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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.540 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.140 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.660 Today, I want to bring you an in-depth discussion.

00:00:50.180 This is going to be so good.

00:00:52.080 On a new book.

00:00:53.160 I mean, it is the book about the Kennedy family

00:00:56.760 that is generating a ton of headlines

00:00:59.500 and for good reason.

00:01:00.880 Among the new revelations in this book,

00:01:02.780 a story about Jackie Kennedy kissing goodbye

00:01:05.740 to every inch of John F. Kennedy's body.

00:01:09.680 And I do mean every inch.

00:01:12.360 Whether JFK and his brother Bobby Kennedy

00:01:14.960 had anything to do with Marilyn Monroe's death.

00:01:17.400 There's so much more.

00:01:18.460 The book talks about something very key happening

00:01:20.900 weeks before Marilyn was found dead.

00:01:22.760 And the book raises questions about whether John F. Kennedy Jr.

00:01:27.580 was on a death mission during his reckless plane crash

00:01:31.960 that killed him, his wife, and his sister-in-law.

00:01:35.880 All right, Maureen, welcome back.

00:01:39.960 So, I don't even know where to begin.

00:01:42.060 There's so much juicy stuff in here.

00:01:44.760 Perhaps we should start with the man who's running for president,

00:01:49.460 RFKJ.

00:01:50.680 Because you do get into his relationship

00:01:53.700 with his ex-wife who died by suicide.

00:01:57.740 I want to tell the audience,

00:01:58.900 we reached out to RFKJ to respond to the allegations

00:02:01.500 in Maureen's book.

00:02:02.280 He did not get back to us.

00:02:04.020 But this is new stuff where you are painting him

00:02:08.140 as a very unsympathetic partner

00:02:11.140 to a woman who was clearly struggling

00:02:13.540 with some mental health issues.

00:02:16.040 I do.

00:02:17.460 And I, this to me is something that I so strongly feel

00:02:24.480 should be central to his candidacy

00:02:26.980 and that he should really be questioned about.

00:02:30.080 I spoke to several people who were very close to Mary

00:02:35.700 and who told, one of whom was her therapist

00:02:39.600 who not only spoke on the record,

00:02:42.400 allowed herself to be named in the book,

00:02:46.060 talked to me about counseling Mary alone

00:02:48.980 and together with Bobby

00:02:50.760 and how she refused at Bobby's request

00:02:56.660 to label Mary as mentally ill.

00:03:00.400 She said to him,

00:03:02.180 your wife is angry and she is depressed,

00:03:05.160 but she is not crazy.

00:03:08.400 And this is one of the sort of pages

00:03:11.700 that it just comes right out of the Kennedy playbook

00:03:15.020 when you're dealing with an inconvenient woman.

00:03:17.760 Call her crazy, lock her away,

00:03:20.680 shunt her off to the side.

00:03:21.860 So, he tried to forcibly hospitalize her,

00:03:30.000 hospitalize her, that didn't work.

00:03:32.780 While she was falling apart over this marriage,

00:03:38.740 declining after she found Bobby's sex diaries,

00:03:42.860 which I had access to.

00:03:44.520 And in those diaries, he lists the women

00:03:48.520 and Megan, there are so many women,

00:03:52.840 sometimes two or three in a single day,

00:03:56.520 some of whom were friends of Mary and Bobby's.

00:04:02.160 Women who he then ranked on a scale of one to 10.

00:04:06.380 And that wasn't about sexual performance.

00:04:08.680 That was in a sort of very juvenile way,

00:04:12.140 a reflection of how far he went with them sexually.

00:04:16.180 So, she finds this.

00:04:17.880 And she, of course, is beyond distraught.

00:04:20.760 And what he does in response

00:04:23.040 is take up with a new girlfriend,

00:04:25.500 his now wife, the actress Cheryl Hines,

00:04:28.160 who people probably know from Curb Your Enthusiasm,

00:04:31.780 moves very close by to Mary's house,

00:04:35.480 cuts off her $20,000 court-approved funds

00:04:39.580 to support their four children,

00:04:42.320 has her begging at the school run,

00:04:45.160 other mothers, do you have 20 bucks?

00:04:47.400 I need to fill my car up with gas.

00:04:49.060 I need to buy some groceries.

00:04:50.720 This is a woman who was up in Westchester

00:04:53.200 in a million-dollar house that she redid

00:04:55.720 as a reflection of the Kennedy brand.

00:04:58.860 And he's got her peddling like a homeless person.

00:05:02.580 This isn't just about that marriage,

00:05:05.940 that adultery, that cruelty.

00:05:10.400 This goes to a very central question.

00:05:13.620 What does Bobby Kennedy really think of women?

00:05:17.040 How can women be expected to vote for him

00:05:20.200 and think he truly respects us

00:05:22.420 and has our best interests at heart?

00:05:24.900 I'd love to hear him weigh in on this.

00:05:30.140 I'm surprised he didn't give us any comment, right?

00:05:32.360 Because normally he likes to weigh in,

00:05:34.780 like he's not afraid of combat.

00:05:36.800 I wonder whether he will,

00:05:38.640 because the book is very detailed

00:05:41.800 and has actual evidence you can read with your own eyes.

00:05:45.240 It's not like some tabloid

00:05:47.500 that you can just easily dismiss.

00:05:50.320 I know he picked a woman as his running mate.

00:05:53.480 He seems to really love his current wife, Cheryl,

00:05:56.760 but this would be fair game if it were Trump

00:06:00.080 and it's fair game even though it's a Kennedy,

00:06:03.400 especially because it's a Kennedy.

00:06:05.800 Yeah, especially because it's a Kennedy.

00:06:08.340 And, you know, the coda to Mary's heartbreaking story

00:06:11.380 is that after he fought her siblings for her remains

00:06:16.040 so he could bury her publicly in the Kennedy family plot,

00:06:21.500 a week later, without the required permits,

00:06:25.720 he secretly had her coffin dug up

00:06:27.940 and moved 700 feet away to be buried alone

00:06:33.340 on the side of a hill facing traffic.

00:06:36.380 It is an act of extreme cruelty and spite

00:06:39.900 and a little back little nugget

00:06:45.900 for your viewers and listeners.

00:06:48.720 Vanity Fair fought tooth and nail

00:06:51.840 to get that extract from the book about Mary and Bobby.

00:06:55.840 They fought tooth and nail.

00:06:57.740 It was like a-

00:06:58.060 Why Vanity Fair?

00:07:00.120 They wanted it.

00:07:01.680 So they wound up getting this explosive chapter,

00:07:06.920 incredibly relevant.

00:07:08.180 This guy is running for the highest office.

00:07:11.460 Days before it's due to be published,

00:07:13.520 they tell us,

00:07:14.440 sorry, we can't run it.

00:07:16.280 They say, what?

00:07:17.240 My publisher says, why?

00:07:18.460 They say, oh, we don't have enough fact checkers.

00:07:20.760 I spent my own money hiring a fact checker.

00:07:23.640 This book was vetted front to back.

00:07:25.660 It was legaled eight ways to Sunday.

00:07:27.940 Sorry, we don't have enough orders.

00:07:29.840 Oh, will you run it online?

00:07:31.260 Can't do it.

00:07:32.100 I am beyond sure.

00:07:36.160 I have no proof.

00:07:37.440 But Bobby knew this book was coming.

00:07:39.820 He knew this book was coming.

00:07:41.400 And I am sure the Kennedys got to Vanity Fair.

00:07:44.900 By the way, Vanity Fair,

00:07:46.580 the publication that Undergraden Carter

00:07:49.220 and Tina Brown proudly published Dominic Dunn,

00:07:53.240 who was responsible for Bobby's cousin, Michael,

00:07:57.020 Bobby, Michael's great defender,

00:07:59.840 for Michael finally being criminally charged

00:08:03.600 and tried in the savage sexual assault

00:08:06.620 and murder of 15-year-old Martha Moxley.

00:08:09.060 That magazine once published incendiary,

00:08:13.500 important, power-challenging reporting like that.

00:08:17.180 Today, no more.

00:08:19.100 Well, you point out in the book that other Kennedys,

00:08:21.740 Maria Shriver and Carolyn Kennedy,

00:08:24.440 the daughter of JFK,

00:08:26.700 got a documentary that was going to air on,

00:08:30.280 I can't remember what you said,

00:08:32.260 but it was going to air on television.

00:08:33.900 The History Channel.

00:08:34.620 The History Channel.

00:08:35.720 And they got that spiked.

00:08:37.240 So it wouldn't be the first time if,

00:08:39.060 you know, if there was involvement in getting it pulled.

00:08:41.160 It would not be the first time at all.

00:08:43.440 It wouldn't.

00:08:44.280 And, you know, this kind of,

00:08:45.360 sometimes it goes on in ways that are obvious

00:08:47.800 to the person producing this counter-narrative

00:08:51.400 and sometimes not so.

00:08:53.640 So, for example, my last book,

00:08:56.460 American Predator, was published by Viking.

00:08:59.500 That book did gangbusters for them.

00:09:01.300 It made them a ton of money.

00:09:03.540 A ton of money.

00:09:04.500 My editor said to me after that book came out,

00:09:06.800 whatever you want to publish next, we will do it.

00:09:08.940 I said, it's this book.

00:09:10.380 They said, we're going to make you a strong offer.

00:09:12.700 They vaporized.

00:09:15.420 Vaporized.

00:09:16.660 Months later, my agent comes back to me and says,

00:09:18.840 you know why they didn't publish this?

00:09:20.600 They were busy making a backroom deal

00:09:22.760 with Maria Shriver to give her her own imprint.

00:09:26.060 Oh, come on.

00:09:28.020 There you go.

00:09:28.880 Maria Shriver, her imprint about, like,

00:09:31.260 women's empowerment.

00:09:32.520 Like, it couldn't be more full of shit, frankly.

00:09:36.260 You know, so stuff like this, which is, it's not gossip.

00:09:40.560 It's reconsidered American history that is putting the stories,

00:09:46.000 the true stories of these women and girls

00:09:48.460 whose reputations have otherwise been shredded

00:09:51.700 in the public square by the Kennedy machine,

00:09:55.360 finally front and center.

00:09:57.260 And, of course, they don't like it.

00:09:59.440 But I think it would be a power move

00:10:03.280 for someone like a Maria Shriver

00:10:05.200 to say, wait a minute.

00:10:07.620 Yes, my family has a very complicated history with women.

00:10:11.360 I was married to a guy

00:10:14.520 with a very complicated history with women

00:10:18.040 who impregnated my housekeeper

00:10:20.840 and kept that a secret for 13 years.

00:10:24.140 You know, this is all,

00:10:25.560 it's stuff that's in the water supply.

00:10:28.040 And it does no good to pretend that it's not there.

00:10:31.200 Yeah.

00:10:31.680 I'm sure the audience knows,

00:10:32.900 but her husband, of whom Maureen speaks,

00:10:35.300 was Arnold Schwarzenegger,

00:10:36.260 who did impregnate the maid,

00:10:38.520 and she had the baby.

00:10:39.700 He has a son by this housekeeper

00:10:41.400 in addition to his own children with Maria.

00:10:43.840 So what I think is important about the book

00:10:47.220 for the reasons you're stating is

00:10:48.520 there's so much in here about the Kennedys

00:10:50.460 that was kept secret for years

00:10:53.760 because there was this wink and an odd deal

00:10:56.060 between the press and the sitting president

00:10:57.620 when it was JFK

00:10:58.600 not to cover his extramarital affairs.

00:11:01.200 Some has been exposed since his death.

00:11:04.200 Much hasn't.

00:11:05.520 And if you, like,

00:11:07.080 look at how we talk about Bill Clinton these days

00:11:09.000 because of his multiple affairs

00:11:10.260 and his coming on to young women

00:11:12.100 and even talk about how Joe Biden is

00:11:13.900 and snipping the hair.

00:11:14.620 What JFK did with the young women

00:11:17.900 is absolutely disgusting.

00:11:21.460 He, we all know that he was a serial philanderer

00:11:24.720 on Jackie.

00:11:25.640 I did not know that it stretched down

00:11:27.580 to a 15-year-old,

00:11:29.820 then a 19-year-old,

00:11:31.900 girl after girl.

00:11:33.200 Tell us about the 19-year-old girl

00:11:35.340 who was working at the White House

00:11:37.440 and on her first day

00:11:39.500 got a tour of the White House

00:11:42.260 by the president, John F. Kennedy.

00:11:45.740 First day, 19-year-old virgin,

00:11:49.500 very sheltered girl,

00:11:51.540 Mimi Beardsley.

00:11:53.980 JFK's consigliere, Dave Powers,

00:11:57.040 calls her at her desk.

00:11:58.140 Why don't you come up to the White House residence,

00:12:00.420 have a drink after work?

00:12:01.920 She's thinking like,

00:12:03.140 well, this is a young president.

00:12:04.840 He's cool.

00:12:05.640 He's unlike anybody else.

00:12:07.140 Maybe this is just sort of how things go here.

00:12:10.360 She goes up there.

00:12:12.280 She's handed daiquiris.

00:12:14.320 She's gotten drunk.

00:12:16.180 The president suddenly materializes.

00:12:18.420 Mimi, would you like a tour?

00:12:20.120 Next thing you know,

00:12:21.380 she finds herself on Jackie's bed.

00:12:23.420 Jackie's away.

00:12:24.640 He's on top of her.

00:12:25.860 She says, short of screaming,

00:12:27.600 there was nothing I could do

00:12:28.920 to get him off of me.

00:12:30.820 Mimi had never even been kissed before.

00:12:34.540 A minute, he takes her virginity,

00:12:36.660 tells her to wash herself up.

00:12:39.240 Days later, she's back at her desk,

00:12:42.640 gets a call.

00:12:43.420 Why don't you come swimming with the president

00:12:45.180 and take a dip on one of his afternoon swims?

00:12:48.920 She goes in.

00:12:50.640 There's Dave Powers again.

00:12:52.140 JFK's in the pool.

00:12:53.220 Dave's got his feet dangling there.

00:12:54.960 JFK says to Mimi, again, 19 years old.

00:12:59.380 Mimi, Dave looks a little tense.

00:13:02.000 Why don't you go over there and relax him?

00:13:04.140 She knew what that meant.

00:13:05.920 She goes over, and to her great shame,

00:13:09.440 she has said this herself,

00:13:11.260 performs oral sex on Dave Powers

00:13:13.740 while JFK stands there and watches.

00:13:16.380 Not an isolated incident.

00:13:19.360 He tries it again months later in a room.

00:13:23.240 His brother Teddy's there.

00:13:24.860 He says, Mimi, Teddy looks a little tense.

00:13:27.760 Why don't you relieve him of that?

00:13:29.880 At that moment, she says no.

00:13:32.480 But this is the kind of predatory abuse.

00:13:36.760 I mean, this is just the tip of the iceberg

00:13:38.100 with him and with so many Kennedy men.

00:13:40.280 But that really breaks my heart.

00:13:45.400 He's taking these young women

00:13:47.160 who are probably so excited

00:13:49.200 to be working in the White House.

00:13:50.800 I mean, it is very familiar

00:13:52.320 with the Monica Lewinsky thing

00:13:53.760 and turning them into whores.

00:13:56.660 He was turning them into his horse,

00:13:58.880 his harem to service other men,

00:14:01.780 other family members.

00:14:02.960 It's absolutely disgusting.

00:14:05.500 You know, the way that we lionize this family

00:14:08.780 and you put the lie to that, too,

00:14:11.520 to Camelot and Jackie

00:14:13.460 and how that was a Jackie Kennedy-created myth

00:14:18.040 that she insisted on creating, fabricating

00:14:21.820 with the help of Life magazine.

00:14:23.860 Tell us about that story.

00:14:25.620 Yeah, I mean, and again,

00:14:26.800 the entire press corps knew

00:14:28.320 what was going on with JFK

00:14:29.780 and not just the philandering,

00:14:31.900 but the like shoving teenagers like Mimi

00:14:35.660 into like the boots of cars

00:14:37.440 to hide from the press.

00:14:38.440 They all knew about it.

00:14:40.080 So after JFK is assassinated

00:14:43.380 and the nation suffers through this trauma,

00:14:47.020 everybody's willing to do whatever Jackie says.

00:14:49.600 And what Jackie wants

00:14:50.840 is a mythologized version of her husband,

00:14:54.480 not just his administration,

00:14:56.520 but of their marriage.

00:14:59.240 And she conscripts Theodore White,

00:15:01.180 who was a fanboy of JFK's.

00:15:04.440 He comes up to her house.

00:15:06.540 She gives him this interview.

00:15:07.760 She knows exactly what she's going to tell him

00:15:10.100 and what she's not.

00:15:11.560 And in the end,

00:15:13.140 this myth is what comes back to bite her

00:15:15.720 really in the ass

00:15:17.740 because she becomes a fiction herself,

00:15:23.400 a fiction of her own creation.

00:15:26.420 And she who will later,

00:15:28.620 and Jackie, believe it or not,

00:15:30.080 really is the heroine of this book.

00:15:31.740 And I have great admiration for her

00:15:33.540 and what she made of her life.

00:15:36.380 But what she did,

00:15:38.940 whether she was cognizant at the time or not,

00:15:42.020 in creating this myth,

00:15:44.180 was allowed for the,

00:15:45.840 allowed for, rather,

00:15:47.580 the destruction of so many other girls

00:15:49.620 and women in her way.

00:15:51.540 That's right.

00:15:52.160 She insisted on putting the line

00:15:53.700 about Camelot

00:15:54.500 into this Life magazine piece.

00:15:57.600 And the writer knew it was a lie

00:15:59.760 that there was,

00:16:00.940 that JFK,

00:16:01.820 she told some story

00:16:02.920 about how he used to put it

00:16:03.980 on the record player.

00:16:05.780 They had an old Vitrola

00:16:06.920 in the White House.

00:16:07.700 And JFK,

00:16:08.660 this guy who's banging everything

00:16:10.260 with it that's got a skirt on,

00:16:12.160 is like,

00:16:12.600 oh, sweetheart,

00:16:13.600 let's play the part about,

00:16:14.840 you know,

00:16:14.980 from the play Camelot,

00:16:16.560 about,

00:16:17.320 you know,

00:16:18.200 for one brief shining moment,

00:16:19.940 there was Camelot

00:16:20.480 on the record player over and over.

00:16:22.500 And the Life writer knows this isn't true.

00:16:24.560 And the editors say no.

00:16:26.100 And she was like,

00:16:26.900 it's going in there.

00:16:27.960 And she wanted that myth alive,

00:16:29.760 notwithstanding the fact

00:16:30.540 you reveal in the book,

00:16:32.380 he had,

00:16:33.120 JFK is believed

00:16:33.940 to have given her chlamydia

00:16:35.640 that possibly played a role

00:16:37.660 in her two miscarriages.

00:16:39.620 She,

00:16:39.920 the worst story,

00:16:40.820 I mean,

00:16:41.220 the worst story,

00:16:42.160 other than Mary Jo Kopechny,

00:16:44.220 you know,

00:16:44.420 who was killed by Ted Kennedy.

00:16:46.560 Although there's quite a few

00:16:47.800 to choose from,

00:16:48.840 is the stillborn baby

00:16:51.540 and how JFK behaved.

00:16:54.620 Can you tell us that one?

00:16:56.840 This story

00:16:57.960 was beyond,

00:17:01.440 I mean,

00:17:01.640 I thought I had read

00:17:03.220 and heard everything.

00:17:05.460 So Jackie

00:17:06.980 is eight months pregnant.

00:17:08.520 She is finally carrying

00:17:10.140 a baby to term.

00:17:11.140 As you said,

00:17:11.760 she's had two miscarriages.

00:17:13.320 She so badly

00:17:14.540 wants to be a mother.

00:17:17.360 JFK says to her,

00:17:19.360 I'm going off

00:17:20.240 sailing in the med

00:17:21.260 with my friend,

00:17:23.360 Senator Smathers,

00:17:24.700 who everybody knew

00:17:25.580 what those two got up to

00:17:26.680 together.

00:17:27.420 Everybody,

00:17:28.080 Jackie included.

00:17:29.180 She says to him,

00:17:30.180 please,

00:17:30.540 will you stay with me?

00:17:31.400 I am so worried

00:17:32.200 about having this baby.

00:17:33.320 He says,

00:17:33.680 nope.

00:17:34.860 Off he goes to the med

00:17:36.200 to a yacht

00:17:37.220 surrounded by starlets

00:17:39.300 and bikini babes

00:17:40.680 drinking,

00:17:42.000 smoking,

00:17:42.560 carousing.

00:17:43.920 Jackie goes into

00:17:44.800 premature labor,

00:17:47.020 wakes up

00:17:47.800 and is told

00:17:48.720 she had a stillborn

00:17:50.440 daughter,

00:17:51.660 a daughter she never saw,

00:17:53.260 a daughter she never held.

00:17:56.000 Bobby Kennedy,

00:17:57.940 Jack's brother,

00:17:58.820 materializes at her bedside

00:18:00.560 and she says,

00:18:01.720 where is my husband?

00:18:02.540 I want my husband.

00:18:03.560 And she says,

00:18:04.360 he says to her,

00:18:05.400 he's unreachable in the med.

00:18:07.680 And that was a lie

00:18:09.040 because Jack was,

00:18:10.440 of course,

00:18:10.760 reachable in the med

00:18:11.860 and Bobby himself

00:18:13.320 had spoken to Jack

00:18:14.520 and when he told him

00:18:15.840 about this

00:18:16.460 and that the baby

00:18:17.320 had been stillborn,

00:18:18.460 Jack said to him,

00:18:20.040 what does it matter?

00:18:21.740 The baby is dead

00:18:23.020 and refused to come home.

00:18:25.700 Jackie spent about

00:18:26.600 eight days

00:18:27.320 in a hospital bed

00:18:28.460 alone,

00:18:30.020 mourning a baby

00:18:30.740 she never saw,

00:18:32.220 did not have the strength

00:18:33.320 to bury herself

00:18:34.320 and Jack returns

00:18:36.660 after eight to ten days

00:18:38.560 after Smathers

00:18:39.540 says to him,

00:18:40.520 if you ever want

00:18:41.640 to be president,

00:18:42.260 you better haul your ass

00:18:43.640 back to your wife.

00:18:45.600 And so he does

00:18:46.780 and he tells the media,

00:18:48.160 this is the cherry on top.

00:18:49.660 He had no idea

00:18:50.640 what had happened

00:18:51.380 and Jackie hadn't told him

00:18:53.000 because she didn't want

00:18:54.260 to quote,

00:18:55.380 ruin his vacation.

00:18:58.020 My God.

00:18:59.620 I mean,

00:18:59.960 truly this,

00:19:00.920 this is a monstrous

00:19:02.400 life partner.

00:19:04.660 I,

00:19:05.340 whenever people have

00:19:05.980 their individual opinions

00:19:06.820 about his policy,

00:19:07.800 but what kind of a man

00:19:10.320 who could ever be respected

00:19:12.000 knowing these facts

00:19:13.580 about him.

00:19:14.620 And yet,

00:19:15.840 you know,

00:19:16.360 when you write that scene

00:19:17.340 that we mentioned

00:19:17.880 in the intro

00:19:18.500 about after his assassination

00:19:21.020 and Jackie at the hospital

00:19:23.040 going in there

00:19:24.320 and you can tell,

00:19:25.100 you know,

00:19:25.380 about the kissing

00:19:25.960 this,

00:19:26.580 this new information,

00:19:28.340 she loved him.

00:19:31.680 She did love him

00:19:32.760 and the hard part.

00:19:34.560 So to,

00:19:35.600 for the,

00:19:36.080 I don't want to bury

00:19:36.940 the lead here,

00:19:37.580 but after the assassination

00:19:38.660 and,

00:19:39.280 you know,

00:19:39.620 all the men around her,

00:19:41.220 his aides,

00:19:42.020 the surgeons,

00:19:42.720 the priests who were called

00:19:43.720 in,

00:19:43.860 they were all losing their shit

00:19:45.400 like they could not

00:19:46.200 keep themselves together.

00:19:47.700 Jackie kept herself together.

00:19:49.840 She was the one

00:19:50.580 who kept her composure.

00:19:51.980 She demanded to be left alone

00:19:53.380 with her husband

00:19:53.980 and she did.

00:19:54.740 She took up the sheet.

00:19:55.960 She removed it.

00:19:56.980 She kissed every part

00:19:58.400 of his body,

00:19:59.280 including his penis.

00:20:00.540 And I believe

00:20:01.560 that was a symbolic act

00:20:03.220 on her part,

00:20:04.560 needing to be

00:20:05.340 the last woman

00:20:06.540 of all of his women

00:20:08.180 to fully possess him.

00:20:12.620 But to that story,

00:20:15.580 wait,

00:20:15.760 what was your original question?

00:20:16.680 I completely forgot

00:20:17.420 when I went to that.

00:20:18.100 That she loved him.

00:20:18.820 Just that she loved him.

00:20:20.300 Notwithstanding

00:20:20.900 all the bad stuff,

00:20:22.860 she loved him.

00:20:24.120 Yeah, no,

00:20:24.740 100%.

00:20:25.480 And that was

00:20:26.420 the real challenge

00:20:27.420 of this book

00:20:27.960 because as I was

00:20:28.840 learning all of these

00:20:30.600 details,

00:20:31.580 that as they

00:20:32.040 Rude

00:20:32.600 painted a portrait

00:20:34.180 of a monster

00:20:34.840 who I believe

00:20:35.820 really did not

00:20:36.920 like women,

00:20:39.200 Jackie was no idiot.

00:20:41.360 She was extremely bright,

00:20:43.280 you know,

00:20:43.680 and for women

00:20:45.000 of her class

00:20:45.980 at that time,

00:20:46.840 like making a marriage,

00:20:48.640 you know,

00:20:48.880 that was the most

00:20:49.620 important thing

00:20:50.200 you could do.

00:20:50.760 That was really

00:20:51.420 going to sort of

00:20:52.020 dictate much

00:20:53.320 of your life.

00:20:54.420 I had to work hard

00:20:55.880 to find the JFK

00:20:57.060 that she fell in love with.

00:20:58.820 Like there had to be

00:21:00.820 really things about him

00:21:02.920 that were so special

00:21:04.320 that,

00:21:05.300 you know,

00:21:06.140 really could explain

00:21:07.500 the sort of love

00:21:08.700 she had for him

00:21:09.560 and why she stuck it out.

00:21:10.640 It wasn't just about power,

00:21:12.200 which is such a misogynistic

00:21:13.900 trope that's often

00:21:14.760 thrown her way.

00:21:15.700 She was power hungry.

00:21:16.580 She was greedy.

00:21:17.280 She wanted fame.

00:21:18.200 She really did love him.

00:21:20.320 And I think

00:21:21.820 that they bonded

00:21:23.060 over uniquely

00:21:24.380 terrible childhoods

00:21:26.240 in which they were

00:21:27.700 both neglected

00:21:28.560 and abused

00:21:29.220 to a degree.

00:21:30.560 They were essentially

00:21:31.300 loners.

00:21:31.980 she described

00:21:33.080 herself and the president

00:21:34.160 as twin icebergs,

00:21:35.840 very composed

00:21:37.000 above the surface,

00:21:37.940 but all of the

00:21:39.220 messy,

00:21:40.300 interesting stuff

00:21:41.200 sort of breaking

00:21:42.080 apart furiously

00:21:43.420 below.

00:21:44.660 He had been a very,

00:21:45.960 very,

00:21:46.280 very sick boy,

00:21:47.860 hospitalized

00:21:48.260 multiple times,

00:21:49.560 left alone

00:21:50.040 by his parents

00:21:50.820 as a toddler

00:21:51.640 to fight

00:21:53.240 life-threatening

00:21:54.200 illnesses

00:21:54.660 in hospitals

00:21:55.400 around America.

00:21:56.820 She understood

00:21:58.820 that lonely

00:22:00.440 boy in him

00:22:01.200 and she also

00:22:02.140 relished,

00:22:03.240 as he did her,

00:22:05.000 she was probably

00:22:06.100 the only woman

00:22:07.100 whose intellect

00:22:08.420 he really appreciated

00:22:10.000 and reveled in.

00:22:11.220 One of my favorite

00:22:12.020 little details

00:22:12.820 about their bond

00:22:13.920 was every Sunday

00:22:15.820 he would read

00:22:16.380 the New York Times

00:22:17.240 book review

00:22:17.920 and he would circle

00:22:18.800 all the titles

00:22:19.560 he was interested in

00:22:20.660 and by the end

00:22:21.540 of the week,

00:22:22.040 Jackie would make sure

00:22:22.940 all of those books

00:22:23.820 were piled

00:22:24.420 on his nightstand.

00:22:26.620 They were both

00:22:27.660 voracious readers

00:22:28.760 who loved history

00:22:31.020 and they were

00:22:32.040 true intellects

00:22:33.120 but they also

00:22:33.640 loved gossip.

00:22:34.640 They were like

00:22:35.080 bitchy little gossips

00:22:36.160 together,

00:22:37.040 you know,

00:22:37.740 so it wasn't

00:22:38.780 all dark.

00:22:40.040 You know,

00:22:40.280 there were these

00:22:40.920 really interesting,

00:22:43.820 unique things

00:22:44.520 that really made them

00:22:45.700 such an exceptional couple.

00:22:48.060 How do we know

00:22:49.420 the story

00:22:50.100 about what she did

00:22:51.400 when alone

00:22:52.040 with his dying body?

00:22:54.420 And that

00:22:55.580 had actually

00:22:57.260 been reported before.

00:22:58.940 It was in another

00:23:00.240 biography

00:23:00.980 but there have been

00:23:01.920 so many

00:23:02.700 and so often

00:23:04.320 many of them

00:23:05.260 will just have

00:23:05.700 one or two

00:23:06.360 new pieces of information

00:23:07.560 and they kind of

00:23:08.360 get lost.

00:23:09.680 They also

00:23:10.740 have never been

00:23:11.980 sort of put together

00:23:13.100 in this kind

00:23:14.080 of a framework,

00:23:15.220 you know,

00:23:15.960 the Kennedy women

00:23:16.860 and how

00:23:18.220 those who survived

00:23:20.380 really psychologically

00:23:22.720 willed themselves

00:23:24.960 to.

00:23:25.920 And so when I came

00:23:26.740 across that piece

00:23:27.660 of information,

00:23:28.740 I mean,

00:23:29.040 it blew my mind.

00:23:30.120 I was like,

00:23:30.800 how do more people

00:23:32.620 not know this?

00:23:34.520 It's similar to,

00:23:36.060 so she had given

00:23:38.280 a series of interviews

00:23:39.520 after the assassination

00:23:40.700 and they've been sealed

00:23:42.280 until 100 years

00:23:44.280 after JFK's death.

00:23:45.560 So they're sealed

00:23:46.160 until 2063.

00:23:47.320 And one of the reasons

00:23:51.340 was she said something

00:23:52.500 that she came to

00:23:53.420 heartily regret

00:23:54.560 and nobody really

00:23:56.220 knew what it was

00:23:57.080 and I reached out

00:23:57.880 to that historian's son

00:23:59.360 and he shared

00:24:00.740 with me this like

00:24:01.720 four-page

00:24:02.560 handwritten note

00:24:03.560 Jackie had sent him

00:24:05.120 years later

00:24:06.420 and he told me

00:24:08.380 that his father

00:24:09.020 had been in love

00:24:10.020 with Jackie

00:24:10.620 and she had told him

00:24:12.800 that the night

00:24:13.400 before the assassination

00:24:14.520 she and the president

00:24:15.720 had had sex

00:24:16.780 and that they were

00:24:17.420 hoping for another baby

00:24:18.700 and she later had

00:24:20.400 what we in the trade

00:24:21.620 call source remorse.

00:24:23.220 She was sorry

00:24:23.700 she had said it.

00:24:24.560 She begged him

00:24:25.260 to remove it

00:24:26.960 from his account

00:24:28.040 of the,

00:24:28.640 you know,

00:24:28.940 the authorized account

00:24:29.880 of the assassination

00:24:30.620 death of a president

00:24:31.660 and he did.

00:24:34.140 But that sort of goes

00:24:35.780 to the private Jackie

00:24:37.200 who was quite sexual

00:24:40.060 and really wanted,

00:24:42.740 you know,

00:24:42.960 she wanted such a better

00:24:44.400 sex life with her husband.

00:24:45.640 She actually went

00:24:46.440 and spoke to a doctor

00:24:47.500 about it

00:24:48.240 as first lady,

00:24:50.720 which,

00:24:51.060 you know,

00:24:51.300 it's placing an enormous

00:24:52.420 amount of trust

00:24:53.140 in somebody

00:24:53.640 not to squeal

00:24:54.460 that you're basically

00:24:55.100 saying your husband's

00:24:57.080 a two-pump chump,

00:24:58.160 you know,

00:24:58.700 and what can you do to him?

00:24:59.800 That's,

00:25:00.160 well,

00:25:00.300 that's one of the themes

00:25:01.100 that emerges

00:25:01.740 throughout this

00:25:02.940 is that sex with JFK

00:25:04.340 would be about

00:25:05.700 three minutes long.

00:25:06.820 He would never kiss you

00:25:07.760 on the lips

00:25:08.260 and if he even

00:25:09.220 took off his clothes,

00:25:10.620 it was a big deal.

00:25:11.620 Like,

00:25:12.000 basically just whipped it out

00:25:13.180 and had sex

00:25:13.760 and moved on.

00:25:14.300 I mean,

00:25:14.400 it was just,

00:25:15.200 it sounds completely

00:25:16.000 transactional

00:25:16.780 and unpleasant,

00:25:17.820 frankly.

00:25:18.620 I guess he got away

00:25:19.480 with it because

00:25:19.940 he was Jack Kennedy.

00:25:21.020 But what happened

00:25:22.300 with Jackie,

00:25:24.220 both with respect

00:25:25.340 to Marilyn Monroe,

00:25:26.340 that's interesting,

00:25:27.340 and then with respect

00:25:28.400 to Aristotle Onassis,

00:25:29.880 I had no idea

00:25:31.560 and I also had no idea

00:25:33.540 of the new portrait

00:25:34.200 you paint of JFK Jr.

00:25:35.780 and his relationship

00:25:36.560 with Carolyn Bessette.

00:25:38.340 That, too,

00:25:39.460 was not the Camelot

00:25:40.920 that was portrayed

00:25:42.020 by the media

00:25:42.820 and you've got

00:25:44.060 such an interesting theory

00:25:45.100 on him

00:25:45.680 and the risk-taking

00:25:47.880 that was definitely

00:25:49.400 connected to how he died

00:25:50.620 and she died

00:25:51.520 and her sister died.

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00:26:55.320 Let's talk about

00:26:56.380 the Marilyn Monroe moment

00:26:57.840 where she famously

00:26:59.860 appeared at his birthday party.

00:27:02.360 He was the sitting president

00:27:03.600 of the United States.

00:27:04.540 She was the biggest star

00:27:05.440 in the world.

00:27:06.940 She showed up

00:27:07.900 in the saucy dress

00:27:09.520 that Kim Kardashian

00:27:10.780 would get years later

00:27:13.580 and show up

00:27:14.200 at the Met Gala in.

00:27:16.360 I just threw up

00:27:17.080 a little in my mouth.

00:27:18.680 And Marilyn,

00:27:19.780 who just oozed

00:27:21.280 sex appeal

00:27:22.260 very naturally,

00:27:23.960 like no one before

00:27:25.140 or since,

00:27:26.500 sang happy birthday

00:27:27.700 in an incredibly sultry

00:27:29.440 and sexy way.

00:27:32.100 You write about that moment

00:27:33.460 and you write about

00:27:34.540 Jacqueline Kennedy's

00:27:35.860 reaction to it.

00:27:37.320 Tell us.

00:27:38.240 Yeah, I mean,

00:27:38.920 this was one of those,

00:27:40.840 like,

00:27:41.400 it's on par

00:27:42.340 with the moon landing

00:27:43.420 in terms of

00:27:44.380 an unprecedented moment

00:27:45.840 in American culture.

00:27:47.720 So Marilyn,

00:27:49.120 who right before that,

00:27:50.540 by the way,

00:27:51.240 had been backstage

00:27:52.140 in her green room

00:27:53.420 with Bobby,

00:27:55.680 Jack's brother,

00:27:57.260 having sex with him

00:27:59.080 and then takes the stage.

00:28:02.240 She's a little drunk.

00:28:03.600 She's a little sort of

00:28:04.600 feeling it

00:28:05.240 from her little tryst.

00:28:07.760 Takes the stage

00:28:08.700 at Madison Square Garden,

00:28:10.400 a packed house

00:28:11.460 of 25,000,

00:28:12.640 30,000 people.

00:28:13.640 The president

00:28:14.700 of the United States,

00:28:15.860 the married president

00:28:17.040 of the United States

00:28:18.240 in the audience,

00:28:19.960 who's happy birthday

00:28:21.160 to him

00:28:21.800 in such a way

00:28:23.200 that she is telling

00:28:24.480 the world,

00:28:25.420 we are having an affair.

00:28:27.960 Jackie Kennedy,

00:28:31.460 full well knowing

00:28:32.340 what's about

00:28:33.380 to probably happen,

00:28:35.500 stays at home

00:28:36.440 with her horses

00:28:37.400 and her children,

00:28:39.220 says nothing,

00:28:40.180 does nothing,

00:28:40.880 but sends

00:28:41.600 in her absence

00:28:42.680 a very clear message

00:28:44.260 that your first lady

00:28:45.820 shares your values

00:28:48.060 and is also appalled.

00:28:50.740 And what also

00:28:52.460 is interesting

00:28:53.360 about Jackie

00:28:54.140 is that

00:28:54.920 for all of

00:28:56.040 JFK's affairs,

00:28:57.500 this one

00:28:58.100 threatened her

00:28:58.620 the most.

00:28:59.860 This one,

00:29:01.440 if this had gotten out,

00:29:02.640 it would have been

00:29:03.240 the most humiliating.

00:29:04.600 Marilyn Monroe

00:29:05.260 was the biggest

00:29:06.300 sex symbol

00:29:07.400 on the planet.

00:29:09.480 She threatened Jack.

00:29:10.740 She said,

00:29:11.100 if you don't cut this off now

00:29:12.280 and have zero contact

00:29:13.860 with her again,

00:29:14.880 I'm going to divorce you,

00:29:16.680 I'm going to take the kids,

00:29:18.080 and you can kiss

00:29:18.840 a second term goodbye.

00:29:20.920 And what did Jack do?

00:29:22.340 That was it.

00:29:23.280 Cut her off.

00:29:23.880 And that led

00:29:25.680 to Marilyn's

00:29:26.500 decompensation

00:29:27.580 and ultimate death,

00:29:29.140 which he and Bobby

00:29:30.500 probably had a hand in.

00:29:33.740 Bobby Kennedy

00:29:34.460 was in L.A.

00:29:36.440 on the day

00:29:36.900 Marilyn died.

00:29:38.940 And Bobby Kennedy's

00:29:40.460 son,

00:29:41.180 RFKJ,

00:29:41.980 was on our show

00:29:42.980 and I asked him

00:29:43.780 about theories

00:29:44.500 that his dad

00:29:45.360 had something to do

00:29:46.020 with her death.

00:29:46.740 And he said,

00:29:47.460 the only people

00:29:47.940 who say that

00:29:48.500 are people

00:29:48.800 who are trying

00:29:49.160 to sell books.

00:29:49.780 It's not true.

00:29:51.180 But there's a lot

00:29:52.480 of evidence

00:29:52.860 to show that

00:29:53.340 Bobby Kennedy

00:29:53.780 was in L.A.

00:29:55.120 on the day

00:29:55.580 that she died.

00:29:56.980 But there's not

00:29:58.240 evidence that he

00:29:59.280 killed her

00:30:00.180 or, you know,

00:30:01.160 had a hand in it

00:30:01.860 directly.

00:30:02.280 It's just suspicion.

00:30:04.000 But it's not

00:30:04.780 suspicion, Maureen,

00:30:05.620 that both Bobby

00:30:06.340 and JFK

00:30:07.660 helped ruin this woman.

00:30:10.660 They tossed her

00:30:11.860 around like a

00:30:12.640 sexual play thing.

00:30:14.280 They would call

00:30:15.500 their father,

00:30:16.440 Joe,

00:30:16.940 with Marilyn

00:30:18.400 on the phone

00:30:19.940 to prove

00:30:20.600 that they were

00:30:21.120 having sex

00:30:21.760 with her.

00:30:22.440 She was like

00:30:22.780 a trophy.

00:30:24.140 She was this

00:30:24.700 disposable toy.

00:30:26.720 I mean,

00:30:27.040 dogs treat

00:30:27.760 their chew toys

00:30:28.660 with a little

00:30:29.720 more care.

00:30:31.060 What they did

00:30:31.720 to her

00:30:32.300 was an abomination.

00:30:34.720 And Bobby

00:30:35.440 was in L.A.

00:30:37.000 on the day

00:30:37.480 she died.

00:30:38.280 That's part

00:30:39.020 of historical record.

00:30:40.880 There was audio

00:30:42.120 that disappeared

00:30:43.820 after her death

00:30:44.940 that 20 or

00:30:46.740 30 years later

00:30:47.620 another journalist

00:30:48.560 found,

00:30:49.600 worked with

00:30:50.500 a former

00:30:51.480 detective

00:30:52.000 with LAPD.

00:30:53.900 On that audio,

00:30:56.000 Bobby is heard

00:30:57.080 in Marilyn's house

00:30:58.860 yelling at Marilyn,

00:31:00.760 where is it?

00:31:02.160 Where the fuck

00:31:02.920 is it?

00:31:03.740 We need it.

00:31:05.460 We will make

00:31:06.360 any arrangements

00:31:07.160 you want,

00:31:08.100 but it's important

00:31:09.020 to the family.

00:31:10.560 And then on that audio,

00:31:12.240 you hear a thump.

00:31:13.800 So something

00:31:14.620 or someone

00:31:15.880 got pushed

00:31:17.240 into a wall

00:31:18.280 or down

00:31:18.900 on the floor.

00:31:21.500 I'm going to say

00:31:22.720 maybe 30 years later,

00:31:24.700 ABC News,

00:31:25.960 so this is the 80s,

00:31:27.040 so 20 years later,

00:31:28.620 ABC News

00:31:29.540 was about

00:31:30.900 to run

00:31:31.520 a prime time

00:31:33.480 special

00:31:34.020 under the news

00:31:35.140 banner

00:31:35.560 about what happened

00:31:37.420 to Marilyn Monroe

00:31:38.160 and the Kennedy

00:31:38.940 Brothers'

00:31:39.500 involvement

00:31:39.920 and they

00:31:41.340 had that audio.

00:31:44.200 Within hours

00:31:45.540 of airtime,

00:31:46.700 the head

00:31:47.020 of ABC News

00:31:47.980 yanked it.

00:31:50.420 He was

00:31:51.260 very close

00:31:52.060 with Ethel Kennedy,

00:31:53.120 but claimed

00:31:53.980 that there was

00:31:54.560 no conflict

00:31:55.980 of interest

00:31:56.560 in said decision.

00:31:58.460 And Megan,

00:31:59.220 you know,

00:31:59.720 I know,

00:32:00.240 I think we've

00:32:00.740 talked about this

00:32:01.500 a bit,

00:32:02.080 but,

00:32:02.580 you know,

00:32:03.220 for those

00:32:04.580 elitists

00:32:06.380 or members

00:32:07.120 of the establishment

00:32:08.000 who laugh

00:32:08.640 at those Americans

00:32:09.420 who believe

00:32:10.140 that there's

00:32:10.600 a deep state,

00:32:12.180 you read stuff

00:32:13.800 like this

00:32:14.480 and you understand

00:32:15.420 why.

00:32:16.800 Yeah.

00:32:17.580 The FBI

00:32:18.140 was bugging

00:32:18.660 her phones.

00:32:20.360 And CIA.

00:32:21.240 They were bugging

00:32:22.020 her.

00:32:22.620 They had her

00:32:23.040 phone records.

00:32:23.800 What else

00:32:24.140 goes missing

00:32:24.620 after her death?

00:32:26.220 Phone records

00:32:27.400 uncovered later

00:32:28.420 by a British

00:32:29.060 journalist

00:32:29.520 named Anthony

00:32:30.460 Summers.

00:32:31.140 You can read

00:32:31.540 it in his book

00:32:32.240 Goddess

00:32:32.660 about Marilyn.

00:32:35.380 About eight

00:32:36.680 desperate calls

00:32:37.740 that Marilyn

00:32:38.280 had made

00:32:38.820 to Bobby

00:32:39.380 at the Department

00:32:40.140 of Justice

00:32:40.820 when he was

00:32:41.480 serving as

00:32:41.920 Attorney General

00:32:42.620 of the United

00:32:43.200 States.

00:32:44.540 Those had gone

00:32:45.440 missing.

00:32:46.720 Why?

00:32:47.360 Who got them?

00:32:47.940 Where'd they go?

00:32:48.680 Why were they

00:32:49.240 vanished?

00:32:50.100 Who were they

00:32:50.520 protecting?

00:32:51.680 And what was

00:32:52.060 she calling

00:32:52.440 about?

00:32:53.960 What was she

00:32:54.800 calling about?

00:32:56.180 Which,

00:32:56.980 yeah.

00:32:58.880 Look,

00:32:59.420 we know

00:33:00.020 from the Ted

00:33:01.100 Kennedy,

00:33:01.780 Mary Jo

00:33:02.160 Kopechny

00:33:02.540 story,

00:33:03.400 what the

00:33:03.720 Kennedys

00:33:04.020 will do

00:33:04.380 to cover

00:33:04.760 up a

00:33:05.660 family member's

00:33:06.500 sick deed.

00:33:08.040 And that

00:33:08.840 involved what

00:33:09.880 was essentially

00:33:10.380 a murder.

00:33:11.360 I mean,

00:33:11.560 it was,

00:33:12.400 he drove

00:33:13.040 off that

00:33:13.800 bridge,

00:33:14.540 not intentionally,

00:33:15.680 but while

00:33:16.260 drunk with

00:33:17.220 this 29-year-old

00:33:18.120 woman in the

00:33:18.600 car,

00:33:19.240 and he

00:33:19.920 left her.

00:33:20.780 You document

00:33:21.240 this very well

00:33:21.820 in the book

00:33:22.140 too.

00:33:22.500 He left

00:33:23.240 her to

00:33:24.240 die in

00:33:25.600 that car

00:33:26.240 when she

00:33:26.820 was

00:33:27.120 savable.

00:33:28.440 And the

00:33:28.840 reaction of the

00:33:29.420 Kennedy family

00:33:29.960 was not,

00:33:30.480 that's

00:33:30.720 terrible,

00:33:31.280 take

00:33:31.440 responsibility.

00:33:32.600 It was

00:33:33.160 to deny,

00:33:34.720 protect,

00:33:35.740 cover up,

00:33:36.580 and save

00:33:37.260 his career,

00:33:38.720 which they

00:33:39.160 did.

00:33:40.720 You know,

00:33:41.640 I'm so glad

00:33:42.360 you brought

00:33:42.780 this portion

00:33:43.460 of the book

00:33:43.880 up because

00:33:44.320 this is

00:33:44.800 really what

00:33:45.540 inspired me

00:33:47.040 to write

00:33:47.600 this book.

00:33:48.640 I remember

00:33:49.760 watching the

00:33:51.080 funeral of

00:33:51.660 Ted Kennedy

00:33:52.240 on American

00:33:53.140 television,

00:33:54.220 which was

00:33:54.540 wall-to-wall

00:33:55.720 coverage.

00:33:56.300 He's lying

00:33:57.360 in state

00:33:57.880 in the

00:33:58.160 Capitol.

00:33:59.560 Thousands

00:33:59.940 of Americans

00:34:00.560 are flying

00:34:01.140 from all

00:34:01.800 over the

00:34:02.120 country to

00:34:02.600 pay their

00:34:03.000 respects.

00:34:04.360 The news,

00:34:05.360 these guys

00:34:06.200 are on

00:34:06.700 TV,

00:34:07.100 these Kennedy

00:34:07.660 loving so-called

00:34:09.000 journos,

00:34:09.920 weeping and

00:34:10.520 rending their

00:34:11.020 garments,

00:34:11.620 the last

00:34:12.080 lion of the

00:34:12.800 Senate,

00:34:13.620 last living

00:34:14.220 Kennedy

00:34:14.580 brother.

00:34:15.300 Did I

00:34:15.680 hear the

00:34:16.180 words

00:34:16.780 Chappaquiddick

00:34:18.640 once?

00:34:19.400 Did we

00:34:19.980 hear the

00:34:20.380 name Mary

00:34:21.180 Jo

00:34:21.460 Kopechny

00:34:22.200 once?

00:34:23.380 He's

00:34:23.820 eulogized

00:34:24.640 by President

00:34:25.420 Obama and

00:34:26.280 Statesman.

00:34:27.220 Nobody had

00:34:27.800 a word to

00:34:28.200 say about

00:34:28.560 this woman

00:34:29.020 and I

00:34:29.560 was inflamed.

00:34:30.840 It just

00:34:31.140 incensed me.

00:34:32.720 This young

00:34:33.240 woman,

00:34:34.080 who was a

00:34:34.720 29-year-old

00:34:35.740 virgin,

00:34:37.220 was torn

00:34:38.820 to shreds

00:34:39.620 reputationally

00:34:40.580 by the

00:34:40.960 Kennedys.

00:34:42.040 What was

00:34:42.420 she doing

00:34:42.780 in his

00:34:43.100 car with

00:34:43.660 a married

00:34:44.200 senator

00:34:44.700 late at

00:34:45.320 night?

00:34:46.020 Why wasn't

00:34:46.580 she wearing

00:34:47.080 underwear?

00:34:47.980 She must

00:34:48.440 have had

00:34:48.820 it coming.

00:34:49.740 So here's

00:34:50.180 Ted Kennedy.

00:34:51.100 Here's what

00:34:51.460 he does

00:34:51.820 that night.

00:34:52.420 Here's what

00:34:52.700 the media

00:34:53.100 never reports

00:34:53.940 about.

00:34:54.240 He gets

00:34:55.520 out of

00:34:55.740 that car.

00:34:56.660 She's

00:34:57.060 stuck in

00:34:57.440 there,

00:34:58.400 upside down,

00:34:59.300 her head

00:34:59.640 craned at

00:35:00.360 this painful

00:35:01.760 angle,

00:35:02.820 surviving on

00:35:03.760 an air

00:35:04.180 pocket.

00:35:05.620 Instead of

00:35:06.860 going for

00:35:07.380 help,

00:35:08.260 he passes

00:35:09.120 by lit

00:35:10.160 houses.

00:35:11.300 He passes

00:35:11.960 by a fire

00:35:13.080 department.

00:35:14.380 He passes

00:35:15.300 by pay

00:35:15.840 phones.

00:35:16.800 He goes

00:35:17.140 back to

00:35:17.640 his inn.

00:35:18.360 He goes

00:35:18.880 up there,

00:35:19.840 calls down

00:35:20.260 to the

00:35:20.460 front desk.

00:35:21.440 There's a

00:35:21.820 party next

00:35:22.460 door.

00:35:22.780 It's

00:35:23.300 ruining

00:35:23.660 his ability

00:35:24.280 to sleep.

00:35:25.060 Won't

00:35:25.260 they do

00:35:25.600 something

00:35:25.860 about

00:35:26.200 that?

00:35:27.100 Goes

00:35:27.360 to

00:35:27.560 sleep.

00:35:28.820 Loses

00:35:29.460 not a

00:35:29.860 wink.

00:35:30.380 Wakes

00:35:30.640 up.

00:35:31.880 Showers,

00:35:32.780 shaves,

00:35:33.460 has a

00:35:33.780 hearty

00:35:34.120 breakfast,

00:35:34.740 says

00:35:34.940 hellos to

00:35:35.760 people at

00:35:36.260 the inn.

00:35:37.440 Then he

00:35:38.040 goes to

00:35:38.480 the police

00:35:38.960 department

00:35:39.460 and informs

00:35:40.360 the chief

00:35:40.920 while standing

00:35:41.760 behind the

00:35:42.780 chief's own

00:35:43.220 desk that

00:35:44.120 he,

00:35:44.840 Ted Kennedy,

00:35:45.620 would like

00:35:46.040 to make a

00:35:46.460 statement about

00:35:47.160 a little

00:35:47.480 incident he

00:35:48.080 had the

00:35:48.420 night before.

00:35:48.960 It's

00:35:51.800 horrifying.

00:35:53.120 You point

00:35:53.740 out in the

00:35:54.020 book,

00:35:54.760 she did

00:35:55.240 not drown.

00:35:56.500 She did

00:35:56.840 not drown.

00:35:57.400 That's not

00:35:57.720 how she

00:35:58.080 died.

00:35:59.060 She suffocated

00:36:00.120 to death

00:36:00.720 when that

00:36:02.180 air pocket

00:36:02.820 ran out

00:36:03.640 and was

00:36:04.540 likely very

00:36:05.220 aware of

00:36:05.700 what was

00:36:05.940 happening to

00:36:06.480 her.

00:36:07.620 And yet

00:36:08.240 his reputation

00:36:09.540 got completely

00:36:10.580 whitewashed

00:36:11.720 by a family

00:36:12.940 that knows

00:36:13.960 how to do

00:36:14.460 it.

00:36:15.000 And frankly,

00:36:15.580 I think this

00:36:16.040 is the

00:36:16.280 reference you

00:36:16.660 were making

00:36:16.980 earlier to

00:36:17.920 RFKJ and

00:36:19.320 his attempts

00:36:19.880 to rehabilitate

00:36:20.820 this Michael

00:36:22.400 Skakel,

00:36:23.200 who's also a

00:36:23.820 Kennedy.

00:36:24.360 He's got a

00:36:24.700 different last

00:36:25.080 name, but

00:36:25.320 he's a

00:36:25.600 Kennedy,

00:36:26.380 accused of

00:36:27.000 murdering.

00:36:28.160 He was a

00:36:28.560 kid at the

00:36:28.880 time himself,

00:36:29.840 15-year-old

00:36:31.140 Martha Moxley.

00:36:32.100 Kennedy denied

00:36:32.640 it on my

00:36:33.200 show a

00:36:34.100 month ago.

00:36:34.940 This came

00:36:35.320 up again,

00:36:35.940 and he

00:36:36.320 denied it,

00:36:36.840 tried to

00:36:37.080 blame it on

00:36:37.520 these two

00:36:38.020 kids who

00:36:38.640 weren't from

00:36:39.080 this Tony

00:36:39.560 neighborhood in

00:36:40.480 Greenwich.

00:36:42.320 But I

00:36:43.540 believe 100%

00:36:44.860 that Michael

00:36:45.240 Skakel

00:36:45.600 committed this

00:36:46.120 crime.

00:36:46.280 The point

00:36:46.860 is they

00:36:47.400 rally,

00:36:48.420 they have

00:36:48.880 power,

00:36:49.800 they have

00:36:50.140 connections,

00:36:50.660 and they

00:36:51.380 have a

00:36:51.660 history of

00:36:52.860 rallying those

00:36:53.560 wagons,

00:36:54.620 not in a

00:36:55.420 search for

00:36:55.760 truth at

00:36:56.500 all, but

00:36:57.340 to make

00:36:57.680 sure if

00:36:58.080 anything is

00:36:58.520 wrong, it

00:36:59.080 is covered

00:36:59.480 up and

00:36:59.920 somebody else

00:37:00.420 gets blamed.

00:37:02.160 So Martha

00:37:03.120 Moxley was a

00:37:04.020 15-year-old

00:37:05.700 girl, a

00:37:06.880 beautiful,

00:37:08.280 popular,

00:37:09.820 vivacious

00:37:10.440 girl who

00:37:12.080 loved life,

00:37:13.620 and Michael

00:37:14.100 Skakel had a

00:37:14.780 thing for

00:37:15.140 her.

00:37:16.000 When the

00:37:16.560 police found

00:37:17.360 her on

00:37:19.120 her own

00:37:19.820 property,

00:37:20.900 they thought

00:37:21.740 Martha was a

00:37:22.560 redhead.

00:37:23.520 She was a

00:37:23.920 white blonde.

00:37:25.220 That's how

00:37:25.700 savagely she

00:37:26.940 was beaten.

00:37:28.180 Her hair was

00:37:29.360 soaked in

00:37:30.040 blood.

00:37:30.640 And what was

00:37:31.300 she beaten to

00:37:32.000 death with?

00:37:32.880 A golf club

00:37:34.160 that came from

00:37:35.380 Michael Skakel's

00:37:36.260 house that was

00:37:38.020 emblazoned with

00:37:39.160 his mother's

00:37:39.960 initials.

00:37:40.740 Bobby Jr.

00:37:42.440 has a lot

00:37:43.040 to answer

00:37:43.500 for here

00:37:44.180 because for

00:37:45.100 years he's

00:37:46.140 been banging

00:37:46.620 this drum

00:37:47.300 that two

00:37:48.440 teenagers,

00:37:49.820 one black,

00:37:51.040 one mixed

00:37:51.600 race,

00:37:52.860 traveled all

00:37:53.700 the way from

00:37:54.340 the Bronx

00:37:54.960 to get

00:37:56.060 themselves there

00:37:57.000 to go

00:37:57.900 quote caveman

00:37:59.600 on a teenage

00:38:01.100 girl because

00:38:02.220 they were

00:38:02.600 obsessed with

00:38:03.220 her beautiful

00:38:03.840 blonde hair.

00:38:04.680 You name me

00:38:05.300 a single

00:38:05.960 conservative who

00:38:06.900 could talk

00:38:07.480 like this

00:38:08.220 and accuse

00:38:09.760 with no

00:38:10.840 basis in

00:38:11.400 fact two

00:38:12.640 young boys

00:38:13.260 of color

00:38:13.760 by name

00:38:14.960 of this

00:38:15.640 heinous crime

00:38:16.520 that can

00:38:17.240 only be

00:38:17.980 linked to

00:38:19.000 the Skakel

00:38:19.820 house and

00:38:20.980 have them

00:38:21.920 be able to

00:38:22.840 run for

00:38:23.300 president.

00:38:24.160 You've got

00:38:25.160 to be kidding

00:38:25.860 me.

00:38:26.180 He has a

00:38:26.780 lot to

00:38:27.240 answer for

00:38:27.760 with this.

00:38:29.320 I've read

00:38:29.980 a lot about

00:38:30.380 that case.

00:38:30.880 I love

00:38:32.060 true crime,

00:38:32.740 so I follow

00:38:33.160 a lot of

00:38:33.500 this stuff.

00:38:34.500 And I know

00:38:34.860 Dominique Dunn

00:38:35.720 did the

00:38:36.480 reporting you

00:38:36.960 mentioned

00:38:37.220 earlier.

00:38:37.760 Mark

00:38:37.960 Furman wrote

00:38:38.520 a whole

00:38:38.740 book about

00:38:39.120 this, which

00:38:39.460 is well

00:38:39.760 worth your

00:38:40.160 time.

00:38:41.040 And then

00:38:41.280 RFKJ wrote

00:38:42.200 his own

00:38:42.500 book trying

00:38:42.900 to rehabilitate

00:38:43.840 Michael Skakel.

00:38:45.300 But I know

00:38:45.880 from that

00:38:46.260 reading,

00:38:47.120 Michael Skakel

00:38:47.820 was big on

00:38:48.740 animal torture

00:38:49.940 and admitted

00:38:51.740 he was in

00:38:52.880 a tree jerking

00:38:53.840 off to

00:38:54.340 Martha Moxley

00:38:55.460 shortly before

00:38:56.680 the murder.

00:38:57.640 Who does

00:38:58.880 that?

00:38:59.680 First of all,

00:39:00.160 animal torture

00:39:00.760 is almost

00:39:02.200 always a

00:39:02.840 precursor to

00:39:04.060 human murder.

00:39:05.680 And who

00:39:06.880 jerks off

00:39:07.700 in a tree

00:39:08.360 and admits

00:39:08.940 it to a

00:39:09.860 girl who

00:39:10.120 just happens

00:39:10.540 to get

00:39:10.880 killed later

00:39:11.500 that day?

00:39:12.100 The theory

00:39:12.480 was that

00:39:13.100 he was

00:39:13.820 mad.

00:39:14.340 She may

00:39:14.620 have fooled

00:39:14.880 around with

00:39:15.220 his brother,

00:39:15.740 but not

00:39:16.020 him.

00:39:16.300 But he

00:39:16.500 had had

00:39:16.840 a lot

00:39:17.980 of

00:39:18.520 behavioral,

00:39:19.540 very bizarre

00:39:20.560 troubles prior

00:39:22.520 to the night

00:39:22.960 Martha was

00:39:23.540 killed.

00:39:23.860 And her

00:39:24.080 own diaries

00:39:24.640 reflect she

00:39:25.600 was afraid

00:39:26.220 of him and

00:39:26.800 saw that

00:39:27.180 he was bizarre.

00:39:28.800 She knew

00:39:29.180 she should

00:39:29.540 stay away

00:39:29.920 from him.

00:39:30.260 Yeah,

00:39:31.300 her own

00:39:31.680 diaries.

00:39:32.580 And,

00:39:32.800 you know,

00:39:33.420 to this

00:39:33.800 point,

00:39:34.320 it's not

00:39:34.920 just the

00:39:36.260 Kennedy men.

00:39:37.300 There's such

00:39:37.960 a sickness

00:39:38.460 in that

00:39:38.920 family and

00:39:39.520 it really

00:39:39.940 seeps into

00:39:40.460 the culture

00:39:41.140 and the

00:39:41.640 way we

00:39:41.960 talk about

00:39:42.480 these girls

00:39:42.940 and women

00:39:43.420 where the

00:39:44.440 women

00:39:45.200 themselves

00:39:46.140 defend

00:39:47.720 this

00:39:48.240 indefensible

00:39:49.000 behavior

00:39:49.620 against their

00:39:50.380 own

00:39:51.040 gender.

00:39:52.380 So,

00:39:52.640 Ethel

00:39:52.940 Kennedy,

00:39:54.120 the sainted

00:39:54.760 Ethel

00:39:55.260 Kennedy,

00:39:55.940 now she

00:39:56.440 too,

00:39:57.120 a widow,

00:39:57.940 you know,

00:39:58.240 her husband

00:39:58.640 slain by an

00:39:59.380 assassin.

00:40:00.120 She writes

00:40:00.620 a letter

00:40:01.120 to the

00:40:01.780 judge in

00:40:02.540 Michael's

00:40:03.060 case.

00:40:04.660 And she

00:40:05.360 surely intended

00:40:06.520 this letter

00:40:07.240 to become

00:40:07.720 public because

00:40:08.340 it was

00:40:08.620 published in

00:40:09.480 newspapers around

00:40:10.460 the country

00:40:10.860 in New York.

00:40:11.440 I think the

00:40:11.700 Daily News

00:40:12.160 published it.

00:40:13.460 And in

00:40:13.760 this letter,

00:40:14.860 she,

00:40:15.300 it's just a

00:40:16.020 litany of

00:40:16.680 poor Michael,

00:40:17.960 poor Michael.

00:40:19.020 Michael's

00:40:19.540 mother died.

00:40:20.940 Tragic,

00:40:21.380 yes,

00:40:21.660 but doesn't

00:40:22.600 excuse anything.

00:40:24.040 Michael's

00:40:24.380 mother died.

00:40:25.260 He struggled

00:40:25.820 so much.

00:40:26.880 He's got all

00:40:27.440 these problems.

00:40:28.280 He's just

00:40:28.740 doing his

00:40:29.460 best.

00:40:30.380 Please,

00:40:30.880 God,

00:40:31.260 this family

00:40:31.780 has had so

00:40:32.640 much loss,

00:40:33.700 like none

00:40:34.120 of itself

00:40:34.600 inflicted.

00:40:35.220 Are you

00:40:35.460 kidding me?

00:40:36.240 Please spare

00:40:37.020 poor Michael.

00:40:38.680 She never

00:40:39.480 said he

00:40:40.540 didn't do

00:40:41.080 it.

00:40:44.640 Let's go

00:40:45.320 back to

00:40:45.680 Aristotle

00:40:46.120 Onassis.

00:40:47.480 I didn't

00:40:48.240 know any

00:40:49.040 of this

00:40:49.500 stuff about

00:40:50.080 him.

00:40:50.480 All I

00:40:50.880 knew was

00:40:51.460 he had

00:40:52.060 billions and

00:40:52.900 billions of

00:40:53.400 dollars and

00:40:54.680 kind of

00:40:55.200 seemed to

00:40:55.920 rescue Jackie.

00:40:56.680 There's

00:40:57.180 a lot

00:40:57.800 more to

00:40:58.300 the story.

00:41:00.340 Yeah,

00:41:01.160 I mean,

00:41:01.560 Jackie,

00:41:02.120 for him,

00:41:03.460 that was

00:41:04.200 sort of

00:41:05.300 like landing

00:41:05.860 the hope

00:41:06.320 diamond,

00:41:06.820 the crown

00:41:07.280 jewel of

00:41:07.780 all crown

00:41:08.440 jewels.

00:41:09.080 He was

00:41:09.500 going to

00:41:10.080 acquire

00:41:10.700 the

00:41:11.680 sainted

00:41:12.100 Jacqueline

00:41:12.740 Kennedy,

00:41:13.360 the most

00:41:14.040 famous,

00:41:14.700 most admired

00:41:15.420 woman in

00:41:15.960 the world.

00:41:16.680 So they

00:41:17.440 sit down

00:41:18.240 to sort

00:41:18.660 of hash

00:41:19.120 this out

00:41:19.780 and they're

00:41:20.720 aware this

00:41:21.560 is a

00:41:21.980 brand

00:41:22.540 merger.

00:41:23.060 He needs

00:41:24.000 her so

00:41:25.020 he can

00:41:25.340 expand his

00:41:26.140 business in

00:41:27.080 America and

00:41:28.280 he also

00:41:28.840 needs her

00:41:29.540 respectability.

00:41:30.680 He is a

00:41:31.380 Bulgarian.

00:41:32.460 The world

00:41:33.160 knows it.

00:41:35.040 She needs

00:41:36.160 his money,

00:41:37.340 his security.

00:41:39.040 He has a

00:41:39.440 yacht that's

00:41:39.940 the size of

00:41:40.620 a Navy

00:41:41.240 destroyer and

00:41:42.640 she also

00:41:43.200 wants to

00:41:43.740 knock her

00:41:44.240 own reputation

00:41:45.080 down a peg.

00:41:46.140 She wants

00:41:46.640 some liberation

00:41:47.360 from this

00:41:48.020 confining role

00:41:49.280 as the

00:41:49.720 widow Kennedy.

00:41:50.480 So anyway,

00:41:51.080 they sit

00:41:51.700 down and

00:41:52.260 they hash

00:41:52.660 out,

00:41:53.980 what's her

00:41:54.820 cost?

00:41:55.620 What's the

00:41:56.200 price of

00:41:56.580 this great

00:41:57.200 good?

00:41:58.080 She

00:41:58.400 opens with

00:41:59.580 $20 million.

00:42:01.440 Aristotle

00:42:02.000 Onassis has

00:42:03.020 his people

00:42:03.480 counter back.

00:42:04.340 Your client

00:42:05.100 could price

00:42:06.680 herself out

00:42:07.420 of the

00:42:07.700 market.

00:42:08.460 I mean,

00:42:08.800 it's

00:42:09.360 amazing.

00:42:10.980 So they

00:42:11.240 settle on

00:42:11.920 a couple

00:42:12.680 of million

00:42:13.220 XYZ.

00:42:14.680 Next

00:42:14.960 comes the

00:42:15.960 marital

00:42:16.420 contract,

00:42:17.380 what we

00:42:17.780 call the

00:42:18.320 sex

00:42:18.820 contract.

00:42:20.900 How many

00:42:21.780 times she's

00:42:22.960 going to

00:42:23.180 have to

00:42:23.500 have sex

00:42:24.240 with this

00:42:24.820 gnome-like

00:42:25.680 Bulgarian?

00:42:26.900 By the

00:42:27.560 way,

00:42:28.840 a bisexual

00:42:29.640 who has a

00:42:31.000 penchant for

00:42:31.540 young boys

00:42:32.580 that he pays

00:42:33.760 for sex and

00:42:34.540 then savagely

00:42:35.280 beats afterward.

00:42:36.800 Oh, my.

00:42:39.160 Yeah.

00:42:39.860 I mean, you

00:42:40.360 couldn't make

00:42:40.940 this stuff up,

00:42:41.600 Megan.

00:42:42.300 I know it

00:42:42.920 sounds incredible

00:42:43.800 because it is.

00:42:44.740 You couldn't

00:42:45.120 make it up.

00:42:46.060 So they have

00:42:47.000 this sex

00:42:47.460 contract drawn

00:42:48.280 up.

00:42:49.400 She also

00:42:50.060 includes a

00:42:50.700 clause that

00:42:51.320 wherever they

00:42:52.200 are, they're

00:42:52.760 going to have

00:42:53.380 separate bedrooms.

00:42:54.600 There will not

00:42:55.040 be children

00:42:55.940 produced in

00:42:57.080 this marriage.

00:42:59.040 Soon, she's

00:42:59.940 like, I'm

00:43:00.480 out of here.

00:43:00.980 She's spending

00:43:01.400 more time in

00:43:02.200 New York than

00:43:02.940 she is with

00:43:03.420 him in Greece.

00:43:04.220 And he has

00:43:05.480 this thing.

00:43:05.960 He's so

00:43:06.420 resentful of

00:43:07.140 her, even

00:43:07.620 though he's

00:43:08.000 carrying on

00:43:08.700 publicly with

00:43:09.420 his former

00:43:10.460 lover, Maria

00:43:11.720 Callas, world

00:43:12.920 famous herself,

00:43:13.820 opera singer.

00:43:14.620 He will summon

00:43:15.580 her from her

00:43:16.220 penthouse in

00:43:16.820 New York just

00:43:17.780 to have sex

00:43:18.380 with her and

00:43:19.300 send her back.

00:43:20.300 And he would

00:43:20.920 tell everyone

00:43:21.680 in his orbit it

00:43:23.020 was to remind

00:43:23.900 Jackie of who

00:43:25.160 and what she

00:43:25.600 was to him.

00:43:27.820 He sounds like

00:43:28.860 a villain.

00:43:29.620 I had no idea.

00:43:30.980 But it is a

00:43:31.560 reminder, you

00:43:32.160 know, for people

00:43:32.600 on the outside

00:43:33.360 of these

00:43:34.280 incredibly powerful

00:43:35.400 circles and

00:43:36.160 families, we

00:43:38.300 are sold a

00:43:38.860 bill of goods.

00:43:39.540 Like, just

00:43:40.020 don't believe

00:43:40.720 it.

00:43:41.280 It's like her

00:43:42.100 poor, poor

00:43:44.080 Jackie.

00:43:44.700 I mean, I

00:43:44.940 realize she was

00:43:45.440 an adult.

00:43:45.860 She made her

00:43:46.200 own decisions.

00:43:46.640 But like, these

00:43:47.920 were not, these

00:43:48.960 were not good

00:43:49.300 marriages.

00:43:49.940 These were not

00:43:50.380 good situations.

00:43:51.620 You may be

00:43:52.140 sitting at home

00:43:52.560 right now with

00:43:53.700 your loving

00:43:54.220 spouse in the

00:43:55.340 Midwest in a

00:43:56.660 modest house with

00:43:57.980 nice kids and

00:43:59.220 nowhere near this

00:44:00.040 kind of paycheck.

00:44:01.240 Be thankful.

00:44:02.420 Be thankful.

00:44:03.000 Like, it's

00:44:04.140 just not the

00:44:05.220 way the media

00:44:06.200 and these

00:44:06.780 families themselves

00:44:07.480 portray it.

00:44:09.840 Especially vast

00:44:11.400 amounts of money

00:44:12.120 and political

00:44:12.620 power.

00:44:13.040 Those are

00:44:13.280 terrible goals

00:44:14.060 and people who

00:44:14.940 make those their

00:44:15.740 idols wind up

00:44:18.240 getting what they

00:44:18.780 deserve.

00:44:19.780 Okay, let's

00:44:20.600 talk about the

00:44:21.620 son, JFK Jr.,

00:44:24.040 because you and

00:44:25.460 I live this,

00:44:26.100 right?

00:44:26.260 Like, anybody

00:44:26.700 who's 50 remembers

00:44:27.980 everything about him,

00:44:29.300 basically, because,

00:44:30.140 you know, he was

00:44:30.860 born just a few

00:44:31.440 years before we

00:44:32.040 were, and he

00:44:33.760 was the god.

00:44:36.120 He was, like, the

00:44:37.080 biggest catch in

00:44:39.000 America.

00:44:39.780 I remember once he

00:44:41.360 failed the bar exam

00:44:42.160 three times in New

00:44:42.980 York State, and I

00:44:44.380 went to Albany

00:44:44.980 Law, which is in

00:44:45.880 New York State, and

00:44:46.920 he only passed the

00:44:48.920 bar exam.

00:44:49.600 Maybe he failed it

00:44:50.660 two times and he

00:44:51.440 passed it on the

00:44:51.920 third time.

00:44:52.600 He only passed it

00:44:53.640 because he came to

00:44:54.760 Albany Law School

00:44:55.500 one summer to study

00:44:57.160 for the New York

00:44:58.500 State bar exam, and

00:44:59.640 every woman there

00:45:01.360 was like, I'm

00:45:02.780 going to land

00:45:03.200 him.

00:45:03.760 It was hilarious

00:45:05.240 the number of

00:45:06.600 women who were

00:45:07.000 like, he's coming

00:45:08.380 here!

00:45:09.800 Well, Carolyn

00:45:11.020 Bessette is the

00:45:12.220 one who, quote,

00:45:12.980 landed him.

00:45:14.200 And while we all

00:45:15.620 know now that they

00:45:17.420 died in this

00:45:18.520 terrible, tragic,

00:45:20.300 awful plane crash

00:45:21.700 with him as the

00:45:23.860 pilot, along with

00:45:24.980 her sister, what I

00:45:27.160 didn't know was

00:45:28.160 that he had a

00:45:30.140 lifetime of

00:45:31.900 reckless decision

00:45:34.260 making, irresponsible

00:45:36.520 risk taking, and

00:45:38.640 this was just the

00:45:39.740 latest example in

00:45:41.780 what did kind of

00:45:43.280 look like a

00:45:44.520 death wish quest

00:45:46.180 for him.

00:45:48.500 This, you're so

00:45:49.900 right, this is

00:45:50.820 exactly the case,

00:45:52.100 and this goes

00:45:52.860 perfectly to what

00:45:53.920 you just said.

00:45:55.900 Don't believe the

00:45:58.040 images that you're

00:45:59.200 seeing of these

00:46:00.280 ultra-wealthy, ultra-

00:46:02.480 famous, ultra-

00:46:03.580 celebrated, and

00:46:04.500 envied people.

00:46:05.720 It's never like that

00:46:06.980 behind closed doors.

00:46:08.820 And Carolyn

00:46:09.420 Bessette, if this

00:46:10.680 book does anything,

00:46:12.080 will be the last

00:46:13.120 woman who marries

00:46:14.540 into that so-called

00:46:15.680 dynasty with the

00:46:17.220 idea that she has

00:46:18.220 landed a prize.

00:46:19.940 Back then, JFK

00:46:22.040 Jr. was in a

00:46:22.800 class of his own.

00:46:23.920 There was no

00:46:25.080 movie star, no

00:46:26.860 rock star, no

00:46:28.160 politician, no

00:46:29.560 royal, true royal,

00:46:31.620 who could compete

00:46:32.840 with JFK Jr.

00:46:35.240 The looks, the

00:46:36.700 legacy, the

00:46:37.960 regard, the

00:46:39.180 pedestal this

00:46:40.020 culture put him

00:46:41.140 on.

00:46:42.060 So Carolyn lands

00:46:43.380 him, thinking she's

00:46:44.720 won a prize.

00:46:45.680 And I promise

00:46:48.300 anyone who reads

00:46:49.460 this book will

00:46:49.940 come away going,

00:46:51.240 Carolyn very

00:46:52.060 quickly realized

00:46:53.080 that she landed

00:46:53.800 a booby prize.

00:46:55.460 Perhaps the

00:46:56.360 booby prize of

00:46:57.240 all.

00:46:57.780 This was a guy

00:46:58.640 who had never

00:46:59.500 been told no,

00:47:00.760 who had never

00:47:01.440 really struggled,

00:47:02.540 bar exam or

00:47:03.900 what.

00:47:04.320 Like, he was

00:47:04.920 sort of given a

00:47:06.100 lot of leeway and

00:47:07.080 special treatment in

00:47:07.980 order to finally

00:47:08.680 pass that thing.

00:47:09.600 He had a

00:47:11.980 lifetime, not

00:47:13.160 just of really

00:47:14.600 exhibiting a

00:47:15.760 death wish with

00:47:16.780 extremely risky

00:47:18.440 behavior, but he

00:47:19.920 had a penchant,

00:47:21.600 almost like a

00:47:22.580 kink, for

00:47:24.020 bringing the

00:47:24.940 women in his

00:47:25.640 life along and

00:47:27.140 risking their

00:47:27.820 lives as well.

00:47:29.220 So there's this

00:47:29.940 story in the

00:47:30.620 book, his first

00:47:31.880 serious girlfriend

00:47:32.780 in their late

00:47:34.340 teens, early

00:47:35.100 twenties, Christina

00:47:36.360 Hogg, and she

00:47:37.060 has written about

00:47:37.660 this, he takes

00:47:39.000 her out kayaking

00:47:39.940 on the open

00:47:41.180 water, the

00:47:42.080 ocean.

00:47:42.860 He knows

00:47:43.240 nothing about

00:47:44.100 it.

00:47:44.720 She's got her

00:47:45.360 leg in a

00:47:46.060 cast.

00:47:47.500 They almost get

00:47:48.380 killed multiple

00:47:49.400 times.

00:47:50.020 She begs him at

00:47:51.260 one point, let's

00:47:52.680 just wait for

00:47:53.280 help.

00:47:53.900 Let's just wait

00:47:54.700 for help.

00:47:55.160 And he says, no,

00:47:56.540 we're going back

00:47:57.580 out.

00:47:57.920 They barely

00:47:58.700 escape with their

00:47:59.420 lives after nearly

00:48:00.580 drowning, I'm

00:48:01.240 going to say four

00:48:01.760 or five times.

00:48:02.840 When they get

00:48:03.580 back, she says to

00:48:04.420 him, we could

00:48:05.940 have died out

00:48:06.640 there.

00:48:07.660 And he says

00:48:08.300 to her, yeah,

00:48:09.640 but what a

00:48:10.260 way to go.

00:48:12.320 So now let's

00:48:13.280 flash forward to

00:48:14.120 this flight and

00:48:15.080 we're about to

00:48:16.080 in America

00:48:16.840 undergo the

00:48:18.200 25th anniversary

00:48:19.320 of this thing

00:48:20.220 where we're all

00:48:21.360 going to be

00:48:21.700 told, oh, JFK

00:48:23.080 Jr., what a

00:48:23.820 shame.

00:48:24.300 What did we

00:48:24.700 lose?

00:48:25.140 We lost a

00:48:25.680 future president.

00:48:27.300 We should be

00:48:29.780 so relieved that

00:48:30.860 this guy would

00:48:31.420 never see the

00:48:32.060 inside of the

00:48:32.740 Oval Office.

00:48:34.160 He gets up in

00:48:35.380 that plane, a

00:48:36.980 plane that was

00:48:37.480 way too

00:48:37.920 powerful for

00:48:38.720 the likes of

00:48:39.300 him, a

00:48:39.720 beginning pilot,

00:48:40.820 not instrument

00:48:41.780 rated, didn't

00:48:43.340 know how to fly

00:48:43.920 this thing at

00:48:44.440 night.

00:48:45.540 Multiple other

00:48:46.260 pilots on the

00:48:46.980 tarmac that

00:48:47.580 night told him

00:48:48.300 not to go up.

00:48:49.520 They weren't and

00:48:50.520 they had way

00:48:51.060 more experience.

00:48:52.820 He breaks every

00:48:54.360 single rule of

00:48:55.040 aviation.

00:48:55.500 Now, a little

00:48:56.320 just backstory.

00:48:57.360 Everything in this

00:48:58.020 guy's life is

00:48:58.580 falling apart.

00:48:59.820 He's not talking

00:49:00.760 to his sister.

00:49:01.620 They're fighting

00:49:02.400 over Jackie's

00:49:03.080 estate.

00:49:03.640 His marriage is

00:49:04.800 falling apart.

00:49:05.780 He has moved

00:49:06.360 out.

00:49:07.400 His magazine is

00:49:09.240 about to fold.

00:49:11.120 His publisher has

00:49:12.200 sent him a letter

00:49:13.120 in which they

00:49:14.240 memorialize his

00:49:15.560 stewardship as

00:49:16.880 quote, lazy and

00:49:18.260 stupid.

00:49:20.080 He has zero

00:49:21.580 internal fortitude

00:49:22.860 to deal with any

00:49:24.980 of these failings.

00:49:25.820 He's about to be

00:49:26.620 humiliated.

00:49:27.620 JFK Jr.

00:49:29.040 on a massive

00:49:29.800 scale.

00:49:31.260 So what does he

00:49:31.880 do?

00:49:32.120 He gets in

00:49:32.820 that plane with

00:49:33.640 his wife and

00:49:34.460 his sister.

00:49:36.100 Doesn't file a

00:49:37.080 flight plan.

00:49:38.260 Doesn't check the

00:49:39.340 weather report.

00:49:40.080 You will see that

00:49:40.600 reported in other

00:49:41.400 biographies.

00:49:42.220 It is a lie.

00:49:43.440 In the NTSB

00:49:44.380 official report of

00:49:45.300 that crash, he

00:49:46.360 didn't do any of

00:49:46.940 that stuff.

00:49:47.480 He gets up there.

00:49:48.680 He cuts off

00:49:49.380 communication with

00:49:50.300 ground control and

00:49:51.700 he also disables his

00:49:54.200 automatic pilot.

00:49:55.900 Five minutes in,

00:49:56.700 what happens?

00:49:57.460 He's on a direct

00:49:58.500 collision course with

00:50:00.380 an American Airlines

00:50:01.960 plane full of 283

00:50:05.240 passengers.

00:50:06.440 The pilots of the

00:50:07.320 American Airlines

00:50:08.260 flight are frantically

00:50:09.380 trying to radio this

00:50:10.680 clueless pilot.

00:50:12.320 They can't get a hold

00:50:13.180 of him because he

00:50:13.760 turned everything off.

00:50:15.980 They call ground

00:50:16.800 controls like, yeah,

00:50:17.780 we can't reach him

00:50:18.480 either.

00:50:18.860 They have to divert so

00:50:20.060 this guy doesn't slam

00:50:21.040 into them and kill

00:50:22.020 hundreds of people

00:50:22.940 before he spirals

00:50:25.240 into the ocean.

00:50:27.600 Those bodies were

00:50:28.660 not left intact.

00:50:30.620 Hitting the ocean

00:50:31.360 the way he did,

00:50:32.260 that's like hitting

00:50:32.800 concrete.

00:50:33.740 But we never hear

00:50:34.660 any of this stuff.

00:50:35.880 We just hear, oh,

00:50:36.780 my God, what a

00:50:37.420 tragedy.

00:50:38.000 The Kennedy car

00:50:38.720 strikes again.

00:50:40.800 No, it wasn't a

00:50:42.580 curse.

00:50:43.080 It was his own

00:50:44.380 incessant need to

00:50:47.300 live a life of risk

00:50:49.240 and not just risk his

00:50:50.520 own, but risk the

00:50:51.600 life of his wife,

00:50:53.560 the life of his

00:50:54.540 sister-in-law.

00:50:55.400 And one of the

00:50:57.440 most stunning moments

00:50:59.340 for me when I was

00:50:59.820 reading it, Maureen,

00:51:00.420 was you quote

00:51:02.520 Carolyn's mother

00:51:04.400 at their rehearsal

00:51:06.500 dinner.

00:51:08.400 She knew this was

00:51:11.580 not going to end

00:51:12.360 well.

00:51:12.900 And she openly

00:51:14.340 said, I'm not sure

00:51:17.660 she should be

00:51:18.380 marrying you.

00:51:19.480 Like, she said it

00:51:20.940 publicly.

00:51:21.600 Like, I'm not

00:51:22.900 sure about this

00:51:24.540 marriage.

00:51:25.260 She understood,

00:51:26.640 obviously, from her

00:51:27.660 daughter, that the

00:51:29.780 image we'd been

00:51:30.880 getting fed did not

00:51:32.580 match up with the

00:51:33.180 reality.

00:51:34.320 No, and you just

00:51:35.480 put that wedding

00:51:36.100 photo up, which is

00:51:37.660 the photo that went

00:51:38.940 around the world,

00:51:40.500 right?

00:51:41.200 The Prince of

00:51:42.020 Camelot anoints his

00:51:44.000 princess.

00:51:45.740 And her mother,

00:51:46.720 imagine how bad it

00:51:47.980 had to be behind

00:51:49.820 the scenes.

00:51:50.420 Imagine how many

00:51:51.540 times, and it's in

00:51:52.660 the book, she had

00:51:53.520 tried to tell

00:51:54.080 Carolyn, get rid of

00:51:55.760 this guy, cut him

00:51:56.740 loose, he's a loser,

00:51:58.080 he's not good for

00:51:58.940 you, this won't end

00:52:00.220 well.

00:52:01.060 She has to say it at

00:52:03.360 the reception.

00:52:04.520 That's a real act of

00:52:05.700 desperation, to try

00:52:07.460 at that last moment

00:52:08.780 to throw a grenade

00:52:09.860 into this and make it

00:52:11.160 stop.

00:52:13.320 And she couldn't.

00:52:14.800 And she couldn't.

00:52:15.880 And three years into

00:52:17.200 the marriage, her

00:52:18.200 daughter would die as

00:52:19.160 a result of JFK

00:52:20.460 Jr.'s risky

00:52:21.580 behaviors, which

00:52:23.280 were a pattern.

00:52:24.320 They were not a

00:52:24.840 one-off, it was not

00:52:25.900 a curse, and it was

00:52:26.940 not bad luck.

00:52:27.980 It was a terrible,

00:52:29.660 terrible decision that

00:52:31.120 he made that night, and

00:52:31.900 it was part of a

00:52:32.520 pattern of the, wow,

00:52:33.720 this book has got a

00:52:35.900 ton of these

00:52:36.940 bombshells.

00:52:37.620 Again, the name of

00:52:38.540 it is Ask Not, the

00:52:40.660 Kennedys and the

00:52:41.800 Women They Destroyed,

00:52:42.820 which is out next

00:52:43.560 week.

00:52:43.880 Get it now.

00:52:44.460 It's about time

00:52:45.360 someone wrote this,

00:52:46.980 and there's nobody

00:52:47.840 better to do it than

00:52:48.800 you, Maureen.

00:52:49.520 Thank you so much for

00:52:50.500 being here and telling

00:52:51.760 us about it.

00:52:53.120 Thank you so much for

00:52:54.020 having me.

00:52:54.600 I couldn't have asked

00:52:56.000 for a better launch to

00:52:57.860 this book or a better

00:52:59.000 person to talk about

00:53:00.180 this with.

00:53:00.840 The pleasure was mine.

00:53:02.180 I enjoyed every page,

00:53:04.160 and please believe me,

00:53:05.300 audience, we've only

00:53:06.380 scratched the surface.

00:53:07.260 There's so much more.

00:53:08.180 I guarantee, guarantee,

00:53:09.480 you will not be sorry

00:53:10.080 that you bought this book

00:53:11.200 and enjoy.

00:53:12.440 Okay, we're going to be

00:53:13.120 back later on today

00:53:14.400 with the fifth column

00:53:15.780 talking about the big

00:53:17.420 debate.

00:53:21.620 Thanks for listening to

00:53:22.680 The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:53:23.800 No BS, no agenda,

00:53:25.520 and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 27, 2024

Truth About JFK's Cruelty and Predator Behavior, and New Reporting on JFK Jr., with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 823

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