＂Morning Joe＂ Grifters Meet with Trump, and Outrageous Attacks on Tulsi and RFK, with Glenn Greenwald and David Harsanyi ｜ Ep. 947
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Summary
Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski have done a complete 180 in their response to Donald Trump's massive victory in the presidential election. They veered from their initial defense of Trump to embrace him, and even endorse him. Glenn and Meghan discuss why it's time to go back to what they were saying before the election.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday, November 18th.
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President-elect Donald Trump getting a massively positive reception at the UFC fight in New York City.
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Including getting handed the championship belt from their top superstar, John Jones.
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Jones and many NFL stars this weekend doing the Trump dance to celebrate.
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It was like, Trump, MAGA, being a Republican is cool now.
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I mean, it's the greatest brand comeback ever, ever.
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Think about how the Democrats have been portraying Donald Trump.
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And now you have these NFL football players openly doing the Trump dance all over the Sunday television.
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It appealed to and persuaded absolutely no one.
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And that is where we are beginning today with the absolutely ridiculous pair on the MSNBC morning show,
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How long have they been telling us that he's an existential threat, that he's a Hitler-esque figure, that he's a fascist, that women will die, will die if he gets elected?
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They've done a 180 as their ratings circle the bowl.
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And we've got the soundbites to show you exactly what we're talking about.
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Here, we'll start with, let's just start with, we'll do it in reverse order.
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SOT2, what they were saying ahead of the election.
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When is the time to start saying, well, does this look like Germany in 1932?
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His obsession with Hitler that has now come out.
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I could go back and talk about Nazi Germany and I do it, I do it without any concerns whatsoever.
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Who they are running against, a dark, dismal, fascist, and increasingly obviously fascist person.
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He's getting through the moment as an aging bullshit artist.
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There's always a tinge of racism in everything he says.
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If you can't believe it and this is your choice, you're lying to yourself and you're going to ruin this country.
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Hateful, racist, bigoted, tired, aging, branding, I wouldn't say genius, branding, obsessed narcissist.
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He will imprison, he will execute whoever he's allowed to imprison, execute.
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He did a graphic scene like he was having oral sex.
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Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago to meet personally with President-elect Trump.
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It was the first time we have seen him in seven years.
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What we did agree on was to restart communications.
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In this meeting, President Trump was cheerful, he was upbeat, he seemed interested in finding common ground with Democrats on some of the most divisive issues.
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And for those asking why we would go speak to the president-elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn't we?
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Joe and I realized it's time to do something different.
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And that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump, but also talking with him.
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I will tell you, a lot of Democratic leaders we've talked to this past week, since the election, have told Mika and me, it's time for a new approach.
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And personally, and personal attacks will not work.
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What also does not work is threatening political opponents with arrest, harassment, and even jail.
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The question is whether it will be constructive.
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As for us, we also let him know that we will continue to speak truth to power and push back hard when called for, as we have with all presidents.
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We're not here to defend or normalize Donald Trump.
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I searched for a way to respond appropriately, and I called on my 10 years as a litigator in addition to my now 20 as a journalist.
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And I think I found the perfect phrase, go fuck yourselves, you dishonest jokes of faux journalists.
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He's Hitler, or now we're going to speak truth to power and find a way of speaking to and working with Donald Trump?
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Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski are the most humiliated and pathetic people in all of corporate media.
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And I realize there's a lot of serious contenders for that crown.
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So if other people have someone they want to slot number one, I wouldn't necessarily say it's unreasonable.
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But the thing about them is, unlike other people in the media who have been completely unhinged about Trump being Hitler, Trump being in bed with Putin, the steel dot, all of that, those people actually believe it.
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Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski don't believe in anything other than their own career and their own ratings.
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Remember, Joe Scarborough was elected in the mid-1990s as part of that Newt Gingrich counterrevolution that was supposed to be this far-right contract with America.
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He continues doing that until MSNBC demanded full-on anti-Trump hysteria.
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But in the 2015 and 2016 election, you were the one to point this out, actually, very well.
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Nobody did more to promote Donald Trump in the Republican primary than those two.
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They would allow him to call into their show and did it constantly.
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Because it was the only thing that got ratings.
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Then, once he got elected, calling him Hitler, calling him all of this, that became the way you get ratings and then doing that through the campaign.
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But now that Hitler has returned to power, the first thing they do is tuck their tails and fly to Mar-a-Lago and not even interview him, meet with him privately and personally, and then justify it with this journalistic veneer.
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And the reason for it, as you know, is that MSNBC's ratings haven't just declined precipitously since Kamala lost.
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There's nobody watching that network anymore for so many reasons.
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And they obviously have calculated that the one thing that can save their jobs again is reestablishing a relationship with the fascist dictator, Donald Trump, in order to get him back on their show, knowing that's the only thing that people will want to watch.
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I have so much more respect for the insane people on that network who at least believe what they're saying.
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I never thought I'd utter these words, but I agree with Keith Olbermann.
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Keith Olbermann's reaction is my reaction, at least in part.
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Mr. and Mrs. Vichy Quisling, suggesting that their Nazi sympathizers, say can ever be trusted again.
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Not that those words ever should have been trusted.
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These two, yes, worked day and night to try to get Trump the nomination back in 1516.
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They embarrassed themselves and sacrificed any pretense of journalistic ethics in doing it.
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I'll just give you a little feel for it in Sotsiks.
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And he's going to offer you the vice presidential nomination.
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I'll do anything that will get, will stop us from eight more years, like the past eight years we've had.
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Do you don't want me to do the ones with deportation?
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They say you can tell a lot about a person by their children.
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Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump joined their father here on set.
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Your three children that, I mean, everybody talks about how they're hard workers.
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No, I suspect maybe he's going to be an autumn affair as well as a summer flame.
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And then what happened was Joe Scarborough found out he was not going to be the vice presidential running mate.
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He had been rejected for that position and they turned-
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They turned on Trump because access to power is everything to that small little man.
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I was recently asked to be part of a debate and I was considering doing this debate.
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And then they told me that Scarborough had been subbed in for the other person who I was going to be across from.
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And as soon as I heard his name, my answer was no.
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In no world would I ever appear with that cretin.
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He is as low as you can go in our field, in our media field.
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He will do anything, say anything to make himself feel important.
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So he was mad he wasn't going to be the vice presidential nominee.
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They spent four years trying to go after Trump as though they had never boosted him to begin with.
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Then Joe Biden comes in, they treat him like he's God, like he truly is another FDR.
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And they celebrated him accordingly every morning while demonizing Trump.
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Of course, the January 6th stuff, they made it into another 9-11.
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And they lied to us about Joe Biden and his mental health for years.
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Joe Scarborough was the worst one on the Biden lies because he had access to him.
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He felt like he had the ear of someone in power.
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And Joe Scarborough had no choice but to come out on the air the next day and acknowledge what we all saw,
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which is, this man is totally incompetent at the time I called him Sybil, which people of our age will know that reference.
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It was this woman with multiple personality disorder played by Sally Field in the movies.
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Here's a little bit from that chapter of the Joe Scarborough saga.
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In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been.
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He spent much of the night with his mouth agape and his eyes darting back and forth.
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He couldn't fact check anything Donald Trump said.
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He missed one layup after another, after another.
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Tragically did not rise to the occasion last night.
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Such an historic decision should not be made in haste.
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It's really incumbent on people that are around Joe Biden to step up at this point and help the president
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and help the man they love and do the right thing.
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This is not going to end well if it continues to drag out.
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Oh, it is tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle.
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But at least Sybil had like an actual mental disorder.
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I mean, they might as well, but it's not multiple personality disorder.
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But I have to say this was true of the broader press, you know, and the Democratic Party.
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I mean, the idea that Donald Trump was Hitler was not some throwaway line that happened
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Remember, they promoted this idea from John Kelly that Trump had admired Hitler, that
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Kamala Harris, the last week of the campaign, so bravely used the F-word fascist to describe
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There were covers of liberal magazines where Trump was on the cover with a little Hitler
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mustache and them saying why we compare Trump to Hitler.
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And then the minute Donald Trump wins, everything changes.
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Joe Biden welcomes Trump to the White House, shakes his hands so warmly.
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I still believe it's like 50-50 that Joe Biden voted for Donald Trump because of outrage of
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But in any event, not only did he basically hug him and warmly welcome him, he said, whatever
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you need, Mr. President-elect, to smooth the transition, your transition back to power,
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Adolf Hitler's transition to power, we're here to give you.
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Some of them did, like the crazier ones did, but this whole thing was so fabricated.
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And to watch Joe Scarborough, you're exactly right in the motivations that you're attributing
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But the bigger part is this, you know, there were so many news reports that Morning Joe
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was Joe Biden's favorite program because he woke up every day and he was heralded, as
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you said, as this like historically important figure, the greatest president since FDR or whomever.
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I mean, it's kind of funny watching Joe Scarborough venerate FDR, given the platform on which
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he ran for Congress and served in Congress, not just a Republican, but like Newt Gingrich,
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like war on the government, contract with America, Republican, running against the Republican
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And they are now, I mean, I think they're days away from doing another Trump call in because
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Trump will allow anyone to humiliate themselves before him and then he'll give out little crumbs
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And it doesn't work on people with dignity, but it works on most of the people in corporate
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I think they're going to I think they're days away from having Trump call back into that
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Literally, no one wants to see this fence mended.
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The few people who are left watching Morning Joe do not want to see that.
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And the Trump fans have zero desire to see that he doesn't need them.
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They've spent years knifing him all over the back nonstop.
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What good comes of Trump having a renewed relationship with these absolute disgusting
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traitors who can't stand him, who did their level best to stop him by throwing the most
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Um, and then they go out there, Glenn, and act like they are Henry Kissinger, like they've
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been asked to go to a summit to negotiate world peace, international diplomacy.
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It's all it all comes down to them where they say we didn't see eye to eye on a lot of issues
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What we agreed on was to restart communications.
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Who gives two shits about you two restarting communications with Donald Trump?
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Megan, Mika Brzezinski actually compared this pilgrimage that they just did to Mar-a-Lago
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to what her father did, who was an actual diplomat, Stephen Brzezinski, in the late 70s and through
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the 80s and traveling around the world, meeting with foreign adversaries, trying to facilitate
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But I think it's really coming from this sense of desperation.
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Like, imagine you're these people, these people who work inside these networks or on these
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op-ed pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post.
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Because everybody you talk to, everybody who listens to you, all thinks the same.
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And so you really feel like you're part of this powerful movement where you're claiming
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Like, you're really at the front lines of the resistance.
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And then the American people go to vote and they vote for, overwhelmingly, the exact person
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that you've been claiming and telling them is the greatest threat to America and American
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And not only do people go and elect him, but as you just showed in that clip, he's a racist,
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And you have this huge migration, historic migration of non-white voters, Latino voters,
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black voters, all non-white voters away from the Democratic Party to Trump.
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Wow, we are just speaking in this irrelevant bubble.
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And of course, part of it is, how do we get back our ratings so our network doesn't collapse
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and our careers don't collapse and our lucrative contracts don't end?
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But a lot of it is a psychological internalization that, as you said, nobody gives a shit at all
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The only people who listen to them are people who already are convinced by them.
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And it's a vanishing few numbers of people who believe that and they know that.
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And so they're desperate to say, how do we worm our way, weasel our way back into power?
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And like I said, I think Trump enjoys when people humiliate themselves before him as kind
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of a way to acknowledge his power and he lets them do it.
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And as long as they keep doing it, I do think he'll throw them some crumbs.
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But the idea that they're going to be these influential figures ever after they've betrayed
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every cause they profess to believe in, betrayed every faction of which they ever said they were
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Then Mika has the nerve to say, okay, for those asking why we would go to speak with
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the president-elect, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn't we?
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It's because you two just spent the last eight years literally telling us he's a Nazi.
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And your rhetoric has helped cause a reaction to his win that looks very much like this.
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No matter how loud, how kind, respectful, how cute, men will still fucking hate you.
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Women are talking about bringing that 4B movement right here to the United States.
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Refuse to date men, get married, have SEX with them, or children.
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Me and my girlies are participating in the 4B movement.
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But being all things that the patriarchy wants us to be, clearly they don't give a shit about us.
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Government cares that they're not having kids because children are the future labor force.
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I'm going to start barking and getting fucking crazy.
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There's a couple of women before me who are crazy.
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It is the best thing I've ever done for my mental health.
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The women who are doing the 4B movement help other women who are doing their 4B movement.
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My, if you don't mind, I may not be responding to you.
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All of these leftist women, Glenn, are joining up with this thing called the 4B movement,
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where they're not going to be having any boyfriends, any husbands, any sex whatsoever.
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Any offspring, again, C.1, because they're so enraged that Hitler, patriarchal, woman-hating
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But Mika Brzezinski was on The View and her own show crying, crying, saying women will
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Well, also, the expectation was that it was going to be women who were going to rise up
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and defeat Donald Trump, led by Kamala Harris and Liz Cheney and Nancy Pelosi.
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It was going to be this woman's election where women were the ones who united against this
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patriarchal misogynist who was trying to kill them and make sure he didn't come to power and
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And it ended up that not only was the gender gap way smaller than anybody predicted, a majority
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of white women voted for Donald Trump, close to a majority of all women voted for Donald
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So even the idea that this is a movement that came from South Korea, where we're going to
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protest the patriarchy by refusing to get married or let men have sex with us or procreate,
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You know, it really reminds me, all these people who are saying this, of that kind of psychological
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dynamic with which we're all familiar, which is I would never want to join a club that wouldn't
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None of these people, no one's looked, maybe, you know, there are men who want to have sex
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with them, but it's not like they're the kind of person that people are seeing as their ideal
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And so they can shave their heads, they can do whatever they want.
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But the idea that they are somehow speaking for women or all women, all you have to do
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is look at the tens of millions of women who voted for Donald Trump.
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And Latino women, black women were the one group that kind of stayed loyal to the Democratic
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Party, but still a non-trivial number of them voted for Trump as well.
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Of every single ethnic group, certainly of the working class and the working poor, women,
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large numbers, tens of millions voted for Donald Trump.
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And the idea that they think they can speak for women or are avenging women by denying
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It reminded me of a couple of years ago, Stephen Crowder came on this show and he was talking
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about how he and his wife waited to get married and his, they're now divorced, but his wife
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And, uh, he's like, and I got to tell you, Megan, he's like, you know, my wife is beautiful.
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And, you know, we like, it was not easy to wait.
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And he's like, sometimes we look around at these very unattractive couples and they're
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And we're like, did you, it's like one of those situations, no more sex.
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Well, uh, I'm not really feeling like your sacrifice is that great.
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Um, in any event, that's how lunatic the, the leftist fringe of the democratic party is
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The leftist base of the democratic party has gotten thanks to the messaging of these two.
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I mean, and others like them, she was just out there.
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Cause I don't, I don't want to devote the whole show to these grifters, but listen to
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Mika right before the election on the women's issue.
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We need you, we need you, you, you, you, you, and all of you to vote.
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So now Glenn, after those two get out there and act, you know, like they are Brzezinski
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senior or Kissinger Trump, I don't think really much liked the tone of their summation of
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My, we thought he had, but now my team's telling me this may be fake.
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He will reply, you know, that he does because, because who do they think they are?
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I realized Trump is trying to be magnanimous to, he's happy to watch them embarrass themselves.
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But I say again, there is no one who's rooting for this reconciliation.
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I could do it the whole show, but yeah, let's move on.
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I have a lot of other fun things that I know you're going to love.
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Um, they are trying to nuke some of Trump's top, uh, cabinet picks and you're the perfect
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So let's start with Tulsi because that's right up your alley.
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This is what we are hearing more and more from this left wing press, which hates her.
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And it certainly echoes the Hillary Clinton, uh, line at which she busted out in David
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Um, here's, I mean, a while ago, but here's HRC setting the tone.
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And I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who's
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currently in the democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate.
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They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.
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I will guarantee you they'll have a vigorous third party challenge in the key states that
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That was October, 2019, and they're resurfacing this.
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This is all over, uh, the, the top Democrats talking points on Tulsi, where they're openly
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I'll give you some more examples, but your initial reaction to this once again, coming up
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There's probably the thing that over the last eight years I've had the most contempt for
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when it comes to the democratic party and their followers as a reaction to Trump.
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In fact, my breach, my, my irreparable breach with the left weighing of the democratic party
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came as a result of my immediate contempt for this whole Trump, Russia narrative.
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Uh, I think the last time I was invited on MSNBC was the end of 2016.
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These are, these are anonymous leaks coming from the CIA and the FBI handed to the Washington
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We've seen throughout history how often those kinds of narratives that are coming from these
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agencies to interfere in our politics given to these two papers turn out to be completely
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That's how, just as an example, the Iraq war intelligence was fabricated and disseminated
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to the American people coming from these agencies leaked to the New York Times and the Washington
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Post that then mindlessly put it on the front page.
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I said, there's no evidence that Trump and colluded with Vladimir Putin or the Russians
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There's just no evidence for it, but there's a hysteria around it.
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And of course I said that on ground zero for this hysteria, but what also really bothered
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me was the fact that it, you know, add somebody who was steeped in a civil libertarian background.
00:31:37.880
If I had to describe my politics, I would describe it that way first and foremost.
00:31:41.040
And the, one of the civil libertarian nightmares of the 20th century was the McCarthy era where
00:31:46.780
he may have been correct that there were communist infiltrators in the government, but he was
00:31:51.360
constantly accusing people of being that and destroying their lives and reputations with
00:31:56.380
And he just, he accused a lot of people for whom it was not true that they were in league
00:32:02.020
with the Kremlin or were agents for the Russians.
00:32:04.540
And it reminded me exactly of that sort of climate when the Hillary Clinton campaign first
00:32:10.580
launched this with this ad that had this like very menacing baritone, like what is Donald
00:32:18.700
And I was like, this is McCarthyism, like just the script, the rotted script from the bowels
00:32:24.820
But also I thought it was very dangerous because the Russians have the largest nuclear stockpile
00:32:30.780
in the world and they're all based on these archaic Cold War systems.
00:32:33.820
We all, we both have many, many intercontinental nuclear tip ballistic missiles aimed at one
00:32:39.120
another city to create this environment where no one can ever talk to the Russians, understand
00:32:45.380
their point of view, or get accused of being treasonous or a Russian agent is so dangerous
00:32:53.300
And then to take Tulsi Gabbard of all people who I have some foreign policy disagreements
00:33:00.480
She's somebody who has devoted her life to fighting for her country.
00:33:05.420
And a big reason why she came to dislike these intelligence services was because she went to
00:33:10.200
Iraq and fought there when Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and George Bush and Dick Cheney were
00:33:14.740
sending her there and came to realize that she was sent there on false pretenses.
00:33:20.400
She's in the army reserves as a lieutenant colonel to this day.
00:33:23.680
Imagine being her and hearing all these people who constantly cheered for wars like Hillary
00:33:28.820
Clinton, but never went and fought in them, questioning her patriotism and her loyalties
00:33:33.660
by fabricating this claim that she's a Russian asset.
00:33:36.800
And if you ask, if you listen to any of these interviews where they call her that, the one
00:33:40.780
thing that is missing always, because they never get pushed back, it's just assumed that she
00:33:46.040
So if you say it, nobody asks you for evidence or reason is any basis whatsoever for accusing
00:33:52.620
It's just an accusation that is deemed acceptable and true, but no evidence is required.
00:33:58.480
They they're mad, I think, because she said initially, if we had just listened to Putin
00:34:04.160
and his objections about Ukraine and NATO, the Ukraine war could have been avoided.
00:34:14.020
But based on that, that you'll see that recirculated as evidence.
00:34:23.840
Gabbard's sympathetic views toward Russia cause alarm as Trump's pick to lead intelligence
00:34:30.660
I should have reminded folks he's chosen her to be the DNI, the director of national intelligence,
00:34:35.120
which is a position created after 9-11 to help coordinate intelligence amongst the intel
00:34:41.440
They write Gabbard's past comments supportive of Russia, as well as secret meetings with
00:34:48.700
Syria's president, a close ally of Russia and Iran, are attracting fresh scrutiny from
00:34:54.160
Democrats and national security analysts who fear that as Trump's DNI, she could give Russia
00:34:59.540
a major win, undercut Ukraine, weaken national security and endanger intelligence ties with
00:35:05.540
And of course, you're like, who who's saying this about her?
00:35:15.060
And for good measure, the girl of American liberalism.
00:35:19.780
Well, I mean, it's like I said, in these circles, it's assumed.
00:35:22.840
And I think what you said here is so important.
00:35:24.940
There are two reasons why people decided this was true of her.
00:35:27.780
One is that right at the start of the Ukraine war, there were very few people who were saying
00:35:34.280
And I had a lot of people on my show like John Neersheimer and others who were saying the
00:35:38.540
And all of us got put even on formal lists issued by the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian
00:35:42.380
intelligence of being Russian propagandists, even though it turned out to be completely
00:35:45.900
true, which is that there is no possibility that a country of the size of Ukraine could ever
00:35:51.160
win a ground war against Russia, that the Russians will militarize their entire country.
00:35:58.280
And anyone who said that was instantly accused of being a Russian propagandist.
00:36:02.700
And as it turns out, not even anyone in Ukraine anymore, even Zelensky, believes that Ukraine
00:36:09.020
And now it's just a question of how to negotiate land away, because Ukraine has been utterly
00:36:14.100
destroyed, all of which was totally avoidable because Ukraine and Russia came very close to
00:36:21.400
But Boris Johnson and American officials went there and said, we don't want this peace deal.
00:36:26.740
Victoria Nuland, Boris Johnson, people like that.
00:36:31.220
Again, hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians died for no reason.
00:36:35.540
You have 45, 50-year-old Ukrainian men on the front lines being forcibly sent there against
00:36:42.740
And just because Tulsi Gabbard, based on her experience in the military, in Congress, said
00:36:47.140
we should try and resolve this war peacefully rather than let it go on, and because she went
00:36:52.900
and met with Assad at a time when the United States, under President Obama, was unleashing
00:36:58.100
this dirty war, this billion-dollar-a-year CIA war to change the government of Syria to
00:37:07.860
Those were our allies who were also trying to achieve that goal.
00:37:11.160
And she was like, why are we destroying Syria just simply to change its leaders?
00:37:18.160
And so she went there like people have forever.
00:37:20.640
Pelosi met with Assad in 2007 when the Bush administration's formal policy was to isolate
00:37:26.140
Syria and Assad because of their interference and what the United States was trying to do
00:37:31.340
There's, as Mika Brzezinski said, there's a long history of going and meeting with adversaries
00:37:35.520
in order to keep the channels of communication open.
00:37:38.000
Based solely on those two issues, where she dissented from the foreign policy consensus, they're
00:37:43.280
basically accusing her of being a traitor to her country, even though she has spent her
00:37:47.360
whole life fighting for her country and defending it as she believes is the best way to do it.
00:37:52.520
It's repulsive and disgusting how they get away with this.
00:37:59.900
And they say the same thing about him, that somehow he's Putin's stooge.
00:38:06.480
I mean, because they said long before he went to Moscow and actually interviewed Putin.
00:38:11.580
Because, you know, my my relationship with Tucker goes back a long way.
00:38:18.700
He went to a student boys school that he still tells fun stories.
00:38:23.820
When was it when he was at MSNBC, when he was at CNN, when he was at Fox?
00:38:28.500
Because you go back and look at his commentary then.
00:38:31.600
So it must have been sometime in the Fox years.
00:38:33.380
I don't remember Putin sniffing around Fox News when I was there.
00:38:36.340
I think I would remember it because I actually did go to Moscow a couple of times and interviewed
00:38:43.760
It's just so absurd, sick of this stupid card coming out time and time again.
00:38:48.980
And my team today reminded me, Glenn, citing Newsbusters, which did a good report on this,
00:38:54.920
how often they they bust this out, not just this go around, but last one.
00:38:58.380
This is on Trump's first cabinet in 16 CNN and Jeff Sessions, Trump attorney general pick
00:39:08.960
OK, here's Tillerson, who is secretary of state, a Texas oil man with no government experience
00:39:18.000
And then they went on to rip on half the other cabinet like Scott Pruitt at APA, like putting
00:39:25.120
Jonathan Chate, I'm Ben Carson to lead HUD, a world class scammer.
00:39:28.920
OK, one of the most respected pediatric neurosurgeons in America, in the world, but world
00:39:33.940
So they do this every time and they shame people out of saying to their senator who's going to
00:39:42.060
I like him like I like her like I'm good with it.
00:39:46.200
And they gin him up into calling, being like Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian stooge.
00:39:51.620
Or, as Elizabeth Warren put it, in Putin's pocket.
00:39:59.160
You really want her to have all of the secrets of the United States and our defense intelligence
00:40:04.920
agencies when she has so clearly been in Putin's pocket?
00:40:11.980
You know, Megan, it's it's actually defamatory.
00:40:21.100
I mean, Elizabeth Warren, I promise you, there was one time when somebody pushed back a little
00:40:28.260
So and she repeated that Tulsi was an Assad toady.
00:40:32.280
And Joe Rogan said, well, what do you mean by that?
00:40:37.560
I'm not sure now anybody who is pressed on this.
00:40:43.740
Even Jeff Sessions, when he was nominated for attorney general, they raised these alarms
00:40:49.180
about him that he had met with Russians, that he had in passing talked to Russian officials
00:40:59.340
This is the tactic of the Democratic Party to accuse people of being Russian agents.
00:41:04.540
That was the primary narrative of his first presidency.
00:41:10.500
And, you know, from there and the reason it's so deep, even during the Cold War, you know,
00:41:16.380
when the Soviet Union was considered, as Ronald Reagan called them, the evil enemy, when all
00:41:20.800
of our foreign policy was based on thwarting the Soviet Union, there was phones all throughout
00:41:25.540
Washington that linked right up to Moscow, including one in the Oval Office that Reagan
00:41:31.160
He negotiated arms deals with them in the middle of the Cold War.
00:41:38.060
And now we've created this insane, dangerous environment where if you even speak to a Russian
00:41:44.380
official about trying to resolve some of the hotspots or even things that you have in common,
00:41:49.760
you know, Obama talked a lot about the common interests that we have with Russia.
00:41:53.720
And they're very opposed to and concerned about Islamic extremism.
00:41:58.340
The United States worked with Russia in facilitating the Iran deal.
00:42:03.620
They also worked with Russia in picking targets in Syria to bomb.
00:42:07.240
We have a lot that we could have in common, too, all for partisan reasons.
00:42:10.780
To blame Hillary Clinton's loss on something, we've created this idea that Russia is our existential
00:42:17.500
And anybody who raises questions about it has their loyalties impugned.
00:42:21.540
And it's really a very toxic and unhealthy climate that we've created.
00:42:30.180
I'm sick of watching this be done to really smart, really well-credentialed people who are
00:42:37.020
Not everybody's willing to serve in government.
00:42:41.320
You don't get the fancy office nine times out of 10.
00:42:47.740
And Washington, D.C. is highly unpleasant in many ways.
00:42:53.160
You know, a lot of these people are like, I've got a great life.
00:42:59.480
That leads me to Pete Hegseth, who in a week or so, he's been named as our potential next
00:43:06.480
defense secretary, has now been identified by the left as an alleged rapist and white supremacist.
00:43:13.080
Like, OK, they got all the bazookas out for these guys.
00:43:21.380
But bazookas trained on all like Russian intelligent asset is dirty enough.
00:43:28.580
But now with somebody like Pete, who served our country honorably and was a wounded combat
00:43:33.100
vet with two purple hearts, they've got to shift it.
00:43:36.660
And he went to their institutions, Princeton and Harvard.
00:43:39.840
They've got to shift it from that to rapist and white supremacist because somehow he must
00:43:49.800
The white supremacist stuff is because of a tattoo he has on his chest that, if I'm not
00:43:56.380
mistaken, he outed this story when he spoke to Sean Ryan.
00:43:59.380
Like he was lamenting to Sean Ryan a couple of weeks ago that he got tagged as someone
00:44:05.900
who might be a white supremacist because he's got this tattoo on his chest and therefore wasn't
00:44:10.340
allowed to appear at the Joe Biden inauguration, which he thought was absolutely absurd.
00:44:20.440
And and it leads to the NAACP president going on MSNBC primetime with Chris Hayes last Thursday
00:44:31.440
I'm going to add the secretary of defense nominee Peter Heggs, the Fox News commentator as well,
00:44:42.500
This is someone who, you know, is known to be a white supremacist, known to be an extremist,
00:44:50.740
whose platform, whose book is basically about his opposition to the advancement of black
00:44:57.820
And the military is actually a very important area for black advancement.
00:45:01.860
I would just say that Heggseth would say that he would deny strenuously he's a white
00:45:10.900
By the way, he received two bronze stars for valor, not Purple Hearts.
00:45:18.120
All due respect to those who have Purple Heart.
00:45:28.900
Well, just I have to say, it's so funny how when she said all he is is a cable host, Chris
00:45:36.040
Hayes immediately interjected and said just a weekend host, meaning like, oh, if you were
00:45:40.240
really, like me, like a daily, that would be serious.
00:45:44.660
Weekend hosts are just losers, which I don't know how people who are weekend hosts on MSNBC
00:45:51.380
They are pretty bad in Chris Hayes' defense on MSNBC.
00:45:59.120
But the weekend, the primetime hosts don't exactly have a huge audience either, especially
00:46:04.720
There are serious disagreements that I have had with things that Pete Hegseth has said
00:46:11.240
and done in the past, including his advocacy for what are clear war criminals in Iraq, people
00:46:15.540
who just like for no reason shot people or killed people and their army found them guilty
00:46:22.340
So there's a lot of things that he has done and said in the past that I disagree with.
00:46:25.760
Democrats cannot engage on those kinds of merits.
00:46:29.280
There are things you can question about Tulsi in our foreign policy.
00:46:31.280
That's not how they can that that's they have to just do this insane smear campaign where
00:46:38.120
they go to the worst possible things they can think of.
00:46:41.180
This tattoo that he has is a well-known symbol of Christianity, a certain sect of Christianity
00:46:46.040
or viewpoint of Christianity that has been documented for centuries.
00:46:49.540
And they decided to turn it into something that it wasn't, which was a tattoo of white supremacy,
00:46:54.080
which is a different sign and a different tattoo.
00:46:56.160
Do you think Pete Hegseth would just have his entire chest tattooed with a white supremacist
00:47:03.620
symbol and then walk around shirtless to show it off?
00:47:08.640
It's just it's just a Christian tattoo, which maybe they some people see as the same thing,
00:47:15.620
But here's the thing, Megan, with all of these nominees and the ones we're going to talk about,
00:47:19.660
but also the ones we have, Tulsi and and and and Pete Hegseth, which is they cannot comprehend
00:47:27.620
And one of the reasons Donald Trump won the election was because he ran on a platform of
00:47:32.740
arguing that our institutions in Washington have become ossified and corrupted, politicized,
00:47:38.920
and they need to be radically changed, uprooted and subverted.
00:47:43.180
And the people he's choosing to lead these agencies are people who have radical critiques
00:47:49.140
If you're a huge fan of these institutions, if you love how the military industrial complex
00:47:53.320
functions, if you love how the intelligence agencies are interfering in our politics, of
00:47:57.760
course, you're not going to want anybody in there who's anathema to the way things are
00:48:02.860
But that isn't the person who if Kamala Harris had been elected, she would have appointed people
00:48:07.920
they love, people who seem like they're, quote unquote, serious appointees who come out of
00:48:12.520
the ethos of these institutions who want to protect it and just reform it on the margins.
00:48:18.460
He ran on a platform that Americans approve overwhelmingly for the second time of radically
00:48:26.040
And so to say that anybody that he chooses who's just like a little bit unexpected or off the
00:48:32.140
beaten path for the kinds of people that usually run these agencies and they're going to
00:48:35.460
for they're going to destroy them by calling them racist or Russian assets and rapists
00:48:49.340
And that's really what's going on here is they're fine with Marco Rubio.
00:48:55.100
They're fine with John Ratcliffe at the CIA, people who they feel like are the kinds of people
00:49:00.160
It's the ones who are kind of out of left field, who are there to oppose the agencies
00:49:05.900
they're going to lead, who are causing all the upset in Washington.
00:49:16.340
So this Pete Hegseth is part of I heard our friends over on Rulker Politics describe this
00:49:26.380
It's better than the Avengers, which is people I understand the Avengers thing, but I kind
00:49:31.840
of grow a little uncomfortable with it because I don't like making superheroes out of politicians
00:49:35.500
or any group like it's, you know, I like you, Glenn, and more of like, eh, they're normal
00:49:43.020
Let's not raise the expectations too high for ourselves or for the country.
00:49:46.600
But I like the disruptors and happens to be the name of my friend Nancy Armstrong's movie
00:50:01.660
He responded to a tweet over the weekend, Hegseth did, by Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee,
00:50:07.300
saying, Lee's wrote, I recently spoke with a father of a U.S. Air Force Academy, a cadet.
00:50:13.120
He told me that the Air Force Academy's official forms refer to him, the cadet's father, as the
00:50:17.220
cadet's non-birthing parent and to his wife, the mother, as the cadet's non-birthing parent.
00:50:22.880
And Hegseth retweeted it, writing, not for long.
00:50:31.720
We'll talk about the other controversies right after this.
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My team is telling me there's breaking news, so let's take a look.
00:51:43.700
My name is Kamala Harris, and I wanted to wish my good,
00:51:46.780
friend, Megyn Kelly, the happiest of birthdays.
00:51:51.860
Now, look, Megyn, I know you don't like me very much, right?
00:51:59.380
But, you know, I was thinking, now that, you know, your boy is in office,
00:52:03.020
maybe, you know, we can unburden what has been.
00:52:20.640
Let's forget about this whole thing and get hammered instead.
00:52:28.320
And, listen, if you can, if your people can, you know, call my people and get me a job,
00:52:44.280
Madam Vice President, I forgive you for all of your inanity.
00:53:02.040
We have to let Kamala go, but I don't think we should say goodbye to Estee.
00:53:10.560
We're going to miss her when she's gone, Glenn.
00:53:12.060
You know, like, when she actually leaves, exit stage left, we may miss Kamala Harris a little bit.
00:53:19.840
I would like to find some reason to agree with that.
00:53:25.460
But I've actually known a couple people in my life who have that personality trait
00:53:29.560
where they tell what they think is a joke and nobody thinks it's funny,
00:53:33.480
but they laugh so long at their own joke and insist that you laugh
00:53:38.980
because you know they're not going to move on until you laugh with them.
00:53:41.740
I've never seen a person in public like Kamala Harris
00:53:44.300
who laughs so long and so boisterously at her own jokes.
00:53:50.240
Maybe it's, like, my own personal trauma from the people I knew who did that.
00:54:07.940
I mean, at least when Obama did it, it was, like, a little bit effective
00:54:10.640
when Hillary Clinton had that fake Southern accent.
00:54:15.000
Kamala just whips them out with no authenticity to them.
00:54:26.100
By the way, if you haven't heard our talking points from Friday,
00:54:29.800
you should definitely download that episode on why she lost.
00:54:35.800
Because the Washington Post drops this exclusive about an alleged sexual assault,
00:54:45.900
And they're very excited about this piece against Pete Hegseth.
00:55:01.440
And she was married, and I believe is still married,
00:55:05.740
at the time she had this sexual encounter with Pete,
00:55:11.440
And he says exactly the opposite, that that's not true.
00:55:17.760
So what's happened is a woman, a friend of the woman,
00:55:21.800
went to the Trump transition team, according to WAPO,
00:55:25.700
and presented them with a memo detailing these alleged claims by her friend against Pete.
00:55:31.780
And then Pete's lawyer, and then the memo got leaked to the Washington Post.
00:55:37.680
And now Pete's lawyer has gone on the record with the Washington Post to offer his side of the story.
00:55:43.340
They say, Glenn, that in 2017, October 7th, 2017, he was asked to go out to Monterey, California,
00:55:51.120
and to speak with a group of conservative women, and that he did so,
00:55:56.620
and after the fact was having drinks in the bar.
00:55:58.840
They claim he had a couple of women there toward the end of their night of drinking,
00:56:04.180
and they allegedly texted his handler, who was part of the conservative women's group,
00:56:09.720
that he was getting sort of pushy in his request that they go back to his room with him.
00:56:17.520
At the time, the Post reports he was between marriages.
00:56:21.900
He's on his third marriage, and he was, I think, between number one and number two.
00:56:26.860
Anyway, the point is he wasn't cheating at this point.
00:56:29.260
But they say that this young handler came to the bar to sort of collect him as though he were her charge.
00:56:40.560
This was seven years ago, so he was a grown man still.
00:56:47.640
But apparently believed to need an escort back to his room.
00:56:52.680
Now, this woman you should know who works for the California Federation of Republican Women
00:56:56.320
also had her husband and children in the hotel in a different room with whom she was staying.
00:57:03.560
So they allege that she then took Pete Hegseth back to his room.
00:57:07.760
There is videotape, according to Hegseth's lawyer,
00:57:10.240
showing them arm in arm on the way to his room with the woman smiling and Hegseth drunk.
00:57:16.240
Apparently, the reports are that he was visibly drunk.
00:57:21.440
They left, and then she was allegedly seen on the videotape delivering him to his room.
00:57:28.280
She definitely went into the room with him, and the two agree that a sexual encounter took place.
00:57:38.660
This accuser did not remember anything until she was in Hegseth's hotel room
00:57:48.040
Her memo says her memory of six to nine hours, quote, was very hazy,
00:57:52.940
and that her husband was searching for her, I'll bet, and was relieved when she finally showed up.
00:57:58.580
The following day, the woman returned home and, quote, had a memory of hazy,
00:58:02.680
a hazy memory of being raped the night before and had a panic attack.
00:58:09.140
She then went to the emergency room, they allege, in this memo of hers,
00:58:14.780
where she received a rape kit examination that was positive for semen.
00:58:18.160
She gave county authorities a statement about what happened.
00:58:25.740
And they say that she, there was no evidence that contact was non-consensual.
00:58:35.060
According to Pete's lawyer, the medical examination of the woman produced no evidence
00:58:42.440
And a police investigation found no evidence to support charging Hegseth.
00:58:46.520
The lawyer says the woman was the aggressor, not Hegseth.
00:58:51.440
I will point out on the subject of whether there are injuries, Gabe Sherman.
00:58:56.620
I know, but Gabe Sherman, for what it's worth, is reporting that he has seen the police report
00:59:03.820
But that did not make it into the Washington Post,
00:59:06.680
which has a stricter screening process than Gabe Sherman.
00:59:12.800
That then the cops investigated that they chose not to pursue it.
00:59:17.800
And also this, according to Hegseth's lawyer, once the two were in his hotel room,
00:59:28.320
And after the encounter, she, quote, expressed concern because she had not gone back to her room
00:59:34.860
And that Hegseth told the cops she planned to tell her husband
00:59:38.680
she had fallen asleep on the couch in another guest's room, according to the statement.
00:59:44.860
Sometime after the incident, when the cops said they weren't going to do anything about it,
00:59:48.940
they didn't think that there were grounds for charges,
00:59:50.460
the woman and her husband hired a lawyer to, quote,
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And three years later, in February of 2020, they hired a lawyer.
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They entered into negotiations with Hegseth's lawyer,
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and that he was innocent collateral damage in a lie
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that the complainant was holding onto to keep her marriage intact.
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But knowing it was the height of the Me Too movement,
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he paid her a settlement, the amount of which is not included.
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It actually applies to the back age situation as well,
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and conclude that there's no evidence even to charge the person,
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which, of course, is the judgment when you decide
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whether or not you're going to charge the person or indict,
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I think the person is entitled to a presumption of innocence
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And it is true that sometimes when there's sexual assault
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why the woman might not want to yell it at the moment.
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especially when you're dealing with a public figure like he is,
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there's also motivations that someone might have
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in order to justify to themselves what happened,
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in order to justify their friends and family what happened.
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this is always my issue with the Brett Kavanaugh allegations
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and Christine Bozzi-Ford and others come forward
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The person is entitled to the benefit of the doubt.
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So we'll never know for certain what happened here
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if the woman continues to persist in these allegations.
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But for me, the presumption of innocence is very important.
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And when the police go and investigate allegations,
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like happened to Matt Gaetz with the Justice Department
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Number one, if she went the next day for a rape kit,
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She seems to be suggesting she was given some sort of a drug.
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She was hazy for six to nine hours in his hotel room.
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Because I guarantee you, if she took one of those
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we would not, we would, this would have been charged.
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The police would not have walked away from this.
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So I'm sorry, this sounds, this smells, this one smells.
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Like, why would you be discussing that with your rapist?
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which you do, and insists that you then sue the guy,
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because you've got to follow through on your story.
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if Pete was just wandering the hall with rohypnol
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with whom he was allegedly flirting at the bar?
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He waited until his handler swooped in out of nowhere,
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Because even though she's got a witness who says,
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I know her to be of high standards and a woman of,
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Which is, of course, why it's being raised now.
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And you can say, well, Doug Emhoff wasn't a candidate,
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We know a lot about what JFK did in retrospect.
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I don't think it affects his reputation that much.
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We don't know what went on in those relationships.
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So that's all we have on the alleged contusion.
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I mean, he is speaking of the disruptor, right?
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Yes, he has very negative things to say about the FDA.
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This is why he had a groundswell of support behind him,
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which is what made Trump value his endorsement,
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which is now what's making Trump give him this position.
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But instead, we're getting soundbites like this
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from former HHS secretary under Obama, Kathleen Sebelius.
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who seeks to lead the major health agency in this country
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That, in and of itself, from the bully pulpit of HHS,
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Could we work more collaboratively on preventive care?
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if someone's going to lead the intelligence agencies,
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they should believe in the intelligence agencies
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The Trump agenda is that these intelligence agencies
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So, of course, you want to put someone in there
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but the kind of liberal that people would like.
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because he was questioning a lot of the orthodoxies
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that turned out to be not just questionable, but false.
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the media, the kind of Western liberal establishment
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everything that Fauci was saying about the health industry.
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And RFK Jr. was one of the very few people out there
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is that I've talked to RFK before, I've interviewed him.
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His primary belief is that the entire healthcare apparatus,
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the agencies that regulate big pharma, big food,
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that they're regulatorily captured by these industries
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They approve medicines before they're properly tested
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but make its negative impact on our health much worse.
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the idea that these industries are captured by big industry.
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To watch Democrats turn around and attack him for that,
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It's why they appeal to the ruling class voters.
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the Mark Rubios, the Elise Stefanik, et cetera.
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Our health is clearly in crisis as a citizenry.