00:00:39And we provided him with a forum to say all that stuff.
00:00:43He has since gone insane, like there's something seriously wrong with him now.
00:00:48He has been repeatedly pushing for Elon Musk to be executed.
00:00:54That, and he is openly bragging that before he sold his Tesla, so disgusted was he with
00:01:03Elon, he actually defecated in it and then sold it to some innocent consumer.0.98
00:01:10This is the host with Kara Swisher, the hateful, disgusting Kara Swisher, both of them.0.96
00:01:18And their commentary is about the level of what he left on the passenger seat of that0.93
00:01:23Tesla. This is disgusting. These people are so disgusting. What's with all the calls for
00:01:29violence on the left and the, and the, you know, let's just kill our enemies talk from that insane1.00
00:01:35podcaster, the ugly Jennifer Welsh. And I mean that term in every when, in every sense,1.00
00:01:41Dave Chappelle, a disgusting fool. And now this Scott Galloway. I like, and everybody around him1.00
00:01:49is like fine with it. Ha ha ha. So funny. I mean, it's like it's disgusting. It's pathetic. And it
00:01:56really does speak to the corrosion of our society and our civil bounds that we used to operate
00:02:05within when having political disputes. I mean, been around for a long time. We've been having
00:02:10these political disputes for a long time and heartfelt, tough ones like about the Iraq war.
00:02:16I don't recall it ever being quite this unhinged.
00:02:21And now today we have the effort to impeach Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, which is heating up, and he may be in a lot of trouble.
00:02:29Ted Cruz, actually, of all people, offering some commentary on where this is likely to go and was not predicting a good outcome for Hegseth.
00:02:38Joining me now, Matt Taibbi. He's founder of Racket News on Substack.
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00:03:46Matt, welcome back. Great to have you. Thanks. We'll get to all the crazy-ass calls for
00:03:53killing people in a second, but let's just start with the Hegseth thing. And I'll give you what's0.93
00:03:59the headline is that Thomas Mathey has introduced, Massey, eight articles of impeachment against
00:04:04Pete Hegseth, for what it's worth, Jonathan Turley says he doesn't think much of six of them, but two of them he thinks may have some legs.
00:04:14But Ted Cruz. Now, I think this is kind of interesting, the thing about Ted Cruz, because now keep in mind, Ted Cruz is likely going to run for president in 28.
00:04:22And there's some buzz that Pete Hegseth may have eyes on running for the presidency in 28.
00:04:29So he could be looking at him as a potential competitor.0.74
00:04:32Um, they also have a lot in common because they're both very pro war, very pro war, very pro Israel. So I would have expected him to have Pete's back potentially, but I don't know because they could be political rivals just trying to factor in alleged or potential biases here.
00:04:52But here's what Ted Cruz said on his own podcast on the 9th, which is yesterday, right? Today's the 10th, about Pete's chances. Watch.
00:05:04Listen, one of the reasons the House has been out of session for a couple of months,
00:05:07and the reason they've been out of session is because they didn't have the votes
00:05:12to stop a Hegseth impeachment back in September.
00:05:17Either Hegseth is going to step down, either he will resign voluntarily or Trump will fire him,
00:05:23or if that does not happen, I think it is extremely likely, if not certain,
00:05:29that the House will impeach him, because on the face of it, the votes are there.
00:05:32If that happens, it then goes to the Senate, and the Senate has the responsibility of conducting the trial.
00:05:38Now, if it happens now during the lame duck, it's possible that the majority still under Republican control could dispose of it.
00:05:45If he resigns now and the president nominates a new defense secretary, we can confirm the new defense secretary.
00:05:53If he resigns or is fired next year, we can't confirm a replacement.
00:05:59okay so he's making a push to he's saying pete's toast and saying let's just get it over with now
00:06:08while we have control of the senate we can control the up or down vote on his replacement pete
00:06:13came out today in a presser and just went at it uh here's a bit in slot six i'll get right to it
00:06:22What one disgruntled and defeated congressman is attempting is not oversight, and it's not accountability.
00:06:30It's a political spectacle, a personal manifesto driven by ego and resentment.
00:06:36Time for one man's final days in Congress to try to do damage to this president, this country, and most irresponsibly, the warriors who defend it.
00:06:47it's a farce and it's a stunt and everybody knows it one final point pete in his clever move
00:06:58tried to paint this about criminalizing the actions of our soldiers among the other items
00:07:04that have been raised in the impeachment articles are the attacks on the venezuelan
00:07:08drug boats uh the iran war and the alleged quote kidnapping of nicholas maduro out of venezuela
00:07:17Those are all actions that our troops have participated in.
00:07:20But Thomas Massey is taking issue with the commands, not the issue, not the behavior of the troops.
00:07:28That's not to say that the Democrats might not go there if this floodgate is opened.
00:07:34I don't know. But here's just Pete trying to really talk about how this endangers our warriors.
00:07:43To be clear about what this resolution actually does.
00:07:45It tells our enemies, Iran, the cartels, every adversary watching that the United States will0.68
00:07:52actually punish its own warriors and its own civilian leadership for successfully executing0.77
00:07:58lawful military operations. It tells them that a single rogue legislator loaded with personal
00:08:05animus for the president can attempt to veto national security decisions made by the duly
00:08:11elected commander-in-chief. It puts a target on the backs of American warriors by signaling that
00:08:18Congress will undermine their missions in real time. This is not patriotism. This is sabotage.
00:08:28You know, five years ago, America was humiliated in Kabul, Afghanistan, and every enemy on earth
00:08:33took notice. But somehow, as the president pointed out yesterday, no impeachment vote
00:08:39for lloyd austin for that terrible withdrawal fair point uh certainly on that last point so
00:08:46what do you make of the attempted impeachment of pete hegseth well it's a it's a fascinating case
00:08:54um i'm a little torn on the issue because on one hand we have been um sort of skirting the uh
00:09:04rule that basically the Congress has to have some oversight over decisions to go to war
00:09:11for my entire lifetime. The specific conditions that HEGSF is being charged
00:09:19with misusing, the Article II powers of the Constitution have been used over and over again
00:09:26for unapproved, congressionally unapproved military strikes dating back to the 80s.
00:09:33We've had a whole slew of military actions since 9-11 that were approved under the AUMF.
00:09:42Now, that doesn't come into play with these Hegseth cases, but in none of these, was there any kind of proper congressional oversight?
00:09:54And the thing that Hegseth is talking about, where you might have a civilian official who's punished for essentially legally executing a legal order, that wouldn't happen if we had followed the procedure that we've historically followed, which is Congress approves our decision to go to war in some fashion or another.
00:10:19So but what's hypocritical about this is that nobody ever said a thing before when it was Biden or Obama or Bush or Clinton or Reagan or any of a dozen, you know, a number of other presidents doing essentially the same thing.
00:10:36Right. I mean, as for the Venezuelan drug boat strikes, at least they weren't Americans. That's who Barack Obama was killing without any congressional approval. Like he didn't get impeached. Like his secretary of war didn't get it. Defense at the time didn't get impeached. It feels a little selective.
00:10:56The Obama case is really instructive because, you know, in that case, the administration essentially wrote itself a legal memo and it got around the Fifth Amendment requirement for due process by saying that a process that may not involve the defendant is still some kind of due process.
00:11:19In other words, as long as we discuss it amongst ourselves before we drone somebody to death who might be an American citizen and his son, that counts as due process.
00:11:41I will grant that, you know, no lawyer that I've spoken to has said that they can think of any kind of legal justification that would cover the Venezuelan drug boat bombings.
00:11:55However, that's still better than assassinating an American citizen without trial.
00:12:01Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I mean, I don't know. Ted Cruz has got an interesting point, you know, that they're definitely going to have the votes to impeach Pete once the Democrats take over.
00:12:14I mean, clearly they've won control of the House and it seems like it's going to wind up right now that they're still counting in a lot of jurisdictions.
00:12:21We've got some 40-seat majority, but it's going to go up, we think, double that for the Democrats.
00:12:26So there's going to be zero problem impeaching Pete Hegseth once the Democrats take over.
00:12:31And I know the audience knows this, but just as a reminder, an impeachment is basically an accusation, like an indictment.
00:12:37Excuse me, the actual trial on the charges would happen in the Senate.
00:12:41And you need two-thirds of the sitting U.S. senators, which is 66 senators, and they're not going to have that.
00:12:48I mean, the Democrats are going to have 54, maybe 56 to get an extra 10 from the Republican side to vote to impeach the sitting secretary of war.
00:12:58I mean, to vote to convict. I just I don't know about that.
00:13:03But there is a concern. There's a concern that there will be enough Republicans rattled by this last, you know, election.
00:13:12and worried about some of those not entirely kosher actions by the Department of War
00:13:20or, like, not obviously kosher, you know, not beyond all question,
00:13:26that they might actually vote with the Dems and convict him.
00:13:31Because, like, just the impeachment doesn't get rid of him.
00:13:34You have to be convicted, and that would get rid of him.
00:13:39And Jonathan Turley pointed to two of the eight charges that would be probably the most likely to come close to passing or resulting in a conviction would be the extrajudicial killings in the Venezuelan boats.
00:13:57And the other one would be the the the threatening Mark Kelly.
00:14:03Yeah. And, you know, if they if they win a conviction in those cases, it's very, very unlikely.
00:14:14But what I'd be most curious to see is whether they go back to instituting some kind of hard and fast rule about not doing that in the future or whether this is a one off about punishing just members of the Trump administration.0.96
00:14:30I think this is very dumb politically.0.93
00:15:12Like, why not let the Democrats just come in and do what they're going to do?
00:15:16Why take this on as an outgoing Republican congressman?
00:15:21Like, it just I think it makes you look petty.
00:15:23it will, I think, have the effect of rallying the Trump base to some extent. That's kind of mad at
00:15:30Trump right now, but they're not going to like this. They don't want to start to see Republicans
00:15:33impeaching Republicans. I mean, it's getting a little exhausting. How many times has Trump
00:15:40been impeached? If this becomes a thing that just happens willy nilly with every administration that
00:15:46comes in uh you know the public is going to get tired of it uh very quickly in fact i think that
00:15:54was a lot of what was going on with election night last week is just the frustration over the
00:16:00the back and forth between the two parties um so yeah i agree i'm not sure that this would be a
00:16:06politically winning move but uh you know uh it's been hard to predict what what wouldn't
00:16:13wouldn't that be popular in this this environment i don't think this is going to be popular i just
00:16:19i feel like i i don't get it i genuinely don't get it and by the way whatever pete's done he's
00:16:25done at the request of trump so this is just this is kind of like when the republicans impeached
00:16:30mayorkas as dhs secretary it was like okay if he's definitely not enforcing the border that's for
00:16:38sure. But it's because of the old man with, you know, putting for a brain who's technically in
00:16:45the White House and in charge of these policies who, when he was still somewhat there, had said
00:16:50he was erasing all of Trump's policies at the border. He undid all executive orders with his
00:16:55own executive orders. So it's like we're kind of engaging in a fiction here that Pete Hegseth is
00:17:01to blame when these are the policies of Donald Trump. Yeah, and I think the public would be
00:17:07all in favor of a permanent move back toward having some kind of a process that would be more0.70
00:17:14formalized for going to war. I mean, most people don't even know where we have military actions in
00:17:21the world now. I remember, you know, in the last, actually, I think it was in the 2016 election
00:17:28cycle, we had active military operations in over six countries at the time of the election. And
00:17:34Most people didn't even know where we were, and that's because we no longer have national debates about it.
00:17:40People would probably approve of a system that didn't allow us to just, on a whim, go into any country we wanted to.
00:17:50But if it's just about Donald Trump and just about Pete Hegseth, then this becomes a much weaker maneuver, I think.
00:17:59Well, you need congressional approval if you're going to declare war, which they don't.
00:18:03And they just do these sort of little military incursions, incursions, Matt, interest like like like the Iran war, which is a war, although Mark Levin is out there still trying to say it's not.
00:18:18It's just a military operation. That's all just an operation. Oh, OK. All right.
00:18:22I mean, dropped a bunch of bombs on them. We destroyed their navy. Feels a little worry.
00:18:27But OK, so on that front of the Iran war, Pete Hegseth, one of the things he spoke to today was J.D. Vance saying the day after the midterms, we lost because of the war, because our party wants more distance between us and Israel, wants America first and wants this war to end.
00:18:53And Pete Hegseth spoke to that a bit in Sot 12.
00:18:56I respect the vice president greatly, and I'm certainly not going to exchange any finger-pointing.
00:19:00And thankfully, politics is not really my thing.
00:19:03I do the Department of War, making sure we're prepared and ready.
00:19:06So a lot of people are going to look at the conflict and assess it.
00:19:10And the vice president has been a critical member of the team in every aspect of this,
00:19:14and we're grateful for all the input he's given me personally in our department.
00:19:18And I think going forward, we're going to learn all those lessons and apply them.
00:19:22But I I agree with what the president said when he said, hey, if if I had to do this all over again, would we do it again?
00:19:28Absolutely. It's it was done for the right reasons to ensure Iran never gets a nuclear weapon there.
00:19:35As Marco Rubio said, I think quite well, it's not necessarily popular, but it may have been necessary.
00:19:43And that's the line that's being pushed by President Trump himself.
00:19:46Like, you know, people were reacting to it, but it was the right move.
00:19:53I don't know how that's going to fly with the electorate between now and 2028.
00:20:00And I would suggest, Matt, that they're going to need to abandon that talking point as a front and center piece of their rhetoric.
00:20:07I mean, I really think I realize they can't.
00:20:10And President Trump's incapable of coming out and saying I made the wrong decision.
00:20:13But I think people are so angry over the war that if Pete Hexeth actually does have hopes of running for president or Marco Rubio, who was also out there defending it.
00:20:25In fact, let me play you what he said at CPAC Mar-a-Lago the other day because he weighed in.
00:20:31All these potential 2028 contenders are weighing in.
00:22:18And I would argue that Trump was elected to not go to war.
00:22:24That was the primary reason for the amount of support that he got in 2024.
00:22:33war um some of the people who were uh key supporters of his in that election cycle and
00:22:40also the the decision to make jd vance the nominee uh over rubio was because of a decision within
00:22:49uh trump's team uh to send a signal in a more anti-war direction and there were two
00:23:01you know very vocal uh groups within uh trump's camp and the people who wanted to
00:23:09be a more isolationist uh run a more isolationist campaign won out and that's why
00:23:14vance ended up being the nominee and not rubio um then the sort of national security state people
00:23:20were very disappointed that that rubio did not become the nominee so um you know and and trump
00:23:27By the way, in 2016, I remember watching this. He sort of picked up that every time he mentioned endless wars or pointless wars or made fun of NATO, every time he did that at the next speech, there would be more people in desert colored fatigues standing in the back of his presentations, watching his speeches.
00:23:52And they ended up becoming a very important part of his electorate in 2016, returning veterans.
00:24:01And so were people like Tulsi Gabbard and J.D. Vance in 2024.
00:24:07So this decision, it's been catastrophic to his presidency.
00:24:18Now, it's like out of the frying pan into the fire.
00:24:21I don't know why Trump is now floating amnesty on the on the heels of this massive loss.
00:24:27Right. Like the base already feels betrayed. Maybe there's no more base.
00:24:31Maybe that's the reality here. I mean, I myself said this the day after Tuesday last week, also known as Wednesday, when I said, what what is MAGA?
00:24:41If MAGA, it only exists when Trump is on the ballot, then MAGA's dead.
00:30:15And now, you know, it seems like he's losing a little bit of his political instincts and just trying things out.
00:30:26And that's much harder to do when you have an established political record as opposed to a new candidate, which is what he was in, you know, 10 years ago.
00:30:35I mean, most of the political pundits I respect on the right agree that any kind of amnesty, any kind, will be a catastrophic event for the Republican Party from which they will not recover for years to come.
00:30:57It doesn't matter how many Democrats support it, how many independents support it, or even how many sort of chamber of commerce Republicans support it.
00:31:06It is so objectionable to the working class base of the Republican Party that it truly would devastate what is left of an already devastated party.0.61
00:31:18And like, I just think it doesn't matter because I was just looking at the polls and the polls show there is support.0.80
00:31:25Like here's Gallup, allowing immigrants living in the U.S. illegally the chance to become U.S. citizens if they meet certain requirements over a period of time.
00:31:33Combined, either strongly support or favor, 75%.
00:31:48and they will feel so betrayed and angry that it will absolutely forget it.
00:31:56There'll be no Marco Rubio. There'll be no J.D. Vance.
00:31:59There will be no Republican nominee from the Trump administration if this is what he tries to do.
00:32:05And he thinks it'll help his legacy with like the left or the independent middle.
00:32:12It won't. They hate him and they're going to continue hating him,
00:32:16Even if they managed to use him to get a couple of their agenda items through.
00:32:21Yeah. And the proof is in the pudding here with the behavior of the Democratic Party in the last election cycle in 2024, when Kamala Harris and the Biden administration completely backed off their own immigration policies in the last election year.
00:37:37We know exactly what you're saying. We know what happened to the Rosenbergs. He says it there himself. And then he says Elon Musk is just like them, a traitor who should face the same penalties.0.71
00:37:48And just in case you think it was a one off, like, oh, he, you know, was shooting off his mouth that like got ahead of himself.
00:37:54Here he is again on the same day on a different podcast.
00:37:59Sat-29. We took the Rosenbergs and put them up against a wall and executed them for being0.98
00:38:06traitors. And I realize this is an incendiary statement, but I'll make it and I believe it.1.00
00:38:12I think Elon Musk is a traitor to the West. And I think what is even more dangerous is this
00:38:18zeitgeist within America that the idolatry of innovators and money has created a cloud cover
00:38:24such that traders to the West are not seen as traders to the West, that if this had happened
00:38:31in any other age where we were not obsessed with innovators and money, a much different reaction
00:38:38would be playing out to Elon Musk. This is crazy, Matt. It's completely shocking. I think you're
00:38:48right about the people in sort of the internet era and the podcast era uh almost daily we have
00:38:57yet another person who sort of falls off um you know the plank of sanity uh into the ocean and
00:39:04they're just gone for forever they're they're never coming back we do and you know i think back
00:39:12to the early days of trump's first presidency when he went to helsinki and we had these banner
00:39:19headlines everywhere saying treason um you know because he i guess didn't have a hostile enough
00:39:26meeting with vladimir putin at a conference now treason has a very specific legal meaning uh it
00:39:35only applies in very narrow circumstances it's a capital crime accusing somebody of being a traitor
00:39:41is clearly liable like it's the kind of thing that i would never i would be terrified to do
00:39:47in public um it clearly does not apply here there's no possible way you could make it fit
00:39:54uh to call this treason it it doesn't even uh it's excluded legally like it only it happens
00:40:02during in the middle of a declared war but even so even to colloquially claim that is
00:40:10absolute lunacy uh incidentally i have my own differences with with elon but elon has has
00:40:17among other things um been threatened uh you know by other countries they've tried to drag him in
00:40:23for questioning um you know for failing to abide by uh foreign censorship rules uh and you know
00:40:32he's not specifying galloway's not specifying any crime that he's committed uh he's been railing
00:40:40about the starlink starlink the public starlink being shut down for ukraine to use to drop bombs
00:40:46but the military version of starlink remained available to them like he's got an obligation
00:40:51some legal obligation to leave starlink available i like this is what he's been railing about but
00:40:57the truth is matt he doesn't like elon he and kara swisher can't stand elon they've been ripping
00:41:03on him weekly since long before the ukraine thing well right that's all you have to do0.98
00:41:09doing on it with these audiences you just have to stand up and say this person sucks i hate this0.98
00:41:14person they should be shot and and in many cases it works um yeah then they are yeah in some cases0.93
00:41:24they are right and that's what's terrifying about this uh this environment that we're in um we have
00:41:31uh you know again once upon a time i hate to be all back in the day about it but public figures
00:41:38used to be very hesitant to use to accuse people of, you know, serious crimes, to accuse them of
00:41:46sex crimes, to accuse them of all kinds of things without hardcore evidence, like confirmed 50 ways
00:41:53over. And they don't even bother trying very hard anymore. They just simply lob out these things
00:42:01because they know it's going to get a lot of clicks and because their derangement syndrome
00:42:09is so all-consuming you know there is a trump derangement syndrome and there is an elon
00:42:15derangement syndrome and both of those two have it in droves you you raise a good point you and
00:42:21he had this whole falling out over the twitter files you don't have elon derangement syndrome
00:42:26you can report on him fairly you can hit him if he needs to be hit you can defend if he needs
00:42:30That's how I am with Trump. Like, I don't have any derangement syndrome. I can recognize the good things and I can recognize the bad things. Why is that so rare?
00:42:38Well, what's so strange about it, I think, Megan, like, you and I just don't get emotionally involved with the news in the way that these people do. Like, this is almost like a religious thing for people who are, they pour their whole selves into these sort of debates between left or right, Republicans and Democrats.
00:43:04and it means absolutely everything to them uh you know it has a significance that no sane person
00:43:11would afford these issues like if you have an actual life if you have a you know a wife and
00:43:17children or a family um you're not going to stay awake at night thinking about elon musk i mean
00:43:24i'm sorry no right would you i mean it's no absolute insanity no matter how much you might
00:43:32dislike the person, he should be well below 100 on your list of concerns on any given day,
00:43:42but not for these people. For them, this is the most important thing in the world.
00:43:50Well, and here's all the evidence we really need to see that Scott Galloway
00:47:38you can't return it but like if certain warranties were made like i didn't shit in it0.94
00:47:43which every car from scott scott galloway is gonna need now0.88
00:47:50then then he could get sued unbelievable it's just it's totally crazy and uh and people are
00:48:00just they're down with it this is this is a rallying cry for folks um oh yeah they they
00:48:08they laughed they clapped um of course it's not just scott galloway that was elon derangement
00:48:14syndrome there which is plentiful on the left but we spoke on this program yesterday with the
00:48:19audience about the dave chappelle comments on charlie kirk which were so despicable after after
00:48:26charlie defended him after dave chappelle was attacked on stage and charlie actually got was
00:48:35on Dave's side and really thought that there should be penalties to what happened. And Dave
00:48:40Chappelle gets on stage at Madison Square Garden and says SOT 31. I feel fucked up saying this.0.99
00:48:48It's scary being a public speaker. And I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk got0.99
00:48:58murder and i i shouldn't say this publicly but i feel better
00:49:07i know i shouldn't say that but it's just a feeling
00:49:14i didn't ask to kill this way i'll just be driving around like why am i in such a good
00:49:19it's a laugh riot matt yeah i mean i'm such a chapelle fan that i feel like giving him a
00:49:31mulligan i'm not i'm not sure uh what he was going for there uh you know i read the full
00:49:37context of that whole um diatribe i i guess he was trying to it doesn't make it better
00:49:46It doesn't make it better. No, I read it, too. Yeah. And, you know, he's cloaking it in basically saying that after Charlie Kirk got murdered, it's been better for free speech somehow.
00:50:01Now, I it doesn't make any sense, which is disappointing because Chappelle has been one of the few public figures who's been willing to stand up and say the unpopular thing during this this time period and be funny about it while doing.
00:50:16And then he got up. But then and then a second later, he got up there and said, I know I'm sure Charlie's looking up at us right now, laughing so hard he can't breathe as if Charlie's in hell.
00:50:27This wasn't like some light touch on Charlie about free speech.
00:50:30It was about Charlie's dead, he's happy, and Charlie's burning in hell,1.00
00:57:37Of course I condemn gun violence. I just oppose gun violence in all of its forms. So this morning
00:57:44I decided, because I'm getting about 400 death threats a minute on my Instagram, and the death
00:57:50threats from these people that are offended by my laughing at the joke are, I can't believe you
00:57:55laughed at Charlie Kirk. We can't wait for you to die, C-U-N-T. So the selective outrage is on1.00
00:58:04them, but I'm responsible for me and me apologizing. Don't think I'm going soft. I, you know, I, I
00:58:10still think TPSU, a TP USA, Charlie Kirk and their movement. I stand against everything. I want an
00:58:18inclusive world, a nonviolent world. I want common sense gun reform, but it's better because I have0.91
00:58:25ascended and I have so many listeners. I want to keep my side of the street clean. Okay. I,0.87
00:58:32I follow the podcast charts. I know exactly where the top podcasts stand. She's never been there.
00:58:40She's nowhere in the running. I don't think she is ascendant any place other than in her own mind.
00:58:47And now she's lost virtually every single advertiser she had, which is appropriate.
00:58:53She should be on her own. She should be on a direct to consumer basis.
00:58:57if people want to pay $10, $15 a month to consume that garbage, they can. That'll be their1.00
00:59:03relationship with the devil. That's on them. But what kind of a sane advertiser would get behind
00:59:10filth like that? Yeah, I don't know. When she said, she mentioned the best that America has
00:59:18to offer, I thought she was going to say plastic surgery because she used to have had so much of
00:59:24I mean, I'm sorry, I shouldn't go there, but it just, I mean, she's, it looks like someone, all she does is talk about people's looks, a winch handle in the back. It's, it's unbelievable. But the, yeah, this is a classic example of a person who, I mean, all they're about is just winding people up.
00:59:50And then, you know, and then to plead for sympathy, her whole show, her whole act is ridiculous.0.63
00:59:57It was always shocking to me that it had even a temporary response.1.00
01:00:03But but who knows now, maybe they'll make a free speech martyr out of her now and she'll she'll find her way back.
01:00:11I doubt it. But, you know, the other thing is, it feels like none of these people have ever watched Charlie Kirk's actual show.
01:00:18I mean, of all the people to be upset about on the right, Kirk would have been the last person I would complain about if I were, you know, a hardcore leftist or a liberal.
01:00:33He is exactly the wrong kind of person to caricaturize as, you know, a hater.
01:00:44You might not have agreed with him, but he was civil, which is a big step up in this world. And it's remarkable that nobody seemed to bother to take the time to find that out. That's another enduring mystery of this whole thing.
01:01:01They believe the lies of the New York Times and Nicole Hannah-Jones.0.64
01:01:07I guarantee you they read it and they believe that he was a racist who hated blacks, black women, and took all those contexts or all those quotes that Nicole Hannah-Jones put up there out of context without bothering to understand, for example, his remark about how he's going to feel when he sees a black pilot.
01:01:28Now, thanks to these mandates by some of the airlines that they have at least 50 percent black pilots when we don't have even 50 percent black pilots in the potential pool of black pilots.
01:01:41We have 13 percent black people. We have six percent black men in America and a very, very small percentage of those are going to pilot school.
01:01:49So how are we going to make 50 percent of the pilots be black unless we lower standards?0.80
01:01:54That was Charlie's whole point, saying DEI is corrosive, and because they're doing this kind of thing, just playing with quotas, it's now going to make me and others get on planes.
01:02:04And if they see a black pilot, instead of under the old system when you knew it was merit-based and you'd say he must have been a badass who went to the Navy or whatever, he earned his way here just like anybody else has, you're going to guess, did they lower the standards for him?0.99
01:02:18Oh, shit. It's a very honest point. It's actually not controversial at all, but it's been used to bastardize Charlie and his legacy for the better part of a year.0.99
01:02:29And honestly, it was used to bash him while he was alive by people with an agenda.
01:02:33Yeah. And if I remember correctly, there was some misquoting that went on with him.
01:02:40You can disagree with that commentary if you want.
01:02:46You could say he could have put it in a different way that would have made it a more accessible thought for people on the left.
01:02:56But he didn't say it in the way that it was reported that he said it.
01:03:03More than that, though, if you have any exposure to Charlie Kirk, if you watched any of his broadcasts, I mean, I was curious about him.
01:03:12I had read lots of negative things about him and was very surprised when I watched him to find that he seemed to be trying to find some kind of middle ground with people when he talked to them, which is it's almost so rare now that it comes across as like a gimmick or it came across as a gimmick.
01:03:35But it wasn't with him. I think he was he was a genuine person, which, again, is another thing that should have been celebrated at the time.
01:03:46That's why this whole thing about rejoicing in Charlie Kirk's death is just mysterious.
01:03:52Like, I have a hard time believing that Dave Chappelle actually watched Kirk's act.
01:04:02And he's a low information voter who should shut his mouth about a man who was a decent father to two babies who will grow up without their father now, thanks to that gun violence, which Jennifer Walsh wants to call the assassination, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, that he should shut his mouth about it.0.98
01:04:25I don't want to hear another fucking word out of Dave Chappelle on Charlie Kirk unless it's on this show and he has the balls to say it to somebody who was actually friends with him.0.99
01:04:33Do you have the balls, Dave Chappelle?1.00
01:04:53And I will be prepared with facts, Dave Chappelle. So come on any time. I feel very differently about him than you do, Matt. I didn't realize he was this disgusting. I really didn't. Thought he was like kind of non-woke and wasn't afraid to like poke the bear on things that were like, you know, untouchable like Michael Jackson or he dealt with the trans issue in a way that was brave.
01:05:20I didn't think he was just cruel and a dick.0.97
01:05:25Yeah, and it also felt more than a little bit like, you know, if I do this, I'm going to get some of this audience back, you know, which also wasn't really like him.
01:05:39Like, if you go back in his past, he did a lot of it didn't said a lot of things that that, you know, he had to know we're going to lose him audience and did him anyway.
01:05:51And so it's it's always shocking when somebody who has a history of not pandering to this or that political side starts doing it.
01:07:08so that air traffic control and of course the NTSB would know. And long after the pilot in
01:07:13charge had switched to praying, she was still relaying information and trying to give data
01:07:20that she had to know at that point would only be examined posthumously in her case.
01:07:24So tip of the hat to her. I wanted to mention this because it was a sort of an extraordinary thing.
01:07:32There is a meteorologist at NBC Orlando, and he's also a pilot. His name is Eric Burris. And he has a theory. He was basing it on another man's theory, another pilot, I think, who posited that there is a possibility because we had Captain Steve come on of YouTube and tell us ultimately he thinks that it was those thunderstorms, of course, that brought down this plane and the ice on the wings and so on.
01:07:58but that it is ultimately the pilot's responsibility to see the weather like air
01:08:04traffic control should tell you and should help you but when all is said and done it's the pilot's
01:08:11responsibility to know what the weather situation is and behave accordingly and virtually every
01:08:17pilot has said since like you just don't fly in a severe thunderstorm you definitely don't fly in
01:08:21severe turbulence and the learjet in particular has some issues that would make you avoid that
01:08:25like the plague. And now we've played audio of another plane approaching the thunderstorms and
01:08:30being told to basically go into them by air traffic control and him saying, I'm not. No,
01:08:35I refuse. And turning his jet around. You know, I don't know if these pilots just didn't have the
01:08:39experience. The pilot in charge was 55 years old, but we don't know how long he'd been flying. He
01:08:45certainly was licensed in 2016. I just don't know how long prior to that. In any event, here is the
01:08:51theory of the Orlando meteorologist and pilot Eric Burris when it comes to how they may have
01:08:56not seen those storms. One of the questions that has come up a lot is if this was a jet that had
01:09:04Doppler radar or weather radar, how did they not see this thing? And there's a very interesting
01:09:10kind of component to that. All right. So you're flying along and you're coming up on a thunderstorm.
01:09:15If you're flying it straight ahead, especially if you're in a spot like they were, they were
01:09:19more of an ice phase environment where it's not big, precipitable moisture or so. So they probably
01:09:25got weak radar returns, if anything. But that onboard radar can tilt. And if they had tilted
01:09:31down, they would have seen that stronger storm building up near the radar, super light returns.
01:09:38But look if it would have been tilted down by about five degrees. Using the resampling of the
01:09:43Doppler radar, they would have seen that storm build up out ahead of them just before they
01:09:48penetrated the storm, the height was at 31,000 feet. As they penetrated it, it got to 40,000
01:09:55feet above them. And then right after they went through, it went back down to about 33,000 feet.
01:10:01So it was rapidly growing and then rapidly collapsing. In other words, there was winds
01:10:05going rapidly up and down and they went right through it at perhaps the worst possible time.
01:10:11More than likely, this aircraft was in instrument meteorological conditions. In other words,
01:10:17they couldn't see out ahead. So just kind of super basic. Theoretically, they were operating
01:10:23at about 35,000 feet, flight level 350. Their onboard radar showed this, not much ahead of them.
01:10:29They couldn't see out front. And unfortunately, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
01:10:36It's chilling, Matt. And it does make you think like, I don't know, when your number's up,
01:10:42it's up yeah i i always feel thankful to any pilot who gets me from any place to any place
01:10:50um always amazed by people who find ways to criticize the fact that they're able to get from
01:10:57you know new york to san francisco in four and a half hours or whatever it is uh people can
01:11:04they can find a way to be unhappy about anything uh pilots are amazing people who do you know who
01:11:11drive trains are amazing. I mean, um, so yeah, I think we should have your mailman, your mailman
01:11:19is amazing. I think we should just appreciate everybody who has a tough job just a little bit
01:11:24more. How, how does the U S mail system get, you know, this, this communication from one place to
01:11:31another for such a cheap cost? Like it still is like kind of a mystery to me. It's, it's a modern
01:11:37miracle, but I will tell you of all the things that like that are out there that I just like,
01:11:40can't quite understand. I don't, I genuinely don't get it is the telephone. I don't understand.
01:11:48I don't understand how you can pick up your phone and you can talk into it and your voice
01:11:55can be heard instantaneously in another country, a world away, like a second later. I don't
01:12:04understand it. It's incredible. And I'll tell you one other thing, my Nana who lived, she was born
01:12:09in 1915 she died in 2016 she was 101 i did ask her one time what was the most amazing invention
01:12:15she had seen in that 101 years and i mean we've taught we had the airplane we had the computer
01:12:21we had so many things and she said it was the garage door opener that's amazing but you'll
01:12:30still see though people being upset at their phones if they momentarily lose their connection0.99
01:12:36In an airport, they'll be yelling at their cell phone like, oh, I've got a stupid thing.0.91
01:12:44Like you're speaking to somebody halfway around the world for almost nothing and you're upset about it.0.99
01:13:01Okay. Back on this topic of journalists and how they perform their jobs. Diana Rossini. Now, Diana Rossini is probably not a name that is on the tip of the tongue for most of our audience. But she is a sports reporter. And the audience may remember she was in the news last April because she'd been working for the New York Times offshoot The Athletic, their sports offshoot.
01:13:27her prior life had been with ESPN as a sports reporter, and she was all over the news because
01:13:33it came out that she was obviously having an affair with the head coach of the Tennessee
01:13:40Titans, Mike Vrabel. She was 43. He was 50. Thank you. Okay. And he moved on to the Patriots. Yes,
01:13:47he moved to them to 2025. Football's not my world, but journalism is. And the New York Post
01:16:25Reporters do not behave like this with their sources.0.97
01:16:27I have never behaved like this with a source.
01:16:30Everyone in the business knows this would be completely inappropriate to do.
01:16:34So the Athletic at first backed her and said the photos are misleading, they lack context, and then it quickly shifted to, we're doing an investigation.
01:16:44We've got to investigate this, and her coverage will be reviewed.
01:16:49And ultimately, hold on a second, because this just came out, they, let's see, they did that investigation.
01:16:57and The Athletic released a report from its internal investigation
01:17:03that found the relationship gave the appearance of a conflict of interest
01:17:07and was in clear violation of the publication's standards.
01:17:12Prior to that, she pieced out of the publication saying,
01:21:32She played the how dare you card, and this is not factual.
01:21:36And we all know it is factual. It's obvious. And now she reemerges, Matt, in this puff piece in People magazine. Diana Rossini reveals new NFL projects seven months after Mike Rabel photo scandal. I'm not scared to get back in.
01:21:57And this is some of the pablum that we read in People.
01:22:02The best way to describe the last six months for me is heartbreaking.
01:22:09But People writes, with the support of her husband, Kevin Goldschmidt, who is, I guess, with Shake Shack and loved ones, Rossini navigated a turbulent stretch of her career and is now preparing to return to sports media.
01:22:24Enter the Rossini Report, a one-hour show that will stream on Bet Us TV's website and an X account beginning Wednesday, November 11th.
01:22:33This is what the show is going to be about.
01:22:37It's going to feature somebody, or she will also be a featured contributor on some podcast with a guy named John Wiener, better known as Dugatz.
01:22:46In a time when it was easy to pile on, and I think people were enjoying watching my career fall apart, John was really bold and loyal, and he was a friend to me.
01:22:59I need my friend to laugh again, and I want to help her laugh again.
01:23:04I think this show is going to give me that opportunity.
01:23:07She says she's also found support from dozens of people in the NFL,
01:23:10team owners, agents, general managers, head coaches, and players,
01:23:14including, she wants us to know, star quarterbacks.
01:23:17The absolute best part of this situation has been the loyalty that the NFL has shown me.
01:23:23They checked in with me almost daily while I wasn't working to make sure that I was staying
01:23:26connected to football, to check on me as a person, and to just see how I was doing.
01:23:30It became what Rossini describes as a motivational tour.
01:23:34I felt like players were texting and calling me to say, get back to work. It's time. Okay,
01:23:40it's been six months. I think it's pretty poetic that here I was all these years telling the story
01:23:45about these players going through adversity, and then they became sort of the people that
01:23:50I was learning from doing this. They didn't just call the week after things came out.
01:23:55They called all the time just to say, let's go. According to Rossini, one player even texts her
01:24:01on his way to work at 5 a.m. to ask what she's doing to better herself and reminds her that
01:24:08you have to stay strong through hard times. I'm using that, she says, as motivation and it's why
01:24:16I'm so energized. It's why I'm not scared to get back in because I know the people that I cover
01:24:21are welcoming me back with open arms. And then she goes on to add the lies. They became so out
01:24:29of control. This was a runaway train. There was nothing I could do to stop it. Once we realized
01:24:34nothing was going to stop it, it became unhealthy for us to read it. So they unsubscribed from X.
01:24:40One of the hard parts about this was that a lot of the work I was doing and the things that I've
01:24:47accomplished got lost. It quickly went from just one moment that people felt was true and erased
01:24:54years of work. I would not wish this experience on any person ever. But through it all,
01:25:01I did get an opportunity to not just learn about myself, but my family and our priorities
01:25:07and maybe some decisions and things I was doing in my career and putting it before
01:25:11what I really wanted most, which was to be a mom. Okay. And then she finally adds,
01:25:19the way I'm going to approach stories is going to be very different now. Oh, you mean you're
01:25:23not going to be sleeping with your sources anymore. No, that's not it. She says, I have
01:25:27an understanding and an empathy that I didn't have before. I would do stories in the past about
01:25:32to the best of my ability. And sometimes now I reflect on those. And I don't know if I always
01:25:36thought about how much this would affect, not just the player, but a team and organization,
01:25:41the players' families. Now that I've been at the center of this attention and understanding,
01:25:45this wasn't just something that shook me. It affected my 94-year-old grandmother,
01:25:50my cousins, family members I haven't even spoken to in years. It just had a really lasting effect.
01:25:55And I don't necessarily know if I ever really thought about that as much as I should. But
01:26:00being out of the spotlight helped Rossini discover the best version of herself. I really hope I can
01:26:08be someone other women see. You can pick yourself up, get back out there and not be afraid. Because
01:26:17if you just do the work, Matt, and I hope to continue working at a high level. That's all
01:26:23that's going to matter. And I hope that quiets the noise. Fuck off People Magazine and Diana
01:26:30on this absurd, ridiculous, poisonous spin that takes zero responsibility for what she actually1.00
01:26:39did. I was going to say that's almost like that's got to be a Guinness record for not being0.50
01:26:45introspective at length um that that's more words not looking at your own conduct um in the middle
01:26:56of a scandal than i i can remember anybody uh putting forward it's really amazing i mean look
01:27:04it's a complete no-no for men or women you don't sleep with your sources like that you can't pay
01:27:10yes you can't give favors to your sources um financial or otherwise right like it's usually
01:27:18a career ender uh and for her to even be contemplating coming back this early uh is
01:27:25remarkable uh you know also she talks about it like it's been 10 years in siberia and six months
01:27:32she was off and like she's the victim in the whole thing um the the husband uh first of all
01:27:41why he didn't boot her out the door the instant this happened is is is remarkable i i remember
01:27:47being told this a young person that um you know somebody who cheats on you somebody who talks
01:27:54about you behind your back those are both you know just end it immediately right like that's
01:27:59If you have any self-respect to run her husband down as she's doing that, that's incredible.1.00
01:28:06But, you know, look, that's that's her private business.
01:28:09But the the journalism aspect of it, for People Magazine to be celebrating a comeback as as if she were the victim of something is it's it's pretty amazing.
01:28:27Did you sleep with a source? Are you sorry? I mean, we're not really asking a lot of people. I know people go there for a puff job, but like, is that is basic journalism just two questions too much to ask?
01:28:41No, because it's all about being seen, right? And self-affirmation and self-actualization. That's a storyline that you can have about almost any celebrity, and people will buy it. It doesn't have to make a lot of sense.
01:29:00And it's disappointing, you know, it speaks to the low level of, you know, attention that's paid in our business to pretty serious ethical issues.
01:29:15People make mistakes. Nobody cares. People, you know, will fail to call somebody for comment or, you know, will smear somebody, get something terribly wrong, not feel sorry about it, ruin somebody's life, not feel sorry, sleep with a source, upend their, you know, all kinds of lives.
01:29:40they don't care it's all about them you know as long as they can't they come out all right in the
01:29:47end i guess it doesn't matter well that's what like that's what's so galling because there there
01:29:52was a way for this woman to come back in in like a credible way and that way was probably more than0.99
01:29:59six months off but in any event to come back and say i fucked up definitely caused a lot of pain0.91
01:30:07in my marriage and I'm very sorry for that. And that's a private matter. And everybody would say0.93
01:30:11we get that. Um, as for my journalistic failure, which I also committed, I've paid the price.
01:30:19I was fired and I was basically forced out. She wasn't fired, but I was forced out
01:30:23of my job at the athletic, a job I loved and I deserved it. And now I hope to rebuild the trust
01:30:29of my audience. Um, you know, having come clean and having paid the price for a really
01:30:36fucking stupid thing i did like i do think people are very forgiving and they understand human0.84
01:30:42frailty and failure but this this is the opposite of the way right we've had lots of media scandals1.00
01:30:51in the past where people do things that are questionable the you know we've had um
01:30:57people who've lifted passages from other people's work sometimes inadvertently sometimes they did
01:31:04on purpose and you know got busted and had to spend some time out in the wilderness and then
01:31:10they come back chastened um talk about their mistakes you have to be open about it uh and
01:31:18everybody wins in that situation uh because it's a learning experience for people uh but it's not
01:31:24when nobody has to learn anything when you can just pick up where you left off
01:31:28as if nothing happened um it's just such a strange universe that we live in it's uh it's like um
01:31:37austin power is talking about how you know as long as we still live in a consequence
01:31:42free environment i'm happy you know like that's what we're in we're in the consequence
01:31:47environment it also is giving vibes of vanessa that's not mine no
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01:39:35But the central figure in that committee was Prince Harry.
01:39:39And he was essentially going to be the front man for a report that was going to say that social media was something that was too important and too dangerous to be left in the hands of the general public, that it needed some kind of, you know, a watchdog figure in the government.
01:40:04and the story is amazing because it shows why you can't do that because you know if you if you have
01:40:14a watchdog who's the watchdog um there's always going to be a problem with somebody who's in
01:40:20charge of overseeing your content uh the only remedy is to is to let everybody have their say
01:40:27And, you know, it's very scary. And to see him posing as this kind of holier than thou, you know, protector of speech is is deeply offensive.
01:40:42And especially as an American, the fact that he came over here, you know, a British royal with affecting to tell us how to how to do our business online.
01:40:53And that's that's really obnoxious. Right. He's he was criticizing the First Amendment.
01:40:58Yeah. These two want to style themselves as like the protectors of children and a free speech.
01:41:03Meanwhile, they sue every media company. They did not protect children.
01:41:07They, unlike the rest of us, knew, according to them, about Thomas Markle long before we did and did nothing, nothing by their own admission.
01:41:15I reject fully their continuing attempt to style themselves as protectors of child safety.