Russell Brand's Lengthy Sentence, Trump's Shock Immigration Deal Comments, and Disgusting Charlie Kirk Attacks, with Emily Jashinsky, Dave Aronberg, and Viva Frei ｜ Ep. 1437
00:00:30.640Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:42.340Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Monday. Lots of news.
00:00:46.780Let's do this, including President Trump giving his assessment of the Republicans' midterm wipeout
00:00:52.580on 60 Minutes last night and this morning, once again, claiming it was a messed with election.
00:00:57.920OK. Can you can we not? Can we can we just be like really honest about what actually what this is so fucking pointless?0.92
00:01:07.200Like, we're going to do that again. We don't trust the vote. We do. We do.
00:01:12.200No matter what you know, as to steal a phrase, too big to rig. That's what just happened to your party.
00:01:19.060First, though, we start with breaking news from across the pond where a judge just sentenced Russell Brand to 10 and a half years in prison.
00:01:27.920Good Lord. Ten and a half years in prison.
00:01:33.020He grabbed a boob. He kissed a lady.0.91
00:15:17.940And well, you know, when it comes to the main account, you're right that there was consensual encounters and she willingly had sex with him before she agreed to have vaginal sex on that night.0.97
00:15:29.340That's all part of the record. But the findings were that Bran moved the condom and forced a different act and then kept going after she told him twice to stop.0.61
00:15:38.960And so whatever they did the first time they met, a jury can conclude and the judge can conclude that it was not reasonable for him to keep going after she told him repeatedly to stop.
00:16:07.420I had the team pull a couple of examples. David Lyons in the UK, 44 years old. What did he do? He pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his autistic neighbor, Philip Quinn, who was 54 years old.
00:16:21.760He launched a violent, sustained assault on him, kicking and stamping his autistic neighbor with learning difficulties to death.
00:22:14.980You didn't have any reason whatsoever to believe that he cared about you or would treat you well at all.
00:22:20.800Like, this is obviously a woman who said yes, yes, yes, yes to everything, and I think it's zero problem to believe she said yes to this as well, who then felt gross, and she didn't feel like he treated her very well when it was over.
00:22:35.640Well, Megan, I don't think it's fair to say that she was silent for 15 to 20 years and then all of a sudden suddenly disclosed this to a jury or to prosecutors.
00:22:44.240The prosecutors called multiple independent witnesses, friends, housemates, colleagues who took the stand to confirm that she and not just she, but others, the women who are the victims here, told them about the assaults at the time that they occurred in the 2000s.
00:23:01.300So it's not more than it's just the late reporting.
00:23:05.480I'm not disputing that she said something to friends, not rape.
00:23:09.080But here's what she said. The summer after the alleged incident, she allegedly told a friend that she had asked Russell to stop multiple times, but he didn't. She said that woman five told her complaint five. She felt humiliated and violated that Russell scolded her for making a mess of the bed. That's not illegal. That's I mean, if if it's true, she said stop and he didn't. That would be illegal. But that business about she felt humiliated that he wanted to clean up the bed.
00:23:33.080to me that's actually probably that maybe that that did happen and she felt angry and it could
00:23:38.340be the basis of this entire claim a colleague said in the days after the alleged incident
00:23:42.200a woman five came to her office looking ill and ashen quote i asked her if she consented she said
00:23:47.640no i did not consent to that i said you have to tell the police she said no they won't believe me
00:23:52.400and then there was another friend who said she was distraught when she came home she was in physical
00:23:56.980pain. Um, she, she, the, the friend said she told woman five, she was told that they had consensual
00:24:06.900sex. Um, and then Russell said he wanted anal sex. Woman five said, no, they started to have1.00
00:24:13.340consensual vaginal sex. And then he turned her over and he raped her anally. That was the friend's1.00
00:24:18.700word. But so this woman was telling the story about having gone through the back door, but she
00:24:24.280was not saying rape until she saw that documentary many years later well you know you had six
00:24:29.940different women who testified about separate events across multiple years they didn't know
00:24:33.640each other when the offenses took place but they had these sworn accounts that independently
00:24:38.880described virtually identical behavior and that's where it really was very powerful i think for the
00:24:44.980jury the under the laws of evidence you know when you have multiple unrelated people who come
00:24:49.300together and say pretty much the same thing without colluding with each other sort of destroys
00:24:53.100a defense theory of coincidence or misunderstanding and that's that's problem as far as why was that
00:24:58.160allowed dave we just had the harvey weinstein reversed in new york city new york state because
00:25:03.240of this very kind of testimony that was introduced against him with our court of our appellate court
00:25:08.760which is no left-leaning court saying this has got to be thrown out this was unfair to him yeah i
00:25:13.200think it was close in the appellate court wasn't like four to three but yes every state and i can
00:25:17.500speak to united states law not necessarily uk law as an expert but just about every state has
00:25:22.460what we call in florida williams rule evidence which is if you can show a pattern if you can
00:25:26.980show an mo then you can bring in these prior bad acts not to show propensity evidence but to show
00:25:33.800that this is his fingerprint this is what he does in all these cases and you can bring it up
00:25:38.060but the prosecution the harvey weinstein case went too far and it went into propensity evidence like
00:25:43.680he's a bad guy he must have done it here convict him and the appellate court in a narrow vote
00:25:48.540decided to throw it out well i mean in this particular case russell wrote the book he
00:25:54.320basically documented his own i will call it exploitation but there is you know legal
00:25:59.740consensual exploitation which results from bad judgment and groupies wanting to give a bj to a
00:26:04.180celebrity uh which can leave people feeling so used and so exploited that they 10 years later
00:26:09.780say oh you know what it really wasn't that consensual much like uh the cornell university
00:26:14.460girl two years later saying you know what it wasn't that consensual it was degrading it was
00:26:18.520demeaning i am living with the consequences of this now uh and so i'm going to you know it's not
00:26:23.080very hard to reframe something as not consensual when it was so damn exploitive in the first place
00:26:28.020when it comes to this russell brand sort of explained his own mo and i said they were going
00:26:32.540to do it and they ended up reading passages from his own book to him on the stand he made it that
00:26:37.500type of evidence and he made it easy for a you know a non-sympathetic jury to say this man is
00:27:12.440rape victim here is ridiculous, given the way she behaved toward him within seconds of meeting him.0.99
00:27:18.000She clearly wanted it. Then after that interlude in the dressing room where her friend fellated him0.97
00:27:23.420as she took care of the backside, then he called her and said, hey, let's get together again. And
00:27:28.260she knew she knew she was going over to his house for sex. She was cheating on her boyfriend.1.00
00:27:32.340She wanted sex with Russell Brand. And we're supposed to believe he said they talked about0.94
00:27:36.380doing it. Whatever. We've been over that. But I'm just saying I don't see this as exploitation at
00:27:41.020all. Exploitation is like when there's a clear power imbalance. Just because he's famous and
00:27:45.280she's not doesn't mean there's a power imbalance. It means one person is famous and one person is
00:27:49.620not. Power imbalance speaks to a lawyer and a client, a psychiatrist and a patient, a teacher
00:27:57.640and a student, a boss and an employee. Those are positions of fiduciary where you actually have an
00:28:04.720obligation as one party not to exploit the other. Star and star fucker? No, it doesn't exist. This0.99
00:28:11.760is ridiculous. This woman, three, who said he kissed me at the bar without my consent and then0.98
00:28:19.340he dragged me into a bathroom stall and forced me to orally fillet him. The jury said no to point
00:28:26.320two. We don't believe you. They rejected her rape allegation on that. But they said yes to
00:28:31.060he forcefully kissed you at the bar. This woman, like, it's unbelievable what she told the court0.98
00:28:37.340today. She, she takes, she actually insisted that she be there personally to read her own victim
00:28:43.340impact statement. So she wanted her moment on the stand. She was initially, she said, in shock and
00:28:49.320turmoil after the attack. Now let's keep in mind, this victim impact statement should be to what
00:28:55.700happened when he kissed her at the bar and allegedly grabbed her boobs. That's what's at
00:29:01.980issue. That's what Russell's being sentenced for, not for an alleged oral rape. So she wants the
00:29:07.820jury to know she was in shock and turmoil. She says she, quote, literally lost any love for myself
00:29:15.340for a long time, thinking I was damaged goods. She felt, quote, physically sick seeing him in the
00:29:22.280press. I didn't have any respect for myself. This really affected how I viewed myself.
00:29:27.320I got into situations with toxic men as I didn't have any self-worth. Seeing the front pages of
00:29:34.320the newspaper talking about what happened to me caused me to have the only panic attack I've ever
00:29:38.520had in my life. It was a truly terrifying experience. This is ridiculous. I'm sorry,
00:29:42.780madam, you're a complainant in a criminal trial where a man could be going to jail for life.
00:29:47.260You're going to have to take the stand. And yeah, that may be an issue of panic, but it's allowed
00:29:51.540to be listed as one of her damages here. Even more terrifying was seeing my character being
00:29:57.600torn apart on social media by people believing all of us women were making it up. This is
00:30:01.980ridiculous. Her name has been kept anonymized. She will have that anonymity for life. This is0.52
00:30:08.800all going into the mix of why Russell got 10 plus years, Dave. That's ridiculous.0.79
00:30:13.680I hear you, Megan. When a victim is speaking afterwards on the penalty and then conflates the count that was acquitted with the count that was convicted, but you're allowed to elocute, you're allowed to say what happened.0.80
00:30:32.400and in her mind even if the count was not believed by the jury and then it's up to the judge to make
00:30:41.320that determination to say okay we're only sentencing him on the kiss not the rape because
00:30:46.200that was acquitted but i think the judge did that the judge focused on those counts where he was
00:30:50.900acquitted and gave sentences that were within the sentencing guidelines in the uk just wasn't on the
00:30:56.060top of his head just wasn't because he hated russell brand if he did really hate him he could
00:30:59.740have given on the maximum and then made it consecutive which he didn't he got nine months
00:31:05.580nine months for the grabbing of the breasts by that complainant who's like playing it up and he
00:31:11.160got 18 months in jail viva for complainant number four here is the bbc describing her testimony
00:31:21.020about what he did that he just got a year and a half in prison for and sought 212 they were inside
00:31:29.000a small room and came out into a smaller holding section when quote he just leapt on me they
00:31:34.260described how russell brand lunged forwards and began to kiss them they said quote it was a flash
00:31:38.920of lightning they said he wasn't alone there was a woman with long dark hair with him and three
00:31:43.400other men when they were asked to describe the kiss they said it was frenzied it was hard it was
00:31:47.620very very hard i would say it was sloppy and it was wet he was kissing all down my neck and his
00:31:52.880hands were all over me he touched my bum my breasts my waist he was pushing his body against
00:31:58.020me and i was up against the wall again they clarified it was rough and then said quote
00:32:02.260it was violent at one point they said they managed to put their hand up between them and russell0.98
00:32:06.600brand and push him off and tell him to fuck off at which point he lunged backwards and in a laughing0.94
00:32:11.560way went haha and looked at the other people who were around complainant number four told the jury0.99
00:32:15.960that not one of the other people the women or the three men that they said were there stepped in or
00:32:20.160said anything during the time they alleged they were assaulted by russell brand right so the
00:32:25.440question was raised, how traumatic could this have been if all these people were like, it's a
00:32:29.520nothing burger? Then she testified via paper statement that was read by the prosecutor.
00:32:34.560This has had a lasting impact on my life. A lasting impact. The incident impacted my work
00:32:41.720when dealing with stories of sexual violence that affected my relationships with some of my male
00:32:46.840colleagues um she was advised to seek therapy for serious anxiety and on and on i he he grabbed her
00:32:56.740at a bar and started kissing her violently whatever that means and allegedly feeling her
00:33:02.840and for he's going to jail for 18 months for that viva that i mean i'm sorry but these are just so
00:33:10.120out of whack just to highlight again she said no even by her own testimony he backs off and stops
00:33:14.900and laughs it off and stops the issue is this it happened so long ago a proper defense is
00:33:21.360virtually impossible and i'm not sitting on a fence here i'm just saying guilty or innocent
00:33:25.840this was set up for a conviction you cannot isolate this trial and this conviction from0.93
00:33:30.200the broader uk system i don't like comparing it to the muslim pakistani men rape gangs because
00:33:34.700that sort of equates russell brand's behavior to that i sort of more equated to what just happened
00:33:39.560to tommy robinson you somehow can't find justice for actual criminals in the uk and they literally
00:33:44.880lock up say white christian men who are protecting their nation or conservative for years remember
00:33:51.900what happened to tommy robinson contempt of court tried convicted and sentenced to 13 months in jail
00:33:57.140within five hours of the alleged violation the system is broken and whether or not it resulted
00:34:01.820people who might otherwise have been found guilty uh you know questioning their guilt when they get0.51
00:34:06.580found guilty the system is broken it is a third world country that is more commensurate with the
00:34:11.300legal system in north korea than that of the united yes and so the issue is we don't know and
00:34:16.840we'll never know if he was innocent or guilty that's what happens when you wait too bloody
00:34:19.900long to avail yourself of your rights if you were a victim we know the lifestyle that he lived we
00:34:24.660know what he's admitted to publicly and we know what these women have admitted to publicly but
00:34:28.140the system is fundamentally broken in that hellhole of a country and everyone who's there
00:34:31.780should notice this leave if they can and sure as hell not go back for trial if they can avoid it
00:38:01.920One other, Darius Andrew Leonis, 46, deemed a dangerous man who raped a woman in a late night stranger danger attack near a gas station.0.85
00:38:17.660Then he dragged her into nearby bushes. She begged him not to rape her. He placed his hands on her mouth and neck to stop her from screaming, leaving her in fear for her life. She tried to reason with him. He continued the attack. She only managed to get away after he had raped her. That guy got seven years, seven.0.90
00:38:41.000So I don't give any credit or points to the judge at all for saying, oh, the 18 months and the nine months and the eight months are going to run concurrently with the nine and a half, which is which was a bullshit sentence to start with, Dave.
00:38:53.840Well, I'm not as familiar with these other cases, but I would hope that sexual assault rate would be treated seriously by the system and people wouldn't get a slap on the wrist.
00:39:03.740you know as a former prosecutor if dave erenberg were in charge that would be happening in all
00:39:08.460cases this i know but that's what's so outrageous about this in the uk it's made international
00:39:14.160headlines that they're not doing it that way go ahead sorry well also i i agree with viva that
00:39:18.480was upset it was a tommy robinson case at the way that was handled that was totally a miscue where
00:39:23.820they treated the victim as the perpetrator and the perpetrator as the victim and it was done based
00:39:30.140on whatever their training was which has to be dramatically revamped because they were too quick
00:39:36.600to listen to a guy because he was i guess wearing a turban to claim that he was the victim when it
00:39:41.800was the opposite but when it comes to this case and i did have a lot of evidence and the jury
00:39:46.860reviewed all the facts and you know the jury system may be imperfect but it's the system that
00:39:51.920we have and the uk has and they're the ones who are there every day reviewing the evidence and
00:39:56.520decided that he was guilty on some counts, not guilty on others.
00:40:00.220And then the judge gave a sentence that was commensurate with the sentencing guidelines
00:42:59.200And that's another conversation for another day.
00:43:02.140But when it came to that one journalist, it wasn't the journalist that was the first one to talk about it.
00:43:08.920The reason why the journalist got the information was because Russell Brand had, excuse me, the victim, had spoken to enough people that one of her friends went to the journalist and said, hey, here's this story.
00:43:31.300And he's got defenders right now who are disputing that.
00:43:35.080But the complainant's side was saying that it was an open secret what he was doing to women in Hollywood.
00:43:41.520And so it's like, OK, if it was an open secret, why wasn't the press interested in him?
00:43:45.840I'll put it to you, Viva, back when before he was a conservative, back before he was basically the U.K.'s Joe Rogan.
00:43:52.200There was absolutely no sniffing around whatsoever, nor any in-depth documentary with actresses playing his alleged victims.
00:43:58.240No, that all happened after his politics changed.
00:44:00.740There's zero question about that, but I also do wonder about when people say it was an open secret, much with Harvey Weinstein, what people understood as the open secret is that women would exchange sex for stardom, and that that's part of the deal with the devil that a lot of people make in Hollywood, and that people said it was an open secret, not that necessarily Harvey Weinstein was a serial rapist hiding in alleyways, but that he was a serial exploiter who would exploit women who would exchange sexual favors for stardom in Hollywood.
00:44:29.360it you know i it was a constantine kissin from trigonometry's out there's like we all knew it
00:44:34.600was an open secret with russell brand and we warned women accordingly the question is what0.99
00:44:38.680was the open secret that he was a sexual deviant a sexual pervert a hyper hyper sexually aggressive0.68
00:44:44.160in within the bounds of the law he wrote a book about it of course that's if the secret that0.99
00:44:49.360everyone knew about was that he was a serial rapist of the criminal order and they all covered
00:44:53.140it up i mean that's one hell of an admission that they were basically tolerating criminal behavior
00:44:57.480or reality they were tolerating what they do is degeneracy because they weren't ready to use it
00:45:02.820against them at that time as immoral and debaucherous and degenerate as it was it wasn't
00:45:07.580crossing the threshold to illegal and 10 years later it's a whole hell of a lot easier to apply
00:45:13.040today's morals and standards to behavior from 20 years ago which everyone knew about back then and
00:45:17.600knew wasn't illegal back then that's why nobody reported it to apply today's standards and
00:45:21.940sensitivities to that in order to facilitate a conviction 20 years later i mean that's my view
00:45:26.460brand led a sinful life that facilitated this type of conviction right or wrong as it is but the
00:45:33.340bottom line is the mere yes he behaved recklessly there's no question there's no question and as a
00:45:37.860man you got to be damn careful about that because it's women who come back and allege rape it's
00:45:42.160never the men um he's going to jail for 10 years he is going to have to serve well he's going to
00:45:51.000have to serve two thirds of that. So it's basically going to be seven years, seven years. He's going
00:45:56.920to have to go to jail and actually serve the next seven years. He's 51 years old. He has three kids,
00:46:02.50010, eight, and three. His little boy will be 10 the next time they get to spend time outside of
00:46:08.680a prison together. And they may not be done. The prosecutors I told the audience on Friday are
00:46:13.800talking about possibly charging him with two additional counts. They really don't want this
00:46:19.220guy to see the light of day again. The reports out of the UK press on his first weekend in jail
00:46:25.900because he was not allowed to be released on his own recognizance pending sentencing
00:46:29.340were very, very dark. He's at some prison called Wandsworth, though he may not be staying there.
00:46:37.000They write that as a sex offender, he's kept apart from the other convicts. He's assessed by
00:46:41.560officers. Prison bosses have carried out a cell sharing risk assessment on him. They've opted to
00:46:46.760house him on his own amid safety fears. They've blocked him from mixing with the others to keep
00:46:51.480him safe. A source told the UK Sun that his first day in jail was a real shock to his system. In a
00:46:56.940wake-up call, he looked shaken. He was quiet. A horrible, noisy, and dirty jail like Wandsworth
00:47:02.060is a world away from his glamorous Hollywood lifestyle. He would be expected to serve two-thirds
00:47:07.880of his sentence, correct? And then he has to register as a sex offender. There was chanting
00:47:12.160inside the jail by the other inmates. There's a brand new nonce on the wing. A brand new nonce.
00:47:19.340Brand, you C word. You ain't so effing Larry now. There's a lot in there that I didn't understand.
00:47:25.420Nonce, I guess, is a word in the UK for a child molester. Larry means behaving in an unpleasantly
00:47:32.380loud, overly confident, or slightly aggressive way. Right now, the Daily Mail says it's only
00:47:37.600been verbal abuse because they are keeping him away from the other inmates. The quote in here
00:47:43.660by one was, they've got to get their amusement somewhere, so they've made Brand the object with
00:47:48.800hundreds of prisoners shouting the chant. Brand only leaves his cell to collect his food at
00:47:53.660mealtimes before returning. He is going around like a shadow. When he came into court today,
00:48:00.880the court called the clerk at 11.01 a.m. calling him in. Eight minutes later, he came in with two
00:48:11.040guards. He answered to his name. He noticed his wife, Laura, sitting behind the dock where he
00:48:15.560sits and mouths, are you okay? She nodded. He says, it'll be okay. I don't know how, but it will
00:48:22.520to his wife. As he takes a long look at his family and associates sitting behind him in the public
00:48:27.660gallery. His wife says, I love you. Laura Brand said, oh God, as her husband walked into the dock
00:48:34.400and then said, I love you to him after he turned around to face her. This is just so dark. It's
00:48:41.460just so dark. And he is being treated truly like he is the worst of the worst, like a truly dangerous
00:48:47.860serial rapist, Ted Bundy type. If you read the press about him, it's almost universal. And very0.93
00:48:54.480few of these people has any idea about what was actually testified to at this trial in terms of
00:49:01.000the facts on Russell's side, the things that were not in dispute even, like I testified to about
00:49:07.560what this woman did when she met Russell. It's just, it's deeply unsettling, I have to say.
00:49:12.980And I keep thinking of this one exchange Russell and I had when he came here. It's kind of funny.
00:49:18.840I mean, to me, I laughed, but it's not as funny now.
00:49:47.240And now he's faced with a very stark reality.
00:49:49.920So you tell me, Dave, is there any chance of getting out before the two-thirds?
00:49:53.800Is there any chance, given what's happening to him in prison, that they will do something on a humanitarian basis for Russell?
00:50:00.700Generally, what they do is they put them in supervised, like, cussie.
00:50:04.740It's called the SHU in the United States, the special housing unit.
00:50:08.240We see this with the Tate brothers, who then complain that they're in isolation, but you're in a special area so that the others don't come after you.
00:52:37.220I want to get to the rest of today's headlines, including President Trump sitting down with 60 minutes to discuss the Republicans' decimation last Tuesday and a possible amnesty that he's getting ready to issue.0.99
00:54:29.260Well, the deal would be we would work something out.
00:54:31.800And I think that's something that's actually doable.
00:54:34.980doable to create some kind of some kind of legal status for the landscapers and yeah when you go
00:54:40.660into a hotel and you have a woman that's worked there as a you know as a maid as a cleaner as a
00:54:46.920this as a that as a waitress a lot of good things great jobs and all of a sudden they're being taken
00:54:53.180out of the country it's tough it's a tough thing but there's a group of people that i would say on
00:54:57.920the sort of pretty far right that would like everybody taken out do some of them group of
00:55:03.660people do any of those people work in your administration are they in the building with
00:55:07.840us right now no no well there are a lot of those people then there's also people that are more
00:55:12.260modified on that in other words get the killers out get all the the rough ones out get the drug
00:55:17.280dealers out but let the people that are here and in some cases here for 10 and 15 years
00:55:23.880work a deal for them okay now there's no question what he was talking about the deal would be we'd
00:55:32.800work something out. Legal status? Yes. We'll work out a deal. There's just no question what
00:55:38.220he was saying. I mean, the question was explicit. Do you mean the landscaper will get legal status?
00:55:43.040Yeah. Yes. That's what he said. Then you had this rapid response 47X account, which we believe is
00:55:51.620affiliated with his campaign, not the official White House, immediately puts out in response to
00:55:57.500an ex post by The Blaze that read Trump says he may work on an amnesty deal with Democrats.
00:56:02.800They put out wrong. The word amnesty was never even said in this entire exchange.
00:56:08.800Right. But that's exactly what working out a deal to allow legal status to illegals
00:56:15.400is. And everyone knows that even a six year old can understand that.
00:56:21.060So the campaign, understanding the political jeopardy he just created for the last few
00:56:26.820Republicans standing, tried to lie about what the president said, but we have eyes and ears
00:56:33.180and he said it over and over and over. And just in case you thought the deal was,
00:56:38.840we'll work on a deal that they'll all leave and then we'll make it easier for new ones to come,
00:56:43.820etc., which isn't what happened at all. But there's no wiggle room. Ross specifically said,
00:56:49.860do you mean legal status for the landscaper that Trump raised, someone who's been here illegal?
00:56:55.540And he said, yeah. So what do you make of it?
00:56:58.700Well, legal status for that landscaper would also then involve, in all likelihood, people who have committed other crimes after crossing the border illegally.
00:57:07.460It's very hard to be an immigrant in the United States and not to be fudging the system in one way or another, whether it's with Social Security fraud.
00:57:15.240Yeah, right. But I mean, it is genuinely really common, whether it's with work fraud, those types of things, fraudulent documents.
00:57:22.180It is really genuinely hard to do that. So you end up creating a giant carrot program for people who have been here. They get amnesty. They get forgiveness for other things that they may have done. And that incentivizes other people to just try to get into the country. That's one of the major problems with these types of deals that have attempted to have been struck.
00:57:40.900James Lankford not long ago, Mitch McConnell, worked with congressional Democrats on the Senate
00:57:45.580side to get a bill like that passed. And it was atrocious. I mean, I remember reading through it
00:57:49.140several years back. This was right before Biden's re-election that became a Kamala Harris election.
00:57:54.340And it was a disaster of a bill. That is the last deal that Republicans and Democrats were able to
00:57:58.960work through. And it was a total carrot. It ended up being something that would just attract more
00:58:03.180and more people. Yes, it's important that he's closed the border. But on top of that, you can't
00:58:07.760have policies that once people are in the United States, because they've claimed asylum or other
00:58:12.340things, they then end up staying. Like that's a huge, huge problem. So I'm not entirely surprised
00:58:18.120that he's floating this because one of the frustrations that immigration hawks have had
00:58:22.360with this administration is that they're actually not going after employers. And what Trump just
00:58:26.860recited to Ross was a lot of the sort of frustrations that employers have had with hawkish
00:58:33.260immigration policy, right? That you have this person that's worked for them as a landscaper
00:58:36.920at a hotel. And Trump went into detail because, you know, he's been hearing from those people
00:58:41.060who have farms. And he is one of those people. Exactly. Exactly. And that's exactly why
00:58:46.320Hawks have said you could have avoided what looked like a lot of cruelty in Minneapolis
00:58:51.340and other places. You could have avoided all of those optics by starting to crack down on
00:58:55.560employers first. Do E-Verify. Just do E-Verify. You don't have to run around hunting down
00:59:03.040Hispanics in the streets. He's right that I'm sure that did hurt him with with a certain subset0.84
00:59:09.120of the population. There's certainly independents, maybe not as many hardline Republicans, but just
00:59:14.040do verify. Then they can't work. It makes it impossible for them to collect a paycheck in
00:59:18.540the United States and they self-deport. That's the most humane way of doing this.
00:59:23.060Right. And that again, people have been saying that forever. I mean, there are ways to crack
00:59:26.220down on banking that immigration hawks are frustrated with this administration for not
00:59:29.940going far enough on. E-Verify is a huge one. And it just hasn't happened yet. And so that's where
00:59:35.560Ron DeSantis last week comes out on election day swinging against Kristi Noem and says,
00:59:40.660you know, what everybody kind of knew, but was just kind of not talked about enough openly on
00:59:46.620the right, which is that this was a circus. It was a show to get headlines that endeared her
00:59:51.620to Donald Trump. And yes, obviously he switched leadership at DHS and they have been hitting
00:59:56.520record numbers of deportations month after month. But we had a record level, a historic surge. That's
01:00:02.780according to the New York Times' David Leonhardt. He had, at a low estimate, about 8 million people
01:00:06.980came into the United States, non-citizens came into the United States in about a three-year
01:00:10.860period. It is a bigger surge than the peak of Ellis Island. And so even record number of
01:00:15.500deportations are not going to reverse that. So if you're Donald Trump and you want to deal with
01:00:20.720this intractable, difficult situation, you can do the hard thing that's going to get you in trouble
01:00:25.100with a lot of donors, a lot of people you know, and it is going to be on a different side of an
01:00:28.660issue than you've been on for a long time. Or you can do the easy thing and try to cut a deal
01:00:34.000with Democrats like he did back in, I think it was 2018 or 19 with Nancy Pelosi. They were sitting
01:00:38.360down and talking about DACA at that point in time. So again, I'm not surprised. Now that Stephen0.91
01:00:43.280Miller is White House Chief of Staff, I think that interview with Ross was taped before Stephen
01:00:47.080Miller was named White House Chief of Staff. I might be surprised if something gets past Stephen,
01:00:51.440And he'll be kind of the goalie on this.
01:05:19.520We don't even how many seats is it in the House, like 40 plus seats.
01:05:22.400and maybe seven to nine seats in the U.S. Senate.
01:05:27.400I mean, yeah, like I have I posted on X like the day before that I predicted the conversation was
01:05:32.780going to be about candidate quality because it was so obvious that that was going to be a cope
01:05:36.440for trying to get away from the overall environment. And it's not entirely untrue
01:05:40.800that Darlene Graham was a bad candidate, but a bad candidate that was foisted on the public by
01:05:45.540Donald Trump. She won her primary by like four points. It was very much a Trump bump over Ralph1.00
01:05:49.760Norman. So no question that he had a hand in picking some of those people. He's probably
01:05:54.200right that Corden would have lost too. But anyway, all that is to say, I'm glad. But by the way,
01:05:58.300just to hold that thought, because another thing on that is like, oh, but I did it for my friend
01:06:01.540Lindsey Graham. What? Why are we doing favors? Like Lindsey Graham is dead. He doesn't have to
01:06:06.240live the consequences of these decisions. You and I do. Our children do. Just the absurdity of that.
01:06:11.280And that was an adequate explanation for who would serve out the remaining four months on
01:06:15.720lindsey graham's term but not who should actually run for the six-year term and and he is the reason
01:06:21.140that darlene was chosen and here you have him dismissing it as like did it for my friend lindsey
01:06:25.220who's dead and buried yeah and also i think it's pretty clear that wasn't a favor in the end to
01:06:29.760lindsey graham because the lindsey graham legacy is now tarnished by the fact that darlene graham
01:06:34.260lost in lost the state of south carolina to annie andrews who was like resistance posting her way
01:06:40.720through the pandemic if people haven't seen the videos that she posted around the pandemic period
01:06:45.580They have to go look them up online because it's incredible.
01:06:48.480And also, forgive me, just one of the it's it's up to now an 80 seat majority in the House, not not 40.
01:06:55.86040 is what the Dems beat the Republicans by in Trump's first term and the first midterm where they retook the House.
01:07:02.940It's up to 80. And he wants us to believe it was a candidate quality issue, Emily, because he wasn't on the ballot.
01:07:09.780these are lies. This is spin. It does absolutely no one any good to not be totally brutally honest
01:07:18.140about why the Republican Party was eviscerated a week ago. This is what's actually been driving
01:07:23.420me crazy over the course of the last week. It is that people are welcome to disagree with me
01:07:27.840on tariffs. They're welcome to disagree with me on the war. They're welcome to disagree with
01:07:31.020anybody. They're welcome to believe the war was a good idea and that tariffs were a bad idea.
01:07:34.900That is, I think, a perfectly fine conservative position. I completely disagree with both of
01:07:39.160those positions, but they're welcome to have those positions. I would never deny that tariffs
01:07:43.720were a serious problem in the election. They clearly were campaigned against in Kansas and
01:07:47.480Iowa and Texas. They were a factor. Of course they were. Of course they were. But what you
01:07:52.460see on the charts of gas prices and diesel prices is a complete surge right after February 28th
01:07:58.280that continues until Election Day. The Tax Foundation estimated this year that tariffs
01:08:02.060were going to cost the average American family about $820. It was about $1,000 the year before.
01:08:07.020Obviously, there were court decisions that intervened in the years since. But on top of that, Mark Zandy of Moody's Analytics said that the Iran war had already cost the average American family $2,000. And that is directly showing in his approval rating, which you can see David Shore, the polling analyst, said it's a structural shift in public opinion in Donald Trump when the Iran war happens.
01:08:28.840And you can see it in all the charts. They've been putting people who are anti-tariff and pro-war have been putting this chart that's going everywhere that shows Trump's approval rating going down starting at Liberation Day. That's what they say the chart shows. No, it shows Trump's approval rating going down on these charts that they are posting when he gets inaugurated. That is the point at which his approval rating starts dropping. So what happened after Liberation Day was continuing a trend that pre-existed Liberation Day. The Iran war continues it, but prices were high right now.
01:08:58.560It went up when J.D. Vance signed the Memorandum of Understanding that Trump's approval went up when that happened and then fell again once the war resumed.
01:09:07.940Yes. And that is a very difficult point for people who say it was the M.O.U. that cost the election.
01:09:13.560I mean, I don't I can't understand how people are saying this stuff aloud and taking themselves seriously.
01:09:24.140You know, I mean, it's so very obvious they have an agenda.0.66
01:09:26.220They don't want you to say, oh, you're Israel first.
01:09:28.040what you are if you are you don't have to be jewish a lot of these christian conservatives
01:09:31.920evangelical types who are very very pro-israel who like the main thing is that we protect israel
01:09:36.740no the main thing is that we protect the united states of america and american voters and workers
01:09:42.080um mark teeson is out there trying to suggest that that president trump was not saying that
01:09:51.120the iran war had anything to do with the election like again he did and even don jr was like play
01:09:57.420the whole soundbite mark what are you saying like the whole soundbite of trump has him saying yes
01:10:03.420the iran war was in fact to blame but the president goes on to say but i would do it again you know i
01:10:09.900mean because the president is never going to say i did the wrong thing that's not really the way
01:10:14.640trump operates um and now you've got mark levin out there okay so you would think that mark levin
01:10:19.660who was one of the chief one of the chief cheerleaders for the war and one of the main
01:10:25.580reasons why President Trump was goaded into doing it and continuing it. So did he have a
01:10:31.380come to Jesus moment? Well, I guess maybe that's not the right phrase. Did he have a let's get
01:10:37.180honest moment where he was ready to reflect on what he did? No. Listen to this. Sot 5. This is
01:10:44.820Sunday night. Last night. The only way we can defeat the Marxist Islamist threat,
01:10:50.780And it is a grave threat. The threat to our country is if we are united, clear headed, mission oriented and mission focused and become the Tea Party type activists of the recent past.0.93
01:11:05.860And today, that means a few major immediate objectives, starting with the war with Iran.0.57
01:11:50.120The neocons will never stop pressing for more war, annihilation of the entire regime.
01:11:57.800OK, he already got his bomb on the Ayatollah and the top emissaries.
01:12:01.020But you want to talk about eliminating the entire regime.0.84
01:12:03.640That's all of the Revolutionary Guard. That's hundreds of people. That would require boots on the ground. He wants a full scale ground war in Iran right now. That's what he wants. And he's still very close to President Trump.
01:12:17.020I just want them to be honest about that. I mean, seriously, like, please be honest. Either say he's extremely brave because he made Trump is extremely brave because he made a politically unpopular decision that might have cost him the midterms or just say, honestly, this is a decision that has cost us the midterms. But they want to have it both ways. Right. They want to say Trump was courageous. He did something despite public opinion going against him, despite the risks to his own legacy and career in the short term, because he's a long term thinker.
01:12:45.780On the other hand, they want to say, oh, no, no, no, it was all the tariffs. Like, I just want you to be honest that there were massive political consequences to this. And I don't know if you saw, Megan, over the weekend, viral clips of John Kennedy on Theo Vaughn going around. That was from July. And Marco Rubio said the same thing that John Kennedy said in that clip, which was the claim intelligence showed that Iran was building its ballistic missile capacity up so much so that they would be past a point of immunity when we wanted to strike and take out further nuclear enrichment and all weapons.
01:13:15.380and those sorts of things. Marco Rubio said that within two days of Trump going into Iran. And then
01:13:21.400yeah, John Kennedy repeated it on one of the most popular podcasts in the country. And people were
01:13:25.540re-upping these clips over the weekend and saying, it was just the messaging. It was just the
01:13:29.840messaging. Well, that is bullshit because both of those messages reverberated around the country0.99
01:13:34.300over and over again when they were made. Again, Theo's podcast is one of the most popular in the0.97
01:13:38.380country. Marco said that and it was viral immediately. The problem for them is nobody
01:13:42.880buys it. Nobody buys it after Iraq and Afghanistan. Nobody is buying this intelligence.
01:13:49.340And also because Tulsi Gabbard, who was the DNI at the time, was simultaneously saying we assess
01:13:56.620that they are not close to getting a nuclear weapon. And this is not a concern at all.
01:14:01.200And President Trump himself in June of 2025 told us all we've annihilated their nuclear capacity,
01:14:07.120annihilated it. So where exactly were they getting the ability to build a nuke from?
01:14:10.960because what you put on the tip of that missile is a nuclear weapon.
01:15:33.040They want you to believe that we lost the election because we decided to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon and from killing Americans.
01:16:03.040Because we all objected because so much of President Trump's base revolted when he launched this war without our approval, without the majority approval in the United States, never mind the U.S. Congress, that it would be a lot more kinetic than it already has been if it weren't for the strong stamp of disapproval and the pushback the president got from members of his own party when he did this.
01:16:23.880OK, but second of all, that doesn't mean it's not a war.
01:16:26.220The secretary of war, Pete Hegseth, and President Trump himself, the commander in chief, have
01:17:20.960And it's so offensive. I don't know. I was listening. I was like, this is deeply offensive to the sacrifice that has already happened for the stagnancy in the Strait of Hormuz that we've seen over many, many months now that is being brought at enormous cost to the U.S. military.
01:17:35.780And so it's inconsistent. His argument doesn't make sense. And just like some basic honesty. I mean, to have that tape, I know you played it last week with Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin in September saying they believed the Iran war wouldn't be an issue in the election.
01:17:50.280and then to look at the election results and have zero, zero humility about their political
01:17:55.500prognostication. That's not just a competence issue. I mean, it should be a massive competence
01:18:00.280issue. It's the type of thing that Fox News should actually make you address and apologize for if
01:18:04.700you're Mark Levin. I haven't seen that he did that. Maybe he did. But any news network, I think
01:18:08.880if you have something that is that flagrantly embarrassing within a couple of months of
01:18:13.560happening, I honestly think they should make him address it or apologize for it on air, explain why
01:18:17.460he got it so wrong they won't they won't because he speaks for them it's a credibility problem
01:18:20.940clearly but it's also a character problem i mean how do you say something like that in front of
01:18:25.280millions of people watching you uh i don't know if this audience has a million it's probably around
01:18:29.480a million um but how do you say something like that if that right how do you say something no
01:18:33.620and and also say it like what's with the like reading reading in front he's got like a script
01:18:39.300a paper script on his desk he's looking down clearly he can't manage the teleprompter but
01:18:45.100it's like this is all you talk about why can't you look into camera and say what's on your mind
01:18:51.940why do you have to have your little pre-printed script that you've got to read off of your desk
01:18:57.620to make your points which you want us to believe are heartfelt and you clearly spend day and night
01:19:02.740thinking about them i don't i actually genuinely don't understand that he also says the iran war
01:19:08.300is not why we lost the election that's not what president trump is saying president trump is
01:19:13.500defending J.D. Vance's commentary, saying we lost because of the war. Here he is in Satfor.
01:19:20.300Has J.D. Vance's comments about Iran questioning some of those decisions,
01:19:24.560has that impacted your relationship at all? No, not at all. But a lot of people didn't like his
01:19:28.620comments, but not me. He was right. Other than one thing, he should have made one other statement,
01:19:34.400one statement that I think is very important. If you had it to do again, would you do it again?
01:19:39.420And the answer is yes. I can tell you, if I had it to do again, this historically for history will go down as one of the best things we ever did, because if they ever had a nuclear weapon, they would blow up the world.
01:19:52.220You know why? Because they're crazy. So that's Trump doing what you are asking these other Republican pro-war pundits to do, which is be honest.0.99
01:20:02.76074% said it was the critical or a major factor in their vote, the war, but he's saying it was worth
01:20:10.780it. To me, it was worth it. Okay. That's, that's at least somewhat honest. We can actually work0.99
01:20:16.140with that, but you can't deny reality like Shapiro and Levin and Thyssen are doing, which is to deny
01:20:23.580that the Iran war itself, the decision to do it. And then what was done there actually did drive
01:20:29.540vote, 74 percent of the electorate voted on it. It's like you can't work with these people because
01:20:34.740to deny that makes you a dishonest hack. Just look at gas prices. Look at gas prices alone
01:20:39.900and look at diesel prices. Diesel prices control so much inflation throughout the economy. All you
01:20:44.340have to do is look at the before and after and see how high both of those prices went after the
01:20:49.680Iran war. And that's it in a nutshell. That is your answer. And the reason, Megan, that I think
01:20:53.900so many of these people are absolutely unwilling to be honest in a way that Trump at least is
01:20:59.280coming out and say it. I mean, you see how Trump frames it as part of his legacy, that he's brave
01:21:03.180that he did this because it had to be done and other people didn't. Like that's one much more
01:21:07.400honest way to do it. But the reason I think a lot of other people don't is because they see this
01:21:10.920ultimately as being about the battle for the soul of the Republican Party. And they see it as about
01:21:15.760being about J.D. Vance because they believe that he's the threat to taking the Republican Party in
01:21:20.680a more populous direction and a direction that is, yes, a little bit more protectionist and a
01:21:25.760little bit less interventionist. And that to them is what this is really all about at the end of the
01:21:30.300day, which is why they're not making the honest moral argument, even if you and I disagree with
01:21:34.920it. That's why they're making the political argument. That is why they're absolutely wedded
01:21:38.740to the idea that what they describe as Vance-ism, and sometimes they won't even come out and say
01:21:43.180that they're really talking about JD, but a lot of times they do, is politically toxic. That's
01:21:47.360what they want to say. Mike Pence came out and said that voters rejected economic populism.
01:21:52.080That is insane. James Tallarico was running on economic populism. So many of these candidates,
01:21:58.000Richard Ojeda in North Carolina, was running on economic populism. I mean, so many of the high
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01:30:40.260checkout to get your discount. He's appealing to what's left of like his core, core supporters
01:30:49.040who are under his spell. And that number is shrinking exponentially by the second,
01:30:55.460but he's still thinking, you know, if he could just, you know, reach into that pocket and like
01:31:01.580throw them a couple of nuggets. He can make the reindeer fly again, Emily, and it's not going to
01:31:07.760happen. Yeah, I mean, it might work with a small fraction of the Republican Party, maybe something
01:31:11.900like 20 percent that trust Trump over literally everybody else. But one of the reasons the polls
01:31:16.680were wrong is that they were overweighting for rural Republican leaning voters that they had
01:31:23.060often had a hard time connecting with in the Trump era. And I think one of the big reasons that those
01:31:27.620polls were off, is that those were exactly the voters that they were waiting overly on the
01:31:32.160Republican side. Those are exactly the voters that flipped or stayed home. And so the polling
01:31:36.880actually missed that some of Trump's, I mean, what we're seeing in Patrick Graffini, right of
01:31:41.160center pollster, put together a great report showing shifts. And if you look at the MAGA
01:31:44.420coalition, rural voters shifted double digit to Dems. Men shifted, independents shifted like 13
01:31:51.040points, like core components, non-college, yep, core components of the Trump coalition. And so
01:31:56.320that's actually one of the best explanations for why the polling is wrong, is that the people that
01:32:00.520were being weighted heavier because they felt in places like Maine, pollsters felt they couldn't
01:32:05.660get in contact with. So that's why Susan Collins' polling was wildly off in 2020. This is what
01:32:10.280pollsters came at the time to recognize, is they were not getting in touch with enough of those
01:32:14.360specifically rural Republican-leaning voters in the Trump era. And that's the best explanation
01:32:19.260for it, is actually a lot of people who may have voted Republican in the past 10 years,
01:32:23.100They might not have voted Republican before Trump, by the way, which is an important part of this. They actually turned out for Democrats this time. And that's why some of the charts that are going around, the polls that are going around that look weird to people, they're actually explicable by the kind of Obama-Trump crossover voters going against Trump this time.
01:32:40.760Yeah, they they left you that the polls, they weren't wrong. They were wrong, if anything, against the Democrats. They undercounted the support for the Democrat candidates because it was your core voters leaving you.
01:32:57.720like listen your only obligation now is to listen to them and help them instead of living in
01:33:07.740denialism about when the polls were wrong and it wasn't an honest election good luck good luck
01:33:14.940Republican Party if I were a Republican on Capitol Hill I I would say the classic it's it's over
01:33:21.980for Donald Trump. We have to forge on without him. That's it. We've got to forge on without him.
01:33:28.860All I can think of is when I moved to Chicago as a young lawyer, I was about to start my legal
01:33:32.980career and we traveled cross country, my mom, my stepfather, Peter, and my boyfriend and I.
01:33:39.060And it was a crazy drive. It took, you know, 18 hours. We were from upstate New York to Chicago.
01:33:44.360We tried to do it in one fell swoop. It was like some of us were in the cab,
01:33:47.860four of us were in the cab then two of us would sleep in the back it was like i had a i had one
01:33:52.040sofa a love seat a couple of crates and a bed but u-haul had run out of the small little unit so we
01:33:58.160had this huge like 18 wheeler situation anyway by the time we got to chicago our nerves were shot
01:34:03.820we were stressed out we were tired and we got to try to to the apartment building to try to like
01:34:09.680back this enormous truck in and my stepfather peter had had it he was like beyond and my then
01:34:17.600boyfriend Jason comes in. My mom and I are in the elevator holding all these things. And Jason says
01:34:22.700his last name is Kerwin. He goes, Kerwin's no good to us anymore. We're going to have to forge
01:34:27.680on without him. Let's go. We're going to have to abandon my stuff. And I'm sorry, that has to be
01:34:34.320the motivation for this next scene by Republicans in Congress when it comes to Donald Trump.0.99
01:34:39.900This shit about stolen elections is not going to help anybody. And the same for this shit about0.99
01:34:47.140amnesty. I mean, like, let's kill off the very last of our supporters with nonsense like this.1.00
01:34:53.920My friends, for John, without him. Well, I was gonna say, imagine the incentives for a senator0.97
01:35:00.060in a place like Kansas or Texas that just flipped really blue. The incentives for a Republican
01:35:05.340senator in those states are no longer to follow in lockstep with Donald Trump, even a Republican
01:35:09.920senator that has all changed. South Carolina, when you see mandates, maybe you're up in two years.
01:35:15.200look at ron johnson in wisconsin he's up in two years the political incentive to walk and lock
01:35:19.960step and he's criticizing yes yep exactly and so the political incentive not to upset the hardcore
01:35:24.780trump base now that it's diminished a bit but especially now that trump's power appears to be
01:35:29.460diminished the political incentive for those senators to go along with every single thing
01:35:33.020trump says is gone uh and that's going to be an interesting thing when votes potential impeachment
01:35:38.160votes come up when investigations come up in the next couple of uh months or the next six months
01:35:42.920over some things corruption-wise that are actually very serious. Those senators, if you are now a
01:35:48.080senator from Texas and your coworker is James Tallarico or South Carolina, Tim Scott, and your
01:35:52.980coworker is Annie Andrews, you have a different set of political incentives now because voters
01:35:56.940in your state just turned out lopsided for Democrats by double digits in some cases.
01:36:01.660Yep. Ron Johnson was out there last week calling out the corruption in the administration,
01:36:08.300in this Trump administration, Ron Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin. And he's been very
01:36:14.060active in the Maha world. The big news over the past three days was Callie Means, friend of this
01:36:19.260program, spent on many times, went on tour with us, calling out the corruption in the administration,
01:36:25.680naming names, in particular, Susie Wiles, as the main reason he says Maha has died. Maha can't get
01:36:34.260through. She, he says, is why glyphosate, this ridiculous fertilizer that's poisoning all of0.91
01:36:41.360America, made by Bayer, was the subject of an executive order giving Bayer immunity from
01:36:48.420lawsuits and is just as robust and ubiquitous as ever under the new Maha administration,
01:36:55.580the special pass for glyphosate, for Pepsi, for sugar, for ultra processed foods. He's putting
01:37:02.020it squarely at the doorstep of Susie Wiles, who's now the departed chief of staff. She's pushing
01:37:06.680back, as so is her top dog, who's also left the administration. That's just one of the many things
01:37:11.760in the news today. We're going to pick it up. I'm going to take a break. Emily and I are going to
01:37:15.160keep going. The Russell Brand News set us back a bit on hard news coming out of Washington. We've
01:37:19.640got that, and we've got the vile, vile Jennifer Welch, the disgusting, angry lady hosting the1.00
01:37:26.940far-left podcast who's getting her own just desserts now after having found it hilarious1.00
01:37:33.400that Charlie Kirk, leader of a national movement, father of two toddlers and husband, was assassinated
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01:44:49.320Like, Marty McCary did a good job at the FDA to the extent he could.1.00
01:44:53.780You know, he got some food dye out of certain products, and that was a plus.
01:44:58.200And I think Bobby Kennedy's rearrangement of, like, the food pyramid and his pushback on some of the vaccine mandates and so on have been a good thing.
01:45:07.820But they haven't accomplished what they set out to accomplish at all.0.99
01:45:11.500Like the fact that they provided this blanket protection for glyphosate was such a thumb in the eye to every Maha activist who backed them.0.87
01:45:22.040And Means is calling it out like he's he's saying Susie Wiles and this ballard are way too comfortable and that Susie Wiles has a daughter who was effectively a grifter, too.0.93
01:45:36.020And here's him explaining some of that in SOT 13.
01:52:58.020And every single policy issue goes through him because he tells the team whether it's politically appropriate to do or not based on his polling.
01:53:07.580He takes money from pharmaceutical companies.
01:53:09.980He takes money from almost every single industry we're fighting against right now to this day.
01:53:13.820So he's taking money at the same time.
01:53:15.360I don't even know if President Trump fully knows that.
01:53:17.480But as we were fighting things like school lunch reform and getting an ultra-processed food definition, 90% of the country wants this, we're going to define ultra-processed food, 70% of a child's diet is ultra-processed food, we need to define it, we need to figure out what to do there.
01:53:30.220It's a widely popular promise from the administration. He is getting paid by Pepsi and giving political analysis that the juice isn't worth the squeeze on doing policies like that, as simple as school lunch reform.
01:53:40.520As you might know, the FDA, up until we just closed it, did not know what's in our food, doesn't know.
01:53:46.280It's been a full self-policing from the food industry where they are able to self-certify both in the ingredients and, importantly, the amount of the ingredient having an impact or not.
01:53:55.280So you have all these things marketed to kids with high sugar.
01:53:58.220They're actually legally responsible for having studies showing how the amount of sugar that they're recommending for daily use for kids actually doesn't harm kids.
01:54:08.780They're legally required to have that.
01:54:09.980this would open up the door to start that conversation, getting the truth out. Nothing
01:54:14.460regulatory. We did a 60 Minutes. We got full White House approval. We went through the
01:54:19.320interagency process, and we were going to do a big initiative on basic food safety,
01:54:23.040asking whether the amount of sugar in a children's diet was appropriate.
01:54:27.780And that's where Susie told me, we can't do that. I need the sugar industry money.
01:54:35.400So depressing. I believe every word. I believe Callie. I think he's a straight shooter.
01:54:39.980Um, so I say it's, it's dead. Maha's dead. They want, they're, they're in exactly the same boat
01:54:47.220every other administration has been in. The money from big pharma or big ag or big sugar is more
01:54:55.720important to them than the voters. They, they, they're more interested in saving their own
01:55:01.900electoral hides because the corporations have all the dough than they are in actually changing
01:55:08.920things for the better in the country. That's what Kelly's trying to say. Like, if you could
01:55:13.600actually make headway on some of these initiatives, the voters would show up for you with for you.
01:55:20.100They would show up. You know, you you you could unite them, but you refuse. You keep selling out
01:55:27.620for the quick buck, thinking if you get another hundred million in your war chest, you can put
01:55:32.900together another whole host of ads that are really going to take down Tala Frico. And that's just
01:55:38.140That's not what happened. The voters had their say this time saying, fuck off. We see how grifty you are. Corruption was rated higher than any other issue. More people said that that was their top, like their critical or most important issue than any other issue.1.00
01:55:55.420I think it even beat cost of living or at least tied. It was 90 percent. So it didn't work. And yet they're not going to learn. They're not going to say, OK, now we will reject the money from Pepsi. No, they're not, especially with Cali gone.
01:56:08.240Yeah, and big sugar has been a problem for Republicans, or actually, it's been kind of a sugar daddy for Republicans for years and years of the Fonjul brothers. It definitely influences our policy towards Cuba. Tim Carney, Peter Schweitzer have done good reporting on this stuff from the right for very many years. But I think what happened with Maha is that we have this like whiplash. I love that you played those clips back to back because it just took me back into that moment early in the administration, especially after Donald Trump won in November of 2024 through January of 2025.
01:56:35.200And I think about that picture of Trump getting inaugurated with all of these CEOs behind him,
01:56:40.840mostly tech CEOs, but you have Bezos, you have all these guys, Elon, they're all behind him.
01:56:45.660And I think the message then from Donald Trump was, I have conquered these oligarchs.
01:56:53.060The question for me was always, was it like that? Or was it the other way around that they were
01:56:58.200conquering him? And I feel like more and more, we're getting the answer that he was the one
01:57:02.480that was conquered. And part of the problem is that, listen, one of the reasons I have a hard
01:57:06.640time voting anymore, I'm not telling people not to vote, but one of the reasons I have a hard time
01:57:09.740voting is that I've been here long enough. And I just don't know that anybody, and I sound as
01:57:13.680jaded as Callie does there, but I don't know that anybody can resist the structural incentive system
01:57:18.900here in Washington, D.C. So what you need is somebody who runs on a platform like Drain the
01:57:23.880Swamp and makes it their mission to structurally reform the way that the administrative state
01:57:28.740works, the way that money in politics works, but that feels almost impossible.
01:57:33.360So I have to say, like, I'm not blowing smoke on Tucker, but I do think the Tucker, Joe Kent,
01:57:41.660Thomas Massey, MTG thing that's happening would resist it. I do. Maybe I'm being naive,
01:57:47.820but I do think there's a collection of people that are so angry about the Iran war and the0.99
01:57:54.080corruption and this bullshit that if they could somehow rise to power with donations from, you0.96
01:57:59.460know, individuals, five and ten dollar donations, that kind of thing, and possibly have independent0.99
01:58:03.880wealth, they could do it. I don't I just don't think that group Thomas Massey's proven he can't
01:58:08.920be bought and paid for. You know, I just Joe Kent. No way. His wife was killed in one of these foreign
01:58:14.120wars. Like he is not going to bend the knee to the military industrial complex. And he quit after
01:58:18.160Trump launched that war. Tucker, he's independent, wealthy, and he could do it. Like, I just think
01:58:22.480there is a group that's bubbling up right now that is, to quote the movie, mad as hell and
01:58:28.680they're not going to take it anymore. And I've been told by every pundit who's come on here
01:58:32.720that I need to write them off, that they can't do it. And I've told all of them, I just, I wouldn't
01:58:36.520be so sure. Just think the mood of the electorate is much more with those guys than it is with any
01:58:42.180of the traditional parties. Oh, it totally is. I mean, Gallup's polling has found a record number
01:58:45.520of people identify as independent in this country. It's like 45% of the country identifies as
01:58:50.660independent according to Gallup's polling, which they've done over many, many years. And so I
01:58:54.340wonder actually, like the whiplash between 2024 and 2026, I wonder also if we look back at 2028
01:59:00.120on 2026, where you have Democrats riding this wave and feeling like they've now initiated a
01:59:04.840vibe shift and saying like making jokes about woke being back and all that sort of thing.
01:59:09.020If we look back in 2028 or 2030, and Democrats are once again feeling like they got left out in
01:59:14.200the vibe shift because people right now are totally open to new discussions and ideas and
01:59:20.920the old gatekeepers are their power is like totally waning people can circumvent them with
01:59:25.980information like Callie on Joe Rogan I mean yes he went on I think he also went on CBS and made
01:59:30.700this message but it doesn't come across like it does in a free-flowing two-hour conversation with
01:59:34.720Joe Rogan which was I think a very very powerful glimpse inside Washington the only solution is to
01:59:41.760limit government, not to change government. Changing the party from one to the next is not
01:59:48.900going to do much. It's going to accomplish very little. The only real solution is to limit the
01:59:53.860power these fuckers have over us so that they're not in a position to exploit it to the extent0.99
01:59:59.040both of them have. That's truly our only option at this point. And to hope that private industry1.00
02:06:26.900because Turning Point started to tweet a lot
02:06:31.460about what she had said, and so did many of us.
02:06:36.020And then they started to lose advertisers,
02:06:38.960one after the other, after the other, after the other.0.70
02:06:42.580And now they've lost 25 advertisers who want nothing to do with this disgusting, toxic brand.
02:06:51.720And here was her follow-up statement after she tried to issue a paper statement, quote, apologizing.
02:06:59.120It was a lie. It wasn't a real apology.
02:07:02.100It was she didn't mean to make light of gun violence.
02:07:07.700She didn't mean to make light of gun violence.
02:07:09.880Nothing about Charlie's humanity, nothing about how genuinely rattling and disturbing that was to most sane Americans, never mind the right wing who loved Charlie, but just absolutely no thought for people's humanity and what this is actually doing, not to mention Erica Kirk and his children.
02:07:29.440And then she must have heard from her little hateful minions who watched that show and decided to come out like, oh, I'm a badass now.0.99
02:07:37.140everyone can fuck right off. And this was the follow-up message we got in SOT 29.0.99
02:07:43.160All right. There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the titty babies over at
02:07:48.640Turning Point. Andrew, we're never, ever going to sit down and listen to you. When we apologize
02:07:56.960for laughing at a joke on our podcast, that wasn't for you. That was for us because somebody I love
02:08:03.520very much died from gun violence two years ago and i just didn't feel good about that i don't expect
02:08:10.560you to understand this because at turning point y'all laugh at violence all the time for you to
02:08:15.200think that apology was for you just exemplifies how out of whack you are with where the american
02:08:22.160people are right now let's grow this thing and show turning point how irrelevant they are
02:08:27.280are. Okay. So I don't think that her podcast is going away. I think she'll plug it in and get
02:08:37.380subscriptions. And, but what I am concerned about is that there is an audience for this, that this
02:08:43.600is scratching the itch of some, some number. I don't know. They're never ranked anywhere. I have
02:08:49.300to be honest. I watch the podcast ranks. You're never up there, sweetheart, and you never will
02:08:53.000be with this brand. But some collection of leftists is getting off to this. And that I do
02:09:00.000find deeply disturbing. She gets a lot of big interviews and has really fashioned herself as
02:09:04.120more than a podcaster, but also an activist and agitator for the party to go in a much more
02:09:08.960progressive direction, which I mean, it's all it's odd. It's a lot of it is her anti Israel
02:09:14.840sentiment that she tries to channel into these interviews with major politicians. But she's not
02:09:20.200just a comedian, right? She's not Chapo Trap House. She's somebody who's trying to actually
02:09:24.440be an activist within the Democratic Party and a serious political commentator that gets really0.93
02:09:28.640big interviews. So I think there's a significant difference. If you're part in the political
02:09:33.560ecosystem, the ecosystem of the discourse is a comedian, that's one thing. If you're part in the
02:09:38.100ecosystem of the discourse is to be a serious podcast commentator slash activist trying to
02:09:43.020nudge actively the politics of the Democratic Party in an ideological, particular ideological
02:09:47.840direction, if you're a part of that movement, and you are seen as a significant part of that
02:09:52.020movement by the politicians who sit down with you, then yeah, you're gonna have to, you're
02:09:56.520gonna have to reap the consequences of this type of thing. And I just like, I don't like the idea
02:10:01.220of pressuring companies to make speech related decisions. It's I just don't like it. I've seen
02:10:07.000it too many times. I understand why that's happening in this case, particularly, it's not
02:10:11.440because somebody said that, you know, a biological woman is not a man. This is over a joke about a
02:10:18.580political assassination from somebody who wants to see herself as sort of like the tip of the spear
02:10:22.800for the Democratic Party going in a further left direction. And it's just so sad. I mean,
02:10:27.640even her bringing it saying it's not for you, Andrew, it's for us. It's about me. It's because
02:10:32.040I like it is all just profoundly sad. She has built her personality around anti Trump politics,
02:10:37.600around anti-conservative politics. Going back to their days at Bravo, their entire shtick was being
02:10:42.400anti-conservative Christian, anti-evangelical Christian. They have built their entire lives
02:10:47.600around that brand, and it has to be so painful and exhausting and sad. And I feel like you can
02:10:54.340see that. They would never admit to it publicly, but you can just see it. It's sad. It's sad. They
02:10:59.020need something more fulfilling and positive to center their lives around than this, because
02:11:03.680going off about how bitterly you hate your fellow countrymen, how bitterly you hate people who are
02:11:09.200also just trying to do the right thing, but disagree with you. Like to have that much hate
02:11:13.000in your heart, man, that's just a terrible way to go about life. That sucks. I'm going to pray0.99
02:11:16.980for her tonight because that's awful. Yeah, same. Honestly, because that level of commentary,
02:11:23.120I feel about that level of commentary, those words, those sentiments, that messaging, the way
02:11:27.560I felt during COVID when we would walk around the streets of New York and occasionally you would see
02:11:32.180a pile of human excrement on the sidewalk.
02:11:35.500Just look away, like get away and look away
02:11:38.160and try not to think too much about it
02:11:40.700because it's just obviously something happened there
02:12:35.060Dave Chappelle was out there this weekend in an absolutely disgusting display, and he's0.99
02:12:42.780far more powerful than these two losers, also celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.0.94
02:12:50.040Um, he was at Madison Square Garden on Friday, and here's what he said, Sot 23.0.99
02:12:55.660I feel fucked up saying this. It's scary being a public speaker. And I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk, got murdered, and I shouldn't say this publicly, but I feel better.0.94
02:13:20.340I know I shouldn't say that, but it's just a feeling.
02:13:25.660So just in case you didn't think he meant it or was out of context, there he is following up saying Charlie's looking up at us laughing, meaning he's in hell.
02:13:54.300So it was clearly a joke about Charlie. He meant it. And he's openly saying, I mean, the irony that he began with, it's scary to be a public speaker. His fright came from, he was about to say something controversial. Charlie was a public speaker and got his fucking neck blown out.
02:14:12.580So Dave Chappelle should take a moment to sit back and think about what fear actually looks like, because it's people on our side of the aisle who now genuinely have to worry about that shit.1.00
02:14:22.680Not you, Dave Chappelle. You were wanted like you were going into a presidential event before you went into Madison Square Garden to see him.0.98
02:14:29.520Guess what? I'm sorry to break it to you, but it's our people who are being gunned down, who are literally being shot at political events, including pundits, not just presidents, not just their supporters, but random pundits.
02:14:41.820out there speaking, and having respectful debate with people across the aisle from them,
02:14:47.640like Charlie. So you can fuck yourself, Dave Chappelle. Go fuck yourself. I'm so disgusted1.00
02:14:54.440with him. What a pig. He's a pig. I dare him to come on this show and say it. Come on. Let's go.1.00
02:15:02.140Say it to somebody like me. You can call me a racist. You can say whatever you want to say.0.96
02:15:06.780come on my show and have the balls to say it to somebody who will fight back and who will tell you0.99
02:15:12.720what it felt like to love the man who had his head blown off. You fucking asshole.1.00
02:15:19.000It's unbelievable. His supporters first tried to come out and say it was taken out of context.1.00
02:15:23.000It wasn't taken out of context. When you hear the so-called context, Emily, it makes it worse.
02:15:28.080He went on and on, talked about what a great mood he's been in every time he thinks about
02:15:33.300Charlie getting his head blown off. What an asshole. I'm sorry to just resort to ad hominem1.00
02:15:39.960swear words, but it's, I just don't, what else conveys the level of anger that that makes you
02:15:48.660feel? I don't feel sorry for Dave Chappelle. I actually feel just nothing but anger. He's had
02:15:53.940nothing but gifts from this amazing country. The people there, you could hear even they were
02:15:59.700groaning. There were a couple of laughs, but there was a lot of groaning going on. And the woman
02:16:04.340filming was like, come on, that's not nice. And he doesn't care. He thinks he's banking on being
02:16:10.480applauded for that level of hate. And yes, dehumanization. And he knows full well Charlie's
02:16:17.180got two babies at home wondering where their father is. There's something wrong with Dave
02:16:24.620Chappelle and these others who are continuously celebrating the political assassination of a fellow
02:16:30.100American. Well, right now, polling shows it definitely is, there's definitely more inclination
02:16:35.240to say or to agree with political violence being justified, to justify political violence,
02:16:39.420especially on the young left. And so that is a real thing that people could go look up. There's
02:16:44.620research that shows that is most prevalent in that cohort. You know, with Dave Chappelle,
02:16:50.260if I'm not mistaken, he actually was attacked on stage when he was in this phase of his career,
02:16:54.360where he was pushing back on the left and Charlie defended him. If I'm, if I'm remembering this,
02:16:58.980Charlie defended him over that, which is the correct, which is a correct position. Like
02:17:02.840nobody, I don't think it would be right to, you know, call up Netflix or Madison square garden
02:17:06.980and say, stop hosting Dave Chappelle. I guess, uh, I'm, I'm curious to hear the set. I've been
02:17:12.220a fan of Dave Chappelle. That's where he was attacked. Yeah. And so it's like, well, I mean,
02:17:16.880is it for me, it's kind of a character question. Like what point is he trying to make with this
02:17:21.500joke? Is he making a joke that he actually feels relieved at somebody's political assassination,
02:17:27.320that it actually let off some type of pressure relief inside of him? Because that's mystifying.
02:17:32.880I mean, that's actually definitely hard to understand. And I think it does speak to also
02:17:37.140how the myth of Charlie Kirk that was really attempted to be set by the left after his
02:17:43.400assassination has taken hold in so many people's minds that he was something that he actually
02:17:48.440wasn't at the end of his life, that he was a person, that he was a caricature, that when he
02:17:53.580was assassinated, the man was taking questions from people who disagreed with him. He said,
02:17:57.340send your best libs to the front of the line. And he was making a concerted effort to engage in
02:18:02.780dialogue and discourse with people. And he was actually defending people like Chappelle. So I
02:18:08.460mean, just to me, that's another part about this that's sad is the legacy of Charlie is in and of
02:18:14.720itself, you know, part of our microculture, that if you're in one silo, you're totally
02:18:19.080resistant to some of the truth and the reality about what he was doing when he was killed.
02:18:24.100I mean, actually, even in the Angry Podcast Lady clip you played, they're still saying
02:18:27.560that it was a MAGA person who did this.
02:18:29.640They're still implying that there was potentially some MAGA motive, because the story is just,
02:18:34.200it's been completely, the narrative has been set for so many people on the left in a way
02:18:38.680that's just out of touch with reality.
02:18:40.080I do wonder if Dave Chappelle is going to fall subject to the same stadium cancellations that Ed Sheeran had to face when Macklemore opened for Ed Sheeran and made some comments about what's happening in Gaza.
02:18:57.240He got cracked down on by Robert Kraft at Gillette Stadium.
02:19:55.360Charlie led a movement. Charlie was important to a lot of us. And honestly, to to celebrate his murder. It's just in a league of its own in terms of depravity. It really is. It's just because, of course, what you celebrate, you know, what you permit, you promote. That's what you're doing.
02:20:11.820You are promoting additional political assassinations and effectively taking the blood on your hands of what this murderer unleashed.
02:20:21.480And then to the nerve of starting it with, it's scary being a public speaker.
02:20:27.000Oh, what a risk you're taking, Dave Chappelle.
02:20:30.000What a risk in saying something controversial, as opposed to somebody like Charlie, who actually went out there trying to advance dialogue with the other side and gave his life for it.0.97
02:20:40.980like the fucking nerve, the irony, like the cluelessness alert for somebody. Maybe he's0.97
02:20:46.360not as smart as I previously suspected. Well, I think he might genuinely be reflecting a sentiment
02:20:52.260like we were talking about earlier that is real. And one of the reasons that, well, we know it's
02:20:56.820real. We've seen other people, you know, show us clearly that it's real. And I think that's one of
02:21:02.100the reasons I don't like the idea of stadium boycotts. Like, I don't want to give Robert
02:21:05.360Kraft more power over our Overton window of political discourse than average people. And
02:21:10.160that to me is what's like most, I don't know, sad or interesting about all of this is just that
02:21:15.200we have millions of people who are our fellow countrymen to persuade that dehumanizing your
02:21:21.300political enemies and justifying political violence. Like I go back to that clip of Hassan
02:21:25.540Piker after, as the, actually, as he learned that Charlie Kirk had been assassinated and he is
02:21:31.020shock jawed, he's pale in the face, slack jawed and pale in the face and saying, yeah, this is
02:21:36.160not good. This is not going to be good for us. And I think, obviously, he's moved on from that
02:21:40.940moment. But that moment is just really important to hold on to. Because when it happens, it's not
02:21:45.720funny. When it happened, nobody was laughing except for some true sickos, like teachers and0.97
02:21:50.300nurses, who were laughing within like the first 24, 48 hours. But like, there are millions of
02:21:55.520people around the country who now do have this justification in their hearts for political
02:21:59.820violence. And that's setting the stage for something that we need to deal with. Because
02:22:03.520if we do not deal with it, it is going to bubble up to the surface and we will find ourselves in
02:22:09.260a very like actually violent situation here in the United States on a daily rolling basis. And
02:22:14.940God forbid it gets to that point, but we clearly have a lot of work to do at pulling some of our
02:22:19.760fellow countrymen back from the brink. I think about what we saw at like Jimmy Carter's funeral,
02:22:26.980You know, we're like, Obama and W were joking around with each other. And it's like, those moments where you see presidents from either side come together and like, yuck it up. And glad hand, notwithstanding political differences are so good for the country. They really are. They may infuriate the most diehard partisans, but what they show you, and especially that's one of the reasons why the peaceful transition of power is so important and why it was disgusting that Trump didn't let it happen in 2020.
02:22:56.520But in any event, that's really important because what it shows the populace is we all fight very hard for the politics that we believe in and the policies we believe in.
02:23:16.120And we understand that a lot of that stuff is part of a game when it comes from the politicians, when it comes to ads and slogans and things like Tala Frico.
02:23:25.440It's part of a game. It's not a pretty game. It's not a nice game, but it's part of a game.
02:23:30.320And while the policy battles are heartfelt, like you mean them, you know, like take the life issue,
02:23:36.340like there's a genuine disagreement between the two parties on that one.
02:23:41.000It doesn't make you hate your fellow American that they disagree with you on it. Like we
02:23:45.220were still Americans first. That's the way it's been for the majority of my lifetime.
02:23:50.400And these people, these cretins are letting that slip away. They're taking it too far.1.00
02:23:57.720It's not just like the demonization of their adversaries. It's the genuine hope that they'll
02:24:03.080be murdered in the most disgusting, violent, upsetting fashion possible. And that is something0.99
02:24:09.480new. That is something evil. And you're right. The bottom line is we should pray for them. So I,
02:24:15.960okay, I will. I will pray for Dave Chappelle too. You should pray for him because if he comes on
02:24:21.260this show, it's not going to go well for him. I'd love to see it. I would love to see that.
02:24:25.540Oh, he's not man enough to do it. Are you kidding? He would claim, oh, so whatever is
02:24:30.460beneath me, I'm not going to go on this, whatever terrible person from Fox News' show. That's not
02:24:34.520why. He doesn't have the balls. He is too afraid. He will never say yes. Too bad too, because that1.00
02:24:41.000would be must-see TV. Emily, great to see you, my friend. Thanks, Megan. All right. We are back
02:24:46.320tomorrow. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.