The Megyn Kelly Show - What New Leaked Tucker Carlson Videos Really Show, and Met Gala Debauchery, with The Hodgetwins and Patrick Bet-David ｜ Ep. 541

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00:02:44.820 Patrick Bet David will be here in just a bit, along with the Hodge twins.

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00:02:53.460 I'll tell you something very funny.

00:02:55.100 So, you know, my mom, Linda, is amazing.

00:02:57.820 If you ever saw her come on my NBC show, you fell in love with Linda. 0.94

00:03:00.560 She was a big star.

00:03:01.340 And she is somebody who has kept me humble my whole life.

00:03:05.720 You know, it's not necessarily by design.

00:03:08.340 It's really just kind of her personality.

00:03:10.860 Like, I'll give you just one example.

00:03:12.800 One time she was staying with me on the Upper West Side and I was leaving for my show at Fox and I had a makeup-free face.

00:03:18.040 And she said, God, it's just really amazing the difference between you without makeup and you with makeup.

00:03:25.380 I mean, it's just really some...

00:03:28.620 Okay, Ma.

00:03:30.160 All right.

00:03:30.660 Thank you.

00:03:31.240 Got it.

00:03:32.400 So this week...

00:03:34.000 No, last week, our show is crushing it right now, thanks to you.

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00:03:58.840 That's outside of the news world.

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00:04:02.600 So we're on a great streak.

00:04:04.720 So my mom... 0.70

00:04:06.140 Enter my mom. 0.77

00:04:06.920 Enter Linda, who on Thursday of last week... 1.00

00:04:09.800 You know, Tucker Carlson got fired.

00:04:11.240 Don Lemon got fired last Monday.

00:04:12.800 My mom texts me, Meg, did Tucker get fired?

00:04:16.760 Read something on Twit.

00:04:18.380 I said, Mom, Ma, not Twitter, Twit, spelled T-W-I-T-T-E.

00:04:27.180 I said, yes.

00:04:28.580 Biggest story in the country this week.

00:04:30.020 They fired him out of the blue on Monday.

00:04:32.180 Then she responds with, where can I follow the reason?

00:04:36.080 Oh, if only we knew someone who covers news and news-related events daily on her show.

00:04:49.080 She wrote, Mom, well, you could listen to my show where we've been leading with it all week with the smiley faces.

00:04:56.280 And she wrote, yes, yes.

00:04:57.740 No swearing, though.

00:04:59.360 You know, my mom doesn't like the swearing. 1.00

00:05:00.920 In any event, if you have a mom like that, you need somebody in your life to keep you humble.

00:05:05.420 It's important so your head doesn't get too big.

00:05:07.760 And when mom's not there doing that for me, bad things happen.

00:05:10.840 So God bless Linda and God bless all of you.

00:05:13.380 And speaking of Tucker, more hits being dropped by Fox News today.

00:05:19.280 They can't help themselves.

00:05:21.200 Yesterday we talked about this video they clearly leaked to Media Matters for America,

00:05:25.540 whose whole existence is to ruin Fox News and try to get it boycotted. 0.76

00:05:28.340 I mean, the fact that Fox News is now coordinating with Media Matters for America is a new low.

00:05:33.540 This is, again, my supposition, but it's a pretty well-founded one. 1.00

00:05:38.400 They released this tape of Tucker lamenting what a shit show Fox Nation is. 1.00

00:05:43.340 Sorry, Mom. 0.98

00:05:44.320 And how it doesn't work well and it's not a good user experience.

00:05:47.100 Why Fox would leak this about itself doesn't particularly make Fox Nation look so good.

00:05:51.760 But they're trying to show that he's not a company man.

00:05:53.880 You know, he's not loyal.

00:05:55.520 They were asking him to do some things and he was kind of complaining about it.

00:05:58.780 Um, David Sachs of the All In podcast retweeted it yesterday saying this just shows what any

00:06:05.740 professional would want to see in one of their employees, which is a commitment to excellence

00:06:09.520 and, you know, sparking an improvement in a product that's struggling.

00:06:14.460 Why wouldn't you want that in somebody who works for you?

00:06:16.420 Well, now we get more.

00:06:18.140 Now, today, remember last week we told you about the New York Times saying, like, in the sixth paragraph,

00:06:24.020 because even the New York Times seemed embarrassed to be doing the Fox News dirty work.

00:06:28.800 Um, those references to video the New York Times had obtained of Tucker, in one instance, referring to a woman as yummy, circumstances unclear, and in another referring to his post-menopausal audience.

00:06:42.380 It was clearly styled as though this was going to be an insult to women.

00:06:47.280 This is going to be an example of Tucker's misogyny.

00:06:50.360 No context.

00:06:51.680 Where did you get said video?

00:06:53.800 Where could it have come from?

00:06:54.920 And we knew it was from Fox.

00:06:55.960 I said that to you last week.

00:06:57.560 Melissa Francis was on said the same.

00:06:59.860 Uh, well, now, shock of all shocks, those videos have shown up on where, wait for it, can you guess?

00:07:08.240 Media Matters for America.

00:07:10.560 It's amazing.

00:07:11.180 They're not even subtle.

00:07:12.280 Fox is losing its, its fastball.

00:07:15.120 Um, this is just too obvious, Irina.

00:07:17.680 Again, it's my opinion.

00:07:19.780 This is all being leaked by Irina Burganti, who's made it her mission to ruin Tucker Carlson.

00:07:24.760 She hates it when you mention her name on the air.

00:07:27.120 She hates it when her pictures make the air, but she's happy to besmirch yours.

00:07:31.040 She's in the business of ruining your name. 1.00

00:07:34.860 Welcome to the club.

00:07:35.800 It doesn't feel very good, does it, Irina? 0.97

00:07:37.780 When your name is all over the news as somebody who's possibly doing very disgusting, dirty, dirtball kinds of things. 0.92

00:07:45.460 It doesn't feel good.

00:07:47.620 Um, in any event, I'm going to show you the videos because what they think makes Tucker look terrible

00:07:52.980 does nothing of the sort and underscores the absurdity. 0.89

00:07:57.080 I just want to point out CNN is not doing any of this crap to Don Lemon. 0.90

00:08:02.100 CNN is not doing any of this to Don Lemon. 0.98

00:08:04.400 They fired the guy.

00:08:05.600 They're in the middle of a negotiation.

00:08:07.280 As far as I know, it's going the way you would expect.

00:08:09.420 And I think Don Lemon is going to walk away with his paycheck.

00:08:13.080 Tucker, it's a different situation at Fox where you must be ruined, as I've been telling you.

00:08:17.380 So here's two.

00:08:18.780 I'm going to show you three because there's the third out now of the latest videos that are supposed to divide Tucker's audience from him

00:08:25.160 and make them think he's a dirtbag.

00:08:27.640 We can no longer possibly support him in his new and independent venture or if he goes to Newsmax, etc.

00:08:34.000 Here they are.

00:08:34.900 We'll start with yummy.

00:08:36.700 Yummy.

00:08:39.420 You wouldn't?

00:08:39.960 Okay.

00:08:40.280 I'm not, you know what?

00:08:41.100 I'm not qualified on that score, I will say.

00:08:43.920 I thought his girlfriend was kind of yummy.

00:08:47.400 Just kidding.

00:08:48.160 Just kidding in case this is being pulled off the bird.

00:08:52.280 Yeah, the bird.

00:08:54.140 Hey, Media Matters for America. 1.00

00:08:56.420 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

00:08:57.920 That's the first thing I want to say tonight. 1.00

00:08:59.760 Second thing is totally kidding.

00:09:01.160 I don't even know what his girlfriend looks like.

00:09:02.760 And if I did, I would not find her yummy.

00:09:06.660 I freaking love that.

00:09:07.840 I love it.

00:09:08.520 He knew, he knew even in the moment that there might be somebody working against him, making sure that the camera that's on you during the commercial breaks and whatever gets fed to it, some nefarious person inside Fox could use it against him. 1.00

00:09:21.380 So he had the presence of mind to know who they might leak to and to tell him to fuck right off. 0.99

00:09:26.560 Again, sorry, mom. 1.00

00:09:28.500 Right?

00:09:29.000 It's kind of great.

00:09:30.740 But can I just spend a minute on the New York Times' dishonesty?

00:09:33.900 The New York Times reported that as we've obtained a video of him referring to a woman as yummy.

00:09:38.800 I didn't see in the New York Times the part where he said explicitly, I'm just kidding.

00:09:43.980 I don't even know the person.

00:09:45.040 I don't know what she looks like.

00:09:46.320 Why didn't the New York Times report that?

00:09:49.420 Huh? 0.99

00:09:50.460 Where was the context for your smear of Tucker, your attempt to make him look like a misogynistic prick? 0.99

00:09:57.880 You buried it in the sixth paragraph, but you didn't have the balls to actually report the context. 0.99

00:10:02.400 Media Matters had more balls than you did, New York Times. 0.99

00:10:04.960 That was disgusting. 0.98

00:10:07.000 The second, about his post-menopausal audience, all of whom have written to me. 0.55

00:10:11.820 I know these women. 1.00

00:10:14.700 Saying they didn't even find what they read so far offensive.

00:10:17.860 And I guarantee you they're not going to find the actual bit offensive either.

00:10:21.480 Nonetheless, here it is.

00:10:24.640 Well, I feel great.

00:10:25.960 You know, I can never, I can never assess my appearance.

00:10:30.100 I wait for my post-menopausal fans to weigh in on that.

00:10:35.800 My IFB.

00:10:37.580 What?

00:10:38.200 They want to control me from afar?

00:10:40.260 Okay, I'm putting the leash on.

00:10:42.840 You, you can. 1.00

00:10:44.980 Fuck it, we'll do it live. 1.00

00:10:48.300 I got you, baby. 1.00

00:10:51.260 What do you, you see a jovial guy cracking jokes on the set.

00:10:55.600 It's not an insult.

00:10:57.020 What's wrong with saying post-menopausal women?

00:10:59.280 I am a pre-menopausal woman, but in about five or six years, I'll probably be post-menopausal.

00:11:03.720 I wouldn't be offended by that.

00:11:05.380 What does it mean?

00:11:06.480 It means people who are around my age are going to let me know whether I look good.

00:11:10.020 Tucker's no spring chicken.

00:11:11.000 He'd be the first to tell you.

00:11:11.920 I think he's my age exactly.

00:11:13.060 He's, I think, I'm 52, he's 53.

00:11:15.720 So again, no mention of the fact that he's jovial, he's on the set, he's cracking jokes,

00:11:20.840 he's laughing.

00:11:21.940 No, you've got to think that he somehow hates his audience.

00:11:25.360 That's how it was reported initially in the Times, without the context there.

00:11:29.980 And now we see the full tape.

00:11:31.220 And by the way, just in case you're aware, who is taping?

00:11:34.360 Ask yourself about my theory, that this is Fox News doing it to him, that it's Irina

00:11:39.500 Briganti, who sat there calling through his commercial downtime to look for anything that

00:11:45.300 might, if this is all you got, you lost your fastball.

00:11:48.880 This doesn't make him.

00:11:49.820 I can't wait for the tape that absolutely sinks him, because this is absurd.

00:11:53.360 So far, you've made Fox Nation look bad, you've made Tucker look good in his ripping on Media

00:11:58.120 Matters for America, and you've made Tucker look good because he's obviously a funny guy

00:12:02.100 who mocks his enemies and makes clear that he understands you might be taping him.

00:12:10.460 Here's edition number three, which was just released today. 0.76

00:12:14.940 And this one is, I guess, supposed to make us think he's a pervert.

00:12:20.060 It's an exchange he's having with Piers Morgan.

00:12:23.300 There's no context to any of this other than it's commercial breaks or windups before a

00:12:28.620 segment.

00:12:29.400 That's what's obvious to me as an anchor.

00:12:31.100 But there's no context, but he's clearly talking to Piers Morgan.

00:12:34.420 And Piers Morgan is having Tucker on Piers' show here.

00:12:38.880 Tucker's doing it from his set.

00:12:39.960 So again, Fox News would have access to the feed.

00:12:42.700 And they're joking about, I don't know, you listen and draw your own conclusion.

00:12:47.500 Here it is.

00:12:47.820 Everyone in this company is thrilled that you're doing this.

00:12:52.740 I've gotten more calls from people about it.

00:12:54.920 Oh, that's great.

00:12:55.620 Well, I've got to say, when I came to New York a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't believe

00:13:00.580 how welcoming and friendly everybody was.

00:13:03.660 It was fantastic.

00:13:04.420 I loved it.

00:13:06.640 Yeah, they really mean it from the owners on down.

00:13:10.760 Yeah.

00:13:11.180 It's cool.

00:13:11.920 It's cool to see it.

00:13:12.760 I like that.

00:13:13.420 It's a good, you know, people are nice in this company.

00:13:15.820 I think they've always been nice to me anyway.

00:13:18.060 I completely agree with you.

00:13:18.220 I completely agree.

00:13:19.300 Everyone's been very, very friendly and very nice.

00:13:21.800 And I really appreciate it.

00:13:23.220 But thank you so much for coming on.

00:13:24.900 It's fantastic.

00:13:25.620 Yeah, I bet that doesn't change.

00:13:27.000 Of course.

00:13:27.760 It's just great to have you on my show.

00:13:29.880 I mean, I've been on yours enough times.

00:13:31.460 It's great.

00:13:31.900 I think it's totally cool.

00:13:36.620 So let's, if we're going to talk about sex, I'd love to hit some of the fine points of

00:13:40.980 technique.

00:13:45.960 But, you know, but it's your show.

00:13:47.320 It's totally up to you. 1.00

00:13:48.600 We can certainly talk about your sexual technique, especially after your tanning testicles last 1.00

00:13:53.280 week. 1.00

00:13:53.700 Not mine.

00:13:54.340 I know we'll speak in more general terms, but I've got something to add.

00:13:58.380 Why, why, why are they leaking that?

00:14:07.720 It's funny.

00:14:08.960 I don't know what they talked about.

00:14:10.360 We can go back and check his appearance on Piers Morgan, but maybe it did have something

00:14:13.320 to do with some sort of sexual story in the news.

00:14:15.200 I have no idea.

00:14:15.760 Who cares?

00:14:16.420 I don't care.

00:14:17.440 Nothing even remotely offensive in that exchange.

00:14:19.700 Tucker's cracking a joke.

00:14:21.520 How is she so uptight? 1.00

00:14:23.240 Is she this uptight that she doesn't realize no one's going to be offended?

00:14:27.240 Like, maybe you need a Valium.

00:14:29.680 Take a seat.

00:14:31.100 Take a deep breath and try to understand how real people live their lives, not hyperventilating

00:14:35.780 over dumb jokes on the set between two guys trying to loosen up before a segment that they

00:14:41.720 both hope will be great and fun for the audience at home.

00:14:44.640 By the way, none of that is stuff that Tucker wouldn't say on the air, right on the air to

00:14:47.940 his audience.

00:14:48.700 So this is absurd.

00:14:50.300 Fox News should stop this nonsense.

00:14:52.780 And I really need to stop picking on Irina Briganti, Irina Briganti, Irina Briganti.

00:14:57.280 Because her bosses are allowing this.

00:15:00.240 Suzanne Scott's allowing this. 0.98

00:15:02.100 The Murdochs are allowing this because they want him destroyed.

00:15:05.520 It's not just her fault.

00:15:07.300 They know how to rein her in.

00:15:08.640 They know she's likely the person responsible for this.

00:15:11.200 Maybe they've already greenlit it and they're fully participating.

00:15:13.820 I don't know.

00:15:14.280 This is my supposition.

00:15:15.580 But I will tell you this.

00:15:16.600 I have it on good authority that when I went on Tucker right after my termination from my

00:15:23.340 relationship with NBC, I went on his set.

00:15:28.160 I sat with him.

00:15:28.860 I gave him an interview.

00:15:30.200 I think it took two blocks, but I was sitting there off the air with Tucker for a bit.

00:15:33.180 And I was told by a reliable source, she taped me then.

00:15:38.080 She taped me.

00:15:39.980 She loathed me because I had to hire that outside PR person after she portrayed the women of 1.00

00:15:44.960 Fox News during the Roger Ailes era.

00:15:47.020 And as I told you, the Murdochs paid for that.

00:15:50.580 They didn't say, oh, no, Irene is great.

00:15:52.700 Oh, no, you should work with her.

00:15:54.220 They paid for an outside PR person to help me because I couldn't work with this person.

00:15:59.080 So I come back years later and she tapes me on the set.

00:16:03.140 That's what I was told.

00:16:05.200 Love to hear from you, Irene.

00:16:06.440 Let me know.

00:16:07.220 Let me know if I'm off base on all this.

00:16:08.700 I love to have a chat.

00:16:10.360 You can deny it all.

00:16:11.700 Why don't you come on the show?

00:16:12.900 We can have a chat about old times.

00:16:14.720 Uh, because I see you and I see what you guys are doing.

00:16:19.160 And so does Tucker's audience. 0.84

00:16:20.640 And it's disgusting.

00:16:22.560 Meanwhile, the ratings at eight continue to crater.

00:16:25.520 The audience is gone.

00:16:27.360 Um, the only press that they're getting at the eight o'clock hour right now is terrible

00:16:30.460 about how it's doing in the ratings, how the substitutes are doing.

00:16:35.800 Um, so they really, they really have no choice at this point, but to go back to Tucker and beg

00:16:39.500 him to come back.

00:16:40.380 And that would require them to fire Irene Briganti, uh, among other things. 0.87

00:16:43.780 We'll see joining me now, stand up comedians and political commentators, Keith and Kevin

00:16:48.760 Hodge, also known on YouTube as the Hodge twins, Keith and Kevin, thank you guys so much

00:16:53.680 for coming back on.

00:16:55.720 Thank you for having us.

00:16:57.240 Yeah.

00:16:57.620 Thank you. 0.97

00:16:58.440 I'm sorry, but like, it's just such bullshit, isn't it? 0.96

00:17:00.420 It's like so obvious. 0.98

00:17:01.700 And I know you guys are tough to offend, but I mean, is there any, any spidey sense that

00:17:06.520 gets offended by what you just saw or thinks, Oh yeah, that's the stuff that's going to

00:17:10.260 ruin this guy.

00:17:11.620 I actually love him more now.

00:17:12.940 Yeah.

00:17:13.720 I hope you keep releasing these videos.

00:17:15.980 This is great content.

00:17:18.760 I love it.

00:17:19.560 I mean, I don't see, I'm not offended.

00:17:21.120 Anybody with a rational mind, anybody that's got a sense of humor, wouldn't be offended.

00:17:24.660 Tucker Carlson is a real person.

00:17:26.700 Yeah.

00:17:27.160 He's just relaxed.

00:17:29.100 Yeah.

00:17:29.540 He's not being famous.

00:17:30.540 It's not his audience watching.

00:17:32.260 Yeah.

00:17:32.480 He's just being jovial with the people he's talking on his show.

00:17:35.360 Yeah.

00:17:35.580 You know, I have to say, if this is all they have, he's great.

00:17:39.220 He's in good stead.

00:17:40.320 Like if this is the stuff that's meant to bring him down, he should, he should be even

00:17:43.760 a big sigh of relief.

00:17:44.520 Cause a lot of us would look far worse.

00:17:46.920 If our outtakes were filmed and then released.

00:17:51.360 I mean, I thought this was going to show some videos.

00:17:53.180 Him got whips and chains or something.

00:17:56.680 It's nothing.

00:17:57.560 This is like, I mean, that's not a hot mic.

00:18:00.000 If you want to see a hot mic, it's inside of our little studio.

00:18:02.840 We got to go on.

00:18:03.600 But yeah, that what he said is not offensive at all.

00:18:06.780 Yeah.

00:18:07.200 Right.

00:18:07.560 So what have we learned?

00:18:08.440 He swears sometimes.

00:18:10.120 He makes jokes and he doesn't like Fox nation at all. 1.00

00:18:15.640 Thinks it's a piece of shit. 1.00

00:18:17.020 And he doesn't like media matters for America. 1.00

00:18:19.160 Okay.

00:18:19.480 We kind of all agree on all those fronts.

00:18:21.160 I think it's unanimous.

00:18:23.120 Typical America. 0.90

00:18:24.180 Yeah.

00:18:27.060 I don't know.

00:18:27.700 I just, I heard you guys last week just saying like, it was a sad day when you get, when

00:18:31.740 he was gone.

00:18:32.260 Cause it's just, you know, one by one things that you enjoy get taken away because the

00:18:37.000 powers that be decide you're not allowed to hear that anymore.

00:18:39.720 You know, they know better.

00:18:41.420 It's annoying.

00:18:43.160 Yeah.

00:18:44.200 It's going to be cursed to see where he lands.

00:18:46.220 I'm like looking forward to it.

00:18:47.700 A lot of times when bad things happen to you, it's actually opening other doors for you.

00:18:53.560 So that's been my, our experience throughout our life is when one door closes,

00:18:57.680 another one open.

00:18:58.700 So, um, he's a superstar.

00:19:00.840 I think he can do whatever he wants to do and he's going to be great at whatever he

00:19:03.880 does.

00:19:05.120 I agree.

00:19:06.240 So one of the things that, wait, what'd you say?

00:19:10.400 What'd you say?

00:19:12.680 Well, you know what?

00:19:15.540 He's probably going to wind up either on YouTube or on rumble and he's going to get

00:19:19.480 his 1 million button probably within the first day that he launches.

00:19:23.660 Um, I, you know, he's hugely popular.

00:19:25.660 Like you guys, I was, I talk about like Mr. Beast.

00:19:27.900 Yes.

00:19:28.040 He's got a lot.

00:19:28.700 He's got 120 million followers.

00:19:31.280 You guys have got like 6 million.

00:19:33.360 That makes you one of the biggest players in commentary on YouTube.

00:19:38.220 Yeah.

00:19:39.280 Which is unbelievable.

00:19:40.180 I mean, when we first started a few years back, it was like, we just wanted to make

00:19:44.000 a little, a couple of extra bucks.

00:19:45.900 So our car don't get repossessed, you know?

00:19:48.000 And it's like, it took off and it became our lifestyle and our job now.

00:19:52.480 And it was kind of scary at first, cause we've been on YouTube for quite some time, about

00:19:55.500 four or five years.

00:19:56.440 And we want to come out and, you know, give a different perspective, you know, coming from

00:20:00.320 two black men.

00:20:01.100 And it's okay to be conservative.

00:20:02.560 I thought we was committing career suicide, but looking back on it, it was the best thing

00:20:06.300 I've ever done in my life.

00:20:08.180 Because you were working at AAA.

00:20:09.600 Weren't you working at AAA?

00:20:10.820 Like thinking, this isn't really all it was cracked up to be.

00:20:14.700 Yeah. 0.96

00:20:15.080 That, oh my God, my life sucked.

00:20:17.940 I was an insurance adjuster for auto claims. 0.83

00:20:20.720 Oh my God.

00:20:21.680 It's so many times I was so stressed out.

00:20:23.340 I just wanted to walk out of the office, but I couldn't cause I got kids.

00:20:26.760 I got a family.

00:20:27.480 It's something you had to do.

00:20:28.520 And they paid me just enough to show up to work.

00:20:31.740 So it was hell on earth.

00:20:33.220 And when we got fired from that job for doing the YouTube videos on company property, it

00:20:38.340 was, man, it was, it was the best thing that ever happened to us.

00:20:41.280 And that's why Keith says that sometimes awful things happen to you because something's in

00:20:45.480 the works for you.

00:20:46.380 Yeah.

00:20:46.720 Bigger doors is going to open for you.

00:20:48.300 Yeah.

00:20:49.100 That's right.

00:20:49.680 Even Tucker's, you know, stint at Fox was the result of him getting fired at MSNBC and

00:20:55.560 CNN.

00:20:56.760 And, you know, he'd been at these others and it hadn't gone well.

00:20:59.160 And he landed at a place that he thought was, quote, nice, that people are nice in this

00:21:04.000 company.

00:21:04.480 He would later learn the truth.

00:21:06.480 But yeah, this is like, sometimes they got to shake the blanket and then, you know, stuff

00:21:10.520 stuff flies off and good things follow that.

00:21:13.300 And I think that'll be true.

00:21:14.720 Do you think, do you think it had anything to do with the lawsuit with Dominion?

00:21:19.700 I don't.

00:21:20.500 And you know what?

00:21:20.960 Dominion speaking out about it today.

00:21:22.380 Dominion yesterday gave an interview, the lawyers, like the principals saying it is

00:21:28.160 like they want credit for getting fired.

00:21:29.900 They think that all the text messages that were unearthed in the litigation may have had

00:21:33.600 something to do with it.

00:21:34.900 That is what the company is clearly leaking to places like the Wall Street Journal.

00:21:38.660 That's what they want us to believe.

00:21:40.080 And look, you know, maybe there's something horrible in those text messages that we haven't

00:21:43.160 seen.

00:21:44.020 I haven't even heard a whiff of something that would really be a fireable offense yet.

00:21:47.660 But hey, let us know, because so far the company is not saying that I think if it was, it'd

00:21:53.720 be already released.

00:21:55.440 Yeah, right.

00:21:56.180 Exactly. 1.00

00:21:56.540 Instead of these stupid ass videos. 1.00

00:21:58.060 But what Dominion is saying is that it is not true that it was a condition of the settlement 1.00

00:22:02.520 that Tucker be fired.

00:22:03.480 A lot of people thought that might have been some clause in there, you know, like some

00:22:07.220 secret deal like Tucker's got to go.

00:22:09.600 We got to leave with a scalp.

00:22:11.180 And the answer is no.

00:22:12.500 The Dominion saying it's not true.

00:22:13.780 So, you know, we'll see because there's another litigation and there are three companies

00:22:18.780 right now trying to get those texts made public that have been redacted.

00:22:22.080 So we are likely to find out what was in the text.

00:22:24.660 Sorry, go ahead.

00:22:25.560 What were you going to say? 1.00

00:22:26.620 I'd say if that's the case, Fox News really looks stupid. 0.99

00:22:29.700 I was like putting it to I think there's some type of correlation between what happened 0.98

00:22:33.580 because I don't think it's a coincidence.

00:22:35.080 I don't think Dominion, if it was the case, I don't think they would tell anybody.

00:22:38.720 I mean, a lot of things are done behind closed doors, deals and all the time.

00:22:42.340 And I don't see this why this would be an exception.

00:22:45.060 But, you know, I'm not trying to get sued by Dominion.

00:22:47.980 So I'm just going to go along with it.

00:22:51.680 They do like to sue.

00:22:53.300 Though, listen, I will say in Dominion's case, if Fox News has been saying all those things

00:22:56.920 about me, I would have sued, too.

00:22:58.860 And they walked away eight hundred million dollars richer because of it.

00:23:02.320 So I'm sure they're feeling pretty good about it.

00:23:04.440 All right.

00:23:04.700 I got to talk to you about something that I know bothers you as well.

00:23:07.280 And that is the emergence of all these men in women's sports who are winning.

00:23:13.360 They're winning every day.

00:23:15.820 There's another story.

00:23:17.000 And I've heard you guys rail about this.

00:23:18.460 So now the latest is I think it's pronounced Gila, the Gila, the tour of the Gila out in

00:23:24.500 New Mexico, a transgender woman, which means a man, a biological man, Austin Killips, won

00:23:32.020 in the tour of Gila in New Mexico, United States.

00:23:35.900 It's an elite race sanctioned by the sports world governing body, the UCI.

00:23:43.800 And the UCI is, you know, the entity that oversees world cycling.

00:23:48.920 So Killips won in the female category and won the first prize, which is thirty five thousand

00:23:57.760 dollars, three hundred and fifty thirty five thousand three hundred and fifty bucks.

00:24:02.020 Get this.

00:24:03.140 It was the first year in the event's thirty six year history that equal prize money had

00:24:07.680 been offered for both the men's and the women's races.

00:24:10.880 These women had worked for years to try to get equal prize money. 1.00

00:24:14.300 They finally got it.

00:24:15.700 And a dude came over, cycled as a woman and won the race and the money. 1.00

00:24:22.500 Twenty seven year old American.

00:24:23.620 It was, of course, it's one of ours.

00:24:25.520 An American won it, finishing eighty nine seconds ahead of the next best competitor, the Italian 0.95

00:24:30.940 Marcella Prieto in the general classification.

00:24:34.120 And it also claimed you got to love it.

00:24:35.980 The queen of the mountains jersey.

00:24:37.900 So this dude wins the queen and the money.

00:24:41.120 This guy took up cycling in twenty nineteen before starting a hormone replacement.

00:24:46.780 Twenty nineteen.

00:24:47.480 I guarantee you not a woman in that race who came anywhere in the top ten started three 0.99

00:24:51.620 years ago or four, three or four years ago and wound up finishing that.

00:24:55.520 This is absurd.

00:24:57.260 Yeah.

00:24:57.660 You know what he's probably going to do with that money?

00:24:59.160 He's probably going to go get a boob job. 0.82

00:25:02.360 I don't make a woman off. 1.00

00:25:05.480 I can't believe the left can't see the dystopian future for women in a society where the science 1.00

00:25:11.340 of biological sex is ignored.

00:25:14.100 Yeah.

00:25:14.460 I mean, it's going to be a horrible place for women if this goes mainstream. 1.00

00:25:18.800 You know, I think he had a financial incentive to enter this race because that's a very interesting

00:25:22.980 point you shared that this is the first time they gave him like prize money.

00:25:27.240 Yep.

00:25:27.880 The same the same amount to the women that they would get normally give to the men.

00:25:31.840 So he transitions over, goes on hormone replacement theory.

00:25:35.500 And here's what's crazy.

00:25:36.420 The governing bodies like policy allows what he did, because what it says is you have to

00:25:43.580 have testosterone levels that have been below two point five nanomoles.

00:25:48.880 Is that how you pronounce that?

00:25:49.840 I never know per liter for at least two years.

00:25:53.780 And they had just made it a tighter policy.

00:25:56.680 It had been you could have more testosterone and only been a fake woman for 12 months before. 0.84

00:26:03.200 So this is them trying to crack down on, you know, it being unfair by saying, oh, we have

00:26:08.500 to be on the lower testosterone for two years and we're going to have the amount of testosterone

00:26:13.380 you can have, but it doesn't say it's no longer OK for you to have gone through male puberty

00:26:19.080 or to have lived 30 years as a man before you do this stuff with your testosterone.

00:26:25.500 Just because you have low tests doesn't mean you're not a man anymore.

00:26:28.840 But if you put on a sports bra, now you're a woman. 0.98

00:26:31.400 Yeah.

00:26:31.580 What's the deal with the sports bra?

00:26:32.940 He doesn't need it.

00:26:34.040 He could just wear a T-shirt.

00:26:35.840 I don't know.

00:26:37.860 I don't know. 0.99

00:26:38.320 So having a vagina doesn't make you a woman, but a sports bra makes you a woman. 1.00

00:26:41.920 Yes, it's pretty much pretty much where they're going with it. 0.99

00:26:47.300 It's offensive.

00:26:48.580 And here's the thing.

00:26:49.940 So the tournament, the tour of Gila congratulated Kellips on the win, but then limited the responses

00:26:57.100 on social media.

00:26:58.460 Right.

00:26:58.940 Because they don't this is what Anheuser-Busch is doing right now.

00:27:01.320 They offered a new a new video on their Bud Light product online, but they shut off the

00:27:05.560 responses on YouTube.

00:27:06.340 So you can't comment.

00:27:07.360 So these people like they don't want to hear from anybody that they pissed off, which they

00:27:11.900 really need to.

00:27:13.860 Yeah.

00:27:14.280 Yeah.

00:27:14.720 Which is infuriating.

00:27:15.700 That's like one of the biggest tools that YouTube has.

00:27:19.280 It's comments.

00:27:20.000 Everybody wants to see the comments.

00:27:21.320 And then when you go and look at a video and they censor the comments, it's like it makes

00:27:24.940 you look even worse.

00:27:26.240 Yeah.

00:27:26.500 That's how society moves forward.

00:27:28.700 Debate.

00:27:29.480 That's why black people have rights in this country now, because they were allowed to

00:27:32.900 debate.

00:27:33.440 If you don't allow for debate, society no longer moves forward.

00:27:36.700 It regresses.

00:27:37.620 Yeah.

00:27:37.720 And that's exactly what's going on with Sada right now when it comes to these dudes think

00:27:41.300 they're women. 1.00

00:27:42.520 I can't steal.

00:27:43.740 I can't.

00:27:45.060 Sometimes it feels like I'm in a dream.

00:27:46.760 Women. 0.81

00:27:47.240 I mean, dudes are actually waking up, becoming women.

00:27:49.520 And then doesn't make any sense at all.

00:27:56.280 It doesn't make sense.

00:27:57.680 And then women who speak up about it are called hateful and transphobes. 0.74

00:28:02.420 Meanwhile, we're arguing with biological men.

00:28:05.140 It's men who have come into our spaces and we say, no, get out.

00:28:10.280 We worked really hard for this prize money to be available to us.

00:28:13.120 And they say, phobic, bigot.

00:28:15.920 What?

00:28:17.020 Get out.

00:28:18.720 Get out.

00:28:19.420 The left is trying to reinvent the wheel.

00:28:24.380 It's like, this is why we have women's sports, because they can't compete against men. 1.00

00:28:29.100 That's the whole point of having women's sports. 1.00

00:28:31.940 And men have, throughout history, have always exploited women.

00:28:35.280 And they didn't foresee this happening.

00:28:38.280 Right.

00:28:39.000 What?

00:28:39.340 You got $35,000 on the line.

00:28:42.360 You know what?

00:28:43.060 I think I'm a woman now.

00:28:45.020 Right.

00:28:45.260 It just happened in women's poker, of all things. 1.00

00:28:48.740 Now, I don't really know why women and men are at a competitive disadvantage in the poker 0.61

00:28:53.800 field.

00:28:54.280 I don't totally get that one.

00:28:56.540 But the rules are rules.

00:28:58.100 And up until very recently, they had a woman's category and a men's category.

00:29:01.980 And women could win their own prizes in the women's category. 0.59

00:29:05.600 Well, no longer.

00:29:07.080 Now, even the women's poker tournaments are accepting the men as long as they say that they're 0.96

00:29:11.820 trans women. 1.00

00:29:12.880 And guess what happened? 0.80

00:29:13.620 A dude came over with his beard.

00:29:15.880 He was wearing a, he had a gray beard and he won.

00:29:20.540 He won all the money.

00:29:22.020 It's like, I, I'm laughing a little because it's just so absurd.

00:29:26.720 And most of these women are still in the field of like, I don't want to say anything. 1.00

00:29:31.740 They're going to call me mean names.

00:29:33.640 It's like a few women and, and a lot of men who are speaking up about it.

00:29:38.740 And I do think now that like the silent majority of women is just finding their voice.

00:29:43.160 Like they're, they've had it.

00:29:44.360 These stories, they've fricking had it.

00:29:46.740 You got to speak up.

00:29:48.100 I mean, all the way I think this is really going to change is like when women stand up 1.00

00:29:51.600 and, you know, they decide not to compete.

00:29:53.760 Just boycott.

00:29:54.740 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 That's all I have to do is women have to boycott. 1.00

00:29:56.560 It would end overnight.

00:29:57.760 Then you just have a trans dude running or competing by himself. 1.00

00:30:01.080 It looked, it looked stupid. 1.00

00:30:02.140 But yeah. 1.00

00:30:03.120 And you know, it's funny.

00:30:04.580 You remember that song by Megan?

00:30:06.020 You remember that song by James Brown?

00:30:07.280 It's a man's world. 1.00

00:30:09.260 Yeah.

00:30:10.100 Remember that one by Aretha Franklin?

00:30:12.700 You make me feel like a natural woman. 0.66

00:30:14.600 That's how I feel when I look in the mirror.

00:30:16.620 Because I am.

00:30:17.160 Both of them are homophobes. 0.65

00:30:19.820 If they was alive today, they're homophobes.

00:30:22.740 Yeah, that's true.

00:30:23.680 It'd be tense.

00:30:24.400 So here's more on this, this cyclist who won this kill-ups.

00:30:30.540 Okay.

00:30:30.760 This kill-ups.

00:30:31.260 This 27-year-old American kill-ups who took up cycling in 2019 was a man, is a man, but

00:30:38.140 is cycling as a woman.

00:30:40.640 This person also, okay, also was the subject of controversy last December when kill-ups

00:30:48.980 finished third at the USA's National Cyclocross Championships.

00:30:53.920 And at that race where this person, again, a biological man, finished third, kill-ups was 0.94

00:30:59.340 accused of pushing another top competitor, an actual woman, off of her bike.

00:31:05.960 Here's the video.

00:31:07.220 Stand by.

00:31:08.340 There.

00:31:10.220 Okay.

00:31:10.780 That was it.

00:31:12.180 We'll re-rack it.

00:31:13.120 But that woman was named Hannah Ahrensman, 35-time winner on the cyclocross circuit.

00:31:19.680 Hold on.

00:31:20.040 Let's watch it.

00:31:21.200 There.

00:31:22.540 Okay.

00:31:23.000 So she almost falls off her bike as the biological man goes by her. 0.92

00:31:26.580 Um, she, Hannah, finished fourth in that race behind kill-ups, the biological man.

00:31:32.520 And then Hannah retired from the sport, citing the emergence of trans riders.

00:31:36.600 She said, quote, uh, it's become increasingly discouraging to train as hard as I do, only

00:31:42.000 to have to lose to a man with the unfair advantage of having an androgynized body that intrinsically

00:31:47.360 gives him an obvious advantage over me, no matter how hard I train.

00:31:51.180 This is the future.

00:31:52.740 Fine.

00:31:53.060 There's going to be a point, if this keeps going, where even the women's sports have only 0.99

00:31:57.320 biological men in them.

00:31:59.820 Yeah.

00:32:01.080 But just imagine the way, the direction the countries are going.

00:32:05.040 I could just imagine what the WNBA is going to look like. 1.00

00:32:07.620 Well, at least somebody will watch it then.

00:32:10.580 Dude assaulted her. 1.00

00:32:12.380 Yeah.

00:32:12.740 That was assault.

00:32:14.720 Yeah.

00:32:15.040 Men.

00:32:15.360 And now denies it.

00:32:16.540 This is horrible.

00:32:18.760 We need to stand up for these women. 1.00

00:32:20.640 You need to start showing, showing up these cyclist events.

00:32:23.860 You too.

00:32:25.560 Hey, man, we should transition.

00:32:27.300 Yeah.

00:32:27.740 Yeah.

00:32:28.120 Make all kinds of money.

00:32:29.760 Yeah, we could.

00:32:31.160 But I'm not corrupt.

00:32:31.840 You literally have to do nothing.

00:32:33.400 In most of these sports, you have to do nothing other than say you're a woman. 0.98

00:32:36.440 And like, we covered that in Connecticut.

00:32:37.980 We had girls on the program. 0.99

00:32:39.100 There were two guys.

00:32:39.740 There were two guys who were running as guys.

00:32:42.740 They said we're girls.

00:32:43.920 They didn't have to change a thing.

00:32:45.260 They ran as girls.

00:32:46.040 They won everything.

00:32:47.620 Yeah.

00:32:48.460 Sure.

00:32:48.700 Those are my only girls, too.

00:32:51.000 No.

00:32:52.160 I'm not a girl.

00:32:54.120 Okay.

00:32:54.880 Look.

00:32:55.180 You brought it up.

00:32:56.740 You brought it up.

00:32:57.920 Not for nothing.

00:32:59.340 I did make a full screen of some of the men we've seen.

00:33:02.000 Biological men. 0.99

00:33:02.740 Trans women. 1.00

00:33:03.380 We've seen in some of these stories.

00:33:04.820 The ones who are coming into our sports.

00:33:06.600 Coming into our locker rooms.

00:33:07.880 Coming into our...

00:33:08.980 I'm sorry.

00:33:09.420 This is...

00:33:11.100 Look.

00:33:11.740 That person on the top left is the cyclist.

00:33:13.960 That person on the top middle is the one who joined Kappa Kappa Gamma and was allegedly 0.65

00:33:18.760 jerking off while this person was watching the Kappa Kappa Gammas. 0.95

00:33:21.920 This person on the top right is the one who's threatening to shoot us if we don't allow,

00:33:26.100 quote, her into our bathrooms. 1.00

00:33:28.500 That person on the bottom left is somebody you guys were covering on your show.

00:33:32.020 As this person was upset they wouldn't let him, it's a biological man, into the women's 0.94

00:33:37.460 gym because it's where he feels most comfortable because he says he's a woman.

00:33:40.560 And that person on the bottom right, I think, needs no introduction.

00:33:42.960 It's the Canadian shop teacher who now we know wears these prosthetic breasts, even 1.00

00:33:47.420 though he denied it and said that he has a condition called gynomastia where your

00:33:52.620 breasts just grow super huge. 1.00

00:33:54.420 Meanwhile, Rebel News caught him without the breasts in.

00:33:57.640 Do we have that video?

00:33:58.540 Can we just show it?

00:33:59.100 Because we never actually showed it to our audience.

00:34:00.920 Let's just watch.

00:34:01.400 Rebel News actually caught Kayla Lemieux, the shop teacher, without the fake breasts on. 0.99

00:34:05.140 Kayla's been lying to people like The New York Post who tracked him down as well.

00:34:09.000 Here's Kayla Lemieux without the fake breasts and in the way he actually looks. 0.99

00:34:14.720 Mr. Lemieux, where are your breasts? 1.00

00:34:17.080 I thought your breasts were real. 1.00

00:34:20.400 Where are your breasts? 1.00

00:34:22.600 Why are you dressing inappropriately in front of children? 0.99

00:34:25.780 Can you believe it, folks? 0.99

00:34:27.420 He looks like a cornered rat. 0.53

00:34:29.600 He ran for the hills. 0.95

00:34:30.980 He didn't even have the guts to come back to his car.

00:34:34.200 He's abandoned it here.

00:34:35.880 He called an Uber.

00:34:37.520 But did you notice?

00:34:38.820 Look, look, right there.

00:34:40.400 But Lemieux, I thought you told the world via the New York Post and the Toronto Sun that

00:34:46.500 those were real mammary glands. 1.00

00:34:50.460 This is who we're fighting.

00:34:52.060 Okay, mate, this is who we're fighting.

00:34:53.280 We're not fighting a bunch of sweet, confused teenagers. 0.94

00:34:56.500 These people are against us and threatening to shoot us if we stand up against this nonsense. 0.83

00:35:02.280 Did he try to say he had gynecomastia? 0.98

00:35:06.040 Yes.

00:35:06.940 Yes.

00:35:08.260 If that was gynecomastia, man, he would be in an emergency room. 1.00

00:35:14.280 His wife would be threatened.

00:35:16.200 Yeah.

00:35:16.620 That would be like an infection.

00:35:19.320 Yeah.

00:35:20.160 It's true.

00:35:20.980 It would be a medical emergency.

00:35:23.260 Yeah.

00:35:23.480 You can tell by those people in those pictures, you can see their lives are in shambles. 1.00

00:35:27.840 These people are like mentally ill. 0.97

00:35:29.960 And it's like these people's lives are in shambles. 0.99

00:35:32.880 And we're like, what's that saying?

00:35:34.960 The criminals are running the jail?

00:35:37.020 Something like that.

00:35:38.200 Criminals are running the asylum?

00:35:39.140 The inmates are running the asylum.

00:35:41.980 Oh, there you go.

00:35:42.920 There you go.

00:35:43.620 There you go.

00:35:43.980 So you sharp, Megan.

00:35:46.260 You is sharp.

00:35:47.440 I see why you got a million subscribers now.

00:35:50.500 The sky's the limit for you.

00:35:52.020 Yeah.

00:35:52.780 I hope you're right. 0.97

00:35:54.100 It doesn't take that much to see that Kayla Lemieux is a liar, is a man with huge prosthetic 1.00

00:35:59.880 breasts on with amazingly weird prosthetic nipples. 1.00

00:36:03.820 And when Cod just lied and said they're real. 0.74

00:36:05.820 And of course, they're not real.

00:36:06.680 And it was amazing that Rebel News got the actual tape of the real Kayla.

00:36:09.900 What we're told is the real Kayla.

00:36:11.300 I don't know what the man, what the name is.

00:36:14.100 But this is the problem, right?

00:36:15.460 Because like, I'm sorry, but the left would have you think about every trans 0.99

00:36:19.480 teen or person trying to get into our spaces is like this well-meaning, lovely person who's

00:36:25.400 just struggling with some issues and will be totally respectful of us.

00:36:28.620 No, they're they're threatening to shoot us.

00:36:31.360 They look like enormous linebackers in some of these cases.

00:36:35.200 How do you like your 14 year old girl to have to deal with one of those coming into her

00:36:38.220 shower?

00:36:38.640 Because that happened last week, last this month in Wisconsin.

00:36:42.020 Hell no.

00:36:42.600 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:36:43.900 These people are batshit crazy. 0.99

00:36:46.220 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:47.900 And nuts.

00:36:49.580 I wish our politicians would do more.

00:36:51.580 But I mean, some of these blue states, some of these these I don't even these people to call

00:36:56.420 themselves liberals.

00:36:57.260 They're not even you can't even call them that anymore.

00:36:59.280 They're like far not even close to being a liberal.

00:37:02.100 So especially the governor of the governor of Minnesota just signed into law a bill that

00:37:09.260 says a therapist wanting to affirm a child's biological gender, like if the kid comes in

00:37:16.800 and it's a boy and he says, I think I'm a girl, but I'm not sure the therapist is not

00:37:21.240 no longer allowed to say, no, you might you might actually be a boy who's just confused

00:37:28.020 now because they think that's, quote, conversion therapy that's happening.

00:37:32.100 In Minnesota, that's insane.

00:37:35.220 And by the way, laws like that, like conversion therapy for gay people, that's been outlawed

00:37:40.440 in many states.

00:37:41.080 And those bands have been upheld by the courts.

00:37:44.080 But conversion therapy for people who don't know whether or not they're trans and are just 0.87

00:37:49.860 seeking to explore it, you can't ban that.

00:37:54.120 That's already been ruled on by the 11th Circuit.

00:37:57.280 So we'll see whether this ban withstands legal scrutiny.

00:38:00.400 All right.

00:38:00.520 Let me pause it there.

00:38:01.320 We're going to take a quick break and then more with the Hodge twins.

00:38:04.840 I would say the one and only, but it's really kind of the two and only Hodge twins right

00:38:08.340 after this quick break.

00:38:09.100 Now streaming on Paramount+, someone is trying to frame us until our names are cleared.

00:38:17.440 We're fugitives from interval.

00:38:19.400 Like Bonnie and Clyde with better snacks.

00:38:22.880 Espionage.

00:38:23.500 You're still as good a shot as you used to be.

00:38:26.620 Better.

00:38:27.320 Is there love language?

00:38:28.660 We like to walk that fine line between techno thriller and romantic comedy.

00:38:34.120 We make up our own rules.

00:38:35.360 So you guys mentioned losing your jobs because you're posting conservative commentary on YouTube and figuring out that it's okay to be conservative.

00:38:52.460 You can say it, you know, you might get fired, but there could be greener pastures on the other side of that truth.

00:38:57.820 And I know that Larry Elder was influential and, you know, you're realizing some of that stuff.

00:39:03.000 He's so great.

00:39:03.620 A lot of people haven't gotten the message.

00:39:06.920 And that brings me to, I'm going to talk about the Met Gala, which was last night in a second.

00:39:10.160 But the night before that, two nights before that was the White House Correspondents Dinner.

00:39:14.080 And they used a comedian from Comedy Central, Roy Wood Jr., to come on, try to make fun of everybody there and so on,

00:39:21.640 and really thought that it would be hilarious to rip on, of course, you could insert the name without even knowing, Clarence Thomas.

00:39:29.760 Everyone's favorite punching bag on the left. 0.95

00:39:34.000 It's completely fine to rip on him, to rip on his race, to call him a race traitor. 0.82

00:39:40.300 Here's what Roy Wood Jr. said about him the other night. 0.99

00:39:44.180 You are trying to erase Black people. 1.00

00:39:46.940 And a lot of Black people wouldn't mind some of that erasure as long as that Black person is Clarence Thomas. 0.98

00:39:53.720 You understand how rich you have to be to buy a Supreme, a Black one on top of that. 1.00

00:39:59.760 There's only two in stock.

00:40:04.060 And Harlan Crow owns half the inventory.

00:40:10.240 We can all see Clarence Thomas, but he belongs to billionaire Harlan Crow.

00:40:17.680 And that's what an NFT is.

00:40:22.540 Wow.

00:40:23.100 Hilarious, right?

00:40:25.980 It's totally fine to say you want to erase a Black man, one of the most accomplished in U.S. history, as long as it's Clarence Thomas, because he's conservative. 0.96

00:40:34.900 Totally fine.

00:40:35.620 Not racist.

00:40:36.280 Not problematic.

00:40:37.220 What do you make of it?

00:40:39.200 Man, I just think it's horrible.

00:40:40.480 It's like the Democrats are the party that's where they realize that if they lose, well, they get 90 percent of the Black vote and they just try to keep that. 0.81

00:40:51.020 Like when they picked the vice president and the Supreme Court justice, a Black woman, it's because she's actually a token. 0.97

00:40:57.780 That's why they picked them.

00:40:58.800 But they give the impression to the Black voters that, look, we're for Black people.

00:41:03.320 But whenever there's a Black person on the right side, you got to disparage that person.

00:41:07.840 It's just to keep Black people voting Democrat. 1.00

00:41:10.140 I think it's horrible how they talk about that, man.

00:41:14.320 And a Supreme Court justice, this dude has been a reputable judge his entire career, a reputable person.

00:41:21.400 And they just talk down to him and disparage him like he's some evil person.

00:41:26.820 Yeah.

00:41:27.020 And only people, for them to even sinuate, like they like to make us out to be conspiracy theorists.

00:41:33.320 That was a far left conspiracy theory he had.

00:41:35.740 Yeah.

00:41:36.000 And he's not going to get any pushback.

00:41:37.980 Only the conservatives are conspiracy theorists.

00:41:40.300 But the things that he said, it was just gross. 0.95

00:41:42.760 It's just disgusting. 0.99

00:41:43.940 I find it so disheartening to hear Black people, especially people in his position, to put other Black people down just because they might have a different opinion. 1.00

00:41:52.800 Yeah. 0.75

00:41:53.020 And you could hear groans from the audience.

00:41:54.720 They were even like, wow, this is...

00:41:56.580 That wasn't funny.

00:41:57.600 Even the audience was even telling me, hey, man, that's gross.

00:42:00.800 That's not right.

00:42:01.820 You could hear it in the crowd.

00:42:02.780 Nobody was laughing.

00:42:03.720 It was moans and it was groans. 0.78

00:42:05.100 It was disgusting.

00:42:06.100 That's not comedy.

00:42:07.180 Yeah.

00:42:07.540 It's not comedy.

00:42:08.300 I think it's annoying.

00:42:09.420 You talk about like Ketanji Brown Jackson.

00:42:11.520 She is not a token.

00:42:14.860 She's a brilliant woman.

00:42:16.900 But people see her that way because Biden said, I'm only going for a Black woman. 1.00

00:42:24.300 And so as soon as he nominated her, people are like, well, she got nominated because of her skin color and because of her lady parts. 0.99

00:42:30.680 And so we never really got to her judicial philosophy or her academic accomplishments and so on.

00:42:36.320 But I mean, everything I've seen about Ketanji Brown Jackson, so she's a leftist, sure, but she's brilliant.

00:42:41.680 He's the one who made people think she's a token.

00:42:44.220 He did by saying it. 1.00

00:42:45.300 He did the same thing with Kamala Harris, who is a moron. 1.00

00:42:47.860 I'm not going to lie. 1.00

00:42:48.920 But he undermined both of them before they went into those positions by saying he was going to make it all about race. 1.00

00:42:54.960 I think she's a brilliant idiot. 1.00

00:42:56.500 She can't even define what a woman is. 1.00

00:42:58.540 I mean, I'm sure she's brilliant.

00:42:59.860 She's got all that.

00:43:00.600 That's ideological.

00:43:02.160 Yeah.

00:43:02.720 But her boss is going to dictate how she thinks.

00:43:04.660 But when you're that, OK, she's brilliant.

00:43:07.180 But when you can't sit up and tell people what a woman is, you let your political biases step in.

00:43:13.060 You're a judge.

00:43:13.740 You're supposed to not be biased at all.

00:43:15.920 Supposed to be impartial.

00:43:16.740 And you know, you're behaving like an activist.

00:43:19.300 You need to behave like a judge who is impartial and objective at all times.

00:43:23.420 Yeah, we commend people like her, but we wanted to experience Clarence Thomas.

00:43:28.520 Clarence Thomas, that's not right.

00:43:30.320 It doesn't make sense.

00:43:31.340 Not in a rational, logical civil society.

00:43:34.540 No, and that moment became like a defining moment in this culture war battle where you have a Supreme Court justice who obviously knows exactly what a woman is, afraid, too afraid to say what's real because she didn't want to offend this tiny segment of the population that's denying biological realities.

00:43:51.460 OK, let's talk about the Met Gala for a minute.

00:43:55.860 I'm not spending any time on Kim Kardashian.

00:43:57.780 I can't do it.

00:43:58.760 She brought her nine-year-old daughter not with her to the gala, but like in the car to watch her walk off.

00:44:03.620 I guess I am going to spend a minute on it.

00:44:05.560 Like, is that what you want your daughter to see you doing?

00:44:07.720 You want her to see you like basically wearing next to nothing, parading into the Met Gala?

00:44:12.280 That's what you're proud of?

00:44:13.520 OK, fine.

00:44:14.980 Some of us brought our kids to presidential debates and thought that might make a nice impression.

00:44:19.720 I went to the Met Gala.

00:44:21.140 I've been to these events many.

00:44:22.740 I don't take my kid.

00:44:23.540 Who brings their kid to go watch them? 0.92

00:44:25.740 Walk the red carpet.

00:44:27.060 I'm sorry, but it's gross.

00:44:28.540 OK, taking a deep breath.

00:44:32.280 Then there was the rapper Lil Nas X.

00:44:36.820 He, I guess, decided to go as Karl Lagerfeld's cat.

00:44:41.480 The theme was to honor Karl Lagerfeld, who had a weird little cat that he really loved.

00:44:46.960 And would you look at this is a man.

00:44:48.780 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:44:49.260 That is disgusting.

00:44:53.180 What's happening?

00:44:57.020 You know what?

00:44:58.140 The LGBTQ community, I mean, they've been, you know, they've had it hard, like a lot of other demographic people have had it hard, like women, blacks.

00:45:07.060 But they're proving everybody right.

00:45:10.440 That's why people have these implications of gay people.

00:45:17.720 And then you're proving them right.

00:45:19.080 You're not, instead of taking the hot ground, showing everybody that your norm is just, you like to do other things in your bedroom.

00:45:25.180 You come out and this is just debauchery. 0.98

00:45:27.540 That's disgusting. 0.90

00:45:29.000 I don't know anything about Lil Nas X. 0.99

00:45:31.160 Is he gay?

00:45:31.900 I don't know if he's gay. 0.95

00:45:33.300 Gay teen, man. 0.98

00:45:34.220 He's gay. 0.99

00:45:34.700 OK, he's gay. 1.00

00:45:35.980 But like most gay men I know wouldn't be caught dead in that ridiculous cat suit going up the butt, like showing, you know, there's a lot of cheek, a lot of frontal exposure. 0.99

00:45:48.240 I don't know what this is. 0.99

00:45:49.940 It makes me think of the Christian Walker bit.

00:45:51.900 Where's our men?

00:45:53.020 Bring our men back.

00:45:54.220 I miss men.

00:45:56.560 That is insane.

00:45:59.380 The other singer that was, the other singer, he was a dancing, he had a devil outfit.

00:46:06.180 I forget his name.

00:46:06.860 Sam Smith.

00:46:07.660 Yeah.

00:46:07.940 Sam Smith.

00:46:08.780 Trigger.

00:46:10.260 Yeah.

00:46:11.040 He was doing the exact same thing.

00:46:12.820 Yeah.

00:46:13.360 He couldn't be an aggressor.

00:46:14.680 The LGBT community when they, when they, when they behave this way. 1.00

00:46:18.820 Yeah.

00:46:18.920 Most gay people don't act like this. 0.82

00:46:20.160 We have, when we have comedy shows, um, of course our audience is right leaning and gay people come to our show who is right leaning.

00:46:26.140 And these people look just like every, all other people.

00:46:29.420 It's just that. 0.95

00:46:32.920 These are liberal gays.

00:46:34.840 There's a total difference between liberal gays and conservative gays.

00:46:37.740 Conservative gays, they respect. 0.85

00:46:39.880 These liberal gays, they do a disservice to that community. 1.00

00:46:43.420 They do a disservice to the gay community. 1.00

00:46:45.580 It was, it was all about love for you want to love, but it wasn't about all this debauchery and Satan and just lewd. 1.00

00:46:54.140 It's just showing your junk in public. 0.99

00:46:58.040 It's too much. 1.00

00:46:59.460 All right.

00:46:59.680 Lastly, um, Gabrielle Union spoke to the cameras before she went in last night about her decision, along with her, uh, former basketball player, husband's, uh, child to leave Florida because she has a stepchild.

00:47:14.120 It's his biological child who says that they are trans. 0.54

00:47:17.140 I think it's a boy who transitioned to girl.

00:47:19.540 Here she is.

00:47:19.980 We had to think about where every member of our household would be comfortable and welcome and celebrated.

00:47:28.120 Of course, all of our friends in Miami, they're like, when are you coming back?

00:47:30.820 And, and I was thinking, well, where would our children, where would Kavia James go to school where they're open to teaching facts and actually accurate and, you know, accurate history?

00:47:43.740 And, and where can they say gay, much less trans?

00:47:47.120 And where would we maybe not get arrested for, uh, affirming, uh, our child's identity right now, not looking like Florida.

00:47:58.680 Thoughts on that guys.

00:48:00.540 Everything she said was a lie.

00:48:02.360 She misrepresented everything that's going on in Florida.

00:48:04.960 She act like the state of Florida and Ron DeSantis gave him a 30 day notice to move out of Florida. 1.00

00:48:09.260 Like trans people and gay people more than welcome to be in all states within the United States.

00:48:16.520 It's just, you cannot make life altering decisions.

00:48:19.120 Something that could damage that boy for the rest of his life until he becomes the age of 18 because he can't consent.

00:48:24.160 That's all, that's all Florida is doing is trying to protect kids from homing themselves.

00:48:28.760 That's all.

00:48:29.300 Because adults have these surgeries and they regret it. 0.92

00:48:32.440 Yeah.

00:48:33.060 So, so they move out of state, they go to New York or California and they go have some of these surgeries.

00:48:37.960 And then later on, he regrets who's left.

00:48:40.660 Yeah.

00:48:41.040 I mean, and the mother, the biological mother in that case, tried to fight in the court saying, I don't want my kid transitioning before age 18.

00:48:47.480 And the, the husband, forgive me, I'm not into basketball, but it's a famous basketball player.

00:48:52.700 Dwayne, Dwayne Wade.

00:48:53.800 Okay.

00:48:54.000 He was with Miami.

00:48:54.740 He was with Cleveland.

00:48:55.540 He fought and won to get the kid to be able to change his name legally to a female name to change his actual gender or like on whatever documents he had to make it female.

00:49:06.620 And now she's saying they can't live in Florida because you can't say gay.

00:49:09.240 Where can I say gay? 0.89

00:49:09.880 You can say gay in Florida.

00:49:11.120 They're just not going to teach gender identity stuff or sexual identity stuff in the young grades there.

00:49:15.620 And now they upped it to a higher grade, but in curriculum, but you can say it and you can discuss it.

00:49:20.000 It's not going to be in your curriculum.

00:49:21.140 That's all.

00:49:22.280 You know, what's really weird.

00:49:23.180 Um, his son, who's a girl now, he dates women.

00:49:28.680 He's not even like 12.

00:49:30.760 I was like, it's all.

00:49:31.620 They should have picked that he had like a girlfriend was a white, a white girl. 1.00

00:49:34.900 As you guys know, the vast majority say, if you just don't interfere, your kid's going to go back to his biological gender.

00:49:39.800 If you don't interfere, they interfered.

00:49:41.260 And now, now they've moved Florida.

00:49:43.460 Good luck.

00:49:44.400 You guys, such a pleasure to have you.

00:49:46.200 Hodge twins, the two and only come back soon.

00:49:48.900 Don't go away.

00:49:49.760 We'll be right back. 0.72

00:49:50.420 My team was reminding me that little Nas X wore this ridiculous cat outfit to the Met Gala last night, which is just, by the way, it's over.

00:50:00.500 The Met Gala is over.

00:50:01.540 All right.

00:50:01.980 It's, it's sorry.

00:50:03.000 It used to be cool.

00:50:04.320 It used to be something you wanted to get invited to.

00:50:06.240 It's no longer the case.

00:50:07.480 Like, I think the world's had enough of Kim Kardashian.

00:50:10.300 Um, that's just the truth.

00:50:11.540 That's what they can get now.

00:50:12.840 I was talking to a very, very well-known billionaire executive who started a company you would know.

00:50:19.260 And she was telling me, she's not going to go to that.

00:50:22.800 They used to charge 30 grand ahead for people like this billionaire to go.

00:50:26.840 You make a donation.

00:50:27.540 You help support the Met.

00:50:29.080 Um, they raised it to 50 grand.

00:50:31.320 She was like, I barely wanted to go at 30.

00:50:33.760 I really don't want to go rub elbows with the Kardashians at 50 grand ahead.

00:50:38.600 It's absurd.

00:50:39.720 And that's truly what it is.

00:50:40.840 I think I've told you this before.

00:50:41.740 When I went, I went into the women's bathroom to actually use the bathroom and it was all 1.00

00:50:47.660 Kardashians and like P. Diddy was there and there was like dry humping going on. 0.95

00:50:53.840 It was really gross and classless. 0.97

00:50:56.420 And I thought, what am I doing here? 0.77

00:50:58.200 All these women, these models were smoking in the bathroom of the Met. 1.00

00:51:03.680 Get out.

00:51:05.020 Put your cigarette away. 1.00

00:51:06.120 You classless losers. 1.00

00:51:07.220 You're here among some of the greatest art on earth. 1.00

00:51:10.280 Would you just grow up?

00:51:11.960 It's just like these young wannabe stars who really aren't that well known now. 1.00

00:51:17.020 Um, and Anna Wintour just wanting people to kiss her stupid mean ring. 1.00

00:51:21.440 Uh, and people are still doing it, but not to, not the way they used to. 0.99

00:51:24.320 So people are over it.

00:51:25.760 However, I do appreciate people who are kind of in on the joke and it wasn't just little

00:51:30.600 Nas X who went as the cat of Karl Lagerfeld. 0.81

00:51:33.500 By the way, the cat itself was apparently there.

00:51:37.220 To my point, Jared Leto also went as the cat.

00:51:42.300 Choupette, I think is the name of the cat.

00:51:44.220 And look, he gets it.

00:51:46.100 For our listening audience, he's like literally in like a Disney cat costume with a big furry

00:51:51.100 head off the side, a big furry bottom.

00:51:54.400 That kind of looks like a polar bear from the neck down and a fuzzy hat.

00:51:58.480 That's more like it.

00:51:59.700 Make a joke out of it because that's how the rest of us see it.

00:52:02.960 Right?

00:52:03.360 You've got the AOCs of the world. 1.00

00:52:04.820 Remember her last year with her stupid tax document dress and the Carolyn Maloney person 1.00

00:52:09.760 who had her messaging on her, like these nobodies like Carolyn Maloney. 1.00

00:52:13.220 Nobody knows who that is.

00:52:14.220 You can go Google it.

00:52:15.260 You'll figure out who she is.

00:52:16.220 But like, this is where we are.

00:52:18.360 So that's the Mac.

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00:52:38.580 And now we turn to another YouTube star and that is P B D. 1.00

00:52:42.360 Patrick bet.

00:52:44.000 David is founder and CEO of value attainment and host of the P B D podcast.

00:52:50.280 And he joins us to talk the latest on Trump to Santa's Tucker and much, much more.

00:52:54.060 Pat, welcome back to the show.

00:52:55.900 How are you?

00:52:57.140 I'm great.

00:52:57.760 Would you be caught dead in the little Nas cat outfit?

00:53:01.140 Did you see the little, it's like the, it's squeezing him up the bottom and it's squeezing

00:53:05.780 him down in the front. 0.95

00:53:06.620 And there's really, I mean, gay is one thing, not one hint of you being a man left is another. 0.96

00:53:14.020 What's wild is how, how they're using him to market him.

00:53:17.260 You know, he gets all the eyeballs and God forbid somebody else stands out there and says,

00:53:20.540 Hey boys, be a man.

00:53:22.460 Hey boys, stand up for yourself.

00:53:24.180 Hey, go out there and defend yourself.

00:53:25.760 Hey, be protective of women to take care of the folks around you. 1.00

00:53:30.080 You know, go out there and make some money, go out there and do something for yourself.

00:53:33.380 If we give a message that is very much of a pro man message, God forbid you say something

00:53:38.840 like that, but little Nas X, Hey, put them all over the place. 0.98

00:53:41.980 You know what he's wearing.

00:53:42.660 Oh, this is, this guy's a superstar.

00:53:44.120 He's a hero.

00:53:44.980 And unfortunately it's confusing a lot of different people.

00:53:47.360 But for me to wear something like that, I don't even think I would wear something like

00:53:51.100 that privately for my wife.

00:53:52.560 No, no.

00:53:53.300 And nor would she want you to.

00:53:54.520 I think I speak.

00:53:56.120 She would not want me to.

00:53:58.000 I've seen Borat.

00:53:58.880 It's not a good look.

00:54:00.580 I will stay for the record.

00:54:01.740 We've been watching in the morning with my kids, uh, cause I follow him on Insta videos

00:54:06.940 of Jocko Willink, you know, who's like the Navy seal to end all Navy seals.

00:54:10.560 And this morning we watched a video.

00:54:12.240 Uh, it was, it was, uh, Jocko discussing with Leif Babin who married my friend Jenna

00:54:16.760 Lee from Fox business, um, uh, buds training and how the seal team is like so much about

00:54:23.920 so much more than buds training.

00:54:25.640 Yes.

00:54:25.820 It's difficult, but it's like you carried some logs and water the way they described it.

00:54:29.600 Like it doesn't compare at all to combat and war.

00:54:32.460 And like, that is who I want, especially my boys listening to and looking at somebody like

00:54:37.800 a, you know, some, a man of service, a man of honor, a man who in some of his other messages

00:54:43.660 says, whatever it is, it's your fault.

00:54:46.980 You take responsibility, not somebody else.

00:54:49.760 You, that's his whole thing.

00:54:51.040 Extreme accountability. 0.99

00:54:52.000 Um, not this, not these ridiculous people, Pat. 0.99

00:54:56.060 I can't. 0.93

00:54:57.620 Well, listen, this is why Jocko is another super necessary voice.

00:55:01.880 And what is happening is if you ask me what the biggest leak is, the challenge we're having

00:55:06.520 with parents and kids is whoever you and I edify as the hero, the kids want to be whatever

00:55:13.300 we edify the kids want to be.

00:55:15.000 So if you edify a man like Jocko and your son is watching you and saying, Hey son, watch

00:55:21.060 this man, Jocko.

00:55:22.200 That's what you call a man.

00:55:23.240 Your son's going to be like, my mom is edifying Jocko.

00:55:26.160 I want to be like Jocko when I grow up.

00:55:28.200 I want to be like Rogan when I grow up.

00:55:29.960 I want to be like this man when I grow up, right?

00:55:32.680 These guys are showing there's a guy named Petro's good friend.

00:55:35.660 He's an entrepreneur.

00:55:36.200 He's doing things where father and sons are coming, learning about how to become men.

00:55:41.040 There's a bonding thing that's going on with the father and son.

00:55:43.440 They're doing pushups. 0.99

00:55:44.160 They're training, they're helping each other out.

00:55:46.020 They're going out there doing all these exercises.

00:55:47.720 There's a lot of good opportunities out there.

00:55:49.500 I read a, recently we did a video on why the number one earners, immigrants in America are

00:55:55.420 Indian Americans, not native Americans, Indian, Indian, like from India, American, they make 0.96

00:56:01.640 more money on average in America than any other ethnicity in America, including whites. 0.80

00:56:07.160 They make on average $120,000 per year.

00:56:09.740 Number two, just so you know, is at $95,000 and whites were at $65,000. 0.96

00:56:15.360 So then you said, this is kind of interesting.

00:56:17.200 Let's take a look at this because they're only 1% of the U.S. population, but 8% of all the

00:56:21.920 startups, you know, when they're going to technology and all this stuff, there's all these success

00:56:25.740 stories of how they invest their kids into STEM, all these things that they're doing.

00:56:29.180 So then I went on this one website to see what's so special about Indian parenting that's different 1.00

00:56:34.500 than others.

00:56:34.920 So you go to this website, it's called India Parenting.

00:56:38.960 They have these 10 points there.

00:56:40.580 And one of the points was how they edify whatever behavior they want.

00:56:45.120 So you over edify, you edify and say, see what Johnny did?

00:56:48.180 Great job, Johnny.

00:56:48.900 See what that guy's doing?

00:56:49.680 Great job.

00:56:50.260 That's what you call it either.

00:56:51.240 That's what you call this.

00:56:52.040 That's what you call that.

00:56:53.400 Versus American parents are like, well, it's okay if they feel that way.

00:56:56.760 Well, it's okay if you feel this way.

00:56:58.200 Well, it's okay if you feel that way.

00:56:59.580 No, that's a leader.

00:57:00.940 That's a man.

00:57:01.740 That's this.

00:57:02.320 They're edifying them, right?

00:57:03.660 But one of the points also out of the 10, Megan, which was kind of interesting, is they

00:57:07.980 also judge.

00:57:09.160 They're not afraid to judge bad behavior and said they're very judgmental of bad behavior.

00:57:14.140 Interesting concept.

00:57:15.340 Typically, when we hear the word judge, we don't think about it in a positive way.

00:57:19.160 Say, no, Indian parents, they edify great behavior and they judge bad behavior. 1.00

00:57:24.380 Unfortunately, the current society in America today, we are a little bit too

00:57:28.080 accepting of every single behavior.

00:57:30.900 And these kids are growing up saying, if mom's not judging that, if mom's not edifying that,

00:57:34.920 I guess I'm just going to choose to be the little Nas X.

00:57:37.840 I'm going to look up to this guy, Sam Smith.

00:57:40.360 I'm going to go look up this guy.

00:57:41.380 So I think we have a hero-making machine problem in America.

00:57:44.180 And parents need to paint a better picture of what a hero is for their kids.

00:57:48.500 So well said.

00:57:49.660 I agree with every word you said.

00:57:51.620 It's it's I think in part I'm not saying because I know I have a dear friend who's

00:57:56.400 a conservative.

00:57:56.860 He's a lawyer and he has a daughter who's struggling with the gender identity stuff.

00:58:01.820 So I'm not saying it never happens to conservatives.

00:58:03.880 But I do think that there's a reason why this whole trans explosion is happening in 1.00

00:58:07.600 these more leftist cities more than anywhere else.

00:58:10.000 And why you have people like the Disney executive who's like, my one child is polyamorous and

00:58:15.320 my other child is trans and my other child is a furry, like whatever. 1.00

00:58:20.200 It's no accident that that's happening because that's not going to happen in my family.

00:58:25.460 And I'll tell you, there was another woman who I knew in New York.

00:58:28.020 She's black. 0.98

00:58:28.720 Her husband's black. 0.92

00:58:29.780 And she said that she was very concerned about this trans ideology at our school where they

00:58:34.140 were asking our boys whether they were concerned, whether they were sure they were boys

00:58:37.120 every week, and she said at home she and her husband were counter-programming like, can

00:58:41.680 you imagine grandpa showing up in a dress like they were doing some mild mocking of it

00:58:47.260 so that their boys understood this is absurd and not an available option for you?

00:58:54.900 Yeah, you know, as crazy as it is, one of the fears, Megan, you know, you've made a lot

00:59:01.340 of money in your life.

00:59:02.100 You're very successful.

00:59:03.000 You're at the top of the game.

00:59:05.040 You're the best at what you do.

00:59:06.360 Okay, so that's Megan Kelly.

00:59:08.200 You're not in the top 1%.

00:59:09.460 You're more like 1% of 1%. 0.88

00:59:11.260 Okay, so you've been fortunate.

00:59:13.060 I've been fortunate.

00:59:13.740 We've done good for ourselves financially.

00:59:14.940 So we can kind of use our resources to, you know, push our weight a little bit, right?

00:59:19.440 Like if you go, like if I'm interviewing for schools that I was putting my kids into,

00:59:22.880 I went to seven different private schools here in South Florida.

00:59:25.920 One of my first question was, so, hey, Mary, you know, thank you so much for taking the

00:59:30.040 time for the appointment with us and our three kids.

00:59:32.200 We're looking forward to coming to Florida.

00:59:33.720 How does this school feel about capitalism?

00:59:36.200 Excuse me?

00:59:37.040 Yeah.

00:59:37.280 How do you feel about it?

00:59:38.140 What do you think about these rich people, these entrepreneurs, these capitalists, these

00:59:41.960 business owners?

00:59:42.540 What is the school's position on capitalism?

00:59:45.860 Well, we teach the benefits of capitalism and the pros and cons of it, but we also teach

00:59:52.460 the pros and cons of socialism and we teach the pros and cons of communism and we allow

00:59:56.800 the kids to decide, yeah, my kids are not going to go to your school.

00:59:59.180 I mean, how much more history do you need to not have to teach the pros of communism?

01:00:04.660 How many millions of people have been killed?

01:00:06.340 So these are the questions that parents with resources can ask.

01:00:09.540 But Megan, I want you to think about this.

01:00:12.280 Think if you and I are making $74,000 a year.

01:00:16.800 Okay.

01:00:17.580 Household income we have is 120.

01:00:19.880 Let's say 130.

01:00:20.960 Okay.

01:00:21.720 30% of that goes to taxes.

01:00:23.440 So if you're making a one 30, 30% goes to taxes, you're left with $97,000, let's just

01:00:27.980 say $95,000.

01:00:29.880 You're living in a three bedroom house, maybe a four bedroom house, 30 minutes outside of

01:00:34.440 the city.

01:00:34.720 Cause that's what we can afford.

01:00:35.720 And our kids can only go to a public school and now you go in and pose yourself with these

01:00:39.900 things.

01:00:40.100 So parents are now coming home and the kids asking questions about LGBTQ.

01:00:44.320 Then the parent tries to explain this to the kid.

01:00:47.060 Then the kid goes to school and says, well, my mommy told me, then the teacher calls the

01:00:52.300 parent and says, Hey, you can't tell that to your kids.

01:00:54.780 Now the parent is afraid, doesn't know what to do because they could get kicked out.

01:00:58.800 Now they're being boxed in a place that you are a extremist and all this stuff.

01:01:02.460 Then the teachers can target.

01:01:03.740 Do you see how this thing creates the kind of fear in parents that they're immobilized?

01:01:07.340 So that causes a lot of parents to say, well, look, babe, don't say that to him.

01:01:12.020 Cause he's going to say that in school.

01:01:12.960 Hey son, you can't go tell that to your teacher.

01:01:14.920 It's great.

01:01:15.660 I remember living in Iran with my parents going to a school and worried about the Hezbollah 1.00

01:01:21.020 pulling us over.

01:01:22.040 And if they ask you, are you a Christian?

01:01:23.500 You got to say, ask my mommy and my daddy.

01:01:26.260 Some parents right now in low and middle income families are right now going through this.

01:01:31.000 And Megan, I got to tell you, that's a scary place to be.

01:01:33.600 You and I may not know about it today.

01:01:35.560 You and I may not know the fears of that, but tens of millions of people are going through

01:01:40.580 that today.

01:01:41.060 So what do they do?

01:01:41.720 What's the solution?

01:01:42.840 Is it best to just kind of sit on the sidelines and let other people steal your kids for 20

01:01:46.400 years?

01:01:46.560 And I don't mean physically, I mean, emotionally and philosophically.

01:01:50.540 And now your kid doesn't like you because your teachers and the school system pinned

01:01:54.040 you against your kids.

01:01:55.540 And they come home and they say, all you care about is this.

01:01:57.600 What do you do?

01:01:58.500 This is where bitching and complaining is not enough. 1.00

01:02:01.660 This is where sitting on the sidelines and just talking to other parents and yeah, you

01:02:05.660 know, Johnny's mom also feels this way.

01:02:08.220 This is when we got to get involved.

01:02:09.740 So there's never, ever, Megan, been a better time or more important of a time of a side

01:02:15.940 gig.

01:02:16.420 Do real estate on the side.

01:02:18.960 Do something on the side to create an additional two, three, four, $5,000 a month to either put

01:02:24.520 your kids in a private school or to homeschool or on top of that, if you can't do any of

01:02:30.060 that stuff based on where you live, get involved.

01:02:32.500 Right now, school boards, the voting percentage is not that high.

01:02:35.600 It only is like 5% voting, 5 to 10% voting.

01:02:38.300 If you go voter turnout, it's not high.

01:02:40.480 And parents who run typically, they have a very high chance of winning.

01:02:43.440 So if you're sitting there saying, well, I'm not happy about what's going on, run for school

01:02:46.420 board.

01:02:46.940 You would be surprised how many other parents feel like you and you become the courageous

01:02:51.020 one.

01:02:51.380 And other people in public school say, I kind of like what Mary has to say.

01:02:54.400 Let's get behind her. 1.00

01:02:56.140 Right.

01:02:56.580 You have to find a way of creating that power to vote with your feet or speak up at school

01:03:02.080 and be listened to.

01:03:03.340 You know, it it's getting easier.

01:03:05.280 I mean, I will say it's easier when I was in the city at the school.

01:03:08.180 I just referenced where they're asking our boys if they're girls every week.

01:03:11.160 We formed this sort of underground network of parents.

01:03:13.700 And that's where I met the friend I was telling you. 0.97

01:03:15.380 And as I mentioned that she and her husband are black.

01:03:18.040 They were they did not appreciate the messages going to their brilliant son that he was somehow

01:03:24.700 less than because of the color of his skin, which was the implicit message of America's original sin. 0.80

01:03:30.700 And there's really no way around it.

01:03:32.020 And you somehow are divided from your white and your Indian, your brown skinned classmates.

01:03:37.220 And you Hispanics, too.

01:03:38.540 You're in the same boat.

01:03:39.340 So she and the other parents of color were as mad as we were where they were saying, you know, 0.99

01:03:44.740 as I've told you the world before about the white kids in every classroom where white children learn there's a future killer cop and teaching that there are 100 genders and refusing to refer to the boys as boys now or as your sons as sons. 0.65

01:03:59.480 Now it's just your student.

01:04:00.840 This hit the news just this week that in Vermont, there's this school.

01:04:03.680 It's like I'll pull up the name like founders.

01:04:06.240 I can't remember.

01:04:06.620 It's like friends.

01:04:08.080 I'll figure it out where they're they're getting rid of the same thing.

01:04:12.080 They're only referring to boys as people who make sperm and girls as people who make eggs in school now.

01:04:22.460 And these parents in Vermont, this is not, you know, this is Vermont, which is a blue state.

01:04:26.620 But come on, it's still America where they're saying we're getting what is it, Essex, Essex, Essex, Westford in Vermont.

01:04:35.420 And this is being allowed, Pat.

01:04:37.320 I mean, it's being allowed.

01:04:39.700 Yeah, this again, you know, for me, sometimes when I was younger and I had a bad idea or let's just say a dumb idea and I would go to my dad and I would say, Dad, I want to do this.

01:04:49.160 And that would say, OK, here we go.

01:04:51.700 You know, Pat's got another crazy idea and I'm 12 years old or I'm eight years old or I'm 16 years old and he knows I'm going to fail.

01:04:58.660 And I would go execute this idea and I don't execute it because it's a terrible idea.

01:05:02.320 And I'd come back and say, you know what, that it didn't work.

01:05:04.080 Yeah, you were kind of right.

01:05:05.160 But of course, we don't tell our dads he was right.

01:05:07.480 And we would do more of these things.

01:05:09.120 Sometimes it happens in a company.

01:05:10.420 A department comes to you and they say, Patrick, we have an idea.

01:05:12.560 We need a hundred thousand dollar budget for this.

01:05:14.440 If it's a hit, it could be this.

01:05:15.680 It could be.

01:05:15.960 I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to give you a hundred thousand dollar budget, but here's 10 grand and go see at the lowest level and see what you can do.

01:05:20.660 And then come back.

01:05:21.440 Boom, it fails.

01:05:22.100 Or they come back and it says it works.

01:05:23.580 OK, so.

01:05:25.940 The best part about ideas or if somebody claims, watch me, you're going to see what I'm going to do.

01:05:33.740 I'm going to do something really special about my life.

01:05:36.360 Great.

01:05:37.060 You know what's going to validate whether you do or not?

01:05:39.180 Time.

01:05:39.820 Ten years later, people are going to say, no, you were really all talk.

01:05:42.600 You were not a doer.

01:05:44.060 Unfortunately, you've been a talker and that's your label.

01:05:47.020 You get labeled a talker.

01:05:48.640 You get labeled somebody who talks a big game, but doesn't come through.

01:05:52.540 In our family, I had an uncle that I would always get compared to because my dad is five, nine, five, ten.

01:05:57.300 I'm six, five, which is kind of confusing for Middle Eastern guy to be six, five.

01:06:00.380 So everybody would look at the mailman to see if he was tall.

01:06:02.580 No, my dad's brother is six, five.

01:06:04.140 So I took my height after this uncle called Johnny and Johnny had a reputation.

01:06:08.740 He was the smartest guy.

01:06:09.700 He would smoke a pipe and he would read physics books for a hobby.

01:06:14.560 Who the hell reads physics books for a hobby?

01:06:16.900 Well, my uncle Johnny would do that.

01:06:18.300 And he was my favorite uncle.

01:06:19.640 He would take us to this place that he would buy me Nutella.

01:06:22.940 In Iran, if you eat Nutella, you're apparently rich.

01:06:25.320 So I would eat Nutella every six months.

01:06:27.260 And, you know, you would kind of explain, I really love this uncle Johnny.

01:06:30.180 One day, my dad tells me uncle Johnny's reputation and what his nickname is.

01:06:33.940 His nickname was 70% Johnny.

01:06:36.720 What's 70% Johnny?

01:06:38.360 Johnny was the smartest guy in our family.

01:06:40.360 Great with numbers.

01:06:41.800 Great with a lot of different things.

01:06:43.180 And he would always go and start a project and he would go to 70% of completion and he would stop.

01:06:48.860 He would go, 70% and stop.

01:06:51.460 That was a great idea.

01:06:52.260 70% stop.

01:06:53.440 So eventually everybody said, man, Johnny, you got great ideas, but you never execute.

01:06:56.640 But today, all of these people that are coming up with these trans-able, you know, is what I identify as blind. 1.00

01:07:05.020 I identify as this.

01:07:06.560 Dwayne Wade said, well, you know, I can't identify myself as somebody that can't live in the state of Florida.

01:07:11.680 It's too extreme of policies with what the governor is doing there.

01:07:14.520 You know, with a trans kid, I have decided to take my kids to a different place. 0.87

01:07:17.860 No problem.

01:07:19.100 You know, today he may seem like a noble parent.

01:07:22.580 And it may look like, what a sweet father.

01:07:25.200 What a great mother you guys are.

01:07:26.860 You know, obviously the biological mother didn't support it.

01:07:28.860 But, you know, Dwayne Wade, more power to you.

01:07:31.220 But in 10 years, when that kid is 25 years old, in 20 years when that kid is 35 years old, that kid is going to say, why did you let me do that as a 13, 14?

01:07:39.000 I had no clue what I was doing.

01:07:40.700 Why did you let me make a decision like that?

01:07:42.840 Why didn't you wait until I was an adult?

01:07:44.180 Why did you do that, dad?

01:07:45.800 Then we are all going to realize whether that decision that was made in 2023 or 2022, it was a bad decision.

01:07:54.820 And unfortunately, Megan, this is the problem.

01:07:57.700 Unfortunately, some of these shitty ideas these guys are coming up with that are seeming like they're such noble people, it's going to take 10 to 20 years to realize they were horrible ideas. 0.58

01:08:08.100 And a lot of people, especially helpless people like kids, are going to suffer the consequences. 0.75

01:08:12.940 So as loud as many of us are going to be, as much as we're going to go out there and present common sense, unfortunately, some of these bad ideas are creating momentum and it's hurting the people that are helpless.

01:08:23.860 We talked about, of course, Dwayne Wade and Gabrielle Union, his wife, they're mad at Ron DeSantis.

01:08:29.340 They're mad about the allegedly don't say gay bill.

01:08:31.900 It's not.

01:08:32.260 It's a misnomer. 0.87

01:08:33.500 You can say gay all day long. 0.76

01:08:34.880 You can say it all day long. 0.97

01:08:35.640 You can say it in school.

01:08:36.480 You can actually have discussions about it.

01:08:38.140 It's just not going to be in your curriculum.

01:08:40.400 So they're leaving Florida.

01:08:42.420 Governor DeSantis, let's talk politics for a minute.

01:08:44.480 It's been kind of interesting what's happening with him.

01:08:47.020 He went on this book tour, which I thought was pretty lackluster.

01:08:51.480 I mean, he didn't make like a big splash.

01:08:53.400 It didn't really help his poll numbers.

01:08:55.320 He went into like only super friendly places and really didn't make a lot of news.

01:09:00.020 Then he went on this little world tour where he went on five.

01:09:03.900 He went to visit five different countries.

01:09:06.480 And I don't know what to make of it, Pat, because there was this very nasty report in Politico about how that went, in particular, this appearance he made in Great Britain.

01:09:16.560 But, you know, the press hates him.

01:09:18.380 So I'm trying to take it with a grain of salt while still being open minded to who he is, because we don't know him well enough.

01:09:24.240 We don't actually know whether this is why you have a primary, like you have to test the guy and see how.

01:09:29.180 But this is what Politico said.

01:09:30.500 They said he met with more than 50 representatives of major U.K. firms and business lobbying groups.

01:09:35.620 I mean, duh, he's, of course, running.

01:09:37.200 Like, I love how we all have to pretend he hasn't announced yet he might not be running.

01:09:40.020 Why the hell would the governor of Florida be doing any of this one one one U.K.

01:09:45.700 business figure said DeSantis, quote, looked bored and, quote, stared at his feet, quote, he had been to five different countries in five days and he definitely looks spent.

01:09:53.800 But his message wasn't presidential.

01:09:56.040 He was horrendous.

01:09:57.460 A second business figure who's in the room said it was a, quote, low wattage performance that, quote, nobody in the room was left thinking this man's going places.

01:10:07.360 They said it felt really a bit like we were watching a state level politician.

01:10:11.740 I wouldn't be surprised if people in attendance came out thinking that's not the guy.

01:10:15.160 So what do we have?

01:10:15.780 We have a left wing publication citing two people who are in the room who were underwhelmed by DeSantis.

01:10:21.320 OK.

01:10:22.440 To me, that sounds like what the press is going to do against any Republican who might be up and coming.

01:10:26.460 But the polls also show he's struggling.

01:10:30.820 He's struggling within the Republican Party to really resonate.

01:10:34.340 There are new polls out just today or over the past couple of days.

01:10:38.780 There's CBS, YouGov, Trump, 58, DeSantis, 22.

01:10:43.620 That's not good.

01:10:44.940 The previous was Trump, 42, DeSantis, 32.

01:10:47.940 So it's just 10 point difference in February.

01:10:50.400 Emerson, Trump, 62, DeSantis, 16.

01:10:54.700 Previously, there had been a 30 point difference between the two of them in February.

01:11:00.460 Trump continues to rack up all the pretty much all the endorsements there are to get in the Republican Party.

01:11:05.700 So where does that leave us?

01:11:08.820 Right.

01:11:09.040 How do we factor in left wing media bias against Republican candidates?

01:11:12.220 And is DeSantis genuinely faltering?

01:11:16.200 Because this stuff about not being able to really connect with people is a recurring theme.

01:11:21.100 Well, you said something I want to say five weeks ago when you said, why are you not coming on to my podcast to promote the books?

01:11:27.320 Or this was six weeks ago when you said this.

01:11:28.780 And I fully agreed with you.

01:11:29.900 I don't understand the marketing side.

01:11:32.500 I don't think they have a strength when it comes on to the marketing side.

01:11:34.780 See, in a company, if I were to hire Ron DeSantis as a president of a company, okay, say a GE hires him, say a company that's about driving initiatives, recruiting, hitting markers, quarterly numbers, doing quarterly calls, I think he would totally crush it.

01:11:53.060 Right. Because Tim Cook, Tim Cook's not a personality guy.

01:11:55.980 You don't go to Tim Cook and say, well, Tim Cook, if he was only a little bit more charismatic, Apple would have done better.

01:12:01.580 No, Tim Cook took Apple when Steve Jobs died from a hundred billion dollar company to nearly a three trillion dollar company.

01:12:08.260 That's 30 X-ing a hundred billion dollar company.

01:12:11.820 And nobody, not one person in the world is going to get up there and say, here's 10 keys to, you know, Tim, you know, his Tim Cook's charismatic personality.

01:12:21.260 We're never going to say that.

01:12:22.040 So in that arena, I think DeSantis would crush it.

01:12:25.460 In the arena of being a leader of a military unit, a general, he would crush it.

01:12:31.100 When you get into politics, there's this thing called cameras, okay, and TV and news.

01:12:37.120 And you have to sell the audience, okay?

01:12:41.160 Vivek Ramaswani is getting all this momentum.

01:12:43.160 You know who he is.

01:12:43.740 You hosted one of the great debates right after him and David Sachs went at it.

01:12:47.000 I thought it was fantastic what you did.

01:12:48.920 We're seeing him everywhere.

01:12:50.000 Literally, you're seeing him everywhere.

01:12:51.260 He's selling himself.

01:12:52.260 He's selling his ideas.

01:12:53.400 A lot of us are going like this.

01:12:54.560 And we're saying, it's actually a good idea.

01:12:56.540 I actually like the way he handled Don Lemon.

01:12:58.220 I actually like the way he did this.

01:12:59.700 And we're starting to say this more and more and more.

01:13:02.220 And it's kind of like, I'm kind of liking this guy a lot, right?

01:13:05.760 Now, let's go to Ron DeSantis.

01:13:07.420 We had this conversation today on our podcast with Jada Di and Bila and a bunch of different guys that we had here.

01:13:12.780 And here's what we talked about.

01:13:13.920 The concept of blue ocean strategy.

01:13:15.760 Blue ocean strategy, some will say, is the greatest marketing book ever written.

01:13:20.780 If you've never read it, you have to read it.

01:13:22.700 It's sold five and a half million copies.

01:13:24.240 And it's known as the top ten best business books of all time.

01:13:27.720 I expect everybody that works for me to read this book.

01:13:30.740 Phenomenal book.

01:13:31.380 In the book, they give the formula of how companies and individuals, us, can go compete against somebody that's big in the marketplace and not get on a red ocean.

01:13:41.540 Instead, compete in a blue ocean.

01:13:43.240 Red ocean is sharks that are all eating from each other.

01:13:46.020 And there's blood everywhere.

01:13:46.940 It's a red, like I steal your guys.

01:13:48.440 You steal my guys.

01:13:49.380 I steal your clients.

01:13:50.460 You say, I'll give you a better deal.

01:13:51.560 I'll give you better this.

01:13:52.320 I'll pay you more.

01:13:53.160 It's a red ocean.

01:13:54.540 Blue ocean says, no, just get away from that ocean and go into a complete different market. 0.56

01:13:57.900 Kind of like Yellow Hotel, the drink used to compete with wine.

01:14:00.340 Finally, they said, no, we're not going to be competing with wine.

01:14:02.860 Let's go compete with beer companies.

01:14:04.700 And then all of a sudden, they went and brought beer drinkers because their drink was six bucks.

01:14:08.300 And then boom, they took off.

01:14:09.160 Right.

01:14:09.300 OK, let's look at Ron DeSantis.

01:14:10.340 The formula is create, eliminate, increase, decrease.

01:14:16.760 OK, to separate yourself.

01:14:18.920 For example, when I started my own insurance company, I looked at the marketplace.

01:14:22.120 The average agent was a 56-year-old white male is what the average agent in the insurance industry was.

01:14:27.760 It was 17% women, 56 years old, and nobody used social media.

01:14:32.400 So I sat there and said, OK, I'm going to eliminate securities licenses.

01:14:36.320 We're not going to use Series 7, 66.

01:14:38.320 We're just going to do live.

01:14:39.640 We're going to increase social media presence because no one's using it.

01:14:43.900 We're going to create an environment to target women because women can talk to other women who are the decision makes about life insurance because typically mothers and wives are more concerned about life insurance than husbands and fathers are.

01:14:56.440 That's going to be our audience.

01:14:57.460 So today, if we put a convention to get at August with 15,000 people there, the average agent is going to be a 34-year-old Hispanic female. 1.00

01:15:04.380 That's what you call a blue ocean.

01:15:05.800 Then the market comes, and they buy our company a year ago, and it was a beautiful experience that we had, right?

01:15:10.660 Let's go to Ron DeSantis as a product, as a product.

01:15:14.360 Charisma, can he go face-to-face against Trump?

01:15:16.620 No way.

01:15:17.360 You're not going to win.

01:15:18.560 Trust me.

01:15:19.240 Ask Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

01:15:20.840 You're not going to be able to do that.

01:15:22.660 Trolling, can he go up against Trump?

01:15:24.400 Nope.

01:15:24.640 You're talking about a street brawler from New York.

01:15:27.000 Good luck trying to do that side.

01:15:29.740 Okay.

01:15:30.220 Where can he go and do that?

01:15:32.060 Military background.

01:15:33.360 Everything he does needs to be at a military unit because he served in the military, and he was a JAG lawyer for Navy SEAL unit, all this stuff.

01:15:40.720 Trump can't do that.

01:15:41.920 He can't.

01:15:42.340 Kind of like, remember back in the days when Ducasas tried to set himself up as a leader, and he's in the tank.

01:15:47.060 Boom, it was over.

01:15:47.980 That is actually an audience that he can play off of.

01:15:51.380 There's 30 million veterans in America.

01:15:52.960 That's a big vote.

01:15:53.800 You can go work off of that, and we'll look at this guy.

01:15:56.300 He looks like he's a military guy.

01:15:57.560 He looks like the commander-in-chief.

01:15:59.580 If he goes and talks about his track record during COVID, is there anybody above him on handling of COVID?

01:16:05.200 Are you kidding me?

01:16:05.880 You got the woke.

01:16:06.460 Yes, you know.

01:16:07.280 She's there, but she's not running.

01:16:09.340 Yeah, you got the – well, I agree totally.

01:16:11.680 You're right.

01:16:12.460 You got the woke who couldn't stand your policies. 0.95

01:16:15.240 You forced them while they had BLM on the floor to host the NBA finals in Florida. 1.00

01:16:20.420 I mean, how much of a – I would be talking about that 24-7.

01:16:24.260 AOC came to your state for vacation during Christmas.

01:16:27.220 This should be like, you know, the greatest hits that he can go on nonstop.

01:16:31.120 Now, this is the other part that sometimes, Megan, if let's just say – I'm assuming you and Tucker have spoken.

01:16:41.160 I'm not asking for you to answer that.

01:16:42.500 I'm just saying I'm assuming you and Tucker have spoken.

01:16:44.380 Why is that an assumption?

01:16:45.420 Well, because Tucker is probably a good idea for him to call you.

01:16:49.800 Why is that a good idea?

01:16:51.580 Because you've been through this before, okay, in a different way, but you know what that experience is to go through with Fox.

01:16:57.300 So he's probably called you.

01:16:58.760 I'm assuming Tucker's probably spoken to Beck and maybe even spoken to Bill O'Reilly.

01:17:03.920 Why?

01:17:04.560 Because these were all, at one point, cream of the crop, right?

01:17:08.180 There is wisdom in calling somebody else that's gone through what you've gone through.

01:17:14.320 Do I think Governor Ron DeSantis has called others to ask for wisdom of what to do, or do I think their camp thinks they know exactly what they're doing?

01:17:24.420 I don't know.

01:17:25.520 But if I'm a betting man, I'm more betting on them thinking they know what they're doing rather than leaning on others who have been through this before to say,

01:17:34.120 what should we do with our marketing strategy?

01:17:35.780 Should I be out there more?

01:17:36.680 I'm in Israel.

01:17:37.820 Yeah, I'm doing this.

01:17:38.540 You know, hey, he's looking tired.

01:17:40.080 What should I be saying when I'm doing this?

01:17:41.580 I think there's an element of that where you've got to bring some of the right supporting cast around you to help with the strategy.

01:17:48.080 Who knows?

01:17:48.720 Look, in about two weeks when he's going to be making the announcement that he's running because, you know, he's got a lock in his governor position,

01:17:53.640 maybe in two weeks when he comes out, Megan, he's going to shock the hell out of all of us.

01:17:57.000 He's going to take the gloves and say, ready?

01:17:58.880 Let's go because I'm free now.

01:18:00.020 You were thinking I was afraid.

01:18:01.320 I've not been afraid.

01:18:02.480 I couldn't make the decision until now.

01:18:04.340 Let's roll.

01:18:04.900 And maybe we're going to be shocked.

01:18:06.220 But until then, I think a lot of the criticism he's getting is fair.

01:18:09.640 He's going to be in Iowa at the same time as Donald Trump, which seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

01:18:16.380 I mean, like that seems like taking on Trump in his territory.

01:18:18.660 Remember, Trump last time in Iowa was literally giving people free helicopter rides in his helicopter.

01:18:24.680 That's him.

01:18:25.380 He's the marketing guy.

01:18:26.600 He gets marketing.

01:18:27.540 Trump is a marketer.

01:18:29.820 True.

01:18:30.320 I mean, that's how he made most of his money before the celebrity apprentice was just marketing out his name and getting paid license fees.

01:18:35.560 You know, he didn't actually run these buildings.

01:18:37.020 He let them use the Trump name, which, you know, used to be not that controversial.

01:18:41.080 It's different now.

01:18:42.000 All those buildings along the Upper West Side were used to ride the West Side Highway was Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

01:18:47.080 Not a single one has that anymore because it's the Upper West Side.

01:18:49.520 But it's tough to have it like head to head where you're trying to charm people and out charm Trump.

01:18:57.440 But I think you're making good sense.

01:18:59.280 I mean, like maybe he could lean in.

01:19:01.340 If I were DeSantis, I'm going to say this because I complained that he didn't come on the show and give me an interview because I really think he should have done that.

01:19:07.220 But I actually if I were if I were DeSantis, I would say go on with somebody, whether it's me or somebody else who can help you own your foibles, your weaknesses, who can help you make fun of yourself.

01:19:20.000 Like I would ask him, what's with weird the weird held head bob?

01:19:23.700 What are you doing that?

01:19:24.420 Like, why am I seeing these videos? 0.64

01:19:25.540 If you're looking like that, it's like kind of off putty.

01:19:27.680 I would ask him that.

01:19:29.020 I asked Putin why he's doing all these shirtless photos.

01:19:31.440 Trust me, I would ask DeSantis this question and then we have a chance to laugh at that.

01:19:35.180 You have a track record of asking those questions.

01:19:36.900 Yeah, I do.

01:19:38.060 And then and then we'd have a chance to laugh about it.

01:19:39.800 And I think people would get to see him be maybe self-deprecating, maybe own like a little weirdness about him.

01:19:45.820 Maybe he's like a little nerdy.

01:19:47.360 You know, I don't know what the like the answer is not to keep yourself in only protected spaces.

01:19:52.920 Even Trump, you know, next week he's going to do a town hall on CNN, which is like, OK, that is not a safe space for Trump.

01:20:01.580 I'm actually kind of curious about the strategy.

01:20:03.580 I don't think there's a lot of gettable voters on, you know, watching CNN right now.

01:20:07.880 I see why CNN wants to do it.

01:20:09.840 But I applaud the decision to sort of go in places where that are unexpected.

01:20:15.540 You got to respect that, right?

01:20:17.260 I mean, you know, when you when you think about boxing, UFC, MMA, we like fights.

01:20:22.520 You got to love the guy that's willing to go anywhere, anytime to brawl and fight.

01:20:27.140 There's something about that that's very attractive and appealing with Trump wanting to go on CNN strategically, logically on 70 different points.

01:20:35.080 We can say, don't do this. It doesn't make any sense.

01:20:37.800 But what's he going to do? Is Trump going to wait for Fox to flip their positions from DeSantis to Trump?

01:20:41.840 Because, you know, a lot of times you're hearing about the news that, you know, Fox is taking a position with DeSantis over Trump.

01:20:48.420 And even the poll that came out is a Fox poll that's showing Trump ahead of DeSantis.

01:20:52.180 So Trump's not going to be the one that's going to wait for Fox to want to support him.

01:20:55.320 That's not his play. He will go find a media.

01:20:57.180 You know why? Because there's certain people in the world that when you put the camera in front of them, they get eyeballs.

01:21:03.240 People want to know what they have to say. There's not too many of them.

01:21:06.380 He's at the top of that list. When he talks, people show up.

01:21:10.400 And CNN knows financially they're making the right move to get him on there.

01:21:14.680 But I know you're saying, is there going to be anybody to flip there?

01:21:17.960 I think you and I may be surprised how many people are sitting there and saying, really, I have to choose between this guy and Joe Biden.

01:21:27.800 I mean, I so many people that are not politically conservative or libertarian or independent.

01:21:37.860 Megan, Joe Rogan just said if he had to choose between Biden and Trump, he's going Trump.

01:21:43.940 If you would have said Joe's going to say this, he's a lefty.

01:21:47.920 He wanted Bernie Sanders last time around. He wanted Bernie Sanders.

01:21:50.480 So Elon Musk is now sitting there saying anything but Biden.

01:21:54.120 So, you know, I think you don't need as big of an audience as we think we need.

01:22:00.560 You need a small percentage of people to flip.

01:22:02.820 And if CNN is willing to host it, you know what he's going to do.

01:22:05.380 He's going to troll them. He's going to mock a lot of people.

01:22:08.940 He's going to tell a couple of jokes. He's going to call out and push his agenda.

01:22:12.460 And they're going to ask him tough questions. He's going to flip it on them.

01:22:15.440 And the interviewer is going to be just as scared as anybody else to interview him because he knows the interview is going to flip very, very quickly when you interview somebody like Trump.

01:22:23.820 And he's going to handle it. But, you know, again, the question is conversion.

01:22:27.460 You're asking the right question. We're going to find out 16 months from now, whatever the timeline is, 15 months from now, 17 months from now, if it's going to work or not.

01:22:35.200 It is an interesting strategy because, you know, you've got it.

01:22:37.840 I realize Fox has gone pro DeSantis, though. I mean, I really think they need to be open minded.

01:22:42.040 It's like DeSantis isn't doing very well right now.

01:22:44.500 I know he hasn't declared, but so far it's been a stumble out of the starting gate.

01:22:47.980 I think that's fair to say. You got Tim Scott, who's about to declare.

01:22:51.340 You got Asa Hutchinson, who doesn't really have much going on.

01:22:54.080 You got Nikki Haley. Mike Pence is probably going to throw his hat in soon.

01:22:57.460 You got Vivek, who is very interesting. I really hope people are open minded to him.

01:23:02.260 I think Vivek's biggest problem is he kind of looks like the smartest kid in the class who's always correcting everybody.

01:23:07.000 It's like that he's got it like that.

01:23:08.780 Like, be careful. You don't want to be that annoying kid.

01:23:11.460 But he does know more about virtually everything than anyone.

01:23:15.440 I mean, like there's a reason he's so confident.

01:23:19.600 So they have to keep an open mind because this is a primary process and it plays out for over a long period of months for a reason.

01:23:25.620 If you went back and looked at who is in the lead in April or May of 2015, which would be the equivalent of where we are now, I believe it was Jed Bush.

01:23:34.780 I'm pretty sure it was Jed Bush. I went out. I interviewed him at Liberty University.

01:23:38.620 It did not go well. And he soon fell out of the first position.

01:23:42.400 And before we knew it, Donald Trump was number one by that August debate.

01:23:45.920 Anything can happen.

01:23:48.080 Yeah. And by the way, Jeff had one hundred forty million dollars to start off with.

01:23:50.860 And remember, we used to talk about Walker. Oh, Walker, you know, Walker, you know, Walker is going to be the president.

01:23:55.660 And the note numbers just came back for Florida.

01:23:58.580 I think Wall Street Journal article came out yesterday talking about the fact that DeSantis is starting off with eighty six million dollars, which is a good amount of money to start off with as well.

01:24:08.040 Give or take maybe a million dollars off, but he's starting off with some money as well.

01:24:11.680 This is more than just money. You're going to need more than money to win this one here.

01:24:15.440 This is going to be ugly. It's going to be nasty.

01:24:17.720 It's going to be manipulative. It's going to be deceptive. It's going to be strange.

01:24:22.020 It's going to be things could change.

01:24:24.600 It's going to be like one of those games that you watch where, you know, great football game or great playoffs game where the score changed 17 different times.

01:24:32.420 There was 16 ties. And I think this is going to be that.

01:24:35.700 I think it's going to come down. Well, here's here's here's the real capper.

01:24:40.380 Trump could be in jail. Republicans need to be open minded to who else is in the field, whether you like DeSantis or not,

01:24:46.420 because he's got, by my count, at least four prosecutors coming for him.

01:24:51.120 I don't think much of these prosecutions, but that's not to say a jury will agree with me.

01:24:54.680 So things could get really wacky over the next couple of years as we get it.

01:24:59.460 All right. Stand by another side. I mean, you know, there's there the president's granddaughter right now is not being helped.

01:25:06.660 You know which one I'm talking about? Hunter's Hunter's daughter.

01:25:09.500 This is not a this is not a good look, but I think the scorecard is going to change many, many times.

01:25:15.200 I think it's going to be nasty. I think it's going to be ugly.

01:25:17.700 I think there's a lot of different possibilities. What happens?

01:25:20.680 I do believe the debates are going to be some of the most viewed ever, you know, ratings we're ever going to see.

01:25:28.540 This is going to be a in the media space. And listen, if I think about, oh, David versus Goliath.

01:25:33.760 First of all, Joe Biden is not a Goliath in any way. He got elected for many different reasons.

01:25:39.740 But I think this is going to be if you like the game of politics and you're in that space, which are selling ideas.

01:25:46.740 Man, I am so curious to know these strategic people behind closed doors, what they're going to do.

01:25:52.480 But is is there is the left going to leverage like you saw what he said at the dinner?

01:25:57.100 He says, well, you know, hey, there's a lot of media owners here.

01:26:00.080 There's CNBC in here, which they own NBC.

01:26:03.160 You know, the NBC on CNBC. And there is a Dominion here, which owns Fox News.

01:26:08.020 You know, those jokes, those are jokes that the writer wrote.

01:26:10.780 That's a very good joke for the writer to write.

01:26:12.700 It's like those moments where you're going to see, hey, if this is you keep talking about Fox News, you know, you keep talking about fake news.

01:26:19.760 You know, how about Fox? The fact that they paid a record break in seven eighty seven to demand.

01:26:24.200 These things are going to get the audience to be thinking about, well, record breaking, man, maybe Fox is the one that.

01:26:30.360 So people, you know, again, if the left uses that Roe v. Wade, this percentage of America was not for it.

01:26:37.040 But look what they did. There's a lot of different ways that you're going to have to.

01:26:42.820 The political strategists are going to be talking about. Talk about this. Avoid talking this.

01:26:46.360 That was not a good timing. That is something we should avoid. Don't address that.

01:26:48.960 There is no winning in that argument. We don't need to touch that argument. Touch this argument.

01:26:52.780 Push this even harder. That's what Trump did so eloquently and abruptly in 2015 and 2016 that worked for him.

01:27:00.060 So it's going to be a very unpredictable 15, 16, 17 months.

01:27:02.720 Well, that's the thing. So Trump is slippery on a lot of the really tough issues, which is a skill in a politician.

01:27:09.740 You know, DeSantis has the advantage or disadvantage, depending on the issue and how you look at it, of actually being in command right now down in Florida.

01:27:18.220 So, you know, he just signed off on that bill that moved the abortion limit back to six weeks.

01:27:23.160 That's going to be controversial in the general election.

01:27:26.060 This has been a very animating issue for the left, for women who are in the center.

01:27:31.700 Even some, you know, center right women who are pro-choice for whom this is an important issue might hold that against him.

01:27:39.760 Trump is. Yes, he gave us the three Supreme Court justices who overturned Dobbs, but he's slippery on this stuff and can't necessarily be pinned down as well as you would like him to.

01:27:50.760 I can speak to that firsthand.

01:27:52.120 All right. Stand by. P.B.D. stays with us. Don't go away.

01:28:00.240 Pat, so I understand that you've got some breaking news about Tucker Carlson. Tell us what it is.

01:28:05.180 Well, yeah, you know, we were about to make the announcement after your live show.

01:28:09.660 I was going to tweet it up, but I said, you know what? Let me just make this announcement here.

01:28:13.220 What better place to make it than Megyn Kelly show, Just Cross a Million Subscriber? 0.80

01:28:17.780 You know, one of the greatest ever to do it. So, Megyn, here's what we made a decision to do.

01:28:23.400 For me, Valuetainment, when we started Valuetainment after I went through the insurance industry, haven't been in it for 20 years, I said I'm going to be in the financial industry 20 years.

01:28:31.720 After that, it's going to be 40 years of media because I truly believe we need a media company to fight the fight that we have today in America and worldwide.

01:28:39.800 As a guy that's an immigrant from Iran and saw what it was like living in Iran to a mother whose family was a communist, to a father whose family was an imperialist.

01:28:48.580 And then I lived in Germany in the refugee camp for a couple of years and I came to the States, went to the 101st Airborne Division, and I've been blessed through the system of capitalism to make good money.

01:28:57.500 And now, knowing we want to compete in the media space with all the stuff that's going on, BuzzFeed, you hear the announcement, you know, a vice from a $5.7 billion company to now, you know, they're going through bankruptcy.

01:29:08.920 Don Lemon, Tucker, you know, and a couple other names that are soon to come.

01:29:13.060 We would like to make a public announcement offer to Tucker Carlson.

01:29:16.980 This is the first place I'm making this announcement because I believe Tucker's voice is one of the most necessary voices in America, and I believe he, at a place he is right now, we have a feeling of what would be important to somebody like that that's at the top of the game to get the kind of eyeballs that he was getting.

01:29:35.280 From 3 million views to a week later, 1.33 million views, we know the world needs to hear that voice, and I know a lot of different offers and companies that are talking and offers they're making.

01:29:45.520 And here's what our offer is.

01:29:47.320 We're willing to make a, on record, I'll be tweeting this right after I'm done here, and it'll be on Twitter, it'll be on YouTube, it'll be on all over the place, a $100 million five-year offer, equity position in the company, a president position, and a board seat to make decisions on what we want to do with docs, movies, specials, any other shows, and whatever else he wants to talk about.

01:30:12.060 A podcast, show, all of it on OTT, but that is an offer we're making to Tucker.

01:30:17.060 Tucker knows how to get a hold of me, and we feel he's a one-centered generation type of a voice, and we would love to have him be here with Valuetainment.

01:30:25.940 We may not be the biggest, obviously there's a lot of bigger names out there, but if you want to team up with somebody that's got the vision in place, the cause in place,

01:30:33.840 and it's a true believer on how great of a country America is that it's worth fighting for, and a fight is a real fight because the enemy is real, we feel we're the right fit to partner with somebody like Tucker Carlson.

01:30:46.480 So you are the first place I'm making this offer, Tucker Carlson.

01:30:49.020 I love this offer.

01:30:50.180 Okay, now we've got to get into the details.

01:30:51.480 Are you going to pay the production costs, or is he?

01:30:53.360 Because I know he doesn't want to have to deal with that nonsense.

01:30:55.860 We will pay the production costs.

01:30:58.140 Tucker, this is a good offer.

01:31:00.720 He's going to pay the production costs.

01:31:02.400 You're going to make $20 million a year.

01:31:03.760 You're going to be in charge.

01:31:04.460 No one's going to censor you, and you'll have the promotion and support of somebody who's already got a huge, huge following, which does make a difference.

01:31:11.440 I mean, I'm sure, I've said this before, but I'm sure Tucker's probably going to get a million followers as soon as he goes online because he's gumming straight off of the success of his primetime show.

01:31:21.040 So that'll be a boon to him, but to partner with a guy who's got 4 million subscribers would be wonderful, and you're a great guy.

01:31:27.480 You believe in his mission.

01:31:28.400 You know what you're getting.

01:31:28.940 You're not going to try to muzzle him.

01:31:31.100 No, you can't muzzle a guy like that.

01:31:33.200 No, no.

01:31:33.520 Tuck, tuck. 0.58

01:31:34.180 When you have a voice like that, you have to let that man free because he's not going based.

01:31:39.140 At this phase of his life, he's already made the money.

01:31:41.620 He does whatever he wants to do.

01:31:43.180 He can go hunting, spend time with his family, go to Maine, be in Florida, do this, do that.

01:31:48.920 Everything from here on, when a break like this is taken, it has to be all about the cause.

01:31:53.380 And as a person who's been to 40-plus countries worldwide, I have lived in very weird places worldwide.

01:32:00.360 I have been very poor, a welfare kid on lunch tickets, and I've had the fortune of making money.

01:32:05.600 There are certain people you have to let them loose, and this is the kind of guy that you need to let them loose.

01:32:09.800 When he makes a mistake, he went on, I think it was Milk Boys. 0.98

01:32:13.980 He was on the Folsom podcast, and he said, look, here's where I was wrong.

01:32:17.200 Here's where I was this.

01:32:18.300 There's a reason why he's number one, and people follow what he has to say.

01:32:22.200 It's not because he's perfect.

01:32:23.540 It's not because he presents himself as a person that knows everything, but he's not willing to back down.

01:32:29.300 He will fight, and it's very hard to find fighters nowadays.

01:32:31.680 Now, Pat, I'm not sure you're aware of the Media Matters videos that have just dropped on it.

01:32:36.260 Perhaps you'd like to update yourself before you extend this on the quote, quote, per Media Matters, creepy videos that someone, Irina, may have obtained of Tucker and miraculously released just today,

01:32:52.160 showing him referring to someone he's never met as yummy, which he makes clear as a joke, having a discussion with Piers Morgan about whether they're going to discuss sex on the air, and if so, how that's going to go, and another video in which he refers to as post-menopausal fans.

01:33:08.020 Are you recoiling?

01:33:08.900 Are you ready to cut ties?

01:33:10.200 Are you ready to withdraw the offer?

01:33:11.920 We're not signing somebody that's perfect.

01:33:13.740 We're not expecting perfection.

01:33:14.920 That's never been our standard.

01:33:15.960 Our standard's been progress, and if you look at history, for the people that had the guts,

01:33:22.160 to fight for freedom, they were never perfect.

01:33:25.300 So if you're expecting for a perfect person to show up, good luck to you.

01:33:27.980 You're going to have to go to many different places to find it.

01:33:30.800 No, we like his fight.

01:33:31.740 We like what he stands for.

01:33:33.080 I don't have a problem with how he is behind closed doors.

01:33:35.880 Again, we're not expecting somebody to be perfect, but if it is somebody that sees our proposition here, our offer here, and when I hear my story and I go and talk all over the place,

01:33:47.620 I build an insurance company with 44,000 different agents, so I've worked with a lot of different personalities.

01:33:52.160 I work with families that come with money.

01:33:54.380 I work with families that don't.

01:33:56.140 I work with guys that went to Ivy League schools.

01:33:58.080 I work with guys that are high school dropout.

01:34:00.060 I work with guys that come from a regular welfare family making $7.20 an hour to people that have done well for themselves from other professions.

01:34:11.540 We have good days.

01:34:13.200 We have bad days.

01:34:14.560 The standard to have people to have a perfect day on a daily basis, you are living in la-la land.

01:34:18.600 No, we're ready to do the fight, and if Tucker wants to come and partner and go out there, like I said, this whole game about doing something big in life is about running mates.

01:34:30.000 And your running mates you choose have to be true believers.

01:34:32.960 If you have a running mate that's not a true believer, it's just because of money, there's a time.

01:34:38.940 We were having a conference call this morning with seven of my executives, and I told them something.

01:34:43.520 I said, you know what's the best indicator to find out who was all about money and who was all about a true vision and a cause?

01:34:51.360 They said what?

01:34:51.880 The moment people make money, watch how they react.

01:34:56.500 When people make money, most people slow down.

01:35:00.020 It was all about money.

01:35:01.320 But when you make money and fame and accolades and you get stopped in the streets, everywhere you go, at the airport, in private airports, and you still get up in the morning with the same fire in your belly to go out there and do the fight, it was never about money for you.

01:35:15.280 There are very few people left in America at that level who have made the money.

01:35:20.140 That's about a true cause.

01:35:21.480 I think Tucker's one of them.

01:35:23.180 God bless you for seeing that.

01:35:24.860 I couldn't agree with you more.

01:35:26.780 It's, you know, I was talking about Jocko Willink right at the beginning of the hour, and it takes a certain constitution to become a Navy SEAL, to become that kind of soldier, to become an Army Ranger.

01:35:36.120 There's just these certain things, and you have to be built that way.

01:35:39.200 You have to be built for the fight.

01:35:40.560 And not to aggrandize the news profession because it doesn't deserve it.

01:35:44.500 But somebody like Tucker, who really does go against the grain and doesn't care, you have to be built that way.

01:35:50.620 I don't want to compare him to Trump, but Trump's kind of built that way, too.

01:35:54.100 I mean, I'm a little bit built that way in a different kind of way myself, so I can relate to it, and I admire it for similar reasons.

01:35:59.940 But he is a unique talent, and I think he could only ever partner with somebody who got it and appreciates it and doesn't expect that version of commentary to color within the lines.

01:36:09.780 And Patrick, David, thank you for being here, and thanks for believing in our mutual friend.

01:36:15.380 Anytime.

01:36:15.960 It's always great to be on.

01:36:16.880 Thank you for the invite.

01:36:18.100 All the best.

01:36:19.040 That was super fun.

01:36:19.860 Wow, I feel like we solved everything.

01:36:21.200 Yay! 0.99

01:36:21.960 We'll get back to you on where that goes.

01:36:24.800 Tomorrow, James O'Keefe will be here for the entire show.

01:36:28.220 And remember, go subscribe to the show at youtube.com slash Megan Kelly.

01:36:32.280 We'll talk tomorrow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 02, 2023

What New Leaked Tucker Carlson Videos Really Show, and Met Gala Debauchery, with The Hodgetwins and Patrick Bet-David ｜ Ep. 541

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