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00:01:01.260 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.260 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:01:12.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.300 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:16.060 Breaking news now on Vice President Mike Pence.

00:01:19.560 Former Vice President Mike Pence,

00:01:21.480 who, guess what,

00:01:23.360 also just found classified documents at his residence.

00:01:27.080 They're coming out of their ears.

00:01:29.380 Very happy to have back on the show,

00:01:31.380 Amala Eka, let me say it, let me get it right,

00:01:34.220 Epanobi.

00:01:34.900 Thank you, Amala Epanobi.

00:01:36.500 You got it.

00:01:36.980 Back with us, host of Unapologetic Live,

00:01:39.360 and we are welcoming Federalist writer,

00:01:41.520 Evita Duffy Alfonso,

00:01:42.600 to the show for her very first appearance.

00:01:45.440 Great to have you both here.

00:01:47.180 Thank you.

00:01:47.760 Thanks for having us.

00:01:48.180 Oh my gosh.

00:01:49.820 You can't stop it.

00:01:51.340 Honestly, like,

00:01:52.560 there's more classified documents floating around

00:01:54.400 with these former presidents and vice presidents

00:01:56.080 than I drop F-bombs on this show.

00:01:58.140 And that's saying something.

00:01:59.560 Okay?

00:01:59.760 So Mike Pence decided,

00:02:02.780 out of an abundance of caution,

00:02:04.460 to go back and check his documents,

00:02:06.580 given everything that's going on.

00:02:09.260 And lo and behold,

00:02:10.520 they found some, quote,

00:02:12.460 small number,

00:02:13.560 I don't know exactly how many that is,

00:02:15.940 of documents bearing classified markings

00:02:18.600 in his Carmel, Indiana home

00:02:21.220 from his time as vice president.

00:02:23.880 This, despite the fact that in November,

00:02:27.920 he went on a press tour

00:02:29.040 and said to the Associated Press,

00:02:31.420 to ABC, the following.

00:02:34.900 Did you take any classified documents

00:02:36.320 with you from the White House?

00:02:38.680 I did not.

00:02:42.480 Do you see any reason for anyone

00:02:44.460 to take classified documents with them

00:02:46.600 leaving the White House?

00:02:48.280 Well, there'd be no reason

00:02:49.360 to have classified documents,

00:02:51.300 particularly if they were

00:02:53.100 in an unprotected area.

00:02:55.620 No, there wouldn't.

00:02:57.240 But like Trump said,

00:02:59.420 everyone has done it.

00:03:01.900 Right?

00:03:02.420 It's amazing, Amla,

00:03:03.200 where you see, like,

00:03:04.600 the truth coming out now

00:03:05.860 and all these holier-than-thou.

00:03:07.280 I would never.

00:03:08.160 It's disgusting how irresponsible.

00:03:10.460 I'm not saying it's exactly the same.

00:03:11.940 I'm just saying Trump's basic point

00:03:13.340 that he is not the only one

00:03:14.860 to have this stuff on his property

00:03:16.180 has been proven.

00:03:18.380 Right.

00:03:18.860 I'm thinking,

00:03:19.340 is this just something

00:03:20.020 that we have not been checking

00:03:21.360 on a regular basis?

00:03:22.680 Yes.

00:03:23.120 For classified documents

00:03:24.160 in these people's houses?

00:03:25.100 Yes.

00:03:25.200 And now everybody's

00:03:26.420 just a culprit here.

00:03:27.760 And, you know,

00:03:28.440 Pence really should have checked,

00:03:29.780 you know,

00:03:30.180 his properties

00:03:30.940 before he went on

00:03:32.180 and made that statement.

00:03:33.040 It was a bad move on his part.

00:03:34.940 That's exactly right.

00:03:36.000 So he,

00:03:36.920 why would you go out there,

00:03:38.260 Evita, right?

00:03:38.760 And be so,

00:03:39.820 so bold in your pronouncement

00:03:41.160 that,

00:03:41.500 no,

00:03:41.880 I didn't bring any.

00:03:42.860 And like the somber tone

00:03:44.080 of like,

00:03:44.480 and it's,

00:03:44.900 you know,

00:03:45.600 no,

00:03:46.280 why would you?

00:03:48.620 Everyone,

00:03:49.380 including Pence,

00:03:50.000 who we think

00:03:50.440 is going to challenge

00:03:51.080 Trump for the presidency

00:03:52.120 for the nomination

00:03:52.860 of the GOP.

00:03:54.740 You know,

00:03:55.260 they're out there

00:03:55.780 tisking,

00:03:57.140 like it's just not done.

00:03:59.080 And now we find out

00:04:00.240 it's done

00:04:01.000 by almost everyone.

00:04:03.760 Yeah.

00:04:03.960 I mean,

00:04:04.180 it's so,

00:04:04.720 it's so hypocritical

00:04:05.560 and especially

00:04:05.960 because Mike Pence said

00:04:07.000 after the Trump raid

00:04:08.680 that he didn't have

00:04:09.560 any classified documents.

00:04:10.520 He went on the record

00:04:11.180 and told all these media outlets

00:04:12.800 that he's,

00:04:13.220 he's not,

00:04:13.900 he's not guilty of that.

00:04:14.980 Trump might be,

00:04:15.660 but not me.

00:04:16.780 And,

00:04:17.220 and we have to also think

00:04:18.060 why,

00:04:18.640 why now?

00:04:19.260 Why,

00:04:19.480 why come forward,

00:04:20.400 you know,

00:04:20.660 admitting that you,

00:04:21.540 you have had these classified,

00:04:23.420 you had these classified documents

00:04:24.400 in your home.

00:04:25.720 I don't know about you guys,

00:04:26.780 but I,

00:04:27.180 my theory is that

00:04:28.060 this is all about

00:04:28.780 a presidential run

00:04:29.580 and that he's afraid

00:04:30.840 it's going to come out.

00:04:31.840 Maybe there was an investigation

00:04:32.680 that he became aware of

00:04:33.580 and that it was going to come out

00:04:34.640 later on

00:04:35.320 and maybe in a primary

00:04:36.520 or in a general election.

00:04:37.480 So he's trying to get ahead of it.

00:04:38.640 Either way though,

00:04:39.160 it's just,

00:04:39.720 it's so hypocritical

00:04:40.640 and,

00:04:40.920 and,

00:04:41.140 and very ridiculous,

00:04:42.920 the whole thing.

00:04:43.400 you know,

00:04:44.060 I've been saying

00:04:44.460 for a couple of weeks now,

00:04:45.460 let's,

00:04:46.520 let's do this.

00:04:47.220 Let's go to Bill Clinton.

00:04:48.560 Let's go to George W. Bush.

00:04:50.260 Let's go to Jimmy Carter.

00:04:51.860 Let's do it.

00:04:52.640 Let's have them all.

00:04:53.580 Right.

00:04:53.760 If you don't think

00:04:54.400 Bill Clinton

00:04:54.960 has got classified documents

00:04:56.680 in his home,

00:04:57.620 you're crazy.

00:04:58.360 He,

00:04:58.860 100%,

00:04:59.400 we just,

00:04:59.960 we don't,

00:05:00.500 we didn't have a nosy

00:05:01.480 national archivist

00:05:02.740 tapping on all the shoulders

00:05:04.780 of those people

00:05:05.520 the way we did with Trump.

00:05:06.740 And now,

00:05:08.040 the latest,

00:05:08.460 so Biden doesn't know

00:05:09.280 where to land on this.

00:05:10.620 You know,

00:05:10.780 he,

00:05:10.920 he realizes,

00:05:11.700 I think,

00:05:11.960 that he's ruined

00:05:12.540 any chance of prosecution

00:05:13.560 against Trump.

00:05:14.420 But now he's got to worry

00:05:15.620 about whether this is going

00:05:16.500 to be a huge political

00:05:17.400 problem for him.

00:05:18.480 So he comes out

00:05:19.280 with the,

00:05:20.060 no regrets,

00:05:20.860 no regrets.

00:05:21.480 I'm good.

00:05:22.160 I'm definitely not Trump.

00:05:23.380 I'm proper.

00:05:24.300 I did everything right.

00:05:25.420 And now,

00:05:26.360 and then like,

00:05:27.040 out comes another tranche

00:05:27.960 of documents

00:05:28.500 after he said that.

00:05:29.700 So now,

00:05:30.840 they've got a new spokesperson

00:05:32.700 going over to the White House

00:05:34.160 who's going to speak,

00:05:36.400 I guess,

00:05:36.740 more than Kareem Jean-Pierre

00:05:37.880 is going to on this.

00:05:39.480 And this is the new messaging,

00:05:42.140 okay,

00:05:42.400 from the Biden team

00:05:43.800 on,

00:05:44.300 on really what's going on here.

00:05:46.420 Number one,

00:05:46.860 it's the fault of the media.

00:05:48.280 And number two,

00:05:49.580 just in case you weren't aware,

00:05:50.920 they did everything properly.

00:05:52.240 Listen.

00:05:53.920 Well,

00:05:54.280 I think that there's some of this

00:05:55.300 that in every presidency,

00:05:56.640 you know,

00:05:56.880 there are many people out there

00:05:59.160 in the media

00:05:59.980 who sort of try to stir up

00:06:01.460 controversy

00:06:02.380 to get attention

00:06:03.200 or,

00:06:03.800 or time on camera.

00:06:06.280 The underlying issue

00:06:07.180 that we're talking about here

00:06:08.120 is that

00:06:08.600 as soon as the president's

00:06:10.140 personal team

00:06:10.940 noticed something,

00:06:12.500 they immediately

00:06:13.620 and promptly

00:06:14.520 and transparently

00:06:15.460 disclosed that

00:06:16.200 to the proper authorities.

00:06:18.520 Okay.

00:06:19.240 So a couple of things there.

00:06:20.360 It's not the media's fault.

00:06:21.700 It's not.

00:06:22.560 It's his guy's fault.

00:06:23.560 But secondly,

00:06:24.440 as soon as his personal

00:06:26.700 lawyers,

00:06:27.400 as soon as his personal

00:06:28.840 lawyers found it,

00:06:29.560 why are his personal lawyers

00:06:30.460 allowed to look for

00:06:31.140 classified documents?

00:06:32.020 They didn't have

00:06:32.420 a security clearance.

00:06:33.620 They notified

00:06:34.380 the proper authorities.

00:06:35.260 We know now

00:06:35.960 from reporting

00:06:37.060 that's been in the press

00:06:37.900 as well as Andy McCarthy's

00:06:39.420 review over at National Review,

00:06:41.380 he didn't notify

00:06:42.460 the proper authorities.

00:06:43.800 What they did,

00:06:44.380 the personal lawyers,

00:06:45.200 they called the White House.

00:06:47.000 They called the White House.

00:06:48.660 They did not call justice.

00:06:50.480 And then the White House

00:06:52.300 let the National Archives know.

00:06:54.300 Again,

00:06:54.680 they did not call justice.

00:06:56.700 The National Archives

00:06:57.660 did not call justice.

00:06:59.000 It was the inspector general

00:07:00.720 at the National Archives

00:07:02.200 who said,

00:07:03.140 holy shit,

00:07:03.740 we better call justice.

00:07:04.960 Like,

00:07:05.140 we don't want to get

00:07:05.980 pulled into this nonsense.

00:07:07.560 And finally,

00:07:08.240 that guy called justice

00:07:09.900 and justice started

00:07:11.220 looking at it

00:07:11.820 and it was buried

00:07:12.380 for several months

00:07:13.040 before the press

00:07:13.640 got wind of it

00:07:14.180 and CBS broke the story

00:07:15.240 just now.

00:07:15.820 So I love

00:07:16.840 the revisionist history.

00:07:19.260 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:20.280 I mean,

00:07:20.560 we all know

00:07:21.060 that they're fans

00:07:21.640 of revisionist history

00:07:22.560 over there.

00:07:23.060 What they're trying to do

00:07:23.980 is run cover.

00:07:24.840 They wanted to see

00:07:25.480 who was going to be

00:07:26.120 implicated in this first.

00:07:28.060 They wanted to see

00:07:28.720 how it was going to affect them.

00:07:30.100 And that's why

00:07:30.520 they make this call

00:07:31.140 to the White House

00:07:31.780 before anybody

00:07:32.500 in the justice system

00:07:33.660 hears what's going on.

00:07:35.160 It's very much

00:07:35.860 like what children do.

00:07:37.180 You know,

00:07:37.400 I stole the cookie

00:07:38.240 from the cookie jar.

00:07:39.400 Let me ask my brother

00:07:40.200 how I'm going to get

00:07:40.920 in trouble for this

00:07:41.640 and then we'll go tell mom

00:07:42.880 that we went and did this.

00:07:44.000 It's exactly what's happening here.

00:07:45.800 And I have a feeling

00:07:46.540 Mike Pence is going

00:07:47.820 to probably have

00:07:49.120 a very similar tune.

00:07:50.640 Yes,

00:07:50.900 I had these classified documents.

00:07:52.500 I stole the cookie

00:07:53.180 from the cookie jar,

00:07:54.180 but I let mom know

00:07:55.340 as soon as I realized

00:07:56.420 that was the case.

00:07:58.020 He comes out of it

00:07:59.620 and basically says,

00:08:00.520 oh,

00:08:01.160 you know,

00:08:01.760 reporters always want

00:08:02.580 their moment on camera.

00:08:04.240 This is not that.

00:08:05.380 The reason there have been

00:08:06.700 a couple of spicy exchanges

00:08:08.420 at the White House

00:08:09.580 press office

00:08:10.660 this past week

00:08:11.600 is because

00:08:12.360 Corrine Jean-Pierre

00:08:13.200 keeps coming out

00:08:13.860 and lying to them.

00:08:14.940 She keeps coming out

00:08:15.660 and giving them

00:08:16.200 misinformation

00:08:17.080 to be charitable to her.

00:08:19.080 We found everything.

00:08:19.980 We're sure.

00:08:20.940 The team has acknowledged.

00:08:22.020 They've told me.

00:08:22.620 They've assured me.

00:08:23.560 They found everything.

00:08:24.380 Another tranche.

00:08:25.200 No,

00:08:25.360 this time it's real.

00:08:26.280 Another tranche.

00:08:27.600 She tried being indignant.

00:08:29.220 Another tranche.

00:08:29.920 Whatever.

00:08:30.520 And the reporters,

00:08:31.700 even from the mainstream press,

00:08:32.940 are starting to get irritated

00:08:34.140 at the dishonesty.

00:08:36.120 This isn't the,

00:08:36.780 this particular issue

00:08:37.740 is not the fault of the media.

00:08:40.280 Yeah,

00:08:40.740 they have this whole narrative

00:08:42.140 that everything they've done

00:08:43.000 has been so clean,

00:08:44.240 so perfect.

00:08:45.400 Nothing like Trump.

00:08:46.760 But,

00:08:47.280 I mean,

00:08:48.000 if we're just looking

00:08:48.620 at the facts

00:08:49.820 of both situations,

00:08:51.320 Trump and then Pence and Biden,

00:08:52.860 there's a difference

00:08:53.820 in their positions,

00:08:54.720 right?

00:08:55.420 Trump was the president

00:08:56.280 and Joe Biden

00:08:57.520 and Mike Pence

00:08:59.220 were vice presidents

00:09:00.000 and this is where

00:09:00.540 these classified documents

00:09:01.260 came from.

00:09:01.640 They did not have

00:09:02.320 the ability

00:09:03.160 to declassify

00:09:04.320 any of this,

00:09:05.320 right?

00:09:05.520 I mean,

00:09:05.660 that's where we have

00:09:06.160 to start from.

00:09:06.820 And Trump did have

00:09:08.800 that right.

00:09:09.320 So I think that

00:09:10.320 we're even going

00:09:11.120 to think about

00:09:14.120 this idea

00:09:14.640 that this is a clean

00:09:16.000 in any way possible,

00:09:17.020 I think,

00:09:17.860 is just so dishonest

00:09:19.560 from the White House.

00:09:21.200 Well,

00:09:21.780 that one's not

00:09:22.240 the media's fault,

00:09:23.040 but this one in part

00:09:24.200 is the coverage

00:09:25.220 of these mass shooting

00:09:27.100 events that we've seen

00:09:28.520 over the past couple

00:09:29.140 of days in California.

00:09:30.700 So not one,

00:09:31.580 but two mass shootings

00:09:32.640 in the course of

00:09:33.440 36 to 48 hours

00:09:34.760 in California.

00:09:35.500 The first one

00:09:36.940 happened out

00:09:37.900 near Monterey.

00:09:39.820 A gunman killed

00:09:40.680 11 people

00:09:41.440 and shot several more.

00:09:43.480 It was at

00:09:44.500 a Lunar New Year's

00:09:46.580 celebration,

00:09:47.320 which is an important

00:09:48.140 holiday for many

00:09:48.840 Asian American communities.

00:09:50.620 And almost immediately

00:09:52.440 you had some

00:09:53.820 in the media

00:09:54.280 and leftist politicians

00:09:56.380 run with

00:09:57.740 bigotry,

00:09:59.520 hate.

00:10:00.140 This is a hate crime

00:10:01.200 because of who was killed.

00:10:03.060 But that inquiry

00:10:04.880 requires more facts

00:10:07.040 before you can settle

00:10:08.980 on bigotry.

00:10:10.760 And by the way,

00:10:11.260 then there was a second one

00:10:12.480 just yesterday

00:10:13.660 with seven killed

00:10:15.080 in Northern California

00:10:18.340 as a 67-year-old man

00:10:20.180 came and killed

00:10:21.740 seven people.

00:10:22.900 It looks like a workplace

00:10:23.540 violence mass murder

00:10:25.180 at several farms

00:10:27.100 in a local,

00:10:27.900 like around the area.

00:10:29.020 And he was said

00:10:29.620 to be a farm worker.

00:10:30.740 He worked at one

00:10:31.280 of those facilities.

00:10:31.960 So here's what

00:10:33.640 you get, okay?

00:10:35.020 In the buildup,

00:10:36.000 okay,

00:10:36.240 before we knew

00:10:37.040 much more

00:10:37.620 than it was

00:10:38.380 a 72-year-old,

00:10:39.380 before we even knew

00:10:40.020 it was a 72-year-old guy

00:10:41.740 who did the first one.

00:10:42.880 Asian man.

00:10:43.820 Both shooters,

00:10:44.960 Asian men

00:10:45.480 shooting other

00:10:46.980 Asian workers.

00:10:48.480 We get this

00:10:49.080 from Chuck Schumer.

00:10:50.480 We must stand up

00:10:51.800 to bigotry

00:10:52.780 and hate.

00:10:53.700 That's what he tweeted out.

00:10:54.720 Monterey.

00:10:55.360 It's Asian on Asian crime.

00:10:57.080 Okay?

00:10:57.520 Then we get Adam Schiff.

00:10:58.800 I mean,

00:10:58.920 these are not small names

00:10:59.860 in the Democratic Party.

00:11:02.280 Bigotry is a possible

00:11:03.700 motive here.

00:11:04.840 Okay?

00:11:05.680 What?

00:11:06.400 Why are you even mentioning?

00:11:07.440 You don't know.

00:11:08.120 How do you know that?

00:11:08.980 You know nothing yet.

00:11:10.060 Say nothing.

00:11:11.060 Wisconsin State Representative

00:11:12.420 Francesca Hong,

00:11:14.880 we are broken

00:11:15.980 as a nation

00:11:16.880 to have white supremacy

00:11:18.620 reign terror.

00:11:20.540 White supremacy?

00:11:21.920 Right?

00:11:22.440 So no one here,

00:11:23.780 as far as I know,

00:11:24.760 Amala,

00:11:25.120 has gone back

00:11:25.760 to correct the record

00:11:26.960 now that we know

00:11:28.160 that this is not

00:11:28.940 a hate crime

00:11:29.680 as it's defined

00:11:30.980 under the law.

00:11:31.900 This wasn't about

00:11:32.820 white supremacy.

00:11:34.480 Both of these

00:11:34.920 were about something

00:11:35.540 very different.

00:11:37.080 Right.

00:11:37.580 And I'll go out

00:11:38.180 on a strong limb here

00:11:39.100 and say that they never

00:11:39.860 will go out

00:11:40.480 and correct the record.

00:11:41.460 They're never going

00:11:41.900 to come and say,

00:11:42.560 you know what,

00:11:42.960 we were wrong

00:11:43.480 about our initial

00:11:44.120 statements on this shooting.

00:11:45.400 And this is what

00:11:46.000 they do every time

00:11:47.200 with every single

00:11:48.220 breaking news story

00:11:49.100 that they have.

00:11:49.780 They run with the narrative

00:11:50.760 of bigotry,

00:11:51.640 of white supremacy,

00:11:52.740 because that's the lens

00:11:54.060 through which they look

00:11:54.820 at the world.

00:11:55.460 Everything is an act

00:11:56.380 of racism.

00:11:57.100 Everything is an act

00:11:57.960 of bigotry,

00:11:58.760 even if you have

00:11:59.400 no facts and no evidence

00:12:00.960 to back up the claim

00:12:02.000 that you're making.

00:12:02.820 Because if you run

00:12:03.700 with that initial narrative,

00:12:05.020 that is what people soak in.

00:12:06.680 People aren't checking

00:12:07.360 back into the news

00:12:08.260 to find out

00:12:08.940 what is the identity

00:12:09.960 of this actual shooter.

00:12:12.220 Why is he of retirement age?

00:12:13.660 Why are both of these men

00:12:14.840 of retirement age,

00:12:15.740 which is something

00:12:16.200 that is not typical

00:12:17.040 of these mass shootings

00:12:18.420 that we experience

00:12:19.580 here in the United States?

00:12:21.140 Nobody's ever going

00:12:21.780 to go back and check.

00:12:22.800 They heard white supremacy.

00:12:24.040 That's what sticks.

00:12:24.960 And that's what the media

00:12:25.620 relies on.

00:12:26.920 And now we have Evita.

00:12:29.040 Now that we know

00:12:29.980 that both of these men

00:12:31.380 were of Asian descent,

00:12:34.000 here's how it reads now

00:12:35.120 in the Associated Press.

00:12:37.600 A 67-year-old man.

00:12:39.700 Nothing about his race.

00:12:41.000 Suddenly,

00:12:41.340 we don't mention the race.

00:12:42.620 Okay?

00:12:43.100 New York Times.

00:12:43.980 A 72-year-old man

00:12:45.240 and a 67-year-old man

00:12:47.340 committed these murders.

00:12:48.780 Suddenly,

00:12:49.460 the race gets totally ignored

00:12:51.320 because it doesn't support

00:12:52.920 the narrative,

00:12:53.460 you see.

00:12:54.000 So now,

00:12:54.920 we're just not going

00:12:55.620 to mention it.

00:12:56.080 We're just going

00:12:56.340 to let people question

00:12:57.240 and just go with

00:12:58.260 the old tweets they saw

00:12:59.240 from Chuck Schumer

00:12:59.940 and Adam Schiff.

00:13:01.860 Yeah.

00:13:02.200 I mean,

00:13:02.420 what's interesting about this,

00:13:03.720 one of these shootings

00:13:04.600 was in Oakland, California,

00:13:05.560 which has some

00:13:06.460 of the strictest gun laws

00:13:07.980 in the country,

00:13:08.940 similar to Chicago,

00:13:09.800 where I was for four years.

00:13:10.800 Lots of shootings,

00:13:11.660 lots of killings,

00:13:12.340 lots of violence.

00:13:12.980 And they always are

00:13:15.020 talking about equity.

00:13:15.960 That's why they want

00:13:17.380 to frame these shootings

00:13:19.620 around race

00:13:20.320 before they even know

00:13:21.060 that that's the reason

00:13:21.940 behind the shooting.

00:13:24.040 And yet,

00:13:24.440 the people that are being hurt

00:13:25.540 the most by the way

00:13:27.300 that these equitable,

00:13:29.420 race-conscious politicians

00:13:30.920 are running these cities,

00:13:32.400 running these states,

00:13:33.680 is minorities, right?

00:13:35.720 I mean,

00:13:35.960 if we're really going

00:13:36.640 to have a conversation

00:13:37.280 about minorities

00:13:38.180 and things being unjust,

00:13:40.220 let's talk about

00:13:41.380 how many minorities

00:13:43.180 live in communities

00:13:44.220 that have excessively

00:13:45.020 strict gun laws,

00:13:45.980 cannot defend themselves,

00:13:47.500 and are completely

00:13:49.380 at the victim

00:13:50.080 of these lawless neighborhoods.

00:13:51.800 You know what?

00:13:52.720 It's so true

00:13:53.600 because the,

00:13:54.920 literally,

00:13:55.960 Gavin Newsom,

00:13:56.700 the governor of California,

00:13:57.960 said,

00:13:59.020 we have the strictest

00:14:00.740 gun laws in the country,

00:14:03.020 here in California.

00:14:03.980 You cannot get any tougher

00:14:05.480 on the gun restrictions

00:14:06.860 than California.

00:14:08.220 I looked up

00:14:08.600 just a couple of them.

00:14:10.800 Mandatory waiting periods,

00:14:12.220 background checks,

00:14:13.320 military-style weapons are banned,

00:14:16.420 red flag laws,

00:14:17.860 new laws targeting gun dealers,

00:14:20.320 restricting the types of guns

00:14:21.620 that can be sold,

00:14:22.680 short barrel shotguns banned,

00:14:24.220 rifles banned

00:14:24.860 of certain types,

00:14:26.840 ghost guns banned,

00:14:28.120 and so on.

00:14:28.720 So,

00:14:29.700 what we always get,

00:14:31.260 always,

00:14:31.820 in the wake of these,

00:14:32.720 is we got to get the guns.

00:14:34.540 Right now,

00:14:35.320 there's a renewed push

00:14:36.180 by President Biden

00:14:37.200 for let's bring back

00:14:38.720 the assault weapons ban.

00:14:40.120 It's like,

00:14:41.340 we couldn't have

00:14:42.760 any more gun laws

00:14:44.220 on the books in California

00:14:45.400 because we do have

00:14:46.200 a Second Amendment.

00:14:46.880 So you really couldn't

00:14:48.000 constitutionally have

00:14:48.860 more gun laws

00:14:49.380 on the books in California.

00:14:50.240 The criminals don't abide

00:14:51.260 by the gun laws.

00:14:52.280 You can put as many

00:14:53.220 on there as you want.

00:14:54.560 They don't abide

00:14:55.240 by the gun laws, Amala.

00:14:57.120 Right.

00:14:57.660 They're pushing this.

00:14:58.720 And I live here

00:14:59.500 in Los Angeles,

00:15:00.120 so I'm experiencing

00:15:01.560 the woes

00:15:03.440 of their progressive policy

00:15:05.140 every single day.

00:15:06.220 I work really closely

00:15:07.120 with police officers

00:15:08.060 in South Central,

00:15:09.000 which is one of the most

00:15:09.620 dangerous areas

00:15:10.520 here in Los Angeles.

00:15:12.080 And they are talking

00:15:13.140 about how emboldened

00:15:14.260 these people feel

00:15:15.140 to commit crimes

00:15:16.240 because of the policies

00:15:17.260 that are being put in place.

00:15:18.840 Not only are we punishing

00:15:20.060 law-abiding citizens

00:15:21.160 and taking away their rights

00:15:22.600 to protect themselves,

00:15:23.900 but we are then

00:15:24.520 looking to criminals

00:15:25.340 and saying,

00:15:25.880 you know what,

00:15:26.560 here's a policy

00:15:27.180 that's going to make

00:15:27.820 your life easier.

00:15:28.660 Where right now,

00:15:29.380 you might be committing crimes

00:15:30.880 and being placed in jail.

00:15:32.180 Now we're not even

00:15:32.740 going to arrest you anymore.

00:15:33.700 It's decriminalized to shoplift.

00:15:35.120 We have smash and grabs

00:15:36.000 happening all over the place.

00:15:37.580 Gangs have been emboldened

00:15:38.640 to continue with their activity

00:15:39.820 and become far more aggressive

00:15:41.660 and far more violent.

00:15:43.040 And all because people

00:15:44.200 like Gavin Newsom

00:15:45.140 and our local legislators

00:15:46.860 are allowing this to happen.

00:15:48.780 It's much like the streets

00:15:49.940 of Chicago,

00:15:51.500 where gun violence

00:15:52.680 is happening on a daily basis

00:15:54.140 and nobody cares.

00:15:56.000 And minorities

00:15:56.740 and people of color

00:15:57.680 are going to be the ones

00:15:58.900 most affected by this.

00:16:00.920 You're in L.A.

00:16:01.640 Evita was in Chicago

00:16:02.840 at the University of Chicago

00:16:03.680 for four years.

00:16:04.400 I'm just outside

00:16:04.960 of New York City.

00:16:05.780 All three of these cities

00:16:06.620 have seen massive crime spikes.

00:16:09.320 And what's interesting is,

00:16:10.960 so by the way,

00:16:11.880 this guy,

00:16:12.300 I want to learn more,

00:16:13.040 but the 72-year-old shooter,

00:16:14.480 he had been arrested

00:16:15.960 for having an illegal firearm

00:16:17.480 not long ago.

00:16:18.420 So what happened there?

00:16:19.700 I mean,

00:16:20.200 what we've seen

00:16:21.020 so many of these cases

00:16:21.920 is some soft-on

00:16:23.000 crime prosecutor,

00:16:24.340 if there is an arrest,

00:16:25.520 does nothing about it.

00:16:26.580 So it's like,

00:16:27.060 okay,

00:16:27.620 well,

00:16:28.400 great to have all those laws

00:16:29.320 on the books.

00:16:29.760 Are you actually

00:16:30.220 going to enforce them?

00:16:31.120 Because why was this guy,

00:16:32.640 why do you still have

00:16:33.200 all these firearms?

00:16:34.500 What was done to him

00:16:35.180 in the criminal justice system?

00:16:36.140 Let's find out.

00:16:37.040 Let's probe that.

00:16:38.240 But Chicago

00:16:39.080 is in a very interesting

00:16:41.180 position right now,

00:16:42.120 Evita.

00:16:43.760 Lori Lightfoot

00:16:44.560 looks like she's going to lose.

00:16:46.320 It's incredible.

00:16:47.820 She was elected

00:16:48.400 as mayor in 2019.

00:16:49.720 Anything could happen,

00:16:50.840 but right now

00:16:51.220 she's polling in fourth place

00:16:52.600 for this upcoming mayoral race.

00:16:54.540 Now,

00:16:54.660 it's one of those things

00:16:55.240 where if you don't get

00:16:55.700 over 50%,

00:16:56.360 then they have a runoff

00:16:57.340 a couple of months later.

00:16:58.080 And,

00:16:58.660 you know,

00:16:58.780 those can wind up,

00:16:59.640 you can wind up winning

00:17:00.420 even if you are in fourth place

00:17:01.700 into the first vote.

00:17:03.760 But she's struggling.

00:17:05.220 And there are,

00:17:06.120 like,

00:17:06.320 the guy who's at the top

00:17:07.500 who's like secretly

00:17:08.740 more right-leaning

00:17:09.700 has got like double digits

00:17:11.760 what she has

00:17:12.580 in this race.

00:17:13.360 And what they're saying

00:17:15.120 is in large part

00:17:16.200 it is because of

00:17:16.940 the soaring crime

00:17:17.880 in that city.

00:17:19.320 2021 was a record year

00:17:21.140 for murders.

00:17:22.180 In Chicago,

00:17:23.120 they had 800,

00:17:24.540 800 Chicagoans

00:17:25.760 murdered.

00:17:26.780 In that year alone,

00:17:27.860 it's gone down.

00:17:28.740 In 2022,

00:17:29.500 it had no place to go

00:17:30.260 but down.

00:17:31.300 But what do you make

00:17:32.040 of what's happening

00:17:32.580 in Chicago

00:17:33.000 with the rising crime

00:17:34.120 and the potential fall

00:17:35.660 of Lori Lightfoot?

00:17:36.860 I wish that

00:17:39.600 Lori Lightfoot

00:17:40.840 would fall.

00:17:41.860 I have to tell you,

00:17:43.100 Megan,

00:17:43.400 it's,

00:17:44.340 the Chicago machine

00:17:45.560 is real.

00:17:46.260 And at the end

00:17:47.040 of every election,

00:17:47.860 somehow,

00:17:48.560 whoever is totally wrong

00:17:50.460 for the city

00:17:50.900 ends up winning

00:17:51.600 because there's a lot

00:17:52.980 of corruption.

00:17:54.020 But I will say

00:17:55.060 from my reporting

00:17:55.840 and being in Chicago

00:17:56.960 actually talking to people,

00:17:58.440 they have really turned on her.

00:18:00.100 Will that be reflected

00:18:01.000 in the election results?

00:18:02.300 I'm not sure.

00:18:02.840 But they are extremely concerned

00:18:05.240 about the crime

00:18:06.360 in the city.

00:18:06.860 Not just the people

00:18:08.040 who are in the traditionally

00:18:09.320 dangerous neighborhoods.

00:18:10.240 People on the north side

00:18:11.180 are extremely concerned

00:18:12.400 about the crime.

00:18:13.360 I talked to a police officer

00:18:14.380 who said,

00:18:14.940 our force is bleeding

00:18:16.420 because of Lori Lightfoot.

00:18:18.180 Lori Lightfoot

00:18:18.740 doesn't have their back

00:18:20.360 during BLM.

00:18:21.300 She left them all out to dry.

00:18:22.800 There's a perception of that.

00:18:24.240 Mind you,

00:18:24.860 this is a black officer

00:18:26.300 that I was talking to

00:18:27.120 telling me this.

00:18:27.960 He also said that

00:18:28.600 during the vaccine mandates,

00:18:30.520 she said,

00:18:31.940 you know,

00:18:32.140 if you don't get the vaccine,

00:18:33.620 you're off the force.

00:18:34.440 Many of them had to leave.

00:18:35.440 There is

00:18:35.840 constant violence,

00:18:37.220 constant crime.

00:18:38.560 People are having to,

00:18:39.820 because they can't defend themselves,

00:18:41.020 walking around with knives

00:18:42.160 to defend themselves,

00:18:43.420 particularly,

00:18:44.100 like we talked about before,

00:18:45.300 people in black

00:18:46.260 and Hispanic communities.

00:18:47.860 I know you went out

00:18:48.760 and did some

00:18:49.120 man-on-the-street interviews

00:18:50.260 on crime there.

00:18:51.220 I think we've got a little bit

00:18:52.060 of that queued up

00:18:52.680 so the audience can see it.

00:18:53.840 It's not six.

00:18:55.680 Lori Lightfoot

00:18:56.300 has said recently

00:18:57.040 that since she's taken office,

00:18:59.120 the city's a lot safer.

00:19:00.120 Do you agree with that?

00:19:01.400 No.

00:19:02.200 Tell me why.

00:19:05.280 It's been going,

00:19:06.380 a lot going on

00:19:07.300 in this area,

00:19:08.480 especially since

00:19:09.860 Lori Lightfoot

00:19:11.280 has been in here.

00:19:12.680 So it's like,

00:19:14.080 it's not safer.

00:19:16.300 She didn't do nothing.

00:19:17.900 Me living in this community

00:19:19.060 is not safe.

00:19:20.760 I have to walk down

00:19:21.740 the street with a knife

00:19:22.920 just to go home.

00:19:26.400 The folks know.

00:19:27.860 They were,

00:19:28.400 were they street vendors?

00:19:29.180 No.

00:19:31.260 So those,

00:19:31.840 that was just a woman

00:19:32.740 in West Lawndale,

00:19:33.820 which is one of the most

00:19:34.360 dangerous neighborhoods

00:19:34.960 in Chicago.

00:19:35.480 But the street vendors

00:19:36.700 are an Hispanic neighborhood

00:19:37.760 in Little Village

00:19:39.020 and many of them

00:19:39.640 are actually undocumented immigrants,

00:19:41.960 which is why they have,

00:19:43.040 they are street vendors.

00:19:43.940 They can't get regular jobs,

00:19:45.520 many of them.

00:19:46.280 And they,

00:19:47.220 because they're on the side

00:19:47.880 of the street,

00:19:48.560 because they,

00:19:49.540 they are,

00:19:50.340 you know,

00:19:51.220 using on a cash-only basis,

00:19:53.460 many of them

00:19:53.960 are very vulnerable

00:19:54.780 to,

00:19:55.580 to robberies

00:19:56.480 and not just any kind

00:19:57.520 of robberies,

00:19:58.540 armed robberies,

00:19:59.160 men coming with machine guns

00:20:01.360 pointed at their heads.

00:20:02.600 I mean,

00:20:02.840 people in this city

00:20:03.820 and Chicago

00:20:04.820 are absolutely traumatized

00:20:06.560 by what's happened.

00:20:07.180 And I think that's why

00:20:07.980 many of them have just said,

00:20:09.480 we need to change.

00:20:10.340 Lori Lightfoot has not done

00:20:11.540 anything for us.

00:20:12.800 She doesn't seem to care about us.

00:20:14.360 Let's get,

00:20:14.600 let's get more cops on the street.

00:20:15.980 Let's enforce the laws

00:20:16.860 as written on the books.

00:20:17.840 Let's throw the book

00:20:18.520 at people who

00:20:19.080 take these,

00:20:20.780 these weapons

00:20:21.400 and threaten the street vendors.

00:20:22.760 Or we could do

00:20:23.700 what Lori Lightfoot

00:20:24.300 is proposing.

00:20:25.520 This is her proposed solution.

00:20:27.200 Here it is,

00:20:27.540 SOT 17.

00:20:29.160 Heard a lot of rhetoric here,

00:20:30.720 a lot of soundbites,

00:20:31.900 but not a lot of concrete solution

00:20:33.560 on how we get the job done

00:20:35.180 and make our residents

00:20:36.760 and our workers safe.

00:20:38.400 We're doing it

00:20:39.000 every single day.

00:20:40.860 I think the follow-up is,

00:20:42.480 and your solution is?

00:20:43.980 I just explained it.

00:20:45.300 We have been in Little Village

00:20:46.580 working with those street vendors,

00:20:48.480 understanding what the nature

00:20:49.460 of the crime is,

00:20:50.380 making sure that we're doing things

00:20:51.640 in concert with them

00:20:52.820 to help them

00:20:53.840 make sure that their money

00:20:55.860 is secure,

00:20:56.900 not use money

00:20:57.760 if at all possible,

00:20:59.000 using other forms

00:21:00.360 of transactions

00:21:00.980 to take care of themselves.

00:21:03.700 Don't use cash.

00:21:05.100 She's said it a couple of times.

00:21:06.520 Don't use cash.

00:21:07.420 The street vendors.

00:21:08.680 Oh, okay.

00:21:09.780 So take away the cash.

00:21:10.680 But how about getting

00:21:11.460 some cops out there

00:21:12.780 to help them?

00:21:13.240 How about keeping criminals

00:21:14.260 behind bars

00:21:15.420 so that they're not running

00:21:16.340 rampant in the streets?

00:21:17.280 Oh, go ahead, Amal.

00:21:20.920 I'm sorry.

00:21:21.760 Yeah, I mean,

00:21:22.440 she's looking at these people

00:21:23.620 and essentially saying,

00:21:24.700 well, it's your fault

00:21:25.300 that this is happening to you

00:21:26.400 and you just need to adjust.

00:21:28.520 It's very similar

00:21:29.420 to the narrative

00:21:30.560 we got surrounding inflation.

00:21:32.400 This is all natural.

00:21:33.300 It's your fault

00:21:33.800 that you're not adjusting.

00:21:34.900 You expect too much

00:21:35.940 from this country.

00:21:36.780 And that's what she's telling

00:21:37.720 the citizens of Chicago.

00:21:39.740 Yeah, and it's not just Chicago, Evita.

00:21:41.760 I mean, it's just in New York City.

00:21:44.000 Of course, we've seen record crime here

00:21:45.620 and the subways.

00:21:47.680 I pulled the latest numbers.

00:21:49.620 It was since 2020,

00:21:51.600 there have been roughly 21 killings

00:21:53.700 in the subway system.

00:21:54.880 I mean, this used to be so safe.

00:21:56.500 I've lived in New York for a long time,

00:21:58.080 lived my whole life in New York State.

00:22:00.460 When I was a young lawyer here

00:22:02.100 in the late 90s,

00:22:03.140 I was on the subway every day,

00:22:04.600 multiple times a day.

00:22:05.420 You didn't see it.

00:22:06.120 Nobody was getting shot.

00:22:07.120 Nobody was getting killed.

00:22:08.620 We'd already had Giuliani

00:22:09.860 cleaning up the cities,

00:22:12.020 the streets and so on.

00:22:13.660 And then we had such a blessed period

00:22:15.580 of Giuliani, Bloomberg,

00:22:17.180 where they funded the cops,

00:22:19.000 they prosecuted crime.

00:22:20.520 And then that loser,

00:22:21.600 Mayor de Blasio, took over.

00:22:23.260 And the street,

00:22:23.900 everything went to hell.

00:22:25.020 It went to hell, thanks to him.

00:22:26.620 He was too busy smoking his pot

00:22:28.080 and promoting his wife's stupid videos

00:22:29.920 of her cooking

00:22:30.580 and not worried about

00:22:31.920 keeping the streets safe.

00:22:33.920 So we've had 21 killings

00:22:35.480 in the subway system since 2020.

00:22:39.040 And that's more than the 20 murders

00:22:40.900 that were recorded

00:22:41.540 between 2008 and 2019 combined.

00:22:46.920 That's crazy.

00:22:48.020 Is that, is that must be,

00:22:49.180 I wonder if that's 2008, 2019.

00:22:51.160 In any event,

00:22:51.760 I'll get the stats

00:22:52.900 from the New York Post.

00:22:54.700 So bad that the Fox News weatherman,

00:22:57.260 Adam Klotz,

00:22:58.760 had an extraordinary thing

00:22:59.700 happen to him two days ago.

00:23:00.760 He was riding the subway home

00:23:02.180 from having watched a Giants game

00:23:04.060 with some buddies.

00:23:05.520 He said it was after midnight.

00:23:06.580 It was like 1245 in the morning,

00:23:08.340 but crowded subway.

00:23:11.100 And well, I'll let him tell it

00:23:13.720 what happened to him.

00:23:14.300 He saw a guy in trouble,

00:23:15.280 some gang members

00:23:16.120 or some young guys,

00:23:17.500 seven guys,

00:23:18.440 beating up on an old man.

00:23:19.440 He stepped in.

00:23:20.560 Here he is.

00:23:22.300 Last night,

00:23:23.000 coming home from watching

00:23:23.720 the Giants game at a bar

00:23:24.880 on the subway,

00:23:26.660 this older gentleman

00:23:28.160 was being hassled

00:23:28.900 by this group of like

00:23:29.800 seven or eight teens.

00:23:31.540 And I was like,

00:23:32.240 yo, guys, cut that out.

00:23:34.000 And they decided,

00:23:35.700 all right,

00:23:36.000 if he's not going to get it,

00:23:37.180 then you're going to get it.

00:23:38.480 And boy,

00:23:39.220 did they give it to me.

00:23:40.680 They had me on the ground.

00:23:42.060 My ribs are all

00:23:42.960 kind of bruised up, too.

00:23:44.060 They got their hits in.

00:23:46.340 But that guy,

00:23:47.420 he got out of there.

00:23:48.420 He's fine.

00:23:49.460 And the cops grabbed

00:23:50.420 a couple of these kids.

00:23:52.340 And,

00:23:52.940 you know,

00:23:54.040 I got x-rays.

00:23:55.160 I'm OK.

00:23:55.720 This is all going to heal.

00:23:56.820 So it's all good.

00:23:57.860 You know what I mean?

00:23:58.400 New York City.

00:24:00.020 New York City.

00:24:02.420 Ah,

00:24:03.000 what a place.

00:24:04.520 The Big Apple.

00:24:05.020 Oh,

00:24:05.740 he's I'm sure he's,

00:24:09.340 you know,

00:24:09.620 making light of it there.

00:24:11.400 You know,

00:24:11.840 to his credit,

00:24:12.460 he's not leaning into

00:24:13.520 poor me,

00:24:14.680 but

00:24:14.900 I'm sure he's traumatized.

00:24:17.140 I'm sure that was

00:24:18.000 extremely traumatic.

00:24:18.960 They lit the guy's hair on fire,

00:24:20.800 an elderly man.

00:24:22.360 So Adam,

00:24:22.940 the weather guy,

00:24:23.680 steps in to say,

00:24:24.560 yo,

00:24:25.420 what are you doing?

00:24:26.580 And they beat the hell out of him.

00:24:28.100 That's life in New York now,

00:24:29.380 Evita.

00:24:30.480 Yeah.

00:24:31.000 Well,

00:24:31.280 first of all,

00:24:31.840 I just want to say how brave of him.

00:24:33.280 And we're always demonizing men

00:24:34.940 and toxic masculinity.

00:24:35.880 And what an amazingly brave example

00:24:38.320 of a man standing up

00:24:40.080 and doing what's right

00:24:41.140 and and suffering the consequences of it,

00:24:43.680 but but doing what was right ultimately.

00:24:45.040 But I think,

00:24:46.000 I mean,

00:24:46.760 I had a classmate that was that was shot

00:24:48.760 in the Chicago subway.

00:24:50.800 I think many people that live in New York

00:24:52.800 and Chicago and L.A.,

00:24:53.780 they have experiences like that,

00:24:55.240 know someone who's been through something like that,

00:24:57.020 and they just don't want to stay there.

00:24:58.780 I mean,

00:24:58.980 people are fleeing

00:25:00.780 these major American cities

00:25:03.240 and moving to other places

00:25:05.260 that work better for them.

00:25:06.340 I, you know,

00:25:06.680 I recently graduated

00:25:07.740 and it's been really interesting

00:25:09.040 to talk to my friends.

00:25:09.980 Where did you want to go

00:25:11.160 once you left college?

00:25:13.100 Not not one of them,

00:25:14.920 actually of my of my friend group

00:25:16.580 stayed in Chicago.

00:25:17.600 And I don't know anybody

00:25:18.560 who went to New York.

00:25:19.480 I know people who went to Nashville.

00:25:20.620 I know people who went to Dallas.

00:25:22.120 I know people who went to Miami,

00:25:23.160 but they're just not interested in this.

00:25:25.420 And I think once people

00:25:26.480 start to really leave,

00:25:27.720 they'll and it starts to hurt the economy.

00:25:29.920 Hopefully these these leftist mayors

00:25:31.700 will start to turn things around.

00:25:32.680 But until things get

00:25:33.880 to a really terrible point,

00:25:34.920 I think these cities

00:25:36.320 are going to continue to bleed

00:25:37.220 and just keep getting worse.

00:25:38.840 Oh, my God.

00:25:40.040 A couple of the couple

00:25:41.100 that they managed to arrest

00:25:42.420 were apparently juveniles.

00:25:43.840 And so they're going to have

00:25:44.860 a juvenile record,

00:25:45.680 which will then be expunged.

00:25:46.760 And they'll go on to,

00:25:48.260 I'm sure, continue a life of crime

00:25:49.620 and hurt somebody else.

00:25:51.900 That's how it goes.

00:25:53.020 That's how it goes.

00:25:54.300 We don't have a mayor now

00:25:55.660 who cares much

00:25:56.200 about fighting crime either.

00:25:57.260 We thought, you know,

00:25:58.340 Mayor Mayor Eric Adams

00:26:00.160 was going to change things.

00:26:01.140 So far, no, he hasn't.

00:26:02.300 He has a light

00:26:02.820 light on crime DA as well.

00:26:04.640 That's been well documented.

00:26:06.600 Well, one place they should not go,

00:26:08.120 but might Evita,

00:26:09.100 when they graduate from college

00:26:10.180 is Atlanta.

00:26:10.820 Atlanta, I say that

00:26:13.080 because the people

00:26:13.760 going to Atlanta right now

00:26:14.960 are apparently runny-nosed,

00:26:18.140 snotty-nosed, elite university,

00:26:21.020 well-educated, rich, privileged kids

00:26:23.200 who want to go burn cop cars

00:26:25.700 in the name of environmentalism,

00:26:28.420 I think,

00:26:29.580 because they have nothing else

00:26:31.580 better to do.

00:26:32.460 I mean, that's what we're seeing.

00:26:33.260 So Atlanta finds itself

00:26:35.260 the subject of riots

00:26:37.580 because they're refunding cops.

00:26:41.380 They're building what's,

00:26:42.960 I guess they're calling it

00:26:43.540 like a cop center

00:26:44.360 where they can train

00:26:46.480 more police and so on.

00:26:47.900 And this has become a big issue

00:26:49.880 because people hate cops on the left

00:26:52.580 and because they're going to have

00:26:54.040 to knock down some trees

00:26:54.860 to build this center.

00:26:56.620 So these kids are out there

00:26:58.240 and they're protesting

00:26:59.920 and they're angry.

00:27:00.760 And in the course of all of this,

00:27:04.900 someone got shot.

00:27:07.800 Someone got killed

00:27:09.380 and they had taken a shot at a cop

00:27:11.000 and they actually hit the cop

00:27:12.440 and then the cops shot back

00:27:13.940 at this protester

00:27:14.760 and the protester died.

00:27:18.660 So now we have riots

00:27:19.560 because cops are bad

00:27:20.600 because we have to believe

00:27:22.160 that this is all made up.

00:27:23.500 The cops weren't actually shot at

00:27:24.640 even though we apparently have

00:27:25.620 a very injured police officer

00:27:26.800 and it's spiraling, right?

00:27:28.500 It's spiraling.

00:27:28.980 And it looks very much,

00:27:30.680 according to Andy Ngo's reporting,

00:27:33.040 which you can read

00:27:33.520 in the New York Post

00:27:34.140 in addition on his Twitter,

00:27:35.820 this thing,

00:27:36.200 this whole thing

00:27:36.640 has been taken over by Antifa.

00:27:40.040 You've got,

00:27:41.060 he did a profile,

00:27:42.180 a piece profiling

00:27:43.480 the many young people

00:27:45.980 who had already

00:27:46.740 committed some crimes

00:27:48.660 in some cases,

00:27:49.240 but who have now been charged

00:27:50.480 with felony domestic terrorism

00:27:52.020 and they're from out of state

00:27:54.140 and they're pampered children.

00:27:55.680 Francis Carroll, 22 of Maine,

00:27:57.520 had already been out on bail

00:27:59.500 for a domestic terrorism arrest

00:28:01.220 as a result of Francis's behavior

00:28:04.880 in Atlanta.

00:28:06.540 Francis is the son

00:28:07.340 of a yacht-sailing

00:28:08.140 multi-millionaire family

00:28:09.280 and hails from the wealthy

00:28:10.120 main city of Kennebunkport.

00:28:11.980 He had been living

00:28:12.920 in his parents' mansion

00:28:13.720 before going to Atlanta

00:28:14.760 and so on.

00:28:16.060 Then there's Madeline Henry Fiola,

00:28:17.840 22 of Spokane, Washington,

00:28:19.560 a trans non-binary activist,

00:28:22.100 2022 alumna

00:28:23.100 of Oberlin College,

00:28:24.280 of course,

00:28:24.620 where they studied

00:28:25.540 archaeological studies

00:28:27.060 with a focus on decolonization

00:28:28.640 from Portland, Oregon,

00:28:30.420 a wealthy suburb

00:28:31.280 of Happy Valley.

00:28:33.900 Then you've got

00:28:34.700 Emily Murphy

00:28:35.720 of Grosse Isle, Michigan,

00:28:37.560 middle-class vegan activist,

00:28:39.200 again, according to the Post,

00:28:40.820 who used to chair

00:28:42.320 Al Gore's

00:28:42.920 Climate Reality Project

00:28:44.260 organization

00:28:44.900 before becoming

00:28:46.380 further radicalized

00:28:47.280 into eco-ideology.

00:28:49.600 There's a guy named

00:28:50.320 Ivan Ferguson,

00:28:51.380 23,

00:28:51.700 of Henderson, Nevada,

00:28:52.980 award-winning,

00:28:53.540 classically trained clarinetist

00:28:54.940 who studied the prestigious

00:28:57.800 San Francisco Conservatory

00:28:59.120 of Music

00:28:59.760 before they decided

00:29:01.300 to cart into Atlanta

00:29:03.200 and cause

00:29:04.540 a ton of trouble there

00:29:06.640 as part of far-left

00:29:08.360 extremist behavior.

00:29:10.140 So,

00:29:10.720 that's what's happening there.

00:29:13.060 Bored kids

00:29:13.840 who have too much time

00:29:15.020 on their hands

00:29:15.580 and a ton of privilege

00:29:16.820 who want to go out there

00:29:18.500 and support people

00:29:19.740 who have shot cops

00:29:20.660 and these guys

00:29:21.980 are setting cop cars

00:29:23.000 on fire, etc.

00:29:24.460 How are we supposed

00:29:25.280 to view this?

00:29:26.740 I mean,

00:29:27.560 I would love to say

00:29:28.420 that I'm surprised by this,

00:29:29.700 but I'm not at all.

00:29:31.020 Every time that I go

00:29:31.820 to visit a college campus

00:29:32.980 to maybe tell my story

00:29:34.180 or talk about the state

00:29:35.220 of political discourse today,

00:29:36.600 I am met with protesters

00:29:37.800 and those protesters

00:29:38.720 are largely

00:29:39.640 highly educated,

00:29:41.340 supposedly highly educated,

00:29:42.960 white, privileged students

00:29:44.080 who come to take on

00:29:45.440 the names of people of color

00:29:47.620 and underprivileged people

00:29:48.880 and say that they're

00:29:49.540 fighting some battle

00:29:50.440 and that's exactly

00:29:51.220 what these Antifa kids

00:29:53.140 are doing.

00:29:53.820 They're essentially

00:29:54.680 children at this point

00:29:56.020 who are going out

00:29:56.960 throwing a tantrum

00:29:57.760 in the middle of the streets

00:29:58.640 and I can't think

00:29:59.660 of a worse way

00:30:00.500 to show the world

00:30:01.460 that you need less police

00:30:02.720 than setting cars on fire

00:30:04.660 and burning things

00:30:05.480 down to the ground

00:30:06.260 and looting

00:30:06.780 and stealing

00:30:07.240 and robbing

00:30:07.720 and all these things

00:30:08.580 that Antifa

00:30:09.520 and their fellow thugs

00:30:10.900 are engaging in.

00:30:12.280 Really,

00:30:12.620 they're proving

00:30:13.000 our point for us.

00:30:13.840 I will give them that

00:30:14.760 but it's a shame

00:30:15.600 that people are getting hurt

00:30:16.920 in the process.

00:30:18.020 Property is being damaged

00:30:19.260 but what they're doing

00:30:20.260 is exposing themselves

00:30:21.220 to rational,

00:30:22.160 reasonable people

00:30:22.820 which I believe

00:30:23.720 is still most of the world

00:30:25.420 and most of the United States

00:30:26.900 and they're going to be

00:30:28.160 brought to task.

00:30:29.140 It's very similar

00:30:29.880 to these Just Stop Oil protesters

00:30:32.340 that we're seeing

00:30:33.080 all around the world

00:30:34.240 who are throwing soup

00:30:35.660 at Van Gogh paintings.

00:30:37.200 They're always privileged

00:30:38.420 white kids,

00:30:39.520 highly educated,

00:30:40.660 who have never had

00:30:41.720 an ounce of oppression

00:30:43.780 in their lives.

00:30:44.980 Yes, yes.

00:30:45.860 Remember all the white women

00:30:47.220 from the Upper West Side

00:30:48.200 yelling at the Black cops

00:30:49.400 about how they were racists

00:30:50.680 during the BLM protest?

00:30:52.840 Right.

00:30:53.220 And that interesting fact

00:30:55.120 about Amala,

00:30:55.940 you once were of the left

00:30:57.640 and actually got,

00:30:58.400 I'm told,

00:30:58.820 a BLM tattoo.

00:31:00.740 Yeah.

00:31:01.120 You sort of came

00:31:01.860 to these realizations

00:31:02.740 very organically

00:31:03.740 but for a period of time

00:31:05.320 you've been sucked

00:31:05.900 into this weird ideology

00:31:06.960 before you actually

00:31:07.860 just paid attention

00:31:08.960 to the facts

00:31:09.520 and saw things differently.

00:31:11.760 Yeah, I mean,

00:31:12.320 regrettably I was

00:31:13.580 a very active member

00:31:15.220 of the left.

00:31:16.080 My BLM tattoo

00:31:17.000 for those of you watching

00:31:17.800 is on my arm here

00:31:19.080 and it's all because

00:31:20.720 my world was reduced down

00:31:22.180 to things like race and gender

00:31:23.500 and when you look

00:31:24.380 at the world

00:31:24.760 through that lens

00:31:25.460 you will find racism

00:31:26.620 and bigotry

00:31:27.400 where there is none

00:31:28.460 and you will seek out activism

00:31:30.020 because that's what you're taught.

00:31:31.440 You're taught that

00:31:31.960 you need to group together,

00:31:33.180 band together,

00:31:33.880 convince other people

00:31:34.840 of their oppression

00:31:35.900 and you need to fight

00:31:37.180 this white capitalist male

00:31:39.540 who's holding you all down

00:31:40.660 and you do that

00:31:41.220 by any means necessary

00:31:42.460 and that's why Antifa

00:31:43.920 claims to be tolerant

00:31:45.440 and non-violent

00:31:46.360 and is doing

00:31:46.920 all of this stuff

00:31:47.860 in the streets

00:31:48.320 burning things down,

00:31:49.340 killing people

00:31:49.980 because they are

00:31:51.340 essentially brainwashed

00:31:52.740 into thinking

00:31:53.300 that this is what

00:31:53.940 they need to do

00:31:54.660 to have a prosperous life

00:31:56.080 in the future

00:31:56.580 or at least create one

00:31:58.340 for generations to come.

00:32:00.620 But instead of,

00:32:01.600 you know,

00:32:02.140 where they're not actually

00:32:03.060 burning things down,

00:32:03.780 your lying eyes

00:32:04.420 are deceiving you

00:32:05.200 if that's what you saw.

00:32:06.340 I mean,

00:32:06.480 we did see

00:32:07.060 the burning cop cars

00:32:08.040 and the Atlanta police chief

00:32:09.760 says that they found

00:32:11.260 multiple protesters

00:32:12.100 with explosive devices

00:32:13.340 on them.

00:32:14.080 That's what was used

00:32:14.820 to set that

00:32:15.300 Atlanta police car on fire.

00:32:16.980 Some members

00:32:17.380 began smashing property.

00:32:18.800 They were throwing bricks

00:32:19.880 at Atlanta PD vehicles,

00:32:21.460 smashing property.

00:32:22.520 Some cops got hurt as well.

00:32:24.700 And yet,

00:32:26.160 you've got

00:32:27.000 David Peisner,

00:32:29.060 freelance journalist,

00:32:31.080 I'm putting that term

00:32:32.220 in air quotes,

00:32:33.620 on CNN,

00:32:34.380 who sees it this way.

00:32:37.160 I think that

00:32:38.280 there's a real

00:32:39.160 blurring of the lines

00:32:40.940 in the use

00:32:42.060 of the word violence.

00:32:44.020 Is property destruction

00:32:45.420 violence?

00:32:46.360 To some people,

00:32:47.180 it certainly is.

00:32:49.100 But,

00:32:50.020 you know,

00:32:51.180 this idea

00:32:52.140 that

00:32:52.680 breaking windows

00:32:54.360 or

00:32:55.160 other acts

00:32:56.700 of property destruction

00:32:57.580 are the same

00:32:58.980 as

00:32:59.800 actual

00:33:01.360 violence

00:33:02.260 against humans.

00:33:03.540 You know,

00:33:03.740 you keep using

00:33:04.380 these words,

00:33:04.920 violent,

00:33:05.360 violent,

00:33:05.720 violent,

00:33:06.080 violent.

00:33:07.340 And

00:33:07.820 it gives the impression,

00:33:10.020 I mean,

00:33:10.140 the only violence

00:33:11.060 that,

00:33:11.900 or the only acts

00:33:13.500 of violence

00:33:14.380 against people

00:33:15.420 that I saw

00:33:16.320 were actually

00:33:17.200 police tackling

00:33:18.240 protests.

00:33:19.000 pay no attention

00:33:21.300 to those bombs

00:33:22.100 that they have

00:33:22.880 on them,

00:33:23.400 Evita.

00:33:23.940 That's,

00:33:24.280 that's not,

00:33:25.280 it's not really

00:33:25.660 violent if you just

00:33:26.480 throw it on the cop car.

00:33:27.880 Like,

00:33:28.500 were the cops

00:33:28.900 actually in it?

00:33:29.700 Was anybody?

00:33:30.400 So,

00:33:30.680 no,

00:33:30.980 it's fine.

00:33:31.780 Your thoughts?

00:33:33.560 This,

00:33:33.940 this kind of denialism,

00:33:34.840 it actually makes me

00:33:35.920 pretty mad.

00:33:36.940 I,

00:33:37.780 it's,

00:33:38.340 for us on the right,

00:33:39.060 I think we look at them

00:33:39.880 in these kind of

00:33:40.720 crazy hairstyles

00:33:41.800 and they're gendered,

00:33:42.780 you know,

00:33:43.320 queer and non-conforming

00:33:44.880 and all this stuff,

00:33:45.420 and it can be easy

00:33:45.980 to sort of dismiss them

00:33:46.900 and say,

00:33:47.200 you know,

00:33:47.380 they're,

00:33:47.760 they're not that much

00:33:48.380 of a threat.

00:33:48.840 They're confused

00:33:49.260 about who they are,

00:33:50.040 right?

00:33:50.300 And the truth is

00:33:51.400 that they are a real threat.

00:33:52.360 This is a terrorist

00:33:53.180 organization.

00:33:54.400 In 2020,

00:33:55.420 I,

00:33:55.760 I went to Kenosha,

00:33:56.540 Wisconsin and did

00:33:57.400 reporting after

00:33:58.900 the shooting of Jacob Blake

00:34:00.180 and the first night,

00:34:03.000 the,

00:34:03.540 the people in the community

00:34:04.520 were there.

00:34:05.180 There was a peaceful protest.

00:34:06.720 They held up signs.

00:34:07.520 They were upset

00:34:07.920 about what happened.

00:34:09.160 Once the Antifa protesters

00:34:10.820 from,

00:34:11.620 from Portland

00:34:12.160 started to pour

00:34:13.620 into the city,

00:34:14.440 then things got bad.

00:34:15.700 They burned down

00:34:16.500 the entire

00:34:17.420 uptown

00:34:18.880 Kenosha,

00:34:20.060 Kenosha area.

00:34:22.280 Millions of dollars

00:34:23.040 in damage.

00:34:23.600 This is a,

00:34:24.120 a,

00:34:24.460 a very small community.

00:34:25.800 And,

00:34:26.080 and this is happening.

00:34:27.080 I mean,

00:34:27.220 it has happened in Kenosha

00:34:28.040 and it's,

00:34:28.340 it's close to my heart.

00:34:29.280 I live near there.

00:34:30.360 Right.

00:34:30.800 And I,

00:34:31.060 I think that's the same

00:34:31.840 for many Americans

00:34:32.460 across the country.

00:34:33.100 People that live in Atlanta,

00:34:34.120 terrorized by these

00:34:35.460 privileged,

00:34:36.300 awful,

00:34:36.920 snobbish children.

00:34:38.800 And,

00:34:39.260 and we'd like,

00:34:40.080 we,

00:34:40.200 we are dismissing them,

00:34:41.320 right?

00:34:41.480 A lot of people on the right

00:34:42.240 because they're crazy.

00:34:43.040 We think they're crazy,

00:34:43.660 but also people on the left

00:34:45.060 saying that they're not

00:34:45.640 that dangerous.

00:34:46.180 And the truth is they are,

00:34:47.200 and we need to start calling

00:34:47.960 them for what they are,

00:34:48.680 which is terrorists.

00:34:50.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.240 You know who used to,

00:34:51.160 who used the same defense

00:34:52.400 of I only damaged property?

00:34:54.300 Bill Ayers,

00:34:55.200 founder of the Weather Underground.

00:34:56.580 They blew up a lot of buildings

00:34:57.540 and they blew up a lot of people.

00:34:59.400 That's how it goes.

00:35:00.780 So we ignore this kind of violence

00:35:02.420 at our own risk.

00:35:03.780 All right.

00:35:04.140 Much,

00:35:04.400 much more to get to,

00:35:05.120 including this person

00:35:06.160 who went completely viral online

00:35:07.680 for claiming she was being harassed

00:35:09.100 by some guy at a gym.

00:35:10.560 We'll let you be the judge

00:35:11.760 when Amala and Avita

00:35:13.240 take that case on next.

00:35:14.740 Don't go away.

00:35:15.640 Your business doesn't move

00:35:17.180 in a straight line.

00:35:18.440 Some days bring growth.

00:35:19.960 Others bring challenges.

00:35:21.580 But what if you or a partner

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00:35:45.620 I don't know who Jessica Fernandez is.

00:35:52.080 However,

00:35:52.640 I'm told she's a

00:35:53.580 Twitch partner.

00:35:55.820 Okay,

00:35:55.960 I don't know.

00:35:56.820 All I know is she posted

00:35:57.720 this absurd video

00:35:58.700 and it now has over

00:36:00.060 40 million views on Twitter,

00:36:02.240 over 660,000 on TikTok

00:36:05.220 and I could go on.

00:36:06.720 Now,

00:36:06.900 for the listening audience,

00:36:08.280 stay with me

00:36:08.800 because

00:36:09.160 she's hard to hear

00:36:10.740 and it's not going to be

00:36:11.740 that meaningful to you.

00:36:12.540 It's more meaningful

00:36:13.080 to the YouTubers,

00:36:13.740 but I'm going to explain

00:36:14.620 to the listening audience

00:36:15.440 what we're seeing.

00:36:17.100 It's this young woman

00:36:18.420 in the gym

00:36:20.200 in like,

00:36:21.060 you know,

00:36:21.480 I wouldn't say she's

00:36:23.140 covered up.

00:36:24.420 She's got sort of

00:36:24.960 the skimpy gym outfit on.

00:36:26.800 She's doing her little workout,

00:36:28.440 like her hip thrusts

00:36:29.780 and in the back,

00:36:30.620 you see a man

00:36:31.600 who's,

00:36:32.640 I think,

00:36:33.380 minding his own business

00:36:35.060 and as I can count it,

00:36:36.540 maybe once

00:36:37.300 looks over at her.

00:36:38.580 She's filming herself

00:36:40.260 muttering expletives

00:36:42.040 into her camera,

00:36:43.680 her microphone,

00:36:44.280 which she's holding

00:36:44.840 and then he comes over

00:36:46.760 and offers to help her

00:36:47.760 reload the weights.

00:36:49.520 Here it is.

00:36:50.160 Jessica.

00:37:20.160 is outraged over this.

00:37:22.220 Again,

00:37:22.600 literally,

00:37:22.920 if you watch this online,

00:37:23.640 you'll see him look at her,

00:37:24.660 I think,

00:37:25.000 one time from,

00:37:26.340 and probably because

00:37:27.520 she's holding

00:37:28.220 a big camera up.

00:37:29.740 Okay,

00:37:30.280 these are her tweets,

00:37:31.360 gals.

00:37:32.440 This guy kept making me

00:37:34.380 extremely uncomfortable

00:37:35.740 at the gym.

00:37:36.760 This is why

00:37:37.500 I'll end up crying

00:37:38.560 on stream

00:37:39.200 because I feel

00:37:40.160 so grossed out

00:37:40.940 at times

00:37:41.340 with the amount

00:37:41.840 of sexualization

00:37:42.740 I experience.

00:37:44.040 Hopefully,

00:37:44.400 this spreads awareness

00:37:45.180 for girls who experience

00:37:46.240 this type of treatment

00:37:47.040 at the gym.

00:37:48.240 And she goes on,

00:37:49.700 I can see how this

00:37:50.740 makes me look like

00:37:51.480 I have an inflated ego,

00:37:52.420 but I am an attractive girl

00:37:54.640 in a beauty standard sense

00:37:56.440 and I get extremely

00:37:57.640 sexually harassed online

00:37:59.260 and it makes trusting

00:38:00.540 random strangers

00:38:01.400 that approach me

00:38:02.300 trigger my trauma.

00:38:04.820 Oh my God.

00:38:05.860 Which is why

00:38:06.740 I respond this way.

00:38:08.660 Then she goes on to add,

00:38:09.580 I'm also extremely antisocial

00:38:11.420 and being hit on

00:38:12.460 is never a compliment to me.

00:38:14.000 I despise being sexualized.

00:38:17.440 So,

00:38:18.520 raise your hand

00:38:19.240 if you believe

00:38:20.400 any of that.

00:38:21.720 If you believe

00:38:22.240 one word

00:38:22.900 of what she just tweeted.

00:38:24.720 No,

00:38:25.260 no hands up.

00:38:25.920 No,

00:38:26.340 no hands up,

00:38:27.840 Amala,

00:38:28.360 because she clearly

00:38:29.340 does not mind

00:38:29.900 being sexualized.

00:38:30.820 It seems to be

00:38:31.440 her bread and butter,

00:38:32.400 but she loves

00:38:33.340 to play the victim.

00:38:35.000 Oh yeah,

00:38:35.660 this is peak

00:38:36.240 victimhood culture

00:38:37.100 and we're seeing it

00:38:37.900 all over the place now.

00:38:39.000 If you go to that girl's

00:38:39.940 Instagram,

00:38:40.500 you'll see pictures

00:38:41.200 of her butt

00:38:42.160 in the mirror.

00:38:42.880 You'll see her

00:38:43.340 in a Playboy bunny costume.

00:38:44.840 So,

00:38:45.040 she really hates

00:38:45.680 being sexualized,

00:38:46.700 by people on the internet.

00:38:48.000 She despises it.

00:38:49.200 And really,

00:38:49.860 what this is,

00:38:50.840 and in a broader sense,

00:38:52.300 is such a disservice

00:38:53.320 to women

00:38:53.840 because there are

00:38:54.720 actual women

00:38:55.440 who go to the gym

00:38:56.320 and who maybe

00:38:57.280 are harassed by men

00:38:58.340 or maybe there are

00:38:59.160 perverts who are

00:38:59.780 coming up to these women

00:39:00.560 and trying to engage

00:39:01.440 in some sort of activity

00:39:02.520 that we would view

00:39:03.200 as unsavory.

00:39:04.300 But because you are,

00:39:05.740 we are in this

00:39:06.300 believe all women phase

00:39:07.720 where you can quite literally

00:39:08.740 take a video

00:39:09.440 of a man doing no wrong,

00:39:11.260 post it on the internet,

00:39:12.480 accuse him of doing wrong,

00:39:13.520 and have him be attacked.

00:39:15.040 It's just like

00:39:15.760 we do not know

00:39:16.700 our heads

00:39:17.240 from our asses anymore

00:39:18.240 in this culture.

00:39:20.180 And she deserves

00:39:21.200 to be called out for it

00:39:22.340 and she has been luckily.

00:39:24.260 Yes,

00:39:24.780 Evita,

00:39:25.120 she's got,

00:39:26.300 it's a fan house account

00:39:28.680 which is apparently

00:39:29.420 a competitor

00:39:30.120 to OnlyFans

00:39:31.160 where you go on there

00:39:31.820 and you post

00:39:32.240 all this saucy stuff

00:39:33.240 because you want

00:39:34.140 to be admired

00:39:34.720 and charge people for it.

00:39:37.280 And she's like,

00:39:38.160 all DMs will be

00:39:38.980 responded to directly.

00:39:40.120 And so,

00:39:40.860 okay,

00:39:41.160 so this person

00:39:42.080 is not

00:39:42.920 someone who

00:39:45.160 despises being,

00:39:47.400 despises being sexualized

00:39:49.320 and feels so grossed out

00:39:50.580 at times

00:39:50.860 with the amount

00:39:51.240 of sexualization

00:39:52.080 she experiences.

00:39:53.180 She's experiencing it

00:39:54.340 because she's,

00:39:54.900 she's asking,

00:39:56.240 she's literally putting out

00:39:57.300 sexualized content

00:39:58.580 and asking people

00:39:59.600 to message her about it.

00:40:01.600 She's clearly not

00:40:02.920 someone who cares

00:40:03.780 about being sexualized

00:40:04.760 whatsoever.

00:40:05.720 Otherwise,

00:40:06.140 she'd make money

00:40:06.720 in a different way.

00:40:07.880 But I think

00:40:08.820 what was so interesting

00:40:09.780 is the phrasing,

00:40:10.680 right?

00:40:10.880 She said that

00:40:11.600 he's making me

00:40:12.380 so uncomfortable.

00:40:13.120 She feels so,

00:40:14.180 so scared

00:40:15.000 and terrified

00:40:15.580 and traumatized

00:40:16.560 by the whole thing.

00:40:17.860 The only person

00:40:18.620 that's making people

00:40:19.860 in the gym uncomfortable

00:40:20.920 are the people

00:40:21.920 that record themselves

00:40:22.820 in the gym

00:40:23.440 and then you're

00:40:23.900 in their shop.

00:40:24.820 I've gone to the gym

00:40:25.480 with several people

00:40:26.400 calling Paul.

00:40:27.380 I go to the gym

00:40:28.340 and people,

00:40:29.020 especially newbies,

00:40:29.780 they don't want

00:40:30.080 to be recorded

00:40:30.740 while they're trying

00:40:31.340 to work out.

00:40:32.100 And these like

00:40:33.300 excessively narcissistic

00:40:35.880 gym culture girls

00:40:38.040 will come to the gym

00:40:38.920 with their cameras

00:40:39.580 and their lighting

00:40:40.160 and their makeup

00:40:40.760 on while they're

00:40:41.300 working out

00:40:41.860 and expect all of us

00:40:43.400 to step out of frame.

00:40:44.620 It's ridiculous.

00:40:45.660 She's the one

00:40:46.260 making people uncomfortable.

00:40:47.300 This man was clearly

00:40:48.040 minding his own business

00:40:48.960 and it was so wrong

00:40:50.020 of her to put him

00:40:50.580 on blast

00:40:51.080 for the whole internet

00:40:52.940 to then call him

00:40:54.080 some creep

00:40:54.740 when again,

00:40:55.420 the real weirdo

00:40:56.240 is her

00:40:56.700 for recording

00:40:57.440 everyone in the gym.

00:40:58.720 Right.

00:40:59.360 I haven't been

00:41:00.020 to a gym forever.

00:41:00.920 Otherwise,

00:41:01.240 I'd probably know

00:41:01.740 about this trend.

00:41:02.460 But how uncomfortable.

00:41:03.660 No,

00:41:03.800 I wouldn't want

00:41:04.220 to be somebody's

00:41:04.860 background

00:41:05.280 of their live stream

00:41:07.200 or their video shot.

00:41:08.100 And she falsely

00:41:09.580 maligned this guy.

00:41:10.460 I mean,

00:41:10.620 it would have been

00:41:10.980 even worse for him

00:41:11.780 maybe if she didn't

00:41:12.940 have the camera

00:41:13.520 and she went online

00:41:14.720 and did one of the tearful

00:41:15.840 like,

00:41:16.280 I got sexualized,

00:41:17.520 I got harassed

00:41:18.280 and then we'd be

00:41:18.760 wondering like,

00:41:19.740 who did this,

00:41:20.620 right?

00:41:20.820 Like this guy,

00:41:21.820 whatever,

00:41:22.500 his name might have

00:41:23.620 come out,

00:41:24.000 he would have been

00:41:24.360 unfairly smeared.

00:41:25.900 This ladies is why,

00:41:27.980 this is why

00:41:28.800 we have a headline

00:41:29.600 in the news today,

00:41:30.440 which I mean,

00:41:31.640 it'll come to the

00:41:32.560 surprise of nobody.

00:41:33.780 Time's Up is closing.

00:41:35.100 It's done.

00:41:36.100 It's officially done.

00:41:37.360 I don't know if you knew

00:41:37.900 it was still around,

00:41:39.140 but there's a reason

00:41:40.920 that Time's Up

00:41:41.820 was not able

00:41:42.360 to sustain itself.

00:41:44.200 This organization

00:41:44.940 that was so lauded,

00:41:46.480 $24 million of money

00:41:48.040 poured into that organization

00:41:49.340 in 2018

00:41:50.380 when they first formed

00:41:51.820 at the height

00:41:52.200 of the Me Too movement

00:41:53.040 with an original mission

00:41:54.900 that was noble,

00:41:56.360 right?

00:41:56.600 To help women

00:41:57.100 who had been harassed

00:41:57.740 in the workplace

00:41:58.160 fight back,

00:41:59.140 fight for their legal rights

00:42:00.100 and boy,

00:42:01.020 did they run far afield.

00:42:02.400 Just to take you back

00:42:03.360 on the messaging

00:42:04.820 when this thing

00:42:05.380 was first born

00:42:06.040 and the amount

00:42:06.400 of star power

00:42:07.280 behind it,

00:42:08.300 this is, I think,

00:42:08.840 the Golden Globes 2018.

00:42:11.520 One, two, three.

00:42:13.760 Time's Up!

00:42:15.200 So I want all the girls

00:42:16.580 watching here now

00:42:18.240 to know

00:42:18.840 that a new day

00:42:20.700 is on the horizon.

00:42:23.220 Folks,

00:42:24.000 Time's Up!

00:42:24.920 I have daughters.

00:42:25.880 Like, I don't want

00:42:26.440 this stuff happening.

00:42:27.100 I thought that I would

00:42:27.780 have to raise my daughter

00:42:28.940 to learn how

00:42:29.920 to protect herself

00:42:30.760 and defend herself

00:42:31.580 against the world

00:42:32.480 and what I've realized

00:42:34.660 is that we can hand

00:42:36.140 our daughters

00:42:36.600 a different world.

00:42:37.600 It's very, very

00:42:38.980 beautiful and exciting

00:42:40.840 and saying

00:42:41.680 that time is up.

00:42:42.700 Even in the music business,

00:42:44.020 we haven't even touched

00:42:44.840 that ball of wax

00:42:47.440 or whatever we want

00:42:48.480 to call it.

00:42:49.100 A lot of things

00:42:49.780 have come out

00:42:50.360 of the darkness

00:42:50.840 and into the light.

00:42:51.880 So I think right now

00:42:53.080 we have the chance

00:42:53.960 to be heard

00:42:54.560 and that's why

00:42:55.160 we're doing it.

00:42:56.320 We're all doing it

00:42:57.380 because we're asking

00:42:58.260 to try and elicit change.

00:43:01.480 You know what?

00:43:03.120 No one has spoken up now.

00:43:05.540 This organization

00:43:06.640 is halting its operations.

00:43:07.780 It's giving the paltry amount

00:43:08.920 like 1.7 million bucks

00:43:10.220 it has left

00:43:10.720 to its legal defense fund.

00:43:12.140 And none of those actresses

00:43:13.540 that I remember

00:43:14.620 came out

00:43:15.720 when this organization

00:43:16.660 was imploding.

00:43:18.200 Why?

00:43:19.260 Because

00:43:19.740 when Andrew Cuomo

00:43:21.400 got accused,

00:43:23.240 they sided with him.

00:43:25.220 They advised him,

00:43:26.460 not those women,

00:43:27.080 but the head of Time's Up

00:43:28.320 at the time,

00:43:29.260 advised,

00:43:30.060 I think her name

00:43:30.500 was Tina Chen,

00:43:31.360 I'm trying to check it,

00:43:32.180 and Roberta Kaplan.

00:43:33.780 They advised him

00:43:35.020 behind the scenes

00:43:36.200 and then Chen

00:43:37.100 initially discouraged

00:43:38.140 other Time's Up leaders

00:43:39.100 from commenting publicly

00:43:40.160 on the allegations

00:43:40.960 being brought against him

00:43:41.820 by Lindsay Boylan

00:43:43.020 and others.

00:43:43.820 They sided with him.

00:43:45.860 Why?

00:43:46.620 Because he's a Democrat.

00:43:48.040 You and I both know it.

00:43:49.200 And it wasn't

00:43:49.880 just this incident.

00:43:50.800 It was when Tara Reid

00:43:51.940 came out and accused

00:43:52.800 Joe Biden

00:43:53.400 and she went

00:43:54.420 to Time's Up

00:43:55.180 and what's her name?

00:43:57.120 Anita Dunn,

00:43:58.340 who's running

00:43:59.000 Biden's communication,

00:44:00.120 was running

00:44:00.420 their communication

00:44:01.260 and suddenly Time's Up

00:44:02.760 didn't have the time

00:44:03.520 to help Tara Reid

00:44:05.380 in her quest

00:44:06.540 against who?

00:44:07.620 Another Democrat.

00:44:09.580 This organization

00:44:10.620 embarrassed itself.

00:44:12.060 They were the

00:44:12.660 Believe All Women crew.

00:44:14.060 They crushed

00:44:15.200 Brett Kavanaugh

00:44:16.020 with allegations

00:44:16.760 that were laughable

00:44:18.380 from people

00:44:19.120 like Julie Swetnick

00:44:20.240 and they did this

00:44:21.640 to themselves

00:44:22.320 and I want to hear

00:44:23.400 those actresses

00:44:24.160 come out and say

00:44:24.880 they're sorry

00:44:25.640 and that they'll fund

00:44:26.760 a new organization

00:44:27.860 that gets back

00:44:29.060 to mission focus

00:44:29.860 of helping anyone

00:44:31.140 whether they're

00:44:32.100 accusing a Democrat

00:44:33.000 or a Republican

00:44:33.860 who has been harassed

00:44:34.980 at the office.

00:44:36.100 Otherwise,

00:44:36.760 they can pound sand.

00:44:38.760 I wouldn't take their money

00:44:39.680 and I wouldn't have

00:44:40.360 the association with them.

00:44:41.780 I'm fired up about this

00:44:42.800 because it had a good cause.

00:44:44.580 It could have helped

00:44:45.160 a lot of people

00:44:45.740 and instead

00:44:46.540 they went partisan

00:44:47.960 and that's why

00:44:48.880 they imploded.

00:44:50.780 Okay, Amala,

00:44:51.920 thoughts on that?

00:44:53.980 Yeah, how do I follow that?

00:44:55.300 I will say that

00:44:56.060 with Time's Up

00:44:57.040 and Hashtag Me Too,

00:44:58.160 these are movements

00:44:58.940 for the moment.

00:44:59.760 It's only meant

00:45:00.440 for the moment

00:45:00.880 that they say them

00:45:01.640 and they want

00:45:02.220 to virtue signal.

00:45:03.340 They want to go

00:45:03.760 to the Golden Globes

00:45:04.640 and wear their pins

00:45:05.480 and talk about

00:45:06.040 how important this is

00:45:06.840 to them

00:45:07.120 and it never lasts.

00:45:08.500 It becomes partial

00:45:09.320 to political parties,

00:45:11.320 partial to females

00:45:13.200 instead of men

00:45:13.980 who come forward.

00:45:14.700 Look at the story

00:45:15.200 of Terry Crews

00:45:16.000 who tried to join

00:45:16.680 the Me Too movement

00:45:17.400 and the Time's Up movement

00:45:18.360 and was ridiculed

00:45:19.340 for being a man.

00:45:20.240 Hopping into the space,

00:45:21.840 they don't care

00:45:22.600 for actual looking

00:45:24.380 into evidence

00:45:25.080 and allegations

00:45:25.720 and they are partial

00:45:26.940 to women

00:45:27.540 who make false allegations

00:45:28.680 as we've seen

00:45:29.260 with Amber Heard

00:45:30.100 and many other women

00:45:31.260 much like the lady

00:45:32.340 we just saw

00:45:32.960 in the gym.

00:45:33.760 What they do

00:45:34.400 is they do

00:45:34.860 what feels good to them,

00:45:36.180 they do what furthers

00:45:36.980 their own agenda

00:45:37.860 and I will say

00:45:38.800 much like you said Megan,

00:45:40.220 the Time's Up movement

00:45:41.020 and the Me Too movement

00:45:41.800 could have been

00:45:42.340 something good.

00:45:43.260 We were correcting

00:45:43.900 for past wrongs

00:45:45.000 and past transgressions

00:45:46.080 but sometimes

00:45:46.940 you overcorrect

00:45:48.120 and your mind

00:45:48.660 can be so open

00:45:49.480 that your brain

00:45:49.960 falls out

00:45:50.460 and that's what

00:45:51.160 happened with Time's Up

00:45:52.040 so you won't hear

00:45:52.640 them saying it anymore,

00:45:53.700 you won't hear them

00:45:54.480 saying hashtag Me Too anymore

00:45:55.920 because the movement

00:45:56.860 exists in the moment

00:45:57.720 and they move on.

00:45:59.140 The Believe All Women thing

00:46:00.420 was the first death knell

00:46:02.380 to Me Too.

00:46:03.160 That was the first death knell

00:46:04.300 during the Justice Cabinet.

00:46:05.480 You just have to

00:46:06.480 knee-jerk Believe All Women

00:46:07.600 because we don't lie,

00:46:09.000 I guess,

00:46:09.240 because we got the double X

00:46:10.260 instead of the XO.

00:46:11.240 Right, okay.

00:46:11.940 Everybody knew

00:46:12.520 that's not how it worked

00:46:13.320 but then to actually

00:46:14.860 put a point on it

00:46:15.580 by denying the pleas

00:46:17.560 of women who had been

00:46:18.540 hurt by Democrats,

00:46:20.020 there was no surviving that.

00:46:21.720 There really wasn't.

00:46:22.500 I mean, the women

00:46:23.380 who went to Time's Up

00:46:24.220 weren't all Democrats.

00:46:25.480 They weren't all Republicans.

00:46:26.500 They were women

00:46:26.900 who were hurting

00:46:27.420 and this organization

00:46:28.100 had no time for them.

00:46:29.560 They only had time

00:46:30.240 for their own partisan politics.

00:46:31.460 We've seen it in industry

00:46:32.560 after industry.

00:46:33.840 When you're not

00:46:34.380 on the right side

00:46:35.260 of their woke battle,

00:46:36.780 you're nothing to them.

00:46:37.520 They don't care.

00:46:38.440 If you're Black

00:46:39.900 and you have

00:46:41.300 a heterodox view

00:46:42.500 of BLM

00:46:43.320 like you do, Amala,

00:46:44.280 forget it.

00:46:44.840 They don't care.

00:46:45.720 You'll get called

00:46:46.440 all the names.

00:46:47.160 And if you're for a woman

00:46:48.000 who's accusing a Democrat,

00:46:49.440 you're nothing to them.

00:46:52.280 Right.

00:46:52.760 They take everything

00:46:53.600 that they see,

00:46:54.740 all these stories,

00:46:55.560 and they essentially

00:46:56.200 throw them through a filter.

00:46:57.400 And if you don't come out

00:46:58.480 on the other end,

00:46:59.100 guess what?

00:46:59.460 You're not protected

00:47:00.100 by their movement.

00:47:00.900 They do not care

00:47:01.440 for your opinion.

00:47:02.340 They do not care

00:47:02.920 for your trauma,

00:47:03.740 even though they all

00:47:04.960 talk about how traumatized

00:47:06.320 they are.

00:47:06.900 All of it goes

00:47:07.620 through the filter.

00:47:08.300 And if you don't come out

00:47:09.020 on the other end,

00:47:09.680 you better believe

00:47:10.360 you're not going

00:47:10.760 to be protected by them.

00:47:12.700 I'll say this.

00:47:14.060 I have a lawyer

00:47:15.280 named Brian Friedman,

00:47:16.700 and he's a killer.

00:47:18.680 And if you have a good case,

00:47:20.100 like, he will kill for you.

00:47:21.340 He will.

00:47:22.000 And if somebody brings

00:47:22.800 a false case against you,

00:47:24.180 he will kill for you.

00:47:25.200 That's what you need.

00:47:25.880 Find a good lawyer.

00:47:27.020 Find yourself a good lawyer.

00:47:28.300 Don't join these organizations,

00:47:29.860 honestly,

00:47:30.160 because this is what happens.

00:47:31.580 They get corrupted.

00:47:32.600 And then where's Reese Witherspoon?

00:47:34.320 You know, Evita,

00:47:34.800 she's out there.

00:47:35.800 She wasn't one of the soundbites

00:47:36.880 we played,

00:47:37.200 but she was big

00:47:37.840 in Time's Up.

00:47:38.800 Where's she coming out there

00:47:39.940 to say,

00:47:40.580 you're bullshit?

00:47:41.760 You know,

00:47:42.020 I'm pissed.

00:47:43.500 I put my name on this

00:47:44.740 and I helped you.

00:47:45.700 Like, all these women,

00:47:47.000 Oprah,

00:47:47.820 where's she now

00:47:48.480 to help do the cleanup on this?

00:47:50.720 Yeah, I think it was set up

00:47:51.920 to fail from the very beginning,

00:47:53.100 right?

00:47:53.360 I mean,

00:47:53.760 none of these women

00:47:54.580 are bipartisan champions

00:47:56.980 of women's rights

00:47:57.500 from the very beginning,

00:47:58.340 right?

00:47:58.540 I mean,

00:47:58.760 they could have come forward

00:48:00.320 a long time ago.

00:48:01.080 I think a lot of these

00:48:01.820 major celebrities

00:48:02.500 could have come forward

00:48:03.120 a long time ago

00:48:03.680 and none of them did.

00:48:04.340 And then when Me Too came out,

00:48:05.860 now they said,

00:48:06.280 we're going to band together

00:48:07.120 and start this whole movement together.

00:48:09.940 And my question,

00:48:11.240 I mean,

00:48:11.420 I guess people are,

00:48:13.020 there are victims out there

00:48:13.900 and there are also people

00:48:14.660 who were compliant in all this.

00:48:15.980 And I just wonder

00:48:16.640 how many people knew stuff

00:48:18.720 was happening

00:48:19.200 and then didn't do anything

00:48:20.200 based off of the way

00:48:21.640 Time's Up has turned out,

00:48:23.080 right?

00:48:23.360 I mean,

00:48:23.600 that they've turned their backs

00:48:25.200 on so many women

00:48:26.080 who needed help

00:48:26.800 based off of partisan politics.

00:48:29.100 And the moral bankruptcy

00:48:30.840 of that just makes me think

00:48:32.100 how many more people

00:48:33.240 turned to them in the past

00:48:34.280 before they started

00:48:35.020 this whole virtue signaling organization.

00:48:38.020 Yeah.

00:48:38.400 I mean,

00:48:38.700 listen,

00:48:38.960 if their business

00:48:39.620 is to help people

00:48:40.400 like Jessica Fernandez,

00:48:42.000 thank God they're gone.

00:48:42.940 They shouldn't come back

00:48:44.120 in any way,

00:48:44.760 shape or form.

00:48:45.260 We don't need that.

00:48:45.960 We need legitimate,

00:48:47.240 honest lawyers

00:48:47.740 helping women

00:48:48.340 who have legitimate,

00:48:49.280 honest claims

00:48:49.700 and guys too

00:48:50.480 who can suffer

00:48:51.380 from the same problem

00:48:52.680 and no sweeping narratives.

00:48:55.500 No,

00:48:55.680 no all men are bad.

00:48:56.880 No believe all women.

00:48:57.940 None of it.

00:48:59.280 That's not the way

00:48:59.960 this was ever meant to go.

00:49:01.320 It's been such a pleasure,

00:49:02.540 you guys.

00:49:02.880 Thank you so much

00:49:03.400 for being here.

00:49:04.880 Thanks for having us.

00:49:06.380 Let's do it again.

00:49:07.220 I really enjoyed it.

00:49:11.960 Prince Andrew

00:49:12.840 is reportedly preparing

00:49:14.160 to mount a new battle

00:49:15.680 to get his accuser

00:49:17.520 in connection

00:49:18.100 with the Jeffrey Epstein scandal

00:49:19.980 to retract her allegations

00:49:21.960 against him

00:49:22.700 and apologize.

00:49:24.400 This years after

00:49:25.920 he entered into a settlement

00:49:27.660 with said accuser.

00:49:29.180 This is pretty much

00:49:30.240 over and done with.

00:49:31.380 So why would he be trying

00:49:32.840 to reopen it?

00:49:34.800 My guest today

00:49:35.440 is one of the most

00:49:36.180 well-connected

00:49:37.140 and respected

00:49:37.800 royal reporters

00:49:38.740 in the UK.

00:49:40.260 He has covered the monarchy

00:49:41.300 for a quarter of a century.

00:49:43.580 He broke the report

00:49:44.560 about the allegations

00:49:45.420 of bullying

00:49:46.300 by Meghan Markle

00:49:47.780 against her staff.

00:49:50.340 Valentine Lowe

00:49:51.100 is the author

00:49:52.140 of the book

00:49:52.960 Courtiers.

00:49:53.780 Intrigue,

00:49:55.420 Ambition,

00:49:56.460 and the power players

00:49:57.500 behind the House

00:49:58.600 of Windsor.

00:49:59.900 Valentine,

00:50:00.400 what a pleasure

00:50:00.880 to have you here.

00:50:01.560 Welcome to the show.

00:50:03.020 Thank you very much.

00:50:03.620 Thank you for having me on.

00:50:04.900 So let's start

00:50:05.800 with Prince Andrew

00:50:06.960 since this news

00:50:08.060 is brand new.

00:50:10.140 Ghislaine Maxwell

00:50:11.100 giving an interview

00:50:12.020 from behind bars

00:50:13.820 and it aired

00:50:15.600 last night

00:50:16.500 in the UK

00:50:17.480 saying a lot of things,

00:50:19.660 a lot of things,

00:50:21.080 but providing

00:50:21.780 some help

00:50:22.660 to Prince Andrew

00:50:24.080 who of course

00:50:24.980 has been

00:50:25.700 sort of booted out

00:50:27.060 as a working royal

00:50:28.660 in the wake

00:50:30.180 of this scandal.

00:50:31.040 He was friends

00:50:31.500 with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:50:32.900 He went to see

00:50:33.700 Jeffrey Epstein

00:50:34.400 even after Epstein

00:50:35.580 had pleaded guilty

00:50:36.520 in connection

00:50:37.600 with some of his behavior

00:50:38.900 toward young women.

00:50:40.280 And it's been a stain

00:50:42.020 around the royal family,

00:50:43.360 around Prince Andrew

00:50:44.260 for years now.

00:50:45.780 Ghislaine Maxwell

00:50:46.380 convicted on

00:50:47.120 her own charges

00:50:48.500 of facilitating

00:50:49.680 sexual assaults

00:50:50.940 against young women

00:50:51.680 as Jeffrey Epstein's

00:50:53.060 partner,

00:50:54.040 at times romantic,

00:50:55.080 at times business,

00:50:55.880 at times I don't know

00:50:57.020 how else to explain

00:50:57.820 the remainder

00:50:58.280 of their relationship.

00:50:59.680 But here is what

00:51:00.940 she now says

00:51:01.940 about this infamous photo

00:51:03.820 that many of us

00:51:05.040 have seen.

00:51:05.640 This young woman,

00:51:06.620 Virginia Giuffre,

00:51:07.600 accused Prince Andrew

00:51:09.180 of helping traffic her,

00:51:11.860 of sexually abusing her.

00:51:13.360 at least three times

00:51:15.180 a long time ago.

00:51:18.900 And there is one photograph

00:51:20.580 of the two of them,

00:51:22.080 Virginia and Prince Andrew,

00:51:23.720 allegedly at Ghislaine Maxwell's

00:51:25.140 home in the UK.

00:51:27.500 Some have suggested

00:51:28.540 it's a fake.

00:51:29.120 Prince Andrew said that.

00:51:30.340 And Ghislaine Maxwell

00:51:31.160 providing some support

00:51:32.600 for that.

00:51:32.980 Here she is last night.

00:51:34.160 I don't believe it's real

00:51:36.760 for a second.

00:51:37.800 In fact,

00:51:38.140 I'm sure it's not.

00:51:39.380 There's never been

00:51:39.920 an original.

00:51:41.180 And further,

00:51:42.360 there's no photograph.

00:51:44.200 And I've only ever seen

00:51:45.240 a photocopy of it.

00:51:47.100 She doesn't believe

00:51:48.380 it's real.

00:51:49.100 She thinks it's fake.

00:51:51.120 And this news breaks

00:51:52.860 as we hear that Prince Andrew

00:51:53.900 may be seeking to undo

00:51:55.180 the settlement agreement

00:51:56.100 that he entered into

00:51:57.380 with Giuffre

00:51:57.940 a couple years back.

00:51:59.320 What do you make of all of it?

00:52:00.760 Well,

00:52:01.200 there's so much to say.

00:52:02.180 And one is,

00:52:02.680 you talk about

00:52:03.640 Ghislaine Maxwell

00:52:04.560 giving him help from jail.

00:52:06.460 I'm not sure how helpful

00:52:07.500 her interview is.

00:52:09.460 She's a convicted felon.

00:52:12.200 And what she has to say

00:52:13.100 about the photograph,

00:52:14.360 I mean,

00:52:15.340 people connected to Andrew

00:52:16.720 have been trying to put across

00:52:17.740 this image for a long time

00:52:18.900 that the picture may be a fake.

00:52:21.020 But they've never come up

00:52:21.920 with any evidence.

00:52:23.200 And when my sister newspaper,

00:52:24.960 the Sunday Times,

00:52:26.080 looked at it,

00:52:27.460 that they got,

00:52:28.260 you know,

00:52:28.780 photographic

00:52:29.420 and computer experts

00:52:30.540 to look at the picture

00:52:31.920 and see if there's

00:52:32.660 any evidence of photoshopping.

00:52:34.520 And they couldn't find it.

00:52:35.620 So they've had a long time

00:52:37.580 in which to,

00:52:38.380 you know,

00:52:38.680 pull apart this photograph

00:52:39.740 and show it's not

00:52:40.780 what it is meant to be.

00:52:42.100 And they failed to do so.

00:52:43.420 So I'm not sure

00:52:44.480 how much credibility

00:52:45.540 we give to that.

00:52:47.140 I'm not sure how much use

00:52:48.760 Ghislaine Maxwell's intervention

00:52:49.820 is to Andrew.

00:52:51.300 Well,

00:52:51.720 and they were always friends,

00:52:52.760 were they not?

00:52:53.260 I mean,

00:52:53.400 this is sort of how

00:52:54.320 he came into the orbit

00:52:56.060 of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:52:57.160 It was through

00:52:57.980 Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:52:59.640 That's right.

00:53:00.080 They've been friends

00:53:00.840 for a long time.

00:53:01.560 They've had a close relationship.

00:53:04.040 And it was through her

00:53:06.460 that he met

00:53:07.380 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:53:08.160 Yeah.

00:53:09.320 So, yeah.

00:53:10.040 So she's got some knowledge

00:53:11.300 of the relationship

00:53:12.080 and she is to,

00:53:13.340 in some ways,

00:53:13.860 be blamed

00:53:14.400 for the relationship

00:53:15.700 and the introduction

00:53:16.360 and whatever royal exposure

00:53:18.480 Jeffrey Epstein had.

00:53:20.540 It's sort of bizarre

00:53:21.600 to hear her speaking up

00:53:22.600 from behind bars.

00:53:23.540 She did also weigh in

00:53:25.440 for the sake of the audience

00:53:26.380 on whether she believes

00:53:27.920 Jeffrey Epstein

00:53:28.680 actually killed himself.

00:53:30.400 Here's a little bit of that.

00:53:31.380 I believe that he was

00:53:34.680 murdered.

00:53:37.560 Well, shocked.

00:53:39.380 And I wondered

00:53:39.960 how has it happened?

00:53:42.040 Well, obviously,

00:53:42.560 I'd never met him

00:53:43.480 because I didn't know

00:53:44.740 that he was

00:53:47.640 so awful.

00:53:49.560 I mean, obviously,

00:53:52.460 now, looking back

00:53:54.220 with hindsight,

00:53:55.420 of course,

00:53:56.760 but at the time,

00:53:59.060 I mean,

00:53:59.320 he had lots of friends.

00:54:00.500 I mean,

00:54:00.620 he was friendly with

00:54:02.520 just about everybody

00:54:05.000 you can imagine.

00:54:06.900 There she is

00:54:07.720 with Talk TV.

00:54:08.780 I didn't know

00:54:09.940 he was so awful.

00:54:11.780 Of course,

00:54:12.100 the jury has found

00:54:12.940 something very different

00:54:13.900 and has found

00:54:14.480 that she was awful

00:54:15.180 in her own right.

00:54:16.500 What is going on here?

00:54:17.760 Why is she doing this?

00:54:19.280 What do you think

00:54:19.980 are the dynamics

00:54:20.640 behind this?

00:54:23.080 You know,

00:54:24.300 maybe she's working

00:54:25.300 up to an appeal,

00:54:26.040 perhaps.

00:54:26.400 I don't know

00:54:26.780 what on earth

00:54:27.420 she hopes to achieve

00:54:28.280 by that.

00:54:28.980 And coming out

00:54:29.780 with this stuff

00:54:30.320 about, you know,

00:54:30.900 I didn't know

00:54:31.320 how awful he was.

00:54:32.880 I mean,

00:54:33.220 come on.

00:54:33.780 She was his

00:54:34.320 right-hand woman

00:54:35.260 for all those years.

00:54:36.400 She was procuring

00:54:37.880 these young girls.

00:54:38.960 She was stopping

00:54:40.000 young girls in the street

00:54:41.100 and getting them

00:54:42.120 to come into his

00:54:43.540 harem, as it were.

00:54:44.900 I mean,

00:54:45.340 the idea that she

00:54:46.180 didn't know

00:54:46.860 is just laughable.

00:54:48.640 She's pursuing

00:54:50.900 the he-didn't-kill-himself

00:54:52.340 thing, right,

00:54:52.980 that he was murdered.

00:54:53.940 A lot of people

00:54:54.580 continue to believe that.

00:54:56.780 I mean,

00:54:56.980 I will say

00:54:57.500 that the attorney general

00:54:58.420 at the time,

00:54:59.160 Bill Barr,

00:54:59.720 under President Trump,

00:55:00.860 says he personally

00:55:02.100 reviewed the tapes

00:55:03.840 of the jail

00:55:04.680 that night

00:55:05.820 on the night

00:55:06.240 in question

00:55:06.660 and there was

00:55:07.460 no entry

00:55:08.660 of another person

00:55:09.920 onto the floor

00:55:11.600 where Jeffrey Epstein

00:55:12.420 was being kept

00:55:13.140 and he is 100%

00:55:14.460 assured

00:55:15.900 that Jeffrey Epstein

00:55:17.840 was not murdered.

00:55:19.500 However,

00:55:20.920 famed pathologist

00:55:22.540 Dr. Michael Bodden

00:55:23.520 was on Fox News

00:55:24.360 last night

00:55:24.900 saying the following

00:55:26.860 to Tucker Carlson,

00:55:27.980 sought more.

00:55:29.340 I was present

00:55:30.440 at the autopsy

00:55:31.420 and there were

00:55:33.260 three fractures

00:55:34.660 in the windpipe

00:55:35.620 that are much more

00:55:37.680 typical of crush injury

00:55:39.320 from homicidal

00:55:41.020 strangulation

00:55:41.820 than from hanging.

00:55:42.940 Hemorrhages in the eyes,

00:55:44.160 again,

00:55:44.560 more typical

00:55:46.220 of homicide

00:55:48.080 and the ligature

00:55:50.920 imprint on the neck

00:55:53.000 didn't match

00:55:54.520 the ligature

00:55:56.180 that was present

00:55:56.980 in the cell.

00:55:58.000 So I thought

00:55:58.400 that made it

00:56:00.200 more likely

00:56:00.940 that this was

00:56:02.220 a homicide

00:56:02.660 but we never got

00:56:03.940 to find out

00:56:05.460 how the body

00:56:06.440 was found.

00:56:07.420 Was he found hanging

00:56:08.280 or not,

00:56:08.780 for example,

00:56:09.800 because the two

00:56:10.480 guards were sleeping

00:56:12.580 and the body

00:56:13.480 was just cut down

00:56:14.340 and brought out

00:56:15.020 to a hospital

00:56:15.900 where he was

00:56:16.340 pronounced dead?

00:56:18.840 Ghislaine Maxwell

00:56:19.660 suggesting it was

00:56:20.460 murder as well.

00:56:21.520 I mean,

00:56:21.740 she of all people

00:56:22.500 would know

00:56:23.180 what secrets

00:56:24.660 he had

00:56:25.640 that had not yet

00:56:26.840 been revealed

00:56:27.620 upon his death,

00:56:28.760 Valentine.

00:56:30.940 Absolutely.

00:56:31.640 I'm sure she knows

00:56:32.260 an awful lot

00:56:33.000 which she'll never tell.

00:56:35.320 I mean,

00:56:35.560 but, you know,

00:56:36.400 in a way,

00:56:37.220 the secrets

00:56:37.880 are not the important

00:56:39.120 thing.

00:56:39.440 We know enough

00:56:41.020 the truth

00:56:42.020 that's already out

00:56:43.000 there is damning

00:56:43.640 enough

00:56:43.960 without us

00:56:45.300 being reliant

00:56:45.900 on further secrets.

00:56:48.220 So I think,

00:56:48.900 you know,

00:56:49.400 we need more

00:56:50.920 than too much

00:56:51.400 what Ghislaine

00:56:51.920 and Maxwell

00:56:52.300 hasn't told

00:56:52.860 because what's

00:56:54.500 been told already

00:56:55.220 is just damning

00:56:56.720 enough.

00:56:57.960 What do you make

00:56:58.700 of how this

00:56:59.580 has landed

00:57:00.100 for Prince Andrew?

00:57:01.520 Because I hear

00:57:02.540 these reports

00:57:03.140 now that he wants

00:57:03.720 to undo

00:57:04.280 the settlement

00:57:04.840 agreement he entered

00:57:05.700 into with Virginia

00:57:06.500 Giuffre,

00:57:07.520 that wasn't

00:57:09.180 that long ago

00:57:09.980 that they entered

00:57:11.320 into that agreement.

00:57:12.980 Potentially,

00:57:13.600 they said he was

00:57:14.500 trying to head off

00:57:15.120 trouble before

00:57:16.020 the Queen's

00:57:16.680 Platinum Jubilee

00:57:17.540 and the Queen

00:57:18.560 didn't want

00:57:19.240 this lawsuit

00:57:20.360 in the news

00:57:21.860 and so he paid

00:57:23.200 off Virginia

00:57:23.740 Giuffre to go away.

00:57:25.280 There are reports

00:57:25.840 it was maybe

00:57:26.440 $10 million

00:57:27.080 and she did

00:57:29.240 go away

00:57:29.640 and then there

00:57:30.020 was a voluntarily

00:57:30.900 agreed to gag order

00:57:32.660 between the two

00:57:33.160 of them for some

00:57:33.820 12 months.

00:57:34.600 We're getting

00:57:34.960 to the end

00:57:35.380 of that.

00:57:35.860 February will

00:57:36.440 be the end

00:57:36.800 of it.

00:57:37.440 But I'll tell

00:57:38.080 you,

00:57:38.260 as a lawyer,

00:57:38.880 Valentine,

00:57:39.200 there is no way

00:57:39.820 he's undoing

00:57:40.300 that settlement

00:57:40.680 agreement.

00:57:41.160 He has zero

00:57:42.020 grounds to undo

00:57:42.800 that settlement.

00:57:43.480 He reportedly

00:57:44.100 is looking at

00:57:44.740 what happened

00:57:45.040 with Alan

00:57:45.440 Dershowitz,

00:57:46.500 who I believe

00:57:47.200 100%

00:57:47.920 Virginia

00:57:48.260 Giuffre

00:57:48.600 falsely

00:57:49.700 accused.

00:57:51.020 And he's a

00:57:51.840 lawyer,

00:57:52.220 a famous one,

00:57:52.880 so he fought.

00:57:53.640 He fought tooth

00:57:54.300 and nail

00:57:54.700 and he got her

00:57:55.760 to essentially

00:57:56.260 admit,

00:57:56.860 oh,

00:57:56.960 I may have

00:57:57.340 misremembered

00:57:58.140 when it comes

00:57:58.800 to you.

00:57:59.740 Reportedly,

00:58:00.820 Prince Andrew

00:58:01.200 saw that and said,

00:58:02.520 hey,

00:58:03.440 I like your

00:58:04.300 outcome better

00:58:04.820 than I like

00:58:05.240 my outcome.

00:58:06.320 And Dershowitz

00:58:06.880 is reportedly

00:58:07.460 advising him

00:58:08.500 behind the scenes.

00:58:09.920 I don't see

00:58:10.340 any legal grounds

00:58:10.940 for him to undo

00:58:11.820 this thing.

00:58:12.280 But how do you

00:58:13.100 think it's landed

00:58:13.760 for Prince Andrew?

00:58:16.220 I think what you

00:58:17.020 have to remember

00:58:17.480 about Prince Andrew

00:58:18.520 is he's none

00:58:19.120 too bright.

00:58:20.380 And he's reliant

00:58:21.700 on the advice

00:58:22.240 he gets.

00:58:23.200 And I don't think

00:58:23.920 he's been getting

00:58:24.320 the best advice.

00:58:25.080 I think he's

00:58:26.240 very close

00:58:27.440 to his lawyer,

00:58:28.920 his lawyer

00:58:29.820 basically

00:58:31.400 even telling him

00:58:32.240 what he thinks

00:58:33.160 Andrew wants to hear.

00:58:34.340 And he's been

00:58:34.820 constantly been

00:58:35.660 telling him

00:58:36.300 that,

00:58:36.880 you know,

00:58:37.440 Andrew,

00:58:37.840 you can,

00:58:38.360 you know,

00:58:39.300 recover your life

00:58:40.220 as a member

00:58:41.560 of the royal family

00:58:42.460 when that's just

00:58:43.620 not going to happen.

00:58:45.020 That's cloud cuckoo land.

00:58:47.240 So,

00:58:47.460 yes,

00:58:47.660 you're completely

00:58:48.240 right that Andrew

00:58:49.080 hasn't got a hope

00:58:49.700 in hell

00:58:50.180 of overturning

00:58:52.880 this.

00:58:54.160 And,

00:58:54.460 you know,

00:58:55.320 we just know

00:58:56.420 this from the

00:58:56.980 journalists who

00:58:57.960 interviewed

00:58:58.460 William Maxwell

00:58:59.000 and Daphne Barak

00:58:59.720 that that's

00:59:01.140 what they want

00:59:01.580 to do.

00:59:03.320 But,

00:59:03.820 you know,

00:59:03.960 we've heard

00:59:04.400 all this optimistic

00:59:05.600 talk before

00:59:06.540 from Andrew,

00:59:07.320 you know,

00:59:08.060 or from Andrew's

00:59:08.980 associates that,

00:59:10.300 you know,

00:59:10.760 he'll be back

00:59:12.060 as a member

00:59:12.540 of the royal family

00:59:13.200 but he'll overturn

00:59:13.780 the legal case.

00:59:15.480 It's just nonsense.

00:59:16.880 And I think

00:59:17.240 there are really

00:59:18.280 two things about Andrew.

00:59:19.560 There are two possibilities.

00:59:20.500 One is he slept

00:59:21.660 with Virginia Giuffre,

00:59:23.280 one is he didn't.

00:59:24.300 If he did,

00:59:25.680 he should have

00:59:26.260 admitted it straight

00:59:27.080 at the beginning

00:59:27.860 and he would have

00:59:29.280 come in for some

00:59:29.820 criticism

00:59:30.300 but he would not

00:59:31.560 have gone through

00:59:32.120 all this pain.

00:59:33.360 And if he didn't,

00:59:34.500 he should have done

00:59:35.060 a better job

00:59:35.680 of fighting it.

00:59:37.820 I think,

00:59:38.920 obviously,

00:59:39.360 the jubilee

00:59:40.120 was an issue

00:59:42.760 in the decision

00:59:44.220 to settle

00:59:44.780 but I don't think

00:59:45.900 the Queen

00:59:46.480 herself

00:59:48.120 would have put

00:59:48.800 pressure on Andrew

00:59:50.020 not for one second.

00:59:52.140 She loved her son

00:59:53.040 and she wanted

00:59:53.400 to do right

00:59:53.920 by him

00:59:54.440 and the idea

00:59:57.320 of her saying

00:59:57.960 to him,

00:59:58.700 settle this case,

01:00:00.080 make it all go away

01:00:00.880 in order not to

01:00:02.160 spoil my lovely jubilee,

01:00:03.860 that's not the way

01:00:04.840 it would have worked

01:00:05.300 in my opinion.

01:00:06.340 Who would have

01:00:06.860 made him do it

01:00:07.880 if anyone?

01:00:08.420 I think Andrew

01:00:14.760 won't be listening

01:00:16.200 to advice

01:00:16.660 from the palace,

01:00:17.260 certainly.

01:00:17.600 He's got a long

01:00:18.140 track record

01:00:18.660 of not listening

01:00:19.500 to advice

01:00:19.920 from the palace.

01:00:20.900 He just has

01:00:21.320 a very,

01:00:21.960 very small group

01:00:22.720 of one or two

01:00:23.140 people around him

01:00:23.960 who he listens to

01:00:25.000 and I think

01:00:27.180 they told him

01:00:28.000 to settle

01:00:28.500 because they thought

01:00:29.520 he was going to lose.

01:00:31.360 Maybe they know

01:00:33.000 more than we do.

01:00:33.680 Certainly,

01:00:34.060 they know more

01:00:34.440 than we do

01:00:34.980 about what proof

01:00:36.320 there is

01:00:36.820 but Virginia Giuffre,

01:00:38.220 with all due respect

01:00:39.140 because she was

01:00:39.960 trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein,

01:00:41.280 I have zero doubt of that,

01:00:42.840 but she's a very

01:00:43.920 problematic witness

01:00:45.020 for anybody

01:00:46.640 representing her.

01:00:47.840 Her stories

01:00:48.400 have been

01:00:49.220 all over the board.

01:00:50.920 Her fundamental

01:00:52.400 memories about,

01:00:53.700 I remember

01:00:54.320 because I was 16,

01:00:56.200 she then would

01:00:56.940 completely state

01:00:57.660 the opposite

01:00:58.260 not long thereafter,

01:00:59.980 under oath testimony

01:01:01.000 that was diametrically

01:01:02.040 opposed to earlier

01:01:02.880 under oath testimony

01:01:03.780 by her.

01:01:05.080 This is one of the

01:01:06.740 things that

01:01:07.080 Alan Dershowitz

01:01:07.660 took the time

01:01:08.200 to actually figure out

01:01:09.260 and fought her

01:01:10.440 and he came on my show

01:01:12.600 early on

01:01:13.100 when we launched

01:01:13.580 this show,

01:01:14.000 Valentine,

01:01:14.360 we talked about

01:01:15.080 some of the evidence

01:01:16.080 about her.

01:01:17.340 This is how

01:01:17.740 Alan Dershowitz

01:01:18.400 got pulled into

01:01:19.140 the Virginia Giuffre story

01:01:20.580 and the left

01:01:21.660 here in America

01:01:22.260 is still holding

01:01:23.120 this against him

01:01:23.860 as though he's

01:01:24.640 another Jeffrey Epstein,

01:01:26.200 Alan Dershowitz.

01:01:26.900 It's a lie.

01:01:27.920 It's not true

01:01:28.740 and even now

01:01:30.560 his accuser

01:01:31.140 has said

01:01:31.440 she may have

01:01:31.880 misremembered.

01:01:33.040 So Virginia Giuffre

01:01:34.460 was writing

01:01:35.020 to a journalist

01:01:35.720 who had helped her,

01:01:37.760 who had interviewed

01:01:38.420 her years before

01:01:39.220 and she was helping

01:01:40.540 Virginia Giuffre

01:01:41.260 sell a book

01:01:42.000 and Virginia Giuffre

01:01:43.900 said,

01:01:44.240 can you help me?

01:01:45.420 You know,

01:01:45.620 my brain feels like mush

01:01:46.760 and I'd love to remember

01:01:48.620 more about

01:01:49.280 what you and I discussed

01:01:51.040 when you interviewed

01:01:51.780 me years ago

01:01:52.460 and this woman

01:01:53.620 responds to her,

01:01:54.980 Sharon Churcher,

01:01:56.140 saying,

01:01:56.600 don't forget

01:01:57.180 Alan Dershowitz,

01:01:58.860 Epstein's buddy

01:01:59.480 lawyer.

01:02:00.020 Good name

01:02:00.380 for your pitch

01:02:01.180 for her book

01:02:02.440 as he represented

01:02:03.680 Klaus von Bülow

01:02:05.100 and a movie

01:02:06.100 was made about that case.

01:02:07.260 The title was

01:02:07.720 Reversal of Fortune.

01:02:08.980 We all suspect

01:02:10.160 Alan is a pedo

01:02:11.320 though no proof of that.

01:02:13.620 You probably met him

01:02:14.860 when he was hanging out

01:02:15.900 with Epstein.

01:02:17.100 That is how

01:02:17.620 Alan's name got

01:02:18.480 mentioned by

01:02:19.580 Virginia Giuffre

01:02:20.440 and I'd love to see

01:02:22.300 the background of how

01:02:23.220 Prince Andrew

01:02:24.500 was mentioned.

01:02:25.040 I realize Prince Andrew

01:02:25.820 is not that popular

01:02:26.740 in the UK

01:02:27.120 but I really don't know

01:02:28.380 whether he's being

01:02:28.980 railroaded in this

01:02:30.160 same way.

01:02:31.980 Yeah, I mean,

01:02:32.380 that's extraordinary

01:02:32.920 what you told me

01:02:33.680 about Dershowitz.

01:02:34.280 I hadn't heard that

01:02:34.940 before but of course

01:02:36.280 the difference is

01:02:36.740 with Andrew,

01:02:37.620 we have this picture

01:02:38.540 and the picture is,

01:02:40.600 you know,

01:02:41.500 it's not damning

01:02:42.300 but it's suggestive,

01:02:43.180 isn't it?

01:02:44.120 And as we've already

01:02:45.240 said,

01:02:45.720 there hasn't been

01:02:47.180 any evidence yet.

01:02:47.980 People suggest

01:02:48.980 it's fake

01:02:49.380 but there hasn't been

01:02:49.880 any evidence

01:02:50.560 it's fake.

01:02:53.020 And we can't trust

01:02:54.000 the word of Ghislaine Maxwell

01:02:55.000 at all.

01:02:56.100 At all.

01:02:57.360 And Virginia,

01:02:58.040 Virginia is only 17 years old

01:03:00.620 in that picture

01:03:01.920 when she met

01:03:02.440 Prince Andrew reportedly

01:03:03.280 so this is

01:03:03.900 hence one of the reasons

01:03:05.580 why it becomes a scandal.

01:03:07.240 Well,

01:03:07.560 we'll continue to follow that

01:03:08.580 but you heard it here first.

01:03:10.120 In order to undo

01:03:10.700 that settlement agreement

01:03:11.440 he would have to prove

01:03:12.280 it was the product of fraud,

01:03:14.240 duress,

01:03:15.140 mistake,

01:03:15.800 or accident.

01:03:17.220 And duress means

01:03:17.900 like someone's got a gun

01:03:18.760 to your head

01:03:19.240 and they're saying

01:03:19.800 you will sign it

01:03:20.700 or you will get,

01:03:22.020 you know,

01:03:22.200 this gun will go off.

01:03:23.560 It's not like

01:03:24.260 oh gee,

01:03:24.920 the royal family

01:03:25.580 really made me do it.

01:03:26.580 Like that's not going to do it.

01:03:28.620 So he's not going to undo

01:03:29.720 that settlement agreement.

01:03:30.840 Yeah.

01:03:31.760 Okay.

01:03:32.280 So let's switch over

01:03:33.100 to your book

01:03:33.760 which I thought was amazing.

01:03:35.400 When the first excerpts

01:03:36.840 were released in the UK

01:03:37.940 I was riveted

01:03:39.520 and that's when I said

01:03:40.240 I must meet

01:03:41.280 Valentine Lowe.

01:03:42.400 He's got to come on the show

01:03:43.340 so thank you so much

01:03:44.180 for being here

01:03:45.100 to walk us through

01:03:45.640 some of it.

01:03:46.680 You are the person

01:03:47.520 who broke the whole

01:03:48.920 Meghan Markle

01:03:49.520 bullying scandal.

01:03:50.920 And one of the things

01:03:51.780 I think is most interesting

01:03:52.820 about this is

01:03:53.740 Prince Harry

01:03:54.520 on his recent media tour

01:03:55.620 went on about

01:03:56.600 oh,

01:03:57.280 so obvious

01:03:58.340 that the palace

01:03:59.740 starts talking

01:04:00.440 about her bullying

01:04:01.320 right before

01:04:02.920 the Oprah interview.

01:04:04.060 I mean,

01:04:04.240 you'd have to be stupid

01:04:05.180 to believe

01:04:06.040 this was not

01:04:06.700 a made up attempt

01:04:08.020 at maligning

01:04:10.160 Meghan unfairly.

01:04:11.740 But the truth is

01:04:13.060 you've seen

01:04:14.140 the documents.

01:04:15.600 There are

01:04:16.200 papers

01:04:17.120 in which

01:04:18.180 this behavior

01:04:18.800 is documented

01:04:19.720 going back to

01:04:20.820 correct me if I'm wrong

01:04:22.060 I think it's

01:04:22.520 October of 2018.

01:04:24.900 This was not

01:04:25.660 a made up scandal

01:04:27.560 because she went

01:04:28.700 on Oprah.

01:04:30.780 No,

01:04:31.240 so a couple of things

01:04:32.440 to say that

01:04:32.920 yes,

01:04:33.240 the original

01:04:34.800 memo

01:04:35.760 making the

01:04:36.960 bullying accusation

01:04:38.200 was in October

01:04:39.040 of 2018.

01:04:40.760 First of all,

01:04:41.520 Harry's,

01:04:41.960 you know,

01:04:42.220 talks about

01:04:42.640 the palace

01:04:43.760 and this is

01:04:45.320 an allegation

01:04:46.340 that Meghan's

01:04:47.900 lawyers made

01:04:48.560 when they

01:04:49.100 responded to me

01:04:49.880 that this

01:04:50.660 was clearly

01:04:52.240 an attempt

01:04:52.900 to smear

01:04:53.420 by Buckingham Palace.

01:04:55.660 And that's,

01:04:56.640 you know,

01:04:57.100 obviously I'm not going

01:04:57.720 to get into

01:04:58.100 my sources

01:04:59.020 for the story,

01:04:59.900 but that's a ludicrous

01:05:00.900 allegation

01:05:01.520 because if you read

01:05:02.560 what I wrote,

01:05:03.620 the Buckingham Palace

01:05:04.520 does not emerge

01:05:05.340 well for this.

01:05:06.420 They messed up.

01:05:07.680 They messed up

01:05:08.520 because they did

01:05:09.440 nothing.

01:05:10.220 These allegations

01:05:10.980 of bullying

01:05:11.460 were made

01:05:12.060 and they did

01:05:13.060 absolutely nothing.

01:05:14.180 They just sat

01:05:14.840 in it.

01:05:16.420 So the idea

01:05:17.100 that Buckingham Palace

01:05:18.440 should put this

01:05:19.120 out is just

01:05:20.660 a joke.

01:05:22.280 The other thing

01:05:22.880 is the timing

01:05:23.540 of the story.

01:05:25.460 When I wrote

01:05:26.260 that story

01:05:26.780 in March

01:05:27.780 of 2021,

01:05:30.140 I did a lot

01:05:30.900 of immediate

01:05:31.400 interviews

01:05:31.940 and also

01:05:33.200 when I wrote

01:05:33.960 in the Times,

01:05:34.540 I was completely

01:05:35.880 up front

01:05:36.480 that the timing

01:05:37.580 was connected

01:05:38.320 to Oprah.

01:05:39.220 and the reason

01:05:40.240 why is because

01:05:41.700 the victims

01:05:42.940 of the bullying,

01:05:44.060 they wanted

01:05:44.560 their story

01:05:45.060 out there.

01:05:46.920 They wanted

01:05:47.900 the world

01:05:48.940 to know

01:05:49.400 that there's

01:05:50.700 Meghan

01:05:51.040 portraying herself

01:05:52.220 as a victim

01:05:53.160 of the palace

01:05:54.340 essentially.

01:05:55.440 They wanted

01:05:55.820 to say

01:05:56.080 that there are

01:05:56.500 other victims

01:05:57.120 out here.

01:05:58.280 If they

01:05:58.800 put their story

01:06:00.080 out after Oprah,

01:06:01.800 it just would

01:06:02.660 have been lost

01:06:03.220 in the noise.

01:06:04.020 No one would

01:06:04.380 have paid

01:06:04.660 any attention

01:06:05.320 and it also

01:06:06.260 would have

01:06:06.720 come across

01:06:08.360 as sour grapes.

01:06:09.220 So the only

01:06:10.480 way to make

01:06:11.300 sure they

01:06:11.640 got heard

01:06:12.220 was to make

01:06:12.900 sure their

01:06:13.260 story came

01:06:13.860 out before

01:06:15.420 Oprah.

01:06:16.420 So it's

01:06:17.260 not some

01:06:17.620 evil palace

01:06:18.300 conspiracy.

01:06:19.040 It's just

01:06:19.440 the way

01:06:19.760 these young

01:06:21.860 people suffered

01:06:23.000 in their view

01:06:24.940 at the hands

01:06:25.580 of Meghan.

01:06:26.320 They just

01:06:26.940 wanted that

01:06:27.360 to be heard

01:06:27.740 by the rest

01:06:28.620 of the world.

01:06:30.180 And whereas

01:06:30.580 Meghan,

01:06:31.380 I mean,

01:06:31.640 we heard

01:06:32.040 from Gayle

01:06:32.680 King after

01:06:33.560 her best

01:06:34.220 friend Oprah

01:06:34.860 interviewed them,

01:06:36.300 Meghan has

01:06:37.020 the receipts.

01:06:37.800 she's got

01:06:38.980 the documentation

01:06:39.720 to prove

01:06:40.440 every claim

01:06:41.220 she made

01:06:41.680 in that

01:06:41.920 interview.

01:06:42.900 And yet

01:06:43.120 now we've

01:06:43.620 watched six

01:06:44.140 hours of

01:06:44.560 Netflix and

01:06:45.560 we've read

01:06:46.000 Prince Harry's

01:06:46.760 memoirs bear

01:06:47.520 and there are

01:06:48.440 no receipts.

01:06:49.060 There is

01:06:50.140 nothing to

01:06:50.760 prove that

01:06:51.640 the royal

01:06:51.980 family has

01:06:52.580 a racist

01:06:53.200 who's concerned

01:06:54.380 about how

01:06:54.980 dark the

01:06:55.420 baby's skin

01:06:56.040 is going

01:06:56.540 to be

01:06:57.040 or these

01:06:58.240 other

01:06:58.440 allegations

01:06:58.880 that she

01:06:59.400 said to

01:06:59.820 Oprah.

01:07:00.940 However,

01:07:01.740 you do

01:07:02.480 have receipts.

01:07:04.320 You claim in

01:07:04.900 the book to

01:07:05.360 have seen

01:07:05.880 receipts,

01:07:06.820 so to

01:07:07.060 speak,

01:07:07.400 of the

01:07:07.820 bullying,

01:07:08.720 including

01:07:09.160 you write

01:07:10.080 as follows.

01:07:10.760 On October

01:07:11.280 26th,

01:07:12.340 2018,

01:07:13.600 just as

01:07:13.920 Harry and

01:07:14.220 Meghan were

01:07:14.540 flying from

01:07:15.140 Tonga to

01:07:15.660 Sydney for

01:07:16.540 the Invictus

01:07:17.060 Games,

01:07:18.140 Jason,

01:07:18.540 is it

01:07:18.800 Knopf?

01:07:19.300 Is that how

01:07:19.500 you pronounce

01:07:19.840 his name?

01:07:21.240 Jason Knopf,

01:07:22.720 who worked

01:07:24.300 for a time,

01:07:26.200 he worked

01:07:26.540 for William,

01:07:28.000 Kate,

01:07:28.380 and Harry,

01:07:29.200 and then he

01:07:29.560 split off to

01:07:30.220 just William

01:07:30.860 and Kate

01:07:31.260 after things

01:07:31.740 went south

01:07:32.300 with Meghan

01:07:33.320 and Harry.

01:07:34.020 Knopf wrote

01:07:35.660 an email

01:07:36.100 to his

01:07:36.460 immediate

01:07:36.720 boss,

01:07:37.120 Simon Case,

01:07:37.920 Prince

01:07:38.140 William's

01:07:38.600 private

01:07:38.820 secretary,

01:07:39.400 saying he

01:07:40.220 had spoken

01:07:40.600 to the

01:07:40.880 head of

01:07:41.120 HR for

01:07:41.700 the palace,

01:07:42.320 again,

01:07:42.620 this is

01:07:42.840 2018,

01:07:43.920 about,

01:07:44.180 quote,

01:07:44.660 some very

01:07:45.160 serious

01:07:45.600 problems

01:07:46.080 concerning

01:07:46.520 Meghan's

01:07:46.940 behavior.

01:07:47.640 He wrote,

01:07:48.160 quote,

01:07:48.880 I am very

01:07:49.480 concerned that

01:07:50.200 the Duchess

01:07:50.660 was able to

01:07:51.340 bully two

01:07:51.940 PAs out

01:07:52.640 of the

01:07:52.820 household

01:07:53.260 in the

01:07:53.940 past year.

01:07:55.160 The Duchess

01:07:55.640 seems intent

01:07:56.340 on always

01:07:57.040 having someone

01:07:57.860 in her

01:07:58.660 sights.

01:07:59.560 She is

01:07:59.920 bullying

01:08:00.300 X,

01:08:01.120 name withheld

01:08:01.800 by author,

01:08:02.580 and seeking

01:08:03.080 to undermine

01:08:03.580 her confidence.

01:08:04.680 We have

01:08:04.840 report after

01:08:05.580 report from

01:08:06.220 people who

01:08:06.600 have witnessed

01:08:07.000 unacceptable

01:08:07.620 behavior toward

01:08:08.840 X,

01:08:09.340 despite the

01:08:09.860 universal views

01:08:10.520 from her

01:08:10.820 colleagues that

01:08:11.260 she's a

01:08:11.540 leading talent

01:08:12.160 within the

01:08:12.780 household who's

01:08:13.420 delivering

01:08:13.780 first-rate

01:08:14.620 work.

01:08:16.340 Knopf,

01:08:16.680 who's in

01:08:17.060 daily contact

01:08:17.600 with the

01:08:17.900 staff,

01:08:18.340 went on to

01:08:18.660 say that

01:08:19.040 the tour

01:08:19.280 was very

01:08:19.760 challenging

01:08:20.220 and was

01:08:20.680 made worse

01:08:21.320 by the

01:08:21.660 behavior of

01:08:22.920 the Duchess

01:08:23.640 and goes

01:08:24.580 on from

01:08:25.420 there,

01:08:25.820 saying the

01:08:26.160 situation

01:08:26.640 is very

01:08:27.900 serious.

01:08:29.120 So did

01:08:29.480 you actually

01:08:30.440 get to see

01:08:31.080 this memo,

01:08:31.760 Valentine?

01:08:32.000 I had

01:08:34.920 that memo

01:08:35.740 read out

01:08:37.280 to me,

01:08:37.600 I didn't

01:08:37.860 physically

01:08:38.260 see it,

01:08:39.640 but I

01:08:40.000 have also,

01:08:41.880 my source

01:08:42.700 also showed

01:08:44.760 me,

01:08:45.400 should we

01:08:45.640 say,

01:08:45.840 physical

01:08:46.200 evidence of

01:08:47.100 other

01:08:47.440 conversations

01:08:48.240 backing up

01:08:50.020 the

01:08:50.780 allegation

01:08:53.000 of bullying

01:08:53.460 and testimony

01:08:56.340 from members

01:08:57.480 of staff

01:08:58.040 about the

01:08:59.100 effect that

01:08:59.540 Megan's

01:08:59.840 behavior had

01:09:00.440 on them.

01:09:01.600 People talking

01:09:02.520 about how

01:09:03.800 they were

01:09:04.100 shaking with

01:09:05.420 fear because

01:09:06.560 they anticipated

01:09:07.420 getting a

01:09:09.220 roasting from

01:09:09.920 Megan and

01:09:11.180 how they felt

01:09:11.740 physically sick.

01:09:14.160 It was

01:09:15.120 obviously not

01:09:15.860 a healthy

01:09:16.220 working

01:09:16.580 atmosphere.

01:09:17.100 there was

01:09:19.760 one point

01:09:20.820 when one

01:09:22.700 member of

01:09:23.980 staff was

01:09:24.640 trying to

01:09:26.840 do something

01:09:27.500 at a

01:09:28.280 meeting that

01:09:28.680 Megan was

01:09:29.780 trying to

01:09:30.320 explain why

01:09:30.940 something was

01:09:31.360 difficult.

01:09:32.580 And Megan

01:09:32.860 said to

01:09:33.280 her,

01:09:34.020 don't worry,

01:09:35.300 if there's

01:09:35.660 literally anyone

01:09:36.920 else I can

01:09:37.660 get to do

01:09:38.120 this,

01:09:38.540 I would.

01:09:39.560 And that

01:09:40.060 poor person

01:09:40.640 was absolutely

01:09:41.500 crushed.

01:09:43.060 And just

01:09:43.580 one of the

01:09:44.020 many examples

01:09:44.800 were completely

01:09:47.140 squashed by

01:09:47.840 Megan.

01:09:48.840 And a

01:09:49.720 short while

01:09:50.100 later,

01:09:50.640 Prince William

01:09:51.200 saw this

01:09:52.360 person in

01:09:52.720 the corridor

01:09:53.180 and said,

01:09:55.520 oh,

01:09:55.800 look,

01:09:56.000 listen,

01:09:56.400 I hear you've

01:09:58.140 been having

01:09:58.320 a bit of a

01:09:59.060 bad time.

01:09:59.960 I'm really

01:10:00.300 sorry,

01:10:00.680 but I just

01:10:01.200 want you to

01:10:01.500 know you're

01:10:01.780 doing a

01:10:02.040 really great

01:10:02.440 job.

01:10:03.280 And they

01:10:03.640 just burst

01:10:04.200 into tears.

01:10:04.920 It was just

01:10:06.280 so broken

01:10:07.920 at that point.

01:10:08.560 People were

01:10:09.260 broken.

01:10:10.700 Walk us

01:10:11.180 through,

01:10:12.060 tell us a

01:10:12.720 little bit,

01:10:13.020 because the

01:10:13.380 book is about

01:10:13.940 all the

01:10:14.240 people around

01:10:14.940 the royal

01:10:15.360 family,

01:10:15.940 courtiers.

01:10:17.460 Walk us

01:10:18.000 through who

01:10:18.580 these people

01:10:19.060 are,

01:10:19.440 not in

01:10:19.700 terms of

01:10:20.020 identity,

01:10:20.660 but when

01:10:21.280 I read

01:10:21.620 this,

01:10:21.880 part of

01:10:22.120 me asked

01:10:22.440 myself,

01:10:23.240 why is

01:10:23.520 everybody

01:10:23.760 always crying

01:10:24.320 around her?

01:10:24.980 Either she's

01:10:25.460 terrible,

01:10:26.320 or these are

01:10:26.700 a bunch of

01:10:27.080 snowflakes,

01:10:27.840 right?

01:10:28.020 Like,

01:10:28.140 are these

01:10:28.360 snowflakes?

01:10:29.140 Are these

01:10:29.500 just weak,

01:10:30.460 need people

01:10:31.700 serving the

01:10:32.740 royal family

01:10:33.320 who need to

01:10:33.960 toughen up a

01:10:34.480 little?

01:10:35.940 No,

01:10:36.320 they're not

01:10:37.200 snowflakes.

01:10:38.000 And let me

01:10:38.600 tell you a bit

01:10:39.040 about the

01:10:39.880 two people who

01:10:41.840 were closest to

01:10:43.200 Harry and

01:10:43.580 Meghan in the

01:10:44.340 period we're

01:10:44.700 talking about.

01:10:45.920 So their

01:10:46.320 private secretary

01:10:47.140 was an

01:10:47.800 Australian

01:10:48.260 woman called

01:10:49.440 Samantha Cohen,

01:10:50.300 who worked for

01:10:50.900 the Queen for a

01:10:51.360 long time,

01:10:52.940 incredibly able,

01:10:55.400 popular,

01:10:57.020 the Queen loved

01:10:57.680 her,

01:10:57.960 very tough as

01:10:59.580 well,

01:11:00.240 and very

01:11:00.500 imaginative,

01:11:01.120 people.

01:11:02.120 And everyone

01:11:03.740 liked Sam.

01:11:05.640 And the

01:11:06.320 communications

01:11:06.980 person was

01:11:07.980 a woman called

01:11:09.120 Sarah Latham,

01:11:09.680 who has a

01:11:10.840 dual US and

01:11:12.620 UK nationality,

01:11:14.800 and very

01:11:16.900 tough, very

01:11:17.460 experienced

01:11:18.040 media professional.

01:11:19.120 And these two

01:11:19.960 people, so first

01:11:21.160 of all, there's a

01:11:21.800 point to be made

01:11:22.460 that they're not

01:11:23.780 stuffy old

01:11:24.460 Brits.

01:11:25.580 It's the idea

01:11:26.300 that the wicked

01:11:26.940 old palace,

01:11:27.680 tweedy old

01:11:28.700 courtiers,

01:11:29.660 crushing the

01:11:30.400 spirit of

01:11:31.400 free,

01:11:31.860 you know,

01:11:33.340 free,

01:11:33.720 free thinking

01:11:35.440 Meghan.

01:11:36.020 That's just not

01:11:36.540 true.

01:11:37.480 And the other is

01:11:38.160 that they

01:11:38.880 believed,

01:11:39.640 they believed in

01:11:40.680 it in the

01:11:41.160 beginning.

01:11:41.540 They were very

01:11:42.400 much on Harry

01:11:43.160 and Meghan's

01:11:43.700 side,

01:11:44.520 and they wanted

01:11:46.020 to make it

01:11:46.500 work,

01:11:47.340 and they did

01:11:47.820 everything they

01:11:48.280 could to make

01:11:48.840 it work.

01:11:49.260 But by the

01:11:50.160 end of it,

01:11:51.440 they and

01:11:52.420 other people

01:11:54.060 who work for

01:11:54.420 Harry and

01:11:54.740 Meghan were

01:11:55.120 calling themselves

01:11:55.800 the Sussex

01:11:56.440 Survivors Club.

01:11:58.300 They were

01:11:58.600 saying things

01:11:59.260 like they were

01:11:59.660 describing Meghan

01:12:00.640 as a

01:12:02.080 narcissistic

01:12:02.840 sociopath.

01:12:04.480 And in one

01:12:05.620 incredibly telling

01:12:06.500 phrase, they

01:12:08.020 said, we

01:12:09.320 were played.

01:12:10.900 They felt they

01:12:11.920 were manipulated

01:12:13.200 by Meghan and

01:12:14.180 let down by

01:12:14.900 her.

01:12:15.700 So, you

01:12:16.360 know, it all

01:12:17.300 started off with

01:12:17.900 the best of

01:12:18.380 intentions.

01:12:19.260 And it just

01:12:20.180 collapsed amid

01:12:21.220 such acrobat.

01:12:22.740 You know, Prince

01:12:23.780 Harry on his

01:12:24.700 recent media tour

01:12:26.020 talks about how

01:12:27.500 this is all

01:12:28.480 made up, about

01:12:29.660 how Meghan was

01:12:30.700 the most giving,

01:12:32.020 gentle boss

01:12:33.020 one could ever

01:12:34.180 ask for inside

01:12:35.240 the palace, how

01:12:35.920 she was sharing

01:12:37.380 all the perfume

01:12:38.560 and the clothing

01:12:39.380 and the gifts

01:12:40.140 that she received

01:12:40.900 from outside

01:12:41.540 vendors, which

01:12:42.680 we know from

01:12:44.040 your reporting

01:12:44.600 and others, she

01:12:45.420 wasn't supposed

01:12:45.920 to accept, but

01:12:46.720 she was getting

01:12:47.900 it and sharing

01:12:48.540 it with the

01:12:48.940 staff.

01:12:49.460 She was baking

01:12:50.340 them cupcakes

01:12:51.100 and cakes for

01:12:51.960 their birthdays.

01:12:53.340 She was just

01:12:54.000 a Mother Earth

01:12:55.140 over the staff,

01:12:56.440 the way Harry

01:12:56.920 tells it.

01:12:57.780 Not true?

01:12:59.460 Yeah, look, you

01:13:00.060 could be Mother

01:13:01.260 Earth on one

01:13:02.160 hand and a

01:13:04.160 bit of a bully

01:13:04.600 on the other.

01:13:05.280 I mean, the two

01:13:05.840 can walk hand

01:13:07.440 in hand.

01:13:09.700 I think Meghan,

01:13:10.640 you know, when

01:13:11.800 she was being

01:13:12.240 lovely, she was

01:13:12.980 being lovely, but

01:13:13.740 she could also,

01:13:14.820 you know, if

01:13:15.220 these reports

01:13:15.780 are true, could

01:13:16.980 be very, very

01:13:17.640 difficult.

01:13:18.780 And, you

01:13:19.000 know, Harry, in

01:13:20.080 his book, he

01:13:20.840 talks very briefly

01:13:22.840 about the bullying.

01:13:23.480 It's interesting how

01:13:24.440 little he goes

01:13:25.360 into it.

01:13:25.760 He doesn't feel

01:13:27.260 the need to

01:13:28.240 address it too

01:13:29.040 seriously.

01:13:30.180 But he says they

01:13:31.040 produced something

01:13:32.060 like, I think it

01:13:32.840 was a 20 or 25

01:13:33.880 page dossier of

01:13:35.360 evidence.

01:13:36.680 Well, I'd love to

01:13:37.320 see that because

01:13:38.180 I'm not sure that

01:13:40.540 it would really

01:13:41.340 address the

01:13:41.860 question.

01:13:42.060 But Meghan, this

01:13:43.740 is absolutely

01:13:44.320 typical Meghan.

01:13:45.300 She responds

01:13:47.160 to things with

01:13:47.960 just a deluge

01:13:49.740 of words.

01:13:51.340 In her court

01:13:52.020 case against

01:13:52.620 the British

01:13:53.380 newspaper, the

01:13:54.280 Mail on Sunday,

01:13:55.000 which she

01:13:55.480 accused of

01:13:57.320 breach of

01:13:57.700 privacy and

01:13:58.860 copyright when

01:13:59.680 it published

01:14:00.320 excerpts from a

01:14:01.880 letter she wrote

01:14:02.380 to her father.

01:14:03.220 This is a case

01:14:03.860 that she won,

01:14:04.420 by the way.

01:14:04.740 You should point

01:14:05.060 that out.

01:14:06.420 But in that

01:14:07.380 court case,

01:14:07.920 she basically

01:14:10.880 said that she

01:14:11.740 hadn't

01:14:12.300 collaborated

01:14:13.380 with a

01:14:15.820 biography about

01:14:17.060 Harry and

01:14:17.860 Meghan finding

01:14:18.860 freedom.

01:14:20.640 And then Jason

01:14:21.500 Pernal submitted

01:14:22.540 his own

01:14:22.960 statement to

01:14:23.820 the court and

01:14:25.900 said, well,

01:14:27.420 actually, she

01:14:28.500 did in the

01:14:29.200 sense that she

01:14:29.860 briefed me to

01:14:31.400 talk to these

01:14:31.920 authors and she

01:14:32.800 gave me talking

01:14:34.220 points.

01:14:34.940 She listed a

01:14:36.380 series of points

01:14:37.200 that she wanted

01:14:37.820 me to brief

01:14:38.520 the authors

01:14:39.220 on.

01:14:40.100 So then

01:14:40.560 Meghan just

01:14:41.580 produces another

01:14:43.280 witness statement

01:14:44.000 and it's just

01:14:44.820 pages and pages

01:14:46.140 long justifying

01:14:47.340 herself, including

01:14:49.780 saying, oh,

01:14:51.020 yeah, sorry,

01:14:52.840 yeah, I forgot

01:14:53.300 about that.

01:14:54.080 I forgot.

01:14:56.500 One of the

01:14:57.740 tabloids in

01:14:58.460 Britain did a

01:15:00.500 fantastic front

01:15:01.280 page inspired by

01:15:02.940 some children's

01:15:03.560 books that were

01:15:04.220 popular here a

01:15:04.840 few years back

01:15:06.120 and it was

01:15:07.020 called Little

01:15:07.600 Miss

01:15:07.840 Forgetful.

01:15:10.180 Really?

01:15:10.800 Yeah.

01:15:12.460 That's a

01:15:13.000 kindness to

01:15:13.920 suggest it

01:15:14.500 actually was

01:15:15.000 forgetfulness.

01:15:15.780 That is a

01:15:16.120 kindness.

01:15:16.760 I mean, that's

01:15:17.260 an obvious lie.

01:15:18.560 And it's one of

01:15:18.940 the reasons why

01:15:19.580 the mail was

01:15:20.200 saying this is

01:15:21.240 an absurd

01:15:21.680 decision.

01:15:22.480 You know,

01:15:22.700 she's lied

01:15:23.700 repeatedly.

01:15:24.420 She's lying

01:15:24.900 about her

01:15:25.800 participation in

01:15:26.640 the press

01:15:27.060 around this

01:15:27.620 letter and in

01:15:28.740 general.

01:15:29.540 And the

01:15:29.980 court, I

01:15:30.500 really think

01:15:31.060 the court

01:15:31.320 reached the

01:15:31.660 wrong decision

01:15:32.140 in that

01:15:32.440 case by

01:15:33.900 allowing her

01:15:34.640 to claim her

01:15:35.440 privacy had

01:15:35.960 been violated

01:15:36.460 when she was

01:15:37.080 the one who

01:15:37.500 helped put it

01:15:38.700 out there.

01:15:39.480 In any event,

01:15:40.600 the thing about

01:15:41.940 Meghan is

01:15:42.340 interesting, and

01:15:42.800 before we get

01:15:43.260 to Harry,

01:15:43.720 because one of

01:15:44.840 the biggest

01:15:45.080 revelations I

01:15:45.700 found in your

01:15:46.100 book was how

01:15:47.200 obsessed Harry

01:15:48.900 is, not just

01:15:50.400 about Meghan's

01:15:51.000 press, about

01:15:52.320 his own, about

01:15:53.740 him, about his

01:15:55.100 standing as

01:15:56.500 the spare, as

01:15:57.420 like, how are

01:15:58.020 they going to

01:15:58.260 write about him?

01:15:58.740 Is he going to

01:15:59.040 stay relevant?

01:16:00.060 So we'll get to

01:16:00.520 that in one

01:16:00.840 second.

01:16:01.080 But before we

01:16:01.680 leave this

01:16:02.760 particular subject,

01:16:04.040 you write in

01:16:04.720 the book that

01:16:05.220 Meghan's obsession

01:16:07.120 with her own

01:16:07.800 press in

01:16:10.000 connection with

01:16:10.500 her relationship

01:16:10.940 with Harry began

01:16:11.720 very early, and

01:16:13.220 he might have

01:16:13.660 been one of the

01:16:14.080 first people she

01:16:14.760 bullied when you

01:16:16.660 claim that she

01:16:17.680 demanded he go

01:16:19.960 out there and

01:16:21.200 announce that she

01:16:22.360 was his girlfriend

01:16:23.000 and start picking

01:16:24.360 fights with the

01:16:25.240 media to clean

01:16:26.420 up her press

01:16:27.000 coverage.

01:16:28.740 Yeah.

01:16:29.140 I mean, I'm

01:16:30.760 going to be fair

01:16:31.200 to them, I

01:16:32.240 think they

01:16:32.860 probably had a

01:16:34.180 bit of a rough

01:16:34.640 time when her

01:16:35.480 name first

01:16:36.140 appeared as

01:16:37.580 his girlfriend.

01:16:38.900 Yeah, suddenly

01:16:39.420 she's got the

01:16:40.040 whole press

01:16:41.020 camping on her

01:16:42.020 doorstep in

01:16:42.620 Toronto.

01:16:44.160 Everyone she's

01:16:45.100 ever known, every

01:16:45.860 boyfriend, every

01:16:46.760 member of her

01:16:47.260 family is being

01:16:49.060 approached by

01:16:50.640 journalists.

01:16:51.200 Yeah, that's a

01:16:53.020 rough introduction.

01:16:54.600 She loved it,

01:16:55.860 Valentine.

01:16:56.660 No, it wasn't.

01:16:57.640 I totally disagree

01:16:58.760 with you, but go

01:16:59.700 ahead.

01:17:00.220 Okay, well, we'll

01:17:01.320 have to do that.

01:17:04.200 But, yeah, they

01:17:05.980 wanted to stop

01:17:07.120 that intrusive

01:17:08.900 coverage and what

01:17:09.840 they saw as the

01:17:10.660 bad behavior of the

01:17:12.340 media.

01:17:13.740 And Meghan also

01:17:14.580 said, yeah, you've

01:17:16.160 got to acknowledge

01:17:16.640 me as your

01:17:17.040 girlfriend.

01:17:17.660 And, you know,

01:17:18.940 I've been told that

01:17:20.320 she threatened to

01:17:21.760 dump him.

01:17:22.260 That's what Harry

01:17:23.380 was frightened

01:17:24.000 of, that she

01:17:24.960 would break off

01:17:25.620 the relationship

01:17:26.260 unless he

01:17:27.880 acknowledged in

01:17:29.280 this statement

01:17:29.780 that she was

01:17:31.300 his girlfriend.

01:17:32.720 And she, there

01:17:37.120 was a hint of

01:17:38.280 what was to come.

01:17:39.880 And she said to

01:17:40.740 a senior member

01:17:41.280 of the staff, you

01:17:42.400 know, I know

01:17:43.820 how this works.

01:17:44.900 You don't care

01:17:45.480 about the

01:17:45.840 girlfriend.

01:17:46.920 So she was

01:17:47.800 already putting a

01:17:48.560 sort of combative

01:17:49.180 spin on it then.

01:17:50.140 And laying

01:17:53.580 the seeds of

01:17:55.220 a narrative about

01:17:56.960 her rejection.

01:17:58.760 And some of

01:17:59.480 those people who

01:18:00.100 worked for Harry

01:18:01.300 and Meghan said

01:18:02.760 that, you know,

01:18:03.460 she always wanted

01:18:04.260 to be rejected.

01:18:05.920 And that's what

01:18:06.280 this is all about.

01:18:06.500 That's so

01:18:06.680 interesting.

01:18:07.560 Yes, I read that

01:18:08.220 in your book where

01:18:09.000 they were saying

01:18:10.460 we're so dumb.

01:18:11.640 We always knew

01:18:12.300 that the media

01:18:13.740 coverage was going

01:18:14.760 to depend on her

01:18:15.880 happiness.

01:18:16.460 Her happiness was

01:18:17.160 going to drive

01:18:17.600 everything.

01:18:18.020 What we didn't

01:18:18.940 realize was she

01:18:20.740 wasn't interested

01:18:21.460 in happiness.

01:18:22.380 She wanted to

01:18:23.660 be rejected.

01:18:24.620 That was the

01:18:25.240 whole narrative

01:18:25.800 she was trying

01:18:26.400 to sew from

01:18:26.940 the beginning.

01:18:28.540 Yeah, that's

01:18:29.000 right.

01:18:29.180 That's what

01:18:29.400 they're saying.

01:18:30.280 Why?

01:18:30.960 Why?

01:18:31.480 Why did she

01:18:32.140 want to do

01:18:32.440 that?

01:18:35.120 If I could

01:18:36.180 delve into the

01:18:37.840 psychology of

01:18:38.620 Meghan, I would.

01:18:40.220 But it's

01:18:41.540 very funny.

01:18:43.080 She could have

01:18:43.880 done so much

01:18:44.660 good in that

01:18:45.240 job.

01:18:45.560 Because when

01:18:46.540 she first

01:18:46.960 arrived, I

01:18:47.520 thought she

01:18:47.900 was a breath

01:18:48.380 of fresh air.

01:18:49.300 I thought she

01:18:49.680 was really

01:18:49.960 interesting.

01:18:51.200 She did some

01:18:51.720 good things.

01:18:52.460 And I thought

01:18:53.480 it would do

01:18:53.980 the royal family

01:18:54.760 a lot of

01:18:55.540 good if

01:18:56.440 someone a

01:18:57.280 bit different

01:18:57.800 came in.

01:18:59.900 She'd had a

01:19:00.520 proper career.

01:19:01.920 She was

01:19:02.200 American.

01:19:02.720 She was

01:19:02.920 divorced.

01:19:03.520 She had

01:19:03.720 this special

01:19:04.360 background.

01:19:05.060 I thought it

01:19:05.800 would shake

01:19:06.640 up the royal

01:19:07.100 family.

01:19:07.900 And she did

01:19:08.500 things which

01:19:08.900 were terrific.

01:19:10.320 But she

01:19:11.640 just wanted

01:19:12.540 everything on

01:19:13.120 her own

01:19:13.440 terms and

01:19:14.280 wasn't prepared

01:19:15.840 to compromise.

01:19:17.620 And it's so

01:19:18.560 much more fun

01:19:19.280 when you are a

01:19:19.980 woke American

01:19:20.960 to be the

01:19:21.620 victim than

01:19:22.600 the victor.

01:19:23.740 It's a

01:19:24.100 sickness infecting

01:19:25.360 far too many

01:19:26.020 people in my

01:19:26.540 country and

01:19:26.960 yours.

01:19:27.720 Stand by,

01:19:28.280 because up

01:19:28.720 next, what I

01:19:29.520 really found to

01:19:30.160 be the most

01:19:30.580 revealing part of

01:19:31.680 Valentine's book

01:19:32.480 about Harry,

01:19:33.860 the guy is

01:19:34.660 obsessed.

01:19:35.700 With whom?

01:19:36.840 With his

01:19:37.180 little nephew,

01:19:38.220 Prince George,

01:19:38.860 who's coming

01:19:39.640 up behind

01:19:40.080 him and

01:19:40.520 is going

01:19:40.740 to be more

01:19:41.060 relevant than

01:19:41.540 he is very

01:19:42.040 soon.

01:19:42.780 Stand by

01:19:43.180 for that.

01:19:46.660 So,

01:19:47.160 Valentine,

01:19:47.760 the subject

01:19:48.340 of Harry,

01:19:49.160 there's been

01:19:49.640 a lot of

01:19:50.160 discussion about

01:19:51.120 whether,

01:19:51.840 you know,

01:19:53.160 Meghan did

01:19:53.680 this to him.

01:19:55.280 You know,

01:19:55.620 hearing him

01:19:56.260 read this

01:19:56.780 book and

01:19:57.380 how just

01:19:58.460 absurd he

01:20:00.120 sounded in

01:20:00.920 some of the

01:20:01.320 passages.

01:20:02.640 What a

01:20:03.720 complainer,

01:20:04.740 what a

01:20:05.120 whiner,

01:20:05.800 how he

01:20:06.080 can't stop

01:20:06.860 with the

01:20:07.200 media.

01:20:07.560 And a

01:20:08.640 lot of

01:20:08.960 people believe

01:20:09.620 she did

01:20:10.260 this to

01:20:10.600 him.

01:20:12.940 I think

01:20:13.760 your book

01:20:14.200 reveals he

01:20:15.500 was like

01:20:16.660 this long

01:20:17.720 before he

01:20:18.240 met Meghan

01:20:18.760 and then

01:20:20.040 she

01:20:20.360 exacerbated

01:20:21.320 it.

01:20:21.900 Can you

01:20:22.160 talk about

01:20:22.760 how obsessed

01:20:24.380 he was with

01:20:25.320 his media

01:20:26.060 coverage and

01:20:27.100 his relevance

01:20:28.340 before she

01:20:29.540 ever came

01:20:29.960 into the

01:20:30.260 picture?

01:20:31.620 Yeah.

01:20:32.220 I think

01:20:33.920 what happened

01:20:34.800 is those

01:20:35.960 two found

01:20:36.840 each other.

01:20:37.680 They both

01:20:38.060 have a

01:20:38.340 profound

01:20:38.740 sense of

01:20:39.280 victimhood

01:20:39.880 and they

01:20:42.760 fed off

01:20:43.920 each other

01:20:44.340 and it

01:20:44.680 just spiraled.

01:20:46.780 But yeah,

01:20:47.820 he's long

01:20:48.500 had,

01:20:50.820 I'd

01:20:51.400 characterize it

01:20:52.340 slightly differently

01:20:52.940 to the way

01:20:53.360 you characterize

01:20:53.840 it.

01:20:54.300 He's long

01:20:54.780 had a deep

01:20:56.200 hatred and

01:20:56.960 mistrust

01:20:57.400 of the media

01:20:57.900 which is

01:20:58.740 incredibly

01:20:59.460 understandable

01:21:00.060 and I think

01:21:00.760 in a funny

01:21:01.700 way I'd

01:21:02.120 think the

01:21:02.920 less of him

01:21:03.540 if he

01:21:04.100 didn't

01:21:04.480 because of

01:21:05.140 what happened

01:21:05.560 to his

01:21:05.820 mother and

01:21:06.560 the way

01:21:06.820 the media

01:21:07.220 treated his

01:21:08.220 mother,

01:21:08.980 the way

01:21:09.220 they pursued

01:21:09.960 her.

01:21:10.220 I mean,

01:21:10.380 yes,

01:21:10.600 she also

01:21:11.040 encouraged

01:21:11.800 them because

01:21:12.220 she colluded

01:21:12.780 with the

01:21:13.040 media,

01:21:13.280 we all

01:21:13.540 know that,

01:21:14.480 but she

01:21:15.880 couldn't go

01:21:16.440 anywhere without

01:21:17.100 being chased

01:21:17.680 by the

01:21:18.080 paps and

01:21:19.580 we all

01:21:19.920 know the

01:21:20.600 role that

01:21:21.020 they played

01:21:21.560 in her

01:21:22.020 death.

01:21:23.720 So his

01:21:24.040 hatred and

01:21:24.480 mistrust

01:21:24.800 of the

01:21:24.980 media is

01:21:25.320 perfectly

01:21:25.740 understandable,

01:21:26.920 but it's

01:21:27.200 very interesting

01:21:27.820 to contrast

01:21:29.500 it with

01:21:29.940 his brother,

01:21:30.660 William,

01:21:31.500 who basically

01:21:33.140 also hates

01:21:33.760 the media

01:21:34.160 really,

01:21:34.820 deep down,

01:21:35.940 but he's

01:21:36.280 learnt how

01:21:37.400 to deal

01:21:37.760 with it,

01:21:38.140 he's learnt

01:21:38.500 how to

01:21:38.860 come to

01:21:39.160 an accommodation

01:21:39.780 because he

01:21:40.180 realises

01:21:40.580 they're not

01:21:41.440 going to

01:21:41.660 go away

01:21:42.180 and also

01:21:43.880 they're not

01:21:44.260 all bad,

01:21:44.920 I mean,

01:21:46.140 the entire

01:21:46.720 gout of

01:21:47.140 media is

01:21:47.840 not the

01:21:48.340 same as

01:21:48.880 the paps

01:21:50.000 who chased

01:21:51.120 his mother

01:21:51.540 and were

01:21:52.840 around at

01:21:53.400 the beginning

01:21:53.600 of Harry

01:21:53.860 and Meghan,

01:21:54.720 but of course

01:21:55.180 Harry doesn't

01:21:56.480 recognise

01:21:57.000 subtle,

01:21:57.440 Harry doesn't

01:21:59.040 really do

01:21:59.340 shades of

01:21:59.820 grey,

01:22:00.220 he does

01:22:00.420 black and

01:22:00.860 white and

01:22:01.880 the whole

01:22:02.240 media is

01:22:02.720 awful and

01:22:03.300 evil.

01:22:05.080 So anything

01:22:06.140 that the

01:22:07.740 media got

01:22:08.240 wrong,

01:22:08.800 he would

01:22:09.080 obsessively

01:22:09.840 want to

01:22:10.400 get it

01:22:10.660 corrected,

01:22:11.200 he was

01:22:11.860 always

01:22:12.880 absolutely

01:22:13.740 focused on

01:22:14.400 getting

01:22:15.480 things

01:22:15.800 corrected.

01:22:16.680 Even

01:22:17.040 when the

01:22:19.160 BBC

01:22:19.540 had

01:22:20.100 written,

01:22:21.240 there was

01:22:21.440 a comedy

01:22:22.300 panel show

01:22:23.500 and someone

01:22:24.380 made a

01:22:27.080 joke of

01:22:27.420 about Harry

01:22:27.820 and drugs,

01:22:29.700 he's got a

01:22:30.140 friend called

01:22:31.300 Sam Van

01:22:32.340 Cutsum and

01:22:33.340 someone made

01:22:33.880 a joke on

01:22:34.480 air about

01:22:35.580 Thomas Van

01:22:38.860 Cutsum and

01:22:39.420 Harry smokes

01:22:40.060 him,

01:22:41.400 which wasn't a

01:22:42.800 bad joke,

01:22:43.320 but Harry was

01:22:44.380 just furious and

01:22:45.380 he went to

01:22:45.820 such lengths to

01:22:47.380 get the BBC

01:22:48.060 to apologise,

01:22:50.500 including having a

01:22:52.180 big meeting with

01:22:52.920 someone very

01:22:53.420 senior in the

01:22:54.260 BBC,

01:22:55.180 who said,

01:22:57.240 in a way,

01:22:57.560 quite rightly,

01:22:58.300 this is comedy,

01:22:59.960 it's a joke,

01:23:00.680 you're not meant

01:23:01.040 to take it too

01:23:01.640 seriously.

01:23:02.520 Well,

01:23:02.680 that was where

01:23:03.260 Harry was

01:23:03.900 coming from.

01:23:06.100 So he

01:23:07.160 always hated

01:23:07.960 the BBC,

01:23:08.280 always wanted

01:23:08.640 to get things

01:23:09.200 corrected.

01:23:11.160 But there was

01:23:13.160 so much else

01:23:14.120 going on with

01:23:14.860 him, even

01:23:15.360 before Meghan

01:23:16.020 turned up.

01:23:16.640 So he

01:23:17.300 always had

01:23:18.740 this mistrust

01:23:20.580 of the

01:23:21.600 courtiers from

01:23:22.340 the other

01:23:22.700 households, from

01:23:23.760 Buckingham Palace,

01:23:24.560 the Queen's

01:23:25.080 headquarters, and

01:23:25.880 from Clarence's

01:23:27.060 house, which was

01:23:27.680 his father, Prince

01:23:28.440 Charles' headquarters.

01:23:29.580 He just really

01:23:30.760 didn't trust them

01:23:31.520 at all.

01:23:33.280 And he was

01:23:33.620 always giving

01:23:37.000 loyalty tests

01:23:38.380 to his staff.

01:23:40.400 He was always

01:23:41.000 saying, you

01:23:41.480 know, are you

01:23:42.980 helping me on

01:23:43.580 this or are you

01:23:44.540 one of them?

01:23:45.160 And one of

01:23:46.160 them meant, you

01:23:47.260 know, the

01:23:47.620 other courtiers,

01:23:48.320 the other

01:23:48.540 households who

01:23:49.260 were, in his

01:23:50.260 view, compromised

01:23:51.220 and didn't

01:23:52.780 really have

01:23:53.200 his best

01:23:54.580 interest at

01:23:55.340 heart.

01:23:56.960 But his

01:23:57.280 other thing

01:23:57.760 was he had

01:23:59.100 an obsession

01:23:59.520 with his

01:23:59.920 shelf life.

01:24:02.520 Because, you

01:24:03.140 know, Harry,

01:24:04.140 for all his

01:24:04.960 faults, Harry's

01:24:05.460 got a lot of

01:24:05.880 good points.

01:24:06.540 And he wanted

01:24:06.940 to use his

01:24:07.560 position, this

01:24:09.120 privileged

01:24:09.560 position as a

01:24:10.300 member of the

01:24:10.660 royal family, to

01:24:11.600 do good in the

01:24:12.180 world.

01:24:12.820 And we saw

01:24:13.420 that in Victor's

01:24:14.860 Games, where

01:24:15.600 in the United

01:24:16.480 States, in

01:24:17.200 Colorado Springs,

01:24:18.400 you saw the

01:24:19.440 Warrior Games,

01:24:20.740 injured and

01:24:22.000 otherwise disabled

01:24:23.740 ex-service people

01:24:24.760 to take part in

01:24:26.180 sort of

01:24:26.360 Paralympic-style

01:24:27.520 games.

01:24:28.020 He thought that

01:24:28.460 was a terrific

01:24:28.920 idea.

01:24:29.880 And basically, he

01:24:30.440 was going to

01:24:30.840 steal it and

01:24:31.900 make it

01:24:32.240 international.

01:24:34.680 And he did

01:24:35.340 it incredibly

01:24:36.760 quickly.

01:24:37.260 it was like

01:24:39.320 less than a

01:24:40.000 year from

01:24:40.560 seeing the

01:24:41.120 Warrior Games

01:24:41.820 to when the

01:24:42.640 first Invictus

01:24:43.500 Games happened

01:24:44.560 in London.

01:24:45.460 So he's got a

01:24:46.440 lot of energy,

01:24:48.120 he's got a lot

01:24:48.700 of passion,

01:24:49.400 he wants to

01:24:49.980 do good.

01:24:51.220 But he

01:24:51.820 thinks, with

01:24:53.460 some justification,

01:24:55.940 that there's a

01:24:57.140 limited time in

01:24:57.980 which he can do

01:24:58.520 all that.

01:24:58.940 because, you

01:25:00.800 know, when he

01:25:01.640 becomes middle

01:25:02.620 aged, when

01:25:04.120 young royals

01:25:05.300 are coming up

01:25:06.460 the inside

01:25:07.520 track, people

01:25:08.540 aren't going to

01:25:08.940 be interested in

01:25:09.580 him, was his

01:25:10.660 view.

01:25:11.720 And so, you

01:25:12.380 know, as he

01:25:13.680 would put it,

01:25:14.320 by the time

01:25:14.800 Prince George

01:25:15.380 is 18,

01:25:16.380 everyone's going

01:25:16.880 to be focusing

01:25:17.320 on George.

01:25:18.540 No one care

01:25:19.420 less about

01:25:20.280 Paul Young.

01:25:21.820 I mean, he's

01:25:22.800 not wrong.

01:25:24.120 We want to

01:25:24.480 even know about

01:25:24.980 George and

01:25:25.580 Charlotte and

01:25:26.080 Louis now.

01:25:27.080 Never mind when

01:25:27.780 they're actually

01:25:28.380 becoming a

01:25:28.900 age and they're

01:25:29.400 adults and

01:25:29.980 George is

01:25:30.560 getting closer

01:25:31.100 to his role

01:25:31.900 in the hierarchy.

01:25:33.740 But to me,

01:25:34.620 this is so

01:25:35.040 interesting because

01:25:35.720 in part, it

01:25:36.420 explains why he

01:25:37.200 chose her.

01:25:38.160 It's no

01:25:38.560 actress.

01:25:39.220 It's no

01:25:39.560 accident he

01:25:40.300 wound up with

01:25:40.860 an American

01:25:41.300 actress.

01:25:42.360 The sizzle

01:25:43.000 of it, her

01:25:44.140 B-list fame,

01:25:46.380 her ability to

01:25:47.340 navigate the

01:25:48.200 camera.

01:25:49.300 It wasn't just,

01:25:50.260 oh, I need

01:25:50.540 somebody who can

01:25:51.120 do that here in

01:25:52.240 Great Britain because

01:25:53.060 we'll be the

01:25:53.540 subject of the

01:25:54.660 photographers.

01:25:55.540 It was, I

01:25:56.580 want another

01:25:57.160 social climber.

01:25:58.020 I think he was

01:25:58.600 a trap.

01:25:58.940 He had it

01:25:59.480 too.

01:26:01.600 I'm not sure

01:26:02.360 I agree with

01:26:02.780 that.

01:26:03.060 I mean, I

01:26:03.300 don't think

01:26:03.720 Harry craves

01:26:05.200 attention for the

01:26:06.100 sake of it.

01:26:06.540 I don't think

01:26:06.960 he wants the

01:26:09.120 spotlight to

01:26:11.540 shine on him

01:26:11.980 just for his

01:26:12.480 own sake.

01:26:13.100 I think he

01:26:13.600 always wanted

01:26:14.460 it to do

01:26:15.720 good.

01:26:16.560 I think he

01:26:17.100 and his wife

01:26:17.960 are slightly

01:26:18.700 different in

01:26:19.120 that respect.

01:26:20.440 Well, how do

01:26:20.760 you explain

01:26:21.160 Spare?

01:26:21.440 It was a

01:26:25.220 long

01:26:25.540 howl of

01:26:26.100 anguish

01:26:26.500 is what

01:26:26.860 Spare was.

01:26:27.760 I mean, just

01:26:28.380 to read it,

01:26:29.380 it's such a

01:26:30.440 sad book.

01:26:33.800 He's so

01:26:34.440 damaged and

01:26:36.000 reading about

01:26:37.560 his fractured

01:26:38.460 family relations,

01:26:39.780 it's quite an

01:26:40.600 insight to

01:26:41.180 realize that

01:26:42.220 his relationship

01:26:43.840 with his

01:26:44.200 brother was

01:26:44.840 not nearly as

01:26:45.980 good as we

01:26:46.420 thought it was.

01:26:46.880 In the days

01:26:47.320 when we still

01:26:47.780 thought it was

01:26:48.140 good, it was

01:26:48.720 not nearly as

01:26:49.480 good as we

01:26:49.800 thought it

01:26:50.160 was.

01:26:53.160 Yeah, so

01:26:53.560 Harry just

01:26:54.880 wants to

01:26:55.640 complain about

01:26:56.440 the world,

01:26:58.160 cheaply about

01:26:58.640 the media and

01:26:59.280 also about his

01:26:59.840 family.

01:27:00.440 But I know

01:27:01.900 someone who

01:27:03.020 used to have

01:27:04.000 a lot of

01:27:05.640 dealings with

01:27:06.360 William, and

01:27:08.660 William would

01:27:09.620 occasionally bring

01:27:10.420 Harry along.

01:27:11.760 And this

01:27:12.040 person said to

01:27:12.720 me, the thing

01:27:13.640 that Harry was,

01:27:15.000 he's always

01:27:15.700 complaining.

01:27:16.980 He always saw

01:27:17.840 the negative

01:27:18.560 side of

01:27:19.000 things, and

01:27:19.440 you see

01:27:20.240 this in the

01:27:21.780 book, it's

01:27:22.180 negative,

01:27:22.620 negative,

01:27:23.020 negative.

01:27:25.200 And the

01:27:26.320 way he

01:27:26.740 portrayed, so

01:27:27.700 one of the

01:27:28.360 big, big

01:27:29.260 themes in

01:27:30.380 the book is

01:27:30.860 how awful

01:27:31.540 the media

01:27:32.000 are, you

01:27:33.860 can't trust

01:27:34.440 them, and

01:27:35.100 they portray

01:27:36.140 me and

01:27:36.760 Meghan in a

01:27:37.440 terrible light.

01:27:38.360 Well, for a

01:27:38.800 start, there

01:27:39.780 was much, much

01:27:40.660 more positive

01:27:41.220 coverage of

01:27:42.180 Meghan than

01:27:43.040 he gives

01:27:43.500 credit for

01:27:44.220 for a long

01:27:45.320 time.

01:27:45.800 Yes, it

01:27:46.120 started to

01:27:46.620 get critical,

01:27:47.780 but it was

01:27:48.060 much better

01:27:48.580 than he

01:27:48.940 thinks.

01:27:49.720 And there

01:27:50.080 are specific

01:27:51.000 instances, it's

01:27:51.940 very interesting,

01:27:53.240 where he

01:27:54.560 talks about

01:27:55.140 the coverage.

01:27:56.140 And there

01:27:56.420 was a time

01:27:57.000 they'd just

01:27:58.220 got married,

01:27:59.080 they'd been

01:27:59.360 on a

01:27:59.560 honeymoon, they

01:28:00.100 would come

01:28:00.380 back, and

01:28:01.320 Meghan goes

01:28:02.000 off and has

01:28:02.540 a day out

01:28:03.200 in the north

01:28:05.280 of England

01:28:05.840 with the

01:28:07.460 Queen, what

01:28:08.180 they call

01:28:08.500 an away

01:28:08.900 day.

01:28:09.620 And they

01:28:09.920 go up by

01:28:10.480 royal train,

01:28:11.500 which was

01:28:11.940 an unusual

01:28:12.620 thing, so

01:28:13.420 it was just

01:28:13.640 the Queen

01:28:13.980 and Meghan.

01:28:14.580 And I

01:28:14.800 remember

01:28:15.000 seeing them

01:28:15.480 off the

01:28:16.120 train, I

01:28:17.900 was there

01:28:18.240 on the

01:28:18.460 platform, and

01:28:20.180 it was a

01:28:20.520 big day, and

01:28:21.300 all the

01:28:21.580 reporters up

01:28:22.160 there were

01:28:22.800 all excited.

01:28:25.160 There was a

01:28:25.780 bit of a

01:28:26.980 kerfuffle about

01:28:27.720 getting out

01:28:28.220 the car at

01:28:28.700 one point,

01:28:29.160 who did the

01:28:30.380 Queen get in

01:28:31.400 or out first,

01:28:32.120 or was it

01:28:32.500 Meghan, you

01:28:33.040 know, there

01:28:33.660 was a slight

01:28:34.040 confusion.

01:28:34.840 And people

01:28:35.240 mentioned it

01:28:35.900 in their

01:28:36.160 reports.

01:28:37.660 But Harry

01:28:38.120 says it,

01:28:38.960 the press

01:28:39.800 portrayed the

01:28:41.300 day is

01:28:41.860 unmitigated

01:28:42.720 disaster.

01:28:43.880 And I

01:28:44.380 thought, hang

01:28:45.140 on, hang

01:28:45.580 on, hang

01:28:45.880 on.

01:28:46.080 I was

01:28:46.780 there, and

01:28:47.220 I wrote

01:28:47.820 it up, and

01:28:48.460 my colleagues

01:28:49.340 wrote it up.

01:28:49.880 Let me remind

01:28:51.040 myself.

01:28:51.640 And I looked

01:28:52.080 up every

01:28:52.940 single newspaper,

01:28:53.980 including the

01:28:54.560 newspapers that

01:28:55.700 Harry hates

01:28:56.360 the most,

01:28:57.120 papers in

01:28:58.300 Britain like

01:28:58.780 The Sun and

01:28:59.360 The Daily

01:28:59.700 Mail, which

01:29:00.260 really get

01:29:01.760 all his

01:29:02.320 absolute

01:29:02.940 invective.

01:29:05.400 And I

01:29:05.940 looked them

01:29:06.240 all up, and

01:29:07.000 they were all

01:29:07.660 glowingly

01:29:08.260 positive.

01:29:09.200 I mean, it

01:29:09.560 was a lovely

01:29:09.980 day, there

01:29:10.480 were lovely

01:29:10.860 pictures,

01:29:11.300 there was

01:29:11.680 a fantastic

01:29:12.280 picture of

01:29:13.740 the opening

01:29:14.560 of some

01:29:14.880 bridge, the

01:29:16.740 Queen and

01:29:17.280 Meghan sitting

01:29:17.740 there, and

01:29:18.160 they were

01:29:18.440 laughing, so

01:29:19.600 they were

01:29:20.040 having a

01:29:20.160 right old

01:29:20.480 giggle together.

01:29:21.400 You know

01:29:21.840 how people

01:29:23.740 who have

01:29:24.040 eating disorders

01:29:24.740 have body

01:29:25.820 dysmorphia?

01:29:26.860 He's got

01:29:27.400 press dysmorphia.

01:29:29.500 Yeah, I

01:29:30.400 think that's

01:29:30.740 a pretty good

01:29:31.120 way of putting

01:29:31.580 it.

01:29:32.880 Yeah, he

01:29:34.120 thinks we're

01:29:35.260 monsters, and

01:29:36.200 he only sees

01:29:36.780 the negative,

01:29:37.400 and he forgets

01:29:38.400 about the

01:29:38.720 positive.

01:29:40.000 And it's

01:29:40.500 really hurting

01:29:41.380 him.

01:29:41.940 It's hurting

01:29:42.420 her.

01:29:43.220 She's got

01:29:43.580 the same

01:29:43.920 thing.

01:29:44.500 It's hurting

01:29:45.060 her, too,

01:29:45.860 because your

01:29:46.720 book reveals

01:29:47.400 that she

01:29:48.340 actually thought

01:29:49.180 she was going

01:29:49.800 to be the

01:29:50.340 Beyonce of

01:29:51.880 the UK.

01:29:53.760 And instead,

01:29:54.920 what we saw,

01:29:56.220 well, their

01:29:56.860 approval ratings

01:29:57.680 in the UK

01:29:58.260 have been below

01:29:59.560 water for a

01:30:00.380 long time now.

01:30:01.120 The UK has

01:30:01.660 turned on

01:30:02.080 them.

01:30:02.680 But what we

01:30:03.180 saw this week

01:30:03.880 is so has

01:30:05.500 America.

01:30:06.880 Newsweek reporting

01:30:08.060 on a poll

01:30:08.900 just out

01:30:10.020 showing that

01:30:11.820 he has

01:30:12.500 fallen 45

01:30:13.660 points in

01:30:15.380 his approval

01:30:15.800 rating here

01:30:16.920 in America

01:30:17.540 is a 45

01:30:18.240 point swing

01:30:19.240 from where

01:30:20.080 he was,

01:30:20.720 and she

01:30:21.040 has fallen

01:30:21.420 36 points

01:30:22.540 since they've

01:30:24.040 decided to

01:30:25.040 do this

01:30:25.440 press tour,

01:30:26.380 the Netflix,

01:30:27.140 the spare,

01:30:27.860 all of it.

01:30:28.620 It's not

01:30:28.980 working,

01:30:29.640 because to

01:30:30.240 your point,

01:30:31.320 no one likes

01:30:31.980 a whiner.

01:30:32.620 They don't

01:30:32.980 like it even

01:30:33.560 from somebody

01:30:34.100 who has the

01:30:34.640 right to

01:30:35.040 whine,

01:30:35.340 and they

01:30:36.140 really don't

01:30:37.020 like it

01:30:37.500 from somebody

01:30:38.280 who's

01:30:38.560 complaining

01:30:38.900 about how

01:30:39.420 small their

01:30:39.880 castle is.

01:30:42.660 Yeah,

01:30:43.860 and they

01:30:44.740 wanted to

01:30:46.060 break away.

01:30:48.100 And sure,

01:30:48.720 if they

01:30:49.180 wanted to

01:30:49.740 air their

01:30:50.060 complaints,

01:30:50.620 air your

01:30:51.180 complaints once,

01:30:52.600 but you've

01:30:53.100 got to move

01:30:53.560 on.

01:30:54.000 You've got to

01:30:54.380 prove to the

01:30:55.840 world that

01:30:56.120 you've got

01:30:56.300 something

01:30:56.520 positive to

01:30:58.140 say and

01:30:58.900 positive to

01:30:59.620 contribute.

01:31:01.140 And,

01:31:01.600 well,

01:31:02.320 we've yet to

01:31:03.000 see that,

01:31:03.460 really.

01:31:04.720 Well,

01:31:04.780 don't you

01:31:05.040 think,

01:31:05.340 I've been

01:31:06.100 watching what's

01:31:06.560 happened with

01:31:07.100 Camilla,

01:31:07.700 and I'm

01:31:08.020 old enough

01:31:08.340 to have

01:31:08.620 lived through

01:31:09.060 that whole

01:31:09.400 thing when

01:31:10.420 she was

01:31:10.940 absolutely the

01:31:12.020 villain.

01:31:12.500 She was the

01:31:13.060 third party

01:31:13.500 in the

01:31:13.700 marriage.

01:31:14.700 The world

01:31:15.340 was on

01:31:15.700 Princess Diana's

01:31:16.560 side.

01:31:17.380 We all felt

01:31:17.960 her victimhood.

01:31:19.380 As time

01:31:20.040 goes on,

01:31:20.500 you learn more

01:31:20.880 facts,

01:31:21.280 and it becomes

01:31:21.700 a little bit

01:31:22.160 more complex.

01:31:23.840 But she

01:31:25.240 wasn't out

01:31:25.860 there complaining.

01:31:27.520 She took

01:31:28.040 her licks

01:31:28.540 for years,

01:31:30.780 and that

01:31:31.240 doesn't mean

01:31:31.680 she never

01:31:32.020 tried to

01:31:32.400 shape press

01:31:32.940 behind the

01:31:33.400 scenes.

01:31:33.980 But I never

01:31:34.800 saw her out

01:31:35.480 there doing

01:31:35.960 the woe is

01:31:36.620 me tour,

01:31:37.480 like these

01:31:38.080 two,

01:31:38.560 who haven't

01:31:39.400 had it anywhere

01:31:39.920 near as bad

01:31:41.020 as she's had

01:31:41.940 it, or as

01:31:42.400 many public

01:31:43.400 figures have

01:31:44.140 it when it

01:31:44.560 comes to the

01:31:45.120 media.

01:31:45.760 Over time,

01:31:46.460 my own

01:31:46.740 experience as a

01:31:47.360 public figure is

01:31:48.080 over time,

01:31:49.560 people will

01:31:50.080 actually grow to

01:31:50.800 respect you if

01:31:52.020 you just try to

01:31:52.960 stay above it,

01:31:54.200 take your

01:31:54.560 licks,

01:31:55.340 and move

01:31:56.120 on.

01:31:56.340 Yeah,

01:31:59.640 absolutely.

01:32:00.480 And, you

01:32:00.800 know,

01:32:01.300 Camilla,

01:32:02.540 she's tough

01:32:04.340 as anything.

01:32:05.280 I think she

01:32:05.740 felt a lot

01:32:06.540 of pain when

01:32:07.460 she was getting

01:32:07.980 all this

01:32:08.280 criticism.

01:32:08.900 She had

01:32:09.420 some pretty

01:32:09.860 dark moments,

01:32:11.160 but she

01:32:11.640 knuckled down

01:32:12.520 and did the

01:32:13.480 work,

01:32:13.860 and she

01:32:14.160 knew that

01:32:14.740 it would

01:32:15.700 take years

01:32:17.220 to rehabilitate

01:32:19.800 her image,

01:32:21.240 and that's

01:32:22.520 what she was

01:32:22.940 prepared to

01:32:23.500 do.

01:32:25.280 And Harry

01:32:25.840 and Meghan

01:32:26.200 kind of wanted

01:32:27.380 instant results,

01:32:29.360 and that's

01:32:30.980 not the way

01:32:31.860 it's going to

01:32:32.180 work.

01:32:33.360 Now he

01:32:33.960 villainizes her

01:32:34.720 and says that

01:32:35.480 his negative

01:32:36.400 coverage was

01:32:37.100 as a result

01:32:37.780 of her

01:32:38.280 trading stories

01:32:39.820 about him

01:32:40.280 to improve

01:32:40.920 her own

01:32:41.500 press.

01:32:42.860 Yeah,

01:32:43.140 and even

01:32:43.480 that he gets

01:32:44.260 wrong.

01:32:44.660 He gets so

01:32:45.060 much wrong

01:32:45.520 in the book.

01:32:45.940 He basically,

01:32:48.140 by implication,

01:32:49.120 accuses her

01:32:49.960 of leaking

01:32:50.940 the details

01:32:51.700 of the first

01:32:52.980 conversation

01:32:53.560 that she

01:32:53.940 had with

01:32:54.340 William

01:32:54.560 when she

01:32:54.820 first met

01:32:55.560 William

01:32:55.840 properly.

01:32:57.140 In fact,

01:32:57.840 it wasn't

01:32:58.360 her at

01:32:58.740 all.

01:33:00.760 She talked

01:33:01.540 about it

01:33:01.960 to one

01:33:02.860 of her

01:33:03.480 aides,

01:33:04.400 and the

01:33:04.920 aide had

01:33:05.360 mentioned it

01:33:06.220 to someone

01:33:06.500 and leaked

01:33:06.840 out that

01:33:07.240 way.

01:33:07.600 The aide

01:33:07.920 actually resigned

01:33:09.020 over it.

01:33:09.860 They fell

01:33:10.560 on her

01:33:10.840 sword.

01:33:12.280 They were

01:33:12.720 later taken

01:33:13.160 back again,

01:33:14.040 but the

01:33:15.720 blame is

01:33:16.780 clear there

01:33:17.400 what happened,

01:33:18.220 and it

01:33:18.700 wasn't Camilla

01:33:19.320 leaking.

01:33:20.500 So here

01:33:21.100 we are,

01:33:21.580 Prince

01:33:21.740 Charles'

01:33:22.060 coronation

01:33:24.080 is set

01:33:24.780 for May,

01:33:25.540 and there

01:33:27.020 is tons

01:33:27.900 of speculation

01:33:28.400 about whether

01:33:28.900 they will

01:33:29.420 be there.

01:33:30.780 The palace

01:33:31.520 hasn't said

01:33:32.120 one way or

01:33:32.960 the other,

01:33:33.500 but the UK

01:33:34.840 is against

01:33:35.440 them,

01:33:36.060 and what a

01:33:37.600 spectacle it

01:33:38.420 will be if

01:33:38.980 they are

01:33:39.280 there.

01:33:39.700 There is a

01:33:40.240 very real

01:33:40.800 chance they

01:33:41.380 will be

01:33:41.740 booed and

01:33:42.880 hissed by

01:33:43.940 the British

01:33:44.280 public,

01:33:44.900 even on

01:33:45.340 such a

01:33:46.060 celebratory

01:33:46.540 day,

01:33:46.880 maybe especially

01:33:47.540 because it's a

01:33:48.720 celebratory day

01:33:49.320 of the royal

01:33:49.720 family of King

01:33:50.440 Charles.

01:33:50.720 What do

01:33:51.420 you think

01:33:51.600 is going

01:33:51.820 to happen

01:33:52.080 there?

01:33:53.460 Yes,

01:33:53.800 I mean,

01:33:54.140 goodness,

01:33:54.700 the idea

01:33:55.260 of booing

01:33:55.860 on the

01:33:56.120 coronation

01:33:56.660 would be

01:33:58.000 absolutely

01:33:58.560 horrendous.

01:33:59.920 It's very

01:34:00.580 hard to tell

01:34:02.340 what's going

01:34:02.720 to happen.

01:34:03.100 I think

01:34:05.460 it's incredibly

01:34:06.680 unlikely that

01:34:07.400 she will

01:34:07.700 come because

01:34:08.860 it will

01:34:09.220 just be

01:34:10.000 too much

01:34:10.720 of a

01:34:10.920 distraction.

01:34:11.780 Can you

01:34:12.000 imagine

01:34:12.240 those two

01:34:12.740 turning up

01:34:13.360 at Westman

01:34:13.740 Strabby,

01:34:14.240 just walking

01:34:14.760 down the

01:34:15.060 aisle,

01:34:15.320 saying,

01:34:15.660 we'll just

01:34:16.460 sit here,

01:34:17.060 don't mind

01:34:17.800 about us,

01:34:18.480 we'll just

01:34:19.080 sit here,

01:34:19.840 don't need

01:34:20.720 to pay

01:34:21.240 any attention

01:34:21.600 to us.

01:34:22.400 I can't

01:34:22.920 imagine

01:34:23.220 them doing

01:34:23.640 that.

01:34:24.880 No.

01:34:25.860 He might

01:34:26.480 turn up,

01:34:27.280 it depends

01:34:28.160 if there's

01:34:28.840 been any

01:34:29.540 kind of

01:34:29.800 reconciliation.

01:34:30.320 I think

01:34:33.200 there's no

01:34:34.040 doubt that

01:34:34.860 they will

01:34:35.240 be invited.

01:34:37.620 But in

01:34:38.420 order to

01:34:38.740 heal that

01:34:39.100 family rift,

01:34:40.160 you've got

01:34:40.540 to have

01:34:40.900 peace talks.

01:34:42.860 Peace talks

01:34:43.600 involve private

01:34:44.800 conversations,

01:34:46.620 delicate,

01:34:48.200 even painful

01:34:48.960 conversations.

01:34:50.920 And how

01:34:52.180 are those

01:34:52.420 going to

01:34:52.600 remain private?

01:34:53.280 How are

01:34:53.560 the royal

01:34:53.820 family going

01:34:54.200 to trust

01:34:54.640 Harry when

01:34:55.220 every private

01:34:56.200 conversation

01:34:56.680 he's ever

01:34:57.080 had with

01:34:57.460 them has

01:34:58.000 been blasted

01:34:58.760 all over

01:34:59.260 the media,

01:34:59.800 all around

01:35:00.100 the world?

01:35:01.000 It's tricky

01:35:01.600 to see how

01:35:02.820 it's going

01:35:03.040 to play

01:35:03.300 out.

01:35:04.640 I don't

01:35:04.880 see peace

01:35:05.820 talks as

01:35:06.300 being the

01:35:06.640 next move.

01:35:07.100 I really

01:35:07.340 think there

01:35:07.660 has to be

01:35:08.000 a while

01:35:08.500 where people

01:35:09.680 like Prince

01:35:10.280 William get

01:35:11.040 to have

01:35:11.540 their anger

01:35:12.160 and feel

01:35:13.000 it for a

01:35:13.400 bit as

01:35:13.760 opposed to

01:35:14.100 being forced

01:35:14.540 to make

01:35:14.820 up with

01:35:15.060 these two

01:35:15.380 and continue

01:35:15.820 attacking him

01:35:16.480 non-stop

01:35:17.120 knowing he

01:35:18.040 can't fight

01:35:18.460 back.

01:35:19.180 To stew

01:35:19.880 in one's

01:35:20.280 anger,

01:35:21.020 there's some

01:35:22.140 cathartic

01:35:22.700 property to

01:35:23.680 it for

01:35:24.340 some short

01:35:25.020 period.

01:35:26.100 Maybe

01:35:26.320 they'll

01:35:27.200 reconcile

01:35:27.560 eventually,

01:35:28.220 but I

01:35:28.580 don't know.

01:35:28.860 I, for

01:35:29.100 one, do not

01:35:29.500 want to see

01:35:29.780 those two

01:35:30.060 at the

01:35:30.240 coronation

01:35:30.580 and I

01:35:30.880 will be

01:35:31.200 booing

01:35:31.520 loudly

01:35:31.860 Valentine

01:35:32.260 if they

01:35:33.180 go.

01:35:33.920 Thank you

01:35:34.400 so much

01:35:34.780 for coming

01:35:35.220 on.

01:35:35.560 Good luck

01:35:36.040 with the

01:35:36.380 book,

01:35:36.700 courtiers.

01:35:37.420 It's well

01:35:37.880 worth your

01:35:38.260 time,

01:35:38.560 everyone.

01:35:38.840 You're

01:35:38.920 going to

01:35:39.100 love the

01:35:39.460 way

01:35:39.600 Valentine

01:35:39.880 writes

01:35:40.260 to him.

01:35:40.800 All the

01:35:40.980 best to

01:35:41.220 you,

01:35:41.360 sir.

01:35:42.360 Thank you

01:35:42.680 very much.

01:35:44.120 Okay,

01:35:44.520 I want to

01:35:44.760 tell our

01:35:45.020 audience

01:35:45.260 that tomorrow

01:35:46.140 Victor Davis

01:35:48.040 Hanson,

01:35:49.040 so excited

01:35:49.720 to have

01:35:49.980 VDH

01:35:50.420 back on.

01:35:51.000 Lots to

01:35:51.460 go over

01:35:51.720 with him.

01:35:52.280 Can you

01:35:52.480 imagine

01:35:52.640 what he's

01:35:52.920 going to

01:35:53.040 say on

01:35:53.220 these

01:35:53.360 documents?

01:35:53.900 That'll

01:35:54.040 be fun.

01:35:54.700 Plus,

01:35:54.920 Mike Pompeo

01:35:55.480 will be

01:35:55.720 here.

01:35:56.380 We'll

01:35:56.520 ask him

01:35:56.820 whether he's

01:35:57.180 found any

01:35:57.620 top secret

01:35:59.560 documents in

01:36:00.060 his closets

01:36:00.640 recently.

01:36:03.680 Thanks for

01:36:04.260 listening to

01:36:04.720 The Megyn Kelly

01:36:05.260 Show.

01:36:05.840 No BS,

01:36:06.740 no agenda,

01:36:07.580 and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 24, 2023

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