The Megyn Kelly Show - Megyn Kelly's Appearances on Spot On with Link Lauren, Next Up with Mark Halperin, and The Nerve with Maureen Callahan

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00:00:30.760 Hey everyone, it's Megan and Kelly.

00:00:32.220 Today we are bringing you some MK Media highlights

00:00:34.720 that feature my appearances on each of our MK Media shows.

00:00:39.100 I'm helping these guys promote their shows

00:00:40.980 and we're sort of cross-pollinating

00:00:43.480 and it's been super fun and actually really interesting.

00:00:46.260 For me, it's fun to go on their shows and see like what they can do.

00:00:49.060 What kind of an interviewer are they?

00:00:51.500 Something I did not know until they joined the MK Media Network

00:00:55.000 which thanks to all of you is just doing so well.

00:00:58.340 I'm super grateful to this audience.

00:01:01.180 I know that you are the ones making these other shows a success

00:01:04.500 and it's just so cool.

00:01:07.420 Just thank you.

00:01:09.080 So the hosts of these shows turn the tables on yours truly.

00:01:12.180 I was a guest on Spot On with Link Lauren,

00:01:14.360 next up with Mark Halperin,

00:01:15.820 and The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.

00:01:18.480 Take a look at our fun combos

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00:02:37.680 Well, this next guest really needs no introduction.

00:02:45.920 Like I told you, she's an icon, she's a legend,

00:02:48.880 but she looks way too young to be an icon and a legend.

00:02:52.300 We have the one and only host of the Megan Kelly show,

00:02:56.200 Megan Kelly herself.

00:02:57.380 She is the reason we are here right now.

00:02:59.240 She is the reason I'm no longer filming videos

00:03:01.160 on my phone with crappy quality.

00:03:03.220 We have a high-definition camera.

00:03:04.900 We have a microphone.

00:03:05.660 So Megan, welcome to the show.

00:03:07.680 We could not be happier to have you.

00:03:10.040 I mean, as usual, Link, you are spot on.

00:03:12.560 Thank you for that lovely introduction.

00:03:15.020 Thank you for being here.

00:03:16.160 We will skip the pleasantries.

00:03:17.440 I was telling the team,

00:03:18.400 we don't need to waste one second of your time.

00:03:21.100 I wanna dive into this first topic.

00:03:22.860 There's this young, 22-year-old,

00:03:25.320 beautiful abortion rights activist named Olivia Juliana.

00:03:29.180 She works with the DNC.

00:03:30.720 They really highlighted her during the convention.

00:03:33.080 They had her on camera.

00:03:34.040 She was on stage.

00:03:34.840 She works very closely with the DNC.

00:03:37.040 But she's gone viral the last few days

00:03:39.060 because she is their new secret weapon they're using

00:03:41.460 to reach young men.

00:03:42.640 We have a clip.

00:03:43.360 Let's take a look and then discuss.

00:03:46.360 Don't actually spend time talking to young men.

00:03:50.800 You know this because we know each other in real life,

00:03:53.660 but I spend a lot of time on college campuses.

00:03:56.420 And I spend a lot of time with young men.

00:03:58.120 I love young men.

00:03:59.900 I love frat guys.

00:04:02.200 And in that, I've realized, like,

00:04:04.500 even the ones that identify as conservative

00:04:06.340 are almost always pro-choice.

00:04:09.380 They're almost always pro-gay marriage.

00:04:11.400 You'd be surprised at the number of them

00:04:13.060 who support a Black Lives Matter.

00:04:15.240 And so I feel like people just kind of lump them into this box

00:04:18.560 when the truth is, again,

00:04:21.220 a lot of them are with us on the issues.

00:04:23.560 They're just not part of our coalition

00:04:25.100 because they feel like they're not welcome to them.

00:04:27.280 Okay, Megan, we have talked about this for years on the right.

00:04:31.620 Somehow these folks at the DNC have decided in June of 2025,

00:04:35.740 you know what?

00:04:36.400 Men have left the Democratic Party.

00:04:38.160 They've decided to wake up to this fact.

00:04:40.840 Do you think the Democrats are in good hands

00:04:42.660 with this woman at the helm?

00:04:43.860 She says she goes to all these frat houses

00:04:46.120 and young men are fired up about Black Lives Matter.

00:04:49.000 I've never met a young man who is fired up

00:04:51.500 about Black Lives Matter, Megan.

00:04:52.820 Oh, I wonder what fraternities these could possibly be.

00:04:57.180 Speaking on behalf of all Syracuse University graduates,

00:04:59.760 there isn't one there that would be open-minded

00:05:02.080 to Juliana coming in to discuss her views on abortion and BLM.

00:05:05.940 I mean, this is ridiculous.

00:05:06.980 Is this their answer?

00:05:08.180 As Republicans and right-minded independents,

00:05:11.260 I think we can heave a huge sigh of relief

00:05:12.980 if this is the solution to their problem.

00:05:15.280 I mean, this is so, like, it's so funny to me

00:05:18.080 that they need to study.

00:05:19.240 They need to study young men

00:05:20.560 to try to figure out how to speak to them.

00:05:22.120 You know, the New York Times had that article

00:05:23.480 where they were saying,

00:05:24.540 we've got to take a hard look at the syntax

00:05:26.360 Republicans are using in dealing with young men

00:05:30.240 because that's the way into their hearts.

00:05:32.280 Well, why don't you stop saying you don't hire men?

00:05:36.980 Like, we don't have to go all that deep.

00:05:39.460 We don't need $20 million on a focus group.

00:05:41.920 How about removing the effective sign

00:05:44.620 from outside of all of corporate America

00:05:46.460 that says we don't hire white

00:05:48.660 and we don't hire white men?

00:05:50.720 That might really open up some avenues for you

00:05:52.880 with voters.

00:05:53.700 I mean, it's just absolutely absurd

00:05:55.580 that they're spending time with this woman.

00:05:57.540 And by the way, not for nothing,

00:05:58.660 no offense to Juliana,

00:05:59.520 but if you really want to make inroads

00:06:00.820 with young college-age men,

00:06:02.620 I think you'd be hiring somebody

00:06:03.860 who could be, like,

00:06:05.440 on one of those commercials

00:06:07.140 for the big hamburgers

00:06:08.400 that used to be on the Super Bowl all the time.

00:06:10.320 You're like, you need one of those girls

00:06:12.000 who could have, like, a hose on her

00:06:13.580 while she eats a big cheeseburger.

00:06:15.280 I don't know why it works with the young men.

00:06:17.520 I, like, someone will have to explain it to me,

00:06:19.220 but I know it does.

00:06:21.300 No, they need someone

00:06:22.300 from, like, a Carl's Jr. Super Bowl commercial.

00:06:24.700 That's what it is, Carl's Jr.

00:06:25.280 Like I've been saying, it's always...

00:06:27.300 I said this the other day on a show.

00:06:28.840 These abortion activists who are saying,

00:06:30.760 we need more abortion clinics,

00:06:32.180 more Planned Parenthoods,

00:06:33.380 we are pro-choice, pro-choice, pro-choice,

00:06:35.320 they never have any romantic prospects.

00:06:37.840 They look like Chewbacca.

00:06:39.080 No one's going near them.

00:06:40.200 So I'm like, I think you're safe

00:06:41.540 being an abortion rights activist.

00:06:43.100 I think you are good.

00:06:44.100 But you brought up this article

00:06:45.380 that we saw last week in the New York Times.

00:06:47.520 $20 million to study how young men speak.

00:06:51.620 Why don't you go sit down and talk to Charlie Kirk?

00:06:53.960 Why don't you actually talk to young men?

00:06:55.960 I think young men are also tired of apologizing

00:06:58.440 for their masculinity.

00:06:59.960 And in the left, they just don't feel welcome.

00:07:02.020 And you're raising young boys who are becoming men.

00:07:04.500 What advice do you give to your young men

00:07:06.380 as they're going out into the world?

00:07:07.880 Because it's such a polarizing environment.

00:07:09.780 Now, if you ask a girl out at the water cooler,

00:07:11.860 she could turn around and say,

00:07:13.320 you made me feel uncomfortable, right?

00:07:14.700 It seems like there's this almost overcorrection now

00:07:17.220 where a lot of guys don't feel comfortable doing anything.

00:07:20.380 No, I worry about that environment for them.

00:07:22.380 I mean, they're still young.

00:07:23.340 My kids are young, so they haven't yet had to cross these bridges.

00:07:25.920 But I do worry about that stuff.

00:07:27.960 Like the crazy, me-too, googly-eyed women

00:07:30.780 who think anybody who doesn't ask for permission

00:07:32.940 before they lean in for a kiss

00:07:34.240 is the equivalent of a Harvey Weinstein.

00:07:36.500 I mean, these women are nuts.

00:07:38.540 I mean, I would say to any mother or father of young boys,

00:07:41.640 go on offense.

00:07:42.680 If your son gets, you know, any inkling

00:07:45.040 that he's in a me-too situation over a nothing burger

00:07:48.080 like the one I just outlined,

00:07:49.740 you gotta go on offense.

00:07:50.960 You should send your son first to the dean

00:07:53.240 to say, I'm being wrongfully disparaged by this woman

00:07:56.320 saying to her friends, I'm this or I'm the other thing

00:07:58.640 after a completely consensual activity.

00:08:01.060 You know, like I would never let somebody do that to my kid

00:08:03.780 and I don't think anybody should allow it to happen to theirs.

00:08:06.920 I do think that like, part of the huge problem

00:08:10.260 the Democrats have with young men is the woke-ism.

00:08:13.260 And so it's like the irony of her saying they're pro-BLM.

00:08:15.780 That's bullshit.

00:08:16.560 But by the way, if they're saying they're pro-BLM,

00:08:19.620 they're literally just saying it.

00:08:21.580 They're saying it because they've been told

00:08:23.680 they have to say, okay, I'm pro-BLM

00:08:26.340 and they have to post the black square on my Instagram

00:08:28.260 or I'm canceled before I even get my first job.

00:08:30.620 So she's too dumb to realize that it's just pro-

00:08:33.380 you know, it's pro-LACTIVE.

00:08:34.440 It's pro-FILACTIVE.

00:08:36.700 So secondly, I watch my kids go through this

00:08:39.820 every other week at a non-woke school

00:08:42.700 is Women's History Month,

00:08:45.540 African-American History Month,

00:08:46.940 Native American History Month,

00:08:48.900 you know, Pride Month, now we're in.

00:08:50.400 Like truly, the kids are like, oh,

00:08:54.100 they don't feel any of these.

00:08:55.840 They don't feel like I'm really super into black history now.

00:08:59.100 Tell me more about the great women of America

00:09:01.540 and what they've done.

00:09:02.820 They're like, oh, I mean,

00:09:04.940 and it's not just my kids who have, you know,

00:09:07.120 grown up with my husband and me being like that.

00:09:09.480 It's all of them.

00:09:10.760 They're all pretending.

00:09:12.340 But these morons in the Democrat Party

00:09:13.780 want to keep pushing it

00:09:14.920 and, you know, study syntax instead.

00:09:17.840 Right.

00:09:18.340 I mean, I would love to see your son

00:09:21.660 bring home a liberal girl with blue hair sometimes.

00:09:24.680 I would love to see the dinner table

00:09:26.260 if they brought home a liberal.

00:09:27.500 But you also mentioned something.

00:09:28.560 I remember the night you endorsed President Trump.

00:09:30.500 And we don't have a clip.

00:09:31.300 I'm just thinking about this now.

00:09:32.560 The night you endorsed President Trump,

00:09:33.760 I remember you turned around

00:09:35.040 to the guys in hard hats and you said,

00:09:37.300 what kind of society can we have?

00:09:39.080 How as women can we feel protected

00:09:40.820 if our men are being beaten down

00:09:42.900 and they're not being taken care of?

00:09:44.520 And I thought that really encapsulated

00:09:46.040 this issue with the Democratic Party right now.

00:09:48.700 I think a lot of these guys,

00:09:50.340 they're tired of seeing their girlfriends,

00:09:52.300 their daughters, their wives,

00:09:54.120 having their bathrooms infiltrated

00:09:55.920 or their sports teams infiltrated.

00:09:57.560 You look at someone like Peyton McNabb, right?

00:09:59.740 They are tired of seeing their girls getting beat up.

00:10:02.180 And it's why they're leaving the Democratic Party

00:10:04.020 because they're tired of the nonsense.

00:10:05.840 Don't you think that's a part of it,

00:10:07.060 that they have this desire to protect the homeland,

00:10:09.820 to protect the women in their lives,

00:10:11.120 the guys who have balls?

00:10:12.940 Yes.

00:10:13.440 I was, you know what?

00:10:14.140 Last night, my kids are now on summer vacation.

00:10:16.900 So we stayed up late on a Sunday night.

00:10:18.580 We were watching Zero Dark Thirty.

00:10:21.060 Remember the movie?

00:10:21.600 I love that movie, yes.

00:10:22.780 It's so good.

00:10:24.400 Yeah, that shows how they caught Bin Laden.

00:10:26.980 And it was, you look at that movie.

00:10:29.580 Yes, it completely shows what a heroine,

00:10:31.620 this still unnamed CIA agent was,

00:10:34.320 the female agent.

00:10:34.940 So that's great.

00:10:35.720 But like those badasses at the end,

00:10:37.880 when you've got like the Navy SEALs getting on board,

00:10:40.220 those Black Hawk helicopters,

00:10:41.540 they weren't Black Hawks,

00:10:42.260 but they were, you know,

00:10:43.020 stealth helicopters to go to Abbottabad.

00:10:44.720 That's like badass, amazing, hot masculinity

00:10:50.740 at its finest, right?

00:10:52.760 Like those are men.

00:10:55.660 And every man has that piece in him,

00:10:58.920 that sort of the protector, fighter,

00:11:02.080 don't F with me or my family or my country mentality.

00:11:06.600 It gets beaten out of them

00:11:08.740 by a woke, submissive, weird left

00:11:12.260 that's decided to just,

00:11:14.900 that it's not attractive to be a true man anymore.

00:11:17.980 And I mean, no woman wants that.

00:11:20.020 No even gay man wants that, right?

00:11:21.740 It's like, we miss our real men.

00:11:24.460 So I think, right, like it's like, I don't know.

00:11:27.260 I feel like the more we encourage

00:11:30.140 what's a natural instinct

00:11:32.600 in virtually every single man alive,

00:11:34.740 which is to be a protector,

00:11:35.920 to be a fierce protector and a warrior,

00:11:38.280 the better off we'll be,

00:11:39.860 the better off the Democrat party would be.

00:11:41.440 But they've lost the ability

00:11:42.580 to connect with that at all.

00:11:43.800 Their entire thing is the weird,

00:11:45.920 Birkenstock-wearing, man-bun,

00:11:47.960 Merce-wearing guy who's super effeminate

00:11:51.020 and in touch with his feelings,

00:11:52.180 which is not attractive.

00:11:54.700 And it's not attractive to be.

00:11:56.800 Not only it doesn't attract the opposite sex,

00:11:58.380 it doesn't attract men to the party

00:12:01.000 because they don't want to associate with that.

00:12:02.540 And it's incongruous

00:12:04.460 with their own God-given instincts.

00:12:07.660 Absolutely.

00:12:08.200 No, I think these men are just tired of apologizing.

00:12:10.220 Their masculinity is toxic.

00:12:11.640 If they try to explain something,

00:12:13.800 they're mansplaining.

00:12:14.820 If they're sitting comfortably,

00:12:16.100 they're man-spreading.

00:12:17.100 There's always just this negative lean

00:12:18.920 to everything on the left.

00:12:20.640 But speaking of a man

00:12:21.700 who's also been beaten down into a show,

00:12:24.000 we have to move on to Prince Harry,

00:12:25.940 the Duke of White Castle,

00:12:27.520 the Duke of Waffle House.

00:12:29.000 He and Meghan Markle,

00:12:30.380 the wannabe duchess,

00:12:31.700 okay,

00:12:31.940 the Duchess of Sun Damage,

00:12:33.420 she's back in the news today

00:12:34.900 because there's some new articles out.

00:12:36.180 I just wanted to run through some of them quickly

00:12:37.840 because we had a real deep top of the show

00:12:40.940 with the horrific violence yesterday in Boulder.

00:12:42.860 We just wanted to have some fun with you

00:12:44.560 and discuss Harry and Meghan.

00:12:45.660 So there's this article that came out

00:12:47.020 that Meghan Markle really did expect Harry

00:12:50.080 to be a billionaire when she met him.

00:12:51.860 She was incredibly disappointed to find out

00:12:53.840 he's only worth a couple million

00:12:55.460 and she's going to have to actually work

00:12:57.220 and hawk these jams and jellies and dog biscuits

00:12:59.660 to have the lifestyle that she wants.

00:13:01.640 I personally think,

00:13:03.040 and I'd love to get your take on this,

00:13:04.620 I think Meghan would leave Harry in a second

00:13:06.760 if a billionaire would scoop her up.

00:13:08.940 I think she'd be in divorce court tomorrow

00:13:10.560 if like an Elon wanted to take her out.

00:13:12.680 But I don't think a lot of billionaires

00:13:14.180 want a 45, 46-year-old duchess

00:13:17.160 with multiple marriages and all that baggage.

00:13:19.340 Meghan, what do you think?

00:13:20.760 I completely agree.

00:13:22.920 And by the way,

00:13:23.700 she's already gotten the benefit of her bargain with Harry

00:13:25.680 because she got the title.

00:13:26.780 That's what she wanted.

00:13:27.480 She wanted to be world famous.

00:13:28.920 She wanted the title.

00:13:29.780 You remember when Harry was single,

00:13:31.160 he was the elephant.

00:13:32.600 He was the one,

00:13:33.440 the most eligible bachelor on earth.

00:13:36.120 You could be a royal.

00:13:37.480 You could become world famous overnight.

00:13:40.480 You could live in a castle.

00:13:41.880 You could have access to the crown jewels.

00:13:43.820 You would be a princess.

00:13:45.200 My God, yes, he could have had his pick

00:13:47.480 except for the people who weren't PR whores

00:13:50.520 because like his prior girlfriends broke up with him,

00:13:53.340 at least the last two reportedly

00:13:54.860 because they did not want this lifestyle.

00:13:56.980 They actually didn't want to be famous.

00:13:58.260 They wanted like a normal life

00:13:59.840 before they could just fall in love for real

00:14:01.260 and raise a family.

00:14:02.380 But this woman is nothing but a publicity whore.

00:14:05.560 It's a term of art.

00:14:07.100 And she, I, you know,

00:14:08.920 we broke the news that she had Prince Harry

00:14:11.860 on her vision board when she was younger.

00:14:15.620 And that was her goal.

00:14:17.540 Hashtag goal to marry Prince Harry.

00:14:19.120 So it was all about getting the title.

00:14:20.880 She's done that now.

00:14:21.900 Now she's just stuck with this depressed ginger

00:14:24.620 who has absolutely no family,

00:14:26.700 no friends and no money.

00:14:28.260 This was not hashtag part of the plan.

00:14:30.300 So what is she supposed to do now?

00:14:31.720 Now, if she's smart and she is that,

00:14:33.980 she's very savvy.

00:14:35.260 She will find a way to bounce past him

00:14:36.940 to some other taker

00:14:37.980 who might actually just love the guy.

00:14:40.980 She will take her royal kids

00:14:42.540 who can still go by Prince and Princess

00:14:44.540 and find the billionaire, like you say,

00:14:46.820 who actually will just keep her

00:14:47.900 in the manner to which she'd like

00:14:48.720 to become accustomed.

00:14:49.680 But as you point out,

00:14:50.740 it gets trickier

00:14:51.500 because these billionaires

00:14:52.460 can sense one thing.

00:14:53.640 When you're not looking for a partner,

00:14:55.160 you're looking for a solution.

00:14:56.900 And that's obviously the lane

00:14:58.420 that Meghan Markle's in now.

00:14:59.620 She doesn't make really her own money.

00:15:01.120 This whole Netflix thing is just a ruse.

00:15:03.060 We all know this is made up

00:15:04.660 just to give her something to do.

00:15:07.060 Her miraculous renewal

00:15:08.540 for her second season,

00:15:09.940 which was already shot in full

00:15:11.880 by the time the first season was done,

00:15:13.560 meaning they just made some extra episodes

00:15:15.040 and decided to roll out

00:15:16.700 a fake second season as a PR plan,

00:15:19.140 hasn't fooled anybody.

00:15:20.540 Now they're saying

00:15:21.140 they're not even sure

00:15:21.820 if she's going to make more jam.

00:15:23.400 That thing's already dwindling on the vine.

00:15:26.060 Everything she touches turns to shit.

00:15:28.040 And I think every, you know,

00:15:30.080 sort of creative person behind her

00:15:32.500 or deep pocket behind her knows

00:15:33.920 it's an extraordinary risk.

00:15:35.780 She's too toxic to touch.

00:15:40.180 Absolutely.

00:15:40.840 So speaking of the reality show,

00:15:42.900 the cooking show,

00:15:43.480 I saw the same story.

00:15:44.480 She's already tired

00:15:45.220 of selling the jams and jelly.

00:15:46.680 She's like,

00:15:47.220 well, we might restock in 2026.

00:15:49.820 I think there's no demand.

00:15:51.200 I also think she's lazy.

00:15:52.780 I don't think she wants to work.

00:15:54.300 She should actually run for Congress

00:15:55.780 as a Democrat like Jasmine Crockett

00:15:57.540 because they don't want to work.

00:15:59.000 They want to twerk

00:15:59.700 and sit around and film videos.

00:16:01.040 So I think she should actually run for office

00:16:03.080 because Meghan Markle

00:16:03.860 you're lazy.

00:16:04.820 So we also have a clip

00:16:06.020 from her reality show.

00:16:07.500 She posted a deleted scene

00:16:09.620 where she's showing some bizarre

00:16:11.520 pineapple hack.

00:16:13.020 Let's take a look

00:16:13.820 and then talk about it.

00:16:15.780 A trick that people do with pineapple,

00:16:17.600 instead of just cutting it

00:16:18.620 to make the perfect little bite,

00:16:21.140 you follow the wedge.

00:16:22.960 When nature has given you

00:16:24.260 all the cues

00:16:25.020 on how to have a perfect taste of something.

00:16:26.840 Oh, how fun is that?

00:16:28.000 I love it.

00:16:30.800 This woman is being paid

00:16:32.840 millions of dollars

00:16:34.000 to show how to cut into a pineapple.

00:16:36.860 Also, I thought the pineapple

00:16:38.060 was the international symbol

00:16:39.460 for swingers.

00:16:40.400 I think maybe she was like symbolizing

00:16:42.000 she's down to party,

00:16:43.260 down to have some fun.

00:16:44.360 Are you taking cooking advice

00:16:45.940 from Meghan Markle in the kitchen?

00:16:47.800 Oh my God.

00:16:48.560 I mean, let me tell you this.

00:16:49.720 Like, first of all,

00:16:50.960 there's a reason that was deleted.

00:16:52.140 She really should go

00:16:53.220 with her producer's instincts, okay?

00:16:55.200 Second of all,

00:16:56.400 who the hell is sated

00:16:57.960 by one tiny little bite of pineapple?

00:17:00.640 The reason we cut it,

00:17:02.260 the way we do,

00:17:02.900 is because you eat it

00:17:03.620 almost like a watermelon

00:17:04.460 or at least half a watermelon slice.

00:17:06.440 It's very sweet,

00:17:07.400 but you want a little more.

00:17:08.260 Just one little bite?

00:17:09.240 That's like having

00:17:09.860 one little handful of popcorn.

00:17:11.620 It's impossible.

00:17:12.340 Nobody wants to do it that way.

00:17:13.880 Once again,

00:17:14.540 proving how unrelatable she is.

00:17:16.760 No, I wouldn't take any

00:17:18.360 of the advice on her show.

00:17:19.780 Maureen, as you know,

00:17:20.700 Callahan and I tried to recreate

00:17:22.040 this thing.

00:17:23.100 And the only thing

00:17:24.360 that was good

00:17:24.940 that she actually did

00:17:25.900 was the one pot pasta,

00:17:28.200 which she very clearly stole

00:17:30.900 word for word

00:17:32.360 from Martha Stewart.

00:17:34.380 And unbeknownst to me,

00:17:35.300 because I don't cook,

00:17:36.400 this is apparently

00:17:37.100 one of Martha Stewart's

00:17:38.220 famous recipes.

00:17:39.360 So she wasn't even clever

00:17:40.560 in her apparent thievery.

00:17:42.580 She just stole it,

00:17:43.900 relabeled it her own,

00:17:45.120 and then tried to act

00:17:46.040 like she'd come up

00:17:46.800 with this cool

00:17:47.320 one pot chicken thing.

00:17:48.740 After that,

00:17:49.300 it was just taking pretzels

00:17:50.600 from one bag

00:17:51.660 and pouring them

00:17:52.360 into another.

00:17:53.400 And by the way,

00:17:54.360 I have a never-before-heard

00:17:55.980 secret about her show

00:17:58.240 and our recreation

00:17:59.260 of the show.

00:18:00.620 She decided to make

00:18:01.660 microwave popcorn

00:18:02.660 by putting an ear of corn

00:18:04.260 into the microwave.

00:18:05.160 And magically,

00:18:06.060 it popped perfectly,

00:18:07.460 and then she put those kernels

00:18:08.840 into a little bag.

00:18:09.800 Oh, so cute.

00:18:10.900 And I remember watching this

00:18:11.820 thinking,

00:18:12.240 there's no way

00:18:13.100 that actually works.

00:18:14.200 But then when we did it,

00:18:15.740 my producer gave me

00:18:16.600 a little ear of corn,

00:18:17.340 we put it in there,

00:18:17.920 and it worked perfectly.

00:18:18.720 I'm like,

00:18:19.060 my God,

00:18:19.400 maybe this is the thing.

00:18:20.560 No, you know what?

00:18:22.260 It's a thing.

00:18:23.060 They take these little ears

00:18:24.200 of corn

00:18:24.540 and they treat them

00:18:25.720 with chemicals

00:18:26.460 that make them pop perfectly.

00:18:28.900 So now you've got

00:18:29.620 chemical-laden

00:18:30.720 popped corn.

00:18:32.640 You could have just gone

00:18:33.600 with Orville Redenbacher

00:18:34.640 who already did

00:18:35.320 all this work for you

00:18:36.380 without trying to pretend

00:18:37.400 that you're making

00:18:38.100 homemade popcorn

00:18:39.320 at home.

00:18:40.780 No, everything is a lie.

00:18:42.500 Also, don't tell Michelle Obama

00:18:43.980 that you don't cook.

00:18:45.020 You might be in good company.

00:18:47.200 So they're telling me

00:18:47.920 we have two minutes.

00:18:49.020 I want to get to

00:18:49.700 one last woman

00:18:50.540 who is also insufferable

00:18:52.040 and she's in the news

00:18:52.780 right now.

00:18:53.460 That is Taylor Swift.

00:18:55.240 So Taylor Swift

00:18:55.820 bought her master's back

00:18:57.180 for $300 million.

00:18:58.740 We're happy

00:18:59.460 she has her music back.

00:19:00.760 If you're not in the weeds

00:19:01.840 in the music industry,

00:19:03.020 no one cares that much.

00:19:05.100 But we had this discussion

00:19:05.980 last night, my team.

00:19:07.240 Do we think Taylor Swift's

00:19:08.560 clout is down, right?

00:19:09.920 She lost all her awards

00:19:11.100 at the Grammys,

00:19:12.040 every American music award.

00:19:13.420 She also endorsed

00:19:14.500 Kamala Harris.

00:19:15.220 That went terribly for her.

00:19:16.900 Do you think

00:19:17.340 this is her low moment?

00:19:18.500 Is she down in the weeds, Megan?

00:19:19.880 Is Taylor Swift kind of over?

00:19:22.220 Yeah, I think she is.

00:19:23.320 And she did it to herself.

00:19:24.540 She got political.

00:19:25.760 There was no reason for it.

00:19:27.700 You look around

00:19:28.240 at the Hollywood actresses

00:19:29.920 and the movie stars

00:19:31.060 and the singers

00:19:31.940 who choose not to get political.

00:19:34.080 And they're either

00:19:34.760 very smart Democrats

00:19:36.500 or they're Republicans, right?

00:19:38.660 Because Republicans know

00:19:40.020 they can't come out

00:19:40.760 with their politics

00:19:41.420 because they'll get, you know,

00:19:42.440 loathed and canceled

00:19:43.720 by their industry.

00:19:44.820 And very smart Democrats know,

00:19:46.460 as the Michael Jordan rule says it,

00:19:48.520 Republicans buy sneakers too

00:19:49.780 and Democrats buy sneakers too.

00:19:51.280 And why would you alienate

00:19:52.400 half your fan base?

00:19:53.360 It's not worth it.

00:19:54.720 You know, I was recently told,

00:19:57.120 for example,

00:19:58.380 Renee Zellweger

00:19:59.360 keeps her politics

00:20:01.360 very quiet

00:20:02.380 for a reason.

00:20:04.280 She's from Texas.

00:20:05.260 You can figure it out

00:20:06.440 from there.

00:20:07.720 But Taylor Swift

00:20:08.920 thought she was too big

00:20:10.580 for the rules to apply to her.

00:20:12.400 And as it turns out,

00:20:13.520 she's subject

00:20:14.340 to the rules of gravity

00:20:15.540 just like every other human

00:20:17.400 on Earth,

00:20:18.300 no matter how much

00:20:19.480 she can fool

00:20:20.100 14-year-old girls

00:20:21.400 into thinking

00:20:22.180 she's some sort of a role model,

00:20:23.680 even though her entire history

00:20:24.940 is getting dumped

00:20:26.500 by a series of men

00:20:27.700 and not to land

00:20:28.960 into a marriage

00:20:30.140 or a family

00:20:30.980 by the time she's

00:20:31.840 in her mid to late 30s.

00:20:34.020 So Taylor Swift

00:20:34.940 thought the rules

00:20:35.500 didn't apply to her

00:20:36.180 and that she could

00:20:36.700 get political,

00:20:37.920 that she could

00:20:38.460 not only get political

00:20:39.500 and endorse Kamala,

00:20:40.440 but actually tell the world

00:20:41.520 that the reason

00:20:42.140 she was endorsing him

00:20:43.200 is because of

00:20:44.140 tampon Tim Walz

00:20:45.700 and their weird stance

00:20:47.700 on LGBTQ issues,

00:20:49.260 which includes

00:20:50.020 transing children

00:20:51.180 and seizing custody

00:20:52.320 of them

00:20:52.820 from parents

00:20:53.740 who will not support

00:20:55.280 the alleged transition.

00:20:56.900 That's Tim Walz for you.

00:20:58.140 And he was the reason

00:20:59.480 she endorsed.

00:21:00.640 So yeah,

00:21:01.040 it cost her.

00:21:02.060 And guess what?

00:21:02.820 The whole country,

00:21:03.860 there's a groundswell

00:21:04.700 behind Republicans,

00:21:06.380 conservatism,

00:21:07.600 conservatism,

00:21:08.520 whatever,

00:21:09.040 I can't speak too early.

00:21:10.400 And President Trump.

00:21:12.080 President Trump's

00:21:12.600 more popular than ever.

00:21:14.580 And the Republican Party

00:21:15.600 is too.

00:21:16.100 There are new data

00:21:16.840 out on that today.

00:21:18.320 So she chose

00:21:19.180 the wrong team.

00:21:20.160 So like Oprah,

00:21:21.560 she had her heyday,

00:21:22.680 it's over,

00:21:23.360 and now she's coming

00:21:24.340 to grips with the reality

00:21:26.000 that her opinion

00:21:26.960 politically means nothing.

00:21:29.480 No one gives a shit.

00:21:31.760 She might be able

00:21:32.500 to sing the occasional

00:21:33.460 cute little bubbly song

00:21:35.040 that's meaningful

00:21:35.580 to a teenager,

00:21:36.760 just like Oprah

00:21:37.500 might be able

00:21:38.120 to fool somebody

00:21:39.020 in her 70s

00:21:39.880 that she's still

00:21:40.740 as relevant

00:21:41.180 as she was

00:21:41.900 in the 90s.

00:21:42.560 But regular people know

00:21:44.260 these are not people

00:21:45.180 we should be listening to

00:21:46.200 for advice

00:21:47.220 or their talk shows

00:21:48.440 or frankly,

00:21:49.120 let's face it

00:21:49.640 with Taylor,

00:21:50.580 her music either.

00:21:52.420 Hallelujah.

00:21:53.420 I couldn't have said it

00:21:54.560 better myself.

00:21:55.640 I think Taylor Swift's

00:21:56.740 sort of 2015

00:21:57.840 girl boss feminism.

00:21:59.600 She hasn't realized

00:22:00.340 the culture has moved on.

00:22:01.900 If she really wants

00:22:02.680 to protect women,

00:22:03.700 it's not Kamala Harris,

00:22:05.020 it's President Trump

00:22:05.820 who's trying to get men

00:22:06.580 out of women's sports

00:22:07.380 and secure the border

00:22:08.380 so we don't have

00:22:09.100 another Laken Riley

00:22:10.000 or Jocelyn Nungari.

00:22:11.140 I think if Taylor Swift

00:22:11.920 really had some gumption,

00:22:13.260 she would have come out

00:22:13.920 on the right side of history,

00:22:15.080 but it's why she got

00:22:16.060 her ass handed to her.

00:22:17.160 So I'm on your show tomorrow.

00:22:18.980 Maybe we can break down

00:22:19.940 some more of this,

00:22:20.900 but we are so grateful

00:22:22.500 to have you.

00:22:23.200 I could not be more grateful.

00:22:24.480 I was telling everyone

00:22:25.100 this is an A-list booking.

00:22:26.480 Oh my God,

00:22:26.900 we have Megyn Kelly

00:22:27.740 coming on the show.

00:22:28.560 This is a big booking, everybody.

00:22:30.680 So we are so grateful.

00:22:31.900 Thank you, thank you, thank you.

00:22:33.360 And I'll see you

00:22:33.900 in 24 hours.

00:22:35.180 So happy to do it.

00:22:35.940 So happy for your success.

00:22:37.200 Everybody is loving the show.

00:22:38.900 They email me

00:22:39.620 and at me directly.

00:22:41.300 And truly,

00:22:41.880 like it's genuine,

00:22:43.280 huge enthusiasm for you.

00:22:44.760 Sky's the limit.

00:22:45.580 Can't wait to see what you do.

00:22:46.380 Thank you so much.

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00:23:39.220 All right, next up with us

00:23:43.560 is the woman I call

00:23:44.560 the fairy godmother

00:23:45.600 of MK Media.

00:23:46.760 And when I say fairy godmother,

00:23:48.120 I mean godmother

00:23:48.740 like Marlon Brando,

00:23:50.340 godfather.

00:23:51.620 Tough but fair.

00:23:52.820 Megyn Kelly,

00:23:53.440 welcome to Next Up.

00:23:55.100 The pleasure's all mine.

00:23:56.380 Thanks for having me.

00:23:57.940 I'm going to take

00:23:58.620 the opportunity to,

00:23:59.900 in public,

00:24:01.020 do what I've done

00:24:01.600 in private,

00:24:02.040 which is thank you

00:24:02.760 for bringing me on

00:24:04.220 to be part of this.

00:24:05.120 Why does the world

00:24:06.100 now have

00:24:07.260 the MK Media Network?

00:24:09.220 Oh, I mean,

00:24:10.020 the honor is mine, Mark.

00:24:11.280 I'm thrilled

00:24:11.720 to be in partnership

00:24:12.440 with you.

00:24:13.340 You know,

00:24:13.720 it was one of those things

00:24:15.020 where the show

00:24:15.580 was doing very well

00:24:16.660 and we were thrilled

00:24:17.480 with that,

00:24:18.080 but I had so many stars

00:24:19.520 coming on regularly

00:24:20.520 who I absolutely

00:24:21.420 loved hearing from

00:24:22.300 and I thought

00:24:22.760 it'd be great to help them

00:24:24.360 get out there more.

00:24:25.680 And we've kind of figured out

00:24:26.760 how to market the show,

00:24:28.260 how to get clips out,

00:24:29.180 how to make sure, like,

00:24:30.380 the show gets the attention

00:24:31.320 that it deserves

00:24:32.020 and then the audience

00:24:32.940 will decide

00:24:33.460 whether they like the content

00:24:34.560 that we started

00:24:35.660 discussing internally.

00:24:36.620 How can we help

00:24:37.720 our favorites

00:24:38.260 do the same thing

00:24:39.240 and that's where

00:24:40.020 you came in?

00:24:41.300 All right.

00:24:41.520 Well, again,

00:24:41.980 very grateful to you

00:24:42.820 and to the extent

00:24:44.000 we're off to a fast start,

00:24:45.240 I would attribute it

00:24:46.240 at a very high percentage

00:24:47.360 to you and your colleagues

00:24:48.220 who have showed us

00:24:49.260 how to do it.

00:24:49.840 So thank you.

00:24:51.280 Halpern's rule

00:24:51.820 of interviewing,

00:24:52.780 I try to ask the people

00:24:53.920 questions they've never

00:24:55.360 been asked before,

00:24:56.240 at least not in public.

00:24:57.780 Okay, that's a tough one.

00:24:58.620 Let's see how I do.

00:24:59.900 I know it's going to be tough,

00:25:00.900 but I think I might be able

00:25:01.600 to do it.

00:25:02.000 Um, uh, first of all,

00:25:04.840 um, I find that the people

00:25:07.380 who are the most successful

00:25:08.540 on camera are great

00:25:10.360 broadcasters, as you are,

00:25:11.880 but also great

00:25:12.740 television producers.

00:25:14.260 Tell me what you know

00:25:15.200 about how to be a great

00:25:15.940 television producer.

00:25:16.760 What are the hallmarks

00:25:17.800 of being a great TV producer?

00:25:19.760 Well, I mean, I, I,

00:25:20.940 there's so many,

00:25:21.700 but I will say,

00:25:22.300 number one, um,

00:25:24.180 I do think,

00:25:25.200 and this is kind of a compliment

00:25:26.200 to both myself and you,

00:25:27.440 I think I'm a very good

00:25:28.920 spotter of talent.

00:25:30.920 Um, I think I, I have,

00:25:33.020 I don't know if it's all

00:25:33.580 those years I spent with

00:25:34.420 Roger under his wing or what,

00:25:35.900 but I definitely have an eye

00:25:37.380 for who will work and resonate

00:25:39.260 with an audience and who will not.

00:25:40.760 And I've almost never

00:25:41.740 been wrong on that.

00:25:42.600 So that's good.

00:25:43.400 That's good news for you too.

00:25:45.120 Um, I think, you know,

00:25:47.440 one of my main things is I,

00:25:49.020 I talk about my show, uh,

00:25:50.720 as follows.

00:25:51.320 It's like cool water

00:25:52.580 over a hot brain.

00:25:53.940 I want the audience

00:25:54.980 to never have to work for it.

00:25:56.360 I want it to be seamless.

00:25:58.200 It comes into their brain

00:25:59.440 effortlessly.

00:26:00.380 They walk away understanding it

00:26:01.560 without ever having had to try

00:26:03.180 to hit the 15 second rewind

00:26:05.340 to stop and say to the husband

00:26:07.200 or wife, what, what was that?

00:26:09.340 To, to define any small term

00:26:11.600 that may even arguably be confusing

00:26:13.680 and the audience,

00:26:14.880 if they know it will forgive you

00:26:15.960 that, you know,

00:26:17.000 five second explanation.

00:26:18.300 And if they don't,

00:26:19.280 they'll be forever grateful to you

00:26:20.460 for not assuming they did.

00:26:22.260 Um, I've got pet peeves

00:26:23.500 that are weird.

00:26:24.000 Like I, um,

00:26:24.780 I don't really like

00:26:25.500 wearing sound bites more longer

00:26:26.760 than 60 seconds.

00:26:27.600 I hate when people put graphics

00:26:31.380 on the screen that don't match

00:26:33.980 what the anchor is saying.

00:26:35.620 It is the most annoying thing

00:26:37.540 in broadcasting.

00:26:38.920 Like don't pop up some tweet

00:26:40.780 somebody said or posted

00:26:42.820 while the anchor speaking,

00:26:44.840 the brain doesn't know what to do.

00:26:46.640 Do I listen to this anchor?

00:26:48.060 Do I read with my eyes

00:26:49.120 what this post is?

00:26:50.460 Little things like that,

00:26:51.460 that have just, you know,

00:26:52.260 come to me over the years

00:26:53.100 that I think help give the audience

00:26:55.360 a pleasant experience

00:26:57.240 while they're watching the show,

00:26:58.480 whether they know it or not.

00:26:59.620 And then conversely,

00:27:00.740 people who don't do these things

00:27:01.940 are giving the audience

00:27:03.100 an unpleasant experience.

00:27:04.740 And the audience doesn't really

00:27:05.980 actively know why.

00:27:07.040 They just know,

00:27:07.620 I don't enjoy it

00:27:08.320 and they don't come back.

00:27:09.980 Spoken like a great TV producer.

00:27:11.860 All right.

00:27:12.640 Believe it or not,

00:27:13.480 we're 48,

00:27:14.140 only 48 hours past

00:27:15.520 your interview with

00:27:16.440 Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson

00:27:17.760 and the release of their book.

00:27:19.620 One of the things I tell

00:27:21.140 anchors who I work with

00:27:22.760 or young people

00:27:23.700 who want to be in TV,

00:27:25.040 a list of questions

00:27:26.100 is not a strategy.

00:27:27.400 If you're doing an interview,

00:27:28.580 you need a strategy.

00:27:29.780 What was your strategy

00:27:30.840 when you were interviewing

00:27:31.800 Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson?

00:27:34.240 Well, I did go back and forth

00:27:35.360 on how should I start it?

00:27:36.700 Should I start it

00:27:37.300 by getting into the facts

00:27:38.200 of the book

00:27:38.620 or should I start it

00:27:39.640 by really pushing him

00:27:41.360 on whether he's

00:27:42.120 the right messenger?

00:27:43.600 And in the end,

00:27:44.880 it just didn't feel like

00:27:45.620 I knew I had to get to

00:27:47.640 pushing him

00:27:48.680 on whether he's

00:27:49.380 the right messenger.

00:27:50.220 That could not be sacrificed.

00:27:52.260 We only had 40,

00:27:53.500 well, we had one hour

00:27:54.580 plus 14 minutes with him,

00:27:56.480 one hour with some breaks

00:27:57.420 plus 14 minutes.

00:27:58.360 And so I just,

00:27:59.380 it was,

00:27:59.860 that was the priority.

00:28:00.920 Get to that

00:28:01.460 and then whatever time

00:28:02.680 we had left,

00:28:03.280 I would do the substance

00:28:04.080 of the book in

00:28:05.200 and so that made sense to me.

00:28:07.600 And then there was a question

00:28:08.300 of how hard should I push him

00:28:09.460 because we are friends.

00:28:11.720 We're not like tight friends,

00:28:13.000 but we're friends.

00:28:13.560 We've been friendly,

00:28:14.360 I guess is a better way

00:28:15.160 of saying it

00:28:15.600 for some 15 years now.

00:28:16.820 I've never done anything

00:28:18.000 social with Jake,

00:28:18.980 but we like each other.

00:28:21.720 So it was kind of awkward,

00:28:23.260 you know,

00:28:23.720 I think he knew

00:28:25.220 because in the booking process

00:28:27.180 he and I had been in touch

00:28:28.180 that I was going to push him.

00:28:30.320 And he told me

00:28:31.160 before the interview

00:28:32.020 he wanted that

00:28:32.920 because he wanted to answer

00:28:33.980 the tough questions

00:28:34.700 for all of his skeptics.

00:28:36.300 So I felt like

00:28:37.000 we were on a good ground

00:28:37.980 to really,

00:28:38.680 for me to go for it.

00:28:39.960 Maybe,

00:28:40.420 maybe it was like

00:28:41.720 an eight and a half

00:28:42.620 when he thought

00:28:43.040 it might be a six and a half.

00:28:44.200 I'm not sure.

00:28:44.800 We,

00:28:45.140 I think we're fine,

00:28:45.920 but you know how it is.

00:28:47.440 It's like you have to go

00:28:48.360 with the flow

00:28:48.780 when the person comes on

00:28:49.600 and see if they're pushing back,

00:28:50.820 if they're giving it up.

00:28:51.940 You know,

00:28:52.260 if he had rolled over more

00:28:53.240 right at the top,

00:28:54.340 it wouldn't have been

00:28:54.940 as contentious as it got.

00:28:57.100 Right.

00:28:57.680 We were going to play

00:28:58.340 a two-minute soundbite

00:28:59.100 from the interview,

00:28:59.760 but I'm told anything longer

00:29:00.920 than a minute's a bad idea,

00:29:02.040 so we won't.

00:29:03.060 I mean,

00:29:03.500 to be honest,

00:29:04.020 I do make exceptions.

00:29:05.080 It depends.

00:29:05.960 All right.

00:29:06.240 Maybe we'll roll in some here,

00:29:07.720 two minutes or so.

00:29:09.460 Megan,

00:29:10.020 if we're going to do this,

00:29:14.080 let's just stick

00:29:14.860 to the facts here,

00:29:15.580 okay?

00:29:16.800 When there is a damaging report-

00:29:18.680 Jake,

00:29:18.700 that's what I've been doing

00:29:19.920 all along.

00:29:20.880 I'm talking about what you just said.

00:29:22.340 One of us didn't miss

00:29:23.020 the biggest story

00:29:24.060 of the century

00:29:24.880 when it comes to

00:29:25.560 presidential politics,

00:29:26.420 and one of us did.

00:29:28.040 If you hadn't done the interview

00:29:30.060 and Jake,

00:29:31.120 as your friend,

00:29:32.220 called you afterwards

00:29:33.100 and said,

00:29:34.140 hey,

00:29:34.320 how did I do

00:29:34.820 with that interviewer,

00:29:35.920 how would you say

00:29:36.560 Jake did in his interview

00:29:37.460 with you?

00:29:39.340 Well,

00:29:39.960 I'll be totally honest.

00:29:41.820 I thought

00:29:42.640 he could have done better.

00:29:45.740 Jake,

00:29:46.480 when he's more relaxed,

00:29:47.840 is much more conversational,

00:29:49.620 and I thought

00:29:50.620 in our interview

00:29:51.220 he sounded

00:29:52.440 almost affected a bit,

00:29:54.260 you know,

00:29:54.580 almost like he was

00:29:55.580 trying to be professorial

00:29:56.860 and maintain his cool,

00:29:58.480 and he kept repeating

00:29:59.680 that thing.

00:30:00.180 I look back on my coverage

00:30:01.080 with humility,

00:30:02.140 which sounded

00:30:02.820 PR-tested

00:30:04.360 and not really authentic.

00:30:06.900 There's a reason

00:30:07.360 it sounded PR-tested.

00:30:08.980 Yeah,

00:30:09.520 I know,

00:30:10.000 and I just think,

00:30:11.120 like,

00:30:11.620 that's the problem.

00:30:12.660 It's not just Jake's problem.

00:30:13.960 It's a problem

00:30:14.300 with a lot of people

00:30:14.900 who are stuck

00:30:15.360 in the cable news universe,

00:30:16.360 which is

00:30:16.900 they're not

00:30:18.700 their authentic selves

00:30:20.020 when they're on camera.

00:30:21.580 You know,

00:30:21.820 Jake is actually

00:30:22.500 a pretty relaxed guy

00:30:23.940 in your personal

00:30:25.220 interactions with him.

00:30:26.220 I do like him.

00:30:27.880 It's just on camera,

00:30:29.260 not everybody can do it,

00:30:30.680 and when they're feeling

00:30:31.580 on their heels,

00:30:33.120 not everybody can do it.

00:30:34.340 He would have been

00:30:34.900 much better served

00:30:35.680 by just completely owning

00:30:37.020 I'm embarrassed

00:30:38.440 right up top

00:30:39.040 and putting it

00:30:39.620 in his own words

00:30:40.420 so he could really

00:30:41.060 fill it out

00:30:41.640 and convince people of it.

00:30:43.560 How convincing

00:30:44.040 do you find his argument

00:30:45.520 that he acknowledges

00:30:47.300 he missed the story

00:30:48.320 but that there was no way

00:30:49.760 for him to actually

00:30:50.320 get the story?

00:30:52.620 I don't believe it.

00:30:54.320 I don't believe that.

00:30:55.260 I think he did

00:30:56.220 have the sources

00:30:56.840 and I just think

00:30:58.420 everyone went along

00:30:59.180 because they liked

00:31:00.080 the lie.

00:31:00.860 They were perfectly

00:31:01.360 happy with the lie.

00:31:02.660 You know,

00:31:02.820 Jake is articulating

00:31:03.740 it perfectly now

00:31:05.060 about how Trump

00:31:07.200 was viewed

00:31:07.600 as an existential threat

00:31:08.840 and when that's

00:31:09.580 how you see

00:31:09.980 your opponent

00:31:10.520 and many means

00:31:11.800 are justified

00:31:12.560 except he's still

00:31:13.960 not admitting

00:31:14.400 he was part of that

00:31:15.260 and that like

00:31:15.700 he talked about

00:31:16.380 how he didn't see

00:31:17.440 what Laura Trump saw,

00:31:19.140 what I saw,

00:31:20.040 what you saw

00:31:20.680 and one question

00:31:21.900 I wish I had asked him

00:31:23.020 was why not?

00:31:25.900 Have you spent any time

00:31:26.920 trying to figure out

00:31:27.920 why you didn't see it

00:31:29.260 because I would submit

00:31:30.600 he's not a Trump fan

00:31:32.560 and it colored his judgment

00:31:34.400 and it's probably still

00:31:35.700 coloring his judgment

00:31:36.420 right now.

00:31:37.420 Yeah, I mean again

00:31:38.320 you and I single-eyed Jake

00:31:39.920 because he wrote the book

00:31:40.840 but what we're saying

00:31:41.560 about him is true

00:31:42.420 of thousands of people

00:31:43.900 literally that you and I know

00:31:45.120 in newsrooms

00:31:45.960 across the country.

00:31:47.420 Senator Cotton

00:31:48.080 is going to be here later.

00:31:48.840 He put out a video

00:31:50.200 in 2020

00:31:51.280 saying

00:31:52.620 showing Joe Biden's

00:31:53.840 loss of mental capacity

00:31:55.860 and saying

00:31:56.460 this is a real danger

00:31:57.480 to the country

00:31:58.080 and I just think

00:31:58.880 they can't answer

00:31:59.940 the question

00:32:00.560 how can you say

00:32:01.880 you didn't see it?

00:32:02.920 Not were you

00:32:03.620 in private meetings

00:32:04.700 or off camera

00:32:06.860 during an interview

00:32:07.960 but just watching

00:32:09.320 the public performance

00:32:11.060 of Joe Biden

00:32:11.720 in the 2020 campaign

00:32:12.880 I just don't see

00:32:14.040 how they can say

00:32:14.740 they missed it

00:32:15.760 or they didn't see it

00:32:16.800 or they didn't have

00:32:17.480 the sources.

00:32:18.020 It was right

00:32:18.780 there.

00:32:19.980 Well this is one

00:32:20.460 of the things

00:32:20.920 I like about you Mark

00:32:22.200 is you are able

00:32:24.620 to report on both sides

00:32:26.100 objectively

00:32:26.900 no matter what

00:32:27.800 your personal preference is

00:32:29.000 and I feel like

00:32:30.480 I can do that too.

00:32:31.900 Obviously I'm a Trump supporter

00:32:32.940 I endorsed the man

00:32:34.140 and spoke at his rally

00:32:34.940 but I can still hit him.

00:32:37.480 I can see when he does

00:32:38.340 things that are controversial.

00:32:40.160 He didn't speak to me

00:32:41.200 for eight months

00:32:42.120 in 2023

00:32:43.460 because I did raise

00:32:44.960 some comments

00:32:45.460 about Trump.

00:32:46.540 he kept calling

00:32:47.620 Biden Obama

00:32:48.380 and he was making

00:32:49.300 references to World War

00:32:50.320 3 and I pointed out

00:32:51.620 he didn't like that.

00:32:53.060 That's you know

00:32:54.000 if you're doing

00:32:55.160 your job right

00:32:55.860 they are going

00:32:56.760 to dislike you

00:32:57.520 these politicians

00:32:58.300 even if you happen

00:32:59.860 to support them

00:33:00.780 politically

00:33:01.180 but more reporters

00:33:02.520 need to be able

00:33:03.020 to separate

00:33:03.580 their personal preferences

00:33:04.700 from their

00:33:05.940 reporting responsibility.

00:33:07.380 This next topic

00:33:09.300 could take two hours

00:33:10.300 but we don't have it

00:33:11.080 so I'll ask it briefly

00:33:13.060 and you can

00:33:13.580 weigh in a little bit

00:33:14.780 but I know

00:33:15.140 you have a lot of

00:33:15.900 I'm pretty sure

00:33:16.400 you have a lot of

00:33:16.780 thoughts on this.

00:33:17.560 You mentioned before

00:33:18.200 authenticity

00:33:18.780 and how we look

00:33:20.060 at our friends

00:33:20.580 who are not

00:33:21.020 unshackled as we are.

00:33:22.640 They're not

00:33:22.880 an independent media

00:33:23.700 and they're not

00:33:24.500 their authentic selves

00:33:25.400 on camera

00:33:26.060 or in their writing.

00:33:28.280 Why not?

00:33:29.320 Why can't they be

00:33:30.260 unshackled on cable news

00:33:31.920 or on broadcast

00:33:32.520 television news?

00:33:33.780 What is it

00:33:34.440 that keeps them

00:33:34.960 from doing

00:33:35.360 what you and I

00:33:35.960 are able to do now

00:33:36.860 so freely?

00:33:39.080 Well I think

00:33:39.460 there's many answers

00:33:40.880 to that.

00:33:41.360 One is

00:33:41.920 if you

00:33:42.380 mostly people

00:33:42.980 are Ivy League

00:33:43.780 you know

00:33:44.100 elite institution

00:33:45.020 educated folks

00:33:46.060 who they've had

00:33:47.660 a lifetime

00:33:48.020 of good approval

00:33:49.300 and coloring

00:33:50.320 within the lines

00:33:51.140 and making it

00:33:52.480 in the proper spaces

00:33:53.620 and so that

00:33:54.400 cultivates a certain

00:33:55.500 you know

00:33:56.340 I don't know

00:33:57.880 unwillingness

00:33:59.700 to show vulnerability.

00:34:01.700 They're only

00:34:02.620 used to

00:34:03.460 getting perfect A's

00:34:04.720 and pat it

00:34:05.420 on the head

00:34:06.000 playing by the rules.

00:34:08.080 Yeah it takes

00:34:08.760 a fair amount

00:34:09.500 of courage

00:34:09.960 frankly

00:34:10.280 to get rid

00:34:11.180 of that veneer.

00:34:12.380 Many did not

00:34:13.060 come up

00:34:13.400 under somebody

00:34:13.940 like Ailes

00:34:14.620 who saw that

00:34:16.020 in me

00:34:16.320 even though

00:34:16.640 I'm not

00:34:16.940 an elite

00:34:17.280 institution person

00:34:18.260 early on

00:34:19.900 but I was

00:34:20.380 trying to be

00:34:20.940 a perfectionist

00:34:21.620 saying that

00:34:22.740 doesn't work

00:34:23.240 on television

00:34:23.760 and the audience

00:34:24.780 can smell a phony

00:34:25.800 from a mile away

00:34:26.600 and so I was

00:34:27.020 given permission

00:34:27.680 by my boss

00:34:28.560 to let my guard

00:34:29.800 down

00:34:30.080 and I did

00:34:30.780 but even then

00:34:31.620 I think people

00:34:32.720 would say

00:34:33.020 that you could

00:34:33.420 see a big difference

00:34:34.020 between me today

00:34:34.920 and me while

00:34:35.580 I was on Fox

00:34:36.300 there's some

00:34:37.980 constraints in the

00:34:38.940 cable news universe

00:34:39.640 on just how much

00:34:40.760 of yourself

00:34:41.180 you can

00:34:41.820 and should show

00:34:43.140 the whole system

00:34:43.860 set up

00:34:44.680 to be supportive

00:34:45.780 of the platform

00:34:46.540 not exactly the anchor

00:34:47.960 and the discussions

00:34:49.700 are so clipped

00:34:50.900 and surface level

00:34:52.800 and cable

00:34:53.400 you don't have

00:34:54.980 two hours

00:34:55.620 to sit there

00:34:56.260 and just meander

00:34:57.280 and like think aloud

00:34:58.660 and have a funny moment

00:35:00.560 and drop a swear

00:35:01.440 if it's authentic

00:35:02.260 to you

00:35:02.600 you know

00:35:02.820 it's like

00:35:03.160 the whole system

00:35:04.540 is set up

00:35:04.920 to keep you

00:35:05.300 in a box

00:35:05.760 yep

00:35:06.580 and so many

00:35:07.320 of them

00:35:07.620 and you see

00:35:08.100 this everywhere

00:35:08.660 they're just

00:35:09.420 reading the prompter

00:35:10.160 and they're waiting

00:35:10.680 for the break

00:35:11.260 and then they're

00:35:11.880 waiting for the next break

00:35:12.840 and then they're

00:35:13.280 waiting for the show

00:35:13.820 to end

00:35:14.040 so they can leave

00:35:14.600 there's no sense

00:35:15.500 of I'm so excited

00:35:16.560 to be here

00:35:17.000 with my audience

00:35:17.660 I'm so excited

00:35:18.340 to talk to you

00:35:19.440 and that's true

00:35:20.740 of younger anchors

00:35:22.220 and reporters

00:35:22.780 but it's true

00:35:23.660 of some of the

00:35:24.080 very experienced people

00:35:24.980 they're not

00:35:25.420 they don't seem

00:35:25.920 to be actually

00:35:26.560 in the moment

00:35:27.400 enjoying what they're

00:35:28.240 doing

00:35:28.480 and so it seems

00:35:31.440 not just that

00:35:32.160 but Brit Hume

00:35:32.900 used to say to me

00:35:33.500 there are a lot

00:35:33.980 of news actresses

00:35:36.120 in this business

00:35:37.280 you're not one of them

00:35:38.520 right

00:35:38.900 but it's true

00:35:40.580 for men too

00:35:41.240 they're news actors too

00:35:42.480 these are like

00:35:43.020 people who are

00:35:43.560 failed Hollywood

00:35:44.700 wannabes

00:35:45.420 who settled

00:35:46.320 for TV

00:35:47.040 so they could see

00:35:47.960 their mugs

00:35:48.540 on television

00:35:49.280 and feel important

00:35:50.120 and they're not

00:35:51.000 excited to be there

00:35:51.780 they just want

00:35:52.200 to be a star

00:35:52.940 so for them

00:35:54.160 it's about

00:35:54.580 a performance

00:35:55.340 as opposed to

00:35:56.420 oh my gosh

00:35:57.520 I'm excited

00:35:58.080 about the news

00:35:58.720 I can't wait

00:35:59.280 to talk to you

00:35:59.860 about the news

00:36:00.440 which I think

00:36:01.300 is closer

00:36:01.740 to how you feel

00:36:02.360 about it

00:36:02.740 and me too

00:36:03.960 either I'm excited

00:36:04.740 about it

00:36:05.160 or I need the show

00:36:06.920 as my therapy

00:36:07.620 it's a catharsis

00:36:08.520 to set the record

00:36:09.580 straight on what's

00:36:10.240 out there

00:36:10.660 right

00:36:11.260 so you mentioned

00:36:12.040 Brit

00:36:12.300 I had the honor

00:36:13.160 of sitting next

00:36:13.920 to Brit

00:36:14.200 in the ABC News

00:36:14.960 White House booth

00:36:15.720 for the first year

00:36:16.720 or so

00:36:17.100 of the Clinton

00:36:18.100 administration

00:36:18.580 and Brit

00:36:19.840 is one of the

00:36:20.300 I'd say

00:36:20.640 the top five people

00:36:21.580 I learned from

00:36:22.240 about broadcast

00:36:23.220 television

00:36:23.700 how to be a

00:36:24.540 broadcaster

00:36:25.180 but also how to

00:36:26.020 navigate

00:36:26.940 the complexities

00:36:28.060 of working

00:36:28.960 with 200 people

00:36:29.860 to get a story

00:36:30.480 on the air

00:36:30.860 I'll tell you

00:36:31.440 my favorite Brit story

00:36:32.480 Brit used to work

00:36:33.720 for the investigative

00:36:35.160 columnist Jack Anderson

00:36:36.460 and he said

00:36:37.340 Jack Anderson

00:36:37.960 told him

00:36:38.640 that when you

00:36:39.220 called someone's

00:36:39.940 phone

00:36:40.280 to try to get

00:36:43.220 an interview

00:36:43.840 with them

00:36:44.620 and back then

00:36:45.860 you had to call

00:36:46.280 someone's landline

00:36:47.760 and assistant

00:36:48.520 would answer

00:36:48.920 and the assistant

00:36:49.380 would say

00:36:49.780 may I tell

00:36:50.720 Mr. So-and-so

00:36:51.580 what it's in reference

00:36:52.240 to

00:36:52.540 Brit said

00:36:53.240 Jack Anderson

00:36:53.780 told him to say

00:36:54.360 malfeasance

00:36:55.380 and he said

00:36:56.460 they always

00:36:56.800 called back

00:36:58.000 I learned

00:36:59.840 a lot from Brit

00:37:00.540 including humor

00:37:01.300 and that's what

00:37:01.740 I want to ask

00:37:02.120 you about next

00:37:02.640 because I study

00:37:04.060 successful broadcasters

00:37:05.340 and I think about

00:37:05.780 what are the elements

00:37:06.500 of their brand

00:37:07.140 what is it

00:37:07.960 that people

00:37:08.300 find appealing

00:37:08.960 and I listen

00:37:10.300 to what people

00:37:10.700 say they find

00:37:11.180 appealing about you

00:37:11.840 you know

00:37:12.560 you're interesting

00:37:13.100 you're honest

00:37:13.580 you're authentic

00:37:14.100 you have a great

00:37:15.120 nose for news

00:37:15.900 you know where

00:37:16.380 the interesting

00:37:16.840 stuff is

00:37:17.320 but you're

00:37:18.340 hilarious

00:37:18.800 okay

00:37:19.640 your show

00:37:21.260 is so funny

00:37:22.020 you are so funny

00:37:23.040 and so first

00:37:24.280 I'm wondering

00:37:24.940 what your comedy

00:37:27.200 inspirations are

00:37:28.140 either people

00:37:29.020 in news

00:37:29.520 or are there

00:37:30.120 comedians you like

00:37:31.240 whose style

00:37:32.400 you maybe emulate

00:37:34.440 or think about

00:37:35.460 and animate you

00:37:36.320 that's very nice

00:37:40.440 of you to say

00:37:40.820 thank you

00:37:41.280 I would say

00:37:42.240 no there's

00:37:43.160 I mean I love comedy

00:37:44.120 and I love comedians

00:37:44.980 but there's nobody

00:37:45.880 I style myself after

00:37:46.940 I would just say

00:37:47.460 I come from a long line

00:37:48.520 of funny people

00:37:49.340 they come by it

00:37:50.700 naturally

00:37:51.240 and maybe some

00:37:52.700 small percentage

00:37:53.620 of that has rubbed

00:37:54.300 off on me

00:37:54.700 my nana was hilarious

00:37:55.800 my mom is very funny

00:37:57.240 my brother is hysterical

00:37:58.520 and it was just

00:37:59.620 you know

00:37:59.800 it's like one of those

00:38:00.340 Irish Catholic things

00:38:01.280 where you sit around

00:38:01.820 the kitchen table

00:38:02.500 and you just mock

00:38:03.600 each other mercilessly

00:38:04.600 for your whole life

00:38:05.380 so it comes naturally

00:38:06.360 and the news

00:38:08.260 is just so ripe

00:38:09.260 for humor

00:38:10.020 if you can

00:38:10.760 if you can keep

00:38:11.640 that arm's distance

00:38:12.400 between yourself

00:38:13.140 and it

00:38:13.880 then you know

00:38:15.360 it's one of those

00:38:15.920 many days laugh

00:38:16.680 or cry things

00:38:17.400 but I don't think

00:38:18.640 I would enjoy the news

00:38:19.560 anywhere as much

00:38:20.360 as I do

00:38:20.700 if I couldn't laugh

00:38:21.700 at the absurdity

00:38:22.700 of it

00:38:23.080 and I think

00:38:23.500 that's one of the things

00:38:24.740 that's helped me

00:38:26.060 over the years

00:38:26.680 I remember one time

00:38:27.360 the New York Times

00:38:27.900 was doing a profile

00:38:28.740 on my show

00:38:29.300 when I was at Fox

00:38:30.060 in primetime

00:38:30.660 and I gave her a quote

00:38:33.240 at the end of the show

00:38:33.880 saying something like

00:38:34.500 we talked about

00:38:35.220 ISIS

00:38:35.980 and men

00:38:36.920 in cages

00:38:38.000 I mean it was the worst

00:38:38.960 of the ISIS times

00:38:39.800 and we had a lot of laughs

00:38:41.360 and somehow

00:38:42.320 you know

00:38:42.820 we were able to do that

00:38:43.580 in our 42 minutes

00:38:44.360 of content

00:38:44.760 on the air

00:38:45.260 here and there

00:38:46.260 and now I

00:38:46.860 you know

00:38:47.280 here I try to do the same

00:38:48.260 you know

00:38:48.760 you got to keep laughing

00:38:49.440 all right

00:38:50.180 if you think about it

00:38:50.940 not current day comedians

00:38:52.280 but like Lucille Ball

00:38:53.600 Joan Rivers

00:38:54.320 Ernie Kovacs

00:38:55.840 who's like a classic comedian

00:38:57.440 whose style

00:38:58.060 and I love Joan Rivers

00:38:59.680 absolutely adore Joan Rivers

00:39:01.520 I know there's so many

00:39:03.280 I mean Andrew Schultz

00:39:04.180 right now is so funny

00:39:05.120 he's so raunchy

00:39:06.800 but hilarious

00:39:07.800 I absolutely love him

00:39:08.940 Tim Dillon's hysterical

00:39:11.600 you know

00:39:12.140 I love Sebastian Maniscalco

00:39:13.980 Jim Brewer

00:39:16.440 he's so good

00:39:17.440 I like you know

00:39:18.140 I like a little raunchy

00:39:19.360 a little off color

00:39:20.120 for sure

00:39:20.660 there have been a lot

00:39:22.360 I love the comedy cellar

00:39:23.500 I go there

00:39:24.360 Gnome's a great guy

00:39:25.560 so more of that

00:39:27.180 the better

00:39:27.900 and just grew up

00:39:29.140 watching those shows

00:39:29.860 you know like MASH

00:39:30.560 we watched that all the time

00:39:31.820 the Jeffersons

00:39:32.580 all these classic comedies

00:39:34.140 that were on

00:39:34.580 in our house growing up

00:39:37.360 Growing up

00:39:38.560 and when you started in news

00:39:39.820 do you consider yourself

00:39:41.000 to be a funny person?

00:39:44.200 I wouldn't go that far

00:39:45.640 I would say

00:39:46.660 I have a very healthy

00:39:47.420 sense of humor

00:39:48.040 but I don't really think

00:39:49.200 I'm actively funny

00:39:50.700 I mean I'm good for a laugh

00:39:51.980 here or there

00:39:52.520 I'm going to build a clip reel

00:39:54.120 of your funniest moments

00:39:55.140 from the last two weeks

00:39:55.940 and I think I'll be able

00:39:56.880 to make the compelling case

00:39:57.920 that you are

00:39:58.380 a very funny person

00:39:59.620 alright when you think

00:40:00.560 about just broadcasting skills

00:40:02.420 who have you learned from

00:40:04.600 who is either by example

00:40:05.900 or instruction

00:40:06.580 who has taught you

00:40:07.840 how to be a great broadcaster?

00:40:09.880 Well I would definitely say

00:40:11.040 Britt's been a huge influence

00:40:12.180 same as you point out

00:40:13.320 he taught me

00:40:13.960 the nuts and bolts

00:40:15.320 of being a good reporter

00:40:16.480 and being

00:40:17.120 relentlessly factual

00:40:18.420 and upgrading

00:40:19.540 your information

00:40:20.440 keeping it tight

00:40:21.680 all of that

00:40:22.360 and just never stop

00:40:23.580 questioning the lines

00:40:24.500 in your report

00:40:25.100 can they be better

00:40:25.800 can they be tighter

00:40:26.400 can they be more right

00:40:27.340 than they are

00:40:28.440 right now

00:40:29.620 and his wife Kim

00:40:30.320 too is a mentor

00:40:31.080 Britt's one of the best

00:40:32.760 TV script writers

00:40:33.640 in the history of the medium

00:40:34.620 yeah

00:40:35.500 and merciless

00:40:36.680 in a great way

00:40:37.280 you know

00:40:37.740 that's what I hope

00:40:38.900 my team would say

00:40:39.500 about me

00:40:39.860 I'm merciless

00:40:40.480 in a great way too

00:40:41.160 I think

00:40:41.440 because I don't let up

00:40:42.720 on them

00:40:43.000 you know

00:40:43.240 we're working on

00:40:44.140 this AM update show

00:40:45.140 which we do every day

00:40:45.900 and my poor producer

00:40:47.000 I love her

00:40:47.480 she's great

00:40:47.900 but I'm just relentless

00:40:48.920 on her

00:40:49.300 like no

00:40:49.760 no

00:40:50.100 no

00:40:50.380 we can

00:40:50.660 we can upgrade

00:40:51.200 we can do better

00:40:51.740 but it's

00:40:52.560 it's toward

00:40:53.180 service of the audience

00:40:54.720 that's how Britt was

00:40:55.560 in terms of role models

00:40:57.400 there's nobody better

00:40:58.320 in my view

00:40:58.940 like there's the person

00:40:59.760 I admired most

00:41:01.380 he's no longer with us

00:41:03.300 but by far

00:41:04.660 was Mike Wallace

00:41:05.660 I just thought

00:41:06.540 that's it

00:41:08.280 right there

00:41:08.940 that's how

00:41:09.580 it should be done

00:41:10.780 with charisma

00:41:12.180 and fortitude

00:41:14.440 and the willingness

00:41:15.460 to challenge anybody

00:41:16.780 but in a way

00:41:17.760 where you could

00:41:18.260 get away with it

00:41:19.340 you know

00:41:19.640 like you didn't have

00:41:20.800 to emerge

00:41:21.300 with the jugular

00:41:21.840 but you kind of did

00:41:23.100 but still there was

00:41:24.800 a gentlemanly dynamic

00:41:26.000 between Wallace

00:41:26.760 and most of his guests

00:41:27.800 which I admired

00:41:28.560 it's very very tricky

00:41:29.860 so I really loved him

00:41:32.020 did you spend time

00:41:32.720 with him

00:41:33.000 or that's just

00:41:33.440 studying him on camera

00:41:34.860 just studying him

00:41:35.660 I didn't

00:41:36.100 I mean I know his son

00:41:37.040 Chris Wallace

00:41:37.540 fairly well

00:41:38.080 or did when I was at Fox

00:41:39.200 but loved him

00:41:40.400 when I was very young

00:41:41.220 I loved Oprah

00:41:41.940 and the young Oprah

00:41:43.140 was great

00:41:43.740 she was a great

00:41:44.420 great great interviewer

00:41:45.360 that was before

00:41:45.840 she got completely

00:41:46.940 drunk on her own wine

00:41:48.280 became hard partisan

00:41:49.740 and then now

00:41:50.640 in today's day and age

00:41:51.640 has totally overestimated

00:41:53.100 her current day relevance

00:41:54.580 so my love affair

00:41:56.000 with the old Oprah

00:41:57.200 is over

00:41:57.800 but it doesn't diminish

00:41:58.920 her early work

00:41:59.740 and how talented she was

00:42:00.800 I totally agree

00:42:01.640 if you go back and look

00:42:02.520 even when she was

00:42:03.140 in Baltimore

00:42:03.580 as a local anchor

00:42:04.380 she was an incredible

00:42:05.460 communicator

00:42:06.220 and her sense of

00:42:07.100 how to communicate

00:42:07.960 and sort of engage

00:42:09.040 the audience

00:42:09.580 was phenomenal

00:42:10.700 is there anybody

00:42:12.580 today on the air

00:42:14.060 who you think

00:42:14.900 is a very compelling

00:42:16.480 broadcaster

00:42:17.540 well

00:42:20.020 I like Jesse Waters

00:42:21.460 on Fox a lot

00:42:22.240 like I

00:42:23.080 that's the one show

00:42:24.060 that's on TV news

00:42:26.000 like cable news

00:42:26.600 right now

00:42:26.880 that I would watch

00:42:27.560 I can't think of

00:42:29.160 anyone else

00:42:30.460 I'm not

00:42:31.400 what would you list

00:42:32.540 as Jesse's brand

00:42:33.520 besides humor

00:42:34.180 is obviously

00:42:34.640 a big part of it

00:42:35.500 he yeah

00:42:36.520 and he's

00:42:37.180 he too knows

00:42:39.260 what the news target is

00:42:40.500 he's good at

00:42:41.020 finding himself

00:42:41.620 right over the right

00:42:42.320 the proper target

00:42:43.260 and approaches it

00:42:44.460 with cleverness

00:42:45.380 and factual

00:42:46.900 you know

00:42:47.540 backup

00:42:47.900 and he's pretty fearless

00:42:49.220 which is important

00:42:49.980 in today's day and age

00:42:51.100 all right

00:42:51.760 how am I doing

00:42:52.180 asking you questions

00:42:52.920 you've never been asked

00:42:53.760 50%

00:42:54.400 he's doing very well

00:42:55.260 all right

00:42:55.820 here we go

00:42:56.260 let's keep going

00:42:56.840 this is what we call

00:42:57.900 very skillful

00:42:58.320 this is what we call

00:42:59.120 the rapid round

00:42:59.920 human interest section

00:43:00.960 who is living

00:43:02.740 you've never met

00:43:03.640 who you'd like to meet

00:43:04.460 and why

00:43:04.980 living never met

00:43:06.900 I mean I'm sorry

00:43:07.800 but it's Meghan Markle

00:43:08.700 she and I need to sit down

00:43:09.760 across from one another

00:43:10.580 and we will break the internet

00:43:11.660 can I come to that

00:43:13.140 yes

00:43:14.020 I'll be your graphics PA

00:43:16.080 or I'll help with hair and makeup

00:43:17.500 I would like to be there for that

00:43:18.660 literally everybody would watch that

00:43:20.400 have you come close to meeting her

00:43:21.960 well I should have gone

00:43:23.600 I was in the time 100 this year

00:43:25.000 and she was too

00:43:26.320 which is also ridiculous

00:43:27.480 and they invited me to go to this

00:43:29.660 like summit

00:43:30.320 the day before

00:43:31.300 where they interview you

00:43:32.460 about how important you are

00:43:33.420 and I said no

00:43:34.060 and naturally she said yes

00:43:35.420 so we could have crossed paths

00:43:37.140 if I had just

00:43:38.340 been more self-aggrandizing

00:43:40.240 do you have your booking request in

00:43:42.080 I gotta be honest

00:43:45.100 I haven't actually submitted that

00:43:46.460 because the futility of it

00:43:47.700 seems obvious

00:43:48.320 so well

00:43:49.620 so you're saying the person

00:43:50.740 you'd most like to meet

00:43:51.700 you haven't even asked to meet

00:43:52.780 even though you could

00:43:53.560 no

00:43:53.860 no

00:43:54.400 it's one of those things

00:43:55.720 where it might be too important

00:43:57.160 to me to continue

00:43:58.260 to be able to make fun of her

00:43:59.520 like

00:43:59.780 I don't know if I could make up

00:44:01.560 or like

00:44:01.920 patch things up

00:44:03.160 or somehow be wooed by her

00:44:04.740 Mark because

00:44:05.320 being able to mock her

00:44:07.140 is too important to me

00:44:08.020 I've never met her

00:44:09.140 but I think the chances

00:44:09.860 that she would melt your heart

00:44:10.900 in when you ever

00:44:11.480 are de minimis

00:44:12.700 I think you're right

00:44:13.820 that's what I would say

00:44:14.480 alright

00:44:14.860 what's a place you've never been

00:44:16.460 that you'd like to go

00:44:17.320 and why

00:44:18.080 I'd love to go to Japan

00:44:21.220 you've never been to Japan

00:44:22.820 I've never been to Asia

00:44:24.200 and you know where else though

00:44:26.200 domestically

00:44:26.720 I've never been to the

00:44:27.480 Pacific Northwest

00:44:28.180 never

00:44:29.080 never Seattle

00:44:30.280 Portland

00:44:31.140 these are massive halls Megan

00:44:32.980 I know

00:44:33.940 I know

00:44:34.500 I haven't had a lot of time

00:44:35.540 I've been to Japan

00:44:36.340 like 25 times

00:44:37.480 it's my favorite place

00:44:38.620 it's my favorite place

00:44:39.580 in the world

00:44:40.040 no

00:44:41.060 let's all go

00:44:42.140 let's take the kids

00:44:43.000 and I'll show you around

00:44:44.340 let's make it an MK Media

00:44:45.200 excursion

00:44:46.100 best architecture

00:44:47.360 best food

00:44:48.140 best service economy

00:44:49.360 it's an incredible place

00:44:50.860 yeah

00:44:51.400 it's definitely on my bucket list

00:44:52.880 alright

00:44:53.340 alright

00:44:53.780 it takes a little while

00:44:54.900 to get there by the way

00:44:56.200 alright

00:44:57.580 what is the greatest movie

00:45:00.060 of all time

00:45:00.700 I mean

00:45:03.380 are we talking

00:45:04.300 my favorite

00:45:05.140 or just definitively

00:45:06.300 the greatest movie

00:45:06.840 your favorite

00:45:07.720 greatest for you

00:45:09.060 what is your favorite movie

00:45:10.380 my favorite movie

00:45:10.840 of all time

00:45:11.320 is Willy Wonka

00:45:11.940 and the Chocolate Factory

00:45:12.720 the original

00:45:13.640 I'm obsessed

00:45:14.860 I've never even seen

00:45:15.980 the imitations

00:45:16.600 I refuse

00:45:17.120 how are you

00:45:18.320 imitating

00:45:18.960 the Wonka

00:45:21.120 in the final scene

00:45:22.160 near the final scene

00:45:23.120 when Charlie walks in

00:45:24.460 and he says

00:45:25.400 good day sir

00:45:26.100 can you do that

00:45:26.740 he says

00:45:27.580 you bumped into the ceiling

00:45:29.880 which now has to be cleaned

00:45:31.200 and sterilized

00:45:32.320 so you get

00:45:33.020 nothing

00:45:33.880 you lose

00:45:35.240 and also

00:45:37.340 good day

00:45:37.980 so shines

00:45:38.540 a good deed

00:45:39.640 in a weary world

00:45:40.840 that's a sweet moment

00:45:42.360 are you so in love

00:45:44.400 with that movie

00:45:44.820 that you can differentiate

00:45:45.700 between the Oompa Loompas

00:45:46.880 or they're all pretty much

00:45:47.720 the same

00:45:48.120 I can differentiate

00:45:48.940 I've actually spoken

00:45:49.860 with one of the Oompa Loompas

00:45:50.940 if you must know

00:45:51.580 and I watched

00:45:52.620 the whole movie

00:45:54.240 four years ago

00:45:55.840 next to

00:45:57.760 the real

00:45:59.040 Veruca Salt

00:46:00.620 Julie Dawn Cole

00:46:02.100 who's now all grown up

00:46:03.480 and living in London

00:46:04.320 and she came

00:46:05.240 to my hotel

00:46:06.000 and we watched it together

00:46:07.140 we decorated

00:46:07.980 the whole thing

00:46:09.020 with Willy Wonka

00:46:10.260 apparatus

00:46:11.220 and we kicked

00:46:12.700 balloons together

00:46:13.520 like she does

00:46:14.140 in that one scene

00:46:14.900 is there a video of that?

00:46:15.440 is there a video of that?

00:46:15.840 yes I'll give it to you

00:46:16.680 you can lay it in here

00:46:17.780 I'd like to see that

00:46:18.100 lay it in here

00:46:18.720 we sang

00:46:19.280 her song

00:46:20.400 I want it all

00:46:21.260 I mean I peaked

00:46:22.100 that was it

00:46:22.720 I had peaked

00:46:23.540 it was my 50th birthday present

00:46:25.040 based on that

00:46:26.180 I think I might know

00:46:26.860 the answer

00:46:27.160 but let's say

00:46:27.860 Charlie was not eligible

00:46:29.240 to win

00:46:29.780 of the other kids

00:46:30.760 who was most deserving?

00:46:33.360 oh wow

00:46:34.260 well

00:46:34.880 no it wasn't Veruca

00:46:37.460 for sure

00:46:37.900 she was the worst

00:46:38.800 not Augustus

00:46:40.040 I guess I'd have to go

00:46:41.120 with Mike TV

00:46:41.700 I mean what did he do?

00:46:42.500 Mike TV just watched

00:46:43.300 a bunch of TV

00:46:43.960 like that's

00:46:44.740 it's really not so bad

00:46:45.660 how's your Mike TV

00:46:46.640 imitation?

00:46:50.880 I'm trying to think

00:46:51.940 he had a lift

00:46:53.860 so you'd have to

00:46:55.160 incorporate that

00:46:56.140 yeah

00:46:56.740 dad says I can't

00:46:58.500 have a real one

00:46:59.160 not to your 12 son

00:47:00.820 something like that

00:47:02.060 not bad

00:47:03.100 did you have a favorite

00:47:03.940 of the grandparents?

00:47:06.360 well of course

00:47:07.080 it's Grandpa Joe

00:47:07.760 I mean the other three

00:47:08.700 just sat in the bed

00:47:09.600 they didn't even try

00:47:10.340 to get up

00:47:10.820 so that was sad

00:47:11.640 but I do love

00:47:12.860 the parents

00:47:13.540 who are brought along

00:47:14.740 on the tour

00:47:15.560 inside the Wonka factory

00:47:17.040 you know there's

00:47:18.080 little lines

00:47:18.880 that I just constantly

00:47:19.640 throw out

00:47:19.940 like Rachmaninoff

00:47:20.920 you know like

00:47:21.640 you boil him up

00:47:22.680 I know it

00:47:23.280 there's so many

00:47:24.020 great ones from that

00:47:24.980 that I could recite

00:47:26.580 the whole thing

00:47:27.460 from memory

00:47:28.680 when I watch it

00:47:29.500 you know like

00:47:29.940 I know every line

00:47:30.620 and the bargain

00:47:31.320 that my family

00:47:31.940 makes with me

00:47:32.460 is don't do that

00:47:33.840 stop doing that

00:47:35.620 it's annoying

00:47:36.040 I believe I remember

00:47:37.900 correctly

00:47:38.220 you do not fancy

00:47:39.000 yourself a singer

00:47:39.840 am I right about that?

00:47:41.220 no no

00:47:41.940 I think I have

00:47:43.420 a decent speaking voice

00:47:44.500 and I have an

00:47:45.180 absolutely terrible

00:47:46.120 singing voice

00:47:46.800 alright the last thing

00:47:47.900 I'll say about Wonka

00:47:48.660 is when the elevator

00:47:50.720 breaks through the roof

00:47:51.860 I chills

00:47:53.840 every time it happens

00:47:54.780 every time I watch it

00:47:56.180 just chills

00:47:56.740 well Mark

00:47:57.960 and you know what else

00:47:58.760 is so great

00:47:59.380 I mean it's just

00:47:59.940 there's so much to love

00:48:00.840 about the movie

00:48:01.360 I mean I think

00:48:02.820 one of the reasons

00:48:03.580 I love it so much

00:48:04.280 is because I watched it

00:48:05.420 when I was a kid

00:48:06.120 and I watched it a lot

00:48:07.540 after my dad died

00:48:08.460 when I was 15

00:48:09.200 and it kind of reminds me

00:48:10.580 of a time where

00:48:11.340 I don't know

00:48:12.120 I was just feeling

00:48:12.600 connected with my family

00:48:13.760 and it's about

00:48:16.380 you know

00:48:16.780 terrible people

00:48:17.920 getting their

00:48:18.820 comeuppance

00:48:19.740 and good people

00:48:20.860 getting rewarded

00:48:21.600 for their goodness

00:48:22.260 so there's a basic

00:48:23.120 morality to it as well

00:48:24.360 but the last line

00:48:26.700 of the movie

00:48:27.080 is Wonka

00:48:28.300 saying to Charlie Bucket

00:48:29.660 don't forget

00:48:30.920 what happens

00:48:31.560 to the boy

00:48:32.060 who suddenly got

00:48:32.940 everything he always wanted

00:48:34.360 he lived happily

00:48:35.960 ever after

00:48:36.640 and I think about that

00:48:38.300 all the time

00:48:38.940 like if you just

00:48:39.840 persevere

00:48:40.520 right

00:48:40.820 if you are a good person

00:48:42.520 if you don't chase

00:48:43.640 false gods

00:48:44.960 if you just live

00:48:46.060 by your own moral code

00:48:48.040 to the best of your ability

00:48:49.220 I believe that

00:48:50.640 last line

00:48:51.720 I believe it's possible

00:48:52.920 it's a Wonka life lesson

00:48:54.380 or two more Wonka things

00:48:55.460 first

00:48:55.820 I am so loyal

00:48:57.220 to the original

00:48:57.840 in general

00:48:58.600 and I have no use

00:48:59.840 for the

00:49:00.300 what's that guy's name

00:49:01.980 Johnny Depp

00:49:02.780 no use to Johnny Depp

00:49:04.020 but I will tell you

00:49:05.380 Chalamet is pretty good

00:49:06.700 if you don't consider it

00:49:08.120 like

00:49:08.620 you know

00:49:10.500 a blight

00:49:11.020 on the original

00:49:11.700 Chalamet is pretty good

00:49:12.500 last thing

00:49:13.660 I love to play

00:49:14.540 the version

00:49:15.220 of the equivalent

00:49:15.860 of the newlywed game

00:49:17.040 between anchors

00:49:18.180 and their producers

00:49:18.980 I love to see

00:49:20.660 when they go

00:49:20.960 so here's my question

00:49:21.840 we're doing that

00:49:22.720 just one question

00:49:23.300 will Steve Krakauer

00:49:24.520 say after this

00:49:25.620 I can't believe

00:49:26.440 Mark wasted 10 minutes

00:49:27.540 talking about Wonka

00:49:28.420 or will he say

00:49:29.200 this thing is awesome

00:49:30.360 it's going to go viral

00:49:31.160 which do you think Steve

00:49:32.060 will say

00:49:32.160 the latter

00:49:32.580 he'll love it

00:49:33.400 he'll love it

00:49:34.120 okay

00:49:34.400 Steve are you on

00:49:35.440 Steve are you there

00:49:36.260 try him in

00:49:37.040 I can't wait to find out

00:49:38.320 alright last to

00:49:39.340 because we're up

00:49:40.120 against the clock

00:49:40.840 as happens

00:49:41.300 even on the internet

00:49:42.360 what was the biggest

00:49:43.360 break of your career

00:49:44.580 and I don't want you

00:49:45.800 to say when Fox

00:49:46.540 hired you

00:49:46.920 because that's

00:49:47.640 too easy

00:49:48.140 besides that

00:49:49.040 no it wasn't

00:49:49.460 that wasn't

00:49:50.420 the biggest break

00:49:50.940 anyway

00:49:51.200 it was

00:49:51.680 when I had

00:49:53.440 when I had

00:49:55.260 made a resume tape

00:49:56.520 but no one

00:49:57.280 knew who I was

00:49:58.820 I had no connections

00:49:59.740 in news

00:50:00.320 I was just

00:50:01.360 a frustrated lawyer

00:50:02.260 I

00:50:04.440 didn't know

00:50:05.820 what to do

00:50:06.200 and I was

00:50:06.840 I had one of those

00:50:07.700 moments where I was like

00:50:08.220 I'm never going to

00:50:08.740 get into news

00:50:09.360 I'm 32

00:50:10.080 which I thought

00:50:10.600 was old

00:50:11.060 and I'm like

00:50:11.940 I know nobody

00:50:12.940 and then one day

00:50:14.660 Mark

00:50:15.000 I stayed home

00:50:16.280 and I almost

00:50:16.760 never ever

00:50:18.060 call home

00:50:19.080 call in sick

00:50:19.880 to work

00:50:20.360 during my law career

00:50:21.420 or as a TV

00:50:22.120 broadcaster

00:50:22.880 I really genuinely

00:50:23.980 have to be throwing up

00:50:24.860 all day for me

00:50:25.620 not to go to work

00:50:26.360 and I was

00:50:27.420 and I had on

00:50:29.060 lifetime television

00:50:30.620 Mark Halperin

00:50:31.380 yes it's true

00:50:32.360 I was living in

00:50:33.500 Baltimore

00:50:33.860 Maryland

00:50:34.460 and I watched

00:50:37.000 the Jessica Savage

00:50:38.620 story

00:50:39.400 on Lifetime TV

00:50:41.020 and it was that story

00:50:42.620 of this amazing

00:50:43.140 broadcaster who came up

00:50:44.240 in the time of Connie Chung

00:50:45.520 who made it in a man's world

00:50:47.400 when it was impossible

00:50:48.820 to do so

00:50:49.480 and she did it

00:50:51.260 and I thought

00:50:51.700 you know what

00:50:52.220 if she could do it then

00:50:53.680 why can't I do it now

00:50:54.700 and I started cold calling

00:50:56.060 news directors

00:50:56.640 and it was Bill Lord

00:50:58.420 who is the news director

00:50:59.420 at WJLA

00:51:00.220 the ABC affiliate

00:51:01.120 in Washington

00:51:01.620 which also happened

00:51:03.000 to have a lesser known

00:51:04.060 cable channel

00:51:05.940 News Channel 8

00:51:06.920 and I thought maybe I could

00:51:07.540 yeah

00:51:07.880 I thought maybe I could

00:51:08.800 get hired at News Channel 8

00:51:10.040 not even realizing

00:51:11.080 that there was a chance

00:51:11.900 he could put me on ABC

00:51:12.860 and that guy

00:51:14.600 I convinced him

00:51:16.640 to let me drop off

00:51:17.520 my resume in person

00:51:18.800 which was huge

00:51:20.460 because I knew

00:51:21.740 given my nine years

00:51:22.680 of law practice

00:51:23.320 I could talk my way

00:51:24.120 into the job

00:51:24.600 and I did

00:51:25.440 that was the biggest break

00:51:26.580 what's the biggest break

00:51:27.920 you've had

00:51:28.560 since you left NBC

00:51:29.500 hmm

00:51:32.300 I mean

00:51:33.400 I guess

00:51:34.080 look

00:51:36.320 if they didn't have

00:51:37.140 the madness

00:51:37.680 of the George Floyd

00:51:39.380 mania

00:51:40.080 in 2020

00:51:40.860 I might still be

00:51:42.220 sitting on the couch

00:51:42.880 it was the insanity

00:51:44.360 that the country

00:51:45.660 came under

00:51:46.820 that got me up

00:51:48.160 and off my couch

00:51:48.860 and willing to broadcast

00:51:49.780 in my children's playroom

00:51:50.900 with no video camera

00:51:52.000 and two listeners

00:51:53.400 so in a way

00:51:54.840 that was a break for me

00:51:55.700 that the news cycle

00:51:56.780 came in

00:51:58.160 and just touched on

00:51:59.240 all these things

00:52:00.020 that are really important

00:52:00.780 to me

00:52:01.000 like fairness

00:52:01.580 and justice

00:52:02.100 and due process

00:52:02.740 and facts

00:52:03.740 about cops

00:52:04.940 that were being

00:52:05.480 misrepresented

00:52:06.160 left and right

00:52:06.820 that I

00:52:07.200 got off that couch

00:52:08.460 and started

00:52:08.860 what turned out

00:52:09.380 to be a good show

00:52:10.100 finally I know

00:52:11.160 you've never been

00:52:11.720 asked this one

00:52:12.500 what's your best advice

00:52:13.600 for me

00:52:14.440 in succeeding

00:52:15.180 in this world

00:52:15.940 well

00:52:18.320 you're an excellent

00:52:20.180 interviewer

00:52:20.780 that's

00:52:21.100 I think you just

00:52:21.720 proved that

00:52:22.240 but I think

00:52:23.460 your thoughts

00:52:24.860 on the news

00:52:25.760 and politics

00:52:26.440 are what people

00:52:27.560 are going to tune in for

00:52:28.420 so if I were you

00:52:29.780 I'd open

00:52:30.220 and I know

00:52:30.700 you've been doing

00:52:31.260 a lot of this

00:52:31.600 but I would open

00:52:32.100 every show

00:52:32.560 with at least 20 minutes

00:52:33.440 of what Mark Halperin

00:52:34.560 thinks about the news stories

00:52:35.740 because everybody

00:52:37.160 will listen to that

00:52:38.120 all right

00:52:39.020 Megan couldn't be

00:52:39.780 more grateful to you

00:52:40.420 for spending this time

00:52:41.420 for your Wonka

00:52:42.500 reminiscence

00:52:43.240 but also again

00:52:44.060 for giving me

00:52:44.520 the opportunity

00:52:45.020 to be part of

00:52:45.660 your growing network

00:52:46.700 I'm grateful to you

00:52:47.500 the pleasure is all mine

00:52:49.580 Mark keep going

00:52:50.300 the show is already

00:52:51.260 a huge success

00:52:52.320 we've been thrilled

00:52:53.240 you far exceeded

00:52:53.960 our expectations

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00:54:01.300 I am beyond

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00:54:06.920 my fellow astronaut

00:54:09.360 expanding her resume

00:54:11.060 as an actress

00:54:12.280 a producer

00:54:13.500 non-pro

00:54:14.400 like what can't

00:54:15.100 this woman do

00:54:15.920 is now

00:54:18.020 is now

00:54:18.660 a guest on the nerve

00:54:19.620 look at this

00:54:20.480 thank you

00:54:20.940 thank you MK

00:54:21.600 for coming on the show

00:54:22.480 I so appreciate it

00:54:23.420 I mean

00:54:23.600 I'm everywhere

00:54:24.620 the two of us

00:54:25.820 are everywhere

00:54:26.680 but we're making it happen

00:54:27.760 Maureen

00:54:28.140 I love it

00:54:28.880 I love it too

00:54:30.480 I love it too

00:54:31.160 and I have been dying

00:54:32.020 to talk to you

00:54:32.920 about

00:54:34.000 Michelle Obama's

00:54:35.620 ongoing midlife

00:54:36.660 meltdown

00:54:37.440 like her

00:54:38.500 as you put it

00:54:39.480 her stegosaurus

00:54:40.280 hairdos

00:54:41.660 the

00:54:42.620 the utterance

00:54:44.240 the other day

00:54:45.140 she says

00:54:46.000 she's transitioning

00:54:46.820 I mean

00:54:48.080 I think we both know

00:54:48.900 what she's trying to do

00:54:49.720 by using that word

00:54:50.760 yeah

00:54:51.340 I mean

00:54:51.500 what do you make

00:54:52.100 of all of this

00:54:52.840 like what's going on

00:54:53.800 in that psyche

00:54:54.420 I think that

00:54:55.680 that transitioning line

00:54:57.040 was meant to

00:54:57.940 get attention

00:54:58.600 because her podcast

00:54:59.860 is failing

00:55:00.540 no one wants to watch it

00:55:02.480 and she's not used to that

00:55:04.020 you know

00:55:04.320 she's used to being

00:55:05.000 the center of attention

00:55:05.820 everyone's interested in me

00:55:07.820 I don't have to try hard

00:55:09.540 and so now

00:55:10.360 she's embarrassed

00:55:11.960 and so I think

00:55:13.140 she's intentionally

00:55:13.880 dropping these little

00:55:14.880 you know nuggets

00:55:15.860 in these podcasts

00:55:16.760 just so she can get

00:55:17.540 pick up

00:55:18.020 and talking

00:55:19.220 here and there

00:55:20.240 about her marriage

00:55:21.280 because she knows

00:55:22.040 that she'll get

00:55:22.520 pick up

00:55:22.920 if she talks

00:55:23.520 about him

00:55:24.040 you know

00:55:24.920 it's kind of like

00:55:25.600 Meghan and Harry

00:55:26.520 where it's like

00:55:27.240 the man is the star

00:55:29.260 and the woman

00:55:30.100 is kind of the glomer

00:55:31.200 she's like the also ran

00:55:32.560 like we're interested

00:55:33.700 in her to the extent

00:55:34.520 she's going to tell us

00:55:35.260 about him

00:55:35.760 and she knows that

00:55:37.140 so she's working it

00:55:38.140 but she can't hide

00:55:40.320 her general

00:55:41.580 morose nature

00:55:43.460 so the more

00:55:44.760 you tune into

00:55:46.180 these clips

00:55:46.720 never mind that show

00:55:47.880 and I actually have

00:55:48.900 tried to watch it

00:55:49.840 because it's our business

00:55:50.800 it's terrible

00:55:52.660 she's the most

00:55:53.520 depressing person

00:55:55.000 to spend time with

00:55:56.240 so it's going to

00:55:57.080 continue failing

00:55:57.700 100%

00:55:59.680 I mean

00:56:00.700 she

00:56:01.500 well for one thing

00:56:02.580 the transitioning thing

00:56:03.480 struck me so strangely

00:56:04.780 because this is the

00:56:05.580 this is the third rail

00:56:06.660 on the left

00:56:07.360 right

00:56:07.720 like

00:56:08.400 like the

00:56:09.260 the people who call

00:56:10.820 you know

00:56:11.500 Michelle Obama

00:56:12.320 knows this

00:56:12.920 that like

00:56:13.340 online

00:56:14.220 there's a cohort

00:56:15.060 of people

00:56:15.480 that call her

00:56:16.020 Big Mike

00:56:16.560 yes

00:56:17.520 and who maintain

00:56:18.380 that she is a

00:56:19.860 is a dude

00:56:20.540 okay

00:56:21.040 that's what they maintain

00:56:21.940 I'm just saying

00:56:22.500 that's right

00:56:22.820 and so she's very

00:56:24.420 cynically using this word

00:56:25.940 and then she's going

00:56:27.520 to turn around

00:56:28.260 and be like

00:56:28.840 how dare you

00:56:29.540 interpret it that way

00:56:30.420 that is such

00:56:30.900 a disgusting

00:56:32.220 misreading

00:56:32.780 of everything

00:56:33.320 I'm saying

00:56:33.860 I go high

00:56:35.400 when they go low

00:56:37.000 right

00:56:37.340 but she's going low

00:56:38.560 yeah

00:56:39.480 well

00:56:40.020 I mean

00:56:40.440 that was a lie

00:56:41.140 to begin with

00:56:42.000 and you know

00:56:42.740 tell it to your husband

00:56:43.840 who showed up

00:56:44.700 at that

00:56:45.160 democratic

00:56:46.340 campaign office

00:56:48.000 when people

00:56:48.860 weren't rallying

00:56:49.760 behind Kamala Harris

00:56:50.820 and called

00:56:51.880 a bunch of

00:56:52.740 democrat voters

00:56:53.940 half of whom

00:56:55.020 were men

00:56:55.660 half of whom

00:56:56.460 were black

00:56:57.060 racists

00:56:58.240 and sexists

00:56:59.240 because they

00:57:00.060 weren't getting

00:57:00.560 behind Kamala Harris

00:57:01.620 like that doesn't

00:57:02.580 seem like going

00:57:03.380 high to me

00:57:04.160 and her husband

00:57:05.920 and she have been

00:57:06.700 out there suggesting

00:57:07.440 Trump is Hitler

00:57:08.200 she wouldn't even

00:57:08.860 go to Trump's

00:57:10.020 inauguration

00:57:10.780 it doesn't seem

00:57:11.760 like the high road

00:57:12.640 so she wants credit

00:57:13.900 for taking the high road

00:57:14.840 even though of course

00:57:15.520 she hasn't

00:57:16.540 and she doesn't

00:57:17.340 and it's not where

00:57:17.980 she spends her time

00:57:18.680 it's just like anything

00:57:19.780 Maureen

00:57:20.100 you know like you and I

00:57:20.920 we wouldn't be out there

00:57:21.920 being like

00:57:22.400 we only take the high road

00:57:24.660 we have nothing

00:57:25.200 to compensate for

00:57:26.180 we're perfectly content

00:57:27.480 on the low road

00:57:28.380 and we'll make no apologies

00:57:29.740 for it

00:57:30.460 while we're there

00:57:31.820 she's like

00:57:33.360 she's dishonest

00:57:34.580 right

00:57:34.820 so she's got to say

00:57:35.640 she's something

00:57:36.220 other than what she is

00:57:37.760 same way Anna Wintour

00:57:38.860 had to pretend

00:57:39.480 she understands

00:57:40.120 the black experience

00:57:41.180 because she decided

00:57:42.680 to do black dandyism

00:57:43.980 this year

00:57:44.600 even though

00:57:45.080 there are no blacks

00:57:46.220 running fashion houses

00:57:47.480 and even when they've

00:57:48.680 come under the microscope

00:57:49.780 she's kept it down

00:57:51.300 to a minimum

00:57:51.780 so in any event

00:57:53.140 I think she's a hypocrite

00:57:54.180 I think she's false

00:57:55.660 but I think

00:57:56.260 the thing that's genuine

00:57:57.020 about her

00:57:57.580 is her depression

00:57:58.500 her unhappiness

00:58:00.180 her self-loathing

00:58:01.900 and her loathing

00:58:03.560 of him

00:58:04.080 oh 100%

00:58:05.900 and I think

00:58:06.600 the Meghan Markle

00:58:08.040 analogy

00:58:08.520 is completely correct

00:58:09.920 I think

00:58:10.400 we're seeing it now

00:58:11.580 like Hilaria Baldwin

00:58:12.900 is becoming much more

00:58:13.900 aggressive

00:58:14.300 against her husband

00:58:15.300 because she's got

00:58:16.120 the leverage now

00:58:17.020 like it's cheaper

00:58:18.620 to keep her

00:58:19.400 like he can't

00:58:20.660 divorce her

00:58:21.460 like these cases

00:58:22.740 have bankrupted him

00:58:24.020 so she's out there

00:58:25.560 talking

00:58:25.940 she's spilling

00:58:26.540 all of his

00:58:27.180 personal secrets

00:58:28.140 like I'm gonna get

00:58:29.140 into this book

00:58:29.680 she just wrote

00:58:30.600 but she's spilling

00:58:31.840 all of his

00:58:32.380 personal secrets

00:58:33.080 and snapping at him

00:58:34.420 on red carpets

00:58:35.280 and basically saying

00:58:35.900 I run this show

00:58:36.900 people are interested

00:58:37.660 in me

00:58:38.200 not you

00:58:38.840 and just like

00:58:39.780 those other two

00:58:40.420 she has not

00:58:40.940 an original thought

00:58:42.020 in her head

00:58:42.500 she has absolutely

00:58:43.600 nothing to say

00:58:44.700 she has nothing

00:58:45.300 to offer

00:58:45.780 she is in deep rage

00:58:47.780 that she is

00:58:48.800 well known

00:58:49.460 only because

00:58:50.240 of the marriage

00:58:50.940 she made

00:58:51.600 and I think

00:58:52.660 really resents

00:58:54.000 the person

00:58:54.520 she decided

00:58:55.160 to marry

00:58:55.760 and with Michelle

00:58:57.500 and Meghan Markle

00:58:59.100 and hilarious

00:59:00.480 unusual

00:59:01.620 because

00:59:02.040 the bulk of the media

00:59:03.340 is still pretending

00:59:03.940 like she didn't tell us

00:59:05.200 she was from Spain

00:59:05.880 she just likes

00:59:06.840 to adopt

00:59:07.700 a Spanish accent

00:59:08.520 greatest story ever

00:59:10.520 but there's

00:59:11.560 there's something

00:59:12.140 about these two women

00:59:13.160 in particular

00:59:13.800 rich beyond their

00:59:14.700 wildest dreams

00:59:15.380 they got a level

00:59:16.100 of fame

00:59:16.420 they never would

00:59:16.980 have gotten

00:59:17.280 on their own

00:59:17.860 and

00:59:18.740 I don't

00:59:19.960 I don't know

00:59:20.720 how

00:59:21.200 I don't know

00:59:23.240 what is going

00:59:23.880 on in there

00:59:24.320 you know

00:59:24.580 I think there are

00:59:25.300 people who

00:59:26.020 will never

00:59:26.720 let themselves

00:59:27.300 be happy

00:59:27.940 and I think

00:59:29.000 there are people

00:59:29.620 who are comfortable

00:59:30.840 in a state

00:59:31.860 of grievance

00:59:32.640 and martyrdom

00:59:33.720 and rage

00:59:34.360 I see

00:59:35.640 I

00:59:35.900 this drives me

00:59:36.860 nuts

00:59:37.240 because

00:59:37.560 I know

00:59:38.580 a lot

00:59:39.240 of rich

00:59:40.040 women

00:59:40.660 rich

00:59:41.660 because

00:59:42.000 they married

00:59:42.580 a rich man

00:59:43.220 and

00:59:43.960 they're fine

00:59:45.300 they're cool

00:59:45.860 they're thrilled

00:59:46.560 you know

00:59:47.300 they don't run around

00:59:49.380 like overcompensating

00:59:51.060 all the time

00:59:51.860 or trying to

00:59:53.060 prove to everybody

00:59:54.220 I am also special

00:59:55.480 I'm special too

00:59:57.020 they're like

00:59:57.940 my life's grand

00:59:59.060 I got these nice

01:00:00.540 cars

01:00:01.260 and this nice house

01:00:02.260 and this you know

01:00:02.960 guy who takes care of me

01:00:04.040 like that

01:00:04.900 is the way to do it

01:00:06.300 if you decide

01:00:07.340 to do it

01:00:08.040 what happened

01:00:09.020 in both of these cases

01:00:10.320 is they

01:00:10.920 they shot

01:00:11.860 you know

01:00:12.220 for the moon

01:00:12.680 and they got it

01:00:13.820 you know

01:00:14.180 Harry landed the elephant

01:00:15.300 she got her prince

01:00:16.220 and Michelle got

01:00:17.940 you know

01:00:18.420 the star at Harvard

01:00:19.660 who was very clear

01:00:20.880 was going to be

01:00:21.620 making a huge impact

01:00:22.740 in Democrat politics

01:00:23.800 and then they spent

01:00:25.280 the rest of the time

01:00:27.180 seemingly resentful

01:00:28.520 or even jealous

01:00:30.220 like that's what I detect

01:00:31.720 from these two women

01:00:32.820 like there's an envy

01:00:33.920 by them

01:00:35.040 toward their husbands

01:00:35.680 for being the main stars

01:00:37.340 to the point

01:00:38.140 where now Meghan Markle

01:00:39.120 has almost like

01:00:39.980 rearranged it all

01:00:41.160 you know

01:00:41.760 Dan Wooten

01:00:42.240 was on my show

01:00:42.740 the other day

01:00:43.180 saying

01:00:43.520 he's now realized

01:00:45.380 he's the

01:00:46.920 he's the spare

01:00:48.520 to her

01:00:49.620 she's so

01:00:50.920 used his fame

01:00:52.500 and connections

01:00:53.520 and his ability

01:00:54.780 to help her make money

01:00:55.900 that she's

01:00:57.180 re-engineered

01:00:57.960 the whole thing

01:00:58.800 to where

01:00:59.200 she's the breadwinner

01:01:00.860 and he

01:01:01.900 is just

01:01:02.620 the whipped

01:01:03.380 loser

01:01:04.420 back at the house

01:01:05.620 which is exactly

01:01:07.080 what Michelle Obama

01:01:08.220 would kill for

01:01:09.480 she doesn't want

01:01:11.100 Barack Obama

01:01:11.760 in the headlines anymore

01:01:12.900 she wants it

01:01:14.200 to be her

01:01:15.240 and so she's

01:01:16.500 crapping all over him

01:01:17.880 while still kind of

01:01:19.180 using the Obama name

01:01:20.160 and the time

01:01:20.540 in the White House

01:01:21.040 to make herself relevant

01:01:22.200 right

01:01:23.400 and so like

01:01:24.120 I this is what

01:01:25.100 I think this is

01:01:25.900 just one long tease

01:01:26.980 like I think

01:01:27.540 she wants out

01:01:28.420 I think he would be

01:01:29.260 happy to be done

01:01:30.180 with her

01:01:30.560 okay

01:01:30.940 yes

01:01:31.360 like is he like

01:01:32.820 paying his penance

01:01:33.880 for becoming

01:01:34.980 the first black president

01:01:36.220 and like seeming to be

01:01:37.860 like a kind of decent guy

01:01:39.100 like is he paying

01:01:40.120 his penance

01:01:40.740 because Michelle

01:01:41.920 isn't as great

01:01:42.800 as he is

01:01:43.440 and she never will be

01:01:44.520 so he's just gonna

01:01:45.120 suck it up

01:01:45.860 until

01:01:46.440 is he gonna let her

01:01:47.820 be the one to file

01:01:48.660 I just

01:01:49.380 I just find this

01:01:50.560 I've never seen

01:01:52.020 such deep

01:01:53.420 loathing

01:01:54.600 on the public state

01:01:55.940 I was trying to think

01:01:57.040 of any other

01:01:57.820 famous person

01:01:58.840 who's gone through

01:01:59.840 a divorce

01:02:00.100 I mean I don't think

01:02:00.800 since Woody and Mia

01:02:01.600 frankly

01:02:02.080 it's been something

01:02:03.080 like this

01:02:03.480 disgusting

01:02:04.100 you know

01:02:05.000 like have your dignity

01:02:06.220 do you

01:02:07.040 I mean other than

01:02:07.880 someone who's a sworn

01:02:09.020 enemy of yours

01:02:10.280 have you ever

01:02:11.400 talked that negatively

01:02:12.960 about somebody

01:02:14.280 uniformly

01:02:15.180 you know like

01:02:15.980 you can never say

01:02:17.340 anything nice about them

01:02:18.140 it's like

01:02:18.460 okay now there are

01:02:19.380 public figures who

01:02:20.000 we don't like

01:02:20.460 and we criticize

01:02:20.960 but like someone

01:02:21.520 who's in your life

01:02:22.420 who you get asked about

01:02:23.680 like it's just so bizarre

01:02:25.200 I don't

01:02:26.100 and her defense now

01:02:27.560 because it's coming

01:02:28.340 in the news

01:02:29.620 you know like

01:02:29.980 her negativity

01:02:30.740 about him

01:02:31.220 has made news

01:02:31.720 not just with the

01:02:32.500 you's and the

01:02:32.940 me's of the world

01:02:33.580 and her defense

01:02:34.860 now she keeps

01:02:35.360 sliding in here

01:02:36.120 and there

01:02:36.460 is

01:02:36.880 it's me trying

01:02:38.400 to humanize him

01:02:39.460 trying to humanize him

01:02:41.200 and Mia's like

01:02:42.240 okay

01:02:42.800 Barack Obama

01:02:44.040 is one of the

01:02:45.360 most recognizable

01:02:46.200 famous people

01:02:47.120 in the world

01:02:48.020 we don't need you

01:02:49.360 anymore

01:02:49.900 to make introductions

01:02:51.100 for Barack Obama

01:02:52.220 or to humanize him

01:02:53.800 anymore

01:02:54.340 like we know

01:02:55.540 who he is

01:02:56.180 it's a known commodity

01:02:57.640 like it's very clear

01:02:59.420 you're doing it

01:02:59.960 because you can't

01:03:01.200 stand him

01:03:01.820 and what I've found

01:03:02.880 is I listen to her

01:03:03.780 go on and on

01:03:04.600 about how bad he is

01:03:05.700 and how bad

01:03:06.140 about how bad

01:03:07.320 her life is

01:03:08.180 and how the

01:03:09.180 White House sucked

01:03:10.020 she's just like

01:03:10.840 Meghan Markle

01:03:11.380 my castle is too small

01:03:13.340 and then there's

01:03:14.300 Michelle Obama

01:03:14.940 the White House

01:03:16.080 made me pay

01:03:16.660 for my own groceries

01:03:17.880 like these two

01:03:19.180 entitled

01:03:20.020 have it all people

01:03:21.580 the more I

01:03:23.460 really start

01:03:24.240 hoping that he

01:03:25.000 is having that

01:03:25.760 affair with

01:03:26.220 Jennifer Aniston

01:03:26.880 that's

01:03:27.440 who could blame him

01:03:29.800 I mean

01:03:31.780 who could blame him

01:03:33.120 I mean I actually

01:03:33.800 really did love

01:03:34.460 your theory

01:03:35.160 when I was

01:03:35.920 in your studio

01:03:36.620 it was maybe

01:03:37.840 a couple of months

01:03:38.340 ago and you were

01:03:38.760 like

01:03:38.900 I don't think

01:03:40.280 his next great

01:03:41.100 romance is with

01:03:41.780 a woman

01:03:42.160 you're right

01:03:43.280 right

01:03:44.040 if I heard

01:03:45.360 it was like

01:03:45.960 I don't know

01:03:46.440 some guy

01:03:47.220 who worked

01:03:47.760 in his garden

01:03:48.420 I might

01:03:48.940 believe it

01:03:49.580 no that is

01:03:52.300 that is

01:03:52.740 absolutely

01:03:53.300 the point

01:03:53.940 and when I

01:03:54.540 heard you

01:03:55.140 the other

01:03:55.500 day

01:03:56.080 taking this

01:03:57.040 apart

01:03:57.420 where she

01:03:57.800 was

01:03:58.040 bitching

01:03:58.520 about

01:03:58.840 having to

01:03:59.520 buy her

01:03:59.820 own groceries

01:04:00.380 while she

01:04:01.560 was living

01:04:01.940 for free

01:04:02.440 in the

01:04:02.740 White House

01:04:03.280 a staff

01:04:04.160 that was

01:04:04.460 paid for

01:04:04.980 I didn't

01:04:05.640 even know

01:04:06.040 prior to

01:04:06.580 her latest

01:04:07.340 bitch sesh

01:04:08.280 that the

01:04:09.700 first lady

01:04:10.300 has her own

01:04:11.060 plane

01:04:11.440 and that

01:04:12.020 it's called

01:04:12.480 Bright Star

01:04:13.100 right

01:04:14.220 but she still

01:04:15.480 found a way

01:04:16.020 to complain

01:04:16.540 about it

01:04:17.060 so let

01:04:19.160 me just

01:04:19.360 get this

01:04:19.620 straight

01:04:19.800 we the

01:04:20.280 people

01:04:20.640 moved you

01:04:21.620 and your

01:04:21.800 whole family

01:04:22.180 into the

01:04:22.400 White House

01:04:22.700 we gave

01:04:23.440 him Air

01:04:24.220 Force One

01:04:24.800 we gave

01:04:25.560 you your

01:04:26.040 own plane

01:04:26.580 you're in

01:04:27.780 a 55,000

01:04:28.560 square foot

01:04:28.980 mansion

01:04:29.280 with an

01:04:29.700 18 acre

01:04:30.660 estate

01:04:31.240 around you

01:04:31.740 your own

01:04:32.120 rose garden

01:04:32.720 your own

01:04:33.120 staff

01:04:33.560 your own

01:04:33.920 wing

01:04:34.440 you know

01:04:35.480 she's got

01:04:36.080 the east

01:04:36.380 wing

01:04:36.560 okay all

01:04:37.360 of that

01:04:37.720 you're

01:04:38.700 universally

01:04:39.420 beloved

01:04:39.860 and celebrated

01:04:40.420 and put

01:04:40.780 on magazine

01:04:41.260 covers

01:04:41.580 you name

01:04:42.000 your own

01:04:42.360 book

01:04:42.600 becoming

01:04:43.180 who does

01:04:44.060 that

01:04:44.260 okay but

01:04:44.660 you're still

01:04:45.460 celebrated

01:04:45.960 as one of

01:04:46.360 the world's

01:04:46.740 most lovely

01:04:47.540 and loved

01:04:48.640 people

01:04:49.060 okay and

01:04:50.300 you're still

01:04:50.980 unhappy about

01:04:51.820 what again

01:04:52.380 about the

01:04:53.180 fact that

01:04:53.600 when the

01:04:53.980 girls ride

01:04:54.600 on the

01:04:54.900 plane

01:04:55.240 you have

01:04:57.420 to pay

01:04:57.680 the equivalent

01:04:58.460 of an

01:04:58.880 airline ticket

01:04:59.780 for them

01:05:00.400 and you

01:05:01.280 have to

01:05:01.660 pay for

01:05:02.020 your own

01:05:02.660 food

01:05:03.360 like every

01:05:05.020 other human

01:05:06.100 alive

01:05:06.780 like all

01:05:08.760 of us

01:05:09.300 right like

01:05:09.960 who's going

01:05:10.920 to she's so

01:05:11.600 out of touch

01:05:12.100 she doesn't

01:05:12.440 realize we're

01:05:12.780 not going to

01:05:13.040 feel sorry

01:05:13.560 for her for

01:05:14.080 having to pay

01:05:14.640 for her groceries

01:05:15.440 and her

01:05:16.260 kids

01:05:16.540 airlines

01:05:17.200 the balls

01:05:18.840 on her

01:05:19.180 no pun

01:05:19.780 intend

01:05:20.020 you know

01:05:20.380 I'm just

01:05:20.640 saying like

01:05:21.080 the nerve

01:05:22.020 the nerve

01:05:23.080 to say

01:05:23.980 I had to

01:05:24.740 pay for my

01:05:25.540 groceries

01:05:26.060 like all

01:05:26.780 of us do

01:05:27.140 is she

01:05:27.720 paying for

01:05:28.320 like gas

01:05:28.920 and electric

01:05:29.400 in the

01:05:29.760 white house

01:05:30.180 I doubt

01:05:30.760 it

01:05:30.980 is she

01:05:31.420 paying for

01:05:31.800 the pool

01:05:32.280 guy

01:05:32.720 to clean

01:05:33.500 the in-house

01:05:34.220 white house

01:05:34.900 pool

01:05:35.280 or the

01:05:35.660 bowling alley

01:05:36.380 or the

01:05:36.740 screening room

01:05:37.520 where they

01:05:37.780 have movie

01:05:38.220 stars come

01:05:38.940 and get

01:05:39.260 first run

01:05:40.160 pictures of

01:05:40.740 whatever they

01:05:41.180 want to see

01:05:41.600 no no

01:05:42.240 and no

01:05:42.940 no

01:05:43.940 she doesn't

01:05:44.820 even have

01:05:45.060 to stop

01:05:45.420 in traffic

01:05:46.500 and even

01:05:47.340 now she's

01:05:48.020 like you know

01:05:48.480 but I really

01:05:49.520 deeply worry

01:05:50.300 about my

01:05:50.880 country and

01:05:51.440 my daughters

01:05:51.860 not me

01:05:52.580 I have my

01:05:53.460 four car

01:05:53.900 motorcade

01:05:54.460 and law

01:05:54.940 enforcement

01:05:55.300 following me

01:05:55.820 everywhere

01:05:56.100 I'm Michelle

01:05:57.200 Obama

01:05:57.720 but my

01:05:58.720 daughters

01:05:59.120 they're only

01:06:00.020 barely recognizable

01:06:00.960 and they're

01:06:01.640 brown so they

01:06:02.320 can be picked

01:06:02.860 up at any

01:06:03.380 moment by this

01:06:04.040 evil Trump's

01:06:04.780 department

01:06:05.160 and sent

01:06:06.160 off to El

01:06:06.680 Salvador

01:06:07.020 so I'm

01:06:07.520 deeply

01:06:07.880 worried about

01:06:08.500 my two

01:06:08.920 privileged

01:06:09.300 daughters

01:06:09.740 and all

01:06:10.680 brown people

01:06:11.220 in America

01:06:11.700 because the

01:06:12.220 country's

01:06:12.700 racist

01:06:13.100 you see

01:06:13.720 the country

01:06:14.480 that made

01:06:15.000 me at least

01:06:16.260 a hundred

01:06:16.660 millionaire

01:06:17.120 probably closer

01:06:18.500 to a billionaire

01:06:19.140 now is

01:06:19.900 racist to

01:06:21.180 its core

01:06:21.960 poor me

01:06:23.960 I was screwed

01:06:25.240 over in the

01:06:25.880 White House

01:06:26.380 I'm still getting

01:06:27.480 screwed over

01:06:28.080 and poor

01:06:28.620 brother Craig

01:06:29.520 is there

01:06:30.020 like it's

01:06:31.060 even worse

01:06:31.560 than you

01:06:31.920 thought

01:06:32.220 sister Michelle

01:06:33.040 as bad

01:06:34.360 as you think

01:06:34.740 you had it

01:06:35.120 you had it

01:06:35.500 even worse

01:06:35.960 like her

01:06:36.400 enabler

01:06:37.200 codependent

01:06:38.440 brother

01:06:38.780 her brother

01:06:39.920 frankly seems

01:06:40.600 terrified of

01:06:41.220 her

01:06:41.440 he really

01:06:43.440 does

01:06:43.880 like every

01:06:45.040 time he

01:06:46.220 he dares to

01:06:47.200 gently contradict

01:06:48.060 her she'll be

01:06:48.720 like nope

01:06:49.220 that's not the

01:06:49.720 way it happened

01:06:50.180 and he'll be

01:06:50.520 like you're

01:06:50.840 right

01:06:51.120 you're right

01:06:51.960 yes like

01:06:52.800 when he was

01:06:53.680 like well

01:06:54.480 you know maybe

01:06:55.000 if we knew

01:06:55.720 if we knew

01:06:56.440 you weren't

01:06:56.860 feeling great

01:06:57.840 you know like

01:06:58.640 we guys we

01:06:59.600 would say

01:06:59.980 something and

01:07:00.600 then she's

01:07:01.280 like we

01:07:02.100 shouldn't have

01:07:02.540 to ask we

01:07:03.400 shouldn't have

01:07:03.680 to tell you

01:07:04.320 you know snap

01:07:05.420 back but like

01:07:06.240 you should just

01:07:07.300 figure it out

01:07:07.980 she totally

01:07:09.360 did she also

01:07:10.060 criticized him

01:07:11.300 and you know

01:07:12.100 men in general

01:07:12.980 for the way

01:07:14.040 they interpersonally

01:07:15.080 relate right

01:07:15.760 like if they

01:07:16.200 have a friendship

01:07:16.760 conflict men

01:07:18.080 among men

01:07:18.740 they just sort

01:07:19.560 of hash it out

01:07:20.160 they forget it

01:07:20.700 it's a bygone

01:07:21.400 it is never

01:07:22.020 revisited

01:07:22.600 they never

01:07:23.040 exhume that

01:07:23.880 grievance

01:07:24.460 and she's

01:07:25.460 saying she

01:07:25.900 thinks that's

01:07:26.540 the wrong way

01:07:27.120 to go in

01:07:27.520 life because

01:07:28.580 Michelle the

01:07:29.200 master of

01:07:29.860 grievances

01:07:30.360 likes to

01:07:31.520 hash that

01:07:32.340 shit out

01:07:32.940 she likes to

01:07:33.640 beat that

01:07:34.400 carcass further

01:07:35.880 into the ground

01:07:36.600 and she will

01:07:37.160 not let go

01:07:37.980 and you have

01:07:38.680 to have like

01:07:39.140 a multi-day

01:07:40.020 summit and

01:07:41.180 then revisit

01:07:41.760 that maybe

01:07:42.300 months down

01:07:42.880 the road

01:07:43.240 and she's

01:07:43.740 saying that's

01:07:44.320 the healthy

01:07:44.840 way to be

01:07:45.640 yeah so

01:07:47.020 that's the

01:07:47.480 difference between

01:07:48.600 her spouse

01:07:50.040 who doesn't

01:07:51.080 seem to put

01:07:51.680 up with her

01:07:52.520 nonsense and

01:07:53.280 her endless

01:07:53.980 wanting you know

01:07:54.760 to have these

01:07:55.160 talks about

01:07:55.740 everything and

01:07:57.100 Meghan's spouse

01:07:58.240 because Meghan

01:07:59.800 married somebody

01:08:00.660 who is not

01:08:01.200 well Meghan

01:08:01.960 Markle like

01:08:02.640 Prince Harry

01:08:03.340 is a weak

01:08:04.380 damaged man

01:08:05.960 who doesn't

01:08:06.840 have the

01:08:07.360 inner strength

01:08:07.860 that Barack

01:08:08.360 Obama has

01:08:09.000 even though

01:08:09.680 I mean

01:08:09.960 listen I

01:08:10.380 understand

01:08:10.640 Barack

01:08:10.900 Obama's

01:08:11.260 faults

01:08:11.460 and the

01:08:12.080 vein

01:08:12.440 and all

01:08:12.840 like

01:08:13.040 all of

01:08:14.500 that

01:08:14.660 but he

01:08:15.480 doesn't

01:08:15.960 have

01:08:16.440 like such

01:08:17.260 a tiny

01:08:17.740 id the

01:08:18.800 way Harry

01:08:19.280 does

01:08:19.620 who does

01:08:20.360 like he

01:08:20.980 doesn't really

01:08:21.440 have a

01:08:21.700 fundamental

01:08:21.960 sense of

01:08:22.460 himself

01:08:22.760 and so

01:08:23.180 he was

01:08:23.700 so easy

01:08:24.900 for Meghan

01:08:25.620 Markle to

01:08:26.300 manipulate

01:08:27.000 all she

01:08:28.760 needed

01:08:29.240 was that

01:08:29.960 first meeting

01:08:30.660 she was

01:08:31.320 totally

01:08:31.920 right

01:08:32.460 that he

01:08:33.440 would be

01:08:33.800 like putty

01:08:34.460 in her

01:08:34.920 hands

01:08:35.460 that he

01:08:36.360 would buy

01:08:36.840 he's too

01:08:37.200 dumb

01:08:37.640 you know

01:08:37.900 of course

01:08:38.180 he bought

01:08:38.740 every act

01:08:39.760 she delivered

01:08:40.440 hook line

01:08:41.020 and sinker

01:08:41.620 her little

01:08:42.040 ingenue

01:08:42.880 I'm so

01:08:43.680 sweet and

01:08:44.200 innocent

01:08:44.480 I don't

01:08:44.940 even know

01:08:45.300 who the

01:08:45.580 queen is

01:08:46.240 I had

01:08:46.800 no idea

01:08:47.420 you were

01:08:47.820 a prince

01:08:48.460 and he

01:08:49.320 ran with

01:08:49.920 it

01:08:50.040 he was

01:08:50.300 so easy

01:08:50.800 to manipulate

01:08:51.340 but Barack

01:08:52.340 is stronger

01:08:53.000 so Michelle

01:08:54.120 has gone

01:08:54.580 like further

01:08:55.280 into the

01:08:55.840 doldrums

01:08:56.440 of like

01:08:56.780 the only

01:08:57.860 thing

01:08:58.060 miserable

01:08:58.320 people want

01:08:59.660 is to make

01:09:00.060 others

01:09:00.340 miserable too

01:09:01.060 and she

01:09:01.560 can't seem

01:09:01.960 to do it

01:09:02.420 with him

01:09:02.740 she's only

01:09:04.240 gotten more

01:09:04.780 angry in my

01:09:05.420 opinion

01:09:05.740 because she

01:09:07.180 can't do it

01:09:07.760 to him

01:09:08.020 he's got too

01:09:08.660 big a life

01:09:09.220 he's too

01:09:09.840 important to

01:09:10.300 too many

01:09:10.560 people

01:09:10.940 and she's

01:09:11.960 not his

01:09:12.640 only company

01:09:13.240 and he

01:09:14.760 will not

01:09:15.200 take the

01:09:15.560 bait

01:09:15.800 he will not

01:09:16.760 allow himself

01:09:17.480 to be debased

01:09:18.180 this way

01:09:18.740 like he's

01:09:19.400 kind of

01:09:19.680 gray rocking

01:09:20.220 it

01:09:20.500 he's not

01:09:21.060 responding

01:09:21.800 to any

01:09:22.260 of it

01:09:22.620 and he

01:09:23.500 does strike

01:09:24.240 me

01:09:24.480 fundamentally

01:09:25.100 as an

01:09:25.820 optimistic

01:09:26.440 person

01:09:27.400 he strikes

01:09:27.980 me as

01:09:28.260 somebody

01:09:28.480 who really

01:09:29.020 enjoys

01:09:29.380 life

01:09:29.860 and he's

01:09:32.680 not going

01:09:32.920 to get

01:09:33.280 down in

01:09:33.680 the mud

01:09:34.020 with this

01:09:34.560 and I

01:09:34.920 think you're

01:09:35.220 right

01:09:35.380 I think

01:09:35.620 his lack

01:09:36.640 of response

01:09:37.140 is sending

01:09:37.560 her into

01:09:38.480 a further

01:09:39.020 and further

01:09:39.620 rage spiral

01:09:40.660 because she

01:09:41.160 can't get

01:09:41.620 what she

01:09:41.940 wants

01:09:42.380 any attention

01:09:43.380 is better

01:09:43.840 than no

01:09:44.220 attention

01:09:44.680 and it

01:09:45.480 goes to

01:09:46.220 her husband

01:09:46.600 it goes

01:09:46.940 to her

01:09:47.280 flailing

01:09:47.860 podcast

01:09:48.440 she's got

01:09:49.280 nothing to

01:09:49.700 offer us

01:09:50.220 anymore

01:09:50.640 how can

01:09:52.420 she still

01:09:52.840 be so angry

01:09:53.380 about America

01:09:53.880 that's my

01:09:54.340 big point

01:09:55.200 it's like

01:09:55.640 okay you

01:09:57.100 don't like

01:09:57.460 him

01:09:57.640 you married

01:09:57.920 the wrong

01:09:58.220 man

01:09:58.420 you're on

01:09:58.860 your podcast

01:09:59.400 talking about

01:09:59.840 well sometimes

01:10:00.580 there's a bad

01:10:01.200 decade in a

01:10:02.200 marriage

01:10:02.440 no there

01:10:03.100 isn't

01:10:03.640 no there

01:10:04.340 isn't

01:10:04.820 those marriages

01:10:06.380 end in

01:10:06.920 divorce

01:10:07.260 that's that

01:10:07.860 is not a

01:10:08.300 thing Michelle

01:10:08.860 sorry to

01:10:09.360 tell you

01:10:09.760 but so

01:10:11.960 she's out

01:10:12.380 there but

01:10:12.640 she's still

01:10:13.180 mad at the

01:10:13.680 country

01:10:14.120 like you

01:10:14.640 hear her

01:10:15.220 she never

01:10:16.000 makes a

01:10:16.560 positive

01:10:16.980 reference to

01:10:17.760 the United

01:10:18.340 States

01:10:18.900 or her

01:10:19.660 experience

01:10:20.220 of it

01:10:20.620 it's always

01:10:21.540 about how

01:10:22.640 racist we

01:10:23.400 are

01:10:23.540 we elected

01:10:24.440 her husband

01:10:24.880 twice

01:10:26.020 twice

01:10:27.040 and celebrated

01:10:28.280 her I mean

01:10:28.740 she's still

01:10:29.400 as far as I

01:10:30.460 know to this

01:10:30.940 day is one

01:10:32.080 of the most

01:10:32.680 popular figures

01:10:33.840 in the country

01:10:35.340 it's never

01:10:36.480 enough she's so

01:10:37.700 much happier

01:10:38.680 talking about her

01:10:40.080 anger and her

01:10:41.500 disappointment in

01:10:43.140 the failure that we

01:10:44.380 all are to her

01:10:45.220 100% and in

01:10:48.120 that vein I

01:10:49.080 wanted to know

01:10:49.920 your thoughts

01:10:50.860 about the

01:10:52.020 bonkers BBC

01:10:53.020 interview that

01:10:54.000 Harry gave this

01:10:54.880 week or last

01:10:55.860 Friday but it's got

01:10:56.660 legs for days

01:10:57.520 in which he

01:10:58.560 says two

01:10:59.320 two things

01:11:00.300 that do not

01:11:01.220 go together

01:11:01.720 he implies

01:11:02.880 that the

01:11:03.420 British royal

01:11:04.080 family had

01:11:05.360 something to

01:11:05.820 do with

01:11:06.120 Diana's death

01:11:06.980 that they

01:11:08.100 would like

01:11:08.700 to see

01:11:09.400 grievous

01:11:10.140 harm we

01:11:10.900 know what

01:11:11.180 that means

01:11:11.840 come to

01:11:12.820 Harry and

01:11:13.740 Meghan and

01:11:14.260 their two

01:11:14.620 small innocent

01:11:15.320 children and

01:11:16.460 also that he

01:11:16.940 would love to

01:11:17.460 get back in

01:11:18.020 would love

01:11:19.940 nothing more

01:11:20.540 than to get

01:11:21.000 back in

01:11:21.520 yes this is

01:11:23.140 why I love

01:11:23.540 you Maureen

01:11:23.980 doesn't everyone

01:11:24.500 love the nerve

01:11:25.020 I genuinely

01:11:25.820 love the show

01:11:26.340 I have not

01:11:26.660 missed one

01:11:27.020 thank you

01:11:27.540 so you're

01:11:29.520 right they're

01:11:29.920 not these two

01:11:30.900 things are

01:11:31.300 incongruous and

01:11:32.200 because one of

01:11:32.860 them and that

01:11:33.600 means one of

01:11:33.980 them is not

01:11:34.500 true and the

01:11:35.080 one that is not

01:11:36.000 true is his

01:11:36.800 desire for

01:11:37.320 reconciliation he

01:11:38.740 does believe all

01:11:39.740 those things I

01:11:40.720 think he actually

01:11:41.300 does believe them

01:11:42.080 I think it

01:11:43.200 stems back to

01:11:44.260 his childhood

01:11:44.760 trauma which was

01:11:45.860 genuine at the

01:11:46.840 loss of his

01:11:47.300 mother the way

01:11:47.820 she died and

01:11:49.200 unlike William who

01:11:50.360 also had the

01:11:51.300 same trauma and

01:11:52.380 was only a

01:11:52.900 couple of years

01:11:53.480 older than

01:11:54.640 Harry dealt

01:11:55.900 with it like he

01:11:56.840 dealt with it and

01:11:57.920 went on to have a

01:11:59.060 relatively it looks

01:12:00.280 like from the

01:12:00.660 outside anyway healthy

01:12:01.820 family life in his

01:12:03.680 own you know created

01:12:04.580 family and Harry has

01:12:07.200 not been able to get

01:12:08.220 over it and I

01:12:08.920 almost think like the

01:12:10.340 way if your parents

01:12:12.120 abuse you you'll

01:12:13.060 marry an abuser you

01:12:14.280 know like there's

01:12:14.680 some things

01:12:15.040 psychologically that

01:12:15.980 makes yeah makes

01:12:16.780 you like need a

01:12:17.860 redo over and over

01:12:18.920 hoping for another

01:12:19.600 outcome he's like

01:12:21.280 you with the way

01:12:22.520 he talks about

01:12:23.160 something happening

01:12:23.800 happening to him

01:12:24.700 or Megan it it's

01:12:27.420 got like a hopeful

01:12:28.300 tinge to it you

01:12:30.120 can sense he he

01:12:32.600 almost wants something

01:12:34.200 to happen but so

01:12:36.080 that he can be like

01:12:37.240 I told you see it's

01:12:40.160 my mother all over

01:12:41.200 again like he needs

01:12:42.080 it like he needs to

01:12:43.220 feel special he needs

01:12:44.920 to feel under attack

01:12:46.260 she does too I mean

01:12:47.960 they create these fake

01:12:49.960 dramas around them to

01:12:51.900 try to you know it's

01:12:53.320 it's almost like

01:12:53.820 Maureen um I remember

01:12:55.580 when I was a little

01:12:56.000 kid I might have

01:12:58.480 broken a toe I don't

01:13:00.400 know I went with it

01:13:01.800 it's broken I'm like I

01:13:03.640 need a cast I need

01:13:05.080 crutches you know I

01:13:06.760 couldn't wait to go to

01:13:07.760 school because I loved

01:13:09.060 attention and I was

01:13:10.320 like this is gonna

01:13:11.200 attract all sorts of

01:13:12.160 attention to me now I

01:13:13.200 was still in the single

01:13:14.080 digits when I did this

01:13:15.420 and now like with my

01:13:17.000 kids I can see it

01:13:17.640 happening from a mile

01:13:18.400 away when they do it

01:13:19.040 they can get away

01:13:19.500 with nothing but

01:13:20.320 that's how he still

01:13:21.520 is and Meghan Markle

01:13:23.340 too like he needs

01:13:24.900 the drama of like

01:13:25.800 they're out to get

01:13:26.960 us they wanna kill

01:13:28.480 us the press is gonna

01:13:30.880 lead to Meghan getting

01:13:32.120 killed just like my

01:13:33.220 mother all the stuff

01:13:34.800 I just mentioned is

01:13:35.500 like combined to

01:13:37.020 create this delusional

01:13:39.040 paranoid sad sack that

01:13:42.980 used to be a sought

01:13:44.400 after Prince and now

01:13:45.560 it's just sort of like

01:13:46.320 a charity case where

01:13:47.320 you're like oh oh

01:13:49.200 it's it's it's you're

01:13:52.700 so right about that

01:13:53.780 sort of arrested

01:13:54.660 behavior you know I

01:13:56.680 think William one of

01:13:57.580 the healthiest things

01:13:58.420 he did part of him

01:14:00.060 falling in love with

01:14:00.940 Catherine Princess of

01:14:02.180 Wales I really think

01:14:03.120 had to do with her

01:14:04.040 family of origin and

01:14:05.820 they were intact and

01:14:07.100 they were loving and

01:14:08.180 they seem to have a

01:14:09.000 very healthy emotional

01:14:10.440 sort of relationship

01:14:12.260 amongst all of all of

01:14:13.920 them and he was very

01:14:14.780 attracted to that and

01:14:16.360 I think he found that

01:14:17.180 normalcy and that

01:14:18.220 groundedness and and

01:14:19.480 the things that you

01:14:20.300 know he was maybe

01:14:21.000 lacking given his

01:14:22.140 birthright and Harry

01:14:24.220 meanwhile was just left

01:14:26.740 to stew in it and I

01:14:28.980 think the thing too that

01:14:30.240 you're saying is so

01:14:31.200 right on and it's so

01:14:32.260 perverse because like in

01:14:33.620 that BBC interview he

01:14:34.720 was bragging that like

01:14:35.780 on the on the threat hit

01:14:37.120 list he's number one

01:14:38.120 yeah like he's right

01:14:39.720 sure I would not be

01:14:41.300 bragging about that if I've

01:14:42.500 if if a government

01:14:43.640 agency came to me and

01:14:44.620 said you know what

01:14:45.220 Maureen suddenly for

01:14:46.700 whatever reason you're

01:14:47.660 like at the top of the

01:14:48.740 list of people who are

01:14:49.520 going to be like in

01:14:50.200 grave danger I would be

01:14:51.640 like let me not let me

01:14:53.460 not publicize that right

01:14:54.820 right that doesn't seem

01:14:56.000 bright right no he's I've

01:14:58.880 never seen somebody so

01:15:00.120 anxious to disclose his

01:15:01.680 alleged security threats

01:15:02.780 I mean it's it is

01:15:04.640 strange like I actually

01:15:06.380 had a very very dark

01:15:07.940 period when I first

01:15:08.920 became a journalist

01:15:09.620 where I developed a very

01:15:11.180 bad stalker I was nobody

01:15:13.100 knew who I was I was on

01:15:14.320 the weekend shifts on

01:15:15.200 Fox but I know nobody

01:15:16.560 knew you weren't that

01:15:18.380 famous yet not at all

01:15:19.920 not at all but just

01:15:20.680 happened to be the one

01:15:21.500 person who developed this

01:15:22.480 very dangerous stalker

01:15:23.680 and now I talk about it

01:15:25.600 this 20 years ago right

01:15:26.880 like so long resolve the

01:15:27.940 guy went to jail for 10

01:15:28.920 years but at the time I

01:15:32.340 would rather be caught

01:15:34.060 dead I was like hell no

01:15:37.280 anything I say could

01:15:39.720 like encourage the

01:15:41.180 person or create another

01:15:42.520 such person or like if

01:15:44.680 you're actually under

01:15:45.820 threat and genuinely

01:15:46.740 afraid for your safety

01:15:47.760 you don't want to go

01:15:49.740 anywhere near that

01:15:52.340 discussion and the whole

01:15:54.060 lawsuit with the family

01:15:55.260 and the security that was

01:15:56.360 just his attempt to to

01:15:58.120 like win you know to

01:16:00.120 punish them to say like

01:16:01.420 you're not in control of

01:16:02.520 me like I will get what

01:16:03.780 I'm entitled to I'm a

01:16:05.020 prince of England you

01:16:06.260 know I will have it

01:16:07.240 because we all know

01:16:09.120 number one he has the

01:16:10.780 money to pay for private

01:16:11.600 security all the private

01:16:13.240 security he wants now

01:16:14.560 right it's true you

01:16:15.980 cannot arm them in

01:16:18.200 Great Britain they're not

01:16:19.180 allowed to carry guns so

01:16:20.740 that's a diminishment of

01:16:22.580 full protection but it's

01:16:24.000 what Taylor Swift has to

01:16:25.300 deal with it's what Tom

01:16:26.940 Cruise has to deal with

01:16:27.920 it's what every massive

01:16:29.040 star way more famous than

01:16:30.300 Harry has to deal with

01:16:31.820 when they go to the UK and

01:16:33.780 speaking of stalkers I

01:16:35.100 guarantee you Taylor Swift

01:16:36.060 is in far more danger at

01:16:37.380 any public appearance than

01:16:38.840 Prince Harry is so but

01:16:40.460 but the second point Dan

01:16:42.540 wouldn't told me he he's

01:16:44.400 he broke Meg said he's

01:16:45.660 broken all these big royal

01:16:46.940 stories that the the king

01:16:49.520 said to Harry okay Queen

01:16:52.080 Elizabeth said you cannot

01:16:53.020 have the security the same

01:16:55.720 as you would if you were

01:16:56.400 working royal we cannot look

01:16:57.820 at the taxpayers and tell

01:16:58.760 them they have to foot that

01:16:59.580 bill since you're not doing

01:17:00.700 any work for us and you've

01:17:01.700 fled the coop and you're

01:17:02.520 trying to make money off of

01:17:03.760 all our stories on Netflix

01:17:04.700 but whenever you come here

01:17:07.940 you can stay in Buckingham

01:17:10.760 Palace and you get all the

01:17:13.500 security that comes with

01:17:15.240 that and Harry refuses to do

01:17:17.780 it even though Maureen no

01:17:19.320 one's in Buckingham Palace

01:17:20.400 William and Kate are at a

01:17:22.880 different palace and so are

01:17:24.400 Charles and Camilla so we'd

01:17:25.720 have Buckingham Palace to

01:17:27.920 himself with all the security

01:17:29.820 and he still is on the BBC

01:17:31.440 going boo fucking who feel

01:17:34.500 sorry for me incredible such a

01:17:37.760 great point and like let's say

01:17:38.960 even a family member happened to

01:17:41.440 be in Buckingham Palace it's like

01:17:42.760 you could conceivably never see

01:17:45.200 them okay you've got like 85

01:17:47.900 rooms and staff and foot soldiers

01:17:51.040 and it's all going to be fine um I

01:17:53.800 wanted to ask you the diddy trial

01:17:55.420 we are in day four it's it's

01:17:58.060 happening in New York City they

01:17:59.240 are still winnowing down this

01:18:00.380 jury pool and the judge in the

01:18:02.780 case said that the celebrity

01:18:04.280 names that are documented and

01:18:06.920 submitted to the court are like

01:18:08.620 this thick he compared it to the

01:18:10.240 Lord of the Rings book okay so

01:18:12.920 have you heard about some of the

01:18:14.760 celebrity names that have come

01:18:15.760 out I heard it on the nerve I

01:18:17.700 think you were talking about on

01:18:18.960 your last episode and then the

01:18:21.640 latest I heard was that she

01:18:23.820 wasn't a celebrity witness but

01:18:24.960 she was the key one of the key

01:18:26.560 accusers has gone missing what

01:18:29.020 yeah I didn't hear that yeah and

01:18:31.660 she was supposed to show up and

01:18:33.420 they can't find her and there's a

01:18:35.800 search I don't know if she's

01:18:36.660 absconded like she's having

01:18:37.860 second thoughts about testifying or

01:18:39.440 there was even just a

01:18:40.780 miscommunication issue that caused

01:18:42.600 her not to show up but I'm sure

01:18:44.680 people are very intimidated about

01:18:46.600 walking into that courtroom and

01:18:47.820 testifying against him I mean I

01:18:49.740 have an even more sinister

01:18:50.780 thought that somebody did away

01:18:53.440 with her yeah I mean or

01:18:56.320 intimidated her to the point that

01:18:58.120 she fled for her life yeah well

01:19:00.360 look we we saw him beat his

01:19:02.800 ex-girlfriend and then we read the

01:19:04.880 allegations from the the main

01:19:07.720 ex-girlfriend who's like one of the

01:19:08.900 main accusers in this case Cassie

01:19:10.360 who's gonna take the stand and then

01:19:12.560 you know allegedly setting the car on

01:19:15.720 fire of the kid yep cuddy kid cuddy

01:19:17.820 yeah they liked the same person you

01:19:19.780 know the same woman like if he's

01:19:21.340 capable of all of that allegedly I

01:19:24.220 mean we know the beating happened we

01:19:26.200 saw it with our own eyes in a hotel

01:19:28.180 hallway yeah then how far would he go

01:19:32.320 I like I don't know I mean look I

01:19:35.120 said this on my show this week and

01:19:36.160 it's true I went to the Met Gala I

01:19:39.320 went two years Maureen and what I

01:19:42.440 remember yes you know Anna Wintour and

01:19:45.740 I used to be well no we weren't

01:19:47.180 friends but she was cozying up to me

01:19:49.700 when she thought Trump didn't like me

01:19:51.180 she was like oh then that I must like

01:19:52.580 her so I went there and the thing I

01:19:55.600 remember most from being there was

01:19:57.140 P Diddy in the restroom of the Met it

01:20:01.960 was the women's room that's why I was

01:20:03.340 there dry humping a Kardashian like I

01:20:07.380 heard the dry humping anecdote but I

01:20:09.000 don't think you revealed the name

01:20:10.320 yeah it was there were multiple

01:20:12.180 Kardashians in there and like that

01:20:15.420 other sort of lame supermodel version

01:20:17.300 you know like not the real supermodels

01:20:18.720 like we grew up with but like these

01:20:19.900 new influencer types right right all in

01:20:22.060 there no one was using the bathroom

01:20:23.380 they were smoking and dry humping and

01:20:26.640 that was P Diddy like I'm just saying

01:20:28.520 there's a pattern of disrespect for

01:20:30.540 others and our sacred places and things

01:20:33.680 that should be treated as inviolate and

01:20:36.060 it applies to places and it applies to

01:20:38.220 people and I have no idea what this

01:20:40.300 guy's capable of but I think it's

01:20:41.980 probably worse than we can even imagine

01:20:44.680 so if I were in the SDNY I'd be really

01:20:49.560 seriously considering getting all of my

01:20:51.160 witnesses protection and making sure

01:20:54.940 that neither he nor his people had any

01:20:57.740 way of threatening or accessing them

01:20:59.860 can I just get back to the Met bathroom

01:21:02.460 for a moment the important part of this

01:21:04.820 story yes so pity's in pity diddy is it

01:21:08.800 P Diddy whatever pity works dry humping a

01:21:13.540 Kardashian as other Kardashian siblings are

01:21:17.120 in there watching and smoking that is so

01:21:20.340 disgusting yeah like the smoking is less

01:21:23.140 disgusting than like I mean in the

01:21:24.900 siblings watching you engage in a sexual

01:21:27.120 act it's so gross well look it's like the

01:21:30.160 Met you can't smoke in the Met like fine

01:21:33.200 you're gonna be a smoker it's fine but like

01:21:34.600 truly some of our most sacred works of

01:21:36.880 art are inside the Met there's no smoking

01:21:39.800 you cannot smoke and Doug was in the men's

01:21:42.420 room with two people whose names you would

01:21:44.860 definitely know who are of the tech world

01:21:47.020 snorting coke like this is a lovely gala

01:21:50.320 these are the people who think there are

01:21:52.080 betters who look down at you know the great

01:21:54.760 unwashed is like oh they're gonna come to

01:21:56.920 Anna Wintar's the Met Gala but it's no surprise to me that this guy wound up being a

01:22:02.140 complete cretin and I don't know whether SDNY's got the case made I really don't because you

01:22:08.420 know for the same reasons you guys were discussing with the lawyer on your case on

01:22:11.440 your show the other day I'm sure he's going to argue I love sex parties people love to give

01:22:17.160 it up to me for free because I was rich and I was a rap mogul and I don't have to force

01:22:22.120 anybody into it like trust me yeah and if you can't criminalize my weird sex parties as a

01:22:27.280 big star I think that'll be the defense I think it'll be convicted but you know I wouldn't

01:22:32.860 bet money on it Maureen because that kind of defense you know Harvey Weinstein's doing the

01:22:37.560 same thing right now in another courtroom and he might get away with it too Harvey might get away

01:22:43.300 with it but um my other my other at the other aspect of the defense strategy that I love is hey

01:22:49.280 like he loves to buy baby oil in bulk like you know everybody loves a bargain everybody loves

01:22:54.140 yeah right like who doesn't live to buy like 12 bounty select a size you know why not knock that

01:23:01.180 out listen I my big takeaway on that was like I feel like Doug and I might be phoning it in

01:23:06.220 like do I do I are you not having enough sex parties Megan and like covered with baby oil

01:23:12.640 everybody should we just be you've been to my house for a party Maureen I like I feel like we

01:23:17.000 fell down on the job well I was anticipating something a little spicier I will tell you but you know

01:23:22.940 I made do with Doug's delicious cocktails right here's your cocktail and your baby oil see you

01:23:29.220 in 20 minutes I'm easy I'm easy you know I can hang I'm a good hang I think um yeah and so I guess

01:23:36.700 the question then is like so for my my last question vis-a-vis Diddy is the celebrity names thus far that

01:23:43.580 has shocked me is Mike Myers oh yeah Mike what is Mike Myers doing running with Diddy and his crew

01:23:51.180 like this nerdy white comic comedian like what's what what is that I know I guess I mean Ashton

01:23:57.660 Kutcher too which is not really a shock but like I I'm not shocked I don't know like as you know

01:24:04.340 people are really dazzled by huge wealth and and not even just and and rock stars have it in a

01:24:13.960 particular way like they're almost bigger than our actors like there's something about them that's

01:24:20.740 like it's like you could say Tom Cruise is coming to the restaurant people would swoon for sure but

01:24:25.060 like if you say like Rihanna is coming to the restaurant yeah you're gonna have to shut down

01:24:30.840 the restaurant you're gonna have to get layers of cops it's just they're bigger they're just in a

01:24:35.640 different stratosphere for whatever reason the mystery around them you know you feel like you know

01:24:41.120 the actors because you hear them saying lines and you see them up close and the performers are

01:24:45.900 different they've just got this incredible talent and they have this whole team around them that builds

01:24:49.620 image and I just think that people are very susceptible to that kind of a person deigning to speak to them

01:24:57.940 to want to be with them to entertain them and that's why mothers handed over their children like

01:25:05.340 usher and justin bieber you know and it's the same thing that led maybe mike myers to go into these

01:25:11.900 ditty parties and allow himself to be in the presence of what may have been open crimes and

01:25:19.220 like a roll of the eyes like I guess this is just how they live and I've been given this chance to peer

01:25:23.740 inside yes you know it's human nature to want to see like what am I being shown how bad is it

01:25:30.940 and I'll tell you one other story on this um there was a woman who told me her Harvey Weinstein story

01:25:36.940 I'm going to keep this ambiguous so I don't identify her inadvertently but he didn't touch

01:25:41.440 her he was just really gross and um did some outrageous things around her and I asked her like

01:25:47.340 well why he didn't have you like under his control so why didn't you just like run or turn and leave

01:25:53.940 and she said I was curious to see how far he was going to take it like it was Harvey Weinstein

01:25:59.560 interesting and it was shocking you know I'm like oh my god look at what he's doing

01:26:04.700 is he going to see this through the end like what how far is he going to go with this

01:26:08.440 and I think that element is at play with otherwise normal people going to these ditty parties too like

01:26:15.660 what is this I've been given this glimpse and I can't stop looking at it and next thing you know

01:26:24.660 you're a witness at a criminal trial being asked next thing you know you've got a subpoena and you

01:26:29.200 gotta like lay out big bucks for a criminal defense attorney and potentially another identity in another

01:26:33.960 state it's all fun and games until that point exactly it's all fun and games well thank you

01:26:39.980 Megan for coming on the nerve and for dishing with us I that Met Gala story like you could

01:26:46.940 dine on on that dine out on that forever the the bathroom thing um and I just you know I love you

01:26:53.080 and um thank you for all of your support and all of your help as we get our baby show off the ground

01:26:58.000 it's my pleasure I have never believed in someone more Maureen I know this show is already a success

01:27:04.900 and it's gonna be even bigger and we're watching your numbers climb we're all like oh my god look

01:27:09.900 at this woman it's crazy but it's such a fun show to listen to it's like my guilty pleasure I try to

01:27:16.860 store them up for the weekends when I'm like just on my own and I can really enjoy it and most of my

01:27:22.320 podcasts I play on 2.0 just because I listen to so many sure I I listen to yours on 1.0 Maureen

01:27:28.140 that's new territory that's oh my god I'm it's all happening Megan it's all happening I will um

01:27:34.600 see you next time perhaps in outer space perhaps on terra firma I was gonna say one could even

01:27:40.140 make the case you're inspirational you know one could I think I I would but I would say you know

01:27:46.760 it was your brainchild so you are the inspiration and I am I am the gale to your Oprah I'm really proud

01:27:52.820 with me you should be you should be all right okay I'll see you later great to see you see you soon

01:28:00.440 good to see you

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 18, 2025

Megyn Kelly's Appearances on Spot On with Link Lauren, Next Up with Mark Halperin, and The Nerve with Maureen Callahan

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