Society Marginalizing Biological Women, Shakira Defending Men, and Lizzo's Entitlement, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 757
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J.K. Rowling continues to speak the truth about transgender women, after Scotland s hate crime law went into effect that criminalizes threatening, abusive or insulting behavior. Plus, Shakira speaks out on behalf of her sons over the hugely popular Barbie movie, and Meghan Markle remains in the spotlight.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We have a special episode
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for you this morning, and there's a lot to get to. J.K. Rowling continues to speak the truth about
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transgender, quote, women, after Scotland's hate crime law went into effect that criminalizes
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threatening, abusive, or insulting behavior. Plus, Shakira speaks out on behalf of her sons over
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the hugely popular Barbie movie, and Meghan Markle remains in the spotlight. I wonder how that
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happened. We'll bring you the very latest. Here to discuss it all and more, Daily Mail columnist and
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one of our very favorites on all things culture, Maureen Callahan. With me, right here in the studio.
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Hi. Hi. Great to see you. Great to see you. So I love that J.K. Rowling saw this so-called hate law
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and said, she was out of Scotland at the time, but said, bring it on, and actually said,
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I'm saying all the things, like made a point of tweeting all the things and said, I'm coming back,
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arrest me, to the point where the police had to be like, we're not going to arrest you.
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She called their bluff. Right. We hope it's a bluff. Right. It might not be a bluff if you're not a
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billionaire with her Twitter following. But what do you make of this nonsense?
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It's so interesting. I think J.K. Rowling actually really was hoping to be arrested.
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I really do. I think this is one of the most incredible second acts we've ever seen
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with someone who is already such a cultural powerhouse. I mean, this will be in the top of
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her obituary someday, what she did in terms of advocating for biological women. And what she is
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pointing out is the inherent absurdity of this hate crime law, which went into effect on April Fool's
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Day, which provides protections for every single group but women. Right. But women. So, you know,
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the two examples that she was sure to bring to the fore, which were one was a convicted rapist had
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raped two women. And while awaiting sentencing had decided he was going to change gender, even his
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ex-wife said, never expressed an iota of interest in becoming a woman, by the way, raped me while we
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were married. And the second was a convicted pedophile who had been what he had assaulted a
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10 year old girl in a bathroom and and was also saying, hey, now I'm a woman and I'd like to be
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housed in a female jail. You know, wonder why. So the notion that she should be pilloried for
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standing up for women when those voices are few and far between is absurd. Yeah. You know, it's so
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crazy. This just I was just reminded years ago. I don't even think I had a show in the prime time
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of Fox. I went on O'Reilly and we were talking about this trans prisoner. It was a man who was
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demanding. I think the state of California pay for his sex reassignment surgery, so-called. And I mean,
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this is the as as somebody once said, ugly as a man, outrageous as a woman. And this is like the
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most unattractive person you've ever laid eyes on. And I commented on that on Fox News and media
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matters must have devoted. I don't know how many pages and updates to what a disgusting person I
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was because I was pointing out how ugly this man was. And he was in prison for life. He had committed
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murder. It was like, could you please keep your eye on the ball? And I'm having that same feeling
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right now. We're talking about convicted pedophiles, convicted rapists being put into a woman's prison.
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And I don't care if they identified as a woman for the past 20 years. You're not. You've been
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living your life as male. And the you know, but the late conversion makes it even more in your face
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to the point where if we can't speak out about it, it's not just offensive to us. It's endangering.
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You know, so this may sound tangential, but I do think it's relevant. And I was thinking about this
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knowing we were going to be discussing this. One of my favorite books and one that I think
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every woman should read is the gift of fear by Gavin DeBecker. I love that book.
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It's incredible. And in that book, he talks about
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as a woman moving through the world, you should know that anytime a man makes you feel uncomfortable,
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whether it's I'll help you with your bags or I'll give you a lift. I don't know you. I don't want to
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hurt your feelings. That's how we've been conditioned as women, that there is no decent man on the planet
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who would ever want a woman to feel uncomfortable. So that should be your warning sign. Number one.
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So my question would be for any man who late in life is transitioning,
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knowing that you're going into female centric spaces and you are making those women uncomfortable.
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Why is it on the women to make sure you are comfortable? Yeah. You know, we're talking about
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the NCAA lawsuit, which was just filed. Riley Gaines and others saying, why did you make us
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compete against men? Right. And Leah Thomas, who is intact in the locker room, you know,
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according to several women, they're proudly displaying her genitalia, knowing it was making
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the other females uncomfortable. Some of whom went and changed in the janitor's closet for privacy.
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In what world is this fair to women, to girls and women? Yeah. This is what we saw recently at
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Planet Fitness. Libs of TikTok exposed this, where this man was in there, a 12 year old girl was in
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the locker room and he was posing as a woman as he shaved his beard. He's shaving his, he looks like
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a man. There's not even an attempt to look female. And he's shaving his whiskers off of his face while
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this young prepubescent girl is sitting a stone's throw away. And a woman, a grown woman was also
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there, took a picture of him. They yanked her, her membership, right? Her membership got yanked.
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You know, the women get in trouble for complaining as they're about to get arrested in Scotland for
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complaining. And these fake women get protection. That's why it's so outrageous that women aren't
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protected in the Scotland bill. It's not that we necessarily need more protection or whatever.
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I don't know. Fine. Cause they're like, well, we'll do another bill. It's not, it's not about
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that. It's that by elevating the trans rights and not doing anything for the women, you've truly
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elevated them over us. And we already need laws that make clear they're not over us. That if anybody
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gets a right to reject or say no, it's us because these are not women, they're men. But it's not just
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even the protections. It's the sort of gaslighting, at least in America, that is sociologically now
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accepted, right? It's another way of silencing women. There was that famous story last year,
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and I'm sure it's still ongoing of the sorority, which had a trans member who was demonstrably male
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and really sort of, it felt like a woman in drag. There's, you know, this kind of Dylan Mulvaney-ish
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mocking a bit of femininity. And they all said, we're uncomfortable. But if we say we're uncomfortable,
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we're the bigots. We're the ones who get tarred and feathered and canceled. And the notion that
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women and girls have been put so far back so quickly, I mean, I would never have foreseen this
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10 years ago. It's horrifying. Well, that's like, is it Wisconsin's governor? I think it's Wisconsin
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governor. I have it here, Tony Evers. He just refused to sign the law that would protect athletes,
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female athletes. Yeah. Tony Evers rejected a proposal Tuesday to ban, via the Hill and the
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Daily Mail, to ban transgender student athletes from competing on sports teams consistent with
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their gender identity, which basically is the green light to boys to cheat. He says it's hateful
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and discriminatory and says as follows. I believe this bill fails to comport with our Wisconsin values.
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We expect our kids to treat each other with kindness, respect, empathy, and compassion.
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But he does not mean that we need to treat the girls that way. He means only trans students or
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so-called trans students. He doesn't give a damn about empathy or respect for the girls who don't want
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to change next to a penis. It's, um, it's astonishing that I can't imagine that these schools do not have
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legal teams that say you are one lawsuit away from complete ruin if a girl is assaulted here.
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Right. You know, I mean, so I recently wrote, um, in yesterday's column or Monday's column about this JK
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rallying latest, uh, kerfluffle, whatever you want to call it in Nassau County on Long Island,
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there's an executive called Bruce Blakeman, I believe who signed into order. It was an executive
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order, not a law protecting biological girls sports and saying, this is unfair to girls to have to compete
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against boys. They are, they are stronger. They are, they have more muscle mass. They have more
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testosterone. They have all of these advantages. And that was assailed by none other than Letitia
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James, New York's first female attorney general. What a turncoat. On the one hand, she's all about
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let's take Trump down. You know, he's a misogynist. He's all of these things. And yet on the other hand,
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she's throwing young girls under the bus. You're so right. She was behind the Harvey Weinstein
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prosecutions. Yeah, you're exactly right. When it comes, when the chips are down, you're talking
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about minor females, her woke bona fides matter more than her actual caring for women, for, for
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girls. There is a case in the news right now. Okay. This is, I want to make sure I get it right.
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Athlete CeCe Teflor, born Craig, uh, and CeCe Teflor, Teflor, displaced college women in the finals of a
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women's invitational meet in Boston last month. We're talking about track and field, uh, Teflor,
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the first openly trans identifying male, meaning a man who identifies as a female to win a women's
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NCAA national title in the 400 meter hurdles, ran unattached with it, which I think means not
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backed by a school. Uh, they, he bumped a female athlete out of the finals and then went on from
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there. He has been running track since grade school. He is, well, let me, I'm not even going
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to give you a description. Let me just show you the picture. You see, if you can guess which one
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is formerly Craig now CC, which one of these might be a man. Hmm. Is it hard to tell? Could it be the
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one who's six foot two? Yeah, that's Craig. And Craig is, uh, was on the university's male track and
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field team at university of New Hampshire for three years. This is not somebody who like is
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prepubescent where the bodies actually are closer to the same, um, ran for university of New Hampshire,
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uh, as a man ranked 200th and 390th respectively among division two men in the 400 hurdles.
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And after transitioning, as I pointed out, qualified for the NCAA women's division to outdoor track and
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field championships during his senior year, the senior year, like right after finishing it up,
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uh, let's run.com reports that Telfer ran slightly faster in the 400 hurdles competing as a man than
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as a woman. So he was a teensy, like a second better when he was running male 57.34 seconds versus
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57.53 seconds. So I mean, barely. So the point is he lost nothing right in his transition. Uh, and
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that's even though the men's hurdles are six inches taller than the women's, but when he ran as a man,
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he did not even score at the conference meet. And then, um, when he ran as a woman, he became
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a record setter, NCAA winner and so on. Now, by the way, according to the daily mail, CC formerly Craig
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is set to release a memoir later this year, celebrating how quote, she became the first openly
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trans quote woman to win an NCAA title. This is cheating. It's, you know, all you have to do Megan
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is look, I was looking at that picture that you just put up the body language, the demeanor,
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the expressions of the two female athletes on either side. They're already defeated. They know
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they have no shot to see that again. They have no shot. What are they working for and sacrificing for
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and just putting up, look at this, look at this. Why, why are they being put through this pantomime
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through this? It just, it's, it, the race is over, is over before it's begun. We know who's going to
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win and the, and the demeanor of CC, which is just sort of like, well, it's all, it's all powerful.
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It's all, I'm here. Here's a video. He's jumping up and down. He's psyched. He's ready to go.
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And these, the hair flip is key. They look like little people next to him. Oh yeah. They look
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like children. Yeah. Next to this grown man who they have to run against. Otherwise like Leah Thomas
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and what he put people like Riley gains through their lives will be ruined. They'll be called
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bigots. They won't get job offers, et cetera. Exactly. Exactly. And you wonder about the integrity
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athletically and otherwise of anyone who could compete knowing that the chips are so stacked in their
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favor and against these girls. Again, I don't understand it. You know, you were talking about
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this a few days ago. You never see this the other way around. We don't see it the other way around,
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which should tell us a lot. And I just wonder, you know, that clip that you just played of Hillary,
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who's out there promoting suffs, right? Which sounds like just the worst Broadway musical ever.
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Suffragists. Oh my God. Where is she on this? Yeah. Where are our leading female voices on this
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crisis? Where's our JK Rowling? Where's our JK Rowling? Great question. There's Martina Navarrola who
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stuck a toe in these waters and then got shamed, then immediately dialed it back. She's a leftist.
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So it would be nice if she would maintain the voice, right? But she eventually came back around,
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right? After many other women did it. She finally found the stones to actually do something about it.
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Okay, fine. We'll take her support. Um, who, where are billionaires? Where's fucking Oprah?
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Where is Oprah? Well, she's doing her ozempic apology tour right now. So maybe when she's done
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with that, where's Michelle Obama? Oh, where's Michelle? Yeah. Where, where are all of our female
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billionaires like JK Rowling, right? She's not one of ours from the UK, right? Where are the American
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female billionaires to come out and say something about this? No one. We don't have that person.
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We don't. It's, it's, it's, it's, this is where we are culturally. We are, we live in Wokistan.
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And I don't know at what point the, the needle will be forced backwards, but you know, even to see Joe
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Biden back on his heels a bit, you know, over this Easter weekend. It was interesting.
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Right. Trans day of visibility, which apparently 15 years ago was designated as March 31st. But this
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year it happened to fall on Easter. He sent out a tweet celebrate. I see you. I value you to all
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the trans people on Easter Sunday. I understand it wasn't scheduled by him, but he did it. He
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celebrated it on this holy holiday for Christians without apology and really just kind of said,
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it wasn't, it wasn't my idea, but I did it. Right. But he, he felt the need to, to backtrack.
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Yeah. You know, I mean, we're seeing all the sort of, uh, the winds of change as the election gets
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closer and closer. And it struck me that instead of doubling down, he backed off a little bit.
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Interesting. Because he put out the statement saying, I didn't create it. It wasn't my,
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wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was, you know, my staff that's really running the show. We all know
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that, you know, we have a side of it. Hold on. Let's watch. Speaker Johnson said you betrayed
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the 10 of Easter by proclaiming Sunday, Easter Sunday as transgender day. He called it outrageous
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and abhorrent. What do you say to Speaker Johnson? He's thoroughly uninformed. Uninformed. How?
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I didn't do that. I mean, I don't know what to say. He's, you think he's getting the
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message? No, I just think he's confused at any given moment. And you know,
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we can't read too much into it. I don't, I mean, I, I, I was actually more struck by
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him standing shoulder to shoulder with Hunter on the white house lawn on Easter. Yeah. And Hunter's
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just sort of complete pride and arrogance and being there instead of, you know, the political
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liability that he is. The nerve, the nerve to invite him and have him around people's, you know,
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children. Yeah. Like I wouldn't bring my 15 year old kid if I were you. I wouldn't bring my 15
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year old kid around either one of them. Hair sniffing Joe Hunter with his own peccadilloes. No,
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absolutely not. No, he was interviewed by Al Roker and he said like, what's your favorite memory of
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these things? And Joe Biden was like, my favorite memory was this little girl. I'm like, Oh God.
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Oh my God. And he went from there. Uh, yeah. So that was trans day of visibility. Uh, while we're
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on the subject of women and, and successful ones, Shakira, I like Shakira. I actually, I almost never
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go to concerts, but I have been to a Shakira concert. Um, I'm not over the fact that I was
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forced to see Shakira's vag at the Superbowl performance a couple of years ago with my then
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six year old in the room, but I'll forgive her. I'll forgive her, I guess, because I like what
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she's saying here where she spoke out about the movie Barbie and she saw the movie Barbie and had
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some thoughts, which she shared. Um, here's a, here's a clip from the movie. So you can see where
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she's coming from. Okay. So she gives an interview to a lure. The title of the piece is Shakira's she
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wolf feminism pointing out. She's the mother of two boys. She separated from their father. Um,
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they broke up amid allegations that he was cheating on her. And in the piece, she's asked
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about this movie. Now I can't help, but ask a question that's been on my mind since we began
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this conversation. Did you watch the movie Barbie? Like, why would you ask that? Okay. But anyway,
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I watched it. Yeah. Long pause. And my sons absolutely hated it. They felt it was emasculating
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and I agree to a certain extent. I'm raising two boys. I want them to feel powerful too.
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While respecting women. I like pop culture when it attempts to empower women without robbing men of
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their possibility to be men, to also protect and provide. I believe in giving women all the tools
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and the trust that we can do it all without losing our essence, without losing our femininity.
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I think that men have a purpose in society and women have another purpose as well. We compliment
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each other and that compliment should not be lost. Question. Just because a woman can do it all
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doesn't mean she should. Why not share the load? And this is her. Okay. Why not share the load with
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people who deserve to carry it, who have a duty to carry it as well? Uh, blah, blah, blah. Okay.
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It goes on from there. So she's been getting some blowback for this. I think, you know, most
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conservatives like what she's saying, but I, it's no coincidence, probably Maureen, that she's like a
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Latin woman, you know, I think like they're fine with more of traditional roles in this country.
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We shame young women who feel any attraction to that as somehow, somehow wrong, other or backward.
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Yeah. I mean, I, first of all, I love an original take on something that the hive mind has already
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come to an agreement upon. And I love someone who's sort of willing to go against that sort of
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prevailing opinion. Um, my biggest problem with Barbie is I thought it was mediocre and dull.
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And if I had to hear one more time, the valorization of that soliloquy in there, that America Ferrara
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soliloquy about, Oh, if you're, if you're a woman, if you're, you're aggressive, you're a bitch. But if a
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man does it, he's strong. It's like, that is the horriest thing that has been going around since the
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early seventies. And it was treated as though Greta Gerwig had like gone to the Mount and God
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had given her this on a tablet and she came back down. And then we all had to sit through the Oscars
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in which Barbie, which won, I think nothing, maybe one award maybe, but was at every turn at every
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turn. It was Barbie, this Barbie, that Barbie, this Barbie, that, and it wasn't the best movie
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of the year by a long shot. You know, I think Barbie was sort of attempting to sort of be this
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overcorrection for girls and women of feeling, you know, yes, you can do it all. Or, you know,
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if women ran the world, what, what sort of utopia that might be like, but wonder woman also came
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out several years ago. And that was sort of that message as well. And I just think that
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there is something to what Shakira is saying, the sort of the, the, the way that the men were sort
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of portrayed as bumbling idiots. Yeah. You know, um, you can fight back against this. You really
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can. I never saw Barbie, but my daughter did. And before she went, we talked about, you know,
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what I'd heard about the movie and, you know, sort of what to look out for. And she came back and she
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was like, eh, she was like, it seemed very anti boy. Interesting. Yeah. That, that was her takeaway.
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That is fascinating. And she's got two brothers and a father who she loves. It's like you,
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you, you can sort of turn it. We don't have to go hardcore. I don't, I'm not trying to turn my kids
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into activists at all, but I do want them to be aware of these messages as they're coming across
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the transom. And I also think that moms of both girls and boys are going to be the solution in
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part to this problem. Right. Cause like, I don't want my daughter to get sexually harassed. I don't
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want her to have her job staked on her sleeping with a boss. Um, but I also don't want my sons to go
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through college having to sign consent agreements with women before they have their sexual experiences
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or whatever it is they choose to have in college. Right. Right. Absolutely. So, you know, the problem
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with Barbie per Shakira is when it feels less like an entertainment and more like a polemic. Right.
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Yeah. And I think there is something to that. And I think we're going to see a little bit more of it
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because apparently there's going to be a Barbie too. Oh God. I mean, it made over a billion dollars.
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So here we are. We're going to have Barbie too. And I'd love to see what they're going to do to Ken
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next. Right. Like, how are they going to spit roast Ken? I'm Megan Kelly, host of the Megan Kelly
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00:25:04.500
James Carvel comes out and, you know, he's one of those Democrats who's, he hasn't gone woke.
00:25:11.720
He's not like annoyingly sanctimonious and lecturing us all the time. Um, and he is pretty
00:25:17.820
good at diagnosing what problems the Democrats are facing. And he posted the following on his
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YouTube show the other day. Watch this. You know, I've been very vocal about this. Uh, it's,
00:25:29.080
it's horrifying. Our numbers among younger voters, uh, uh, particularly, uh, uh, black,
00:25:38.380
younger blacks, younger Latinos or whatever, but whatever younger, I don't like that younger
00:25:44.700
people are coming, particularly males. We're not shedding them that they're leaving in the droves.
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Okay. So he doesn't spit it out as articulately as perhaps we'd, we'd like, but he's not wrong,
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right? The younger voters, the men in particular are leaving white, black, Hispanic. And I, it's not
00:26:08.340
directly related to Barbie, but it's kind of all part of the same problem. What do you think it is
00:26:15.140
particularly with the Democrats and their messaging right now? I think they're sanctimonious
00:26:19.000
lecturing, scolding men are bad. I mean, that's really like what man wants to watch Ken and hear
00:26:24.960
that messaging, you know, like who gets a kick out of that. And I think it's also like we were looking
00:26:29.960
at the podcast numbers the other day morning and our show is doing great. Thank God. Thank God. And
00:26:34.600
thanks to all of you. But you look at like Joe Rogan, right? Monster, monster. His downloads are like
00:26:40.960
in the, I don't know, several, several double digit millions and everybody else is way below.
00:26:46.340
But most of the top podcasters are men who are speaking to these guys who feel disaffected,
00:26:56.220
rejected, blamed for everything. You know, they're the scourge of everything. Like Jordan Peterson is
00:27:02.460
very popular, I think for the same reason. And I do think it is mostly leftist women who are pushing
00:27:10.000
this message. You know, conservative women, they're not out there bashing men at every turn. It's like
00:27:13.740
these Upper West Side liberals who are like, you know, down with the patriarchy. It's not to say
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you and I've talked many times. It's not to say that women don't have real problems, right? That
00:27:21.940
we've cleaned up all work environments and that we have all the same advantages, perfectly equal.
00:27:25.920
We don't. There's definitely some more work to be done, but we we've overcorrected in some areas
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to now where the message is just assume men are the problem. Just assume your boy's not getting into
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college because he's a boy. Yeah. And nevermind if he's a white boy. Yeah. Like,
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and I think they're feeling it. They're feeling it across all age groups. You know, I remember
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having this conversation with you. I don't remember if it was on air or not, but I was talking about
00:27:51.260
one of my best friends who she and her family left Brooklyn several years ago for New Jersey. And she
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said, I am not going to have my child, my son educated in a system that tells him because he is a
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young, white, blonde, blue eyed, straight male that he is the problem. And I thought, wow, like to
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identify that so early and to know that that is what's coming down the pike for him. And I think
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you're right. I think there is. And it's, it's, it's akin to what we were talking about earlier.
00:28:26.020
Whereas women, we sometimes feel, oh, when it comes to something like the trans issue, if we speak up
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about it, we're bigots, we're transphobes. I've been called every name in the book. I'm sure you
00:28:35.800
have too. And I feel like for men, it's must be this silent majority of like, but we're not the
00:28:42.700
problem. Why don't we get to be men? Why are, why even there was just an amazing story I was reading
00:28:51.180
about the, um, the rise in, in blue collar work and the push for more vocational schools
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instead of this constant push down the line for a higher education, for four-year college or
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university. And those jobs will never be going away. You know, as we, as we've seen in America,
00:29:12.980
all too recently, our infrastructure is crumbling. And yet these are not a, this is not a cohort that
00:29:23.480
the Democrats want to talk to anymore. They're not talking to them. They're not talking at them.
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They're just bypassing them. And I think that's exactly who James Carville is talking about.
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And also when it comes to shedding blacks, Latinos, like let's talk about the anti-cop movement.
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Let's talk about the soft on crime movement. Who is that hurting the most? That's hurting
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young, poor, dispossessed blacks and Latinos the most. Look at the view the other day.
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Let's pull this soundbite over guys. Whoopi Goldberg was angry when, uh, Alyssa Farah,
00:30:05.300
who's the sort of, sort of conservative conservative. Yeah. Um, Alyssa pointed out that Trump went to the
00:30:11.780
funeral, um, of officer Diller on Long Island and Joe Biden went to a podcast. Yes. And look at
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Whoopi Goldberg's reaction to Trump doing that while, while Biden was out, you know, getting more
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campaign donations and promoting himself on that podcast. Look at this.
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This past week, he had a brief, good political moment for a Republican. He attended a slain NYPD
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officer's funeral to juxtapose, you know, what he was framing as Biden hobnobbing with celebrities.
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Choose what you like there. But for Republicans, it was good imagery.
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And I'm asking that because I was so offended because this man, because you know who showed
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up and he was, whether he was asked or not, this is a man who didn't, didn't care what happened to
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the officers on January 6th. Okay. She promotes Joe Biden and Kamala Harris every day on that show.
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Kamala Harris called Jacob Blake, a hero. Kamala Harris was getting involved on the side of the
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rebel rousers, the accused criminals during the BLM riots that Jacob Blake pulled a knife on cops.
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It was admitted on her network, ABC, in an interview with Michael Strahan.
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They can't tolerate a moment of a politician paying his respects to a fallen cop because Trump
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wasn't supportive enough of the cops who were, yes, in danger on J6. How does that explain their
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behavior on a daily basis toward Harris, toward Biden, toward AOC, toward all of the left,
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including their own show, Sonny Hostin, who supported the BLM riots, endangering and hurting
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thousands of cops, thousands of them. The hypocrisy is rank.
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The hypocrisy is rank. Whataboutism is the refuge of cowards. I hate it when something comes up in it.
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So what about this? What about that? Trump, there were, there were a couple of things about that
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this weekend, again, and this took place over Easter weekend and it was incredibly tragic.
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Trump went to that wake and was welcomed there, spoke to the widow, spoke to the family.
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When he was asked what possible good could come out of this tragedy, he said the only good thing that
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could come out of this is that there are stronger and tougher laws on the books to keep criminals like
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this off the streets. This guy had a record. This was a traffic stop. This was the father of a one-year-old.
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Yeah. Contrast that with Kathy Hochul showing up at that wake and she was not wanted and she was
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filmed outside that funeral home. And there was somebody who attended that wake who had words with
00:33:09.960
her, who was very upset. And we later learned, basically, she was told you have blood on your
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hands. This is not enough to get New York's governor, assembly, legislature. Nobody will move on this stuff.
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Nobody will move on these soft on crime policies. I'm sure you see this every day. Every day in New
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York, women are getting punched in the face, walking down the streets. This is now the cost of doing
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business for being a woman in New York City. Yeah. It comes at random, unexpected times. You get
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attacked from behind, from the front with massive blows. It's not that any punch would be enjoyable, but
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massive blows to the face where women have welts as big as this. Even Bethany Frankel came out
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and tweeted that she had been attacked. I mean, she's well known. I don't know. Then she deleted
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I'm suspect of Bethany. I think if Bethany Frankel had been attacked, she would have been live streaming
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from her nearest five-star urgent clinic. That's just me. Fair enough. Fair enough. But the point is,
00:34:10.100
it's happening in this city, which is just completely dangerous now. And in a way, you know,
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I had the fifth column on last week and we were talking about this. We're talking about how terrifying
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the subways are now. And Michael Moynihan, who's part of the fifth column, texted me later that day
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or the next day, a video of him on the subway with lunatics on there, threatening the passengers,
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behaving in a very disturbing manner. It's just, that's because of Whoopi's side of the aisle. I'm
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sorry, but that the people that she supports on a day-to-day basis are the ones who put these no cash
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bail, you know, policies in place and soft on crime prosecutors in place where these people
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just go in. And before the cops can fill out the paperwork, they're already back out. So I really
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don't want to hear her indignation about January 6th. I don't support what happened on January 6th.
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And I've been, you know, critical of it from the beginning, but this is ridiculous because she
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doesn't give two shits about the thousands, literally thousands of cops who've been hurt since
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the beginning of BLM. It's just, it's infuriating. Anyway. Okay. So that's, that's them. Something
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else. Yes. I know this is weird, but I told Abby before you came, make sure you get the article to
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Maureen about the man with a penis and a vagina. She did. She got it to me. She's like, got it.
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Get Maureen, the man with the penis and the vagina. Can I tell you my first reaction? Overachiever.
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My book is called Settle for More. Well, there you go. Maybe, maybe took a lesson,
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maybe book noted some stuff. Okay. So I did not bring this up exactly in the trans discussion
00:35:45.860
because to me, this is about a bigger, different thing. So this is in Canada where they've truly
00:35:50.800
gone crazy on these issues. In Canada, a quote, non-binary person who is 33 years old is from the
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Daily Mail, uh, wants the taxpayers to fund his, it's a biological male, $70,000 surgery to get a
00:36:07.220
vagina. And he wants to keep his penis. Right, right, right. Wants to keep the P. Uh, he lives in
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Ontario. He's 33 born male identifies as non-binary says he's literally a mix. That's not a thing. And,
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um, got originally denied the taxpayer money because it's taxpayer healthcare out there denied.
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And then, uh, uh, an appellate court overruled the denial and said, you should get it. Uh, and now
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he's appealing it or the other side's appealing. One of them's appealing it. So it's not, it's not
00:36:41.980
yet settled. Uh, this is what his lawyer writes. It is very important for KS, which is how he's going
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to have a vagina for her personal interpretation of her gender expression. Okay. No female has to
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petition a court for her vagina. It comes along with everything else. It has to petition the court
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for a vagina. It's very important for her personal interpretation of her gender expression, but she
00:37:09.720
also wishes to maintain her penis, her penis writes the doctor who's supporting KS. KS is trans feminine,
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but not completely on the feminine end of the spectrum. And for this reason, it's important
00:37:25.600
for her to have a vagina while maintaining a penis. Okay. There's so many places that you could go
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with this piece of news. Um, the place that I, that I went to it when I read this article, Maureen was
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we are in some sort of bizarre other world now on what we're doing to one another. Like that this
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is somehow acceptable because this person wants to get this surgery in the United States at a clinic
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in Texas, which says it does about 10 of these a year. Wow. In Austin, Texas. So there are multiple
00:38:05.280
people walking around right now by choice, having created some artificial penis to match the vagina
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or artificial vagina to match the penis. Both are there. Both are somewhat functional.
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And I, I can't help, but think back to the warnings that seemed extreme at the time from people like
00:38:28.020
O'Reilly on Fox. Like we start going down this line, we're going to wind up saying yes to some very
00:38:34.860
extreme behaviors that nobody wants to normalize. And I have to say, this seems like one of them,
00:38:40.340
this as a moral, as an ethical, as a religious, I can't like matter should not be allowed. We should
00:38:49.300
not be a society that says, sure, have all the body parts you want. Uh, there's another trend to get rid
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of your belly button and also a trend to get rid of all genitals. You have no genitals whatsoever.
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So it's Ken, right? Exactly. He has nothing. Good point. He has nothing. Yeah. This, I don't mean to
00:39:07.780
be mean, but this is freaky. This is downright freaky. It's disturbing. This person could be
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teaching your kid in school. This person could be moving in next door to you. And next thing you know,
00:39:18.800
at a cocktail party, he's telling you all about his penis and vagina. I miss the days when there
00:39:25.020
were societal norms against this most extreme behavior. Now we've crossed over to where it's
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taxpayer funded. It's so, it's so crazy. I did not know that there was a place in Texas that was
00:39:38.780
performing about 10 of these a year. And my, my initial thing is sort of, you know, surgery is
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surgery. It's serious business. And it really should be sort of your last option, no matter what
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is going on. Um, it's the percentage of people. I would love to know the percentage of people because
00:40:00.260
what this automatically made me think of, I was doing a little reading on my way here and it was
00:40:05.860
making me think of, you know, and these are again, like, um, it's a very marginal number, but the number
00:40:11.100
of children say who are born intersex, right? Yeah. Born with both genitalia. And what they used to do
00:40:17.460
was the doctors would decide upon birth, which sex the baby should be. They would be raised that
00:40:23.140
way. And then later in life, they would have gender confusion and they would say, I feel more
00:40:27.180
this. And it would, they would learn what happened to them. And I think just for, for those, those
00:40:31.080
intersex people, I don't think they have both a penis and a vagina. I think generally they have
00:40:34.380
female sex organs and a penis. I don't know for sure. I haven't actually done a deep dive on this,
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but that's my understanding of intersex. I don't know that you have both an active penis and a vagina.
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I don't know that you do. I think that there also may be testes that
00:40:47.400
don't drop something like that. That's one thing. If you, if, if through some genetic issue in,
00:40:53.640
in utero, you are born like that. Those people deserve empathy and kindness. This is like a
00:41:00.440
surgical creation by a doctor. Who's got a Hippocratic oath to do no harm. And you know,
00:41:06.920
when you want to go male to female in the operation department, they usually take your penis,
00:41:12.980
just cut it off, forgive me guys, and try to transform it into something that looks like a
00:41:18.080
vag. Here, they've got to take all that tissue because this guy wants to have it all from the
00:41:23.780
colon, from the abdomen. And this is, we've seen, it's been reported a 16 year old boy die when they
00:41:31.640
tried to create a vagina out of a penis. Cause he didn't have enough penile material, thanks to all
00:41:40.700
the cross-sex hormones and the, and the puberty blockers. And when they take that material from
00:41:44.720
a colon, you can die. So this is a dangerous thing to have done to yourself too. And we're treating it
00:41:49.440
like it's a nose job. Right, right, right. We're treating it sort of like you're going to your
00:41:54.320
dermatologist and getting a little lip filler and what have you. It's a laser tweakments, you know?
00:41:59.520
And I think, I think a lot of this will, you know, we're seeing this in Europe and I, I love seeing
00:42:05.340
this in Europe because there's a, a branch of, of the American elite that love to look at Europe as
00:42:12.120
so superior to us in every way. And they have pulled way back on medicalizing children and
00:42:18.500
teenagers. They won't do it. They won't do it. And France is the latest country to begin really
00:42:22.680
pulling back and saying like, no, this is too damaging. It's causing harm. We should be coming at
00:42:28.740
this as a mental, emotional, psychological issue first. And in America, we're not there yet,
00:42:34.960
you know? And I was so struck. I don't know if you saw this by the New York times, that piece that
00:42:40.100
Pamela Paul wrote that it was like four pages long on detransitioning. And these young people who said
00:42:48.380
as a teenager or young, like adolescent pubescent went to my doctor, exhibited confusion,
00:42:56.140
the medical industrial complex, put me on a conveyor belt. This was the answer. This was the
00:43:02.660
only answer. It's a firm, a firm, a firm. And you're talking about children and teenagers with
00:43:09.220
incredibly plastic minds. Anybody who's been through adolescence knows it's one of the traumatic
00:43:14.360
things, most traumatic things you can ever go through. Yeah. Can you imagine making a decision
00:43:18.160
that's going to affect you medically for the rest of your life? No, no. And the parents who allow it.
00:43:23.820
Yeah. It's just like, I'm sorry, but this is, you know, I'm not like somebody who's very preachy
00:43:30.620
when it comes to religion. But to me, this feels like evil somehow, that there'd be a doctor who
00:43:37.000
would do this to a person who's obviously sick, as like a medical complex that says,
00:43:42.720
we'll support you in this obvious, severe mental illness. And then this person walking around with
00:43:49.440
this secret that we all are supposed to pretend is totally normal and fine. I just like, no,
00:43:57.560
I mean, we've got lines. And for me, they're important lines and we should uphold them.
00:44:01.920
Okay. Which weirdly leads me to Lizzo. So Lizzo it's, I, I, the transition works because Lizzo is
00:44:09.160
somebody who's been trying to say, it's healthy to be this fat, like body positivity. Right. And okay,
00:44:15.560
that's fine. It's like redefining. I don't believe that it's not healthy, but she's working it to the
00:44:21.060
tune of, I'm sure, you know, over a hundred million dollars probably at this point. And she's got,
00:44:24.820
um, all these advantages, right? She's got so many blessings. She gets asked, gets asked to perform at
00:44:31.400
Joe Biden's fundraiser last Friday night. She does it. And within 24 hours, she quits music. She sends
00:44:39.060
out her little post. I'm, I'm done. I'm sick of being criticized in the internet. All I try to do
00:44:44.700
is put positivity out there into the world. And what do I get? I get trolled. I quit. Well, that
00:44:50.320
lasted about two minutes. She's back. Okay. Uh, I didn't quit music. I just quit haters. Okay. No,
00:44:57.640
she quit, right? Yeah. She's got whatever she rethought it. But to me, Maureen, this shows something
00:45:03.180
you write about all the time, which is her disgusting sense of entitlement. This is a person
00:45:07.860
who has won Emmys. She's won Grammys. She has her own fashion line. She's now making movies. She had a
00:45:14.380
reality TV series. She is lauded as a, as an icon by every magazine and every entertainment, uh, show
00:45:22.740
and publication. Um, she's made probably, like I said, hundreds of millions or at least over a hundred
00:45:28.560
million. She's got double platinum, quadruple platinum, seven time platinum albums. She gets
00:45:36.160
celebrated at every turn. She gets asked to appear before three presidents. It's not enough
00:45:41.440
because some people dared to criticize her online. She's got to throw a fit like a little brat and say,
00:45:48.840
I quit. And she's going to be begged back into the business by all of her adoring fans because she
00:45:55.360
doesn't want to traffic in hate. I'm sorry. She went political. She's constantly lecturing us about
00:46:01.120
the body. So it's fine to talk about the body and whether what she's saying is true. And she,
00:46:07.000
like so many of these celebrities think that they're, you know, what doesn't stink and we're not allowed
00:46:12.920
to weigh in on their controversial behavior or just say, we don't like them. Right. Right.
00:46:18.560
You know what I thought when I saw that announcement, I quit. I thought what is really going on?
00:46:25.360
Behind the scenes. Do you remember several months ago, that lawsuit that was filed by all those
00:46:32.440
backup dancers and they were alleging that there was weird sexual stuff going on and hostile work
00:46:37.140
and, and, you know, that really took her back like that. You could tell that there was something
00:46:44.000
really amiss in the house of Lizzo and which, by the way, all of those accomplishments that you just
00:46:49.460
listed that belong to her are exceedingly vanishingly rare in the cultural landscape to
00:46:55.760
break through all the noise in this incredibly fragmented culture and become a mainstream pop
00:47:02.420
star. It's incredibly difficult. So she's already in the 1% of the 1%. Yeah. So that was initially my
00:47:10.180
thought. And because it also came on the tail end of all of this, these far more explosive
00:47:16.840
allegations against Sean Diddy Combs. And I thought somebody's trying to get ahead of something and
00:47:23.980
perhaps then perhaps having been on stage and ratified by Obama and Clinton and Biden and being
00:47:33.000
among this, you know, rarefied crowd sort of made her rethink withdrawing from the public eye. I mean,
00:47:39.640
who knows, it feels very schizophrenic. It doesn't feel like the most sober judgments one might be
00:47:45.440
making within the span of 48 hours. Good point. Yeah. Well, look, I, all I want to hear from Lizzo
00:47:51.080
is thank you. That's it. It's not that hard. Thanks so much. Really appreciate all my many blessings.
00:47:57.280
I don't want to hear about how she doesn't like online negative comments, Meghan Markle. I mean,
00:48:01.600
that's the problem. Like you put yourself in the public eye, you want fame and fortune. There's a downside.
00:48:05.760
We all know it. Most of us take it like men or women and don't go whining and quit. I'm taking my ball and
00:48:11.640
going home. So as it turns out, she wants more of your money because she's back in the business.
00:48:16.520
Okay. Speaking of Meghan Markle, she decided to show up at a children's hospital, Los Angeles and do
00:48:22.160
a reading to support literacy. Uh, I guess it was, Oh no, it was a literal annual fundraising at the
00:48:29.740
hospital that aims to create hope and build healthier futures. And she did a little reading,
00:48:37.800
which you can see here. This is one of my favorite. Her great, great aunt Rose was a true dynamo
00:48:44.300
who'd worked building airplanes a long time ago. That night as Rosie lay wide-eyed in bed, a daring
00:48:50.960
idea cracked into her head. Did you know that cheddar cheese spray keeps the snakes away?
00:48:56.440
So have you ever done a charity event and then you run and make sure that everybody gets to see it,
00:49:07.300
uh, in the video and promote it and make sure they know you did the charity event? Cause that
00:49:13.320
seems to be her pattern. I'm amazed. She's not reading from the bench. Her children's book
00:49:18.920
about her husband being the greatest father on the planet. I mean, no, no, and no. And also I think
00:49:27.140
I cannot look, this may say more about me than it does about her. I doubt it, but I will offer that
00:49:32.840
disclaimer. I cannot look at anything she does without looking at it through the prism of who
00:49:39.100
and what she's trying to poke. Kate Middleton, as we know, is very sick with cancer. This one shows up
00:49:47.340
at a children's hospital. You know, it just, it feels cynical. It feels like, look at me,
00:49:54.040
look how magnanimous I am. You know, this is the same woman who uninvited took a camera crew down to
00:50:00.700
Uvalde. You want to talk about a sacred space. That is a sacred space. She had zero business being there.
00:50:07.980
You want to help? Why don't you cut a check? You want to help? Why don't you talk to some of your
00:50:11.700
very famous, powerful friends and see what you can do behind the scenes quietly? Yeah.
00:50:16.800
Everything she does has a camera attached to it. And there's a reason. I mean, there, look,
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I'm a public figure. I do charitable work. I don't put it all over the internet unless the person says
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to me, would you promote it to draw attention? Then I'll do it. But there are a lot of charitable
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things that I do that I'm sure you do that other well-known people do. And you don't see us saying,
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I really would love you to give me credit for it because what I'm doing here is really
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promoting myself. That's what she is doing in my view. That's what she always does. You can take
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it to the bank. Oh, it's the famous Steinbrenner quote, right? Like George Steinbrenner, one of the
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great bullies of New York, but who did a lot of charitable work behind the scenes. And I don't know
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if this was his original saying, but it went something like, if you do something good for somebody else
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and more than two people know, you did it for the wrong reason. And I love that.
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That's so good. It's so perfect. And we know everything. I don't think she says yes,
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unless she knows there's going to be a camera there. Maureen Callahan, amazing as always.
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Thanks, Megan. Thank you so much for having me. It's so fun.
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And why is it whenever you come here, there's terrible weather outside?
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There's terrible weather. But before we wrap up, because we didn't really get into
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American Riviera Orchard, which Megan's forthcoming lifestyle brand. I think we're all
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refreshing constantly, right? When is the product line? When is the product line?
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I did the most digging I could do, and I did find something. And I thought,
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if anyone should have it, you should have it. Oh, God. So I brought it for you.
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You brought presents? Just nothing big. But it's a little teaser to come of
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what Megan has in store for us. I've got to see this. Oh, my God. Valentino. All right.
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This is going in my main powder room today. Oh, my God. A place of honor. Oh, my God.
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Everyone's going to want these. Where can we get these, Maureen? This is specially made.
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This was specially made. Indeed. I have to give a shout out to some anonymous hero on Reddit who
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very swiftly took the American Riviera Orchard calligraphy and grafted it onto the logo.
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This is beautiful. This is so clever. Yes, this is a website I would go to.
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Absolutely. I'd buy a million of those things. Let's face it. When they really get hers up and
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running, we're going to be there every day. She's just the gift that keeps on giving.
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Greatest performance artist of our time. Bye, lady. Thanks to Maureen and thanks to all of you
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for joining me back again later today. See you then.
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