New Details About Epstein's REAL Associations, and Meghan Deleted From Kardashian Pics, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1193
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Summary
In the never-ending quest to finally know everything there is to know about Jeffrey Epstein, the House Oversight Committee subpoenaed Epstein s estate for his emails and related documents, and lo and behold, they got them. Now, every media outlet known to man is reporting on every word Epstein penned related to Donald Trump in a mad search to tie the president to the disgraced financier s sexual crimes.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Convicted felon, pervert, abuser of women, and yes, at one point, a long time ago, friend of Donald Trump.
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Epstein also met with people like Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, the Dalai Lama, reportedly.
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Many, many others who are not guilty of crimes just because they spent some time with the criminal Epstein.
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Epstein's back in the news this week, six years after he died in prison, awaiting trial on charges of sex trafficking minors.
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In the never-ending quest to finally know everything there is to know about Jeffrey Epstein and his dastardly deeds, the House Oversight Committee subpoenaed Epstein's estate for his emails and related documents, and lo and behold, they got them.
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Now, every media outlet known to man is reporting on every word Epstein penned related to Donald Trump in a mad search to tie the president to the disgraced financier's sexual crimes.
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But this is a pathetic and blatant piece of proof that these people don't care at all about sex trafficking victims.
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The media cares about one thing and one thing only, getting Donald Trump.
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And this effort to turn the Epstein story into the Trump story completely undermines the actual search for truth when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, which is why many of us resent these Johnny-come-latelys from finally getting interested in the story.
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We've been covering the Epstein case for years here at the MK Show, long before it was a Trump witch hunt.
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And many of the names surfacing in these emails that are hitting the public eye are familiar to us.
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Given that Epstein is back in the news, we thought now would be the perfect time to bring you an update on a story we first told you about nearly two years ago.
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You may remember way back in January 2024, I said something on this show that went viral.
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I said I believed we would be hearing from Jeffrey Epstein directly sometime soon.
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I can't tell you how I know, but I can tell you for a fact we're going to hear a lot more about Jeffrey Epstein in the coming year.
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And you may be even hearing from him directly more on that, as I'm allowed to tell you.
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I later clarified, because some people misunderstood, that I was not implying Epstein was still alive.
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Just that I knew there were tapes of the man, and I had reason to believe they would be made public soon.
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And the reason I knew that was, I've heard some of them.
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You see, author Michael Wolff has tapes of Jeffrey Epstein.
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And it was clear to me then and now, it was only a matter of time before they were published.
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Eleven months after my prediction that we would hear tapes of Jeffrey Epstein, we did.
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Michael Wolff himself played and allowed to be played a small portion of one of his tapes.
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Thing is, this was October 31st, 2024, six days before the presidential election.
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News was at a fever pitch, and Wolff's planned October surprise landed with a complete thud.
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That week, Wolff released one short excerpt of the tapes and also gave left-wing media outlet the Daily Beast access to nearly two hours of the tapes.
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He also confirmed publicly at that time that he has up to 100 hours of tape of Jeffrey Epstein.
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A clip here from Wolff's podcast, Fire and Fury, October 31st, 2024.
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I think we have a snippet from one of the conversations that I recorded with Epstein.
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He will tell ten people Bannon's a scumbag, and Priest is not doing a good job, and Kelly has a big mouth.
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Jamie Dimon says that you're a problem, and I shouldn't keep you.
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And I spoke to Carl Icahn, and Carl thinks I need a new spokesperson.
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So Kelly, even though I hired Kellyanne's husband, Kellyanne is just too much of a wild one.
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And then he tells Bannon, I really want to keep you, but Kellyanne hates you.
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I probably have a hundred hours of Epstein talking about the inner workings of the Trump White House and about his longstanding, deep relationship with Donald Trump.
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Not a huge surprise, as Wolf is clearly not a fan of Trump's.
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He wrote a scathing biography about Donald Trump in 2018 called Fire and Fury.
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While Trump cooperated with the book, for some reason people keep cooperating with Michael Wolf.
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Trump attacked it as soon as it hit, criticizing its author and alleging that it was full of lies.
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The podcast Wolf released on October 31st, 2024, seemed a clear effort to hurt Donald Trump before the vote.
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The Trump campaign at the time called the move Election Interference.
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Wolf said on that show that he, Wolf, had become an outlet for Epstein, quote,
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to express his incredulity about someone whose sins he knew so well, and then this person actually being elected president.
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Wolf described Epstein as, quote, utterly preoccupied with Trump.
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Epstein was, Wolf said, quote, I think, frankly, afraid of him.
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As mentioned, Wolf shared more of his secret tapes at this same time with media site The Daily Beast.
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The Beast reporting on November 2nd, 2024, three days before the election,
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that it had listened to this tape and provided many, many details from it in its reporting, including two excerpts.
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Its piece began, quote, Epstein painted a complicated portrait of Trump.
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He called him charming and always fun, capable of extraordinary salesmanship.
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But he alleged Trump was a serial cheat in his marriages and loved to, quote, F the wives of his best friends.
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Epstein, The Daily Beast claimed, could be heard on these tapes alleging that while Trump had friends,
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he was at heart, quote, a friendless man, incapable of kindness asked by Michael Wolf how Epstein knew all of this.
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Epstein responds, quote, I was Donald's closest friend for 10 years.
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Epstein says on the tape, per The Beast, that Trump had an elaborate scheme to procure sex with his friend's wives and goes into detail about how Mr.
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Trump allegedly did this, supposedly by getting the husband to agree on the phone to cheat on his wife with a young woman that Trump would procure while the wife was secretly listening to that conversation.
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Then Epstein reportedly claims that Trump would say to the wife, see, he's a bad guy.
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This is a story Wolf had already told in his 2018 book, Fire and Fury, and which The Beast effectively verified was sourced to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Here is an excerpt published from the tapes by The Daily Beast of Epstein.
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He had a production, because he had the same male pattern movement that we all have.
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Donald's office, as you know, he made that, he used to be on the phone with his fake PR person.
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I was sitting there, listening to the guys from the post talk, and Donald would say, you know,
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he's a great guy, you know, I loved working with him.
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And I'd sit there, and go, this is just amazing.
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And he'd say, Michael, come up, let's go to the office.
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And he'd say, tell me, what's the idea of that?
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He'd say, well, you know, you like having sex with you, what?
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How, seriously, Michael, how often can they get sex with you?
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We don't want to, we can, you and I can go upstairs, or tomorrow, come over.
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There's this girl's coming in from Los Angeles, part of the, oh, Hawaiian Tropic Council.
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I promise you, Michael, you know, it's just me and you, you're going to have a great time.
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Be up here for three o'clock, we can go upstairs.
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And the whole time, the attorney's been on the phone, listening.
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Donald said, you know, I know you, look, I think you're really hot.
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And I know you think you're a guy, Michael, like the end of the world, the best guy in
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the world, you know, you know, just listen to the next part of the dance.
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And you can go with the new lovers and set you up.
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If you go to our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly, you'll see it transcribed
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So go 10 minutes into our YouTube show and it posts later.
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But it was in essence, exactly what I said in the setup.
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It was him using Michael Wolf, who he was talking to as the example of how Trump might
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You, Michael, your wife, Victoria, she's secretly listening.
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Oh, you must have had sex with people other than your wife.
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Tell me what that was about while the wife was allegedly listening.
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And then the end pivot to like, hey, wife, here I am.
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That's basically what Epstein was alleging Trump used to do.
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On the tape, Epstein also can be heard attacking Trump's intelligence and his character.
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Here is the second excerpt published by the Beast last November.
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With respect to real estate deals, he's brilliant.
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And then I started to say about executive function.
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Executive function says, and it's strange because construction, by definition, is just
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First you have the foundation, you have the steel going up, what stage?
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But in terms of his anything but real estate, he can't figure out if I fire abandon what happens
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So, cause and effect, he has no, that has no relationship.
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Now, what's his thing about, about, that, that functionally he can't read, or he doesn't read,
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He doesn't, well, he certainly, he certainly can't read a balance sheet.
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But his reading comprehension is a very complicated.
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Now, what's, other than he has a, a, a, a, a, he has a sense of humor, he can be funny.
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Both Bill and Donald have the ability to go over to a fat, ugly woman.
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Say, you are the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
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And I'm telling you that I know four or five people who have recently seen him.
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In Jeffrey's book, he, he does nasty things to his best friends, best friends' wives.
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Keep in mind, this is a man, Epstein, who is known as a liar, prolific liar.
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He was reportedly thrown out of Mar-a-Lago by Donald Trump after pursuing young women there,
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and whose friendship with Trump was ended by Trump.
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Wolf claimed on his Halloween 2024 podcast that Epstein actually blamed Trump for Epstein's
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It started when the two men both attempted to purchase a Florida mansion.
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And he began to threaten lawsuits, and he began to threaten press exposure.
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I mean, he was really, really, really pissed when those guys lose a dream house.
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And that was the point at which Epstein's own legal problems, the problems with the girls,
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And certainly in Epstein's telling, this all happened because it was Trump who first dropped
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And Trump would have known about the girls because he was in and out of Epstein's house.
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When Epstein and I were talking about this, and Trump was now the president of the United
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So, the version of Epstein talking to Michael Wolff appears to be a jilted friend who blames
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Don't forget, they started back in 2008 when he was accused of soliciting sex from a minor.
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And who has watched his hated ex-friend become president of the United States.
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The Trump campaign, when all these allegations were published, the tapes and the Michael Wolff
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podcast right before he was elected president again, the Trump campaign in 24 denied all
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of these allegations, attacking Michael Wolff as, quote, a disgraced writer who routinely
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fabricates lies in order to sell fiction books because he clearly has no morals or ethics.
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When Fire and Fury, the book, came out six years before this October surprise, the White
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House called it trashy tabloid fiction, saying it was filled with false and misleading accounts.
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Where are the remaining 98 hours of Epstein tapes?
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In that tape, he says, I have 100 of hours of him talking about Trump.
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So maybe he has even more of him just talking, period.
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One hour and 44 minutes were provided to the Daily Beast.
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A few minutes, if that was played on Wolff's podcast.
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Well, we at the Megyn Kelly Show can confirm that more tapes do indeed exist.
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We know because my team and I have heard some of them.
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The tapes have not been made public because we have been told they are part of an unknown,
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We do not have a copy of them, nor do we know the plans for them.
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But we do recall some of what we heard on them.
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We heard a conversation from April 2019, which is five months after Julie K. Brown's explosive
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reporting on Epstein that really led to the end for him and young women in the Miami Herald.
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That led to renewed national scrutiny on Jeffrey Epstein.
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It talked basically just it was all about how Epstein had negotiated some three dozen women
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coming forward, young women, 13 to 15, 13 to 16, coming forward against Jeffrey Epstein at the time.
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And the local PD, she wrote, was doing its job trying to process all these claims.
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And then eventually it became so huge they brought in the feds.
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This is under the George W. Bush administration.
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And so this thing was growing back then against Epstein.
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And he got him the sweetheart deal of the century where they made all these women go away
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They told they didn't tell the women that they were copying a plea with this guy.
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They actually told the women that the case was ongoing, which is a violation of their rights
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and led in part to some of the payouts these women got.
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They never had their day in court because of what the feds did with Epstein at that time.
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They struck a sweetheart plea deal with him where he got to plead guilty to solicitation
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of prostitution from a minor, which is not a thing.
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He was blaming on Trump, that Trump somehow dropped a dime on him at the time after this
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failed real estate deal or this fight they had over either real estate or, you know,
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And he thought Trump was at the root of his legal problems.
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But now in 2018, Julie Kay Brown of the Miami Herald stumbles on the whole thing.
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He served, what, like a year and a half on house arrest, 12 hours a day.
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He was out of jail six out of the seven days of the week.
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And so she blew the lid off of this, that this guy, Alex Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney
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at the time covering this area of Florida, struck this deal with Alan Dershowitz and Epstein's
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That's really what was so controversial about it, among other things, really.
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And so she breaks this eight year or 10 years after he struck the deal, renewing massive amounts
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of scrutiny on Epstein, Alex Acosta, who by 2018 had become Trump's labor secretary.
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He wound up having to leave the post after this reporting.
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It was July of 2019 that Epstein got charged as a serial prolific sex trafficker.
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Brown article was explosive and did lead to all this renewed national scrutiny on Epstein.
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So this is where he's talking on the tape that we heard.
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It's it's April of 2019, just a few months after Julie K.
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Brown's reporting, but three months before Epstein would actually be arrested on the new
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gravely serious charges of sex trafficking minors on the tape that we heard for power
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They are brainstorming public relations strategies.
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The goal to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
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He is an active participant providing Epstein with his own PR advice.
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This tracks with an extraordinary email exchange released yesterday between Wolff and Epstein from
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three years earlier, from a few years prior to this 2019 email that we heard.
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OK, it's December 15th, 2015, and carries over to December 16th, 2015.
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In this exchange, Wolff sounds when he's writing to Epstein more like a crisis PR rep than he
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does an independent journalist, which he purports to be, by the way.
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On December 15th, 2015, Wolff tells Epstein, quote, I hear CNN is planning to ask Trump tonight
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about his relationship with you, either on air or in Scrum afterward.
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Epstein responds that same day, quote, if we were able to craft an answer for him, what
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Wolff responds the next day on the 16th, quote, I think you should let him hang himself.
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If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you a valuable
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You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you.
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Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt.
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CNN did not ask Trump about Epstein at all that night.
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And in another stunning email, Wolff, in October of 2016, writes to Epstein, quote, there's
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an opportunity to come forward this week and talk about Trump, this is right before the
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election, in such a way that could garner you great sympathy and help finish him.
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Wolff posted a video on social media yesterday responding to these disclosures from these
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emails, but he did not address any of the ethical issues about his relationship with Epstein
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Instead, as you're now seeing in a pattern of events, Michael Wolff went after Donald Trump.
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I have been trying to talk about this story for a very long time now, and this is, well,
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perhaps we're getting close to the smoking gun.
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Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump had the closest of relationships for more than a decade.
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It's curious that Epstein's relationship with so many people in public life has damaged them
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But the one person who he was closest to has not been held accountable.
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I have, well, I released, I released tapes of Epstein talking about this relationship before
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What was Donald Trump's relationship to Jeffrey Epstein?
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And anything I think that can bring us closer to an answer to that question is central to our
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When Michael Wolff released those excerpts that landed with a thud in October, on October
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31st and via the Daily Beast, November 2nd, the election was November 5th of 2024, he wanted
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Why would he hold back the most damning piece of the tapes?
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If he has more, if he's got Epstein on tape, making it clear, Trump trafficked girls, something
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Don't you think Michael Wolff would have released that days before the election?
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So while he says we're getting close to the smoking gun, it seems clear to me he doesn't
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He knows the rest, and I don't know whether he's ever going to show us on the rest of
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But I want to go back to what we heard in the room with Epstein, Wolff, Bannon, and one
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We can at this time exclusively reveal that the fourth party in that room, never before
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publicly identified, was former Obama White House counsel, Catherine Rumler.
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Ms. Rumler is all over the emails that just hit yesterday, which show a very friendly relationship
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She reportedly even showed up to Epstein's 2019 sex trafficking arraignment.
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In Wolff's 2021 book, all right, now try to keep it straight, because we're going to tell
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Jeffrey Epstein allegedly killed himself in August of 2019, one month after he'd been charged
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In 2018, he had written Fast or Fury and Fire, whatever it was, Fire and Fury.
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And then in 2021, after the meeting that we're discussing with you right now, he wrote another
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And in that book, he revealed parts of this conversation I'm telling you about right now.
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He does not reveal, for example, this attorney's identity.
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In the audio we heard, she's referred to as White House counsel and Kathy, so it's pretty
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Now that we see her all over the email correspondence, even more so.
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We reached out to Ms. Rumler on our reporting that she was in this meeting with Epstein, and
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The tenor of the conversation is friendly and upbeat.
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It sounds like friends having a good time, laughing and joking as they try to come up with ways
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to spin a known sex abuser back into the good graces of the public.
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He knows at this point about the Julie K. Brown reporting, and he knows additional legal
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That's the, that's what's interesting about the timing of this tape that we heard.
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All right, so it's, it's happening months before he would wind up dead.
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The discussion in the audio begins with a bizarre and flippant conversation about prostitution
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and whether the average prostitute is underage or not.
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Again, reminder, Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 to solicitation of an underage prostitute.
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Insert my refrain about how that's an impossibility.
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He didn't solicit a prostitute who was underage.
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Bannon then quickly tries to change the topic, expressing his opinion that the core accusations
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against Epstein, that he is a rapist and a pedophile who is trafficking underage girls
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Bannon says Epstein does not have a legal strategy problem, but that his PR problems are metastasizing.
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So Epstein could do an interview on a program like 60 Minutes, and both Bannon and Rumler
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express regret that Charlie Rose, who was brought down by a sexual harassment scandal of his own
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in 2017, was no longer available to do an interview on his show.
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Wolf then brings up Gayle King as a possible interviewer.
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However, Bannon notes R. Kelly's disastrous interview with her went south because, in
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Note to Gayle, it's not a great thing when they're talking about who could we get to do
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a softball interview, and you are the second one mentioned after only sex pest Charlie Rose.
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So telling, these windows into these backroom conversations.
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Wolf documented some of this conversation I'm telling you about, though notably,
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not all, in that book I mentioned called Too Famous, which hit in 2021, revealing that
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Rumler chimed in, he doesn't name her, that she did not want Epstein videotaped in preparation
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for any interview with the 60 Minutes or whomever, because it could be subject to a subpoena.
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Listen to this exchange on the audiobook of Too Famous that begins with the attorney we are
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now identifying as Rumler in her argument with Steve Bannon.
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He's got to sit there and watch the tape all the time.
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This is like preparing for a deposition, except this is preparing for the court of public opinion.
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He never had to prepare for a deposition because he just takes the fifth.
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Now you're setting him up to answer questions he can't answer, and certainly, if he answers them,
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She was only 16, but full of tattoos, so 16, but not like a good person who's 16.
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Really, continued Bannon, there has got to be a way to answer that in an acceptable way.
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I don't know what the answer is, but you have got to figure out the basic positioning,
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We're trying to show remorse or whatever we're trying to show.
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However we get there, we've got to get this to the point on Gale King so that the big reveal
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Okay, so that's the audio reader depicting an exchange between Bannon and Rumler.
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Notably excluded from Wolfe's book is Wolfe's own role in this exchange.
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He's openly advising Epstein again in this conversation on how to minimize his alleged crimes.
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Epstein does not appear to be taking it seriously at all, asking at one point,
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More from the audiobook of Too Famous, depicting here a conversation Wolfe says
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he had, with Steve Bannon, comparing the media training to that a professional athlete would get
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There's a process here of getting him on camera and having him study it,
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And do you think he can actually do this, even studying?
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Like, he's still here, said a shrugging Epstein.
00:33:33.000
Rumler ultimately relents and allows Epstein to sit for a practice interview
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so long as they don't talk about his legal issues.
00:33:43.340
Epstein bizarrely suggests that he should talk about women and science in the practice interview.
00:33:49.580
This is how he thinks he's going to rehabilitate himself.
00:33:52.460
An incredulous Rumler accuses Epstein of having said,
00:33:55.520
there's never been a great female scientist and that women become morons as soon as they get their first period.
00:34:01.900
And undeterred Epstein says women are the future of science
00:34:05.260
because they will focus on things that cannot be measured like love and intuition.
00:34:10.520
We can also reveal for the first time that before the practice interview,
00:34:14.840
the group also discusses possibly suing the Miami Herald over its award-winning reporting about Epstein.
00:34:22.640
But Rumler expresses concern that Epstein's reputation was already so soiled that he would not be able to recover many damages
00:34:31.020
and that he would still have to plead the Fifth Amendment in any depositions.
00:34:35.380
Rumler then leaves the group to take a call on behalf of another client.
00:34:40.440
And Epstein is heard on the tape telling Rumler,
00:34:48.100
An obvious reference to Jeffrey Epstein's name,
00:34:53.200
a reference to Biden's inappropriate public behavior toward young women.
00:34:58.760
Bannon plays the role of a 60 Minutes interviewer,
00:35:01.700
and Epstein tries to say he doesn't like to party.
00:35:06.740
Wolf's book Too Famous would later recount this conversation with Steve Bannon,
00:35:10.760
identified as S.B. Epstein J.E. in the audiobook.
00:35:20.820
S.B., how can you be a playboy and not be social?
00:35:33.480
J.E., where I meet people who I find interesting,
00:35:36.540
or interesting people seek me out and come to my home.
00:35:43.420
But if the question is do I like women, the answer is yes.
00:35:47.660
No wonder this interview never actually happened.
00:35:50.740
I mean, some bad things happened to Jeffrey Epstein after that plan,
00:35:54.500
but you can see the frustration of those who were apparently trying to help him
00:36:00.560
On the tape, we hear Epstein say that he has a photographic memory with numbers,
00:36:04.540
that he studied at the Lawrence Livermore National Lab in high school,
00:36:08.060
and that he received a perfect score on the math section of his SAT.
00:36:15.140
he says he got a job as a math teacher at the prestigious private Dalton School
00:36:19.140
in New York City by cold calling and then acing the interview.
00:36:22.440
In the practice interview with Bannon, Epstein says he taught 17 and 18-year-olds
00:36:28.300
and that he would pay extra attention to the girls.
00:36:31.960
The exchange here in the audiobook of Too Famous.
00:36:36.520
S.B., you would focus on the females versus the males.
00:36:41.980
J.E., yes, to the extent that I had something more to give them.
00:36:47.080
J.E., as I said, a friendlier view of the math world.
00:36:51.480
S.B., you understand how that might sound creepy.
00:36:59.000
and I don't think it seemed creepy to anyone then.
00:37:03.560
J.E. Epstein's comments about young black students
00:37:08.000
also weren't exactly media-friendly from the audiobook.
00:37:15.300
They just have to be playing basketball at the same time.
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one of the nice things about basketball is that they are moving around.
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Blacks learn really well when they are moving around.
00:37:26.400
And in American schools, you tell blacks to sit in their chairs.
00:37:29.820
The group then takes a break to give Epstein feedback,
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where Wolfe and Bannon compliment him on his charisma and scream presence,
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but make the observation that his commentary needs some work.
00:37:43.400
Seriously, says Bannon, according to Too Famous.
00:38:04.960
reminding Epstein that 60 Minutes is going to shoot two hours of tape
00:38:11.900
and saying Epstein was giving them opportunities
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reminding Epstein that the interview is, quote,
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are not buying the story around Epstein either.
00:39:00.520
Just this week, he reportedly met with Lauren Boebert,
00:39:03.260
one of the Republicans pushing a so-called discharge petition
00:39:10.920
which has now happened, happened late yesterday,
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she doesn't look fully human doug calls her and
01:51:53.560
not weirdly sexual at an inappropriate age like i
01:51:56.800
don't i just think these people need to stop with
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like the non-stop parties and the constant on-camera
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reality tv show stuff and maybe just parent maybe just be
01:52:07.200
there for them i was looking at images of northwest
01:52:10.040
funny on the way over here and um i was having the
01:52:12.860
same thought you know my goddaughter is 12 and she's
01:52:15.920
so sweet and she has this um real self-awareness of like
01:52:20.500
not wanting to grow up too fast you know which i think is
01:52:23.900
so smart so i don't really worry about her because i think
01:52:28.340
and i look at northwest and i so this is my theory
01:52:31.920
uh you know she's got multiple shades of blue extensions
01:52:37.140
and hair she is um for her age she seems not as slender as
01:52:43.880
the kardashians make themselves to be thank god they're not
01:52:46.740
putting her on the ozempic at this age no i couldn't agree
01:52:48.940
no i know but you you know no i couldn't she has what the body
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that they would have if they weren't on the shop and that
01:52:54.040
they would hate themselves for having yep right so this is
01:52:56.500
the message that a northwest is getting i look i'm not like
01:53:00.080
them i'm not up to par right i'm not their example of womanhood
01:53:03.900
which is highly sexualized like what are we doing out there if
01:53:07.040
prince harry's not ogling our breasts at 70 years old like why live as a woman
01:53:10.840
right and so i think her way of differentiating
01:53:13.740
herself and legitimizing herself as a member of this family
01:53:19.900
the one with the piercings the one with the markings the artsy one the one who
01:53:24.560
doesn't because of her whatever her artistic leanings may be doesn't have to
01:53:30.040
conform to a standard of womanhood that this family adheres to to a point that
01:53:36.600
feels cult-like remember when we thought kanye was the
01:53:39.540
weird one oh my god yeah i mean like suddenly he looks like the the best
01:53:45.240
parental influence and not kim kardashian i really don't know but i i hope i hope
01:53:50.780
it works out i really do i hate i i certainly don't want any ill will on
01:53:53.680
anybody's children i just think what are the odds for these poor kids being born
01:53:57.060
into that family um however our real scorn has to be saved i'm sorry to tell
01:54:04.080
you but it does for apple martin oh yes i don't even feel bad about it because
01:54:09.120
she appears to be a confirmed bully who got booted out of harvard westlake this
01:54:15.520
very fancy rich school in la allegedly for bullying
01:54:19.740
reportedly allegedly and this story has been very stubborn and has never been
01:54:23.420
denied by gwyneth paltrow or her father chris martin the story goes that apple and
01:54:29.460
it's very hard for a nepo kid to get kicked out of very schools you know you
01:54:33.720
got enough money you can make any problem go away
01:54:35.840
she allegedly bullied a female classmate to the point where this girl tried to
01:54:41.220
allegedly take her own life oh my god or she walked up very close to it and the
01:54:49.300
she she wound up graduating i think from crossroads in la which was where
01:54:53.560
gwyneth graduated so we know she she had for a time been at harvard westlake
01:54:57.760
she had she graduated from a different school that's interesting and she
01:55:00.900
couldn't get into any ivies either she's at vanderbilt uh moses her brother is
01:55:05.620
at brown ivy late becoming good nonetheless becoming a good little liberal
01:55:09.740
well listen from what i hear i have it on very good authority that moses is
01:55:13.520
actually a lovely kid very talented very kind and has no interest whatsoever in
01:55:19.140
becoming famous well brown will beat all those qualities right out of him you're
01:55:22.540
probably right that you're probably right honestly like if i really really
01:55:26.340
wanted my kids to become jew haters i would send them to brown that what about
01:55:30.640
claudia yeah it tied yeah both both but like that's where you'd go yes i know just
01:55:36.560
the school for you they will totally indoctrinate you into far left thinking
01:55:40.140
they will make you a wonderful little far left progressive who can't stand jews
01:55:44.720
who can't stand conservatives and ultimately can't stand their parents
01:55:48.780
either right you know i would just never do it never never never would i go to
01:55:52.080
brown allow my kids to go but i'd be like you're paying for it for yourself and
01:55:55.480
we're not visiting for four years um that's a lie i'd see them i'm addicted to
01:55:59.520
my children so apple martin she was in the news recently for this horrible singing
01:56:03.540
we talked about this a bit but i do want to play this top 41
01:56:13.080
okay we get the gist she's totally off key she's awful she's even worse than we were
01:56:32.740
when we did our space adventure and tried to recreate the i forgot what a wonderful world
01:56:37.000
yeah it must have trauma blocked it out but and i heard on the nerve you played the
01:56:42.060
the song as she released it like a week later auto-tuned totally on key on key with everything
01:56:49.320
oh yeah sounding like a real chanteuse and to me this is such evidence of a set of parents
01:56:55.260
that never just told you the truth for real you can't sing for real you're not good at it sorry
01:57:01.720
oh by the way your your father who's a global rock star he may know some vocal coaches want to put in
01:57:07.060
the hours yeah right we can make that happen for you no why would you why would you put in work
01:57:12.260
megan she clearly nobody would get up there and sing like that if they knew that's how they sounded
01:57:16.520
no of course not it is such such it's such a glittering example of terrible parenting
01:57:21.600
she's been told her whole life you're great yes you're special amazing at this you know what if
01:57:27.780
you want to do this for a living get right on up there you could do it it actually makes the same
01:57:32.400
thing with the modeling career oh god same thing with the modeling career it makes me wonder what
01:57:37.240
when it's the the you know the mother-daughter rivalry and what may be going on with gwyneth because if
01:57:43.380
you really really loved your kid your daughter why would you ever expose her to this kind of public
01:57:48.860
ridicule i know when it's been in the game since she was a teenager she grew up in this her mother
01:57:54.020
was an actress her father was a very successful producer she knows exactly what's going to happen
01:57:58.220
to her daughter in the social media age she's part of it because she's a snob gwyneth paltrow is a snob
01:58:05.060
you know this i heard you talk about it and we've done reporting on it too she was like scoffing at
01:58:10.000
brad pitt because he didn't know the cert the right caviar is to eat it was just ridiculous
01:58:14.180
um she's so proud of the fact that she went to spence in new york which is a great school our
01:58:20.240
daughter went to spence for the for elementary school before we moved out here it's a great
01:58:24.360
school it's a very woke school now um but look it's there's a contingent that goes there that's
01:58:30.480
absolutely wonderful and there's a contingent that goes there because they have like a family like
01:58:35.820
blight danner for the mom and they have a ton of money and they you know get accepted and i would
01:58:41.100
submit that's likely why gwyneth paltrow got there yep um in any event gwyneth i think is encouraging
01:58:48.460
this because i saw her at that ridiculous debutante ball like in paris right where they don't even live
01:58:55.620
yep with apple martin who was reported to be bullying people there too and that's just not something
01:59:03.520
you would do like if your child is humble it's because you've made sure of it as the parent yes
01:59:09.660
yes apple was caught on camera forcing another deb out of the frame and being like it's me i'm the star
01:59:18.020
i'm the star i'm the star i mean she's insufferable and she's um she's trying to launch herself as a
01:59:23.460
model on the back her mother is the one it's a it's a very i think this is a very effed up dynamic i
01:59:28.980
really do i think there is something dark going on between with gwyneth and apple and apple as a kind
01:59:35.200
of competition that must be squashed very early very early this girl is not a model no gwyneth is
01:59:43.100
like this okay gwyneth is like this this girl is a little zaftig you know it seems like it's her
01:59:47.400
natural body set point she wants to be like a little bit larger she has these eyes that are very
01:59:52.700
spaced very far apart and not like in a kate moss way in a way that like one eye's looking off over here
01:59:58.380
like always awkward you can't be a model like i'm sorry it's in the job description you know
02:00:03.600
michelle obama would say apple's oppressed i would say apple just doesn't have what's in the job
02:00:08.060
description but but why gwyneth would push her out there so early because she needs it right it's
02:00:14.580
the same she needs the validation same reason parents ruin their children's high school by being
02:00:18.880
like you've got to get into harvard study more put down that remote there'll be no super bowl watching
02:00:24.420
for you you know like get back to the books yeah they raise these kids who have no personalities
02:00:28.840
but are perfect sat scores like that's i i don't i totally disagree with it but it's because of their
02:00:35.040
egos they want the harvard bumper sticker they want the flag you know from brown or wherever
02:00:43.040
that they can fly on their front flagpole and i would submit it's the same thing with this like
02:00:47.960
gwyneth is too smart to not understand what those industries will do to a young woman
02:00:52.860
why you would take your own child and say yeah model i always joke with my with my daughter yardley who
02:00:58.860
has zero desire to model but like when people like oh she's so pretty and people just being nice well
02:01:02.760
whatever she you know she's a model and like or i could just get her hooked on heroin at home
02:01:07.180
like i just give it right to her right right you know like that's your pretty girl like yeah why would i
02:01:11.400
ever want my child to join that industry oh my god no my brother had the same exact reaction with my
02:01:16.900
niece from a very young age it was like there were people wanting her to model and he was like
02:01:20.300
never ever not happening and um for that very reason and it's that's such a good point it hadn't
02:01:26.580
occurred to me but gwyneth who went public with what she went through with harvey weinstein
02:01:31.880
okay you know and she was a nepo like her godfather steven spielberg you would think she would have been
02:01:36.880
protected from that so she knows that there's no amount of parental uh prominence that will protect
02:01:43.600
you from predators like that okay they're gonna get to you somehow you would think she would say
02:01:47.480
apple maybe why don't you go for something a little bit less study tech or english lit or something
02:01:55.600
that will help you use your brain and develop actual confidence right as opposed to trying to
02:02:02.920
backdraft between behind two parents who are very successful whose careers let's face it you will
02:02:08.700
never emulate right you will never match in those particular fields i mean the odds are overwhelming
02:02:12.520
that it won't happen right sometimes the sequel can be better than the original but i mean you can
02:02:16.920
count on one time one hand the number of times it's happened godfather i don't i can't like another
02:02:21.740
michael douglas yes okay i accept versus kirk i got that yeah yeah that's okay but it's very rare
02:02:29.920
very rare so why not encourage her to do something that is completely different right it's because
02:02:34.660
i think your ego needs it you get a jones off of seeing her like oh chip off the old block and it
02:02:41.520
gives you a chance to relive your youth you know shakespeare in love when she won the oscar it's
02:02:46.900
like she can come and be the elder stateswoman now at these events like gwyneth is here with her
02:02:52.140
offspring this is such a fascinating debate because i wonder if let's for thought experiment uh
02:02:57.980
apple was a prodigy apple had acting chops that surpassed her mother apple was more beautiful than
02:03:06.340
her mother is gwyneth as promoting or is gwyneth more like i can't have you eclipse me right ego
02:03:14.960
that like the the egos are at that level are so difficult to divine yes that's so true i don't know
02:03:21.440
the answer to that that's true because unfortunately a lot of people have mother-daughter tension because
02:03:25.200
the mother does see the daughter as competition and that can ruin a lot of mother-daughter relationships
02:03:29.520
but i don't know i'm trying to think like kaya gerber is she i don't think she's more beautiful
02:03:35.040
than cindy crawford was in her prime but she's just as i mean kaya gerber is like fall over stunning to
02:03:40.880
look at yeah but cindy crawford and her husband randy gerber seem like decent people to me like that
02:03:48.240
seems to be i don't know they you never hear about like he's all over the place cheating on her
02:03:53.860
she doesn't show up at the kardashian things you know kaya's a model but who wouldn't make kaya a
02:03:59.940
model like that's one that's like staring you in the face if you don't she's like seven feet tall
02:04:05.640
the body and the cindy face you disagree it's i don't know so i i'm of two minds about it because
02:04:11.260
it's like first of all she is like a little xerox version of cindy yeah right um and i feel like
02:04:16.880
that you would have to you'd have to approach that very delicately like you don't have to go into
02:04:21.560
that industry because i was that successful in that industry cindy had a spark that i find kaya
02:04:27.560
does not i feel like a lot of these younger models they are dead behind the eyes kendall jenner who
02:04:33.160
bought a new face is dead behind the eyes she did bailey bieber who bought a new face is dead behind
02:04:38.220
the eyes i haven't seen kaya gerber's original face but i would bet there's been some work done
02:04:42.760
most of those girls at that level really they've had some work done i don't know i feel like i've been
02:04:46.920
watching that one since she was little because of cindy and she looks she's always been just
02:04:50.560
stunning um but i don't know like i respect the couples who i don't hear anything about yeah you
02:04:55.600
know yeah yeah yeah i know that they did their tequila and all that like whatever that's that's
02:04:59.460
business but i appreciate the fact that cindy crawford is not in the trade rags all the time she's
02:05:04.260
not she seems to be like quiet mothering which i appreciate by the way speaking of this group of
02:05:09.460
people do we believe that kylie jenner was dumped by timothy chalamet chalamet or do we not i believe it
02:05:18.720
you know why why uh timmy's got a movie coming out in a few weeks called marty supreme co-starring
02:05:25.240
gwyneth paltrow is as much older lover right and timmy wants the oscar and it's not happening if
02:05:30.680
we're together with kylie jenner it's not happening she's got to go oh that's ruthless
02:05:34.960
megan i don't know how this works come on i know oh my gosh well yeah it was reported by the daily
02:05:42.720
mail that he dumped her and then she liked a post of his online so other mags were speculating
02:05:48.840
maybe they are still together that was her way of clapping back against the daily mail
02:05:54.080
it's very rare that the daily mail has it wrong it's rare that the mail has it wrong and also if
02:05:59.940
it weren't true why wouldn't he like why wouldn't they make sure to be photographed together immediately
02:06:04.240
yes or put something up on social media immediately just to like push back on those rumors
02:06:08.560
like who do you think here's what i think he's going to do i think he's going to take his mom to all
02:06:13.640
of these events all right that's the play that's the play we take mom so last but not least um
02:06:20.340
tomorrow we're on tape which is just fortunate because uh we've been airing our tour interviews
02:06:25.480
on our on our fridays and um i mentioned this to you a little in the commercial break we are doing
02:06:30.560
something here called fakes giving oh yeah we do it now this is our third year running and i highly
02:06:36.780
recommend this to everybody fakes giving is the fake thanksgiving where all of our relatives so most of
02:06:43.480
them not all of them many of our relatives are coming and we all celebrate thanksgiving together
02:06:49.140
a week or two weeks early before the actual holiday and the reason this started was after my sister died
02:06:56.080
her kids are all in their 20s or early 30s now and we wanted to be together as a family but they're
02:07:02.800
all young they're starting their careers or they just got married and so they have their own independent
02:07:07.140
obligations that they they need to see through like if not on thanksgiving although some of them do have
02:07:11.880
to work as their young holidays then right around it and or they want to go to their spouses you know
02:07:17.140
all that so i was like why don't we just move it back a week or two and then we can all be together
02:07:21.460
and then everybody on the actual holiday can do what they need to do and we love it it is such a
02:07:27.500
great gathering there's no pressure you can get a caterer because you and i don't cook so much more
02:07:33.360
easily two weeks before thanksgiving than you can on the actual thanksgiving trust me i know
02:07:39.180
and there's like it's a little warmer there's no travel pressure so true nothing no packed airports
02:07:47.480
no packed streets you know highways so it is a true joy and i it also gives you the added benefit
02:07:55.000
of you kind of get to celebrate thanksgiving twice yeah i don't cook so that's a plus for me right
02:07:59.980
people at home who actually cook are like that's not a joy what are you saying but i'll have the
02:08:04.180
caterers do this and then the actual thanksgiving will probably wind up going out to this place that
02:08:07.620
that does it but anyway it's a family tradition that we started a few years ago highly recommend
02:08:12.740
i love that i have i have friends uh who have like at least two thanksgivings and it's a similar
02:08:20.120
thing it's sort of like you do the one that's like the the more formal one yeah and then you do and it
02:08:28.300
seems like you're you're you're doing something similar well not formal so much but then the second
02:08:32.380
one is sort of like much looser yeah and it's not on the day it could be after the day yes it could be
02:08:37.580
before the day but everything about it just feels looser and more fun because there's also no you
02:08:44.280
know we're going to do an episode um before thanksgiving on the nerve about um all the anxiety
02:08:50.800
that comes leading up to thanksgiving and how to deal with like your own freak outs about like
02:08:56.120
difficult family dynamics or like that one relative who's always there who everybody hates or you know
02:09:00.720
there's always something but it the messaging we're always getting is like thanksgiving's just the
02:09:06.000
holiday there is right it's family and it's you know it's like it's i mean you come from an irish
02:09:11.140
family you probably understand the uh the stuff that can go on on a thanksgiving but i love it and
02:09:16.540
i'm always part of a of a second thanksgiving because i have my friends throw it and it's it's
02:09:20.840
always the best i i have to say i absolutely love it and then the holiday comes and i feel very little
02:09:25.340
stress right because it's like i've already i've already hosted the event and i one other thing i want
02:09:30.100
to say we don't have a huge dining room table in our house you know we're only a family five it seats
02:09:37.500
maybe 10 or i guess you could go 12 with a table expander anyway um i don't i don't entertain a lot
02:09:44.260
as you can hear but um i really have no idea how many people can sit at my dining room table
02:09:48.340
but anyway um for this we do have a large foyer for some reason in our house i don't know why the
02:09:56.460
foyer is so big but we remove like the front hall table and we take four of those like you know the
02:10:04.000
tables that you would set up if you were doing like a concession stand outside of a you know bake sale
02:10:08.000
that kind of thing we take four of those and we put them in a big square and we cover them and then
02:10:14.240
we get just like those little i don't know how to explain it but like a wooden post with like a bottom
02:10:19.060
that is sturdy that won't fall over like a round bottom that's kind of heavy and then the post comes up and
02:10:24.400
and you can kind of make it come up as much as you want anyway and then we string the white fairy lights
02:10:30.120
between the four hosts it is like the easiest way to make a large fun dining room table where everyone
02:10:40.640
can see each other and still converse that's so cute i i think i am as ever you might be more um you
02:10:48.040
know let's like let's bookmark this for uh with love megan holiday edition yes like let's string some
02:10:53.840
lights and like show everybody just how easy it is to be the consummate hostess exactly i'm actually
02:10:59.220
very proud of my fakesgiving plan and trust me if i can do it you can do it anyway i'll see you after
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