The Megyn Kelly Show - The Mystery of Talarico's DISAPPEARANCE, and Ari Emanuel on Secrets of Hollywood, the Value of ＂Rage,＂ and Meghan Markle ｜ Ep. 1415

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00:00:55.560 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and happy Friday.

00:01:01.920 Oh, we have a good show for you today. I'm really looking forward to our second hour

00:01:05.920 when Hollywood super agent Ari Emanuel will be here to talk about his new book,

00:01:12.500 and he's naming names. He and I have our own history, which will be fun to talk about.

00:01:16.840 And his new book is a page turner. If you know anything about the show Entourage and Ari Gold, as the character is named there, that's Ari Emanuel.

00:01:30.940 The F word is every other word, but he uses it to great effect.

00:01:35.660 He makes no apologies for who he is.

00:01:37.720 He is a tough as nails Hollywood agent, super agent is correct, in a town where everyone's 0.99

00:01:45.600 operating under kill or be killed, and he's a killer.

00:01:50.140 So it's going to be really interesting to talk to him about what's in his book, how

00:01:54.520 he got to the top.

00:01:55.460 And there's a surprising side to Ari that you may not know about if you know anything about him, which is there's there's actually a piece of him that struggled mightily.

00:02:06.640 We'll tell you how and why. And the lessons he's learned from that struggle is something he wants to share with you.

00:02:13.420 So that's next hour. Plus, there are new texts in the Cornell 8 case that are going to make Jane Doe's claim that she did not consent to the group sex impossible.

00:02:23.300 I'm sorry, it's like, by the way, if you missed the episode the other day, it's the Cornell 8

00:02:29.260 because she too has been accused of sexual assault and the allegations against her are far more

00:02:34.820 credible, far more credible. Defendant number one is alleging that she was fellating him while he

00:02:41.400 was completely unconscious, passed out in and out of consciousness. And she appears to acknowledge

00:02:48.780 that he was completely blitzed out of his mind on the interludes she had with him.

00:02:55.500 So why was she fooling around with him?

00:02:57.900 The left standard is you cannot consent when you are blotto whether you chose to ingest

00:03:05.480 the drugs and alcohol or not.

00:03:07.420 I'll go with it.

00:03:08.120 That's Jane Doe's preferred standard too.

00:03:10.860 If that's the preferred standard, then she is the Cornell 8. 0.61

00:03:15.580 She's number eight, the eighth person at Cornell accused of a sexual assault.

00:03:20.280 Only the allegations against her appear to be the most credible of them all.

00:03:24.160 We'll tell you about the texts.

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00:04:31.920 We begin today with the question, where is James Tallarico?

00:04:36.580 The Texas state representative seeking to become the first Democrat elected to the U.S. Senate in the Lone Star State since 1988.

00:04:44.880 We told you just earlier this week he's been leading in all the polls.

00:04:48.900 Ken Paxton is not a charismatic or particularly likable candidate.

00:04:54.000 He's been losing to Tallarico in the polls by 2.8 points in the Real Clear Politics average of polls.

00:05:03.380 So Paxton has been behind, consistently behind in this race.

00:05:07.520 And Calci currently gives Tallarico a 63% chance of winning.

00:05:12.480 That's as of an hour ago, 11 a.m. Eastern time.

00:05:17.020 However, there's been a twist in this case, and it is a potentially shocking one.

00:05:23.780 All right, let's just start with this.

00:05:25.880 Check out this clip of Tallarico from Saturday, September 26th.

00:05:31.500 Watch.

00:05:31.760 corrupt politicians are profiting off a corrupt war and texans are literally paying the price

00:05:40.040 ken paxton supports this disastrous war in iran that's driving up our costs today i am calling

00:05:47.200 on him to oppose this war and support my plan to suspend the federal gas tax and the federal

00:05:55.140 diesel tax so we can provide Texans some necessary relief. Suspend the federal gas tax,

00:06:02.720 suspend the federal diesel tax, and end this disastrous war so we can lower prices for Texans.

00:06:09.600 Okay, those are standard Democratic talking points. The real significance of that clip

00:06:14.180 is that was the last time Tallarico was spotted on the campaign trail in Texas, 13 days ago.

00:06:20.880 Now, we are in crunch time. Even President Trump is blanketing the country, getting out there

00:06:27.940 stumping for candidates. He is in one of the tightest and most important Senate races in the

00:06:33.420 country. The balance of power in the U.S. Senate very much hinges upon a few states, including,

00:06:40.240 absolutely including, Texas. How has he not been seen for 13 days? Something's wrong, very clearly.

00:06:50.880 His campaign tells CNN that on September 28th, two days after that soundbite, Tallarico did attend a fundraiser in New York City for himself and for Ohio Senate candidate Sherrod Brown, headlined by none other than Robert De Niro.

00:07:08.680 Another fundraiser was held for Tallarico in New York City the next day, but it does not appear he attended that event.

00:07:15.720 So that would make the last time anyone saw him potentially on the 28th.

00:07:23.720 Now, there was a brief sighting on the 30th.

00:07:26.440 Here's what happened.

00:07:27.540 He was supposed to go to a U.S. Hispanic Business Council event in Texas in person,

00:07:32.960 but he did not show up in Texas in person.

00:07:38.840 Keep in mind, he'd been in New York doing all these fundraisers.

00:07:41.740 Why are you in New York?

00:07:42.560 Paxson has been making a deal out of it.

00:07:44.980 Why isn't he in New York or why isn't he in Texas?

00:07:47.560 He's he's basically too busy in New York getting bought and paid for is what Paxton has been saying.

00:07:53.420 So this was the date he was supposed to show up in Texas and, you know, in person.

00:07:58.860 And instead, he appeared virtually and had this to say.

00:08:03.880 Thank you, Javier, for making this work.

00:08:06.880 I just wanted to first apologize to you and the U.S. Hispanic Business Council and your team and everyone there at UTRGV.

00:08:18.160 You can ask my team. My team is there on the ground.

00:08:22.160 They will tell you that I was looking forward to being down in the valley.

00:08:26.280 I've been talking about it all week.

00:08:27.880 I was ready to eat my favorite quesadilla tacos.

00:08:32.700 but I was starting to feel kind of under the weather a few days ago.

00:08:38.600 And last night it got so bad that I went to the urgent care here in Dallas

00:08:43.340 and I was diagnosed with the flu.

00:08:46.540 And so I'm running a fever and I'm my most contagious right now.

00:08:52.360 And I guess I've been shaking too many hands on the campaign trail.

00:08:57.040 And so I want to keep everybody safe.

00:08:59.560 And, you know, if something if I was passing on this illness to somebody and got someone's grandmother or someone's baby sick, I wouldn't live with couldn't live with myself.

00:09:11.400 I don't believe one word of that. He could live with himself just fine.

00:09:15.320 These people who are this close to seizing power will be stopped by nothing.

00:09:19.080 uh and speaking of nothing since that virtual appearance at the texas event we have had not

00:09:27.180 one word from james tallarico not a virtual event not a social media video nothing not even a proof

00:09:35.240 of life picture tallarico had a 59 chance to win the race according to calci uh one of our sponsors

00:09:42.760 back then so his odds have actually gone up since he was last seen in public that ought to tell you

00:09:48.420 something about his personality. And by the way, you can give our sponsor Kalshi a try by using

00:09:53.320 code Megan Kelly, or just click the link in our description. All new users get 25 bucks free when

00:09:59.680 they trade 25 bucks. I love Kalshi. It's actually super fun. Now, Tallarico has continued to post

00:10:07.180 on X, but of course the staffer could do that, including challenging Paxton to a one-on-one

00:10:12.020 debate, something he clearly feels comfortable doing because thus far, Paxton has refused

00:10:16.900 his requests for debates. Who is tweeting for Tallarico? He's been off the campaign trail

00:10:24.600 in the crunch period of the election for 13 days because of the flu. I mean, not for nothing,

00:10:31.020 but if you look it up online, what they say is the flu typically lasts five to seven days.

00:10:39.720 Full recovery can take one to two weeks, but that's from Harvard Health, five to seven.

00:10:46.500 He's been gone for 13, 13.

00:10:50.400 How is it that if you've got a candidate in this tight a race and for days now there has

00:10:56.260 been speculation and concern from his supporters about where the hell he is, you don't get

00:11:01.480 him back out here?

00:11:02.180 You're not contagious week two.

00:11:03.800 That's not the case.

00:11:04.960 You may just feel under the weather.

00:11:07.080 Why wouldn't there be a picture of him?

00:11:08.580 He actually fell ill another time and they put pictures out of him. Where's the picture? If he's in bed, really suffering, why wouldn't we document that with some sort of fun pic with like a bunch of balloons and campaign staffers showing his spirits are fine, but obviously had a physical setback? No.

00:11:28.420 Now, after everything exploded yesterday on this, now his campaign says, oh, expect him back on the trail this weekend.

00:11:39.900 But his next officially scheduled event is not actually until Wednesday of next week.

00:11:45.880 That's when CNN and Jubilee Media are set to host a town hall with him.

00:11:50.460 His nearly two-week absence has sparked many theories and speculation about what the hell is going on here.

00:11:57.380 Here's what President Trump said earlier this week.

00:12:00.020 He's a vegan. He wants to eat a piece of lettuce, a little piece of lettuce, please.

00:12:05.600 But he's been seen, you know, you haven't seen him in a couple of weeks.

00:12:08.560 I hear the guy's disappeared. Nobody knows. You know where he is?

00:12:11.300 He's sick because he's been forced to eat meat for political reasons.

00:12:15.700 And he's throwing up all over the place. He's sick.

00:12:21.740 OK, that's the president's humorous, humorous take.

00:12:24.800 this next person was not being funny she was reporting what she's hearing on the ground

00:12:33.160 this is unconfirmed but for awareness republican strategist caroline wren

00:12:40.880 raised eyebrows last night when she told steve bannon about what she's hearing yesterday i'm

00:12:47.980 just gonna say it i'm hearing that he checked himself into a mental institution institution

00:12:51.480 that he had a full-blown, like, mental breakdown sometime around, I guess, September 29th or

00:12:56.820 September 30th. They subsequently have canceled all events, all events in the state of Texas.

00:13:02.680 He has been nowhere. They're now, the campaign's now saying, oh, he might be feeling better in a

00:13:06.300 couple days. You might see him this weekend. So I, you know, I heard this from someone in Texas.

00:13:10.500 I have no idea what the truth is. I'm not an investigative reporter, but investigative

00:13:15.240 reporters, if you're listening, you should really be looking into this because there's,

00:13:18.640 uh, I've, I've had the flu many times. We've all had the flu. You are not out for 12 days. Like,

00:13:23.700 give me, give me a break. That's absolutely true. You are not out for 12 days. These are lies. This

00:13:30.400 is not flu. I don't believe that for one minute, 12 days at this point in the campaign, something

00:13:36.580 else is going on and shame on the press corps for not being all over this. Because if there's any

00:13:42.620 chance James Tallarico actually is in a mental institution, having suffered some sort of a break,

00:13:47.960 It will be the biggest political firestorm to break in years.

00:13:51.300 OK, so that would be a story that any honest reporter would be all over if this is their beat.

00:13:58.940 Now, there may be absolutely no truth to that, but either way, the heat must be turned up to an 11 on this campaign for as Paxton is now demanding proof of life.

00:14:10.860 Truly, we need proof of life. Where is he?

00:14:13.840 Let's see a photo with today's newspaper.

00:14:16.400 Let's see video. Let's hear him talk. Let's find out what facility he's in. Where? Where's he recovering from flu? Who can vouch for it? Is there a doctor involved? Let's hear from him.

00:14:28.300 Because if this guy had a mental breakdown weeks before the vote, the people of Texas deserve to know. The people of the United States deserve to know.

00:14:38.040 now back in 2019 he's a diabetic and that caught up to him as he was campaigning to become a state

00:14:45.480 representative and his campaign was quick to pump out pictures of him in bed smiling

00:14:50.700 they knew what to do he knew what to do to document a genuine illness where's that

00:14:59.720 why are we getting nothing i don't know if it's mental institution but is he someplace else is

00:15:08.000 out begging for money in states other than Texas, confirming the Paxton, you know, smears

00:15:15.140 on him, are they smears if they're true, about how he won't come to Texas and he's basically

00:15:20.340 getting bought and paid for state to state, who knows?

00:15:24.120 We deserve an explanation.

00:15:26.580 This morning, we emailed the campaign to ask if Tallarico had undergone any mental health

00:15:30.880 treatment while he's been away from campaigning.

00:15:33.060 So far, no response.

00:15:35.240 they're busy looking for their candidate. That's my own take on it. This is a story, folks. It's

00:15:42.400 not going away. He may come out this weekend. Ain't going to do it. And even if he does come

00:15:48.620 out this weekend, where was he? Where was he? The press corps better get off of its lazy, biased ass

00:15:59.640 and start knocking on the doors of every mental health facility in New York and Texas, first of 0.99

00:16:05.400 all, and on every staffer's door, getting them on the record. Let them lie to your face. Get it on

00:16:12.220 the record. Get a name from each one of them. Call the hospitals. See if you can find any

00:16:18.160 confirmation of any admission. And Democrat donor circles are not mysteries to reporters

00:16:25.420 covering candidates like Tallarico. Start kicking the tires. Is that what he's doing?

00:16:29.640 Let's find out one way or the other right now.

00:16:33.620 This is a scandal.

00:16:36.520 Moving on.

00:16:38.180 Last night was debate night in several states, and it was fascinating.

00:16:43.200 Unlike that lame Maine debate, there were some real mix-ups going on between the candidates last night.

00:16:48.240 My favorite was the New York State Attorney General debate, which I'll get to in a minute.

00:16:51.820 It's less consequential, however, because Tish James is leading this other rising star,

00:16:57.100 Comitoretti, by 13 points.

00:16:59.980 And New York State is not going to elect a Republican AG who clerked for Brett Kavanaugh.

00:17:04.960 It's not going to.

00:17:06.020 I'm sorry.

00:17:06.880 I wish I were wrong.

00:17:08.000 Desperately wish.

00:17:08.900 But this gal's a rising star. 1.00

00:17:10.920 She's got a future in Republican politics. 1.00

00:17:12.440 And Tish James looked flat-footed and kind of dumb and dishonest. 0.99

00:17:17.880 But what else is new? 0.98

00:17:18.700 in any event, it was entertaining, but it's not consequential, I fear. But Michigan was

00:17:25.100 interesting. I have thoughts on this whole thing. So we go into this Michigan debate between

00:17:33.020 El-Sayed and Mike Rogers, the Republican, with El-Sayed up. He's up and favored to win

00:17:42.900 in most polls. And Mike Rogers hasn't been doing that well in Michigan. Now,

00:17:49.320 that means that Mike Rogers needed to score knockout blows in this debate, right? He had

00:17:55.920 to be the clear winner. He had to basically take out El Syed. And there were a couple of exchanges 1.00

00:18:02.300 in which he did land blows and he got El Syed or the moderator did to make some startling

00:18:09.800 admissions. And here's my question today. While they would have been absolutely devastating

00:18:17.940 to El-Sayed, in my view, five years ago, 10 years ago, certainly, are they absolutely

00:18:25.160 devastating to him today? Because the issue they were really firing back and forth on

00:18:31.260 in some of these exchanges was Israel. And everyone knows how controversial that issue

00:18:37.680 has become, including in the state of Michigan. I mean, that's one of the reasons El-Sayed is 0.95

00:18:42.580 doing so well, is because he is very firmly against the United States getting involved in

00:18:48.600 any more of Israel's conflicts. And Mike Rogers is more your typical Republican neocon.

00:18:56.160 As you guys know, there's a large portion of the Republican base now that is not neocony and is

00:19:01.720 tired of foreign wars and really wants the president to be laser-like focused on domestic

00:19:06.840 issues, not Israel, not Iran, not the Middle East, and certainly not another war. But Mike Rogers

00:19:14.600 is more of the neocon traditional Republican cut. So these two square off. I mean, it's a great

00:19:22.080 issue to pit them against each other on. If I were the debate moderator, I would have done it too,

00:19:26.240 because the differences are vast. And while in some of these exchanges you can see, I see why

00:19:33.520 my Republican friends online are like, he's toast. El-Sayed is toast. I have to say, I don't 0.78

00:19:39.360 know whether that's true. I am really not sure whether the electorate in Michigan is going to

00:19:46.580 say, I will abandon him for that answer. Here's the one in particular, whether Iran or Israel

00:19:56.460 is more of a threat. Sat 9. I'm going to ask you again tonight, who do you think is a bigger threat 0.73

00:20:03.460 to the United States. Israel or Iran? You have 60 seconds. And again, Rick, I'm just going to say 0.94

00:20:07.940 that that's a ridiculous hypothetical, because here's what's happening right now. Our ostensible

00:20:13.100 ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to war with Iran. We have watched as Iran has responded by 0.54

00:20:21.440 bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East and then choking off the world's energy supply. 0.84

00:20:27.660 So this is a situation in which I don't think we should be apart. I'll ask one last time. Israel, 0.78

00:20:33.460 or iran that's a again a ridiculous question i think both of them have proven dangerous in their

00:20:38.880 own way so the many republicans more than neocon republicans in particular were all over that 0.53

00:20:46.500 exchange last night saying you've got to be kidding me you don't know whether iran or israel

00:20:50.480 is a greater threat and you know there's a long history of iran being antagonistic to put it

00:20:57.540 toward the United States, not Israel, which is an ally, but he's coming at it from a totally

00:21:03.820 different angle, saying basically Israel's the one that got us into this war, which has been

00:21:08.440 absolutely terrible for America. Iran didn't get us into the war. He doesn't believe the

00:21:13.900 nuclear weapons claim. Even President Trump admitted after he claimed otherwise that he

00:21:20.280 took care of that nuclear program in June of 2025. So if this is your issue, if Israel's the

00:21:28.640 thing that's going to drive you to go vote for a candidate and not for another in Michigan or 0.79

00:21:33.520 elsewhere, you have absolutely no problem with that answer, right? If that's the thing that's

00:21:38.360 at the top of your electoral issue heap, I don't think that's going to hurt him at all, at all.

00:21:45.820 He's been very clear that he's not really on the pro-Israel side.

00:21:50.880 And even before last night's debate, they were pulling aside Jewish voters in Michigan.

00:21:56.000 And a lot of them were saying, I'm a Democrat.

00:21:57.840 I want to vote for him, but I can't because of his stance on Israel.

00:22:02.220 So I think it's going to be fascinating to watch whether answers like that change the 0.87

00:22:07.180 trajectory of this race one way or the other, frankly.

00:22:10.300 Now, Mike Rogers was hammering him on his ties to radical Muslim groups. 0.91

00:22:20.300 And again, this would generally be something that would generate enthusiasm amongst the GOP base.

00:22:28.200 Now, Michigan, it's really not a red state, so I'm not exactly sure how much he can accomplish with that.

00:22:35.160 But it was the move to play.

00:22:38.180 I mean, I would have hit him, I think, a little bit more on his radicalism and social issues, too.

00:22:42.260 But, you know, because we're fighting for independence now.

00:22:46.160 In any event, he seemed to be throwing out a lot of fodder for the base, for the GOP base in Michigan, such as it is.

00:22:51.900 And he did score some points.

00:22:54.160 Again, I have the same question.

00:22:55.720 Are they the points you need?

00:22:57.760 Are they the points with the voters that you need to score?

00:23:02.500 Here is a back and forth on the Muslim Brotherhood, Saad 8.

00:23:06.800 This is the same IRGC that has killed American troops in Iraq.

00:23:12.740 It has blood on their hands, tried a terrorist attack here in the United States.

00:23:16.800 If you can't condemn the IRGC, you have no business in the United States Senate. 0.51

00:23:22.540 And if you think about why, you know, his supporters funnel money from a group that supports the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.55

00:23:32.000 This is a huge problem, and that is an ideological problem that we cannot allow to walk into the United States.

00:23:39.020 I will condemn any, any use of force against a domestic population abroad.

00:23:44.740 When you've got an international problem, he's got a war for that.

00:23:47.140 That's his approach.

00:23:47.780 He can't condemn a terrorist act that happened on our soil in the state of Michigan.

00:23:52.240 He can't bring himself to condemn.

00:23:53.840 I did condemn it, and you know it.

00:23:54.940 Oh, you did not.

00:23:55.920 You absolutely did not.

00:23:57.360 Don't make stuff up.

00:23:57.980 Don't make stuff up.

00:23:58.820 Talking about making stuff up.

00:24:00.120 I literally condemned it, and you know it.

00:24:01.500 can't condemn it. He can't condemn Hamas. He can't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.95

00:24:06.480 He says his home is Egypt. This is all starting by home. He does own a home in Florida. He took 0.99

00:24:11.220 it off the market. I don't know for why, but he did take it off as a home in the United Arab.

00:24:14.700 We're done. Staying in the Middle East, Congressman Rogers, you pledge.

00:24:20.500 That was one of the spiciest exchanges of the evening on the can he condemn the terror attack 0.94

00:24:26.160 on U.S. soil in Michigan question. 0.55

00:24:29.980 Okay, he eventually got around to kind of doing it,

00:24:33.520 but this is what he said after a March 2020,

00:24:36.920 El-Sayed, March 2026 terror attack in Michigan

00:24:39.860 in which a man rammed a truck loaded with fireworks

00:24:42.540 and gasoline into the daycare at Temple Israel.

00:24:45.640 None of the congregants was hurt, thank goodness.

00:24:48.820 El-Sayed initially, quoting here from the New York Post,

00:24:51.900 drew attention to the perpetrator appearing to be motivated

00:24:55.520 by an Israeli attack in Lebanon.

00:24:58.420 So he went right to the motivation of the terrorist.

00:25:02.380 There's a place for that, someplace in a discussion about terror. 0.97

00:25:08.180 It's down the list from, oh my God, I condemn this form of Islamic terror against Temple 0.68

00:25:15.920 Israel, the daycare, which he didn't get. 0.97

00:25:20.700 And not only that, he said, and I quote, hurt people hurt people.

00:25:25.520 Oh, my God. He's hurt people, hurt people. Hurt people, hurt people in response to a terror attack on Temple Israel and its daycare. Total fail. Now, he has been trying to make inroads with some Jewish voters in Michigan as of late.

00:25:42.480 you know, he doesn't want there to be any margin of error. He wants to win and he'd like it to be

00:25:48.820 clear. And some are migrating over just because you're Jewish doesn't mean you support Israel.

00:25:53.520 This has been a frustration amongst, you know, many who are Israeli supporters for a long time.

00:25:59.700 They think if you're Jewish, you should support Israel. A lot of, a lot really have a lot of

00:26:03.220 criticisms for Israel, especially its government, Netanyahu, et cetera. But hurt people hurt people

00:26:08.860 is what he said after that terror attack.

00:26:10.500 So that's what Rogers is hitting him for

00:26:12.460 and Rogers was right to do it. 0.98

00:26:15.000 El-Sayed did have the good line of,

00:26:18.660 if you've got an international problem, 0.77

00:26:20.180 he's got a war for that.

00:26:21.680 That's tapping into a war fatigue

00:26:24.540 that independents are feeling,

00:26:26.900 some Republicans are feeling

00:26:27.880 and Democrats are feeling.

00:26:29.100 So good line.

00:26:30.580 Then there was the back and forth at the end

00:26:32.060 about, oh, he's got a home in Florida.

00:26:34.480 He's got a home in the United Arab Emirates,

00:26:37.600 at least Florida's in the United States, which was clever. It was good by Mike Rogers. You got

00:26:42.840 to give him the points on that. As for ties to questionable groups, here's what the New York

00:26:49.000 Post responded, that El-Sayed's father-in-law and a donor had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood

00:26:59.120 and his birth mother, Faten El-Khami, did work for the Islamic American Relief Agency,

00:27:05.420 which the Treasury went after due to its support for Osama bin Laden.

00:27:10.620 So there are some questionable ties on the El-Sayed side

00:27:16.420 that I think most Republicans would not love.

00:27:21.220 But again, who are these comments for?

00:27:24.840 And is the base big enough in Michigan

00:27:26.620 that's thinking about sitting on the sidelines

00:27:29.240 or even possibly thinking about voting for El-Sayed over Israel

00:27:32.500 because they know Rogers is a neocon?

00:27:34.380 are these issues big enough to change their outlook? That's what we'll see in the polling

00:27:40.440 to come. I can't wait. I'm really looking forward to seeing their verdict. Here's something else

00:27:47.060 that's surfaced on El Sayed that's important and where, you know, what I think would shut a lot of

00:27:55.880 people down, which is something unearthed by libs of TikTok via its review of a 2024 podcast,

00:28:03.580 El-Sayed was on. Watch this, Sod 11. It's a must-read for public health professionals, 0.84

00:28:09.120 researchers, community activists, and advocates of women and birthing people.

00:28:13.320 Against the veto of its Republican governor, Ohio's Republican-dominated legislature has

00:28:17.260 moved to ban all gender-affirming surgeries and hormone therapies. It restricts gender-affirming

00:28:21.460 healthcare for transgender folks until they turn 18. It also bans trans girls and women from girls

00:28:26.420 and women's sports through college. So we discussed in a previous episode with Dr. Cullen Baker,

00:28:30.780 gender-affirming care that allows trans kids, their parents, and their healthcare providers

00:28:33.960 to make the best individual decision for them protects them from suicide. It saves lives.

00:28:39.160 Point blank.

00:28:40.100 Oh my God, these are lies. This is ridiculous. So this is who you're getting, okay? Like this 1.00

00:28:46.600 is who you're getting. You're really, I think the difference comes out, like you got to figure out

00:28:49.820 what your issues are. If, you know, our proximity to Israel, our, you know, just willingness to

00:28:57.280 fight israel's battles for it alongside it is your number one issue this is your guy but if you care 0.64

00:29:04.960 about things like somebody who thinks it's birthing peoples instead of moms it's probably a no

00:29:13.560 and not just that listen to him last night on immigration and illegal immigrants sat seven

00:29:22.120 also think we need a pathway to citizenship for folks who are stuck in limbo right now

00:29:26.060 you've got this tough guy attitude to immigration that's not keeping us safe in fact it's terrorizing

00:29:30.620 folks in our streets it's not funding the southern border which needs to be kept safe

00:29:34.820 but what it is doing it's weaponizing an agency of the government at the tune of donald trump and

00:29:39.980 his i mean we we tried that we've tried that in four years of joe biden with his open borders

00:29:48.920 this is okay this is what we're dealing with pathway to citizenship really

00:29:53.960 But again, who's it going to get off the couch? Probably Republicans. I don't know. Will it? Is that enough? Get me off the couch. But I'm a right-leaning independent.

00:30:08.220 He did say, when pressed by the moderator, if you had an illegal in jail in Michigan for murder and he was about to get out, would you cooperate with ICE in getting him deported?

00:30:21.360 And he did say yes.

00:30:23.460 So, thanks.

00:30:24.960 That's great.

00:30:25.780 So glad to hear that.

00:30:28.180 Okay, let me move on to quickly what happened in the New York Attorney General debate.

00:30:33.980 So this commenter ready, forgive me if I'm not pronouncing it correctly, but she's a star. She went to Harvard undergrad, Harvard Law School. She clerked for Brett Kavanaugh when he was still on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, very prestigious court, very prestigious clerkship.

00:30:53.700 She went down to the Eastern District of New York and became a prosecuting attorney, federal attorney there, and has been making a name for herself in Republican circles, and you can see why.

00:31:07.460 So here's now she said two sets of twins. So not only is she very accomplished lawyer, but she's got a lot going on at home, a lot of responsibilities.

00:31:17.060 And this was a very charming answer. Clever. And one get gets the sense honest, unlike the nightmare across from her, Tish James, who doesn't understand the meaning of that word here.

00:31:29.000 Take a listen to SOT 15. Miss James, what's the last book you read?

00:31:32.780 I'm currently reading Congress member Jamie Raskin's book, Unthinkable.

00:31:37.460 Little Blue Truck. Actually, the Spanish version, El Camioncito Azul. It's my two-year-old's

00:31:43.400 favorite book. Every parent can relate to that. When your kids are young, there's not a whole

00:31:50.180 lot of time for extra leisure reading, especially if you also work outside the home, right? And

00:31:56.640 this woman works hard outside the home and has very high stakes things going on in her life. 1.00

00:32:01.420 Little Blue Truck. Love this series. Who didn't? Love the answer, too. And I think that will 0.65

00:32:06.960 resonate with some moms, but New York hates Republicans. So not enough, probably. Then there

00:32:12.820 was this question. This is an interesting one. Let's just play SOT 16.

00:32:19.760 Miss James, name a past New York attorney general that you admire. 1.00

00:32:30.800 TikTok. 1.00

00:32:32.480 Only admires herself.

00:32:33.660 No, no, no, no. We admire others. I admire all of the past attorney generals because it's a

00:32:39.640 difficult job and you've got to spend it. Dennis Facko, at a time when New York State needed it,

00:32:45.320 we had another former federal prosecutor become attorney general and bring law and order to the

00:32:50.100 state. This woman is a badass. I love her. And Tish James, she had a Sarah Palin moment there. 1.00

00:32:57.760 That's what happened. She had a, remember Katie Couric? What newspapers do you read? 0.58

00:33:03.660 uh, all of them. And we all knew she was just like giving a filler answer. And that's exactly

00:33:11.140 what Tish James did right there. She didn't have any, she has no idea. She was like a blank on who

00:33:17.520 had held the job other than her because her opponent had it exactly right. She's obsessed 1.00

00:33:22.940 with herself. She's a narcissist. She only thinks about Tish James morning, noon, and night. 1.00

00:33:29.960 And that seemingly easy question caught her flat-footed, and her vanity was apparent. 0.77

00:33:36.960 And then her opponent there, comment already, shoved it down her throat.

00:33:41.240 That was also quite beautiful.

00:33:43.360 Then they got to the issue of Cornell and Tish James' extrajudicial statements,

00:33:51.000 calling Jane Doe a survivor, and she stands with her and all survivors.

00:33:55.020 What do you mean you stand with her?

00:33:56.780 Now you're going to be the prosecuting attorney

00:33:59.600 who decides whether criminal charges should be brought

00:34:02.360 or to push for them.

00:34:03.920 And you've already said you stand with her

00:34:06.300 and against them, what the F?

00:34:08.400 She was asked about it.

00:34:09.840 Good for them for asking her about it.

00:34:11.860 And here is how she defended it.

00:34:14.540 Remember last week she said,

00:34:16.440 or earlier this week, I think it was Monday,

00:34:17.980 she said, what day was it?

00:34:20.860 Whatever, it doesn't matter.

00:34:21.560 It was last Friday.

00:34:22.460 She said, I'm not gonna comment on Facebook

00:34:25.620 Booker and ExPost. It was her own. But here's how she handled it last night, Sot17.

00:34:30.840 You called the alleged victim a survivor. And you also said, quote, I stand with the victim.

00:34:36.980 Considering these comments, can the accused students have confidence that you haven't

00:34:42.480 prejudged the case? And as a law enforcement official, how can you make those comments based

00:34:48.220 only on allegations before conducting an investigation and seeing the evidence?

00:34:53.060 Those comments demonstrate empathy. And what we need now more than ever in our body politics

00:34:58.980 is more empathy. The governor of the great state of New York, Governor Kathy Hochul,

00:35:04.400 basically assigned me to analyze this case and to judge it and to do it without bias.

00:35:11.580 And she's requesting an unbiased investigation and a thorough investigation.

00:35:15.060 And we will do that based on the facts and based on the evidence.

00:35:19.260 empathy who with whom does the empathy fall that that there should have been a follow-up

00:35:25.880 why does Jane Doe get your empathy and there is none despair for the men who have been accused

00:35:32.400 possibly unfairly and untruthfully this is a complete dereliction of duty by a prosecutor

00:35:39.780 even Ellie Honig the CNN legal analyst straight shooter found the same in a compelling piece he

00:35:47.800 wrote that's available, I think, at MSNBC. So empathy for whom? That's not an appropriate

00:35:54.320 thing to bring to your commentary around a case like this, especially when we all know

00:36:00.600 she had been sniffing around it and almost certainly knew when she made these comments

00:36:05.220 three days before she was appointed that there was a chance she'd be getting the case.

00:36:10.060 So, no, you don't express empathy. Jane Doe may or may not be a victim. Jane Doe may or may not be a sexual assaulter.

00:36:22.380 Where's your empathy for defendant number one who may have been sexually molested while he was unconscious? 0.64

00:36:28.900 Tish James. She's always over her skis. She's always behaving inappropriately. 1.00

00:36:34.780 Half the shit she said about Trump when New York State went after his business for its alleged fraudulent dealings, which went so poorly for her, were completely inappropriate and unethical. 1.00

00:36:46.580 She was eyeballing his business down his building downtown. 1.00

00:36:49.560 She couldn't stop.

00:36:50.600 She was like doing a running clock ticker of the amount of interest she was running up on her that was running up on her verdict while he appealed it.

00:36:58.960 And the verdict was so backward that a New York appellate court, no friend of Donald Trump's, reversed it and reduced the judgment to zero.

00:37:09.620 It wasn't a win.

00:37:10.560 She stopped posting right around there. 1.00

00:37:13.800 This woman is a hack. 1.00

00:37:15.740 It's a disgrace. 1.00

00:37:16.420 She's our attorney general. 1.00

00:37:17.600 And God forbid that she become the governor, which is her next, I've got my eyes on it post.

00:37:27.500 Comageretti had thoughts.

00:37:28.960 on the coronel statements, and this is how she espoused them. Saw 18.

00:37:34.080 Sexual assault cases are some of the most serious cases that you can handle as a prosecutor,

00:37:38.440 and they require serious prosecutors. This requires professionalism, requires someone

00:37:43.620 who approaches the case with fairness, impartiality, and integrity. Tish James has

00:37:48.720 none of those things. She's never prosecuted a criminal case in her whole career. She's

00:37:54.100 certainly never prosecuted a sexual assault case, and she's already screwed this one up.

00:37:58.960 by prejudging it. Amen. Want to give a shout out to the moderator, Spectrum News anchor,

00:38:04.720 Susan Arbiter, who did a good job in raising that question with Tish James. Again, could

00:38:09.440 have used a follow up, but every second costs you your next question. So it's a tough call

00:38:13.980 in these debates on how hard to follow up. In any event, appreciated the question being

00:38:18.960 asked because it's been dominating the news and many other anchors would have ignored

00:38:23.000 it because Cornell 7 and it's falling along political lines and so on. Okay. I do want to

00:38:29.680 touch on news in that case, the Cornell case, and boy, has there been news overnight. Something

00:38:38.860 very disturbing has emerged, which is that Jane Doe made additional comments that completely give

00:38:45.900 up the game here. And what is disturbing in addition to just, you know, reading them and

00:38:52.040 understanding what she's putting these young men through, is that it appears to me the New York

00:38:56.860 Times had these messages in its possession and chose not to publish them. Now, it is possible

00:39:04.160 that whoever gave them or showed them the texts that they've been printing only showed them part

00:39:12.140 of the message that they printed, but I have a hard time believing that. I can believe they

00:39:18.620 didn't get additional text messages that have now hit via TMZ, but I have a really hard time

00:39:23.820 believing just half of an actual single text was sent to the New York Times and they ran with it.

00:39:31.500 I feel pretty certain that the New York Times editorial board would have said, or editor

00:39:36.440 and standards would have said, we need to see the whole text. We don't know what we're dealing with

00:39:41.820 here. We need to see the whole thing. And the whole text is very damning for Jane Doe. The

00:39:48.740 beginning part of the text was damning for Jane Doe, but the whole text is even worse. It hit the

00:39:56.020 news yesterday. If you were not online, I will tell you what it conveys. It is the more full

00:40:01.820 version of the text from Jane Doe to defendant number two, Jonathan Newell, dated October 21st,

00:40:08.940 2024, the alleged assault happened October 19th into 20th. We knew from this text earlier

00:40:15.060 that Jane Doe had said, at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. And honestly,

00:40:22.540 I really liked being with you and Matt. Okay. We knew that she had said that, but there's a lot

00:40:29.840 more in this text. And I'll just start with the most compelling and damning. I don't think

00:40:35.600 we should feel any shame for the part. I think she means the sex part, but it doesn't matter.

00:40:42.420 I don't think we should feel any shame, comma, our body, our choice, A as F, which in slang 0.99

00:40:50.240 stands for as fuck. I don't think we should feel any shame, our body, our choice. Her case is over. 0.99

00:40:58.580 it's over. In addition to all the other texts that are out there, rumor going around that I'm

00:41:06.120 a slut, unfortunately it's true. Nothing illegal happened, which is in this particular text as I 0.90

00:41:11.800 pointed out. I love you. We pointed this out that she said this to Matt, defendant number one. Well,

00:41:21.720 guess what? She says it to this defendant too, this defendant, John Newell. That's in another

00:41:29.020 text. Well, it's in the bottom half of this same text. So she says, I'm going to read you the whole

00:41:34.860 thing now, okay? Stand by. He writes to her and says, this is Jonathan. I wanted to apologize

00:41:41.820 for how things went down the other night. My memory's kind of fuzzy about a lot of it, but

00:41:45.200 me and Matt both feel like shits for being too fucked up to shut it down and kick people out 0.99

00:41:50.980 before it got way out of hand. 1.00

00:41:52.540 You're an amazing person.

00:41:53.460 I genuinely hope you're not catching

00:41:54.720 as much heat from this as we are.

00:41:56.400 We've been shutting down any stories we've heard,

00:41:58.400 but again, I'm so, so sorry.

00:41:59.520 She responds on Monday, December 21st.

00:42:03.520 Aw, Jonathan, I really appreciate this text.

00:42:06.100 My memory's super clouded too. 0.83

00:42:08.300 I think we were all way too fucking drunk and high.

00:42:13.500 So, okay, so here she is acknowledging that he too, 0.95

00:42:16.640 And the boys too, men, were way too drunk and high.

00:42:22.020 Not just her, them too.

00:42:24.260 I'm getting a little heat.

00:42:25.740 Pi-fi girls, and then she appears to name them, their names are blacked out, 0.99

00:42:29.060 can't get my name out of their mouth. 1.00

00:42:31.380 But that's to be expected.

00:42:32.940 But at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal.

00:42:36.420 And honestly, I really like being with you and Matt.

00:42:38.940 So anything anyone has to say about the gang bang is out of their jurisdiction.

00:42:44.140 I don't think we should feel any shame for the part, period, our body, our choice, A-S-F.

00:42:52.880 She calls it a gangbang.

00:42:55.380 She's trying to make him feel better about it.

00:42:57.700 She's acknowledging that the guys were out of their mind, hammered, as she claims here, was she.

00:43:03.920 She says we shouldn't feel any shame around this, our body, our choice.

00:43:12.620 The message goes on.

00:43:14.140 Again, none of this appeared in the New York Times after the nothing was illegal.

00:43:20.760 That piece about I really liked being with you and Matt.

00:43:24.380 And at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal.

00:43:27.480 Kate goes on.

00:43:28.160 Also, yes, while it may have been nice for like only four people to have been around,

00:43:32.520 y'all were both super out of it.

00:43:34.760 And they should have taken it on themselves to leave.

00:43:37.880 At the end of the day, you, Matt, and I were in your bed,

00:43:41.880 and they didn't need to get up in that.

00:43:44.140 But if you have any regrets or anything you want to talk about, I'm always here to talk

00:43:49.660 about it because that was a lot.

00:43:51.900 I really do love you and Matt, and I promise I won't get quiet and weird with you like

00:43:59.000 I did last time.

00:44:01.980 I don't know what that is.

00:44:04.000 What's that a reference to last time?

00:44:05.840 Last time they were together?

00:44:07.060 I have no idea if there's a history between this gal and John Newell or not.

00:44:10.460 We knew there was one between her and the defendant number one, Matt Ingalls.

00:44:14.140 But here she is acknowledging again, you were both super out of it.

00:44:19.360 If you have any regrets or anything you want to talk about, I'm here.

00:44:23.320 She's telling her, I can be your comfort blanket on like, if you're regretting it, I got you.

00:44:28.380 Come call me and then finishes it up again to her alleged gang rapist, who she refers to a gang banger in here, a gang bang, not a rape, and tells him, I love you.

00:44:40.660 I really do love you and Matt.

00:44:42.680 I really do love you. And there's a separate message in which she tells Matt she loves him.

00:44:48.320 I mean, this is really crazy. Then there are highlights reported via CBS News from her

00:44:57.160 voluntary statement to police. And these two, I mean, are just very telling. The first and foremost

00:45:04.260 is she reiterates that she was excited about her initial threesome with Matt and John.

00:45:12.260 That's her word. It's in quotes. I remember being excited. I remember being excited.

00:45:18.680 And then she goes on to say that thing that we talked about wanting to have a threesome meant

00:45:22.280 that they were gay, which would have meant that they were part of my community as I am bisexual.

00:45:26.880 Okay, whatever. She does in this statement to the police tell them that she had been drinking

00:45:32.880 Tito's vodka, had consumed approximately six shots before someone took the bottle from her.

00:45:38.380 She claims to have consumed several sips from another sorority sister's mixed drinks, and that when she went to a bar, she claims she got a sex on the beach mixed drink.

00:45:49.140 The bar has denied that, but that's her claim.

00:45:52.220 So we're seeing where she got drunk.

00:45:54.440 None of that is suggesting that somebody else got her drunk.

00:45:58.240 She made the choices.

00:45:59.680 That's what's damning to her sexual assault claims. 0.89

00:46:02.880 The criminal ones, potentially not the civil, though it should be civil too. 0.99

00:46:07.160 in any event. Then she says, she's talking about the moment she was hit by defendant number two.

00:46:12.620 I began to feel blank hit me many times on my butt. I remember that they were hurting me, 0.95

00:46:16.780 and one in particular sent a sharp pain through me many times on my butt. I remember that the 0.86

00:46:21.120 hits were hurting me, blah, blah, blah. Okay, same thing. And I said, damn, one sent a sharp

00:46:26.460 pain through me, which caused me to turn around and say, damn. Now, this is unpleasant, and I 0.99

00:46:31.340 understand the discomfort. However, the ability to remember these things in intimate detail is

00:46:36.340 just fatal to her claim. She is not physically incapacitated. That's the legal standard.

00:46:41.960 If she can prove she was physically helpless, they can bring charges. Her recitation from the

00:46:48.300 beginning to now proves anything but. Proves she remembers everything in great detail. On some

00:46:54.760 things she may be fuzzy, but overall she can remember the play-by-play and told it to police,

00:46:59.060 like in this moment. She went on, I remember someone brings up the scars I have on my legs

00:47:07.400 from self-inflicted cutting that I had done in August of this year. Hearing that my scars were

00:47:12.720 brought up, but that none of them cared to ask about them made me feel super isolated and that

00:47:17.340 I didn't matter as a person to these men. Well, that's interesting because you told them days

00:47:21.660 after that you loved them and that you were eager to see them again at the Chi-Fi Halloween party.

00:47:27.920 but now they've disinvited her and here she is days later in with the police saying, oh, I felt

00:47:33.660 like I wasn't a person to them. Weird. She admits in this document that she flexed. Remember we

00:47:39.540 talked about her getting out and making the muscle poses. She said it was because she was angry with

00:47:43.980 one of these men and so I stood up and began flexing toward him while telling him that I

00:47:48.260 would mess him up. And then here is very interesting about Lopes. Lopes, of course, we had Lopes

00:47:54.640 lawyer on the show um 10 days ago or so and lopes's lawyer this was the guy she had the first

00:48:00.560 threesome with the two guys and lopes joined defendant number two on the second threesome

00:48:06.140 uh this is what she says first she says that um all of the men came in and they were talking

00:48:14.420 about how pretty i was which was very confusing because although it was very nice to hear

00:48:17.640 i was still very uncomfortable with the situation again this is to the cops shortly after that i

00:48:23.020 believe it was blank who asked if they could all do drugs off of my perfect body. Seeing as I was

00:48:27.700 already laying down and feeling extremely tired, I told him, sure. So just in case there's any

00:48:33.560 question about consent on the snorting of the ketamine off of her body, her recitation to the

00:48:38.260 cops was, I told them, sure, in quotes, sure. Again, the only way that consent is vitiated

00:48:45.220 is if she had crossed over to physical helplessness, which she does not allege.

00:48:49.600 she goes on about lopes shortly after the men were doing drugs off my body blank and blank

00:48:55.360 entered the room and said something like okay we're shutting down whatever the f this is i found

00:48:59.240 that strange because blank i think she means lopes here was acting as if he hadn't just been

00:49:05.120 in the room with me earlier in the night i think i even said something like wait didn't this guy 0.98

00:49:09.520 fuck me this is not didn't he just rape me didn't he just attack me she's amused that he's now 0.99

00:49:17.820 trying to, there's been testimonial elsewhere that Lopes was one of the two who went in and 1.00

00:49:21.860 tried to shut it down. Then she goes on, well, one final point. A reporter for CBS New York,

00:49:32.940 Masha Saidi, she reports, she posted a video, which then she took down, of Lopes's Title IX

00:49:40.820 interview, but we got a verbatim of it before she took it down. He said he had a pretty solid

00:49:47.460 recollection of the night and said that Jane Doe told him, quote, you have no idea how much I wanted

00:49:53.600 to do this with you, end quote. He says that surprised him because he, quote, hadn't really

00:49:58.560 thought about that. He told investigators that Jane Doe initiated sexual relations at that point.

00:50:04.760 He saw no sign she was under the influence. He described her as actively participating.

00:50:10.200 He said when they stopped, they, quote, collectively decided to stop. So that's that.

00:50:16.800 She called it a gangbang.

00:50:18.480 She told two of her alleged rapists that she loved them.

00:50:22.900 And she said, we should have no shame.

00:50:27.680 We should not feel any shame.

00:50:30.120 Our body, our choice.

00:50:32.680 This case is over or should be.

00:50:35.440 Up next, Ari Emanuel.

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00:53:08.600 My next guest is one of Hollywood's most powerful agents.

00:53:11.980 I think he's the most powerful agent

00:53:13.760 who has represented some of the biggest names

00:53:16.260 in entertainment from Oprah to Mark Wahlberg

00:53:19.740 and even Donald Trump.

00:53:21.360 I've even got my own personal story with Ari,

00:53:23.800 which we will get to,

00:53:24.720 but he is also the inspiration behind the character

00:53:27.760 Ari Gold on HBO's hit series Entourage.

00:53:32.080 Now Ari Emanuel is telling his story in his own words

00:53:35.800 from his humble beginnings in the mail room

00:53:38.180 at CAA to building an entertainment empire, now as the executive chair and CEO of TKO,

00:53:46.100 and all the deals and power plays along the way, and he's naming names. He lays it all out in his

00:53:51.920 new book. It's a memoir called Roll the Calls Out This Month. Ari, great to see you. Congrats

00:53:58.940 on the book. Thank you so much. How are you doing? Long time no talk. I know. I'm doing great. All is

00:54:04.660 well. And, uh, I'm thrilled you wrote this book cause I learned so much about you that I did not

00:54:09.300 know. Let me tell you something funny just to kick it off. When, um, you were rolling the calls my

00:54:15.140 way years ago and seeking to have a relationship professionally, I called some of your clients

00:54:22.040 to see what's it like to have Ari represent you. And one who I won't name him just cause I don't

00:54:27.280 have his permission, but he loved you. Absolutely loved you. And I said, what, what, what would

00:54:32.680 happened if you needed to break up with Ari? And this is like a grizzled newsman. And he said,

00:54:37.800 oh, I don't like to even think about that.

00:54:42.220 But he didn't break up with me, right?

00:54:45.820 No, he didn't. He's still with you. And they all loved you. So you are irascible and rageful

00:54:52.920 to outsiders, but to your clients, you would take a bullet for them and you've proven that.

00:54:59.940 Hopefully friends, hopefully they get it in the book, uh, clients, uh, family members.

00:55:07.500 Um, and, and I hope in the book, I re I realized over time you have to be a ride or die guy

00:55:12.820 for yourself.

00:55:14.380 And, um, I hope that comes across, uh, in the book and you have to take agency for yourself.

00:55:20.760 And, um, I, I, I do believe my clients feel that way.

00:55:24.500 I feel that way towards them.

00:55:26.080 So that's, that's the way I like, that's the way I like to roll.

00:55:30.420 Both in the references I received about you

00:55:32.680 and in just reading the book,

00:55:33.860 which was a pleasure and it was a fun ride.

00:55:36.180 I didn't get to sign you.

00:55:37.320 I know.

00:55:38.340 Well, here's what happened.

00:55:39.480 I mean, so you gave me,

00:55:40.520 you rolled the calls my way

00:55:41.520 and I got a million phone calls from Ari Emanuel.

00:55:43.600 You just got like nonstop

00:55:44.840 and you write about how you do that in the book.

00:55:47.040 And most people just give up in the end to say,

00:55:48.940 okay, like Larry David.

00:55:50.360 All right, if you stop calling me,

00:55:51.900 I'll sign with you.

00:55:54.180 But in my case,

00:55:55.260 I had been getting sort of solicited

00:55:57.480 by a CAA agent for many years at that point.

00:56:01.360 And he was trying to close the deal.

00:56:02.820 So I felt some loyalty to him.

00:56:04.700 So I wound up going with him.

00:56:06.160 And I don't mind telling you

00:56:07.380 that was a disaster in the end.

00:56:09.460 I was completely abandoned by CAA 0.99

00:56:11.780 when the shit hit the fan for me at NBC. 0.99

00:56:14.520 And when I was in the middle 0.99

00:56:16.580 of the biggest challenge of my career

00:56:18.600 and being called a racist

00:56:19.580 in every newspaper in America

00:56:20.800 for saying something that was true,

00:56:22.340 which is blackface was treated differently

00:56:24.400 in the seventies than it is today. 0.99

00:56:25.900 they sent me flowers Ari the flowers they sent me flowers I did not need flowers I needed a killer 1.00

00:56:33.960 to go in there and rattle cages at NBC and call them out on their bullshit in any event I did 0.92

00:56:41.140 wind up with a great lawyer as a result of it all who did who did become that guy I think I could

00:56:45.520 use you the day um you want somebody that can engage in a conversation with you you guys make

00:56:53.480 a decision whatever it is you get tough situations and i had one with michael moore i've had many with

00:57:00.260 a lot of clients and all you want to know is that when you put your head on that pillow at night and

00:57:05.620 when you wake up that partner business partner um has your back in very tough times um has a

00:57:14.800 creative point of view of how to handle it and will go fight the fight they might disagree with

00:57:19.980 you it's okay i disagree on projects all the time but if we've made a commitment unless you've done

00:57:27.800 something so horrific or he's done something the representatives that you know you guys are in

00:57:31.820 business together and you've made a you know kind of an agreement and so um i think that's what i

00:57:38.280 hopefully as a good parent meaning somebody that started a company i've taught the people here

00:57:42.600 and that's what people want in life it's okay to have the discussion the at my table at home with

00:57:48.540 my parents and my brothers it was a very heated conversation constantly about politics every night

00:57:55.360 but we love each other and we fight for each other and we got our each other's backs and that's what

00:58:02.140 you want in life so i think hopefully the audience knows this but um you're the youngest brother uh

00:58:08.540 your your two big brothers are ram emmanuel who's been on this show and zeke emmanuel who's been on

00:58:14.420 my show at Fox many times during one of the architects of Obamacare and a very accomplished

00:58:18.840 doctor. And of course, everybody knows Rahm Emanuel was Obama's chief of staff and the mayor

00:58:23.080 of Chicago and ambassador to Japan. And then came you and you're very open in the book about

00:58:28.760 how you thought, okay, well, I guess Zeke's the smart one, Rahm's the cunning one,

00:58:35.140 and I'm just the last one. And you didn't have like all this swagger and confidence growing up

00:58:40.240 Because you had very bad dyslexia and ADHD, but you've come to a place, talk about it, where you've realized now that that was actually critical to your success.

00:58:49.500 Well, one of the things, you know, my mom would put our grades on the refrigerator when we walked in.

00:58:59.020 And, you know, Zeke was, Zeke, I mean, he's like one of the smartest guys, graduated, top of class.

00:59:07.220 And Ram was accomplished also. 0.98

00:59:09.840 and i had dyslexia that and what i learned over time is dyslexia doesn't mean that you're stupid 0.95

00:59:15.020 you just you you organize words and letters and sounds differently in the in the left part of 0.91

00:59:20.820 your brain from this woman sally shawitz at yale who was an expert in um in dyslexia but you know

00:59:28.440 being a family that reading education was so important and having adhd was very hard for me

00:59:34.320 um and my mom never gave up she had my back and she made sure that i was going to read

00:59:41.240 even though there was a lot of people thinking that that wasn't going to happen and she does

00:59:47.220 she did then what this program i sent my kids to linda mubell did for my kids she did it for me

00:59:53.480 and found out how to get me to read and it was this this book is about realizing for me you know

01:00:02.980 that rage was about getting to my identity because they had identity and i felt whether

01:00:09.440 that be true and i was telling myself a story that you know to prove that i wasn't dumb even

01:00:16.820 though i was scared a lot that people were going to find out that i was dumb because of how i was

01:00:21.660 brought up and to find out my identity and i hope this helps parents that have kids that are

01:00:27.660 dyslexic if you watch your kids struggle but you let them struggle they get emotional endurance

01:00:35.320 which can serve them throughout their life which is i think not to generalize something we need for

01:00:41.800 our our our generations coming up and for kids dyslexia now for me has been a blessing even

01:00:52.480 though i would have cut off my arm before to learn how to read because it makes you a free thinker

01:00:56.880 And that has helped me in business and and also trusting people to be in business with.

01:01:01.840 And that has been incredible for me.

01:01:05.740 Now, where the first word of the book is rage, some of your clients or at least one of your clients calls you his reagent.

01:01:13.000 And the stories are amazing about the rage coming through to people who could really hurt you in Hollywood.

01:01:21.020 You just it's like you did not care as you were coming up the ranks.

01:01:25.100 It's one thing to be rageful now. You're you're super powerful. Nobody can really hurt you.

01:01:28.880 But even when you had no power, you were showing it. So let's just start with where did that come from?

01:01:35.700 Let me just say the following. I think Cormac McCarthy said at one point.

01:01:40.400 Rage is only for what you believe can be fixed. The rest is grief.

01:01:46.220 And when we started the business of Endeavor, there was four big agencies.

01:01:52.000 you couldn't compete on economics so we all charged the same and a lot of people thought

01:01:59.000 they could push us around i only had plan a and i and i also was brought up uh for my mother it's

01:02:09.500 okay to demonstrate it's okay to fight back against people above you if you thought your

01:02:15.340 opinions or your you had a point of view that you could defend that and that was okay

01:02:20.420 again as i said before in my family we we argued all the time so what i considered a normal

01:02:27.900 situation people thought was rageful and i i understand i do understand but i wasn't going

01:02:34.020 to let anybody when we were coming up whether it be another agency producers studio heads

01:02:39.740 try and take advantage of us and yeah i mean i was ready to go to battle with anybody and everybody

01:02:46.820 I was a wrestler when I was in high school. So it seems like I was wrestling. I was on the mat with everybody constantly. And for me, that's what it took. And so you write in the book, wrestling without rage is cuddling.

01:03:01.560 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:03.040 So you managed to get a job.

01:03:05.820 So you're a scrappy kid from the Chicago area, Wilmette.

01:03:09.020 And you decide, let's see, maybe I'll go be a Hollywood agent.

01:03:13.360 So you move out to Hollywood.

01:03:14.780 You get a job in the mailroom.

01:03:16.280 First, you work for this other guy who really made an impression on you

01:03:18.540 on how to be a great agent and be listening on all the phone calls.

01:03:21.580 And then you wind up going to the mailroom of CAA,

01:03:23.720 where they tell you you're too old because you're 26.

01:03:26.000 Everybody here is 21.

01:03:27.020 You say, I'm getting this job.

01:03:28.760 So you do the Ari Emanuel on them.

01:03:31.020 like oh no i will be working in your mailroom and you do you do work in their mailroom then you work

01:03:36.440 your way up to like a junior agent but you're making a name and you're getting clients and

01:03:40.760 you're kind of a rising star and a group of guys decides to leave caa to go do something else like

01:03:46.220 just they're done with the caa situation which is run by the god of agents at the time agencies

01:03:51.300 okay so but caa is run by the god of all agents at the time michael ovitz and you you say i got

01:03:58.820 to go in there and I'm going to resign to his face. Long story short, he, you revealed the

01:04:04.040 truth to a guy you thought was an ally who wasn't, who ratted you out to Ovid. So he knew you were

01:04:09.860 coming when you walked in. And could you please tell the story of what happened in that room?

01:04:15.200 Well, the guy was an assistant and we had been playing basketball, very friends. He had gone to

01:04:21.560 Northwestern and I tell him like, Hey, you're my friend. I'm telling you what I'm doing. No harm,

01:04:27.420 no file i'm not going to tell anybody that i told you the night before he the day before he rats me

01:04:32.960 out and then he lets me know he rats me out i go into michael witz's office and i say and he says

01:04:38.720 you can't see me and i said well i'll be back and you'll deal with me then i come back about 10

01:04:43.360 minutes later and mike is in the room with this guy by the name of lee gabler and uh mr office

01:04:52.180 manager um as he was referred to in the book and mike who is on mount rushmore of talent agents

01:05:00.360 with lou wasserman you know goes into his appropriate you know conversation that he's

01:05:09.380 gonna ruin me and my career is gonna be over and you know you're making a big mistake and

01:05:14.540 i'm gonna take you down and i had no move like what are you supposed to say to the most powerful

01:05:20.400 guy in hollywood and an incredible agent and businessman i didn't know what to do so i just

01:05:29.180 stand up pissed off there's a the back of the chair has a hole and i just pick it up

01:05:35.780 and i go are you threatening me as if like okay if you're threatening me this thing's 0.53

01:05:41.700 coming off the hand and i think it was like a shock that yes you know something like

01:05:50.020 i'm a little crazy and uh maybe a little bit more than a little and um yeah it was like before i

01:05:58.640 mean i was working at icm later in my career and uh this also famous incredible agent sam cone

01:06:07.860 wouldn't return my call and i worked at the same company and i was dealing with something

01:06:11.940 he wouldn't return my call for like three weeks and i finally told my office i got in at six

01:06:19.120 call sam cone nine o'clock on the east coast he that's where he worked and i i told him don't get

01:06:25.320 off the phone until this guy gets on the line just don't get off the phone he finally picks up and i 0.70

01:06:31.220 now i'm i'm i'm a pimple on the ass of an ant at this point i'm nobody in the business i had good 0.70

01:06:36.360 clients but like this is sam cone one of the greats and i just he runs the company i'm like 1.00

01:06:43.260 his employee i lay into him that he's a horrible boss he's a piece of shit i don't even know why 0.99

01:06:51.560 i mean i'm just an idiot but you know it is what it is it's kind of with all the craziness of this 1.00

01:07:00.180 book and all the heartbreak and the physically deterioration at times and at the end it turned 0.90

01:07:07.940 out to be a nice book. Oh, well, I mean, you're such a complex character because you've got the

01:07:13.760 rage, the reagent piece of it down. And there's plenty of stories in the book. Again, it's called

01:07:18.420 Roll the Calls about that. But then there's also this softer side, the guy who gets up,

01:07:23.440 and you told me this when we were talking years ago, the guy who gets up and meditates for 20

01:07:28.180 minutes a day. You do the sauna. You talk about your Dr. Calm, the psychiatrist that you've been

01:07:35.640 seeing for many years to try to like manage your feelings. So you're not all sharp elbows. You are

01:07:41.900 aware that this, the rage may not be absolutely wonderful for your mental health at all times.

01:07:48.520 And it's possible you should explore it. You don't want to lose it, but you're, you're attuned

01:07:53.580 to sort of the mental health piece in a way that people might find surprising. So has Dr. Calm

01:07:59.060 helped you? Well, I think Dr. Calm got me on this whole kick about the, he called it the ego

01:08:04.460 project it worked and i was working on it with him um other which i talk about in the book other

01:08:14.860 i then went to india and met with people there to try and kind of deal with it and realize that

01:08:21.740 if we wanted to really get to a better place at the company and me as a leader

01:08:26.860 that rage and aggression were not going to enable us to get even farther

01:08:31.420 cut to um i also then did some hallucinogenics to also help which i think helped a lot

01:08:40.140 and i mean i think probably if you talk to the people at the agency of the new company i started

01:08:46.360 tko they would say there's like a ridiculous still amount of rage that being said i do know

01:08:54.300 when i'm on the field and working and my beautiful new wife uh sarah stoutinger stod and i do know

01:09:02.740 when i'm off the field and she tries to not that that's a lot she would like it to be more um that

01:09:09.400 that balance has helped me when i'm on the field to really go for it and it's it's made it better

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01:09:27.880 a fashion designer whose brand Stott is amazing by the way I absolutely love this brand I wear

01:09:33.140 all the time um did not did not realize until uh now that that she was your wife but amazing um

01:09:39.480 so you one of the surprising things to me in the book was your best friend is a guy who may be

01:09:46.660 familiar to our audience, or at least he's been the best friend for a large part of your adult

01:09:50.860 years. Peter Berg. Yeah. You talk about this guy, Pete. Yeah. And it turns out to be Peter Berg,

01:09:56.260 who our audience may know as the man behind Friday Night Lights, the man behind Lone Survivor,

01:10:04.180 an incredibly talented director. He's got a new movie out coming out in about a month and a half.

01:10:10.080 it's called mosquito what is it so the guy that wrote military related yeah the guy that wrote

01:10:17.500 friday night nights buzz bissinger wrote mosquito bowl yep i know brian grazier and actually my son

01:10:24.560 ezra produced it pete wrote and directed it and it's about what happened in world war ii

01:10:30.800 at okinawa and japan and these kids that were you know kind of college superstar football players

01:10:41.760 go there and what happens to them and i think it's one of the great war movie anti-war movies

01:10:52.100 and pete berg i think this is his greatest movie he has ever made um very timely and it's very

01:10:59.040 it is upsetting emotional he this is his best movie mosquito ball the um we know marcus luttrell

01:11:10.100 and i love marcus luttrell and of course lone survivor is his story among others

01:11:15.000 and we asked him about peterberg and he was a big fan and his brother too so i it's funny like the

01:11:20.360 the connections you make and who who makes a difference in your life but i love that you

01:11:24.580 guys have this lifelong we weren't we were in college together yeah he was on your couch or

01:11:30.160 you're on his and he he married us um before we went to our um we went to santa rope and larry

01:11:38.960 david then did the ceremony but he first married us earlier and um i'm a ride or die guy with pete

01:11:46.660 bark i love that i see he seems like such a good guy so i was thrilled to see the the acquaintance

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01:15:16.000 Hey, everyone. It's me, Megan Kelly.

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01:15:45.680 now you do not have this charitable loving heart toward everyone in Hollywood

01:15:55.360 can we talk about Jeffrey Katzenberg because I'll tell you something about Jeffrey Katzenberg

01:16:03.020 to kick it off I met him in Hollywood back in 2015-16 and he told me personally I will make

01:16:09.960 sure hillary clinton wins i will personally i will donate whatever it takes to get her across

01:16:17.040 the finish line and we all know how that worked out and i know you've had your own dealings with

01:16:22.600 him could you could you give us your opinion here's my opinion i hope and i'm probably not

01:16:28.560 true but i hope in most of my career um with my incidents i don't punch down when we started the

01:16:39.420 company um there's a story about what happened with the lakers and what he tried to do

01:16:46.780 there's he stole your ticket yeah tried to he tried to there's a story about how people in

01:16:54.300 hollywood make money back then was tv packages and my partner david greenblatt at the time put

01:17:01.200 a package together when we were just endeavor there was five or six of us um and sold it to

01:17:06.800 dreamworks and and jeffrey they wouldn't pay our package which is economically when you're starting

01:17:13.100 out like a lifeblood for a lot of what we we do in hollywood writers guild um got rid of them but

01:17:21.920 that's a different story and throughout i mean i just it's very hard and maybe people won't say it

01:17:29.980 how they feel about jeffrey i don't mind saying it because i think my story is probably if you

01:17:35.880 kind of pull the courtroom back a lot of people feel this way but at the end of the day the worst

01:17:40.820 thing for me is i came out and my brother worked for obama i don't want to get into politics but

01:17:48.480 you know biden was there he got elected and we were all seeing what we you know our lying eyes

01:17:55.040 our eyes were not lying like ruth bader biden i said it a year beforehand and jeffrey was raising

01:18:01.800 money for him saying exactly what he he said about hillary about biden and he was doing everything

01:18:07.480 he could and he said to me you know do you want a meeting with him you know i was uh you know i

01:18:14.000 give i'm a democrat or you want to give a million dollars and i said and i'll set up a meeting i

01:18:19.920 said do you think i need through you so you get credit how to meet president biden i said my

01:18:26.540 brother worked in the white house i mean i could have gotten to i could at a million dollars anybody

01:18:31.060 could get me a meeting i don't need you to do it and take credit yeah and i was screaming at him

01:18:36.260 about karen bass too and um after the election and he then when we all realized this is not going

01:18:44.500 well this is bad he was saying that he had his ear and could do everything he then did nothing

01:18:51.000 happened he couldn't get him out didn't didn't get him out and couldn't couldn't get him on the phone

01:18:57.680 or whatever the reasoning was and then afterwards he was like election was over

01:19:04.300 and he washed his hand of the situation so i realized and i probably realized it but

01:19:11.740 it came like he does things mainly one he punches down two

01:19:17.580 he does stuff not for the reason but for how it reflects on him not for me do you think

01:19:27.360 there was someone more responsible for trying to cover up joe biden's mental infirmities

01:19:33.400 outside of washington dc than katzenberg i think there was a lot of people trying to do it but

01:19:38.060 you know i don't know i i just know he kept on saying that he could get me in a room and he had

01:19:43.080 his ear and he was working on stuff and i mean i think you realize this in the book i'm a guy that

01:19:50.080 is not afraid to express his opinion to people and if something's going wrong at least have the

01:19:57.640 conversation and if you're representing something over here that you can do and that's why you're

01:20:04.180 raising money and you have this that and the other thing when it comes time to you know sit on that

01:20:10.100 wall you know jack nicholson you know you need me on that wall you want me on that wall

01:20:14.440 get on the wall and do your job don't it don't when you were reportedly behind the scenes saying

01:20:20.940 for months before biden was bounced out like get someone else anyone get get someone else in there

01:20:28.520 i do this conference in september called the weekend and um ron clane was on stage my brother

01:20:36.760 screamed at me and this is way before and i just said you know we do not need ruth bader biden

01:20:42.380 and he and i got in a terse conversation and um i was screaming from the top of my lungs you know

01:20:50.560 this can't be good you know who you like this time around well i don't know i think it's uh

01:20:57.260 i think my brother ram said it he was very funny about it you know it's gonna be 31 flavors

01:21:03.160 and um who knows i don't know i he's one of them well i listen i am praying my brother is one of

01:21:11.820 I don't think. Whether it be him in the Clinton administration and what he did trying to get peace with Arafat, whether it be in the Biden administration, I mean, an Obama situation, whether getting us through the financial crisis and and passing Obamacare.

01:21:33.060 And we can you can talk to him about that and my brother Zeke about that.

01:21:36.660 I talked to Zeke about that many times or when he when he was a when he was.

01:21:41.820 a congressman and what he did there and getting democrats elected i think he did an incredible job

01:21:46.140 as a mayor in chicago and fighting the unions of for kids and school the teachers union and then

01:21:53.820 learning everything about our allies in asia as the ambassador to japan i don't think anybody has

01:22:00.300 whether it be how the white house works how a city works how congress works how and fighting

01:22:08.060 for fighting against teachers and for better education for kids, I don't think anybody

01:22:15.120 in the current possible, if my brother decides to run, is better suited for what we need

01:22:22.920 right now.

01:22:25.080 Give me one word, one word that comes to mind when you think about Rahm Emanuel.

01:22:31.480 You know, my parents always said to us, make the world a better place.

01:22:34.840 i can see it in my brother zeke my brother ram wants to make the place of the world a better

01:22:44.000 place he fought for kids in chicago he made that place a better place for business he made mistakes

01:22:51.900 and took responsibility he i think he did the same thing when he was uh ambassador he did the

01:22:59.200 same thing in the white house and he's a man committed to helping people um and he's he he

01:23:08.080 told me it was authenticity he thinks that's what will that that's that's what will set him apart

01:23:13.580 if he decides to run supply if he decides to run as he said it will be 31 flavors

01:23:19.800 and he will be rocky road and that's what we need

01:23:23.240 all right well we look forward to seeing whether uh you're going to have a brother in the white

01:23:29.000 House, or at least as a Democratic nominee, that process is about to unfold as soon as we get past

01:23:33.040 these midterms. All right. Another one I got to ask you about, because you write openly about

01:23:37.280 Harvey Weinstein. You were not impressed even before his downfall. Could you describe him

01:23:44.720 physically? First of all, let's just say the following. There was nobody, as it relates to

01:23:50.540 movies and television, that had better taste in material than Harvey Weinstein. Nobody. I mean,

01:23:57.140 he was, he had better taste than anybody. You can, I mean, it's just look, he had more, I mean,

01:24:03.120 he was incredible for where he was. I, we didn't, we were a small company. We didn't know

01:24:10.300 anything that was going on to this extent. At one point he comes up, we're about a month and a half

01:24:21.900 old two months old he summons us to the peninsula his shirts backwards food and he says he's made

01:24:28.620 a deal for us this small little agency for 10 million dollars that william morris is going to 0.98

01:24:34.700 buy us like who the fuck are you i'm nobody asked you to do that and he was probably getting you know 0.96

01:24:42.460 it's inside hollywood he was getting a deal from william morris getting stuff and he's going to 0.99

01:24:46.020 make this thing happen he's gonna push us around and and do all this and i'm like f you that's not

01:24:53.200 happening and um yeah i mean i had many run-ins he screwed around with a movie that mark walberg was

01:25:01.460 in um and uh he was he was he was rough i mean he he had he was rough but this whole other world

01:25:14.380 that he was living i mean disgusting and i think people knew it that had been in the business and

01:25:22.620 been in business with him that represented him i mean in the agency business the our competitor 0.59

01:25:30.000 ca was representing him so they knew it they were whatever and um yeah it's gross

01:25:37.720 not not not not not not cool

01:25:43.160 at all the physical descriptions of him in the book are hilarious talking about like just how 0.98

01:25:49.820 slovenly and what a slob he was which seems like the opposite of you it must have felt kind of 0.71

01:25:57.180 disdainful whenever you had to deal with this guy who as you point out was talented yeah and 0.95

01:26:03.280 ultimately powerful he was really really talented and really really powerful because he was a guy

01:26:08.820 that always had projects that were nominated for oscars he had you know and so you needed to get

01:26:14.760 your actors in there my competitors at the time had just taken over ca from mike ovates and ron

01:26:19.840 myer and bill haber so they needed that to keep potentially clients and i think well time will

01:26:26.700 tell let's not draw any conclusions but i you know i do think some funny business was going on but

01:26:31.280 that's okay i mean they're they're able meaning you think caa looked the other way is that what

01:26:35.600 you're saying yeah but you know that's what that's just an opinion the courts will figure it out um

01:26:43.100 there's there's cases coming up and we'll see oh do you think things have changed since his

01:26:50.000 downfall in hollywood um do i think things have changed i'm hoping i mean don't you think the

01:27:00.180 casting couch will always be there i'm hoping not i'm hoping not that would be sad it's like

01:27:08.160 at fox when they made us all go through sexual harassment training and i sat there thinking

01:27:12.900 they're using this for ideas like this is not being unleashed on the on the people the way

01:27:19.760 the management thinks it is and it just seems to be that there may there's going to be a next

01:27:24.140 creepy director who's using the Harvey Weinstein thing for ideas. I hope not. Um, that would be

01:27:29.860 sad. Um, so it's, it would be a very, very upsetting. Did you have, you don't have to tell

01:27:38.780 me who it was, but did you have anybody come to you after Harvey was outed as just a creep pig, 0.90

01:27:43.800 gross man, um, tell you stories that you found shocking? Well, I mean, I, I read, I mean, 0.83

01:27:52.000 you could read it all like all the different stories yeah but did you have anybody come to

01:27:57.380 you and say Ari no I don't remember really but they'll all take your breath away like who does

01:28:04.160 that what do you make can I ask you about this because this has been the news lately

01:28:08.880 any thoughts on child actors Ari because it's like every day you seem to have another story

01:28:14.840 of another one ODing or having an implosion and we talked a lot with our audience about how

01:28:19.900 just just dangerous it is to put your kid into a hollywood lifestyle at a young age you you've

01:28:26.620 seen it all so what do you think here's what i would say you know you kids might want to be

01:28:32.140 in the music business in the movie business in the television business parents make decisions

01:28:38.920 parents have a responsibility in that decision to kind of protect them sometimes you can sometimes

01:28:46.320 you can't um those incidents are sad um and um i'm lucky i have four beautiful kids my ex-wife

01:28:58.400 and i scored touchdowns um i think society has a role to play i think the industry has a role to

01:29:05.820 play and i think parents have a role to play and people in power have a role to play and sometimes

01:29:11.220 and it's really sad and we can all talk you know there's people get abused and that's not great

01:29:17.400 and i don't think that's the only reason but um it's a sad outcome i don't if you want to be an

01:29:25.620 actor you want to be great i mean that's but there's people have around you have to also

01:29:30.520 try and be supportive and that takes a lot of different forms and so i mean it's not really

01:29:36.200 the agents who are known for taking advantage of the young Hollywood actress. It's like those who

01:29:44.220 are doing the movies and who have the power over them on the set. It's just so disturbing. I want

01:29:48.140 to keep going though. Okay. So let me ask you this, something that I've always wondered about

01:29:53.840 you. Since you got sharp edges, no question. But my experience with agents is most of them

01:30:03.260 are total and complete suck-ups 0.97

01:30:06.000 to the point where it makes you uncomfortable. 0.99

01:30:09.720 Suck-ups, you know, like to the talent, 0.97

01:30:12.380 to where you feel uncomfortable, 0.99

01:30:13.880 like stop, stop with all the fake praise.

01:30:16.100 I know what's happening.

01:30:17.040 Like, don't do that.

01:30:18.320 Do you do that?

01:30:19.380 That doesn't seem like you.

01:30:20.880 No, I mean,

01:30:22.440 I think the job of an agent

01:30:25.740 is to ride or die with your client.

01:30:31.240 the definition i'm getting paid my percentage for my opinion now at the end i will give my opinion

01:30:38.680 if you don't agree with my opinion or you only agree with you you're the ceo whether it be a

01:30:45.040 writer director actor musician whatever we're all going to decide what the end game but in the

01:30:51.260 process i'm going to give you my opinion because that's what you're paying me my 10th percent for

01:30:56.200 and then once we make the decision and we're all on the street we're driving we're going that way

01:31:05.600 and so at the beginning i definitely give my opinion

01:31:10.540 and then i live with the i mean i live i you know we live with the concept and i have

01:31:17.500 sometimes with my opinion and i won't mention the clients i have said certain things

01:31:22.620 that have gotten me fired, long-time clients, and it's okay. It is what it is.

01:31:31.280 Well, one opinion you gave, speaking of Peter Berg, was he was being considered,

01:31:36.380 you write in the book, Roll the Calls, for a directing role for American Beauty,

01:31:42.120 starring Kevin Spacey, Annette Bening, and the one thing you said to him was,

01:31:48.060 do not, whatever you do when you go into this meeting where they're considering you,

01:31:51.440 pitch for the lead female role your current girlfriend this is now giving me anxiety what

01:31:57.140 did he do this is giving me anxiety tell us what he did you know he was pitching it all was going

01:32:06.580 right and i prepped him and he he did it and he then calls me and he says they all lean back and

01:32:13.240 he didn't you know get the job and i said to him you know we had a plan we were running a route

01:32:19.000 down and out i said what made you go up down out and up like like you know like what are we doing

01:32:26.140 here and but i would say like in the book it looks like a crazy mess this book in my life

01:32:34.520 at the end the book's great i think and i've had a great life it is great and pete berg has had an

01:32:40.880 incredible career and his talent he had an incredible girlfriend tell us who he was dating

01:32:46.760 who he pitched he pitched madonna yeah i don't know you know so but he's his career they say

01:32:57.600 love is blind it can also make men blind yes he he landed on his feet as as did madonna but yes i

01:33:04.620 can see why that would have been a source of aggravation to you all right let's talk speaking

01:33:08.680 of aggravation let's talk about larry david so larry david you wore him down you just is that

01:33:14.280 how you get most of the clients because i remember when you were calling me it was relentless it was 0.98

01:33:18.300 not i didn't get you though that's your thing i didn't get you i mean what the fuck i would have 0.98

01:33:23.920 been a great agent for you incredible i would have been your best i would have been incredible 0.94

01:33:29.180 i met your husband i met roger i met everybody i was like i think i think i'm gonna get there

01:33:35.180 no yes do you remember that you sent roger ale something after meeting with him do you have any

01:33:41.360 memory of this did i send him a shovel he grew up digging ditches yes yes he told you that he

01:33:48.560 grew up digging ditches in ohio yeah he made some he insulted you somehow well he said like 0.99

01:33:55.160 you shovel shit he he said i'm a democrat and you know and my brother's a democrat and da da da and 0.99

01:34:05.640 And he said, like, as if he worked with his hand and came up from nothing, as if I didn't. 1.00

01:34:13.240 F you.

01:34:16.180 Like, and, you know, he gave this whole long speech about digging ditches, whatever.

01:34:21.340 So I sent him a shovel.

01:34:24.120 Yes, it was so good.

01:34:25.580 I've done a lot of those.

01:34:26.760 If memory serves.

01:34:27.380 I've done a lot of those gifts.

01:34:28.580 He made some snide comment to me about you. 1.00

01:34:31.240 Like, you know, he shovels shit and I told you. 1.00

01:34:33.980 And then you sent him the shovel. 1.00

01:34:35.640 Like, you wouldn't back down to anybody, and it was a good-natured sort of ribbing, but

01:34:40.740 yeah, Roger would have preferred I remain unrepresented forever.

01:34:44.220 He did not like the talent getting connected with agents at all, and that's where I am

01:34:49.480 now, frankly, and the audience knows that.

01:34:51.080 It's lovely to be independent and not have to—no offense to you, I never had you represent

01:34:55.820 me, but in general, I'm very anti-agent.

01:34:58.900 Wow.

01:35:00.320 This book didn't help you get over that?

01:35:01.680 I've had some bad experiences, Ari.

01:35:02.920 This book didn't help you get over that?

01:35:05.640 it's listen you the man i like you the agent i respect but agents in general nothing but bad

01:35:13.120 experiences i just i would say to defend a profession that i am in and i have started in

01:35:20.320 and then even though i do other things now agents it's an incredible occupation in that

01:35:27.540 you take an artist you take their dreams you figure out a financial situation to make that

01:35:37.060 happen getting them economics and the freedom to make what they want to make you defend them

01:35:42.620 um and then you make sure that when conflict happens you you get through the conflict

01:35:50.920 and then great things come out of it if you if you do it well it is in and of itself one of the

01:35:57.760 great art forms um and it's on the business side of it but without it um i think it's a very

01:36:07.640 difficult for artists to be protected hollywood is yeah i think in news it's it's a lot easier

01:36:14.080 and you know if you're you think it's a lot easier now i think it's getting harder in news because of

01:36:18.660 what's happening oh that could be i don't know with me i only ever used an agent to negotiate

01:36:25.040 a deal like toward the end of my time and in cable news and that it was pointless because i can

01:36:30.100 negotiate my own deal not everybody can or wants to um but i just always felt like it's just a

01:36:35.880 waste of your money because unless you're going to really use your agent and hollywood makes sense

01:36:39.520 because you're going from project to project you got a lot to manage in news it's like you sign a

01:36:42.540 three-year deal. Why give away whatever? I want to keep going. We got to talk about Meghan Markle.

01:36:48.980 I'll get back to Larry David. So you recently told the Sunday Times it was a great thing that

01:36:55.520 you were no longer having to think about her. Yeah. Why? Why is that great? Listen, I got a busy life.

01:37:02.840 She is finding her voice. I'm happy for her. We're the great thing. I hope as a parent of

01:37:09.880 starting William Morris Endeavor is there's people here that they can handle stuff and handle

01:37:18.860 clients. And for me, I just had a lot on my plate with I've started a new company. I run TKO. I have

01:37:27.620 clients. And it was it was better to let them deal with her and execute against her needs and her 1.00

01:37:37.840 desires and i'm happy that everybody's doing it for me than to have you do that i i couldn't i

01:37:43.700 couldn't it couldn't occupy i didn't want it occupying my brain and when i'm involved in

01:37:48.300 somebody constantly when i wake up in the morning clients occupy my brain when that's what happens

01:37:53.600 and i just didn't want to do that anymore having nothing about her i just needed to move on to 1.00

01:37:57.880 other things i was doing did you find there was a big appetite for her services

01:38:03.380 well i mean you know i i think there's a bunch of things that our people are doing for her now

01:38:11.540 so that's a good thing i'm just not involved i'm not involved i mean not in a bad way i just i just

01:38:18.580 have a lot on my plate and i have to be rageful and all those things i can't you know on her behalf

01:38:25.360 you did represent her and then somehow you didn't and clearly you made that decision

01:38:32.120 Yeah. I just I just had to shift my focus to other things that were a priority for me.

01:38:40.120 Things that actually could get bookings and make money for the great thing is.

01:38:45.740 I hope I've done it with my own children, my four kids, you have to let them grow up.

01:38:51.760 I don't want to be a helicopter parent. And here at the agency.

01:38:56.840 Agents can go do their job. They've been taught really well.

01:39:00.340 they are they're doing their job fantastic

01:39:04.260 it's it doesn't seem to be going that well actually but i don't think there's a lot i think

01:39:11.980 she's actually getting booked and there's reality stuff and tv stuff they're doing stuff

01:39:17.340 i don't know about it oh really you are so full of it this is the first thing i've had you when

01:39:24.560 i got you on the ropes man you are full of it you've had me on the ropes for now 42 minutes

01:39:29.540 what are you talking about okay i will let you off the hook and i'll bring you over to safer

01:39:34.680 ground which is larry david yeah um you wore him down he decided to represent you and is it true

01:39:41.420 what this stuff about what he allegedly said at your wedding that he called you a mutant

01:39:46.140 a freak of nature and even the c word the c word multiple times my mom who has lost her hearing

01:39:52.520 couldn't figure out what he was saying it was it was one of the first of all

01:39:59.020 larry david is truly a gift one of the funniest people ever creators of all time

01:40:10.060 the show he just finished actually for the obamas and hbo was i think unbelievably inventive and

01:40:18.620 and hysterical skits and he's a really great friend um and yeah he went on he he you know

01:40:28.700 he roasted me and what did your mom think he called you i don't remember what she thought

01:40:34.420 but it wasn't the word he said

01:40:36.860 here here i i i think it was couch she thought he was calling you a cow yeah exactly yeah yeah

01:40:47.040 sweet mom okay all right let me do a couple quick hits with you can you give me a couple

01:40:51.980 quick answers you can you can pass if you feel you must um who's got the biggest power the who

01:40:58.720 has got the biggest star power in a room just generally i mean in hollywood like hollywood

01:41:07.120 people yeah you know them all like you've been in the presence of all these major stars who's

01:41:10.960 got the biggest star power in the room well as an actor on on serious stuff um probably um

01:41:19.700 leo dicaprio matt damon ben affleck uh dwayne johnson that group that makes sense

01:41:30.980 who is the biggest comedy is probably in the room on comedy it's adam sandler 0.94

01:41:37.280 yeah Adam Sandler who's the biggest ass in the room I think most people in Hollywood would say me 0.97

01:41:46.700 that's rough who's the biggest diva um I won't deal with the diva so I don't really 0.99

01:41:58.200 I don't I don't know it'd be a bad thing I don't know I mean diva can be I don't know

01:42:03.060 neutral i don't i don't i don't i won't no longer in my life will i deal with the diva

01:42:10.120 oh that explains what happened between you and megan markle that's you that's you my love that's

01:42:17.040 you okay what who is the nicest guy in the industry well i have incredible clients so

01:42:27.900 you know you talk about larry david pete um tyler perry incredible jonah hill has been incredible

01:42:35.420 jim brooks uh greg daniels i mean i have like i have i ride or die with really great clients i

01:42:44.160 am now you know marty scorsese unbelievable they're they're these are great people

01:42:49.360 is it is are those names that anybody would like to work with just because they're so

01:42:55.520 enjoyable like they they show up they work hard that kind of person yeah i mean that's a that's

01:43:01.660 that's it like that's the creme de la creme i mean i'm i'm honored to be in business with those

01:43:07.780 people how about for a female like who's who's the nicest female you've worked with um

01:43:15.340 megan markle 1.00

01:43:19.900 oh can i tell you one of the great one of the best female you need that shovel back one of 0.94

01:43:27.740 the great one of the great female um people ever uh oprah winfrey she's incredible generous

01:43:36.400 thoughtful kind incredible very successful very successful very smart what what about

01:43:45.060 Well, putting yours truly to the side, the biggest star who ever got away.

01:43:53.460 Well, what do you mean like I was representing them and then they fired me?

01:43:58.560 That or they just wouldn't sign with you.

01:44:01.680 You know, here's what I think about that.

01:44:03.220 Can I just say this?

01:44:03.960 And this is not the shovel again.

01:44:05.440 Yeah.

01:44:07.720 I'm supposed to represent who I represent because of my personality, them.

01:44:12.400 They know what they got.

01:44:13.260 Yes. 1.00

01:44:15.060 The biggest star that got away, you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:44:25.340 If it was meant to be, we'll still come back together. 1.00

01:44:29.060 That's right.

01:44:31.100 Maybe this whole thing was just a roundabout way of actually landing that deal.

01:44:34.300 I'm going to get back in now.

01:44:36.340 The calls are going to start.

01:44:39.220 God help me.

01:44:40.720 And you've got the number.

01:44:41.800 That's what's really scary.

01:44:43.380 All right, listen.

01:44:43.940 the book is called roll the calls you'll see it in your store because it's orange it stands out

01:44:50.420 and it says aria manual on it it's well worth your time to get new york times bestseller one

01:44:54.560 of a kind my mom loves me i mean that's amazing my mom loves me a little bit what i'm saying is

01:44:59.800 even better than that she loves me what i'm saying is even better than that which is i give it my

01:45:04.320 personal endorsement is highly entertaining and like your brother rom authentic thanks for being

01:45:10.740 here, Ari. All the best. Thank you so much. Lots of love. Bye-bye. See you soon. What a guy,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 09, 2026

The Mystery of Talarico's DISAPPEARANCE, and Ari Emanuel on Secrets of Hollywood, the Value of ＂Rage,＂ and Meghan Markle ｜ Ep. 1415

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