The Megyn Kelly Show - November 08, 2026


A Second Look: Megyn's 2023 Sitdown with Gov. Ron DeSantis

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00:01:05.300 at New East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's
00:01:15.860 Sunday, a second look bonus show. Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida is on the way out of that
00:01:21.720 role and is suddenly inserting himself right into the political conversation this week.
00:01:27.020 Does he have presidential aspirations for 2028?
00:01:29.640 Duh.
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00:01:32.240 And when he ran for president the last time, we at the MK Show went down to Tallahassee, Florida,
00:01:37.460 for the first ever in-person interview we've done in July of 2023 with him.
00:01:45.240 That is, we're bringing it to you again now.
00:01:48.260 And you can take a look at the positions of Ron DeSantis.
00:01:51.580 And, you know, consistent with the theme of this series, a second look,
00:01:55.720 You can give one to him.
00:01:57.680 Enjoy, and we'll see you Monday.
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00:02:59.000 Thank you for doing this, Governor. We appreciate it.
00:03:00.980 Sure.
00:03:01.400 So let's start with the news of the day.
00:03:03.100 This week we saw the plea agreement between Hunter Biden and the DOJ fall apart in court.
00:03:09.000 The judge noted that the agreement as written could give him sweeping immunity for all sorts of charges, including his foreign business deals.
00:03:17.320 This comes on the heels of two IRS whistleblowers coming forward to say that the DOJ repeatedly intervened in their investigation and undermined it.
00:03:25.220 What does all of this tell you about the state of our Department of Justice?
00:03:29.060 Well, I'll tell you, just to give the judge credit, I mean, I thought the fix was in on this thing.
00:03:32.720 I mean, I thought that this would end up going, sweetheart deal.
00:03:35.720 And then they just kind of move on and say, oh, no, we did deal with Hunter.
00:03:38.660 You know, we're not we're not targeting or we're not we don't have two separate standards.
00:03:42.560 So she's really forced this issue. So I think that that's a good thing.
00:03:46.660 But this Department of Justice, they have a lack of curiosity any time there's incriminating information about somebody that's connected to the D.C. ruling class.
00:03:55.420 And we see that over and over again.
00:03:58.060 And so in that sense, I think they're likely going to try to figure out a way to not hold him fully accountable on this.
00:04:05.620 And that's sad, but I do not expect Merrick Garland to want to press hard against Hunter.
00:04:10.640 I know you've got thoughts on the Department of Justice and how to get to the root of the problem there.
00:04:15.520 This really concerns a lot of Republicans.
00:04:17.680 I mean, how do you even begin?
00:04:19.120 It's got to be so much more complicated than getting rid of the guy at the top.
00:04:22.660 True.
00:04:23.140 But you've got to understand, OK, how did we get here?
00:04:25.060 You know, we have a weaponized FBI and Justice Department.
00:04:28.160 That obviously is not supposed to happen.
00:04:29.800 But I think part of the reason it's happened is because for decades,
00:04:33.180 presidents of both parties have bought into the canard that the DOJ and FBI are, quote, independent.
00:04:38.720 Well, if you're independent, that means you're not accountable.
00:04:40.880 So they would say, oh, the president can't get involved in those agencies.
00:04:43.460 They're independent.
00:04:44.080 They're separate.
00:04:44.540 So they've been able to basically do what they've wanted to for many, many decades.
00:04:48.900 And so our founding fathers would have said, if you have sources of power and power accumulates and there's not constitutional accountability, human nature being what it is, they will abuse the power.
00:05:00.400 So like the founders would not have been surprised to see what ends up happening.
00:05:04.360 So the first thing you got to do as president say, you are not independent agencies.
00:05:07.820 You answer to the elected president of the United States.
00:05:11.180 If the FBI is investigating moms going to school board meetings, those FBI agents should be fired.
00:05:17.980 If they're colluding with big tech to censor speech, they're fired.
00:05:21.460 If the Department of Justice won't go after BLM rioters, then you hold them accountable. 0.54
00:05:27.100 So you have to lean in and be part of that. 0.98
00:05:29.140 That is totally appropriate.
00:05:30.860 There's nothing wrong.
00:05:31.580 The D.C. people will freak out about that because they want that to be their little playpen.
00:05:35.940 They don't want a president to come in and hold them accountable.
00:05:38.820 So just understanding how that works, I think, takes us a long way.
00:05:42.280 You do need a new FBI director.
00:05:44.280 You do need an attorney general who has a backbone that knows if you're cleaning house,
00:05:48.620 you're going to face blowback from The Washington Post and CNN.
00:05:52.600 They are not going to like you.
00:05:54.020 So when you go in a position like that, if you want to be liked by official Washington,
00:05:58.220 you're not going to be able to get the job done.
00:06:00.260 So you just got to understand.
00:06:01.500 I also think we need to break up parts of these agencies and parcel them out in other parts of the country.
00:06:06.460 I mean, take the Civil Rights Division, put it in Oklahoma, take some of these others, put it in there.
00:06:11.560 I think you would end up not having a situation where 99 percent of the people donate to Democrats.
00:06:17.320 I think it would be much more representative and I think it would get out of just the toxic D.C. climate.
00:06:23.100 But we need a major, major house cleaning.
00:06:26.020 The only way you can do that is if you're disciplined, focused as president and you are setting the agenda for these agencies to follow.
00:06:32.560 Now, speaking of government agencies, you told Clay Travis this week that you would consider making RFK Jr. the head of the CDC or the FDA.
00:06:40.420 Well, I think that headline misquoted what I said.
00:06:44.120 He asked me about RFK Jr. for VP because there's chatter on our side about doing that.
00:06:49.420 And I said no, because ultimately he's a liberal.
00:06:51.680 Like, we agree on Fauci.
00:06:53.480 We agree on the medical swamp and how pharma has taken FDA captive.
00:06:58.700 So we are going to clean house on that.
00:07:00.660 I've said that from the beginning.
00:07:01.720 I mean, we're going to drain the medical swamp in D.C.
00:07:04.420 So it wouldn't be he would be the head of CDC.
00:07:06.760 That would be a doctor or a Ph.D.
00:07:08.760 But I'm going to have probably a task force to go in there, hold people accountable for
00:07:14.000 COVID, hold people accountable for what things are happening.
00:07:17.180 So it would be more in that role that I'd want to get a bipartisan group of people together
00:07:21.400 who understand the problem, understand the federal government's COVID response was a
00:07:26.840 disaster that hurt people, that hurt this country.
00:07:29.760 We're still feeling the effects of it now with the kids who were locked out of school, the high prices.
00:07:34.740 We would not have had the inflation that we had had they not done the Fauci lockdowns and the CARES Act and all this other stuff.
00:07:41.360 So it was more in that context. So for the CDC and FDA, we will have doctor, Ph.D. type.
00:07:47.600 But they're going to be people like a Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford who was right on COVID, not going to be some of these people that are just part of this revolving door.
00:07:56.120 OK, so not the head, part of a bipartisan task force, possibly.
00:08:00.060 Yeah, yeah. I think the word I use is like, you know, let's sick him on these agencies, you know, to hold them accountable.
00:08:06.060 And that would be part of being kind of outside the agency and getting answers and bringing accountability to bear.
00:08:12.040 We will absolutely do that. That needs to be done.
00:08:14.760 I think I'm really the only candidate that's even talking about that on the Republican side.
00:08:18.800 But I just don't think we can just sweep under the rug what happened during COVID.
00:08:23.280 it. And it's personal for me because Florida, we fought back against that. And we took the arrows
00:08:27.380 for that, which is fine. But I think that if we don't hold them accountable, they are going to do
00:08:32.560 it again. They don't think they did anything wrong. And I don't think we can do that. So
00:08:38.780 accountability means this will never happen again. Unfortunately, this week, Mitch McConnell
00:08:43.540 suffered a medical incident in front of the microphones, made a lot of news.
00:08:47.540 Partisan cooperation and a string of...
00:08:53.540 Now we've learned that he collapsed at least one other time in recent history.
00:09:09.120 He's 81 years old.
00:09:10.740 We've seen some problems with other politicians around that age, including our current president.
00:09:16.020 What does this tell you, if anything, about the dangers or the risks in electing people in their 80s to serve?
00:09:22.440 Yeah, look, it used to not be that way.
00:09:24.240 I mean, used to, you know, you kind of serve in your prime and then then pass the baton to the next generation.
00:09:29.800 And I think this generation has not really been as willing to do that.
00:09:34.260 Look, I think that we need one of the reasons I'm running compared to Biden.
00:09:38.100 I mean, my gosh, we need energy in the executive.
00:09:40.880 You know, we need some vigor, some vitality.
00:09:42.680 And when I go in on day one, like we will spit nails starting January 20th, 2025.
00:09:47.960 I mean, it'll be day after day after day.
00:09:49.740 We're going to have all the executive orders written before we take office.
00:09:53.260 All the legislation we want will be done.
00:09:55.400 We'll have thousands of appointees to send to the Senate for confirmation.
00:09:59.320 We're not going to miss a beat and we're going to take advantage of every opportunity.
00:10:02.740 But but you've got to be you've got to be vigorous.
00:10:05.320 You've got to have energy to be able to do that.
00:10:07.780 And so I think the American people, I do think they're ready to kind of say, OK,
00:10:11.540 you know, let's try the next generation. You think about, you know, Joe Biden,
00:10:15.720 you're basically half his age. He got elected as a senator before I was even born. I mean,
00:10:21.160 think about how long, you know, he's been around. And clearly, you just watch him. And it's not good
00:10:26.860 for our country to have a president that's floundering around like that. It doesn't project
00:10:31.720 strength to our adversaries. It doesn't inspire confidence in our allies. And I think Americans
00:10:37.040 look and they want to see a president that they can have confidence in. And Biden is just not
00:10:42.560 that with how he's been behaving. Let's talk about 2024. Right now, according to the Real
00:10:48.320 Clear Politics average of most polls, you're any place from 30 to 40 points behind Donald Trump.
00:10:54.220 The other candidates catching up to you in Iowa and South Carolina, your campaign losing a lot
00:10:59.420 of money, according to the reports, and you just fired one third of your staff. So what happened?
00:11:04.720 Well, no, look, I think that it's not a national primary.
00:11:08.360 If you go into these early states, we are doing very, very well in places like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina.
00:11:14.720 And that's really what it's all about.
00:11:16.680 In terms of the campaign, we raise more money than both Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
00:11:21.880 You spent more.
00:11:22.480 We spent less than Trump, but still, as a leader, I have a commander's intent, focus on early states.
00:11:30.460 It's not a national primary.
00:11:31.740 if my organization was not following commander's intent, then I've got to make the change
00:11:35.920 to make sure we're doing what we're doing. So we've done that. And you're going to see more
00:11:40.840 and more in the early states because I think that that's ultimately what it is. I also understand
00:11:44.360 we've tried to use this early period to put the building blocks in place to be able to turn out
00:11:50.060 people on caucus night, to be able to turn out people for the New Hampshire primary. Right now
00:11:54.920 over the summer, voters are not making decisions about who they're going to support finally. I
00:12:00.780 mean, this is kind of like name ID and all this other stuff who's in the news. So we're doing the
00:12:04.900 things on the ground that I think you need to do to be able to win. I can tell you when we're on
00:12:08.700 the ground in these places, we've gotten an incredible response. We've had more legislators
00:12:13.780 in Iowa, New Hampshire endorse us than any other candidate and probably all the other candidates
00:12:18.660 combined, because I think they see that we would be able to be a strong candidate against Joe Biden.
00:12:24.080 They want to see someone at the top of the ticket that's going to lift up the legislative candidates.
00:12:28.040 and a lot of them have viewed me as that guy.
00:12:30.880 Well, what do you make?
00:12:31.500 I mean, the campaign itself has said it needed a reset
00:12:33.680 and that it's doing a reset right now.
00:12:35.980 Are you saying there haven't been problems?
00:12:37.620 But that's a process part.
00:12:40.020 That's not about message
00:12:41.460 and that's not about getting out there with voters.
00:12:44.320 You know, that's about how you're applying resources
00:12:46.380 to the campaign headquarters versus the early states.
00:12:49.680 So that's been taken care of.
00:12:51.340 But ultimately, that is not
00:12:53.020 what's going to be determinative in the race.
00:12:55.660 What's going to be determinative in the race is,
00:12:57.520 you know, we need someone that can beat Joe Biden. We need somebody that's going to be a
00:13:01.080 strong leader that has a record of success. We need someone that's actually going to get this
00:13:05.240 stuff done. We talk about things like the border. We talk about things like the economy. We talk
00:13:10.600 about things like dealing with, say, the medical bureaucracy. But we actually have to bring this
00:13:15.740 to fruition. And what I bring is someone in Florida, everything I said I would do,
00:13:20.180 we delivered on. And in fact, most people over promise and under deliver. We made bold promises
00:13:25.980 and we over-delivered on our promises.
00:13:28.400 And so that's the type of leader they'll get with me.
00:13:30.800 What do you make of the polls that show,
00:13:32.480 including Monmouth yesterday,
00:13:33.840 showing that 69% of Republican voters
00:13:36.240 think that Trump is the most electable candidate
00:13:39.180 running right now in the GOP,
00:13:40.500 that he's the most likely to beat Joe Biden?
00:13:42.400 That was always one of your best arguments,
00:13:43.940 that you were more electable than Trump.
00:13:45.720 Well, I mean, I think if you look at these,
00:13:47.720 look, I take the polls with a grain of salt,
00:13:49.620 but if you look at polls for general election
00:13:52.300 in the key states like Georgia, Arizona,
00:13:54.520 I beat Biden. Trump loses to Biden. I mean, that's been very consistent in those. And if you can't
00:14:00.300 win Georgia, you can't win the presidential election. I'd also point out, you know, he ran
00:14:05.480 in Florida in 2020, won by three. I won Florida by 20 in 2022. And so we were able to make inroads
00:14:12.940 winning 60 plus percent of Hispanic voters. We won a majority of female voters. We won
00:14:18.540 independence by 18 percent. At the end of the day, you can't do this with just Republicans.
00:14:23.320 And we did very well with Republicans.
00:14:24.940 I mean, I think we won 97 percent of Republicans.
00:14:27.320 But you've got to be able to get independence.
00:14:29.820 And I think we have an opportunity to do like we did in Florida.
00:14:32.500 Get some of these Democrats who realize their party has gone off the rocker on things like education and parents' rights and crime.
00:14:40.680 And so we have a chance to do that.
00:14:42.520 I just think there's too many voters out there.
00:14:44.960 They just will never vote for Trump under any circumstance.
00:14:47.620 On the subject of independence, a recent CNN poll showed that right-leaning independents favor Trump over you by 27 points.
00:14:54.580 Independent primary voters surveyed by YouGov a month ago said they plan to vote for Trump over you by a 29-point margin.
00:15:01.100 So what's the evidence that you have that independents favor you?
00:15:04.440 I'm not known nationally as much as Trump is.
00:15:07.580 I mean, so that's why you run a campaign.
00:15:09.400 That's why you go out and do that.
00:15:10.880 That's why we have things like debates.
00:15:12.680 That's why you're in the early states, because you've got to introduce yourself to voters.
00:15:16.860 You've got to let them know what your accomplishments are, and you've got to let them know what you plan to do for the country.
00:15:22.620 And if that just happened the day you announced, then there would be no need to have to run any of these campaigns.
00:15:28.160 And so, you know, we're still six months away from Iowa, and we're going to put a lot of work in between now and then.
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00:16:31.460 you do have to let them know you have to get out there and you haven't been going out there that
00:16:35.560 much you've been going mostly to conservative safe spaces but now you seem to be shifting a
00:16:40.380 little bit more. I saw you on CNN recently. Now you're sitting with me. I'm a right-leaning
00:16:44.100 independent. So is this a change in your media strategy? And are we going to be seeing more of
00:16:48.560 you out there? Well, what I've typically done is, you know, I do media availabilities all the time.
00:16:53.460 I've probably done more press conferences as governor than any governor in history.
00:16:56.980 And all these people can come and ask me questions. And so we're going to continue to do that
00:17:01.100 on the campaign trail. You know, we may sit down for some more interviews as we continue to go.
00:17:06.500 I think it's good. I mean, I think people like to hear directly.
00:17:10.380 But the idea that I was not engaging with with hostile media, you know, that's just not been true.
00:17:15.100 In fact, that's kind of how I got known as governor.
00:17:17.380 You did as governor. We were fighting the covid wars and all that.
00:17:20.480 Yes. But since you've actually declared, it seems like you've been in a conservative bunker.
00:17:24.080 Well, we've done you know, we have a traveling press.
00:17:26.900 You know, we do we do the media availabilities.
00:17:29.000 We're going to continue to do that and probably do do more as time goes by.
00:17:32.960 Don't you think that would help you?
00:17:33.980 don't you think having a viral moment with, you know, somebody in the far left who hates you
00:17:37.920 is going to be helpful to you? It could. I mean, it definitely has helped me in the past. And I
00:17:42.200 think a lot of times they are in their own cocoon. And so they're trying to propagate narratives,
00:17:47.240 but these narratives are easy to deconstruct. And so if you just know your stuff, you know,
00:17:51.720 you can, you can handle that very easily. All right. Now, one of the criticisms I hear
00:17:55.540 about you from people who watch and listen to my show is he's to establishment, right? You've heard,
00:18:00.600 You've heard Trump say globalists, the rhino, but he's too establishment.
00:18:04.780 They think that you're too close to the Paul Ryan, Karl Rove wing of the party and that if they elect you, you'll be too beholden to the big money donors inside the Republican Party.
00:18:15.360 The numbers on that for that is what?
00:18:17.120 Well, I mean, this is what my listeners feel, but I'll give you one.
00:18:20.780 Only 17 percent of your donations second quarter came from small dollar donors.
00:18:25.140 Eighty two percent of Trump's did.
00:18:26.760 So you can see why they're worried that you're going to be beholden to these GOP elites and
00:18:31.620 not worried about the grassroots concerns. So first of all, I have not spoken to Paul Ryan
00:18:35.680 since I've been governor. So that's many, many years. I've met Karl Rove once. That's all just
00:18:40.440 totally fabricated out of whole cloth. I also have a record as governor of Florida. I beat Disney on
00:18:48.560 the parents' rights. They're a pretty powerful financial institution in the state of Florida.
00:18:54.180 We stood up to the global elites, not just national establishment, international establishment against the covid lockdowns.
00:19:02.700 We stood up. I mean, I've restored the Everglades in Florida.
00:19:06.460 I had to stand up against the big sugar companies who had who had dominated Florida for a long time.
00:19:11.360 We've stood up to big pharma, not just by trying to get cheaper prescription drugs.
00:19:15.700 I actually have a grand jury impaneled to investigate misrepresentations that they made
00:19:21.620 about the COVID-19 vaccine. So I've stood up to these people more than anybody else has done.
00:19:29.040 How many establishment Republicans would have sent illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard? 0.76
00:19:34.520 They just wouldn't have done it. So I think a lot of that is fabricated. And look,
00:19:40.120 on the, I have the second best small dollar operation in Republican politics. I mean,
00:19:46.160 Trump was president for, so I mean, of course he's going to have a better operation, but ours
00:19:50.080 is growing and growing. And if you look at the new donors, the smaller ones, 30% of ours never
00:19:56.860 donated to Republican politics before they came to me. So we're bringing more people in and we're
00:20:01.960 going to continue to do well with that. The other question about Trump, and then I'll move on to
00:20:06.840 some more substantive issues. He says this is a disloyal act, and I know you've spoken to that
00:20:11.680 before, but he says specifically that you got elected governor because of him, that you were
00:20:16.100 dead in the race, and that you, quote, came over and begged him for an endorsement with tears
00:20:21.360 coming down from your eyes. And do you believe that? Is it true? Do you believe that? You tell
00:20:26.160 me. I mean, come on. This was public. I think we were on Air Force One. I said, hey, I'm thinking
00:20:31.060 about running. Will you support me? Will you tweet for me? He's like, yeah, I'll tweet for you.
00:20:34.540 And that was it. And that was all that. But here's the thing. Politicians have to earn support.
00:20:40.900 Nobody's entitled to support. You know, I'm loyal to my family. I'm loyal to our Constitution.
00:20:46.020 And I'm loyal to God. That is where my loyalty goes. I'll work with politicians to try to advance
00:20:52.400 what I believe is in the best interests of Florida and the country. But at the end of the day,
00:20:57.340 it's about, you know, who can get the job done. And that's how I view it. And it's interesting.
00:21:01.740 He doesn't say that about his own vice president running against him.
00:21:05.480 He doesn't say that about his ambassador to the U.N. running against him.
00:21:09.220 He doesn't say that about other people he endorsed in the past who are now running against him.
00:21:13.700 He only says it about me because I think he construes me as the only threat to his winning the nomination.
00:21:19.300 What about to the people who say it's not your turn, it's still his turn.
00:21:22.400 He got screwed out of his first term by Russiagate and the impeachment.
00:21:25.960 He got an unfair shot at it second time around because of all the election shenanigans.
00:21:30.240 and that it's it. He deserves to have this next republic. We're not a monarchy. It's nobody's
00:21:36.260 turn. You have every right to put yourself forward. You know, I believe at this point
00:21:40.500 in history, 2024 is make or break for this country. I'm not running to be president.
00:21:45.180 I'm running to do something as president for the country. I think I'm the guy that can win
00:21:50.480 the primary, win the general election and then deliver on all of these things and do it for two
00:21:56.320 terms, which I think is really important, because if you look Trump's first term, he did a lot of
00:22:00.860 good things. Biden reversed almost everything on day one. I think you do need two terms for this
00:22:05.780 stuff to really, really stick. And so I think that I'm the only guy that fits that bill. So I have a
00:22:10.960 responsibility to step up and offer myself for service. Let's talk about Florida for one minute.
00:22:15.520 The Department of Education is in the news this week. They issued new guidelines when it comes to
00:22:20.040 teaching things like slavery. They are teaching its innumerable horrors. That's clear. But they
00:22:26.820 are also requiring teachers to instruct that, quote, slaves develop skills, which in some
00:22:31.880 instances could be used for personal benefit. As you know, the vice president made an emergency
00:22:35.980 trip down here to Florida to say you were whitewashing history, that these are lies.
00:22:40.900 Even GOP presidential candidate Will Hurd, who is black, weighed in saying slavery was not a
00:22:45.280 jobs program. What's your response to all this? Well, that those standards were developed by
00:22:49.800 African-American history scholars. Many of them themselves were black. And the point about
00:22:54.880 developing skills was those skills were developed in spite of slavery, not because of slavery. And
00:23:00.740 that's what they're doing. And then they're saying they had skills postbellum. Then they would use
00:23:04.700 those skills as freedmen. And that's exactly what happened. And there's actually been other courses.
00:23:09.800 So the AP African-American history.
00:23:12.120 So we had a kerfuffle on that earlier this year because they there was a lot of the course was good.
00:23:17.480 But then they had part of it that was like Marxist studies.
00:23:19.940 And we said, no, you know, we don't want the indoctrination.
00:23:22.240 So we got attacked because we stood up against that.
00:23:24.780 You won that. We won it.
00:23:25.900 But in that course, they had the same basic teaching point about the skills that were developed.
00:23:33.740 And this is not something that was just made up out of whole cloth by our working working group.
00:23:38.440 This is something that people have been talking about.
00:23:40.640 And this was all done in public.
00:23:42.040 It wasn't political.
00:23:43.200 Like, we didn't tell them what to do.
00:23:44.540 We said, you know, we're not doing critical race.
00:23:46.740 We're not doing a political agenda.
00:23:48.260 Just do the facts.
00:23:49.300 And they did a very thorough job.
00:23:51.220 I mean, if you look at all the things they're talking about.
00:23:53.600 But what do you think of Kamala Harris coming down here and trying to tell everybody that 0.83
00:23:56.420 you're lying, that you've decided to lie to the American public about slavery?
00:24:00.100 Well, the White House has been obsessed with us in Florida from the time they took office.
00:24:04.820 Clearly, they view us as a threat.
00:24:06.840 And so anything that they can do to try to ding us.
00:24:09.640 But I think in this case, people looked at it and they could tell she was lying and she was demagoguing it.
00:24:15.240 I mean, this stuff was vetted.
00:24:16.860 This was all public.
00:24:18.320 People could do comments.
00:24:19.700 Everyone was praising what a thorough job they did.
00:24:22.680 Then all of a sudden they cherry pick something, take it out of context and then try to demagogue it.
00:24:28.100 Because if you look at the entire standards, there is no way you can view those standards and not come to any other conclusion that they are very, very honest about the injustice of slavery.
00:24:39.780 And that's time and time again you see through that.
00:24:42.540 So I think the thing that's instructive, though, is, OK, you have Harris doing this and Biden's White House.
00:24:48.580 Corporate media, you know, if they're really truth tellers, if they're about holding the powerful accountable, they would have pushed back on this.
00:24:56.000 They would have said, wait a minute, you know, that's not true.
00:24:58.140 They would have had Dr. Allen on to shoot it down.
00:25:01.180 And instead, they try to concoct the narrative even further and push it.
00:25:06.340 So I think people like Harris do it because they know they can get away with it with a lot of our corporate press.
00:25:11.260 We had Dr. Allen on and he said the teachers union was sitting there, lying there like snakes in the grass at these meetings, not saying anything, not objecting to any of this until after it became a controversy.
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00:26:17.100 iGaming Ontario. All right, let's shift and talk about Disney. You mentioned them
00:26:21.840 just a bit. You, in my view, are pretty quick to use the power of the state against certain
00:26:27.100 corporations who you don't like these woke corporations. Disney, after an attack to your
00:26:31.420 Parental Rights and Education Act, Anheuser-Busch recently for hurting the pension investments you
00:26:35.980 said of Floridians with the whole Bud Light debacle. Much as the base is angry at these
00:26:41.220 woke corporations, and I get it, and I know you get it, aren't you doing the very thing to these
00:26:46.640 companies that conservatives are mad at left wing leaders for doing using government to punish
00:26:52.360 citizens for political wrong think. No, not at all. So taking Anheuser-Busch, I mean,
00:26:56.400 we're not punishing them. They departed from business practices by indulging in social activism
00:27:03.240 that has caused a huge problem for their company and their and their stock price has gone down.
00:27:08.500 Well, our pension fund in Florida holds Anheuser-Busch InBev stock. So it's actually hurt
00:27:15.420 teachers it's hurt cops it hurts firefighters who depend on that pension fund and so didn't you
00:27:21.500 support the boycott against them no i did but that's just as a personal thing but i mean we
00:27:26.320 didn't have like the the state government you know necessarily you know putting power about it
00:27:30.200 but as as an american i said i'm not i'm not doing anheuser but i'm not doing bud light but for this
00:27:35.000 we're defending uh the people that are beneficiaries of the pension when you go look the wokeness yes
00:27:41.660 it's annoying yes when they're trying to throw an agenda down your throat you don't like it but it
00:27:46.020 does have an impact on the economy it has an impact on people who hold stock and that's not
00:27:52.200 just rich people that's those people so with imbev they departed from their fiduciary duty
00:27:57.800 and so we're investigating how can you say they departed i'm not in favor of the bud lay thing at
00:28:01.860 all but how can you say they departed from their fiduciary duty they sent a beer can to this very
00:28:06.040 controversial person which upset the consumers and the consumers had their say but how is that
00:28:10.620 a departure from there? And how does the state get involved in that? How is that something
00:28:14.400 that is helping their shareholders or helping their companies value?
00:28:19.600 How is that for you to weigh in on it? Because we because I have people in Florida that were
00:28:24.160 injured by the company's decline as a result of that. You know, these are people that rely on
00:28:29.080 on the pension. You know, Disney is a different different issue than this. But but we have to
00:28:35.960 say companies should do their job if they depart from that and they harm people then you have an
00:28:42.340 opportunity to potentially have recourse now disney was an issue where you know they came
00:28:47.740 after the state of florida yes when we were doing fortifying parental rights saying at that time it
00:28:53.660 was k through three no gender ideology or any of that in the schools and to me that was not a huge
00:29:00.660 leap i mean that's common sense why would you want to tell a second grader that they may have been
00:29:05.260 born in the wrong body. That is happening around this country. And we said in Florida, we're not.
00:29:09.020 So they came in against us and they're very powerful in Florida. They usually get whatever
00:29:13.560 they want. So we stood up and we said, no, we're going to do what's best for students and parents.
00:29:18.900 We're not going to count out of Disney. Then after I signed the bill, they put out a statement saying
00:29:23.800 they were going to make it a mission to see that the bill was repealed or overturned in court.
00:29:29.000 So they said they were taking their corporate resources to basically attack parents' rights
00:29:33.960 in Florida and overturn a core state policy. So we had to then make a decision. And the
00:29:38.640 legislature started saying, well, wait a minute. Disney is getting these benefits that they've had
00:29:43.500 for a long time. Maybe we should reevaluate it. And then when you looked at what they got,
00:29:47.820 unbelievable arrangement that they had that no other individual or no other company in the entire
00:29:53.760 state enjoyed. So Florida, for many decades ago, was joined at the hip with this one company.
00:29:59.380 they started going down the road of sexualizing children we just could not be joined at the hip
00:30:05.280 with a company that was doing that that's antithetical to our values in florida so what
00:30:10.680 we said is you know you don't get to control your own government you don't get to be exempt from
00:30:14.940 laws and taxes you're going to live under the same laws as everybody else you're going to be treated
00:30:19.040 like sea world you're going to be treated like universal so that's actually good policy that's
00:30:23.640 taking away corporate welfare and putting everybody on a level playing field but we could
00:30:28.780 not be i mean i couldn't look in the mirror as a parent of a six five and three year old
00:30:33.520 knowing that this company was getting benefits from these are not benefits i gave them this is
00:30:39.400 many many decades ago that they were doing that given the direction that they're going with kids
00:30:44.380 i draw the line at protecting kids we are going to protect our kids and we will take on big
00:30:49.740 corporations to do so are you suggesting you would have done this irrespective of them criticizing
00:30:53.900 and fighting your parents and education act i mean that that this had nothing to do with their
00:30:58.100 on your law? Well, obviously they're supporting sexualizing kids in Florida schools. I mean, 0.89
00:31:03.460 they were putting their corporate weight behind ensuring that that could happen. So of course
00:31:07.680 that was a factor, but that's an admission that they were punished by you in part by the state
00:31:12.680 for their political viewpoint. It's not a punishment. So, so that was part of it. Then
00:31:17.140 they had the zoom videos that were put out where these Disney executives were acknowledging
00:31:21.900 that they wanted to inject the sexualization into their program. Yes, I understand that's
00:31:26.900 different and that's that's less controversial well but but i mean but that was part of the
00:31:30.780 decision where the legislature the support for to maintain this arrangement just collapsed
00:31:36.040 and we were in a situation where he said okay this is a company that's pursuing this direction
00:31:41.860 with respect to children that is fundamentally hostile to the state of florida's policies
00:31:47.740 okay but how is it not viewpoint discrimination we we talked about 303 creative you and i
00:31:52.720 privately, about the U.S. Supreme Court case that just came down. They held in that case,
00:31:56.640 they reminded us, that citizens in this country are free to speak as they wish and not as the
00:32:01.100 government demands. So why can't Disney oppose your law? They can. And why can't they promote
00:32:06.380 this agenda in their viewpoint without being punished by the state? They're not being punished.
00:32:11.800 We're just simply removing special benefits that they have had that really weren't justifiable.
00:32:16.780 They were worse off when it was done than they were before they spoke out. Well, no. I mean,
00:32:21.060 first of all, we didn't actually do anything to Disney. There was a government that had been in
00:32:25.420 place that they had effectively corrupted, which was not the way it was supposed to be, by the way,
00:32:30.640 if you look at how this started in 68. So we changed the governing structure, which really
00:32:36.300 didn't even impact them directly. They're just indirectly, they don't like it because they don't
00:32:40.800 get to call the shots anymore. But they are not entitled to corporate welfare. You do not have a
00:32:45.900 constitutional right to corporate welfare. I know that, but it's not about an entitlement.
00:32:49.200 If I go to my boss and I say, you sexually harassed me, and then suddenly he reduces my salary from $200,000 to $100,000, that's retaliation.
00:32:59.340 I am worse off.
00:33:00.460 And it's not a defense to say, well, everybody else at the company was getting $100,000.
00:33:04.300 You've reduced my circumstances.
00:33:05.540 You've punished me.
00:33:06.980 No, but that's an employer-employee relationship.
00:33:09.720 I think that that's much different.
00:33:11.000 But this is the state taking away a benefit.
00:33:12.760 But your position is basically that Florida should be forced to subsidize Disney regardless of how it's going to use those subsidies so that they can weaponize the subsidies they get from the state and turn it against state policy.
00:33:27.380 Why would we want to subsidize that behavior?
00:33:29.360 Why should Florida taxpayers have to underwrite that?
00:33:32.260 But I don't want a President Gavin Newsom doing this to conservative companies or companies who have a more conservative viewpoint.
00:33:38.020 Well, here's what I would say. I don't think there's any arrangement in America that mirrored
00:33:43.040 the arrangement Disney had in Florida for many, many decades. I mean, I think it was a unique
00:33:48.180 situation where we just could not justify how could you be exempt from laws that every other
00:33:54.640 company and business has to follow an individual? How could you be exempt from taxes? How could you
00:33:59.600 rack up municipal debt on your own when they didn't have it? So they had powers to build
00:34:06.120 their own nuclear power plant. They had extraterritorial eminent domain.
00:34:10.120 I get it, I get it. They had a lot of that.
00:34:11.580 If you lived in a subdivision outside of Disney, they actually had the right to
00:34:16.500 seize your property if they wanted to expand beyond the district. So this was something that
00:34:21.580 was just totally, totally unjustifiable. But it lived on in Florida for many, many decades because
00:34:27.520 they were just so powerful. But take apart all of the stuff with the sexualization children,
00:34:32.980 all that. Just on the merits, was this an arrangement that was justifiable? And the
00:34:37.960 answer is no, but no one really questioned it in the legislature because they enjoyed a lot
00:34:43.060 of political sway. Let's move on. What's your plan to protect women and girls from men who
00:34:50.240 claim they are trans trying to get into our spaces and our sports? Well, in Florida, we've
00:34:55.180 done all of that. So girls' sports, women's sports is protected. Men can't be injecting 1.00
00:35:01.560 themselves into those competitions. It takes away opportunities for girls and for women athletes.
00:35:06.360 And we did that years ago here as governor. We've also protected the locker rooms and the bathrooms
00:35:11.960 so that men are not going into women's very sensitive places. And I think that that should 1.00
00:35:18.660 be the rule, period. We will look within the constitutional authority of the federal government,
00:35:24.800 we'll look to do the same for women's sports and those issues nationally.
00:35:28.500 Title nine. Yeah, I think so. You there was an ad recently released that was controversial online 0.87
00:35:35.580 that portrayed you as a warrior against these LGBTQ issues and Trump is soft on them. The New
00:35:41.860 York Times reports that you were actually behind that ad, your campaign. You definitely promoted
00:35:45.400 it and defended it. Do you think that Trump is soft on this issue, the issue of trans rights
00:35:51.720 versus women's rights? Well, I think that what was pointed out there was, you know, he had been
00:35:56.660 a pioneer in injecting men into women's competitions because he was doing that with
00:36:01.440 beauty pageants way, way back in the day, you know, 10 years ago or whatnot. And then he's also
00:36:07.000 opposed things like protecting locker rooms and bathrooms when he was running. He said North
00:36:11.840 Carolina shouldn't have done that when they did it. So that, I think, is not where our voters are
00:36:16.840 on that. I think our voters believe that standing up for women and girls means protecting their
00:36:22.920 right to compete with integrity and protecting things like bathrooms and locker rooms. And so,
00:36:27.700 you know, he just was had been very clear on that issue. And I don't think that's where our voters
00:36:31.500 are. Do you think he may have changed? I mean, 15 versus now is a lifetime on the issue of the
00:36:36.680 trans rights thing. You know, I don't know. I mean, I think that, you know, it wasn't just that,
00:36:41.600 you know, he had kind of a flippant opinion on it. I mean, you know, he was really one of the
00:36:46.160 leaders in making this a big issue culturally and nationally. Speaking of that campaign ad,
00:36:53.160 one of the complaints I've heard about the DeSantis team is they're too online. There was
00:36:58.260 the Twitter spaces launch, yes, but it's more about the petty Twitter squabbles that we see
00:37:04.700 some connected with your campaign having that will take up three days of the news cycle that
00:37:09.180 don't really amount to anything substantive for the voters in Iowa and elsewhere. Is that a fair
00:37:13.740 point? So look, we have people that are doing this rapid response. I'm not putting my time into
00:37:19.080 it at all. I mean, they're going and going back and forth. There's kind of a battle that does
00:37:23.680 online. I am not somebody who's following that very closely. It's just not my cup of tea. And
00:37:29.360 so I'm following more about what's happening. But you're the commander. No, I get it. But I mean,
00:37:33.380 we have people shooting at us too online every single day. I mean, the fact that you asked about
00:37:38.880 people like Paul Ryan, you know, that was that's all a manufactured online controversy instead of
00:37:45.600 attacks that have no basis in reality. And so there is need to kind of push back on some of
00:37:51.580 this stuff. So I wouldn't say it's too online. I think that there's a place for that. But ultimately,
00:37:57.320 you know, the people in Iowa and New Hampshire, you know, they're not following the latest
00:38:00.420 Twitter war. They're following what's going on in their lives. And I'm very cognizant of that.
00:38:04.300 You recently signed a six-week abortion ban in Florida. That is popular with Republican voters. The majority support that. But you haven't yet said whether you would support doing that at the federal level. Will you say so now?
00:38:18.900 So our bill in Florida protects unborn when there's a detectable heartbeat.
00:38:24.140 The heartbeat bill is something that is rooted in science and medicine.
00:38:28.740 And this is the most significant pro-life protections that we've ever done in the state of Florida in the modern history.
00:38:34.920 So I've been a pro-life governor.
00:38:36.720 I'll be a pro-life president and I will come down on the side of life.
00:38:40.880 We are running on doing things that I know I can accomplish. 0.91
00:38:44.180 So we're going to end the abortion tourism that is in the military.
00:38:48.900 It's an egregious waste of taxpayer dollars, no funding for abortion.
00:38:54.160 We're going to ensure that the Supreme Court remains so that Dobbs is not overturned.
00:38:58.600 And I'm going to be a leader with the bully pulpit to help local communities and states advance the cause of life.
00:39:05.720 But I really believe right now in our society, it's really a bottom-up movement.
00:39:09.900 And that's where we've had most success, Iowa, South Carolina, Florida.
00:39:13.500 And I think you're going to continue to see a lot of good battles there.
00:39:16.320 So you're not in support of a federal law?
00:39:18.540 I'll always come down on the side of life, and I'm proud to be pro-life, and I'll be a pro-life president.
00:39:25.060 But if you do that, I mean, if you sign a federal law, you know, making a six-week standard, the law across the country,
00:39:32.500 aren't we just then going to get a Democrat administration with a Democrat Congress that reverses or that codifies Roe and back and forth?
00:39:38.540 Why isn't it just a state's rights issue?
00:39:40.740 Well, clearly, the states have.
00:39:42.380 I mean, I think the states have the primary jurisdiction of it.
00:39:45.660 They do, but if there's a federal law, that's going to change.
00:39:47.740 I think there is. I think there is a federal interest. But I think the reality is that, you know, the country's divided on it.
00:39:53.680 You know, you're not going to see Wisconsin mimic what Texas has, which is an argument against a federal law.
00:39:59.340 You're not going to see Pennsylvania mimic what Georgia is. Well, but I mean, we're divided.
00:40:04.080 I mean, who's is are these things like on the on the potential thing?
00:40:08.500 I haven't seen Congress move that. I don't have much confidence that Congress is going to do anything meaningful in this regard.
00:40:14.820 And so in a federalist system, you know, you have different opinions and that stuff gets filtered out.
00:40:20.140 But clearly, right now, you are going to see different states go in different directions.
00:40:24.760 And I understand that.
00:40:25.620 That'll happen until and unless we have a federal law on it.
00:40:28.840 On immigration, the southern border is a mess.
00:40:31.440 It's a mess.
00:40:32.320 In 2022, we had 2.4 million encounters with migrants trying to cross the border illegally.
00:40:40.160 Under Trump in 2020, it was 2 million fewer.
00:40:42.880 It was 450,000.
00:40:44.820 So you've been somewhat critical of Trump on the border, saying he did not complete that wall, he promised.
00:40:50.340 But what specifically would you do differently than Biden and Trump to secure that border?
00:40:55.360 Day one, we'll declare it a national emergency.
00:40:57.540 I'll mobilize all resources, including the military, to go.
00:41:01.280 We're going to stop the invasion. 0.54
00:41:02.840 We're not going to entertain the bogus asylum claims.
00:41:05.460 We are going to actually build the wall because I do think that's important.
00:41:08.560 But we're going to have both Border Patrol and military authorized to use deadly force
00:41:14.180 against the Mexican drug cartels who were infiltrating our country.
00:41:17.660 I was actually down in Arizona.
00:41:18.780 There actually was a piece of the wall there.
00:41:20.740 And I go, and it's like big steel beams.
00:41:24.500 And these guys are working on it.
00:41:25.800 I'm like, what are you doing?
00:41:26.380 They're like, well, the cartels cut through the wall.
00:41:29.200 And then they bring in drugs.
00:41:30.700 And basically, Biden just lets it happen.
00:41:33.360 So for us, what I've said, if you're doing that, and you've got a backpack full of fentanyl
00:41:37.580 on and you're trying to scurry in, it's going to be the last thing you do. You are going to end
00:41:41.740 up stone cold dead because I'm going to let our folks do their job. And if you just do that a few 0.78
00:41:47.180 times, you are going to see a major, major change. But here's the thing. Tens of thousands of people
00:41:53.360 are dying in our country because of fentanyl overdose. You can't go to a community in this
00:41:59.180 country without running into a mother who's lost a child. And we're just supposed to just shrug
00:42:05.560 our shoulders and let that happen. So we're going to lean in against the cartels in ways that other
00:42:10.980 presidents have not been able to do. That is going to make an impact. But we cannot allow this poison
00:42:18.020 to just keep coming into our country and killing our young people. On the economy, it's the number
00:42:23.600 one issue, number one still for American voters. Inflation still remains high. People are really
00:42:28.260 suffering. You're not a rich man. You could be with your education and your background, but you've
00:42:32.800 been a public servant. Milk right now, $4 a gallon. Organic milk, $9 a gallon. It's unbelievable.
00:42:40.700 So what are you going to do about it? Well, first of all, what's the root of the high prices? The
00:42:44.800 root is government. This is a government-induced inflation crisis starting in March of 2020 with
00:42:52.500 the $2 trillion CARES Act, the Fed printing money. December 20, you had $2.2 trillion out the door
00:42:59.560 for Biden when he came in. Biden did. American Rescue Plan, another $2 trillion. So when you
00:43:05.280 borrow, print, and spend trillions and trillions of dollars like that, you are going to get
00:43:11.460 inflation. That's a Milton Friedman kind of, he said, 18 months after this happens, you're going
00:43:17.300 to get it. So that's what we've had. And then you had the Federal Reserve. Not only did they print
00:43:21.140 all this money, they said, oh, it's transitory. Don't worry about the inflation. It started going.
00:43:25.820 So now they've been jacking up interest rates because they got behind the ball.
00:43:29.960 So now the average person to buy a home that you can't afford a new home,
00:43:34.860 if you make the median income compared to the median home price with the interest rates where they are,
00:43:40.260 it does not work financially.
00:43:42.300 It's harder to afford a car and, of course, daily expenses like groceries.
00:43:45.940 So you have to rein in Congress's spending, which has caused this.
00:43:50.700 You have to increase and expand our domestic energy production.
00:43:54.240 You know, Biden got rid of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, basically.
00:43:58.160 That kind of kept things.
00:43:59.220 It would have been worse had he not done that, put us in a vulnerable position with fuel.
00:44:03.560 But if we open this up and realize we cannot do a Green New Deal, that is going to help impact inflation.
00:44:11.040 We also need to grow more.
00:44:12.700 So right now we're settling into persistently high prices with a very sluggish economy.
00:44:19.620 And our growth rate over the past decade has been anemic.
00:44:22.420 So we've got to get growing again. And I think that means getting the bureaucracy and government off the backs of small businesses.
00:44:29.120 Trump could be indicted again today over the January 6th behavior. How worried should he be?
00:44:36.680 Well, here's what I would say about this Department of Justice. You know, I'm pledged to end the weaponization of government.
00:44:43.620 I think that they have weaponized these agencies in ways that really hurts the cause of freedom.
00:44:50.860 And it's not just about one person. It's about do we have a rule of law or is it just about wielding power against people you don't like?
00:44:58.020 And so everything that happens in this case and others is for me is seen through that prism of a DOJ and FBI that have totally lost their way and have been weaponized against the public.
00:45:08.500 I think in D.C., there's a big problem that we have in terms of being able to get fair trials.
00:45:14.200 If you are part of the swamp, when Durham went after that guy, he got acquitted.
00:45:19.900 He had him dead to rights, but he got acquitted in front of a D.C. jury.
00:45:23.680 If you're not part of the swamp, man, they will nail you to the wall for jaywalking.
00:45:29.220 One of the things I want to do and work with Congress is to give Americans the right to remove a case if they're charged in D.C. federally.
00:45:35.940 Remove it to their home judicial district because I think you'd get a fairer jury pool.
00:45:40.660 I mean, that's a 95 percent very liberal jury pool.
00:45:44.180 And in a politically charged case, I don't think it's going to be I don't think it's going to be fair.
00:45:48.460 And that's an imbalance that we have where the swamp protects its own.
00:45:52.660 So people are effectively immune because they can get acquitted in front of that jury.
00:45:56.740 But then if you're challenging the swamp, man, they will nail you to the wall.
00:46:00.860 Given your views on the weaponization of government, would you commit to pardoning him on any federal charges against him?
00:46:06.220 Well, what I've said is very simple. I'm going to do what's right for the country.
00:46:09.440 I don't think it would be good for the country to have an almost 80 year old former president
00:46:13.840 go to prison. So that's a yes. It doesn't seem like it would be a good thing.
00:46:18.120 And I look at like, you know, Ford, pardon, Nixon took took some heat for it. But at the end of the
00:46:24.100 day, it's like, do we want to move forward as a country or do we want to be mired in these past
00:46:29.180 controversies? And I think the public wants a fresh start. I think they want somebody that's
00:46:33.620 going to focus on their issues. We've had a lot that's happened over the last five or six years.
00:46:38.420 I get that. But going forward, we've got all these issues that we've got to deal with.
00:46:44.180 But I've also said this on ending weaponization. We will wield the pardon power if normal Americans
00:46:51.460 have been targeted unfairly. And what I'm going to look to see, OK, was there a separate standard
00:46:55.640 of justice applied? As soon as the election's over, we want people to apply who may have been
00:47:01.060 treated dissimilarly. And then you can go and do that appropriately. And then the flip side of that
00:47:05.400 is people that are connected to the swamp are going to be held accountable. They are not going
00:47:09.880 to get a lower standard of justice. You said Trump should have done more on January 6th.
00:47:14.400 Like what? Well, look, I think it's I think it's been well documented, kind of his conduct when
00:47:19.800 it first started, how he sat there, you know, could have obviously leaned in harder. I think,
00:47:24.780 I mean, even his own kids were texting saying, you know, he needs to do more. He needs to do more.
00:47:29.400 Is that criminal, though? I mean, that's the thing when you talk about a grand jury and a
00:47:33.340 potential criminal indictment. I mean, you can you can identify flawed conduct. You can criticize
00:47:39.360 his conduct. But you have to find a statute that was violated. And I think one of the dangers of
00:47:46.160 what Garland's doing in this is they may be taking statutes from like Reconstruction era that was
00:47:52.480 about making sure that freed slaves had civil rights and they may apply that trying to repurpose
00:47:58.160 Trump on that. And that's the thing. When you have a situation where there's this political difference
00:48:02.920 nobody's above the law i mean you could be a republican administration doesn't mean you can't
00:48:07.560 prosecute democrat and vice versa but the issue is if someone robs a bank we know that's a crime
00:48:12.380 you rob the bank if they prove it up then then you're held accountable to take a statute like
00:48:17.440 conspiracy against rights and try to shoehorn in his conduct on january 6th that is what's
00:48:24.160 going to cause people to say well wait a minute you know you're doing it yeah some of the
00:48:29.840 observations of Ron DeSantis on the campaign trail have been, well, he doesn't seem like a
00:48:34.960 natural retail politician. He's not glad-handing with the crowds the way Bill Clinton did.
00:48:41.920 That's actually not true. So that's what they said before we started. They're like,
00:48:45.560 oh, he doesn't do retail. I don't know where they got that from. As governor, I was the first
00:48:50.560 governor to visit all 67 counties. Does this bother you? Well, because it's a narrative. It's
00:48:55.340 just not true. I mean, I'm actually on the ground. All they had to do was watch what I've done as
00:49:00.340 governor, watch what we've done in these campaigns. And I think they say, well, Florida's a media
00:49:04.940 state, all this other thing. Therefore, you must not do that. We do do that. I mean, we go in all
00:49:09.680 those. So we've come and go. And so we did the New Hampshire GOP dinner. And the party chairman
00:49:16.640 goes to the media. They're like, you guys were saying he doesn't do retail, he doesn't do all
00:49:21.400 this. And what we saw was the complete opposite. He came in, did a great speech. He took pictures,
00:49:26.520 shook hands with every single person that wanted to do it. He was there for an extra hour and all
00:49:30.900 this stuff. So I think what the media does, they can't criticize me in a Republican primary on my
00:49:37.720 record very effectively because we've done so much. Politically, we've been a huge success.
00:49:42.420 So they know that. So they've got to try to figure out whatever. So they throw this out there
00:49:46.280 thinking that. I'll tell you what, it's helped me, though, because I think what they do is they
00:49:50.120 just lower the bar so when you go there and do this people like oh man this is normal he's a
00:49:54.380 great guy oh wow he can put sentences together and shake hands exactly um this may sound like
00:49:59.220 a weird question but there's a reason i'm asking it the woman who is playing the lead in your
00:50:04.260 favorite movie company disney's remake of snow white is on camera just got recirculated though
00:50:09.620 she said it in 2022 saying in this remake we can expect that snow white will uh not be focused on
00:50:16.440 true love but instead is going to be all about leadership you said you were bringing a modern
00:50:21.600 edge to it on stage what do you mean by that i just mean that it's no longer 1937 and we absolutely
00:50:28.320 wrote a snow white that is not going to be saved by the prince she's not going to be saved by the
00:50:32.560 prince and she's not going to be dreaming about true love she's dreaming about becoming the leader
00:50:37.060 she knows she can be as somebody who is a sitting governor and seems to have found true love in your
00:50:41.700 life what do you make of that message yeah i mean well i think it's partially disney they're
00:50:46.240 departing from kind of what made them a great company with their messaging. And they're trying
00:50:51.120 to focus on more social messaging. And I don't think it's been effective for them. I mean,
00:50:56.220 clearly their stock prices had a lot of trouble in the past year or two. And the receipts at the
00:51:00.880 box office have not been good. It's interesting. Speaking of true love, my wife and I, we got
00:51:06.240 married at Disney World. I can't believe that. And it was like, and it was not my idea. And she
00:51:10.800 came to me one day and she said, what about this? Because her parents, her family loved Disney,
00:51:14.900 right growing up what about disney and i'm like look if that's what you want like you know it's
00:51:18.820 your day like i'm along for the ride but no donald duck at the wedding that's where i'm drawing the
00:51:23.580 line we didn't have and they actually have a wedding chapel it was very nice and everything
00:51:26.920 but it's like you know that was not anything i mean disney at that time was viewed as still
00:51:32.100 the all-american company how do you see how do you see i mean i to me it stuck out at me that
00:51:37.460 the notion that you have to choose right like you can't be both a leader and true love it's one or
00:51:42.640 the other. And I look at somebody like you, and it puts the lie to the notion. You've talked
00:51:47.920 openly about your love with your wife. It's nice to hear, frankly, a strong man and a strong leader
00:51:52.920 talk about his wife a lot and how much you feel for her. But put it in perspective for us.
00:51:57.540 Well, look, I mean, I'm a better leader because of my relationship with my wife. I mean,
00:52:02.640 I'm a better leader because I have somebody that's my best friend and the love of my life.
00:52:08.120 So it works hand in hand for me. The idea that you have to choose is totally ridiculous. 0.98
00:52:14.200 And, you know, she's been somebody who has gone through trials and tribulations with having breast cancer and things like that.
00:52:20.980 And, you know, my job as a husband is, you know, you're there good times and bad and sickness and in health.
00:52:27.340 And so, yeah, I was governor and I had to do the job for the state.
00:52:30.440 But, you know, I'd be here on the weekends. You know, I'm here as soon as I get back during the weekdays.
00:52:36.060 I'm here helping her through that because, you know, it's not an easy thing to go through.
00:52:40.420 And she handled it very well and she was not it was not not facing a good situation.
00:52:45.360 So she handled it very well. But but, you know, that's just my role.
00:52:48.960 That's my job. I need to be there.
00:52:50.560 The fact that she was dealing with this two years ago, I mean, just two years ago and is back on her feet and as able and vivacious as she is, is amazing.
00:53:00.240 Last question. She is unfortunately the brunt of a lot of these media attacks and they're vicious.
00:53:04.960 they're cruel, they're unfounded. It's harder sometimes to watch your loved one go through it
00:53:11.300 than to go through it yourself, right? The media washing machine. How does it affect you? And does
00:53:17.640 it ever give you pause? Like, is this worth it? You've got the young kids, you've got the great
00:53:21.600 wife. Is this worth it? So, I mean, I don't mind the criticism to me. It's like, I don't even read
00:53:28.740 it. I mean, I just, you know, it's not things that I'm interested in doing. And so, you know,
00:53:32.600 I've got very thick skin and that helps you as a leader because I don't have to contort myself
00:53:37.420 to try to worry about what people are going to say. Like, I know people that don't want me to
00:53:42.200 succeed are not going to say good things. That's just the reality. That's just how it's part for
00:53:45.700 the course. It's not as easy seeing it with your wife just because they clearly, this is a good
00:53:51.820 person, you know, who's a good mother, has been a great first lady, and they just don't like the
00:53:57.040 fact that she's effective. They don't like the fact that she's speaking to issues that really
00:54:01.920 do resonate and they view her as a threat to their political ambitions. And so what do they do?
00:54:07.580 They try to smear her. They try to attack her for all these different things. But she and I,
00:54:12.500 though, have come to the realization if she was not doing a good job, if she was not a force to
00:54:19.000 be reckoned with, they would not waste time on her. They're going after her because she launched
00:54:23.480 the Mamas movement nationally, which she did in Florida for a reelection. And people are drawn to 0.54
00:54:28.960 it. And it's not just Republicans, because independents and Democrat parents on the whole
00:54:33.760 parents' rights thing, a lot of the Democrat parents sided with us because they knew that
00:54:38.500 that was just the right thing to do for kids. So in some respects, it's confirmation that she's
00:54:43.320 over the target. And when you're over the target, you're taking flack. And that's just the nature
00:54:47.260 of it. So I don't like to see it. But I also understand that they're seeing what so many
00:54:52.700 people in Florida have seen. She's a very dynamic, very strong, a very inspirational woman. And
00:54:59.580 there's a lot of moms out there that are that she's going to resonate with. Governor DeSantis,
00:55:04.600 thank you. Thanks so much. So nice to see you. Thank you. All the best to you.
00:55:08.320 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.