The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage：＂The Squad＂ Edition

00:00:00.080 Hey everybody, this is Michael. You're about to listen to our latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage,

00:00:05.440 where I join Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, and the man who will one day fire me for real,

00:00:10.260 Daily Wire God King Jeremy Boring, for a great conversation on politics and culture,

00:00:15.000 and where we answer questions from Daily Wire subscribers. Without further ado, here is Backstage.

00:00:20.520 Fake laugh in three, two, one.

00:00:23.120 Some of our best work. Welcome to Backstage, The Squad Edition.

00:00:45.640 Howdy folks, I'm Jeremy Boring, known around here as the God King, lowercase g, lowercase k,

00:00:49.560 and joining me this fine evening, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, and Michael Knowles.

00:00:54.080 This, my friends, is my squad. There are many like it. This one is mine.

00:00:59.440 My squad is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life.

00:01:04.540 Without me, my squad is useless. Without my squad, I am useless. 0.58

00:01:09.160 I must fire my squad true. Knowles, you're fired. 0.90

00:01:12.520 No. Now if you're still with us, I implore you to get your keyboards and submit your burning questions to us

00:01:19.060 in anticipation of our dazzling answers.

00:01:20.840 Also, submit your resumes, because we'll need to replace Nulls. 1.00

00:01:24.940 Let's do this thing. Yowza! 1.00

00:01:26.920 That's already yowza.

00:01:29.560 So we've got a bunch of things to talk about.

00:01:33.000 Apollo, we're at the 50th anniversary of mankind stepping foot on the moon.

00:01:36.660 Mankind.

00:01:37.380 Mankind.

00:01:37.700 Not womankind. 0.99

00:01:38.380 Not womankind. 0.99

00:01:39.280 And only white mankind. 0.92

00:01:40.200 We must face that.

00:01:40.960 White mankind. 0.96

00:01:41.220 We must face that. 0.67

00:01:41.880 I'm actually, I'm really glad it's a hoax, because otherwise it would have been so racist and sexist.

00:01:46.520 We've got to go up there. We've got to take down the flag, man.

00:01:48.200 I mean, we've got to give the moon back to the Chinese. 1.00

00:01:50.360 That's the only way to make this happen.

00:01:52.600 We're going to talk about the president's tweets and the response from the Democrats in Congress.

00:01:56.600 And of course, we're going to talk about the squad.

00:02:00.040 So fresh, so faced, man.

00:02:01.120 So fresh, so faced.

00:02:02.840 So squad.

00:02:03.700 So squad.

00:02:04.560 I made a little something to commemorate the squad.

00:02:10.700 And I can't take full credit for that.

00:02:12.000 I mean, I will take most of the credit for this.

00:02:13.780 There's artists, I'm not crediting them.

00:02:16.660 For the sake of their careers.

00:02:17.640 Animators, I'm not crediting them.

00:02:18.980 But I am going to credit our friend, Adam Baldwin, who is one of the great Twitter follows.

00:02:23.660 Yep.

00:02:23.840 Who observed on Twitter only yesterday that this squad, the JV squad, the fresh face squad,

00:02:32.500 the dim squad, calls to mind another famous squad, which would be well known to those of

00:02:38.540 us who are in the oft-overlooked generation.

00:02:41.920 We're not boomers.

00:02:43.080 Yeah.

00:02:43.360 We're not millennials.

00:02:44.420 We're Gen Xers.

00:02:46.000 And Gen Xers had a little something something in the early 2000s called Teen Girl Squad.

00:02:53.400 And I'm going to play for you the original Teen Girl Squad video now.

00:02:57.000 And then we'll see what we were able to do with it here.

00:02:59.360 So guys, could we play Teen Girl Squad for the folks at home?

00:03:03.420 Teen Girl Squad!

00:03:05.480 What's going on there? 0.99

00:03:06.060 Cheerleader, so-and-so, watch your face, the ugly one. 1.00

00:03:13.780 Hey, guys, let's go get ready to look so good. 0.94

00:03:17.940 Burnt, burnt, burnt.

00:03:22.760 Okay, now let's start looking good.

00:03:26.120 Aight, aight, aight.

00:03:27.940 Boip.

00:03:30.400 Tristing, you look burnt or dead.

00:03:33.500 I'm Miss Christine now.

00:03:39.660 I have a crush on every boy.

00:03:43.080 Arrowed.

00:03:44.080 Ow, my skin. 0.91

00:03:46.520 Punt.

00:03:47.780 Dag, yo.

00:03:50.360 I look so good.

00:03:51.660 It's over.

00:03:56.380 That was strong, but they were great.

00:03:58.100 That was strong, but my friends, Homestar Runner, one of the great, from before there was YouTube, there was Homestar Runner.

00:04:04.140 Absolutely.

00:04:04.620 And I wasted many, many hours of my life.

00:04:07.320 You know, those guys, I read an article about them back in those days.

00:04:10.840 They were running a merch business primarily.

00:04:12.640 They made these great flash animations, which we all loved at the same time.

00:04:17.260 And then they sold merch out of their garage.

00:04:20.000 And I can't remember the number.

00:04:21.220 Obviously, this has been almost 20 years ago.

00:04:23.400 But they were doing like six figures a month selling merch out of their.

00:04:26.180 I was legitimately inspired by them early in my Hollywood career.

00:04:29.540 I thought these are entrepreneurial, enterprising guys.

00:04:32.240 They figured out a new way to communicate what they want to communicate to the world.

00:04:36.680 They bypassed all of the gatekeepers.

00:04:40.040 And they were hilarious.

00:04:41.740 And my son was eight, and he used to sit and watch them.

00:04:44.680 And his old father used to stand in the back of them just in stitches.

00:04:48.820 Strong Bad's emails.

00:04:49.780 Strong Bad's emails.

00:04:50.180 Oh, that is the email.

00:04:52.180 Email.

00:04:53.260 I can remember this.

00:04:54.160 So Adam Baldwin makes the point that there was a girl squad, team girl squad, for women.

00:05:03.120 And now there is a four-woman squad in Congress known as Dim Girl Squad. 1.00

00:05:07.480 And I thought we should take his joke as far as we could.

00:05:10.040 And so I present to you now the world premiere of Dim Girl Squad.

00:05:15.220 Dim Girl Squad.

00:05:17.920 Cheerleader.

00:05:19.460 So-and-so.

00:05:21.120 What's-her-face. 0.83

00:05:22.160 The other one.

00:05:24.340 Hey, gals. 1.00

00:05:26.280 Let's get ready to fresh-so-face.

00:05:29.560 Word.

00:05:30.360 Word.

00:05:31.200 Word.

00:05:31.740 Okay, let's start freshen' face. 0.99

00:05:39.740 I hate, I hate Trump. 1.00

00:05:43.740 Kill hand, you look fascist-ed. 1.00

00:05:49.740 I miss Ileana. 1.00

00:05:53.740 I hate every Jew. 1.00

00:05:55.740 Call the treasure tab! 1.00

00:05:57.740 Ow, my gender! 0.90

00:05:59.740 Tweet it.

00:06:01.740 Dad, yo!

00:06:05.740 I'm a Green New Deal!

00:06:09.740 Impeached!

00:06:13.740 I'm saying that the video was impeached.

00:06:15.740 I'm saying the video was impeached.

00:06:17.740 No wonder you were verified.

00:06:19.740 What, you talking about this little thing?

00:06:23.740 I haven't even noticed.

00:06:25.740 Now I can actually be demonetized.

00:06:27.740 I feel the necessity to break down behind the scenes for just a moment how this all went down after Jeremy came up with his brilliant idea.

00:06:35.740 Okay, so the way this went down is that Jeremy talked about this video, and we thought to ourselves, Media Matters will watch this show.

00:06:41.740 And because Media Matters will watch this show, this means that we have to take precautions.

00:06:45.740 So for example, we will play the original cartoon so that people know that this is a parody of the original cartoon.

00:06:51.740 A shot-for-shot parody of the original cartoon.

00:06:53.740 So there can be no mistake.

00:06:55.740 Jeremy Boring, the God King, does not actually believe that Ilhan Omar was, quote-unquote, concentration camped in her gender by the President of the United States, a robot.

00:07:05.740 Although he might.

00:07:07.740 Okay, so that was number one.

00:07:09.740 Then, Jeremy, we changed, as you'll notice, a lot of things from the original video.

00:07:15.740 Because the original video has-

00:07:17.740 No one dies.

00:07:18.740 Oh, right.

00:07:19.740 No one dies in this one.

00:07:20.740 Because we didn't want Media Matters to get the idea that anyone is interested in threatening the lives of any of these people.

00:07:24.740 We wish no violence on the Dem Girl Squad.

00:07:26.740 We wish no violence on the Dem Girl Squad.

00:07:27.740 No one's trying to incite violence.

00:07:28.740 In fact, I would gladly condemn anyone who attempted to do violence to the Dem Girl Squad.

00:07:33.740 As opposed to the Dem Girl Squad, which apparently will go silent about terrorist attacks on ice facilities.

00:07:37.740 And then, also, you'll notice that the Dem Girl Squad in this iteration is different than the original Strong Bad Squad.

00:07:46.740 Because the Strong Bad Squad has-

00:07:48.740 We have Cheerleader, check. 1.00

00:07:49.740 Right.

00:07:50.740 Yeah, okay.

00:07:51.740 We have So-and-so.

00:07:52.740 So-and-so, check.

00:07:53.740 So-and-so's there.

00:07:54.740 What's-her-face, check. 0.87

00:07:55.740 The Ugly One.

00:07:56.740 There is no Ugly One in this version.

00:07:58.740 There's the other one.

00:07:59.740 Because we didn't want anyone to assume that we were actually saying that Rashida Talib is ugly.

00:08:03.740 We wouldn't want anyone to assume that.

00:08:04.740 No, she's not ugly. 1.00

00:08:06.740 And even if she were, which she's not, then we wouldn't say that because it's mean and cruel.

00:08:11.740 And because we don't want to get boycotted by media matters.

00:08:13.740 Yep.

00:08:14.740 So all of these deliberate changes were made- 0.98

00:08:16.740 To tell a freaking joke. 0.97

00:08:17.740 To tell a joke. 1.00

00:08:18.740 Because this is the idiotic world we live in. 1.00

00:08:20.740 Or if you tell a Strong Bad joke, then you will get boycotted by media matters. 1.00

00:08:24.740 Whereas if, let's say, you're a rabid anti-Semite like Ilhan Omar, then you are a victim of our patriarchal evil society.

00:08:32.740 So I felt like it was necessary to give that backstory right there.

00:08:34.740 I appreciate that.

00:08:35.740 Also, Jews is spelled J-E-W-S, not J-O-O-S.

00:08:38.740 That's true.

00:08:39.740 As it is properly spelled.

00:08:40.740 That is correct.

00:08:41.740 That is, by the way, the best line in there. 0.99

00:08:42.740 I hate every Jews. 1.00

00:08:43.740 I hate every Jews. 1.00

00:08:44.740 That part is fact check true. 0.97

00:08:46.740 I'm sorry.

00:08:47.740 But even though we've explained the joke, I bet that Ilhan Omar, when she watches that, she won't even giggle.

00:08:52.740 Now, if maybe we had talked about Al-Qaeda or Hezbollah, then she would giggle.

00:08:57.740 But she's not gonna giggle at our video.

00:08:59.740 She doesn't find it funny.

00:09:00.740 That's right.

00:09:01.740 Okay, well, we're all children.

00:09:03.740 But if you were an adult, you might think about, you know, adult things like the fact that one day you're gonna die.

00:09:08.740 Now, one thing we did today is we put out the pictures of what we'd all look like on the face app.

00:09:12.740 And some of us are closer to death than others.

00:09:14.740 And what that means is that Jeremy looked pretty old, I look pretty old, and those look decrepit because he's younger than all of us right now.

00:09:20.740 But he smokes like a chimney.

00:09:22.740 And Drew looks exactly the same.

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00:10:17.740 Because I'm not like you guys, I don't have a daily show and I don't do ad reads on a regular basis.

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00:10:32.740 And it's a reminder that we live in the greatest time in all of humans.

00:10:35.740 By the way, I just took out a bunch of life insurance and I then sent a picture of myself in 50 years from the Face app to my wife.

00:10:42.740 And I said to her, if this does not appeal to you, then I've just made a horrible, horrible mistake.

00:10:49.740 By the way, I also will note, since you don't have a daily show, that's what a professional transition into an ad sounds like.

00:10:55.740 I wasn't going to say anything, but I really feel like you ruined the show.

00:11:00.740 Okay, so what should we talk about?

00:11:01.740 Well, I think that we should talk about Apollo to begin with because this week our friend Bill Whittle launched a new podcast about Apollo 11 called Apollo 11, What We Saw,

00:11:12.740 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of, people sometimes call it mankind's greatest achievement.

00:11:17.740 I don't think it's mankind's greatest achievement, but it is mankind's greatest adventure, mankind's greatest sort of achievement of the will.

00:11:25.740 And it happened 50 years ago, the Saturn V took off 50 years ago yesterday, and the landing itself will have taken place this weekend.

00:11:33.740 And one of the amazing things as you watch Bill recount this, you can pick this up anywhere where you can find a podcast, right?

00:11:38.740 It's on iTunes, it's on...

00:11:40.740 It's terrific. It's really first rate.

00:11:41.740 I mean, it looks beautiful, the set is great, Bill does a great job with it.

00:11:44.740 Yeah.

00:11:45.740 And the story is so riveting because you think you know the story, especially for those of us who weren't already old when it happened in 69.

00:11:54.740 The amount of detail and the amount of care that Bill takes in telling the story, the personal side of the story and the technological, I think is really fascinating.

00:12:02.740 And it brings up this question, I don't recall if we've ever talked about this question on the show.

00:12:08.740 Why do people subscribe, especially on the right?

00:12:12.740 There's actually a tendency toward this kind of thinking on the right to conspiracy theories.

00:12:17.740 You know, there are more people today who believe that mankind never stepped foot on the moon than there were a year ago, more than the year before that.

00:12:25.740 Every year since 1969, the number of people who doubt the event has increased.

00:12:30.740 I have a couple of theories about it.

00:12:32.740 I figured the three of you would have some theories about it as well.

00:12:35.740 I think it's an interesting conversation because of, you know, exactly the moment that we're commemorating right now.

00:12:40.740 But I think it's an important conversation as well because a lot of our audience, obviously young, male, conservative leaning right of center, they're on the internet.

00:12:50.740 And it is very easy to find yourself tripping down a trail.

00:12:54.740 These guys will make very compelling cases for why things like the moon landing couldn't have and therefore did not happen.

00:13:00.740 Right.

00:13:01.740 There's this phenomenon.

00:13:02.740 Why the moon doesn't exist, actually.

00:13:03.740 Why the moon doesn't exist.

00:13:04.740 That's the new one.

00:13:05.740 It's only a paper moon.

00:13:06.740 Yeah.

00:13:07.740 But there's this phenomenon that I call the preponderance of false evidence.

00:13:13.740 And when you talk to people who buy into one of these conspiracy theories, they'll say, you know, why are there two shadows on the moon when there's only one light source, the sun?

00:13:22.740 And you say, well, there's two light sources, the moon.

00:13:24.740 And they'll say, aha, but the moon doesn't generate light.

00:13:26.740 Well, no, but the moon reflects so much light that you can read a book at night 200,000 miles away on Earth on a full moon night.

00:13:34.740 That's a lot of light to create shadow on the moon.

00:13:36.740 And then they'll pause for just a second because they never considered that there are actually two light sources.

00:13:40.740 And they'll say, why does the flag wave on the moon if there's no?

00:13:44.740 And you realize that they've been duped, not by a single piece of evidence, but by the preponderance of false evidence.

00:13:52.740 And because there's so much that isn't true, pointing out individual instances of truth isn't enough to change their thinking.

00:13:59.740 And if you knock down too many of the lies that people believe in a row, they want to abandon the conversation altogether because you're expecting them to accept too many of their own mistakes in their process of logic.

00:14:13.740 I think that's part of what motivates it on a very technical level, but on a philosophical level, what is it?

00:14:18.740 I think you have a few theories on this, which I'll let you go into because you say them better.

00:14:23.740 But I think one reason conservatives and right-wingers in particular are attracted to these ideas is it's one of conservatives' best attributes being turned against them, which is that we're skeptical of most of what we see in the mainstream.

00:14:38.740 We are contrarian. If you're a conservative in 2019 America, you're pretty contrarian against the pop culture.

00:14:45.740 That's probably fair.

00:14:46.740 You are distrustful of the government. You're distrustful of what your history teachers tell you.

00:14:50.740 You are distrustful of what you read on the Coke can. And so you couldn't possibly, this fantastic story, this great achievement of mankind, you just don't believe it could happen.

00:15:01.740 And so you're attracted to every single conspiracy theory, whether it's that we couldn't have survived the Van Allen radiation belt.

00:15:08.740 We couldn't, the flag waved. We filmed it in Culver City right by my old apartment.

00:15:12.740 We, where you, you just, it doesn't matter which theory gets you to that destination, even if the theories contradict each other.

00:15:20.740 Right.

00:15:21.740 The thing that can't be true is the mainstream narrative because we get lied to by the mainstream narrative all the time.

00:15:25.740 Right. I think that is fair. And there's this sort of conflation that happens between different types of lies.

00:15:31.740 Mm-hmm.

00:15:32.740 So there are the, there are the lies that we're told in the media that we all know are lies and that we can evidence are lies.

00:15:37.740 The next step is the things about which we are skeptical, that we strongly suspect are lies, but which we can't prove are lies.

00:15:44.740 And then there's the third, which are things that aren't lies and we can actually prove they're true, but we approach them with that same skepticism from the very beginning.

00:15:52.740 Yeah.

00:15:53.740 And so we don't give credence to the actual evidence when it's.

00:15:57.740 I, I, I take issue with the conservative part of this though. I mean, the thing that always strikes me about conspiracy theories is how unnecessary most of them are.

00:16:04.740 Mm-hmm.

00:16:05.740 If, if some, if Ben were to disappear, it would be fair to construct a conspiracy theory. What, what happened to Ben, you know? But that, although who wouldn't get rid of him?

00:16:13.740 But, I mean, but, but, but most conspiracy theories, like Islamists say we're going to take down the World Trade Center. 0.63

00:16:20.740 They take down the World Trade Center.

00:16:21.740 Right.

00:16:22.740 They say we took down the World Trade Center.

00:16:23.740 Yeah.

00:16:24.740 And suddenly there's a conspiracy theory, who took down the World Trade Center?

00:16:26.740 I'm always struck by how unnecessary it is, which says to me that it's performing a function.

00:16:30.740 And I think the one function that the, that conspiracy theories perform is they keep you from changing your mind.

00:16:35.740 Mm-hmm.

00:16:36.740 And I think any time, JFK, perfect example, this is, this was from a generation that supported communism.

00:16:41.740 They, they, they thought the Soviet Union was the future and it works. 1.00

00:16:44.740 And here was this guy who killed the president because he was a communist and, and JFK.

00:16:49.740 He, he, the assassin. 0.98

00:16:50.740 He, the assassin. 0.90

00:16:51.740 The assassin was a communist.

00:16:52.740 And JFK was a cold warrior.

00:16:53.740 And they just thought it couldn't happen.

00:16:55.740 The day that, uh, he was arrested on the front page of the New York Times, there was an editorial

00:17:00.740 saying, hate killed JFK.

00:17:01.740 Right.

00:17:02.740 And there were bigots who hated JFK.

00:17:03.740 Right.

00:17:04.740 And there were bigots who hated JFK.

00:17:05.740 They didn't kill him.

00:17:06.740 They didn't, it didn't happen.

00:17:07.740 Right.

00:17:08.740 Same thing with the Islamists. 0.97

00:17:09.740 It destroyed multiculturalism.

00:17:11.740 It destroyed irony.

00:17:12.740 It destroyed all the things that the left had been living with.

00:17:15.740 So I think it's whose, uh, ox gets gored.

00:17:17.740 With the moon, it's a little strange because what I think that, that people don't want to change their minds about is that we have been in decline.

00:17:23.740 Yes.

00:17:24.740 This is the issue.

00:17:25.740 Yeah.

00:17:26.740 And I think that it's, it's much easier to believe that all those, uh, you know, crew cut guys smoking cigarettes.

00:17:32.740 With slide rulers.

00:17:33.740 With slide rulers.

00:17:34.740 Couldn't put a rocket on the moon than to believe that we haven't done it in all this time.

00:17:39.740 Well, that does bring you to a, to a kind of weird conspiracy theory of the left about the moon landing.

00:17:44.740 Not that it didn't happen, but that it was the overt product of evil.

00:17:47.740 Right?

00:17:48.740 Which is what you're starting to see in the Washington Post and the New York Times, two articles in the last two days. 0.73

00:17:52.740 One claiming that it was the product of an evil white male culture. 0.91

00:17:55.740 And the other claiming that it was the product of an evil white male culture. 0.97

00:17:58.740 The only, the only difference is focus. 0.94

00:18:01.740 One time it was white, one time it was male.

00:18:03.740 And the New York Times were in a long piece today from a lady basically saying that the shortcomings of the space program, 0.70

00:18:08.740 the reason we haven't put a woman on the moon now is because we put a man on the moon then. 1.00

00:18:12.740 Meaning if it had been more gender neutral back in 1969, then there would be a woman on the moon right now. 1.00

00:18:17.740 And the article makes no sense and it backs off its point about seven different ways and seven different times.

00:18:22.740 No, no, no, no.

00:18:23.740 I think I see their point.

00:18:25.740 That's how he got verified.

00:18:26.740 I mean, what they fail to understand is that if the patriarchy really were in charge, all the women would have been on the moon.

00:18:30.740 Exactly.

00:18:31.740 Right, but if you could put a woman on the moon, why can't you go home? 1.00

00:18:33.740 Apparently, apparently not.

00:18:34.740 So there is this attempt to decry the history of the United States as inherently bad.

00:18:41.740 So even if you accept that good things happened, they were the product of bad things, which means they weren't actually good things in the first place.

00:18:47.740 And you're starting to see that merge with what is not really a conspiracy, but just a historical inaccuracy.

00:18:52.740 The left going through and taking one by one American symbols and turning them into symbols of white supremacy.

00:18:58.740 So you saw this fake story that went around from Yahoo News today about how Chris Pratt was wearing a don't tread on me T-shirt.

00:19:05.740 You know, the flag that was the first symbol of the U.S. Navy and that has flown at everything from Metallica concerts to Second Amendment rallies.

00:19:12.740 And the and the idea was that he had this was a white supremacist symbol.

00:19:16.740 We know that the Betsy Ross flag in the last two weeks became a white supremacist symbol from people who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

00:19:21.740 Why? Because they went on Gab and there were like three trolls who said, you know, it'd be hilarious if we take this symbol like the OK symbol.

00:19:28.740 And we say the OK symbol or the three point symbol is actually white power because WP, see how it works. 0.81

00:19:33.740 And then the entire left goes, wow, it's probably true.

00:19:37.740 And the question isn't why the white supremacists do that. They do that for attention.

00:19:41.740 They do that because they're trying to hijack the symbols.

00:19:43.740 They've been doing that, of course, going all the way back to the American Nazi Party, flying American flags with giant pictures of George Washington in Madison Square Garden.

00:19:50.740 The question is, why did the American left decide to go along with this?

00:19:54.740 And the answer is because their agenda is basically the same, which is to take all of the aspects of American history and paint them with the worst possible brush in the same way that white supremacists are doing.

00:20:02.740 So white supremacists seize the symbol. A normal person would go, no, I'm sorry, that's BS.

00:20:06.740 This is not a white supremacist symbol. You guys are a joke. 0.99

00:20:08.740 Instead, the left goes, maybe you're right. Maybe it was a symbol of white supremacy. 0.99

00:20:13.740 And so you're seeing that with their take on the moon landing now, which is sure the moon landing happened, but was it really that great?

00:20:18.740 I mean, it was the product of society in which segregation had only recently been banished.

00:20:23.740 It was the product of society where men were disproportionately staffing NASA.

00:20:27.740 Could it really have been that awesome if all that happened?

00:20:30.740 And I said, well, you're missing the actual news part of us landing on the moon.

00:20:34.740 I pointed this out on my show today.

00:20:36.740 One of the parts of the word news is the word new.

00:20:39.740 It actually has to be something new.

00:20:41.740 One of the things that was not new is the patriarchy.

00:20:43.740 One of the things that was not new was racism.

00:20:45.740 The thing that was new was when we put a dude on the moon.

00:20:47.740 That was new.

00:20:48.740 So if you're talking about the part that's different, the question is not what kind of terrible society produced a man on the moon.

00:20:56.740 The question is, what did we do right to put a man on the moon?

00:20:58.740 Yeah.

00:20:59.740 And because the left doesn't want to assume we ever did anything, right?

00:21:01.740 It becomes, was putting a man on the moon really all that important?

00:21:04.740 And it does raise the question, like, what have they done?

00:21:06.740 What has the left produced?

00:21:08.740 What have they created? 0.93

00:21:09.740 They keep telling us, you know, you don't want to be replaced by brown people. 1.00

00:21:12.740 And frankly, I don't care what color Americans are as long as they're Americans.

00:21:15.740 But my question is, don't they, don't people have to do something before we admire them?

00:21:19.740 They put a man in the ladies room. 1.00

00:21:21.740 That's pretty good, isn't it?

00:21:23.740 This is impressive.

00:21:24.740 It's one small step for a man. 0.92

00:21:26.740 If it is a man, it's okay.

00:21:30.740 Yeah, I, I think this is right.

00:21:32.740 That you, if you can't point to achievement, to accomplishment, then all you're left with is tear down the accomplishments of others.

00:21:37.740 And this is the fundamental issue with the left, right?

00:21:40.740 Since, since equality does not exist in a vacuum, what they want to do is penalize success.

00:21:46.740 Because penalizing success is much, much, much easier to accomplish than, than turning failure into success.

00:21:53.740 Right.

00:21:54.740 So if, if, you know, the, the, the obvious example is if, if one runner is fast and one runner is slow, there's only one way you can get them to be, to run the same.

00:22:03.740 That's to make the fast guy slow, right?

00:22:04.740 Yeah.

00:22:05.740 So they have to tear down what they see as all the, as all the spikes of human accomplishment because they don't like who accomplished them.

00:22:12.740 And they don't like that they were accomplished by only some people.

00:22:15.740 So you have to crush all that.

00:22:16.740 And I think, I get these questions in the mailbag.

00:22:18.740 They say, why, do, why do they hate Washington?

00:22:20.740 Why do they hate Jefferson?

00:22:21.740 Why do they, is it because they hate men? 0.98

00:22:23.740 Is it because they hate white people? 0.99

00:22:25.740 Is it because they hate Americans? 1.00

00:22:26.740 And I think it's because they hate themselves.

00:22:28.740 They hate exactly what you were saying, that we can't do that today.

00:22:33.740 We can't put a man on the moon right now.

00:22:35.740 We can't do it because our culture is in decline because those old people in the black and white old timey days. 1.00

00:22:40.740 That's right.

00:22:41.740 Who didn't even have, they didn't even have iPads.

00:22:43.740 Can you imagine?

00:22:44.740 Yeah.

00:22:45.740 And they put a man on the moon and they hate that we are in decline.

00:22:48.740 That we actually, maybe we're not so perfect.

00:22:51.740 Maybe we can't judge and hold in moral opprobrium every past person in history.

00:22:56.740 Well, but this is our, the accomplishment of their age was putting man on the moon, splitting the atoms, saving the West from Nazism and from Imperial Japanese fanaticism. 0.75

00:23:04.740 And by the way, destroying segregation in the United States.

00:23:07.740 That's what I was going to say.

00:23:09.740 That same generation.

00:23:10.740 Yeah.

00:23:11.740 The same generation. 0.74

00:23:12.740 The accomplishment of this generation is declaring itself morally superior to that generation.

00:23:16.740 That's right.

00:23:17.740 That is the one thing that we can all do.

00:23:18.740 Yeah.

00:23:19.740 And it is quite an accomplishment considering the morals of our generation.

00:23:22.740 But it really is, it is true though that everything they have, everything that they fight for, everything that they believe in, was created by the people who came before them.

00:23:32.740 You think just a little bit of gratitude, a little bit.

00:23:35.740 Well, Kate Winslet said, Kate Winslet said this week.

00:23:37.740 And by Democrats, I mean mostly by Democrats, it was JFK's mission.

00:23:39.740 That's right.

00:23:40.740 This happened, this happened right, you know, right after an eight year stretch in which Democrats were president.

00:23:45.740 Yeah.

00:23:46.740 That's right.

00:23:47.740 So what exactly are, like they could just take credit for it.

00:23:49.740 Have you ever, have you ever gone back?

00:23:50.740 Of course you haven't.

00:23:51.740 You've listened to JFK's speeches.

00:23:52.740 He sounds like us.

00:23:53.740 He's a Republican.

00:23:54.740 He sounds like Kate Winslet.

00:23:55.740 He's an anti-communist.

00:23:56.740 Yeah. 0.97

00:23:57.740 I'm going to say my freaking Kate Winslet point. 0.78

00:23:58.740 Okay. 0.90

00:23:59.740 Go.

00:24:00.740 I forgot.

00:24:01.740 Yeah.

00:24:02.740 Oh, it was the Kate Winslet wealth thing?

00:24:04.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:05.740 She said today she was pleased to find out that her ancestors were peasants and paupers in Britain.

00:24:11.740 She would have been ashamed and humiliated to have discovered that she descended from wealth.

00:24:15.740 Because they don't, they can't handle that people in the past accomplished anything.

00:24:19.740 Right.

00:24:20.740 It would actually be a shameful act to be descended from the people who accomplished something.

00:24:24.740 I do love the fact that Kate Winslet said that.

00:24:26.740 And we're supposed to appreciate her bravery for saying that she's so appreciative of the fact that she came from poverty.

00:24:31.740 How about her kids?

00:24:32.740 Yeah.

00:24:33.740 I mean, so I presume that she's going to give away all of her wealth and she's going to tell her children to live in absolute penury. 1.00

00:24:40.740 Yeah.

00:24:41.740 And by the way, she doesn't have to wait to do it.

00:24:42.740 Her kids are there right now.

00:24:43.740 Yeah.

00:24:44.740 They're growing up right now.

00:24:45.740 Right?

00:24:46.740 She could just give away all that wealth right now. 0.58

00:24:47.740 She could put all of that money to good use fighting global warming.

00:24:49.740 Mm-hmm.

00:24:50.740 And she could go play whatever Oscar bait part she's going to play with seven viewers. 1.00

00:24:54.740 And I mean, she's a great actress, but anytime she wants, she can give up that money and go right back to the virtuous poverty she seeks. 1.00

00:24:59.740 That's right.

00:25:00.740 And one of the nice things about the left is that they're always talking about virtuous poverty.

00:25:03.740 And yet, so few of them actually want to live in it.

00:25:06.740 Yeah.

00:25:07.740 And so little virtue exists in poverty.

00:25:09.740 Well, I mean, this is one of the great myths.

00:25:11.740 It drives me up a wall.

00:25:12.740 And you see it from every presidential candidate, by the way.

00:25:14.740 You know, the way you can tell I'm a good person is, I grew up in a small house in the prairie.

00:25:18.740 It's like, I can't tell anything from that.

00:25:20.740 You know, what I can tell is that you grew up in a small house on the prairie.

00:25:22.740 And it drives me up a wall because then the assumption is if you disagree with them, then it's because you came from inordinate wealth.

00:25:28.740 Right? That's always the assumption.

00:25:29.740 And I never talk about the fact, I will right now, I never talk about the fact on my show that when I grew up, we were like middle, middle class.

00:25:36.740 And when I say middle, middle class, I mean we had a 1,100 square foot house in Burbank with four kids in the house and one bathroom.

00:25:42.740 And I shared a room with my three younger sisters.

00:25:44.740 And my parents worked their asses off and they paid so that we could eventually not go to public school and I could start going to private school.

00:25:51.740 Even then it was only for a couple of years at a time.

00:25:53.740 That is not absolute wealth.

00:25:55.740 But that doesn't make me virtuous.

00:25:56.740 It makes my parents virtuous for making good decisions.

00:25:58.740 Oh, right, right.

00:25:59.740 I'm just, I'm so tired of these.

00:26:00.740 You know, when I was in England and I was among all the mystery writers, you know, there was a big, big controversy about P.D. James, the great, one of the great ladies of British mysteries,

00:26:09.740 who said I like to write about the middle class basically because they have more moral choices.

00:26:13.740 So it makes them for a more interesting story.

00:26:15.740 And they started calling her all kinds of unrepeatable names.

00:26:18.740 And I was on a panel once, I said this is P.D. James.

00:26:20.740 She underwrites your industry with her success.

00:26:23.740 The least you could do is listen to what she's saying.

00:26:25.740 The people in poverty don't have as much moral leeway as you do, as you get wealthier.

00:26:31.740 That is why societies, as they get wealthier, get more moral.

00:26:34.740 They become, they start to think about more things because they have more choices.

00:26:37.740 All of that is built by the people who come before us and all of it should inspire gratitude.

00:26:43.740 There's also this idea, and it actually takes some, you find it in religious settings quite often, where not only is poverty virtuous, which is obviously an evil thing to say, but sort of asceticism generally is virtuous.

00:26:57.740 It occurred to me the other day that it's actually just the reverse side of the same coin of there's a belief that the purpose of religion is to bring order to chaos.

00:27:08.740 And so the Bible thumping, rule of Biden, don't look left, don't look right, graceless, puritanical religious person believes that the-

00:27:18.740 Pete Buttigieg.

00:27:19.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:21.740 Believes that the way that you bring order to the system, you take energy out of the system by stopping movement all around you.

00:27:28.740 So you know when you heat up a bathtub and the molecules in the water get moving fast, that's energy, right?

00:27:32.740 They want to cool it off.

00:27:34.740 So they're constantly telling people, slow down, don't, you know, do this, don't do that.

00:27:39.740 The reverse side of that is the ascetic who says, I'm going to bring energy out of the system by slowing me down.

00:27:46.740 And I'm going to become at peace.

00:27:48.740 I'm going to become an inert object.

00:27:50.740 All the chaos can happen all around me, but I'm contributing to the chaos on behalf of God through not pursuing anything, sitting under the eucalyptus tree and contemplating my navel.

00:28:01.740 And it occurs to me that the reality of God is that if there is a God, he must surely be the God of what is, not the God of what could have been or what might be.

00:28:09.740 He's the God of what is.

00:28:10.740 And therefore he's a God, he's the God of the dynamic molecules that are bouncing around.

00:28:15.740 Creation.

00:28:16.740 Creation.

00:28:17.740 Incredible.

00:28:18.740 So what God wants from us is not that we stop the energy in the world and not that we not participate in the energy in the world, but that we trust that he is guiding the energies of the world.

00:28:28.740 Maybe we try to align ourself with his chosen direction for the energies of the world, but we could have theological debate about the exact relationship that we're supposed to have with him.

00:28:37.740 But surely it's not to stop it.

00:28:39.740 You know, that's another great point.

00:28:40.740 I had no idea we were this intelligent.

00:28:41.740 I know.

00:28:42.740 You're good.

00:28:43.740 You're good.

00:28:44.740 We're not.

00:28:45.740 I have no idea what he just said.

00:28:46.740 Uh-oh.

00:28:47.740 Wait, wait, wait.

00:28:48.740 Hold on.

00:28:49.740 Let's turn over.

00:28:50.740 Bravo us.

00:28:51.740 And bravo also.

00:28:52.740 Wow.

00:28:53.740 Wow.

00:28:54.740 Amazing.

00:28:55.740 Well, when the founders crafted the Constitution, the first thing that they did was protect our right to share our ideas, which it turns out may not have been a good idea given what we're doing here tonight.

00:29:03.740 Without limitation by the government, that's the First Amendment, but then they created the Second Amendment so we could protect the First Amendment and, indeed, all the other amendments.

00:29:09.740 All of us in the room here are gun owners.

00:29:11.740 All of us not only want to protect our rights, but also want to protect our safety.

00:29:14.740 Believe it or not, I think all of us in the room have gotten death threats.

00:29:17.740 We certainly have security.

00:29:18.740 And one of the things that we always want to make sure of is that we are armed.

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00:30:17.740 So I do want to move on from the conversation about conspiracies, but I think before we do, because of the anniversary of Apollo,

00:30:25.740 we should talk a little bit about the specific, most widely circulated conspiracies about the moon landing,

00:30:31.740 and just knock them down quickly for our audience.

00:30:34.740 I'm sure we each have kind of a favorite one, maybe a couple.

00:30:37.740 I'll pick up some at the end.

00:30:39.740 Does anybody have one that they're...

00:30:40.740 Yeah, I mean, I've got a great conspiracy.

00:30:42.740 There's one that in 1969, three men actually went into lunar orbit and then took a lunar module and landed on the moon,

00:30:50.740 which is obviously impossible, because it's a flat disk.

00:30:53.740 So could you knock that one down?

00:30:55.740 I want to bring up a point that Bill brings up, which I think was a brilliant point,

00:31:00.740 was that you can trace every step of the moon landing from bottle rockets.

00:31:05.740 This is the best part of this video.

00:31:06.740 It is such a great point.

00:31:08.740 And that there's one step after another step after another step.

00:31:11.740 If they hadn't landed on the moon, you would have had to come up with a conspiracy theory for why not?

00:31:16.740 Why did the change suddenly stop?

00:31:18.740 He says, where does the miracle occur?

00:31:20.740 Yeah.

00:31:21.740 Was it Apollo 11?

00:31:22.740 So Apollo 10, not a miracle.

00:31:24.740 Right.

00:31:25.740 Apollo 11 completely could not be accomplished.

00:31:27.740 That's right.

00:31:28.740 Apollo 8 went to the moon.

00:31:29.740 Yeah.

00:31:30.740 Yeah.

00:31:31.740 That was fine.

00:31:32.740 It's also a matter of such brute force that it's just like real life.

00:31:35.740 You know, it's just a matter of throw weight.

00:31:37.740 How hard can you get something to go off so that it gets to the moon?

00:31:40.740 That really is what it is.

00:31:41.740 So that's a great point.

00:31:44.740 There was a Saturn V.

00:31:45.740 Millions of people saw the Saturn V, the biggest rocket ever made, go into orbit or go into space.

00:31:52.740 The entire country had been enthralled with Sputnik when the Russians put a satellite that would zoom over our head 0.86

00:31:57.740 and we could hear it on our little radios.

00:31:59.740 Well, not we, you.

00:32:00.740 Yeah.

00:32:01.740 We're quite young.

00:32:02.740 I remember well.

00:32:03.740 I do.

00:32:04.740 And yet somehow the Russians, I guess if we sent the Saturn V and all it did was sort of hang out in orbit 0.96

00:32:09.740 because it couldn't go through the radiation belts and it couldn't go 200,000 miles to the moon,

00:32:12.740 that means it would have been up there.

00:32:14.740 Wouldn't our mortal enemies, the Soviet Union, with whom we were in an existential crisis 1.00

00:32:19.740 and who had radar stations all over the Earth, have been aware that the biggest thing ever launched into orbit

00:32:24.740 was spinning around up there and not going over the Earth?

00:32:26.740 This is the biggest defeater for these conspiracies.

00:32:28.740 The biggest defeater is the existence of the Soviet Union. 0.96

00:32:30.740 Correct.

00:32:31.740 Because it's, so it's, obviously they're tracking these things live.

00:32:33.740 By the way, it's not just the government's tracking them live.

00:32:35.740 There were just individuals tracking all of these rockets, all of these satellites.

00:32:40.740 And it's not also like we aired this footage after the fact.

00:32:44.740 Everything is happening in real time, but the Russians, because they're so nice and honest

00:32:49.740 and they always want to do a favor for the good old US of A, they decided to admit defeat falsely.

00:32:55.740 You know one of the false things that people think?

00:32:58.740 That people think that Americans got bored with the space program.

00:33:01.740 That is true.

00:33:02.740 But it's also true that as a kid, I mean I was a little kid when we landed on the moon,

00:33:06.740 it never occurred to me we wouldn't land on the moon.

00:33:08.740 The President said we would.

00:33:09.740 We had all these astronauts who were my heroes.

00:33:11.740 The astronauts and baseball players were my heroes.

00:33:13.740 Yeah.

00:33:14.740 It never occurred to me we wouldn't land on the moon.

00:33:16.740 So when we landed on it, I remember my father sitting there going like, there's people on the moon.

00:33:21.740 And it wasn't like I thought, oh so what?

00:33:23.740 I didn't think that.

00:33:24.740 I just thought, of course.

00:33:25.740 Of course.

00:33:26.740 We're America.

00:33:27.740 We decided to go to the moon.

00:33:28.740 There is something too about the fact that maybe one of the reasons that we've lost a bit of purpose is the lack of the oppositional.

00:33:33.740 Meaning that the entire moon program was based on the fact that we were going to defeat the Soviets.

00:33:37.740 And the Soviet Union disappears and suddenly it's the end of history. 0.62

00:33:39.740 What do we have to go to the moon for?

00:33:40.740 Yeah.

00:33:41.740 The Soviets aren't going there. 0.89

00:33:42.740 What difference does it make?

00:33:43.740 And you feel the same thing when people talk about Mars.

00:33:44.740 Like, oh, that's cool.

00:33:45.740 They're kind of talking about Mars.

00:33:46.740 I guess that's kind of a neat thing.

00:33:47.740 That'd be cool if we did it.

00:33:48.740 But there's no drive like, well, if we don't do it, the Soviets are going to do it. 0.96

00:33:52.740 And you never know what they're going to do with Mars.

00:33:53.740 But that's a shame.

00:33:54.740 You know, one of the things that really pains me is whenever anybody in a debate, in a political debate, a political setting, starts talking about space, they sound nuts.

00:34:02.740 And I remember listening to Dan Aykroyd, who is a nutty comedian actor.

00:34:07.740 But I remember years ago saying, you know, we've got to get off this planet.

00:34:10.740 And of course that's true.

00:34:11.740 I mean, of course that's true.

00:34:12.740 We're here because we got out of Europe just before Europe went down the drain.

00:34:15.740 That's kind of the way human beings are.

00:34:17.740 We sort of move on to the next place.

00:34:19.740 We need territory.

00:34:21.740 You know, we need new places to go.

00:34:22.740 Well, this is the other thing that is going to be fascinating.

00:34:25.740 I mean, it was governments that got us to the moon.

00:34:27.740 But it's going to be private industry that gets us to Mars.

00:34:29.740 I think so, too.

00:34:30.740 And I think government, in a way, sucked a lot of the energy out of the program by taking all those guys out of the private sector.

00:34:35.740 I mean, it's a great achievement.

00:34:37.740 But at the same time, if we hadn't had to do it in such a hurry, it might have happened through private industry.

00:34:42.740 Well, there's a second piece to this, which is the motive of the government went from defeating the Soviet Union to working with the Soviet Union.

00:34:48.740 Yeah.

00:34:49.740 That became the du jour thing.

00:34:50.740 We can't defeat the Soviets. 0.94

00:34:51.740 We have to coexist with them.

00:34:52.740 When they originally built, were conceiving of the space station, the ISS, what became the ISS, they wanted a space station that would make it easier to mount missions to the moon and beyond.

00:35:06.740 A place where you could go up to the station, then you could take off from the station and go further out into the solar system.

00:35:12.740 But then they decided that it needed to be an international space station and the Russians were going to kick in like three cents on the dollar.

00:35:18.740 Yeah.

00:35:19.740 And what they came up with was because Russia is a northern hemisphere country and all their holdings were very far north, Russia could not get to an orbit that would allow for a station from which you could proceed out to the moon and other places in the solar system.

00:35:38.740 And so the entire reason they designed the station was so that we could go back to the moon much more economically so that we could go to Mars, so we could go to Saturn by 70 or whatever, they had all these ideas, right?

00:35:49.740 So we want to build a station so that we can go back to the moon and Mars.

00:35:52.740 Cool.

00:35:53.740 We also want the Russians to be involved.

00:35:54.740 Are they going to pay for it?

00:35:55.740 Barely at all.

00:35:56.740 Okay, can they get to it?

00:35:57.740 No.

00:35:58.740 All right, well, let's move it.

00:35:59.740 Will we still be able to go to the moon and beyond?

00:36:00.740 No.

00:36:01.740 So what will we do?

00:36:02.740 We'll work with the Russians. 0.86

00:36:03.740 Literally, for 30 years after that, the only purpose of the manned space component of NASA was basically so that we could build something together with the Russians.

00:36:13.740 So we designed the space shuttle to build the space station so that the space shuttle would have a place to go.

00:36:19.740 Yeah.

00:36:20.740 And that was it.

00:36:21.740 Well, this is like during the Obama administration.

00:36:22.740 There were those news stories that the mission of NASA had become to flatter Muslims about their own scientific histories or something to that effect.

00:36:29.740 What happened to that?

00:36:30.740 I missed that.

00:36:31.740 It actually did begin earlier.

00:36:33.740 It began when we fundamentally changed the purpose of the International Space Station and the U.S. space program.

00:36:38.740 And surprise, surprise, we haven't done very much in the last 30 years.

00:36:42.740 You know who's tired of talking about space?

00:36:44.740 Who?

00:36:45.740 Every woman watching backstage currently.

00:36:48.740 Not one of them wants us to keep talking about space.

00:36:50.740 They want us to move on to just any other topic because they're exactly like men.

00:36:56.740 This may explain why the patriarchy went to the moon.

00:37:01.740 So here's a fun thing to talk about.

00:37:03.740 Yeah.

00:37:04.740 We're taking this show on the road.

00:37:05.740 I know.

00:37:06.740 I know.

00:37:07.740 I can't wait.

00:37:08.740 I'm so excited.

00:37:09.740 So Backstage Live is on its way.

00:37:12.740 It's coming up in August.

00:37:13.740 We are going to be in Long Beach, California.

00:37:16.740 And it's going to be awesome.

00:37:18.740 The four of us are going to be there.

00:37:20.740 There will be cigars.

00:37:21.740 There will be whiskey.

00:37:22.740 Whatever fruity thing Ben chooses.

00:37:25.740 It's going to be on August 21st at the Terrace Theater in Long Beach, California.

00:37:30.740 Lots of politics.

00:37:31.740 Lots of pop culture.

00:37:32.740 Lots of insights and laughs.

00:37:33.740 Absolutely no more talking about manned space flight.

00:37:36.740 Your questions, though, lie from the audience.

00:37:39.740 That's the most important part.

00:37:40.740 It is the only time in 2019 that there will be a live Daily Wire production for people to attend.

00:37:48.740 Now, I say that.

00:37:49.740 What if we have another one?

00:37:50.740 I'll apologize.

00:37:51.740 It's like when the Eagles go on their farewell tour like three times a year.

00:37:54.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:55.740 This is farewell one.

00:37:56.740 Did Jeremy just gender space flight when he's a manned space flight?

00:37:59.740 No, no, no, no.

00:38:02.740 This is, as far as we know, the only live Daily Wire event of the year.

00:38:05.740 Last year, we had two great events with Ben Shapiro live in Dallas and in Phoenix.

00:38:08.740 People flew in from all over the country.

00:38:09.740 People flew in from Canada.

00:38:11.740 They were terrific.

00:38:12.740 We wanted to do the same thing this year, but we wanted the whole gang to be able to be there.

00:38:16.740 There's a VIP experience.

00:38:17.740 People can pay a little bit extra, come back, meet the four of us, get their pictures with the four of us.

00:38:21.740 We need a dunk tank for Knowles next time. 1.00

00:38:23.740 We have to have a dunk tank. 0.99

00:38:25.740 But imagine the swimsuit is the real trouble.

00:38:27.740 You know what I mean?

00:38:28.740 There's the rub.

00:38:29.740 Tickets are available at dailywire.com slash backstage.

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00:38:37.740 LAX is a mediocre airport, let's be honest, but it is in close proximity to the theater.

00:38:43.740 So please fly out, drive out, come on out and see us.

00:38:46.740 You can have some great photos at the meet and greet with each of us and a gift of swag from us.

00:38:52.740 You may think this is a cold and calculated ploy to get you to turn loose of some of your money.

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00:39:01.740 Come get your tickets, come visit us at Daily Wire backstage live.

00:39:05.740 If you pay a little extra, they don't have to meet us.

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00:39:09.740 These are the best events, by the way.

00:39:11.740 We do some of these college events all the time.

00:39:13.740 And they're great.

00:39:14.740 I love meeting the students and talking to them.

00:39:17.740 But when we went out for your last year, those two events, it was so cool talking to everybody.

00:39:22.740 It was really an incredible experience.

00:39:25.740 So I'm very much looking forward to it.

00:39:27.740 One of the things that really amazed me at the event in Dallas, because that was the first one that we did,

00:39:31.740 was how much interaction we got to have with the fans.

00:39:35.740 Oh, yeah.

00:39:36.740 I thought the VIP thing might be kind of lame.

00:39:38.740 It might move too fast.

00:39:39.740 I really got to meet a ton of the people who support the Daily Wire.

00:39:44.740 It was a blast.

00:39:45.740 It's the best thing about going out.

00:39:47.740 I love it.

00:39:48.740 One of the best things about going to colleges is just meeting people and getting to them.

00:39:51.740 Because, you know, we're in this business where you can listen to yourself a lot.

00:39:54.740 And if you don't have the little input coming in, you start just repeating yourself.

00:39:58.740 And it's great to hear what people are thinking about.

00:40:00.740 Also, you're super old.

00:40:01.740 You don't remember why you said like five minutes ago.

00:40:04.740 Where am I?

00:40:05.740 One of the best things about being on the road.

00:40:08.740 So, the topic du jour that we have to address, that we have not gotten to yet.

00:40:15.740 The racist elephant in the room.

00:40:17.740 The President of the United States had a...

00:40:22.740 Why?

00:40:23.740 Why, God, why?

00:40:24.740 Yeah.

00:40:25.740 So, to review this story.

00:40:27.740 Please.

00:40:28.740 As of last Friday and last Thursday.

00:40:30.740 And it hasn't been a week, guys.

00:40:31.740 Yeah.

00:40:32.740 Because time has stopped.

00:40:33.740 You know, we...

00:40:34.740 This is interstellar.

00:40:35.740 We have entered the water planet where all time is meaningless.

00:40:38.740 Well, just last Thursday, we were all laughing to ourselves because AOC and Nancy Pelosi

00:40:43.740 were clubbing each other with sticks.

00:40:44.740 And it was great.

00:40:45.740 So perfect.

00:40:46.740 Because Nancy Pelosi was saying about AOC that she is basically just a glass of water

00:40:50.740 in her district and doesn't really matter very much.

00:40:52.740 And the true power lies with Nancy Pelosi. 1.00

00:40:54.740 So why are you listening to these numbskulls and their stupid policy proposals? 1.00

00:40:57.740 Fact check true. 1.00

00:40:58.740 And then AOC returns by saying, that's because you are a racist. 0.51

00:41:02.740 And Nancy Pelosi was like, what? 0.86

00:41:05.740 And AOC was like, yeah.

00:41:06.740 And then Nancy Pelosi was like, what?

00:41:08.740 And AOC was like, racist.

00:41:10.740 And Nancy Pelosi was like, how dare you? 0.96

00:41:12.740 And AOC was like, racist.

00:41:14.740 And it was great.

00:41:15.740 I mean, we were all having ourselves a ball of a weekend.

00:41:18.740 It was just terrific.

00:41:19.740 Because this is what they've had coming for so long.

00:41:21.740 Right?

00:41:22.740 Nancy Pelosi and every Democrat have been playing the race card incessantly against Republicans. 1.00

00:41:26.740 And not only that, AOC has been lying about playing the race card against Republicans

00:41:31.740 for a very long time.

00:41:32.740 Nancy Pelosi bought into the lie that the definition of racist is anyone who disagrees with the left

00:41:39.740 and didn't understand that the actual definition of racist is anyone who disagrees with the person to their left.

00:41:46.740 Correct.

00:41:47.740 This is right.

00:41:48.740 This is right.

00:41:49.740 It's whatever the party says it is.

00:41:50.740 Over the weekend, you had Ayanna Pressley suggesting in fully racist fashion that you are not truly black unless you are a leftist. 0.93

00:41:56.740 You are not truly gay and not truly a Muslim unless you are on the left. 0.99

00:41:59.740 Correct. 0.90

00:42:00.740 Which would come as a shock to a lot of Muslims who are in fact not on the left. 0.95

00:42:02.740 A lot of black folks who are not on the left and a lot of gay folks who are not on the left. 0.85

00:42:05.740 In any case, this was all going on. 0.97

00:42:08.740 And the piranhas were eating each other.

00:42:10.740 And it was great.

00:42:11.740 It was the Iran-Iraq war of domestic policy.

00:42:13.740 It was just like two parties and you don't really like either of them.

00:42:17.740 But as long as they are hitting each other, okay.

00:42:19.740 All right.

00:42:20.740 Okay.

00:42:21.740 And then Donald Trump.

00:42:22.740 Ah.

00:42:23.740 And then Donald Trump.

00:42:24.740 So you guys know the World of Warcraft meme, right?

00:42:27.740 Yeah.

00:42:28.740 The Leroy Jenkins, right?

00:42:30.740 You remember that meme.

00:42:31.740 So for those who don't recall, there is a World of Warcraft meme where there are a bunch of people and they are all sitting around and they are playing.

00:42:36.740 They are making a plan.

00:42:37.740 They are making a plan to invade a particular room.

00:42:39.740 And Leroy Jenkins is a character in World of Warcraft and he has gone out to make himself in the microwave some chicken.

00:42:45.740 And he comes back and they are making the plan and he simply sits down in his controller and charges directly into the line of fire while screaming, Leroy Jenkins.

00:42:56.740 President Leroy Jenkins decided over the weekend, you know what would be a great idea?

00:43:00.740 AOC and Nancy Pelosi are beating the crap out of each other.

00:43:03.740 You know what I should do? 1.00

00:43:04.740 I should go in there and just say something dumb. 0.99

00:43:07.740 Like something as dumb and offensive as I can think of like on the spur of the moment, like right now. 0.99

00:43:11.740 I don't know. I'll say that like all the progressive Congresswomen come from countries that suck and that they should go back to those countries that suck. 1.00

00:43:19.740 Like that's what I'll say. 0.99

00:43:21.740 And he tweeted that out.

00:43:22.740 And naturally, everybody went, whoa.

00:43:25.740 And then Nancy Pelosi was like, I love you, AOC.

00:43:27.740 And AOC was like, right back at you, Nance.

00:43:30.740 And suddenly they were on the same team attacking President Trump and passing resolutions in the House to condemn bigotry.

00:43:35.740 Which is a shock since just a few months ago they condemned all bigotry that has ever existed or ever existed.

00:43:40.740 Except, of course, for Ilhan Omar's.

00:43:42.740 That was the recap.

00:43:43.740 Donald Trump was playing 16-dimensional chess.

00:43:46.740 Underwater, upside down, hungry, hungry.

00:43:48.740 I'm going to take issue with both of these sides.

00:43:51.740 He's not 16-dimensional chess, but I don't think that's quite fair.

00:43:55.740 Donald Trump has a genius, an instinctive genius for playing the left.

00:44:00.740 The problem is, is a question of whether he is expanding the right.

00:44:05.740 But it's, you know, I think he did something.

00:44:09.740 He made a mistake.

00:44:10.740 And you can tell he made a mistake because without apologizing, because Trump never apologized, he changed what he said.

00:44:14.740 This is right.

00:44:15.740 That's how you could tell.

00:44:16.740 That's how you could tell.

00:44:17.740 And we can all say that go back where you came from does partake.

00:44:20.740 I don't actually think Trump is a racist, but it partakes of that racist meme, go back where you came from.

00:44:25.740 Right.

00:44:26.740 In the same way that it's all about the Benjamins partakes of anti-Semitic memes.

00:44:29.740 So that was a mistake.

00:44:30.740 And then he changed it to if you don't like the country, you can leave.

00:44:33.740 He can leave.

00:44:34.740 Clearly, clearly, his instinctive plan, I don't know how much he thinks these things out, I don't know.

00:44:38.740 But his instinctive plan was to not let them get into a civil war.

00:44:41.740 Yes.

00:44:42.740 He wants them wrapped around these four horsewomen of the apocalypse. 1.00

00:44:46.740 That's exactly right.

00:44:47.740 And that is, there is a genius to this because they keep falling for it because he's them.

00:44:52.740 He's a guy created by leftist culture, and he's fighting back the way the leftists fight us, and that's why people love him.

00:44:58.740 I think that's backfilling a rationale, but that's the effect.

00:45:01.740 I don't think he was sitting there going, I need Pelosi to come back to you.

00:45:04.740 I don't think he does it.

00:45:05.740 I think he does it instinctively.

00:45:06.740 I think the instinct is, why is the news not about me today?

00:45:10.740 No, I think that's unfair.

00:45:11.740 I think he knows what he's doing with the left.

00:45:13.740 He knows how to play them.

00:45:14.740 He plays them like a puppeteer.

00:45:16.740 But the question is, and this is the place where you have to question whether his strategy is long-term,

00:45:22.740 is there a single human being who reads those tweets who didn't vote for him before, 0.99

00:45:27.740 who says, wow, if I had only known what a jerk he was, I would have voted for him the first time. 0.99

00:45:32.740 And it's doubtful. 0.99

00:45:33.740 I mean, he may be able to suppress enough Democrat votes to win again, but I don't know if he's going to be able to add.

00:45:38.740 By the way, I think this is going there anyway.

00:45:41.740 Because I think that Nancy Pelosi, one of two things is going to happen.

00:45:43.740 Either Nancy Pelosi was going to get her head on the stick in the form of Saika Chakrabarty, who is AOC's chief of staff. 1.00

00:45:48.740 And then they were all going to make up with each other because AOC would have no choice but to make up with Nancy Pelosi.

00:45:53.740 Or the media were going to jump in on the side of AOC and the squad, which is what they were already doing, right?

00:45:58.740 Michelle Goldberg and The New York Times were doing that.

00:46:00.740 The fact is that, again, I don't even think that it's Trump saying, I want them all lumped in.

00:46:05.740 Trump picks the people he wants to argue with, and then he argues with them.

00:46:08.740 And because he argues with those people, people who oppose President Trump all unify to take the other side of the argument.

00:46:13.740 So I don't even think he was like, you know what, I need Nancy Pelosi and Ilhan Omar to get back together.

00:46:16.740 I don't think that was it. 0.98

00:46:17.740 I think he was like, you know who sucks? 0.99

00:46:19.740 Those people. 1.00

00:46:20.740 Those people are jerks and I hate them. 1.00

00:46:22.740 And then Nancy Pelosi was like, well, if you say they're jerks, they're probably great. 1.00

00:46:26.740 So I don't agree with either of you. 0.99

00:46:28.740 I think that it really is just the news cycle wasn't about him.

00:46:30.740 He doesn't have any real impulse control.

00:46:32.740 He jumps in.

00:46:33.740 I don't think that it's fair to say that the tweets were racist. 0.84

00:46:36.740 I think that the tweet was kind of disgusting.

00:46:38.740 And it was wrong.

00:46:39.740 It was factually inaccurate.

00:46:40.740 It was jerky.

00:46:41.740 I think that it was hugely presumptuous.

00:46:44.740 And race may have played a factor in the presumption.

00:46:47.740 The presumption being that the four women are American. 0.97

00:46:50.740 Right.

00:46:51.740 I think the presumption may have been informed by race, but it's more informed by their rhetoric.

00:46:57.740 They present themselves as being an American.

00:47:00.740 And not just an American in terms of values, but AOC talks more about Puerto Rico than she talks about...

00:47:06.740 Rashida Tlaib is always talking about Palestine.

00:47:07.740 She even said this country belongs to everyone.

00:47:09.740 There's like news to me.

00:47:11.740 So I think you don't have to grant the left this catch-all term of racist.

00:47:16.740 Well, so this is the thing.

00:47:17.740 I think that there is, to be intellectually honest, an argument that the tweet was racist.

00:47:23.740 And the intellectually honest argument is that he said something clearly xenophobic, go back to your country, to a bunch of people, including people who were born here in the United States.

00:47:32.740 He was xenophobic.

00:47:33.740 No question.

00:47:34.740 The question is, if there had been a white member of the Justice Democrats, which of course there is not, would he have said the exact same thing?

00:47:39.740 Or is he saying that because he's assuming they're all foreigners because they are brown in color?

00:47:43.740 And we don't know the answer to that question.

00:47:44.740 We don't know the answer, but I think people have suspicions one way or another.

00:47:47.740 I think people on the right suspect he wouldn't have said it.

00:47:50.740 And people on the right, I mean, he would have said it anyway because he says things.

00:47:53.740 And people on the left suspect he only would have said it because it's about a bunch of brown people, because they do this with everything he says. 0.96

00:47:58.740 Whenever he attacks a black person, for the left, it's because they're black. 0.94

00:48:01.740 For the right, it's like, no, he attacks everyone. 0.92

00:48:03.740 Have you met any Republican he has attacked?

00:48:05.740 Yeah, really.

00:48:06.740 Everyone.

00:48:07.740 But the problem with all of this, obviously, is that he doesn't have to do that in order to achieve the, if you believe that there is any even gut level strategy to it, he doesn't have to do that to achieve that response, right?

00:48:20.740 I mean, all he had to do was just dump on Ilhan Omar and Nancy Pelosi in the second way he did it.

00:48:25.740 And Nancy Pelosi would have rushed to the show. 1.00

00:48:27.740 He made a mistake.

00:48:28.740 There's no question he made a mistake.

00:48:29.740 Compare where we are a week ago to where we are today.

00:48:32.740 I mean, this is why I think we all grant what he said was factually untrue, and it was an unfair attack to say, at least it was unfair for three of them, for three of the four that he was almost certainly alluding to.

00:48:42.740 Right.

00:48:43.740 They were born in America.

00:48:44.740 They're not going to go back to their other country.

00:48:45.740 So a week ago, we have AOC, we have the whole squad feuding with Nancy Pelosi, and that's really enjoyable.

00:48:51.740 Also a week ago, you had AOC's approval at, what, 22 percent?

00:48:54.740 You had Ilhan Omar's approval at 9 percent, which is why Nancy Pelosi was jumping on them at that moment, because they look very politically weak.

00:49:01.740 Among white, non-college educated voters, by the way.

00:49:03.740 That's that poll from Axios.

00:49:04.740 Sure.

00:49:05.740 The actual poll has them at about seven or eight points underwater each.

00:49:08.740 That's the poll from YouGov today.

00:49:09.740 So, and AOC in her own district, right?

00:49:12.740 AOC in her own district is down.

00:49:13.740 Right, she's unpopular. 1.00

00:49:14.740 She's very unpopular.

00:49:15.740 So, it looks like Nancy Pelosi, who's a brilliant tactician, is going in and taking her moment. 0.76

00:49:21.740 President Trump goes in, he makes this comment, which is in part factually untrue, and creates this whole firestorm.

00:49:27.740 What is the effect of it today?

00:49:29.740 The House votes to call Trump a racist.

00:49:31.740 They've been calling Trump a racist for three years.

00:49:33.740 AOC and the whole squad is currently today feuding with Nancy Pelosi again.

00:49:38.740 They went on ABC or CBS last night, and Rashida Tlaib called Nancy Pelosi a racist, so we get that exact same thing.

00:49:44.740 You gotta love Tlaib.

00:49:45.740 She has all the impulse control of Donald Trump. 1.00

00:49:47.740 I know, but then the best part of this is...

00:49:48.740 She has more than Omar.

00:49:49.740 Omar has none. 0.98

00:49:50.740 Wow.

00:49:51.740 Why did Pelosi, why did Pelosi go out there and say, yes, he's a racist, she's... 1.00

00:49:55.740 They're all talking about what a racist he is, is so that they don't have to do the thing, which is call for impeachment.

00:50:00.740 They're saying that America's like Nazi Germany, that Trump is running concentration camps, Trump is Hitler, but they're not going to impeach? 0.97

00:50:06.740 That's crazy.

00:50:07.740 Until today, Al Green, the congressman, not the singer, makes moves to impeach the president, which is a fabulous position for conservatives to be in.

00:50:16.740 It's a very difficult position for Nancy Pelosi.

00:50:18.740 She's tried to avoid it now for over two years. 0.99

00:50:20.740 It just seems to me, sure, more people are going to call Trump a racist, and they can point to a stupid tweet, or a stupid part of a tweet that was untrue, but it seems tactically we're in a better position today than we were... 1.00

00:50:31.740 See, I don't think we're... 1.00

00:50:32.740 He does correct himself, and when he said, if you don't like the country, leave, I was kind of thinking, well, yeah, I say that myself.

00:50:38.740 But it's...

00:50:39.740 Okay, so, I think, first of all, we're tactically in a worse position as far as the presidential race.

00:50:45.740 I think the Democrats are burning themselves down because they can't help but burn themselves down.

00:50:49.740 They were doing it last week.

00:50:50.740 They're doing it again this week.

00:50:51.740 It was never going to change.

00:50:52.740 They were going to call for impeachment.

00:50:53.740 Pelosi was going to refuse them.

00:50:54.740 That fight was going to keep going.

00:50:56.740 And Trump inserting himself and making himself the issue.

00:51:00.740 And as you say, has he won one additional voter anywhere in here?

00:51:03.740 Probably.

00:51:04.740 If you just let the Democrats burn themselves down, you're in good shape.

00:51:07.740 Would they have rallied around the squad if not for this? 0.97

00:51:10.740 Yes, because they would have to rally around the squad at some point because Trump was going to attack them at some point, just not in the dumbest possible way. 0.61

00:51:16.740 Can we distinguish between the fact that Donald Trump is very good at picking his opponents and Donald Trump also then tries to club them with a rubber mallet? 0.52

00:51:23.740 Like he like he he is very good at picking his enemy that he's great at.

00:51:28.740 And then half the time his attacks are are done well and they kind of hit correctly.

00:51:35.740 And then half the time he's just like a wild man fighting you.

00:51:38.740 And some.

00:51:39.740 OK, there's the wild guy in your class and you don't want to fight him because he's crazy and you never know he's going to pull a switchblade or is going to pull like a rubber doll.

00:51:46.740 You just don't know what it's going to be. 0.98

00:51:47.740 He's the crazy person.

00:51:48.740 You don't want to fight. 1.00

00:51:49.740 And Donald Trump is that.

00:51:50.740 But sometimes he does pull a rubber doll. 0.99

00:51:51.740 OK, and the fact is that his attack on this group, he could have made an attack on the group that wasn't idiotic and that didn't border on racism. 0.98

00:51:58.740 Or he could have done all those things. 0.98

00:51:59.740 By the time he was finished, he did.

00:52:01.740 Right.

00:52:02.740 OK.

00:52:03.740 By the time he's.

00:52:04.740 By the time he's finished.

00:52:05.740 By the time I pull my hand out of the fire, it's no longer on fire.

00:52:07.740 It was just in the fire.

00:52:08.740 I do not agree.

00:52:10.740 You think no damage was done here?

00:52:11.740 What's that?

00:52:12.740 You think no damage was done here?

00:52:13.740 I'm agreeing with you that there may be 2020 damage there.

00:52:17.740 And I'm not sure.

00:52:18.740 But I'm not sure.

00:52:19.740 Because, look, what is happening is Joe Biden, one of the worst politicians in America. 1.00

00:52:24.740 I mean, the guy is as dumb as an ashtray as somebody once said. 1.00

00:52:28.740 He really is. 1.00

00:52:29.740 But he's polling really well because people are thinking, well, he's kind of normal.

00:52:33.740 He kind of looks normal.

00:52:34.740 And we're tired of all the drama.

00:52:36.740 Trump knows this.

00:52:37.740 He knows that the danger comes from any Democrat who looks sane.

00:52:41.740 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:42.740 And so he made them all look crazy.

00:52:43.740 That press conference the squad gave was one of the greatest moments in America.

00:52:48.740 When they wouldn't condemn Al Qaeda? 0.91

00:52:50.740 You mean that press conference?

00:52:51.740 Yeah.

00:52:52.740 That woman is. 0.70

00:52:53.740 I mean, my joke about her was she was so angry she almost exploded but the TSA took the belt

00:52:57.740 off her.

00:52:58.740 She is as bad. 1.00

00:53:00.740 She is as bad. 0.94

00:53:01.740 I'm going to give a Media Matters breakdown.

00:53:03.740 We love Media Matters.

00:53:04.740 Thank you, Drew.

00:53:06.740 I can't wait.

00:53:07.740 Come and get me.

00:53:08.740 Here's the photo for the article.

00:53:09.740 For Media Matters, she's not actually a suicide bomber, nor is she an Islamic terrorist.

00:53:12.740 She just believes bad things.

00:53:14.740 That's Drew, who's a satirist, making a joke.

00:53:15.740 Ben is going to have to like follow me around.

00:53:17.740 The official explainer.

00:53:19.740 It's like Obama had the anger explainer and I'm like the Drew Iranian comedy explainer

00:53:24.740 now.

00:53:25.740 But again, this goes back to if Trump had an ounce of discipline, he'd be president forever.

00:53:30.740 And there's a way to launch attacks on your political opponents and pick your opponents.

00:53:35.740 I mean, Obama did it regularly.

00:53:36.740 You can do it.

00:53:37.740 And it is good that Trump has the capacity to do it. 0.97

00:53:40.740 But then don't proceed to kick yourself directly in the nuts.

00:53:43.740 And it's like, why do we have to always, every time, watch him stick his hand directly in

00:53:48.740 the fire?

00:53:49.740 And then when he pulls out, you're like, ah, but he pulled his hand out of the fire.

00:53:51.740 How about just don't stick your hand in the fire?

00:53:53.740 But one of the things about him, somebody in the Wall Street Journal, I think his name

00:53:56.740 is Holman Jenkins, he's a really good writer, especially about climate change.

00:54:01.740 But he points out that Trump is the most, one of the most known quantities ever to have

00:54:06.740 been elected president.

00:54:07.740 Yeah.

00:54:08.740 So everything that he is, was elected.

00:54:10.740 Everything that he is, is part of the message that people were sending to, to the government.

00:54:15.740 And so when he does stuff like this, I understand that he is alienating, especially women who

00:54:19.740 don't like the meanness.

00:54:20.740 They don't like the bullying.

00:54:21.740 I don't blame them.

00:54:22.740 I don't like it either, to be honest with you.

00:54:23.740 But like, but he, but we knew who he was.

00:54:26.740 We, we actually hired him to do what he's doing.

00:54:29.740 And I think that he's, you know.

00:54:31.740 So this, but this comes down to, do you think that 2016 is replicable in the absence of Hillary

00:54:36.740 Clinton, and based on the factor that he is the incumbent president?

00:54:39.740 But everybody, these people are worse than Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:54:41.740 In the presence of whom is the question.

00:54:42.740 No, no, but the Hillary Clinton, okay.

00:54:44.740 So Hillary Clinton didn't get the votes for two reasons. 1.00

00:54:47.740 One, she's terrible.

00:54:48.740 You're right. 0.77

00:54:49.740 They're going to be just as terrible.

00:54:50.740 Two is that everyone thought Hillary Clinton was going to win.

00:54:51.740 So a bunch of Democrats didn't show up to vote.

00:54:53.740 That is not going to be replicated.

00:54:54.740 I don't know about that.

00:54:55.740 That is 100% true.

00:54:56.740 There was wild under turnout by Democrats in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

00:55:00.740 Absolutely.

00:55:01.740 It's statistically provable.

00:55:02.740 There was significant under turnout by Democrats compared to both 08 and 012.

00:55:05.740 Well, there's not going to be under turnout by anybody.

00:55:07.740 Well, and this is my point.

00:55:08.740 I'm not sure how much more upside turnout there is on the Trump side.

00:55:11.740 I think that there is upside turnout on the Democratic side.

00:55:14.740 That's what 2018 really looked like.

00:55:15.740 So the question is, can, again, when the focus is on Democrats, we're good.

00:55:20.740 And here's the good news.

00:55:21.740 The Democrats are going to keep, it's a game of hold my beer.

00:55:24.740 So in my view, Donald, the Democrats are like, hold my beer. 1.00

00:55:27.740 We're going to fight with each other over something completely stupid. 1.00

00:55:30.740 And then Trump is like, no, you hold my beer. 1.00

00:55:32.740 I'm going to jump in here for no reason.

00:55:34.740 And then AOC and Pelosi, they're like, you know what?

00:55:37.740 You hold the beer.

00:55:38.740 You hold the beer.

00:55:39.740 Because we're going to go back to fighting each other.

00:55:41.740 And then today, Ilhan Omar was like, you hold every beer that I ever would have but cannot drink.

00:55:46.740 You take all of those beers and you take all those beers and you take them forever.

00:55:50.740 Because in the middle of a fight over whether Ilhan Omar has the country's best interests at heart 0.98

00:55:55.740 and is a bigot and hates Jews. 0.60

00:55:57.740 Today, this afternoon, she launched her first squad initiative of the new world. 0.97

00:56:04.740 And her first squad initiative was, I'm going to the Palestinian territories where I'm going to do a propaganda effort on behalf of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, both terrorist entities.

00:56:13.740 And I'm also going to push forward the boycott, divest, and sanctions movement against Israel, which has been declared anti-Semitic by, wait for it, Nancy Pelosi five weeks ago at AIPAC.

00:56:24.740 Right.

00:56:25.740 So, I mean, we don't have to, this is what I keep saying. 0.96

00:56:27.740 Everybody is like, wow, look how Trump is really able to make them look crazy. 0.95

00:56:30.740 Okay. 0.94

00:56:31.740 And guess what? 0.94

00:56:32.740 I was able to make Frances Farmer look crazy because she was crazy. 1.00

00:56:35.740 Like, I don't know what you want from me. 0.97

00:56:38.740 Sybil was crazy. 0.94

00:56:39.740 I don't have to be like, you know what makes Sybil even crazier? 0.98

00:56:41.740 If I poke her with a stick, boom, now she's got another personality. 0.99

00:56:45.740 See that?

00:56:46.740 But this is why Republicans, this is why Republicans hate Republicans is because they don't do this. 0.90

00:56:53.740 They stand by and they let people do this, they let the Democrats be crazy and they don't stand up and say, you know.

00:56:59.740 No, no, I'm fine with him doing the Donald Sutherland from Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

00:57:04.740 You know, I'm fine with him just pointing at them and saying, you know.

00:57:09.740 What a great image.

00:57:10.740 And him just saying, okay, look at this crazy thing they said.

00:57:14.740 Look at this crazy thing they said.

00:57:15.740 Look how terrible they are.

00:57:16.740 Like, I thought it was hilarious today when Trump was asked about Ilhan Omar.

00:57:20.740 I haven't really heard anything about her except like, was she married to her brother?

00:57:26.740 And you asked me.

00:57:28.740 I don't know.

00:57:29.740 You guys, isn't it your job to find out?

00:57:31.740 People are saying it.

00:57:32.740 And AP immediately, like that, okay, that is like grade A Trump quality Trump.

00:57:36.740 Because then AP comes out and they're like, how dare he say something like this?

00:57:41.740 And everyone's just like, okay, well, here's a Minneapolis Star Tribune column asking the same question.

00:57:44.740 Like, a full investigation.

00:57:46.740 Why should one answer questions about it?

00:57:48.740 Like, that is like, when I say Trump picks the right opponents, but he should actually attack in the way that is most effective. 0.98

00:57:54.740 I mean, by not saying, American Congresswoman, go back to your crap hole country you came from. 1.00

00:57:59.740 Like, that would be the not effective way of doing it. 0.98

00:58:01.740 And Drew has this thing where it's like, ah, but he course corrects.

00:58:04.740 He course corrects.

00:58:05.740 And it's like-

00:58:06.740 He does course correct, yeah.

00:58:07.740 Okay.

00:58:08.740 You know what would be even better?

00:58:09.740 I know.

00:58:10.740 Maybe it's asking too much.

00:58:11.740 But you know what would be even better?

00:58:13.740 Is before you course correct from the Indy 500 pileup on the outside wall, if you just didn't steer directly into it.

00:58:20.740 Because that was the part that was purposeful.

00:58:21.740 He had to be sitting there.

00:58:22.740 Like, you know what would end all of Donald Trump's problems, honestly?

00:58:25.740 If he had like a tweet checker.

00:58:27.740 Okay, all the people around him, they love Trump.

00:58:29.740 That's all they love.

00:58:30.740 I think that's a great idea.

00:58:31.740 If all of his staffers like him, and they know him, and they are interested in letting Trump be Trump, if he had what all normal people have, which is a prefrontal cortex that functions and says, don't do that thing, then he wouldn't need this.

00:58:43.740 But he can let somebody else be the prefrontal cortex.

00:58:45.740 He just writes a tweet, or he makes a video, and then he has somebody view the video and determine whether the video might be problematic.

00:58:52.740 And then, after that happens, he doesn't-

00:58:55.740 90% of them, they'd probably still let go.

00:58:57.740 Almost 100% they would let go, because it's just him mouthing off or whatever.

00:59:00.740 It's only the rare tweet.

00:59:02.740 And the media fulminates so much that, you know, we think that like his kind of normal, weird tweets are really, those aren't bad tweets.

00:59:09.740 And I think everyone has sort of accepted him being kind of weird and crazy on Twitter. 0.96

00:59:13.740 Trump is Trump. 0.97

00:59:14.740 I've never seen a skinny person drink a Diet Coke.

00:59:15.740 I mean, that's just a true tweet that he sent out.

00:59:17.740 And you're right, we've all priced this in, but every so often he does something, you're like, oh God, was that, am I sure that was priced in quite enough yet?

00:59:26.740 No, of course, but that's what makes him Trump, that's what makes him willing to take this wave after wave.

00:59:33.740 I mean, he has turned the accusation of racism into a silence.

00:59:38.740 Now, when they say the word racism, it's like nothing, ashes come out, because we've heard it so often.

00:59:44.740 And to watch the news guys-

00:59:45.740 Well, okay, so there's another way of reading that, and this is a much more cynical way of reading that, and they're the ones who made racism a non-factor.

00:59:50.740 They did, they did. 0.98

00:59:51.740 And Donald Trump doesn't give a crap if they call him a racist, and that's the only difference between him and everybody else. 0.98

00:59:54.740 Which makes him great. 0.98

00:59:55.740 Well, no, in one sense it makes him great.

00:59:57.740 In one sense it means that he doesn't care enough about issues he should care about.

00:59:59.740 What I mean by that is he does cross lines, like he did this Sunday, that are inappropriate to cross.

01:00:04.740 The same person who doesn't care about accusations of racism enough to actually police himself should not be the person who is standing up to accusations of racism.

01:00:12.740 Yeah, but this is another point by our pal Bill Whittle.

01:00:14.740 He says the accusation of racism only bothers people who aren't racist.

01:00:17.740 You know, the only people who get upset are guys like us who sit there and go like, no.

01:00:22.740 I don't think you want to apply that logic to the president.

01:00:25.740 No, what I'm saying about him is that he actually, look, he has done great things for people of color in this country.

01:00:31.740 I understand.

01:00:32.740 This is how you know, I mean, this is the known entity argument.

01:00:34.740 Yeah, he succeeded at basically most of what he's done in life, except being a racist.

01:00:39.740 Right. 0.90

01:00:40.740 If he's as bad a racist as they say he is.

01:00:41.740 No, it's not that anybody's saying he's that bad a racist, but elections are about perception.

01:00:45.740 Elections are about perception.

01:00:46.740 And the perception of him, I mean, you can look at the polling numbers.

01:00:49.740 So Republicans are not reacting anymore to anything Trump says.

01:00:52.740 It's all priced in for Republicans at this point, right?

01:00:54.740 The polling numbers show that everybody on the Republican side already has an opinion about the guy.

01:00:58.740 And I did a whole analysis today of the polls about this tweet because 57% of Republicans said they agreed with the tweet.

01:01:05.740 And something like two thirds of independents said that they hated the tweet.

01:01:10.740 And overall, 59% of Americans said that they didn't like the tweet at all.

01:01:13.740 And three quarters of women and all and all of this stuff. 1.00

01:01:16.740 And people were immediately saying, well, this is because Republicans are racist.

01:01:19.740 And what I said is, no, what this is, is Republicans answering the question they hear when the media ask the question.

01:01:23.740 Right. Republicans don't hear is the tweet racist when the media ask this question.

01:01:27.740 What they hear is, first, do we agree with your generalized definition of racism media?

01:01:31.740 And the answer is, no, we don't.

01:01:32.740 Exactly.

01:01:33.740 Because if we say, sure, the tweet's racist.

01:01:35.740 Your next move is, well, aren't the tax cuts also a little racist?

01:01:38.740 Isn't net neutrality racist?

01:01:39.740 Wasn't Mitt Romney a racist?

01:01:40.740 Right.

01:01:41.740 So that's a question we hear.

01:01:42.740 We also hear the media saying, we are the impartial arbiters of what is racist and what is not.

01:01:47.740 What say you?

01:01:48.740 And we go, well, hold up just a second.

01:01:50.740 Iona Presley said over the weekend that black people aren't black if they disagree with her.

01:01:53.740 So I'm going to go with no on you're the impartial.

01:01:55.740 And then there's the third question that we hear, which is, you're not really asking if Trump's tweet was racist.

01:02:00.740 You're asking if Trump himself is a racist.

01:02:02.740 This is the point. 0.99

01:02:03.740 And that we're not willing to say, meaning there are people who say things off the cuff that suck. 0.99

01:02:07.740 There are people who say things that are uncomfortable because they're ignorant or they say something dumb. 0.99

01:02:12.740 And does that mean that Trump in his heart hates black people and thinks they're inferior? 0.99

01:02:16.740 No, we're not willing to go there.

01:02:17.740 And then finally, the fourth question, which I think is the biggest one, and this is what you're getting from Republicans,

01:02:20.740 is when you say, is the tweet racist?

01:02:23.740 What most Republicans hear is, you're saying that I'm racist.

01:02:26.740 Meaning if I, if.

01:02:27.740 And they are.

01:02:28.740 Right.

01:02:29.740 That's correct.

01:02:30.740 Because the next move they make from all three of the prior questions is, if you disagree with us, then you are.

01:02:34.740 Right, right, right.

01:02:35.740 Meaning if you say Trump is not a racist, it's because you are a racist. 0.98

01:02:38.740 If you say that you disagree with our definition of racism, it's because you're a racist. 0.98

01:02:42.740 And if you say that we are not impartial in our judgment of racism, then you are a racist.

01:02:47.740 And so Republicans, most of them, are simply cutting off the debate.

01:02:50.740 Right.

01:02:51.740 They're just saying, okay, we don't want to have any of the secondary conversations we know are coming.

01:02:54.740 So, you know what, you ask us the question, we basically say, go after yourself.

01:02:57.740 And no, I don't think the tweet is racist.

01:02:59.740 But I still, I still do not think you're taking into account how much Trump has changed the game.

01:03:03.740 And he has done what he was sent to do, which is change the dialogue.

01:03:06.740 That he, look, we agree on a lot of this.

01:03:08.740 We agree that his first tweet was a mistake.

01:03:10.740 And he, I think he course corrected.

01:03:12.740 And I, that doesn't mean that other tweet goes away.

01:03:15.740 But it does mean he understood that he made a mistake.

01:03:17.740 I think we all even agree that he course corrected.

01:03:19.740 Yeah.

01:03:20.740 Okay.

01:03:21.740 And we agree that there's a danger here that he won't expand his base, which I think is

01:03:24.740 a genuine danger and really worries me because the opposition is out of control crazy. 0.97

01:03:28.740 I mean, they are now guano crazy. 0.92

01:03:30.740 They have gone beyond anything I've ever seen Democrats do.

01:03:35.740 What I don't think you are taking into account is Trump has literally changed the way people react

01:03:41.740 to him because he is Trump.

01:03:43.740 What you're saying is he was incautious and belligerent.

01:03:46.740 He was Donald Trump.

01:03:47.740 He was Donald Trump.

01:03:48.740 Yeah.

01:03:49.740 And now-

01:03:50.740 I'm not just saying he was incautious.

01:03:51.740 Now the question that voters are going to be asked is, do I want Donald Trump, this

01:03:54.740 guy who got elected and who is a loose cannon, basically is the picture next to loose cannon

01:03:59.740 in the dictionary, or do I want these people who hate this country?

01:04:03.740 They hate this country.

01:04:04.740 I wish that it- I thought it were as simple as that, but I think that freshness in the

01:04:08.740 mind matters.

01:04:09.740 Meaning that there are things about all of us that bug each other, right?

01:04:12.740 What you do-

01:04:13.740 No, wait a minute.

01:04:14.740 Like Noel's breathing, right?

01:04:15.740 We're very lovely.

01:04:16.740 Okay, okay.

01:04:17.740 I could see the one.

01:04:18.740 The fact that we pay him actual money, right?

01:04:20.740 There are a bunch of- but one of the things that we try to do is avoid doing the things

01:04:25.740 that bug each other.

01:04:26.740 If you're in a marriage, right, you try to avoid the things that bug your spouse.

01:04:29.740 If every day you're like, you knew me when you married me, I'm farting as much as I please 0.61

01:04:33.740 right at the dinner table, and you're just going to deal with it.

01:04:36.740 You're making the marriage more difficult.

01:04:37.740 Voting is about making it easier for people to vote for you, not harder for people to vote

01:04:41.740 for you.

01:04:42.740 It is not merely, do they know you?

01:04:43.740 Yes, everybody knows Donald Trump. 0.98

01:04:44.740 And then, when you don't think about all the dumb things that he's doing, you're like, 0.93

01:04:47.740 wow, the economy's great, and he's actually doing some pretty good things. 0.50

01:04:51.740 And then every so often, he jet packs in, right, he parachutes in from the sky, like the

01:04:56.740 little angel flyover, and all of a sudden, it's like, and now I'm going to say something 0.99

01:05:00.740 stupid. 0.98

01:05:01.740 And you're like, oh, God, like, but now you've made it harder for me today. 1.00

01:05:05.740 Because people are emotional creatures.

01:05:06.740 Yeah.

01:05:07.740 And it's not all priced in on the day.

01:05:09.740 It's priced in in general, right, which is why the polls are remarkably stable for him.

01:05:12.740 He's been at 41%, 42% public approval since literally that he was elected.

01:05:15.740 He has not moved from a 4% ban his entire-

01:05:18.740 Yeah, it's true.

01:05:19.740 The entirety, right?

01:05:20.740 That's all priced in.

01:05:21.740 And it's why there are certain things that won't have any impact on him at all.

01:05:24.740 Meaning, like, NBC News breaks this dumb tape of him dancing in 1992, and standing next

01:05:29.740 to Jeffrey Epstein and talking about raiding women. 0.88

01:05:31.740 Right.

01:05:32.740 I did a whole 10-minute segment on my show today about, like, wait, you're telling me

01:05:35.740 that the guy-

01:05:36.740 A billionaire playbook?

01:05:37.740 Yeah.

01:05:38.740 Nailed his second wife when he was married to his first, and then nailed his third wife 0.81

01:05:40.740 when he was married to his second, and bragged publicly on tape about grabbing women 0.98

01:05:45.740 by the genitals, and they would let you do it, and had an affair with Stormy Daniels 0.80

01:05:49.740 and Kerry McDoodle, and every other person you can imagine, and was on the cover of Playboy 0.99

01:05:54.740 magazine, and ran a competition with swimsuits so he could rape women, was making jokes about 0.88

01:06:00.740 rating women, and also was dancing with women that he hired to come to him who were good-looking, 0.96

01:06:06.740 and then he was grabbing them exactly the way that he said, and they were smiling because

01:06:10.740 they were happy.

01:06:11.740 Yeah.

01:06:12.740 Like, that's the-

01:06:13.740 But it's not just figured in.

01:06:14.740 It's part of the reason he was elected.

01:06:15.740 Right.

01:06:16.740 And you bring up the point of the-

01:06:17.740 Right.

01:06:18.740 That's fine.

01:06:19.740 I don't really care.

01:06:20.740 I mean, like, I think maybe, maybe not.

01:06:21.740 Like, if he hadn't done all those things, would he-

01:06:23.740 If he were similarly famous, but he had not made a habit of marrying-

01:06:26.740 I don't think so.

01:06:27.740 I think they elected him to be this guy.

01:06:30.740 They did.

01:06:31.740 Now you're making a not great argument about conservative voters, which is we elected-

01:06:34.740 No, no, no.

01:06:35.740 Because he's a bad man.

01:06:36.740 Because of his worst-

01:06:37.740 Right.

01:06:38.740 And I don't think that's true.

01:06:39.740 No.

01:06:40.740 I think what conservative intellectuals did is they let the culture become so poisonous

01:06:44.740 that only a guy like this could break the chains.

01:06:47.740 They let the basic rules of politeness become the rules of leftism. 0.90

01:06:52.740 And so we needed an impolite, boorish guy to break those chains.

01:06:55.740 I don't disagree with that.

01:06:56.740 And you bring up the steadiness of his approval ratings, which I think is obviously true.

01:07:02.740 It's not even a Trump problem, because over the years the country has become more polarized.

01:07:07.740 We've become more set in our politics.

01:07:09.740 And Trump is a polarizing figure.

01:07:11.740 How many votes did he lose?

01:07:12.740 Not how many people did he upset.

01:07:14.740 Not how many of his voters did he make a little uneasy about voting for him.

01:07:17.740 How many votes next November did he lose because of this tweet, which he then changed

01:07:21.740 a couple days later?

01:07:22.740 I think very few.

01:07:23.740 None.

01:07:24.740 Because the question for a known entity like Donald Trump is-

01:07:26.740 Look, racial bigotry bothers all of us, and I think it bothers the vast, vast majority

01:07:31.740 of this country.

01:07:32.740 The question is, is Donald Trump really a racial bigot?

01:07:34.740 Is Donald Trump going to use his position to discriminate against racial minorities?

01:07:38.740 Does he harbor ill will toward racial minorities?

01:07:41.740 He married his daughter off to a Jew. 0.69

01:07:43.740 He has two towns in Israel, a town and a train station in Israel named after him.

01:07:47.740 He has the biggest pop star in the world, a black man, say, I love this guy in the Oval Office. 0.68

01:07:52.740 The same guy who said, George W. Bush doesn't care about black people.

01:07:55.740 The last very nice, very genteel Republican president.

01:07:59.740 I just don't think, as ugly as we think that that line is, as ugly as the line is, what

01:08:05.740 effect is that actually going to have a whole year from now?

01:08:07.740 Let me ask you this, though, because I feel like I'm always caught between you two guys.

01:08:12.740 Is there a problem with his not expanding the base?

01:08:14.740 Is there a problem with these tweets that nobody who didn't vote for him is going to vote for him?

01:08:19.740 I don't think that Donald Trump is one of those Republicans like Tom Keen, you know, in New Jersey, who says,

01:08:24.740 politics is the art of inclusion.

01:08:26.740 I don't think he's one of these nice Republicans, these big tent guys.

01:08:29.740 He's not.

01:08:30.740 President Trump doesn't win by making himself more likable.

01:08:33.740 He wins by making the other guy unlikable. 0.71

01:08:35.740 He's a pugilist. 0.97

01:08:36.740 He punches.

01:08:37.740 He's a tough dude.

01:08:38.740 So in terms of numbers, you think that he is going to suppress enough Democrats to make it unlikely that he needs more?

01:08:43.740 I think he's going to push them and encourage them to rally around the worst elements of their party

01:08:48.740 and the worst elements of their base.

01:08:50.740 They already have an absolutely abysmal field in 2020.

01:08:53.740 And he's making it worse for them by making them rally around the squad.

01:08:57.740 It is the other theory.

01:08:58.740 You've got to admit that since we don't know what's going to happen, it is the other idea.

01:09:03.740 Listen, and again, he picks the right opponents.

01:09:05.740 I mean, that's the whole conversation.

01:09:07.740 It's getting easy at this point.

01:09:09.740 I have one piece of counter data, and that is the election of 2018.

01:09:12.740 In 2018, during the Kavanaugh hearings, the Democrats set themselves on fire.

01:09:16.740 They took a vat of gasoline, they jumped in it, and then they lit a match like that scene from Zoolander.

01:09:21.740 Yep.

01:09:22.740 And the poll numbers went like this, right?

01:09:25.740 Democrats were up in the generic poll 10 points, and suddenly, within two weeks, the entire gap was gone.

01:09:30.740 Republicans and Democrats were right together.

01:09:32.740 And then Donald Trump said, you know what?

01:09:34.740 I need to rev up my base, and I need to suppress the other guy's base.

01:09:37.740 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to talk about immigration because that's what my base loves.

01:09:40.740 They love immigration.

01:09:41.740 So we're going to talk about immigration crisis.

01:09:43.740 And for three weeks, he took Kavanaugh off the front pages, and he talked about immigration crisis, and he got shellacked.

01:09:49.740 He got shellacked.

01:09:50.740 Yeah.

01:09:51.740 So there's one problem with-

01:09:52.740 He has an instinct, but he ain't always right.

01:09:54.740 No, I agree with you there.

01:09:55.740 And one of the dangers in revving up your base is that you also rev up the other guy's base.

01:09:59.740 And the whole point of revving up your base is that you don't want to rev up the other guy's base.

01:10:05.740 The worst thing that can happen to Trump.

01:10:06.740 Listen, every Republican is going to show up.

01:10:09.740 Like, in 2016, every Republican in the world showed up to vote against Hillary Clinton because Hillary Clinton was, as we all know, demon spawn over the course of 20 years.

01:10:17.740 Right?

01:10:18.740 Everybody knew this.

01:10:19.740 For two decades, she'd been the most hated woman in American politics. 1.00

01:10:21.740 Coming up in 2020, you're not going to have to make the case to Republicans that whoever the Democrats nominated, who, by the way, will not be Joe Biden because Joe Biden still has a shred of sanity left in him.

01:10:30.740 And as some of us have been saying from day one, his first day was going to be his best day.

01:10:33.740 Right.

01:10:34.740 He's not going to be the nominee.

01:10:35.740 He's the one who could most easily contest Donald Trump.

01:10:38.740 Yes.

01:10:39.740 Maybe not win, but he could certainly do the most damage.

01:10:42.740 His own party won't vote for him.

01:10:43.740 Right.

01:10:44.740 Exactly.

01:10:45.740 And so they'll replace him with Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren.

01:10:47.740 You're not going to have a problem getting Republicans out to the polls to vote against the media and vote against the left and vote against AOC and vote against Tlaib and vote against all these people.

01:10:56.740 What you are going to have a problem with is if he doesn't be quiet, every Democrat in the world is going to, on a daily basis, feel the moral compulsion to kick him out of office.

01:11:07.740 And they're not going to stay home.

01:11:09.740 You need them to stay home.

01:11:10.740 Because he isn't doing the Tom Kane thing.

01:11:12.740 He hasn't won over anything.

01:11:13.740 Between 2000 and 2004, George W. Bush picked up 11 million additional votes.

01:11:17.740 Aside from me, can you name like five people and any of them in the middle of the country, in the districts that matter, that he has picked up?

01:11:24.740 Can you name it to the altitude of 11 million votes?

01:11:26.740 No, this is the thing I fear.

01:11:27.740 This is the thing I fear.

01:11:28.740 The funny thing for me is that the president's kind of grown on me.

01:11:32.740 He does grow on you.

01:11:34.740 I didn't vote for the guy.

01:11:35.740 I didn't like him.

01:11:36.740 There's a lot about him.

01:11:37.740 A lot about him I still don't like.

01:11:39.740 I get a big kick out of him.

01:11:40.740 I mean, there's many places where he's done a really good job.

01:11:43.740 I'm very likely that I will vote for him this go around.

01:11:46.740 I think all of us will.

01:11:47.740 Yeah.

01:11:48.740 But to Ben's point, he doesn't always make it easy.

01:11:50.740 He does not make it easy.

01:11:52.740 Amen.

01:11:53.740 Even when you want to support the guy, he doesn't make it easy.

01:11:55.740 One thing that makes this show different than all the other shows, except for every one of your shows on Thursdays,

01:12:00.740 is that it's mailbag all the time on backstage.

01:12:02.740 And we're going to go to our first question.

01:12:05.740 And this one is from our newest Daily Wire subscriber.

01:12:08.740 Hey guys, sorry for not fixing my hair.

01:12:12.740 We've been a little busy around here.

01:12:14.740 Anyway, our newest Daily Wire subscriber is number one.

01:12:17.740 Very excited for her Love to Cheers bottle.

01:12:20.740 I think it's being custom made, so it'll probably take more than six to eight weeks to get here.

01:12:24.740 Oh well.

01:12:25.740 And also, she wanted to know, who do y'all think will be the leaders of the DNC and the RNC?

01:12:30.740 You know, the parties, will there be new parties?

01:12:32.740 Will there still be a two-party system?

01:12:34.740 By the time she can vote in 2038.

01:12:38.740 Will there be a new party by the time she can vote? 0.72

01:12:42.740 Are you really focused on the question?

01:12:44.740 I'm focused on that beautiful baby.

01:12:46.740 What a question for ourselves that is.

01:12:48.740 Congratulations, Elisha.

01:12:50.740 I'm so glad that that baby was born and not terminated early like Leanna Wynn over here.

01:12:54.740 President of Planned Parenthood.

01:12:56.740 She didn't make it to full term, only eight months in.

01:12:59.740 Aww.

01:13:00.740 They forced the head out and then they terminated.

01:13:02.740 I think Elisha actually submitted that question so we would still have to pay her talent fee for this episode. 0.92

01:13:10.740 The question though, the question, will there still be a two-party system in 2038?

01:13:14.740 You know, I think there is a possibility that we are going to lose one of the major parties.

01:13:19.740 I actually do.

01:13:20.740 It's something that almost never happens, but then it does, right?

01:13:23.740 It does happen.

01:13:24.740 I think, you know, it is possible that we are watching the end of the Democrat party.

01:13:30.740 And I think that this is, I mean, I'm watching how much, you know, somebody asked this.

01:13:36.740 I asked it on my show, was why would you have somebody, oh, and Tucker Carson also said it.

01:13:41.740 Why would you have people who hate this country govern the country?

01:13:44.740 I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

01:13:46.740 If there were one reporter still left in the country, that's the question I would ask.

01:13:50.740 If you think we're running concentration camps, if you think we're Nazis, if you think the Betsy Ross flag is, you know, a sign of white supremacy, if you think our history is just, why would we let you run the place?

01:14:02.740 You know, I mean, why would we do that?

01:14:03.740 It would be, it's insane.

01:14:04.740 It's like marrying somebody who hates you.

01:14:06.740 People do do that, but it's a very small number of people.

01:14:09.740 Ultimately, you want somebody who loves the country to run the country.

01:14:12.740 And I think the Democrats may be finished.

01:14:14.740 Let me offer a counter.

01:14:15.740 Yeah.

01:14:16.740 I'm not saying this is what I believe, but it's just a counter thought.

01:14:19.740 We could also be watching the end of the Republican Party.

01:14:22.740 The Republican Party has...

01:14:23.740 I think that's also true, by the way.

01:14:25.740 It's completely remade itself ideologically over the last 24 months.

01:14:30.740 I mean, as rapid a change as has happened in my lifetime in terms of a shift in the ideological center of a party.

01:14:38.740 Possible that it's only a reflection of Trump, that we're kind of conforming ourselves to the guy who is our leader.

01:14:43.740 That's definitely a possibility.

01:14:44.740 Possibility that it's a new streak that's sort of moving through the right and it's just going to get sort of embraced into the...

01:14:51.740 It can't stay what it is right now, like this party is too narrow.

01:14:55.740 It's possible that this just becomes a part of the sort of the ingredients of the Republican Party over time.

01:15:02.740 Also possible that right now we don't see that the division is fatal in our party because we're ascendant in terms of the power of the president and the regulations in the court.

01:15:13.740 But that the second that the presidency changes, we'll actually be left sort of where they are right now.

01:15:18.740 Do you see that as a possibility?

01:15:19.740 I do see it as a possibility.

01:15:21.740 But one thing I think, you know, it's becoming the party of Trump.

01:15:25.740 And I don't think there's any way around that.

01:15:26.740 I don't think there was ever any way around that.

01:15:28.740 Certain things, I have to put this exactly right because I don't want like five guys to have to pull Shapiro off me.

01:15:33.740 But certain things that Trump is doing are incredibly smart.

01:15:38.740 And I don't know how he got there, but he has gotten there.

01:15:41.740 And one of them is his awareness that the post-war global order is over and has been over for about 10 years.

01:15:50.740 And I think that I'm not sure.

01:15:52.740 What does that mean?

01:15:53.740 I think that the idea that we are moving unstoppably into a global economy, into a global worldview, I think that that idea has hit a snag in the sense that a lot of people were being hurt by that and started to get upset about it.

01:16:11.740 And a lot of people like their countries.

01:16:13.740 I mean, this is one of the things.

01:16:14.740 We like our neighborhoods.

01:16:15.740 When you move a million immigrants into a country that has 16 million people, you have done serious damage to that country, to the nature of that country. 1.00

01:16:25.740 And suddenly people are saying, well, wait a minute.

01:16:27.740 We kind of liked our neighbor being the son of the guy who lived there before.

01:16:31.740 That's not racist.

01:16:32.740 That's not anything.

01:16:33.740 But nationalist is saying, I like my country.

01:16:35.740 Right.

01:16:36.740 And I think that he has put the brakes on that.

01:16:40.740 Whether he has a philosophy to replace it, there you and I probably agree.

01:16:44.740 I'm not so sure he does.

01:16:45.740 Again, I don't actually disagree with your take on transnational governance.

01:16:50.740 I disagree that the replacement for the global economy is going to be nations.

01:16:55.740 I think the return to mercantilism is not a winning strategy for anybody involved because mercantilism kind of sucked.

01:17:00.740 But his theory is that the country is like a company that competes with other countries.

01:17:05.740 Yes, but our country is a country that competes with other countries for power.

01:17:09.740 But that doesn't mean that we-

01:17:10.740 But also for money. 0.93

01:17:11.740 Well, that's just an ignorant view of economics. 0.71

01:17:13.740 I mean, if the idea is- 0.90

01:17:14.740 We don't compete with people for money.

01:17:15.740 What's that?

01:17:16.740 We don't compete with people for money.

01:17:17.740 That's not how trade works.

01:17:18.740 That's not how economics works.

01:17:19.740 You and I do not compete for the same dollar.

01:17:22.740 We produce more dollars.

01:17:23.740 This is how capitalism functions.

01:17:24.740 This is how free markets work.

01:17:25.740 Of course, that's true.

01:17:26.740 But we do compete for what people do.

01:17:28.740 I mean, we cannot abandon-

01:17:30.740 If you want to compete for t-shirt jobs and bring them back from Vietnam, go for it, man. 1.00

01:17:33.740 I mean, that's all you.

01:17:35.740 But you can't-

01:17:36.740 You know, look.

01:17:37.740 There is a moment.

01:17:38.740 There is a moment when the Luddites are burning down the machines. 0.96

01:17:41.740 When the Luddites have a point.

01:17:43.740 Okay?

01:17:44.740 And we all know that 100 years later, all those machines worked out pretty well.

01:17:47.740 What is their point?

01:17:48.740 The point is that those machines destroyed their families, destroyed their home industries,

01:17:52.740 destroyed their lifestyles.

01:17:54.740 I mean, of course they had a point. 0.99

01:17:55.740 It's ridiculous. 0.89

01:17:56.740 And nobody denies that that is true. 0.96

01:17:58.740 Right.

01:17:59.740 It is also true that they were wrong.

01:18:00.740 And what I mean by that is that in the broad span, if they think beyond their own job,

01:18:05.740 they recognize that an economy run by Wheelwright is not an economy that is going to either

01:18:10.740 be competitive on the world market or an economy where they have jobs or their kids have jobs.

01:18:13.740 But see, this is where I do not-

01:18:15.740 This is just not how economics works.

01:18:16.740 I don't understand.

01:18:17.740 I know it's not how economics work, but it's how life works.

01:18:20.740 You take away people's families.

01:18:21.740 You take away their communities.

01:18:22.740 You destroy their jobs.

01:18:24.740 You have 3.7% unemployment.

01:18:25.740 More people working-

01:18:26.740 Now!

01:18:27.740 Because Trump has brought a lot of that stuff back.

01:18:29.740 Okay, there was 5% unemployment when Obama was president.

01:18:31.740 Let's not pretend that-

01:18:32.740 No, no, no, no, no.

01:18:33.740 Yes, yes, yes.

01:18:34.740 At the end of his presidency, it was 5% unemployment.

01:18:36.740 What are you talking about?

01:18:37.740 The Obama economy was a fake.

01:18:38.740 The Obama economy was a fake.

01:18:40.740 I'm using the same unemployment statistic that you are currently quoting.

01:18:43.740 You can't say that it was fake when it was Obama, but it's not fake when it's Trump.

01:18:46.740 That's not how this works.

01:18:47.740 Look, you travel around the country, you see a help wanted sign in every store.

01:18:51.740 During Obama, I used to walk down streets that were boarded up, and you do not see that

01:18:55.740 anymore, and that's the Trump economy.

01:18:57.740 I'm not saying that the Trump economy is not better than the Obama economy.

01:19:00.740 The point that I'm making is that the Trump economic policy has not been based, in reality,

01:19:05.740 on the notion that we are going to steal jobs back from the countries that took those jobs.

01:19:09.740 It is, to some degree, the fact that he's deregulated the energy industry.

01:19:13.740 I mean, that's-

01:19:14.740 Okay, deregulation is not competition with other countries.

01:19:16.740 Of course it is.

01:19:17.740 Of course it is.

01:19:18.740 No, it is not competition with other countries, because you would deregulate whether or not

01:19:20.740 they regulate. 0.91

01:19:21.740 That's silly. 0.64

01:19:22.740 You're deregulating for your own good. 0.86

01:19:23.740 You're not deregulating because you're taking jobs away from other countries.

01:19:25.740 But if you are-

01:19:26.740 I mean, that's one of the reasons conservatives want people to come into the country illegally, 0.96

01:19:31.740 so that they don't have to obey the regulation.

01:19:33.740 I'll challenge what Ben just said only slightly, because I think you actually agree about this.

01:19:38.740 Deregulation makes us more competitive for industry.

01:19:42.740 That's what I'm saying.

01:19:43.740 Being more competitive for industry is something all four of us support.

01:19:46.740 Right.

01:19:47.740 Bribing industry to work here or penalizing industry to work somewhere else is not the

01:19:52.740 same as making this-

01:19:54.740 Deregulation-

01:19:55.740 Deregulation-

01:19:56.740 No, hold on.

01:19:57.740 What I'm saying is that deregulation is not looking at the economy as a zero-sum game.

01:20:02.740 And the philosophy of the Luddites is that the economy is a zero-sum game.

01:20:05.740 No, no, no.

01:20:06.740 That a job that is lost in one industry is lost to somebody else.

01:20:08.740 No, wait.

01:20:09.740 You're confusing two points.

01:20:10.740 What you just said, you said it makes us more competitive, which means we're in competition

01:20:13.740 with somebody else, which is what I started out by saying.

01:20:15.740 My point about the Luddites is the human point that the machines did bad things to the people

01:20:22.740 who were alive at that time.

01:20:23.740 Right.

01:20:24.740 And you can't make an argument and say, well, don't care about your own interests.

01:20:27.740 That's right.

01:20:28.740 Don't care about your own family.

01:20:29.740 Don't care about your community. 1.00

01:20:30.740 No, but I can say that you are a damn liar over the course of any span of time if you 0.99

01:20:34.740 believe that wrecking the machines is going to save your job or save your economy. 0.99

01:20:37.740 Also, nobody's wrecking the machines.

01:20:39.740 But that is the promise.

01:20:40.740 That's why this is going to all fall down.

01:20:42.740 That's why if you think that the post-war consensus about free trade and property rights,

01:20:47.740 which has brought nearly all of the globe out of poverty-

01:20:49.740 No, no, no.

01:20:50.740 That's not what I'm arguing about.

01:20:51.740 Well, this is why I was distinguishing before because you said two things in one sentence,

01:20:54.740 and I'm agreeing with one and disagreeing with the other.

01:20:56.740 You said global economics versus global governance.

01:21:00.740 And I'm saying I agree with you on global governance.

01:21:01.740 On a cultural level, you cannot have the idea that all borders are permeable and that all

01:21:05.740 people are widgets and all of that.

01:21:07.740 It's the difference between-

01:21:09.740 I've always objected to-

01:21:10.740 There are two reasons of global economics.

01:21:12.740 It's the difference of saying we are going to become more competitive even on jobs of

01:21:17.740 a lower level.

01:21:18.740 I mean, we are going to become more competitive in every way.

01:21:20.740 It's the difference between saying we are an entity that is competing with other entities

01:21:24.740 and saying we are all one big economy.

01:21:26.740 Those are two different ways of looking at the same idea of global economy.

01:21:30.740 I know that's actually an accurate description of the economy.

01:21:33.740 This is why the parties are not going away.

01:21:36.740 This is why I don't think the Republican Party is collapsing.

01:21:38.740 I don't think the Democratic Party is collapsing.

01:21:40.740 I think they are both adjusting to deal with changing political circumstances because it's

01:21:44.740 not 1945.

01:21:45.740 It's not 1985.

01:21:46.740 It's not even 2005.

01:21:48.740 We're in a new political circumstance at the moment.

01:21:50.740 I don't think that they are fundamentally changing everything they've always believed.

01:21:53.740 I think the Democrat Party has always been terrible and it remains terrible.

01:21:56.740 I think the Republican Party has embraced a global trade, free trade economics for the

01:22:03.740 past 40 years or so.

01:22:05.740 It's also the case that the GOP was founded on tariffs.

01:22:07.740 Abraham Lincoln said, give me a tariff, I'll give you the greatest nation on earth.

01:22:11.740 That's not an argument for tariffs.

01:22:12.740 We're not even instituting a lot of tariffs.

01:22:13.740 Where did he get his iPhone?

01:22:15.740 Where did he get his iPhone?

01:22:16.740 My point is those two parties are actually adapting to market demands among voters and

01:22:24.740 what would the third party be?

01:22:25.740 We're always told by people, especially on the internet, especially guys who spend a lot

01:22:29.740 of time thinking about politics, they say, you know, and I hear this, I've talked to

01:22:33.740 billionaires who've told me, you know, Michael, if the GOP would just drop those social issues,

01:22:38.740 a third party that was economically really competitive and socially totally liberal,

01:22:43.740 you'd win every vote.

01:22:44.740 You know how many votes you would win?

01:22:45.740 They've done polls on this.

01:22:46.740 Yes.

01:22:47.740 Four percent of votes.

01:22:48.740 Nobody wants that.

01:22:49.740 I think actually, right now, for all of our chaos, the two parties are very stable.

01:22:53.740 The real problem with the Luddites, and then we're going to take another question.

01:22:56.740 The real problem with the Luddites isn't that they're right that they're hurting.

01:22:59.740 It's that they're wrong about what should be done about their suffering.

01:23:03.740 Of course.

01:23:04.740 Of course they are.

01:23:05.740 The ultimate problem from a governmental point of view is, who gets to decide whose

01:23:09.740 interests to advance above the interests of someone else?

01:23:12.740 Who gets to say that the guy who has the job as a truck driver is more important than

01:23:17.740 the guy who is building the self-driving car?

01:23:20.740 And what the free market posits is, no one gets to make that decision.

01:23:24.740 The collective economic decision-making of everyone gets to make that decision.

01:23:29.740 Yes, but the thing is that in that moment, I don't think there's going to be self-driving

01:23:36.740 cars.

01:23:37.740 I think they're going to be automatic cars, because we don't have self-driving planes.

01:23:40.740 I mean, a plane, basically, at this point, could take off and land itself, but you're

01:23:43.740 not going to get in a plane with that.

01:23:44.740 Not with that Boeing, but all the other planes can do that.

01:23:47.740 That's true.

01:23:48.740 You're not going to get in a, what is it, a 40-ton truck.

01:23:50.740 A 40-ton truck is just as dangerous as a plane.

01:23:52.740 They're not going to be 40-ton trucks.

01:23:54.740 Okay, but Germans are just taking an example. 0.58

01:23:55.740 That's alighting the example.

01:23:56.740 No, no, no.

01:23:57.740 But my point is that the mistake that the Luddites make, the mistake that the Luddites make is

01:24:03.740 that the jobs are going to go away when, in fact, technology actually increases employment.

01:24:09.740 It actually does over time.

01:24:10.740 Correct.

01:24:11.740 Correct.

01:24:12.740 The mistake, I feel, that conservatives make when they side with the guys who own the

01:24:16.740 factories is you can't have a generation wiped out and maintain cultural stability. 0.66

01:24:23.740 You can't have people, their lives being destroyed.

01:24:26.740 You know, Karl Marx was exactly wrong.

01:24:28.740 He said religion is the opiate of the people.

01:24:30.740 It turns out that opium is the religion of the people. 0.77

01:24:33.740 People are going to kill themselves if you take their lives away.

01:24:38.740 I can't remember who it was who said if you take away a person's way of life, you've

01:24:42.740 got to replace it with something of value.

01:24:43.740 There's nothing wrong in starting to think about, and it doesn't have to be more government,

01:24:47.740 it doesn't have to be more government action.

01:24:48.740 There's nothing wrong with starting to think about what do we replace people's lives with?

01:24:52.740 What do we go into those towns where the jobs disappear and say, okay, well, what is it

01:24:57.740 going to look like?

01:24:58.740 I think that there is a, I think this has to do with education myself.

01:25:01.740 I think our educational system stinks.

01:25:04.740 I think it should be destroyed. 0.90

01:25:05.740 Yeah.

01:25:06.740 I think it should be, I'm a Leninist when it comes to-

01:25:07.740 Right.

01:25:08.740 Rip it out by the roof.

01:25:09.740 Rip it out, yeah.

01:25:10.740 Let it go as bad as it can get so it will fall apart.

01:25:12.740 But I think we need a more rapid response to the way jobs change.

01:25:17.740 Because we're conservatives.

01:25:18.740 We believe in the mediating institutions.

01:25:21.740 We believe in communities.

01:25:22.740 We believe in churches.

01:25:23.740 You can't just say, oh, your community fell apart.

01:25:25.740 You should move.

01:25:26.740 Move to the city.

01:25:27.740 Move to the city.

01:25:28.740 Then we'll be conservatives.

01:25:29.740 That's right.

01:25:30.740 You know, conservatives believe in those things that are falling apart, that fell apart

01:25:32.740 in the Midwest under Obama.

01:25:33.740 That's why we want the government not making these decisions, even our government, even

01:25:37.740 our president, even President Trump.

01:25:38.740 We want the government not to have so much power that it has crowded out all the people

01:25:43.740 who can't address these issues, which are communities and churches.

01:25:45.740 But you're talking about the federal government.

01:25:47.740 The federal government should have that power, but local governments should be able to make

01:25:51.740 rapid responses to the rapid changes that come into their communities and destroy

01:25:54.740 them.

01:25:55.740 There's a difference between they should be able to, on a constitutional legal level, and it's

01:25:59.740 good policy to do so.

01:26:00.740 I think that the truth is that the history of the United States, frankly, the history

01:26:04.740 of humanity, is in fact mobility.

01:26:06.740 And I'm sorry, but Donald Trump telling you that the Mexicans and Chinese jacked your job

01:26:11.740 from your town, that is not going to bring the job back to your town if you're in a non-competitive

01:26:16.740 industry.

01:26:17.740 And if it does, it's for a very short period of time, as Foxconn is finding out.

01:26:19.740 So this whole routine where we lie to voters by telling them that their jobs will be there

01:26:24.740 forever in the towns that they are guaranteed and that you're going to be buried in the same

01:26:27.740 town that your grandfather was buried in.

01:26:29.740 I mean, I had this exact conversation with Tucker, right?

01:26:32.740 That is not what...

01:26:33.740 American history was literally about people leaving the lands of their birth and coming 0.95

01:26:36.740 to the United States, and then people crossing a wide-fruited plain in the face of people

01:26:40.740 who wanted to kill them in many cases, and then building something up.

01:26:43.740 This notion that you're born in America, therefore you get to stay there and live with the job 0.77

01:26:46.740 that your grandfather had.

01:26:47.740 First of all, nobody has the job their grandfather had.

01:26:48.740 Pittsburgh was the dirtiest city in America, and the sky was basically green because of

01:26:53.740 all of the pollution.

01:26:54.740 I remember, yeah.

01:26:55.740 And now, the unemployment rate in Pittsburgh is under 4% because the entire industry transformed

01:26:59.740 into healthcare industry and education.

01:27:00.740 Right.

01:27:01.740 So this attempt to, your job is the best it'll ever be, and what we need to do is bring back

01:27:05.740 your grandpappy's job. 0.67

01:27:06.740 You know what your grandpappy probably didn't like doing?

01:27:08.740 Probably he didn't like sitting on an assembly line and dying at age 60 because he was sitting

01:27:12.740 there, chain-smoking cigarettes with his dead-end job for 40 years.

01:27:17.740 The fallacy in what you're saying-

01:27:18.740 Putting rivets in cars.

01:27:19.740 The fallacy in what you're saying is that in the big picture, mobility is very important,

01:27:23.740 which is why I think we need to go into space.

01:27:25.740 Politics is about the big picture.

01:27:27.740 Politics is not-

01:27:28.740 No, wait, it's not always about the big picture because you have elections and people

01:27:31.740 will not vote for you if their lives are falling apart.

01:27:34.740 All politics is localism.

01:27:35.740 Okay, so-

01:27:36.740 But wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:27:37.740 So you're saying the policy should-

01:27:38.740 This is not-

01:27:39.740 The policy should be general.

01:27:40.740 Wait, wait, wait.

01:27:41.740 Don't do that.

01:27:42.740 What you're saying is-

01:27:43.740 And the political things should be aligned.

01:27:44.740 I mean, this is not the world right now where there is a wilderness that people can fill.

01:27:50.740 People are-

01:27:51.740 We do not believe-

01:27:52.740 None of us believes that people should be constantly on the move, constantly destroying their communities.

01:27:57.740 Nobody believes that.

01:27:58.740 The moment when the new world was created is the moment when that happened.

01:28:02.740 But now we are an older country-

01:28:04.740 Even if I'm sympathetic to what you're saying, I don't trust you to make those decisions.

01:28:07.740 I don't trust me to make those decisions either, but I think there are decisions that can be made.

01:28:11.740 There is such a thing as good policy, right?

01:28:13.740 I mean, there's good policy and bad policy.

01:28:14.740 There even are good statesmen.

01:28:15.740 You just said-

01:28:16.740 We don't have a lot of them, but there are some.

01:28:17.740 You just said on a general policy level you agree with me, so I'm not sure what your good policy looks like.

01:28:21.740 No, no, no.

01:28:22.740 I said over time, mobility is important.

01:28:24.740 That's why I think we should go into space.

01:28:26.740 But we're not in space right now.

01:28:27.740 Our country has its borders.

01:28:29.740 The substitute for the wilderness was commerce.

01:28:33.740 That was the substitute for the end of the wilderness.

01:28:35.740 The wilderness in the United States ended in the late 19th century.

01:28:38.740 That's right.

01:28:39.740 And the substitute for that was entrepreneurship and commerce.

01:28:41.740 That was the substitute for it.

01:28:42.740 And also islands overseas and different territories.

01:28:45.740 No, realistically it was commerce.

01:28:46.740 It was making the United States into the greatest commercial power in the history of the world,

01:28:51.740 bar none, and driving the vast majority of the globe out of abject poverty.

01:28:54.740 So when Donald Trump stood up and said to the people in the middle of the country who were killing themselves at such a rate that our life expectancy was going down,

01:29:03.740 when he says I remember you, I have not forgotten you, and came into office and by deregulating actually created the jobs that Obama said could not be created, was he mistaken?

01:29:12.740 I didn't object to one word.

01:29:13.740 I think that was the best thing about it.

01:29:14.740 I have no bad words to say about his words on deregulation.

01:29:17.740 What I'm saying is that when he says that he's going to rejigger the global economy through quote unquote better trade deals,

01:29:23.740 and what he actually has done is basically substitute fake NAFTA for original NAFTA with minor changes.

01:29:28.740 He's also driven the Chinese economy back to the 1990s.

01:29:31.740 I mean-

01:29:32.740 Listen, I was in favor of that for security concerns, but not for economic concerns.

01:29:35.740 That's not been good for the economy.

01:29:36.740 Also, is the suicide rate going down?

01:29:37.740 What's that?

01:29:38.740 Is the suicide rate going down?

01:29:39.740 I don't know yet.

01:29:40.740 Is the opioid crisis-

01:29:41.740 We don't know yet.

01:29:42.740 We won't know for at least two years.

01:29:43.740 Let's take at least three questions from our backstage.

01:29:45.740 If you want to get a question, go over to dailywire.com slash subscribe, give us your hard-earned cash,

01:29:50.740 and we will give you very, very, very few answers because we talked about it.

01:29:53.740 This question comes from Christopher.

01:29:55.740 Christopher, why do you think Bernie is losing so much of his base when other Democrats like Warren are just parroting his ideas?

01:30:01.740 It tastes so good.

01:30:02.740 I don't know.

01:30:03.740 It is a fair question.

01:30:04.740 Yeah, it is.

01:30:05.740 The guy's the only person actually proposing policy in the entire-

01:30:08.740 And he's created the modern Democrat Party.

01:30:10.740 Especially, yeah.

01:30:11.740 Because he was the only rival to Hillary Clinton.

01:30:13.740 That's the only reason he was popular in the first place, right?

01:30:15.740 He was the only one allowed to be a rival for it.

01:30:17.740 That's right.

01:30:18.740 Right.

01:30:19.740 It was Martin O'Malley.

01:30:20.740 Yeah.

01:30:21.740 He was the only person of saying that he killed a Vietnamese soldier in the Vietnam War, which makes him a very bad man.

01:30:27.740 And then it was Bernie Sanders, who was not a war hero and in fact was a communist.

01:30:31.740 And he was the chief rival to Hillary Clinton.

01:30:33.740 And now it turns out that they've got people who can speak in more than two complete sentences, 0.99

01:30:39.740 who actually have crafted a patina of intellectual planning around his kind of dumb sloganeering.

01:30:46.740 So you'll see people like Elizabeth Warren. 0.60

01:30:48.740 He'll say, we should make college free for everybody and remove all student debt.

01:30:53.740 And then she'll be like, well, let me give you the exact specifics.

01:30:55.740 And they're like, wow, she's so sophisticated.

01:30:57.740 She has plans.

01:30:58.740 That's right.

01:30:59.740 And she hasn't got the Soviet Union tied to her leg like a chain.

01:31:02.740 And she's not old and she's not grumpy. 0.97

01:31:03.740 Yeah.

01:31:04.740 And I mean, you saw it in the last debate when he looked like he had nothing.

01:31:06.740 I mean, there was one follow-up question to him about taxation.

01:31:09.740 And they're like, so how are you going to do all this?

01:31:11.740 He's like, the people will rise.

01:31:13.740 The people will come out.

01:31:14.740 And we'll argue with the streets.

01:31:15.740 And we'll wave our pudding and chow.

01:31:17.740 And then the end of the world will come.

01:31:20.740 There is a verified guy on Twitter named Jeremy.

01:31:24.740 I don't know.

01:31:25.740 What's his name?

01:31:26.740 Who sent out a tweet about Bernie Sanders that I thought was the most accurate thing anyone has ever said about him,

01:31:32.740 which was that he's running to make up for the fact that everything he ever thought was wrong.

01:31:37.740 This is the big problem.

01:31:38.740 And this is, by the way, I think all the Democrats are doing that.

01:31:40.740 This is why he can't actually win the election, though, is because as just a matter of accomplishment in government,

01:31:45.740 he's been there since 1776 and he's never accomplished one single thing.

01:31:50.740 Yeah.

01:31:51.740 He actually is the intellectual leader of the current Democratic Party, which tells you more about the intellectual state of the Democratic Party than about his intellect.

01:31:58.740 But he did craft the party from an intellectual level.

01:32:01.740 He's just never done anything.

01:32:02.740 He doesn't have the spirit for it.

01:32:03.740 Whereas Elizabeth Warren, as detestable as she is, actually has accomplished certain things in her life. 1.00

01:32:08.740 And has the great spirit.

01:32:09.740 And she has the great spirit.

01:32:11.740 This next question.

01:32:13.740 Michael, why does entertainment from conservative artists and companies appear to lack the creative quality that the progressive...

01:32:20.740 First of all, did they not see Dem Girl Squad?

01:32:22.740 I know.

01:32:23.740 That's...

01:32:24.740 Maybe the question came in before Dem Girl Squad.

01:32:26.740 What do you think, Michael?

01:32:27.740 Why do conservative movies, why are they bad?

01:32:29.740 Yeah.

01:32:30.740 Well, a lot of movies, a lot of the greatest movies of all time have been conservative.

01:32:34.740 They've had conservative messages.

01:32:36.740 We just don't call them conservative movies and they don't air on conservative channels.

01:32:39.740 They're made by liberals, like Chernobyl's Fantastic, the guy who made it doesn't get it.

01:32:42.740 Exactly.

01:32:43.740 He doesn't get it.

01:32:44.740 This often happens.

01:32:45.740 But, yeah, part of the reason why conservative movies or Christian movies are often very terrible is because we've just sort of ghettoized ourselves

01:32:52.740 and because when we know that we are selling a product that is going to a specific audience,

01:32:59.740 we put the ideology and we put the philosophy at the forefront and we allow that as a sort of shortcut to making a good story

01:33:07.740 and casting good actors and all those sorts of things.

01:33:10.740 Yeah.

01:33:11.740 And if you have to do that, they get their messages in a little bit more subtly and they own the industry.

01:33:15.740 There's one other piece of this, which is every now and then a guy is born in some small town in some backwater state who can throw a hundred mile an hour fastball.

01:33:25.740 And God touches the person who can throw a hundred mile an hour fastball.

01:33:30.740 Yeah.

01:33:31.740 Right?

01:33:32.740 It's not one in three people.

01:33:33.740 It's not one in ten people.

01:33:35.740 You are special.

01:33:36.740 You have a gift from God.

01:33:38.740 You might as well be a next man.

01:33:39.740 You might as well be a next man.

01:33:41.740 Mostly, though, if you take the hundred mile an hour fastball guys out, all the best baseball players are going to come from bigger towns.

01:33:49.740 But if my hometown, Slayton, Texas, football team plays against any of the football teams from nearby Lubbock, Slayton will lose.

01:33:57.740 It will lose not because there aren't talented people in Slayton, but because the total pool of people from whom we have to choose our football team in Slayton is so small.

01:34:04.740 Lubbock has orders of magnitude more people from which they get to choose their football players.

01:34:10.740 So with the exception of, by the way, even if you're born able to throw the hundred mile an hour fastball and you're from a very, very small town, when you do get to the professional league or you do get to college ball, you will be at a disadvantage.

01:34:23.740 It may be temporary because of your gifts, but you'll be at a disadvantage because you didn't play against the quality of opposition that the guys in the bigger town played because they played other big towns.

01:34:32.740 The truth is there are artists on the right and they work hard and they're trying. We have a lot fewer people from whom to choose.

01:34:40.740 Yeah, that's true.

01:34:41.740 And so the quality that rises to the top over, you know, we may get the hundred mile an hour fastball guy one of these days.

01:34:46.740 They don't have to count on the hundred mile an hour fastball guy. They've got everybody.

01:34:50.740 It's also a funding problem, right? I mean, the people who fund conservative film, their general perception is, the first question they ask is, is it conservative enough?

01:34:58.740 That's right.

01:35:02.740 Where's the come to Jesus call, right? Like where's the, at the end of the movie, where's the thing where they say, and that's why abortion's wrong. 0.61

01:35:06.740 And then the title of the movie is abortion is wrong.

01:35:10.740 Well, this is the other, the other thing. I mean, great movies, and I don't even think movies are the question anymore because the movies are an outdated form, but great art is made by great artists.

01:35:19.740 It's not made by great conservatives. It's not made by great Christians. It's made by great artists.

01:35:23.740 And I think, I think just given the numbers, I think there could be as many great conservative artists and even good conservative artists as liberal artists.

01:35:32.740 But let's face it, they're blacklisted. They are, they do not have, they do not have the venues to go to.

01:35:37.740 But you do agree that the movies may be over, but everyone who spent their life making movies has a right to keep making movies and getting paid because it's not their fault that the global economy-

01:35:45.740 And they should be paid as much as men.

01:35:48.740 Yeah, very good.

01:35:50.740 This question comes from Mark.

01:35:52.740 Why do you think people are seeking the extreme, such as the views held by AOC and the rest of the fresh faces of the Democrat Party?

01:36:00.740 Because purity is easier to sell than moderation, just as a general rule.

01:36:05.740 And so it's always a lot easier to say, well, you are insufficiently pure in your intent.

01:36:09.740 And also, we live in an era where castigation of motives is the easiest game in town.

01:36:14.740 And so it is easier to castigate the motives of somebody who is impure than it is to castigate the motives of somebody who is pure.

01:36:20.740 So you can't say to AOC, well, you're not sufficiently socialist enough because you're obviously willing to compromise.

01:36:25.740 But she's not willing to compromise, right? This is Bernie Sanders' whole pitch.

01:36:28.740 He kept using it with Hillary Clinton.

01:36:29.740 It was like, well, you kept compromising. Look at me. I've never voted for anything.

01:36:33.740 I've never done a new voting in my entire life. And that is my selling point.

01:36:36.740 Because I have never done anything useful.

01:36:38.740 People are like, he hasn't done anything useful. It's great.

01:36:40.740 Because he's so pure. That's why he didn't do anything useful.

01:36:42.740 It also goes back to what you're saying about losing the Soviet Union as an enemy, though.

01:36:46.740 This country won. Our system won. Our philosophy won.

01:36:50.740 And now we need a new vision of what that's going to look like in the 21st century.

01:36:54.740 And I think it's easier to find those things in the extremes.

01:36:57.740 There's not a lot of vision to the sort of incremental, small changes based on winnowing history.

01:37:03.740 It's not a sexy sell.

01:37:04.740 Except that we did have, we did have in that moment, we had an overall vision which could be defined in opposition to the slave states of the Nazis.

01:37:12.740 But Burke is never as solid a sell as the French Revolution.

01:37:14.740 Of course. Right.

01:37:15.740 And Rousseau is always a better sell.

01:37:16.740 There is actually a plus to this, I think, which is people used to complain 70 years ago that the parties were too similar and nobody had a clear ideological vision.

01:37:24.740 And over time, the parties have become ideologically much more extreme.

01:37:28.740 To quote Barry Goldwater, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

01:37:32.740 Not sure I totally agree with it, but I just mean there is, if you follow ideas.

01:37:37.740 The only part of it that he has a problem with is liberty.

01:37:39.740 Yeah.

01:37:40.740 I'm all for the vice.

01:37:41.740 The vice is fine.

01:37:42.740 He didn't think vice was a bad thing.

01:37:43.740 Yeah.

01:37:44.740 But I just mean, I like that people are following their ideas to their logical conclusions.

01:37:48.740 I like that the left isn't lying to us anymore about their view on abortion.

01:37:51.740 They're actually telling us their honest view about abortion.

01:37:54.740 The other reason I think that we're getting extreme is C.S. Lewis predicted it.

01:37:58.740 He said a sick culture needs to talk about politics just like a sick man needs to take medicine.

01:38:04.740 But if all you're doing is talking about politics as we currently are, I mean, our whole culture, Donald Trump is the TV star.

01:38:10.740 He's the movie star.

01:38:11.740 Absolutely.

01:38:12.740 He's everything.

01:38:13.740 If that's all you're talking about, the culture is so sick that you're actually not doing any of the things that politics is supposed to permit, like the arts and like religion.

01:38:21.740 I have to inject a religious argument here because I think that David Brooks, of all people, wrote a good column this week about how the thing about AOC.

01:38:30.740 I know, hard to leave.

01:38:31.740 Stop clock twice a day, right?

01:38:32.740 Yeah.

01:38:33.740 But the thing about AOC and Nancy Pelosi was really an argument over whether we were going to still have liberalism because Nancy Pelosi is far left as she is,

01:38:39.740 is still a liberal in the sense that she believes in compromise and the system working and all that stuff.

01:38:44.740 And I think that we're in this moment when liberalism is under attack.

01:38:49.740 And I think it's under attack because it became a secular system.

01:38:52.740 And as a secular system, I think it lost its reason for being.

01:38:55.740 I think the reason we were liberals is because we were Christians.

01:38:58.740 Yeah.

01:38:59.740 And, you know, Judeo-Christians because, and I think when you take that away, I think somebody wrote a book about this.

01:39:04.740 It is for freedom that Christ has made us free.

01:39:06.740 That's right.

01:39:07.740 And I think when you take that away, you take the bottom jingle block out.

01:39:09.740 We took, we removed religion from politics because we wanted to protect religion from politics. 0.95

01:39:12.740 That's right.

01:39:13.740 And then we, and then religion died.

01:39:15.740 Yeah.

01:39:16.740 And then we made politics our religion.

01:39:17.740 That's right.

01:39:18.740 Because we still needed religion.

01:39:19.740 And once politics becomes religion, well, that was the same as when religion was politics.

01:39:22.740 Yeah.

01:39:23.740 So now you're back to actual religious internecine warfare.

01:39:24.740 Yep.

01:39:25.740 I mean, this point, I made this point on my program, you know, a few days ago that we have returned to a time where you can't actually, because there's no actual discussion to be had beyond a certain point about religion, because either I'm right or you're right.

01:39:36.740 Either you're going to heaven and I'm going to hell or vice versa in most religions. 1.00

01:39:39.740 Well, in politics, it's the same thing now. 1.00

01:39:41.740 Now it's, if you don't vote Democrat, you are an evil person who is going to hell.

01:39:44.740 And there are even, you know, they've got their votive candles to Robert Mueller and they've got their sacraments that you have to perform with recycling and abortion.

01:39:51.740 And there are all these things, these little things that you have to do, and you have to pay lip service. 0.98

01:39:55.740 We have Latin mass in the Democratic Party, where if you don't say precisely the right words about men and women and transgenderism, then we consider you a bad person who is destined to hell forever.

01:40:05.740 If you tweet a bad thing, there's no forgiveness.

01:40:07.740 It's the worst kind of religion, because there's not even any level of forgiveness.

01:40:10.740 And so, without any grace, what you end up with is politics returning to religion and return to religious warfare, because if we have the absolute truth, why should we have this whole liberal construct in the first place?

01:40:20.740 It is an amazing thing that, like, for all of human history, men were men and women were women.

01:40:25.740 And we understood that that had a wide range of definition, but still, there was this essential fact.

01:40:30.740 In one day, that becomes hate.

01:40:33.740 I mean, it's not just that, like, gee, I have an idea that maybe gender is a construct.

01:40:37.740 Let's discuss, let's discuss, you know.

01:40:39.740 It's not that.

01:40:40.740 It's like, I believe that, and you are a terrible, terrible person for not thinking that.

01:40:45.740 I just came back from this conference of evangelical teenagers, right? 0.91

01:40:49.740 And I'm always a little odd there, because I basically think that a loving homosexual relationship can be tolerated and included within the Christian vision of humanity.

01:40:58.740 And so, I'm always the guy who's kind of arguing for it.

01:41:00.740 You don't think it's marriage, though?

01:41:01.740 I don't think it's marriage.

01:41:02.740 I don't think it's actual marriage.

01:41:03.740 I don't think it's sacramental marriage, which is obviously the center of human life, you know.

01:41:07.740 But I don't think people should be chased out any more than I think divorced people or fat people or lustful people or envious people should be chased away from the church.

01:41:17.740 And I would even go further and say that I do believe that there is a state of homosexual relationship that isn't actually any more sinful.

01:41:26.740 You know, it's off-center, but it's not necessarily sinful.

01:41:29.740 But anyway, my point is this.

01:41:31.740 These kids talk to me.

01:41:33.740 They argue with me.

01:41:34.740 They discuss things with me.

01:41:35.740 At no point does anybody stand up and say, you're going to hell.

01:41:39.740 You know, never.

01:41:40.740 They're always open to these ideas.

01:41:42.740 And they disagree.

01:41:43.740 And they disagree ferociously.

01:41:45.740 And we have these wonderful, friendly, actually loving conversations, which to me are one of the great joys of life.

01:41:51.740 We talked about this when Dave Rubin was here.

01:41:53.740 Arguing like this and walking away and saying, you know, that guy actually made a good point.

01:41:57.740 I may adjust something.

01:41:58.740 That's part of the joy of life.

01:42:00.740 And they've completely eradicated it.

01:42:01.740 Well, I've enjoyed the argument.

01:42:02.740 I don't think he made any good points.

01:42:04.740 No.

01:42:05.740 There were a lot of things we didn't get to tonight.

01:42:07.740 The horrors of Jeffrey Epstein, which I do think merit.

01:42:10.740 Yes, we should.

01:42:11.740 We all agree. 0.99

01:42:12.740 He's terrible. 1.00

01:42:13.740 He should burn in hell. 1.00

01:42:14.740 Oh, man. 1.00

01:42:15.740 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:42:16.740 Everybody who also involved with him should burn in hell. 1.00

01:42:17.740 And I don't care how the economy changes. 0.99

01:42:19.740 That man should lose his job.

01:42:20.740 He should.

01:42:21.740 And I hope everyone involved gets caught.

01:42:23.740 Oh, yeah.

01:42:24.740 We didn't get to talk about the fact that a left wing would be domestic terrorist actually stormed a government facility.

01:42:30.740 That's not important.

01:42:31.740 While quoting.

01:42:32.740 Trump tweeted something.

01:42:33.740 That's not important.

01:42:34.740 While quoting one of the squad.

01:42:36.740 So there is more to talk about.

01:42:38.740 We will talk about it the next time that we are together, which I believe will be at Backstage Live at the Terrace Theater in Long Beach, California on August 26th.

01:42:46.740 You can still get your tickets.

01:42:47.740 We'd love to see you there.

01:42:49.740 DailyWire.com slash Backstage.

01:42:50.740 DailyWire.com slash Backstage.

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01:42:53.740 It's not even a prompt.

01:42:54.740 I was just saying it three times.

01:42:55.740 You remember that guy?

01:42:56.740 Beetlejuice of pears?

01:42:57.740 No.

01:42:58.740 It was like, apply directly to the forehead.

01:43:01.740 What was that?

01:43:02.740 I do remember that.

01:43:06.740 So we'd love to see you at Backstage Live.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 18, 2019

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 18, 2019

Daily Wire Backstage： ＂The Squad＂ Edition

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Daily Wire Backstage：＂The Squad＂ Edition