets into it in depth.
00:21:58.280 But he writes,
00:21:58.720 We are supposed to believe that Nur Omar Muhammad,
00:22:02.560 again, the real name is Nur Saeed Elmi,
00:22:06.820 a colonel in the Somali army,
00:22:09.500 did only other unrelated tasks 0.67
00:22:12.780 when all these horrors were being perpetrated
00:22:15.280 by the same army,
00:22:16.460 and none of his work during his entire career
00:22:18.680 had anything to do with the ongoing genocide.
00:22:21.160 As Friday's Morning Jolt,
00:22:22.760 he writes that on National Review, noted,
00:22:25.020 according to the U.S. government,
00:22:26.360 quote, the term refugee does not include any person
00:22:30.260 who ordered, incited, assisted,
00:22:33.080 or otherwise participated in the persecution
00:22:35.480 of any person on account of race, religion,
00:22:37.400 nationality, membership in a particular social group
00:22:39.780 or political opinion, end quote.
00:22:41.900 Again, this was an alleged genocide in Somalia
00:22:43.760 that he would qualify as somebody
00:22:45.960 who would not be given asylum.
00:22:47.340 The additional wrinkle, he writes, in whether Ilhan Omar obtained citizenship when her father became a citizen is the question of whether he ever qualified as a refugee.
00:22:58.940 The odds of a longtime Somali soldier who rose to the rank of colonel from the 1970s to 1991, who never, quote, ordered, incited, assisted or otherwise participated in any persecution of the members of the Isak tribe are exceptionally low.
00:23:14.260 So that guy may have committed war crimes, was certainly too high ranking in this army for us to ever given him true refugee status.
00:23:22.880 He appears to have made up a fake name for him, tried to come on under the wing of the Omar family, along with his two daughters, successfully. 0.55
00:23:31.420 And that would have been fraudulent. 0.52
00:23:33.320 The naturalization, if it happened, we can't find paperwork for it, would have been fraudulent.
00:23:38.300 And Ilhan Omar's derivative naturalization would have been fraudulent because she was 18 or now 19, according to her own written hand, her calculation of the dates, saying she was eight when that civil war broke out.
00:23:51.680 And her own chapter puts that date at 1989. 1989 minus eight is 1981, which means by the time 2000 rolls around, you are at least 18 and more than likely you are 19.
00:24:05.160 You are 19. So in any event, there's that. Then there's the matter of the Bresbend and all the fraud she committed around him, including the following.
00:24:15.380 I've been meaning to get to this. So one of the guys, Powerline, has owned this, Scott Johnson, and another reporter, David Steinberg.
00:24:23.680 And he posted, Steinberg did, on X on October 22nd, quote, I'm most proud of this Ilhan Omar find.
00:24:31.080 Not long after Ilan swore eight times in her divorce filing from her Bresbend, she married him in 2009, they got divorced in 2007.
00:24:40.320 Not long after she swore eight times in her divorce filing that she had no idea how to contact Ahmed, I proved via the source code of the website for her sister Sarah Noor's company that he was working for Sarah and quite easy to contact.
00:24:57.240 This is what he proved and wrote about in 2019.
00:25:01.200 Elmi's posts, the brusband, Ahmed Elmi,
00:25:05.480 show he has lived in Nairobi, Kenya
00:25:08.180 since between 1221-18 and 114-19.
00:25:13.880 So he moved, he had been in the United States
00:25:15.980 for much of the aughts leading up to the late aughts,
00:25:20.980 you know, 18 or 19.
00:25:22.300 Then he goes to Kenya where Ilan's sister had gone,
00:25:27.100 Sara Noor, the one who came to the United States with her.
00:25:29.380 I guess she preferred Kenya. So he goes over to be with her. And Sarah Noor's company, he writes,
00:25:35.380 is clearly located in Nairobi, not just somewhere in Kenya. Further, it's provable that Elmi had
00:25:41.260 been, meaning Ahmed Elmi, had been working for Noor, apparently helping out with her company
00:25:45.920 website. Look for yourself, writes David Steinberg. Visit, and he gives you the URL, then view the
00:25:53.100 page's source code. You will see that Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi was logged into his personal
00:25:58.880 Instagram account while he was creating the link to Noor's company Instagram account.
00:26:05.420 And sure enough, he blew it up here where you can see in her greater source code on
00:26:10.760 her company website, you can see username Ahmed Elmi, screen name Ahmed Instagram.com.
00:26:18.540 He found, he proof that Ahmed Elmi was out there with Ilan's sister, the one she admits
00:26:26.300 is her sister, Sara Noor, who she admits has moved to Nairobi, Kenya, working on her website
00:26:32.800 at a time when Ilhan certified under penalties of perjury seven times that she could not find
00:26:41.640 or contact him. More fraud. Each of these is an instance of fraud, Michael. And to your point,
00:26:47.600 while the statute of limitations on that has run, if it's true that they're considering building a
00:26:53.480 case against her where you've committed multiple instances of fraud in an ongoing criminal
00:26:59.560 conspiracy with another. Every other statute of limitations of those underlying acts of fraud
00:27:04.600 are no longer relevant. They it's it's washed out and they're all fair game to prove you're
00:27:10.360 running a fraud enterprise. And I'll bet you they have more and more timely acts in furtherance of
00:27:16.800 this conspiracy. Of course, because once you commit fraud like this, you can never get out of
00:27:22.740 You have to just continuously double down on it, which is great news for any potential prosecutors.
00:27:28.920 This was the true dereliction of duty from Chris Hayes in that interview, which obviously was a softball interview.
00:27:35.520 I almost felt bad for him because he really seemed to believe that she didn't marry her brother. 0.56
00:27:40.620 And so as he tees it up, he says, ha ha ha, these crazy Republicans, you know, they say you married your brother, but you totally didn't do that. 0.92
00:27:46.220 Right. And then she says, oh, well, not to my knowledge. 0.93
00:27:49.640 and there's almost a surprise on his face like wait a second hold on are the republicans right
00:27:54.540 but the obvious follow-up question is okay so you say you didn't you didn't marry your brother you
00:27:58.740 haven't married any of your relatives to your knowledge okay who was the guy just tell me
00:28:04.720 anything about the second husband how'd you meet trying to follow did you consummate the marriage
00:28:10.340 yeah do you i don't want to picture that with your brother ilhan but i do want your answer on 0.75
00:28:15.160 He's gay. He's not just her brother. He's gay. Right. Yeah. She is not his type for a number
00:28:20.540 of reasons. When you go through her marital history, it's like following Abbott and Costello.
00:28:26.120 Who's on first? I mean, you really I tried to cover it on my show the other day, this 10 year
00:28:30.660 period or so, and I was getting tripped up with the timeline in front of me. It's very difficult
00:28:35.500 to follow. Yes. So any politician, forget about Somali refugee status, claims of incestuous,
00:28:42.140 non-consummated marriages just any politician joe blow running for congress if he had a marital
00:28:48.000 history that was one-tenth as complicated as ilhan omar's he would get a question about that okay
00:28:53.620 the second husband's not your brother who is he and she's never given an answer to that
00:28:58.300 no she exactly right because no one no one will ask i mean if you it doesn't take a lot of digging
00:29:06.260 to figure out that she's lied repeatedly and that she's so comfortable lying, she can say it
00:29:13.260 just in writing. My name has always been Ilhan Omar. Like, prove it. Prove it. Because there
00:29:21.840 are reams of proof online that that's not true. Why were you calling a woman whose last name is
00:29:32.020 Noor Saeed Elmi, why were you calling her daughters your nieces? Why was the man who
00:29:39.060 shares the same name and birth date as your husband calling your daughter his niece and
00:29:47.700 also Layla's daughters, his nieces? Why did you call your own dad Noor Saeed instead of
00:29:55.000 Muhammad Omar. Honestly, why doesn't some reporter ask her any of these? Show her the social media
00:30:03.880 post. This is what's so infuriating. Let's go down the lane of it isn't a lie. She's been
00:30:10.980 telling the truth and we have misunderstood all of this evidence. Great. Okay. Okay, great.
00:30:17.180 Show me how. Show me how. If that's the case, then asking her these questions,
00:30:24.220 Chris Hayes is a gift to her because Michael Knowles, if I get you sitting down and I have
00:30:31.300 purported proof you married your sister from Somalia, who's been given asylum in the UK for
00:30:37.760 a number of years, and I have all these social media posts that seem to support that, you will
00:30:42.500 have zero trouble debunking them in about two seconds. Yes, I've never married Somalis of any 1.00
00:30:49.160 kind, much less my siblings. So you should be easy enough to explain. And to your earlier point, 0.99
00:30:54.360 Megan, I think part of the hesitation here is one, she's clearly caught herself in a bunch of crimes.
00:30:59.220 And so she's way too deep in it now. We were talking about Rico. It's just like the mafia.
00:31:04.760 At a certain point, there's no way out. You just got to deny till you die. You have to double down 0.60
00:31:09.540 on everything. But then let's say people do dig in here and they figure out who her father really
00:31:14.080 is and who the brother really is and what the family really is. Well, now all of a sudden,
00:31:17.740 You have completely undercut her argument for asylum when she was supposedly a minor, even though she was actually probably not a minor when she got her citizenship, because the a lot of us believe that we have way too much asylum.
00:31:31.160 It's way too abused. And so we're skeptical even of legitimate people receiving political asylum in America.
00:31:37.960 But the whole point of asylum is that people who are politically persecuted have to have a place to go.
00:31:43.540 You made the Nazi comparison earlier. 0.71
00:31:47.160 Nobody thinks that we should be giving asylum to Eichmann, right?
00:31:50.280 Nobody believes right now we accept white Afrikaners from South Africa because some of the political parties in South Africa are increasingly genocidal in their rhetoric.
00:31:59.340 Well, at the very least, I think we can all agree we should not be offering asylum to the people threatening genocide.
00:32:04.980 We should not, in other words, be offering asylum to the perpetrators.
00:32:08.320 That undermines the whole basis of asylum, even if you accept our current asylum regime. 0.71
00:32:13.920 So she would end up basically with no support whatsoever if she gives up on any of the lies that she has here.
00:32:22.100 And so it's now up to the federal government to show that this is a broader web of lies, a broader web of fraud that connect all these various aspects from the father to the brother to the husband.
00:32:33.260 but I repeat myself to the first husband to whom she remained married even during the second
00:32:39.040 marriage. And this is all part of a broader picture. If she loses any piece of it,
00:32:43.880 the whole thing crumbles. She was so bold as to file joint tax returns with husband number one, 0.86
00:32:50.040 the father of her children, while she was legally married. And I use that term legally
00:32:55.340 questionably because you're not allowed to legally marry your brother. But anyway,
00:32:58.260 while she was technically legally married to the brother.
00:33:02.320 Like, she knew it was a scam.
00:33:04.900 She was like counting on the federal government to not pay attention to the fact that
00:33:09.620 the only husband she went through the legal ceremony with, 1.00
00:33:13.240 and all it takes to get married is a wedding certificate, a marriage certificate,
00:33:17.740 and a ceremony of some type.
00:33:19.540 And she did both of those with her brother, her alleged brother, Ahmed.
00:33:22.960 She never did the marriage certificate with husband number one, Hersey,
00:33:27.540 until after she had divorced her brother.
00:33:30.460 And by the way, it's no accident now
00:33:32.360 that the brother in 2018, 2019 flees to Nairobi
00:33:36.940 because now she's been a state representative for two years
00:33:41.480 and she's running for the U.S. Congress.
00:33:43.660 And very clearly, Michael,
00:33:44.960 he needed to get the hell out of Dodge
00:33:46.560 so that he couldn't be asked these tough questions.
00:33:48.820 And now he's overseas writing dissertations 0.81
00:33:54.200 about how gay he is. 1.00
00:33:55.540 I mean, truly, like I'm not joking, 0.96
00:33:56.840 about all of his the gay diaspora and gay this and gay that there's no question he is you take 1.00
00:34:02.400 one look at him and you can tell he's gay he's very flamboyant and the reports are actually that 0.91
00:34:06.420 that their father who came first with ilan and his sister sarah sent for ahmed to get the to get 0.98
00:34:12.880 the hell over to the united states because he didn't approve of his muslim son's behavior over
00:34:20.000 there in the uk i guess the older sister leila who was raising him was a little too permissive
00:34:24.540 So the dad, Mohammed, was like, yo, you're coming to Minnesota. He was reportedly enrolled in the high school there under his real name, Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi, with a birth date that would wind up mirroring exactly the name and birth date of the man that Ilhan Omar would marry.
00:34:42.380 OK, so all of this is so it's amazing.
00:34:46.520 Actually, I kind of feel like amazed that I can just now say it off the top of my head because it is so convoluted and they and they did it intentionally to confuse everybody.
00:34:54.400 But it's like I said, just kick it off.
00:34:57.080 The noose is tightening. 0.69
00:34:58.560 The legal noose is tightening no matter what sort of weird Somali terrorist lyrics she wants to post. 0.88
00:35:03.700 Well, that's that's a big part of the key, too, is not only did they commit this fraud or the father committed the fraud or this other person committed the fraud. 0.88
00:35:11.440 Everyone was involved and everyone knew, down to sending the light in the loafers brother back to Nairobi, down to the congressional staff changing the dates on these birth documents for Ilhan Omar. 0.81
00:35:25.460 It does also show you a point on assimilation and migration, though. 0.89
00:35:29.560 It's charming almost that this Somali Muslim father thought that the best way to de-gay the son was to bring him to the United States in the 21st century.
00:35:39.660 You know, we we do a lot of pride stuff here. I love this idea. I know what we will do. We will send the young man to San Francisco, good Catholic city named after Saint. Yes, that will de-gay him. That probably is not going to work. 0.94
00:35:52.980 This is Russian. That is a Russian accent. I can't do that. I do a job of the hot impression when I try to do Somali and it's way too offensive. So I won't even attempt it. But clearly it didn't work to correct the issues of the sun. And to your point, the timelines are just too perfect. 0.96
00:36:07.860 He leaves the U.S. just as his sister wife is, which they do have sister wives, actually, but I mean like this in a literal sense.
00:36:16.320 His sister, who was also his wife, was gaining some prominence.
00:36:20.300 The astounding thing about this whole story is the brazenness, the audacity to think that she could get away with it.
00:36:30.400 You know, if you're living in this obvious fraud, don't you think you would just live a quiet life?
00:36:35.940 And, you know, I don't know, go be a baker or something.
00:36:38.280 Yes.
00:36:38.760 The audacity to thank you.
00:36:40.120 Our system is so weak now. 1.00
00:36:42.300 It is so rife with fraud that this woman, she's going to be mouthy. 1.00
00:36:46.320 She's going to be an activist. 1.00
00:36:47.280 She's going to make demands. 1.00
00:36:48.720 She's going to get a seat in the U.S. Congress. 1.00
00:36:50.920 And you dumb Americans aren't going to figure it out. 0.99
00:36:53.260 And even if you do, you're not going to do anything about it. 1.00
00:36:55.760 It's just that alone is so offensive as an American that I really, really want to see her deported.
00:37:03.320 It's unbelievable. 0.99
00:37:04.060 All right. I want to keep going because there's other things I want to hit with you. Vivek Ramaswamy is still kind of under fire for his ad using the mother of his opponent, Amy Acton, who I believe is a serial liar and a very, very emotionally unregulated person.
00:37:20.600 I mean, honestly, she is way too fragile and weak and emotional to be a corporate leader, never mind a leader of an entire state.
00:37:27.780 The people of Ohio do not do this to yourself.
00:37:30.200 Like Vivek is I think he's a billionaire.
00:37:33.300 He's at least 100 millionaire, many hundreds of millions.
00:37:35.820 Like he knows how to make money.
00:37:37.460 He knows how to run a company.
00:37:39.140 He knows how to turn things around economically.
00:37:41.640 She knows nothing.
00:37:42.280 She knows how to cry under her desk when she has to give a pre-written statement about covid, which is what her staff reported per the Washington Examiner. 0.82
00:37:50.220 So this woman, she's too much of a mess to ever be a chief executive of a state.
00:37:54.260 But he unleashed that ad and he was on Fox and Friends today and was asked about it. 0.98
00:38:00.780 And here's what he said.
00:38:02.040 You never start a fight, but if you find yourself in one, you finish it and you have to stand
00:38:06.580 for what is right and what is true.
00:38:08.540 They've attacked me.
00:38:09.360 They've defamed my mother to media silence.
00:38:12.100 It's unbelievable.
00:38:13.820 And yet at the same time, they'll trot out anything to attack a Republican.
00:38:18.200 We're standing for truth.
00:38:19.660 And so the irony is they're lying about an ad that was about her lying. 0.99
00:38:25.920 The fact of the matter is I am running against somebody who is crazy, unstable and dishonest. 0.99
00:38:31.280 And even more importantly, they represent crazy and unstable and dishonest ideas. 0.97
00:38:36.680 This is a fork in the road for the future of Ohio.
00:38:39.260 And if they actually believe these are unfair attacks, you know what my opponent would be doing?
00:38:43.340 She'd be agreeing to show up on a debate with me as I agreed to on CNN and NBC. 0.82
00:38:48.660 she is hiding because they want to lie and then deflect accountability.
00:38:54.840 And he pointed out in this appearance that it was Amy Acton's campaign who attacked his mother
00:39:02.060 first, that he did not, because we say, you know, I don't want to start the fight, but I will finish
00:39:07.740 it. And sure enough, it's true. We found the statement in which they went after his mom.
00:39:14.260 She's a researcher, a medical researcher in her own right. And of course, Vivek made a lot of
00:39:18.180 his money off of these drugs, including an Alzheimer's drug that he brought to market,
00:39:22.620 I think, with an IPO. And then he cashed out and he made a bunch of money. But the complaint was
00:39:27.280 that the regular folks didn't make money off of it because the drug did not pan out. We have not
00:39:32.060 solved Alzheimer's, sadly. But whatever. There are a lot of people who play the market this way
00:39:36.220 and say, it's up to you if you want to try your luck on this IPO and you want to see if this drug
00:39:41.180 pans out. In any event, they went after his mother repeatedly, saying she didn't have the skills,
00:39:46.040 that she basically was just his puppet and sort of blessed this drug for her son.
00:39:50.860 I'm sure he didn't enjoy that much.
00:39:53.440 And so there's the left is still sort of clutching the pearls over this ad.
00:39:59.260 Like, how could you?
00:39:59.900 And Vivek is out there repeatedly saying the ad has my opponent's mother saying she's a liar. 0.79
00:40:06.460 That's what we're accusing her of.
00:40:08.180 Like you people are bringing into it the fact that she was allegedly a sexual abuse victim by the father.
00:40:13.980 the mother stood by the father stepfather what we think is interesting about this ad is that
00:40:18.580 mother says she's got a lifelong history of lying so what do you make of it so there are two
00:40:23.720 vantages into the ad and i see people confusing the two of them the one is the way that this is
00:40:30.020 going to be talked about at the political scientist convention 10 years from now which is over the
00:40:36.020 wisdom of putting out the ad or the response to the ad you know the real malpractice from the ad
00:40:41.120 makers was that they didn't realize that Amy Acton already had a response in the can. She was 1.00
00:40:47.120 anticipating this attack because, by the way, Vivek didn't start this. The mother, the estranged
00:40:51.880 mother, has been talking about this for six years now. So the Acton campaign, from the poli-sci
00:40:57.720 operative standpoint, the Acton campaign was very impressive because they already had a response to
00:41:02.780 it in the can, and they were able to make the media cycle about backlash and all the rest of
00:41:06.760 it. But but can we just speak for a minute about the actual government of Ohio? I know we're not
00:41:12.740 supposed to talk about like issues or competence or intelligence in a campaign, but the campaign
00:41:18.440 is really about who is going to give Ohio the best government. What is going to be conducive
00:41:24.480 to the common good? Yes, there are all sorts of mean, tough, brutal ads and political campaigns.
00:41:29.520 We've been talking about that since not just Willie Horton, but for all of history,
00:41:34.600 the whole history of politics. The question is, who is going to lead Ohio best? When it comes to
00:41:39.520 Vivek, I've known Vivek a long time. Vivek's been a very impressive guy the whole time I've known
00:41:44.120 him. And he's very intelligent. He's very successful. He's very disciplined. He's very
00:41:48.420 ambitious. He's very normal as far as like highly successful people can be normal. He's very normal.
00:41:53.760 And that's what he's running on. He's running on making Ohio better for business, better for your
00:41:58.720 pocketbook, better for your constitutional rights and your civil liberties. And he's running against
00:42:03.440 this woman who was the covid czar she was actually the face of locking down civil liberties and
00:42:09.460 business and our freedoms and our way of life so this should be a pretty obvious dichotomy here
00:42:14.900 and then on top of it you're talking about it a lot this is a woman who refuses to debate any of 1.00
00:42:20.320 the real issues so then getting back to the poli sci operative you know a horse race of politics 0.99
00:42:26.340 yeah okay the operatives scored a win here because they're trying to change the conversation and make
00:42:31.040 it about emotions and make it about personal feelings and personal histories and all the rest.
00:42:36.580 OK, you know, have at it. But, you know, politics is supposed to be about government and issues.
00:42:43.180 And the Acton campaign has absolutely nothing there. The policies that the Acton campaign
00:42:49.020 supports are deeply unpopular. They're horrible for Ohio. They're horrible for America. The
00:42:53.860 American voters rejected those kinds of issues roundly in the 2024 presidential election. 1.00
00:42:58.720 And so Amy Acton, she's going to run away from the debates all day long. 0.94
00:43:02.920 She's going to try to make this personal and emotional.
00:43:05.440 And I would just say to voters, whatever you feel emotionally, this is about a lot more than that.
00:43:10.920 You know, what kind of government do you want to live under?
00:43:13.620 Who do you think is best able to run that? 1.00
00:43:15.680 Is it going to be the lady who cracked under pressure, screwed up your whole state and refuses to debate her opponent? 1.00
00:43:21.160 She's crying all the time, according to colleagues. 0.86
00:43:23.160 Yeah.
00:43:24.100 Or is it going to be the successful guy?
00:43:24.920 Like literally in the fetal position, unable to go deliver the remark.
00:43:28.800 I mean, like that's you can't have it.
00:43:30.340 I'm sorry. 1.00
00:43:31.020 Womankind cannot handle any more stories like that about a female leader. 1.00
00:43:35.680 And not to mention that the cops showing up at her house not once, but twice. 1.00
00:43:41.400 2013, 2019.
00:43:43.080 Don't know who called them on call number one in 13.
00:43:46.360 But in 2019, maybe I screwed that up.
00:43:50.060 It was the daughter in 2013. And in 2019, she and the husband had some sort of a vicious argument to the point where she was allegedly, according to the police report, pulling the mirror down off the wall, smashing it. Her team leader said, oh, she bumped it. She bumped. OK, sure. I'm 55 years old in my entire life. The cops have never come to my home.
00:44:09.800 Never. It doesn't. Most people have an experience where the cops never come.
00:44:15.300 It's very weird that she's so emotionally unregulated.
00:44:18.600 They've been at her house not once, but twice in the past decade or so.
00:44:22.700 And in that police report, they said she was on prescription drugs and drinking both.
00:44:29.280 OK, so that's a bad combo, too. And not for nothing, Michael, this woman sounds like she's drunk whenever she's out there speaking.
00:44:34.620 I don't know what's going on. She has a speech impediment or there's something else. 0.91
00:44:37.920 but it happened again this weekend. Listen. Because together, we are going to take on
00:44:43.900 Mr. Amaswamy and this whole axis, and we will win. We will win. 0.70
00:44:54.980 I think she said Vivek Ramaswamy there. Can we hear it one more time? Can we just replay that?
00:45:01.100 Because together, we are going to take on Mr. Amaswamy and this whole axis,
00:45:05.820 and we will win we will win mr ramaswamy and this is not a one-off michael she always sounds like
00:45:17.220 this you're you're waiting for the hiccup i mean you're waiting what seems to be the officer
00:45:21.020 problem it's it's very strange speech and so if the response to the advertisement which you know
00:45:28.060 the advertisement is launched in the final days of the campaign after the acting campaign refuses
00:45:31.840 to debate any, any issues at all. If the response to the advertisement is, well, you know, she had
00:45:37.700 this very horrible upbringing and, you know, this very pitiable, you know, sympathetic situation.
00:45:42.860 And then you say, okay, well, yeah, there, there, there's a lot of family dysfunction here. You
00:45:47.180 could say, okay, you don't believe the mother. And then that the daughter then was calling the
00:45:50.660 police on Amy Acton and the husband and this, okay. You say, all right, I guess this lady's 0.99
00:45:55.340 got a very dysfunctional family. It's very sad. We should pity them. We should pray for them. 1.00
00:46:00.480 you should do all of those sorts of things. But why are we allowing this family dysfunction to be
00:46:05.860 the decisive factor in the race? And why are we only focusing on parts of it and other parts of
00:46:10.180 it? And can we, are we still mature enough? Are we still capable of self-government to talk about
00:46:16.920 the very issues? Because if Amy Acton is going to keep leaning into family dysfunction as the 1.00
00:46:22.840 driving factor in the race, I don't know if I'm an Ohio voter, I say, listen, lady, whether I feel 0.55
00:46:28.220 sorry for you or whatever. What are you going to do for my wallet, for my sovereignty,
00:46:35.960 for my rights, for my businesses, for my, for government efficiency?
00:46:40.020 I have problems of my own. And they have problems of their own. Before we leave this topic,
00:46:44.940 I do want to play Trump. He came out swinging for Vivek on this last, I think it was Friday.
00:46:49.940 Here it is in SOT 28.
00:46:50.900 Amy Acton's mother has not cared for her in about 50 years
00:46:55.700 after her stepdad was excited for raising her.
00:46:59.000 Why should anyone listen to what the mother has to say?
00:47:02.040 Well, I know nothing about it.
00:47:03.580 All I know is the mother said very bad things about Acton,
00:47:07.020 who I guess is running for governor against Vivek.
00:47:10.780 And all I can say is Vivek is great.
00:47:13.660 And I know one thing.
00:47:15.000 If my mother said bad about me, it would be a major news story.
00:47:18.380 That's for sure.
00:47:19.220 So I don't know what it is, but I guess the mother said very bad things about the one who's running for governor.
00:47:26.040 And I think you have to take that seriously.
00:47:28.320 Is there anything in a campaign ad that should be off limits?
00:47:32.540 I know one thing.
00:47:33.360 If my mother said that about me, it would be you would have hit gold.
00:47:38.020 You would have been very happy about it.
00:47:39.760 So I know nothing about it other than the mother said horrible things about a person that's running for governor of a great state.
00:47:47.860 A great state. And if it's even a little bit true, you don't want her as governor.
00:47:54.340 I'm sorry, Michael, but how true is that? They you think these same people, these media pundits
00:47:59.360 and the David French's of a world of the world, all these people are writing this horror. Oh,
00:48:02.640 I'm horrified by this ad would have had one problem with it if they could have gotten Trump's
00:48:08.760 mom on camera saying that stuff about him. How many times did we have to see Mary Trump
00:48:15.200 all over cable news trying to psychiatrically diagnose him. They all gave her carte blanche 1.00
00:48:22.560 to come on and do that. But now they're just horrified that they brought somebody's family
00:48:26.360 into the campaign in this way. That's what Trump is talking about here is even less the ad than
00:48:30.740 the media response. Because yes, for 10 years, 10 years plus now, every time Trump's third cousin
00:48:37.020 twice removed complains that he didn't buy her a pony for her eighth birthday, this is major news 0.99
00:48:42.600 and evidence that Trump is a total monster. You know, the way I look at it is there are plenty 0.97
00:48:48.800 of voters who are going to hear the story of Amy Acton and her response to this advertisement,
00:48:52.720 and they're going to feel great pity for her. And they're going to say, you know,
00:48:55.200 she did have a rotten childhood and, you know, she did have a lot of problems and
00:48:58.620 she still has some problems. And, you know, yeah, I do kind of feel bad for Amy Acton,
00:49:02.960 but you know what? Amy Acton is just not fit to be governor. And this whole sideshow and this 1.00
00:49:10.180 this whole distraction is is further underlying the point you can feel bad for maybe you buy her 1.00
00:49:15.860 a cup of coffee if you see her on the street but this is not the kind of lady that has the 1.00
00:49:20.340 temperament that has the judgment and certainly that that has the policy agenda and the ideology
00:49:25.540 to be governor you you can you can feel sorry for people who have no business being in politics and
00:49:31.840 i i think for the median ohio voter i think that's amy acton and i think that anybody who
00:49:36.780 reasonably ascertains what the real issues are in the race, along with judgment and intelligence
00:49:42.220 and all the rest, I think they're probably going to pull the lever for Vivek, as they should.
00:49:47.280 In the minute we have left, predictions on these midterms?
00:49:51.700 You know, I'm an optimistic guy. That's not true. I'm not an optimistic guy, but I'm a hopeful guy
00:49:55.420 because hope is a theological virtue and a fact. And hope means that you're neither an optimist
00:50:00.320 nor a pessimist. So looking ahead, it's going to be a big challenge. I'm really, really concerned
00:50:06.740 All of the forces right now are arrayed against the conservatives and against Republicans.
00:50:12.280 The best thing that we have going for us is that this is the most radical slate of Democrat candidates we have ever seen in our country.
00:50:19.140 They are openly out for revenge.
00:50:20.820 A sitting Democrat senator said that she wants to persecute every Republican she can find to the point that teenagers are afraid even to volunteer to work for a Republican politician or a president.
00:50:31.320 That's the threat against us. 1.00
00:50:32.800 She's despicable. 0.99
00:50:33.480 I don't want to put money down on it because that money will be confiscated anyway if the 0.97
00:50:37.780 Democrats win and send me to the gulag.
00:50:41.880 Well, today we have a little bit of an uptick when it comes to the Republicans' chances across
00:50:46.880 the polling gurus. So that's something. And more and more people acknowledging that the
00:50:51.660 Republicans tend to have a three-point about hidden vote on a lot of these elections. So if
00:50:57.640 that all pans out, they should hold the Senate at least. Michael Knowles, a pleasure. Thank you.
00:51:02.780 Great to see you.
00:51:03.180 Good to see you, Megan.
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00:53:09.160 We want to bring you the latest now on Thomas Markle, the father of Meghan Markle,
00:53:14.260 now known as Meghan Sussex, Duchess of Sussex, she would want me to tell you.
00:53:21.160 So much broke over the weekend in this case, I hardly know where to begin.
00:53:25.540 Here is, I guess, where we'll start our own reporting for you, exclusive to the MK show on the role that our FBI is now taking in the case.
00:53:37.000 We are informed by officials in the know that the FBI is not in the lead on this investigation since all of the alleged child sexual abuse material said to have been found on Thomas Markle's devices from phones to laptops to computers and books and pictures, et cetera, were found in the Philippines.
00:53:58.820 So the Philippines are in the lead. 0.70
00:54:01.460 They have his laptop. 1.00
00:54:03.280 They have his computer.
00:54:04.240 The FBI is, however, working with Filipino authorities on it.
00:54:10.240 It's not in our possession.
00:54:11.880 It's in theirs.
00:54:13.520 They are looking into whether Thomas Markle Sr. ever traveled to the United States with that laptop or phone or any of the other problematic devices. 0.99
00:54:25.920 Again, the Philippines taking the lead.
00:54:27.940 The FBI's Tampa office and criminal division is working on this case.
00:54:32.460 So the United States FBI is involved in investigating this. They are also considering the evidence at FBI HQ. They could. They are open minded to and considering the possibility of a U.S. search warrant for Mr. Markle's American residences and or devices if enough evidence is presented forensically, proving that that may be present.
00:54:56.780 They can't storm his apartment based on stuff that was found in boxes in the basement of a Philippines storage facility or home, depending on who you ask.
00:55:06.840 But the FBI, I mean, trust me, if they have probable cause to believe this guy had child sexual abuse material on any device here in his Florida residence where he's staying right now, he's in a rehab slash nursing home, or on his devices, they are very open-minded to going down there, getting a warrant and seizing it.
00:55:26.780 So they are in a supportive role at the moment, but very interested since this is a U.S. citizen who is allegedly not only looking at child sexual abuse material, meaning we used to call it kiddie porn, which was not a good name.
00:55:43.620 It's good they changed it, but you know what I'm talking about, illicit pictures of young children, very young, according to the reports, 10 and under.
00:55:52.700 And then it morphed from that to a report in The Sun over the weekend that it was not just images that Thomas Markle is allegedly seen committing the sexual abuse of a minor, a young Asian girl, possibly in the Philippines where he's been living, on some of the negatives that were found by his son, Thomas Jr.
00:56:19.640 That's according to Junior, who says he saw it himself and said it was horrifying and said, yeah, that he saw the image himself and was sickened by it.
00:56:35.460 Here's him expanding on what he found from just the child sexual abuse material to at least one or two of his father actually in the pictures with this young Asian girl, Sat 8.
00:56:50.780 so amongst all these books uh the lewis carroll photographer of young children for nude studies
00:57:00.840 hidden amongst the pages was a series of negative uh the negative film from 35 millimeter film
00:57:07.420 the man in that image that's my dad and then just to verify just for verification i mean there was
00:57:18.040 two of his old expired driver's licenses from California in the boxes as well.
00:57:25.400 And side-by-side comparison, that's Thomas Markle in his late 40s or 50s.
00:57:30.580 He needs to answer for this.
00:57:32.780 You know, people like this need to be taken off the street.
00:57:36.440 No matter who they are, famous, not famous, dad, doesn't matter who you are.
00:57:41.780 now his sister samantha markle and tom jr and samantha markle are the half siblings of megan
00:57:50.560 markle they were the children of thomas markle's first wife who we now know is the person who wrote
00:57:57.040 the letter about thomas markle senior to the metropolitan police in london um shortly after
00:58:03.200 Meghan married Harry. But in any event, I'll get to that in a second. We know as of this hour that
00:58:11.320 Samantha Markle is still taking aim at her brother, who you just saw and heard there in that clip,
00:58:16.800 Thomas Jr., saying, you can't believe a word he says. He has an ax to grind. Thomas Sr. cut him
00:58:22.840 off financially within the past six months or so. He's very angry. He's bitter. And there's a very
00:58:29.440 good chance that he's doing this out of spite. She's also pointing out that her father has not
00:58:35.860 been with these problematic devices in years because they were in some storage facility or
00:58:42.620 they're in the basement of the, she says, storage facility. Markle Jr. says they were in his home,
00:58:48.160 Markle Sr.'s home. But she says her dad hasn't been with them and anybody could have inserted
00:58:53.540 these problematic images on these devices for whatever purposes of their own. And that, you
00:58:59.820 know, him being a country away, a world away from the devices for so long, because he's been
00:59:05.080 in Pennsylvania for some of that time. He's been back in Florida for the better part of the last
00:59:10.720 year. He did have the leg removal surgery in December 2025 in the Philippines. So he was in
00:59:17.400 the Philippines at least 10 or 11 months ago. But that's the sister's defense. And she's 0.77
00:59:24.060 threatening the Sun publication, some newspaper in the UK, which broke this story with a defamation
00:59:29.780 lawsuit. The father himself has come out and explicitly said, absolutely not. These are lies.
00:59:37.700 I'll read you his specific denials as we go through this. But he is offering to take a lie
00:59:43.560 detector test saying, absolutely not. He's never touched an underage child, never would. He knows
00:59:49.400 this is the worst thing you could ever accuse anybody of. But in the context of that happening,
00:59:54.120 we also get a report that allegedly they found the child sex abuse material on his computers
01:00:09.260 was uploaded in 2014 and 2020
01:00:15.500 because it appears that Thomas Jr.
01:00:19.180 had some sort of forensic examination done
01:00:22.420 in connection with the tabloids
01:00:25.620 because it's the Sun that's reporting that.
01:00:29.100 They appear to have looked at this themselves.
01:00:32.040 What he says happened was he went to the storage facility
01:00:36.060 or he says it was in Thomas Markle's house.
01:00:38.360 He was looking for a phone so he could give it to a Filipino girlfriend of his.
01:00:43.780 And he is shown walking online with a Filipino girlfriend, who I have to say herself looks like a little girl.
01:00:49.300 But she might, I mean, I'm not trying to be provocative here. 0.96
01:00:52.500 She might be like a midget or like a dwarf. 0.95
01:00:55.140 She seems extremely small, oddly small, but with a more mature face. 0.99
01:01:00.300 So I don't know what's going on there. 1.00
01:01:01.780 Maybe it's just a normal Filipino who's extremely small. 1.00
01:01:05.100 But anyway, the son's been living in the Philippines too. 1.00
01:01:08.980 And he says he was going to the dad's basement
01:01:11.440 to get a phone for his Filipino girlfriend.
01:01:14.320 Why would you need to do that? 0.54
01:01:15.580 Why do you need to get an old discarded phone of your dad's
01:01:18.840 from a basement stash for your girlfriend?
01:01:21.780 All of it's a little weird.
01:01:23.260 Now, if you don't have any money,
01:01:24.820 getting a phone is tough and maybe he just knew.
01:01:27.100 I know there are discarded phones in there.
01:01:28.800 My dad's not using them.
01:01:29.880 He's in a Florida rehab slash nursing home.
01:01:32.580 Let's go.
01:01:33.920 I don't know.
01:01:34.240 something's very fishy about the way he stumbled upon these four boxes. To me, it could just be
01:01:42.700 maybe he knew about the dad's problem and like his sister, didn't come forward about it.
01:01:48.980 But that whole thing of like, I was searching through the boxes until I could find the old
01:01:52.900 phone for the girlfriend sounds a little weird. That's just my opinion. I don't know.
01:01:58.260 Now there is a lengthy, lengthy report in the Sun
01:02:02.700 about all the inventory that they took.
01:02:06.100 I mean, it goes on and on from Thomas Markle's home.
01:02:10.020 Four boxes, black computer keyboard.
01:02:12.360 I'm just gonna read you a couple.
01:02:13.420 Selection of family photos, assorted letters,
01:02:15.680 notebooks, papers, family photographs,
01:02:17.100 thank you card, credit card, plastic Ziploc bag
01:02:19.560 containing Lewis Carroll book.
01:02:20.760 You heard Thomas Jr. describing that.
01:02:22.200 31 negatives plus two smaller negatives
01:02:24.420 with pictures of Markle Sr. and a girl.
01:02:27.300 Two of Thomas Markle Sr.'s driver's licenses, six DVDs, three SD cards, hard drives, another hard drive, nine mobile phones, including LG phone containing child abuse images, family photographs, five magazines, some containing sexual content, two movie CDs, 11 books, including child abuse images, two Mexican coins.
01:02:55.240 Bank of America checkbook, confession of a doctor with Victorian postcards, including bestiality
01:03:01.400 image, three nude photographs of older women or an older woman, brown envelope containing Emmy
01:03:09.460 award certificates. The father was an Emmy award-winning lighting director in California for
01:03:13.400 his career, 11 books, including some with child abuse images, and so on and so forth. You get the
01:03:20.140 the picture, but in every box, there are personal effects, sometimes report cards of Meghan Markle,
01:03:27.980 correspondence with Meghan Markle and her dad, and then separate and apart, but like also in
01:03:33.880 the same box or on the same hard drive, alleged child sexual abuse material. And a report, as I
01:03:40.660 mentioned, that they appear to be saying that they've done a forensic analysis. The Filipino 0.91
01:03:46.240 authorities are still conducting theirs with the help of the FBI, but the journalists seem to be
01:03:51.100 reporting that they have confirmed the items, the child sexual abuse material, were downloaded
01:03:57.540 in 2014 and 2020. So that's something. Okay, this is what they're reporting here in The Sun.
01:04:08.100 According to The Sun, Thomas Jr., a torrent of unspeakable filth appeared the moment the first
01:04:12.980 Drive sparked into life on a screen. Rows of icons linking to pictures and videos of children
01:04:18.500 as young as toddlers being subjected, forgive me, this is disturbing, to depraved acts by pedophiles
01:04:24.540 were laid out across the desktop. An IT specialist helped access the data properties of some of the
01:04:31.660 images. And now that I think about it, I do recall that Thomas Markle said when he saw these images,
01:04:38.660 he first called everyone, like from the FBI to the Philippine authorities to state authorities,
01:04:47.880 I think he said, in Florida. And he said nobody called him back. And so after a couple of weeks,
01:04:53.660 I think it was the timeframe, he then called an IT specialist to come over and start looking at
01:04:59.900 these with him. He didn't want to be alone dealing with this stuff. And so here The Sun is reporting
01:05:04.600 that an IT specialist helped access the data properties of some of the images. They showed
01:05:09.680 that all the files viewed were downloaded, as I said, in 2014 and 2020. Markle Sr. and his son,
01:05:18.580 Thomas Jr., had been estranged for years before rekindling their relationship in Rosarito,
01:05:23.920 Mexico in 2021. Okay, so after all those downloads, before Thomas Jr. became
01:05:31.380 Thomas Sr.'s carer following his dad's stroke. So the point is simply, this stuff was downloaded
01:05:39.840 before Thomas Jr. was even back in his dad's life. If any files had been added to the drives,
01:05:45.560 the download date would have been recorded after January 1, 2025, when the pair made their
01:05:52.520 fresh start in the Philippines. The Sun's tech source said the most serious child sex images
01:05:58.300 on the hard drives were all downloaded before Markle Sr. and Markle Jr. came here. The downloads
01:06:05.760 we saw all predate their arrival in the Philippines. If anything had been put on the computers while
01:06:11.760 they were here in the Philippines, the download dates would be showing 2025 or 2026, and that was
01:06:16.820 definitely not the case. Now, as that happens, the Filipino authorities are basically throwing
01:06:27.080 Thomas Markle Sr. under the bus. They have come out and said that they're pretty sure I want to 0.99
01:06:36.680 get the exact quote in front of me. There's so much here. There's just so much. But I'll paraphrase
01:06:48.300 now as I look. It was essentially that they, it looks rather damning for him basically, that they
01:06:56.740 right now, it looks like the worst of the worst. Here it is, the Philippine minister. I mean,
01:07:01.560 honestly, I've got like 12 pages, single space to glean from here. All signs, this is via The
01:07:07.740 Guardian, all signs point to Thomas Markle Sr. being a possible, this I'm quoting here, 0.87
01:07:12.980 a possible sex offender of the grossest kind. And they cite the official Philippine interior
01:07:21.260 Minister John Vic Remula. In these cases where family disputes are mixed up, we have to consider
01:07:28.100 all the angles. But right now, all signs point to a possible sex offender of the grossest kind.
01:07:32.880 We want to be sure before we release the findings. The forensics data will be complete
01:07:36.760 in a week. Please give us a week to determine the contents and to come up with a definitive
01:07:41.560 picture. We will release a statement then. The FBI said in a statement on Friday, it was aware
01:07:46.500 of the allegations and would provide support as appropriate to the Philippine authorities.
01:07:50.280 We will also investigate any related allegations of federal violations of U.S. law.
01:07:54.340 And you heard my own reporting on the extent of that, what they're prepared to do, and
01:07:59.040 what they're thinking about doing at the top of this hour.
01:08:02.380 So, and again, to reiterate, Thomas Markle Sr. denies all of this and is adamant that
01:08:11.160 this is made up.
01:08:12.020 And I'll read you some of that, okay, because I'm going someplace.
01:08:15.200 We're going to get to Meghan Markle's comments.
01:08:17.220 She's already revised the statement she put out last week.
01:08:19.540 But here is what he says.
01:08:24.920 According to the Daily Mail, the father in the wake of this scandal, Thomas Sr., has confessed to paying for sex in the Philippines, but denies sleeping with underage girls.
01:08:38.300 Thomas Markle vowed to, quote, do whatever it takes, end quote, to clear his name after being accused of sickening child sex crimes, telling the Mail on Sunday, quote,
01:08:46.100 quote, I have never had sex with anyone under the age of 18. The 82-year-old admitted that when he
01:08:52.320 was single, he traveled to the Philippines at least twice and, quote, slept with prostitutes,
01:08:57.880 adding, quote, I like Asian women, but that is not a crime. He said he would willingly speak 0.62
01:09:03.660 to investigators and take a lie detector test to demonstrate his innocence. He believes his son,
01:09:08.560 Tom Jr., who reported him to police, is possibly behind the explosive letter. I think that must be
01:09:15.740 reference to the letter that was sent to authorities back in 2019. There's no letter
01:09:21.500 that's been released in this update, the information that broke on Friday. He says,
01:09:29.180 let's see, the books among the horde discovered described as pornographic are about nothing,
01:09:36.820 says Thomas Markle Sr., nothing more than Hollywood history and photography. Any child
01:09:43.120 abuse images found on his computer were planted, he says, to destroy his reputation before he dies.
01:09:51.520 I am not well enough to go to the Philippines, but I will speak to anyone who wants to talk to
01:09:55.080 me. I have nothing to hide. I am an innocent man, and she gave me no chance to defend myself. I've
01:09:59.700 been asking to see my grandchildren before I die. Now, I'm just going to say that we know from Phil
01:10:06.860 Houston, the human lie detector, CIA deception detection expert who created the deception
01:10:11.680 detection method being used by the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and law enforcement across
01:10:16.720 this country. He's that guy. This is his area of expertise that one of the things liars do
01:10:23.420 when caught is they don't know exactly what you know. They haven't seen exactly what you've seen,
01:10:30.800 that he doesn't know exactly what's been found in that basement, et cetera. And so they will give
01:10:36.420 just enough to cover their bases such that, I think Phil calls it the lie within the lie,
01:10:46.500 like they'll give a little. And to me, this, okay, I paid for sex with Filipino prostitutes 1.00
01:10:54.880 feels like that. I'm going to give a little because I might have to. If you're telling me 1.00
01:11:02.780 there's an image of me in a sex act with some Asian person. But I'm telling you, it wasn't a 0.78
01:11:09.400 girl. It was just a prostitute. Now, that could also be true. I don't know whether he's a liar. 1.00
01:11:16.240 I find the IT experts' statements about these images were uploaded in 2014 and 2020 to be
01:11:24.680 very damning, if true. That's not a disgruntled son with whom he's had a falling out in the last
01:11:30.700 six months. That's when Markle Sr. was, we believe, with the devices, laptop, computer, phones,
01:11:38.860 et cetera, and didn't have a problem with the son. I mean, has the son been playing a game for
01:11:44.420 12 years, surreptitiously uploading images onto his dad's devices, his phones? And like,
01:11:50.600 this is just, it's a lot to ask us to believe. Moreover, the father has already basically been
01:11:58.960 caught in a lie here. I will tell you that earlier, we know, the father denied ever having
01:12:05.940 paid for sex to the National Enquirer in 2018, October 2018. This is what happened.
01:12:17.240 His wife, his first wife, who again is the one, and I'll get to this, we believe wrote that letter
01:12:25.180 to the Metropolitan Police in 2019, pointing the finger at him as an alleged child sexual
01:12:30.880 abuse consumer, et cetera, has spoken out about how terrible he is in the past without naming
01:12:38.520 this. And there's a, Page Six is reporting that she spoke to The Mirror, a UK publication,
01:12:46.460 about their tumultuous marriage back in May of 2019. Now that's an interesting date because
01:12:53.880 May of 2019 is five months after January of 2019. And the new revised timeline on this thing is it
01:13:00.820 was January of 2019 that someone wrote a letter to the Metropolitan Police and Royal Protection
01:13:06.780 Services all within Scotland Yard in the UK saying he's a child sexual predator. So this,
01:13:17.520 what happened in May of 2019 is his first wife, the mother of Tom Jr. and Samantha Markle,
01:13:23.880 um her name is rosalyn loveless she's since passed away she died in 2024 but rosalyn
01:13:30.780 went and gave an interview to the mirror a uk publication in may okay 2019 so this would have
01:13:38.200 been after she wrote her alleged letter within scotland yard and she publicly described to the
01:13:43.720 mirror her ex-husband as an awful father who should never be allowed to see or to meet his
01:13:48.500 grandson only archie had been born by this point speaking to the mirror about their tumultuous
01:13:52.900 marriage, Loveless alleged that Thomas Sr. cheated on her, including with one of her relatives,
01:13:58.660 subjected her to abusive, foul-mouthed outbursts, and withheld money to the point that she resorted
01:14:05.440 to shoplifting food. She also spoke about his drug use. Knowing Tom as I do, quote,
01:14:11.060 Megan would be a fool to have him in her life, she said. Repeatedly, he has shown to Megan he 0.95
01:14:16.060 cannot be trusted. She must know that now. I speak not out of bitterness. My life moved on
01:14:22.100 many years ago, but out of concern. She added, Archie deserves to be brought up in a happy home,
01:14:27.200 not in this vengeful situation that has been created. Tom was an awful father. What makes
01:14:32.660 him think he'll be a great grandfather to Archie? Although she said he was never violent, Loveless
01:14:37.160 alleged that he would, quote, often lose his temper, end quote. Whenever I asked for help to
01:14:41.320 feed the kids or buy diapers, he would scream, get a fucking job, and then laugh, she said. 0.99
01:14:46.400 Loveless also spoke of Thomas Sr.'s cocaine use, she alleged, which she says he acknowledged, 0.99
01:14:53.060 oh no, which they are reporting he did acknowledge in an interview with the National Enquirer
01:14:58.440 in October 2018.
01:15:00.880 This is how he acknowledged it.
01:15:02.920 Quote, in the industry I worked in back in the 70s and 80s, there was cocaine around
01:15:07.700 a lot, and I'm sure that I had an occasional sniff of cocaine, he said.
01:15:12.540 Thomas Sr. also said he had traveled to the Philippines and frequented the now-defunct Playboy Club in Manila's Red Light District.
01:15:23.580 He denied paying for sex.
01:15:26.660 He denied paying for sex.
01:15:29.480 That's back in October of 2018.
01:15:33.320 And now we have him going on the record saying, I paid for sex in the Far East, but I'm no child abuser.
01:15:42.540 via the Daily Mail. So look, this is, this smells to high heaven. To me, his denials smell to high
01:15:52.700 heaven. I strongly suspect him and I am not finding these denials persuasive at all, but that's just
01:16:02.140 my opinion. I have no idea what actually went down here. If this was some setup, it was rather
01:16:06.540 elaborate and it would have had to be going on for years. Now it is a little odd that Rosalind
01:16:12.260 spoke out about him with cocaine use and like an abuser and just the point where like I couldn't
01:16:18.320 eat food and all that and didn't even hint around this issue that was so severe in her mind she
01:16:25.840 raised it with Scotland Yard five months earlier and I've got to tell you something as a reporter
01:16:33.020 I can tell you that at a minimum that seems like something she would have said to the mirror
01:16:37.060 like on background or off the record. Like FYI, you should look into this too. I don't want to
01:16:43.480 say this on the record because I don't want to get sued, et cetera, but you should be looking
01:16:47.660 into whether he's a child sex predator. I'd really like to hear the mirror speak to that.
01:16:52.100 The person who did that interview with the mirror should tell us whether, since she's passed now,
01:16:59.560 she said anything about that in that interview. But in any event, back to Rosalind, it has now
01:17:06.660 been revealed, that she is the one who wrote the letter to the Metropolitan Police and their Royal
01:17:13.880 Protection Unit, not as Meghan Markle claimed in the summer of 2018, but in January of 19.
01:17:24.220 We believe that's when her letter was dated. What the Metropolitan Police are saying
01:17:29.440 is that it was January of 19 that they did show this letter to Meghan Markle. So that's what
01:17:39.760 they're saying. I don't know exactly. What they say is that, hold on, I don't want to get it
01:17:45.200 exactly. The date discrepancy here. I'm reading there's so many UK publications. This is the
01:17:51.460 Sunday Times, I believe, saying the Metropolitan Police shared the information with the Duke and
01:17:58.840 Duchess of Sussex in early 2019. They did not share it with the wider royal household. Buckingham
01:18:05.560 Palace has declined to comment on the matter. They said, let's see, the police
01:18:13.260 said that they received this letter in January 2019. Okay. So the cops got it from Rosalyn
01:18:24.860 in 2019, January 2019. They showed it to Meghan and Harry, same date, early 2019, January 2019.
01:18:34.760 They did not share it with the wider royal household. So, I mean, that's convenient,
01:18:39.400 but whatever. For now, Buckingham Palace has plausible deniability that they didn't know
01:18:43.620 anything about this. Then, answering the question, why did the Metropolitan Police not pass on the
01:18:53.720 allegations to other forces. Scotland Yard said that the letter contained a number of claims
01:18:58.620 about alleged offending outside the United Kingdom. A Metropolitan Police investigation
01:19:04.480 was not launched. The force admitted it had not passed the letter on to authorities overseas.
01:19:13.240 Because at this time in January of 19, Thomas Markle was living in Mexico, Rosarita, Mexico.
01:19:18.180 I mean, I'm just going to say all that's sketchy as hell too. What American goes and lives in 0.91
01:19:21.820 Rosarita, Mexico, and then the Philippines with a couple of trips to Thailand mixed in there.
01:19:27.980 I'm sorry, but there's a reason grown adult men love to spend their time, not in California,
01:19:36.140 which is where they're from, but in the Philippines and Thailand.
01:19:40.840 Like, come on, be honest, it's sketchy as hell.
01:19:45.920 So a Met investigation was not launched.
01:19:48.320 the force admitted it had not passed the letter on to authorities overseas. Why not? This is one
01:19:54.160 of the questions the Met must answer. Why? Upon receiving a letter like that from the guy's first
01:20:00.380 wife, remember, then he married Doria Raglin, who's Megan's mother, and they divorced after
01:20:06.640 about 10 years. So what does Doria Raglin know, too? Like, I'd love to hear that answered. What
01:20:11.000 about Doria? The first wife knows all this stuff, but Doria, what does she know? Like what? She knew 0.99
01:20:18.980 nothing? She didn't, the first wife never told her any of this? I mean, usually the ex-wife is pretty
01:20:25.120 bitter. If she knew stuff like that, she'd go right to the second wife and say, yo, especially now 1.00
01:20:29.920 that you have a daughter together, you need to know about his penchant for little girls. So like 1.00
01:20:34.860 that's one of the other questions. And why didn't the Met call authorities in Mexico or in the
01:20:41.900 United States, where Markle was a citizen, or eventually in the Philippines? Why didn't they
01:20:47.460 have any eyes on him whatsoever, understanding he is the grandfather of two heirs to the British
01:20:54.060 throne? I mean, truly, God forbid there's some hideous plane crash. Archie is the heir to the
01:21:01.320 British throne? Why wouldn't they have been keeping an eye on his maternal grandfather
01:21:07.460 and making sure if he was a child sex predator, he was under investigation and nabbed? Yes,
01:21:13.640 in Mexico or the US or the Philippines. That's very weird. The Met is now reviewing its own
01:21:21.180 handling of the matter and considering whether a referral to the Independent Office for Police
01:21:26.620 conduct is necessary. Let me short form your investigation. It is. It is. There is no excuse
01:21:34.660 for not relaying these concerns. What the hell went on here? Truly, what was this some sort of
01:21:45.360 a palace directive? They're saying they had no knowledge of it. But to bury this, to keep this
01:21:51.180 kind of a family scandal buried? Was it a directive by, you know, the Sussexes who are
01:21:58.100 claiming they put so much stock in this, they never investigated for the next eight years?
01:22:03.700 And that's what leads me to this piece of the story.
01:22:10.480 Meghan Markle had to come out and revise the statement that she issued on Friday,
01:22:15.600 of which we were quite critical, you may remember. And my own theory immediately,
01:22:19.640 as I said at the time, was that she was so determined. I mean, what person, upon learning
01:22:25.400 that their father has been outed as a possible pedophile child sex abuser, rushes to issue a 0.97
01:22:31.400 statement saying, I knew, I knew. And therefore your criticisms of me not wanting to spend time
01:22:37.380 with him were totally boneheaded. You were too mean. Whose instincts are to do that? I mean,
01:22:44.720 everybody, lay people, journalists, everybody knows the proper response to a hideous piece
01:22:51.680 of news like that is deeply distressed, can't issue further comment while the investigation
01:22:57.280 plays out. We'll definitely have more to say later. That's it. You guys know that as well
01:23:03.700 as I do. She's so obsessed with her image in the public eye that she had to like, and she 1.00
01:23:11.860 hates the media so much because they don't write nice things about her now. And even though they
01:23:17.020 did universally nice things in the first couple of years that she had to rush out and try to rub
01:23:23.680 the media's noses in it. You were wrong. I was right to keep my kids away from him. I knew things
01:23:30.640 you didn't know. You morons. While not realizing while she was exonerating herself on the charge 1.00
01:23:39.360 of, gee, you're kind of mean to your dad. She was impugning herself on the charge of,
01:23:44.580 you knew there was a child sex abuser running around and you did nothing to stop it for eight
01:23:49.760 years? What the hell? So now she's having to deal with that. And she is clearly having her defense 1.00
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01:25:09.320 real solutions for real people. Okay. So trying to keep this all straight. There is a lot to
01:25:18.640 keep track of here, but, um, so you've got, you've got the father denying it and he's offering
01:25:25.640 to take a lie detector test, but the son is very explicit that it's all true and he found it and
01:25:35.100 it was the most horrifying thing he's ever seen in his life. Here's just a little description.
01:25:39.420 This is again, Thomas Markle Jr. talking exclusively to the son in SOT 5.
01:25:45.060 I turned it on and I'm looking, looked at the contacts and yeah, there was like, I don't know,
01:25:50.800 10, 12 contacts on there and a little bit of a call log. So I said, that's not big of a deal.
01:25:56.500 So I went to the photos and the videos and, uh, it said four, four images or four, four items.
01:26:04.060 And, uh, so I clicked on them and I, I, I almost damn near dropped the phone and threw it away
01:26:12.720 because I couldn't believe what I was looking at. Uh, the most horrific video of a very young
01:26:19.260 Asian girl, couldn't be more than 10 years old, doing horrific sexual acts, a 15-minute 0.91
01:26:28.460 video, and then four other images. 1.00
01:26:30.660 It was just, I almost threw up on the spot, and I was in shock, and I was shaking at that
01:26:36.320 point.
01:26:37.320 The most obscene, disgusting, the lowest of the low images, slash mixed up with videos
01:26:44.880 and photos and just countless and there's thousands and thousands of them on the one
01:26:49.800 hard drive. And it's just something that you can never unsee. I'd never even thought that this kind
01:26:54.260 of stuff is, is out there in existence, but apparently, you know, the dark web holds a lot
01:27:00.800 of secrets. I've never seen anything like it. And I can, I, you know, it's, and then this is my,
01:27:09.140 this is my father's material at this point i realized the extent of the legal i mean
01:27:21.120 the law-breaking material i mean it's just the illegal content here was just so extensive that
01:27:26.180 the lawyers need to be called immediately um and that's what happened
01:27:31.120 very dark so here is what we need to get to Megan's piece in all of this she issues the
01:27:42.240 statement last week saying I was told in summer of 18 no sooner does she do that than the
01:27:48.260 Metropolitan Police comes out and says we did give her a heads up after we got this letter
01:27:52.460 from Rosalind but it was not in the summer of 2018 it was in January of 19 so her team comes out
01:28:00.540 and well, she issues a statement clarifying the timeline saying she may have been mistaken by a
01:28:07.980 few months that she was shown this letter. Her spokesperson told GB News, quote, in recalling
01:28:15.800 events from more than seven years ago without the benefit of a diary entry or contemporaneous
01:28:21.500 record, it is understandable that she may have been mistaken by a few months. Okay. It's a little
01:28:27.420 odd. I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie because she went on, um, with Oprah in 2021 and
01:28:34.840 talked about this timeframe, like January, 2019, right around there as like the worst time of her
01:28:39.740 life. And she blamed it entirely on the Royal family, right? She got married and everything
01:28:45.240 was great. But then as soon as they were newlyweds, everything went to hell. And it was that timeframe
01:28:50.280 2019 and 2020 that the Royal family allegedly turned against her and made her so unhappy.
01:28:55.100 she wanted to kill herself. And she did not mention anything about the additional burden
01:28:59.560 of having been told allegedly that her father was a child sex predator. And it appears that 0.94
01:29:05.860 the first wife, Rosalind, in that letter that was forwarded, detailed allegations about her
01:29:13.340 ex-husband that included that he allegedly was abusing children. So we haven't seen the letter,
01:29:22.960 But the reports are that there was something in there suggesting he had actually abused children.
01:29:27.200 And so you're telling me Meghan Markle was super upset about the bullying she allegedly got by palace staff.
01:29:33.800 But this had nothing to do with she couldn't even remember when she got this letter.
01:29:37.340 It had happened long before.
01:29:38.880 Like she's she's she's unclear.
01:29:41.060 Maybe it happened in the summer of 18.
01:29:42.500 Maybe it happened in January of 19.
01:29:43.800 But the dishonesty of all this time trying to paint his family as a bunch of demons who ruined her life without telling anyone she had found out that her own father was an alleged child molester.
01:29:58.480 All right. This is a point that was made on line by a royal pundit.
01:30:06.660 We have it queued up. Let's watch it.
01:30:08.220 But I would say that the Sussexes have, I think, made it legitimate for us to ask whether the information that they were given in 2019 about what Thomas Markle had done, does that in some way affect this narrative about the cruelty of Prince Harry's family?
01:30:37.000 right because these are very minor snubs really that are talked about in spare and in netflix
01:30:43.120 it's about tights and lip balm and flower girls dresses and people not having big enough bedrooms
01:30:49.520 and having to buy your own sofa and okay yeah this comment about skin color you know rode back
01:30:58.200 from in subsequent years to say that it was just unconscious bias but for five years we have been
01:31:04.280 told that the source of Megan's unhappiness was the royal family and the British press.
01:31:11.080 And it now feels as if there are other far more significant causes of trauma and unhappiness
01:31:19.640 elsewhere in her story that are not her fault, right?
01:31:23.020 They are not her fault whatsoever.
01:31:25.660 But she knew about them and she chose or was advised or decided not to mention them.
01:31:34.280 Okay. That's Tom Sykes of the Royalist Substack and Podcast, and it's a very, very valid point
01:31:41.740 because these two have been running around dumping on his family exclusively for six years
01:31:49.900 without saying a word about her father, not even intimating, okay? Just that he had committed this
01:31:58.040 in with the paparazzi that they found so abhorrent. And not only that, but Megan, including in the
01:32:04.960 Netflix documentary, which came out in 2022, this is well after she was, she says she was told by
01:32:11.660 this letter, which the Metropolitan Police confirm in January of 19. Listen to how she describes
01:32:16.680 her father in Sat One. I was with my mom during the week and then with my dad on the weekends and
01:32:21.880 my dad lived alone. He had two adult children who had moved out of his house.
01:32:28.040 Where's daddy?
01:32:30.800 Whoa, I got to zoom back on you.
01:32:33.500 Or push that button in the back.
01:32:36.320 See, if you hit that button, you go full wide, right?
01:32:39.900 Okay, am I there?
01:32:42.420 I wonder.
01:32:43.600 Okay, see you later.
01:32:44.940 Bye-bye.
01:32:45.920 I was a daddy's girl my whole life.
01:32:47.700 Okay, I got to push the button now.
01:32:49.740 And I was with him a lot. 0.93
01:32:52.600 Okay, so she was a daddy girl. 0.94
01:32:55.060 This is how she describes herself in the Netflix doc.
01:32:58.600 What is that about?
01:33:00.420 Imagine you found out that your father was a child molester.
01:33:04.380 Is that how your coverage of him would have sounded in your documentary?
01:33:10.240 So it's just very odd.
01:33:11.940 And I have to tell you, I mean, I believe her because the Metropolitan Police,
01:33:15.780 they're now confirming that they showed her this letter written by Rosalind in January of 2019.
01:33:21.480 So what was that?
01:33:22.360 What was being done in that Netflix documentary?
01:33:26.200 Like, I genuinely don't get it.
01:33:28.240 I don't get the messaging to Oprah.
01:33:30.760 None of this makes sense.
01:33:33.160 And here's now what the friend is saying, which is obviously via Megan, Megan, to justify
01:33:40.460 the fact that she appears to have remained silent for nearly eight years about a child
01:33:48.360 sex predator related to her running around the globe. This is what they say via the telegraph.
01:33:59.260 A friend of the Duchess of Sussex said, quote, she's obviously upset and really frustrated
01:34:04.200 that having effectively been told to stay quiet. Effectively? Was she told to stay quiet or wasn't
01:34:13.740 she? Why is the word effectively in there? I'll tell you why. It's undoing the meaning of she was
01:34:21.140 told to stay quiet. She wasn't told to stay quiet. Otherwise, that's what you would state because
01:34:25.940 it would explain, at least in part, what happened. This is giving up the game. She wasn't told to
01:34:32.040 stay quiet. It doesn't make sense that she was told to stay quiet because the Metropolitan Police
01:34:36.760 did not investigate Thomas Markle. They didn't investigate him then. They haven't been investigating
01:34:42.140 him since. And they did not refer him for investigation to Mexican or American or
01:34:47.460 Filipino or any other authority. So what possible motive could the Metropolitan Police have had
01:34:53.540 to tell Meghan Markle to stay quiet? That didn't happen. That's why her friend had to put in
01:35:01.320 effectively told to stay quiet. It's a lie. Having effectively been told to stay quiet
01:35:08.740 And having been given assurances that he would be investigated, it appears nothing was done.
01:35:18.400 That's why she is now frustrated and upset.
01:35:23.400 I mean, this is unbelievable.
01:35:26.060 And she says, okay, on receiving the letter, Scotland Yard passed the letter to royal protection officers who shared it with the Duchess.
01:35:32.460 When she asked at the time what she should do about it, she was assured that, quote, it was all in hand, end quote, and that to act could prejudice further investigations.
01:35:45.420 Again, that that's not in quotes.
01:35:48.000 And why would the Metropolitan Police have told her that if they were not investigating nor referring to anybody?
01:35:54.020 What possible reason on earth could they have had to say to Meghan Markle that it was all in hand and that to act could prejudice further investigation?
01:36:02.460 all via the telegraph. I don't believe her at all. I believe they just passed it along,
01:36:08.660 and I believe she did nothing. And even taking her at her word on this, let's say it's all true. 0.72
01:36:15.880 The police service said to her, effectively, told her to stay quiet, that it was all in hand,
01:36:23.280 and that to act could prejudice further investigations. By everyone's admission now,
01:36:27.620 that would have happened in January of 2019. It took almost eight years for this to be outed.
01:36:34.880 And who outed him? Was it Meghan Markle? No, it was Thomas Markle Jr. It was the son.
01:36:43.680 She still had said nothing. What is the explanation for that? I'm sorry, it doesn't take
01:36:50.440 eight years to investigate somebody for alleged crimes like this, which she knows because that's
01:36:57.840 knowledge every lay person in the world would have. Eight months? Okay. Eight years? For eight
01:37:06.120 years, she has believed that the investigation is still underway. What did she do? Did she go back
01:37:11.660 to the Metropolitan Police, either the officer with whom she dealt or anybody in the service and
01:37:17.080 say, what was the outcome of the investigation? I did stay quiet so as not to prejudice the further
01:37:26.800 investigation you promised. What was the outcome? I need to know because he's my father and I care
01:37:33.240 about children, as I've told everybody for the past eight years before any microphone I could
01:37:37.380 get myself. Clearly not. There was no follow up. There was no additional pursuit of information
01:37:44.240 whatsoever, because they would have told her what they're all what they're telling us all right now,
01:37:47.940 which is there's there's not an investigation and there never was. There never was.
01:37:54.240 She knew she she had to have known it went nowhere at best if she ever did believe there
01:38:01.620 was an investigation. The best case scenario for her is that she believed it went nowhere
01:38:06.500 and she did nothing. But here's the thing. Meghan Markle definitely did not believe
01:38:13.220 that he'd been exonerated. So she can't use that crutch to explain why she did nothing to help the
01:38:18.540 children of Mexico, the Philippines and America. He's been in Florida for several months. Why she
01:38:24.640 did nothing. She cannot say, oh, it's because I thought he'd been exonerated because now it's
01:38:28.560 broken that she sent him a letter in December of 2025 when he was in the Philippines getting his 0.61
01:38:36.260 leg amputated after his stroke saying, I know you're a child sex predator and I never want to 0.99
01:38:41.880 see you again. And we know she did this because setting herself up to look like I drew a line in 0.99
01:38:48.180 the sand, she made a record of it, which is now all over the sun with which she's clearly
01:38:52.740 cooperating. And she sent a lawyer and a hospital administrator into the hospital to deliver this
01:39:01.520 letter, sealed letter to him, had him sign acknowledgement of it and had them videotape
01:39:06.240 him reading it. And he agreed to do all of that. He didn't know what was in the letter when he
01:39:10.940 agreed to all of it but he just so happened to have a reporter from the daily mail with him
01:39:15.260 and he said if you're going to record it i want carolyn here to report it
01:39:19.180 or record it and she recorded him reading the letter and here is that tape here it is
01:39:24.180 carolyn
01:39:24.820 I'm going to ask you to hand deliver this, first made by your daughter, Megan.
01:39:30.520 It is sealed, and I can make sure you know it's sealed, and then delivered to you.
01:39:35.720 Thank you, Mary.
01:39:36.480 You're very welcome.
01:39:37.440 I, Thomas Wayne Markle, here at Ack College,
01:39:41.000 have personally received a sealed letter from the office of Megan Markle, Duchess of Sussex.
01:39:46.000 Okay.
01:39:48.160 Wow.
01:39:48.560 so there you have it she wrote a letter to him and in that letter reports the son
01:40:05.120 because the daily mail reporters caroline said she was respectful she had been called there
01:40:09.700 by thomas markle who didn't know he'd be getting a letter but she said they'd become friends and i
01:40:14.960 guess he asked her to come when his leg was being amputated. So she was in the hospital room when
01:40:20.680 this happened. I don't know. All of that sounds very suspicious. A Daily Mail reporter just
01:40:23.920 happened to be there when they came and they videotaped and this is this big moment,
01:40:27.640 whatever. I'm not sure what went down and I don't know what to believe on that. And it doesn't
01:40:31.140 matter. But Meghan Markle in December of 2025 was accusing her father of being a child sex predator. 0.99
01:40:40.640 So she did not get any information that this went nowhere or he was exonerated,
01:40:45.260 which means she knew all that time and did nothing. We'll be right back. I'm not done.
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01:43:35.560 We were on the subject of Megan in December of 2025, confronting her father via this letter
01:43:44.540 brought to him by a hospital administrator and a lawyer saying, I don't want you in my life
01:43:51.880 at all. And it's, it's very telling. It eliminates, she thought this was going to be like her proof.
01:43:59.620 You see, like I, I drew a line in the sand and I made a record of it saying, don't, you can't come
01:44:07.100 anywhere near my children. That's great. What's a bigger problem is you had no problem with him
01:44:13.020 going near everyone else's children for eight years in three different countries. This is,
01:44:19.420 I mean, this is the piece I just cannot get past. I don't understand how she didn't see this as a
01:44:25.200 liability for her. And back to the earlier advice of just say nothing. I'm horrified. I'm very
01:44:31.120 disturbed by the allegations today. Obviously, I'm not going to say anything while the investigation
01:44:36.640 plays out. But I'll have more to say later. That's it. That's all you had to write. If that.
01:44:42.000 But she has opened up such a hornet's nest for herself with all of this. She had the date wrong.
01:44:46.420 it was summer of 18. No, it was January of 19, as it turns out. Okay, well, you could forgive me a
01:44:50.920 couple of months. Okay, but that's the time in which you were saying you were becoming so sad
01:44:56.160 and you were getting bullied, and it led to a year or two of nonstop bullying by Harry's family
01:45:00.860 that made you allegedly want to kill yourself, and then nobody in that family cared. But as it
01:45:05.460 turns out, you were finding out that your own family had a sexual predator in it who was abusing 0.99
01:45:10.760 little girls. Now, which one would have been worse? Will and Kate don't want to hang out 0.96
01:45:16.100 with us anymore. Oh, my dad is a child molester. I mean, which I feel like we may have been 0.99
01:45:21.740 misled, Megan. I feel like you may have walked us down a Mayberry lane that wasn't entirely
01:45:27.700 straight. So here's what she put in her letter. Okay. Now, she is very clearly working with the
01:45:38.180 son. The son has had all these exclusives. And the son is like a self-flagellating, oh, they have
01:45:42.340 this writer like, I'm so sorry I ever wrote anything bad about you ignoring your dad. I take
01:45:45.720 it all back. I was wrong about you. Oh, you know, heartstrings, whatever. But here is what the son
01:45:50.800 reported on what she told her dad in that letter. The Duchess of Sussex told her estranged father
01:45:59.940 she knew he had abused young girls in a letter she sent him last year.
01:46:07.340 The Sun on Sunday can reveal.
01:46:09.620 Megan 45 told 82-year-old Thomas Markle Sr.
01:46:12.280 it would be the last time he ever heard from her
01:46:14.380 and that she would never allow him to meet his grandchildren.
01:46:17.940 It is understood she accused him of sexually abusing children
01:46:22.460 and said that the authorities were aware of his vile behavior.
01:46:27.120 Markle Sr. received a letter while in the hospital in the Philippines
01:46:29.460 after his leg was amputated in December 2025.
01:46:32.200 To ensure she knew he had read the letter,
01:46:33.980 she arranged for hospital management
01:46:35.180 to take it to his bedside.
01:46:36.720 Markle Sr. was made to sign a form confirming receipt
01:46:39.060 and was videotaped accepting it
01:46:40.520 and read it several times.
01:46:43.300 This is the moment she'd been waiting for.
01:46:45.900 She envisioned in her mind
01:46:47.320 the moment this would come out about her father.
01:46:50.080 She could spike the ball about the fact
01:46:51.440 that she wasn't mean for ignoring him.
01:46:53.020 And then she could tell us all
01:46:54.180 that she was so disgusted by him,
01:46:55.860 she did all this to end the relationship.
01:46:57.560 Without realizing we would all have some questions 1.00
01:46:59.440 about why she kept her mouth shut for almost eight years
01:47:02.460 and that nobody was going to believe
01:47:04.180 she was essentially told,
01:47:06.160 she was essentially told to stay quiet about it,
01:47:09.860 essentially, by a friend in one publication, not her,
01:47:13.880 who specifically, give us a name, let that man speak to it.
01:47:17.660 Let's hear from him.
01:47:18.880 Who at the Metropolitan Police
01:47:21.280 told you they were investigating it
01:47:23.220 and that you should stay quiet?
01:47:25.380 That isn't true, it didn't happen.
01:47:27.040 And even if it did, no one would have stayed quiet for eight years.
01:47:31.100 No investigation takes eight years.
01:47:33.520 He was moving all over the world, endangering, and it appears possibly actually physically hurting and molesting girls after this point.
01:47:42.180 At least that's a distinct possibility.
01:47:44.980 And you allowed it.
01:47:46.580 I'm not blaming her.
01:47:47.560 It's not her sin.
01:47:48.940 But she was complicit.
01:47:50.080 And this is a person who's been wanting us to pat her on the head for standing up for women and girls her entire life. 0.75
01:47:56.600 More on that in one second.
01:47:58.280 So that's what she clearly told the son was in her letter.
01:48:02.840 She tells the son that she wrote she knew he had not looked at child sexual abuse material,
01:48:09.640 but that he had abused young girls, that he had abused them.
01:48:16.160 And then they say again that she accused him of sexually abusing children.
01:48:20.960 And then, now that was on Sunday, October 24th, which is, well, wait a minute. Isn't today the
01:48:28.600 26th? Yeah. So that had to be Saturday. Oh, it's via the sun, via the sun. Sorry. That hit on
01:48:35.860 Saturday. Now, yesterday, they updated the reporting at the sun. I told my team, I feel
01:48:42.660 like Claire Danes with all like the strings on the push tabs in the cork board, trying to keep
01:48:49.540 this all straight for you guys and make sure that you understand the sequential order of events and
01:48:53.960 make sure I don't forget any pertinent details so that you will walk away with a thorough
01:48:57.440 understanding of all of this. Like, I feel like in 10 years, my mind's not gonna be able to do
01:49:01.840 this. So enjoy me while you can. Okay, here we go. Yesterday, The Sun reports more on that letter.
01:49:09.800 The Duchess of Sussex's estranged father told his first wife he went to the Far East, quote,
01:49:19.540 Because 12-year-olds are legal there, the son can reveal.
01:49:24.980 Rosalind Loveless made the claim about Thomas Markle Sr.
01:49:27.680 in a letter she sent to the Met Police in 2019.
01:49:32.900 So now we're getting details.
01:49:34.740 And by the way, no one's reporting the specifics on the letter more than this.
01:49:40.260 This is the most that we've been told.
01:49:43.800 Okay, that the letter was sent by Rosalind Loveless to Met Cops in 2019.
01:49:48.340 It claimed he went to the Far East because, quote, because 12-year-olds are legal there.
01:49:52.760 Ms. Loveless sent the seven-page letter seen by The Sun and also by ITV somehow by this point,
01:49:58.740 and they have said, we're not going to report on the contents, to Scotland Yard's Fixated Threat Assessment Center.
01:50:03.900 In the letter, she said she put an allegation of child sex abuse to him.
01:50:07.780 She wrote, quote, I questioned Thomas Sr.
01:50:10.060 He denied accusation but stated that he went to the Philippines and Thailand because 12-year-olds are legal there.
01:50:17.680 Speaking on the assumption that Markle Sr. did make the remark, alleged by Roslyn,
01:50:22.540 ex-Met Detective Chief Inspector McNeville said, quote, 0.91
01:50:26.380 to say you're going to the Philippines as it's legal to have sex with a 12-year-old 0.98
01:50:30.340 is indicative of someone with a perverted sexual interest in children. 0.98
01:50:34.040 Well, duh, we didn't need an expert to tell us that.
01:50:36.660 But they do report helpfully in The Sun that in 2019, when this letter was written,
01:50:41.020 the age of consent in the Philippines was 12. 0.97
01:50:44.820 This is why, I mean, these countries are sick. 0.97
01:50:47.100 However, it was still an offense then to pay for sex with anyone under 18. 0.97
01:50:52.680 Following global concerns about child sex prostitution, in 2022, the Filipino government
01:50:58.200 raised the age of consent to 16, and it is now classified as statutory rape to have sex
01:51:04.300 with a child under that age. 1.00
01:51:06.260 Well, we can all be grateful for that.
01:51:09.380 But here it is again.
01:51:10.620 This is clearly from Megan.
01:51:11.860 There's nobody like that. I suppose the Metropolitan Police may be talking to the son, but their main source is Meghan Markle. So it's revealed here that the letter sent to by Rosalind Loveless, his first wife to the Metropolitan Police, Metropolitan Police alleged that she confronted Thomas Markle and that he.
01:51:38.280 he denied accusation of child sex abuse, but stated that he went to the Philippines and
01:51:44.860 Thailand because 12 year olds are legal there, which is, I mean, that is the same as admitting
01:51:50.940 the allegation that you have been a child sex abuser. So from that, and from that report,
01:51:57.520 I just read you where Megan accused him of sexually abusing children, knew he had abused
01:52:02.560 young girls in the letter she sent him last year. We know exactly what she thought and whether she
01:52:07.660 knew that it was also child sexual abuse material, meaning images and videos and so on. I don't know,
01:52:12.580 but she clearly was told he was abusing young girls, physically abusing. And let me tell you,
01:52:21.460 this is horrific because I think any one of us, even if we loved our family member, would make
01:52:28.040 sure that an investigation into them was underway. I'm sorry, but as you're talking about children,
01:52:33.540 The images on those alleged tapes and phones and laptops that Tom Jr. says he found includes abuse of toddlers.
01:52:43.180 Okay, so that's what he was apparently into if he's guilty, which he swears he's not, promising a lie detector test, etc.
01:52:51.640 But if that's actually his thing, girls under 12, under 10, and as young as toddlerhood, what in the actual F?
01:53:01.860 the metropolitan police does not get a pass nor does she and look at the difference between how
01:53:10.340 megan markle reacted when she heard this information back in january of 19 and how
01:53:16.320 thomas markle jr allegedly reacted when he became aware of it this guy contacted everybody
01:53:23.720 he says he called the fbi he called filipino authorities and then he called authorities i
01:53:28.640 believe in the state of Florida. He says nobody called him back. He then contacted this IT expert
01:53:34.780 to come over with him and do an analysis on camera and make a record of what he was finding and then
01:53:41.180 followed up with authorities. And now they're interested. Now we've got the Filipino authorities
01:53:44.620 and the FBI investigating and the Filipino authorities saying this looks about as bad as
01:53:48.740 it can get. And the FBI saying they're taking the lead, but we are assisting. And if there is any
01:53:53.580 probable cause for something like a device here. We're going to get a warrant and search his
01:53:59.780 premises and his devices, and that they're assisting on the forensic analysis. And I'm
01:54:04.420 sure they've said that they can use Quantico as a backup, which is the best place for analysis
01:54:09.080 in the world. So all hands on deck now. But look how he reacted versus how she reacted.
01:54:15.760 There is zero chance she was told we're investigating when they weren't.
01:54:19.540 And even if she was told that, why did she stay silent for eight years?
01:54:26.100 Why as recently as December 2025, when she still believed he was a child sex abuser, had she said nothing?
01:54:35.000 She doesn't even allege that she called back the Metropolitan Police in year two, three, four, five, six, seven and a half to say, what happened?
01:54:44.740 What happened?
01:54:45.820 Is he or isn't he?
01:54:46.980 what have you done to satisfy yourself that he's not abusing little girls right now and let me tell
01:54:51.940 you why it's even more galling because this woman from the time she's come on the public scene
01:54:57.680 has wanted us to know she is an advocate for girls and women that's how she wants to be known 1.00
01:55:03.360 her little podcast archetypes trying to get rid of words like bitch and like stereotypes about 1.00
01:55:09.460 women who are tough being bitches no you're just standing up for yourself this is her whole thing 0.97
01:55:14.540 how she's our protector she's standing up for women and girls she'll be the one her little book 0.99
01:55:20.760 about pearl like all the stuff i lost my voice i want girls to have their voices her whole origin
01:55:27.980 story about how when she was 11 she saw the commercial for ivory dish soap and they ended it
01:55:35.200 talking about women of america you need this product and what she did when she saw that sexist
01:55:42.140 dad marketing dish soap to women. We actually pulled it. This is her at the U.N. in 2015. 1.00
01:55:48.980 Watch. See, I had been in school watching a TV show in elementary school, and this commercial
01:55:56.420 came on with the tagline for this dishwashing liquid. And the tagline said,
01:56:01.480 women all over America are fighting greasy pots and pans. 1.00
01:56:09.780 Two boys from my class said, yeah, that's where women belong, in the kitchen.
01:56:21.020 I remember feeling shocked and angry and also just feeling so hurt.
01:56:31.260 It just wasn't right, and something needed to be done.
01:56:37.040 So, I went home and I told my dad what had happened.
01:56:41.660 And he encouraged me to write letters.
01:56:44.800 So I did.
01:56:46.540 To the most powerful people I could think of.
01:56:50.900 Now, my 11-year-old self worked out that if I really wanted someone to hear me,
01:56:58.260 well, then I should write a letter to the First Lady.
01:57:01.260 She was horrified. She's spoken about this many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times, saying she was shocked, angry, and so hurt to see this commercial that would assume women have identified gender roles in the kitchen. 0.84
01:57:20.340 shocked, angry, and so hurt. Something needed to be done about it, she said. So she wrote a letter
01:57:26.180 to Hillary Rodham Clinton, and she stood up for equality. That's what she wanted us to know,
01:57:33.920 that she was standing up for women and girls who shouldn't be subjected to stereotypes like that
01:57:40.880 because it angered her at age 11, what was being done, the messaging to little girls.
01:57:48.040 This this is how she's painted herself since she came on the national scene right there.
01:57:53.440 You heard her before she even met Harry. 1.00
01:57:54.860 It was important to her that we all see her in this feminist light.
01:57:59.600 What kind of a champion of women and little girls would stay silent about a child sex predator who was, again, allegedly shown on camera in these videos, according to The Sun, actually abusing young girls?
01:58:15.600 And Meghan Markle seems to have known that, too, because her letter says more than just the child sexual abuse material, which would be bad enough, she believed he was abusing little girls would stay silent and not make sure that there was an investigation of this guy.
01:58:31.680 She would have been much better off from a PR perspective and just a human decency perspective if she had never said a word about knowing about this back in 2019.
01:58:45.820 I'm not blaming her for the actual behavior.
01:58:48.280 I'm saying once told, she, you, and I, all of us, would have an obligation to make sure that a meaningful, robust investigation was underway.
01:59:02.720 And if after eight years we didn't have satisfactory information, something more would have been required, like a public statement.
01:59:11.480 This is deeply wrong.
01:59:13.920 she has sacrificed any claim she previously may have thought she had to this mantle of defending
01:59:23.140 women and girls please stop oh this is genuinely horrifying and I you know this allegedly
01:59:33.260 whatever effectively told not to investigate it is not going to get it done it's definitely not
01:59:40.000 going to get it done. Um, hold on a second. Cause there's one other thing I think I wanted to get
01:59:45.080 to here. Um, let's see. So what she told them in the letter I told you about. Okay. This is it.
01:59:57.520 One final thing from Thomas Markle senior, again, who's denying these charges. And this is being
02:00:04.080 reported by Caroline Graham, the daily mail reporter who was with him when he received
02:00:07.580 Megan's sealed letter personally delivered on videotape. She reported that the hospital's
02:00:16.140 president performatively handed him the envelope, bowing slightly as she said, Mr. Markle, I've been
02:00:20.420 asked to hand you this personally by your daughter, Megan. It is sealed. I need to make sure you know
02:00:24.060 it's sealed. For the next four hours, he fretted about opening it. He told me he was, quote,
02:00:28.600 scared it would contain bad news. He read the letter in silence, saying nothing. He shook his
02:00:34.380 head several times. Then he folded the letter up, slipped it back into its envelope, and asked me
02:00:39.160 to put it in the wardrobe, meaning closet. And that was that. He told me nothing about its contents.
02:00:44.820 I asked no questions. Mr. Markle has since been diagnosed with dementia, a condition he has
02:00:51.900 authorized the Daily Mail to report. I remember getting the letter, this is in quotes, but I don't
02:00:57.520 remember anything else about it, he said. I'm happy for people to see the video. I have nothing to
02:01:02.620 hide. I asked him about the son's report that Megan said in the letter that she knew of allegations
02:01:08.920 he was a child sex abuser. Quote, I'm not a pedophile. I've never done anything bad to a
02:01:13.700 child. Never. If Megan says that's what she wrote, then she's probably right. I was very sick. I have
02:01:20.140 memory issues. I know there was a letter, but I don't remember what it said. He has no idea where
02:01:25.820 the letter is now. Mr. Markle claims he remembers nothing of the letter's contents, but I will never
02:01:32.100 forget, writes Caroline, the dramatic and frankly weird way it was delivered.
02:01:40.120 So now he says that he paid for sex in the Far East, but never with a child. That any books
02:01:51.800 found in his basement are nothing more than about Hollywood history and photography. That any child
02:01:58.160 abuse images found on his computer were planted to destroy his reputation. I don't know specifically
02:02:04.440 what he's saying about the alleged pictures of him found among the sickening horror described by the
02:02:12.860 son via their source, Thomas Jr. But they say a photograph, an image of Megan's father having sex
02:02:21.680 with a young girl who appears to be a child was found. It was found in an old 35 millimeter film
02:02:27.460 negative. It shows a bearded man identified as Thomas Markle Sr., then in his late 40s or early
02:02:32.380 50s, reclining on a bed with a slim Asian girl on top of him. Another photograph on the same
02:02:37.820 developed film negatives shows the same naked man slightly obscured by the arm of the same person
02:02:43.240 as they lay on a bed, and so on. A source in Cebu City, meaning in the Philippines,
02:02:50.000 and they seem to mean someone who's seen the images, possibly law enforcement, says the man
02:02:54.360 has been positively identified as Markle Sr. It's difficult to pin down the girl's age owing
02:02:59.440 to the grainy quality of the image available so far, but she is clearly a slim, young, dark-haired
02:03:04.460 Asian girl, and they are engaged in a sex act. Other images on other 35 millimeter film found
02:03:13.620 in the pages of the same book show the same girl in a red vest top and knickers. And then you have
02:03:21.680 Thomas Jr. coming out and saying, revealing that he once had a conversation with his dad
02:03:29.040 in which the dad said that he's paid for sex in the Philippines and that he once told Thomas Jr., 0.98
02:03:38.760 you can go over there and $50 will get you two Asian prostitutes and you won't believe what 0.99
02:03:44.720 they will do to you, but that he never paid for a child. Okay. This, again, he was already on record 0.99
02:03:54.540 as denying ever paying for sex. Why does a grown man from the beautiful state of California,
02:04:02.660 United States of America, wind up in Thailand and the Philippines and Mexico?
02:04:08.580 All right. That's the story. So she's got a lot of questions to answer. The Metropolitan Police
02:04:14.360 still have a lot of questions to answer. They do indeed need their little internal investigation,
02:04:22.640 the internal investigatory group, to take a hard look at everyone who touched this case and find
02:04:27.840 out why so little was done. And then whoever gave Meghan Markle that letter must come forward
02:04:33.940 and repeat exactly what he or she told her, to the best of their recollection, all this time
02:04:39.820 later. And then at some point, Meghan Markle is going to have to give an interview on camera and
02:04:45.200 explain to us all why she sat back and decided to protect only two children in this case, 0.86
02:04:51.760 the little prince and princess living in her Montecito mansion. Thank you for joining me.
02:04:58.040 We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to The Meghan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda,
02:05:02.940 and no fear.
02:05:09.820 Thank you.