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00:01:00 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:01:16 There is so much going on in the world of culture, including Oprah still promoting Meghan Markle's brand.

00:01:24 And you, too, can get a $535 laundry basket as we continue to learn more details about the disgusting child sexual abuse allegations against her father, Thomas Markle Sr.

00:01:39 Plus, why is Dakota Johnson being photographed by the paparazzi so very much lately?

00:01:45 It's so strange how they somehow have figured out her entire schedule.

00:01:49 Here with me for the full show today, our very favorite, Maureen Callahan.

00:01:53 She's host of The Nerve with Maureen Callahan on the MK Media Podcast Network.

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00:02:57 at takelean.com. Hi. Hi, Megan. Welcome back. Happy Friday. Oh, you too. Thanks for coming in

00:03:05 this hideous Nor'easter. Oh, thanks. Yesterday was worse than today. Today's nothing compared

00:03:09 to yesterday. Do you only come in the Nor'easters? Weren't you here during the last Nor'easter?

00:03:13 You know, I remember when I first started coming to see you in person to do this, one of the first was, there was like a major blizzard.

00:03:20 Yes.

00:03:21 It was a major blizzard.

00:03:22 Even Abby didn't come that day.

00:03:23 And Steve Krakauer was on the phone with me like, do you want to go in?

00:03:27 I was like, the streets are clear.

00:03:28 It's fine by me.

00:03:29 Whatever MK wants is fine by me.

00:03:32 And I remember it was kind of like, I think you and I were probably those both type A students who were like, oh, no, I'll go through this now.

00:03:39 I'll go to school.

00:03:40 I'll go through this now.

00:03:41 Well, I, I don't know if I describe myself as a type-based student.

00:03:44 However, I never, I never miss work for illness unless I am like, you know, 50-50 on whether

00:03:51 I belong in the ER.

00:03:52 You know, I just, I just don't work.

00:03:54 I don't miss work because of illness.

00:03:55 The only times I've ever missed work because of illness is I was throwing up, like incapable.

00:04:00 But even then I did that presidential debate while throwing up with Trump, that, that famous

00:04:04 one from- 0.94

00:04:05 You're that bucket under your-

00:04:06 Mm-hmm.

00:04:06 But if you completely lose your voice and you went through this over the summer, sometimes

00:04:10 you don't have a choice, but I'll do the steroid pack. I will do whatever is within my capacity to

00:04:15 make myself function. I was afraid to take the steroid pack. I didn't know until talking to you

00:04:19 about it on the other end that it was okay and probably really what you should do because I've

00:04:24 never had that before. And it frightened me. Now I know. Now I know. I love it. I don't love

00:04:32 getting sick, but I love that six-day steroid pack where you start big and then it weans you

00:04:37 because you're so awake.

00:04:39 You never get anything more done in your life

00:04:42 than the week that you were on those steroids.

00:04:44 I mean, I've only had it like three or four times

00:04:45 and it's been always in my,

00:04:47 well, my roid rage and my huge muscles

00:04:51 may indicate otherwise,

00:04:53 but that's like the one good thing

00:04:55 of getting that illness is you're like,

00:04:57 I'm gonna be so productive.

00:04:58 I'm gonna go from feeling terrible to feeling great.

00:05:00 I'm gonna clean my garage, all those boxes,

00:05:03 all the old photographs, everything will be organized

00:05:06 and I'll be able to speak again.

00:05:09 Okay, there's a lot to go over.

00:05:10 We've got to, I think, kick it off with Meghan Markle.

00:05:15 She's devastated, Maureen,

00:05:17 devastated by what's happening with her father,

00:05:20 but not so devastated that she cannot appear

00:05:24 on the red carpet at the event in Brussels.

00:05:27 She can't speak.

00:05:29 It's like the line from Diane Wiest

00:05:31 in Bullets Over Broadway.

00:05:32 Don't speak, don't speak.

00:05:34 She can't speak.

00:05:36 But she can make sure she's photographed just perfectly with the hand at the jawline.

00:05:45 This is so natural.

00:05:46 This is how you and I walk when we go out.

00:05:49 Look, look at this.

00:05:49 Especially to be photographed.

00:05:50 Sure.

00:05:51 Don't we all just casually put our hand up at our jawline as the photographers are going by.

00:05:57 So she's not too devastated to be on the red carpet doing these ridiculous poses and clearly speaking to people.

00:06:06 magazine, which always cites a source close to her who we all know is Meghan.

00:06:10 This really, this like, this, I feel like hopefully we are end stage Meghan Markle exposure. Like if

00:06:20 this doesn't ruin her, I don't know what will. I cannot believe she had the gall to show up at an 0.85

00:06:25 event that was about the dangers posed to vulnerable children. You couldn't make this up.

00:06:32 Yeah, right. Shakespeare couldn't craft this kind of a thing. She shows up. Harry speaks. Harry has the gall to speak about how he when he and his wife decided to get involved with this in 2020. So now he's providing us with a timeline as she did. Oh, I knew in 2019. Maybe it was 2018. It's 2019. Harry says they decided to get involved in 2020. So she knew a good one to two years sooner that her father was probably.

00:07:00 she was told a child sex molester that's what she later revealed was in the letter

00:07:04 oh that's what okay yeah so so so she doesn't again she is in a rarefied position of power 0.50

00:07:11 she can call up anybody she could have called the white house she could have called the director of

00:07:16 the fbi the head of the doj and said listen i have this information can you quietly begin

00:07:21 you know to prevent other children from coming to harm then people magazine which should be

00:07:28 ashamed of itself ashamed shame they are despicable she's devastated she's devastated for

00:07:35 herself like make no mistake that's the story within she's devastated for herself yes what

00:07:40 about the like not the children no she's incapable of it i and then when i saw the oprah thing this

00:07:46 morning that oprah has decided to okay the champion of all you know children who are abused oh but i'm

00:07:54 going to prop this one up who let them feed to the wolves for the past eight years is oprah not a

00:07:59 self-professed survivor of childhood sexual abuse or not is nothing sacred anymore and it's like

00:08:05 this i would think would be the one thing the one thing that would be sacred the sexual abuse of 0.99

00:08:09 children they don't give a shit they don't care they don't care we've got to come back to oprah 0.99

00:08:16 too because that's not one but two people in her orbit who one failed to protect child sexual 1.00

00:08:23 abuse victims, Meghan, for eight years. And one appears to have made up her claims of having been

00:08:29 raped, both of whom Oprah runs cover for, promotes, pushes on us without acknowledging that one of 1.00

00:08:37 them has a very high likelihood of being utter bullshit. And the other one is making, you know, 1.00

00:08:43 professions of being a child, a protector, which are definitely bullshit, which we now know from 0.96

00:08:49 her herself, Meghan Markle, who ran and told us all she's known since 18 or 19 that her dad was 0.97

00:08:54 this thing. And she said nothing clearly to protect her brand. So this is it's 100 percent

00:09:00 Meghan who cooperates with people. They're the only one who will just spew her nonsense now 0.91

00:09:04 on unvarnished. There is zero doubt in my mind that there's no friend. It's fucking her.

00:09:09 And this so I think I think it's interesting because you get to read what Meghan Markle 1.00

00:09:14 wants you to think. So great. OK, this is the closest we're going to get to her giving an

00:09:17 actual interview. Um, so people's headline is she is devastated. She is leaning on her family 0.59

00:09:23 and focusing on protecting Archie and Lily, a source close to Megan. She's devastated. This

00:09:31 is her dad, someone she grew up trusting and was very close with for many years. The allegations

00:09:36 are devastating for her. There is a lot of sadness she's holding up. She has a lot of friends and

00:09:42 family to lean on. My note is my note. Three question marks. Who specifically? Like Harry?

00:09:53 We all know she has no friends and no family. So I don't know what that's about. And then they say,

00:10:00 oh, they want us to know Doria, her mom, is assisting authorities and identifying Thomas

00:10:06 Markle in these photographs. And that Meghan is prepared to cooperate with authorities.

00:10:11 Why would they need her? 0.90

00:10:13 They needed her eight years ago, Maureen.

00:10:15 They needed her eight years ago.

00:10:16 They still need to talk to her.

00:10:18 She is a person.

00:10:19 She's a potential witness to whatever was going on in that house.

00:10:24 So she's devastated, and she's protecting Lily and Archie.

00:10:30 She is not wracked with guilt.

00:10:32 She is not asking herself why she didn't come forward sooner.

00:10:36 um she slung jam four hours after her father was arrested like she could not help herself she had

00:10:44 to get she had to push out four hours after her father is arrested yeah for possessing child

00:10:49 sexual abuse material i'm sure you read the documents that i read you know that image of

00:10:53 him that's in there yeah there's no question witness one in the fbi affidavit is clearly

00:10:59 thomas markle jr witness two is clearly doria the fbi wants to talk to megan markle but she

00:11:04 has told the FBI they have to fly to her.

00:11:07 She will not come back to the United States

00:11:09 to speak to them. 0.97

00:11:10 What a humanitarian, Megan. 1.00

00:11:11 She has a mansion in Montecito.

00:11:14 Like, why, how is it so hard?

00:11:15 And by the way, so she goes to this Brussels event

00:11:17 and says, I was supposed to speak, but I can't.

00:11:21 I'm not strong enough.

00:11:23 I'm not strong.

00:11:23 She is strong enough to make sure 1.00

00:11:25 that her long black trench coat got posted on her Find My 1.00

00:11:30 for the fashion accessories that she makes money off of 1.00

00:11:33 if you buy it. That went up within hours of her appearance. It was $685. And she made sure that 1.00

00:11:40 she's strong enough for that and for the paparazzi photos. But not to speak, Maureen,

00:11:46 that's that would have been a bridge too far. This is all bullshit. She would have loved to 1.00

00:11:50 have spoken at that thing. She just knew that it would look bad. She finally got a clue what

00:11:55 would look bad for her. Well, you know, I was talking to Rob Shooter about this on The Nerve

00:11:59 at night and his reporting is that the organizers of the event asked them not to come that after

00:12:05 this broke and the the the deal they brokered because you can they will not be stopped nothing

00:12:12 not the the years-long sexual abuse of children allegedly reportedly can stop these two so the

00:12:17 deal they brokered was megan just won't speak oh that's amazing will speak that makes so much more

00:12:23 sense that she didn't actually see reason she was told don't come at all and the compromise position

00:12:28 was, please let us come, but Harry will do the talking. But he is just as complicit as she is.

00:12:34 There's no way she knew and didn't tell him. He has a lot to answer for, too. And here in the

00:12:39 People magazine piece, she has planted, I believe, Meghan was advised by a royal protection officer

00:12:48 not to speak publicly about the allegations, according to a source familiar with the situation.

00:12:53 Even as she was assured, she says, they were being investigated.

00:12:59 So there she goes again.

00:13:00 She was advised not to speak publicly about the allegations and was assured they were being investigated. 0.98

00:13:06 How does she think this is going to work on anyone other than the dumbest consumer? 0.72

00:13:13 Nobody thinks an investigation of any kind takes eight years to resolve. 0.94

00:13:19 Either they investigated and moved on or they investigated and decided he was not guilty.

00:13:26 But there's no way they were investigating for eight years, which she would know. 0.99

00:13:31 She's not a total idiot. 1.00

00:13:32 She went to Northwestern. 1.00

00:13:33 She's got to have at least two nickels to rub together in between those years.

00:13:36 So this is more lies.

00:13:39 Absolutely.

00:13:39 I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

00:13:42 Interestingly enough, the Met Police cannot identify said officer.

00:13:47 Yeah.

00:13:48 Where'd he go?

00:13:49 He's somewhere with Stevan Graham buried in a fresh pile of dirt.

00:13:52 Where's that guy?

00:13:53 Stevan!

00:13:55 Where is that guy?

00:13:56 Secondly, when has Meghan Markle ever done what she is told?

00:14:00 Yeah. 0.84

00:14:01 She wouldn't listen to the royal family. 1.00

00:14:02 She wouldn't listen to the queen.

00:14:04 She has never done what she is told. 0.98

00:14:06 She is a renegade, a champion for women and children. 0.67

00:14:09 That's right. 1.00

00:14:09 Yet she stood by and allowed a man. 0.79

00:14:12 The implication is this was a man, right? 0.99

00:14:14 I agree. 0.76

00:14:15 To silence her?

00:14:16 What?

00:14:17 Yeah.

00:14:17 When children are being molested?

00:14:19 Get out. It's not like the stakes were high or anything like that. No, not at all. The only the

00:14:23 only two she protected lived in her Montecito mansion. She did not give a shit about the other 0.99

00:14:28 children in the Philippines, in Mexico or right back here in America. We don't know that his 0.98

00:14:33 nonsense started or stopped when he returned stateside. I mean, granted, he's missing a leg 0.95

00:14:39 now, but he's been living in America for the past year. So like, what did she do to protect anyone 0.82

00:14:45 other than Archie and Lilibet.

00:14:47 That's the thing.

00:14:48 She's done nothing.

00:14:49 Now, the question is, what does she do next? 0.69

00:14:51 Because she is not capable of even comporting herself

00:14:56 with the dignity and solemnity that these charges deserve, right?

00:15:02 So-

00:15:02 Stay out of the public eye would be number one.

00:15:04 Number one.

00:15:05 Number two, don't hijack an event for children who have suicided

00:15:08 over online bullying.

00:15:10 Allow the parents of those children their moment.

00:15:14 This circus is all anybody's talking about.

00:15:17 I don't understand why these organizations, be they private or public funded, just don't tell them no.

00:15:26 It's a no.

00:15:26 It's a no. 1.00

00:15:27 If you show up, we will not let you in.

00:15:30 There's absolutely no net plus to having these two associated with anything, anyone, any organization.

00:15:37 We'll mock you.

00:15:38 We'll mock you.

00:15:39 If you invite them to speak at your Let's Protect Children, especially online event, these two in the wake of these allegations, we're going to mock you, which is what we did.

00:15:48 And I'm sure you guys did because they this event is about online predators who will engage in like giving getting your kid to send like a naked photo of himself.

00:16:02 and then they get bullied to death or a chat GPT that can like, you know, potentially bully your

00:16:07 child into devastating events. There have been lawsuits against many of these companies alleging

00:16:13 that kind of thing. How how is using the Internet to buy and download naked pictures of fucking 0.99

00:16:20 toddlers like any better? It's not the exact cup of tea, but it is the online exploitation and 0.99

00:16:27 abuse of children. So it's basically the same thing, which is one of the main things. That's

00:16:32 the, that is the one charge that he's facing right now in Florida or in California. I can't

00:16:37 remember Florida. So the charges are in California. Um, and yet the allegations seem to include

00:16:43 actual molestation of children as well. It's the same thing as my point. That's what they're

00:16:47 having. One's analog, one's digital. Yes. Same thing. Yes. So like, where is the sensitivity

00:16:52 of these event organizers? They ought to be held to task. They really should. They, I would be

00:16:57 furious if I was one of those parents.

00:16:59 I'd be inflamed. Are you

00:17:01 kidding me? This stink

00:17:03 of a circus is coming to town?

00:17:06 Like, the memory of

00:17:07 my child is now

00:17:08 completely erased by these two

00:17:11 and their need for... You know, there's this image 1.00

00:17:13 going around of Megan this

00:17:15 morning on social media. She does

00:17:17 this thing when she spies a camera.

00:17:19 She was standing in between... First of all, 0.99

00:17:21 she and Harry walked in like the cowards they are 0.99

00:17:23 on a red carpet. 1.00

00:17:25 This is a red carpet event for them.

00:17:27 This is what this is.

00:17:28 They walked in surrounded on either side by a handler

00:17:31 so that they were insulated by the media

00:17:34 who were invited to cover this.

00:17:36 There it is, yes.

00:17:37 So don't dare ask them a pertinent question 0.99

00:17:41 such as what the fuck are you two doing here? 0.99

00:17:43 How dare you show your faces? 0.99

00:17:45 And by the way, she absolutely did not have to be here

00:17:48 in this photo shot or on camera with Harry at all.

00:17:51 She could have entered through the side.

00:17:53 She could have not shown her face. 0.88

00:17:55 She could have been backstage.

00:17:56 She didn't have to walk the red carpet at all.

00:17:58 You and I have both been at many of these events.

00:18:00 If you don't want to walk the red carpet, you don't have to.

00:18:04 She wanted her photo op.

00:18:06 It's all, it's all, I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. DeMille.

00:18:10 Now, children may have been harmed in the making of this motion picture.

00:18:13 However, I am ready for my closeup. 0.98

00:18:15 Look at what she's wearing, right? 1.00

00:18:17 This theatrical, covered up, neck down, all black. 0.59

00:18:21 He's got his Remembrance Day poppy on.

00:18:23 She's cosplaying as Catherine,

00:18:25 Princess of Wales over the weekend,

00:18:27 who was dressed the same way.

00:18:29 The devastation on the face.

00:18:31 Look at the quiet devastation.

00:18:33 Yep.

00:18:33 And by the way, that's like what's on the cover

00:18:36 of People Magazine,

00:18:36 which I guarantee you she worked with as well.

00:18:39 Look at this.

00:18:39 I'm just going to hit my angle just perfectly.

00:18:42 And the thing with the hand on the face

00:18:43 is in a few of these shots, 0.99

00:18:45 there's like one of her just looking straight on.

00:18:48 She always can find that lens, Maureen. 0.90

00:18:50 she knows how to work those cameras. She's like, let's make sure the pictures are good, okay?

00:18:55 First and foremost, the pictures must be good. It's just like the pander is a bit much. And that,

00:19:02 oh yeah, to correct myself, the coat she wore was $695. So people can go and buy that if they want. 0.66

00:19:10 In fact, what's happening online is people are commenting, this is horrific. How are you pimping

00:19:14 your $700 code with the allegations around your father that you knew about and were complicit

00:19:20 on keeping quiet of. 1.00

00:19:22 And then there's this, the Oprah endorsement of her stupid, is it a, they said they were 1.00

00:19:32 calling it a laundry basket, but online it's dubbed a small wicker basket. 0.99

00:19:37 And for the low, low price of $535, look at this thing, you can get a card set, a leather notebook, coasters, two candles, and a match box, like matches.

00:19:56 Two candles, matches, coasters, a leather notebook, and a card set for $535. 0.94

00:20:05 That's what Oprah is choosing to push on us.

00:20:09 By the way, you could also get 0.99

00:20:11 one of Meghan's chocolate advent calendars for $148.

00:20:17 I can get a beautiful one of really good chocolate

00:20:19 at the CVS for like 25.

00:20:22 You can, you can.

00:20:24 I wonder what Meghan's got on Oprah.

00:20:27 I really do.

00:20:28 Why?

00:20:28 Why does Oprah feel that this is something

00:20:30 she needs to endorse?

00:20:31 I think Meghan probably did approach her 0.99

00:20:34 about maybe doing another sit down.

00:20:36 Oh, this was the consolation prize, perhaps.

00:20:38 And this, I think, was the consolation prize.

00:20:40 I can't reputationally do that, Megan. 1.00

00:20:42 You really screwed the pooch last time. 1.00

00:20:45 You really fucked me over on that last time. 1.00

00:20:47 I can't do it. 1.00

00:20:48 Do you know something maybe that I would rather not?

00:20:52 I don't know.

00:20:52 It makes no sense.

00:20:53 Nobody wants to sit down and talk with her.

00:20:55 You would think this would be the biggest interview of the year

00:20:57 because we know what's coming next.

00:20:58 And I'm just going to be sacrilegious and say it.

00:21:00 She's going to say she was a victim of abuse.

00:21:02 None of us are going to buy it.

00:21:04 And even if she's convincing in some way, none of us will feel sorry for her because 0.91

00:21:08 she is this despicable.

00:21:10 If she, a real victim, a real victim would be so, would have their PTSD so stoked up

00:21:17 by all of this becoming public and be so panicked that their own experience as a child was going

00:21:23 to be pushed out before they were ready.

00:21:25 That's what a real victim, I think, would comport themselves as.

00:21:29 They wouldn't be like looking for the nearest camera at that Brussels event.

00:21:33 There's a moment where nobody's talking to her.

00:21:35 Harry is talking to some functionary there,

00:21:38 and she's looking around,

00:21:39 and she just starts talking to herself

00:21:40 to make it look as though she's involved in a conversation,

00:21:43 like she's out of her mind. 0.99

00:21:44 She's not insane, but she's...

00:21:47 Oh, my other theory about this whole thing of like,

00:21:49 I am a purveyor of and a tastemaker.

00:21:53 I curate.

00:21:54 I am classy.

00:21:55 You want to be like me, right?

00:21:58 It's all projection.

00:21:59 It's all major overcompensation.

00:22:02 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:22:02 She comes from this trashy, trashy, trashy family. 1.00

00:22:06 Big time. 1.00

00:22:07 It now makes sense to me why she sat with Oprah 1.00

00:22:09 and was slinging mud at the royals

00:22:11 who had done nothing but try to welcome her.

00:22:13 I think it was like massive projection.

00:22:15 Yes, yes.

00:22:15 If you're going to find out about my family sooner or later,

00:22:18 you are.

00:22:18 So I'm going to get ahead of this and look over here.

00:22:21 Yeah, they're the despicable ones.

00:22:23 Exactly, exactly.

00:22:24 Well, I won't repeat it

00:22:26 because I can't remember exactly what he's been saying,

00:22:28 but Tom Bauer, who's a great royal biographer

00:22:30 and literally wrote the book on her,

00:22:32 has revealed a lot about her mother, Doria,

00:22:34 none of which is flattering, none of which.

00:22:37 And like some really shocking allegations.

00:22:40 And so that's the mother.

00:22:42 And then obviously the mother wouldn't be 1.00

00:22:44 this perfect picture of mental health 1.00

00:22:45 and like, you know, goodness

00:22:47 in the way that Meghan would have her portrayed 0.91

00:22:49 and have been married to that man for 10 years.

00:22:52 I'm sorry, but like people attract for a reason. 0.97

00:22:55 I'm not saying like every woman

00:22:57 who's married to a bad man is also bad,

00:22:59 but 10 years is a long time. 0.52

00:23:00 And Doria had her own long list of problems, which is why Megan's also trying to make sure in this People magazine article, I believe it's Megan.

00:23:08 Oh, Doria's cooperating. 0.79

00:23:09 She's cooperating.

00:23:10 OK, so what are the odds that the first wife, Rosalind Loveless, knew, but Doria had no idea?

00:23:19 She didn't know it all.

00:23:20 Like, I want more questions asked of her.

00:23:23 What did she know and when did she know it?

00:23:25 And was Megan really informed about all this by the Loveless letter?

00:23:30 or by her own mom at some point.

00:23:33 Because I just find it very tough to believe 0.96

00:23:35 you could be married to a child molester

00:23:38 for 10 years, alleged he denies it, 0.99

00:23:41 or a child porn connoisseur

00:23:44 and not have any inkling. 0.79

00:23:47 And this stuff was clearly important to him, Maureen,

00:23:49 if there's anything true about these allegations,

00:23:51 because he had like a warehouse of it

00:23:54 in the Philippines, in Rosarito, Mexico,

00:23:57 and in LA, where according to The Sun,

00:24:00 in LA, he wouldn't let anybody get into those storage facilities, but he held onto them and

00:24:06 he kept paying the bill. Right. That stuff was important to him. He knew he was going to go

00:24:10 back to it at some point. Agreed. Now, is it possible that he was smart enough to keep all

00:24:16 of that material off site, out of the house? Yes. That's very possible, right? You know,

00:24:23 there are often, there are women who, you know, we saw this most recently with the Gilgo Beach

00:24:27 serial killer. They have no idea. They really don't. But I just think that's a different thing.

00:24:33 I actually think I have an easier time believing you could be married to a serial killer and not 0.82

00:24:39 know than married to a child sexual predator and not know. Because this guy, it seems like he was 0.80

00:24:47 downloading hordes of pictures of prepubescent children. And how could you live with such a

00:24:55 person for 10 years and not. No, you share the same computers. Every wife looks at her husband's

00:25:00 phone. I mean, we all look at each other's timeline of when they divorced. I'm not clear

00:25:04 on where technology was when they divorced, you know, is it cruder than, right? Like when we all

00:25:10 had flip phones and nobody was texting. That could be. The other thing that, um, now looking

00:25:17 at things through the lens of what we do know, I recently saw, I think it was on the daily mail,

00:25:22 the wedding photo of Thomas

00:25:24 and Doria. And Doria looks like

00:25:26 she's like 12 years old. 0.99

00:25:28 She's like 23, but she

00:25:30 presents like a child in much

00:25:32 the same way Thomas Markle Jr.'s girlfriend

00:25:34 in the Philippines presents

00:25:36 like a child, even though she's of age. 0.99

00:25:38 Yeah, but she does. I thought she was 0.99

00:25:40 a child when I first saw the pictures.

00:25:42 To this moment, I don't know whether she's

00:25:44 like a short adult 1.00

00:25:46 or a tall midget. 0.61

00:25:48 But it's that

00:25:50 But it's that loophole that sexual predators can use where if they're really attracted to prepubescence, if they find one that presents like a child but is of age.

00:26:04 That's a jackpot because they're legal, but they remind you of the illicit thing that you actually want.

00:26:12 It's just so sick.

00:26:13 And it really is amazing if you think about, you know, here's the picture.

00:26:17 Look at that.

00:26:18 It's just very strange.

00:26:20 very strange. Though the Philippine police who had originally, well, not originally,

00:26:24 but like midway through this controversy said, we also suspect Thomas Markle Jr. came out and

00:26:28 said, we apologize to him. We're wrong about that. That he, and I think this girlfriend or

00:26:33 certainly his girlfriend have been hosting a bunch of children at their house and flashes

00:26:38 have been going off and so on. But the Philippine police say that they spoke with the girlfriend

00:26:43 and those were her younger siblings, I think they said. And she was doing like Facebook,

00:26:48 social media. I don't know, Maureen, the whole thing, the whole family seems extremely sketchy.

00:26:55 What grown adults are hosting children, girls, minor girls who they are not related to

00:27:01 into their home? Well, it might be her relatives. I don't, I can't remember what they said in the

00:27:05 clarification. I did read it the other day, but I think it might, might be her siblings. My team

00:27:09 is going to look it up, but still the whole, like they all seem sketchy. I mean, and I have a hard

00:27:14 time believing that the son knew nothing about this and only when he had the falling out with

00:27:18 the with senior did he suddenly stumble upon the cache of of photos to reveal it all like i don't

00:27:26 know what and the daughter samantha who's like standing by him that's sketchy as hell too like

00:27:32 what does she know there's well he also cut his ankle monitor off i he got it off at like 1 45

00:27:40 5 a.m.

00:27:41 After, like, getting the gift of getting ROR on this charge.

00:27:45 Which was totally compassionate, right? 0.95

00:27:47 Because you're the worst of the—your society's worst, unless you're a family annihilator. 0.97

00:27:52 Yes. 0.98

00:27:52 And they let him go home.

00:27:53 Yes, and they learned the hard way not to do that.

00:27:56 Rose told cops her younger siblings, aged 11, 14, 16, and 17, are regular visitors to her and Markle Jr. at the property, as well as a young three-year-old niece.

00:28:05 Rose also told officers she often uses a ring light inside the house to film her own social media content and handed them at least 10 videos of her siblings dancing at the house.

00:28:16 It's a little weird.

00:28:18 It's just, it is a little weird.

00:28:19 I don't, I don't know.

00:28:22 It's, hmm.

00:28:25 Yeah.

00:28:25 If you discover that your American boyfriend's father, who is the father of one of the most famous women in the world, has been arrested for possession of child sexual abuse material on two continents in three countries, maybe I would not have my young female relatives coming over anymore.

00:28:46 Maybe I would be moving out.

00:28:48 Yeah.

00:28:48 I understand it's rough in the Philippines.

00:28:50 I do.

00:28:51 but it's so the whole thing is so creepy and it's can you imagine like can i just say

00:28:58 where was the vetting by the royal family you know like didn't anybody take a little bit of

00:29:06 a deep dive because i would i would think you know like i know some blue blood families in

00:29:12 philadelphia that would investigate a potential bride more than the royal family seems to have 1.00

00:29:16 done of Meghan Markle. And these, I mean, the whole family is, you know, they're definitely

00:29:23 not exactly royal, let's say that. And on top of that, this scandal was known by the first wife.

00:29:33 Like, if you were really going to vet your son's future wife, that would be the perfect person to 0.98

00:29:40 go. The first thing you do is start talking to people's exes. This is another reason why I want 0.95

00:29:45 to know what doria knew how did the first wife know everything but the second wife didn't know

00:29:49 anything and they were married for 10 years yeah i'm not trying to accuse doria of being complicit

00:29:54 but i do have serious questions for her i really do i know like the headline thanks to megan is

00:29:59 she's a cooperating she's cooperating okay you know who really cooperated rosalyn loveless who

00:30:04 actually wrote a letter to you and to the police and said hey everybody should know this guy is

00:30:11 this thing 10 years ago, almost. And your mom, Megan, and you seem to have kept your mouths

00:30:19 shut to protect your brand. You didn't want anything fucking up the wedding.

00:30:24 That's exactly right. Megan had to get over that finish line. It was like a race against time. 1.00

00:30:30 Yeah. She had to lock that down.

00:30:32 Get a kid, pop out a kid, or at least get a kid.

00:30:41 And then, you know, then then with the passage of time and, you know, we're in the firmament now and, you know, it's harder to get rid of her than to keep her and all of that.

00:30:50 You know, you break a few eggs, Megan, I guess.

00:30:52 Wow.

00:30:52 Break a few eggs.

00:30:53 Good luck with that, Harry. 1.00

00:30:54 I mean, I don't know who's more mentally unwell, but I will say some of this does explain how diabolical she is. 0.56

00:31:02 You know, she she has a very troubled background, far more troubled than we knew.

00:31:07 And to suggest that didn't rub off on her,

00:31:11 I don't, you never hear the story

00:31:13 about the child molester

00:31:14 who was really all totally together

00:31:16 and like a really great person with no dysfunction.

00:31:20 So that's what she grew up with.

00:31:22 I mean, even in the People Magazine article,

00:31:24 the friend, the source close to her is saying,

00:31:26 this is her dad, someone she grew up trusting

00:31:28 and was very close to for many years.

00:31:30 She described herself as a daddy's girl.

00:31:32 I mean, the number of hours that she spent

00:31:34 with this very deranged person,

00:31:36 If one word of these allegations are true, it just explains a lot about how she got to be this very disturbed woman who people like you and like me, Dan Wooten, many others peers have been for like years now saying there's something seriously wrong with this person.

00:31:57 I would trust us like this behavior is nefarious. She looks very pretty and pulled together,

00:32:04 but it is masking something very dark. And I just feel like now we're starting to get the

00:32:10 explanation. She grew up around utter darkness. Those were her influences. They cause something

00:32:15 inside of her that is manifesting in her behavior daily. I do think she's a psychopath. I do. I 0.99

00:32:22 don't think she really cares about those other children. Hey, she got she commissioned a people 0.57

00:32:26 magazine cover, Summon Substance, right? If you want to really get the public on your side,

00:32:34 now is the time to throw yourself on the mercy of the crowd and say, this is on me.

00:32:42 Yes.

00:32:42 This is on me. Why didn't I do something? I will never forgive myself. Is there an iota

00:32:48 of that sentiment anywhere? No.

00:32:50 No. It's all about Megan and how this affects Megan, but also by her hamper

00:32:54 and her morning coat.

00:32:58 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:33:00 That's why it's like,

00:33:01 if you pay any attention to this person,

00:33:03 like we do, you're like,

00:33:05 what's happening?

00:33:07 Why is, am I a crazy one?

00:33:09 Because everything she does 1.00

00:33:11 is so patently self-serving 0.98

00:33:14 and dishonest 0.99

00:33:15 and self-aggrandizing

00:33:17 and inappropriate

00:33:18 like the Uvalde photo op.

00:33:21 Another situation where 0.98

00:33:23 she didn't seem to give a shit about the pain of the children and those mourning the deceased 0.99

00:33:29 children. She just wanted to make sure her face was in the papers. And she's having that same 0.98

00:33:35 moment over and over, Maureen. So the Uvalde thing is just, I thought she would never be able to come 0.98

00:33:40 back from that. The slaughter of small school children in a mass school shooting. So this is

00:33:47 And this is very interesting because she flies herself to Uvalde unbidden, unasked for.

00:33:53 Nobody was asking for her.

00:33:55 No one.

00:33:55 She was in the middle of shooting her With Love Megan series for Netflix.

00:33:59 So she took a bunch of those cameras and that crew and flew herself down there and got herself

00:34:03 photographed laying flowers. 0.98

00:34:05 And then she went to go give out sandwiches or whatever.

00:34:07 And people were like, why is she here?

00:34:09 Like, she had no connection to Uvalde, no connection to Texas.

00:34:12 Nobody wanted her there. 0.85

00:34:13 Okay, so she can fly herself over there with a Netflix camera crew for the sake of small slaughtered children, but she can't fly herself back from the U.K. to the U.S. to speak to the FBI for children who have, like, psychologically, sexually been slaughtered.

00:34:28 She can't do that.

00:34:29 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:29 Why?

00:34:30 Yeah.

00:34:31 One doesn't track with the other. 0.89

00:34:32 And she does have a home in the United States. 0.93

00:34:35 She has a mansion in Montecito.

00:34:37 I'm sure her garden needs tending. 0.99

00:34:39 She could do two birds. 0.98

00:34:40 Yes. Yeah, I don't know why other than it's a power move and she wanted here.

00:34:46 Here she is at Uvalde. This is so despicable.

00:34:48 There is a reason she is on camera scene putting flowers down.

00:34:53 And that reason is she wanted you to see it.

00:34:56 That's the reason. Look at this.

00:34:57 This is truly until this incident, the most despicable, most despicable thing she's done. 0.61

00:35:04 This was an outrage. Everyone saw right through it.

00:35:06 She's so stupid. She didn't think we were going to be able to see through it. 1.00

00:35:10 And that's the same thing with the ridiculous admission she made three weeks ago today, where she was so excited to say, see, there's a reason I didn't see my dad for all these years, that she was too dumb to anticipate the backlash to her admitting she's known. 0.95

00:35:27 Unlike the rest of us, she's known for eight years. 0.90

00:35:31 I think there was also something in her that was like, you know how they test kids to see which kids are going to be really successful later in life?

00:35:40 it's that test. It's that short-term, long-term gratification. They'll put kids in a room and

00:35:45 they'll be like, okay, here's a piece of chocolate. And you can have it now if you want,

00:35:48 but if you wait 10 minutes, I'll give you three. And the kids who can wait the 10 minutes,

00:35:53 there was a part of Megan, I think that was like, okay, I have enough bandwidth to play a little

00:36:00 bit of a long game and this will come out someday. It will. But that's what I'm going to say to the

00:36:05 world. See, you were mean to me. You had no idea what I was carrying. Lo, these many years. And

00:36:11 instead we're like, why didn't you open your mouth? Right. It was, it was incredible. Here

00:36:15 she is on the cover of people with, she's devastated. I mean, she completely orchestrated

00:36:21 this entire thing and people magazine, what a trashy rag that is. I would believe what I read

00:36:29 in radar online before I believe what I read in people magazine, they have surrendered to their

00:36:35 worst. It's beyond tabloid. It's just stenographers for whatever celebrity wants to give them any sort

00:36:42 of spin on his or her story. That's it. No testing of it. No semblance of journalistic integrity.

00:36:48 It's really, it is trash. It's trash. I mean, those are the two biggest celebrities they've 1.00

00:36:54 got aligned to period. They're on the cover every other week. You know, People Magazine

00:36:58 about a week or so ago fired 195 staffers. Oh, I can see why. Yeah. And like, this is why

00:37:04 they're circling the drain. This is exactly why. It's like five minutes away from being produced by

00:37:09 AI and Meghan Markle. Yes, that's very true. Now, okay, I want to keep going because there's more 0.60

00:37:13 to discuss today. I want to get to Amy Griffin in one second, but before we do, let's make a

00:37:19 sojourn over to Dakota Johnson. Okay. Dakota Johnson. So I didn't know anything about what

00:37:27 is going on in Dakota Johnson's life, nor do I particularly care, but I did see these pictures

00:37:33 of her online walking from the gym and the headline was like caught caught on tape or you

00:37:42 know spotted leaving the gym after a workout session in Los Angeles okay there is zero chance

00:37:50 that Dakota Johnson did not orchestrate this entire thing would you look at what she's wearing 0.99

00:37:56 Maureen. Okay, for the listening audience, it's basically like a purple, purplish mauve

00:38:03 bathing suit with matching sheer tights underneath it. I mean, it's channeling my aerobics days back

00:38:12 in the 80s. I'm not going to lie. This is kind of what we would do. And the little crop top and the

00:38:18 hair piled just perfectly on top of her head as she's just, and the perfect sunglasses, merrily

00:38:25 walking along looking at her iPhone. This is what she told Vogue recently. I am obsessed with people

00:38:33 not knowing where I am or what I'm doing. I'm far too porous and sensitive and present. I don't,

00:38:40 I can't deal. So Dakota doesn't want anybody to know where she is or what she's doing, except

00:38:48 if it's a perfectly curated shot on her way home from the gym. Obviously, this woman is looking 1.00

00:38:54 for a little attention and i have to say unlike our dear friend j-lo won't just own it you know

00:39:00 what i mean like yeah j-lo's like everyone should wait i'm coming out for my for my paparazzi shot 0.95

00:39:06 clear the decks here i come i will be leading with my ass this one wants us to believe she 0.99

00:39:12 she really just wants privacy maureen she doesn't actually want to be caught on camera 0.98

00:39:17 you know it's so funny because she i believe she has been leaking to the daily mail all about the 0.97

00:39:22 hot sex she's having with Machine Gun Kelly. 0.93

00:39:25 Yes, because she broke up with Chris Martin 0.99

00:39:27 or he broke up with her.

00:39:28 Yes, and so now suddenly it's rebound-a-rama.

00:39:31 Yeah, and so

00:39:31 we're getting unwanted details

00:39:35 about that. Again, like

00:39:36 this is in lieu of the

00:39:38 career that I believe she had set

00:39:40 out with

00:39:41 intentions for herself. I think she thought she was going to be

00:39:44 like her ex-boyfriend's

00:39:47 ex-wife, Gwyneth Paltrow. I think she thought

00:39:48 she was going to become a really big star.

00:39:50 hasn't happened.

00:39:51 Remember, she took that role in Fifty Shades of Grey

00:39:54 because no other actress in Hollywood would take it. 0.77

00:39:57 That's right.

00:39:58 And Charlie Hunnam dropped out of it.

00:40:00 He was like, I'm not doing this.

00:40:02 This is an S&M movie.

00:40:03 That's it.

00:40:03 That's true.

00:40:04 That's when Jamie Dornan stepped in.

00:40:05 But it was nice to be introduced to him.

00:40:08 Oh, Jamie Dornan?

00:40:09 Yeah.

00:40:09 He's great.

00:40:10 Yes.

00:40:10 I have to say, I don't think anybody was missing the other guy.

00:40:14 Yeah, no, I love Charlie Hunnam too.

00:40:16 But no, he was great.

00:40:16 He's great in The Fall too.

00:40:17 Have you seen The Fall?

00:40:18 No.

00:40:19 Oh, you would like it?

00:40:19 Somebody was just telling me about this.

00:40:21 Yeah, he plays a serial killer and Gillian Anderson is the-

00:40:24 Oh, no, I did see the fall.

00:40:25 I did see the fall.

00:40:26 Yes, I did.

00:40:26 What's that, Deb?

00:40:27 She's what?

00:40:28 What's going on here?

00:40:30 Oh.

00:40:31 Where is this?

00:40:32 Look at this. 0.80

00:40:32 It's all about her underwear.

00:40:35 I think we're doing red carpets wrong, Maureen.

00:40:37 I guess we need to be showing more snatch.

00:40:41 That's never been my goal, but maybe this is our new inspo.

00:40:47 But listen to her.

00:40:48 OK, so she hold on a second. This is Sot9. This is a Vogue photographer in connection, I assume, with the same interview where she says she really just doesn't want to be seen. 0.95

00:40:58 She doesn't want anybody to know what she's doing. And the Vogue photographer asks her what she would be if she were not an actress. Sot9.

00:41:08 Dakota, if you weren't an actor, what do you think you'd be?

00:41:11 happier

00:41:14 um just kidding a therapist or a florist what's the hardest part of your job that people don't

00:41:23 know about the internal torture the discipline that it takes but i don't i just don't feel like

00:41:33 i can say my i'm so lucky to have this job the hours suck what what is going on there

00:41:41 If you were not an actress, what would you be happier?

00:41:45 Well, let me take out my little violin for you.

00:41:47 You have it so rough.

00:41:48 The child of Don Johnson and Melanie Griffin.

00:41:52 Griffin or Griffith?

00:41:53 Griffith.

00:41:55 Granddaughter of Tippi Hedren, the muse for Alfred Hitchcock. 1.00

00:42:01 Oh, poor girl. 0.97

00:42:03 She's a movie star dating all these other movie stars and singers. 0.97

00:42:06 Not for nothing.

00:42:07 recently there have been side-by-sides

00:42:10 befores and afters going around

00:42:11 of Dakota Johnson. She also had

00:42:14 a fair amount of plastic surgery to get 1.00

00:42:16 that face to be a movie star. So this is like my

00:42:18 favorite thing when people like

00:42:20 work that hard to get

00:42:22 into a position that maybe their talents

00:42:24 alone would not have gotten them to 1.00

00:42:25 and then they complain and they bitch and moan 1.00

00:42:28 about it. She's talking about it. I'm thinking about 1.00

00:42:30 the famous Laurence Olivier

00:42:32 quote to like a young actor

00:42:34 coming up. It was like a Dustin Hoffman or something

00:42:36 It was like so method and, you know, and, and Laurence Olivier turned to him and said, it's called acting, dear boy, just act.

00:42:43 That's it. 0.99

00:42:43 The stories about him are legendary that like, he was not afraid of cutting a bitch. 0.99

00:42:49 No, no, no, no, no. 0.99

00:42:50 Male or female, like he would put you in your place.

00:42:52 He was Sir Laurence Olivier.

00:42:55 Yes.

00:42:55 Oh, I find this very disingenuous and I find the following clip, which you're going to enjoy you in particular with your fashion sense, your knowledge of Vogue and all the players around it.

00:43:06 I think you'll react the way I did.

00:43:08 Watch this.

00:43:08 This is Dakota Johnson in her October interview for Vogue,

00:43:13 where she said she doesn't want attention to Vogue

00:43:16 in her spread for Vogue.

00:43:19 And listen to what she had to say

00:43:21 when being interviewed by the person

00:43:24 who took over for Anna Wintour.

00:43:28 Watch.

00:43:29 Are you going to the Valentina show in Paris?

00:43:32 I'm not.

00:43:32 I can't go because I'm hosting SNL.

00:43:35 Oh, my God. Right. Which is right around your birthday. It is literally my birthday.

00:43:39 This will be your second time hosting or third? Third.

00:43:42 Over halfway to the five timer club. I'm on my way.

00:43:44 That's very exciting. Fingers crossed.

00:43:46 My mother's like one of the only five timers who is always available. 0.99

00:43:50 And they're always bringing her in. Yeah.

00:43:53 But they're very protective of those jackets. Yes.

00:43:56 I know. I cannot leave the studio. I know. It's really sad.

00:44:00 Yeah. Wait. Who is your mom? Candice Bergen.

00:44:03 what the fuck we've talked we talked about this because i have spent a funeral with your mother 0.99

00:44:08 recently yeah and you guys had like the best time yeah we had a really good time together 0.99

00:44:13 oh my god she was wearing like great black gloves and yes wait we did talk about this yeah okay that 0.99

00:44:20 all makes sense but she is the most mom she's also wearing um dakota a tank top so pointedly she can 1.00

00:44:29 at some point put her arms up so we can all see the tattoo that she's got on her under bicep 1.00

00:44:34 just very casually stretching while she's exactly hands on top of the head and then like the fake 0.98

00:44:39 npr voice like i can't go to the valentino show because you know i'm hosting snl five

00:44:46 i'm on my way i'm on my way look at it there it is with the tat uh-huh exactly right casually

00:44:53 flashing oh is there a camera on me oh i didn't know oh are you the daughter of candace bergen

00:44:58 And, oh, who knew?

00:44:59 I don't know anything about Anna Wintour's successor, Chloe Moll.

00:45:04 No, I mean, when my office, my publicist called me to book this appointment with you,

00:45:09 I didn't even know who you were.

00:45:10 Right.

00:45:11 I didn't even know where I was going.

00:45:12 No, no, exactly.

00:45:13 Am I a Vogue?

00:45:13 Am I a Popular Mechanics?

00:45:14 Where am I?

00:45:16 Modern Tire Dealer?

00:45:20 These people, she'd think she'd be a better actor, honestly. 0.78

00:45:24 I would have expected more given the lineage.

00:45:26 Now, my team told me that we have to play this soundbite because, quote, Maureen loves it.

00:45:32 I haven't seen it, but it's Dakota Johnson, your favorite Jon Hamm, and Kaylee Spaney in an interview for Bad Times at the El Royale from 2018.

00:45:44 Let's watch SOT 11.

00:45:46 When did you realize, oh, this is something special and what are you going to take with you from the experience of working with each other?

00:45:51 What do you think?

00:45:52 um i'm gonna take her whole being with me from this experience i don't see my life without

00:46:02 so will you marry me wait oh my god this is happening

00:46:09 yeah what was that well that that thought goes on where dakota then begins looping her fingers 1.00

00:46:17 kaylee's wearing these larger hoop earrings like your size and she begins looping her fingers 1.00

00:46:22 into the earrings and like like noodling her with her fingers like her neck yeah and kind of like

00:46:28 pulling her it's all very sexual and at that point john ham does intervene and he says stop it

00:46:33 to dakota it's like stop and because keely is when you've gone too far for john ham who's who set a

00:46:41 frat pledge on fire and visited put put him in the hospital almost killed him yeah when you've 0.98

00:46:45 gone too far for john ham then you're really fucked up yeah she's she's i think she's a product 0.99

00:46:50 of Hollywood. I think clearly she was interfered 0.99

00:46:52 with at some point, just my opinion.

00:46:55 She thinks that that's, she's doing that on

00:46:56 camera, in a publicity, 1.00

00:46:58 she's doing publicity for a shitty movie 0.88

00:47:00 nobody saw, but like, she's on camera. How old was that 0.96

00:47:02 girl next to her? On theme.

00:47:05 Adult presents as a child.

00:47:07 Oh, yes.

00:47:08 My team's saying she's 20, but she looked 14.

00:47:11 She looks 12 to 14, yeah.

00:47:12 That's very weird. I mean, look, the odds

00:47:14 of turning out well with

00:47:16 two successful Hollywood

00:47:18 actor parents

00:47:20 are slim they're slim and it doesn't seem like she's beaten them no and you know tippy hendron

00:47:26 her grandmother she was tortured psychologically by alfred hitchcock you know when she did the

00:47:31 birds he he really because she would not have an affair with him so he he tortured her with live

00:47:36 birds yes that movie we watched that within the past two years as a family yeah well a couple of

00:47:43 my kids are into like yarley doesn't like my boys like certain horror movies so we're like let's

00:47:48 watch that one you know i've seen it when i was a kid it is disturbing and she does look like she's

00:47:54 getting genuinely attacked by the birds when she goes into that um at the very end she goes into

00:47:58 that like attic apartment whatever it is and it's it's pretty brutal and i remember googling it and 0.64

00:48:04 they did say that she was actually attacked yeah that was his revenge hitchcocks whoa yeah so i

00:48:10 mean that and then and then hendron wound up becoming this this i shouldn't say insane i think 0.54

00:48:15 she was well-meaning but like this insane animal conservationist to the point where she would have 0.99

00:48:20 like lions in her backyard oh wow she lived with like wild animals so melanie griffith grew up

00:48:26 thinking like oh i've got a mate i've got a lion in the backyard and like wild predators in the

00:48:32 backyard another wild predator don johnson comes in melanie griffith was 15 and he was like 22

00:48:39 Really? Yeah. It's like an Elvis and Priscilla thing. Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. Yeah. You know, it's like all these stories, the backstory, the family backstory winds up explaining the thing that we, that catches our attention to begin with. And then you dig just a little and things start to become a little bit more obvious.

00:49:00 excuse me um i just feel like there's there's gonna be more about dakota meyer i don't think

00:49:06 it's going well and i don't think that machine gun kelly is the answer to dakota not dakota meyer

00:49:11 he's a medal of honor winner dakota johnson sorry dakota we love you i think dakota johnson

00:49:21 was not set up for success and there's a and there's a reason that she's dating like machine

00:49:25 Gun Kelly coming off of the, you know, Megan Fox. Right. Yeah. By the way, if she got married to 1.00

00:49:33 him, she'd be Megan Kelly, which is interesting. But anyway, they broke up. That's right. They

00:49:38 broke up. Megan Gun Kelly. I like that. Yeah. I was thinking about that one for myself. Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:49:45 It wasn't. Didn't Machine Gun Kelly get the entire torso tattooed in black ink? Oh, yes.

00:49:53 Every stitch of skin on his entire torso.

00:49:57 Can you imagine the toxins that are sinking into your system from that?

00:50:03 No.

00:50:04 I don't even want to do one of those.

00:50:06 You ever have to have an MRI with dye?

00:50:09 I just had one the other day.

00:50:10 Yeah, that freaks me out.

00:50:12 How am I going to get the dye out of me?

00:50:14 Never mind if you got the whole body inked in black ink all over you.

00:50:19 I don't know.

00:50:19 Whatever.

00:50:20 These people, they're not living normal lives.

00:50:22 They're not.

00:50:22 All right. There's much more to do. Maureen and I have to talk about the ladies on the Amy Griffin

00:50:26 update, which we will do. It's Melanie Griffith and Amy Griffin. It's hard to keep up. And we're

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00:52:20 license. We are back now with the one and only Maureen Callahan. She's the host of The Nerve

00:52:29 with Maureen Callahan, which is celebrating its 200th episode today. Gosh, where does the time go?

00:52:35 go and subscribe right now on YouTube and all podcast platforms. She is killing it. Thanks to 1.00

00:52:40 all of you. Um, okay. Amy Griffin, no one cares about Amy Griffin. Just to start off with most

00:52:48 people have no idea who this woman is and your life is better for that. That's that's to your 1.00

00:52:52 benefit. Um, however, we, we here at the MK media podcast network were the ones who first broke

00:52:58 this Maureen broke this story and now it's gone completely viral. You were the first to report on

00:53:04 how this book she wrote, The Tell, she's married to a New York City billionaire. He's worth $6

00:53:08 billion. She's decided to glom on calling herself a founder by using her husband's money to invest 0.93

00:53:14 in businesses that have already succeeded, like Goop with Gwyneth and Happy Sunshine with Reese

00:53:20 and Spanx with Sarah Blakely. Hello, Sunshine, whatever it is. But my point is simply,

00:53:26 I said this and I mean it. She gives some Meghan Markle vibes. Founder, founder, girl boss. 0.70

00:53:33 Yes.

00:53:33 It's fine. 0.90

00:53:34 She's well-educated.

00:53:36 She went to University of Virginia.

00:53:37 She's apparently a very accomplished volleyball player, played sports there.

00:53:42 Like, that's fine. 0.86

00:53:43 Just own that.

00:53:44 You marry a rich guy, which my information is was her intent all along.

00:53:48 Okay, you nailed it.

00:53:50 Just enjoy your life.

00:53:51 That's great.

00:53:51 That's a great life.

00:53:52 There's actually nothing wrong with wanting to marry somebody with money.

00:53:55 Doesn't necessarily produce happiness, but like a lot of women have done that. 0.99

00:53:59 Whatever.

00:54:00 Nobody was going to bother you.

00:54:02 she had, she had to have more. And in her case, it appears that more meant getting attention for

00:54:11 being a victim or an alleged victim. So she wrote this book called The Tell in which she claimed she

00:54:16 had recovered memories, in air quotes, from an MDMA experience. Just so happens that her husband

00:54:22 is investing in an MDMA company and will make money off of its promotion. But in any event,

00:54:28 he doesn't really need the money that she would get him. So put that to the side.

00:54:33 And she recovers the memory that for years, when she was like 12 to 14 or so, she was getting

00:54:40 raped by her childhood teacher who is pseudonymized under the name Mr. Mason. But there is a real

00:54:48 Mr. Mason who lives in Amarillo to this day, which is where she's from. She was not a poor kid from

00:54:55 the wrong side of the tracks in a broken family. She was one of the richest kids in town. Her dad

00:55:00 owned a string of successful businesses. She was, you know, I don't know if she was actually prom

00:55:04 queen, but she was the equivalent of prom queen, very popular, intact family. This is not the

00:55:10 profile of the girl, the teacher or the pervy adult typically targets. They typically target

00:55:15 somebody who will not be believed because the broken family, et cetera. She writes this book

00:55:21 claiming all of this. And Maureen smelled a rat, did a report on it saying, if you read the Amazon

00:55:27 reviews, we talked about it on this show together. Then the New York Times drops this huge piece on

00:55:34 it saying, they don't say it explicitly, but they definitely imply that they have found somebody to

00:55:41 whom all this happened from Amarillo, Texas. And it's not Amy Griffin. It's this girl named Jolene.

00:55:48 And she's since moved to California, but she lived in a foster care home.

00:55:53 She was from a broken family.

00:55:54 She borrowed a dress from Amy Griffin to go to the Sadie Hawkins dance. 0.91

00:56:00 And at that date, at that dance, was raped by a teacher there.

00:56:05 Not Mr. Mason, FYI, a gym teacher there. 0.94

00:56:08 And came back to the dance disheveled. 0.99

00:56:13 She was the talk of the dance. 0.99

00:56:14 people knew something had happened and returned the dress soiled to Amy the next day and then

00:56:20 went to a Sunday school meeting that Amy and she attended together and told at least large

00:56:28 portions or some portions of the story. So that is what the New York Times lays out in a way that

00:56:34 definitely posits that Amy, either intentionally or not, stole Jolene's story, passed it off as

00:56:40 her own under her recovered memories under drugs in her book. And instead of saying, oh shit, 0.99

00:56:48 I can't, this was a bad mistake. I genuinely thought it was mine, but it was drugs. So maybe 0.99

00:56:54 I got confused. I've got to call this Jolene and have a talk with her. I do remember her from Sunday

00:57:00 school, whatever in my school. Instead of doing that, Amy doubles and triples down. She threatens 0.98

00:57:05 the New York Times. She's angry. And then Jolene finds out from the New York Times what has

00:57:11 happened and she sued Amy Griffin. So this woman who still has nothing, she is not a well-off

00:57:17 person. She spent most of her adult years helping children who have been sexually abused or now who

00:57:24 are adults and have the trauma from having been, which tracks with somebody who actually has been

00:57:29 abused. It's not how Amy's been living her life, I can tell you. She is upset that this has

00:57:37 happened. She sues Amy. Amy decides she's going to unleash her billionaire powers on Jolene. 0.69

00:57:44 She can hire the best defamation lawyers, the best investigators. She hired private investigators 1.00

00:57:50 when she was writing her book. Jolene believes they came to visit Jolene and extracted more

00:57:55 details of her story. Amy denies that whoever visited Jolene, this no name, nobody knows person

00:58:02 and said, I'm a Hollywood agent. I'd love to get your story. Please give it to me. Amy denies that

00:58:08 that was a private investigator she sent. But it's a little weird that Jolene led a private

00:58:13 life for 40 some years without anybody knocking on her door until all this was underway. That'll

00:58:18 be disputed and decided in discovery. And now the latest on the story is Amy cross claimed against

00:58:27 her. Amy filed her own independent separate litigation for defamation against her. She's 0.69

00:58:33 got a good lawyer who was on our show last Friday who has been doing a good job of representing

00:58:38 Jolene. But now Amy Maureen is in some kind of massive spiral. Okay. In my opinion, because

00:58:46 Because what we had was Billy Bush first reporting that she confronted him at the wedding of Jennifer Meyer, the daughter of Ron Meyer, who started CAA.

00:59:03 And, like, had a meltdown that she approached him.

00:59:09 She tripped.

00:59:10 She spilled her purse out.

00:59:11 She was shaking.

00:59:12 You don't know me.

00:59:14 She was saying he was like, not the time or the place, Amy.

00:59:17 Happy to talk to you.

00:59:18 We're at a beautiful wedding.

00:59:19 Like, let's do this someplace else.

00:59:20 And it took her husband to get, like, her away from Billy.

00:59:24 And Billy actually said she threatened him.

00:59:28 So that's one member of the press who is direct to camera recounting that he was threatened by Amy Griffin.

00:59:35 Here is that from Billy's podcast, Hot Mics.

00:59:39 Watch.

00:59:40 Other well-corroborated allegations. 0.90

00:59:43 Amy tried to blackball another person's kid from a nice all-girls private school.

00:59:48 Got that direct. 1.00

00:59:50 Two sources.

00:59:51 It backfired.

00:59:53 It got immediately back to me.

00:59:56 And she told people with whom she had lunch the day before the wedding that she was going to ruin me. 1.00

01:00:05 She said she was going to sue me into oblivion, bankrupt me, and make me homeless.

01:00:11 these are from the people sitting at the table okay it all got back instead of owning any of this

01:00:22 she's trying to overpower everyone with her money and it turns people off so bankrupt him 0.97

01:00:31 and make him homeless and also i can report that she allegedly called him disgusting trash 0.97

01:00:41 And so that's a direct report that Billy himself is saying happened to him by her.

01:00:47 And on top of that, you heard what he said at the top, that she went after a reporter for the New York Times' child, the woman who broke the story about Jolene's existence.

01:01:00 That woman has a daughter who's 17 years old, trying to get into colleges.

01:01:07 She goes to school in New York City.

01:01:09 And we have confirmed this reporting,

01:01:12 which was broken by Semaphore, owned by Ben Smith.

01:01:15 And Ben Smith worked at the Times for 10 years.

01:01:17 He broke the story that Amy Griffin had called at least,

01:01:21 but it could be more, at least one university

01:01:24 and had the daughter blackballed, 1.00

01:01:27 attempted to have the New York Times' daughter blackballed.

01:01:31 We believe it was from the University of Michigan.

01:01:34 But I don't have that nailed down,

01:01:36 which university, but John went to the University of Michigan. She went to UVA

01:01:39 and that's semaphores Ben Smith reporting that. And we have confirmed that as well. So is Billy

01:01:44 Bush. So that is at least two reporters who she's threatened to ruin, to bankrupt. And in the case 0.99

01:01:51 of the New York times reporter to try to ruin the future of her minor child, Maureen, I don't know

01:01:58 for sure what happened between Amy and Jolene, though I've certainly got my opinions, but this

01:02:03 is real, what she's doing to the reporters, which does not speak well for her character or whether

01:02:10 she's the truth teller, because I don't think you'd be behaving this way if you knew you had

01:02:15 the facts and the law on your side. You'd be irritated by people saying otherwise, but this

01:02:20 is not how you'd behave. And this woman with all the gifts in the world, you know, beauty, a great

01:02:27 husband, children, the biggest home in Manhattan, a private jet that is like a 747, multiple homes

01:02:34 around the world, best friends with Gwyneth and Reese and all that is now in a downward spiral

01:02:41 that she doesn't seem to be able to get out of. Because since we did that piece on Friday,

01:02:46 she's had, I believe, yet another attempted rehab piece placed on page six, where Sarah Nathan

01:02:54 appears to have gone along with whatever she wanted

01:02:59 because this piece is basically just a rehab of Amy

01:03:03 and how now the story is

01:03:05 she didn't really remember it all from the MDMA.

01:03:10 She did have memories that she was sexually abused

01:03:13 prior to that because one of Jolene's best facts

01:03:18 is that she's told people for years.

01:03:21 She has a sworn affidavit from a friend

01:03:23 who she was working with in 2016.

01:03:24 in which she heard Jolene tell a child sexual abuse survivor

01:03:28 her own story of sexual abuse in Amarillo,

01:03:31 which tracks exactly what would appear

01:03:33 nine years later in the tell as Amy's story.

01:03:37 Or 10, yeah, nine years later.

01:03:40 So that's very much in Jolene's corner

01:03:43 that she was never on drugs.

01:03:45 She remembered it.

01:03:45 She's been telling it her whole life.

01:03:47 Amy takes drugs, suddenly remembers it.

01:03:49 There's no childhood or other witness

01:03:50 who can come forward to say Amy's ever told them about this.

01:03:53 And so now in the wake of those facts, those dueling fact patterns, Amy is switching to, oh, no, I did know I was sexually abused prior to the drugs.

01:04:03 And she gives this interview talking about how she's been hunted.

01:04:09 It's a source close to Amy says she's been hunted.

01:04:15 The quote is, there's a difference between scrutiny and a hunt.

01:04:22 Scrutiny Amy welcomes.

01:04:23 Sure she does, because the record holds up.

01:04:26 What she has lived with since the summer is a hunt, one source in the know told Page Six this week.

01:04:33 And then there's other BS about her trying to get a settlement with Jolene, to give Jolene an off-ramp, but Jolene wouldn't do it.

01:04:40 And then Sarah does report that she reached out to Zach Rosenblatt, who represents Jolene, and he said there was not a single dollar offered.

01:04:47 Instead, the attorneys demanded that Jolene abandon her litigation and threatened her if she refused.

01:04:54 It was an attempt to intimidate and bully.

01:04:57 So she's not, Amy wouldn't admit anything. 0.99

01:04:59 She just wanted Jolene to surrender. 0.79

01:05:01 And then she tried to spin this as like, I tried to give her an off-ramp.

01:05:05 But what do you make of all the developments in this story since we last spoke?

01:05:10 Well, it's fascinating because I also noticed she was the subject of a New York Magazine cover story.

01:05:16 Yeah.

01:05:16 and she was on the cover and the photographs were taken by New York magazine and she gave an

01:05:22 interview to New York magazine. So it was basically a version of Meghan Markle's commissioned

01:05:26 People magazine piece. 100%. And in this piece, the journalist was very favorably disposed to

01:05:34 the point of sycophancy. Like we're not going to ask questions that contradict your version of

01:05:39 events, which now, because now Amy's moving the goalposts, right? We spent the better part of,

01:05:45 this is my story. This is my truth. How dare you? How dare you? I survived the worst thing you could

01:05:49 survive as a child. Wait a second. Maybe I did misremember. The New York mag piece is like,

01:05:57 maybe I somehow conflated some of what happened to me, some of what happened to Jolene. Gosh,

01:06:03 golly gee. Maybe it happened to both of us. I've never tried to say it didn't happen to Jolene.

01:06:08 Don't say it didn't happen to me, Jolene. Right. So when the nerve first did our piece,

01:06:15 And I prefaced our piece because I was just coming at it as a reader to whom none of this was tracking.

01:06:23 And one of the closest people to me survived sexual assault as a teenager and a young woman by two different perpetrators.

01:06:34 And so I take it extremely seriously.

01:06:37 I didn't come at it in any way as sort of just like a flip.

01:06:40 Oh, let's look under the hood here.

01:06:42 Because this sort of loops back to Meghan Markle and why I think she'll never really fully recover from this at all.

01:06:50 The question that we put to Amy's people before we published our piece on the nerve was, I think, the most simple elemental one.

01:06:59 If Amy knows, if there's a child sexual predator out there who visited these horrors upon her and still lives there and is known to everyone, you know, isn't she concerned that he's been harming other children?

01:07:17 Wouldn't she, with all of her money and resources, want to make sure that this person could never harm another child?

01:07:25 Crickets.

01:07:26 Very good question.

01:07:28 Very good question.

01:07:29 Billy believes there's a possibility, and I can see it, that Mr. Mason has been paid off with an NDA because he's not complaining.

01:07:40 He's not talking to anyone.

01:07:42 He has been totally tight-lipped, and no one can prove that.

01:07:47 This is pure speculation.

01:07:48 Do you not know that Amy did this?

01:07:49 But there's no question somebody with those kinds of resources, and we believe there are some who have been paid off

01:07:57 and agreed to an NDA.

01:08:00 So there's a question about whether she's accused an innocent man

01:08:04 but bought his silence with an NDA.

01:08:07 Again, can't prove that.

01:08:09 Just a question.

01:08:10 I know you can't prove a negative, but it would track.

01:08:13 I mean, I think everybody's been trying to find Mr. Mason.

01:08:16 You know, everybody knows who he is.

01:08:19 It also says to me that that guy, like, knows he's innocent, you know?

01:08:23 And that everybody in his world knows he's innocent.

01:08:26 he's not a child molester. The other thing about the tell, which is very strange, is that she's

01:08:30 got no real dates in there, no real ages at which these things happen to her. I'm not trying to be

01:08:37 flip, but I'm just saying this is the way the book is written. She's getting raped in every room in 0.98

01:08:41 that school during daylight hours, classrooms, locker rooms, bathrooms, getting the shit beat 1.00

01:08:48 out of her. Then she goes back to class and nobody sees a black eye or a missing tooth. 0.99

01:08:52 are you kidding me? Are you kidding? It's shocking to me that somebody with all the things

01:08:59 she has is engaging in the retaliation campaign. Like that is fucking beyond to a threatened Billy 0.97

01:09:08 Bush. Like you're going to bankrupt him. You're going to ruin his family. He's disgusting trash 0.99

01:09:14 and you're going to, you know, you're going to take him down. And a 17 year old, Maureen, 1.00

01:09:19 I've never seen it before.

01:09:21 And I've had a lot of people hate my guts, truly.

01:09:24 And I've loathed the behavior of many people.

01:09:29 In a million years, I would never hurt somebody's kid.

01:09:31 In fact, if Don Lemon called me up tomorrow

01:09:33 and said, will you help my kid?

01:09:34 I would say 100%, I will help your kid.

01:09:37 Like, I don't care.

01:09:38 Like, it's a different thing

01:09:39 we're talking about to people's children.

01:09:41 You help, you definitely don't hurt.

01:09:45 That's insane. 1.00

01:09:46 And the whole crux of this case is which one of these two women is a psychotic liar because it has to be one of them. 0.99

01:09:55 The New York Magazine attempt to split the baby. 0.98

01:09:57 Maybe they're both telling the truth.

01:09:59 Cannot be true because one of them is lying about that Palm Springs meeting in 2019.

01:10:06 Jolene alleges in her lawsuit that in 2019, Amy called her out of the blue.

01:10:10 They hadn't spoken since Amarillo and said, I'd like to come see you.

01:10:14 I know you live in Palm Springs.

01:10:15 Can I come see you?

01:10:16 And they did.

01:10:17 They met in a coffee shop.

01:10:18 They chatted.

01:10:19 They didn't talk about sexual assault, just reminisced a bit.

01:10:21 And that Amy then gave her a postcard Amy had and said, I'll write my address on it.

01:10:26 Please fill it out and send it to me.

01:10:28 And you do the same for me.

01:10:29 And that Jolene did sign whatever, some anodyne message on this postcard and mailed it to Amy,

01:10:35 but that she never received the return one from Amy, interestingly.

01:10:39 and that according to Jolene is basically the first time Amy made contact and she was sniffing

01:10:48 around Jolene. It was a couple of years after it's unclear. Jolene can't remember if it was 21 or 22

01:10:54 that suddenly these Hollywood investigator, Hollywood producers came to like find out more

01:11:00 about her story. And it turned out they disappeared when Jolene was like, can I have a contract to run

01:11:05 by a lawyer. She believes those are Amy's investigators who are getting more details

01:11:10 for the tell. And potentially we're going to ask her to give them the rights to her story for money,

01:11:15 but flew the coop before we got there because she wanted, she brought a lawyer into the situation.

01:11:24 Amy denies all of that, says neither I nor any investigator. She admits hiring PIs,

01:11:28 but she says none of them ever contacted Jolene. So I do believe if it turns out Jolene made up

01:11:33 that meeting in 2019, I will disbelieve everything Jolene is saying. I really will. I will say Amy

01:11:40 is the truth teller because one of them is a psychopath lying about the meeting. But I have 0.95

01:11:46 to say, if Jolene's lying about that meeting, she really is a psychopath. I mean, she's pathological 0.99

01:11:52 because you don't have to make up a meeting between you and Amy Griffin in order to say 0.99

01:11:56 that Amy stole your story. You can just say, it's my story. We went to school together. I told you

01:12:01 or in sunday school but isn't there a part in the tell where amy references that postcard

01:12:06 yes amy says yes hey this is this is the inciting event right like i got a postcard out of the blue

01:12:12 from jolene from claudia from claudia who we all know is jolene which amy denies which amy denies

01:12:17 this this to me the way amy is comporting herself when you think about the wealth she came from

01:12:25 the extreme wealth she married into the circles in which she runs apparently roger federer is a 0.96

01:12:31 an annual summer guest at their Hamptons

01:12:33 estate. Oh, she fancies herself like

01:12:35 tennis's number one girl. Oh, is she? 0.94

01:12:37 That's what she claims. 1.00

01:12:40 You would think

01:12:41 her response would be much more sophisticated

01:12:43 to this. Instead, this looks like a

01:12:45 panic response. This is all

01:12:47 id. This is I'm unleashing fury.

01:12:49 If your book is predicated on you

01:12:51 being a child victim and your response

01:12:53 to a report in the New York Times

01:12:55 that is questioning your story is to go after

01:12:57 the child of one of those reporters,

01:12:59 How can I believe you were victimized as a child if you would so callously, heartlessly, viciously go after the future dreams of a child who has nothing to do with this?

01:13:11 She's a bystander.

01:13:12 She's collateral. 0.97

01:13:14 And John Griffin, he has to know he's married to like a real monster.

01:13:18 He's got to.

01:13:18 Well, what's amazing is it appears that Amy went to this university, called in, you know, one of her major contacts and said, don't let this girl in or the equivalent thereof. 0.99

01:13:29 And that person was like, fuck off and told. 0.98

01:13:34 I mean, that's, I believe, how Semaphore found out. 0.99

01:13:37 But I mean, the point is, she trusted the wrong person to be as nefarious as she is, if this story is true. And our reporting confirms that she did try to hurt the child of the New York Times reporter. Here's what that postcard note to Amy Griffin supposedly read, how it read, according to the tell.

01:13:58 The tell says Claudia sent her a postcard.

01:14:00 Claudia in the book is someone she suspects another student of having been molested by Mr. Mason.

01:14:05 And she was originally, the original thought for the book was she was going to go to Claudia's door and like knock on it.

01:14:10 And there was going to be this come to Jesus talk.

01:14:13 But in any event, the way the book winds up spinning it is she gets a postcard from Claudia that supposedly reads, I didn't have it in me to tell you the truth.

01:14:22 Like when you, whatever, I didn't have it in me to tell you the truth.

01:14:25 That's not what Jolene wrote.

01:14:27 Jolene wrote some anodyne, whatever.

01:14:30 Jolene says, I did tell you the truth.

01:14:31 I told you the truth back when we were kids.

01:14:33 And then I told your investigators the truth

01:14:36 when they contacted me claiming to be Hollywood agents

01:14:38 years later.

01:14:39 Something again, Amy denies.

01:14:40 The story is so bizarre.

01:14:42 It's got to be a made for television movie sometime soon.

01:14:45 It's just got all the elements. 1.00

01:14:47 And Amy needs to settle this like yesterday 1.00

01:14:51 before she loses what's left of her reputation. 1.00

01:14:53 You know what you were saying

01:14:54 at the beginning of this conversation,

01:14:56 which is like Amy's got all of these gifts, right?

01:15:00 The one thing she doesn't have is something that sets her apart

01:15:03 and makes her feel special.

01:15:05 She's married to a billionaire who must be a genius.

01:15:09 She's busy collecting scalps with all of her money, celebrity scalps.

01:15:13 Look, I'm friends with Oprah.

01:15:14 I'm friends with Gwyneth.

01:15:15 I'm friends with Reese.

01:15:16 Savannah.

01:15:16 Savannah, all of whom, most of whom we've heard have been backing away slowly

01:15:21 because this does not, it stinks to high heaven.

01:15:25 They're not even releasing the paperback.

01:15:27 That says everything.

01:15:28 Yeah.

01:15:29 That says everything.

01:15:31 Penguin Random House has said they're not releasing it.

01:15:34 You know what's interesting too?

01:15:35 This is a little inside baseball publishing,

01:15:36 but the editor of both the Tell and Bell Burden's Strangers.

01:15:41 Oh no.

01:15:41 Same editor.

01:15:42 No.

01:15:43 Same editor.

01:15:44 Just as Bell Burden's Strangers,

01:15:46 you know, the husband is like,

01:15:47 this is a fairy tale.

01:15:50 That's incredible.

01:15:51 Yes, I cheated.

01:15:51 I could have left the marriage better,

01:15:53 but the rest of it, 0.99

01:15:53 knowing try to bankrupt her she had complete transparency with the finances and she came from 0.97

01:15:59 a bunch of family dough she came from money the husband didn't come from anything the same editor 0.96

01:16:03 has amy griffin's the towel she's still like very high up in the publishing world which is 1.00

01:16:07 astonishing to me if she would just switch over to fiction she'd be great i know right just switch 1.00

01:16:12 out of memoirs it's like that thing i guess where it's like um rich white women who have us a tale 1.00

01:16:18 of woe, right? Like these rich blonde, blonde, like my theory holds with Belle Burden. She wasn't 1.00

01:16:24 special. She was born into all this money. She runs with all these people who maybe made their

01:16:28 money through dint of their own intellect or talent, whatever. She's not, so she's got something,

01:16:34 right? So Billy used this great phrase on our show the other day. He called it status through trauma.

01:16:39 Yes. I love it. That's exactly right. That seems to me, and I know you're saying it,

01:16:44 very clear what Amy wanted. And she got named to the Time 100, which was a joke. It was a joke.

01:16:51 I know because I was there. And Extra and Access Hollywood were sticking mics in my face asking me 0.92

01:16:55 like, what does it feel like to be here again? Because I've been there once before. And I was

01:17:00 like, you know, to be part of Time's most influential people in the world. And I said,

01:17:05 you can find this. I was like, these aren't the 100 most influential people in the world. This

01:17:10 is a joke. This is an ad opportunity for most of these people who bought their way onto the list.

01:17:14 I did not. I didn't care at all. I didn't pay a dime. No, I was surprised they came back to me

01:17:18 again, but I'm like this. And I said, what's, what is Blake Lively doing here? All she did was

01:17:25 do a fake me too story about Ryan Reynolds. I mean, yes, Justin Baldoni. Anyway, Amy Griffin

01:17:32 was there. She was another one I was thinking of. And like, I was so embarrassed. I had secondhand 0.91

01:17:36 embarrassment for her because she took it really seriously. And she, she did these glamour shots 0.97

01:17:41 of herself, like looking out the window with the hair pulled back. I'm like, you know, no one takes

01:17:46 it seriously, right? Like it's come please. But that's why she wrote the book to like, just me,

01:17:54 not John. This is not his honor. I'm in the main role now. I'm front and center, not Reese,

01:18:01 not Gwyneth. This is my thing. And I don't like it's to me, it's sad because I actually know a

01:18:09 lot of very rich women on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. I lived there for 14 years and I went

01:18:13 to the New York City private schools, not me, but my kids. So I met tons of these women. And in my 1.00

01:18:18 experience, they were all super fabulous. And the ones who actually married a rich guy are actually

01:18:24 thrilled with it and cool. Like they don't rub it in your face or anything, but they don't have a

01:18:28 chip on their shoulder about it. They're just like fabulous and living a great life. Something's

01:18:33 wrong with this one like she wasn't able to just love all the gifts that god had given her she 0.88

01:18:40 doesn't have that many gifts though that's the problem megan she's not really beautiful she's

01:18:43 not uh she's tall and she's blonde and it's all over the towel where it's like she's always getting 0.97

01:18:48 like almost to like the best part of like being an athlete like almost to the best part of being

01:18:55 the smartest one in school like she's always like an also ran like it's it's a through line through

01:19:00 the book, right? So she's got to be the best at something. Now, Meghan Markle is going to take

01:19:05 this mantle any moment, but right now she's number one in maybe having been abused as a child. We 0.99

01:19:11 don't know, but maybe. I mean, this one seems to be number one in harassing people with less power

01:19:21 than she has and using her husband's money for ill. I mean, that's really like, now the rubber 1.00

01:19:28 hits the road. Now, Oprah, Gwyneth, Reese, Savannah, et cetera, all need to be asked,

01:19:36 do you stand by this woman? And in some of those cases, the promotion of this woman's book.

01:19:43 I mean, how about you, Oprah? You got out there and pushed it harder than anyone.

01:19:47 Jenna Bush, Hager, you too. Do you want to clarify to your audience that now there have

01:19:54 been repeated reports that this memoir is nothing of the kind, serious allegations and legal

01:20:01 disputes that alleging that she stole this story and multiple reports now that she is threatening

01:20:07 reporters and the children of reporters who shed light on the dispute. Do you stand by? Are you

01:20:15 going to update your audiences? Where is the update? And now it's to the point where they're

01:20:21 not releasing the paperback. So a statement is in order, NBC. Let's have one. You know what else?

01:20:29 If this book is proved to be false, they have to pulp it. Yeah, that's right. They have to pulp it.

01:20:37 It has to be as much as it can erased from the canon. It's a false document. She's saying this

01:20:46 is all true this all happened to me and all of this stuff by the way like using her husband's

01:20:51 money to try to silence people or keep kids out of like colleges or whatever to me that just feels

01:20:56 like misplaced rage like she's enraged she's enraged by something larger and much more amorphous 0.97

01:21:03 which is the bulk of us are on to her we know she's a fraud and she's freaking out because

01:21:09 in my opinion she knows she's a fraud she's been caught if this really happened to you and people

01:21:14 were doubting it i know you you would be like doubt me all you want yes i'm moving on yes you

01:21:20 know that's it honestly i truly am like i don't it's i tweeted it out not long ago i saw it on x

01:21:25 and i loved it don't don't waste time arguing with people who are determined to misunderstand you

01:21:30 love that so it's like you you know if you're telling the truth you don't you don't have to

01:21:36 run around trying to prove it exactly nor does a true like female executive who actually built

01:21:42 her own thing. You can speak to this. Run around calling yourself a founder or a girl boss. 1.00

01:21:49 Can you think of anything more cringe inducing? No. I'm a founder. Founder. Founder. All I can 0.98

01:21:55 think of that is the AI apron Jake made me for our With Love Megan. Remember he put that on one

01:22:00 of the promos? Oh, I forgot about that. Founder on my apron, my Megan Markle apron. I forgot about

01:22:05 that. We'll lay it in so you guys can see it. All right, we're going to take a quick break.

01:22:10 And then we've got so many other stories we've got to hit.

01:22:12 I hope you don't have any other plans for the next seven hours.

01:22:15 We'll be right back.

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01:23:23 got a lot to get through. Now, I know you are on the Celine Dion beat, and I realized that last

01:23:31 Thursday after the election, when everybody else was licking wounds, Celine Dion was rocking out

01:23:37 to Metallica with Jack Black at the Sphere in Las Vegas. And we did get the video, and I have to

01:23:47 say, I don't understand. You're going to explain it to me, I guess. Doesn't she have, oh, it's a

01:23:53 thought. Okay, let's watch. Oh, she's playing air guitar. Air guitar. She's leaning backward.

01:24:15 Head's going.

01:24:16 Yeah, she's feeling it.

01:24:19 Doesn't she have something called stiff person syndrome 0.94

01:24:23 that like doesn't really allow rocking out in this way?

01:24:27 What's going on with Celine Dion?

01:24:28 So this has been one of our newest preoccupations 0.58

01:24:31 over at The Nerve because she recently also finished

01:24:35 a multi-date residency in Paris performing live.

01:24:39 And remember she about around the pandemic

01:24:43 came forward in a People Magazine cover story, NBC exclusive interview, an Amazon Prime documentary

01:24:52 devoted to this very major diagnosis, catastrophic, she had been given, of stiff person syndrome,

01:24:58 which affects literally one in one to two million people. It's extremely rare. And what it does is

01:25:05 It has one trajectory, and it turns its sufferers into statues, hence stiff person.

01:25:14 There is no known real intervention, no known cure.

01:25:17 The documentary was harrowing to watch.

01:25:21 And now she's not only doing multi-date, back-to-back residences, and one of the triggers for a flare, if you have this diagnosis, is you're supposed to avoid loud music and flashing lights.

01:25:35 But she's on stage. 0.92

01:25:38 She did a residency in Vegas. 1.00

01:25:39 Oh, yeah.

01:25:40 Flashing lights and loud music.

01:25:43 And then she finished by exiting her hotel and there was like there was a bunch of media and fans outside like singing her name.

01:25:51 And so she started literally like dancing in the street and there was a parked car in front of the the edifice and she's like flinging herself on the car.

01:26:00 She's climbing on the car.

01:26:02 It's like it's like a jungle gym for her.

01:26:04 And it's like, so we asked, well, what happened?

01:26:06 It doesn't seem very stiff.

01:26:08 It's a degenerative disease.

01:26:09 It goes one way.

01:26:10 Like this is, we're five years in.

01:26:12 Like have you had some- 1.00

01:26:13 She should be less mobile today than she was five years ago. 1.00

01:26:15 She should be in a wheelchair. 1.00

01:26:16 Oh. 1.00

01:26:17 She should be in a wheelchair.

01:26:19 We are not sure.

01:26:19 Oh, this is her at her concert series.

01:26:21 Oh yeah, I see.

01:26:22 Well, I see flashing lights right there. 1.00

01:26:23 She's rushing out on stage. 1.00

01:26:25 She's coming down- 0.90

01:26:25 She's coming down a bunch of stairs.

01:26:28 The fans are all aligned. 1.00

01:26:29 There she is.

01:26:29 Okay.

01:26:30 Oh, all right.

01:26:31 well she's just swaying gently there arms aloft we're in heavy beaded costumes

01:26:39 so you've got questions about whether the diagnosis is real i'm a little um perplexed

01:26:45 i would say for sure like now this so this is my thing okay these celebrities they come forward

01:26:51 this is kind of a through line amy griffin to celine right disorder what did billy call it

01:26:56 trauma status through trauma status through trauma i have a slightly different theory about

01:27:00 celine but they come forward and they give us this um this trauma dump hey this thing is happening

01:27:06 to me and i'm gonna monetize it by the way i'm gonna get your sympathy and i'm gonna make money

01:27:11 off of it and then um five years go by and this happens and there's zero explanation

01:27:17 so either celine dion with her massive wealth has somehow made herself 0.58

01:27:26 the recipient of one of the most breakthrough medical interventions that we've seen in the

01:27:32 past hundred years. These are orphan diseases. There's like really no research and development

01:27:36 into them. They strike very few people. Or she was misdiagnosed. Come forward and say that.

01:27:45 But you can't do this and expect us to forget that you said you have this syndrome that should

01:27:52 be debilitating yes oh my gosh that's incredible incredible yeah i have noticed like a lot of

01:27:57 videos celine dion like out there dancing and so on a great time and in the back of your head you're

01:28:01 like didn't she have that dude yeah did she say she had something that makes you like stiff and

01:28:07 unable to move yeah but i appreciate the forensic deconstruction of exactly how we got from a to b

01:28:13 and hopefully explanation pending celine seems like not just your heart has gone on but your

01:28:21 whole body, very limberly for five years. Okay. Speaking of singers, huge divas, and I mean that

01:28:30 in a flattering way, who don't seem all that well or who seem to be suffering from some sort of

01:28:36 syndrome, Mariah Carey. So Mariah Carey recently walked out. She's overseas. Where is she? I don't

01:28:44 remember what, where she was for this. Um, okay. Well, in any event, but Mariah Carey walked out

01:28:50 of her, um, hotel and Maureen, she was like, she needed to hold on to her handler in order to make

01:28:59 it to like five steps over to the cheering throngs who were there. Then she, they wanted autographs

01:29:05 and she looked like she was on uncomfortable holding the pen and all like the buzz under

01:29:12 of these videos online is all about like, what's wrong with her? What's wrong? What's wrong? Now

01:29:16 it could be like strained her back, but she, if you strained your back, if you hurt your back in 1.00

01:29:21 a performance, I don't think you'd be wearing the five inch high heels she was wearing. I'm not sure 1.00

01:29:27 what was going on there, but she also seems like she's having some troubles. And to me, she's like

01:29:34 another example of like, there's a level of fame and success that's unhealthy. I agree. I agree.

01:29:41 Celine had it, Mariah had it.

01:29:44 In Celine and Mariah's case, they have a commonality.

01:29:47 Celine's is far more traumatic and worse.

01:29:51 You know, Celine was discovered at the age of 12 by a record producer.

01:29:56 I'm blanking on his last name.

01:29:57 He's very famous.

01:29:58 Anyway, he was in his like mid-30s and married.

01:30:00 Wait, Renee.

01:30:02 Angelil.

01:30:03 Yeah.

01:30:04 And he basically took Celine out of poverty.

01:30:07 She was like one of 14 kids.

01:30:09 and smash cut to she's 19 and they're dating.

01:30:13 He was 52 and she was 26 when they got married.

01:30:16 Wow.

01:30:17 But she was 12.

01:30:19 When he became her manager.

01:30:22 Oh, boy.

01:30:23 That's sketchy.

01:30:25 That's her trauma.

01:30:26 That, I believe, is her trauma.

01:30:28 She married her abuser.

01:30:29 And didn't Mariah with Tommy Mottola? 0.97

01:30:31 Tommy Mottola took her at 19.

01:30:34 She was this girl from Long Island.

01:30:36 She was going to be famous.

01:30:37 It was just who got a hold of her first. 0.53

01:30:39 with that voice yes and he got a hold of her first and he left his wife for her she she again 0.98

01:30:46 she's a 19 year old girl from he locks her up in this mansion in upstate new york or in westchester

01:30:53 and she could never get out yes and that was a real trauma like he was he was he felt tommy

01:30:59 mottola kind of felt like mafia adjacent you know and um her first solo album was was all about like

01:31:06 her freedom you know and um so i think that's their like the famous way too early discovered

01:31:12 by these fengali slash abusers never really developed emotionally possible possible possible

01:31:19 um but never really had that you know you know how valuable are your 20s when you're like an

01:31:25 independent young woman yes figuring stuff out for yourself yes making mistakes failing picking

01:31:31 yourself up dusting yourself off learning if you're an introspective person it's a critical

01:31:35 point in a young woman's life, critical. Figuring out what you want. Yes. What you want, not what

01:31:41 other people think you or you could do for them. Even my mom, who is very strong and a great

01:31:48 mother, you know, when I, when I graduated from surrogate, she said the financial umbilical cord

01:31:53 is cut. You're on your own. Love you. We'll be here for emotional support, you know, on case by

01:31:58 case basis. But you're on your own. And I paid for my own law school. And if I had, you know,

01:32:04 big falls, Maureen, she was always my first phone call. God bless her. She's still here. I just saw

01:32:09 her last week. She's 85 now. And she still is a great source of advice, but she definitely let me

01:32:14 fall many times and then would give the phone call I needed. Like, you're okay. This is what

01:32:19 you should do. If you want my advice, if you don't, I'll just be here as a shoulder to cry on.

01:32:24 But even my mom let me have my falls in my twenties. She didn't try to prop me up. She knew

01:32:29 letting me fall down on my face i mean who am i kidding 20s 30s 40s 50s

01:32:34 yeah no it's part of it resilience is everything resilience is everything and i think

01:32:41 these these such such a they're like birds in cages these women these salines and these mariahs

01:32:49 you look at mariah you can there's a child like yes affect to her she never fully that's so true

01:32:57 So yes, you can really see that actually in this video too.

01:33:00 Here's a third different set of circumstances,

01:33:03 but I don't know if it's so far afield from where we are. 0.96

01:33:06 Alanis Morissette has declared herself pansexual.

01:33:12 Nobody knows what that means.

01:33:13 Nobody believes it.

01:33:14 I mean, I have no idea.

01:33:15 I was like, what is that?

01:33:17 You like to do it with a pan?

01:33:20 So pansexual, it's probably in Urban Dictionary by now.

01:33:23 is like, it seems an extraneous word in the lexicon,

01:33:27 but apparently it means you're sexually attracted to anyone.

01:33:30 So it could be somebody who identifies as trans

01:33:33 or someone who identifies as non-binary

01:33:35 or someone who identifies as genderqueer or whatever.

01:33:39 I don't know.

01:33:40 But apparently she's open. 1.00

01:33:41 It's bi on steroids. 0.99

01:33:43 She's open to all comers. 0.99

01:33:45 So to speak.

01:33:46 I don't think it's true.

01:33:48 Well done.

01:33:50 Well done.

01:33:50 But I don't think it's true

01:33:52 because she's historically dated men.

01:33:54 She's married to a man.

01:33:55 She's married to a man right now.

01:33:56 It's like, make me interesting. 0.99

01:33:58 Make me interesting.

01:33:58 Yes, here we go.

01:33:59 Actually, we have a soundbite.

01:34:00 Let's watch.

01:34:01 I'm sorry for the men that hurt you,

01:34:03 but I'm not sorry for the songs that came from it.

01:34:06 That's kind.

01:34:06 Those are pretty amazing. 1.00

01:34:08 Did it make you want to be a lesbian at any point?

01:34:11 I'm pansexual, so yeah.

01:34:13 Nice.

01:34:13 I get everything.

01:34:14 Nice.

01:34:16 Wait, you're not really pansexual, are you?

01:34:18 I am.

01:34:19 You're supposed to come into the Handsome Podcast

01:34:21 leading with, I'm pansexual.

01:34:24 You know, I like to leave it for the epilogue.

01:34:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:26 Yeah, baby, come on now.

01:34:28 I like to confuse people on the way out. 1.00

01:34:32 If I may, this is so beneath her.

01:34:35 It really is beneath her.

01:34:36 She's an incredible talent. 1.00

01:34:37 There's no disputing Alanis Morissette is just a badass.

01:34:44 She's a one-namer, too, Alanis.

01:34:46 True.

01:34:47 You know exactly her talent.

01:34:49 She doesn't have anything to prove. 0.81

01:34:51 why is she doing this that's her with her husband and in the process this is her recently giving an

01:34:57 interview to entertainment weekly this is on camera

01:35:00 just so you can understand she said i've even had a guy ask me why i didn't lead with my sexuality

01:35:09 thank you ben out of luck

01:35:10 just so you can understand she said i've even had a guy ask me why i didn't lead with my sexuality

01:35:21 Thank you, Ben Affleck.

01:35:23 Ben Affleck.

01:35:24 Okay, we don't know what context that was said in.

01:35:27 I don't know, like, it's Hollywood.

01:35:29 Are you so shocked a man would say?

01:35:31 I'm sure it was, I'm just gonna give him

01:35:33 the benefit of the doubt.

01:35:34 You're sexy.

01:35:35 You know, you should lead with that.

01:35:37 It's like, you're even sexier than you are talented.

01:35:40 My God, I don't know, whatever. 0.94

01:35:41 It's probably some buffoonish attempt to compliment her.

01:35:44 Probably wasn't expecting her to use it against him

01:35:46 years later on a stage, just gratuitously ripping on him.

01:35:50 It's unnecessary, right?

01:35:51 It's like a moment they'd starred together.

01:35:53 I don't like it either.

01:35:54 They had starred together in dogma.

01:35:58 So I don't know what she's doing, but I am genuinely disappointed.

01:36:01 Normally, I don't care about these women, but like her, I really do think she's very 0.99

01:36:06 talented and just a damn badass, and she's belittling herself.

01:36:10 I agree with you completely. 0.98

01:36:11 These things feel like I'm trying to get some clickbait, right?

01:36:15 Like, I'm going to – over here, she's pansexual on, like, Tig Notaro's podcast with, like, this woman suffering from, like, a serotonin lack of, you know. 0.72

01:36:24 Is that a woman?

01:36:25 I think so.

01:36:26 I was not sure.

01:36:27 I think so.

01:36:28 And then on stage, oh, Ben Affleck said this to me.

01:36:31 And then she's got his face behind her on the jumbotron, like, exploding, which was, I think, a scene from Dogma.

01:36:37 I think the context was they were shooting Dogma together.

01:36:40 So a feature film.

01:36:42 And he says to her, hey, like, it's the early 90s.

01:36:45 It's Miramax.

01:36:46 It's like, this is, you know, all the starlets coming up.

01:36:49 Hey, interesting.

01:36:50 You don't lead with your sex.

01:36:51 I'd love to know the intonation too, right?

01:36:52 Yeah, me too.

01:36:53 You don't lead.

01:36:54 You could do it.

01:36:54 You don't lead with your sexuality.

01:36:55 Why is that?

01:36:56 That's, you know, we don't know.

01:36:58 But like, it's not a punishable offense in the public square.

01:37:01 No.

01:37:02 That question.

01:37:02 Sorry, it's not.

01:37:03 No, exactly.

01:37:04 It would need to be a greater sin.

01:37:05 And who comes out and says, I'm pansexual when they've got not only a husband at home,

01:37:11 but three kids, 15, 10, and seven.

01:37:14 So you really want your seven-year-old to know 1.00

01:37:17 that you like to do trannies and not just their father? 1.00

01:37:20 Like, what the F? 1.00

01:37:21 Megan, please, it's not trannies anymore. 1.00

01:37:23 What is it now? 1.00

01:37:24 I think it's non-binary.

01:37:30 Transgender.

01:37:30 It's transgender.

01:37:31 Okay, when you and I were coming up, yes, it was that. 0.89

01:37:34 But I'm teasing you.

01:37:35 No, I know.

01:37:36 I'm teasing you.

01:37:36 I actually promised I wasn't going to use the term trans anymore. 1.00

01:37:39 I was just going to use gender confused because I don't believe you can trans yourself. 0.99

01:37:42 There's no such thing as trans. 0.98

01:37:43 You can be gender confused.

01:37:44 And honestly, I have empathy for you.

01:37:46 I'm sorry that you're going through that.

01:37:47 I've had this in my own family and I know how difficult it can be, my extended family.

01:37:52 But I'm not going to do the trans lie anymore because it is just that. 0.95

01:37:55 Okay. 0.99

01:37:56 Let's see if we can get Jane Leaves in of Frasier. 1.00

01:38:01 Jane Leaves. 0.70

01:38:03 Here's just a little look back on what she's talking about.

01:38:07 this is when

01:38:09 her character allegedly gained a bunch

01:38:11 of weight on the series Frasier in 0.99

01:38:13 2001, and they wrote it into the

01:38:15 plot as Daphne was just 0.79

01:38:17 getting fat. Sot 19. 0.96

01:38:19 Is it my imagination that she

01:38:20 gained weight since breakfast?

01:38:23 Which seating? Eight, nine, or

01:38:25 ten? Oh, darling, you're undone.

01:38:27 I know. This dress used to fit perfectly.

01:38:29 Now I can't even get it. Is it halfway up?

01:38:31 Those bloody cleaners must have shrunk it. 0.61

01:38:33 Let me give it a try. 0.77

01:38:35 Yeah!

01:38:37 oh my

01:38:41 maybe if I put a jacket on

01:38:43 will you come and help me pick one out

01:38:44 sure sure you know you should switch drive meters 1.00

01:38:46 that's the third dress they've shrunk this room

01:38:47 I haven't seen Daphne in a while

01:38:50 is it my imagination

01:38:51 no six squares a day

01:38:53 that's not like her

01:38:55 maybe she's depressed that's when I eat

01:38:58 you said anything to her

01:38:59 no timing is very delicate in something like this

01:39:02 Roz I thought I'd wait until after she gets too big 1.00

01:39:04 to catch me but before she needs the motorized 0.86

01:39:06 scooter. You didn't eat your quiche? Are you kidding? It's to be like pulling the rib cord

01:39:11 on my thighs. It's nothing but cheese and butter and pastry. I'm baking. Are you sure you don't mind?

01:39:20 Okay. I loved this show so much. I can't think of a show that I've enjoyed more than Frasier.

01:39:27 Niles Crane is one of the funniest characters ever to deign to be on The Small Box. But now

01:39:34 she's speaking out she's written a book and she would like to apologize to everyone for allowing

01:39:41 this to happen because she feels that she was fat shaming all fat people by letting them write in 0.92

01:39:48 her pregnancy as somebody who is gaining weight this is ridiculous maureen i agree with you on 0.89

01:39:55 fraser great show like unparalleled the writing was incredible number two it's it's all it's 0.60

01:40:00 everything we've been speaking about it's like she's she needs to sell this book it's not selling

01:40:04 so now we've upped the ante right like i committed a crime against the culture committed a crime

01:40:09 against feminism you have to take things in the time that they were made yes you do and at the

01:40:14 time that that was made that was funny and it was a way of writing an actress's pregnancy into the 0.77

01:40:20 plot without making her pregnant in the show yes and it's a way of keeping a pregnant woman acting

01:40:25 on cam without jarring the audience into being like, why is she so big? Oh, she's pregnant. Oh, 1.00

01:40:32 wait, Daphne can't be pregnant. There's more to discuss. Oh, we'll pick it up there with 0.87

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01:43:49 Just to finish up the Frazier discussion,

01:43:51 so the Daily Mail is reporting that allegedly,

01:43:55 I don't know about this,

01:43:56 but in some corners, supposedly,

01:43:59 the fact that she went with this storyline

01:44:01 in which Daphne was sent to a, quote,

01:44:03 fat camp to hide her real-life pregnancy

01:44:05 during 2001's season eight

01:44:08 has attracted widespread criticism. 0.96

01:44:10 Taking advantage of previous quips about Daphne's weight, 0.99

01:44:13 producers decided to incorporate Leaves' pregnancy as excessive weight gain brought on by the

01:44:18 characters Extreme Overeating with Leaves donning a fat suit to hide her bump. She left. She had her 0.88

01:44:24 baby, a daughter named Isabella. She now apologizes for the storyline in her memoir, Daphne and Me,

01:44:31 and told The Independent that she was, quote, part of the problem by agreeing to, quote,

01:44:36 all these fat jokes. Quote, I think having a daughter, she was growing up at a time where

01:44:42 women were on the red carpet and were told you were too fat for that or she shouldn't be wearing 0.75

01:44:47 that. Well, I mean, that is every time. That is still today as well. It was just unbelievable. 1.00

01:44:53 It was like bullying, paid bullies tearing you down. And I think as women, we just suddenly went,

01:44:59 wait a minute, enough. Did we? I don't know. I think we're still criticizing women who are

01:45:04 enormous on the red carpet because it's just, there are certain standards of beauty that are 0.84

01:45:09 universal. Thinking that my daughter may have to go through something like that where she's torn 0.99

01:45:14 apart for the way she looks for her body. It hit me hard. Well, welcome to America and life.

01:45:19 I feel like I became a little part of the problem back then with all these fat jokes. I was somehow

01:45:24 too comfortable sliding into that and it wasn't right. Again, she should have been grateful that

01:45:29 any Hollywood crew in 2001 was willing to put a pregnant woman on the air all throughout her 0.95

01:45:34 pregnancy. But now wait, listen to this. Speaking to The Telegraph back in 2004, which was 12 months

01:45:41 after the birth of her son, Finn, so she has at least two kids, leaves. She had the daughter in

01:45:47 2001, and here's Finn in 2004, a boy. Leaves ruled out the possibility of having any more children,

01:45:55 citing the impact it had on her physical appearance as a major reason. 1.00

01:46:00 Whoa. 0.99

01:46:01 When you get pregnant, everything spreads, she said. 1.00

01:46:03 Your pelvis separates. 0.89

01:46:05 You get gaps between your teeth.

01:46:06 I went up a shoe size with each of my kids.

01:46:08 My feet just grew, but no one tells you that, do they?

01:46:11 My hips and teeth went back together again, thank God.

01:46:13 But look at this. 1.00

01:46:14 She lifts a booted foot in the air.

01:46:16 It's not small.

01:46:17 Dainty it ain't, says the writer.

01:46:19 So I can't have any more children,

01:46:20 or I'll never be able to buy another pair of shoes again.

01:46:23 But this is like, what did, pick a lane.

01:46:26 Wow, that actually, that really, that's dark.

01:46:29 Right?

01:46:29 Because her kids, I used to give my mother a lot of, like, she loved to say this to me every time it was around my birthday.

01:46:40 You know, like, giving birth to you is really difficult.

01:46:44 You know, it was 24 hours, 24 hours.

01:46:46 You know, I didn't know if I was going to do it again after you.

01:46:48 And I'm like, I'm not to blame here.

01:46:51 I'm sorry.

01:46:51 What am I supposed to do with this information, you know, that this was such a trauma for you?

01:46:55 but like that is like she's saying she's saying my vanity is more important than the number of

01:47:03 children i might like to have like my teeth separated i've never heard of that i've never

01:47:09 heard of that i've had three children nothing happened to the teeth you know your pelvis

01:47:12 separate like i'm not like my feet are too big like i can't do that now like if i'm her kid i'm

01:47:17 like what what you know it's the same thing with who was alanis morissette like her 15 year old

01:47:22 has to go to school and hear that your mom, Hey, your mom came out as pansexual. 0.94

01:47:28 I'm sure it's great for them at school right now. Great. Right. Honestly, this, and this is like, 1.00

01:47:33 to me, this mirrors what Molly Ringwald did when she came out and was like, I, I have nothing but

01:47:39 disdain for all the movies that I was in. Um, pretty in pink and 16 candles. What was the name

01:47:46 of that director? Mike John Hughes. Oh, John Hughes, John Hughes. Yeah. Thank you. I was

01:47:50 thinking Mike Nichols, but no, it's John Hughes. He made her a household name to this day. People

01:47:56 of a certain generation, everybody knows who Molly Ringwald was. And she's angry about the

01:48:02 plot lines and like 16 candles. My God, it was like 1986. Lighten up. No, no one with a brain

01:48:08 is looking back at that saying tsk, tsk. And no one needs you to apologize. You don't hear Emilio

01:48:14 Estevez doing that or all the other people from Breakfast Club, like just all, all John Hughes

01:48:20 wants to hear from Molly Ringwald is thank you. So she wrote that essay for the New Yorker. I

01:48:27 think she's fancies herself in New York intellectual these days. Uh, she wrote it, uh, post George

01:48:32 Floyd. You know, it was very chic to be like, everything's racist, you know? And she was,

01:48:35 I think speaking about that character, it was problematic, but like in the eighties,

01:48:40 it was not sorry today it is um the uh the kid who was in the house for like two for the weekend 0.57

01:48:46 the asian kid long duck long duck dong right even now you're laughing megan it's funny 0.98

01:48:52 it's funny not sorry i'm not sorry about the trannies either the greatest tragedy of that 0.98

01:48:59 movie is that michael schoffling who played jake he was so hot gave it all up yes and like went to 0.95

01:49:05 live in pennsylvania and be a furniture maker which tells you a lot about hollywood because

01:49:08 That guy could have been a major star.

01:49:10 He was so incredibly good looking.

01:49:12 We all wanted to sleep with Jake,

01:49:15 even those of us who were virgins when we watched the show.

01:49:17 He was presented as the perfect boyfriend.

01:49:20 I mean, that scene where he's waiting for her in front of the car.

01:49:24 Yes.

01:49:25 I mean, yeah.

01:49:26 With the music, just the right sound.

01:49:29 They picked such great music for the 80s movies. 1.00

01:49:32 In any event, shut up, Molly Ringwald. 1.00

01:49:35 No one wants to hear it. 1.00

01:49:36 And shut up, Jane Leaves. 1.00

01:49:37 Like, stop, don't ruin Frasier for me because I got a real problem with that. 1.00

01:49:40 I loved that show.

01:49:43 So we were, we were talking in the break with, it's a funny story about B.B.

01:49:48 Newerth.

01:49:49 You were making the point about how genius it was that they never showed Maris, Niles's

01:49:54 wife.

01:49:55 Ex-wife. 1.00

01:49:56 Yeah.

01:49:56 Who they was afraid of. 1.00

01:49:57 She was wife and then became a ex. 0.99

01:49:59 Right, right, right.

01:49:59 And then he wound up with Daphne.

01:50:01 But they just talked to her about her like she had no pigment, you know, like she was

01:50:05 This is a vampirist type of character.

01:50:07 And it was very funny.

01:50:09 And then we got on to Bebe Neuwirth, who was Lilith,

01:50:11 Frazier's wife and the next wife,

01:50:13 and how talented she really is in real life.

01:50:15 And I saw her in Chicago.

01:50:16 And then I was telling you that my friend John O'Hurley was in Chicago.

01:50:20 He's Mr. Peterman from Seinfeld, Elaine, among many other things.

01:50:26 And he and his wife Lisa have become dear friends of ours over the years.

01:50:30 And we, Doug and I, Doug and I tried to cook them Thanksgiving dinner one year in an episode

01:50:39 that would genuinely scar all four of us for the rest of our lives.

01:50:42 I just want to say, I see what you're doing here.

01:50:44 You brought Doug in very prominently.

01:50:46 Doug, Doug and I.

01:50:48 Okay, so.

01:50:49 He has slightly more cooking skills than I do, but only slightly more.

01:50:54 I will say Doug, he always thinks I'm saying this just to get him to do it.

01:50:57 But Doug does have, like, the thing in the kitchen where, like, you got to eyeball it to figure out what level of salt should be in there.

01:51:05 Like, he actually does have some innate talent.

01:51:09 He only has, like, three dishes he can cook, but they're all very good, and he does have that talent.

01:51:13 I don't.

01:51:14 I'm like, recipe, buy the book if I do anything.

01:51:17 It doesn't matter how many times I've made the meal.

01:51:18 I have to follow the recipe or things go badly. 1.00

01:51:22 So like a couple of idiots, we invited John and Lisa O'Hurley over to our New York City apartment 1.00

01:51:28 to make not just any dinner, Thanksgiving dinner for them. 1.00

01:51:33 We only had Yates at the time.

01:51:35 We had our first child.

01:51:36 He was a baby.

01:51:37 They only had Will.

01:51:39 They would continue only having Will.

01:51:42 So we only had two children, and they were there.

01:51:46 It was a disaster of epic proportions.

01:51:49 proportions. I started, I've told this story, but where I started going wrong was I went to

01:51:55 Whole Foods. I did the shopping. I bought five bags of groceries and I left two at the Whole Foods

01:52:01 and I didn't realize it until like Thanksgiving morning. It was only the day before that I had

01:52:09 bought the groceries, but I left them and Whole Foods was closed. It was closed the day that

01:52:15 Thanksgiving. What were you missing? Like everything. All I had was the turkey and I did

01:52:21 have a stuffing and that was it. We didn't have gravy. We didn't have mashed potatoes. We did not

01:52:25 have any greens, no appetizers, nothing, just the turkey and stuffing. So that, okay. I mean,

01:52:32 those are the two most important things, but okay. Those were a challenge for a non-chef anyway.

01:52:39 The problem was you do need gravy.

01:52:42 Like you got to have gravy with turkey and stuffing.

01:52:45 So I'm like, Doug, we didn't want to tell them

01:52:48 because they were already taking a risk coming over.

01:52:49 Like you got to get out to the Gristides,

01:52:53 which is like a, you know, you know what it is,

01:52:55 but it's like the CVS.

01:52:56 Like you got to get to Gristides and they have some groceries.

01:53:00 And I'm like, see if you can get some gravy.

01:53:01 Gristides was closed.

01:53:03 So he had, he wound up going to like the equivalent of CVS.

01:53:06 Anyway, long story short,

01:53:07 all he could get was one packet of the gravy flavoring. That's it. One little powdered. Yes.

01:53:16 Powder one. That's all that was left. So I'm like, Oh my God. So you put it in and it starts

01:53:20 off promisingly enough where you add the water and it's like, it fills up the big pot. You know,

01:53:25 I'm like, Oh, this is, we're going to be fine. So I start stirring it and it's shrinking Maureen,

01:53:30 it's shrinking and it's getting smaller and smaller. I'm like, well, I don't need gravy

01:53:34 and I'm stirring. I'm like, well, Lisa's so skinny. She doesn't need gravy. She'll be fine

01:53:39 without gravy. Like, well, Doug doesn't need gravy. It wound up being literally like a teaspoon

01:53:46 full of gravy. Like John, John, here's your dollop of gravy. So then the bird was in the oven and

01:53:54 we put it in one of those big silver trays that's like disposable, you know, and we didn't have

01:54:00 anything. We didn't have a proper tray, what have you. And smoke started billowing out of the oven

01:54:07 and we didn't understand it because we were watching it very carefully. We knew we were

01:54:11 at risk of burning things and it wasn't time to take it out. So we run in there and the smoke's

01:54:18 billowing. So we open up the oven and we pull out the tray and it's now leaking. It's leaking all

01:54:24 these juices. Something's happened and those juices had caused a fire in the oven. Meanwhile,

01:54:30 our two shih tzus, this is how long ago this was, are running around the kitchen. Thank God they 1.00

01:54:35 had a bunch of fur because they probably would have been burned. But the drippings are getting

01:54:39 on them. And now they are in a nonstop lick fest of each other. They taste like turkey.

01:54:49 But now the turkey is now a Christmas vacation, Clark Griswold level dry. It has no juices. And

01:54:59 i only have one thimble full of gravy so that's not gonna save me and when this smoke started

01:55:06 billowing out of the kitchen and doug and i had already been in a panic and he had left to go to

01:55:10 the christines and come back and what you hear john o'hurley yell from the next room i've got

01:55:16 jean georges on speed dial that's a great guest that's a great guest no would you believe they

01:55:26 are such good friends. They ate it. They did. They're the dearest, nicest people. But they did

01:55:32 not volunteer to come by the next year. They said, why don't we go out? Why don't we go to

01:55:38 Jean-Georges? And we have spent Thanksgiving with them a couple of times. Never again did we try to

01:55:43 cook. So what do you do on your Fakesgiving? Who takes care of the food? We had our Fakesgiving

01:55:48 last weekend. It was wonderful. My family comes and we pretend it's Thanksgiving. We sort of do

01:55:53 it before the actual holiday where everyone can come and it's just a lot easier on especially

01:55:58 my sister's kids who are young and making their careers and like they don't always get the day

01:56:03 um we oh of course we have a catered yeah oh you have no i would i mean i would

01:56:08 never try to cook for like a group of people thanksgiving dinner oh my god it was that i mean

01:56:14 i'd be endangering them uh so no we do have a catered and that and everything was delicious

01:56:18 it was very juicy turkey there was plenty of gravy to this day when i see the gravy like i

01:56:23 appreciate it like nobody else on earth. I'm like, you don't, you don't know what a difference this

01:56:27 makes. Everyone here is taking it for granted. I just love the image of you, like with the

01:56:33 powdered gravy and the saucepan with the water and like your vanishing prospects for a good

01:56:38 Thanksgiving dinner. It's evaporating. It's evaporating. The only ones who won were the dogs.

01:56:45 They were so happy. Yeah, they're easy to make happy. Anyway, so happy Thanksgiving to all of

01:56:51 you on the actual thanksgiving day we will be going out to eat at this sweet little restaurant

01:56:55 that does its own thanksgiving dinner so we will enjoy that but i will not have to cook and i will

01:56:59 not have to clean up and i will be thrilled and you're you're doing something fun you're i'm going

01:57:04 to rhode island i'm going to see family friends and i'm very very excited um i've they got a new

01:57:12 home and um one of their children is one of my god daughters i'm very excited i can't wait now

01:57:18 And do you bring – do you, like, make a meal or do you bring something?

01:57:21 No, no, no.

01:57:22 I go to the farm stand out on Long Island where I'm at, which is, like, they do – like, you get – like, they're brilliant.

01:57:28 They're brilliant.

01:57:29 They're so brilliant that, like, they have been offered, like, people who work at major publishing houses, like, we'll give you a huge contract for a cookbook.

01:57:38 Like, they could be whatever.

01:57:40 And they're like, no, this is it.

01:57:41 This is what we do.

01:57:42 It's, like, generations-old family farm.

01:57:44 They know who they are.

01:57:44 They know exactly who they are and they're, like, salt of the earth and their stuff isn't –

01:57:47 They're what Dakota Johnson claims she is.

01:57:51 Exactly, exactly, exactly. 0.90

01:57:53 They genuinely don't want publicity.

01:57:54 They genuinely don't want publicity.

01:57:56 So when you go to the Thanksgiving dinner, can I just ask?

01:58:00 This is like a thing.

01:58:02 What is the plate?

01:58:03 Is there something you have to have and something you eschew?

01:58:07 And also when it comes to the desserts, what's your fave?

01:58:09 I love the dark meat and I love a leg, which I love a leg.

01:58:15 I find it's juicy.

01:58:15 It's got a little bit of crispiness to it.

01:58:17 But I love a potato, like the Irish person I am, I love a potato.

01:58:22 I love a nice martini with that meal.

01:58:26 And I like a very wholesome American dessert, like some apple crumble, apple pie, a little tiny scoop of like whole vanilla ice cream.

01:58:37 Like that's like hits the spot.

01:58:39 That's it.

01:58:39 It sounds delicious.

01:58:40 What about you?

01:58:41 I go, my kids love dark meat.

01:58:43 I like the white meat breast. I mean, yeah. Vanilla E I guess, but that's what I go for.

01:58:49 I do put the gravy on it. I used to eat the mashed potatoes all the time. I don't, I don't,

01:58:56 I kind of limit the carbs a little and I prefer the stuffing. So if I'm going to do one,

01:59:00 I go for the stuffing, even though the mashed potatoes are definitely healthier for you.

01:59:04 But I think I'm trying, I have childhood trauma over the mashed potatoes because

01:59:08 every year growing up, we would all go to my Nana's. We would get our mashed potatoes.

01:59:13 And, you know, you make the little moat in the middle for the gravy.

01:59:17 And my brother would always take his fork and ruin everybody's moat so it would come flowing out.

01:59:23 So I don't do the mashed potatoes anymore.

01:59:26 I like a green bean.

01:59:27 I would definitely put a green bean on there or salad.

01:59:30 And I do love cranberry sauce.

01:59:32 And I know people have strong feelings on this.

01:59:35 I love it all.

01:59:36 I would take the actual berries.

01:59:37 that's what the caterer made, like the kind that you spoon on from like a bowl that's got like

01:59:43 actual cranberries in there. We always growing up had the sliced, you know, from the can, from the

01:59:49 can. Same. Delicious. Okay. I've never been a cranberry person and every Thanksgiving, my

01:59:54 mother, she would have, she would have the canned cranberry. It was like her joy. I love that. And

02:00:00 she would, you know, and then put it out. It's like, okay, everybody who wants the cranberry?

02:00:05 And everyone was like, nobody wants a cranberry.

02:00:08 You should add me.

02:00:09 The trick, I think, with the cranberries, you've got to get a couple more things on the fork.

02:00:13 You've got to get a little turkey with gravy, maybe a dollop of stuffing, and then you add a taste of the cranberry for just Thanksgiving goodness.

02:00:22 My mother treated it as a vegetable or something.

02:00:27 It was a whole serving of something else.

02:00:29 But I'm with you.

02:00:30 I love a good stuffing.

02:00:31 And so this is the Long Islander in me.

02:00:33 This is really the true Long Islander in me.

02:00:35 I love nothing more than stovetop stuffing.

02:00:40 Yeah, yes.

02:00:40 I find it very satisfying on Thanksgiving.

02:00:42 Yeah.

02:00:42 I love the kind of brownies that come from a box, like Duncan Hines brownies.

02:00:47 And actually, so the family friends I'm going to go see, the wife said to me, so what do you want for dessert?

02:00:55 And I said, what's your favorite dessert?

02:00:56 I said, I really love Duncan Hines brownies in a box.

02:01:01 And she was like, yeah, I'm not doing that anymore.

02:01:03 I'm not doing boxed food anymore.

02:01:04 She's on a whole like nature kick.

02:01:06 She's like, oh, and I said, what about, oh, you'll love this.

02:01:09 I did get me, by the way, your recommendation of Catherine Hepburn's me.

02:01:13 Oh, good.

02:01:13 The book, right?

02:01:13 I got it.

02:01:15 And, but she went through this phase where she, she was in love with Catherine Hepburn's

02:01:20 brownie recipe.

02:01:21 Oh.

02:01:22 Catherine Hepburn had like this famous brownie recipe and she, I was like, can you just make

02:01:25 me Catherine Hepburn's brownie?

02:01:27 No, they come from a box.

02:01:28 Oh, come on.

02:01:29 I know.

02:01:30 I get what I get.

02:01:31 It's too much work.

02:01:32 Like on the dessert front, this year I went for pumpkin pie and it is delicious with like

02:01:37 a little whipped cream or a little vanilla ice cream on the side of that.

02:01:40 That stuff, I was like, it's so good.

02:01:43 But you said apple crumble.

02:01:45 Yeah.

02:01:46 I would take that over anything.

02:01:47 Oh, so good.

02:01:48 It's not in the, it's above apple pie.

02:01:51 I think so too.

02:01:52 The apple crumble is particularly delicious.

02:01:55 And yes, I do eat that on Thanksgiving.

02:01:58 I will say our neighbors, who I absolutely adore, we have the best neighbors, one year they brought over the most delicious smelling peach cobbler as like a gift to us.

02:02:13 It was the nicest gift.

02:02:14 He had made it with his own hands, and we knew that we could not keep this in the kitchen because of Strudwick, so we moved it out to the bar area, which is outside of Strudwick's domain.

02:02:26 Like he has to stay in the family room, kitchen, mudroom area of the house, and he is not allowed to roam.

02:02:33 And we went to eat it later that evening or the next day.

02:02:38 I can't remember, but we went to eat it.

02:02:41 We did not see it in the bar.

02:02:43 We're like, that's so weird.

02:02:44 But like if Strudwick has gotten to it in the bar, like he's somehow managed to escape, you'll see the remnants of like the plate, you know, like, but there was nothing.

02:02:54 So I was like, maybe somebody moved it.

02:02:56 Like, maybe somebody thought it was going to spoil and put it in the refrigerator.

02:02:59 I don't know.

02:03:00 Like, what happened?

02:03:01 And everybody was looking forward to it.

02:03:03 I mean, it smelled delicious.

02:03:04 It looked delicious.

02:03:05 It was handmade by our neighbor with love.

02:03:07 I'm like, it's got to be here.

02:03:09 Like, I'm going crazy.

02:03:11 And we're looking. 0.99

02:03:12 The whole family is now in there looking for it because everybody wants this damn peach cobbler. 0.99

02:03:16 And then I see something on the floor, Maureen. 0.98

02:03:19 I'm like, what's that?

02:03:21 It's like tucked underneath the sort of rim of where the cabinetry ends.

02:03:25 And it is the outer edge of the glass pie plate.

02:03:32 Stop it.

02:03:33 We pull it.

02:03:35 I mean, not a crumb, not a single speck of cinnamon was left.

02:03:42 That dog ate the whole thing.

02:03:45 But are you saying that Strudwick had the presence of mind to hide it?

02:03:51 Or do you think it was just a lock of the way it fell?

02:03:54 No, Stradwick got out of his area. He got in that bar. He got up on his hind legs. He got that pie tin. What do you call it? The glass, you know, the pie round that was holding the cobbler. He got it down on the floor. He devoured it, every single morsel of it. And then I think just in the licking of it, maybe he had to shove it against the wall for like leverage to get every single morsel that it kind of slid under to where we could.

02:04:22 And it wasn't even broken.

02:04:23 It was there intact, 100%, without one little crumble left.

02:04:30 So he didn't really leave a paw print, really.

02:04:32 It's like a very clean crime scene.

02:04:33 It was.

02:04:34 It's very impressive.

02:04:35 It was inches away from a clean getaway.

02:04:37 But we wanted that cobbler so badly.

02:04:40 And then I never had the heart to tell my neighbors.

02:04:41 They're probably learning about it for the first time right now because it was such a

02:04:45 generous gift.

02:04:45 They were so sweet to make.

02:04:46 I didn't have the heart to tell them.

02:04:48 It was terrible.

02:04:49 Oh.

02:04:50 I know.

02:04:50 So is he locked up for, do you lock him up for Thanksgiving?

02:04:55 You know what we do now?

02:04:56 We give him to the dog walker for the day.

02:04:59 Very smart.

02:04:59 And Thunder too.

02:05:00 Because the caterers are there, like they cannot be trusted.

02:05:03 So we set out the appetizers in like the living room where she, again, he's not allowed to

02:05:08 go in there.

02:05:09 He's special needs.

02:05:10 You have to live defensively when you live with Stradwick.

02:05:13 But we, I, she, she made among other appetizers like chicken wings and they were sitting like

02:05:20 on a low coffee table and I was having PTSD just like seeing them there. I'm like, Oh my God. Like

02:05:27 if he came in and Doug and I were laughing, I was like, what would he do if we actually tried saying

02:05:31 strut? No. And we both laughed. We had such a good deli laugh. That would not say he said what I

02:05:37 believe, which is it would just make him go faster. Like they're going to take me away from

02:05:41 these in a second. How many can I get down? So no, he has to be out of the house for that particular

02:05:46 their day thank god for our our dog walker she's a miracle worker and she's great with our dogs

02:05:51 anyway so this is a long diversion but here's to all of you and thanksgiving send us your

02:05:55 thanksgiving traditions and debacles of the emails megan at megankelly.com all right let's back get

02:06:02 back to some of these stories i definitely want to hear your take on selma blair i know you covered

02:06:05 the meltdown on the plane brilliantly she's apologizing again she had to do this after her

02:06:13 last on-air or in-air meltdown. Now it happened again where she, just to refresh the listener,

02:06:20 she had some sort of a massive meltdown where she reportedly tried to open up the plane door

02:06:25 in flight. She denied that later, but there were witnesses. And then she attacked a flight

02:06:31 attendant or two, and then she got taken away by an ambulance when she landed, and she attacked

02:06:37 a cop and a nurse and she's been charged and is facing at least state charges now and they could

02:06:44 be added to. So now finally, took her long enough, she decided to go on cam and post an apology to

02:06:51 Instagram. Here it is, at 12. Hi, it's me and I know I've been quiet for a couple weeks since

02:06:59 October 11th and you deserve to hear from me directly and I'm sorry that it's taken this long.

02:07:07 There is a legal matter going on, and my lawyers have asked me to not say anything about that day.

02:07:15 And I'm listening to them.

02:07:19 And I take this very seriously.

02:07:25 What I can tell you, though, is very simple and the truest thing I know about myself

02:07:33 and that not one day ever have I intended to hurt or frighten anyone a day in my life.

02:07:45 And so to the people that I disappointed, that I hurt, that I frightened, alarmed,

02:07:53 I am so sorry.

02:07:58 This is very odd to me.

02:08:00 Like the people that she hurt are individuals like the cop and the nurse and the flight attendant who deserve a personal apology, not some Instagram post.

02:08:11 So this seems to me to just be PR.

02:08:14 Yeah. 0.92

02:08:15 You know, she repeatedly kicked a police officer in the head in that ambulance.

02:08:20 She hospitalized, I believe, one of the people she assaulted.

02:08:24 Um, you know, the, the kind of language that a people magazine uses is not the proper language.

02:08:31 They'll say that, that one of them like sustained a laceration.

02:08:34 No, she bit somebody and broke skin, which means you have to go to the hospital and at

02:08:40 least get a tetanus shot at least probably all the biting. 1.00

02:08:44 She loves to bite. 1.00

02:08:45 She, that, that, that, um, statement, that video statement goes on in which she, she

02:08:50 then says, um, so yeah, I'm sorry.

02:08:53 And she claps her hands and she puts them down here like this.

02:08:55 And it's almost like, I'm sorry.

02:08:56 Okay.

02:08:57 I'm sorry.

02:08:57 That's it.

02:08:58 Are you satisfied now?

02:08:59 It's over.

02:09:00 Can I get on with my life, please?

02:09:01 You know, I've been a menace in the skies twice now, twice.

02:09:04 This may be felony because the FBI, it's like multi-state because you're in the air.

02:09:09 Yes.

02:09:10 Yes.

02:09:11 The charges relate to who she heard on the ground.

02:09:13 Ah, okay.

02:09:14 Okay.

02:09:14 And what could be coming are federal charges based on what she did in the air.

02:09:18 Yes.

02:09:19 And, you know, she begins by saying, you know, my lawyers are asking me not to discuss this, so I can't discuss it.

02:09:24 Well, what are you doing here, lady?

02:09:25 Yeah.

02:09:25 What are you doing here?

02:09:26 It's PR.

02:09:27 You know, and her people have been planning these stories that, you know, everybody's terrified for Selma.

02:09:33 Who?

02:09:34 Who's terrified?

02:09:34 I'm not terrified for Selma.

02:09:36 I'm terrified for myself if I ever find myself in an airport lounge with her, let alone on the same flight.

02:09:42 Right.

02:09:42 You know?

02:09:42 Don't give her the emergency exit seat, whatever you do. 0.96

02:09:45 Seriously, like strap her in.

02:09:47 she should be on a no fly list by now she should she i think both incidents were on delta yeah

02:09:52 delta at a minimum she'd say you're no longer welcome to fly delta airlines yeah i mean i

02:09:56 think it's time one incident would do it for any normal person yeah and then the nerve her lawyer

02:10:01 went in there and was like given all the good she's done for society she shouldn't have the 0.99

02:10:05 book thrown at her and the judge to the judge's credit was like you're not pulling that shit in 0.97

02:10:10 here don't don't try to get special so right treatment for her and so it's like i don't i 0.97

02:10:15 don't know what's going on with selma blair i just think like they should throw the book at her she 1.00

02:10:19 is a repeat offender she should there should be absolutely no break cut for her because she's 1.00

02:10:24 claimed like four different illnesses i don't know which one she's claiming did this but like

02:10:29 whatever it is you're not controlling it and you become a menace to society you hurt a lot of

02:10:35 people you endangered a whole plane load of people like i'm kind of over the nonsense around her i

02:10:39 kind of want her to just skulk off and go deal with whatever whatever the hell the issues are 1.00

02:10:43 You know, prison is is great because it's a great deterrent. Right. Like, I doubt if Selma Blair does even a year, she'll come out and like ever think that publicly assaulting people, assaulting people in general is in any way like appropriate.

02:11:01 You're so right about the lawyer who had the, like, you're in a New York City courtroom.

02:11:07 You're in Queens, New York. 0.91

02:11:08 You're going to say to a judge there at, like, midnight after she's cut loose from Jamaica

02:11:13 Hospital, which means that there was nothing psychologically wrong with her.

02:11:16 She was fine.

02:11:17 Oh, you should treat my client.

02:11:19 You should give her special treatment.

02:11:20 You know why? 1.00

02:11:21 She's a Hollywood actress. 1.00

02:11:22 Yeah, all the good she's done.

02:11:23 And he didn't cite, oh, she's helping abused children, or she's helping dogs who can't

02:11:29 be housed, or whatever.

02:11:29 like it was like acting she was illegally blonde she acted in a couple of movies um i'm not sure

02:11:37 that gets you special treatment uh sir we have some of it let's watch it stop 14 you want to

02:11:43 make a record that what she's done for people what she's done as a human being should be

02:11:48 at least acknowledged counsel thank you for your arguments my ruling still stands i just wanted you

02:11:55 to know i didn't ask for special treatment just an acknowledgement at the same time of her action

02:11:59 and conduct that has a body. So I've made my ruling. I understand, but I asked you for a

02:12:03 discretionary ruling, not under the statute. You put it. Okay. My discretion is used and

02:12:10 it's the implication counsel. I'm not going to go through it. It's on the record

02:12:14 that you're trying to use her status to have the court in its discretion change the bail.

02:12:22 she knew what she's done for the people like being a hollywood actress does that get her

02:12:29 something more than like the people who go in there every day an underemployed one at that

02:12:35 you know the the talk about like marching something the thing that a lot of people

02:12:40 i've spoken to about that video that she did and i would love to know too who makes that shirt that

02:12:45 she's wearing that blouse in the video apology video yeah can we run that again now i need to

02:12:50 pay better attention hold on let's see this again hi it's me she got the white cuffs yeah the cuffs

02:12:58 and the collars white and it's like it's got this like stiffness to it but you can tell it's soft

02:13:03 okay i can find out i'm gonna find out uh sarah you know you know oh yeah do you think she can

02:13:08 find out she's very good at finding out things like that she's got she's got the internet wired

02:13:12 and the pant too is like really it's like this like as we've said yellow is hard to pull off 0.98

02:13:16 Look at her hair, Maureen. 1.00

02:13:18 Oh, the hair is awful. 0.99

02:13:18 The hair is awful. 0.98

02:13:20 It looks like a bad 70s wig on a boy.

02:13:23 You know, like maybe like, remember Nicholas from 8 is Enough?

02:13:26 Oh, that's a great reference.

02:13:29 You know?

02:13:29 That is like the Nicholas bowl cut.

02:13:31 What's going on?

02:13:33 It looks like she hasn't washed it in like a week.

02:13:36 But look at the skin.

02:13:37 The skin looks great.

02:13:38 That's like a no makeup makeup.

02:13:40 Yeah, yes.

02:13:41 Glowy.

02:13:42 Like she looks healthy. 1.00

02:13:43 Does she look like someone who would rip open a plain door to you? 0.95

02:13:45 Isn't she trying to tell us she's not healthy? 1.00

02:13:47 Shouldn't she have gone with the, like, homeless look if she wanted us to believe she's got a brain disorder, right? 0.90

02:13:53 I don't know. 1.00

02:13:53 She wasn't blaming this on her MS.

02:13:55 It was like something else she was blaming it on.

02:13:57 She originally, I think, blamed it on skippings, her MS medication, which we heard from a lot of people who have MS, and they're like, that's not how that works.

02:14:06 It doesn't cause you to try to open up a plane door.

02:14:08 And bite people and kick people in the head. 0.94

02:14:11 No, it's not how that works. 0.99

02:14:12 But then she switched it to some other ailment.

02:14:14 I can't remember.

02:14:14 It was long and hard to pronounce, I think.

02:14:17 Some sort of neurologist.

02:14:18 She claimed she has MS and plus something else.

02:14:21 Oh, I know what it is.

02:14:22 It's Ehlers-Danlos syndrome.

02:14:24 Oh, is that what it was?

02:14:25 It's also claimed by Lena Dunham.

02:14:28 I can't keep up.

02:14:29 I know.

02:14:30 I can't.

02:14:30 Like, honestly, trauma.

02:14:32 Again, more trauma.

02:14:34 Trauma status.

02:14:35 Status through trauma.

02:14:36 Exactly.

02:14:37 Billy Bush.

02:14:38 Credit Billy Bush with that addition to the lexicon.

02:14:41 And so much more.

02:14:42 Great to see you, my friend.

02:14:44 Always great.

02:14:44 Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

02:14:46 Enjoy your time out east.

02:14:47 And I will enjoy my time at the restaurant.

02:14:49 Enjoy, enjoy.

02:14:50 I know you will.

02:14:51 All right.

02:14:51 Lots of love to be continued.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 13, 2026

Meghan Markle's Brand in Free Fall, Amy Griffin's Reputation Rehab, and Selma Blair's Strange Apology, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1441

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