The Michael Knowles Show - Daily Wire Backstage： Ukraine In The Membrane

00:00:00.000 Great news, folks. In case you missed it, the latest episode of Daily Wire Backstage,

00:00:04.720 Ukraine in the Membrane edition is here. Find out if Trump and Biden can survive their Ukraine

00:00:10.820 scandals, how the 2020 election is shaping up, and much, much more. It's a real good time. Enjoy.

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00:00:23.040 Welcome to the Daily Wire Backstage, Ukraine in the Membrane edition. I'm Jeremy Boring,

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00:00:38.080 Can Donald Trump and Joe Biden survive their Ukraine scandals? Will the Dems impeach? Does

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00:03:33.600 So lots going on in the news, and we weren't originally scheduled to do the show tonight.

00:03:37.400 We're actually going to do it next week. And then it became, oh my God, the biggest news day of 2019.

00:03:42.160 Impeachment Gates 2019.

00:03:43.860 And it's solid stuff, guys. So this week's been shit so far. I mean, let's just be real about this. 0.98

00:03:50.400 I've been having a great time.

00:03:54.000 So why don't we begin with a little bit of background. Who wants to sum up what happened here?

00:03:58.980 Knowles, you talk.

00:03:59.680 Well, there was, and this is the only source I have to go on is the president. The most perfect phone call that ever occurred since Alexander Graham Bell was born. And that was between the president of Ukraine and the president of the United States, Donald Trump.

00:04:16.660 This we'd heard for a week now through media leaks and reports. This was it. This was the end of the game for Donald Trump. It was all over. They were going to start an impeachment inquiry for it.

00:04:27.860 President Trump, in a rare move, releases the transcript of the phone call, which raises a whole slew of other questions. So now we can read the transcript. We've got it today.

00:04:35.900 It doesn't matter. The Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, has officially, formally declared an impeachment inquiry. And nobody really knows what that means. You know, when she's formal, she's...

00:04:46.940 It's like Michael Scott's declaring bankruptcy.

00:04:49.700 I declare impeachment inquiry.

00:04:53.220 No impeachment is going on yet.

00:04:55.280 Before this transcript was released.

00:04:56.880 Yes.

00:04:57.200 So she had no idea what she was talking about.

00:04:58.600 So when I woke up this morning, admittedly later than the rest of you, because I barely have a job.

00:05:05.900 I went to my favorite little breakfast restaurant and I was enjoying a nice, a nice...

00:05:11.080 Well, I'll be honest. I eat chili for breakfast.

00:05:13.260 I'm from Texas. I'm weird. I just like to eat chili for breakfast.

00:05:16.300 And CNN was on.

00:05:17.640 And the chyron for the entire hour that I was in my favorite breakfast restaurant said,

00:05:24.160 Transcript reveals president pushed Ukraine to investigate Biden.

00:05:28.140 And I thought, imagine back to the days of yesteryear when you had men like Walter Cronkite or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings flying the big desks, right?

00:05:40.040 And I'm almost positive that at that time the chyron would have said, transcript reveals president asked Ukraine to investigate Biden.

00:05:48.640 But the word asked, which is neutral and accurate, has been replaced in today's journalism with pushed, which is editorializing, right?

00:05:58.060 I mean, you're...

00:05:59.040 Right, because then it begs the question, pushed with what?

00:06:01.120 That's correct.

00:06:01.720 And the answer is pushed with military aid.

00:06:03.940 Oh, look, it's quid pro quo.

00:06:05.360 Oh, impeachable.

00:06:06.080 That's right.

00:06:06.400 The whole thing's a mess.

00:06:09.020 The backstory to the backstory there is, of course, that President Trump is very concerned with the Joe Biden, Hunter Biden allegations circa 2016,

00:06:17.600 in which Hunter Biden was working for a company called Burisma on the basis of his long history of being completely useless over the course of his life and being Joe Biden's son.

00:06:25.340 And knowing nothing about gas.

00:06:26.240 I mean, really, he doesn't know anything about anything.

00:06:27.640 He had been ousted from the Navy for drug use.

00:06:29.300 He had serious problems, right?

00:06:30.900 This is a guy who has a very checkered history.

00:06:32.660 And he's being paid $50,000 per month to sit on the board of this company, Burisma.

00:06:38.160 $50,000 per month?

00:06:39.820 Yeah.

00:06:39.920 Per month.

00:06:40.760 How many months?

00:06:41.600 That, I think all of them.

00:06:42.920 All of the months?

00:06:43.280 I think all the months.

00:06:44.560 It analyzes roughly $600,000.

00:06:45.920 No one has been paid this richly for doing so little until Michael Knowles.

00:06:51.180 So, basically...

00:06:52.440 You think we pay Michael Knowles?

00:06:54.400 No, my day just got way better.

00:06:56.240 In any case, so Joe Biden was the vice president at the time.

00:07:01.560 He's flying around with Hunter Biden.

00:07:03.000 There are allegations about some of their relationships in China.

00:07:06.160 But Hunter Biden is on the board of this company, Burisma.

00:07:09.160 There is a prosecutor in Ukraine.

00:07:11.480 His name is Viktor Shokin.

00:07:12.540 And Viktor Shokin is widely believed to be corrupt by the EU, by the IMF, by the Obama administration.

00:07:18.440 And he's investigating Burisma and then maybe not investigating Burisma.

00:07:21.840 At a certain point, Joe Biden openly threatens, and talks about this, openly threatens to withdraw $1 billion in American loan guarantees unless Shokin is ousted. 0.51

00:07:30.360 Now, people on the right make the connection, okay, maybe the reason why he's doing that is because Shokin was investigating Burisma.

00:07:36.240 And the media basically said, no, no, no, no, no, it's not about that.

00:07:39.200 He just, everybody wanted him out and Biden was in charge.

00:07:41.540 Regardless of whether there was an actual corrupt nexus here, it's obviously a conflict of interest.

00:07:46.880 I mean, there's no way that Biden should have been leading that up.

00:07:49.200 Anyway, so Trump wants an investigation into that.

00:07:51.180 The allegation, again, Joe Biden was leveraging American taxpayer dollars for his own personal benefit.

00:07:56.140 And he does this, allegedly, by leveraging American taxpayer dollars for his own personal benefit.

00:08:00.720 That's the allegation.

00:08:02.120 So the allegation is by the Democrats and by the media that President Trump withheld $400 million in Ukrainian aid in order to force them to investigate his chief political rival at this point, Joe Biden.

00:08:13.860 Because there was no money going to the Cherokee tribe to investigate Elizabeth Warren.

00:08:18.300 Because we've broken every treaty we have.

00:08:20.200 Historically.

00:08:22.060 What I want to know, what I want to know is, when did, when would Ukraine ordinarily have expected to receive this, this military aid?

00:08:30.860 And how long did they not receive it after?

00:08:34.040 They were receiving it regularly.

00:08:35.320 I don't know if that was monthly or quarterly, but they were receiving it regularly for the first couple of years of the Trump administration.

00:08:40.140 So that, in and of itself, was a change, right?

00:08:42.700 So the Obama administration had not provided this sort of aid to Ukraine.

00:08:46.300 They had just been giving them MREs, basically.

00:08:49.060 And Ukraine was like, well, we need some weapons to fight off the Russian insurgents who are trying to murder us.

00:08:53.060 And Obama was like, nope.

00:08:54.380 And so Trump comes in.

00:08:55.900 That changes.

00:08:56.540 Now we're providing them with javelin missiles, for example.

00:08:58.400 And in July, mid-July, so here, I'm going to give you the Democrats' point of view, and then we can start working on debunking it or talking about what's wrong with it or where it's lacking.

00:09:07.100 So I want to build up the strongest case for the Democrats, and then we can talk about the transcript and all of that, because we still like being honest.

00:09:12.700 See, we're here on the show.

00:09:13.560 We enjoy honesty.

00:09:14.280 It's a thing.

00:09:14.760 I know.

00:09:15.420 Media matters.

00:09:16.220 It's a thing.

00:09:16.820 So in any case, the basic timeline is this.

00:09:21.600 In mid-July, President Trump tells the head of the Office of Management and Budget, personally, apparently, Mick Mulvaney, he wants to stop the aid to Ukraine.

00:09:29.760 A week later, he has this phone call with Zelensky, and that's what this transcript is that we're going to go through.

00:09:34.000 A few weeks after that, he still has not opened up aid to Ukraine, and people are starting to ask questions, like, why the hell are we not providing the aid to Ukraine?

00:09:41.100 In the beginning of September, you have the Washington Post runs a story September 5th about Ukraine aid being held up.

00:09:48.140 September 9th, there is this whistleblower complaint.

00:09:50.400 So somebody in the intelligence community files a whistleblower complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence community, saying that something untoward has gone on.

00:09:57.800 They've heard a promise on a call.

00:09:59.640 It's all secondhand, as we learn.

00:10:01.600 But the notice goes to the inspector general.

00:10:04.020 The inspector general says, yes, this is urgent, which means it has to now be reported to Congress.

00:10:07.280 The director of national intelligence steps in and says, well, whatever the content is, it doesn't fulfill the statutory requirements of urgent, so it can't be turned over.

00:10:15.900 So September 9th is when Congress finds out that this thing even exists.

00:10:19.480 Two days later, Trump releases the aid.

00:10:21.460 So the Democratic case is he was holding up the aid because he wanted to leverage the Ukrainians.

00:10:25.980 And then as soon as it became public, he let the aid go because he didn't want the blowback.

00:10:29.280 Right.

00:10:29.420 That's that's their case.

00:10:30.360 And the second part of their case is Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal attorney, has been spending the last two years basically going in and out of Ukraine, investigating this Biden stuff.

00:10:39.220 And then Rudy being literally the worst spokesperson for anyone in the history of mankind.

00:10:44.860 I mean, this guy makes Sean Spicer look like Jay Carney.

00:10:47.220 It's unbelievable.

00:10:48.840 He was the greatest mayor of New York, only maybe tied with LaGuardia.

00:10:52.820 But who thought that he would be a good lawyer on somebody else's behalf?

00:10:55.380 Rudy Giuliani is Donald Trump.

00:10:56.700 Could Donald Trump represent somebody else?

00:10:58.960 It's not it's not possible.

00:11:00.360 Rudy Giuliani could never represent anybody else.

00:11:02.220 That's not a thing.

00:11:03.000 So Rudy Giuliani, who appears on television only to make problems for the president, apparently.

00:11:07.580 He goes on TV and he just blurts out.

00:11:09.980 So, you know, the reason that I was over in Ukraine is because is because the State Department sent me.

00:11:15.280 He sounds a lot like Bernie Sanders.

00:11:17.860 I don't want to do the list because it's kind of insulting.

00:11:19.920 They're both New Yorkers.

00:11:20.840 But in any case, Rudy overtly spills that the State Department sends him.

00:11:26.480 So I'm not sure what he thought he was clearing up there.

00:11:28.260 But why is the State Department sending the president's personal lawyer to Ukraine to investigate Ukraine?

00:11:35.120 Like we have people who work in Ukraine called ambassadors and also their entire staff.

00:11:41.440 So that's weird.

00:11:42.120 OK, so that's the Democratic case.

00:11:43.340 And they say the capper is this transcript.

00:11:45.600 Trump reveals the transcript.

00:11:46.740 Trump says it shows there's no quid pro quo.

00:11:48.860 The entire Democratic Party says it does show a quid pro quo.

00:11:51.200 So that brings us up to date.

00:11:53.260 So now, do we want to go through the transcript or do we want to start breaking down the timeline?

00:11:56.600 No, I do want to go through the transcript.

00:11:58.260 But I have a couple of questions about the timeline.

00:12:00.360 One, so Trump says, I want you to withhold the aid.

00:12:04.260 Two weeks later, he has the call with the president of Ukraine.

00:12:07.320 But ostensibly, the call with the president of Ukraine is in response to these elections in Ukraine, correct?

00:12:12.840 Right.

00:12:13.300 For the Ukrainian parliament?

00:12:15.100 Right.

00:12:15.240 So Zelensky was elected a little bit earlier this year, but has he been in office like six months?

00:12:20.120 Something like that.

00:12:20.500 Not very long.

00:12:21.360 Yeah.

00:12:21.520 So this is Trump's first official phone call with Zelensky.

00:12:26.180 And so, again, the real question is why the aid was being withheld from Ukraine.

00:12:30.760 Trump has given a couple of reasons.

00:12:31.780 But there were parliament elections.

00:12:34.300 Right.

00:12:34.600 Earlier.

00:12:35.040 Earlier.

00:12:35.800 No, it was parliamentary elections.

00:12:37.380 Oh, yes, you're right.

00:12:38.160 He was elected president and then he won parliamentary majority.

00:12:40.460 Yeah, and I think this was actually when the phone call opens up, they kind of joke about this.

00:12:45.500 And he says, you only call me when I win things.

00:12:47.460 Right.

00:12:47.640 And it's all this kind of flattery back and forth.

00:12:49.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:50.120 So all of this is, the real question is why, and where this is going to end up is,

00:12:56.660 why did Trump not just say okay to the aid from Ukraine?

00:13:00.020 So the question that I'm asking, I just want to get to is,

00:13:03.100 were the parliamentary elections between Trump saying withhold the aid and this telephone call?

00:13:11.460 No.

00:13:12.100 The parliamentary elections were before it.

00:13:14.040 They were before it.

00:13:14.840 I believe.

00:13:15.680 I believe.

00:13:16.060 I'd have to check it.

00:13:16.680 I don't know the answer to that.

00:13:17.360 I'll check it.

00:13:17.480 So there is no world where Trump was saying,

00:13:20.080 hold back the aid until we know if good guys are running the country or bad guys.

00:13:24.060 Yeah, Trump hasn't even made that argument.

00:13:25.300 So Trump's two arguments have been the Europeans aren't paying their fair share,

00:13:28.040 which he does say in the transcript.

00:13:29.440 Yeah.

00:13:29.720 And also that he is worried about generalized corruption, right, which is his other case.

00:13:35.780 So that's where things stand.

00:13:38.200 So then we get to, and I do think that this is why the transcript,

00:13:42.320 I think, will be the beginning of this and not the end.

00:13:44.040 I don't think the transcript, I think even if you are very much inclined to believe President

00:13:48.560 Trump's account of this, I think that in order for Trump to be, quote unquote,

00:13:52.000 exonerated the way he's saying exonerated,

00:13:54.180 we need to have some explanation of why the aid to Ukraine went away.

00:13:58.120 And I think we have to have some sort of explanation as to why Rudy Giuliani was being sent

00:14:01.960 by the State Department to Ukraine.

00:14:04.040 I mean, those seem like reasonable questions to me.

00:14:06.020 Now, does that mean that the Democrats have proved impeachment just with all of this?

00:14:08.740 No, this is all speculative.

00:14:10.060 It's all a timeline that they've put together.

00:14:12.040 And most importantly, the transcript, in my opinion, doesn't do what either side says it does.

00:14:17.260 So you're seeing the Trump team saying, totally exonerates him.

00:14:19.340 It's a great phone call, the best phone call, fantastic, unbelievable.

00:14:23.100 And then you have the Democrats saying,

00:14:24.820 this transcript isn't in and of itself the quid pro quo.

00:14:27.200 It is impeachable.

00:14:28.200 It is obvious that he's pressuring Ukraine using military aid.

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00:17:05.120 Okay so.

00:17:05.700 The transcript.

00:17:06.360 How do you guys want to go through the transcript?

00:17:07.660 So I'll give you my overall take

00:17:09.580 on the transcript

00:17:10.120 because if you want to actually hear

00:17:11.760 the entire transcript

00:17:12.480 you can listen to my podcast this morning

00:17:13.720 where I literally read it word for word.

00:17:15.180 Really?

00:17:15.420 Yeah because I feel like

00:17:17.840 with important documents

00:17:18.720 I did this with the Mueller report too.

00:17:20.000 I mean I really read a lot of it.

00:17:21.340 I think it's important

00:17:22.260 that people hear the primary source.

00:17:23.580 I read through the Star Report every Christmas.

00:17:26.700 It's good times.

00:17:28.200 That's weird.

00:17:29.740 That's weird.

00:17:30.280 It's like to sit around as a family you know.

00:17:31.960 Yeah I know.

00:17:32.520 Do our civic duty.

00:17:33.080 Do our civic duty.

00:17:33.340 Do our civic duty.

00:17:35.160 Do our civic duty.

00:17:35.960 Okay I'm not even going to go here.

00:17:37.080 This is not going well.

00:17:38.020 Anyway so my overall take

00:17:40.120 on this conversation

00:17:40.840 is that this conversation

00:17:42.320 seemed to me

00:17:43.200 not like

00:17:44.580 the president engaging

00:17:45.700 in a quid pro quo

00:17:46.940 I'm going to withhold your military aid

00:17:48.280 unless you investigate Joe Biden.

00:17:49.660 It sounds like

00:17:50.620 Zelensky

00:17:51.420 President Vladimir Zelensky

00:17:53.140 definitely understands

00:17:54.460 the conversation to be that.

00:17:55.640 Meaning that Zelensky

00:17:56.440 is going through

00:17:56.960 this entire conversation

00:17:58.000 thinking to himself

00:17:58.800 my military aid

00:17:59.940 has been withdrawn.

00:18:00.780 What do I need to do 0.99

00:18:01.780 to massage this dude's buttocks 0.99

00:18:02.880 so I can get what I need? 1.00

00:18:04.040 Right like that

00:18:04.460 and everything he says

00:18:06.220 is geared toward that right.

00:18:07.200 He starts off

00:18:07.920 and the first thing that he says

00:18:09.420 is he says

00:18:10.800 we worked a lot

00:18:12.780 but I would like to confess to you

00:18:14.040 I had an opportunity

00:18:15.040 to learn from you.

00:18:16.460 We used quite a few

00:18:17.080 of your skills and knowledge

00:18:18.180 and we're able to use it

00:18:19.240 as example

00:18:19.840 for our elections

00:18:20.940 and yes it is true

00:18:22.000 that these were unique elections

00:18:23.200 and he keeps telling you

00:18:24.360 about how

00:18:25.080 he keeps telling Trump

00:18:26.020 about how wonderful he is.

00:18:27.560 The next thing he says

00:18:28.200 he says

00:18:28.480 to tell you the truth

00:18:29.720 we're trying to work hard

00:18:30.560 we want to drain the swamp

00:18:31.720 here in our country.

00:18:32.880 Right like everything he's doing

00:18:33.980 is directed at the

00:18:35.200 Kim Jong-un model of diplomacy

00:18:36.380 which is like

00:18:37.260 if I just massage this guy 0.61

00:18:39.140 maybe he'll give me what I want.

00:18:40.720 Now Trump

00:18:41.580 seems to completely miss this.

00:18:43.360 Right so it's like

00:18:44.260 because he's used to people

00:18:45.420 fawning over him all the time

00:18:46.440 so Zelensky is spending

00:18:47.660 the entire call going

00:18:48.680 what do I have to do

00:18:49.800 to get what I want from you

00:18:50.760 and Trump's like

00:18:51.420 you know who's called you Rudy

00:18:52.400 I like Rudy.

00:18:53.360 The whole call is like that

00:18:55.160 because he goes on.

00:18:56.800 Importantly though

00:18:57.400 speaking of Rudy

00:18:58.580 the way

00:18:59.720 like one of the great defenses

00:19:01.220 of your read on this

00:19:02.080 is that it's not Trump

00:19:03.340 who brings up Rudy.

00:19:04.240 Exactly.

00:19:04.620 It's not Trump who says

00:19:05.280 I want to send Rudy over here

00:19:06.360 it's Zelensky who says

00:19:07.080 and you know who we really like

00:19:08.620 I'll do it

00:19:09.320 and you know who we really like

00:19:10.840 Rudy Giuliani.

00:19:14.120 Rudy's a nice guy I guess.

00:19:15.620 Why are you bringing him up?

00:19:16.360 And then Trump's immediate response

00:19:18.160 to that is not

00:19:18.720 anybody to help him

00:19:19.660 or there goes your military

00:19:20.560 and it's like

00:19:20.960 you're right

00:19:21.480 I do like Rudy

00:19:22.260 and sometimes we like

00:19:23.780 to go fishing together.

00:19:24.660 I mean like

00:19:24.900 that's the whole conversation

00:19:25.860 it's like talking to my three year old

00:19:27.040 like I'm trying to convince

00:19:28.140 my three year old

00:19:28.700 to eat his dinner

00:19:29.280 and then I'll say

00:19:30.120 you know you should eat your dinner

00:19:31.000 because it makes you healthy

00:19:32.040 so you'll be strong

00:19:32.940 you know like an elephant

00:19:33.620 and he'll be like

00:19:34.640 I like elephants

00:19:35.340 elephants are really great

00:19:36.220 like that's this conversation

00:19:37.500 Zelensky's like 0.99

00:19:38.500 you know what

00:19:39.280 here are all the things

00:19:40.840 I want to give you

00:19:41.500 you give me what I want

00:19:42.500 and Trump's like

00:19:43.220 let's talk about Rudy.

00:19:44.800 I like Rudy.

00:19:45.740 The best part is when

00:19:46.500 Zelensky even says

00:19:47.280 I stayed at Trump Tower once.

00:19:48.600 He does

00:19:49.020 he says that at the end

00:19:50.100 right at the end

00:19:50.680 he's still trying to go

00:19:51.480 like I've tried everything here

00:19:52.980 this guy does not get it

00:19:54.080 I stayed at Trump Tower

00:19:55.300 and Trump's like

00:19:55.940 it's great

00:19:56.520 isn't it very shiny

00:19:57.420 and like that's

00:19:58.140 that's the whole conversation.

00:19:59.480 In the transcript

00:19:59.980 do they ever directly talk

00:20:01.560 about the military aid?

00:20:02.660 So yes

00:20:03.180 so but it is not Trump

00:20:04.660 so Trump

00:20:05.240 okay so here's how it goes

00:20:06.760 Zelensky says

00:20:07.540 that they're trying to drain

00:20:08.860 the swamp

00:20:09.360 and you teach us

00:20:10.600 and all of this

00:20:11.060 and then Trump says

00:20:12.420 it's very nice of you

00:20:13.240 to say that

00:20:13.740 I will say we do a lot

00:20:14.840 for Ukraine

00:20:15.240 then he talks about

00:20:15.800 the military aid

00:20:16.440 but he never mentions

00:20:17.520 what he wants Zelensky to do

00:20:19.200 he says

00:20:19.860 you guys should get

00:20:20.640 more military aid

00:20:21.320 from the surrounding countries

00:20:22.160 right

00:20:22.360 Europe is not paying

00:20:23.380 its fair share

00:20:23.840 so when Trump has said

00:20:24.660 that that is his excuse

00:20:25.660 for holding back the aid

00:20:27.020 that part's true

00:20:27.760 right

00:20:27.940 he said that

00:20:28.580 in this exact

00:20:29.640 the very first thing he said

00:20:30.500 and that's consistent

00:20:31.200 with Trump

00:20:31.780 with what he said

00:20:32.540 right

00:20:32.720 with what he said

00:20:33.960 for the last four years

00:20:35.220 with NATO

00:20:35.700 with everything

00:20:36.220 right

00:20:36.380 this is very consistent

00:20:37.180 no one's paying

00:20:37.880 their fair share

00:20:38.440 he's like the Bernie Sanders

00:20:39.800 of international politics

00:20:40.720 right

00:20:40.980 everybody's got to pay

00:20:41.740 their fair share

00:20:42.140 but he's kind of right

00:20:43.520 so Zelensky

00:20:44.640 then goes on

00:20:45.860 and he starts talking

00:20:47.560 about how

00:20:48.320 then Zelensky

00:20:49.580 brings up the military aid

00:20:50.500 right

00:20:50.620 Zelensky says

00:20:51.260 we're ready to continue

00:20:52.200 to cooperate

00:20:52.660 for the next step

00:20:53.360 specifically

00:20:53.920 we're almost ready

00:20:54.900 to buy more javelins

00:20:55.720 from the United States

00:20:56.540 for defensive purposes

00:20:57.500 and here is the part

00:20:58.700 that the media

00:20:59.100 are seizing on

00:20:59.640 and the Democrats

00:21:00.080 right

00:21:00.300 so Zelensky mentions

00:21:01.960 the javelins

00:21:02.520 the javelin missiles

00:21:03.200 and Trump's next line is

00:21:04.500 I would like for you

00:21:05.600 to do us a favor though

00:21:06.620 because our country

00:21:07.240 has been through a lot

00:21:07.920 and Ukraine knows a lot

00:21:08.700 about it

00:21:09.080 here is where the media

00:21:10.260 are being supremely dishonest

00:21:11.880 because if you've been

00:21:12.380 watching the media today

00:21:13.200 yes

00:21:13.560 they have the hardest

00:21:14.380 working ellipses in media

00:21:15.600 so what they do

00:21:16.680 is they go from

00:21:17.740 I would like for you

00:21:18.600 to do us a favor

00:21:19.220 dot dot dot

00:21:20.980 okay guys go to the next page

00:21:22.280 all the way to the

00:21:23.780 the top paragraph

00:21:24.760 about six lines down

00:21:25.700 there's a lot of talk

00:21:26.740 about Biden's son

00:21:27.380 so they skip from right here

00:21:28.460 all the way down

00:21:30.140 basically one full page

00:21:31.340 one full page

00:21:31.940 of the transcript

00:21:32.560 right

00:21:33.140 so Trump's initial thing is

00:21:35.040 you know if you're going to

00:21:35.760 talk about military aid

00:21:36.820 I want you basically

00:21:37.880 to investigate corruption

00:21:39.040 and that would mean

00:21:40.020 investigating Ukrainian

00:21:41.220 interference in the 2016 election

00:21:42.660 right

00:21:43.020 now what he brings up there

00:21:44.200 doesn't make any sense

00:21:45.040 right

00:21:45.160 he's talking about

00:21:45.560 crowd strike

00:21:46.220 and supposedly

00:21:47.360 that crowd strike 0.60

00:21:48.640 somehow buried

00:21:49.980 Hillary's servers

00:21:50.700 and all that

00:21:51.040 like that's what

00:21:51.440 the reference is to

00:21:52.120 because Trump only remembers

00:21:53.400 the stuff he wants to remember

00:21:54.260 he's talking about the election

00:21:54.940 he's talking about

00:21:55.420 but he's talking about the election

00:21:56.000 he's not talking about Joe Biden

00:21:57.200 and he's not threatening

00:21:58.020 anything about Joe Biden

00:21:58.820 right

00:21:59.200 so the only connection made

00:22:00.400 between the military aid

00:22:01.460 and anything so far

00:22:03.100 is we'd like for you

00:22:04.220 to investigate

00:22:04.780 your country's role

00:22:05.820 in meddling

00:22:06.280 in the 2016 election

00:22:08.320 and then

00:22:09.180 which is actually interesting

00:22:10.220 because

00:22:10.740 that is a legitimate thing

00:22:12.700 for Trump to ask about

00:22:14.460 that's fully legitimate

00:22:15.360 right

00:22:15.700 and Democrats have done

00:22:16.820 the same thing

00:22:17.260 right

00:22:17.420 they've said

00:22:18.420 that if Ukraine

00:22:19.780 was not going to investigate

00:22:20.680 Paul Manafort

00:22:21.280 for example in 2016

00:22:22.520 that maybe their aid

00:22:23.680 should be withdrawn

00:22:24.160 so that's not illegitimate

00:22:25.400 to say

00:22:25.780 it's in the interest

00:22:26.600 of the United States

00:22:27.320 to know what Ukraine did

00:22:28.580 during the 2016 election

00:22:29.700 we want you guys

00:22:30.540 to get to the bottom of that

00:22:31.380 right

00:22:31.540 that's legitimate

00:22:32.340 then Zelensky

00:22:33.920 brings up Giuliani

00:22:35.680 right

00:22:36.300 then Zelensky is the one

00:22:37.180 who's like

00:22:37.480 okay this is going nowhere

00:22:38.420 I want to

00:22:39.160 again show the president

00:22:40.120 what a friendly dude I am

00:22:41.160 and so he starts talking about

00:22:42.740 all of this very important

00:22:44.440 he talks about

00:22:44.920 recalling the ambassador

00:22:45.740 because the ambassador

00:22:46.780 allegedly

00:22:47.300 had been working with

00:22:48.680 the Hillary Clinton campaign

00:22:50.420 and a person from the DNC

00:22:51.640 to get dirt on Manafort

00:22:53.240 and the Trump campaign

00:22:53.980 during 2016

00:22:54.680 he says we recalled the ambassador

00:22:55.860 also love Giuliani

00:22:57.520 he's great

00:22:58.020 and he starts talking about

00:22:59.200 how much he loves

00:22:59.960 Rudy Giuliani

00:23:00.940 no offense to Pavel

00:23:01.840 for my awful awful

00:23:02.900 issue

00:23:03.140 he says

00:23:05.180 I will tell you personally

00:23:06.240 one of my assistants

00:23:07.200 spoke with Mr. Giuliani

00:23:08.300 just recently

00:23:08.980 we are very hoping

00:23:10.060 that Mr. Giuliani

00:23:11.280 will be able to travel

00:23:12.120 to Ukraine

00:23:12.560 and then he goes on and on

00:23:13.440 about how much

00:23:14.340 he likes Giuliani

00:23:15.380 and he keeps bringing up

00:23:16.380 the aid right

00:23:16.860 he says

00:23:17.480 we are

00:23:18.040 I love this

00:23:18.800 this is one of my favorite

00:23:19.360 sentences in the whole thing

00:23:20.260 right

00:23:20.420 it's poetic

00:23:21.180 he says

00:23:21.980 I also wanted to tell you

00:23:23.580 we are friends

00:23:24.340 we are great friends

00:23:25.500 he's like telling Trump

00:23:26.880 how good friends they are

00:23:27.820 how they're gonna like

00:23:28.560 go to

00:23:29.380 I don't know

00:23:29.920 brothels together 0.98

00:23:30.660 or something

00:23:30.980 and it's

00:23:31.740 and so

00:23:33.580 and Trump's response

00:23:34.480 to all of this

00:23:35.200 is okay

00:23:36.360 now that you bring up Giuliani

00:23:37.260 I'm just gonna talk about

00:23:38.380 like it's free association

00:23:39.320 with Trump

00:23:39.700 all conversations

00:23:40.540 are free association

00:23:41.260 with Trump

00:23:41.720 so he mentions Giuliani

00:23:42.840 and Trump goes

00:23:44.080 Giuliani's a highly respected man

00:23:45.840 I heard you had a prosecutor

00:23:46.660 who was really good

00:23:47.500 I sent Giuliani over there

00:23:48.640 to investigate the Biden thing

00:23:49.840 and now we're

00:23:50.520 on to Biden

00:23:51.120 but that's a page removed

00:23:52.940 from the actual

00:23:54.660 military aid stuff

00:23:56.500 and the Biden stuff

00:23:57.500 is like a page and a half removed

00:23:58.960 from the actual military aid stuff

00:24:00.680 and then he talks about

00:24:02.080 Joe Biden

00:24:03.120 and investigating the Bidens

00:24:04.560 and Zelensky says

00:24:05.520 that he is going to

00:24:06.760 appoint a good new prosecutor

00:24:08.120 who's not as bad

00:24:08.880 as the old prosecutor

00:24:09.820 and he says

00:24:10.720 that he's removed the ambassador

00:24:12.100 and then

00:24:12.880 Trump keeps going back to

00:24:14.440 I'm gonna have Giuliani

00:24:15.100 give you a call

00:24:15.800 and you like Giuliani

00:24:16.720 and I like Giuliani

00:24:17.500 and all this stuff

00:24:18.020 at no point

00:24:19.260 for the rest of the conversation

00:24:20.800 does Trump actually

00:24:22.000 go back to foreign aid

00:24:22.920 no you actually get

00:24:23.560 to my favorite line

00:24:24.400 in the entire thing

00:24:25.160 here at the end

00:24:25.780 which is President Zelensky

00:24:27.200 talking about meeting up

00:24:28.180 with President Trump

00:24:29.000 in Poland

00:24:29.500 and he says

00:24:30.680 after that

00:24:32.340 it may be a very good idea

00:24:33.560 for you to travel

00:24:34.400 to Ukraine

00:24:35.000 we can either take

00:24:36.080 my plane

00:24:36.760 and go to Ukraine

00:24:37.540 or we can take

00:24:38.580 your plane

00:24:39.140 which is probably

00:24:40.140 nicer plane

00:24:40.840 that's a genuinely

00:24:45.320 funny line

00:24:46.000 so again

00:24:47.020 the whole thing here

00:24:48.160 is Zelensky

00:24:48.960 reading this

00:24:50.240 the way that

00:24:50.720 if you were in Ukraine

00:24:51.500 you would read politics

00:24:52.400 which is

00:24:53.160 you gotta bribe people

00:24:54.300 in Ukraine

00:24:54.860 like Ukraine 0.92

00:24:55.480 has a serious

00:24:56.120 corruption problem

00:24:56.820 like a really

00:24:57.540 really serious

00:24:58.220 corruption problem

00:24:58.720 almost all countries

00:24:59.620 except ours

00:25:00.160 have serious

00:25:01.580 this is right

00:25:02.060 I mean that's why

00:25:02.580 when people say

00:25:02.980 American politics

00:25:03.640 is scrubs

00:25:04.000 like usually

00:25:04.800 in other places

00:25:06.100 for like a second

00:25:07.120 but Zelensky

00:25:08.980 is reading this

00:25:09.620 conversation with Trump

00:25:10.540 like okay

00:25:10.960 he removed the military aid

00:25:11.920 what do I have to

00:25:13.040 bribe this guy 0.59

00:25:13.680 and Trump is kind of like

00:25:15.000 do do do do do do do

00:25:16.160 do do do do do

00:25:16.960 like he's just

00:25:17.620 kind of wandering

00:25:18.340 around

00:25:18.960 I have this instinct

00:25:20.900 to like just

00:25:21.600 sit here quietly

00:25:22.580 for this entire show

00:25:23.500 because my opinion

00:25:24.160 about this story

00:25:24.860 is different than

00:25:26.000 almost everybody else's

00:25:26.960 and I know you're 0.99

00:25:27.500 going to beat the crap 0.96

00:25:28.240 out of me 0.99

00:25:28.560 when I tell you

00:25:29.020 let's do this thing

00:25:29.900 bring it Drew

00:25:31.460 hold on

00:25:32.140 I'm going to force

00:25:32.680 I'm going to

00:25:33.400 this is me

00:25:34.060 just speculating

00:25:34.900 as to what

00:25:35.760 Drew's opinion

00:25:37.000 the treaty of Westphalia

00:25:38.220 I mentioned the treaty

00:25:40.480 just for you

00:25:41.120 I mentioned it on my show

00:25:42.020 I appreciate it

00:25:42.760 I totally didn't listen

00:25:43.500 to your show

00:25:43.740 no of course

00:25:44.320 I thought maybe if I

00:25:46.500 maybe if I mentioned

00:25:47.200 the treaty of Westphalia

00:25:47.980 he'll finally listen

00:25:48.800 to it

00:25:49.100 no

00:25:49.860 my wife tries that 1.00

00:25:50.620 too

00:25:50.760 I suspect that

00:25:52.760 Drew's take is

00:25:53.600 something along the

00:25:54.360 lines of

00:25:54.980 Donald Trump is the

00:25:56.100 president of the

00:25:56.540 United States

00:25:56.940 and the president

00:25:58.040 of the United States

00:25:58.460 has a responsibility

00:25:59.260 before giving aid

00:26:00.420 to another country

00:26:01.220 he has a responsibility

00:26:02.360 to try to root out

00:26:03.700 corruption

00:26:04.080 nope

00:26:04.540 nope

00:26:04.840 sorry

00:26:05.160 it's much worse

00:26:08.080 right

00:26:08.240 it's Elizabeth Warren

00:26:09.100 it's going to be

00:26:09.540 president

00:26:09.800 I don't care

00:26:10.200 we got to hear it

00:26:11.980 I think this story 1.00

00:26:13.540 is crap 0.99

00:26:14.020 I think it is 1.00

00:26:14.900 utter crap 1.00

00:26:15.480 I think it's a 0.99

00:26:16.000 non-story

00:26:16.660 I don't think

00:26:17.600 it's going anywhere

00:26:18.420 if it does go anywhere

00:26:19.340 I think it's going to

00:26:19.920 blow up in the 0.75

00:26:20.440 Democrats face 0.98

00:26:21.080 I think the most

00:26:22.060 obvious thing

00:26:23.260 that's going to

00:26:23.540 happen is it's going

00:26:23.980 to end Joe Biden's

00:26:24.800 bid for the presidency

00:26:25.700 well that I agree

00:26:26.220 and I can't even

00:26:28.020 believe

00:26:28.520 I can't even

00:26:29.360 believe that

00:26:30.020 people are allowing

00:26:31.200 the news media

00:26:31.900 to get away with this

00:26:32.660 for two and a half

00:26:34.200 years

00:26:34.580 for two and a half

00:26:35.640 years

00:26:35.960 they told us

00:26:37.200 absolute lies

00:26:38.540 about what the

00:26:39.220 president did

00:26:39.860 with Russia

00:26:40.980 just lies

00:26:41.800 and that was the

00:26:43.120 news

00:26:43.320 and remember

00:26:43.960 it was the

00:26:44.340 walls are closing

00:26:45.180 in

00:26:45.420 this is the

00:26:45.880 tipping point

00:26:46.400 it's over

00:26:46.860 and then it

00:26:48.200 comes out

00:26:48.520 and Mueller's

00:26:49.020 coming

00:26:49.180 I don't know

00:26:49.760 I don't know

00:26:50.320 what happened

00:26:51.140 but it wasn't

00:26:51.720 anything

00:26:52.140 Trump is off

00:26:53.600 the hook

00:26:53.880 and suddenly

00:26:54.640 they come up

00:26:55.120 with this 1.00

00:26:55.680 garbage 1.00

00:26:56.240 and I'll get 0.98

00:26:57.000 back to why 0.99

00:26:57.440 it's garbage 0.98

00:26:57.780 in a minute 0.99

00:26:58.240 and people

00:26:58.980 go like

00:26:59.420 oh well

00:27:00.000 this time

00:27:00.640 this time

00:27:01.260 they must be

00:27:01.680 really telling

00:27:02.320 the truth

00:27:03.000 you know

00:27:03.380 Mickey

00:27:03.900 I think

00:27:04.400 I think

00:27:04.820 this time

00:27:05.260 and I just

00:27:05.940 think you've

00:27:06.660 got to be

00:27:07.100 kidding me

00:27:07.960 and you've

00:27:09.440 got to forget

00:27:09.780 about Stormy

00:27:10.440 Daniels

00:27:10.860 Michael Avenatti

00:27:11.980 I think that's

00:27:12.860 how the American

00:27:13.200 public will see it

00:27:13.840 so I think

00:27:14.400 that you're right

00:27:14.800 that in the view

00:27:15.160 of the American

00:27:15.540 public

00:27:15.820 they will say

00:27:16.320 that Democrats

00:27:16.940 have been going

00:27:17.300 after Trump

00:27:17.720 hammer and tongs

00:27:18.460 on Ukraine

00:27:19.000 on Russia

00:27:19.740 for two years

00:27:20.340 and then they

00:27:21.040 just shifted

00:27:21.600 the scope

00:27:21.960 slightly to the

00:27:22.800 west

00:27:23.000 and then they

00:27:23.380 were like

00:27:23.680 Ukraine

00:27:24.260 and if

00:27:24.540 Ukraine fails

00:27:25.140 they're going

00:27:25.380 to be like

00:27:25.640 Latvia

00:27:26.520 they're going

00:27:28.000 to end up

00:27:28.260 in France

00:27:28.820 on Morning Joe

00:27:29.940 today

00:27:30.220 that guy

00:27:30.660 the former

00:27:31.140 governor

00:27:31.420 of Massachusetts

00:27:31.940 Weld

00:27:32.400 is that his name

00:27:32.800 he said

00:27:34.140 this is treason

00:27:35.520 he should get 1.00

00:27:36.080 the death penalty 1.00

00:27:36.820 I'm like

00:27:37.560 okay we're not

00:27:38.340 over the top

00:27:38.920 now

00:27:39.220 we're not

00:27:40.140 a never

00:27:40.440 hey he's a

00:27:41.040 he's a real

00:27:41.580 conservative

00:27:42.180 he's a conserving

00:27:43.080 conservative

00:27:43.540 I was talking

00:27:44.600 to my mom

00:27:45.060 about this

00:27:45.440 last night

00:27:45.780 and she's like

00:27:46.100 can you sum up

00:27:46.520 this scandal

00:27:46.880 for me

00:27:47.180 I started to do it

00:27:48.140 in four sentences

00:27:48.700 and she's like 1.00

00:27:49.100 it's crap 0.99

00:27:49.460 and I was like 1.00

00:27:50.520 well you know

00:27:51.640 can I explain it

00:27:52.520 and she's like

00:27:52.860 I don't really care

00:27:53.580 and I feel like

00:27:54.960 that's most of it

00:27:55.500 what I want to hear

00:27:56.360 is

00:27:56.820 explain

00:27:57.720 why do you think

00:27:59.560 that it's nothing

00:28:00.120 not why do you think

00:28:01.080 they're corrupt

00:28:01.660 right 0.91

00:28:01.960 that's a completely

00:28:03.420 different argument

00:28:03.880 absolutely

00:28:04.500 I get you

00:28:05.080 the reason I think

00:28:06.620 it's nothing is this

00:28:07.360 the president has a right

00:28:08.940 to say just about

00:28:10.180 anything he wants

00:28:11.100 to a foreign leader

00:28:12.040 when he's in conversation

00:28:13.460 when I read this

00:28:14.240 what I read

00:28:14.940 I don't even

00:28:15.540 I mean

00:28:16.020 you may be right

00:28:16.860 I think the guy

00:28:17.660 from the Ukraine

00:28:18.360 I keep calling it

00:28:19.460 the Ukraine

00:28:19.820 they tell me not to

00:28:20.400 the guy from Ukraine

00:28:21.520 you know

00:28:22.800 is looking around

00:28:24.360 he's buttering him up

00:28:25.280 but that's probably

00:28:25.920 what all his conversations

00:28:26.920 with foreign leaders

00:28:27.640 I mean I totally agree

00:28:28.220 yeah

00:28:28.440 and so

00:28:29.300 the guy constitutionally

00:28:31.700 has a right to run

00:28:32.600 foreign policy

00:28:33.480 he has a right

00:28:34.240 to talk

00:28:34.800 to presidents

00:28:35.640 privately

00:28:36.380 without everything

00:28:37.080 he says being exposed

00:28:38.080 and he's Donald Trump

00:28:39.880 we all know

00:28:40.320 he runs off of the mouth

00:28:41.380 and he thinks out loud

00:28:42.340 and he doesn't

00:28:42.940 he doesn't half the time

00:28:43.780 know what he's saying

00:28:44.520 he's certainly

00:28:45.560 the idea that he is

00:28:46.900 organized enough

00:28:47.680 to like ram these guys

00:28:49.080 to get investigation

00:28:50.300 of Joe Biden

00:28:50.820 I think he'd prefer

00:28:51.800 to run against Joe Biden

00:28:52.740 than Elizabeth Warren

00:28:53.540 she's a much more

00:28:54.260 disciplined candidate

00:28:55.020 she's not a dithering

00:28:56.600 old man like Biden is 0.89

00:28:57.860 I just think 1.00

00:28:58.580 it's a ridiculous story 0.97

00:28:59.800 I think that you can 0.96

00:29:00.940 blow up anything

00:29:01.980 especially with a guy 0.99

00:29:02.920 like Trump

00:29:03.320 who steps on his own

00:29:04.380 tongue a lot

00:29:04.860 but with any president

00:29:06.380 you can blow up anything

00:29:07.640 into a big deal

00:29:09.140 and finally

00:29:10.200 the final thing

00:29:11.120 about this is

00:29:11.720 impeachment is bad

00:29:13.920 okay

00:29:14.480 we elect the president

00:29:15.820 the House of Representatives

00:29:17.040 of the Senate

00:29:17.520 they don't elect the president

00:29:18.580 it's our choice

00:29:19.780 they don't get to throw him out

00:29:21.220 unless he really does

00:29:22.640 something awful

00:29:23.780 that this even comes

00:29:25.000 close to awful

00:29:26.260 anything

00:29:26.940 that for them to

00:29:28.080 negate an election

00:29:29.160 which they've been now

00:29:29.820 trying to do

00:29:30.260 for almost three years

00:29:31.380 it's absurd

00:29:32.860 and the people

00:29:33.560 will make them pay

00:29:34.600 and you know

00:29:35.240 the thing about it is

00:29:36.340 we all know

00:29:36.960 we all know

00:29:37.880 there's the Trump people

00:29:38.980 and we all know

00:29:39.660 there's the left wing people

00:29:41.120 we all know

00:29:41.540 they're going to take

00:29:42.300 their sides

00:29:42.760 but the people in the middle

00:29:43.940 have got to be looking

00:29:44.720 at this

00:29:45.120 I think

00:29:46.160 you know

00:29:46.560 Americans are pretty sensible

00:29:47.700 and the people in the middle

00:29:48.720 have got to be looking

00:29:49.200 at this and saying

00:29:49.800 are you kidding me

00:29:51.560 give me a break

00:29:52.740 and we also know

00:29:53.980 Kimberly Strassel

00:29:54.680 did a great little tweet

00:29:55.480 thread on this today

00:29:56.240 she was great

00:29:56.880 and she is just terrific

00:29:58.480 generally

00:29:58.940 but we do know

00:30:00.820 speaking of Trump

00:30:01.560 saying things

00:30:02.140 that aren't going to happen

00:30:02.840 and kind of speaking loosely

00:30:03.880 he says that he's going to have

00:30:05.140 Barr call Zelensky

00:30:06.380 the attorney general

00:30:07.400 call the head of Ukraine

00:30:08.180 doesn't happen

00:30:08.980 it just simply doesn't happen

00:30:10.220 because in Trump's head

00:30:11.400 I have a lawyer

00:30:12.420 his name is Giuliani

00:30:13.180 I have another lawyer

00:30:13.920 his name is Barr

00:30:14.520 literally

00:30:15.340 it does not cross his mind

00:30:17.420 that one is his personal attorney

00:30:18.480 attorney general

00:30:19.520 of the United States

00:30:20.020 the other thing is

00:30:21.060 it's not like this call

00:30:21.840 happened yesterday

00:30:22.520 this call happened

00:30:23.380 July 24th

00:30:24.220 July 25th

00:30:24.980 so after this

00:30:26.240 they get the complaint

00:30:27.040 from the whistleblower

00:30:28.100 so called

00:30:28.660 and this goes to

00:30:29.860 the inspector general

00:30:30.840 and then this goes

00:30:32.060 over to the DOJ

00:30:33.060 the DOJ

00:30:33.880 looks into whether

00:30:35.340 this is a campaign

00:30:36.000 finance violation

00:30:37.000 and clears them

00:30:37.900 of the violation

00:30:38.640 now whether there are

00:30:39.660 some other issues

00:30:40.200 that are opened up here

00:30:40.940 that's what we're

00:30:41.600 discussing I suppose

00:30:42.440 but what they also found

00:30:44.580 what the inspector general

00:30:45.320 found is that there was

00:30:46.620 demonstrable

00:30:47.860 I'm sorry

00:30:48.800 signs of political bias

00:30:51.040 on the part of the whistleblower

00:30:52.340 for a political rival

00:30:53.560 of Donald Trump

00:30:54.440 this seems like

00:30:55.560 pertinent information

00:30:56.680 we've got a guy here

00:30:58.400 who is leaking this information

00:30:59.680 who hates Trump

00:31:00.700 who is in the intelligence community

00:31:02.600 who is trying to get rid of him

00:31:04.020 presumably from the start

00:31:05.280 it's deja vu all over again

00:31:07.340 this certainly sounds like

00:31:08.400 the last three years

00:31:09.220 here's where I agree with you guys

00:31:10.860 and where I disagree with you

00:31:11.880 so to the extent that we agree

00:31:13.180 we absolutely agree that

00:31:14.680 the fact that there are people

00:31:17.500 in the bureaucracy

00:31:18.220 people in the intelligence community

00:31:20.660 who believe that they can

00:31:22.640 unmake the election

00:31:23.420 simply because they don't

00:31:24.200 like the president

00:31:24.840 who believe that they can leak

00:31:26.700 apparently the whistleblower

00:31:29.460 didn't even hear the call

00:31:30.300 that's right

00:31:31.400 it was second hand

00:31:32.600 at best

00:31:33.700 that they can leak

00:31:34.920 that kind of private information

00:31:36.080 and the press will play it

00:31:36.980 and that the press will play it

00:31:38.140 this is an existential crisis

00:31:40.020 that we have a press

00:31:41.760 who is working

00:31:43.680 with the bureaucracy

00:31:44.640 to unseat an American president

00:31:46.180 is an absolute

00:31:47.440 constitutional crisis

00:31:48.280 that's the story

00:31:48.940 no question

00:31:49.580 however

00:31:51.040 if all of that is true

00:31:52.940 and it is also true

00:31:55.340 that Donald Trump

00:31:56.060 is guilty of high crimes

00:31:57.020 and misdemeanors

00:31:57.760 then even though I think

00:31:59.260 Donald Trump is probably

00:32:00.600 in the long run

00:32:01.300 less of a threat to the country

00:32:02.500 than the press

00:32:03.840 and the bureaucracy

00:32:04.600 simply because

00:32:05.420 he will eventually

00:32:06.760 term himself out

00:32:07.640 even if

00:32:07.980 he'll either not win

00:32:08.920 the next election

00:32:09.580 or he will

00:32:10.460 in either two to six years

00:32:12.020 or 500 more cheeseburgers

00:32:13.980 one way or the other

00:32:14.900 Donald Trump won't be the president

00:32:15.940 but the media

00:32:16.860 and the bureaucracy

00:32:17.920 being corrupt

00:32:19.440 transcends

00:32:20.840 electoral politics

00:32:21.940 totally agree with that

00:32:23.020 nevertheless

00:32:23.700 the two wrongs

00:32:25.400 don't make a right

00:32:25.880 Jeremy I agree with you

00:32:27.300 but I also want to add

00:32:28.400 I also want to add

00:32:29.220 that in

00:32:29.760 truly

00:32:30.520 I've been alive

00:32:31.440 through Richard Nixon

00:32:32.600 the only time

00:32:33.840 I ever saw a president

00:32:34.920 commit an offense

00:32:35.820 that I thought

00:32:36.380 was vaguely impeachable

00:32:37.620 was when

00:32:38.520 Barack Obama

00:32:39.680 used the IRS

00:32:40.380 to silence

00:32:41.140 the opposition

00:32:42.320 and the reason I say that

00:32:43.580 is because the IRS

00:32:44.220 is so powerful

00:32:45.100 and our elections

00:32:46.140 are so important

00:32:47.000 that that was the only time

00:32:48.240 I ever thought

00:32:48.640 hey that actually

00:32:49.600 damages my freedom

00:32:50.740 you know

00:32:51.340 Richard Nixon

00:32:52.040 going to the DNC

00:32:52.960 that doesn't damage

00:32:53.540 my freedom

00:32:53.960 that actually hurts

00:32:56.220 our country

00:32:57.900 so I'm not a big

00:32:59.540 impeachment guy

00:33:00.100 my standard for impeachment

00:33:01.140 much different than yours

00:33:02.120 I certainly agree

00:33:03.240 that Obama using the IRS

00:33:04.440 was an impeachable offense

00:33:05.400 also probably think

00:33:07.060 that having people

00:33:07.760 burgle the offices

00:33:10.740 of your political opponents

00:33:12.000 is probably also

00:33:13.300 the only impeachable offense

00:33:14.440 there was that

00:33:15.140 they didn't tape

00:33:15.700 the door right

00:33:16.340 they should have done it

00:33:17.140 up and down

00:33:17.800 not side to side

00:33:18.600 I mean bad and sleazy

00:33:19.600 but you know

00:33:20.000 come on

00:33:20.720 but what I will say is

00:33:22.500 you do have a presumption

00:33:24.780 of innocence

00:33:25.160 in this country

00:33:25.740 one of the things

00:33:26.560 that bothered me today

00:33:27.300 that I read

00:33:27.760 was actually written

00:33:28.280 by our friend

00:33:28.820 David French

00:33:29.420 who we have

00:33:30.840 we all have good

00:33:32.440 relationships with

00:33:33.040 David French

00:33:33.440 I know that especially

00:33:34.160 David's great

00:33:34.500 I talked to him today

00:33:35.060 great guy

00:33:35.860 and I know that

00:33:36.340 particularly you guys

00:33:37.220 have a disagreement

00:33:37.680 with him about Trump

00:33:38.740 I think I have a disagreement

00:33:40.120 with him about Trump too

00:33:41.000 but probably not as extreme

00:33:41.900 as yours

00:33:42.260 but he wrote today

00:33:43.640 I agree that he's a great guy

00:33:44.720 he is

00:33:45.120 he's a great guy

00:33:45.940 he wrote both in Time

00:33:46.960 and at National Review

00:33:48.320 that as a prosecutor

00:33:49.720 he would have

00:33:50.900 absolutely no problem

00:33:53.100 taking this document

00:33:54.520 walking a grand jury

00:33:56.040 through it

00:33:56.580 and demonstrating to them

00:33:57.940 quid pro quo

00:33:58.660 and he does this

00:33:59.520 interesting breakdown

00:34:00.280 just of sort of

00:34:00.980 the order of the paragraphs

00:34:02.020 and all I could think was

00:34:05.960 the fact that a good prosecutor

00:34:08.020 could do that

00:34:09.140 right

00:34:09.880 doesn't mean that it's real

00:34:11.680 and you have a presumption

00:34:13.380 of innocence in the country

00:34:14.300 when I read this transcript

00:34:15.380 when I read it this morning

00:34:16.680 after Ben sent it to me

00:34:17.700 I thought

00:34:19.020 there is a case

00:34:20.460 that's plausible

00:34:21.360 that the president's engaging

00:34:22.960 in quid pro quo

00:34:23.700 there's a

00:34:24.560 it's plausible

00:34:25.440 that the president

00:34:26.160 because he is

00:34:27.100 naturally a negotiator

00:34:28.380 that's actually his identity

00:34:29.320 the way he sees himself

00:34:30.380 that he's sort of

00:34:31.300 always angling a little bit

00:34:32.600 to get what he wants

00:34:33.320 and that if you're in the position

00:34:34.580 of the presidency

00:34:35.260 and you're always angling

00:34:36.200 to get what you want

00:34:36.860 and you can't delineate

00:34:38.360 between the personal

00:34:39.220 and the public

00:34:40.200 which I think Donald Trump

00:34:41.720 has a unique difficulty

00:34:43.900 delineating between

00:34:45.200 he thinks out loud

00:34:46.100 it's amazing

00:34:46.540 but not just that

00:34:47.700 he thinks he is the country

00:34:48.680 he thinks that he's the country

00:34:49.640 in the way that he

00:34:50.840 if somebody insults him

00:34:51.800 they're insulting the United States

00:34:52.540 that's right

00:34:52.820 and in the way that he thinks

00:34:54.020 he thinks the attorney general

00:34:55.240 is his

00:34:55.680 he thinks the attorney general

00:34:57.000 is his personal lawyer

00:34:59.000 it's why he says things like

00:35:00.100 you know I thought that

00:35:01.600 that's why he's trying to demand

00:35:03.340 loyalty of people

00:35:04.200 who work for the government

00:35:04.940 so this fact that he is

00:35:07.680 sort of always negotiating

00:35:08.780 can lead him

00:35:10.840 into very corrupt territory

00:35:11.960 and there is a plausible read

00:35:13.660 of this

00:35:14.040 that says that

00:35:14.800 some version of either

00:35:15.740 that being the most generous

00:35:17.200 that he was just being

00:35:17.880 a negotiator

00:35:18.520 who can't separate the public

00:35:19.480 from the private

00:35:20.060 or that he was

00:35:21.100 flat out turning the screws

00:35:22.580 on this guy

00:35:22.980 to get quid pro quo

00:35:23.800 you can make a plausible case

00:35:25.200 but a plausible case

00:35:26.880 is not enough

00:35:28.740 to remove a president

00:35:29.820 of the United States

00:35:30.180 but again let me go back

00:35:31.240 though to this thing

00:35:32.020 you know Bill Clinton

00:35:33.040 committed perjury

00:35:33.900 no question

00:35:34.980 and everybody said

00:35:35.700 well that is an impeachable offense

00:35:36.800 but remember

00:35:37.420 impeachment is a political process

00:35:39.700 the people have to agree

00:35:41.100 and the people said

00:35:41.920 as I think they were

00:35:42.620 absolutely right to say

00:35:43.820 eh he was lying about sex 0.63

00:35:45.320 we all lie about sex 0.97

00:35:46.220 I think that he was

00:35:47.120 they were absolutely right

00:35:48.140 to say that because

00:35:49.040 it is a violation

00:35:50.460 of the central premise

00:35:51.880 of the country

00:35:52.320 that we choose

00:35:53.820 the president

00:35:54.540 to throw the president out

00:35:56.040 I remember when Obama

00:35:57.320 said that thing to 0.96

00:35:58.300 I can't remember

00:35:59.060 you have Tushchenko

00:35:59.740 whatever his name is

00:36:00.320 where he said

00:36:00.700 Dmitry Medved

00:36:01.460 yeah Medved

00:36:02.360 he said you know what

00:36:03.420 after the next election

00:36:04.880 I'll have more flexibility

00:36:05.880 I remember walking in

00:36:07.380 to at the time PJTV

00:36:08.680 and Bill Whittle

00:36:09.400 was on the ceiling

00:36:10.400 I mean he was like

00:36:11.120 you know just furious

00:36:12.260 and he was saying

00:36:13.060 this is treason

00:36:13.900 and I thought you know

00:36:14.820 it's actually not treason

00:36:16.240 he actually has

00:36:16.960 the right to do that

00:36:18.040 it's simply revelatory

00:36:19.060 of the fact

00:36:19.660 that he's not a good American 0.52

00:36:21.260 by the way

00:36:21.640 you can make an argument

00:36:22.380 that that was a kind

00:36:23.220 that you can read

00:36:24.560 what Barack Obama

00:36:25.720 said to Medved

00:36:26.360 as quid pro quo too

00:36:28.060 but it isn't

00:36:29.120 definitively quid pro quo

00:36:30.400 because we don't know

00:36:31.340 but again it was

00:36:32.560 much much worse than this

00:36:34.020 it was endangering the country

00:36:35.660 it was a terrible thing

00:36:36.500 but he has the right to do it

00:36:38.220 and it just shows

00:36:39.220 what a bad person he was

00:36:40.220 but it's not impeachable

00:36:41.200 I would not say

00:36:42.100 I would not negate

00:36:43.080 the election of Barack Obama

00:36:44.260 over that

00:36:44.760 or anything else he did

00:36:45.780 except maybe the IRS

00:36:46.600 here's the truth

00:36:46.980 I have a much broader

00:36:48.620 definition of impeachable

00:36:49.620 than most people

00:36:50.340 because I think

00:36:50.980 that the original

00:36:51.560 intent of the founders

00:36:52.440 is that people would get

00:36:53.140 impeached fairly regularly

00:36:54.000 I don't think

00:36:55.120 that they thought of it

00:36:55.780 as a unique remedy

00:36:57.220 I don't think

00:36:57.960 that they thought of it

00:36:58.600 as something that you never do

00:36:59.800 I think they thought of it

00:37:00.800 as the ultimate check

00:37:01.580 on the power of the executive

00:37:02.460 because otherwise

00:37:02.920 the executive was going

00:37:03.700 to grow out of control

00:37:04.420 and so the power

00:37:05.880 was to limit their funding

00:37:06.920 and to impeach them

00:37:07.700 and which is why

00:37:08.700 they didn't actually specify

00:37:09.860 what high crimes

00:37:10.660 and misdemeanors meant

00:37:11.540 and left it as a political process

00:37:13.000 with that said

00:37:13.880 I do think that you actually

00:37:15.440 do have to show

00:37:16.320 something criminal

00:37:17.100 and not just suspicion

00:37:18.340 of something criminal

00:37:19.180 in order to justify

00:37:19.880 to the American public

00:37:20.640 what is happening here

00:37:21.740 I think that Bill Clinton

00:37:22.620 ought to have been impeached

00:37:23.480 he committed perjury

00:37:24.200 I don't really think

00:37:25.520 that you take a public opinion poll

00:37:26.620 on whether that's popular or not

00:37:27.940 I think that if you commit

00:37:28.720 a high crime or misdemeanor

00:37:29.520 you ought to be impeached

00:37:30.180 now the question is

00:37:31.520 whether Trump did that

00:37:33.200 in this case

00:37:33.760 now he has plenary power

00:37:35.740 over foreign policy

00:37:36.460 that gives an enormous amount

00:37:37.760 of power

00:37:38.500 and that is fine

00:37:40.580 I mean that is constitutional

00:37:42.020 that's how this works

00:37:42.820 right

00:37:43.020 by the way

00:37:44.240 just as part and parcel

00:37:45.320 of my impeachment thing

00:37:46.200 I think it was

00:37:46.900 you know in my ideal world

00:37:48.460 I think it's impeachable

00:37:49.160 that Barack Obama

00:37:49.880 went to war in Libya

00:37:50.660 without any congressional approval

00:37:51.940 and proceeded to depose somebody

00:37:53.180 using American taxpayer dollars

00:37:54.460 like I think that

00:37:55.140 we should have a Congress

00:37:56.280 that's actually in charge

00:37:57.160 of foreign policy

00:37:57.860 again in terms of approving war

00:37:59.260 before the president

00:37:59.840 just runs off willy-nilly

00:38:00.840 and commits us to wars

00:38:01.800 but with that said

00:38:03.380 the question here

00:38:05.080 is

00:38:05.640 does your foreign policy power

00:38:07.440 extend to

00:38:08.380 the allegation

00:38:09.920 is

00:38:10.640 using American taxpayer dollars

00:38:12.900 in order to forward

00:38:14.160 your political ambitions

00:38:15.080 by targeting

00:38:15.600 a domestic political opponent

00:38:16.760 I do not think

00:38:18.080 that the president

00:38:18.840 of the United States

00:38:19.460 has that power

00:38:20.060 I also

00:38:20.860 think that has to be proved

00:38:22.420 so what that means

00:38:23.640 is that I don't think

00:38:24.620 that this transcript

00:38:25.400 proves anything

00:38:26.560 I think

00:38:27.000 there are several

00:38:27.800 I think that it is

00:38:28.760 a Rorschach test

00:38:29.420 if you believe that 0.98

00:38:29.940 Trump is a corrupt 0.96

00:38:30.560 quid pro quo guy 1.00

00:38:31.300 you think it's a corrupt

00:38:31.940 quid pro quo document

00:38:32.800 if you think that 0.99

00:38:33.460 Trump is kind of a buffoon 1.00

00:38:34.360 who just says things 1.00

00:38:35.180 then he's a buffoon 0.98

00:38:36.080 saying things 0.99

00:38:36.580 if you think that

00:38:37.180 he is studiously ignoring

00:38:39.680 you know

00:38:40.480 what Zelensky is saying

00:38:41.760 and is pushing only

00:38:42.560 in the areas

00:38:43.020 where he thinks he ought to

00:38:43.800 then you can read it that way

00:38:44.540 like it is

00:38:45.360 it is subject to

00:38:46.160 a variety of interpretations

00:38:47.000 but whichever of those

00:38:47.800 interpretations you happen

00:38:48.860 to subscribe to

00:38:49.680 it is not enough

00:38:50.360 it is not enough

00:38:50.940 which is why

00:38:51.660 which is why

00:38:52.400 what this is going to come down to

00:38:53.360 in the end

00:38:53.840 really

00:38:54.360 is the Democrats

00:38:55.640 are going to do a big

00:38:56.380 House investigation

00:38:57.420 and can they come up

00:38:58.840 with one human being

00:38:59.820 who Trump said

00:39:00.940 to the human being

00:39:02.000 out loud

00:39:02.820 if they do not

00:39:04.340 investigate Biden

00:39:05.160 I am withholding

00:39:05.980 American taxpayer dollars

00:39:07.020 if they can come up

00:39:07.640 with one person

00:39:08.180 who said that

00:39:08.780 he's in serious trouble

00:39:09.880 if they can't come up

00:39:10.520 with anybody

00:39:10.860 who he said that to

00:39:11.840 it doesn't matter

00:39:12.840 I'm not even sure

00:39:13.480 I agree with that

00:39:14.220 but I'll give that credit

00:39:16.560 but just to go back

00:39:17.380 to what you said

00:39:17.860 about impeachment

00:39:18.420 in an ideal world

00:39:20.060 you know

00:39:20.540 in an ideal world

00:39:21.240 we change the constitution

00:39:22.300 all the time

00:39:23.120 we go throughout the country

00:39:25.000 and be able to

00:39:25.780 have a lot of amendments

00:39:27.240 but in the real world

00:39:28.860 in the real world

00:39:29.640 it's a bad thing

00:39:30.660 to remove the president

00:39:31.500 it's traumatic

00:39:32.960 for the country

00:39:33.580 it's traumatic

00:39:34.460 for the country

00:39:34.960 and it strips the people

00:39:36.180 of their choice

00:39:37.080 he is the choice

00:39:38.180 of the people

00:39:38.640 he's the choice

00:39:39.080 a constitutionally elected president

00:39:40.880 I used to say this

00:39:41.600 about Obama

00:39:42.040 all the time

00:39:42.680 when I was talking

00:39:43.400 to my right wing friends

00:39:44.220 and they were screaming

00:39:44.780 he's evil 0.99

00:39:45.260 he's Muslim 1.00

00:39:45.760 he's this and that

00:39:46.340 I'd say you know

00:39:47.080 he's the elected president

00:39:48.720 of the United States

00:39:49.420 in order to get rid of him

00:39:51.180 try voting him out of office

00:39:52.780 see that would be

00:39:53.480 that would be

00:39:53.900 an amazing strategy

00:39:55.100 for the Democrats

00:39:55.860 by beating him

00:39:56.820 at the bloody polls

00:39:57.700 but presumably

00:39:58.100 there are crimes

00:39:58.860 and misdemeanors

00:39:59.380 for which you would

00:39:59.780 impeach a president

00:40:00.320 regardless of the public

00:40:01.080 this was the other thing

00:40:01.920 I just wanted to say

00:40:02.660 what I would need

00:40:04.480 to impeach him

00:40:05.460 was to see

00:40:06.020 that he was actually

00:40:07.000 manipulating his office

00:40:08.980 like Obama did

00:40:10.380 like Obama did

00:40:11.180 when they went after

00:40:11.780 tried to stop Trump

00:40:12.860 yeah

00:40:13.420 that he was manipulating

00:40:15.200 his office

00:40:15.740 for utter political purposes

00:40:17.660 so he's not just

00:40:18.280 not just this one conversation

00:40:19.560 where he's being Trump

00:40:20.560 what you would need

00:40:22.240 is

00:40:22.500 and so far

00:40:23.920 the reason this isn't open

00:40:25.360 so I think in politics

00:40:27.520 typically there are three answers

00:40:28.660 yes no and I don't know

00:40:29.660 and I think the one

00:40:30.780 that nobody likes giving

00:40:31.540 but is almost always correct

00:40:32.600 is I don't know

00:40:33.080 and right now

00:40:34.600 this is an I don't know

00:40:35.620 situation

00:40:36.360 with shades of no

00:40:37.880 right

00:40:38.500 like I'm leaning toward no

00:40:40.180 but

00:40:40.860 I mean I don't know

00:40:41.960 why he denied aid to Ukraine

00:40:42.880 neither does Mitch McConnell

00:40:43.680 right

00:40:43.880 they asked McConnell

00:40:44.520 and McConnell was like

00:40:45.080 I have no idea

00:40:45.520 why he denied aid to Ukraine

00:40:46.320 he was getting pressure

00:40:46.880 from the Republicans

00:40:47.500 to restore the aid to Ukraine

00:40:49.500 he was getting pressure

00:40:50.460 from Democrats

00:40:51.020 to restore the aid to Ukraine

00:40:51.920 he wasn't doing it

00:40:52.660 so I don't know

00:40:53.020 the answer to that

00:40:53.600 I also don't know

00:40:54.800 in what world

00:40:55.800 what like

00:40:57.640 why is the State Department

00:40:58.820 sending Rudy Giuliani

00:41:00.100 yeah I don't know

00:41:00.620 what that's about

00:41:01.060 to Ukraine

00:41:01.400 like nobody knows

00:41:02.000 what that's about

00:41:02.440 so all I'm asking for

00:41:04.100 is like

00:41:04.500 I do not think

00:41:05.640 it is unreasonable

00:41:06.260 even though the people

00:41:06.880 who are asking for it

00:41:07.580 are unreasonable

00:41:08.180 I do not think

00:41:09.040 it is an unreasonable request

00:41:10.220 to say we would like

00:41:11.420 answers to these questions

00:41:12.340 right

00:41:12.580 but the people

00:41:13.060 who are doing it

00:41:13.560 two things can be true at once

00:41:14.400 the people who are doing it

00:41:15.360 obviously are politically motivated 0.98

00:41:16.840 obviously they don't give a crap 0.98

00:41:18.000 about the Constitution 0.97

00:41:18.620 obviously they're not worried

00:41:20.060 about overreaching the presidency

00:41:21.220 obviously they are only

00:41:22.640 trying to get Trump

00:41:23.220 all of those things

00:41:24.320 can be true simultaneously

00:41:25.480 but as somebody who cares about

00:41:27.260 you know

00:41:27.880 people not violating

00:41:29.460 their constitutional duties

00:41:30.260 I would like to know

00:41:30.740 the answers to these questions

00:41:31.700 it would make me more comfortable

00:41:32.680 but at this point

00:41:33.580 the answer is

00:41:33.980 you haven't proved anything

00:41:34.600 and the political aspect

00:41:36.000 of this too

00:41:36.600 is that not one single person

00:41:38.640 in America

00:41:39.060 cares about aid to Ukraine

00:41:40.260 other than maybe like

00:41:41.280 three Ukrainian Americans

00:41:42.300 but no one cares about that

00:41:43.560 what people care about

00:41:44.660 is being able to elect

00:41:45.720 their president

00:41:46.280 and especially at this moment

00:41:48.160 where the legislature

00:41:49.320 has given away

00:41:50.060 so much of its power

00:41:51.140 to the administrative state

00:41:52.400 where it's given away

00:41:53.220 so much of its power

00:41:54.260 with the executive

00:41:55.120 for that matter

00:41:55.780 to the Supreme Court

00:41:56.980 there is a palpable feeling

00:41:58.920 in the country

00:41:59.420 of helplessness

00:42:00.460 that we cannot choose

00:42:01.660 for ourselves

00:42:02.520 and regardless of whether

00:42:03.660 the founders hoped

00:42:05.220 that impeachment

00:42:05.840 would be used regularly

00:42:06.840 it wasn't

00:42:08.000 it wasn't used regularly

00:42:08.960 at all

00:42:09.420 and arguably

00:42:10.800 and this would probably

00:42:12.160 be my argument

00:42:12.860 every time it was used

00:42:14.900 it was a bad idea

00:42:16.160 it was a bad idea

00:42:16.920 to use it against Johnson

00:42:18.540 in the 19th century

00:42:19.540 it was a bad idea

00:42:20.460 to use it against Nixon

00:42:21.420 it was a political hit

00:42:22.540 because the Democrats

00:42:23.500 couldn't stand him

00:42:24.240 getting re-elected

00:42:24.880 by a landslide

00:42:25.580 it was

00:42:26.360 the impeachment of Bill Clinton

00:42:27.900 while there's a legitimate

00:42:29.040 argument for it

00:42:29.780 I think was just payback

00:42:31.240 for Nixon

00:42:32.360 and for Judge Bork

00:42:33.620 and for Clarence Thomas

00:42:34.820 and for Democrats

00:42:36.040 constantly overturning

00:42:37.320 these processes

00:42:38.000 and I think it would be wrong

00:42:39.540 to

00:42:39.840 I think it would be

00:42:40.520 perceived as wrong

00:42:41.400 here's what I disagree

00:42:42.180 with you about

00:42:42.620 I don't care

00:42:44.420 if the American

00:42:46.600 I'm more with Ben on this

00:42:48.340 I don't think it's fair

00:42:49.140 to say they don't care

00:42:50.120 about the Ukraine

00:42:50.820 they do care about

00:42:52.080 getting to elect

00:42:53.000 their president

00:42:53.420 I mean first of all

00:42:54.260 I know we talk about

00:42:55.380 this all the time

00:42:56.040 more people voted

00:42:57.260 for Hillary Clinton

00:42:58.380 than voted for Donald Trump

00:42:59.460 so when you say things

00:43:00.640 like the people

00:43:01.460 what the people want

00:43:02.740 we have a system

00:43:03.840 I prefer the system

00:43:04.840 to mob rule

00:43:05.500 but when you just talk

00:43:06.500 about the people

00:43:07.420 it's disingenuous

00:43:08.480 to say the people

00:43:09.320 elected Donald Trump

00:43:10.620 no the constitutional system

00:43:13.060 which I prefer to mob rule

00:43:14.380 elected Donald Trump

00:43:15.680 the people

00:43:16.720 probably didn't actually

00:43:18.740 want Donald Trump

00:43:19.300 to be the president

00:43:19.920 I prefer the system

00:43:21.280 similarly the people

00:43:22.780 may not care about Ukraine 0.62

00:43:24.320 I don't believe in mob rule

00:43:27.000 if we're doing something

00:43:28.420 that is illegal

00:43:29.600 then we have to enforce that

00:43:32.980 even if the people

00:43:33.780 wish that we wouldn't

00:43:35.140 so it's not like

00:43:36.520 in the UK

00:43:37.420 where the people say Brexit

00:43:40.460 the politicians say

00:43:42.660 no Brexit 0.98

00:43:43.340 no

00:43:43.600 well they

00:43:44.720 the people did say Brexit

00:43:46.800 and the politicians

00:43:47.880 are standing

00:43:48.780 athwart the will

00:43:49.480 of the people

00:43:49.920 in contravention

00:43:50.800 of the system

00:43:51.460 that's not quite the case

00:43:53.620 with what we're talking about

00:43:54.740 what I would say though

00:43:55.720 in so far as I agree

00:43:57.740 with you guys

00:43:58.380 what I would say

00:43:59.160 is that's an entirely

00:44:00.160 different story

00:44:00.940 that is a page 16 story

00:44:03.140 about this long

00:44:04.200 in which they say

00:44:05.080 well you know

00:44:05.480 we're looking

00:44:05.840 a couple of people

00:44:06.760 on one of the committees

00:44:07.960 are looking into this

00:44:09.100 this thing

00:44:10.220 absolutely agree with that

00:44:11.100 but see that's the thing

00:44:12.660 that's why I say 0.99

00:44:13.540 it's a crap story 1.00

00:44:14.300 it's a crap story 1.00

00:44:15.000 to have this 0.99

00:44:15.580 like a 24-7 idea

00:44:18.020 that we just got off

00:44:19.260 this Russian collusion thing

00:44:20.500 and personally

00:44:21.440 like I said

00:44:22.080 I think this is Wile E. Coyote

00:44:23.580 I think they're going

00:44:24.120 to blow themselves up 0.73

00:44:24.980 I think we're going

00:44:25.580 to watch the Democrats

00:44:26.460 do that slow thing

00:44:27.420 with a little puff of smoke

00:44:28.560 this is why

00:44:29.200 if you ask me

00:44:30.020 did the president do it

00:44:32.560 I have no real opinion

00:44:33.620 no

00:44:33.880 and I say

00:44:34.920 there's a presumption

00:44:35.720 of innocence

00:44:36.100 he did not do anything

00:44:36.960 to violate the presumption

00:44:37.620 of innocence

00:44:37.860 I agree with you

00:44:38.680 and right at this moment

00:44:39.460 I would say

00:44:39.880 I believe he didn't

00:44:41.380 but I could be convinced

00:44:42.940 politically speaking

00:44:43.600 so I've always been

00:44:45.640 more than a little

00:44:46.720 skeptical of the case

00:44:47.700 that the impeachment

00:44:48.280 of Bill Clinton

00:44:48.920 was horrible

00:44:49.260 for the Republicans

00:44:49.900 I've been very skeptical

00:44:51.380 of that case

00:44:51.880 the reason I've been

00:44:52.360 skeptical of that case

00:44:53.220 is because the impeachment

00:44:54.680 of Bill Clinton

00:44:55.120 meant that Al Gore

00:44:55.660 could not use him

00:44:56.360 in 2000

00:44:56.820 and George W. Bush

00:44:57.540 became the president

00:44:58.200 campaigning on restoring

00:44:59.280 honor to the Oval Office

00:45:00.260 so I am not fully sold

00:45:01.800 on the impeaching Bill Clinton

00:45:03.140 was the end of

00:45:03.680 the Republican Party

00:45:04.400 it was the end of

00:45:04.760 Newt Gingrich

00:45:05.180 it wasn't the end

00:45:05.680 of the Republican Party

00:45:06.440 as far as

00:45:08.280 would impeachment

00:45:09.300 seriously damage

00:45:10.360 Democrats here

00:45:11.160 I think that the country

00:45:12.480 is so polarized

00:45:13.060 I have serious doubts

00:45:14.200 that it would

00:45:14.540 I mean like

00:45:15.260 it's pretty obvious

00:45:15.900 what the Democrats

00:45:16.360 want to do

00:45:16.780 so now they just

00:45:17.320 want to do it louder

00:45:17.880 right

00:45:18.160 like they've been

00:45:19.200 they've been saying

00:45:19.700 impeach basically all along

00:45:21.100 they tried to

00:45:21.860 they're talking about

00:45:22.420 impeaching Kavanaugh

00:45:23.060 until five minutes ago

00:45:23.980 well you're gonna

00:45:24.600 you're gonna get to find out

00:45:25.660 because they're gonna

00:45:26.080 impeach him

00:45:26.540 oh no they will

00:45:27.200 I'm not 100% convinced

00:45:28.780 of that I thought

00:45:29.260 you made a good argument

00:45:30.120 because I do listen

00:45:31.120 to what you're saying

00:45:31.720 but I thought

00:45:33.380 you made a good argument

00:45:34.020 that once they

00:45:34.600 set their foot in it

00:45:35.920 but there's also

00:45:36.560 the argument

00:45:37.000 that Pelosi

00:45:37.540 was doing

00:45:38.680 I mean she did

00:45:39.180 nothing today

00:45:39.780 right she did nothing 0.99

00:45:40.420 but the problem is now

00:45:41.960 if she doesn't

00:45:42.960 impeach him

00:45:43.460 she'll be seen

00:45:44.100 to exonerate him

00:45:44.800 and that she can't do

00:45:45.800 she has to

00:45:46.360 they will impeach him

00:45:47.640 in the House

00:45:48.020 regardless of

00:45:48.900 whether they have anything

00:45:49.420 and then they'll just

00:45:50.020 argue that the

00:45:50.520 Senate Republicans 0.98

00:45:51.080 are corrupt 0.98

00:45:51.600 it's possible

00:45:53.180 but it's also possible

00:45:54.060 it's also possible

00:45:54.980 I mean she's a

00:45:55.740 wily person herself

00:45:56.940 and it's also possible

00:45:57.860 that she's doing this

00:45:58.580 to give him a little bit

00:45:59.720 and then she'll say

00:46:00.260 you know what

00:46:00.680 she has said before

00:46:02.080 impeachment should be

00:46:03.160 a bipartisan procedure

00:46:04.480 and Mitt Romney

00:46:05.380 is not going to suffice

00:46:07.260 you know I think that

00:46:08.500 I think that the

00:46:09.500 but you're talking

00:46:10.020 about the Senate

00:46:10.580 right

00:46:11.220 no yes but

00:46:11.900 no but

00:46:12.340 but she has said

00:46:13.220 impeachment should be

00:46:14.260 a bipartisan

00:46:14.820 venture

00:46:16.400 and I don't think

00:46:17.180 they're going to get

00:46:17.620 there with this

00:46:18.080 I'm willing to

00:46:18.600 I'm willing to put

00:46:19.340 a hundred bucks

00:46:19.800 on the table

00:46:20.260 that they impeach him

00:46:20.960 I think that the

00:46:21.540 2020 election

00:46:22.340 changed fundamentally

00:46:23.920 this week

00:46:24.460 and it will no longer

00:46:25.680 be a referendum

00:46:26.280 on Donald Trump

00:46:27.180 there will be a referendum

00:46:28.220 on the impeachment

00:46:28.940 of Donald Trump

00:46:29.680 because if Nancy Pelosi

00:46:30.960 no that's possible

00:46:31.500 I'm not saying

00:46:31.840 Nancy Pelosi does not

00:46:33.020 impeach Donald Trump

00:46:34.100 she's going to lose

00:46:35.880 the squad

00:46:36.500 she's going to lose

00:46:37.320 the left

00:46:37.820 like

00:46:38.160 I mean there's a head

00:46:39.120 count today

00:46:39.460 there are 211 Democrats

00:46:40.660 in favor of impeachment

00:46:41.460 they just need to get up

00:46:42.100 to 218

00:46:42.500 so I think the chances

00:46:44.040 that he's not impeached

00:46:44.760 are zero

00:46:45.120 I think that he

00:46:45.860 I think that he will

00:46:46.460 be impeached

00:46:46.980 I think that he will

00:46:47.560 be acquitted in the Senate

00:46:48.340 and I think you'll have

00:46:49.520 the 2000 election

00:46:50.340 if Bill Clinton

00:46:50.800 had had one term

00:46:51.420 and the

00:46:52.280 and I will say

00:46:53.680 that there are a couple

00:46:54.200 of other things

00:46:55.280 that matter here

00:46:55.720 one is

00:46:56.260 what this really signifies

00:46:58.040 Pelosi going forward

00:46:58.840 with this

00:46:59.140 is that the Democratic

00:47:00.060 Party has signed off

00:47:00.800 on Joe Biden

00:47:01.260 they're done with Joe Biden

00:47:02.480 yes

00:47:02.860 Biden is toast

00:47:04.200 I agree

00:47:04.700 basically

00:47:04.960 what they are basically

00:47:05.680 saying is

00:47:06.280 Elizabeth Warren

00:47:06.980 is our nominee

00:47:07.440 she's going to run 1.00

00:47:08.480 on an anti-corruption

00:47:09.360 platform

00:47:09.860 and she's going to say

00:47:11.580 I'm sorry

00:47:13.360 which by the way

00:47:15.720 which by the way

00:47:16.200 reminds me of a story

00:47:16.960 that was not covered

00:47:17.540 at all this week

00:47:18.360 I mean at all

00:47:19.100 but it's deeply suspicious

00:47:20.260 were you covering

00:47:20.860 this working families

00:47:22.040 party story

00:47:22.540 you know when it comes

00:47:23.660 to the Elizabeth Warren

00:47:25.880 things

00:47:26.080 where you can talk

00:47:26.480 the Elizabeth Warren story

00:47:27.500 I lost track

00:47:28.380 of all the things

00:47:29.720 going on

00:47:30.080 so the Elizabeth Warren

00:47:30.860 because of my story

00:47:31.760 I was so

00:47:32.900 I could not tear myself

00:47:36.160 away from the story

00:47:36.740 you're thinking

00:47:37.360 his wife is not

00:47:38.240 a deep sleeper

00:47:38.880 she drugs her 1.00

00:47:39.580 so

00:47:43.440 so Elizabeth Warren

00:47:45.600 so they're going to

00:47:46.600 try to run her 0.99

00:47:47.380 on the anti-corruption

00:47:48.380 yes

00:47:49.140 platform

00:47:49.740 you can laugh

00:47:50.440 and but the

00:47:51.780 but the story was

00:47:52.760 from this week

00:47:53.320 that everyone ignored

00:47:54.440 the working families

00:47:55.340 party endorsed

00:47:55.820 Elizabeth Warren

00:47:56.320 over Bernie Sanders

00:47:56.980 in 2016

00:47:57.860 endorsed Bernie Sanders

00:47:59.060 and the people

00:47:59.640 of the working families

00:48:00.620 party

00:48:00.960 there's a vote

00:48:02.600 of the population

00:48:03.360 who are the members

00:48:04.440 and then there's

00:48:05.220 the vote of the board

00:48:06.000 they released the breakdown

00:48:07.620 in 2016

00:48:08.440 87% of the members

00:48:10.520 of the working families

00:48:11.220 party voted

00:48:11.780 for Bernie Sanders

00:48:12.860 this time they endorsed

00:48:13.940 Elizabeth Warren

00:48:14.500 so what changed

00:48:15.720 you may ask yourself

00:48:16.480 one of the things

00:48:17.320 that changed

00:48:17.720 is that in 2017

00:48:18.660 2018

00:48:19.260 there's a group

00:48:19.800 called Demos

00:48:20.320 it is run by

00:48:21.320 Amelia Warren

00:48:22.420 Tiagi

00:48:22.780 who is the

00:48:23.920 daughter of Elizabeth Warren

00:48:25.520 and they gave

00:48:26.040 $45,000

00:48:26.760 to the working families

00:48:27.800 party

00:48:28.080 the working families

00:48:28.920 party then proceeded

00:48:29.560 to endorse

00:48:30.100 Elizabeth Warren

00:48:31.140 over Bernie Sanders

00:48:31.820 and not release

00:48:32.700 the breakdown

00:48:33.660 of the vote

00:48:34.860 because half of the vote

00:48:36.300 is by the board

00:48:36.920 and half of the vote

00:48:37.580 is by the people

00:48:38.580 and so basically

00:48:39.920 the assumption

00:48:40.940 the very fact

00:48:41.960 that they didn't

00:48:42.860 release it

00:48:43.400 is highly suspicious

00:48:44.860 I think that the

00:48:46.740 rip on Elizabeth Warren 0.50

00:48:47.720 is going to be

00:48:48.240 in the end

00:48:48.880 that she is

00:48:49.540 deeply insincere

00:48:50.500 because she is

00:48:51.600 she shifts her views

00:48:52.480 she's very manipulative 0.97

00:48:53.600 but she is a lot 0.98

00:48:55.000 better at this

00:48:55.400 than Hillary Clinton 1.00

00:48:56.220 and the Democratic Party

00:48:57.640 basically this week

00:48:58.400 gave up on Joe Biden

00:48:59.480 he's now trailing

00:49:00.400 in one national poll

00:49:01.520 he's trailing in Iowa

00:49:02.300 he's trailing in New Hampshire

00:49:03.100 she's within margin

00:49:03.800 of error in Nevada

00:49:05.320 and they're tied

00:49:06.180 in the UGO poll

00:49:06.960 nationally

00:49:07.500 right

00:49:08.000 and she is now

00:49:09.620 pulling into the lead

00:49:10.680 in California as well

00:49:12.300 so he is

00:49:13.040 he's done I think

00:49:14.060 I think we are seeing

00:49:14.860 the beginning of the end

00:49:15.600 of Joe Biden

00:49:16.260 barring some sort of

00:49:17.260 cataclysmic collapse

00:49:18.540 by Elizabeth Warren

00:49:19.960 and so it was

00:49:21.100 okay we see where

00:49:21.820 the momentum is going

00:49:22.520 yeah

00:49:22.920 if Biden goes down

00:49:24.160 over this whole

00:49:24.740 Ukraine thing

00:49:25.360 if we have to

00:49:26.280 push Biden over

00:49:27.240 in order to get

00:49:27.700 Trump to also

00:49:28.640 be knocked over

00:49:29.260 then I guess

00:49:30.020 that's what

00:49:30.420 we'll have to do

00:49:31.140 like if Biden

00:49:31.640 is seen as corrupt

00:49:32.160 and also Trump 0.92

00:49:32.780 is seen as corrupt

00:49:33.280 we can survive that

00:49:34.300 and so Elizabeth Warren

00:49:36.160 will be our nominee

00:49:36.720 she'll run on the

00:49:37.740 I'm the crusader

00:49:38.380 who started the

00:49:38.880 consumer finance

00:49:39.480 protection bureau

00:49:40.300 which isn't

00:49:41.160 which is a scam

00:49:42.140 but still

00:49:43.000 she has that image

00:49:44.100 and they'll run

00:49:45.620 that against Trump

00:49:46.940 and I mean

00:49:49.180 frankly I think

00:49:50.100 that people on the

00:49:50.980 right are a little

00:49:51.620 too sanguine

00:49:52.180 about how that

00:49:52.920 election goes

00:49:53.500 I agree

00:49:54.020 I agree

00:49:54.560 no she's a 1.00

00:49:55.100 disciplined good

00:49:55.980 candidate

00:49:56.240 I've been watching her

00:49:56.920 obviously the press

00:49:57.900 is backing her 100%

00:49:58.940 but still

00:49:59.640 she has a good 0.84

00:50:00.680 she doesn't have

00:50:01.240 the same vulnerabilities

00:50:02.040 as Hillary Clinton

00:50:02.720 she doesn't have

00:50:03.100 30 years of record

00:50:04.020 of being awfully corrupt

00:50:05.960 she never killed that guy 1.00

00:50:07.000 she didn't kill that guy 0.77

00:50:08.240 I think the Pocahontas 1.00

00:50:10.600 thing is a good hit

00:50:11.580 you know

00:50:12.120 you can only use it

00:50:13.280 so long

00:50:13.740 eventually they'll

00:50:14.440 come up with a strategy

00:50:15.240 about it

00:50:15.620 but I think it really 0.97

00:50:16.420 annoys black people 0.98

00:50:17.440 because it's look 0.99

00:50:18.480 in the same way

00:50:19.360 military people

00:50:20.160 see guys walk around

00:50:21.420 in uniform

00:50:21.860 but never served

00:50:22.600 as stolen valor

00:50:23.660 I think they see it

00:50:24.620 as stolen victimhood

00:50:25.620 and that she basically 0.85

00:50:27.000 pretended to be a minority

00:50:28.140 when she wasn't

00:50:28.800 I mean I think

00:50:29.260 the fact that she

00:50:30.020 lies about raising taxes

00:50:31.340 will hurt her

00:50:32.200 she's kind of like

00:50:33.680 she's a pretend believer

00:50:35.280 and I also think

00:50:36.400 at some point here

00:50:37.000 that Bernie Sanders

00:50:37.560 will open up his guns

00:50:38.400 on her

00:50:38.680 and so far he has been

00:50:39.520 pretty silent about her

00:50:40.460 he'll be forced

00:50:42.280 there is to Drew's point

00:50:43.480 there is a demographic

00:50:44.320 issue here

00:50:45.080 which is that

00:50:45.620 Joe Biden is the only

00:50:46.800 serious candidate

00:50:47.600 who has black support

00:50:48.660 and that's 0.96

00:50:49.580 obviously he's trailing

00:50:50.820 now it looks like

00:50:51.760 in Iowa

00:50:52.120 he's not looking

00:50:52.900 good in New Hampshire

00:50:53.500 and he dropped

00:50:53.980 18 points since May

00:50:54.880 in South Carolina

00:50:55.600 which is where 0.64

00:50:56.360 actual black

00:50:57.220 Democratic primary

00:50:58.060 voters are

00:50:58.600 so what happens

00:51:00.140 I mean does

00:51:00.880 Elizabeth Warren

00:51:01.440 pick up that support

00:51:02.260 she's starting to

00:51:02.800 she has

00:51:03.200 so what she has

00:51:04.160 shown that none

00:51:04.620 of the other

00:51:04.940 candidates have

00:51:05.640 she is rising

00:51:06.960 among all

00:51:07.340 demographic groups

00:51:08.020 right now

00:51:08.420 and so that was

00:51:09.520 always my supposition

00:51:10.360 is that it's

00:51:10.940 going to be hard

00:51:11.360 for her to remove 0.95

00:51:13.360 the black support 0.83

00:51:14.280 from him

00:51:14.740 but there's also

00:51:15.600 a momentum question

00:51:16.380 so the order of

00:51:17.100 the primaries

00:51:17.580 is Iowa

00:51:18.720 New Hampshire

00:51:19.160 Nevada

00:51:19.920 and South Carolina

00:51:21.300 if she wins

00:51:22.240 the first three

00:51:22.880 then he's toast

00:51:24.620 right because

00:51:25.320 then he gets

00:51:25.860 Super Tuesday

00:51:26.380 and that's California

00:51:28.000 that's Massachusetts

00:51:28.820 that's

00:51:29.660 and those are

00:51:30.560 going to go

00:51:30.840 further left

00:51:31.380 than Biden's

00:51:32.480 but remember

00:51:32.820 there's also

00:51:33.220 the issue

00:51:33.660 of whether 0.57

00:51:34.180 blacks turn out 1.00

00:51:35.280 to vote 0.71

00:51:35.660 I have been

00:51:36.260 saying for a long

00:51:37.240 time that I

00:51:37.820 think a lot

00:51:38.160 of more black

00:51:38.940 people are going 0.56

00:51:39.320 to vote

00:51:39.620 for Donald Trump

00:51:40.720 than the polls

00:51:41.200 will ever show

00:51:41.820 because I think

00:51:42.220 they'll lie about

00:51:42.760 it I think

00:51:43.280 they'll lie about

00:51:43.640 when they come

00:51:43.980 out of the voting

00:51:44.660 booth

00:51:44.880 and I think

00:51:45.500 that nobody's

00:51:46.020 going to see

00:51:46.320 it until

00:51:46.560 the election

00:51:46.840 the reverse

00:51:47.120 Bradley effect

00:51:47.780 but yeah

00:51:48.220 I don't think

00:51:50.540 that that's impossible

00:51:51.260 but I think

00:51:52.260 it's a hard

00:51:52.560 thing to speculate

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00:52:55.040 we absolutely

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00:52:56.440 it

00:52:56.560 Alicia

00:52:57.000 are you

00:52:57.900 with us

00:52:58.400 from Mission

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00:52:59.400 I'm ready

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00:53:00.800 that lead

00:53:01.240 up to how

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00:53:02.720 sounded as if

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00:53:09.580 Jacob says

00:53:10.760 do you guys

00:53:11.420 think that

00:53:11.740 Democrats know

00:53:12.580 that this

00:53:12.980 impeachment effort

00:53:13.880 will fail

00:53:14.560 and they're

00:53:14.960 just building

00:53:15.520 up to an

00:53:16.040 impeachment in

00:53:16.740 2022 midterms

00:53:18.280 if the Democrats

00:53:18.900 can take both

00:53:19.680 houses

00:53:20.060 can I take this

00:53:21.960 one

00:53:22.140 sure

00:53:22.420 yeah

00:53:22.800 I don't think

00:53:24.780 it fails

00:53:25.220 I think you have

00:53:26.120 to define

00:53:26.880 success

00:53:27.640 to be able to

00:53:28.520 measure it as to

00:53:29.180 whether or not

00:53:29.500 it's a success

00:53:30.020 or a failure

00:53:30.480 you assume

00:53:31.780 in saying that

00:53:32.460 it will fail

00:53:33.020 that the

00:53:33.800 intention of the

00:53:34.560 Democrats is to 0.94

00:53:35.240 remove Donald

00:53:35.880 Trump from office

00:53:37.240 through the

00:53:37.600 impeachment process

00:53:38.360 I don't think

00:53:39.220 that that

00:53:39.500 they're not crazy 0.80

00:53:41.380 enough to think 0.75

00:53:41.880 that they don't

00:53:42.520 control the Senate

00:53:43.200 they would have to

00:53:43.740 have not only

00:53:44.420 control of the

00:53:45.000 Senate but a

00:53:45.400 supermajority in

00:53:46.120 the Senate in

00:53:46.920 order to convict

00:53:47.520 impeachment happens

00:53:48.280 in the House

00:53:48.780 and then it goes

00:53:49.660 to the Senate

00:53:50.100 for conviction

00:53:50.660 right

00:53:50.920 so they're not

00:53:52.740 doing this to

00:53:53.440 remove Donald

00:53:54.180 Trump

00:53:54.380 they're doing it

00:53:55.220 actually because

00:53:56.140 of a lesson

00:53:56.620 I think because

00:53:57.300 of a lesson

00:53:57.760 that they learned

00:53:58.540 during the Obama

00:53:59.740 years

00:54:00.140 you'll remember

00:54:01.560 right after the

00:54:02.140 2012 election

00:54:02.960 that John Boehner

00:54:04.240 and Mitch McConnell

00:54:04.840 got together

00:54:05.380 and they had a

00:54:05.820 confab and John

00:54:06.700 Boehner came out

00:54:07.380 and said

00:54:07.800 we decided

00:54:09.560 that no matter

00:54:10.620 what Barack Obama

00:54:11.960 does under no

00:54:13.460 circumstances will

00:54:14.300 we impeach him

00:54:14.840 they said this

00:54:15.300 out loud

00:54:15.660 which would be

00:54:16.300 about like saying

00:54:17.460 no matter what

00:54:19.180 my five-year-old

00:54:20.180 does I will

00:54:21.460 never ever lock

00:54:22.640 up the drugs

00:54:23.400 drug cabinet is

00:54:25.900 open for business

00:54:26.500 you've removed

00:54:29.080 even the specter

00:54:30.740 of any kind of

00:54:32.780 constraints on the

00:54:33.640 office and we saw

00:54:34.520 what happened

00:54:34.960 Barack Obama

00:54:35.900 his first term

00:54:37.740 he was you know

00:54:39.240 further left than

00:54:39.840 any of us would

00:54:40.420 like of course

00:54:41.060 but he was with

00:54:42.180 the exception

00:54:42.600 of Obamacare

00:54:43.340 he was a normal

00:54:46.480 run-of-the-mill

00:54:47.060 Democrat

00:54:47.560 presidential candidate

00:54:48.300 his second term

00:54:49.600 is when he does

00:54:50.360 all the big social

00:54:51.320 moves to reorient

00:54:52.300 the country

00:54:52.860 sort of on a

00:54:54.320 trajectory toward

00:54:55.400 the left

00:54:55.740 and the Tea Party

00:54:57.380 was so incensed

00:54:58.680 no matter how many

00:54:59.640 times they sent

00:55:00.380 messages to our

00:55:02.560 politicians

00:55:02.980 we gave Ted

00:55:05.120 Kennedy's Senate

00:55:05.980 seat in

00:55:06.580 Massachusetts

00:55:07.360 to a Republican

00:55:09.180 to stop Barack

00:55:10.560 Obama's agenda

00:55:11.320 we gave the

00:55:12.400 House to the

00:55:12.860 Republicans to

00:55:13.380 stop Barack

00:55:13.800 Obama's agenda

00:55:14.420 we gave the

00:55:14.940 Senate to

00:55:15.320 Republicans to

00:55:15.960 stop Barack

00:55:16.380 Obama's agenda

00:55:16.600 thousand seats

00:55:17.040 around the

00:55:17.380 country

00:55:17.620 and then they

00:55:18.980 said yeah we've

00:55:19.780 got it all but

00:55:20.300 unless we have the

00:55:20.820 White House we're

00:55:21.300 not going to do

00:55:21.740 anything and in

00:55:23.680 many ways I think

00:55:24.780 that that decision

00:55:26.560 precipitates the

00:55:27.940 election of Donald

00:55:28.560 Trump as much as

00:55:29.200 any other thing

00:55:29.840 that happened

00:55:30.220 it incensed

00:55:31.500 the movement

00:55:33.420 and I think that

00:55:34.800 what Nancy Pelosi

00:55:35.760 learned from that

00:55:36.660 and it may be

00:55:37.500 she may have been 0.51

00:55:38.360 slow getting there

00:55:39.100 but I think she's

00:55:39.940 absorbed the lesson

00:55:40.640 now watching the

00:55:41.620 rise of the

00:55:43.700 Bernie Sanders fans

00:55:44.580 watching the rise

00:55:45.620 of the squad

00:55:46.260 watching the

00:55:46.820 popularity of AOC

00:55:47.780 she has come to

00:55:48.840 realize if we don't

00:55:50.440 take if we are not

00:55:51.660 seen to take major

00:55:53.980 action against this

00:55:54.940 president our own

00:55:56.280 base is not going

00:55:57.120 to show up for us

00:55:57.780 the rust belt

00:55:59.720 workers may show

00:56:00.520 up for us but

00:56:01.440 the actual

00:56:01.960 hard core

00:56:03.160 you have to

00:56:04.260 absorb rather than

00:56:05.020 marginal

00:56:05.340 that's right

00:56:05.840 you co-opt

00:56:06.380 rather than

00:56:06.780 and so it's a

00:56:07.520 huge victory for

00:56:08.560 her to impeach 0.98

00:56:09.260 the president

00:56:09.740 not because she's

00:56:10.780 trying to oust

00:56:12.000 him and you

00:56:12.640 might say right

00:56:13.320 but what if the

00:56:14.040 right rises to

00:56:15.720 his defense and

00:56:16.700 they lose the

00:56:17.300 election I think

00:56:18.380 Nancy Pelosi would 0.96

00:56:19.320 rather lose the

00:56:20.460 presidential election

00:56:21.320 of course of

00:56:22.160 course then lose

00:56:23.260 the support of the

00:56:24.040 base for the party

00:56:24.880 more generally

00:56:25.600 and for herself

00:56:26.280 and for herself

00:56:26.980 she made this

00:56:27.560 clear earlier this

00:56:28.140 year when she

00:56:28.580 refused to go up

00:56:29.080 against Ilhan

00:56:29.560 Omar

00:56:29.740 and so in many

00:56:30.700 ways she must 0.97

00:56:31.580 impeach the

00:56:32.320 president and it

00:56:33.540 is a victory

00:56:34.560 simply to have

00:56:35.460 done it

00:56:35.700 yeah I think

00:56:35.920 that's right

00:56:36.220 I'm not as

00:56:38.280 convinced it won't

00:56:39.360 happen so don't

00:56:40.000 think I'm saying

00:56:40.760 no you guys are

00:56:41.380 absolutely wrong

00:56:41.920 I think the odds

00:56:42.780 are a lot higher

00:56:43.960 against them

00:56:44.720 I don't think she

00:56:46.540 wants to do it

00:56:47.300 and I think

00:56:48.520 the thing is they

00:56:51.060 want to do this

00:56:51.680 kabuki show

00:56:52.140 there's an

00:56:52.580 amazing amazing

00:56:53.940 they get a lot

00:56:56.260 of what's the

00:56:57.820 word I'm looking

00:56:58.120 for encouragement

00:56:58.720 from the media

00:56:59.320 to do this

00:57:00.040 stuff so that's

00:57:01.240 the one reason I

00:57:02.000 think that they

00:57:02.480 might impeach

00:57:02.920 because the media

00:57:03.500 will go nuts

00:57:04.180 and it'll be 0.73

00:57:04.600 you know I mean

00:57:05.280 they've already

00:57:05.880 got them you

00:57:07.420 know suffering the 0.84

00:57:08.560 death penalty

00:57:08.940 my big problem

00:57:09.920 is not that I

00:57:10.600 can't see why

00:57:10.960 she wouldn't

00:57:11.180 want to do it

00:57:11.460 I totally see why

00:57:12.040 she wouldn't

00:57:12.300 want to do it

00:57:12.980 I do not see

00:57:13.800 how she walks

00:57:15.200 back there's just

00:57:16.040 no way I mean

00:57:16.600 she's come out

00:57:17.880 once you say

00:57:18.480 once she says

00:57:19.280 she can keep

00:57:19.940 the charade going

00:57:20.620 all for the rest

00:57:21.440 of her

00:57:21.460 but that gets

00:57:22.680 worse and worse

00:57:23.200 for her the closer

00:57:23.880 it gets to the

00:57:24.240 election if she's 1.00

00:57:25.080 going to impeach

00:57:25.520 him she needs to

00:57:26.080 impeach him by

00:57:26.600 Christmas

00:57:26.940 I don't know

00:57:28.060 because at some

00:57:28.460 point you can say

00:57:29.040 let's let the

00:57:29.700 people decide

00:57:30.200 at some point she

00:57:31.220 says let the

00:57:31.960 people decide

00:57:32.380 no she can't do

00:57:33.260 that she can't

00:57:34.740 she's going to

00:57:35.520 have to bring this

00:57:36.020 thing up for a

00:57:36.420 vote if it goes

00:57:37.620 down it goes

00:57:38.020 down but she's 1.00

00:57:38.560 going to have to

00:57:38.920 bring it up for a

00:57:39.360 vote there's even

00:57:39.740 a world where she

00:57:40.280 works behind the 0.99

00:57:41.020 scenes to kill it

00:57:41.920 exactly but there's

00:57:43.440 no world where she

00:57:44.160 doesn't bring it to

00:57:44.760 a vote it's the

00:57:45.420 reason I mean

00:57:45.960 listen a bunch of

00:57:47.400 the quote unquote

00:57:48.480 moderate Democrats

00:57:49.480 have are like they

00:57:50.800 they signed what was

00:57:52.080 her name as

00:57:52.780 Spanberger the one

00:57:54.160 who ran for Dave

00:57:55.300 Bratz seat in

00:57:56.400 Virginia right

00:57:57.060 right she just sent 0.98

00:57:57.780 that letter along

00:57:58.540 with seven other

00:57:59.000 moderate Democrats to

00:57:59.920 the Washington Post

00:58:00.600 calling for the

00:58:01.120 opening of the

00:58:01.500 impeachment inquiry

00:58:02.040 that's a pretty

00:58:02.820 good indicator that

00:58:03.480 even the moderates

00:58:04.020 in the party have

00:58:04.480 swung behind this

00:58:05.040 thing yeah Alicia

00:58:07.040 question number

00:58:07.940 two Ken says is

00:58:09.620 Trump jumping into

00:58:10.440 the California

00:58:11.000 homeless crisis a

00:58:12.040 good campaign

00:58:12.700 strategy or is it

00:58:13.680 just a waste of

00:58:14.340 time in a state we

00:58:15.500 all know he can't

00:58:16.240 win I actually want

00:58:17.840 to take two

00:58:18.200 questions in a row

00:58:18.860 because it's the

00:58:19.280 same question it's

00:58:20.840 the exact same

00:58:21.420 question because your

00:58:22.480 premise is that he

00:58:25.340 wants to fix the

00:58:26.160 homeless problem in

00:58:27.000 California of course

00:58:28.080 that's that would be

00:58:29.260 insane if Donald

00:58:30.060 Trump thinks that him

00:58:31.120 getting behind an

00:58:31.740 issue will change the

00:58:32.580 hearts and minds of

00:58:33.760 California stuff no

00:58:34.980 it's a huge win for

00:58:36.320 Donald Trump because

00:58:37.420 the premise is that

00:58:39.160 the average Republican

00:58:40.420 voter in the country

00:58:41.600 despises California

00:58:43.940 and so he's he wades

00:58:46.160 into this and he wins

00:58:47.260 automatically to think

00:58:48.720 that it's about changing

00:58:49.520 something it's a troll 0.98

00:58:50.260 it's a troll it's a 0.89

00:58:51.560 big troll and it also 0.98

00:58:53.080 the homeless problem in

00:58:54.380 LA in particular for

00:58:55.680 those of the people who

00:58:56.700 don't know it's increased

00:58:58.260 16% in one year the

00:59:00.700 homeless population in

00:59:01.700 just LA city what what

00:59:03.080 happened one year ago

00:59:04.180 well yeah I don't it's

00:59:05.620 so uh gosh I don't I

00:59:07.320 don't know I couldn't

00:59:07.780 couldn't possibly

00:59:08.220 remember I uh San

00:59:09.440 Francisco same thing

00:59:10.100 crazy homelessness

00:59:10.980 problem I this is

00:59:12.300 something I like about

00:59:13.000 Trump though he he

00:59:13.860 knows not only how to

00:59:14.880 troll but how to pick

00:59:15.900 issues whereas kind of 0.99

00:59:17.220 the old egghead

00:59:18.120 Republicans think that

00:59:19.380 people are going to

00:59:19.960 jump out of bed because

00:59:21.240 they're so excited about

00:59:22.560 the upper quintile and

00:59:24.140 the marginal tax rate

00:59:25.140 like nobody gets

00:59:26.260 excited about that

00:59:27.040 except for us the

00:59:28.100 people in this room but

00:59:29.080 the thing you get

00:59:30.480 excited for is hey 0.99

00:59:31.540 those filthy dirty 1.00

00:59:32.440 rotten bums on the 1.00

00:59:33.300 street who are leaving 0.99

00:59:34.540 needles all over the

00:59:35.500 place and affecting my

00:59:36.680 kids walk to school in

00:59:37.680 crazy California in crazy

00:59:39.200 California in la la land

00:59:41.140 I want the president to

00:59:42.440 talk about that that

00:59:43.260 looks really great now do

00:59:44.140 the sympathetic version of

00:59:44.920 that place the was that

00:59:47.280 not the sympathetic

00:59:47.840 version the sympathetic

00:59:49.460 version is there are a

00:59:50.200 lot of people who are

00:59:50.780 suffering living on the

00:59:51.560 streets oh yeah pair of

00:59:52.540 them oh yeah and that

00:59:53.280 they are and that it is a

00:59:54.320 problem for everybody

00:59:55.000 who's a taxpaying citizen

00:59:55.920 of the city of Los Angeles

00:59:57.340 okay that's the

00:59:57.840 sympathetic this is also

00:59:59.060 real real and I know

01:00:00.160 that that's what Knowles

01:00:00.740 actually means but I'm

01:00:01.460 just going to clarify that

01:00:02.620 for everyone's other

01:00:03.620 purpose and if you want to

01:00:04.540 fix it you have to get

01:00:05.620 rid of Gavin Newsom because

01:00:07.000 if you if you elect the

01:00:08.000 guy who turned San

01:00:09.040 Francisco into one big

01:00:11.020 homeless refugee camp

01:00:12.180 right to be governor of

01:00:13.140 the entire state you can't

01:00:14.500 be surprised if a year

01:00:16.000 later homelessness in the

01:00:17.760 rest of the state has

01:00:18.560 also and this is actually

01:00:19.960 a real point this is a

01:00:20.820 real by the way I think it

01:00:21.660 is true by the way I feel

01:00:22.360 like you are not helping

01:00:23.680 any of the homeless people

01:00:24.460 by what they do in

01:00:25.140 California no it's not

01:00:25.940 I mean a huge percentage

01:00:29.720 of these folks are drug

01:00:30.520 addicts a huge percent of

01:00:31.540 them are suffering from 0.89

01:00:32.300 serious mental disorders 0.94

01:00:33.580 right they're dangerous to

01:00:34.820 themselves or they're

01:00:35.620 dangerous to others it is

01:00:36.540 nothing but cruelty that

01:00:38.040 leave people living in

01:00:39.180 their own filth and feces on

01:00:40.880 the streets and call

01:00:41.640 yourself a liberated I would

01:00:43.440 start I would start by

01:00:45.200 making it illegal to be

01:00:46.780 homeless and then just not

01:00:48.420 to not to hurt the

01:00:49.180 homeless people to force the 1.00

01:00:50.660 government to start

01:00:51.320 building emergency

01:00:52.040 shelters yes like getting

01:00:53.260 them off the street it

01:00:53.900 should be illegal you may

01:00:54.640 not know that the city

01:00:55.500 council of LA actually did

01:00:57.000 pass a measure to build

01:00:59.340 emergency housing they did

01:01:00.580 1.7 billion dollars average

01:01:03.220 cost per unit yeah 517

01:01:06.660 thousand dollars and it's

01:01:08.100 going to take a decade to

01:01:09.220 that's ridiculous the real

01:01:10.560 aspect of the I mean jokes

01:01:11.720 aside like the actual

01:01:12.740 aspect of this for Trump is

01:01:14.200 that you do have this major

01:01:15.580 opioid epidemic you do have

01:01:17.560 a lot of veterans who are

01:01:18.700 living on the street you do

01:01:19.560 have a lot of actually very

01:01:20.820 sympathetic and empathetic

01:01:21.900 people who have been left

01:01:23.160 behind and you have a

01:01:24.380 major problem you know you

01:01:25.860 have major taxpayers I mean

01:01:27.240 like I've lived here my

01:01:28.200 entire life my entire life

01:01:30.100 and nice suburban areas you

01:01:32.180 now have to worry about open

01:01:33.260 needles on the streets right

01:01:34.380 and people who are talking

01:01:35.420 to themselves and haven't

01:01:36.880 bathed in several weeks

01:01:38.180 walking by your kids on the

01:01:39.380 street and what people who

01:01:40.140 don't live in California don't

01:01:41.340 know maybe that we pay 13% in

01:01:45.140 state income tax and it's

01:01:46.660 13% in the richest state in

01:01:49.860 the country the fifth largest

01:01:50.920 economy in the world in

01:01:52.300 addition to our federal

01:01:53.280 income tax we pay about half

01:01:55.640 of the national taxes again

01:01:57.340 just to the state of

01:01:58.540 California we have potholes

01:02:00.060 and needles on the street

01:02:01.040 and it's important it's

01:02:01.820 important to say too though

01:02:02.960 you know unlike unlike

01:02:03.980 Knowles I do care very

01:02:05.060 deeply about that I have a

01:02:06.320 real heart for the

01:02:06.820 homeless I do I do believe

01:02:08.320 that they're sick many people

01:02:10.180 are sick and addiction is a

01:02:11.380 kind of sickness I mean

01:02:12.400 and it's an author

01:02:12.920 and it's an author

01:02:13.520 and it's an author

01:02:14.100 but having said that having

01:02:16.660 said that it's not wrong

01:02:17.940 also to worry about the

01:02:19.600 normal people who we have

01:02:20.740 when you have a city it has

01:02:22.460 to be a livable place there

01:02:23.740 have to be places for the

01:02:24.600 rich to live there have to

01:02:25.360 be places for the middle

01:02:26.120 class to live good places

01:02:27.380 for for the lower class to

01:02:28.960 live that's the way a city

01:02:30.100 works and if it doesn't work

01:02:31.060 that way it ain't working

01:02:31.980 yeah right I promise not to

01:02:33.860 be the first person to answer

01:02:34.840 the third question

01:02:35.720 Alicia

01:02:36.140 I'm just gonna you know call

01:02:38.140 an audible and take the

01:02:39.240 third question just kidding

01:02:40.480 this question comes from

01:02:41.740 Thomas he says since

01:02:43.160 2016 he's been saying that

01:02:45.060 the left and the right are

01:02:46.220 watching the same screen but

01:02:47.680 seemingly a different movie

01:02:49.160 how did we get here and how

01:02:50.500 do we get past it guys I

01:02:51.620 have no we we got here

01:02:55.360 because we wanted it this

01:02:56.820 is what we wanted this was

01:02:57.880 the purpose of the

01:02:58.700 conservative movement this

01:03:00.120 was I mean it may be now

01:03:01.500 we don't like the results of

01:03:02.660 it but the purpose of the

01:03:03.780 conservative movement that

01:03:04.600 Phyllis Schlafly and Barry

01:03:05.580 Goldwater and Bill Buckley

01:03:06.600 talked about was to create a

01:03:08.180 choice not an echo and to

01:03:09.960 break up that liberal

01:03:10.920 consensus one of the

01:03:12.080 complaints about political

01:03:13.780 scientists in the 30s and

01:03:15.020 40s was that the two

01:03:16.240 parties were indistinguishable

01:03:17.580 they didn't have any real

01:03:18.660 ideological character to

01:03:19.880 them and so Buckley comes

01:03:21.180 in and takes a liberal

01:03:22.360 Republican Party and turns

01:03:23.820 it into a conservative

01:03:24.540 party and the parties have

01:03:25.900 become polarized over the

01:03:27.460 years more and more so in

01:03:28.900 many ways you also had the

01:03:29.800 new left come in in the

01:03:31.000 1960s actually right around

01:03:32.260 the same time that the

01:03:33.300 conservative movement was

01:03:34.120 blowing up you had the

01:03:35.320 Democratic Party moving

01:03:36.600 further to the left this is

01:03:38.340 not great for national unity

01:03:39.700 and you had a breakdown of

01:03:40.740 common culture that

01:03:41.580 coincided at this exact time

01:03:43.220 but it does give you a

01:03:45.160 choice it just gives you

01:03:46.260 less in common with your

01:03:47.120 citizens I'll give you a 0.97

01:03:47.740 different answer and a

01:03:48.680 better answer the better

01:03:51.760 answer is that the media

01:03:52.540 did this and what I say

01:03:53.660 and the reason that I say

01:03:55.280 the media did this is

01:03:55.960 because what the media did

01:03:56.920 is they did the very

01:03:58.320 horrible and dishonest

01:03:59.620 thing of conflating fact and

01:04:00.820 opinion and so people

01:04:02.280 started saying okay well

01:04:03.840 hold up if you are

01:04:05.420 conflating fact and opinion

01:04:06.500 and you are saying that

01:04:07.160 your opinion is fact and I

01:04:08.300 can look at the same fact

01:04:09.200 pattern and derive a

01:04:10.180 completely different opinion

01:04:11.860 from that and my opinion

01:04:13.940 is also fact so you're

01:04:16.060 looking at the same fact

01:04:16.860 pattern and you have

01:04:17.840 people who are taking

01:04:18.560 their opinions and

01:04:19.340 mistaking those for facts

01:04:20.860 to the point where we

01:04:21.640 can't even agree on the

01:04:22.320 central facts anymore

01:04:23.100 whereas if you can start a

01:04:24.660 conversation by saying

01:04:25.420 okay here's the basis for

01:04:26.320 the conversation this fact

01:04:27.600 this fact this fact now

01:04:28.860 let's do opinion then you

01:04:30.260 can have a conversation with

01:04:31.100 people but when somebody

01:04:32.520 takes the facts and so

01:04:33.720 ingests it and digests it

01:04:35.480 into their own opinion that

01:04:36.820 it becomes an integral part of

01:04:38.140 their opinion and the

01:04:38.920 opinion is on you cannot

01:04:40.400 separate it out from the

01:04:41.440 fact and then somebody

01:04:42.500 else says well I can do

01:04:43.120 the same thing with that

01:04:43.680 set of facts what you end

01:04:44.760 up with is these two

01:04:45.600 agglomerations of opinion

01:04:46.760 and fact in which you

01:04:48.360 can't tell the opinion

01:04:49.000 from the fact and they

01:04:49.800 have no relationship

01:04:50.700 but I suppose seriously

01:04:52.000 it's a seriously harmful

01:04:53.080 thing to have so much of

01:04:55.300 the communications

01:04:56.300 machinery of the country

01:04:58.400 in the hands of one

01:04:59.260 party it really is a

01:05:00.460 seriously divisive thing

01:05:01.560 and it means that it

01:05:02.660 means that guys want to

01:05:03.740 call BS on everything

01:05:04.640 right so when they're

01:05:05.420 even when this is this

01:05:06.460 has been my complaint

01:05:07.260 about Trump's use of

01:05:08.060 fake news is Trump

01:05:08.820 will say fake news and

01:05:09.980 half the time he's of

01:05:10.620 course exactly right

01:05:11.340 and half the time he's

01:05:12.500 saying it about something

01:05:13.080 that is obviously not

01:05:14.280 fake news and the

01:05:15.660 problem is that because

01:05:16.940 the media are in fact

01:05:18.560 the fake news as

01:05:19.980 characterized because

01:05:20.700 they're not news people

01:05:21.600 because they're opinion

01:05:22.260 people then when he

01:05:23.820 says fake news we all

01:05:25.260 go okay so everything

01:05:25.940 they're saying is a lie

01:05:27.040 well and so that is

01:05:28.000 also by the way

01:05:28.560 even when he's wrong

01:05:29.640 right

01:05:29.940 but yeah I guess my

01:05:32.120 only I want to hit the

01:05:33.020 media as much as

01:05:33.660 he's always right even

01:05:34.280 when he's wrong

01:05:34.740 no I mean it's always

01:05:38.420 always is fake news even

01:05:39.700 when they get the story

01:05:40.560 right because it's always

01:05:41.520 on one side

01:05:42.100 right my only point I

01:05:43.780 can't believe I'm

01:05:44.460 defending the media this

01:05:45.320 is awful

01:05:45.640 I just I do always go

01:05:47.240 back to that Mencken

01:05:48.000 line about democracy

01:05:49.000 that democracy is the

01:05:50.160 theory that the people

01:05:50.820 know what they want and

01:05:51.680 they deserve to get it

01:05:52.420 good and hard and that

01:05:53.780 we do in the media we

01:05:56.140 get the media that we

01:05:57.000 want in many ways I

01:05:58.120 mean there are huge

01:05:58.660 corrupt institutions and

01:05:59.680 it's all run by one

01:06:00.400 party but we do get a

01:06:02.240 certain amount of

01:06:02.780 sensationalism we do

01:06:03.960 get the blurring of fact

01:06:04.820 and opinion that people

01:06:05.840 do desire there is not

01:06:07.180 as much of a market for

01:06:08.440 more bland journalism

01:06:10.220 that is just straight

01:06:11.280 facts

01:06:11.560 that's totally fair but

01:06:13.260 it's also true that

01:06:14.960 corporations have glommed

01:06:16.680 on to the fact that big

01:06:17.840 government is good for

01:06:18.560 corporations and they

01:06:19.700 just all they they

01:06:20.700 don't even I was talking

01:06:21.620 about this on the show

01:06:22.400 this week they don't

01:06:22.960 even have to be corrupt

01:06:23.940 all they have to do is

01:06:24.780 hire people who all have 0.52

01:06:25.880 the same opinion and

01:06:26.920 they will begin to think

01:06:27.680 that that's reality

01:06:28.380 it's just a psychological

01:06:29.380 fact

01:06:30.100 so we're going to come

01:06:31.800 back and have a few

01:06:32.360 more questions but

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01:07:58.980 yeah I just want to mention

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01:08:02.360 Carson King story out of

01:08:03.160 yes yes yes okay so for

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01:08:14.660 football game and he was

01:08:16.280 outside at ESPN college game

01:08:17.920 day and he was holding up a

01:08:19.000 sign that said I want

01:08:20.540 something like I want more

01:08:21.600 funds for beer Venmo and

01:08:23.180 they put his Venmo and

01:08:24.420 this became a viral thing

01:08:25.500 and he raised 1.14 million

01:08:28.620 dollars going after beer

01:08:29.880 money going after beer

01:08:30.740 money and he proceeded to

01:08:32.360 then give 1 million dollars

01:08:33.840 to cancer research at the

01:08:35.180 University of Iowa which is

01:08:36.080 a phenomenal story this guy

01:08:37.500 is not living high on the

01:08:38.780 hog he's a security guard he 0.90

01:08:40.260 could have used that

01:08:40.880 million dollars it still

01:08:41.860 would have been a funny

01:08:42.340 story to make a guy rich

01:08:43.600 overnight for holding up a

01:08:44.960 sign that says I want beer

01:08:45.880 right and and he didn't do

01:08:47.240 that he took the money and

01:08:48.180 he gave for cancer research

01:08:49.060 which is a studly thing

01:08:50.180 children wasn't a

01:08:50.940 children's children's

01:08:51.880 yeah right it was

01:08:52.980 unbelievable the Des Moines

01:08:54.240 Register reports on this

01:08:55.200 then the Des Moines

01:08:55.920 Register starts checking

01:08:57.060 through his Twitter

01:08:57.580 history they dig up a

01:08:59.080 couple of tweets that he

01:09:00.220 made that were apparently

01:09:01.040 references to Tosh.0 back in

01:09:03.740 like eight years ago so back

01:09:05.840 in 2011 and then they

01:09:07.680 canceled him Anheuser-Busch

01:09:09.000 which was forming a

01:09:09.660 relationship with him to

01:09:10.380 match his donations and

01:09:11.280 then they might have done

01:09:11.880 ads with him or something

01:09:12.600 they canceled it because

01:09:13.660 they said his values don't

01:09:14.680 match our values and

01:09:16.000 suddenly a guy who no one

01:09:17.860 had heard of until five

01:09:18.940 seconds ago and only had

01:09:20.180 heard of because he did an

01:09:21.040 unbelievably cool thing

01:09:22.520 suddenly is canceled and

01:09:24.540 the good news is that

01:09:25.600 people really rallied

01:09:26.240 around him the Des Moines

01:09:26.880 Register got crushed and

01:09:28.520 they lost an enormous

01:09:29.620 amount and they lost a

01:09:31.400 bunch of subscribers people

01:09:32.740 like on mass unsubscribed

01:09:34.140 from the Des Moines

01:09:34.540 Register the the state of

01:09:36.640 Iowa passed a car they're 0.78

01:09:38.140 going to declare one of

01:09:38.780 these days a Carson King

01:09:39.600 Day yeah as well as well

01:09:41.300 they should because F these

01:09:42.720 people really honestly if

01:09:43.820 your life is about digging

01:09:44.860 through people's past tweets 0.99

01:09:46.980 and the crap that they've 0.98

01:09:48.180 said 10 years ago or even 0.99

01:09:49.760 five years ago which they

01:09:51.040 may disagree with right

01:09:52.160 now and your life is about

01:09:53.380 that because they got

01:09:54.480 famous and you didn't and

01:09:55.320 you're a jealous little 1.00

01:09:55.920 piece well then this is the 0.85

01:09:57.460 thing the people who do

01:09:58.780 this have never

01:09:59.300 accomplished anything

01:10:00.100 these guys win Heisman

01:10:01.280 trophies they get to host

01:10:02.560 the Oscars and the people

01:10:03.620 who take them down have

01:10:04.840 done nothing right and

01:10:05.700 the only reason they do it

01:10:07.000 is because the person

01:10:07.720 became successful no one

01:10:08.640 cared about Kevin Hart doing

01:10:09.640 anything of course until

01:10:10.460 Kevin Hart and the minute

01:10:11.440 you reach that apex then

01:10:12.660 all the guns train in and

01:10:13.820 it's like well if I take

01:10:14.720 down that guy then I'm

01:10:16.160 famous and better and you

01:10:17.060 know what you're not

01:10:17.500 famous you're not better

01:10:18.260 you're just a piece of

01:10:19.000 and you know it is it is

01:10:20.440 does apply to Donald

01:10:21.820 Trump the one the one

01:10:22.860 thing is I know we pick

01:10:23.780 we all pick on Trump

01:10:24.660 even I pick on and I do

01:10:26.500 but this yeah for the

01:10:27.320 stuff I do not a lot but I

01:10:30.340 do but the barnacles off 0.68

01:10:31.580 his back isn't but but it

01:10:36.300 takes it takes a certain

01:10:37.440 amount of craziness to

01:10:38.400 stand up to these people

01:10:39.460 and I literally I heard

01:10:41.000 this story today by the

01:10:41.640 way I turned to Jeremy

01:10:42.420 and the first you can ask

01:10:43.860 him the first thing that I

01:10:44.720 said was this is where

01:10:46.800 Donald Trump is yeah an

01:10:48.700 amazing like an important

01:10:49.960 amazing figure it's why he

01:10:51.340 I mean I even turned to

01:10:52.200 somebody today I think it

01:10:53.200 might have been you

01:10:53.660 actually yeah and I was

01:10:54.640 like listen I'm not asking

01:10:55.660 that Trump not be kind of 0.80

01:10:56.640 garbagey like yeah just like 0.64

01:10:58.180 take it down like 20

01:10:59.360 yeah I know right like we

01:11:00.740 all feel that way because

01:11:01.480 because if he could if he

01:11:03.160 could just be a culture

01:11:03.960 warrior on issues like this

01:11:05.200 he'd be president forever

01:11:06.620 yeah really because like

01:11:07.840 this kind of stuff I think

01:11:08.860 that no one in the country

01:11:10.020 has a taste for this except

01:11:10.820 for the woke left on

01:11:11.600 Twitter and the people they

01:11:13.340 can intimidate can I can I

01:11:14.880 ask a question bring you

01:11:16.140 back to a topic that you

01:11:17.100 had before no you brought

01:11:18.620 you brought this up before

01:11:19.380 and I so agree with this

01:11:20.860 about the fact that the

01:11:22.560 intelligence community is

01:11:24.720 now working with the press

01:11:26.280 to basically get the

01:11:28.280 government they want and

01:11:29.320 cancel out it is a deep

01:11:31.100 state thing I didn't even

01:11:32.240 believe in that stuff until

01:11:33.060 now it's pretty it's pretty

01:11:33.940 Kim Strassel Kim Strassel

01:11:35.560 ran a piece I think it was

01:11:36.720 last week she's been doing

01:11:37.600 a great work about Obamagate

01:11:38.940 and how this all started and

01:11:40.440 she said you know what if

01:11:41.480 you watch the timing just

01:11:43.320 before a story breaks that's

01:11:44.880 about to expose the

01:11:45.600 intelligence community an

01:11:46.840 anonymous intelligence leak

01:11:48.140 brings a story to the fore

01:11:50.200 that what you know threatens

01:11:51.680 to wipe it off the front

01:11:52.920 page we know that the IG the

01:11:54.680 inspector general of the DOJ

01:11:55.940 has turned in the first

01:11:57.400 draft of his looking into how

01:11:59.120 this collusion story got

01:12:00.420 started and then this leak

01:12:01.900 comes from a partisan

01:12:03.080 whistleblower guy we think is

01:12:04.580 a partisan whistleblower on a

01:12:06.320 story that he wasn't involved

01:12:08.560 in basically does that change

01:12:12.020 your calculation of how you

01:12:13.900 treat Donald Trump because

01:12:14.840 it has I totally admit I say

01:12:16.780 this on the show all the time 0.96

01:12:17.720 I'm not calling balls and

01:12:19.180 strikes I'm not calling balls

01:12:20.220 and strikes because the two

01:12:20.920 teams are not playing for the

01:12:22.400 same thing that one of the

01:12:23.760 teams is actually playing

01:12:24.940 it to have a deep state

01:12:27.080 listen I've always said I call

01:12:28.140 balls and strikes but I'm

01:12:28.980 calling balls and strikes as a

01:12:29.920 conservative meaning that I

01:12:30.960 can agree with everything you

01:12:31.760 just said and also think that

01:12:32.660 the president shouldn't engage

01:12:33.640 in quid pro quo with oh I do

01:12:35.240 so it is so but it doesn't

01:12:37.380 change my no it doesn't change

01:12:38.700 my estimation of Trump it

01:12:39.660 changes my estimation of the

01:12:41.400 threats that face the country

01:12:42.420 but just in meaning that I

01:12:43.460 reality though there's an up

01:12:44.580 the level at which like

01:12:45.920 there's times when I say gee

01:12:47.140 you know Trump I'd like to go 0.97

01:12:48.940 and slap him for what he did 0.94

01:12:50.480 but the the other side they

01:12:52.980 hate the first amendment they

01:12:53.960 hate the second amendment

01:12:54.700 they're socialists they're

01:12:55.640 open socialists they say

01:12:56.600 America was never great

01:12:57.720 they're not patriots so well

01:13:00.340 I mean if what you mean is he

01:13:02.860 stands in sharper relief of

01:13:04.180 course that's true but I don't

01:13:06.200 feel like my opinion of him has

01:13:07.280 changed I feel like my opinion

01:13:08.100 of the left has changed so it's 0.98

01:13:09.360 like making the blacks blacker 1.00

01:13:10.800 on a on a TV screen right you

01:13:12.920 haven't actually made the

01:13:13.400 whites whiter you just made the 0.98

01:13:14.260 blacks black yeah right and so 0.99

01:13:15.720 yes the contrast is wider the 0.53

01:13:18.900 contrast is wider I I feel about

01:13:20.820 Donald Trump basically the same

01:13:21.920 way I felt every day since he

01:13:23.320 became a public figure again in

01:13:24.480 2015 right I don't really think

01:13:25.880 as a character I've changed my

01:13:27.520 opinion about Trump there are

01:13:28.580 certain things I've changed my

01:13:29.400 opinion about his politics yeah

01:13:31.160 the effectiveness of his

01:13:32.100 approach right those things I

01:13:33.280 feel like I've changed my

01:13:33.960 opinion about and been pretty

01:13:34.740 obvious about that but when it

01:13:36.240 comes to does it change my

01:13:38.020 opinion of of him it no because

01:13:40.600 I think that regardless of what

01:13:41.900 the intelligence community I mean

01:13:43.520 he was saying deep state when I

01:13:44.740 didn't think that the deep state

01:13:45.740 was a thing he's still saying

01:13:47.080 deep state so now I just think

01:13:49.460 he's right so it's so it's so I

01:13:51.560 think that you know it if it's

01:13:56.220 changed in any way I will say that

01:13:58.200 I always thought he had good gut

01:13:59.740 instincts yeah maybe they're even

01:14:01.320 better than I thought they were

01:14:02.100 meaning that he can sense he can

01:14:04.560 sense enemies very quickly yeah

01:14:07.980 very very good at sensing enemies

01:14:09.980 he's got almost in an innate

01:14:11.780 uncanny sense being able to spot

01:14:13.660 when somebody's threat to him and

01:14:15.260 he will call that out now I think

01:14:17.040 he's over applied that but in an

01:14:19.660 arena of danger which is what

01:14:20.740 politics is I think that he is

01:14:22.000 that's an effective skill and I

01:14:23.320 would say this I think that what

01:14:24.320 you're what you're really trying to

01:14:26.160 get out of the question is you're

01:14:30.500 just curious I want to know well

01:14:31.700 I think yeah but I think you're

01:14:32.600 trying to get me to answer a

01:14:33.500 question on a set of terms that I

01:14:35.000 that I don't accept because I

01:14:36.200 think where we really disagree

01:14:38.020 fundamentally is actually a little

01:14:40.060 bit higher than the question than

01:14:41.240 than the question of Donald Trump

01:14:42.460 it's in two ways of looking at the

01:14:44.400 world you look at the world as though

01:14:48.220 there are no there only is what is

01:14:51.340 I like looking at the world as if

01:14:54.100 there only is what is from a making

01:14:58.080 decisions about how you're going to

01:14:59.120 behave in a moment point of view

01:15:00.480 but I don't like it in these more

01:15:02.080 philosophical conversations

01:15:03.220 because it just supposes too much

01:15:05.720 in my view so in some ways what

01:15:07.700 you're saying when you ask about

01:15:08.700 well your entire approach to the

01:15:10.500 election for example your approach

01:15:12.040 to the election is it's going to be

01:15:14.040 Donald Trump or it's going to be

01:15:15.980 Hillary Clinton yes that was my

01:15:17.700 approach to the election this is your

01:15:18.580 approach to the election and I think

01:15:19.640 what you're asking me right now is

01:15:20.880 since the left is revealed to be

01:15:23.220 worse and worse and worse and the

01:15:24.440 bureaucracy a bigger and bigger

01:15:25.680 threat in the intelligence community a

01:15:27.300 bigger and bigger and bigger threat

01:15:28.780 doesn't that make you have to support

01:15:30.720 Trump more because he is the thing

01:15:32.880 that's standing in the gap right now

01:15:34.460 and that is true that right now he's

01:15:36.580 the thing standing in the gap I would

01:15:40.360 not support him being bad even to

01:15:43.520 defeat things that are worse that's the

01:15:45.980 line that I that's the line that I can't

01:15:47.320 cross because I don't accept that it's

01:15:49.340 that binary I don't accept that the only

01:15:51.580 options are that we sully ourselves

01:15:54.460 completely in in an attempt to stand

01:15:57.080 against them or we sell or we surrender

01:16:00.140 or we surrender I just don't think that

01:16:01.820 those are the only two options and I

01:16:03.340 don't think that corrupted listen is

01:16:06.320 there am I willing to get my hands

01:16:07.740 dirty sure am I willing to get messy

01:16:09.560 yeah well I vote for the guy in this

01:16:11.400 reelection likely I think we took out a

01:16:14.940 lot of miles between here and real

01:16:16.920 between here and the election and in this

01:16:18.820 new cycle and we could learn anything if

01:16:21.460 if the election were today would I vote

01:16:23.260 for the for Donald Trump to be president I

01:16:24.920 would so it's not some sort of pristine

01:16:27.540 pure like the super never Trumper

01:16:30.680 position you know the the the remaining

01:16:32.600 never Trumper all five of them all five

01:16:35.320 that's not my that's not my position but

01:16:38.380 it's sort of like in a war to use an

01:16:42.340 analogy if if we are in a war and the

01:16:44.480 question is if we have to fly our bombers

01:16:47.900 at altitude because there's so much flack

01:16:51.620 that if we fly low and slow we're going

01:16:54.260 to lose all of our planes and not hit any

01:16:55.460 targets and therefore we have to fly

01:16:57.580 high and fast and the the result of

01:16:59.940 flying high and fast as it was in in

01:17:02.180 Western Europe in World War II is that 0.97

01:17:04.280 our bombs aren't going to be as precise

01:17:05.860 and we're going to kill more civilians 0.91

01:17:07.700 but is the only way to defeat the 0.97

01:17:10.240 machinery of Nazi Germany then you make 0.90

01:17:12.720 the decision that Churchill made and you

01:17:14.140 go we're going to fly high and fast and

01:17:15.920 we're going to get rid of the Nazis even 0.95

01:17:18.920 if it requires us to get our hands dirty

01:17:20.340 I'm all for that but if what Churchill

01:17:23.320 had said is we need to go to every town

01:17:25.760 and village that we liberate and anyone

01:17:27.600 who speaks German we need to put in

01:17:29.020 camps and we need to work them until 0.99

01:17:31.060 they die or put them in gas chambers I 0.51

01:17:33.640 would go oh well yeah no I I'm not 0.99

01:17:37.420 willing to be that to beat them because

01:17:39.780 I reject the premise that us being that

01:17:41.820 defeats them well I agree with that is

01:17:43.760 they change but I agree with that I guess

01:17:45.940 I guess maybe what Jeremy's asking is

01:17:47.240 for you to be a little more precise in

01:17:48.160 the question what exactly do you want

01:17:49.460 me to change in my opinion about Trump

01:17:50.860 well I guess what what I mean is when

01:17:53.120 I openly say this I'll openly say Joe 0.99

01:17:55.240 Trump did a really stupid thing that I 1.00

01:17:56.660 hate but you know it's not it doesn't 1.00

01:17:59.720 cross that threshold an election is a

01:18:01.960 binary choice the world is not a binary 0.62

01:18:03.980 place that's why politics can make you 1.00

01:18:05.540 stupid right because sometimes you have 1.00

01:18:07.140 to do the dirty thing to get get the 1.00

01:18:09.420 right result there is something that he

01:18:11.220 could do though of course there is of

01:18:12.660 course there is but I'm asking is has

01:18:15.740 that there is something no question

01:18:17.760 about we all agree on this and we might

01:18:19.540 not agree on the exact place but we're

01:18:20.880 I think we're probably the three of us

01:18:22.780 are pretty close to this yeah I would say

01:18:24.360 no I mean if he launched nuclear weapons

01:18:27.420 at every end of the

01:18:28.660 so I think that the answer there is in

01:18:34.880 some ways yes but that's not as a result

01:18:37.600 of me thinking this stuff is okay it's as

01:18:39.520 a result of the status quo itself being

01:18:41.480 changed the Overton windows right exactly

01:18:44.000 meaning that the reality that was

01:18:45.820 presented in 2016 and with which I

01:18:48.160 refused to engage was a reality in which

01:18:51.360 there was a time a Trump timeline and a

01:18:53.440 Hillary timeline and either way went it 1.00

01:18:55.480 was going to degrade the country but my

01:18:57.160 hope was that by not engaging and saying

01:18:59.400 no a pox on all of this that that would

01:19:01.960 still present enough of a front that

01:19:05.760 people maintained a certain level of

01:19:07.840 there could be a third future timeline

01:19:09.680 right there's a third future timeline

01:19:11.060 where some people stood a thwart and said

01:19:12.460 listen you're gonna make your choice but I 0.99

01:19:14.600 disapprove of like all of this crap and I 0.98

01:19:16.900 don't like any of it okay then that 0.98

01:19:18.520 passed because the world was what it was

01:19:21.160 and the stand that people made in 2016 was

01:19:24.220 no longer relevant because the moment had

01:19:25.800 passed and now the stand didn't have

01:19:28.140 anything to do with the election the stand

01:19:29.660 changed because Trump was now the

01:19:31.020 president and it was are you willing to

01:19:32.840 say that what he is doing is bad and

01:19:34.720 wrong when he's doing something bad and

01:19:36.320 wrong so if the question is will I vote

01:19:38.720 for him in 2020 because my threshold has

01:19:40.440 changed no if I vote for him in 2020

01:19:42.880 which I'm likely to do is because the

01:19:44.620 reality has changed not because my

01:19:46.680 threshold changed I have exactly the

01:19:48.180 same objections I if I could if I could

01:19:50.360 erase some of the things that I think

01:19:52.180 have gone wrong in the country because

01:19:53.540 he's president I would do it if I that

01:19:55.940 doesn't mean I would want Hillary

01:19:56.900 Clinton to be president God forbid I 0.91

01:19:58.500 think she would have been way worse as

01:19:59.800 a president and I think a lot of the

01:20:01.100 same bad things would have happened

01:20:02.180 with Hillary Clinton as president I think a

01:20:04.180 lot of different bad things would have

01:20:05.100 happened with Hillary Clinton as

01:20:06.460 president but because again I've said

01:20:08.940 before we now are living in the sunk

01:20:10.680 cost world all the costs have been

01:20:12.740 sunk I don't think the world is getting

01:20:14.400 incrementally worse because Trump is

01:20:15.800 president every day this is the

01:20:16.940 argument of the real number Trumpers

01:20:17.940 what their argument is is anything

01:20:19.360 that is good for Trump is bad for the

01:20:20.480 country right because the longer he's

01:20:21.740 in office it makes the country worse

01:20:22.880 yeah right and I don't think that's

01:20:24.300 true I think that basically the day

01:20:25.660 after the election we were living in

01:20:26.940 Trumpland and Trumpland was

01:20:28.180 Trumpland and Trumpland has been

01:20:29.400 Trumpland since the day he this is the

01:20:31.380 day after the election and that really

01:20:33.260 has not altered like nothing here with

01:20:35.480 even with Ukraine is is even with

01:20:38.600 Ukraine story I don't think anything

01:20:40.520 is fundamentally altered now if he in

01:20:42.680 if he did commit a quid pro quo I think

01:20:45.380 that fundamentally alters the nature of

01:20:47.360 reality in a certain way in that and

01:20:49.380 and then things change I would I could

01:20:51.540 probably clarify what Ben said because

01:20:52.900 I largely agree with it what I really

01:20:54.880 think is that my never Trump position

01:20:57.080 in 2016 was premised on the idea that

01:21:00.400 the greater threat to the Hillary is a

01:21:02.520 was a massive threat to the country

01:21:04.420 but I believed that a I couldn't have

01:21:07.500 voted for her even even with what I'm

01:21:09.520 about to say but I believe that an even

01:21:11.740 greater still threat to the country was

01:21:14.520 if the Republican Party the party the

01:21:16.880 only party with conservatives in it that

01:21:19.600 if it surrendered its values if it if it

01:21:23.140 changed fundamentally what it stood for

01:21:24.820 that in the long run that's a greater

01:21:26.580 threat to the country because the

01:21:28.180 president's gonna come and go the only

01:21:30.800 hope for the country is that somebody

01:21:31.940 still stands for these founding

01:21:33.100 principles and I thought that we were

01:21:34.940 by in backing Donald Trump I thought we

01:21:37.320 were risking forsaking those principles

01:21:39.660 to Ben's point Donald Trump gets

01:21:41.880 elected I'm I'm disabused of some of

01:21:44.760 that because he is more conservative

01:21:46.360 than I thought that he would be there is

01:21:48.660 also the sunk cost thing which is

01:21:49.900 whatever damage is done is done but the

01:21:52.900 reason that my position on Trump remains

01:21:55.020 different than your position on Trump

01:21:56.660 or Michael's position on Trump over time

01:21:58.120 isn't because I'm still maintaining the

01:22:00.960 position that I had in 2016 about Trump

01:22:04.260 I'm not Trump is now he is what he is he

01:22:06.960 is our president right I mean the never

01:22:08.360 Trumpers right now are waving are waving

01:22:10.100 at a taxi that's already departed that's

01:22:11.500 right the reason that I'm critical of the

01:22:13.340 president now is because I still believe

01:22:16.380 that the only hope long-term for the

01:22:18.400 country isn't just short-term political

01:22:20.960 expedience it's someone still standing all I

01:22:24.940 want is to all I want in politics today

01:22:27.420 for as far as my involvement not what I'd

01:22:29.840 like to see happen for my involvement all

01:22:31.640 I want is that the things that I stood

01:22:33.800 for before Trump and the things that I

01:22:36.760 stand for after Trump to be the same

01:22:38.900 things I don't want it to be the case

01:22:41.080 that I claim to have all these deep

01:22:42.920 beliefs these these philosophical beliefs

01:22:45.880 these moral beliefs but I'll give all

01:22:50.540 that up as long as we're winning but you

01:22:52.100 mean the only thing it's not to say that

01:22:54.140 you want every political position you

01:22:56.060 held 10 years ago to be the same as

01:22:58.200 your position you're talking about

01:22:59.860 foundational principle foundational

01:23:01.860 principle right so and that's why I

01:23:03.620 think that when Jeremy and I are sort

01:23:04.880 of on the same side on this quid pro

01:23:06.060 quo thing which is like if it gets

01:23:07.740 proved that so let's put it straight

01:23:09.060 up if if it gets proved straight out

01:23:11.800 that he said to Rudy Giuliani or

01:23:13.820 anybody else I am withholding the

01:23:15.800 Ukrainian aid until they investigate and

01:23:17.920 go after Joe Biden do you think that's

01:23:20.240 impeachable if that's the wow I still

01:23:26.320 wouldn't impeach but but but I have to

01:23:28.840 say I probably wouldn't impeach any

01:23:30.080 president that well this is the issue

01:23:31.580 right I wouldn't be the thing if he if

01:23:33.960 he only did that all the time if he did

01:23:36.260 it a number of times if he was

01:23:38.420 leveraging the though if he was

01:23:40.200 leveraging the value of the country

01:23:41.540 which belongs to us for his political

01:23:43.580 purposes the way Obama seems to have

01:23:45.180 done in a constant way yeah then I'm

01:23:49.700 saying and I'm saying move into

01:23:50.980 impeachment territory but but if he if

01:23:53.040 he made some kind of remark by

01:23:54.340 necessity is rarely about a pattern

01:23:55.960 usually it's about an incident so

01:23:57.080 meaning if Barack Obama yeah I've been

01:23:58.640 caught on tape saying to somebody I am

01:24:01.340 withholding aid to Israel unless

01:24:02.980 Israel investigates Donald Trump and

01:24:05.240 and finds dirt on him yeah I would for

01:24:08.380 sure say impeach the guy a hundred

01:24:09.900 percent I'd say impeach the guy and I

01:24:11.200 think we all would have at the time and

01:24:13.340 I think that and I think that if you 0.99

01:24:16.000 allow Putin to come in and kill a 0.99

01:24:17.920 bunch of Ukrainians so that one of the 0.99

01:24:21.860 potential people who might run against

01:24:23.500 you in a forthcoming presidential

01:24:25.280 election might possibly be hurt if 0.88

01:24:27.640 your presumptions about what actually

01:24:29.020 took place are right you got to go

01:24:31.360 right but but again this is all

01:24:33.420 hypothetical yeah but we're trying to

01:24:36.700 we're trying to hone in on sort of

01:24:37.920 yeah yeah I mean and to me the and to

01:24:39.780 me my my rule has always been if it's

01:24:42.580 something where I would condemn Obama

01:24:44.120 I'll condemn Trump for it and if it's

01:24:47.060 something where I think Obama should

01:24:48.640 have been impeached I'll say the same

01:24:50.420 thing about Trump because the minute

01:24:52.440 that we start shifting the standard

01:24:54.000 based on that then nobody has any

01:24:55.940 standards and then then it may as well

01:24:57.200 then then it's not war isn't then

01:24:58.400 politics isn't war by other means it's

01:24:59.740 just war it's just you know but this is

01:25:01.040 why the flight 93 election analogy that

01:25:03.520 went around in 2016 Jonah Goldberg had

01:25:05.640 this great line today on or this week on

01:25:07.560 Twitter where he says people seem to

01:25:08.960 forget what happened to flight 93 yeah

01:25:10.720 no I never liked that analogy and I

01:25:13.520 never thought that was true I never

01:25:14.580 was on if I was on flight 93 crash it

01:25:17.840 yeah right you'd rather crash the plane

01:25:20.380 yeah then go where the plane is going

01:25:22.040 no the only my my view of politics is

01:25:24.040 that while we always treat it like it's

01:25:26.700 that urgent the truth is that if the

01:25:29.800 country is to survive no yeah cannot it

01:25:32.000 cannot be that urgent if the country is

01:25:33.360 to survive we can't truly believe like I

01:25:35.940 had this argument Dennis Prager where

01:25:37.320 Dennis was saying yeah Hillary Clinton is

01:25:38.840 elected it's the end of the country no

01:25:40.580 and I said to him well I don't see you

01:25:42.000 quitting your job right like it like so

01:25:44.540 what are you gonna do not like go into

01:25:45.780 work the next day and so that that but

01:25:48.040 that attitude is what leads I think to

01:25:50.460 the okay well no matter what he does then

01:25:54.080 at least he's better than them and it's

01:25:55.780 like well yes and no yes and no but

01:25:59.580 whatever whatever he does he may be

01:26:02.300 better than them but whatever you say is

01:26:04.240 okay may make the country worse than it

01:26:06.460 was five minutes specifically on the

01:26:08.960 quid pro quo idea we'd all read the

01:26:11.260 transcript I don't think any of us

01:26:12.840 thinks that this is evidence that Trump

01:26:14.280 was engaging in a quid pro quo even if

01:26:16.680 Zelensky was trying to do that but at the

01:26:19.380 very least I will say I don't think it's

01:26:20.440 clear that he was or it's not clear that

01:26:22.020 he was it doesn't seem to me that he was

01:26:23.520 doing that we're also losing the context

01:26:26.660 of the call itself or even the ask itself

01:26:29.060 which is Joe Biden is the sitting vice

01:26:31.720 president apparently putting a lot of

01:26:34.300 pressure threatening to withhold a

01:26:35.420 billion dollars in aid at a very crucial

01:26:37.100 time for Ukraine so that he for his own 0.98

01:26:40.300 son and for his own presidential

01:26:41.340 ambitions to get his derelict son out of

01:26:43.820 trouble for a prosecutor who may or may

01:26:45.500 not have been looking at some of the

01:26:46.480 question if they found that to be true

01:26:48.020 should he have been impeached as vice

01:26:49.040 president no well I'll answer that in one

01:26:51.160 second but I'll answer but I want the

01:26:52.740 first part of the question you know

01:26:53.900 because convert his name to Trump and

01:26:54.900 then answer yeah because in that case

01:26:56.980 no what I want to point out is the

01:27:00.140 Obama administration face no

01:27:01.340 consequences for that Obama face no

01:27:03.260 consequences for any of his other egregious

01:27:05.300 oversteps and so my look at impeachment

01:27:08.260 is one of great prudential character

01:27:10.780 because I don't like impeachment I don't

01:27:12.940 think any of the attempted impeachments

01:27:14.320 should have taken place and so I'm I'm

01:27:17.160 just pulling the pushing the brakes

01:27:19.320 rather on that even when it applies to

01:27:21.000 Trump even if I'm uncomfortable with

01:27:22.360 the behavior and and I have to say you

01:27:24.140 that you have to give me credit that

01:27:25.220 when I voted for Trump which I'm really

01:27:26.660 proud and I really think I did the right

01:27:29.280 thing I knew I was taking a risk I said

01:27:31.620 I actually wrote a thing where I said

01:27:33.160 I'm taking this risk for my country

01:27:34.960 because I think if I'm right if I'm

01:27:36.720 right I thought there was a five percent

01:27:38.320 chance I was wrong now I look back I

01:27:40.020 think there's a one percent chance I

01:27:41.160 was wrong but at the time I thought

01:27:42.480 five percent chance this guy's as bad

01:27:44.260 as you know I hate him and there's a

01:27:46.020 five percent chance he's as bad

01:27:47.120 politically as I think he is I thought

01:27:48.620 it was worth risking my reputation and

01:27:50.780 my morals to do what I thought was

01:27:52.480 right for the country I'm glad I did it

01:27:54.140 I'm glad it worked out I could be

01:27:55.880 sitting here I could I could be

01:27:57.360 outside asking for money because no one

01:27:59.460 would hire me you know I voted for a

01:28:01.260 Nazi but look but I I didn't it didn't 0.98

01:28:03.600 turn out that way I thought that was

01:28:04.500 the right thing to do the only thing I

01:28:06.120 I would say to is the one way in which I

01:28:11.040 agree with the Kirk Kurt Schlichter's of

01:28:12.840 the world and Kurt Schlichter's a friend of

01:28:14.000 mine so I'm not like that that's right 1.00

01:28:16.620 he's a great guy if you need a lawyer he's

01:28:18.840 absolutely hilarious guy we can't be so

01:28:22.980 clean we can't be so clean that they hit

01:28:25.380 us with a lead pipe while we're dancing

01:28:27.180 around with the Marcus of Queensbury no but

01:28:29.100 this is the I get offended by that yes

01:28:30.960 do I yeah because not me all we do all

01:28:33.300 we do all we do all day is fight the

01:28:35.160 left all we do all literally have a 24

01:28:37.920 7 security because I fight the left no

01:28:39.480 but it's not it's not the question of

01:28:41.040 whether we fight it's a question of how

01:28:43.560 we fight so there's the Kirk no there's

01:28:45.660 the old but here's the problem there's

01:28:46.800 the old I press off the left way more than

01:28:49.560 all the people who think they're dancing

01:28:50.880 around the lead pipe so there's a fact

01:28:54.420 that's right a fact there's there are

01:28:56.060 very few conservatives in America but

01:28:57.780 that's just a numbers game yeah that's

01:28:59.720 true but there's an old there's the old

01:29:01.180 joke about the guy who goes up to the

01:29:03.680 gal and he says you know would you have 0.98

01:29:08.680 sex with me for five yeah right she's 1.00

01:29:11.700 like oh yeah I mean if I make it quick 0.98

01:29:14.420 you know write the check it's cool cool

01:29:16.400 cool I don't have five million dollars but

01:29:18.020 would you take a buck what kind of girl 1.00

01:29:19.580 do you think I am well we've established

01:29:21.140 what kind of girl you are now over the 0.97

01:29:22.780 price of course that's all of us on some

01:29:25.580 no that's right that's all of us on some

01:29:27.300 the joke's funny because we can all

01:29:28.360 relate to it I am willing to compromise

01:29:32.160 of course I'm not but there is a there is

01:29:35.640 a degree of compromise at which you you

01:29:37.920 have actually fundamentally changed the

01:29:41.240 nature of the thing right I agree this

01:29:43.160 I know we agree on this yeah and the

01:29:45.720 funny thing about Trump you thought

01:29:47.220 there's a five percent chance that it

01:29:48.900 would be a mistake catastrophically bad

01:29:51.380 catastrophically bad I thought that there

01:29:53.680 was a five percent chance that he would

01:29:55.460 be catastrophically bad too but only a

01:29:58.400 five percent chance that's not what kept

01:29:59.980 me from voting for him what kept me from

01:30:01.780 voting for him is that I thought that

01:30:02.980 there was a 75 percent chance that he

01:30:06.160 would be a creature of the left not of

01:30:09.280 the right and that he would fundamentally

01:30:12.280 gut the actual philosophical and moral

01:30:16.000 core of our movement in such a way that

01:30:18.380 when he was gone I wasn't sure what we

01:30:20.300 were fighting for anymore I wasn't that

01:30:23.220 wrong like you the five percent worst 0.99

01:30:25.940 case scenario thing didn't happen the

01:30:27.960 75 percent thing half of it I was wrong

01:30:30.180 about which is I thought he'd give us

01:30:32.260 like his sister to be a supreme court 0.95

01:30:34.160 justice like I thought the guy just has

01:30:35.820 been a democrat his whole life and he's

01:30:37.700 going to govern he's going to govern

01:30:39.480 he has not governed as a democrat they

01:30:41.760 haven't let him thank god for the

01:30:43.840 yeah that's right they haven't let him

01:30:45.260 but if you're asking do I think that

01:30:48.560 our party has done more than just sully

01:30:51.120 itself but has compromised itself to the

01:30:53.260 point that it isn't sure what it is

01:30:54.560 anymore I do think that I think that we

01:30:56.400 only in this moment where it will go in

01:30:58.720 the future I don't know in this moment I

01:31:01.000 think the only identity that our party

01:31:03.320 has is anti-left I think when when Rush

01:31:07.000 Limbaugh changed the slogan of his show

01:31:08.740 from the from the advanced institute of

01:31:11.780 conservative studies to the advanced

01:31:13.020 institute of anti-leftist study he

01:31:14.540 switched it back I think he did he did

01:31:16.340 but it was actually it was in an honest

01:31:19.820 moment because we used to not everyone

01:31:23.040 who votes Republican but we used to in

01:31:24.660 the core of the movement be about

01:31:26.800 conservatism and then in the moment of

01:31:29.660 Trump at the core of the movement we're

01:31:30.880 just about fighting the left I see I see

01:31:32.800 where I disagree with you about this is

01:31:34.420 I think Trump is a symptom of that

01:31:36.400 phenomenon I think you know I asked Ted

01:31:38.900 Cruz about this and I I love Cruz but he's

01:31:40.860 a politician it's hard sometimes hard to get an

01:31:42.560 honest answer and I said look you know

01:31:44.280 Tucker Carlson had this wonderful line

01:31:45.780 where he said a happy country doesn't

01:31:46.900 elect Donald Trump president that's not

01:31:48.400 something that happens in a happy

01:31:49.280 country I said the Republican the

01:31:52.160 conservative movement and in my opinion

01:31:53.780 had failed I thought I think it failed in

01:31:56.460 three specific ways I think it had failed

01:31:58.440 by supporting the the wars of the freedom

01:32:01.700 agenda which turned out to be an overstep you

01:32:04.620 know that was that was a big thing I think

01:32:06.320 it failed to restrain the legislative state

01:32:09.360 the administrative state because nobody

01:32:11.160 actually wanted to do the work and I I know

01:32:13.480 you and I did disagreed on this but I think

01:32:15.060 it failed the people in the heartland of

01:32:16.620 the country by talking about free markets

01:32:19.160 while they starve and I don't kill 0.81

01:32:20.360 themselves just just a sec just a sec I

01:32:22.200 think it failed I think it collapsed I think

01:32:24.080 it is I said this almost immediately after

01:32:27.040 the election I think we're living in a room

01:32:29.280 without gravity and the furniture is floating

01:32:31.800 around nobody knows where it's going to come

01:32:33.520 down and I think that that's the phenomenon

01:32:35.640 we're seeing and I think Trump is part of

01:32:37.120 that what I'm hoping for and strategizing

01:32:39.140 for and praying for is that after Trump

01:32:42.440 there is a new conservative movement

01:32:44.680 because look the cold war is over guys

01:32:46.200 you know Reagan conservatism is out of

01:32:48.000 date we need a new conservative I don't

01:32:49.520 believe I don't believe it's out of date

01:32:51.540 I don't believe that the founding principles

01:32:54.240 are not a date but how to apply and I

01:32:56.480 don't agree that the cons that

01:32:58.180 conservatism failed the Republican Party

01:33:00.360 failed that there was this huge populist

01:33:02.720 movement toward conservatism that happened

01:33:05.240 during the Obama years and no matter how

01:33:07.400 much power they gave the Republican Party

01:33:09.320 the Republican Party absolutely

01:33:11.720 I think that's fair but I think that I

01:33:14.840 think that if conservatism had been more

01:33:17.840 realistic more responsive see what maybe

01:33:20.000 they wouldn't have done that but look I

01:33:21.200 think that's a fair comment too so a

01:33:23.000 couple things one I think that on

01:33:24.680 economics you are you are doing a fair

01:33:27.560 bit of revisionist history I am not aware

01:33:29.480 of the Republican Party that was small

01:33:30.920 government and universally pro-free trade

01:33:33.680 and anti-steel subsidies and anti and

01:33:36.380 anti-specific tariffs they were

01:33:38.240 anti-spending rhetoric George W Bush spent

01:33:41.420 more money than creases yeah okay George

01:33:43.600 W Bush was a big spender he campaigned on

01:33:45.860 compassionate conservatism he was not a

01:33:47.300 exact so he campaigned on exactly when it

01:33:50.460 came to spending the agenda that Donald

01:33:52.020 Trump he gave us new entitlements I agree

01:33:53.800 he gave us all the things that he gave us

01:33:55.440 Homeland Security the TSA right exactly he

01:33:57.600 was a big government my not super

01:34:00.160 conservative guy who happened to share a

01:34:02.500 couple of socially conservative values

01:34:04.120 and like tax cuts I mean that that was

01:34:05.820 really kind of what it was and so I'm not

01:34:07.940 aware of this this Republican Party that

01:34:09.460 you're of which you speak and whose

01:34:11.100 agenda failed so I don't think that that

01:34:12.520 was actually ever the agenda in terms of

01:34:14.420 practice or even in terms of campaigning

01:34:15.880 when they were campaigning and campaigning

01:34:17.040 as compassionate conservatives in 2000 I

01:34:18.980 think the last conservative right who

01:34:21.020 campaigned as a small government

01:34:22.580 conservative was Ronald Reagan no one

01:34:24.400 has done it since yeah George George

01:34:26.200 Shelby Bush did it and then betrayed and 1.00

01:34:27.440 then lost right right so when I say the

01:34:28.840 conservative movement failed I mean by

01:34:30.680 not having and by the way we did not

01:34:32.360 fail on pro-life they've succeeded

01:34:34.040 wildly on pro-life yeah okay the fact

01:34:36.240 about everything I'm saying the

01:34:38.640 conservative movement did not collapse

01:34:40.620 because of Donald Trump Donald Trump

01:34:42.180 was elected because the conservative

01:34:43.260 movement collapsed okay I believe the

01:34:45.180 conservative movement movement

01:34:46.460 collapsed into rage it didn't collapse

01:34:48.900 because it didn't collapse because of

01:34:50.680 principle it collapsed because of

01:34:51.700 frustration and then it collapsed into

01:34:53.500 who will punch these people in the

01:34:55.420 grill and Donald Trump what because

01:34:56.880 Donald Trump wasn't running on John

01:34:58.040 Boehner John Boehner gave us Donald

01:34:59.920 Trump yeah I mean I agree with this it

01:35:01.600 was it was John Boehner was the most

01:35:03.140 depressing person I have but yeah but

01:35:04.720 do you not but it's but the but more

01:35:07.580 than that so you said that you you know

01:35:10.220 right now you don't regret your vote and

01:35:12.220 Jeremy you sort of said that that you

01:35:15.540 also don't regret your vote here's my

01:35:17.940 answer I don't know yet okay so I and I

01:35:21.220 know that's sort of a cop-out but I

01:35:22.460 really don't know you know so it's so

01:35:24.180 so I think that I I've been very clear

01:35:27.740 about what about my vote I got wrong and

01:35:29.840 that was his how he would govern and

01:35:31.980 then there's the long-term

01:35:33.340 ramifications of the Trump presidency

01:35:34.720 and I have no no but who does right no

01:35:36.980 no but but I think I think you think you

01:35:38.420 do no I think no no no I that's not

01:35:41.080 that's not it that's not it I think

01:35:42.500 because I don't I have no basis to

01:35:45.300 judge and that's you have to vote in

01:35:47.100 the moment you have to vote in the time

01:35:48.580 nobody knows the future but you say

01:35:50.020 you've already said you can't say you

01:35:51.740 can't say I'm gonna phone in my vote 20

01:35:52.960 years from no of course and I'm not

01:35:54.520 blaming you for how you voted nor did I

01:35:55.820 anytime during the election right I said

01:35:57.280 like I'm I can't for three hours when I

01:35:59.520 told you I was gonna vote for Trump I

01:36:00.940 told you it was like it was like the

01:36:01.860 godfather when Sonny gets the way you

01:36:03.940 talk it was like being machine gun okay

01:36:06.740 but when but when it came to people who

01:36:09.920 explained why but then by the time you

01:36:11.760 voted for Trump it was like you voted

01:36:14.040 for Trump yeah but I mean like I never

01:36:16.100 at any point said people should actively

01:36:18.100 not vote I said I can't do it yeah but

01:36:20.400 I never made the statement no and I

01:36:22.020 don't I don't blame you for not doing

01:36:23.640 that I'm but the point that I'm making

01:36:25.320 is that when it comes to the questions

01:36:28.260 of things in life we regret because

01:36:29.620 that is inherently retrospective right

01:36:31.380 and I'm not talking about in the

01:36:32.360 moment in the moment you always feel

01:36:33.580 good about what you're doing you're

01:36:34.300 doing in the moment right so now we're

01:36:35.720 talking about retrospective that was

01:36:36.960 the topic of conversation so you're

01:36:38.520 saying in retrospect you don't that

01:36:40.940 you are very that you feel fulfilled

01:36:43.020 that you feel good about how you

01:36:44.200 voted and I don't know I don't know

01:36:46.620 like I feel bad about the fact that I

01:36:48.380 got him wrong on politics yeah I don't

01:36:50.880 feel bad about how I felt about him on

01:36:53.780 character because I think that he has

01:36:54.840 proved to be all the things that I

01:36:55.920 thought he was I think that in terms of

01:36:58.340 what the country has been you know and

01:37:00.480 and what has been done to the country

01:37:01.800 not just by Trump but also by mostly

01:37:03.680 the reaction to Trump right that and

01:37:06.220 that's not Trump's fault that's that's

01:37:07.720 Trump being and the left just losing

01:37:09.260 its mind right and just going way off

01:37:12.240 the rails yeah and so Trump's presence

01:37:14.720 is not responsible for that in the

01:37:16.460 same way that when I go on campus and

01:37:17.460 people lose their minds I'm not

01:37:18.360 responsible for that but it is true

01:37:19.660 that the campus is a worse place

01:37:20.760 because I'm there right

01:37:22.160 right it's a but it's because of that

01:37:26.520 I don't know yet and what and the one

01:37:29.260 thing that I'm afraid of there are two

01:37:30.600 things I'm afraid of and these fears

01:37:32.200 still obtain but I'm not sure they're

01:37:34.360 avoidable anymore was Jeremy's concern

01:37:37.400 that the Republican Party would be

01:37:38.520 soul-sucked embrace a bunch of stuff

01:37:39.800 it never would have before not even in

01:37:41.140 terms of policy because the

01:37:42.100 Republican Party goes up and down in

01:37:43.460 terms of spending and in terms of tax

01:37:44.660 and it has disparate elements to it as

01:37:46.300 well right it's got a lot of

01:37:47.220 different stuff in it but in terms of

01:37:49.080 the the like today when people were

01:37:52.080 militantly I mean I said like

01:37:53.460 militantly he's absolutely innocent he's

01:37:56.300 a hundred percent and this transcript

01:37:57.580 exonerates him and I just thought to

01:37:59.240 myself no it doesn't okay it doesn't

01:38:02.120 like the transcript may not prove the

01:38:04.520 case against him and I'll say I don't

01:38:06.160 think it proves the case I agree with

01:38:07.640 you it doesn't prove the case against

01:38:08.660 him but if you read that transcript and

01:38:10.120 you read this was in fact the

01:38:11.560 greatest conversation then and then I

01:38:14.680 don't know how that's in the realm of

01:38:17.040 reality that's because of the

01:38:18.660 presumption of innocence it doesn't

01:38:20.760 have to exonerate it right exactly

01:38:22.180 has to not condemn it so does not

01:38:23.860 condemn the two things that I was

01:38:24.860 afraid of are that he would that he 0.94

01:38:26.340 would soul-suck the Republican Party 0.96

01:38:27.460 and I don't know if that's just as 0.94

01:38:29.480 long as whoever's president is the

01:38:30.900 president that's how it goes meaning

01:38:31.940 that you know you follow Bush when he's

01:38:33.340 the president you follow Obama when

01:38:34.440 he's the president you follow Trump

01:38:35.420 when he's the president and that's

01:38:36.580 just how it goes because that's how

01:38:38.100 we operate that's right and then you

01:38:39.340 hope for a better president who's not

01:38:40.840 going to make that follow them down

01:38:42.180 dark paths that's real right that so

01:38:44.320 maybe it's that or maybe there's been

01:38:46.400 a fundamental shift in what will be

01:38:47.820 allowed from now on like and this is

01:38:49.720 that's why I say I don't know yet I'm

01:38:51.340 hoping that it's the former I'm hoping

01:38:52.440 that it's like okay for the moment

01:38:53.740 everybody's like okay we'll throw

01:38:54.820 bricks at each other and then there

01:38:55.780 will come a time where we don't have

01:38:56.680 to throw bricks at each other and we

01:38:57.960 won't throw bricks at each other

01:38:58.780 anymore and in that time it will be

01:38:59.960 moral again not to throw bricks and

01:39:02.000 then I'm worried obviously about

01:39:04.180 something that Republicans have

01:39:05.760 decided to not worry about ever

01:39:06.900 again which is the serious demographic

01:39:09.060 problems facing the Republican Party

01:39:10.760 I think that's I mean president Trump

01:39:12.580 is like for all of the talk and for

01:39:15.280 all the sanguinity about how he is

01:39:16.820 going to drive out the masses and he's

01:39:18.720 won the white working class over and 0.93

01:39:20.020 yes he's won more white working class

01:39:21.740 votes that's great but like I don't

01:39:25.720 know a yeah I let's put this way out

01:39:29.880 of a hundred young people and by young

01:39:31.780 people I mean people under the age of 0.88

01:39:32.740 35 by out of a hundred young people and

01:39:35.200 I'm talking about like across the

01:39:36.380 country my guess is you couldn't find

01:39:38.980 35 of them who will say the day we'll

01:39:40.540 vote for Donald Trump in the next

01:39:41.500 election yeah and that and I I'm 0.99

01:39:43.300 really worried about the living crap

01:39:44.980 no I'm really so I don't so I don't 0.95

01:39:46.700 know yet right I don't know yet because

01:39:48.200 I and there's no way I'm ever really

01:39:49.760 going to know the truth because who

01:39:51.220 knows what it would have been if

01:39:51.900 Hillary had been president right like 0.87

01:39:53.280 I didn't want her to be president and 1.00

01:39:55.200 I think she would have been a crap 1.00

01:39:56.040 president but that alternative 0.99

01:39:57.740 timeline doesn't exist so that so no

01:39:59.700 that's why that's when when you talk

01:40:01.260 about regret I mean I look back when

01:40:02.860 you look back on your life the things

01:40:04.140 I regretted things that I did that I

01:40:05.700 knew were wrong at the time that's so

01:40:07.140 yeah but there are things that you

01:40:09.420 regret where you made excuses to

01:40:11.580 yourself at the time to make yourself

01:40:12.780 do them because we all do that right

01:40:14.280 right and then and then later you're

01:40:15.620 like but I kind of knew that's what

01:40:17.240 that's what I mean right and I feel

01:40:18.580 like there is going to be some of that

01:40:19.900 with regard to behavior during this

01:40:21.700 era where people look back and they're

01:40:23.120 like yeah it's true like I was trying

01:40:25.060 to stop these people from being the

01:40:26.500 worst people and I was trying to stop

01:40:28.260 them from taking control of the

01:40:29.160 country yeah but I kind of knew at the

01:40:30.880 time that like there was something

01:40:32.420 niggling at me inside yeah that was

01:40:34.420 that was eating away at me and saying

01:40:36.140 like this is not I'm sure that's going

01:40:38.120 to happen I mean that's why what I've

01:40:39.620 been careful to do is just tell people

01:40:41.040 that my thought processes when I talk I

01:40:42.860 should say I totally agree you know I'm

01:40:43.780 totally agree that's why I'm not angry

01:40:46.240 at you that's why the people who I am

01:40:47.460 angry at the real problem is go out

01:40:48.880 there and don't even try to reveal the

01:40:50.500 thought process or the struggle like I

01:40:52.340 just want some honesty like I'll tell

01:40:53.500 people and I do it on my show all the

01:40:55.100 time and I hope people appreciate it that

01:40:56.920 if I'm struggling with an issue I'm

01:40:58.880 actually struggling with an issue

01:40:59.980 something I just don't know the answer

01:41:01.460 you don't know yeah right I just don't

01:41:02.680 know so anyway Ben Shapiro just don't

01:41:06.660 know and on that note thank you guys

01:41:08.880 for tuning in to this episode of

01:41:10.320 Backstage we're gonna do it again I

01:41:12.280 don't know in a few weeks we do this

01:41:13.340 what once twice a month every time I'm

01:41:15.080 leaving for a while so that's right

01:41:16.220 you're going away yeah Ben's gonna be

01:41:17.380 gone so we'll do a no worry my show

01:41:19.620 will still be on air but I will not be

01:41:20.760 present here that's right so we won't

01:41:22.440 be able to actually do this show but

01:41:23.900 you will be able to do your show

01:41:25.120 right the highly successful and

01:41:26.560 entertaining thanks everybody

The Michael Knowles Show - September 26, 2019

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