The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： All That CHAZ

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00:00:21.180 Welcome to the Daily Wire Backstage. It is Thursday, June 18th, a somber day for America

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00:03:05.620 Hey, everybody.

00:03:06.500 Welcome to The Daily Wire backstage and all that jazz.

00:03:09.300 We are excited to be with you, and we're really just excited to do anything.

00:03:15.340 It's a special, of course, Paul McCartney's birthday episode, and so I'd first like to say

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00:03:40.200 As always, I'm joined today by the entire, I think, lovable cast of The Daily Wire Island.

00:03:45.260 We have Benjamin Shapiro.

00:03:46.920 We have Andrew Klavan.

00:03:48.540 We have future Chaz Warlord Michael Knowles, 1.00

00:03:51.380 and we have, you got it, the lovely Alicia Krause.

00:03:55.200 Hey, Alicia, how's it going?

00:03:56.520 It's good to be here.

00:03:57.300 You know, I am pretty religious about listening to all the Daily Wire podcasts every day,

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00:04:06.500 I'm a big fan of doing that, even though we all know Ben doesn't like good music, let alone the Beatles.

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00:06:01.600 Thanks, Alicia.

00:06:02.280 One of the things that I really want to focus more with this show is taking more questions from the audience.

00:06:06.880 That's really part of the beauty of this show is getting to interact with our Daily Wire members and subscribers.

00:06:14.400 So we are going to try to be better about that.

00:06:16.460 But there is so much news that we have to talk about today.

00:06:20.220 We've got this unbelievable docket decision.

00:06:21.860 We have the Bolton leaks, which are definitely something that we want to talk about,

00:06:26.460 as well as all the anarchy, chaos, looting, and peaceful protests that are burning down cities near you nationwide.

00:06:31.600 But before we do that, I said last week that I was going to actually show everyone.

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00:08:27.580 And that way, you can actually listen to the song at the beginning of our shows.

00:08:32.060 Or alternatively, just wait until next episode and then do it so you don't have to suffer through that.

00:08:35.120 I always think secretly Ben loves us.

00:08:38.600 I think so.

00:08:39.140 But very secretly.

00:08:40.560 Like deep, deep, deep down.

00:08:42.320 All I can think of is I was desperately hoping that Knowles had COVID so that you would both die by the end of the song.

00:08:47.260 Because you were singing in close proximity with one another.

00:08:49.680 No, but I'm a protest to Ben, so I can't get COVID.

00:08:52.220 I'm actually immune to it because I protest.

00:08:55.320 So, there's some specific news stories that we should talk about.

00:08:58.620 But before we do, I think most people who aren't maybe as, listen, everyone's in the news these days.

00:09:02.920 But maybe people don't follow it in real time the way that we do.

00:09:05.780 And perhaps the biggest thing on everyone's mind is more of a macro, a high-level look at what's happening.

00:09:11.580 There's this sense that things are truly unraveling, that we're losing our society right now, that we've lost our collective minds.

00:09:18.380 Between the lockdowns, the COVID, the incredibly high death toll from COVID, the incredibly high unemployment numbers from the lockdowns,

00:09:27.060 you have the insanity happening in the streets.

00:09:29.820 You have this DA's decision to prosecute this police officer in Atlanta.

00:09:34.380 People, a lot of the people who write in, a lot of the people I interact with, I think people just don't know what to make of this moment,

00:09:40.740 how to stay optimistic in this moment, how not to let a moment like this crush you.

00:09:44.740 And it's occurred to me over these last weeks that that's actually, it seems that that's the objective of the media right now.

00:09:51.000 It's just to overwhelm people, to crush their spirits.

00:09:53.160 Could we maybe offer people a little bit of encouragement, a little bit of perspective on how history moves and what we might make of this moment, what it means for our futures?

00:10:02.820 Drew, what do you think?

00:10:04.460 Well, you know, I said when the 2016 election happened, I said this is a tragic election.

00:10:09.560 And I realized only years later that Americans don't have the word tragic in their dictionary.

00:10:14.620 They always think there's some way out of the tragedy.

00:10:17.160 But there's not.

00:10:18.820 One of two tragic things was going to happen.

00:10:21.240 One was that Hillary Clinton would be elected and the fact that our empty and destroyed elite systems were going to just spread. 0.63

00:10:28.300 And the other was that Donald Trump would be elected and they were going to be exposed as being as empty and as destroyed and as corrupt as they are.

00:10:35.120 And that's what's happening now.

00:10:36.220 So they're one of two outcomes of that situation.

00:10:40.300 When we see that our courts are lousy, our news is lousy, our legislature doesn't work and all those things.

00:10:47.320 When you see that happening, either it's going to be like Lansing a boil and better days will come of it.

00:10:51.780 We'll have to suffer through the pain and better days will come of it.

00:10:54.120 Or it'll be the end of the republic.

00:10:56.360 And I'm betting it's going to be like Lansing a boil.

00:10:58.080 I'm betting we're going to have some pain to go through, but it's going to be a good it's going to ultimately be a good thing that we have been seen exposed that our elites are empty.

00:11:06.720 They're misguided.

00:11:07.700 They're wrong.

00:11:08.440 And and they're not on our side.

00:11:11.160 Ben, how do you hold up during times?

00:11:12.800 I mean, you spend your entire day in the news.

00:11:14.460 How do you keep it from overwhelming you?

00:11:16.760 I mean, I stopped watching the news, which is a horrible pitch for our shows, but that is what it is.

00:11:20.920 I mean, the truth is, the more you're in the news, the more depressed you are.

00:11:23.540 If you're actually spending time with your family, you're far less depressed.

00:11:25.900 The problem is that the news has intruded into every area of our lives.

00:11:28.460 And that that really is the culturally totalitarian moment we're in.

00:11:31.200 You can't watch a movie.

00:11:31.980 You can't log on to Amazon to buy a product.

00:11:34.380 You literally cannot.

00:11:35.600 You're getting notes from your favorite exercise joint about about Black Lives Matter and the various ways in which you have experienced white privilege.

00:11:43.380 You're like, man, I just go there to pick up weights.

00:11:44.980 Like, what are you even talking about?

00:11:46.600 It's very, very irritating, obviously.

00:11:48.700 And more than irritating, it's it's disunifying at a time when unity seems really easy.

00:11:52.780 I mean, we all agree, I think, as that as that video that our friend Ali Stuckey put together that Knowles was in and Clayton was in.

00:11:58.440 Bad things are bad.

00:11:59.340 Like these are these are very obvious things.

00:12:00.980 But there is an attempt afoot to disunify the country in the aftermath.

00:12:05.120 I think probably of the Cold War.

00:12:06.660 There is a question as to what could unify Americans when there are really two ways that you can achieve unity.

00:12:11.280 Way to achieve unity.

00:12:12.100 Number one is you set a few top line rules.

00:12:13.740 And then so long as everybody obeys those top line rules, you can do what you want.

00:12:16.320 Right.

00:12:16.440 This is sort of the founding vision of what unity would look like.

00:12:18.620 You'd have a couple of rules of the federal level and then pretty much do what you want.

00:12:21.760 Have at it.

00:12:22.300 Right.

00:12:22.440 Enjoy.

00:12:22.840 Go to your local community and be.

00:12:24.500 And then there's way number two to achieve unity.

00:12:26.160 And that is purity rituals and now a struggle sessions and top down cram downs in every area of American life and American culture.

00:12:32.180 And that's what we're watching right now.

00:12:34.440 And it's really uncomfortable.

00:12:35.480 And so my hope lies in the fact that this is a very uncomfortable moment.

00:12:38.320 I don't see a lot of people who are looking at this and going, man, I feel like we're going to come out of this thing so much stronger.

00:12:42.960 There's a purifying fire.

00:12:44.060 We're going to come out forged into a more unified country.

00:12:47.060 No one feels like that.

00:12:47.840 Everybody feels like it's falling apart because it turns out that totalitarianism is not all that attractive, either culturally or governmentally.

00:12:54.400 So, Michael, it's the only person on the show who actually supports the Spanish Inquisition.

00:12:58.960 All the rest of it.

00:13:00.040 I know no one expects it, but I support it.

00:13:03.480 How are you keeping your head during these times?

00:13:05.600 I think it's if I'm going to find a silver lining in the storm cloud, it is this.

00:13:11.700 It's clarifying a lot of things here.

00:13:14.140 I think there's been an impulse, especially among conservatives, who tend to be nice guys, who want to find common ground with people, who really hate the divisiveness that the left has foisted on us racially, sexually.

00:13:25.840 The list goes on and on for decades now.

00:13:27.940 We want to find this common ground and say maybe you've got a point, leftists.

00:13:31.760 And one thing we're seeing here is they don't have a point.

00:13:34.880 They don't have a point.

00:13:36.160 And furthermore, if we pretend and we lie and we say they do have a point, that's only going to lead to more mayhem.

00:13:42.440 They've been telling us for years and years now that there's institutional racism and institutional oppression.

00:13:47.980 It dawned on me during the last few weeks.

00:13:50.620 The left controls all the institutions.

00:13:52.440 They control the media.

00:13:53.220 They control Hollywood.

00:13:54.060 They control big tech.

00:13:54.960 They control corporate America.

00:13:55.880 They control the administrative government.

00:13:57.440 On and on and on.

00:13:58.360 Right.

00:13:58.580 So if there were institutional racism, whose fault would that be?

00:14:01.600 It would be their fault.

00:14:02.360 The second thing that occurred to me during this time is conservatives have been so bullied and we're nice guys and we want to prove that we're not racists.

00:14:11.220 Right.

00:14:11.520 So we post the black square to Instagram.

00:14:14.680 We say black lives matter. 0.63

00:14:16.740 Nobody in this country, nobody thinks that black lives don't matter.

00:14:20.520 OK, when you say black lives matter, you are signing on to a radical organization that on their very Web site says one of their goals is to dismantle the Western prescribed nuclear family. 0.88

00:14:30.080 You don't need to be bullied into going along with that.

00:14:33.700 Even people all the way up to the White House have been buying into some of these premises just to be nice guys, just to show that we're all coming together.

00:14:40.940 And we see the consequences of pushing those lies in Atlanta.

00:14:45.440 We see a cop being charged with murder unjustly.

00:14:49.600 We see private businesses going up in flames.

00:14:51.800 I think it's clarifying and I think what it tells all of us is a lesson that we don't want to learn, but it's that we need to grow a spine, stand up for the truth and not spout leftist lies, even if we think it'll make us all come together because it won't.

00:15:05.260 Yeah, that that actually segues nicely into the stack of decision today, because I think that John Roberts is a guy who really believes that he can play nice.

00:15:13.260 I think he thinks that he has a singular role to play in unifying the country, preserving the courts by remove.

00:15:19.480 But, you know, listen, he votes our way 80, 90 percent of the time.

00:15:23.140 Right. So it's not like he's a complete disaster.

00:15:25.280 But then on these very important cases, which he perceives to be really divisive at a cultural level, he always errs on on the side of appease the left.

00:15:35.880 Don't compromise. Don't don't turn the left's ire against the court.

00:15:40.920 And even just in the last, what, 72 hours, that's brought us to court cases that fundamentally change the country.

00:15:49.000 I mean, this idea from from the decision last week, the idea that sex can be defined as identity, sex, gender identity and not by biology.

00:16:01.540 Gorsuch himself writing the majority opinion said that no one who wrote that law could have possibly envisioned that interpretation.

00:16:07.880 And yet he believes it's some sort of textual interpretation.

00:16:10.840 And then today, this decision that I guess if one administration illegally passes through executive fiat, some sort of regulation, the next administration can't by executive fiat turn back.

00:16:24.680 But what is the standard? And the standard is, well, let's just be nice and get along.

00:16:28.520 Am I missing something? Illegal and unconstitutional, by the way, by the administration's own admission when they were doing it.

00:16:34.720 Sure. I think I think you're being too nice to John Roberts.

00:16:38.540 I think the man is a coward. When he did the Obamacare decision, friends of mine who supported him said, no, no, he's just telling you that you're going to have to fix this by your vote.

00:16:49.380 He's not letting you off the hook for having voted for Obama. But this decision is really different.

00:16:54.040 This is a cynical, completely ridiculous decision that says exactly what he said, that Obama can take an admittedly unconstitutional action by executive order.

00:17:04.280 But Trump can't erase it by executive order. And, you know, what he said basically was you didn't do this procedurally correctly. 0.84

00:17:12.180 And if I were Donald Trump, which thank heavens I'm not.

00:17:15.220 But if I were, what I would do is I'd come back to him in a week with a thing from the Justice Department that does it procedurally correctly and really stuff it to him. 0.99

00:17:23.700 Because I just think he's a coward. I disagree about the Gorsuch decision. 0.56

00:17:27.700 I disagree with what people are saying it said. I think it's an absurd decision, but I don't think it's an illogical decision.

00:17:33.280 I think he wasn't saying that sex includes transgenderism.

00:17:37.220 He was saying that if you penalize somebody for doing penalize a man for doing the same thing a woman does, that's a discrimination under sex,

00:17:45.420 which is a really bizarre but logical example of textualism.

00:17:51.020 But but this this Roberts decision is just an act of cowardice.

00:17:54.040 So, Ben, you're you're one of the only conservatives in America who actually opposed Roberts during his confirmation.

00:18:01.300 Do you think Drew's reading that correctly?

00:18:03.940 I think that John Roberts's view of the Constitution and judicial activism is pretty simple.

00:18:09.300 And that is that he misinterprets judicial activism and he doesn't like judicial activism to mean the judiciary interfering in the process.

00:18:15.480 And so if the judiciary interferes in the process, this constitutes activism.

00:18:18.620 Now, the way that constitutionalists and textualists traditionally have read judicial activism is judicial activism is rewriting the law, rewriting the Constitution toward political ends.

00:18:27.580 But Roberts, as an institutionalist, which is how he's usually described, that means that he's he's usually trying to keep the court out of fights.

00:18:34.000 Now, what's weird is, of course, the LGBT case. 1.00

00:18:36.540 In that case, he voted with the majority.

00:18:37.980 But that cuts against the idea that really should be left to the legislature, which is normally where you would expect Roberts to come down.

00:18:43.540 I have a feeling the reason that he voted with the majority in that particular case is because if he had not voted with the majority, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is writing that opinion.

00:18:49.840 Right. And if Ruth Bader Ginsburg writes that opinion, you get an excoriating routine against religious America.

00:18:55.400 And the decision goes much further than it does.

00:18:57.360 Right. Gorsuch basically says, don't worry, there will be carve outs for religious institutions.

00:19:00.360 There will be carve outs for ministerial exceptions and all the rest of this.

00:19:04.060 And so my read on Roberts is that not that not that, you know, it's a matter of personal cowardice, but that Roberts was never a particularly originalist guy.

00:19:12.180 He was never a textualist. There was no long history.

00:19:14.340 Gorsuch is more of a shock in that LGBT case only because, again, there is no way to interpret the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation, let alone gender identity.

00:19:22.780 There's just no way to do it.

00:19:24.240 And and the idea that he is going to back feed that, that he's going to backfill that that sort of meaning into the word sex.

00:19:31.180 Well, clearly, that's not what it means. It creates all sorts of illogic in the in the structure of the Civil Rights Act itself.

00:19:37.440 As I've pointed out, it brings Title seven into direct conflict of Title nine, because now what about the fact that you're supposed to have separate funding for men and women's sports?

00:19:44.540 What constitutes a man or a woman? Right. Clearly, this is not what was meant by the law.

00:19:47.760 And Democrats didn't even think this is what was meant by the law, which is why they've been pursuing the Equality Act for all these years,

00:19:53.120 trying to actually rewrite the law to include all these things that Gorsuch just rewrote the law to include.

00:19:57.160 So the Gorsuch decision is a lot more troubling to me than the than than whatever Roberts does.

00:20:02.020 As far as the DACA decision, the real key there is that Roberts and when Trump said they just don't seem to like me.

00:20:08.220 That's kind of right. I mean, that kind of is right, because basically what the decision is, is if he had done it the right way,

00:20:13.520 then probably we would let it go. But he did it the wrong way. And so we're not going to let it go.

00:20:17.000 Right. And they had similar words with regard to even the the travel ban.

00:20:21.440 Right. They said, well, we'll kind of let it go. But we really don't like his verbiage very much.

00:20:24.700 But, you know, it just demonstrates all of the trouble that you run into when you're President Trump and you use your Twitter account to do random stuff.

00:20:31.860 But obviously, it's a very bad decision. And as Thomas says, it really does leave the door wide open to Donald Trump as he walks out the door in in either six months or four years,

00:20:41.160 putting out a series of sweeping executive actions and then basically daring the next administration to knock them down.

00:20:46.420 So, yeah, I want to I actually know, I just go ahead, please.

00:20:50.640 Well, I just I just want to say about this Gorsuch decision that the the thing that I'm trying to clarify is that Gorsuch was being a textualist, but not an originalist.

00:20:57.640 What he was what he was basically saying is if John, if Mary sleeps with a man and John sleeps with a man and you penalize John, you're only penalizing him because he's a man.

00:21:08.860 So essentially, he was saying there is no traits that are natural to men and women, which is that that's really what he's saying, which is a spectacular thing for a Supreme Court justice to say.

00:21:19.680 And it's such a bad decision because of that. He's not saying that they what they mean by this is you can't penalize somebody for being gay.

00:21:27.360 What he's saying is that being gay is an act determined by your sex. And and that's nuts. 0.99

00:21:33.580 I mean, that is a nutty thing to say, but but it makes this kind of crazy sense outside of real life.

00:21:38.280 If you see what I mean, as long as you don't disagree with what with what you're saying, Drew, or I don't even disagree with what you're saying, Ben, either.

00:21:45.640 I think that it winds up being more simple than that, though.

00:21:47.940 I think that these guys put their finger up and they realize the cultural winds are blowing so hard that they do not want history to judge them.

00:21:57.580 What they're what they're the most afraid of is being a Ben, is it Plessy v. Ferguson?

00:22:04.260 Like or is it Brown v. Board? Which one undoes the other one?

00:22:07.160 The worst the worst thing, you know, you don't want to be Plessy v. Ferguson.

00:22:11.140 You don't want to be Plessy v. Ferguson. Like, I think that's how they see their role is.

00:22:14.880 Listen, this is all fait accompli.

00:22:17.060 We don't want to be remembered as the guys who are on the wrong side of history to use Barack Obama's.

00:22:21.640 Well, the history point here, I think, is the key to understanding this.

00:22:25.200 And this is what Senator Josh Hawley made a real barn burner speech the other day about.

00:22:29.860 He said that this decision, specifically with regard to the Gorsuch decision, represents the end of what we have called the conservative legal movement.

00:22:38.660 And you might like the conservative legal movement.

00:22:40.440 You might like the things that it has to say.

00:22:42.840 But the mere fact is that we keep losing.

00:22:46.300 We lose on the most fundamental issues.

00:22:49.120 I mean, they have just, for all intents and purposes, rewritten the most significant law of the 20th century by those nine robed lawyers on the Supreme Court.

00:22:56.960 And they've redefined sex, the most basic aspect of our nature.

00:23:00.020 We lost on Obamacare.

00:23:01.960 We lost on the definition of marriage.

00:23:03.660 We lost on abortion in Casey.

00:23:06.860 By the way, they turned down, worth noting, they turned down a bevy of Second Amendment cases that would have clarified the right to keep and bear arms at the exact same time they were doing this.

00:23:13.360 Great point.

00:23:13.920 Yeah, that's right.

00:23:14.400 And what it really means is that this quiver in the electoral, this arrow in the electoral quiver for Republicans is almost over.

00:23:22.380 The idea that you have to elect Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton's going to get to appoint the justices. 1.00

00:23:27.200 But what does that matter if the justices that are appointed by Republicans still vote with the left?

00:23:32.360 If that's the case, Republicans are going to need a better pitch. 0.97

00:23:35.640 Ben, you bring up the Second Amendment and how the court did not move to defend it.

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00:26:07.920 You know, one of the things that I'm concerned about as a resident of the state of California, especially as you watch all the lawlessness, you watch during the lockdowns, they start turning criminals out of the prisons.

00:26:18.820 Then they start allowing for rioters to burn down large segments of the city.

00:26:22.940 Then they start saying, cutting the funding for the police, not paying the police their overtime.

00:26:27.740 I've been very concerned about the fact that the state in which I live, if I am forced to use a weapon to defend my own life, the state's going to actually take up its case against me.

00:26:38.200 It's not going to support my ability to defend myself.

00:26:40.800 It's going to support the person against whom I had to defend myself.

00:26:44.140 And then I tell myself, well, but that is there are still police out there.

00:26:47.600 Then you see this case in Atlanta and you realize, no, they're going to they're going to actually turn against the police as well.

00:26:53.120 And that's not in California. That's in Georgia.

00:26:56.500 I'm sure we may get a chance to talk about that a little later, but something that I'm very concerned about.

00:27:00.200 Alicia, before we do that, I want to hear from some of our Daily Wire dot com subscribers.

00:27:04.840 Yeah. And one of the cool things about Daily Wire dot com subscribers is that if you're an all access member, you get to chat with all of us after backstage tonight and you can watch a live stream of President Trump's rally with Michael Knowles this Saturday.

00:27:18.880 So head on over to Daily Wire dot com slash subscribe and be sure to use that code backstage for 15 percent off of that all access membership.

00:27:25.860 And you get to ask questions on shows like this, like backstage.

00:27:29.400 So this question is for Ben and it is from an awesome Daily Wire subscriber who asks if the governing authorities in Washington state failed to get control of the Chaz, what should the federal government's involvement or strategy be?

00:27:43.680 Well, at this point, there's a serious question as to whether the federal civil rights of people who are living in that area and don't actually approve of Chaz are being violated.

00:27:51.140 And obviously, if this were Ammon Bundy and crew pulling up at their ranch in the middle of nowhere and being angry that they weren't allowed to kill tortoises, then we would have a national scandal on our hands.

00:28:02.020 But because it's a bunch of leftists who have decided to take over a downtown area of a major city and then just sit there and plant themselves there and then create their own police, then obviously that's totally fine, according to the media.

00:28:12.620 I mean, the role here is that if the president wanted, he could actually invoke the Insurrection Act, right, in the same way that he was talking about for rioters and looters.

00:28:18.460 He could say that there is an actual insurrection. I mean, they've declared themselves a separate republic, which is the definition of an insurrection.

00:28:24.760 Right. And he could say, listen, if the mayor isn't going to do anything here and if the state isn't going to do anything here, then this thing is over in 72 hours or I'm going in.

00:28:31.140 Now, does Trump think that's in his interest? Probably not, because, again, a bloody Waco situation with a largely minority group fighting that. 1.00

00:28:39.900 Although, honestly, if you see the pictures from Chaz, it seems like a bunch of bored white people with a few with a few black people there as well.

00:28:47.400 But I mean, that's also called the city of Seattle. But in any case, the the idea, the I mean, I used to do a show in Seattle.

00:28:54.500 The idea that Trump has to sit there is wrong. But politically, is he going to do anything about it?

00:28:58.240 Probably not. And you know what? Fine. Let it fester like a wound in the center of the city of Seattle.

00:29:02.100 I actually have a lot of sympathy. It's the same thing.

00:29:04.520 I have a lot of sympathy for the cops in Atlanta and the cops in L.A. and the cops in New York.

00:29:08.080 All of them are talking about, you know what? You don't want us here. Fine. Enjoy.

00:29:11.980 You want the Republic of Chaz to be the new or it's called CHOP.

00:29:16.000 They renamed themselves guys. It's no longer Chaz. It's now CHOP because it's the occupied. 0.97

00:29:20.260 It's the occupied zone. If you want that to be the new normal, then just, you know, fine. 0.94

00:29:25.200 All right. And you know what? I think that they should expand their territorial holdings, frankly.

00:29:28.560 It seems like a zone of freedom and happiness. Mayor Jenny Durkin in Seattle has declared that it's a street fair.

00:29:32.600 It seems to me that virtually all of Seattle should be put under the tender mercies of Raz Simone and the armed crew over at Chaz Chop.

00:29:39.120 And they can all enjoy the wonders of an anarcho-communist experiment.

00:29:44.080 I think that it should just be expanded and the left should get to get what they want good and hard, as H.L. Mencken once suggested.

00:29:49.220 I couldn't disagree more. I won't be satisfied until Trump, astride a mighty white stallion, goes all whiskey rebellion on their asses. 1.00

00:29:57.740 Yeah. That's it. I've been waiting. America's been waiting 240 years for a president to lead troops into an American city like the good old days. 0.99

00:30:05.960 You know, Jeremy, to this point, this does make you miss the days of Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and the neocons.

00:30:12.100 I want shock and awe in Soymalia. I want us to invade the Soviet Union, Viganzuela. 1.00

00:30:18.820 I want tanks and troops and to show a little bit of American strength.

00:30:23.220 Alicia, what else are we hearing?

00:30:24.920 All right, Jeremy, this question comes from a concerned wife of a future law enforcement officer.

00:30:29.680 She says that her husband just got hired by their local police department, of course, didn't say where,

00:30:33.940 and will graduate from the police academy in mid-November, right after the election.

00:30:37.860 So what are your predictions for what law enforcement is going to look like five months from now after the election and maybe even five years from now?

00:30:45.340 Yeah, it's a great question. Listen, like Ben, I have a lot of pity for the people.

00:30:49.260 Sympathy is a better word. Sympathy for the people who have chosen this profession right now.

00:30:54.920 I think that we're about to see a major decline in America's urban centers.

00:30:59.080 I think that the cities are about to descend back into their sort of 1970s pre-Giuliani crime infested state.

00:31:07.860 Because what incentive would police officers have to enforce?

00:31:11.860 So to answer the question of the member directly, it really depends on where your husband is planning to be a cop.

00:31:21.640 Because I think that if it's in a major urban center, if it's in a city of, I don't know, a metro area of more than a million people,

00:31:28.900 I think that it's, I think that the prospects are kind of bleak, to be quite candid.

00:31:35.960 I think it's going to be a bad time to be a cop in those kinds of environments.

00:31:39.740 At the same time, half the country is still, or slightly less than half the country, is still more rural than that.

00:31:45.800 Those are communities where I think police forces are still going to be really respected,

00:31:50.240 where people, you know, really look with admiration to the thin blue line.

00:31:53.740 So, you know, there's not a one-size-fits-all answer, except to say that I think even in leading red places like Georgia or other states,

00:32:03.280 I think that urban Democrat-controlled areas are going to be very hard on law enforcement for the foreseeable future.

00:32:09.860 All right, next question is for Drew.

00:32:14.020 We've seen an increase in homeschooling, of course, due to COVID, and an increase, apparently, national polling of parents that say they want to continue to homeschool.

00:32:21.740 So given that information, and with private schools being so expensive, what is your personal opinion of homeschooling,

00:32:27.880 and do you think America would be better off if more parents ended up homeschooling?

00:32:32.200 Absolutely. I absolutely think they'd be better off with more parents homeschooling.

00:32:35.740 I think they'd be better off with charter schools and with any kind of school choice to take our children away from utterly corrupt unions

00:32:43.280 that hide behind the decent teachers who sometimes teach working for those unions,

00:32:48.080 but are basically do not have the best interests of our children at heart and do not have the best interests of families in the future at heart.

00:32:54.640 So anything parents can do to take back the education of their children, I am in favor of.

00:33:00.740 It's one of the things that may come out of these lockdowns.

00:33:04.100 Already, people are telling their employers they don't want to come back to work.

00:33:08.360 There are people moving out of the urban areas.

00:33:10.820 There are women starting to say, you know, this raising kids thing is actually more essential than I thought it was. 1.00

00:33:18.260 So I think there are going to be a lot of people who wake up to the fact that we have been going down a road

00:33:22.200 that has taken us away from our families, that's taken us away from the things that actually matter.

00:33:26.620 Look, it's going to be an individual thing.

00:33:28.480 We don't know how much of it will happen, but every time it happens, an angel gets his wings.

00:33:31.940 And I think that that goes especially for homeschooling.

00:33:36.440 Alicia, one more question.

00:33:38.400 Yeah. All right. This one goes to Michael.

00:33:40.700 And I think that this is going to be interesting to all of us.

00:33:43.100 If you formed your own autonomous zone, like beyond the Michael Nulls studio, what would you call it?

00:33:48.520 Don't use words like autonomous zone with Michael Nulls.

00:33:50.600 What would you call it, Michael?

00:33:54.260 What would I call it?

00:33:55.320 Well, obviously, the occupied zone.

00:33:57.600 I've already referred to many of the names that it has.

00:34:00.160 This is a very difficult question.

00:34:02.720 I actually what we'll need to do is replace Columbia.

00:34:07.080 Columbia is going to change its name because obviously Christopher Columbus is a terrible guy and the left hates him.

00:34:11.760 And he's canceled.

00:34:12.700 So I don't know.

00:34:13.180 They're going to rename it like, you know, Bernie Sanders land or something.

00:34:18.100 And then that Columbia is going to be open again.

00:34:20.200 And I'm going to name my occupied zone Columbia because they ain't tearing those statues down in Michael Nulls territory, baby.

00:34:26.180 We're going to have a statue of Christopher Columbus on every street block and people are going to love it.

00:34:30.420 And they're not going to kneel and they're not going to protest it.

00:34:32.440 They're going to salute it.

00:34:35.540 I honestly feel like we just got canceled.

00:34:38.640 We are now officially canceled.

00:34:40.600 It's over.

00:34:40.920 Yep.

00:34:41.400 We're going to tell the difference.

00:34:42.420 So we'll hear for some more of our dailywire.com members here in just a little bit.

00:34:48.060 Alicia, thanks for bringing those first round of questions to us.

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00:36:45.280 I wonder, is the postal service actually running in the chop?

00:36:49.720 I'm not joking.

00:36:50.540 They have their own postal service.

00:36:51.440 What kind of services do, it's really a question of what services are acknowledging that the occupied zone is an occupied zone and which ones are not?

00:36:59.980 So actually the reason, sorry, go ahead.

00:37:02.220 They have a department of agriculture.

00:37:03.380 Yeah, they have a department of agriculture.

00:37:04.620 If you've seen the farming equipment that they've brought out, it is astonishing.

00:37:09.260 I mean, I'm a city boy and I will say I don't know much about farming, but I've never heard of a process by which you put down cardboard on cement and then just take some topsoil, plant it on top and plop a couple plants on top.

00:37:18.260 I feel like in seven years there will be enough food there for one half of a vegan salad, which is very exciting stuff.

00:37:25.200 You know, the reason they changed the name from Chaz to Chop, this is not a joke, the reason they changed the name is precisely because they kept wanting the welfare.

00:37:33.200 So they wanted the government services.

00:37:34.840 If you're an autonomous zone, you were declaring yourself an independent state.

00:37:38.360 They realized that wasn't a good look.

00:37:39.680 Seriously, yeah.

00:37:40.260 So it became the Capitol Hill occupied or organized protest.

00:37:44.720 So you're still protesting within the bounds and you can still receive welfare.

00:37:47.980 You can still receive government services and it reduces the risk that the cops are going to come come in and shoot you.

00:37:53.100 I honestly I want this thing to be like the Berlin Airlift.

00:37:55.880 I want this thing to become like fully autonomous and China just starts flying in air supplies to Chaz Chop.

00:38:01.760 And it becomes like this island of of communist chaos.

00:38:06.060 You have like the Castro brothers are sending in military supplies to Chaz Chop. 0.99

00:38:10.360 Let's just do this thing whole hog.

00:38:11.800 I feel like I'm I'm with I'm with you 100 percent on this, Ben.

00:38:15.220 And I want this thing to really show everybody exactly what's been being pushed down our throats for all these years.

00:38:20.800 Here it is.

00:38:21.540 Live like this.

00:38:22.340 Or you can go back to the way you were before.

00:38:24.140 It's perfect.

00:38:24.840 Yeah.

00:38:26.060 So our friend Trump on a horse was good, too.

00:38:28.280 Yeah.

00:38:28.420 Trump on a horse.

00:38:29.180 Listen, you make it make a great painting.

00:38:32.520 If remember, Matt Walsh is coming up on the show.

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00:38:38.100 Where is where is Matt?

00:38:39.060 He's on the East Coast.

00:38:39.600 He's in the woods somewhere.

00:38:40.640 In a car.

00:38:41.320 He rarely sees civilization.

00:38:43.160 But Matt's going to be joining us because it's his birthday.

00:38:45.420 So we'll be hearing some great insights from Matt coming up.

00:38:48.440 And plus, you'll have the chance to wish him a happy birthday.

00:38:51.460 In the meantime.

00:38:53.600 I want to talk about John Bolton and what it means for the 2016 election.

00:38:58.160 For those who haven't followed the news today, you'll remember back during the impeachment hearings

00:39:02.460 that John Bolton was teasing that he had a book that he was going to release.

00:39:05.500 The left seemed convinced that this book would be the nail in the coffin for impeachment.

00:39:08.420 They wanted John Bolton to testify.

00:39:10.320 Ultimately, the Senate decided that they were not going to bring additional witnesses.

00:39:14.060 And so Bolton did not have an opportunity to come up and play a role in those hearings in the Senate.

00:39:21.760 Now, however, he's in a real feud with the White House.

00:39:24.280 He has been ever since about releasing the book.

00:39:26.060 The White House says that they will block it, that there's classified material in it.

00:39:29.480 And so here we are six months later, and they're actually starting to leak,

00:39:32.960 which I thought was going to happen.

00:39:35.020 I mean, isn't it shocking that none of these leaks happened during the impeachment hearings?

00:39:38.180 It's not, it's not, dude, it's not leaked.

00:39:40.300 I have a copy in my house of the book.

00:39:42.680 Do you really?

00:39:43.180 I do.

00:39:43.720 Okay, absolutely.

00:39:45.100 Simon & Schuster has been sending out copies of the books to everyone.

00:39:48.420 This is not a leak.

00:39:49.120 There is a full 450 page book if you really feel like that many musings and note takings of John Bolton.

00:39:54.960 It exists.

00:39:55.640 It is sitting in my den right now.

00:39:57.520 I flipped through it a little bit earlier.

00:39:59.120 And I mean, as soon as it did, my eyes burned through because I'd seen classified material and all the world was ended.

00:40:05.440 But the media's sudden recognition that John Bolton is a truth teller is really amusing.

00:40:11.360 Strange new respect, Dan.

00:40:12.820 Strange new respect.

00:40:13.520 Strange new respect.

00:40:14.380 Although they still hate him.

00:40:15.200 I mean, he's the only one I've seen, really, where they don't even give him the strange new respect.

00:40:18.480 I mean, the reviews are all like, you should totally read this book. 0.98

00:40:20.440 But also, John Bolton's a jackass. 0.53

00:40:22.120 And they hate him so much because he's a neocon that they can't even give him the credit of the strange new respect for, like, the five seconds that everyone is normally a lot in this Andy Warholian universe of where you oppose Trump, you get the strange new respect for five minutes. 0.97

00:40:34.260 But the part of it that's amazing to me is that any of this is truly a story.

00:40:38.640 Because I'm just wondering what we learned.

00:40:40.180 You mean Donald Trump says the quiet part out loud and reads the stage directions aloud?

00:40:43.880 You mean that Donald Trump says terrible things on a routine basis if he thinks that he's in the midst of a transactional negotiation?

00:40:49.740 Like, I'm old enough to remember when he just went on Bill O'Reilly's show and said that America killed people like Russia.

00:40:54.000 So the idea that he said to Xi Jinping that concentration camps sounds amazing. 1.00

00:40:58.940 Like, yes, is it atrocious?

00:41:01.400 Also, have you been, like, alive for the past several years?

00:41:04.660 Like, I'm just confused.

00:41:05.740 He has a Twitter account. 0.99

00:41:07.160 He says crap all the time on the Twitter account. 0.97

00:41:09.320 I assume most people on Twitter can read, although that may be more of an assumption than anything else. 0.99

00:41:14.080 And the idea that there's anything that's, like, bombshell revelations.

00:41:17.480 Oh, my God, he's transactional. 1.00

00:41:19.040 Oh, my God, he says stupid crap. 1.00

00:41:20.320 Oh, my God, he doesn't know that Finland isn't part of the Soviet Union. 1.00

00:41:24.140 And?

00:41:25.140 And?

00:41:25.800 Like, what exactly is the giant revelation here?

00:41:28.200 Something can be news without it actually being news.

00:41:31.560 And I think that's what this book is, really.

00:41:32.800 I think this is exactly the point here, Ben.

00:41:35.440 I just, my view on it is the conservative ire at Ambassador Bolton is a little bit misdirected.

00:41:42.500 Precisely because this didn't interfere with the impeachment.

00:41:45.920 This didn't really cause any political harm to President Trump.

00:41:49.160 Actually, President Trump thrives when he has an opponent and someone that he can be dunking on.

00:41:54.580 And this is probably going to sell more books for John Bolton.

00:41:58.120 To me, this seems, as you say, much ado about nothing.

00:42:01.700 It's good political drama.

00:42:03.220 But ultimately, is this is it really going to hurt the president or the White House?

00:42:06.400 I don't think so.

00:42:07.260 Sure. 0.98

00:42:08.500 I can't understand why Trump made such a fuss about it unless unless there's some strategy here that is to say not only is he a liar, but he's a traitor. 0.65

00:42:17.380 He's revealing all this information because all he's done is give this book.

00:42:21.140 I mean, look, a new book saying all this stuff, like Ben said, all this stuff about Donald Trump that we've all heard before.

00:42:26.740 We've seen it in front of us.

00:42:27.900 It rolls right off him.

00:42:29.140 It never sticks to him.

00:42:30.280 And yet he's given this thing enough advertising to put it on the bestseller list.

00:42:34.300 I don't really think it would have been that long if he had just kept quiet.

00:42:37.660 I want to start a drinking game.

00:42:38.440 I swear to God.

00:42:39.180 If you say Trump and strategy in the same sentence ever again, Drew, I am going to reach through the COVID, the COVID riddled world through the wires that connect me to you at this point.

00:42:53.200 And a hand is going to emerge from your computer screen and just finish you off because, my God, dude, we've been in the midst of rioting and looting for like several weeks at this point.

00:43:03.320 The entire Atlanta PD walked off its job yesterday. 1.00

00:43:06.100 And this idiot, I'm sorry, like what he's doing is idiotic. 1.00

00:43:08.620 It is idiotic. 1.00

00:43:09.480 It is political malpractice. 1.00

00:43:10.760 I'm going to vote for him, by the way.

00:43:12.020 And it's political malpractice.

00:43:13.300 I've gotten more calls to my show in the last month from people who love Trump, who are chiding me in 2016 for not voting for Trump and who are saying, what the hell is he doing?

00:43:21.580 And I don't have an answer because he doesn't have an answer.

00:43:24.060 It is political malpractice.

00:43:25.580 He's been he's being handed rioting and looting. 1.00

00:43:27.580 And he's tweeting about John Bolton and whatever stupid ratings CNN is getting or is not getting. 0.99

00:43:32.980 He's in the middle of a reelect effort in which he is down by double digits to a dead person. 1.00

00:43:37.000 By double digits to a dead person.

00:43:38.720 He is losing by the polls in Arizona and North Carolina.

00:43:41.460 He's getting wiped out in Florida by nearly double digits.

00:43:43.860 And he's spending his time tweeting about John Bolton's a mean man. 1.00

00:43:46.560 He's very bad, mean liar. 1.00

00:43:48.200 And also he's a traitor. 0.99

00:43:49.100 And I'm going to sue to get back those half a million books that have already been shipped to people and are sitting in their living rooms. 0.86

00:43:53.680 I'm going to go to their house.

00:43:54.540 I'm going to scratch them out with the Sharpie.

00:43:56.220 Drew, if you tell me that there is anything remotely like a strategy happening here right now, I'm going to start to question your sanity. 0.98

00:44:01.880 I swear this is ridiculous.

00:44:03.660 You know, I have to say, first of all, I agree that he's handled these last this last month, at least really, really badly. 0.92

00:44:10.220 And I've been wondering if, you know, look, you can say he has no strategy, whatever you want.

00:44:15.140 But he has instincts.

00:44:16.040 He's always had good instincts.

00:44:17.220 And he sometimes had better instincts than we have had when we have been kind of overthinking things.

00:44:21.380 He feels his way.

00:44:22.480 But I wonder if being locked down in Washington, he's basically suffering from the greenhouse effect.

00:44:27.720 He's basically surrounded by all the people the politicians are surrounded by all the time.

00:44:31.980 And he's lost his feel for the people who who actually do like him.

00:44:36.180 So I'm kind of glad he's going to Oklahoma to do this thing.

00:44:39.480 I just like him to get out of the house a little bit more because he can't.

00:44:43.020 The idea I agree with you about this, Ben.

00:44:45.440 And I the idea that anybody cares anymore who his enemies are when their cities are burning down, when, you know, everybody is the economy's lousy and all this stuff is going on.

00:44:55.780 And he's still in these private fights.

00:44:58.160 I don't know what to say about it.

00:44:59.660 I just think he has lost his.

00:45:01.520 He's tweeting about walking down ramps, dude.

00:45:03.540 With the people who love him.

00:45:05.540 He tweeted about walking down a ramp.

00:45:07.720 The ramp was very steep and it was slippery.

00:45:09.520 And if I walked very if I had not walked slowly, momentum, exclamation point.

00:45:13.120 Like what what like no one has a job to lock in their house for four months.

00:45:18.420 We're going insane because our children are around us all the time.

00:45:21.460 What are you what are you talking about?

00:45:23.160 They locked down L.A.

00:45:24.300 They locked down Beverly Hills at 1 p.m.

00:45:26.280 two weeks ago for a week because there are riots in a major city.

00:45:29.820 And then I walked down a ramp.

00:45:31.280 And let me tell you, it was the most masculine walk you have ever seen.

00:45:33.840 It was an unbelievable masculine stomping of the ramp in very short, choppy steps.

00:45:38.880 It was not that I have an imbalance problem.

00:45:40.760 What what's going on?

00:45:43.620 As you know, I love the tweets.

00:45:46.460 And yet I do agree with this point.

00:45:48.860 I've I've kind of knocked him for some some of the decisions he's made in the past few weeks.

00:45:55.240 I thought the executive order on police reform was sending the wrong message at the wrong time.

00:46:00.260 I have hit him on a few of those things.

00:46:03.460 And I agree with you.

00:46:05.220 I have for you.

00:46:06.580 Thank you.

00:46:07.200 I and I have I have with agreed with Drew here.

00:46:10.640 I think he's getting bad advice.

00:46:12.020 And I think his gut instincts very likely are being stymied by Washington.

00:46:16.380 But I agree with you, Ben, in this broader point that we were talking about before, which is I don't think a lot of this matters.

00:46:22.960 And I agree with you, Jeremy.

00:46:24.160 I can't believe I'm agreeing with everybody.

00:46:25.300 I'm agreeing with you, Jeremy, on this point that the judges don't matter anymore either.

00:46:28.720 And that's the the judges not mattering because now we can't rely on the originalists.

00:46:32.500 We can't rely on the textualists.

00:46:34.200 We can't rely on on any of our judicial nominees.

00:46:36.360 What that means is this election is now about the economy.

00:46:40.180 We can't we can't even point to the judges anymore.

00:46:42.220 Right.

00:46:42.580 It's about the economy.

00:46:44.000 I don't care what Trump tweets.

00:46:45.600 I actually kind of got a kick out of the ramp tweet, but I don't really care about it either.

00:46:49.200 What he's got to do is reopen the country and he's got to get that economy moving again.

00:46:53.260 It looks as though we actually do have a chance at a V-shaped recovery, which we were hoping for a long time ago.

00:46:59.060 And maybe that could happen that that's his path to victory in November.

00:47:02.440 And all of these other sideshows, the Bolton book, the tweets, fine, whatever.

00:47:06.180 I don't care.

00:47:06.960 Just get the country moving again.

00:47:09.060 So not only do I completely agree that we have to get the country moving again, the left obviously agrees, too, which is why the only news story that you read anymore is covid.

00:47:16.040 I remember that for like three weeks, covid didn't exist anymore because if you were peacefully protesting and the definition of peacefully means

00:47:22.700 agreeing with the left.

00:47:24.480 So if you were agreeing with the left protesting, it was OK for you to like have 100000 people crammed into a one city block, you know, like a one football field sized city block.

00:47:34.260 The problem, though, is the president has, you know, for the last two years, what people who support the president often say to me is when I say, you know, he's got to pick up millions of new voters in order to win in 2020.

00:47:46.320 And I worry that, you know, he's going to see a lot of erosion with like suburban housewives and other groups that he needs to win.

00:47:52.160 And people will say, be honest, who do you think voted for the president last time who's not going to vote for him this time?

00:47:59.000 Suddenly, in the last two weeks, we've seen very high profile Trump supporters from 2016, people who sort of led the attack against so-called never Trump turning completely on the president.

00:48:09.980 And it's not difficult to understand why when you have, you know, tens of millions of people moving into unemployment, a complete erosion of most of our liberties, the burning, the rioting, the looting.

00:48:22.020 The kind of uncertainty that everyone's feeling, that's not good.

00:48:25.900 That's not good for a president.

00:48:27.000 And we're seeing the first erosion, I think, in his actual base, not just in like the fringes of who supports him, but diehard, diehard Trump, Trump supporters.

00:48:37.800 Does he have time to get them back?

00:48:39.720 Yes.

00:48:40.400 But only if he opens the country.

00:48:42.320 And not only that, the only way to stop the looting and the rioting that's happening nationwide is to give us back the pressure valves that allow us to operate as humans, social animals in a civilization.

00:48:53.600 You can't have it to where the only place where, listen, Gavin Newsom said today, the governor of California today said, it's now illegal anywhere in the state of California to be outside without a mask.

00:49:06.740 Right?

00:49:07.200 If the only place you can go in life to have social interaction is to a good looting, that's not going to redound very well for the civilization.

00:49:16.420 You've got to give us movies.

00:49:17.320 You've got to give us Major League Baseball.

00:49:18.980 It's summertime.

00:49:19.920 You've got to open up theme parks.

00:49:21.200 You've got to let people get back to life or all we're going to have is more of this disaster.

00:49:25.400 And the president will not win re-election.

00:49:29.520 I will say Mike Pence could win the election right now.

00:49:33.300 Generic R.

00:49:34.340 It's a layup.

00:49:35.360 They're burning the city's vote for the other guy.

00:49:37.520 But Trump sticks his finger in it so much, he can't take the win.

00:49:42.860 And so he uniquely can't win if he doesn't get the country moving again.

00:49:46.680 Ben?

00:49:46.780 Yeah, I mean, I will say that I think that one of the areas that he's kind of blowing here, I think the rally's a bad idea.

00:49:53.900 I think the rally's a bad idea because he had the layup.

00:49:56.580 The layup was the left didn't care about COVID until, like, the last five seconds, right?

00:50:00.780 They decided that it was the most woke virus in existence and that if you protested for the right reasons that no one would die of it.

00:50:06.060 And if you protested in favor of ending lockdown, then you were definitely going to die of it.

00:50:10.220 So it's an incredibly woke virus.

00:50:11.240 It really knows everything.

00:50:12.920 It's a wise, wise virus.

00:50:14.640 And President Trump could have had it all and, by the way, magnified the size of his crowds by saying, what we're going to do is we're going to do this outdoors.

00:50:21.780 We're going to do this with a certain amount of social distancing.

00:50:24.040 We're going to take away the baton to the left.

00:50:25.480 Like, by doing it indoors and then suggesting that people, the masks are optional, he's just handing a club to the left.

00:50:30.880 And whatever you think of the masks, the reality is that we are, in fact, seeing spikes in Arizona, in hospitalizations.

00:50:36.200 We're seeing spikes in Texas, in hospitalizations.

00:50:38.400 It's not swamping the health care system.

00:50:40.160 As the reopening happens, it's not swamping the health care system.

00:50:42.720 Arizona just shut down its casinos again.

00:50:44.560 If you actually would like to see the economy reopen and then stay open without sort of sporadic shutdowns again, I know we have significant disagreements on this.

00:50:52.240 But I think that the more people are, in fact, wearing masks, not unreasonably, not like out at the beach, but like in close contact with each other, in close quarters, that will be a better thing.

00:51:01.780 Like, I'm rooting for a better economic recovery, which is why, frankly, I would love to look more like Japan or Hong Kong, if it takes a few months of Japan or Hong Kong mask wearing, in order to get the V-shaped recovery, as opposed to this sort of zigzag, we have to shut down, we reopen, we shut down, we reopen.

00:51:15.100 Even in certain areas of American life, it's going to be very disquieting.

00:51:17.660 I mean, as far as public games, it ain't happening, right?

00:51:19.960 I mean, MLB is going to play to closed stadiums.

00:51:22.480 The NBA is going to play to closed stadiums.

00:51:24.680 Like, these giant events are just not, they're not coming back anytime soon.

00:51:28.800 And people are going to keep dying and cities are going to keep burning.

00:51:33.660 I think that's what you're going to get.

00:51:35.120 Well, no, I mean, if they have jobs, they won't.

00:51:36.520 If they have jobs, they won't. 0.96

00:51:37.440 I mean, if you're expected to go to work and wear a mask, then you don't have time to burn crap.

00:51:41.500 There's a whole bunch of, I mean, a lot of this is a bunch of bored 20-year-olds who can't get outside and party any other way. 0.58

00:51:46.380 It turns out that when Melrose is completely shut, right?

00:51:49.120 You saw the pictures of Melrose.

00:51:50.400 When Melrose, every window is shattered and it's burned out.

00:51:53.500 If there are people who are shopping in those stores, then that wouldn't have happened, right?

00:51:57.700 I mean, people need jobs.

00:51:59.500 People don't spend most of their time partying, contrary to popular opinion.

00:52:03.240 People spend most of their time working a job.

00:52:04.860 And going back to your office and working a job is really important right now.

00:52:08.860 And if that means wear a mask, then wear a mask. 0.98

00:52:10.620 You're such a nerd, Ben. 0.91

00:52:11.620 People love to party.

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00:54:57.700 So I know that everybody is anxious to hear from Matt Walsh.

00:55:00.360 It's his birthday.

00:55:01.100 We're going to wish him a happy birthday.

00:55:02.340 He's going to be with us in just a few minutes.

00:55:04.960 But I made it my priority that we're going to get to more questions than we ever have on a backstage broadcast before.

00:55:10.500 And I am going to live up to that commitment.

00:55:12.140 Alicia, what are you hearing over there?

00:55:14.340 All right.

00:55:14.800 And to ask those questions, by the way, if you're not already an awesome Daily Wire subscriber,

00:55:18.380 who we love and appreciate so much, and you guys are the very, very best,

00:55:21.940 head on over to DailyWire.com slash subscribe and use that code backstage for 15% off.

00:55:27.700 And then you can ask us questions right now during the backstage show, afterwards in our discussion,

00:55:32.320 or on that live stream that Ben just said that President Trump shouldn't be doing the rally from my home state of Oklahoma.

00:55:38.540 You can watch that rally with Michael Knowles and chat with him about it.

00:55:41.300 This first question is for the great Andrew Klavan.

00:55:44.820 This subscriber wants to know, when do you think that people are going to realize how hypocritical Hollywood is?

00:55:49.880 Example, they claim that they're so woke and want to destroy those in power, yet they are in power themselves.

00:55:57.700 Yeah, you know, I don't think people are fooled by Hollywood.

00:56:00.500 Nobody listens to what celebrities say.

00:56:02.700 I think the problem, people, especially on the right, don't understand the way the culture works.

00:56:08.160 It's kind of like a cloud.

00:56:09.680 It's kind of like the atmosphere that we breathe in and out. 1.00

00:56:12.260 It's not, you know, some clown getting up at the Oscars and telling us that we're idiots for voting for Trump. 1.00

00:56:17.320 We know they're fools. 1.00

00:56:18.600 We know they're, you know, berserk, crazy people and have nothing authoritative to say. 0.99

00:56:23.160 But after a while, when you pump this kind of propaganda into the atmosphere long enough, you just start to have the idea that there are certain things you can't say, certain things you can't think, certain ways in which you're not supposed to approach the world.

00:56:36.760 You know, just the other day, I was talking to a fairly important Hollywood mogul who said to me, well, I can't tell that story anymore.

00:56:44.680 I was trying to tell him about something I thought should be made.

00:56:46.980 And I said, why can't you tell it?

00:56:49.360 You know, what is to stop you?

00:56:50.760 There's no, you don't have to worry about distribution.

00:56:53.020 You have it.

00:56:53.360 You can put it on TV.

00:56:54.400 You can put it on your own place and people will see it.

00:56:56.860 People just close down mentally.

00:56:58.960 So it's not a question of realizing what Hollywood people are.

00:57:02.100 It's a question of getting people into Hollywood or getting people into the movie and creative business who don't have the same opinions as everybody else so that they can start to have visions and we can start to see art created by people like us who see the world as we do.

00:57:16.000 That's the important thing.

00:57:17.540 Yeah, essentially, Hollywood is comprised of that little monkey with the fez hat and the symbols who goes around and gets your coins, right? 0.96

00:57:23.740 Except that they have a hundred million dollar budget and they put out candles that smell like an orgasm. 0.96

00:57:28.020 That's that's essentially what Hollywood is.

00:57:31.000 I'm waiting for that to show up now.

00:57:32.580 Don't don't knock the Gwyneth Paltrow orgasm candle.

00:57:35.900 I'm still sitting by the mailbox waiting for mine to show up. 0.98

00:57:39.880 Oh, God, I think it was the Daily Wire's own Amanda Presley Giacomo who said that, you know, white women must be stopped. 1.00

00:57:45.200 And I would fully agree.

00:57:46.980 All righty, then, Michael, how are we supposed to continue to participate in society without succumbing to the dictates of all of the woke scolds?

00:57:56.280 You just have to say no.

00:57:58.700 And that requires a cost.

00:58:00.540 And that's where most people give up.

00:58:02.120 We all get this question when we speak at colleges and they'll say, hey, how do I get all A's on my transcript and still voice opinions that are absolutely illegal on my campus?

00:58:13.380 And how do I do both at the same time?

00:58:15.040 And and it's I guess they've really imbibed a lot of the Marxism that their professors have told them, even unconsciously, because they think that you can do something without a cost.

00:58:23.680 And you can't.

00:58:25.060 Everything has a cost.

00:58:26.080 There is truly no such thing as a free lunch.

00:58:28.680 You do get what you pay for.

00:58:30.340 And so you can make that choice.

00:58:32.680 You can say what you think.

00:58:33.880 And it's going to cost you friends.

00:58:35.120 It's cost all of us friends.

00:58:36.320 It's going to cost you invitations to parties and associations.

00:58:40.240 And that's the cost.

00:58:41.240 It's going to cost you in your career very possibly.

00:58:43.600 I think it's cost almost everybody in this room in their careers at some point or another.

00:58:47.660 And that's the cost.

00:58:48.820 But I will say the only thing for it that I can tell you is we should have integrity.

00:58:53.980 Integrity is a good thing.

00:58:55.260 It makes you feel really good.

00:58:56.700 It makes you walk through the world with a little skip in your step.

00:58:59.120 And it allows you to sleep at night with a grin on your face.

00:59:01.720 Your bank account won't be as full.

00:59:04.600 But okay, that's fine.

00:59:06.740 I'd much rather sleep soundly and have a good life than worry about that.

00:59:11.840 Well said.

00:59:12.700 You know, a good book you can read about this.

00:59:14.000 I will add one.

00:59:15.200 You can read the Gospels about this.

00:59:18.060 It tells you what happens to you when you speak the truth.

00:59:20.240 Yeah, that's right.

00:59:21.780 It's not pleasant.

00:59:22.720 Let's put it that way.

00:59:24.500 I will say one thing.

00:59:25.600 I think that the days of being punished for your opinion are going to end.

00:59:30.180 And they're going to end sooner rather than later.

00:59:31.720 And the reason for that is not because of the kindness of the left.

00:59:33.700 It's because we are going to segregate politically.

00:59:35.700 And it's a really bad thing for the country.

00:59:37.160 But it's just an inevitable reality.

00:59:39.040 Eventually, what's going to happen is that if you're an accountant at a firm and you fail to post the black square and are thus chided for it,

00:59:44.620 and you say, listen, you know, I believe that black lives matter because they do.

00:59:48.480 But I'm not going to virtue signal about how cops are bad.

00:59:50.900 That's just not something I'm into.

00:59:52.100 And then they fire you.

00:59:53.300 What will end up happening is that you will end up starting your own firm.

00:59:55.500 And conservatives will recognize that you stood on principle.

00:59:57.420 And conservatives will then patronize you.

00:59:58.720 And what will end up happening is that the only people who will end up patronizing leftist causes are leftists.

01:00:03.500 And the only people who end up patronizing right-wing causes are right-wingers.

01:00:06.200 And you will end up with two separate companies for each element of the market because that's what the left is doing.

01:00:10.440 They've taken the war to all elements of American society. 0.81

01:00:13.040 It's a really ugly outcome because this is not how conservatives think.

01:00:15.580 I have never once, buying a pair of shoes, thought to myself, I wonder what the political convictions of the person who runs this company are.

01:00:21.360 But leftists have made it an element of faith that you must actually think about that because the externalities of you buying that pair of shoes may be keeping the environment in shambles or something like that.

01:00:31.400 It's become a religion.

01:00:32.420 I mean, it's a religion for the left.

01:00:33.660 And once you have a religious schism, the religious schism cannot be unmade.

01:00:38.060 I mean, Ask Knowles has been trying to unmake the religious schism for several hundred years at this point.

01:00:42.680 No, this is such a good point, Ben.

01:00:45.360 This is what the left did in the 60s and 70s.

01:00:47.860 It became their motto, especially the feminists, but it spread out broadly to the left. 0.86

01:00:52.020 They said the personal is the political, meaning every area of personal association now has got to be politicized and become ideological.

01:01:00.540 And a republic such as ours cannot persist as it is meant to exist in that condition.

01:01:06.120 You're supposed to have a separation between the public, the political, and the private and the personal.

01:01:10.980 With that obliterated, our system of government and our system of society is not going to continue to function as it was intended.

01:01:18.960 For this reason, I feel that we should, as Matt Walsh said in a tweet this week, we should do away with the public apology, in particular for private citizens engaged in private activities.

01:01:29.640 When that woman in Central Park who had her dog walking off leash, you'll remember, and then the black fellow with the cell phone came up and offered her dog a treat and they got into an altercation.

01:01:40.100 And the woman said, I'm going to call the police. 0.97

01:01:41.720 He said, call them, please.

01:01:42.560 And she said, I'm going to tell them an African-American man is threatening me. 1.00

01:01:47.340 And implicit in that, obviously, is the belief that the police would take disproportionate force against him on the basis of his race.

01:01:54.260 So she was making a threat on the basis of his race.

01:01:56.960 That is a despicable thing that that woman did. 1.00

01:01:59.760 I should not know about it.

01:02:01.760 It was a private interaction between two private citizens.

01:02:04.620 She made a public apology.

01:02:06.340 She owes me no apology.

01:02:08.240 She does owe an apology to someone.

01:02:10.360 It is none of us.

01:02:11.520 She owes none of us anything.

01:02:12.660 And we shouldn't even know about it happening.

01:02:14.940 We live in an era where private citizens make public apologies.

01:02:19.080 Public people, politicians who have constituents, athletes who have fans or celebrities who have fans making public apologies.

01:02:31.040 In some instances, I can understand that if you live your life in a public way, there are certain responsibilities that come along with that.

01:02:36.600 But for private individuals to make public apologies for private actions, that is a religious act of sacrifice to the god of the mob.

01:02:44.820 And you absolutely should not take part in it.

01:02:48.020 You should never apologize for anything that you didn't actually do.

01:02:51.440 You should never apologize for things that people did in the past or things that worse men than you may have done in the present.

01:02:58.080 And you should never apologize for anything unless you feel genuine remorse for your action.

01:03:03.520 And you should never apologize to anyone other than to the people whom you actually hurt.

01:03:07.740 And by the way, when I say remorse for the action, I don't mean remorse for the consequences of the action to yourself.

01:03:14.220 I don't mean you apologize because you did something bad and lost your job and you're sorry you lost your job.

01:03:18.940 I mean you should only apologize when you're sorry that you did the bad thing regardless of whether or not you lost your job.

01:03:25.000 That's the only kind of apology that is an actual apology.

01:03:28.580 And it's the only kind of apology that you should ever make as an honest person.

01:03:32.220 Never be bullied into any other form of apology, especially the most virtue signaling false kind of all, which is where you just apologize to the god of the angry masses.

01:03:43.320 Don't do it.

01:03:46.500 I'd just add, I don't think the god of the angry masses will ever be, you know, satiated either.

01:03:52.080 Ben, this comes from a Daily Wire subscriber that says,

01:03:55.020 How can we take power away from the Supreme Court and give that power back to the citizens?

01:03:59.120 So the truth is that under Article 1, the legislature does have the ability to limit the jurisdiction of the courts in the Constitution.

01:04:10.120 So you do have the ability to limit the subject matter jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

01:04:14.200 And theoretically, the legislature could do that.

01:04:17.280 The reality is that the Supreme Court has never actually been an engine of social change.

01:04:21.180 The great lie is that when the Supreme Court makes a decision, that it pushes forward everything else.

01:04:26.380 Now, really, the Supreme Court tends to follow more than it leads.

01:04:29.580 I mean, Brown v. Board of Education happened in 1955.

01:04:32.580 It took until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for any of that to be effectuated.

01:04:35.680 So the idea that the court has any independent power is really not true.

01:04:39.700 I tend not to worry too much about court decisions simply because, again, if your state decided to resist the court decision,

01:04:46.380 unless the federal government is going to come in and actually cram it down, there's not much that is going to be done about it.

01:04:51.140 Also, people have a real tendency to adapt to changing circumstances.

01:04:55.040 But if you actually wanted to stop judicial supremacy, well, it would take a couple of things.

01:04:58.280 One, a president who just says to the Supreme Court what Jackson supposedly apocryphally said,

01:05:02.620 which is Justice Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.

01:05:05.700 You're going to say that I can't enforce DACA? 0.99

01:05:08.360 Well, screw you. 0.99

01:05:09.620 I'm going to do it. 0.99

01:05:10.700 And then if Congress wants to impeach me, well, then that's their prerogative.

01:05:13.120 Or if Congress wants to change the law, that's their prerogative.

01:05:15.700 But I'm just not going to pay attention.

01:05:17.220 And people are like, well, that's lawless.

01:05:18.280 Really, because FDR basically threatened to do it.

01:05:21.120 Barack Obama threatened to do it.

01:05:23.180 By the way, remember that time like three weeks ago when every Democratic,

01:05:27.180 every single Democratic candidate pledged to pack the Supreme Court

01:05:29.540 and or ignore the Supreme Court if they didn't like what they got from it? 0.77

01:05:33.100 So the idea that judicial supremacy exists is ridiculous.

01:05:36.440 There's nothing in the Constitution that says that the judiciary is the sole repository

01:05:39.920 of all constitutional interpretation and therefore has complete power

01:05:44.380 over all constitutional interpretation.

01:05:46.000 That is not correct.

01:05:46.740 It is an arbiter.

01:05:48.160 It is an arbiter that has to jockey for position with other branches of the federal government.

01:05:52.540 And in the end, if you really wanted to limit the power of the federal courts,

01:05:55.520 then the Congress does have the power to do that without a constitutional amendment.

01:05:59.380 I really think that the problem is that the legislature doesn't want to legislate.

01:06:06.300 I think that they don't want the power.

01:06:07.700 They've handed it off to bureaucracy and they've handed it off to the court

01:06:10.320 and they don't want it back.

01:06:11.540 It's a hot potato because you have to take responsibility for it.

01:06:14.180 And the way you get unelected is by passing laws that people don't like.

01:06:17.400 And they don't want to do that.

01:06:18.260 When was the last time?

01:06:19.360 I mean, maybe Obamacare, maybe.

01:06:21.040 But when was the last time they passed a consequential law that did anything?

01:06:24.940 And I think they passed laws that are 4,000 pages long, so you don't even know what's in them,

01:06:29.580 where you can't be free if you don't know what is in a law.

01:06:32.860 They mean it to happen this way.

01:06:34.860 And I think it's really on the legislature that they've let this go.

01:06:37.440 You know, Adrian Bermude, who we've talked about on the show before, the Harvard law professor,

01:06:41.940 who interestingly focuses on administrative law, he posted something about this the other day,

01:06:46.760 which is that the way our system of government really works is that power flows to the branch

01:06:51.900 of government that is able and willing to exercise that power.

01:06:56.560 And as you say, Drew, the legislature doesn't want to do it, so it's going to flow somewhere else.

01:07:02.080 Great.

01:07:02.820 Alicia, one more question.

01:07:04.520 All right.

01:07:04.780 This one is for Drew.

01:07:05.820 Who do you think is the greatest American character, either in novels, a TV show, or a movie?

01:07:11.420 Oh, it's got to be Huckleberry Finn.

01:07:13.500 He's certainly the quintessential American character.

01:07:16.780 He's also the character who expresses the kind of—how can I put it?

01:07:21.680 He expresses the—he sees America as it is.

01:07:25.100 He doesn't see it as people think it is.

01:07:27.360 He doesn't see it as this dream of floating down the Mississippi.

01:07:29.780 When you look at Huckleberry Finn, it is a satire of American life,

01:07:33.820 and it's a satire of the idea that you can become anything you want.

01:07:37.440 Everybody in it is a fake.

01:07:39.000 Everybody in it is pretending to be, you know, royalty from other countries.

01:07:43.200 And you can actually look at Huckleberry Finn and see a world in which people will one day

01:07:48.120 declare themselves women and expect to be treated as women because they've said they are. 0.90

01:07:52.360 I mean, it's actually part of the American dream.

01:07:55.000 And so he really captured in that novel—he captured in that novel something that's beautiful

01:07:59.760 about America, the idea that Huckleberry Finn has the courage and the independence and the

01:08:04.600 individuality to stand against slavery even when the entire culture says it's all right.

01:08:08.920 That's something beautiful in the American personality.

01:08:11.700 But he also captured a flaw in the logic of America that if you can be anybody you want,

01:08:17.100 you will turn into a con man ultimately.

01:08:19.280 That book, you know, Ernest Hemingway said that all American literature comes out of that book,

01:08:24.020 and I think he's right.

01:08:25.700 Isn't that because Mark Twain is the quintessential American himself?

01:08:30.080 Like, that guy just embodies what it meant to be an American man at that time.

01:08:36.260 By the way, you want to read that?

01:08:37.280 I will still make the case that the best Mark Twain novel is Connecticut Yankee.

01:08:41.760 That Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court is still— 0.93

01:08:43.880 Well, that wasn't the question.

01:08:44.980 No, I understand.

01:08:47.020 But now we've gone far abroad because I took us here.

01:08:49.440 So in these difficult times, listen, my house, I'm going to tell you, my house is

01:08:56.420 one and a half blocks off of the main thoroughfare of the San Fernando Valley here in Los Angeles.

01:09:02.740 The main street, Ventura Boulevard, had 1,500 protesters march down it on Saturday,

01:09:08.900 and I sat on my front stoop and watched them go by.

01:09:12.400 And I thought, man, I'm glad I have Ring.

01:09:15.480 This is a difficult time.

01:09:17.320 There's so much going on, so much cause for uncertainty.

01:09:20.320 And Ring gives you the ability to keep yourself feeling safe,

01:09:23.920 keep your eye on your safety and on the safety of your property at all times.

01:09:28.600 We're all home more than usual these days.

01:09:30.320 It's very hard to keep a close eye on things.

01:09:32.580 We have more deliveries coming in as we're having to have our self-service at home

01:09:36.260 without being able to go out and do retail shopping the way we once did.

01:09:39.020 A lot can happen outside our front doors,

01:09:40.600 and we're not always free to check on things in person.

01:09:43.540 With Ring, you can keep your home safe no matter where you are.

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01:10:09.460 We all use Ring.

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01:10:11.560 Ring is one of the original sponsors of our program.

01:10:14.620 So we've actually, we were early adopters.

01:10:16.300 I feel like we all got Ring early on before.

01:10:18.800 It's more ubiquitous now because so many people have realized the value that Ring provides.

01:10:23.880 They've really revolutionized the entire idea of home security by making it a digital,

01:10:29.300 both a hardware and a software product where you can keep track on your home

01:10:33.420 and on your property from anywhere at any time.

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01:10:37.400 Speak to delivery people right through the doorbell, right through the hardware when you can't come to the door.

01:10:42.960 They have outdoor security cameras from which you can check in on every part of your house and never miss a moment.

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01:10:56.160 I went over to Ben's home recently and Ben has these beautiful gates outside of his house and I shimmied in.

01:11:02.740 I know the secret code and I kind of shimmied in there and I got up to the front door and I knocked on the front door

01:11:07.520 and I thought he's going to be so surprised because I rarely come to his house.

01:11:10.600 He's going to be so surprised when he opens up the door and it's me.

01:11:13.460 And he opens the door and he's like, hey, Jared.

01:11:15.140 I'm like, dude, I'm at your house.

01:11:16.520 He's like, yeah, yeah, I mean, I could see you because of the Ring.

01:11:19.780 Like, eh, you ruined everything, Ring, except home security, which you've actually made infinitely better.

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01:11:35.560 By the way, I have small children and I have to keep an eye on them at, like, all times because if I don't,

01:11:39.720 then they're probably setting each other or themselves on fire.

01:11:42.140 And so having Ring on my property means that I can have an eye on them whenever I need to have an eye on them.

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01:11:57.620 I feel like with three kids, you actually need, like, the Ring drone, Ring aerial surveillance.

01:12:03.080 Jeremy, I've got to take issue.

01:12:04.420 You know, you mentioned earlier, Drew, the homeschooling issue,

01:12:08.920 and there are those polls saying that many parents are finding homeschooling more attractive after this.

01:12:12.860 And all I can think of, who are these people?

01:12:15.600 Who are these human beings?

01:12:17.320 Like, it finally occurred to me, like, let's be clear.

01:12:20.380 My kids are learning more not being in school and being home with my wife and with my parents and with me.

01:12:25.140 But school was constructed so that I miss my children.

01:12:28.560 So when I finally see them again, I'm like, oh, good to see you.

01:12:31.360 Because it turns out that when you see your children 24 hours out of every day,

01:12:34.660 and I mean 24 hours out of every day because those who have small kids know they don't sleep ever.

01:12:38.980 And so when you see them 24 hours out of every day, you're like, I need you to go away from, like, 9 to 3, 0.51

01:12:43.760 and then come back.

01:12:44.480 I don't care what you've learned, but you've been away, and then I can miss you, and you're cute.

01:12:47.560 But if I get too much of you, then it's like, I'm going to need you to just go in this closet here.

01:12:51.700 Not that I like my kids in an actual chokey, like, Roald Dahl, but, you know, if I did, 0.98

01:12:56.680 then I would need a break from the children.

01:12:58.800 And, yeah, all the people who are in favor of homeschooling, those are the real heroes.

01:13:01.760 Those are the heroes today.

01:13:02.580 Kids are very lovable 16 hours a day when they sleep for 10 of them.

01:13:05.360 Yeah, right.

01:13:06.640 Sorry, Drew, what was that?

01:13:08.300 I was referring to human beings when I was talking about that.

01:13:10.680 Well, that's the key.

01:13:11.980 This is my issue because protecting human beings is good.

01:13:14.480 But, Jeremy, I have to take issue and point out a fact check here.

01:13:17.540 The mainstream media have reliably informed me, while the peaceful rioters are looting all the shops,

01:13:22.800 that property, property doesn't matter, man.

01:13:25.180 That can be replaced, which is the new line that I'm going to start using when I mug people, 0.99

01:13:29.080 is I'm going to pull out the weapon.

01:13:30.160 I'm going to say, stick them up. 0.89

01:13:31.000 Give me your wallet.

01:13:31.820 Don't worry.

01:13:32.600 Pop property doesn't matter.

01:13:33.620 It can be replaced.

01:13:34.400 Thank you for all of your money.

01:13:35.760 So, you don't want to protect that.

01:13:36.660 I think it could really be great.

01:13:39.040 You could walk up to them and you could point a gun at them and say,

01:13:40.840 what are the important things in life?

01:13:44.880 I actually think this whole idea that property and life are distinct,

01:13:48.560 of course, at a high level, at a spiritual level, of course, that's true.

01:13:52.760 At a very practical level, though, what a rich entitled thing to say.

01:13:56.460 You have to live in a society that's so rich that you have excess stuff

01:14:01.320 and you can only imagine a world where everyone else also has excess stuff.

01:14:06.780 When in reality, most people have to trade part of what their life is,

01:14:10.880 which is their time, their health.

01:14:12.860 They trade their labor so that they can afford to have those things 1.00

01:14:16.220 that the media is so cavalier about criminals being able to take away from them.

01:14:20.760 I'm also not willing to hear this from Marxist materialists.

01:14:23.100 I'm not willing to hear this from Marxist materialists who suggest that

01:14:25.780 the definition of everything in your life is determined by your material circumstance.

01:14:29.080 So when I steal all of your money, it has no impact on you.

01:14:32.440 But if you don't give me all your money,

01:14:35.340 then you have somehow affected my life on such a deep level

01:14:37.440 that I deserve all of your money.

01:14:38.540 I'm not willing to hear it from these folks.

01:14:40.800 I find it kind of delightful in this morbid way

01:14:45.720 to have the people who are supposed to be running the country

01:14:48.160 telling us that running the country doesn't matter.

01:14:50.640 I love having a mayor in Seattle who says, you know,

01:14:54.960 this is wonderful.

01:14:56.140 People, you know, rioters have taken over part of our city.

01:14:58.580 And you think like, wait, aren't we paying you to run the city?

01:15:01.740 Don't we actually take money out of our pockets and give it to you

01:15:04.440 so you will run the city?

01:15:05.480 And she's just kind of abandoned that.

01:15:07.120 It's actually kind of amazing and hilarious if you don't mind watching your country.

01:15:11.120 You hate democracy.

01:15:11.580 I know.

01:15:12.120 I hate freedom.

01:15:13.860 So I know you guys have been waiting all night

01:15:15.880 to be able to wish Matt Walsh a happy birthday.

01:15:17.940 We have him here live joining us from distant,

01:15:21.520 wherever Matt Walsh lives,

01:15:22.960 by way of this amazing technology that we have,

01:15:25.200 which probably everybody else also has.

01:15:27.060 Matt Walsh's birthday is today.

01:15:28.880 Matt, thanks for coming by.

01:15:31.260 Hey, thanks for having me on, Jeremy.

01:15:32.740 Oh, man.

01:15:33.180 Are you kidding?

01:15:33.580 We've been looking forward to this all night.

01:15:35.480 I know many Daily Wire fans have been looking forward

01:15:37.360 to the opportunity to wish you a happy birthday.

01:15:40.260 So, man, just thanks for making time to be on the show.

01:15:42.540 And, you know, happy birthday.

01:15:44.380 Okay.

01:15:44.840 So, yeah, Michael, I mean, a lot of great birthdays today.

01:15:46.880 You know, Matt, Sopral McCartney, of course, from the top of the show,

01:15:49.640 17th century Russian theologian, Theophon Prokopevich.

01:15:54.120 You know, also Blake Shelton.

01:15:56.480 Oh, I mean, all really, really important guys.

01:15:59.200 And people don't listen to Prokopevich's early albums, by the way,

01:16:03.360 which I thought was much better than his later work.

01:16:05.800 But that's a great point you make.

01:16:06.600 It's a very special birthday episode of the show.

01:16:10.080 Yeah, it's the most important thing.

01:16:11.620 So, Ben, you brought up a little bit earlier in the night,

01:16:14.160 in passing, a story that I don't think most Americans

01:16:16.240 are yet paying attention to,

01:16:17.720 but actually could be the biggest story going on in the world right now.

01:16:21.400 And that's this conflict taking place between China and India.

01:16:24.600 I think something like 50 soldiers have been killed

01:16:27.780 in the last 48 hours in hand-to-hand combat,

01:16:31.120 which, as far as I can tell, really just means beatdowns.

01:16:33.700 The Chinese are using these spiked handheld weapons, 1.00

01:16:36.680 and they're kind of just beating down and killing.

01:16:38.760 These are two, not only the two most populous nations on Earth,

01:16:42.260 they probably would have fought many more wars throughout history,

01:16:44.460 except that there's this Tibet, which for most of history

01:16:48.000 has been very difficult to traverse between them, right, these mountains.

01:16:51.160 But here you have the two most populous nations on Earth

01:16:54.540 and two nuclear powers actually in a border conflict

01:16:58.420 in which their soldiers are killing each other.

01:17:00.520 What are we to make of this?

01:17:03.540 Well, all I can say is that I think the only solution here

01:17:06.140 is to send the leadership of Chaz there to really calm the situation.

01:17:10.000 We need a republic right on that border,

01:17:11.580 a free republic and an anarcho-communist republic

01:17:13.940 to really calm down that border.

01:17:15.420 By the way, if you think that there's going to be a nuclear war

01:17:16.940 between India and China,

01:17:18.100 first of all, I can't say at this point we don't all deserve it.

01:17:20.980 I feel like 2020 has to go somewhere,

01:17:23.440 and it's like the end of a Stephen King novel.

01:17:24.840 It's just a bunch of stuff that happens,

01:17:26.080 and then everything blows up at the end,

01:17:27.240 and you're like, well, that was out of nowhere.

01:17:28.640 I feel like that would be sort of the appropriate ending to 2020

01:17:31.400 and also the world.

01:17:32.680 But there's not going to be a nuclear exchange between India and China.

01:17:37.220 India has always been on the verge of war with Pakistan 0.88

01:17:39.200 for, you know, 60 years, 70 years since the origins.

01:17:43.080 And so the notion that these two states,

01:17:45.400 China doesn't actually want to be in an armed conflict with anybody.

01:17:48.140 China wants to economically annex all of its neighbors. 0.80

01:17:50.760 They don't actually want to have to use physical force.

01:17:52.620 They just want to put such severe economic pressure on its neighbors

01:17:55.400 that they start making, you know, nice trade deals with them

01:17:58.020 and so that they give China control of their security arrangements.

01:18:02.040 But China is not interested in a nuclear exchange

01:18:04.640 with the second most populous country on planet Earth

01:18:06.620 or the most populous country on planet Earth.

01:18:08.220 Not a thing.

01:18:08.860 Yeah, I think that's right.

01:18:09.960 And they do, as part of this economic expansion,

01:18:12.460 there is a territorial expansion,

01:18:13.860 which you see in Hong Kong.

01:18:15.760 You see this on the border with India.

01:18:17.240 You see this with our interests maybe in the South China Sea.

01:18:19.900 But, sure, they don't want armed conflict.

01:18:22.580 And I think this is the key that, obviously, the mainstream media,

01:18:25.320 but even many conservatives are missing here,

01:18:27.280 which is that while we are all arguing

01:18:29.400 over whether or not to cancel Aunt Jemima,

01:18:33.780 China is growing and moving in on some of our interests.

01:18:38.540 Our geopolitical adversaries are laughing

01:18:41.120 and they're taking advantage while America burns

01:18:44.180 and burns from its own internal frivolity.

01:18:47.760 But isn't there the chance?

01:18:48.840 Maybe it's true that there won't be direct nuclear conflict

01:18:52.300 between India and China.

01:18:53.560 I certainly think that's the most likely outcome,

01:18:55.660 although all escalations have the potential to be very deadly.

01:18:59.440 But isn't there the risk of a sort of Cold War-style,

01:19:02.320 proxy war situation starting to break out?

01:19:04.680 I mean, we've just gone through this amazing global economic turmoil.

01:19:08.440 China has all these ambitions, as Michael just outlined.

01:19:11.560 Do you guys worry at all about this sort of proxy conflicts

01:19:13.960 beginning to crop up between these sort of emerging global powers?

01:19:17.200 You know, I just want to say one thing,

01:19:20.260 that as an eternal optimist,

01:19:21.660 I've worked it out where there is a scenario

01:19:23.680 where everything in 2020 breaks just right

01:19:26.260 so that everyone I dislike will die.

01:19:28.660 I think that that's at least one possible... 0.91

01:19:31.340 What a hopeful vision.

01:19:33.260 Yeah, I know.

01:19:34.160 It's amazing.

01:19:34.800 But I do think one of the things that has been hidden by all this

01:19:40.400 is we actually have entered a Cold War with China

01:19:43.000 and we're going to be in it for another 10 to 20 years, if not more.

01:19:46.020 I think that is actually the news story.

01:19:48.700 It's entirely possible that when you go back 100 years from now

01:19:51.780 and you look at the textbooks, the history textbooks,

01:19:54.440 they won't be about any of the things we're experiencing here

01:19:56.620 that are all nonsense.

01:19:57.740 They'll actually be about the fact that we've started a Cold War with China

01:20:01.460 and we're going to have to have a Cold War with China 0.88

01:20:03.080 because otherwise we'd have a hot war and that would be a disaster.

01:20:05.900 But it's going to define, I think, you know,

01:20:08.420 it's going to define the rest of my life

01:20:09.860 and it's going to define a large period of the next 50 years.

01:20:14.140 And the next two and a half weeks, really, is what we're talking about.

01:20:16.800 And then we'll move on.

01:20:17.420 Save the claimants.

01:20:18.240 Whichever comes first.

01:20:19.240 This is actually very important, though, for 2020.

01:20:21.700 And it's an issue that if the Trump campaign is serious about winning,

01:20:26.000 they'll hammer on and on,

01:20:27.200 which is that China's growth, China's ascendancy,

01:20:30.300 has been applauded actually by people in both parties,

01:20:33.500 but in particular by Joe Biden.

01:20:35.460 Joe Biden gave a speech where he said a rising China is good for everybody.

01:20:39.520 We allowed China into the World Trade Organization.

01:20:41.500 They immediately broke all the rules and they took great advantage,

01:20:44.040 but it really helped them out.

01:20:45.300 And there was this consensus that China will liberalize

01:20:47.940 and democratize as they grow economically.

01:20:49.940 That didn't happen.

01:20:51.100 That was not true.

01:20:52.300 And I think the people who cheered it on ought to be held to account.

01:20:55.680 First and foremost in this election, Joe Biden.

01:20:57.940 Maybe it's good for America to have a Cold War. 0.92

01:21:00.960 The last Cold War kept the left from having its ultimate victory, right?

01:21:04.620 Because they couldn't go to the ultimate extreme without actually being the enemy.

01:21:08.660 Like you're able to define why communism is bad,

01:21:10.960 why the ultimate excesses of leftism are not to be desired.

01:21:15.240 I mean, it could be that we find that, you know,

01:21:18.080 America needs an enemy and it needs its enemy to be leftists.

01:21:21.880 That's my optimism.

01:21:23.520 I mean, I think there's a lot of truth to that.

01:21:25.320 I think there's a possibility of truth.

01:21:26.040 I mean, I do think there's a lot of truth to that,

01:21:28.900 that America does need an external threat in order to have any sort of internal unity.

01:21:32.280 That is certainly a real possibility.

01:21:34.560 I will say that because of the policies taken toward China

01:21:37.900 over the last 40 years in the United States,

01:21:40.380 it's going to be a lot more difficult in a lot of ways.

01:21:42.700 I mean, China is significantly more economically powerful than Russia ever was.

01:21:45.640 Russia was always a second-rate state.

01:21:47.000 Masquerading as a first-rate state.

01:21:49.100 We cut them off economically very early.

01:21:51.700 They're really underdeveloped.

01:21:53.180 China is far more developed.

01:21:54.160 China is far cleverer, and they're far less ideological.

01:21:57.600 They're just a totalitarian state.

01:21:59.220 I mean, like, I don't think they're interested in America being communist

01:22:02.340 so much as they're interested in maximizing their own power.

01:22:04.760 And I think that's true in Africa, too.

01:22:06.520 I don't think they're interested in we need a Chinese proxy,

01:22:08.500 we need a communist proxy state in South America as much as we need more states

01:22:12.140 in our sphere of influence.

01:22:13.260 So if they had their druthers, I'm not sure that it would look like a USSR situation.

01:22:17.580 It would look more like a situation where they're funding a bunch of states

01:22:21.400 that just don't like the United States, which is why you see them reaching out

01:22:23.820 to various kind of anti-American regimes without really demanding anything of them

01:22:28.040 in terms of their own economic program.

01:22:31.280 The fact that we gave them so much money over the past few decades 1.00

01:22:34.720 and thought that we were going to strengthen them is idiotic. 0.99

01:22:37.020 This is the one area, by the way, where Bolton's book actually does hurt Trump. 0.99

01:22:39.560 Because the one thing that Bolton does make very clear in the book

01:22:41.800 is that Trump was a lot softer on China than he has appeared to be publicly.

01:22:45.540 China, that he was kind of tough on trade, but kind of not tough on trade.

01:22:49.320 That he was speaking harsh things about Xi Jinping, but at the same time,

01:22:53.460 he was going behind closed doors and saying that he's fine with concentration camps

01:22:56.640 and you really want to make a deal and can you help me get reelected

01:22:59.360 and all of this kind of stuff.

01:23:00.400 The problem is that that gives Biden a go-to comeback in a debate.

01:23:03.960 Trump says something like, you're really weak on China.

01:23:07.060 You went along with this whole trade regime.

01:23:09.140 And Biden comes back and says, I'm weak on China.

01:23:11.180 You're the guy who said that they should go ahead and build concentration camps

01:23:13.240 according to your own national security advisor, right?

01:23:15.080 That's the one area where this could hurt Trump.

01:23:16.580 It's a little bit of a challenge that Trump is always hardest on his friends.

01:23:20.860 You know, he actually winds up being a lot tougher on friends than he does on enemies.

01:23:27.260 The idea that Joe Biden could remember anything that's in this John Bolton's book is laughable, I think.

01:23:34.020 You know, before I came on, I read that 55% of people think he has dementia.

01:23:38.440 Which I just think, you know, I shouldn't laugh, but it's just the idea that people might actually vote for him over Donald Trump.

01:23:46.360 So, Drew, what you read is that 45% of Americans are completely oblivious.

01:23:50.040 Is that the idea?

01:23:51.240 That's exactly right.

01:23:52.320 That's exactly right.

01:23:53.820 Elisha, I want to do one more round of questions.

01:23:56.100 But before we do, wasn't it great to have Matt Walsh on the show for his birthday?

01:23:59.060 It was nice to hear from him.

01:24:00.000 It was amazing.

01:24:00.400 It was worth the wait.

01:24:01.760 It was worth the wait.

01:24:02.760 Elisha.

01:24:03.200 All right.

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01:24:24.720 I know I'm being stereotypical.

01:24:26.420 I don't know.

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01:25:09.000 So this question is for Ben.

01:25:11.160 A Daily Wire subscriber wants to know, do you think it's possible for the left to de-radicalize?

01:25:15.620 And if so, do you see any specific leader on the left that could see them walk away from all of their extreme ideals?

01:25:21.800 I think it's very difficult for them to de-radicalize because they have so normed themselves into intersectional ideology.

01:25:28.600 Intersectionality is the key motivating factor inside the Democratic Party.

01:25:31.440 Right now, there's a bit of a battle that went on for just a brief moment in time between sort of the socialist wing of the Democratic Party, which said that the cure to all of this is Marxist economics.

01:25:40.000 And then the intersectional wing that said, no, no, no, you're ignoring the real motivating factor in human life, which is race.

01:25:44.560 And it seems like the race side won and kind of unified with the socialist economic side.

01:25:49.200 They said it's going to be both. It's going to be both.

01:25:50.860 We're going to have a more socialist, unifying, top-down government control of the economy.

01:25:55.820 And also, we are going to divvy ourselves up among various racial groups.

01:25:59.440 And we can only assume that equality has been achieved when we achieve true economic socialism as well as true social equality, meaning equal results at the end of the day.

01:26:08.260 But it's going to be very difficult to see the left respond to this until, look, people only respond to losing.

01:26:14.260 That's the reality. People don't respond to winning.

01:26:16.080 So the left responded to losing in 2016 by basically doubling down and treating Trump as an aberration.

01:26:22.700 And it was up to Trump to prove that he wasn't an aberration.

01:26:25.040 And so the question in 2020 is, was he or wasn't he?

01:26:28.260 And if he was an aberration, they're going to keep doubling down on this.

01:26:30.700 Right. Joe Biden basically has signified that he is just a placeholder, that the person who comes next is going to be deep into radical philosophy.

01:26:39.240 You can assume that his VP pick will not be somebody like an Amy Klobuchar.

01:26:42.440 It will be somebody at the very least like an Elizabeth Warren and maybe like Kamala Harris. 1.00

01:26:45.960 It'll be somebody radical. The Democratic Party will move down that path until they are checked.

01:26:49.640 I mean, it is that simple. And if Republicans do not win, they will continue to move down that path.

01:26:53.940 And this has been true in major cities around the United States.

01:26:56.040 Major cities around the United States have been governed by Democrats.

01:26:57.980 The only time Republicans ever win is when things get so bad that there is literally no alternative but to elect a person from the party you've never heard of.

01:27:04.580 And it's how Rudy Giuliani becomes mayor of New York.

01:27:06.420 So we're we're in for a dark period here. I mean, I'm not going to I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

01:27:10.240 If Trump loses, it's this weird irony where I said in 2016 that if if Hillary won and Mitch McConnell was head of the Senate, that that would be bad.

01:27:18.560 Right. It would be worse in many ways than Trump being president.

01:27:20.580 But it wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world because it'd be Hillary doing some stuff and Mitch McConnell checking her. 1.00

01:27:24.040 And now it would be Joe Biden as president probably taking along with him the Senate because the Senate is really in trouble right here.

01:27:31.000 Joni Ernst is trailing in Iowa, which is a terrible indicator.

01:27:33.920 If the if the if there's a Democratic Senate and a Democratic president and a Democratic House, then ironically enough, Trump's unpopularity, which is generating a lot of momentum for that,

01:27:43.600 makes it much more imperative that Republicans actually vote for Trump to stop what's coming next, because otherwise we are in for a very, very dark period in American history.

01:27:50.540 That's a very good point, Ben. This this moment of sort of the the old school socialists basically getting wiped out for intersectionality.

01:27:57.960 But I do see a challenge to intersectionality, ironically coming from Black Lives Matter. 1.00

01:28:03.940 Intersectionality is this idea that every oppressed group in history bands together, even if they disagree with one another.

01:28:09.500 So Linda Sarsour, an Islamist and Gloria Steinem, a feminist, are holding hands at the Women's March, even though they don't seem to have much in common, yet they go together.

01:28:17.200 Transgenderism and homosexual activists who don't have a lot in common, but they still hold hands.

01:28:21.700 That's the intersectional idea. But that is being challenged by Black Lives Matter, which is explicitly excluding groups from it.

01:28:28.240 Right. They're saying it's not about all lives matter. It's not about Hispanic lives matter.

01:28:31.360 It's explicitly about Black Lives Matter. Except that if you go to the Black Lives Matter website and go to their about page, they actually have all this intersectional language about trans rights, about gay rights.

01:28:44.220 They're still trying to cloak themselves as part of part of the broader intersectional movement.

01:28:48.080 I think what eventually takes down the intersectional movement is its inherent contradictions.

01:28:52.880 The fact that the arguments in favor of trans ideology actually cut against the arguments in favor of the traditional homosexual biological determinism, right? 0.71

01:29:06.240 Or the fact that feminism and trans rights come into such conflict with each other. 0.99

01:29:10.020 Or about the fact that groups like Asians in America, for some reason, don't merit inclusion in the intersectional hierarchy.

01:29:18.180 And they're discriminated against.

01:29:19.260 And they're discriminated against. I think those inherent contradictions are ultimately going to be what tears them apart.

01:29:24.140 It's also a recipe for internecine war. I mean, it's just you can't follow the logic of intersectionality without everybody being at each other's throats.

01:29:32.380 That's why it's sometimes entertaining to watch them devour one another, which is ultimately all they'll be able to do.

01:29:39.100 Elisha.

01:29:40.640 I guess all we need is love, right? Get it? Get it?

01:29:44.120 Hey.

01:29:44.460 Okay.

01:29:45.060 We could.

01:29:45.360 Next episode.

01:29:45.760 Where are the guitars, guys?

01:29:46.600 Next episode.

01:29:47.700 Can we get the guitars back?

01:29:49.540 All right. This question is for Drew. This comes from a Daily Wire subscriber that lives in Minneapolis area.

01:29:55.440 And, of course, the park board just voted there not only to move towards defunding the police, but they also voted to let the homeless sleep in their parks.

01:30:03.900 Something that our state of California has been doing for a while, by the way.

01:30:06.440 And so they want to know, what is the purpose of the leftists and goal here?

01:30:10.760 Like, how is this helping homeless people?

01:30:13.900 Oh, they're not helping anybody.

01:30:16.380 They're just actually consolidating their power.

01:30:19.280 They're consolidating their power.

01:30:20.400 Chaos is always, always leads to more power at the top.

01:30:24.260 And they basically have lost faith in the actual system of governance that they're supposedly running.

01:30:30.640 So it actually is a moment when their idea that emptying out the system that they are on top of is the thing to do.

01:30:40.920 If you destroy the police, as I think it was Ben said earlier, if you destroy the police, basically only bad people will have guns.

01:30:48.340 You disarm the populace.

01:30:49.400 You get rid of the police.

01:30:50.420 There's only bad people with guns.

01:30:51.800 And underneath that, underlying that, is an idea that something, that this country is something terrible, that order and civilization is something terrible.

01:31:00.020 And some of them actually say that.

01:31:01.700 And, you know, one of the funny things about this is always, always throughout history, the elites think that somehow they're going to be left alone.

01:31:09.840 They think that they're going to be able to maintain their elite control while the lower orders kind of devour one another.

01:31:16.480 And it always ends up, it's always the elites who wind up on the guillotine.

01:31:19.920 So it's really a kind of crazy, crazy idea.

01:31:23.440 And the idea that they have some sort of, I mean, you talk about Donald Trump not having a strategy.

01:31:27.120 The idea that the left has a strategy that goes beyond the next victory is also insane.

01:31:32.340 We've seen this happen before in the 70s.

01:31:34.480 I lived in New York in the 70s.

01:31:36.140 It's madness.

01:31:36.840 The difference here is it's happening so fast that I'm wondering if the short, sharp shock will wake people up more quickly than they woke up in the 70s.

01:31:45.080 He means the 1870s people.

01:31:47.740 The biggest problem happening in New York at that time was actually horse dung.

01:31:51.180 And it was a major issue.

01:31:52.200 What do you do with all this horse dung?

01:31:53.840 We live on an island.

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