The Megyn Kelly Show - New Explosive Hunter Biden Revelations, and Whether Trump Should Have Been Charged, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:42.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.960 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.520 Audio of former President Donald Trump talking about

00:00:48.280 the Iran attack plan

00:00:50.820 that Mark Milley allegedly handed to him

00:00:53.080 is now public.

00:00:54.340 Remember they've been talking about this.

00:00:55.800 CNN has been conspicuously breaking the news

00:00:58.300 each time around this tape.

00:01:00.000 So obviously somebody's leaking to them.

00:01:02.340 And now we've actually got the tape.

00:01:05.500 CNN played it last night.

00:01:06.380 We'll play it for you in a moment.

00:01:08.380 Donald Trump's critics and others suggesting

00:01:10.660 this is it.

00:01:11.780 This really is the smoking gun.

00:01:13.080 They've got Trump dead to rights

00:01:14.340 on possessing a document

00:01:15.940 he did not have the right to possess.

00:01:18.700 We'll talk about it in just a minute.

00:01:21.520 Plus, new ridiculous attempts to defend

00:01:24.040 Hunter Biden and President Joe Biden

00:01:26.220 from people like Anna Navarro

00:01:28.340 on The View literally almost in tears

00:01:31.220 over what's being done to this poor family

00:01:35.200 by those mean, mean people

00:01:37.700 who want to know whether they're corrupt

00:01:39.500 and accepted bribes.

00:01:41.140 So much to get to today.

00:01:42.460 I'm super glad to be joined as always

00:01:44.460 by John Ashbrook, Michael Duncan,

00:01:47.440 Josh Holmes, and the man known to his minions

00:01:49.440 as comfortably smug.

00:01:51.580 Together they are ruthless.

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00:02:00.860 It looks like Meet the Press.

00:02:02.540 This is such an impressive set, you guys.

00:02:07.280 We're all grown up.

00:02:09.400 Yeah, well done.

00:02:10.640 I like this.

00:02:11.680 So you got Holmes over there at third base.

00:02:14.740 Then you got Smug right next to you.

00:02:17.120 You got, is that Duncan there

00:02:18.280 and Ashbrook on over on?

00:02:20.060 I'm trying to see actually

00:02:21.080 because it's like teeny tiny in my feedback

00:02:23.180 and then Duncan.

00:02:24.300 Anyway, great, great to see you guys

00:02:26.040 all grown up and looking very professional,

00:02:28.040 very prof, except for your sweatshirts

00:02:30.880 and your baseball caps and your sunglasses

00:02:34.280 other than those things.

00:02:38.400 Nailing it.

00:02:39.000 Okay, let's let's kick it off with Hunter Biden

00:02:41.700 because today I think the New York Post

00:02:43.660 has a very interesting piece.

00:02:45.480 It's it's by the Post editorial board.

00:02:47.680 And the headline is

00:02:48.800 freeze the Hunter Biden plea deal

00:02:51.040 until we know who lied.

00:02:53.760 This is a very good point.

00:02:55.420 You know, Hunter Biden copped a plea

00:02:57.120 to his many tax infringements

00:02:59.520 and breaking of the tax laws,

00:03:00.880 as well as the gun situation

00:03:04.060 where he applied for a gun

00:03:05.120 and lied about not having a drug problem.

00:03:07.120 Misdemeanor slap on the wrist probation deal.

00:03:10.900 Anybody else, I believe,

00:03:12.200 based on the lawyers I've looked at,

00:03:13.860 I've heard it both ways.

00:03:14.480 But the ones I trust have said,

00:03:16.000 actually, most of us would be in prison

00:03:17.760 if if they had charged what he actually did.

00:03:20.280 And that's what the whistleblowers

00:03:21.480 are saying about him, too,

00:03:22.380 from the IRS who have come forward

00:03:23.520 saying any civilian

00:03:24.460 would have been charged

00:03:25.520 with multiple felonies

00:03:26.600 for what this guy did.

00:03:27.340 Well, now this is an interesting twist

00:03:31.480 on the whole thing.

00:03:33.300 Now, one of the things

00:03:34.500 the whistleblowers are saying

00:03:35.900 is that they were told

00:03:40.300 by the U.S. attorney, David Weiss,

00:03:44.200 who was investigating Hunter Biden,

00:03:46.800 that these whistleblowers were told

00:03:48.700 and at least five others were told

00:03:51.220 that Weiss said

00:03:53.380 he did not have authority

00:03:54.600 to charge Hunter Biden

00:03:55.920 anywhere outside of Delaware

00:03:57.960 and that he was denied

00:04:00.340 special counsel status.

00:04:03.280 Now, that's very interesting

00:04:05.240 because all the stuff

00:04:07.320 we're most interested in,

00:04:09.100 the stuff outside of the tax laws,

00:04:10.940 the stuff outside of the gun violations,

00:04:14.640 the corruption charges,

00:04:16.120 those would have occurred

00:04:17.160 down in Washington, D.C.

00:04:18.340 So in order to pursue charges,

00:04:19.760 you would need the ability

00:04:20.780 to charge outside of Delaware.

00:04:21.960 And this guy allegedly

00:04:25.560 allegedly from the whistleblowers

00:04:27.280 told a whole staff full of people,

00:04:29.820 I haven't been given that authority.

00:04:31.640 I'm not allowed to charge

00:04:32.600 outside of Delaware.

00:04:33.960 So the reason this is so interesting

00:04:35.980 is because the attorney general

00:04:37.780 of the United States, Merrick Garland,

00:04:39.420 as recently as Friday

00:04:40.540 said the following, quoting here,

00:04:43.780 David Weiss was allowed to, quote,

00:04:45.920 continue his investigation

00:04:47.080 and make a decision to prosecute

00:04:48.780 any way in which he wanted

00:04:50.580 and in any district

00:04:52.780 in which he wanted.

00:04:56.080 So Garland saying

00:04:57.480 he was a true special counsel,

00:04:59.240 he could have charged any crime

00:05:00.600 anywhere he wanted to.

00:05:02.440 And according to the whistleblower

00:05:03.520 in a meeting with some six people,

00:05:05.960 David Weiss said,

00:05:06.760 that's not true.

00:05:07.800 I was specifically told

00:05:08.740 I could not charge

00:05:09.580 outside of Delaware.

00:05:10.720 And the suggestion is

00:05:12.400 that's why we're not seeing

00:05:13.300 anything against Hunter Biden

00:05:14.640 on the real substance

00:05:16.200 of the corruption allegations

00:05:17.900 against him,

00:05:18.640 which dovetails nicely

00:05:20.120 with what the whistleblower

00:05:21.160 said previously,

00:05:22.000 which is that he was getting

00:05:23.780 shut down at every turn

00:05:25.360 by the attorney general's office

00:05:27.400 on any attempt

00:05:28.820 to even look into

00:05:29.840 those allegations

00:05:30.620 or Joe Biden's connection

00:05:32.540 to them.

00:05:33.600 This is the New York Post

00:05:34.480 now adding to it,

00:05:35.320 saying there is not

00:05:36.600 a chance in hell

00:05:37.400 this judge,

00:05:38.180 because the judge has to

00:05:38.860 approve the plea deal

00:05:40.080 that David Weiss

00:05:41.480 struck with Hunter Biden.

00:05:42.680 There's not a chance

00:05:43.520 in hell this judge

00:05:44.180 should do that

00:05:44.760 until we can figure out

00:05:46.120 who the hell is lying

00:05:47.300 about this investigation.

00:05:48.900 What do you guys think of it?

00:05:50.600 No, I mean, look,

00:05:51.480 that's a massive discrepancy,

00:05:53.700 a huge inconsistency there

00:05:55.540 between the attorney general

00:05:56.620 and what was conveyed

00:05:57.860 by a U.S. attorney.

00:05:59.220 And remember, I mean,

00:06:00.340 the background of this

00:06:01.320 is actually pretty important,

00:06:02.580 is that the U.S. attorney

00:06:03.600 in charge of Delaware

00:06:04.600 was the one holdover

00:06:05.940 from the Trump administration.

00:06:07.800 They have all Biden

00:06:09.080 U.S. attorneys

00:06:10.180 across the country

00:06:11.020 except for Delaware.

00:06:12.340 And the thought process

00:06:13.700 on that was

00:06:14.660 at the very beginning,

00:06:15.640 they would try to get out

00:06:16.620 beyond any reasonable

00:06:18.920 sort of hometown favor

00:06:22.440 or anything that could

00:06:23.440 potentially be alleged

00:06:25.760 as an indiscretion

00:06:26.960 against anybody prosecuting

00:06:28.340 or not prosecuting

00:06:29.960 Hunter Biden.

00:06:30.980 But if they told this guy

00:06:33.420 that he can't actually

00:06:34.400 do anything outside

00:06:35.540 of what was happening

00:06:36.680 in Delaware,

00:06:39.100 and then on the other hand,

00:06:40.060 the attorney general saying,

00:06:41.040 no, no, no,

00:06:41.420 they had full discretion,

00:06:42.560 that seems to me

00:06:43.860 to be something

00:06:44.420 that Jamie Comer

00:06:45.500 and his committee

00:06:46.080 are going to probably

00:06:46.620 get to the bottom of

00:06:47.560 because, remember,

00:06:49.020 beyond what the plea deal was

00:06:51.820 that we heard about last week,

00:06:54.020 we wouldn't know

00:06:55.500 any of this stuff

00:06:56.860 if it wasn't

00:06:57.400 for the House Oversight Committee.

00:06:59.420 And that WhatsApp message,

00:07:00.860 for example,

00:07:02.000 all of that stuff,

00:07:03.260 the payments,

00:07:04.160 the smug always talks about

00:07:05.320 from the various Chinese entities

00:07:07.920 to nine members

00:07:08.980 of the Biden family,

00:07:09.940 all of that stuff

00:07:11.160 has come through

00:07:12.080 congressional oversight.

00:07:13.680 None of that stuff

00:07:14.300 has been disclosed by DOJ.

00:07:16.040 Now, you don't expect them

00:07:16.960 in the course of an investigation

00:07:19.100 to be disclosing everything

00:07:20.140 that they come across.

00:07:21.100 But when they say

00:07:21.700 they closed something out.

00:07:22.080 Well, they did during

00:07:22.260 the Donald Trump investigation.

00:07:24.240 Exactly.

00:07:25.200 Exactly.

00:07:25.800 Well, I think that's also

00:07:26.820 a really good point.

00:07:28.640 And I think, you know,

00:07:29.300 Josh is right.

00:07:29.820 That's a very critical point

00:07:30.960 to make is

00:07:31.840 what they had hoped to happen

00:07:34.040 is they could set up

00:07:35.080 a sweetheart deal

00:07:36.080 for the president's son

00:07:37.220 and no one would notice.

00:07:38.860 The one wrinkle in their plan

00:07:40.220 was Republicans took the House.

00:07:42.340 That wasn't supposed to happen.

00:07:43.900 They had three years

00:07:44.920 of basically being left unchecked

00:07:47.020 where Hunter,

00:07:48.080 we were told that

00:07:48.980 it was Russian disinformation

00:07:50.220 that he committed

00:07:51.800 any kind of a crime.

00:07:52.900 Well, we have video on it

00:07:54.240 and people are getting banned

00:07:55.460 from social media

00:07:56.200 for posting anything,

00:07:57.780 which was, you know,

00:07:58.600 who do you trust?

00:07:59.420 Your lying eyes, the media?

00:08:00.700 Who do you trust

00:08:01.180 in that situation?

00:08:02.440 And I think this has become

00:08:04.020 very clear that

00:08:05.060 when you have a situation

00:08:05.820 that there are two sides

00:08:07.540 to this coin.

00:08:08.020 One is Hunter and his lawyer

00:08:09.280 and the other is,

00:08:10.020 you know, the attorney general

00:08:11.180 who works for his father.

00:08:12.720 How is that a fair situation?

00:08:14.300 We're seeing exactly

00:08:15.320 the result of that.

00:08:17.680 Here's two things

00:08:18.500 I wanted to tell you.

00:08:21.360 Ted Cruz on his podcast

00:08:23.820 Verdict, The Verdict,

00:08:25.080 which is good.

00:08:25.980 I enjoy it.

00:08:27.400 He was saying yesterday,

00:08:28.620 don't be fooled

00:08:29.540 into this whole,

00:08:31.020 oh, you know,

00:08:32.480 David Weiss

00:08:33.000 was a Trump administration appointee.

00:08:34.660 He points out that,

00:08:36.260 yes, out of Delaware

00:08:37.480 and in order to get

00:08:39.340 that appointment,

00:08:40.300 even under a Republican president,

00:08:41.640 you'd have to have the blessing

00:08:43.120 of both state senators,

00:08:44.300 which are who are Democrats

00:08:46.200 in Delaware.

00:08:47.180 So he's saying, yes,

00:08:48.280 the guy might have been palatable

00:08:49.680 to the Trump administration,

00:08:50.660 but there's only so,

00:08:51.800 so reasonable he could be

00:08:53.900 in the eyes of at least

00:08:55.860 people who have

00:08:56.480 a more conservative jurisprudence

00:08:57.980 because he had to get a blessing

00:09:00.140 from, you know,

00:09:01.000 people who are on,

00:09:02.540 on, you know,

00:09:03.280 of the left.

00:09:04.200 So that was an interesting point,

00:09:05.440 which I had forgotten about.

00:09:07.760 Secondly,

00:09:08.920 yes,

00:09:09.280 they,

00:09:09.600 the DOJ,

00:09:10.240 the same DOJ,

00:09:11.340 which,

00:09:11.700 you know,

00:09:12.340 has,

00:09:12.740 has been so tight lipped

00:09:13.760 about any Hunter Biden leaks,

00:09:15.920 leaked on Trump

00:09:16.620 right from the beginning.

00:09:17.960 You know,

00:09:18.140 how did the New York Times

00:09:18.880 know the raid was happening?

00:09:19.820 How did everybody know that,

00:09:20.580 right?

00:09:20.700 Like they've been leaking

00:09:21.860 over and over

00:09:22.820 and except one thing

00:09:24.680 that they haven't leaked,

00:09:25.860 which is very interesting,

00:09:26.740 is,

00:09:27.800 you know,

00:09:27.940 if you read the indictment,

00:09:28.660 it talks about

00:09:29.140 the terrible nuclear secrets

00:09:30.600 that Trump has been hoarding

00:09:31.560 down at Mar-a-Lago.

00:09:32.480 Well,

00:09:32.640 why haven't they leaked?

00:09:34.280 Why?

00:09:34.620 I mean,

00:09:34.840 yes,

00:09:35.060 you're not going to tell

00:09:35.620 exactly all of our nuclear,

00:09:37.000 but they would have gotten

00:09:38.040 more specific in the leaks

00:09:39.300 if they had something

00:09:40.420 that really made them look bad.

00:09:41.560 They would.

00:09:42.780 They've proven that.

00:09:43.980 And the fact that

00:09:44.560 they just want to scare us

00:09:45.500 with the rhetoric

00:09:46.060 that's being used

00:09:46.900 tells me

00:09:47.520 they're trying to sort of

00:09:48.840 amp it up.

00:09:50.000 If they really had

00:09:51.200 a dead to rights document,

00:09:52.720 they would have leaked it.

00:09:53.980 It would have been leaked to CNN.

00:09:55.460 It would have been leaked

00:09:55.960 to Maggie Haberman.

00:09:57.240 We would know

00:09:57.840 more specifically

00:09:58.620 without actually compromising

00:09:59.960 our secrets

00:10:00.620 what exactly they had.

00:10:02.320 So this DOJ

00:10:03.100 is in it

00:10:04.280 up to their necks.

00:10:05.440 Here's the last point

00:10:06.100 and then I'll give it back

00:10:06.640 to you guys.

00:10:07.780 Via the Code of Federal Regulations,

00:10:09.680 special prosecutor jurisdiction,

00:10:11.680 the jurisdiction

00:10:12.160 of a special counsel

00:10:13.100 shall be established

00:10:14.460 by the attorney general.

00:10:16.520 And then it goes on.

00:10:17.400 If in the course

00:10:18.080 of his investigation,

00:10:19.340 the special counsel

00:10:20.020 concludes that

00:10:20.740 additional jurisdiction

00:10:21.680 beyond the specified

00:10:22.720 jurisdiction

00:10:23.720 in the original jurisdiction

00:10:26.520 provided to him

00:10:27.100 is necessary,

00:10:28.140 he shall consult

00:10:28.740 with the attorney general

00:10:29.600 who will determine

00:10:30.460 whether to include

00:10:32.040 the additional matters

00:10:33.020 within the special counsel

00:10:34.180 jurisdiction

00:10:34.660 or assign them elsewhere.

00:10:36.420 So, you know,

00:10:37.840 Merrick Garland is saying,

00:10:39.120 I told this guy

00:10:40.720 he could take this

00:10:42.020 in any direction he wanted

00:10:43.320 and he could prosecute

00:10:44.400 in any district

00:10:45.780 in which he wanted to,

00:10:48.360 thus having the same effect

00:10:49.860 as a special counsel.

00:10:51.080 And now it appears

00:10:52.100 that isn't true.

00:10:53.500 So the question is,

00:10:54.360 what should happen?

00:10:55.400 Kevin McCarthy

00:10:55.940 suggesting yesterday,

00:10:57.520 maybe we're going

00:10:58.020 to impeach Merrick Garland.

00:10:59.360 If he's the one lying,

00:11:01.180 he might get impeached.

00:11:02.520 And if he wasn't lying,

00:11:04.280 then it just proves

00:11:05.300 this guy, David Weiss,

00:11:06.620 lied to a group full of people

00:11:07.960 and half-assed the investigation.

00:11:11.480 Yeah, no question about it.

00:11:14.180 I mean, this is,

00:11:15.200 this is the core of the issue

00:11:17.700 because ultimately

00:11:18.980 it's one thing

00:11:19.920 about Hunter Biden

00:11:20.760 and you got him on tax

00:11:21.700 and a federal gun charge.

00:11:23.860 The problem is where

00:11:24.880 this ultimately leads, right?

00:11:26.560 I mean, this is what

00:11:27.420 we've talked about.

00:11:28.140 Well, if you look

00:11:29.420 at that decision,

00:11:31.020 this plea deal

00:11:32.040 with Hunter Biden,

00:11:33.080 they, you know,

00:11:34.160 we've talked about

00:11:34.860 on the show

00:11:35.400 that they also discuss

00:11:37.060 in there that

00:11:37.540 there is an ongoing investigation

00:11:39.340 and a cynic

00:11:40.500 might look at that

00:11:41.220 and say, well,

00:11:42.260 you know,

00:11:42.560 if there's an ongoing investigation

00:11:43.720 that's related

00:11:44.320 to all these other

00:11:45.060 potential crimes,

00:11:46.080 that's going to seal

00:11:47.040 those records

00:11:47.600 so that people can actually

00:11:48.520 see everything

00:11:49.300 that is there in evidence.

00:11:50.900 But I guess it's also possible

00:11:52.240 that those things

00:11:53.580 are yet to come, right?

00:11:55.320 But again,

00:11:55.880 back to the whole point

00:11:56.660 of taking the House,

00:11:57.500 it's like none of this

00:11:58.240 would really come to light

00:11:59.140 in the first place

00:11:59.800 if it wasn't for

00:12:01.000 Kevin McCarthy

00:12:02.140 and Comer

00:12:03.480 putting out

00:12:04.080 things like the WhatsApp,

00:12:05.540 you know?

00:12:05.880 That's right.

00:12:06.400 You know, I mean,

00:12:06.960 like we would have no idea

00:12:08.080 where this was going.

00:12:09.020 And if you read

00:12:09.820 that WhatsApp message

00:12:10.840 where Hunter Biden

00:12:11.980 clearly says

00:12:12.680 to this Chinese businessman,

00:12:14.520 like he does it

00:12:15.640 the way I talk

00:12:16.260 to my toddler

00:12:16.920 when I count to five

00:12:18.060 for him to eat his dinner.

00:12:20.140 He's like,

00:12:20.720 I am here with my father.

00:12:22.580 Like, I need an answer now

00:12:23.900 from you.

00:12:25.240 He's like,

00:12:25.900 he's like typing out

00:12:26.880 in case anybody wants to know

00:12:28.220 I'm extorting

00:12:28.940 and committing a crime

00:12:29.780 right now

00:12:30.240 and I'm sitting next

00:12:30.980 to the former Vice President

00:12:32.040 of the United States.

00:12:32.760 Like, how did that

00:12:33.740 not come out before?

00:12:35.160 And we have, you know,

00:12:35.820 obviously Jamie Comer

00:12:36.700 to thank for that.

00:12:37.640 Well, I'm sure that the media

00:12:38.980 was working really hard

00:12:40.100 to uncover.

00:12:40.900 They seem like they were

00:12:41.600 busting their tails,

00:12:43.160 don't they?

00:12:43.780 Just really doing it.

00:12:45.320 Yeah.

00:12:46.100 It's unbelievable.

00:12:46.900 It's incredible.

00:12:47.480 Well, the thing,

00:12:48.640 I mean, this is like,

00:12:49.360 this stinks to high heaven

00:12:50.420 because there's been

00:12:51.620 a lot of pressure

00:12:52.200 on the Attorney General

00:12:53.960 to appoint a special counsel

00:12:55.400 in the first place

00:12:56.200 to investigate Hunter Biden

00:12:57.260 to make sure

00:12:57.900 and Joe Biden

00:12:58.820 and this whole thing

00:12:59.540 to make sure

00:13:00.180 that they didn't really

00:13:02.000 have,

00:13:03.560 that there was

00:13:04.020 a level of independence

00:13:05.380 to actually look into this.

00:13:06.980 And then Garland's

00:13:07.780 trying to reassure people

00:13:08.640 saying he was basically

00:13:10.000 a special counsel.

00:13:11.060 Like, he wasn't exactly,

00:13:12.400 but I gave him full authority

00:13:13.700 to charge this guy

00:13:15.260 and investigate this case

00:13:16.520 in any jurisdiction

00:13:17.840 in the United States,

00:13:19.300 including Washington, D.C.,

00:13:21.100 which is where he allegedly

00:13:22.480 did all the bad,

00:13:23.300 the really bad stuff

00:13:24.180 that we're talking about here,

00:13:25.760 the corruption stuff.

00:13:27.500 And yet it doesn't appear

00:13:29.120 to be true.

00:13:30.060 And in fact,

00:13:30.640 the whistleblower

00:13:31.620 goes on to say

00:13:32.460 that the Biden-appointed

00:13:34.500 D.C. U.S. attorney,

00:13:36.140 the guy for D.C.,

00:13:37.100 Matthew Graves,

00:13:38.260 specifically said,

00:13:39.420 Weiss may not charge

00:13:41.080 in my district.

00:13:42.080 He was like, no.

00:13:42.900 He said he would not allow

00:13:44.080 Weiss to charge

00:13:44.700 in his district.

00:13:45.320 And there was testimony

00:13:45.940 that Weiss was turned down

00:13:47.560 in other districts as well,

00:13:48.920 according to the whistleblower.

00:13:50.140 So Weiss was having real trouble

00:13:51.660 getting any other prosecutor

00:13:52.900 to help him out

00:13:53.540 because if he didn't have

00:13:54.520 the authority

00:13:54.960 to charge in another district,

00:13:56.120 he needed the help

00:13:57.160 of the sitting

00:13:57.700 federal prosecutors

00:13:59.180 in those districts.

00:13:59.880 And it looks like

00:14:00.500 at every turn

00:14:00.980 they were giving him

00:14:01.580 the middle finger,

00:14:02.540 despite Merrick Garland's

00:14:03.960 testimony under oath

00:14:05.740 that he allowed it.

00:14:08.060 So which is it?

00:14:10.100 I mean, that's exactly the point.

00:14:11.680 And it also explains

00:14:12.600 why Weiss would tell investigators

00:14:14.840 that ultimately

00:14:15.560 he can't go down that road.

00:14:17.160 I mean, if he's actually

00:14:17.920 requested to make,

00:14:19.200 you know,

00:14:20.520 some kind of charges

00:14:21.780 within anybody else's district

00:14:23.460 and was denied.

00:14:24.960 Yeah, I mean,

00:14:25.460 his hands are sort of tied.

00:14:27.380 I think the biggest issue here,

00:14:29.020 you're right that Garland,

00:14:30.800 whether or not

00:14:31.440 any of this was true

00:14:32.600 is like the core of the issue.

00:14:33.900 But ultimately,

00:14:34.520 it's about where it leads.

00:14:36.500 And you have to believe

00:14:37.900 that the Jamie Comer evidence

00:14:39.920 that he has uncovered

00:14:41.120 was known to DOJ.

00:14:43.380 I mean, if they did

00:14:43.940 even just a cursory

00:14:45.220 search through WhatsApp

00:14:48.100 and text messages

00:14:49.200 or whatever,

00:14:50.000 they would have stumbled

00:14:50.700 upon the same thing

00:14:51.460 the Oversight Committee did.

00:14:52.660 And ultimately,

00:14:53.720 what that says,

00:14:55.240 and now we've learned

00:14:56.100 from the Washington Examiner

00:14:57.600 that Joe Biden

00:14:58.660 was actually in the same house

00:15:00.140 as Hunter Biden

00:15:00.800 when that WhatsApp message

00:15:04.040 suggesting that

00:15:04.900 they were together

00:15:05.540 happened,

00:15:07.300 it means that

00:15:08.680 the President of the United States

00:15:09.560 is a much, much,

00:15:10.560 much bigger thing

00:15:12.120 to answer here for

00:15:13.240 than whatever

00:15:14.160 Hunter Biden's tax crimes

00:15:15.440 might be.

00:15:16.200 Because you remember,

00:15:17.200 it's not just

00:15:18.060 misleading the American people,

00:15:19.840 lying to the American people

00:15:20.780 about your involvement

00:15:22.020 in foreign business dealings,

00:15:23.400 saying that you were never

00:15:24.160 involved in Hunter Biden's business.

00:15:25.920 All that stuff

00:15:26.780 is just sort of rhetorical.

00:15:28.400 This is about also

00:15:29.520 financial disclosures

00:15:31.020 that you make

00:15:31.760 as a President of the United States.

00:15:33.600 There's a whole bunch

00:15:34.660 of like big ticket issues

00:15:36.480 that if you are lying on,

00:15:38.940 there are actual

00:15:39.740 legal ramifications for

00:15:41.540 in addition to the tax issues,

00:15:43.380 whatever they may be.

00:15:44.360 So I think that this thing

00:15:46.200 ballooned pretty quickly

00:15:48.200 beyond anything

00:15:49.420 that they could have imagined

00:15:50.520 the tax implications

00:15:52.620 of Hunter Biden quickly.

00:15:54.900 And they try to put a top on it.

00:15:56.460 There's no other explanation for me

00:15:58.440 as to how it just sort of

00:15:59.780 stopped with Hunter.

00:16:01.200 And I think that's

00:16:01.760 especially important

00:16:02.760 because for so long

00:16:04.120 you've had folks on the left

00:16:05.280 and the media

00:16:05.860 carrying the message of,

00:16:07.520 oh, well,

00:16:07.900 I didn't vote for Hunter Biden.

00:16:09.680 Hunter Biden is not,

00:16:10.720 you know,

00:16:10.860 the President of the United States.

00:16:11.980 This is no longer

00:16:13.220 a Hunter Biden issue.

00:16:14.360 This is a Joe Biden issue.

00:16:15.860 We now have,

00:16:16.520 we've had evidence

00:16:17.340 that he had the keys

00:16:18.340 to the office

00:16:18.960 that Hunter Biden

00:16:19.620 is operating

00:16:20.400 this influence peddling scheme

00:16:21.940 out of.

00:16:22.920 We now have evidence

00:16:23.920 that he's in the room

00:16:25.240 while his son

00:16:26.000 is demanding

00:16:27.200 that a Chinese national

00:16:28.860 wire the money immediately.

00:16:30.440 And he promises

00:16:31.500 if you don't send me the money,

00:16:33.800 me and my father

00:16:35.280 will remember

00:16:36.300 and we will come down

00:16:37.340 on you for it.

00:16:37.980 This is like,

00:16:38.620 you know,

00:16:38.940 if you're tapping

00:16:39.900 Tony Soprano.

00:16:41.340 His lawyer was like,

00:16:43.200 hey, no,

00:16:43.540 he was on crack.

00:16:44.360 Yeah,

00:16:44.640 I mean,

00:16:44.960 it was not crack.

00:16:45.820 I can't listen to anything.

00:16:46.740 He was,

00:16:47.000 it was a crack.

00:16:47.660 And we also have a record

00:16:48.940 of some of the things going on.

00:16:50.200 doesn't excuse anything.

00:16:52.080 But I will say

00:16:53.480 in Joe Biden's defense,

00:16:55.260 it is possible

00:16:56.080 that Joe Biden

00:16:57.280 was upstairs

00:16:58.180 in the shower

00:16:59.120 and Hunter Biden

00:17:00.320 was downstairs

00:17:00.920 on the couch.

00:17:01.600 Like,

00:17:02.140 yo,

00:17:02.300 my dad's right next to me.

00:17:03.700 You know,

00:17:03.940 like he's right here.

00:17:04.760 Like,

00:17:05.100 I don't put

00:17:05.960 too much stock

00:17:07.220 in Hunter Biden.

00:17:08.120 You know,

00:17:08.260 he might have just said it

00:17:09.340 to threaten him

00:17:09.920 because he knew

00:17:10.400 his word

00:17:11.240 was absolutely

00:17:12.020 fucking useless.

00:17:13.500 And so it was like,

00:17:13.940 my daddy's here.

00:17:15.120 Him,

00:17:15.380 you need to care about.

00:17:16.200 That is,

00:17:16.640 that is a possibility.

00:17:18.920 But it's,

00:17:19.920 we should know.

00:17:20.840 Let's probe it.

00:17:21.600 Let's figure out.

00:17:22.540 We don't,

00:17:22.960 nobody's even asked.

00:17:24.460 And so far,

00:17:24.880 we just get Joe Biden

00:17:25.760 kind of smirking

00:17:27.000 and laughing at us

00:17:28.320 like this is all made up.

00:17:30.600 Go ahead,

00:17:30.980 Michael.

00:17:31.320 I interrupt you.

00:17:32.240 There's a precedent

00:17:33.020 for this sort of behavior

00:17:33.960 because I agree with you,

00:17:34.840 Megan.

00:17:35.020 We talked about this

00:17:35.880 on the show

00:17:36.300 in the last episode.

00:17:36.980 Like,

00:17:37.300 look,

00:17:37.480 he could have just

00:17:38.040 been pretending

00:17:38.700 that Joe Biden

00:17:39.740 was sitting there

00:17:40.220 next to him

00:17:40.780 so he could try to,

00:17:41.740 you know,

00:17:42.000 get this thing done.

00:17:43.220 But go back to

00:17:44.520 when he was sitting

00:17:45.440 on the board

00:17:45.780 of that Ukrainian

00:17:46.700 natural gas company,

00:17:48.080 Burisma,

00:17:48.800 and Joe Biden

00:17:49.780 is on tape

00:17:50.720 talking about

00:17:51.500 withholding aid

00:17:52.220 to Ukraine

00:17:52.820 because of this

00:17:53.980 prosecutor

00:17:55.360 who happened

00:17:55.880 to be investigating

00:17:56.660 the company

00:17:57.160 that his son

00:17:58.360 sits on the board of,

00:17:59.420 right?

00:17:59.740 And so you have

00:18:00.660 a demonstration

00:18:01.560 of previous behavior

00:18:02.980 in which Joe Biden

00:18:04.140 and Hunter Biden

00:18:05.940 colluded

00:18:06.680 to try to impact

00:18:07.820 a political decision.

00:18:09.160 Also,

00:18:09.360 by the way,

00:18:09.900 they impeached

00:18:10.480 Donald Trump

00:18:11.000 for doing pretty much

00:18:11.760 the same thing.

00:18:12.900 So,

00:18:13.560 it's wild.

00:18:15.820 And also,

00:18:16.740 you have separate

00:18:17.580 points of data

00:18:18.380 that you can look at

00:18:19.340 to put this whole case together

00:18:20.800 which is becoming

00:18:21.540 increasingly clear

00:18:22.420 that what's happening here

00:18:23.300 is independently,

00:18:25.700 the United States

00:18:26.240 Treasury puts out

00:18:27.000 suspicious activity reports

00:18:28.220 saying that nine members

00:18:29.420 of the Biden family

00:18:30.200 are having money

00:18:30.980 wired to them

00:18:31.560 from China.

00:18:32.600 Is that just

00:18:33.420 a random coincidence

00:18:34.680 that,

00:18:35.340 okay,

00:18:35.600 well,

00:18:35.860 this guy is sending

00:18:36.620 messages to Chinese

00:18:37.420 nationals

00:18:37.840 trying to extort them

00:18:38.620 and then millions

00:18:39.560 of dollars

00:18:39.900 start getting wired

00:18:40.560 from China?

00:18:41.060 It's like,

00:18:41.600 what,

00:18:41.780 did you just win

00:18:42.220 the lottery

00:18:42.740 except in China?

00:18:43.660 That's just

00:18:44.300 a random coincidence?

00:18:46.000 And then Hunter Biden

00:18:47.520 got that $5 million

00:18:48.600 within 10 days

00:18:50.860 of that WhatsApp message.

00:18:52.460 That's pretty incriminating.

00:18:54.240 That's a pretty good fact

00:18:55.720 if you want to go after him

00:18:57.220 and say that message

00:18:58.260 did happen

00:18:58.940 and they were up to no good.

00:19:00.940 Now,

00:19:01.060 I wanted to say,

00:19:02.440 correct one thing I said,

00:19:04.960 the Garland statements

00:19:06.380 were not under oath.

00:19:07.240 They were from a DOJ presser.

00:19:09.040 Take a listen to how

00:19:09.640 Merrick Garland

00:19:10.160 characterized all this

00:19:11.120 on Friday

00:19:12.180 when he was responding

00:19:13.300 to some of these

00:19:13.960 whistleblower allegations.

00:19:15.740 Okay,

00:19:15.900 this is Biden.

00:19:16.900 As I said at the outlet,

00:19:17.900 Mr. David Weiss,

00:19:19.000 who was appointed

00:19:19.460 by President Trump

00:19:20.340 as the U.S. Attorney in Delaware

00:19:21.520 and assigned this matter

00:19:22.480 during a previous administration,

00:19:24.100 would be permitted

00:19:24.880 to continue his investigation

00:19:26.020 and make a decision

00:19:26.880 to prosecute

00:19:27.500 any way in which he wanted

00:19:28.900 and in any district

00:19:30.620 in which he wanted to.

00:19:31.900 Then he goes on to say this.

00:19:33.480 I don't know

00:19:34.120 how it would be possible

00:19:35.200 for anybody to block him

00:19:36.940 from bringing a prosecution

00:19:38.520 given that he had,

00:19:40.420 that he has this authority.

00:19:42.540 He was given complete authority

00:19:44.500 to make all decisions

00:19:46.080 on his own.

00:19:47.260 So he's saying

00:19:48.060 he could not have been blocked

00:19:49.240 from bringing a prosecution.

00:19:51.180 This is Garland saying this

00:19:52.400 and the whistleblower

00:19:54.340 saying exactly the opposite,

00:19:56.260 that they were told

00:19:57.480 he, the whistleblower,

00:19:59.220 and several others,

00:20:00.040 Baltimore FBI

00:20:00.840 special agent in charge,

00:20:02.560 assistant special agent

00:20:03.460 in charge,

00:20:04.180 another woman,

00:20:05.220 an IRS special agent

00:20:06.420 in charge,

00:20:07.140 Sean,

00:20:07.480 he goes on,

00:20:08.400 he names them,

00:20:09.200 that they were all told

00:20:10.060 by this guy Weiss

00:20:10.980 he lacked authority

00:20:12.240 to charge Hunter Biden

00:20:13.440 outside of Delaware

00:20:14.380 and was denies.

00:20:15.360 Okay, so there is

00:20:16.940 a direct diversion there.

00:20:18.840 I just wanted to make sure

00:20:19.780 people understand

00:20:20.540 there's no question

00:20:21.800 that there's a split

00:20:22.680 between what the whistleblower

00:20:24.500 is saying actually happened

00:20:25.660 and what Merrick Garland

00:20:26.620 is saying actually happened.

00:20:27.900 Hence the calls now

00:20:29.400 for this federal judge

00:20:30.440 to not approve this plea deal

00:20:32.280 until we figure it out.

00:20:33.900 That conversation

00:20:34.720 in the WhatsApp thing

00:20:35.500 I think would have happened

00:20:36.200 in Delaware.

00:20:37.160 But the stuff in D.C.,

00:20:38.640 which is outside

00:20:39.620 of David Weiss's jurisdiction,

00:20:41.000 according to the whistleblower,

00:20:42.360 includes Hunter was apparently

00:20:44.280 living in D.C.

00:20:45.000 when the issues

00:20:45.580 with the foreign income

00:20:46.320 from Burisma took place

00:20:48.680 and the scheme

00:20:49.080 to evade his income taxes

00:20:50.240 also took place.

00:20:51.140 So D.C. is relevant

00:20:52.260 among potentially

00:20:53.080 other jurisdictions.

00:20:54.300 It just gets more

00:20:55.300 and more complicated.

00:20:56.680 And honestly, you're right.

00:20:58.100 If the if the Republicans

00:20:59.460 hadn't eked out

00:21:00.440 that victory, guys,

00:21:02.000 we would know none of this

00:21:03.280 because the press

00:21:04.140 none of it usually

00:21:04.920 are the ones

00:21:05.500 to sniff this kind

00:21:06.480 of stuff out

00:21:07.120 has zero interest

00:21:08.460 in this story still

00:21:09.480 even today.

00:21:11.040 And what you ask yourself,

00:21:12.800 why?

00:21:13.360 Well, you know,

00:21:14.140 because there were

00:21:15.220 all Democrats

00:21:16.040 and you know

00:21:16.940 that if Hunter Biden

00:21:17.760 were a Republican,

00:21:18.560 Joe Biden were a Republican,

00:21:19.760 that the press

00:21:20.860 would have been all over this

00:21:22.040 in the lead up

00:21:22.640 to the investigation.

00:21:23.440 And if these

00:21:24.340 if the investigation

00:21:25.120 wasn't going

00:21:25.940 in the direction

00:21:26.760 strong enough,

00:21:27.540 you know,

00:21:27.740 the press would be

00:21:28.500 holding Department

00:21:29.200 of Justice accountable.

00:21:30.880 I mean, we've talked

00:21:31.440 about this endlessly

00:21:32.840 on the show.

00:21:33.580 It's one of the most

00:21:34.080 demoralizing aspects

00:21:35.300 to the press right now

00:21:36.500 is that they are

00:21:37.720 they're biased.

00:21:38.500 What has been biased

00:21:39.780 for years is just

00:21:40.460 getting worse

00:21:41.120 and worse and worse.

00:21:42.780 We had to talk

00:21:43.340 for two years

00:21:44.060 about a meeting

00:21:44.660 in Trump Tower

00:21:45.240 that Don Jr.

00:21:46.060 happened to be in.

00:21:47.200 Yeah, right.

00:21:47.620 Yeah.

00:21:47.780 You know what I mean?

00:21:48.340 Well, the other thing

00:21:48.980 is, though, sourcing.

00:21:50.100 Yeah.

00:21:50.260 Right.

00:21:50.560 I mean, the part

00:21:51.740 of the problem

00:21:52.140 we found with Russiagate

00:21:53.180 and everything else

00:21:53.880 after five years

00:21:55.480 of ruining our country

00:21:56.400 over it is that

00:21:57.480 the FBI,

00:21:58.560 people in the FBI,

00:22:00.440 people in the intel services

00:22:01.800 were actively providing

00:22:03.080 the press information

00:22:04.080 that turned out

00:22:05.240 not to be the truth.

00:22:06.500 Right.

00:22:07.100 And I think

00:22:07.860 what we're seeing here

00:22:08.720 is that there is

00:22:09.460 no interest.

00:22:11.000 Right.

00:22:11.320 I mean, the same time

00:22:12.420 we're getting all kinds

00:22:13.200 of audio leaks

00:22:14.000 of Donald Trump,

00:22:15.060 we're not seeing

00:22:16.220 any leaks

00:22:17.360 of anything

00:22:18.220 pertaining to

00:22:19.200 Hunter Biden

00:22:19.960 and Joe Biden.

00:22:20.960 And you again,

00:22:21.720 why?

00:22:22.200 Yeah.

00:22:22.280 You look at how

00:22:22.880 they frame

00:22:23.400 these Hunter Biden

00:22:24.140 stories.

00:22:24.740 It's Republicans

00:22:25.460 pounce on latest

00:22:27.100 Hunter Biden activity.

00:22:28.540 It's not it's not

00:22:29.420 that Hunter Biden

00:22:30.040 did something wrong.

00:22:31.280 And then when they

00:22:31.740 talk about his guilty

00:22:33.080 plea,

00:22:33.740 it's like,

00:22:35.440 oh, it's all over

00:22:36.140 here.

00:22:36.560 Yeah.

00:22:36.800 Yeah.

00:22:37.040 Right.

00:22:37.460 This this this

00:22:38.620 hurts the Republican

00:22:40.700 claim that there

00:22:41.780 are two systems

00:22:42.400 of justice

00:22:42.980 and like all of it

00:22:44.840 is a Democrat

00:22:45.420 guilty plea.

00:22:46.800 These whistleblowers

00:22:47.760 have come out

00:22:48.180 since the guilty plea.

00:22:49.620 The WhatsApp message.

00:22:50.480 All of this is happening

00:22:51.160 because these whistleblowers

00:22:52.040 are pissed off

00:22:53.140 at what was done.

00:22:54.980 They're telling us

00:22:55.580 the truth about

00:22:56.300 what led up

00:22:56.920 to these guilty pleas

00:22:57.860 and how inept

00:22:59.140 they are,

00:22:59.660 how insufficient

00:23:00.640 they are,

00:23:01.180 given the evidence

00:23:01.700 the IRS had against him

00:23:02.940 in the in the lane

00:23:04.920 charged and in others.

00:23:06.400 And you're exactly right

00:23:07.460 because we talked

00:23:08.560 about this a little bit

00:23:09.320 yesterday.

00:23:09.680 The press,

00:23:10.680 Claire McCaskill

00:23:11.560 on MSNBC,

00:23:13.060 Nick Kristof

00:23:13.720 of The New York Times,

00:23:15.280 all trying to push

00:23:16.040 this into Hunter's

00:23:17.120 drug problem.

00:23:17.920 This is all about

00:23:18.540 that.

00:23:19.280 That's not an excuse.

00:23:20.780 That doesn't excuse

00:23:21.980 criminality

00:23:23.040 in any lane.

00:23:24.780 But here we go.

00:23:25.980 We got more of it

00:23:26.580 from Anna Navarro

00:23:27.320 on The View.

00:23:28.440 Listen to this person.

00:23:30.000 The Hunter Biden story,

00:23:33.820 the scandal,

00:23:34.920 the this,

00:23:35.300 the that,

00:23:35.620 it's also the story

00:23:36.900 of a father's love.

00:23:38.760 And Joe Biden

00:23:39.380 has never

00:23:40.080 and will never

00:23:41.040 give up on his son,

00:23:42.440 Hunter,

00:23:43.580 and will never

00:23:44.200 treat him lesser than.

00:23:45.720 And so he is

00:23:46.420 a father first.

00:23:47.680 Take it or leave it.

00:23:50.040 Yes.

00:23:50.640 Yes.

00:23:50.920 Serving on

00:23:51.720 Ukrainian natural gas

00:23:53.500 boards,

00:23:54.580 smoking crack

00:23:55.260 with prostitutes

00:23:56.100 and throwing guns

00:23:56.820 into school zones.

00:23:57.940 There but for the grace

00:23:58.780 of God go I.

00:24:00.000 Are you kidding me?

00:24:03.120 But he shows up

00:24:04.360 at a state dinner,

00:24:05.440 right?

00:24:06.040 That's the thing.

00:24:06.960 Yeah.

00:24:07.480 You can't simultaneously

00:24:08.460 say that this

00:24:09.640 son of mine

00:24:11.380 is deeply troubled

00:24:12.760 and has all kinds

00:24:13.740 of things in his life

00:24:14.700 that's regrettable.

00:24:15.660 And, you know,

00:24:16.400 unfortunately,

00:24:16.900 that's his problem.

00:24:18.140 And then have him

00:24:18.780 show up in Beijing

00:24:19.680 with you

00:24:20.280 during the course

00:24:21.160 of your vice presidency

00:24:22.700 and show up

00:24:23.800 on Ukrainian boards

00:24:24.880 during the course

00:24:25.780 of your vice presidency.

00:24:27.080 And then when you

00:24:27.780 become president,

00:24:28.560 he's the bell

00:24:29.160 of the ball

00:24:29.680 at every state dinner.

00:24:30.800 It's what Smug

00:24:31.540 often talks about

00:24:32.520 on the show

00:24:32.980 that this isn't

00:24:33.580 about hypocrisy.

00:24:34.620 We obviously know

00:24:35.220 it's hypocrisy,

00:24:36.000 but it's hierarchy.

00:24:37.720 They're laughing

00:24:38.560 in our faces.

00:24:39.480 This is a guy

00:24:40.160 who's being accused

00:24:41.260 of influence peddling

00:24:42.680 in foreign countries

00:24:43.500 and taking money

00:24:44.380 from China,

00:24:45.480 taking money

00:24:45.980 from this corrupt

00:24:46.820 Ukrainian gas company

00:24:48.680 and all of this

00:24:49.200 sort of stuff.

00:24:49.760 And he's showing up

00:24:50.740 at official events

00:24:52.620 with foreign dignitaries

00:24:53.620 in front of us.

00:24:54.300 They're laughing at us.

00:24:55.080 That's what she was

00:24:56.420 actually commenting on.

00:24:57.600 Anna Navarro

00:24:57.980 was responding

00:24:58.760 to the blowback

00:24:59.460 against Biden

00:25:00.240 for including

00:25:01.000 Hunter Biden

00:25:01.600 in the state dinner.

00:25:02.420 Like, they don't care.

00:25:03.280 That just shows

00:25:03.960 his love for his son.

00:25:05.280 You can love your child

00:25:06.900 and still recognize

00:25:08.000 it would be inappropriate

00:25:09.120 given the circumstances

00:25:10.380 to bring him

00:25:11.400 to something

00:25:12.200 that is not

00:25:12.740 your private party.

00:25:14.480 It's not your private party,

00:25:15.980 Joe Biden.

00:25:16.760 It's our party.

00:25:17.660 It's the United States.

00:25:19.000 It's America.

00:25:19.760 And Hunter Biden

00:25:20.580 should not have been there.

00:25:22.480 Yeah, she never talked

00:25:24.220 about President Trump's

00:25:26.260 relationship with Don Jr.

00:25:27.460 I mean, if he had written

00:25:28.340 a text to the Chinese,

00:25:30.420 whoever,

00:25:31.300 I mean, they would have

00:25:32.080 been all over it.

00:25:33.300 I've been over.

00:25:34.760 It's like Bill Clinton

00:25:35.940 bringing Monica Lewinsky

00:25:37.800 to family dinner.

00:25:39.960 It's like,

00:25:40.660 it's just badly absurd.

00:25:42.780 And I have to get a new dress

00:25:44.440 for that occasion, though.

00:25:45.760 And the attempt

00:25:46.440 to brush this off

00:25:47.300 is like, oh,

00:25:48.040 this is a story

00:25:49.020 about addiction.

00:25:50.140 Oh, this is a tragic story

00:25:51.460 about addiction.

00:25:52.400 I don't think everyone

00:25:53.440 who gets addicted

00:25:54.180 to smoking crack

00:25:55.240 starts selling,

00:25:56.320 you know,

00:25:56.660 influence to the Chinese.

00:25:57.780 That's not like part

00:25:58.420 and parcel of like

00:25:59.080 your third day smoking crack.

00:26:00.640 You're getting wired

00:26:01.160 five million dollars.

00:26:02.180 It's a very big crash.

00:26:04.800 And as you guys pointed out,

00:26:06.560 it's also the question

00:26:07.480 of not just Hunter,

00:26:08.660 but Joe.

00:26:09.120 You know,

00:26:09.560 this is such a convenient way

00:26:10.840 of deflecting

00:26:12.200 from the questions

00:26:13.000 about what Joe Biden's role was,

00:26:15.300 whether he got

00:26:16.000 that alleged

00:26:16.760 five million dollar payment

00:26:17.860 outlined in that FBI

00:26:18.960 informant document,

00:26:20.120 the 1023.

00:26:20.680 and what else

00:26:22.260 he may or may not

00:26:22.880 have gotten.

00:26:24.440 Because because it's

00:26:25.420 one of two things,

00:26:26.260 very clearly,

00:26:26.800 it's one of two things.

00:26:28.160 Either one,

00:26:29.680 Hunter was unscrupulously

00:26:31.620 parading

00:26:32.900 and his father's

00:26:34.460 good name

00:26:35.140 in front of

00:26:36.320 foreign nationals

00:26:37.160 to try to extort

00:26:38.020 them out of money

00:26:38.720 that God knows

00:26:39.560 he couldn't earn

00:26:40.420 unless they were

00:26:41.260 trying to tap

00:26:41.820 his expertise

00:26:42.500 on tie hookers

00:26:43.580 or crack rock.

00:26:44.680 or Joe Biden

00:26:47.800 knew he was

00:26:48.940 parading his name

00:26:49.760 around these people

00:26:50.740 and was perhaps

00:26:52.540 doing something

00:26:53.500 about it.

00:26:54.420 It's all part of

00:26:55.020 the love story.

00:26:55.680 One of those two things.

00:26:57.320 Well,

00:26:57.560 it's a love story,

00:26:58.680 May.

00:26:58.800 It's a father's love.

00:27:00.020 We all know that.

00:27:02.900 Everyone should be

00:27:03.660 so lucky

00:27:04.160 as to have a father

00:27:05.180 who happens to be

00:27:05.960 vice president

00:27:06.860 or president

00:27:07.620 and opens the doors,

00:27:09.060 greases the skids

00:27:09.920 for millions of dollars

00:27:11.160 to come from

00:27:11.780 our enemies.

00:27:12.860 All right,

00:27:13.020 let's pause there.

00:27:13.780 When we come back,

00:27:14.320 let's talk about

00:27:14.900 the Trump tape.

00:27:15.680 We'll play it in full

00:27:16.460 and discuss

00:27:17.600 what it means.

00:27:18.780 The guys from

00:27:19.480 Ruthless

00:27:20.140 stay with us

00:27:21.000 for the show.

00:27:25.120 Yesterday,

00:27:25.600 when I came back

00:27:26.040 from my two-week vacation,

00:27:27.380 I gave the audience

00:27:27.980 my take on

00:27:28.660 this whole prosecution.

00:27:30.020 In any prosecution,

00:27:31.060 there is something

00:27:31.420 called prosecutorial

00:27:32.320 discretion.

00:27:33.360 And even if you know

00:27:34.060 you have the guy,

00:27:35.420 you got to decide

00:27:36.200 whether to actually

00:27:36.900 bring the charges.

00:27:38.240 Charging a former

00:27:38.960 president of the United States

00:27:40.060 would require

00:27:40.640 a very serious

00:27:41.960 exercise

00:27:43.340 of that discretion

00:27:44.640 on whether

00:27:45.860 it's worth

00:27:46.560 putting the country

00:27:47.420 through the kind

00:27:49.020 of tumult

00:27:49.720 that would result

00:27:50.420 in this kind

00:27:51.200 of charge.

00:27:52.000 I don't think

00:27:52.760 this was the case

00:27:53.680 for all sorts

00:27:54.380 of reasons,

00:27:54.820 not just the country's

00:27:55.980 sake,

00:27:56.260 but the president

00:27:57.260 of Hillary,

00:27:57.800 who also withheld

00:27:58.660 documents,

00:27:59.200 who also destroyed

00:28:00.220 documents that were

00:28:01.080 under federal subpoena,

00:28:02.300 subpoena,

00:28:02.860 knowing that they

00:28:03.900 were responsive,

00:28:04.940 who,

00:28:05.420 unlike Trump,

00:28:06.440 actually does seem

00:28:07.260 to have exposed

00:28:07.840 our state secrets

00:28:08.640 to our enemies

00:28:09.460 via her homebrew server,

00:28:10.920 which they believe

00:28:11.840 at least the Chinese

00:28:12.640 accessed,

00:28:13.400 which is not the case

00:28:14.260 with Trump.

00:28:15.120 What we believe

00:28:15.700 is that he kept them

00:28:17.140 not entirely secure

00:28:18.480 down in Mar-a-Lago

00:28:19.640 and people just worried

00:28:21.620 after the fact

00:28:22.620 on whether it would

00:28:23.660 have been easy

00:28:24.100 for somebody

00:28:24.460 to access them,

00:28:25.260 but there's absolutely

00:28:25.800 no proof

00:28:26.780 or actual reason

00:28:27.900 to believe someone did.

00:28:29.320 Okay,

00:28:29.480 so I don't believe

00:28:30.980 this is an appropriate

00:28:31.940 prosecution

00:28:32.400 and I believe

00:28:32.940 you have to consider

00:28:33.580 it in the light

00:28:34.160 of the five-plus-year

00:28:35.900 campaign to ruin

00:28:36.800 Trump and charge

00:28:37.600 him criminally

00:28:38.220 and put him

00:28:39.080 behind bars

00:28:40.040 in the first place.

00:28:40.840 I mean,

00:28:40.920 you go back

00:28:41.260 and you look at,

00:28:41.760 I just did this

00:28:42.260 for kicks,

00:28:43.360 you look at when

00:28:43.880 Russiagate was breaking

00:28:44.820 and people were talking

00:28:45.580 about how he was

00:28:46.240 a Russian agent,

00:28:47.420 you know,

00:28:47.640 and how he was,

00:28:48.920 he had a handler

00:28:49.740 over in Russia

00:28:51.100 when he was the

00:28:52.020 sitting U.S.

00:28:52.540 president being

00:28:53.080 controlled by his

00:28:54.040 Russian handlers

00:28:54.780 and the number of

00:28:55.980 calls for his

00:28:56.560 prosecution,

00:28:57.940 you know,

00:28:58.180 and then even after

00:28:59.300 the Mueller report

00:29:01.420 came out

00:29:01.960 and Bill Barr

00:29:02.920 was like,

00:29:03.500 they didn't get him.

00:29:04.760 People freaked out.

00:29:05.680 No,

00:29:05.960 he did get him.

00:29:07.100 There needs to be

00:29:07.480 a criminal prosecution.

00:29:08.200 I mean,

00:29:08.320 they've been wanting

00:29:09.360 to put Trump

00:29:10.400 in handcuffs

00:29:11.500 from the start

00:29:12.820 and so now,

00:29:14.200 finally,

00:29:14.460 they went after him

00:29:15.200 in a way they never

00:29:15.780 did with other

00:29:16.300 presidents,

00:29:16.820 they never did

00:29:17.280 with other people

00:29:17.840 like Hillary

00:29:18.340 who had classified

00:29:19.360 information

00:29:19.920 or national security

00:29:21.240 information

00:29:21.740 because it just

00:29:23.140 fulfills their

00:29:23.660 long-held desire.

00:29:24.560 Okay,

00:29:24.720 so that's my

00:29:25.200 disclaimer,

00:29:26.120 but that doesn't

00:29:26.760 stop me from

00:29:27.560 wanting to hear

00:29:28.300 the validity

00:29:29.060 of the actual

00:29:30.040 legal case against

00:29:30.880 him.

00:29:31.620 And this

00:29:32.420 recording

00:29:33.380 that CNN

00:29:34.200 got a copy

00:29:35.500 of is terrible

00:29:37.140 for Donald

00:29:37.620 Trump's legal

00:29:38.720 chances.

00:29:39.800 That's my

00:29:40.440 take is it's

00:29:41.280 terrible.

00:29:43.140 Trump went on

00:29:43.820 Brett Baier

00:29:44.240 last week

00:29:44.920 and I believe

00:29:46.540 mischaracterized

00:29:47.620 it,

00:29:47.960 but we're going

00:29:48.680 to play it

00:29:49.040 for the audience

00:29:49.560 and get you

00:29:50.180 guys to weigh

00:29:50.560 in and let

00:29:50.860 the audience

00:29:51.220 decide for

00:29:51.720 themselves.

00:29:54.000 He should not

00:29:54.720 have gone on

00:29:55.080 Brett Baier

00:29:55.340 and talked

00:29:55.680 about the

00:29:55.980 document.

00:29:56.840 Before we

00:29:57.400 saw the

00:29:57.760 document,

00:29:58.120 we only had

00:29:58.560 a partial

00:29:59.100 transcript of

00:29:59.760 the tape.

00:30:00.160 I said,

00:30:00.800 we don't know

00:30:01.900 whether Trump

00:30:02.300 actually had the

00:30:02.880 document.

00:30:03.220 He could

00:30:03.980 have been

00:30:04.340 full of

00:30:04.640 bluster.

00:30:05.380 He could

00:30:05.560 have been

00:30:05.740 waving around

00:30:06.400 the morning

00:30:07.900 sports scores

00:30:08.680 saying,

00:30:09.640 look at this.

00:30:10.580 I've got

00:30:10.940 something that

00:30:11.400 contradicts Mark

00:30:12.180 Milley calling

00:30:12.800 me a

00:30:13.260 warmonger.

00:30:13.920 I've got a

00:30:14.320 document that

00:30:14.760 proves he was

00:30:15.320 the warmonger.

00:30:16.260 He was

00:30:16.640 submitting plans

00:30:17.340 to me to

00:30:17.660 attack Iran,

00:30:18.560 not the other

00:30:19.000 way around.

00:30:19.920 Could have

00:30:20.180 been absolutely

00:30:20.620 nothing in his

00:30:21.240 hand.

00:30:22.200 Well,

00:30:23.160 he kind of

00:30:24.420 tried to go

00:30:25.120 with that

00:30:25.480 defense on

00:30:27.740 Brett Baier,

00:30:28.740 but the full

00:30:29.580 audio tape,

00:30:30.540 I think,

00:30:30.980 puts the lie

00:30:31.580 to what he

00:30:32.540 said.

00:30:33.500 Let's

00:30:33.980 first play

00:30:34.840 for the

00:30:35.120 audience

00:30:35.400 exactly what

00:30:36.020 he tried

00:30:36.400 to say

00:30:36.660 to Brett

00:30:37.120 in diminishing

00:30:38.800 what it was

00:30:39.620 he waved

00:30:40.080 around some

00:30:41.380 meeting involving

00:30:42.360 Mark Meadows

00:30:43.440 book that

00:30:45.080 Trump attended,

00:30:45.820 a couple of

00:30:46.140 members of the

00:30:46.520 press attended,

00:30:47.220 and some

00:30:47.580 Trump aides

00:30:48.200 attended that

00:30:49.500 has now become

00:30:50.020 such an issue

00:30:50.620 for him.

00:30:51.000 ready?

00:30:52.920 You were

00:30:53.200 recording.

00:30:53.560 It wasn't a

00:30:53.940 document.

00:30:54.520 I had lots

00:30:55.480 of paper.

00:30:56.180 I had copies

00:30:56.880 of newspaper

00:30:57.560 articles.

00:30:58.280 I had copies

00:30:58.860 of magazines.

00:30:59.740 When I said

00:31:00.740 that I couldn't

00:31:01.300 declassify it now,

00:31:02.500 that's because I

00:31:02.940 wasn't president.

00:31:03.900 I never made

00:31:04.900 any bonds about

00:31:05.600 that.

00:31:06.200 When I'm not

00:31:06.820 president, I

00:31:07.660 can't declassify

00:31:08.580 Brett.

00:31:09.340 There was no

00:31:09.920 document.

00:31:10.540 That was a

00:31:11.080 massive amount

00:31:12.020 of papers and

00:31:12.760 everything else

00:31:13.380 talking about

00:31:14.380 Iran and other

00:31:15.480 things, and it

00:31:16.900 may have been

00:31:17.620 held up or may

00:31:18.440 not, but that

00:31:18.980 was not a

00:31:19.480 document.

00:31:20.000 I didn't have

00:31:20.340 a document

00:31:20.960 per se.

00:31:21.760 There was

00:31:21.980 nothing to

00:31:22.480 declassify.

00:31:23.100 These were

00:31:23.380 newspaper stories,

00:31:24.380 magazine stories,

00:31:25.240 and articles.

00:31:26.240 I don't think

00:31:26.620 I've ever seen

00:31:27.240 a document

00:31:27.740 from Millie.

00:31:29.520 Very clear

00:31:30.180 defense.

00:31:30.880 It was not.

00:31:32.200 I was basically

00:31:33.060 saying I was

00:31:33.380 bullshitting people.

00:31:34.360 I didn't actually

00:31:34.980 have it.

00:31:37.020 You know,

00:31:37.620 I had just

00:31:38.520 newspapers.

00:31:39.560 That's all I

00:31:40.000 was waving

00:31:40.340 around.

00:31:40.840 Well, maybe

00:31:42.080 this was

00:31:42.500 bullshit.

00:31:43.000 Like, maybe

00:31:43.500 what you're

00:31:43.900 about to hear

00:31:44.420 was him

00:31:45.000 bullshitting.

00:31:48.220 Let's let

00:31:48.740 the audience

00:31:49.100 decide.

00:31:49.580 Here is

00:31:49.840 the full

00:31:50.280 two-minute

00:31:50.700 tape of

00:31:51.220 Trump

00:31:51.540 with that

00:31:53.380 alleged

00:31:53.720 document.

00:31:56.000 Bad, sick

00:31:56.940 people.

00:31:57.940 That was your

00:31:58.880 coup, you

00:31:59.720 know, against

00:32:00.840 you.

00:32:01.840 Well, it

00:32:02.100 started right

00:32:02.760 at the end.

00:32:03.340 Like when Millie's

00:32:03.700 talking about,

00:32:04.500 oh, you were

00:32:05.040 going to try

00:32:05.520 to do a coup.

00:32:06.040 No, they were

00:32:06.680 trying to do

00:32:07.160 that before you

00:32:07.940 even were

00:32:08.420 sworn in.

00:32:09.320 That's right.

00:32:09.940 Trying to

00:32:10.300 overthrow your

00:32:11.120 life.

00:32:11.360 Well, with

00:32:11.760 Millie, let me

00:32:13.420 see that.

00:32:13.880 I'll show you

00:32:14.380 an example.

00:32:14.820 He said

00:32:15.860 that I

00:32:18.020 wanted to

00:32:18.540 attack Iran.

00:32:21.460 Isn't it

00:32:22.040 amazing?

00:32:22.540 I have a big

00:32:23.000 pile of papers.

00:32:23.740 This thing

00:32:24.020 just came up.

00:32:24.800 Look.

00:32:26.700 This was him.

00:32:28.340 They presented

00:32:29.200 me this.

00:32:29.880 This is off

00:32:30.300 the record,

00:32:30.760 but they

00:32:31.480 presented me

00:32:32.200 this.

00:32:33.060 This was him.

00:32:34.500 This was the

00:32:35.100 Defense Department

00:32:35.860 and him.

00:32:37.140 Wow.

00:32:37.760 We looked at

00:32:38.300 him.

00:32:38.680 This was him.

00:32:39.260 This wasn't

00:32:39.700 done by me.

00:32:40.300 This was him.

00:32:41.260 All sorts of

00:32:42.300 stuff.

00:32:43.040 Pages long.

00:32:43.980 Wait a minute.

00:32:46.420 Let's see here.

00:32:49.060 I just found

00:32:52.140 isn't that

00:32:52.520 amazing?

00:32:53.720 This totally

00:32:54.340 wins my case,

00:32:55.120 you know.

00:32:55.960 Except it is

00:32:56.960 like highly

00:32:57.640 controversial

00:32:58.640 secret.

00:33:00.080 There's a

00:33:00.560 secret information.

00:33:01.860 Look at this.

00:33:03.180 You attack.

00:33:04.700 Hillary would

00:33:05.440 print that out

00:33:06.140 all the time.

00:33:07.780 She'd send it

00:33:09.460 to Anthony

00:33:10.600 Weiner.

00:33:11.960 The pervert.

00:33:13.980 By the way,

00:33:15.240 isn't that

00:33:15.580 incredible?

00:33:16.860 I was just

00:33:17.380 saying because

00:33:17.700 we were talking

00:33:18.180 about it.

00:33:19.320 He said he

00:33:20.380 wanted to

00:33:20.960 attack Iran.

00:33:23.120 He's in the

00:33:23.880 papers.

00:33:25.260 This was done

00:33:26.100 by the military

00:33:26.800 given to me.

00:33:28.360 Oh, God.

00:33:29.460 I think we can

00:33:30.260 probably.

00:33:31.260 We'll have to

00:33:33.360 see.

00:33:33.700 We'll have to

00:33:34.560 try to

00:33:35.420 figure out

00:33:36.660 a

00:33:37.100 Yes,

00:33:37.560 President,

00:33:38.000 I could have

00:33:38.360 deglessed.

00:33:39.040 No, I can't.

00:33:40.080 You know, but

00:33:40.380 this is

00:33:40.720 interesting.

00:33:43.580 Yeah.

00:33:43.940 It's so cool.

00:33:45.040 I mean,

00:33:45.280 it's so

00:33:45.560 I'm look

00:33:46.160 we're here.

00:33:46.720 I have

00:33:46.820 and you

00:33:48.280 probably almost

00:33:49.140 didn't believe

00:33:49.640 me, but

00:33:50.000 now you

00:33:50.440 believe me.

00:33:50.820 No, I

00:33:51.180 believe it.

00:33:51.500 It's

00:33:51.620 incredible,

00:33:52.400 right?

00:33:53.020 No.

00:33:53.360 Hey, bring

00:33:53.740 some bring

00:33:54.400 some coats

00:33:54.940 in, please.

00:33:58.180 I mean,

00:33:59.200 I was

00:34:00.780 waving around

00:34:01.320 a newspaper

00:34:01.740 article is

00:34:03.340 not going

00:34:04.440 to cut it.

00:34:05.780 He says

00:34:06.480 this was

00:34:07.480 done by the

00:34:08.200 military and

00:34:09.040 given to

00:34:09.880 me.

00:34:10.560 These are

00:34:11.540 the papers.

00:34:13.460 It's highly

00:34:14.500 confidential.

00:34:15.160 This is secret

00:34:16.120 information in

00:34:16.900 the newspaper.

00:34:17.740 It's not

00:34:18.320 it's not

00:34:18.700 going to

00:34:18.920 work.

00:34:19.900 They got him.

00:34:21.020 They got him

00:34:21.460 on this

00:34:21.740 particular issue.

00:34:22.880 He should not

00:34:23.340 have given

00:34:23.560 that interview

00:34:24.000 to Brett

00:34:24.320 Baer in

00:34:24.740 that way.

00:34:25.440 What do

00:34:25.600 you what

00:34:25.880 do you

00:34:25.980 guys

00:34:26.120 think?

00:34:27.300 Oh, yeah.

00:34:28.480 I mean,

00:34:28.780 where do

00:34:29.080 you start?

00:34:31.300 The coax

00:34:32.140 was a nice

00:34:32.740 touch.

00:34:33.160 I guess he

00:34:33.660 was trying to

00:34:34.140 provide refreshment

00:34:35.020 for the

00:34:35.320 assembled.

00:34:37.640 No, look,

00:34:38.400 I'm not a

00:34:39.120 lawyer, but

00:34:41.040 it strikes me

00:34:41.840 that when you

00:34:43.100 have audio of

00:34:44.060 your client

00:34:44.560 talking,

00:34:45.160 about the

00:34:45.580 inadvisability

00:34:46.580 of sharing

00:34:47.480 the documents

00:34:48.380 that he is

00:34:48.880 sharing on

00:34:49.680 audio, that's

00:34:50.740 not a great

00:34:51.180 start.

00:34:52.000 Right.

00:34:53.140 The Brett

00:34:53.800 Baer thing

00:34:54.200 is a total

00:34:54.720 mystery to

00:34:55.240 me.

00:34:55.500 And Brett

00:34:55.760 did a great

00:34:56.220 interview, as

00:34:56.780 he always

00:34:57.120 does.

00:34:57.700 But I

00:34:59.300 can't imagine

00:34:59.960 anybody being

00:35:00.660 put in a

00:35:01.060 situation where

00:35:01.780 they have a

00:35:02.120 federal indictment

00:35:02.920 against them

00:35:03.400 and they're

00:35:03.640 just sort of

00:35:04.140 like winging

00:35:04.600 it on air.

00:35:06.140 I mean, you

00:35:06.800 just don't

00:35:07.160 talk about it.

00:35:08.300 He's risking

00:35:08.740 his freedom.

00:35:09.800 Why is he

00:35:10.220 doing that?

00:35:10.860 It was

00:35:11.100 absolutely

00:35:11.780 foolhardy to

00:35:13.380 speak of.

00:35:14.320 Even Trump

00:35:15.040 should be able

00:35:15.480 to say,

00:35:16.100 obviously, I

00:35:17.280 can't speak

00:35:18.020 about that

00:35:18.560 because these

00:35:19.180 guys are trying

00:35:19.640 to put me in

00:35:20.140 jail.

00:35:20.600 That would have

00:35:20.920 been a totally

00:35:21.380 acceptable answer

00:35:22.280 that did not

00:35:22.800 show any

00:35:23.880 weakness.

00:35:24.340 It would have

00:35:25.000 shown a rational

00:35:25.920 assessment of what

00:35:26.940 the risks are to

00:35:27.740 him in this

00:35:28.120 prosecution.

00:35:28.640 That was an

00:35:29.680 insane thing to

00:35:30.540 do, especially

00:35:31.420 given that there

00:35:32.580 does appear to

00:35:33.420 be a specific

00:35:34.220 document.

00:35:34.860 Now, they

00:35:35.020 haven't found

00:35:35.500 the document.

00:35:36.380 They haven't

00:35:36.700 found the

00:35:37.000 document.

00:35:37.320 It wasn't

00:35:37.540 found in those

00:35:38.000 Mar-a-Lago

00:35:38.440 boxes, but they

00:35:39.860 never searched

00:35:40.480 Bedminster.

00:35:41.500 And if you read

00:35:42.000 the indictment,

00:35:42.640 it says Trump

00:35:43.480 wound up taking

00:35:44.220 a bunch of

00:35:44.600 these documents

00:35:45.100 to Bedminster,

00:35:46.260 his golf club

00:35:47.340 up in New

00:35:48.140 Jersey, and

00:35:49.080 they decided

00:35:50.020 for whatever

00:35:50.540 reason, maybe

00:35:51.200 because of PR

00:35:52.000 and so on,

00:35:52.980 not to raid

00:35:53.780 Bedminster.

00:35:54.900 So honestly,

00:35:55.560 that document could

00:35:56.360 be sitting there

00:35:56.880 right now.

00:35:57.200 I have no

00:35:57.620 idea, but it

00:35:58.300 certainly sounds

00:35:58.860 like Trump had

00:35:59.440 it in his hand

00:35:59.980 that day and

00:36:01.100 understood, as

00:36:02.060 he said, it

00:36:02.820 was secret.

00:36:03.760 It was highly

00:36:04.400 confidential.

00:36:05.460 It had not been

00:36:06.040 declassified.

00:36:06.900 That's not even

00:36:07.320 the issue at this

00:36:08.040 point.

00:36:08.340 The classification

00:36:08.820 is just whether

00:36:09.520 it relates to

00:36:10.080 national defense.

00:36:11.980 And more

00:36:12.940 importantly,

00:36:14.420 specifically says

00:36:15.940 in here that

00:36:17.100 the military

00:36:18.500 gave it to him.

00:36:19.680 The military

00:36:20.120 did it and

00:36:20.740 gave it to him

00:36:21.520 and recognized

00:36:22.580 that it would

00:36:23.080 have been

00:36:23.300 inappropriate to

00:36:24.060 share unless it

00:36:24.900 was declassified,

00:36:25.720 which it wasn't.

00:36:27.200 Yeah.

00:36:28.240 Yeah.

00:36:28.680 I mean, look,

00:36:29.460 going back to

00:36:30.880 the preface of

00:36:32.200 your thoughts

00:36:33.420 on this charge

00:36:34.560 and the

00:36:34.840 advisability of

00:36:35.860 whether or not

00:36:36.400 they should have

00:36:36.960 prosecuted this

00:36:38.220 at all,

00:36:39.060 I have a little

00:36:39.820 bit of different

00:36:40.340 take than you,

00:36:40.980 Meg.

00:36:41.060 I think it's

00:36:42.220 possible to be

00:36:43.460 deeply concerned

00:36:44.440 about two systems

00:36:46.120 of justice here.

00:36:47.380 I think it's

00:36:47.820 possible to be

00:36:48.880 deeply concerned

00:36:50.220 about where

00:36:51.820 these leaks

00:36:52.420 are coming

00:36:52.980 in the course

00:36:53.820 of a prosecution

00:36:54.980 of one political

00:36:56.340 party versus

00:36:57.140 another political

00:36:58.200 party without

00:36:59.780 defending what

00:37:00.860 is a pretty

00:37:01.380 serious underlying

00:37:02.460 charge.

00:37:04.220 And I think

00:37:05.620 that these all

00:37:06.600 That's how I feel, too.

00:37:06.620 Where do we disagree?

00:37:08.520 Well, because I

00:37:10.020 think whether

00:37:11.480 or not you

00:37:12.560 bring a charge

00:37:13.820 against Trump,

00:37:14.720 I think you have

00:37:15.400 to, if you

00:37:16.120 believe this to be

00:37:16.960 true, and this

00:37:18.080 audio suggests

00:37:19.180 that it very well

00:37:20.020 could be, I think

00:37:21.440 the government has

00:37:22.320 no choice to

00:37:23.080 bring a charge.

00:37:23.740 I think they

00:37:24.100 should have brought

00:37:24.600 a charge against

00:37:25.280 Hillary Clinton

00:37:25.880 as well.

00:37:27.220 I think anybody

00:37:27.860 who has classified

00:37:29.260 documents.

00:37:29.480 But they didn't,

00:37:31.280 but Holmes, they

00:37:31.840 didn't bring a

00:37:32.560 charge against

00:37:32.980 Hillary Clinton.

00:37:33.580 And I realize

00:37:34.140 it's not Comey

00:37:35.520 still at the FBI.

00:37:36.540 It's a different

00:37:36.940 attorney general,

00:37:38.860 but it doesn't

00:37:40.420 matter.

00:37:41.020 Like, it's the

00:37:41.820 office's priors

00:37:43.440 that matter, not

00:37:44.500 yours specifically

00:37:45.820 as Merrick Garland.

00:37:47.660 Yeah, no,

00:37:48.280 but I think there

00:37:49.140 are two separate

00:37:49.880 tracks of what

00:37:50.660 you've got to do

00:37:51.320 here.

00:37:51.880 I think almost

00:37:52.560 every Republican

00:37:53.340 presidential candidate

00:37:54.520 has suggested that

00:37:55.920 amongst the first

00:37:57.100 things they do is

00:37:58.660 rework the whole

00:37:59.880 FBI, rework the

00:38:01.300 entire Department

00:38:02.140 of Justice to

00:38:03.260 make sure that we

00:38:03.900 actually have a

00:38:05.000 justice system again

00:38:06.080 and not one that

00:38:07.180 benefits the

00:38:08.040 political party,

00:38:09.400 one political party

00:38:10.800 in particular.

00:38:12.260 And then there's a

00:38:12.920 separate issue of

00:38:13.700 how you deal with

00:38:14.340 crimes.

00:38:15.160 I don't think that

00:38:16.660 you can excuse

00:38:17.820 criminal behavior

00:38:18.760 behavior for

00:38:19.740 anyone because

00:38:21.280 the other party

00:38:22.360 got away with

00:38:23.440 it.

00:38:24.060 I think that the

00:38:24.700 only answer to

00:38:25.520 this is that in

00:38:26.220 the vacuum that

00:38:27.140 that if that

00:38:28.100 vacuum and I look

00:38:29.100 as as a general

00:38:30.220 principle floating

00:38:30.920 around out there,

00:38:31.460 I agree with you,

00:38:32.160 you can't disassociate

00:38:34.720 that statement from

00:38:35.640 what happened with

00:38:36.740 Hillary, what's

00:38:37.520 happening right now

00:38:38.220 with Hunter that we

00:38:38.940 spent the first half

00:38:39.660 hour talking about.

00:38:40.360 You just can't you

00:38:41.680 you can't ignore

00:38:42.640 criminal behavior.

00:38:43.340 They're doing it

00:38:44.000 right now.

00:38:45.480 Yep, exactly.

00:38:46.620 But if you do

00:38:47.880 that, you

00:38:48.420 perpetuate the end

00:38:49.860 of this country

00:38:50.600 itself.

00:38:51.780 This is a country

00:38:52.760 that is a democracy

00:38:53.920 that relies

00:38:54.840 exclusively on the

00:38:56.200 trust of the

00:38:57.020 American people.

00:38:58.460 If half of this

00:38:59.160 country believes

00:39:00.180 that they are

00:39:01.280 never going to get

00:39:02.000 a fair shot simply

00:39:02.860 because of their

00:39:03.400 political affiliation,

00:39:05.100 one of two things

00:39:05.720 happens.

00:39:06.280 Either they all

00:39:06.920 become Democrats

00:39:07.700 or the country

00:39:09.080 erupts into

00:39:09.620 civil war.

00:39:10.520 You don't have

00:39:11.520 a choice when

00:39:12.820 you're operating in

00:39:13.620 a place like

00:39:14.280 America, but to

00:39:15.380 try to figure out

00:39:16.180 how to get back

00:39:16.960 to what our

00:39:17.460 founders intended

00:39:18.300 as a government

00:39:19.320 for the people

00:39:20.120 and by the people.

00:39:20.860 How do you start

00:39:21.560 with how I get

00:39:23.500 I get what you're

00:39:24.140 saying, totally

00:39:24.680 get what you're

00:39:25.100 saying.

00:39:25.520 And look, I I

00:39:26.860 wrestle with this

00:39:27.680 because I read

00:39:28.540 that indictment

00:39:29.080 and was shocked

00:39:29.880 and horrified if

00:39:30.680 it's true of the

00:39:31.460 way Trump behaved

00:39:32.680 in response to

00:39:33.520 this subpoena

00:39:34.020 in particular.

00:39:35.600 But how do you

00:39:37.140 start writing

00:39:39.000 that ship

00:39:39.820 with Donald

00:39:41.260 Trump, the

00:39:42.320 former president,

00:39:43.340 the likely GOP

00:39:44.360 nominee?

00:39:45.160 That's not the

00:39:45.760 one to start

00:39:46.200 with.

00:39:46.540 What what maybe

00:39:47.860 there was a way

00:39:48.480 where they could

00:39:48.960 have come out

00:39:49.320 and done to him

00:39:49.820 what they did

00:39:50.180 to Hillary Clinton.

00:39:51.080 The big I think

00:39:52.320 look at all the

00:39:52.900 terrible shit he

00:39:53.520 did, but we're

00:39:54.260 not going to

00:39:54.660 charge because

00:39:55.660 this office has

00:39:56.540 a prior history

00:39:57.340 with Hillary

00:39:57.840 Clinton.

00:39:58.420 It would divide

00:39:59.040 the nation.

00:39:59.680 But you have

00:40:00.340 the right to

00:40:00.760 know what

00:40:01.560 we found,

00:40:02.120 what he did.

00:40:03.040 All right.

00:40:03.560 Maybe that would

00:40:04.020 excuse the

00:40:04.560 Mar-a-Lago

00:40:05.000 raid.

00:40:05.620 But we stop

00:40:06.700 short of

00:40:07.100 criminally

00:40:07.680 charging the

00:40:08.460 former president

00:40:09.100 of the United

00:40:09.520 States.

00:40:09.960 Go ahead,

00:40:10.320 Duncan.

00:40:10.500 I think

00:40:11.800 the problem

00:40:12.240 for Donald

00:40:12.720 Trump, and I

00:40:13.580 think it's sort

00:40:13.960 of his Achilles

00:40:14.760 heel when he

00:40:15.440 steps on all

00:40:16.100 these rakes all

00:40:16.640 the time, is he

00:40:17.380 makes himself

00:40:18.200 intimately involved

00:40:19.320 in all of these

00:40:20.340 decisions, right?

00:40:21.840 And he always has

00:40:22.820 to take the

00:40:23.280 bait here.

00:40:24.720 This is a memoir

00:40:25.640 for Mark

00:40:26.380 Meadows, and he

00:40:27.660 has to correct

00:40:28.480 the record on

00:40:29.180 Millie in this

00:40:29.780 thing.

00:40:30.420 He has to do

00:40:31.220 it.

00:40:31.500 He has to pull

00:40:32.440 up the documents

00:40:33.080 and correct it.

00:40:33.620 He can't ever

00:40:34.120 take a pitch and

00:40:34.920 just be like,

00:40:35.740 well, I can't do

00:40:36.400 this.

00:40:36.620 I can't try to

00:40:37.100 correct the record.

00:40:37.760 He fights for

00:40:38.440 every inch, and

00:40:39.320 that's what always

00:40:40.080 gets him in

00:40:40.580 trouble, is it's

00:40:41.420 him, personally,

00:40:42.840 on tape, saying

00:40:43.900 the thing he

00:40:44.420 shouldn't do and

00:40:45.020 doing it.

00:40:45.920 And that,

00:40:46.460 unfortunately, is

00:40:47.640 his problem and

00:40:48.720 his legal

00:40:49.140 liabilities, his

00:40:49.900 ability to not

00:40:51.200 just shut up.

00:40:51.960 He can't.

00:40:52.600 So I think I

00:40:53.380 take it in the

00:40:54.300 opposite tack of

00:40:55.140 I think that's

00:40:55.720 actually a strength

00:40:56.760 for Trump in this

00:40:57.880 instance.

00:40:58.400 It's clearly not.

00:40:59.640 Here's why, is

00:41:01.040 because we know

00:41:01.880 he's doing it

00:41:02.640 because, like you

00:41:03.780 just said, it's

00:41:04.980 all about him.

00:41:05.940 It's a very, it's

00:41:06.760 an egotistical

00:41:07.420 move to be like,

00:41:08.160 oh, shit, look,

00:41:08.720 I've got classified

00:41:09.320 documents on my

00:41:09.940 desk.

00:41:11.120 Why would the

00:41:12.020 Biden family get

00:41:12.900 involved in this?

00:41:13.440 It's because of

00:41:14.060 money.

00:41:14.520 They're selling out

00:41:15.220 this country.

00:41:15.840 Why did Hillary get

00:41:16.980 involved in this?

00:41:17.780 Same thing.

00:41:18.120 She's power hungry

00:41:18.660 trying to make

00:41:19.160 money.

00:41:19.500 The same reason

00:41:19.940 that the Clinton

00:41:20.760 Foundation,

00:41:21.200 essentially raided

00:41:22.080 Haiti, according

00:41:22.900 to many people.

00:41:24.200 So I think that

00:41:25.340 is something that

00:41:26.160 needs to be

00:41:26.560 considered, especially

00:41:27.240 when there is a

00:41:28.060 very evident two

00:41:28.860 tiers of justice

00:41:29.560 in this country.

00:41:30.460 You cannot

00:41:31.180 unilaterally disarm,

00:41:32.620 especially not when

00:41:33.500 they're trying to

00:41:33.980 take down the

00:41:34.580 opposing party's

00:41:35.340 leading candidate.

00:41:36.720 Like now is not

00:41:37.240 the time to be

00:41:37.760 like pontificating

00:41:38.620 of, well, you

00:41:39.200 know, I don't

00:41:39.640 think the founding

00:41:40.160 fathers would have

00:41:40.740 liked this to

00:41:41.660 happen.

00:41:41.940 Sure, they

00:41:42.400 wouldn't have,

00:41:43.360 you know, but

00:41:43.640 when they got

00:41:44.120 pushed, what did

00:41:44.920 they do?

00:41:45.280 They fought back.

00:41:46.480 So we can't

00:41:47.000 allow only one

00:41:47.880 party to control

00:41:48.860 the justice system,

00:41:49.760 throw our hands

00:41:50.320 up and say, well,

00:41:51.100 we can't do that.

00:41:52.020 That'd be too mean.

00:41:52.780 They have no

00:41:53.440 qualms about it.

00:41:54.500 They have no

00:41:55.000 qualms about

00:41:55.480 exercising their

00:41:56.160 power whatsoever to

00:41:57.280 maintain this grip

00:41:58.100 that they have on

00:41:58.540 the country.

00:41:58.780 All I'm saying is if

00:41:59.860 Joe Biden was on

00:42:01.020 tape saying, here

00:42:02.540 are the documents

00:42:03.260 showing that I

00:42:04.200 did work with my

00:42:05.220 son, Hunter

00:42:05.740 Biden, and to

00:42:07.320 set up these

00:42:07.760 accounts and get

00:42:08.300 this money from

00:42:08.840 China.

00:42:09.280 And that was on

00:42:09.820 tape.

00:42:10.060 That would be

00:42:10.200 different.

00:42:11.240 We would say,

00:42:12.620 you know what?

00:42:13.280 What's different

00:42:13.900 about this, Duncan?

00:42:14.920 What's different

00:42:15.340 about this?

00:42:15.800 The reason why

00:42:16.760 this, in my view,

00:42:17.980 one of the many

00:42:18.680 should not have

00:42:19.280 been charged.

00:42:19.680 It's the exact same

00:42:20.560 crime as Hillary's.

00:42:21.680 It's the exact same.

00:42:23.300 If Joe Biden, if they

00:42:24.320 went after Joe Biden,

00:42:25.160 if they actually

00:42:25.560 investigated this

00:42:26.260 stuff we talked

00:42:26.740 about in half hour

00:42:27.520 one and found

00:42:28.720 that he did work

00:42:29.860 with Hunter to

00:42:30.800 cut a deal with

00:42:31.320 the Chinese and

00:42:32.080 influence peddled

00:42:32.940 in a way that was

00:42:33.440 inappropriate or

00:42:34.080 traded favors to

00:42:35.580 get that Ukrainian

00:42:36.220 prosecutor fired so

00:42:37.480 that his son could

00:42:38.080 stay on the

00:42:38.440 Burisma board while

00:42:40.060 he was the sitting

00:42:40.660 vice president.

00:42:41.260 That's a huge,

00:42:42.160 huge deal.

00:42:43.240 That is a crime.

00:42:44.780 It was something

00:42:45.620 that would have

00:42:46.020 gotten him impeached

00:42:46.740 as the sitting

00:42:47.320 vice president and

00:42:48.140 so on.

00:42:49.400 That's not this.

00:42:50.720 This is a much

00:42:51.340 lower situation.

00:42:52.800 We're talking about

00:42:53.440 document management.

00:42:54.860 You know, Hillary

00:42:55.280 had the homebrew

00:42:55.920 server.

00:42:56.520 She had the phone.

00:42:57.060 She had all the

00:42:57.580 stuff that she

00:42:58.000 shouldn't have

00:42:58.320 had and then

00:42:59.620 compounding her

00:43:00.620 mistakes to be

00:43:02.040 charitable, to use

00:43:02.620 that word.

00:43:03.320 She then blew off a

00:43:04.540 federal subpoena,

00:43:05.260 ignored it and

00:43:05.800 destroyed her phones

00:43:06.700 and documents and

00:43:07.340 responsive material.

00:43:09.260 That's what Trump

00:43:10.000 did.

00:43:10.580 Now, take apart the

00:43:12.020 issue that he could

00:43:12.620 have declassified because

00:43:13.600 the way this thing was

00:43:14.600 charged, it really

00:43:15.280 doesn't come down to

00:43:15.920 classified information.

00:43:17.100 They don't have to

00:43:17.520 prove that they're

00:43:18.680 saying you held

00:43:19.320 national security

00:43:20.340 information that you

00:43:21.560 had no right to.

00:43:22.940 Trump keeps trying to

00:43:24.020 deny that these were

00:43:25.720 classified.

00:43:26.700 He's fighting the old

00:43:27.680 fight.

00:43:28.040 He's fighting the fight

00:43:29.260 he thought he had

00:43:30.040 before he actually saw

00:43:30.900 the indictment.

00:43:31.520 He needs to update

00:43:32.220 his defense.

00:43:33.500 The charge against

00:43:34.960 him has to do with

00:43:35.800 him holding national

00:43:36.960 security information

00:43:37.880 that he wasn't

00:43:38.520 entitled to hold that

00:43:39.380 belongs to the United

00:43:40.060 States, not to him.

00:43:41.360 He doesn't get

00:43:42.400 possession.

00:43:42.940 He doesn't get

00:43:43.400 ownership of the

00:43:44.240 documents just because

00:43:45.040 he was president.

00:43:45.960 He continues to try to

00:43:46.920 say that he did.

00:43:47.960 He didn't.

00:43:48.960 There's no question

00:43:49.580 about that under the

00:43:50.180 law.

00:43:50.340 He didn't own the

00:43:51.160 documents just because

00:43:52.640 he was the president.

00:43:53.720 OK, so that's an

00:43:54.360 important thing to

00:43:54.920 remember.

00:43:55.580 But it's the same

00:43:57.100 thing, what he did

00:43:58.400 and what she did.

00:43:59.040 It's the same on each

00:44:00.580 front.

00:44:00.940 Right.

00:44:01.220 And they didn't

00:44:01.720 charge her.

00:44:03.160 Except for one

00:44:04.060 component there, Megan,

00:44:05.320 I think is right or

00:44:08.000 wrong.

00:44:08.340 And obviously we think

00:44:09.160 what Hillary Clinton

00:44:09.700 did was wrong in

00:44:10.740 creating this homebrew

00:44:11.660 server and everything.

00:44:13.440 She worked with her

00:44:14.420 lawyers who worked

00:44:15.280 with the Justice

00:44:15.780 Department on the

00:44:16.600 emails.

00:44:17.060 Of course, when they

00:44:17.940 deleted the 30,000

00:44:18.860 emails that said was

00:44:19.620 about yoga, a

00:44:20.340 appointments, I

00:44:21.460 don't agree with

00:44:22.060 that.

00:44:22.600 But she worked

00:44:23.180 through her lawyers.

00:44:24.140 Donald Trump, if you

00:44:24.880 read the if it is to

00:44:26.540 believe the obstruction

00:44:27.840 component of this

00:44:28.820 indictment, which is a

00:44:30.040 very specific talking

00:44:31.080 indictment, which goes

00:44:32.140 through the minute by

00:44:32.740 minute and hour by hour

00:44:33.880 in which Donald Trump

00:44:34.960 told his lawyers one

00:44:36.580 thing and then had this

00:44:37.880 not a guy doing another

00:44:39.160 thing and then signed

00:44:40.780 a paper saying, yes, I

00:44:42.220 have reviewed all the

00:44:42.960 documents.

00:44:44.100 But what you're really

00:44:44.920 saying, I'm saying he

00:44:45.940 undermined his own

00:44:46.780 argument.

00:44:46.980 She had corrupt lawyers

00:44:48.300 and he didn't.

00:44:49.780 No, she had corrupt

00:44:50.900 lawyers and he did.

00:44:51.720 Yes.

00:44:53.000 That doesn't make

00:44:53.700 Trump more guilty.

00:44:55.120 That doesn't know.

00:44:55.900 That's what I'm telling

00:44:56.760 you.

00:44:57.320 He's a good man.

00:44:59.120 He's innocent.

00:44:59.680 What I'm saying is legal

00:45:00.700 jeopardy aside.

00:45:01.580 The fundamental mistake

00:45:02.440 that he made is he got

00:45:03.580 himself intimately

00:45:04.600 involved in all of this

00:45:06.000 stuff with the lawyer

00:45:07.080 rather than just let the

00:45:08.440 lawyers do in lawyer

00:45:09.180 things.

00:45:09.580 Well, he tried to the

00:45:11.360 point you just made.

00:45:11.900 He did try to get his

00:45:13.020 lawyer to do the dirty

00:45:13.940 work.

00:45:14.200 And the lawyer is like,

00:45:15.060 holy shit, he's trying

00:45:16.360 to get me to break the

00:45:17.080 law and made a tape.

00:45:18.720 He went back to his

00:45:19.460 office and said, hello,

00:45:20.380 dictaphone.

00:45:21.300 Keep a record.

00:45:22.400 He's going to get me.

00:45:23.860 And in the end, you know,

00:45:25.100 the lawyer saved his own

00:45:26.240 skin, which most lawyers

00:45:27.280 would.

00:45:28.020 And that's why they were

00:45:28.500 able to pierce the

00:45:29.380 attorney-client privilege

00:45:30.260 because the judge said

00:45:31.700 that was Trump trying to

00:45:33.200 commit a crime.

00:45:34.520 And you can't cloak that

00:45:36.360 attorney-client privilege.

00:45:37.380 But, yeah, I mean, all

00:45:38.920 this brings me back to I

00:45:40.700 believe I believe that this

00:45:42.780 shows Trump did break the

00:45:43.920 law, that he had a

00:45:44.860 document he wasn't

00:45:45.560 entitled to have, and

00:45:46.320 that he should have

00:45:46.740 turned it over in

00:45:47.460 response to the

00:45:48.000 subpoena.

00:45:48.620 I'm not surprised by

00:45:49.760 that.

00:45:50.060 That's how this

00:45:50.540 indictment sounded.

00:45:51.880 Now, indictments

00:45:52.440 usually fall apart to

00:45:53.500 some extent before you

00:45:54.660 go to court, but the

00:45:56.480 federal indictments

00:45:57.240 don't usually fall apart

00:45:58.580 that much.

00:46:00.020 But it still doesn't.

00:46:01.760 It's almost a jury

00:46:02.500 nullification issue.

00:46:03.660 And it's like you can

00:46:04.340 call it prosecutorial

00:46:05.300 discretion.

00:46:06.000 You can call it jury

00:46:06.620 nullification, which I

00:46:07.480 believe will be

00:46:08.160 essentially Trump's

00:46:08.960 defense at trial to

00:46:09.780 try to nullify the

00:46:10.600 jury with just ubiquitous

00:46:12.220 press coverage saying

00:46:13.160 like Hillary, Hillary,

00:46:14.040 Hillary, and I didn't

00:46:14.960 and I had the right to

00:46:15.680 do it all.

00:46:16.660 But it doesn't make the

00:46:17.940 charging decision any

00:46:19.080 more just or right

00:46:21.320 that if I had been

00:46:23.520 Jack Smith and

00:46:24.280 stumbled upon this tape,

00:46:25.360 I would have let the

00:46:26.360 public know I would have

00:46:27.120 wrapped this thing up

00:46:27.860 saying I'm not going to

00:46:28.520 charge it.

00:46:28.960 I'm using my discretion

00:46:29.820 not to charge it, but

00:46:31.020 I'm going to tell you

00:46:31.580 what I found.

00:46:32.500 This is an electoral

00:46:33.340 issue.

00:46:33.860 Is Trump fit to hold

00:46:35.280 the office?

00:46:36.100 Is this a man you want

00:46:37.220 to re-entrust with the

00:46:38.380 federal secrets?

00:46:39.620 Same way we got to

00:46:40.580 side with Hillary, right?

00:46:42.540 And and the electorate

00:46:43.800 is answering right now.

00:46:45.140 We don't give a shit.

00:46:46.760 That's what the

00:46:47.340 Republicans are saying.

00:46:49.080 And that's fine.

00:46:50.100 They can say that, right?

00:46:51.220 They can say that.

00:46:51.880 But this the Democrats

00:46:53.740 and the DOJ are trying

00:46:55.680 to take it out of the

00:46:56.760 hands of the electorate

00:46:57.600 and put this guy in jail

00:46:59.580 where he will be unless

00:47:02.040 he can find a jury that

00:47:04.280 he can nullify, which is

00:47:05.380 possible down in Florida,

00:47:06.360 or he can get himself

00:47:08.360 or another Republican

00:47:09.080 elected who will pardon

00:47:09.980 him.

00:47:10.360 All right.

00:47:10.520 Let me pause it there.

00:47:11.740 There's more to discuss.

00:47:13.080 Love talking to you guys.

00:47:14.780 But we're going to squeeze

00:47:15.580 in a quick, quick break.

00:47:16.840 Don't forget, while you're

00:47:17.640 over at YouTube checking

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00:47:27.940 podcast as well wherever

00:47:29.340 you get your podcasts for

00:47:31.040 free.

00:47:31.420 What does it say about

00:47:35.500 the Republican Party that

00:47:36.560 the next guy down is Ron

00:47:37.880 DeSantis, who is running

00:47:39.700 the most openly fascist

00:47:41.440 campaign I think I've ever

00:47:43.000 seen.

00:47:43.400 And I'm saying that having

00:47:44.840 covered Donald Trump.

00:47:46.200 Their second choice is a guy

00:47:47.700 who is worse than Trump.

00:47:49.380 So it's a threat to what it

00:47:52.420 means really to be an

00:47:54.120 American.

00:47:54.620 And I think we have to

00:47:56.240 realize that and address it

00:47:58.120 accordingly.

00:47:59.860 Okay.

00:48:01.420 I used to have Stuart

00:48:02.140 Stevens on my show all the

00:48:03.100 time when I was hosting the

00:48:03.900 Kelly file.

00:48:04.520 He was like a normal

00:48:05.420 Republican.

00:48:06.520 He was a former Bush guy.

00:48:08.320 Now he fits in perfectly at

00:48:09.780 MSNBC.

00:48:10.880 You are back with the host

00:48:12.380 of Ruthless.

00:48:13.340 My guest today here on the

00:48:14.680 Megan Kelly show.

00:48:15.640 They are Josh Holmes,

00:48:16.980 comfortably smug, Michael

00:48:17.920 Duncan and John Ashbrook.

00:48:19.540 Find them now on YouTube

00:48:21.060 dot com slash Ruthless

00:48:22.700 podcast.

00:48:23.720 And later today, I'll be

00:48:25.140 excited to talk to you.

00:48:27.020 It's been a while.

00:48:27.720 So we're going to take

00:48:28.480 calls.

00:48:28.820 I'd love to hear from you

00:48:29.580 guys.

00:48:29.860 The number is eight

00:48:31.700 three, three, four, four.

00:48:32.660 M E G Y N eight, three,

00:48:34.040 three, four, four, six,

00:48:34.820 three, four, nine, six.

00:48:35.640 All right, guys.

00:48:36.320 So he's worse than Trump.

00:48:37.940 They covered Trump and they

00:48:38.960 know DeSantis is worse than

00:48:40.440 Trump.

00:48:40.860 This is about being an

00:48:42.280 American.

00:48:43.020 And I guess if you vote for

00:48:44.520 Ron DeSantis, you aren't one.

00:48:48.000 Yeah.

00:48:48.460 Well, if you vote Republican,

00:48:49.880 you're not one.

00:48:50.960 Yeah.

00:48:51.180 Which is actually, you know,

00:48:52.400 for Sue Stevens, something

00:48:54.260 that he's been able to

00:48:55.200 ensure as a Republican

00:48:56.200 consultant for quite some time,

00:48:57.780 that every Republican that he

00:48:59.700 has advised or supported in

00:49:01.840 the course of his tenure

00:49:02.740 basically comes up on the

00:49:03.900 short end of the stick.

00:49:04.660 So remarkable consistency in

00:49:06.920 that regard.

00:49:07.440 I might.

00:49:08.000 He's been very dedicated for

00:49:09.540 helping Republicans lose for a

00:49:10.820 long time.

00:49:11.620 It's a flawless record.

00:49:13.340 And, you know, what is just

00:49:14.380 fascinating to me is that if

00:49:16.040 once they meet Tim Scott, as

00:49:18.200 soon as he becomes the number

00:49:20.160 three, the number two, the

00:49:21.220 number one, he's even more

00:49:22.260 fascist.

00:49:23.020 Ron DeSantis.

00:49:24.280 Yep.

00:49:24.820 Yeah.

00:49:25.340 That's right.

00:49:26.220 And a white supremacist.

00:49:27.680 They'll they'll label him that

00:49:28.660 very soon.

00:49:30.000 That's what they did to Larry

00:49:31.040 Elder in California.

00:49:32.020 Yeah.

00:49:32.140 It's not a joke.

00:49:32.860 They'll do it.

00:49:33.380 A terrible publication.

00:49:35.480 Yeah.

00:49:35.940 Yeah.

00:49:36.380 All right.

00:49:36.800 So let's talk about the

00:49:37.540 numbers, though.

00:49:38.200 I'm just saying it because

00:49:39.200 all along, you know, people

00:49:40.840 it's like Bill Maher said that

00:49:42.400 people think DeSantis is

00:49:44.320 Trump without the baggage.

00:49:45.860 Sure.

00:49:46.660 That's that's not how he will

00:49:48.580 be.

00:49:48.820 If he becomes the nominee, they

00:49:49.920 will make him worse than

00:49:51.080 Trump, worse than Trump.

00:49:52.340 You heard it right there.

00:49:53.340 Don't kid yourselves, folks.

00:49:54.740 They'll never let DeSantis get

00:49:55.920 away with Trump without the

00:49:57.500 baggage.

00:49:57.880 The media will make him worse

00:49:58.980 than Trump.

00:50:00.940 He is worse than Trump when it

00:50:02.420 comes to the polls, the polls.

00:50:05.600 You know, you guys tell me

00:50:07.760 because my impression is I

00:50:09.520 don't remember whether we've

00:50:11.320 specifically discussed this or

00:50:12.480 not, but my my impression is

00:50:13.820 you guys like DeSantis and would

00:50:15.760 be happy if he were to become

00:50:17.540 the GOP nominee.

00:50:20.100 And yet the guy cannot get any

00:50:21.800 traction.

00:50:22.520 I mean, he just cannot get past

00:50:24.160 the gorilla.

00:50:25.300 He can't do it no matter what

00:50:27.300 poll it is, no matter where in

00:50:29.640 the race it is.

00:50:31.160 You know, there was a time

00:50:32.420 several months ago before any

00:50:34.400 indictments where it was like

00:50:35.980 getting a little better for him.

00:50:37.700 And then the indictment changed

00:50:39.240 everything in the favor of

00:50:40.940 Donald Trump.

00:50:41.640 Like the first indictment in New

00:50:43.020 York.

00:50:43.380 Never mind the latest one.

00:50:44.820 I'll just give you some of the

00:50:45.500 numbers.

00:50:45.720 Then you tell me what you

00:50:46.280 think.

00:50:47.080 Real Real Clear Politics

00:50:48.080 average shows Trump ahead of

00:50:49.820 DeSantis by an average of 31

00:50:52.000 points.

00:50:53.500 Oh, my God.

00:50:54.780 Thirty one.

00:50:55.780 Latest poll in the Real Clear

00:50:57.280 Politics average is from

00:50:58.240 Emerson.

00:50:59.220 Shows Trump above DeSantis by

00:51:00.780 thirty eight points

00:51:02.840 in Iowa, where DeSantis has

00:51:06.160 been putting all of his

00:51:06.880 efforts.

00:51:07.500 You know, I think he

00:51:08.300 realistically thinks if he

00:51:10.360 could win Iowa, he could get

00:51:11.420 some momentum going.

00:51:12.320 He could get some chatter about

00:51:13.740 himself as opposed to Trump in

00:51:15.340 the media.

00:51:16.740 Trump spent absolutely nothing

00:51:17.900 in Iowa.

00:51:18.820 DeSantis has got the whole

00:51:20.320 state covered in people and

00:51:22.420 resources.

00:51:23.860 Trump remains up 21 points over

00:51:26.300 DeSantis in New Hampshire.

00:51:28.080 Trump remains up 22 points over

00:51:30.260 DeSantis.

00:51:31.140 And then there was a recent poll

00:51:33.440 that just was released, I think,

00:51:34.840 today.

00:51:35.760 No, it was from Monday, released

00:51:37.520 from NBC showing Trump is up

00:51:41.560 twenty nine points over DeSantis.

00:51:43.340 DeSantis, that's nearly double

00:51:45.580 Trump's lead in the same poll

00:51:47.820 from just April.

00:51:50.200 He's the more he gets indicted,

00:51:51.760 the more his numbers go up.

00:51:54.000 So how do you handle that if

00:51:56.320 you're Ron DeSantis?

00:51:58.440 I mean, look, DeSantis is still

00:52:00.300 very much solidified in the number

00:52:01.820 two spot.

00:52:02.540 I mean, he's got a big gap between

00:52:04.120 him and the rest of the field.

00:52:06.160 I mean, typically what happens in

00:52:07.480 the summer going into primary

00:52:10.120 season is it's a pretty stagnant

00:52:12.440 time other than sort of one or two

00:52:15.120 moments or events.

00:52:16.680 You have a campaign kickoff, an

00:52:19.020 announcement.

00:52:20.040 Typically, candidates get some kind

00:52:21.640 of a bump out of that.

00:52:22.640 You saw like Chris Christie and Tim

00:52:24.700 Scott and others go from zero to

00:52:26.940 seven to eight.

00:52:27.800 Nikki Haley kind of had the same

00:52:29.680 thing following her announcement.

00:52:32.100 DeSantis didn't.

00:52:33.000 Right.

00:52:33.140 And we've covered the reasons why

00:52:34.720 he didn't have a bump out of that.

00:52:36.800 But I'm not surprised that he

00:52:39.240 hasn't moved the numbers when all

00:52:41.820 of the news is Donald Trump.

00:52:44.220 And Trump is basically consolidated

00:52:46.360 the protest vote at this point.

00:52:48.100 And he's got his base, which is

00:52:49.580 probably 30, 33 percent.

00:52:51.180 It's not going anywhere ever.

00:52:53.960 And then you've got the rest of this

00:52:56.020 sort of angst ridden conservative

00:52:57.880 electorate that sees him as a protest

00:53:00.160 against the Biden administration and

00:53:01.860 against two systems of justice,

00:53:03.160 against all of the things that are

00:53:04.860 concerning them about the way that

00:53:06.400 America is is running in the

00:53:08.280 direction that we're going.

00:53:10.520 What I would look at more

00:53:11.660 specifically as we get into the

00:53:13.000 fall, though, is the A, the debates.

00:53:14.940 Yeah.

00:53:15.480 Which I think is a big sort of

00:53:17.940 moment of truth for everybody on

00:53:20.300 stage to say, does this person

00:53:22.340 have the capacity to be on this big

00:53:24.760 stage and lead our country?

00:53:26.280 And you put them both on the same

00:53:27.740 playing field for the same time.

00:53:29.040 That goes for all the candidates.

00:53:30.120 And then second, when you get into

00:53:32.000 the retail politics of Iowa

00:53:33.780 itself and New Hampshire and

00:53:35.480 South Carolina after that, you're

00:53:37.980 making a more direct

00:53:39.920 case of why not that guy and go

00:53:42.320 with me.

00:53:42.900 At this point, the contrasts have

00:53:44.540 been sort of light.

00:53:45.460 Other than Chris Christie, there's

00:53:47.920 not a whole bunch of people that are

00:53:49.240 taking the knives out at this point.

00:53:50.660 It's more like an introductory tour.

00:53:52.560 You try to raise your name, ID,

00:53:54.340 introduce yourself to people.

00:53:55.780 That really is not conducive to big

00:53:57.720 movement in the polls.

00:53:58.800 What ultimately moves this stuff is

00:54:01.600 when you can change people's mind

00:54:03.020 about where they're at, because

00:54:04.080 let's be very clear.

00:54:05.340 DeSantis needs to take 20 percent

00:54:07.400 out of Trump's hide.

00:54:09.800 And that's it's not going to be

00:54:11.180 consolidating the rest of the

00:54:13.220 electorate.

00:54:13.600 I thought maybe that was a path for

00:54:14.980 him at one point in January or

00:54:17.040 February of this year where he could

00:54:18.480 consolidate a anti-Trump

00:54:20.360 electorate.

00:54:22.100 But that's not the path he's

00:54:23.140 chosen.

00:54:23.540 He's chosen to do the Trump

00:54:25.880 light or Trump without the baggage,

00:54:28.080 as you said, Megan, and that

00:54:30.380 requires taking those votes right

00:54:32.380 out of his column.

00:54:33.240 And he's got his work cut out for

00:54:34.480 him in Iowa.

00:54:35.500 We had a top advisor for the Trump

00:54:37.960 campaign on the show recently, and

00:54:39.980 he was walking through everything

00:54:41.340 that they're doing in Iowa.

00:54:42.500 They have hired so many people and

00:54:44.020 they're professionalized at a level

00:54:45.760 that Trump wasn't in 2016.

00:54:48.420 So they built up a defense precisely

00:54:50.540 against this DeSantis effort to try to

00:54:52.520 pull it out of Trump's hide in that

00:54:54.220 state.

00:54:54.500 And a couple of things.

00:54:55.540 First off, I want to say, I think I

00:54:58.320 speak for all of us in that we like

00:54:59.820 all the Republican candidates.

00:55:01.420 Joe Biden's been an absolute disaster

00:55:02.500 for this country.

00:55:03.200 So we are not like picking and

00:55:04.680 choosing who we want.

00:55:06.120 All of them are fantastic when you

00:55:07.760 compare them to Joe Biden.

00:55:09.480 Secondly, I think there is right now

00:55:11.460 such a long time until a single vote

00:55:16.580 is cast in any primary.

00:55:18.720 The Iowa Cox's are in March of 2024,

00:55:21.200 right?

00:55:23.020 Going back eight years, it's been

00:55:24.800 that long.

00:55:25.460 It was mid-June of 2015 when Donald

00:55:28.180 Trump first announced, right?

00:55:29.920 This time he announced way earlier.

00:55:32.040 Essentially, we have a far stretched

00:55:34.280 out primary season, right?

00:55:37.080 And like Holmes said, that you have

00:55:38.740 very stagnant movement during the

00:55:40.400 summer before any of the primaries

00:55:43.080 happened.

00:55:43.600 Like, this is a long time out.

00:55:44.780 At this point, Jeb Bush was ahead of

00:55:47.620 Donald Trump.

00:55:48.160 You never know what could happen,

00:55:49.840 especially given the climate where

00:55:51.100 Democrats are hell-bent on prosecuting

00:55:53.420 Republicans running for office.

00:55:55.100 So anything could essentially still

00:55:56.740 happen.

00:55:57.740 I would say that a great point that's

00:55:59.760 been made is I would advise DeSantis

00:56:02.100 to make the contrast a little bit

00:56:03.940 clearer of you can't offer people

00:56:06.600 I'm going to be kind of like Donald

00:56:08.880 Trump because, I mean, you know, why

00:56:10.280 would you go for, you know, Diet Coke?

00:56:13.240 We can get the real thing.

00:56:14.260 Well, he has to make the argument on

00:56:15.400 electability, right?

00:56:16.300 Because you look at that NBC poll that

00:56:18.220 you cited earlier, Megan, where he's

00:56:20.640 up, you know, by a huge margin in the

00:56:22.520 Republican primary.

00:56:23.660 In the general, Donald Trump is losing

00:56:25.380 to Biden by four points, and DeSantis

00:56:27.700 is tied with Biden in that same poll.

00:56:30.560 And so, you know, to the extent that

00:56:32.880 we've been critical of Donald Trump on

00:56:34.920 our show, I think it's you look at the

00:56:37.180 cross tabs on polls like that, and you

00:56:39.000 look at his fave-unfave with the general

00:56:41.500 electorate, and he's, you know, negative

00:56:43.480 21, right?

00:56:44.780 And so, like, what is Donald Trump going

00:56:46.000 to do different in 2024?

00:56:47.820 If he's the nominee, then he didn't.

00:56:49.180 He's going to get indicted two more

00:56:50.400 times.

00:56:51.400 Right, right, right.

00:56:53.460 So what are you going to do differently

00:56:55.100 to change the outcome?

00:56:57.440 And so if you're Ron DeSantis, you've got

00:56:58.980 to be sharpened the knives on

00:57:00.160 electability because you have to think

00:57:02.380 that there's enough people in the

00:57:04.040 Republican primary electorate who are

00:57:05.760 angst ridden, like you said, Holmes, who

00:57:07.420 want to win, right?

00:57:08.900 Because essentially every primary voter

00:57:10.260 has two levers in their hands.

00:57:11.700 I want a fighter and I want a winner.

00:57:13.220 How much do they want a fighter and

00:57:15.140 how much do they want somebody who's

00:57:16.240 going to win and how those things are

00:57:18.260 calibrated impacts how you're ultimately

00:57:20.020 going to vote in Iowa, which, like you

00:57:21.880 said, Smug, is still months and months

00:57:23.660 and months away.

00:57:24.680 So it's all hypothetical now.

00:57:26.160 But when you get into the caucus, you want

00:57:28.180 to win.

00:57:29.200 Can you explain March?

00:57:30.120 I mean, back in my day, Iowa used to be

00:57:31.700 January and I just asked my team, is it

00:57:33.600 like, when is it?

00:57:34.680 And they were like, it's someplace between

00:57:36.400 January and March.

00:57:37.600 Why?

00:57:37.800 How do they not have a date?

00:57:38.560 So the estimate is that it's going to be

00:57:41.300 in March this time.

00:57:42.440 And in the previous cycle, it was in

00:57:44.360 February.

00:57:45.160 So they keep pushing the date a little

00:57:47.060 bit.

00:57:47.520 And by announcing in November of last

00:57:50.340 year, Trump extended, you know, the

00:57:51.960 primary season just that much more.

00:57:53.780 Yeah.

00:57:54.260 That's so confusing.

00:57:55.420 OK, but that's good.

00:57:56.320 I mean, more time, I think, is good for,

00:57:57.840 you know, Ron DeSantis.

00:57:59.000 Right.

00:57:59.140 He needs he needs a runway to close

00:58:01.780 that gap.

00:58:03.020 And all the candidates.

00:58:04.240 I mean, and all of them.

00:58:05.440 Right.

00:58:05.600 I mean, yeah, the one thing that I

00:58:07.220 mean, realistically, is there another

00:58:09.260 candidate after Ron DeSantis?

00:58:10.960 I mean, with respect, I like all those

00:58:12.340 guys, too.

00:58:12.760 I mean, I could potentially vote for any

00:58:14.340 one of those guys like you guys.

00:58:16.260 But real is I mean, there's no

00:58:17.280 Christy Christy is not going in.

00:58:19.560 No, not happy.

00:58:20.800 I mean, again, I remember on that

00:58:22.620 Bill Maher show when they asked

00:58:26.260 Ann Coulter who she thinks is going to

00:58:28.160 win.

00:58:28.480 And she said Donald Trump and everyone

00:58:29.940 laughed at her.

00:58:31.700 Yeah, I think it is like it is the

00:58:34.320 wildest sport there ever is.

00:58:36.420 You can never know who's going to win

00:58:38.680 until voters hit those booths.

00:58:40.260 I mean, I think, again, his victory over

00:58:42.000 Hillary is another perfect example.

00:58:43.780 Strange things happen in those first

00:58:46.460 few contests.

00:58:48.320 I mean, just recall, Ted Cruz won the

00:58:50.060 Iowa caucus.

00:58:50.960 Right.

00:58:51.400 I mean, that's almost impossible to

00:58:53.420 remember.

00:58:53.980 But but that did happen.

00:58:56.640 But was there I mean, I'm trying to

00:58:58.320 remember whether there was an election

00:58:59.480 because I remember the Jeb Bush lead

00:59:01.620 and then you know what happened.

00:59:02.920 He sat down with me at Liberty

00:59:04.100 University and he said some

00:59:05.260 controversial things about Iraq and

00:59:06.580 his poll numbers went off the cliff

00:59:08.060 that I was doing like that, Megan.

00:59:12.320 It was like a foreseeable question I

00:59:14.100 was asking about Iraq, given that it

00:59:15.640 was anyway, I like Jeb Bush, but that

00:59:18.100 didn't go well for him.

00:59:19.260 And the things changed dramatically.

00:59:22.500 Was there another election in which

00:59:24.100 the frontrunner was up 38 points

00:59:27.300 and then fell off?

00:59:28.940 I mean, I was crushing Joe Biden.

00:59:32.360 I think he won Iowa and New Hampshire

00:59:33.880 and then they cut some secret deal in

00:59:35.820 South Carolina.

00:59:36.260 But he was just Bernie Sanders.

00:59:38.300 Well, Bernie was.

00:59:39.200 But Pete, I guess Pete also stole it.

00:59:41.140 But he won in Iowa and New Hampshire.

00:59:42.280 Joe, he was down fourth.

00:59:44.320 He wasn't up 40 points.

00:59:46.320 But no, but that contest was a lot more

00:59:49.000 concentrated and squished in terms of

00:59:51.020 the numbers.

00:59:51.660 The Democratic primary last time around

00:59:53.300 you're talking about than this.

00:59:54.800 I mean, I'm not making an argument for

00:59:56.420 Trump.

00:59:56.700 I'm just I'm genuinely curious as an

00:59:58.580 electoral watcher whether somebody's

01:00:00.660 ever in the number two spot or worse

01:00:03.440 overcome that kind of deficit.

01:00:06.240 I mean, this is a big one.

01:00:07.300 And the consolidation for Trump, I think,

01:00:09.000 is, you know, as a result of being a

01:00:11.220 former president, more much more

01:00:13.320 significant than you typically get in

01:00:16.100 an out of party, out of power party

01:00:19.020 in a primary.

01:00:20.220 So I mean, look, there's a bunch of

01:00:21.860 things that he's got going for him, for

01:00:23.760 sure. But it is not out of the realm

01:00:26.160 of possibilities that things happen on

01:00:27.900 the way to a victory here.

01:00:29.700 I mean, you look at somebody like

01:00:31.120 Howard Dean in 2004 that had a pretty

01:00:33.240 commanding lead.

01:00:34.540 John Kerry wasn't even really registering

01:00:36.260 at that point and got the Democratic

01:00:37.680 nomination.

01:00:38.860 There have been episodes over the years

01:00:41.080 where you've had somebody that you

01:00:42.780 didn't. I mean, look, Bill Clinton in

01:00:44.860 1992 was it was another one of those

01:00:47.680 situations where

01:00:49.160 it didn't look to me like he was putting

01:00:51.920 much together and then all of a sudden

01:00:53.280 went on to steamroll.

01:00:54.400 I'm not saying that that's not really

01:00:55.660 going to happen in here, but I it's

01:00:58.000 definitely not over.

01:00:58.900 Let's just put it that way.

01:01:00.140 Mm hmm.

01:01:01.400 Well, I it's I mean, like the whole

01:01:03.780 thing is.

01:01:05.900 Seeming to me like it's playing out

01:01:07.980 exactly the way the Democrats want.

01:01:10.800 Am I wrong?

01:01:12.080 They want I know that they'd love to

01:01:14.100 see Trump in jail.

01:01:14.980 They'd love that.

01:01:15.840 But I mean, it's funny.

01:01:17.680 They equally want him to be the

01:01:19.280 nominee because they think they can

01:01:20.280 be like those.

01:01:21.680 That's how I keep for them.

01:01:22.760 Yeah.

01:01:22.860 What do you say?

01:01:23.340 I said it's helpful.

01:01:25.860 They can guide the way things go when

01:01:27.400 you control the Justice Department

01:01:28.500 and the media.

01:01:29.160 Yes, that's pretty helpful.

01:01:31.260 True.

01:01:31.720 And higher education and higher

01:01:33.160 education corporations.

01:01:34.240 You guys are in this line of work for

01:01:35.960 a living.

01:01:36.340 Do you think this is playing out the

01:01:38.440 way they wanted and planned?

01:01:41.240 I think it is.

01:01:42.340 I mean, if you talk to consultants

01:01:44.180 and I talk to a few of them here and

01:01:45.940 there just to stay honest on what's

01:01:48.120 actually happening out there and

01:01:49.760 whether I'm, you know, lying to

01:01:51.400 myself about Republicans chances,

01:01:53.260 every single one of them say that

01:01:54.620 they have a very hard time turning

01:01:56.520 out their base with some sort of

01:01:58.760 key motivating factor.

01:02:00.340 It won in a couple cycles ago.

01:02:01.960 It was Obama.

01:02:02.780 Last cycle, it was Trump.

01:02:03.920 And they think that there is no chance

01:02:05.740 that they can turn out their

01:02:07.200 electorate for old man Joe Biden

01:02:09.400 unless they have something like

01:02:11.100 Donald Trump on the other side.

01:02:12.680 Yeah.

01:02:12.880 And honestly, that's why you hear

01:02:14.980 these Democrat talking points from

01:02:16.800 Stewart Stevens and MSNBC and all

01:02:18.740 the rest saying that, oh,

01:02:20.440 Ron DeSantis is worse than Donald

01:02:21.980 Trump because that that's their

01:02:23.560 only hope is that they can sell to

01:02:25.460 their base that this guy is

01:02:27.040 something worse if somehow Ron

01:02:28.460 DeSantis is able to overcome Trump

01:02:29.900 in the primary.

01:02:31.060 That's a good point.

01:02:32.200 I'll add to that.

01:02:34.340 There's a new CNN poll that was

01:02:37.040 just conducted in June saying

01:02:39.060 only thirty three percent of the

01:02:41.300 American electorate in the poll

01:02:43.140 has a favorable opinion of

01:02:45.320 Donald Trump.

01:02:46.320 Only thirty two percent have a

01:02:48.120 favorable opinion of Joe Biden.

01:02:51.280 CNN noting that usually most

01:02:53.600 Americans like at least one of the

01:02:55.160 candidates running for president.

01:02:57.280 They don't.

01:03:00.660 They don't like these two, the

01:03:02.100 front runner on the GOP side or the

01:03:03.600 actual sitting president at all.

01:03:05.040 So to your point, what would

01:03:07.380 motivate Joe Biden's

01:03:08.960 the Democrat electorate, never

01:03:11.260 mind writ large, all of us, they

01:03:12.960 can't stand him.

01:03:13.860 So how do you get them to go vote

01:03:14.960 for him?

01:03:16.580 No, they can't.

01:03:17.340 They know they can't.

01:03:18.300 And they know that that's their

01:03:19.280 that's their Achilles here is that

01:03:20.840 they have a candidate who's got one

01:03:22.200 foot in the grave and they're

01:03:23.100 already thinking about what sort of

01:03:24.240 flower arrangements they want to

01:03:25.480 then.

01:03:26.440 Yes.

01:03:26.920 Oh, and by the way, the only person

01:03:28.560 who makes Joe Biden and Donald

01:03:29.920 Trump look popular is Kamala Harris.

01:03:31.800 Her numbers are absolutely dreadful.

01:03:35.040 I don't have him in front of me, but

01:03:36.680 my God, she's the lead.

01:03:37.880 The stat was she's the least

01:03:39.880 liked vice president in

01:03:41.940 American history.

01:03:43.040 And may I remind you, we used to

01:03:45.200 have Dick Cheney, who was not

01:03:46.700 exactly beloved when he was in

01:03:48.520 office.

01:03:49.100 Her numbers are worse.

01:03:51.080 Yeah, Megan, she's 17 points

01:03:52.700 underwater and that's that's an

01:03:54.040 NBC poll.

01:03:55.140 So that's not exactly a Republican

01:03:56.580 pollster who's saying that she's

01:03:58.000 the most she's the most

01:03:59.560 unpopular ever.

01:04:00.720 She is awful.

01:04:01.620 And Democrats know that that makes

01:04:03.100 their case even worse.

01:04:04.420 Well, I mean, it also closes their

01:04:05.980 options.

01:04:06.440 Right.

01:04:06.960 I mean, they're looking they know the

01:04:08.480 same thing that we're looking at.

01:04:09.900 You saw that MSNBC or the NBC poll

01:04:11.960 where they had 68 percent of the

01:04:14.060 electorate, including 43 percent of

01:04:15.820 Democrats that say that Joe Biden's

01:04:17.460 unfit.

01:04:18.280 Not that they don't like him or he's

01:04:19.580 not doing a good job, but he's like

01:04:20.720 literally physically, mentally,

01:04:22.560 mentally unfit for office.

01:04:25.740 And you might ask yourself, like, how

01:04:27.180 how is that possible to overcome?

01:04:28.520 Well, I mean, as you've mentioned on

01:04:30.120 our show today, John Fetterman is a

01:04:32.560 pretty good example of how Democrats

01:04:33.920 consolidate around that.

01:04:35.520 Right.

01:04:35.740 Right.

01:04:36.040 I mean, they can vote as long as

01:04:37.720 you have a baseline pulse.

01:04:39.920 You can get to 51 percent.

01:04:42.380 But but it's also closed out their

01:04:43.780 options and that they have to go with

01:04:45.260 Joe Biden.

01:04:45.800 And so to Ashbrook's point, I mean,

01:04:47.840 there was a great piece in Axios the

01:04:49.420 other day that said, what's the plan

01:04:51.140 for 2024 for Joe Biden?

01:04:52.840 Well, same as 2020.

01:04:54.580 And they go on to outline how they're

01:04:56.540 going to talk about all the base

01:04:57.780 stuff that they did in the first

01:04:59.140 year of this presidency, which only

01:05:01.500 only appeals to a base

01:05:04.660 Democratic electorate.

01:05:05.740 It is deeply unpopular with

01:05:07.140 everybody else.

01:05:07.820 So it's trying to keep them on

01:05:09.100 board.

01:05:09.540 And then you just hide them in the

01:05:10.640 basement.

01:05:11.020 You come out with no new proposals.

01:05:12.600 They were contrasting that to like

01:05:14.240 all these Republicans were talking

01:05:15.480 about different things that they

01:05:17.040 would do to try to improve the

01:05:18.080 country.

01:05:18.500 And the Biden camp says, nope,

01:05:20.360 we're not going to do any of that

01:05:21.300 because we're not going to create

01:05:22.320 news.

01:05:22.640 We are banking on the other side

01:05:24.740 nominating Donald Trump.

01:05:25.860 And we can do the same thing in 24

01:05:27.840 that we did in 20, which is just

01:05:29.460 say, I'm not him.

01:05:30.560 I'm going to sit in my basement and

01:05:32.300 I'm going to be hooked to a

01:05:33.500 cardiograph for the next six

01:05:35.420 months.

01:05:35.760 And again, I think the Fetterman

01:05:36.700 point is great because that was

01:05:38.100 yet another instance of the only

01:05:39.540 animating factor that Democrats

01:05:41.300 could have is Donald Trump.

01:05:42.380 They said, this is Donald Trump's

01:05:43.440 guy we're running against.

01:05:44.700 Don't vote for Donald Trump's

01:05:45.840 guy.

01:05:46.520 So he is a huge motivator for

01:05:49.100 Dems to get out.

01:05:49.980 They used him in the midterms.

01:05:51.140 Anyone who could be associated with

01:05:52.480 Donald Trump ended up losing the

01:05:54.160 general.

01:05:54.380 Yeah, that's a fact.

01:05:55.960 Well, they clearly don't want fit on

01:05:57.380 the Democratic side, which somebody

01:05:58.700 should tell RFK Jr.

01:06:01.440 Because he's all over Twitter in the

01:06:05.220 last 24 hours.

01:06:06.140 I'm sure you guys saw this because he

01:06:08.180 put out a videotape of him shirtless.

01:06:11.560 And he's 70 years old.

01:06:13.480 Is he 69 or 70?

01:06:15.200 He's 69 years old doing pushups.

01:06:17.860 Here he is.

01:06:18.560 He wants you to know that this is the

01:06:19.860 last 10 of the many, many sets of 10

01:06:22.440 that he was doing, which is why he ran

01:06:23.700 out of gas in the last nine or 10.

01:06:26.000 I'm not seeing a full extension there

01:06:27.940 either.

01:06:28.360 I feel like that's a short pushup.

01:06:30.740 You got to.

01:06:31.380 I mean, the man is built like a truck.

01:06:33.480 Let's see it all the way up.

01:06:36.180 Well, we don't know how many sets of

01:06:37.680 10 he had done, but he put this out

01:06:40.220 and he the caption was getting in shape

01:06:42.120 for my debates with President Biden.

01:06:44.160 Of course, those are the debates that

01:06:45.300 are never going to happen because the

01:06:46.360 Dems won't allow it, even though 80% of

01:06:48.200 the Democrats say it should happen, but

01:06:50.200 the party leaders are in charge.

01:06:51.880 He says, as president, I will restore

01:06:54.900 America as the global example of health

01:06:56.840 and well-being, not through pills or

01:06:59.080 syringes, but through character and

01:07:00.840 self-discipline.

01:07:01.600 And I will continue to walk the walk and

01:07:03.060 lead by example.

01:07:04.780 The thread went on about physical

01:07:06.060 fitness and how to turn it around for

01:07:07.580 yourself.

01:07:08.560 And then you got all these people

01:07:11.760 on the Internet.

01:07:13.600 It's so funny.

01:07:14.640 People have time on their hands that

01:07:17.180 the guys from Ruthless do not have.

01:07:18.960 OK, they put together threads of

01:07:21.740 shirtless RFK Jr.

01:07:23.900 photos over the years to make the

01:07:27.280 argument that today's RFK Jr.

01:07:29.980 is clearly on steroids in their view

01:07:32.520 because you don't look better.

01:07:34.440 Look, there he is with JFK Jr.

01:07:37.000 and RFK Jr.

01:07:37.860 together that that you don't look

01:07:39.820 better with more muscles at 69 than

01:07:42.400 he did when you were 39 or 49.

01:07:45.240 What say you, my jurors?

01:07:47.400 I don't know.

01:07:48.180 I think Jack LaLanne would beg to

01:07:49.760 differ.

01:07:50.580 And apparently he's running for

01:07:52.080 president right now.

01:07:52.980 It's the perfect contrast to old man

01:07:54.680 Joe Biden.

01:07:55.560 And I mean, they must know it because

01:07:57.320 they're putting him out left and

01:07:58.840 right.

01:07:59.320 I honestly can't wait to see what

01:08:00.940 exercise this dude.

01:08:02.040 This dude's going to march around the

01:08:03.500 Iowa State Fair in a banana hammock

01:08:05.240 before this thing's over.

01:08:06.620 I mean, this is some of the most

01:08:09.280 this is like erotica.

01:08:11.000 It's bordering on complete

01:08:12.720 pornography.

01:08:14.320 I'd say the dude, I mean, dude

01:08:16.180 is shredded.

01:08:17.040 He was on incline putting up.

01:08:19.120 I think it was 110, but he said

01:08:20.220 it was like the last set of the

01:08:21.140 day.

01:08:21.480 He said he was putting up to 200,

01:08:23.200 200 plus earlier.

01:08:24.260 He's got the seven year old.

01:08:25.760 He's got the bulk.

01:08:26.480 Now he needs reps for toning.

01:08:28.100 I mean, that's what he's doing.

01:08:29.660 You know, I have to say, I do not

01:08:32.160 believe he would be so bold as to

01:08:33.980 say, I'm going to be an example of

01:08:36.100 health without syringes and

01:08:37.980 pills.

01:08:39.020 And then I don't I don't he I

01:08:40.540 don't he doesn't strike me as that

01:08:42.200 flagrantly dishonest a man.

01:08:44.080 I know people have the wrong

01:08:44.980 impression of him, but I don't think

01:08:46.860 he would have said that if he were

01:08:47.920 on steroids.

01:08:48.500 Not that there's anything wrong.

01:08:49.300 A lot of guys when they get older,

01:08:50.980 take testosterone, which I realize

01:08:52.540 is not exactly the same thing.

01:08:54.180 But or is it?

01:08:56.100 I don't know.

01:08:56.700 I don't totally understand.

01:08:57.860 Well, maybe maybe they should, you

01:08:59.220 know, if if Democrats are trying to

01:09:01.040 be transparent, maybe they should

01:09:02.340 allow Joe Biden's doctors to do a

01:09:04.420 full workup on RFK and allow RFK's

01:09:06.680 doctors to do a full workup on Joe

01:09:08.480 Biden.

01:09:08.920 That's a great idea.

01:09:10.140 Or just straight up meet him at

01:09:11.700 Venice Beach, go to Gold's Gym and

01:09:13.300 see who can run the Democrat Party.

01:09:16.700 I wrestle.

01:09:18.000 All right.

01:09:18.220 Wait.

01:09:18.400 So while we're talking about the

01:09:19.340 fashion and the banana hammock, I

01:09:20.800 got I got I got.

01:09:21.940 God, did you want to say something

01:09:22.780 Holmes?

01:09:24.920 No, I was just going to say, like,

01:09:26.040 I'm sorry that we couldn't provide

01:09:27.300 more insights on male

01:09:28.700 supplements for you.

01:09:29.760 And it's unfortunately not part of

01:09:31.420 our gig.

01:09:31.880 We'll look into it for the next

01:09:33.340 show.

01:09:33.800 Yeah.

01:09:34.280 But but I think you're going to

01:09:35.940 like this next segment because you

01:09:37.100 do have I know you have thoughts

01:09:38.520 on sexy man dress.

01:09:41.480 Oh, they don't know what the guy

01:09:45.240 who's stealing luggage.

01:09:46.860 No, I don't.

01:09:47.900 Is this a Biden guy who is

01:09:49.100 Sam Brinton?

01:09:50.340 No, different kind of sexy man

01:09:51.960 dress, sexy man dressing.

01:09:53.880 I'm afraid of what you are going to

01:09:55.420 do here.

01:09:56.040 I'm here.

01:09:56.880 You just watch and learn, sir.

01:09:58.860 The Wall Street Journal wants you

01:10:00.220 to know that if you think

01:10:02.020 dressing sexily is

01:10:03.940 only for women, you're wrong.

01:10:06.560 No one talks about it.

01:10:07.940 They write.

01:10:08.300 But men sometimes want to look

01:10:10.080 hot, too.

01:10:11.280 Here's how to turn heads without

01:10:12.500 looking sleazy on

01:10:14.180 date night.

01:10:15.360 Could you be dressing sexier?

01:10:17.660 Asks the article.

01:10:18.660 A guide for men.

01:10:21.100 OK, you may or may not

01:10:22.660 understand.

01:10:23.140 I mean, like, look at you.

01:10:23.840 You clearly do understand.

01:10:24.980 It's obvious to anyone.

01:10:26.620 OK.

01:10:26.840 Oh, that is very, very kind.

01:10:28.960 Thank you.

01:10:29.540 Would you like to stand up and show

01:10:30.700 us your well-fitting pants?

01:10:32.300 Well-fitting pants are key to your

01:10:33.700 outfit.

01:10:34.300 Do you have well-fitting pants on?

01:10:36.340 Yes.

01:10:40.940 He's got no-fitting pants on.

01:10:42.720 It's what he's got.

01:10:44.120 Do you have outfits with alluring

01:10:46.420 textures?

01:10:47.560 Think cashmere, suede, or even

01:10:49.600 eye-leaded cotton.

01:10:52.260 Do you have that on?

01:10:53.000 Oh, that strikes me as a

01:10:56.360 potential problem for many

01:10:57.820 reasons.

01:10:58.340 I don't know what kind of

01:10:59.220 cotton that is, but it seems

01:11:01.720 like maybe the thinner variety.

01:11:03.760 I'm not sure that doesn't break

01:11:05.300 several taste barriers.

01:11:06.580 Well, I'll tell you what.

01:11:07.520 Literally, I'm looking at three

01:11:09.040 men in...

01:11:09.800 Makes the girls go crazy on

01:11:11.240 date night.

01:11:12.240 I'm looking at three men in

01:11:13.380 sweatshirts, hoodies, and

01:11:15.360 there's smog in his signature

01:11:16.840 vest.

01:11:17.880 It's like flea's vest, so...

01:11:20.320 Okay, but listen, I can help

01:11:22.240 you, okay?

01:11:22.860 I can help you.

01:11:23.360 The Wall Street Journal has

01:11:24.160 done our work for us.

01:11:26.520 Here's a couple of don'ts,

01:11:27.860 all right?

01:11:28.680 Polos so shrunken, they

01:11:30.840 suffocate your biceps.

01:11:32.440 Not sexy.

01:11:33.400 Got it?

01:11:34.420 Saran-wrapped tight jeans with

01:11:36.100 a phone and a wallet bulging

01:11:37.540 from the pockets.

01:11:38.700 They say that's the most

01:11:40.280 powerful contraceptive known

01:11:42.480 to man.

01:11:43.360 I don't know.

01:11:43.840 Bulging wallet, that can be

01:11:45.380 attractive.

01:11:45.740 This whole thing with the

01:11:50.020 word bulge is just not the

01:11:51.800 direction I thought this was

01:11:53.100 going to happen.

01:11:55.600 Okay, look, if you want it,

01:11:57.760 maybe you want to go beginner

01:11:58.860 sexy, all right?

01:11:59.860 You guys might want to just try

01:12:00.920 beginner sexy.

01:12:01.740 Beginner sexy is buttonless

01:12:04.500 polo.

01:12:05.120 I had to look that up.

01:12:06.560 There's like a little polo

01:12:07.660 shirt you can get that looks

01:12:09.320 like any polo shirt, but

01:12:10.680 instead of having the buttons

01:12:11.700 on the little collar, it has

01:12:13.260 nothing.

01:12:13.980 It's just like a little V with

01:12:15.740 a tiny collar.

01:12:17.060 So that's you can wear these

01:12:18.180 yellow pants.

01:12:19.320 Right?

01:12:19.820 I look at those pants and that

01:12:21.020 shirt and I think you're ready

01:12:21.840 for the bingo haul.

01:12:24.620 All right.

01:12:26.080 So beginner sexy is out for

01:12:28.400 Duncan.

01:12:30.020 Intermediate sexy.

01:12:30.980 Honestly, you had a walker and

01:12:32.240 that looks like a Joe Biden

01:12:33.460 outfit.

01:12:34.820 How about intermediate sexy?

01:12:36.840 Look at this, guys.

01:12:38.080 Intermediate sexy is a T with

01:12:39.900 character.

01:12:40.360 If you can find a fun item

01:12:42.320 that resonates with you, you

01:12:44.300 are on your way to intermediate

01:12:45.700 sexy single button blazer with

01:12:48.700 sloped shoulders and dark

01:12:51.340 jeans.

01:12:51.840 Let's put it back on the board.

01:12:52.680 What do we think?

01:12:53.300 Dark jeans.

01:12:53.860 That's nice.

01:12:54.640 Could you do this?

01:12:56.220 No, you only wear denim if

01:12:57.160 you're gardening.

01:12:59.000 What?

01:13:01.860 You're either a farmer or you're

01:13:03.120 gardening.

01:13:05.740 In certain circumstances, what I

01:13:08.080 can tell you is if you're

01:13:09.360 looking for a shirt with

01:13:10.340 character, you can go to

01:13:11.260 store.ruthless.com and you

01:13:13.180 can figure out how to find one

01:13:14.520 there.

01:13:16.760 What's going on in this belt?

01:13:18.680 What?

01:13:18.860 There's like a is there a bell

01:13:20.100 on that belt?

01:13:20.880 Is it a is it like a I don't

01:13:23.040 know, it looks like like a

01:13:24.200 spike.

01:13:24.720 I don't know that that might be

01:13:25.480 a little aggressive right

01:13:26.300 around the male region.

01:13:28.000 Oh, that's I thought that was

01:13:29.280 a key chain.

01:13:30.780 No, that looks like the kind

01:13:31.980 of thing.

01:13:32.380 Remember, remember in the 90s

01:13:33.720 when they'd wear like the

01:13:34.580 spike belts with the chain

01:13:36.260 off it?

01:13:37.240 Yeah.

01:13:37.520 Yeah.

01:13:37.680 Yeah.

01:13:37.820 But you wouldn't rock those

01:13:38.800 jeans.

01:13:39.160 You'd have Jenko's.

01:13:40.040 Right.

01:13:40.300 And those would be baggy.

01:13:41.580 Yeah.

01:13:41.720 But look at them, dude.

01:13:42.560 They look super bad.

01:13:43.940 I mean, that is what I don't

01:13:45.320 appreciate.

01:13:46.060 And this is just a personal

01:13:47.100 pet peeve when it comes to the

01:13:48.720 graphic tees, like have it

01:13:50.000 mean something to you.

01:13:50.860 What the hell is Motorcycle

01:13:52.160 Club Inc?

01:13:53.260 Who the hell are you?

01:13:54.180 Yeah.

01:13:54.500 Yeah.

01:13:54.660 I mean, you need a Ruthless

01:13:55.600 T or a Megan or a Megan

01:13:56.920 T or maybe like look at

01:13:58.600 when I get some merch or

01:13:59.560 some of these days.

01:14:01.020 Now, I'm not going to show

01:14:02.440 you if you put if you put

01:14:03.640 that one on, she might

01:14:04.520 think, oh, he must drive a

01:14:05.700 motorcycle.

01:14:07.720 Now, I'm not going to show

01:14:09.780 you the ultimate sexy yet.

01:14:11.200 OK, just stand by because I

01:14:12.380 have to tell you story first.

01:14:13.640 This time last year, I was

01:14:15.300 here.

01:14:15.580 I'm at the Jersey Shore.

01:14:16.540 I do this show from the

01:14:17.740 Jersey Shore over the summer.

01:14:19.800 And I talked with the guys

01:14:22.320 from Fifth Column about my

01:14:24.180 husband's fashion.

01:14:25.300 Air France had lost all five

01:14:26.900 of our bags.

01:14:27.920 I was lamenting the loss of so

01:14:29.380 many clothing, items of

01:14:30.860 clothing that we loved.

01:14:31.660 But I said the only person

01:14:33.040 who was happy was Doug

01:14:33.980 because he literally only

01:14:36.160 wears one T-shirt and he

01:14:38.580 had it.

01:14:39.140 And it was his Mickey Mouse

01:14:40.940 shirt.

01:14:41.980 Doug loves his Mickey Mouse

01:14:43.280 shirt.

01:14:43.960 I think we have the sound

01:14:44.920 bite.

01:14:45.180 Do we have the sound

01:14:45.680 bite?

01:14:46.200 Yes.

01:14:46.880 I actually, while talking

01:14:48.440 about this, pulled Doug

01:14:49.940 into the studio and watch

01:14:51.240 what happened.

01:14:52.760 Oh, my God.

01:14:53.520 Can you look at this?

01:14:54.580 Look at him.

01:14:55.900 Oh, my God.

01:14:57.740 I was wearing a Mickey

01:14:58.900 Mouse T-shirt.

01:15:01.120 Wow.

01:15:01.660 He wears it all the time.

01:15:16.240 I mean, if it had legs, it

01:15:17.480 would get up and walk off

01:15:18.380 of him.

01:15:19.060 So we went to France this

01:15:20.520 year.

01:15:20.700 We took our vacation in

01:15:21.480 France and I posted a picture

01:15:24.580 of Doug.

01:15:25.080 There he is in the Mickey

01:15:26.340 Mouse T-shirt again, which

01:15:27.820 made its way.

01:15:28.360 It's gone all over the world.

01:15:29.300 But not Disney.

01:15:35.040 Does he have multiple

01:15:36.520 versions of this one shirt

01:15:37.840 or is it literally just one

01:15:39.200 shirt?

01:15:40.340 No.

01:15:40.740 That's awesome.

01:15:41.380 He literally wears that.

01:15:42.540 He's got an RC Cola shirt

01:15:44.220 that he wears as well.

01:15:45.800 That's it.

01:15:46.920 Guy likes what he likes.

01:15:48.780 This is a dude, Megan.

01:15:50.020 You got a great one here.

01:15:51.360 This guy, he's picked it out.

01:15:53.120 He's sticking with it.

01:15:54.120 Yeah.

01:15:54.380 It's work.

01:15:54.960 I mean, Hallie's married to

01:15:56.300 Megyn Kelly.

01:15:57.060 It's got to be working.

01:15:58.080 As long as it doesn't show up

01:16:01.320 at Disney in the Disney shirt

01:16:03.260 without your kids, because in

01:16:04.720 that case, charges.

01:16:06.380 Too much.

01:16:07.160 So I made fun of Doug's fashion

01:16:09.680 for many, many years.

01:16:11.260 All right.

01:16:11.540 Like when I first met Doug back

01:16:13.480 in 2006, it was a setup.

01:16:15.940 Right.

01:16:16.180 It was a blind date.

01:16:17.300 I show up.

01:16:18.480 You're having your first date.

01:16:19.500 Now, I wasn't well known at the

01:16:20.520 time, but I was on Fox News.

01:16:21.820 I was like a cub reporter.

01:16:24.300 So like he kind of knew who I was.

01:16:26.080 And I was like, maybe you try a

01:16:27.380 little, right?

01:16:27.980 Like you try a little.

01:16:28.920 It's a sexy girl from Fox News.

01:16:30.840 That's how I wanted to present

01:16:31.840 myself anyway.

01:16:33.060 He came to our blind date with

01:16:35.600 high-waisted khaki pants with

01:16:38.540 the flat front, high-waisted and

01:16:41.480 a yellow golf shirt, people.

01:16:44.180 Yellow.

01:16:45.440 I'm like, what?

01:16:46.920 Like a king.

01:16:47.440 What the fuck is this?

01:16:48.720 Like a king.

01:16:51.620 You're like, man, if he's got the

01:16:53.280 audacity to do that, he must be up

01:16:55.320 to something.

01:16:55.920 This guy sounds like confidence

01:16:57.420 plus.

01:16:58.200 And if he was working a pleat, then

01:17:00.180 you really know it's over the top.

01:17:01.900 Like if you have a nice pleat.

01:17:04.400 All I could think was that his

01:17:06.240 prior girlfriend had sabotaged

01:17:08.460 him so that he wouldn't be

01:17:10.080 available or interesting to any

01:17:11.960 other women.

01:17:12.880 And I was just getting the

01:17:14.140 remnants of that and that, you

01:17:15.300 know, diamond in the rough diamond

01:17:16.340 that we could work together on

01:17:17.640 it.

01:17:17.920 So I've made fun of Doug and his

01:17:19.280 fashion for years.

01:17:20.240 And that is what takes me, folks,

01:17:22.400 to black diamond sexy.

01:17:25.300 This is the top level, according

01:17:27.160 to the journal.

01:17:27.840 Oh, my God.

01:17:28.380 People.

01:17:28.760 There it is.

01:17:29.700 High-waisted pants and a yellow

01:17:32.080 golf shirt.

01:17:33.500 You knew.

01:17:35.660 The man's ahead of his time.

01:17:37.440 It's ahead of his time.

01:17:38.640 And he's with a beater in

01:17:41.300 there, too.

01:17:42.100 I mean, that I didn't see that

01:17:43.540 coming, but it's nice to know.

01:17:45.060 Is that an Apple watch?

01:17:46.560 What is that?

01:17:47.140 I mean, I don't know about the

01:17:48.000 candles, but other than that,

01:17:49.300 it seems like a good setup.

01:17:50.780 But what was that?

01:17:52.380 What was it?

01:17:52.900 Was that a jewelry or something?

01:17:54.440 Oh, no.

01:17:54.880 I don't know.

01:17:55.720 Was it a ring, Kelly McGuire?

01:17:57.860 Oh, if it's a pinky ring, then

01:18:00.660 we're really on to something.

01:18:01.960 I mean, that outfit looks like

01:18:03.240 you're ready to be an extra on

01:18:04.800 The Sopranos.

01:18:06.020 A pinky ring with mandals?

01:18:08.800 He didn't wear that.

01:18:10.120 This was the jersey consultants.

01:18:13.300 I can definitely see where this

01:18:15.320 was happening.

01:18:16.020 You're just missing a couple of

01:18:17.260 gold chains there.

01:18:18.360 And I think you've got the full

01:18:19.600 deal.

01:18:20.580 I called him over this morning,

01:18:22.680 guys, when I was reading my

01:18:23.820 packet and Kelly McGuire showed

01:18:25.100 me these pictures.

01:18:25.820 And I said, Doug, you've got to

01:18:27.300 look at it.

01:18:27.600 He goes, all along, he's like,

01:18:29.860 you've been mocking me and I've

01:18:31.380 been black diamond sexy.

01:18:33.020 You just didn't understand.

01:18:34.780 He's like, you're the saboteur.

01:18:36.580 You're the saboteur, not the

01:18:38.280 ex-girlfriend.

01:18:42.500 I love this story.

01:18:44.100 That's fantastic.

01:18:45.760 I thought you'd appreciate that.

01:18:47.320 So there you go.

01:18:48.160 If you decide to, you know, take

01:18:49.420 your ladies out for a nice

01:18:50.920 special dinner, you should consider

01:18:52.200 the mandals, the pinky ring and

01:18:54.180 the Doug Brunt.

01:18:54.880 I wish you pants in yellow.

01:18:57.220 You're welcome.

01:18:58.000 Thank you for that advice.

01:19:01.980 That's good.

01:19:03.540 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:19:04.400 Good.

01:19:04.560 That could be your first or your

01:19:05.900 next YouTube outfit.

01:19:07.440 You could consider that now that

01:19:09.060 you've gone visual.

01:19:11.200 You've got something here.

01:19:12.460 You've got something here.

01:19:13.620 Fellas, I think we can do that.

01:19:14.760 Yeah.

01:19:15.600 All the best, guys.

01:19:16.700 Great to see you.

01:19:17.980 Thank you, Megan.

01:19:18.640 Thanks so much.

01:19:21.740 Got a lot of great feedback on our

01:19:23.260 hot crime summer, which was what we

01:19:24.880 did the first week I was gone.

01:19:26.100 A bunch of shows we'd been working

01:19:27.540 on for you guys.

01:19:28.940 Meg writes in saying, I am grateful

01:19:30.680 for Crime Week.

01:19:31.560 As crazy as it is in terms of

01:19:33.380 murders, it's a reprieve from the

01:19:35.940 vitriol of politics.

01:19:37.400 I feel the same, Meg.

01:19:38.440 I love crime podcasts and I listen

01:19:40.700 to them all.

01:19:41.340 So it's it's my pleasure to bring

01:19:42.660 them to you.

01:19:43.660 MK style.

01:19:44.980 Stephanie writes in totally

01:19:46.140 enjoyed your crime week.

01:19:47.240 I'm not into crime stories on TV,

01:19:48.640 but listening to them on radio

01:19:50.300 captured my attention.

01:19:52.560 Thank you.

01:19:53.660 Jennifer writes in about turbulence

01:19:55.060 in response to our discussion

01:19:57.480 about the missing plane,

01:19:58.920 MH370, and our pilot turned

01:20:01.300 journalist who really made me

01:20:03.200 and a lot of our audience feel

01:20:04.260 better about turbulence.

01:20:05.600 He said he'd gone up like into

01:20:07.320 the eye of storms and hurricanes

01:20:08.920 for a living for a long time.

01:20:10.620 He said if you could see firsthand

01:20:13.060 like he has what planes can handle

01:20:15.400 the amount of turbulence and tumult,

01:20:18.140 you would feel so much better about

01:20:20.100 these minor bumps and whatever that

01:20:21.940 we feel when we're up there.

01:20:23.180 You'd never complain about

01:20:24.060 turbulence. He said it's ridiculous

01:20:25.460 to reroute planes because of

01:20:27.400 turbulence.

01:20:28.200 That's just like a comfort check

01:20:29.760 and people need to get tougher.

01:20:31.300 I felt so much better.

01:20:32.760 And so did Jennifer.

01:20:33.560 She writes in, I'm pretty terrified

01:20:34.740 to fly and sit in my seat,

01:20:36.040 white knuckled, asking why isn't

01:20:37.820 the captain saying anything

01:20:38.600 about turbulence?

01:20:39.740 Williams answers about turbulence

01:20:41.240 and why the pilot may not give

01:20:42.460 reassurance was helpful.

01:20:44.020 I have been told turbulence is like

01:20:45.320 a pothole on the road.

01:20:46.120 So I recite that over and over

01:20:47.260 while praying at the same time.

01:20:49.580 Some feedback on the HPV debate

01:20:52.660 we had, whether or not to give

01:20:53.620 that to your kids.

01:20:55.020 Jennifer says, thanks so much

01:20:56.080 for having that show.

01:20:57.000 I have two daughters who to date

01:20:58.280 have not been vaccinated for HPV

01:21:00.180 despite their pediatrician's advice.

01:21:02.340 It's really tricky.

01:21:03.660 And like you, I do not trust

01:21:05.060 the CDC anymore.

01:21:07.460 Last one here, preferred pronouns.

01:21:10.220 You remember my talking points memo

01:21:11.800 about a week before.

01:21:13.680 I was about a month ago now.

01:21:15.640 Renee writes in, this is why I'm

01:21:17.280 no longer going to use preferred

01:21:18.680 pronouns.

01:21:19.780 She writes in your opening monologue

01:21:21.240 from June 2nd has stayed with me.

01:21:23.320 And I just want to thank you

01:21:24.560 for what you're doing to arm

01:21:25.640 your listeners with strong

01:21:26.700 and concise arguments so we can

01:21:28.320 deploy and leverage them when

01:21:30.480 needed in this insane time.

01:21:32.620 That is a lovely compliment, Renee.

01:21:34.860 I appreciate that.

01:21:36.240 Ron also wrote in saying, I just

01:21:38.140 watched your show on pronouns.

01:21:39.240 You nailed it.

01:21:40.200 This BS toward women must stop.

01:21:41.820 It will only happen if everyone

01:21:42.900 stands up and says no more.

01:21:44.940 I'm so glad my daughter's a little

01:21:46.320 older.

01:21:47.100 I did not have to go through

01:21:48.420 this crap.

01:21:49.960 Unfortunately, we're all going

01:21:50.880 through it, Ron, but you're I

01:21:52.000 take your point.

01:21:52.660 The younger, the worse.

01:21:54.440 So, yeah, go ahead and take a

01:21:55.420 look.

01:21:55.540 It's on our YouTube timeline

01:21:57.200 that memo.

01:21:59.240 And it just sort of walks you

01:22:00.700 through why I'm no longer

01:22:02.140 going to do it and my own

01:22:03.560 evolution on this issue as a

01:22:05.040 journalist and a human.

01:22:07.060 Tomorrow, we have another great

01:22:08.580 show for you.

01:22:09.240 Rick Grinnell will be here.

01:22:11.060 Plus, we'll do Kelly's Court

01:22:13.100 with some of our stars, Mark

01:22:14.200 Garagos and Marsha Clark.

01:22:15.720 Such a great panel, cover all

01:22:17.660 the latest legal news, and

01:22:18.860 there's quite a bit.

01:22:19.900 So we'll see and talk to you

01:22:21.040 then.

01:22:25.300 Thanks for listening to The

01:22:26.420 Megan Kelly Show.

01:22:27.420 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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