The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1793 - The Supreme Court May Abolish “Gay Marriage”

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00:00:30.000 Good news and bad news coming out of the courts.

00:00:34.540 The bad news is liberal judges are continuing their 14-year jihad

00:00:40.700 against the Catholic Little Sisters of the Poor,

00:00:44.060 whom they want to make pay for condoms and infanticide.

00:00:47.060 But the good news is the Supreme Court might overturn so-called gay marriage.

00:00:51.620 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:00.000 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:14.300 Speaking of gay stuff,

00:01:16.580 the NFL is bringing in a bunch of male cheerleaders.

00:01:19.740 Did they not get the memo?

00:01:21.220 Do they still think it's 2020?

00:01:23.740 Do they still think it's 2024?

00:01:26.180 This is them and Jaguar.

00:01:27.760 They think it's 2024.

00:01:28.900 Guys, you got to catch up.

00:01:30.000 We're in the age of Sidney Sweeney.

00:01:32.120 We're in the age of good genes.

00:01:33.880 We are, the LGBT stuff is done.

00:01:36.460 We actually might possibly overrule gay marriage.

00:01:40.740 But first, the bad news out of the courts.

00:01:42.580 Actually, first, speaking of unjust political systems,

00:01:46.660 if you watched the show yesterday,

00:01:48.880 you're probably wondering why Hitler isn't behind me right now.

00:01:52.700 I had a life-size cardboard cutout of Hitler behind me.

00:01:56.400 Really going for that young Zoomer audience base.

00:01:58.600 No, I had a cutout of Hitler,

00:02:00.600 and then I had a cutout of Pope Pius XII,

00:02:03.860 one of the great men of the 20th century,

00:02:05.620 who has been slandered and maligned as Hitler's pope.

00:02:08.260 And it's a bunch of BS.

00:02:09.600 The reason I had the cardboard cutouts is because we have a new show,

00:02:12.760 and you need to go watch it.

00:02:14.300 You.

00:02:14.660 I'm talking about you.

00:02:15.800 Now, if you're watching this on Daily Wire Plus,

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00:02:22.280 The Secret Vatican Files of World War II.

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00:02:41.260 And you have to do this because

00:02:42.920 I think it would be very,

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00:02:56.140 So I think it'd be really,

00:02:57.180 we need,

00:02:58.840 forget about what is a woman,

00:03:00.140 we need what is a fuhrer.

00:03:01.720 What is a fuhrer?

00:03:03.000 What is a supreme pontiff?

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00:03:16.900 Okay.

00:03:17.260 Now, speaking of Catholics

00:03:19.400 and people with religious vocations,

00:03:23.160 the saga goes on.

00:03:25.320 A federal court,

00:03:26.800 these federal courts,

00:03:28.340 has just ruled

00:03:29.340 against the Trump administration

00:03:31.620 and ruled against

00:03:33.580 a bunch of little sisters of the poor

00:03:35.720 to make these Catholic sisters

00:03:38.940 pay for condoms

00:03:41.520 and birth control pills

00:03:42.960 and infanticide

00:03:44.620 and abortion.

00:03:46.300 What's that about?

00:03:47.860 Catholic News Agency is reporting

00:03:49.740 that a federal court,

00:03:51.340 unclear which one,

00:03:52.840 has ruled against

00:03:54.060 the little sisters of the poor

00:03:55.140 in this long-running dispute

00:03:56.540 over the government,

00:03:57.980 contraception,

00:03:58.880 healthcare mandates

00:03:59.720 that goes all the way back

00:04:01.020 to Obamacare.

00:04:01.880 This goes back

00:04:02.880 to the Obama administration.

00:04:05.360 This is a 14-year saga

00:04:07.580 at this point.

00:04:10.080 Obama passes

00:04:10.920 the Affordable Care Act,

00:04:12.380 what was it,

00:04:12.760 2009?

00:04:14.000 2009, 2010,

00:04:14.940 something like that.

00:04:15.460 And as part of the Affordable Care Act,

00:04:19.240 they made the little sisters of the poor

00:04:20.880 violate not only their moral conscience,

00:04:24.360 violate really basic standards of morality.

00:04:28.800 You're making Catholic religious sisters

00:04:31.180 pay for condoms

00:04:32.280 and abortion completely insane.

00:04:34.600 So,

00:04:36.920 at the,

00:04:38.540 in 2017,

00:04:40.580 the government

00:04:41.500 kept going after them.

00:04:42.560 They won at the Supreme Court

00:04:43.560 in 2016,

00:04:44.140 then the government

00:04:44.760 kept going after them

00:04:45.820 in 2017.

00:04:47.180 This is still going on.

00:04:48.720 The Trump administration

00:04:49.460 is defending them.

00:04:50.400 It tells you everything

00:04:51.260 about our opponents

00:04:52.560 that the,

00:04:53.800 the American left

00:04:55.080 thinks that the chief enemy

00:04:56.300 is a bunch of

00:04:57.040 little sisters of the poor.

00:04:58.680 Trump is on their side.

00:04:59.680 Which side are you on?

00:05:00.540 A lot of people are asking,

00:05:03.800 well, why?

00:05:04.440 Why does the left

00:05:05.040 have to go this far?

00:05:06.940 Can't we just lay off

00:05:07.940 the little sisters of the poor?

00:05:08.860 This looks so bad for them.

00:05:10.400 Why?

00:05:10.620 It seems like a minor issue.

00:05:12.000 Why?

00:05:12.220 Of all the things to care about,

00:05:13.700 forcing Catholic religious sisters

00:05:15.980 to pay for condoms,

00:05:16.880 that's so crazy.

00:05:17.840 It's so,

00:05:18.160 why?

00:05:18.580 Why?

00:05:20.500 Because that's the whole point.

00:05:22.700 Because that's the whole point.

00:05:23.840 That's always been the whole point.

00:05:25.400 Have you not gotten that by now?

00:05:28.860 The left's

00:05:29.900 raison d'etre

00:05:31.080 is to destroy the church.

00:05:33.960 That's how the left was founded.

00:05:36.000 The term left

00:05:36.940 comes from the French Revolution

00:05:38.260 when it was the atheists

00:05:40.020 who wanted to overthrow

00:05:40.980 throne and altar

00:05:41.940 who were sitting on the left side

00:05:43.560 of the National Assembly.

00:05:44.780 That's the whole point

00:05:46.660 of the left.

00:05:48.000 The whole point of the left

00:05:49.160 is to destroy the church

00:05:51.040 and the political order

00:05:53.340 that the church holds up.

00:05:54.480 A political order

00:05:55.260 based on order,

00:05:56.520 based on authority,

00:05:58.260 based on justice.

00:05:59.900 The left wants to

00:06:01.540 upend all of that

00:06:03.180 because the left's project,

00:06:06.180 the liberal project broadly,

00:06:07.640 is about liberation,

00:06:09.940 emancipation.

00:06:11.420 No kings,

00:06:12.800 no gods,

00:06:13.580 only men.

00:06:14.820 That's the point.

00:06:15.920 So I know there are going to be

00:06:18.120 moderate Democrats

00:06:19.120 or kind of confused Republicans

00:06:20.620 who say,

00:06:20.940 ah, it's so weird.

00:06:21.700 Why do these random federal judges,

00:06:23.880 why does the Obama administration,

00:06:25.240 the Biden administration,

00:06:26.040 why do all these people

00:06:26.840 go after this random

00:06:29.020 Catholic religious group?

00:06:31.600 Because it's not random.

00:06:33.440 Because this is actually

00:06:34.660 the whole point.

00:06:36.580 Kill the baby bigot.

00:06:37.960 Kill the baby sister.

00:06:39.440 That's the whole point.

00:06:40.420 If they can make

00:06:43.060 the little sisters of the poor

00:06:44.640 forsake their God,

00:06:47.000 they can do anything.

00:06:48.340 That's the point.

00:06:49.460 That's what it's about.

00:06:50.500 So the Trump administration

00:06:52.420 is going to keep fighting.

00:06:53.280 The little sisters

00:06:53.700 are going to keep fighting.

00:06:54.560 God's going to win in the end.

00:06:55.880 And God's enemies

00:06:56.860 are not going to fare very well.

00:06:59.240 But this fight

00:07:01.100 is not going away.

00:07:01.800 And the more I hear

00:07:04.740 from these federal judges,

00:07:05.840 the more I'm inclined

00:07:07.020 to a kind of immigration

00:07:09.320 comprehensive reform.

00:07:11.840 You know,

00:07:12.200 the Libs always talk about that.

00:07:13.160 We need comprehensive

00:07:14.260 immigration reform.

00:07:15.580 Here's, okay.

00:07:16.560 I generally oppose it.

00:07:18.300 I generally think

00:07:19.200 we just need to deport

00:07:20.000 all the illegals

00:07:20.820 and not really compromise

00:07:22.460 on anything.

00:07:22.900 But I'm here.

00:07:23.620 Here's my compromise.

00:07:25.640 We will keep

00:07:26.960 some of the Guatemalans,

00:07:29.420 some of the Nicaraguans,

00:07:30.960 some of the Venezuelans,

00:07:32.800 we'll keep,

00:07:34.060 we like the Cubans.

00:07:35.100 We'll keep

00:07:35.900 some of the Colombians.

00:07:37.500 I don't know.

00:07:37.640 We'll keep some of them.

00:07:39.300 Okay.

00:07:39.700 Some of the illegals

00:07:40.480 who are here.

00:07:41.240 In exchange,

00:07:42.820 we deport

00:07:44.360 all of these federal judges.

00:07:45.700 How does that sound?

00:07:47.020 All of these federal judges,

00:07:49.220 there's one or two

00:07:50.540 out of 700

00:07:51.340 who decide

00:07:52.320 that they're going to

00:07:52.960 gum up the works

00:07:53.800 of the popularly elected

00:07:55.300 Trump administration,

00:07:57.300 gum up the executive

00:07:58.300 based on their

00:08:00.340 misconception

00:08:01.620 of their own

00:08:02.380 importance and authority

00:08:03.340 and their grave

00:08:05.260 misunderstanding of justice.

00:08:06.580 If you allow us,

00:08:08.440 Libs,

00:08:09.020 if you allow us

00:08:10.100 to deport

00:08:11.380 these federal judges

00:08:12.740 to Naive Bukele's

00:08:13.980 torture chamber

00:08:14.600 in El Salvador,

00:08:16.100 then no,

00:08:16.360 he doesn't have those.

00:08:17.040 He has a very nice jail.

00:08:18.160 But if he,

00:08:18.640 if we need him

00:08:19.420 to build a torture chamber

00:08:20.620 and if we can deport

00:08:23.460 the federal judges there,

00:08:24.660 we can keep

00:08:25.360 some number

00:08:26.400 of the Hispanics,

00:08:28.560 the illegal Hispanics,

00:08:30.140 the illegal Hispanics.

00:08:31.160 Is that a fair trade?

00:08:32.680 Are you on board for that?

00:08:34.000 Let me know in the comments

00:08:34.820 if you're on board for that.

00:08:36.000 Now,

00:08:36.440 that's the annoying news

00:08:37.500 out of the judiciary.

00:08:38.500 There is good news

00:08:39.400 out of the judiciary.

00:08:41.900 You remember the Libs

00:08:43.280 a few years ago

00:08:43.960 were saying,

00:08:44.360 oh my goodness,

00:08:45.540 if we overrule Roe v. Wade,

00:08:48.240 the next step is

00:08:49.480 we might overrule

00:08:50.640 gay marriage.

00:08:52.060 Remember that?

00:08:52.740 And most conservatives

00:08:54.280 were saying,

00:08:54.980 no,

00:08:55.180 that's ridiculous.

00:08:55.920 That's not true.

00:08:56.880 And,

00:08:57.200 but some conservatives

00:08:58.500 were saying,

00:08:59.200 well,

00:08:59.400 it's probably unlikely,

00:09:00.120 but it would be good

00:09:01.060 if it were true.

00:09:02.140 We should do that.

00:09:03.080 Yeah,

00:09:03.260 obviously we need

00:09:03.920 to overrule that.

00:09:04.540 Some,

00:09:04.840 some of them,

00:09:05.420 including me,

00:09:06.160 were saying that.

00:09:07.560 Well,

00:09:08.320 we might,

00:09:09.860 we might overrule

00:09:11.380 the judicial decision

00:09:13.540 that gave us

00:09:14.140 so-called gay marriage.

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00:10:41.100 Do you remember,

00:10:42.100 this whole show

00:10:43.180 is going to be

00:10:43.820 a little trip down

00:10:44.520 memory lane

00:10:45.160 to tell you about

00:10:45.880 very current,

00:10:47.100 urgent political issues.

00:10:49.100 None of which

00:10:49.860 started overnight,

00:10:50.880 all of which

00:10:51.400 seemed to have begun

00:10:52.100 many, many years ago.

00:10:53.260 There was a lady

00:10:53.940 by the name of Kim Davis.

00:10:55.300 You remember her?

00:10:56.500 Kim Davis

00:10:57.100 is a former

00:10:58.420 Kentucky County clerk.

00:11:01.000 And when

00:11:02.140 activist judges

00:11:03.460 and romantic poets

00:11:04.740 in judicial robes

00:11:05.880 decided to

00:11:07.100 attempt to

00:11:08.060 redefine marriage

00:11:09.060 and find

00:11:10.720 in the Constitution

00:11:12.500 somewhere

00:11:13.080 an invisible ink

00:11:13.820 a right to intimacy

00:11:15.080 and an apparent

00:11:17.360 indiscernible

00:11:18.560 of the sexes

00:11:20.040 that says that,

00:11:20.880 yes,

00:11:22.080 Bill and Steve

00:11:23.280 have every

00:11:24.420 much,

00:11:25.460 every bit as much

00:11:26.620 a right

00:11:26.920 to get married

00:11:27.960 as Sally

00:11:30.440 and

00:11:31.580 Jeffrey.

00:11:33.520 I don't know.

00:11:34.420 I don't know.

00:11:35.100 I don't know.

00:11:35.360 Oh, I guess the obvious

00:11:36.160 would be Adam

00:11:36.940 and Eve

00:11:37.760 and Adam and Steve.

00:11:39.000 In any case,

00:11:40.220 the judges

00:11:40.760 decided

00:11:41.600 that two fellas

00:11:43.200 were the same thing

00:11:43.920 as a man and a woman.

00:11:44.760 They decided

00:11:45.300 as a matter

00:11:45.700 of judicial fiat

00:11:46.520 that a man

00:11:47.080 is a woman

00:11:47.800 for all intents

00:11:48.820 and purposes

00:11:49.280 and they tried

00:11:49.780 to redefine marriage.

00:11:50.740 Kim Davis said no.

00:11:52.220 He said,

00:11:52.500 I'm not going to

00:11:53.500 violate my conscience,

00:11:55.960 my understanding

00:11:56.760 of morality,

00:11:57.660 my religion,

00:11:58.640 and also just

00:12:00.120 common sense.

00:12:00.760 I'm not going to lie

00:12:01.520 and issue marriage

00:12:03.360 certificates to two fellas

00:12:04.600 because that's not

00:12:05.860 an ontological possibility.

00:12:08.760 Nothing against

00:12:09.520 the fellas.

00:12:09.940 Men who are

00:12:11.860 a little light

00:12:12.300 in the loafers

00:12:12.840 have given us

00:12:13.360 plenty of fine things

00:12:14.680 over the years.

00:12:15.740 Broadway musicals,

00:12:16.860 interior design,

00:12:17.840 but

00:12:18.060 they can't get married

00:12:20.680 because that's not possible.

00:12:23.260 They say,

00:12:23.720 why can't we have

00:12:25.380 a freezing cold

00:12:27.940 fire?

00:12:31.700 All the pedants

00:12:32.720 who are scientific

00:12:33.380 in the comments

00:12:34.060 were going to tell me

00:12:34.760 about actually

00:12:35.300 it was a certain degree.

00:12:36.160 No, no, no.

00:12:36.760 Why can't we have

00:12:38.320 a north that is south?

00:12:39.820 Why can't we have

00:12:40.540 an up that is down?

00:12:43.260 Why can't we?

00:12:44.180 You're trying to have

00:12:44.880 something

00:12:45.400 that cannot exist.

00:12:48.080 That's why.

00:12:49.080 And so,

00:12:49.880 Kim Davis

00:12:50.560 is continuing

00:12:52.520 her case.

00:12:54.080 What is her case?

00:12:56.000 She

00:12:56.400 is asking

00:12:57.620 the Supreme Court

00:12:58.440 to consider

00:12:59.840 her appeal

00:13:00.420 of a

00:13:01.420 $100,000

00:13:02.520 jury decision

00:13:04.420 against her

00:13:05.200 for emotional

00:13:06.500 damages.

00:13:06.960 Some jury

00:13:07.840 found her

00:13:08.180 guilty

00:13:08.420 for emotional

00:13:09.580 damages,

00:13:10.140 $100,000.

00:13:11.060 And

00:13:11.400 she's appealing

00:13:13.320 $260,000

00:13:14.280 in legal expenses.

00:13:16.340 All of this

00:13:17.280 comes down

00:13:17.740 to Obergefell.

00:13:19.340 And

00:13:19.980 Kim Davis's lawyers

00:13:21.180 say,

00:13:21.820 the court's decision

00:13:22.440 in Obergefell

00:13:23.040 grounded in the

00:13:23.960 erroneous fiction

00:13:24.820 on substantive

00:13:25.920 due process

00:13:26.600 is such a decision,

00:13:28.140 such a wrong decision

00:13:29.100 that the mistake

00:13:30.480 must be corrected.

00:13:31.400 Notice here,

00:13:31.780 it doesn't say

00:13:32.660 the court's decision

00:13:33.360 in Obergefell

00:13:34.100 grounded on the

00:13:34.880 erroneous

00:13:35.700 fiction

00:13:36.640 of gay marriage.

00:13:38.160 That is also

00:13:38.860 erroneous.

00:13:39.580 That is also

00:13:40.020 fiction.

00:13:40.520 That's not possible.

00:13:41.580 But they're going

00:13:42.260 deeper.

00:13:42.520 They said that

00:13:42.860 actually the legal

00:13:43.740 reasoning

00:13:44.340 that led you

00:13:46.180 to the conclusion

00:13:47.060 of gay marriage

00:13:48.000 in Obergefell,

00:13:48.800 namely,

00:13:49.620 this concept

00:13:50.380 of substantive

00:13:51.160 due process,

00:13:52.840 that is a legal

00:13:53.740 fiction.

00:13:54.480 That is what

00:13:54.920 you have to

00:13:55.300 reconsider

00:13:55.720 in our appeal.

00:13:57.140 And this is

00:13:57.660 really,

00:13:58.020 really clever

00:13:58.460 because in

00:13:59.740 the Dobbs decision

00:14:00.480 that overruled

00:14:01.020 Roe v. Wade,

00:14:01.780 most of the

00:14:04.080 conservative judges

00:14:04.760 said this is

00:14:05.200 a narrow decision.

00:14:06.220 We don't want

00:14:06.700 this to expand

00:14:07.300 out to other

00:14:07.980 judicial rulings

00:14:08.840 that don't touch

00:14:09.680 on the abortion

00:14:10.200 question.

00:14:10.880 We're just

00:14:11.600 kind of narrowly

00:14:12.640 deciding this

00:14:13.240 to overrule

00:14:13.720 Roe v. Wade

00:14:14.200 and Planned

00:14:14.540 Parenthood v. Casey.

00:14:16.800 That was most

00:14:17.680 of the judges

00:14:18.160 other than

00:14:18.640 Clarence Thomas

00:14:19.240 who says,

00:14:20.340 actually,

00:14:20.680 we do need

00:14:21.360 to revisit

00:14:21.900 a lot of

00:14:22.540 other cases

00:14:23.160 up to and

00:14:25.260 including

00:14:25.780 the gay marriage

00:14:26.660 case Obergefell

00:14:27.560 because the

00:14:28.920 problem with

00:14:30.000 Roe v. Wade,

00:14:30.760 one of the

00:14:31.080 many problems,

00:14:31.560 but a very

00:14:31.940 clear one,

00:14:32.720 is the notion

00:14:33.800 of substantive

00:14:34.620 due process.

00:14:35.820 That's how we

00:14:36.220 got the

00:14:37.320 abortion ruling

00:14:38.080 in Roe.

00:14:39.280 That's how we

00:14:39.940 got a lot

00:14:40.820 of dumb

00:14:41.220 rulings.

00:14:42.500 And that's

00:14:42.780 how we

00:14:42.980 got the

00:14:43.280 gay marriage

00:14:43.760 ruling.

00:14:44.300 And so,

00:14:44.660 we actually

00:14:45.220 do need

00:14:45.620 to revisit

00:14:46.080 substantive

00:14:46.540 due process.

00:14:47.540 This,

00:14:48.060 in principle,

00:14:48.700 could give

00:14:49.080 Clarence Thomas

00:14:49.700 his opportunity.

00:14:51.640 Now,

00:14:51.840 what is

00:14:52.400 substantive

00:14:52.860 due process?

00:14:53.440 It's kind

00:14:55.620 of hard

00:14:55.860 to nail

00:14:56.160 down because

00:14:56.700 it's

00:14:56.880 gobbledygook,

00:14:57.640 but the

00:14:58.260 shortest

00:14:58.780 explanation that

00:15:00.740 I can come

00:15:01.140 up with is

00:15:01.700 substantive

00:15:03.060 due process

00:15:03.720 is a

00:15:04.740 judicial

00:15:05.200 trick

00:15:05.820 to

00:15:07.040 prevent

00:15:08.680 people from

00:15:09.240 passing their

00:15:09.760 own laws.

00:15:10.600 That's

00:15:11.000 basically what

00:15:11.600 substantive

00:15:11.920 due process

00:15:12.420 is.

00:15:13.060 A people

00:15:13.520 wants to

00:15:14.500 pass reasonable

00:15:15.220 laws,

00:15:16.260 laws against

00:15:17.420 infanticide,

00:15:18.300 for instance.

00:15:18.780 We say,

00:15:19.140 you know,

00:15:19.320 we think in

00:15:19.920 our community

00:15:20.440 you should

00:15:21.180 not be able

00:15:21.620 to murder

00:15:22.340 babies.

00:15:23.000 We think

00:15:23.260 that would

00:15:23.540 be bad.

00:15:23.940 In other

00:15:24.180 communities,

00:15:24.620 maybe they

00:15:24.880 do murder

00:15:25.200 babies,

00:15:25.640 but in

00:15:25.900 our community

00:15:26.340 we don't

00:15:26.640 want you

00:15:26.880 to murder

00:15:27.120 babies.

00:15:27.860 And most

00:15:28.520 people agree

00:15:28.980 with that,

00:15:29.500 and then

00:15:29.820 their

00:15:30.000 representatives

00:15:30.500 vote for

00:15:31.120 that in

00:15:31.520 the legislature,

00:15:32.080 and then

00:15:32.960 in come

00:15:33.380 the liberal

00:15:33.720 judges,

00:15:34.120 and they

00:15:34.300 say,

00:15:34.460 no,

00:15:34.580 no,

00:15:34.660 no,

00:15:34.840 that's

00:15:35.260 a violation

00:15:35.820 of

00:15:36.080 substantive

00:15:36.920 due

00:15:38.040 process.

00:15:40.300 You don't

00:15:41.060 have the

00:15:41.960 right even

00:15:42.500 to consider

00:15:43.060 passing a law

00:15:43.840 about that.

00:15:45.800 Because of

00:15:46.760 this process,

00:15:47.760 this procedure,

00:15:48.980 which is not

00:15:50.220 even a process

00:15:50.820 or a procedure.

00:15:51.500 This is one

00:15:51.820 of the other

00:15:52.160 ironies of

00:15:52.840 substantive

00:15:53.260 due process,

00:15:54.220 is it refers

00:15:54.740 to process,

00:15:55.860 due process,

00:15:56.380 like your right

00:15:56.740 to a jury

00:15:57.120 trial,

00:15:57.520 for instance,

00:15:58.180 but it

00:15:59.300 subverts

00:15:59.960 all of those

00:16:01.420 rights.

00:16:01.860 It says,

00:16:02.180 no,

00:16:02.280 no,

00:16:02.360 no,

00:16:02.460 just in

00:16:02.780 the substance

00:16:03.260 of the

00:16:03.620 matter

00:16:03.840 that you're

00:16:04.180 discussing,

00:16:04.940 it's a

00:16:05.980 violation of

00:16:06.560 rights.

00:16:07.660 But there's

00:16:08.160 no process.

00:16:08.940 It's a process

00:16:09.480 without a

00:16:09.820 process.

00:16:10.480 It's a process

00:16:11.100 based purely

00:16:12.620 on the whims

00:16:13.360 and caprices

00:16:14.000 of some

00:16:15.060 activist

00:16:15.380 judge.

00:16:16.760 which is

00:16:17.680 why Clarence

00:16:18.600 Thomas comes

00:16:19.060 out.

00:16:19.220 He says,

00:16:19.460 we need to

00:16:19.800 revisit this

00:16:20.240 whole thing.

00:16:20.720 There's another

00:16:21.220 irony with the

00:16:22.280 libs embracing

00:16:23.320 substantive due

00:16:24.040 process,

00:16:24.540 which gave us

00:16:25.740 Griswold v.

00:16:26.660 Connecticut,

00:16:27.380 one of the

00:16:28.520 two cases

00:16:29.060 that found a

00:16:30.520 supposed right

00:16:31.140 to condoms

00:16:31.780 in the

00:16:32.060 Constitution.

00:16:33.160 I don't know

00:16:33.400 how many of

00:16:33.700 you have,

00:16:33.980 hopefully in

00:16:34.600 fifth grade

00:16:34.940 or something,

00:16:35.280 you read the

00:16:35.580 Constitution.

00:16:36.340 Did you find a

00:16:36.820 right to condoms

00:16:37.440 anywhere in there?

00:16:38.480 Even if you like

00:16:39.060 condoms,

00:16:39.460 even if you buy

00:16:39.900 condoms,

00:16:40.280 did you find a

00:16:40.700 right to condoms

00:16:41.440 in the Constitution?

00:16:42.080 No,

00:16:43.000 you didn't?

00:16:43.500 Me neither.

00:16:45.220 Well,

00:16:45.500 because of

00:16:45.920 substantive due

00:16:46.640 process,

00:16:47.100 there's apparently

00:16:47.680 a right to

00:16:48.220 condoms in the

00:16:48.760 Constitution.

00:16:49.320 Did you find a

00:16:49.880 right to murder

00:16:50.360 little babies,

00:16:51.060 cute little

00:16:51.420 innocent babies?

00:16:52.120 Did you find that

00:16:52.560 anywhere?

00:16:53.360 No,

00:16:53.780 you didn't?

00:16:54.880 Well,

00:16:55.380 substantive due

00:16:56.120 process says you

00:16:56.740 did.

00:16:56.920 Did you find a

00:16:58.740 right to redefine

00:17:00.080 the bedrock

00:17:01.000 political institution

00:17:02.180 to include a

00:17:03.120 couple of fellas

00:17:03.740 or a couple of

00:17:04.760 ladies or three

00:17:06.240 dudes and a

00:17:07.000 billy goat or

00:17:07.460 something?

00:17:07.780 Did you find that

00:17:08.260 in there?

00:17:08.600 No?

00:17:09.040 Well,

00:17:09.260 substantive due

00:17:09.900 process says that

00:17:11.300 you did.

00:17:11.620 So it's totally

00:17:12.220 bogus.

00:17:12.940 But the irony is

00:17:14.000 the Libs embracing

00:17:14.840 this makes you

00:17:18.540 wonder, okay,

00:17:19.040 where does

00:17:19.560 substantive due

00:17:20.220 process come

00:17:20.760 from?

00:17:21.740 You know the

00:17:22.160 first case that

00:17:23.140 employs substantive

00:17:24.140 due process

00:17:24.900 reasoning at the

00:17:26.100 Supreme Court

00:17:26.480 level?

00:17:28.000 It's Dred Scott.

00:17:30.040 They say when the

00:17:31.220 Libs are defending

00:17:32.160 substantive due

00:17:33.300 process, they say,

00:17:34.040 well, this is

00:17:34.400 actually, this is

00:17:34.940 not just an

00:17:35.460 innovation of the

00:17:36.040 20th century.

00:17:36.760 This goes all the

00:17:37.560 way back to

00:17:38.380 the 19th century.

00:17:40.200 You say, oh,

00:17:40.580 yeah, where?

00:17:41.780 It goes all the

00:17:42.360 way back to the

00:17:42.860 antebellum south.

00:17:45.080 Oh, yeah, keep

00:17:45.920 going.

00:17:46.400 What case?

00:17:47.300 Well, it goes all

00:17:48.060 the way back to

00:17:48.560 Dred Scott.

00:17:50.240 Goes back to

00:17:50.940 what?

00:17:51.540 Say that, I

00:17:52.020 couldn't hear you.

00:17:52.500 Say that again.

00:17:53.840 The substantive

00:17:54.640 due process goes

00:17:55.240 to Dred Scott.

00:17:56.180 Dred Scott, what

00:17:56.740 did that case

00:17:57.220 find?

00:17:58.820 What did

00:17:59.960 substantive due

00:18:00.740 process give us

00:18:01.500 in the Dred Scott

00:18:02.020 case?

00:18:03.240 Well, it said

00:18:04.060 that blacks can't

00:18:06.160 be citizens and

00:18:06.920 Congress can't ban

00:18:07.980 slavery in the

00:18:08.560 territories, but

00:18:09.400 never mind that.

00:18:11.400 It was wrongly

00:18:12.580 applied.

00:18:13.880 Okay, so you're

00:18:14.360 telling me this

00:18:14.960 bogus legal

00:18:16.760 reasoning that

00:18:18.920 you're employing to

00:18:20.200 defend all sorts of

00:18:21.300 evil nonsense

00:18:22.000 today began with a

00:18:25.580 bunch of evil

00:18:26.120 nonsense in the

00:18:27.000 19th century.

00:18:28.080 And you don't

00:18:28.360 know if it was

00:18:28.660 bad then, but it's

00:18:29.420 good now.

00:18:30.300 It was wrong to

00:18:31.060 be harsh to black

00:18:32.020 people in Dred Scott,

00:18:33.040 but it's good to

00:18:33.600 murder babies and to

00:18:34.760 redefine marriage.

00:18:35.360 Okay, this is

00:18:37.280 another one where

00:18:37.960 I know I've gone

00:18:40.020 at length about

00:18:41.000 this.

00:18:42.160 There are going to

00:18:42.400 be people in the

00:18:42.920 audience, people who

00:18:43.660 are a little light in

00:18:44.140 the loafers maybe,

00:18:45.240 people who are

00:18:46.220 squishy on the

00:18:47.500 right, people who

00:18:48.260 are on the left.

00:18:49.260 There are plenty of

00:18:50.560 moderate liberals who

00:18:51.420 watch this show, and

00:18:52.500 they're going to say,

00:18:53.080 Michael, come on.

00:18:55.100 Why do you care about

00:18:56.120 Obergefell?

00:18:56.900 Why do you care about

00:18:57.640 this gay marriage

00:18:58.360 decision?

00:18:58.980 You're not going to

00:18:59.500 overrule the gay

00:19:00.160 marriage decision.

00:19:01.260 First of all, that's

00:19:02.980 what you all told me

00:19:03.580 about Roe v.

00:19:04.080 Wade for my

00:19:04.980 whole life, and

00:19:05.700 then we just

00:19:06.280 overruled it, and

00:19:06.820 it was fine.

00:19:08.340 But second of all,

00:19:09.840 this is not a

00:19:11.880 trivial issue.

00:19:12.700 Just like the

00:19:13.380 left has to go

00:19:14.620 after the little

00:19:15.160 sisters of the

00:19:15.680 poor, the left

00:19:16.960 has to make

00:19:17.860 nuns pay for,

00:19:20.300 they're not

00:19:20.600 actually nuns,

00:19:21.080 they're religious

00:19:21.400 sisters, but most

00:19:22.040 people use those

00:19:22.580 terms synonymously.

00:19:23.820 They have to make

00:19:24.800 people with

00:19:26.240 religious vocations

00:19:27.120 pay for condoms

00:19:28.100 and abortions.

00:19:28.660 They have to do it.

00:19:29.560 That's the end of

00:19:32.080 their political

00:19:32.480 activism.

00:19:33.920 So, too, they

00:19:35.000 have to redefine

00:19:35.840 marriage.

00:19:36.540 It's not a

00:19:37.220 trivial issue.

00:19:38.400 Marriage is the

00:19:39.560 fundamental political

00:19:40.600 unit.

00:19:42.960 This is not just a

00:19:44.280 matter of, oh, who

00:19:44.940 cares what other

00:19:45.480 people do in the

00:19:46.100 privacy of their

00:19:46.620 own homes.

00:19:46.940 This is not the

00:19:47.800 privacy of their

00:19:48.260 own home.

00:19:48.560 This is a public

00:19:49.080 act with the

00:19:50.420 basic public union

00:19:51.480 articulated by the

00:19:52.560 Supreme Court.

00:19:55.740 If you can

00:19:56.460 redefine marriage,

00:19:58.820 if you can

00:19:59.360 redefine the

00:19:59.880 family, you can

00:20:00.640 redefine all of

00:20:01.400 society.

00:20:03.580 If you can

00:20:04.040 make the

00:20:04.460 little sisters

00:20:04.900 of the poor

00:20:05.420 betray their

00:20:05.960 God, you

00:20:08.400 can do

00:20:09.100 anything.

00:20:09.940 If you can

00:20:10.520 redefine the

00:20:11.900 basic constituent

00:20:13.560 piece of the

00:20:14.640 entire political

00:20:15.380 order, you can

00:20:16.700 do anything

00:20:17.260 politically.

00:20:18.420 That's what this

00:20:19.120 is about.

00:20:19.540 Those are the

00:20:19.940 stakes.

00:20:20.960 And I don't

00:20:21.380 know that the

00:20:21.820 right understood

00:20:22.480 those stakes.

00:20:24.080 Back when

00:20:24.640 Obergefell was

00:20:25.260 decided, the

00:20:25.700 left did.

00:20:26.480 I don't think

00:20:26.960 the right did.

00:20:27.400 I think the

00:20:27.920 right kind

00:20:28.420 of does

00:20:28.700 now.

00:20:31.380 And I

00:20:31.820 think Clarence

00:20:32.600 Thomas certainly

00:20:33.320 has the

00:20:34.620 gulions to

00:20:35.600 decide this

00:20:36.340 case properly.

00:20:38.320 Justice Alito,

00:20:39.440 I'm confident,

00:20:40.040 does.

00:20:41.260 Do the

00:20:41.580 others?

00:20:43.020 I hope, I

00:20:44.260 hope Barrett and

00:20:46.560 Kavanaugh and

00:20:48.380 Gorsuch and

00:20:49.580 Roberts have the

00:20:52.300 fortitude, the

00:20:53.620 courage, the

00:20:54.960 vision to

00:20:56.820 state what is

00:20:57.420 obviously true.

00:20:58.960 What every

00:20:59.520 culture has

00:21:00.160 known for all

00:21:01.560 of human

00:21:02.060 history is that

00:21:04.260 marriage involves

00:21:05.720 a man and a

00:21:07.280 woman.

00:21:08.060 If we don't

00:21:09.180 know that, if

00:21:10.100 we no longer

00:21:10.800 know that in

00:21:12.100 our political

00:21:12.660 life, we

00:21:14.820 don't know

00:21:15.360 anything.

00:21:16.860 We don't know

00:21:17.840 anything.

00:21:20.100 They know

00:21:20.920 that.

00:21:21.360 Every even

00:21:22.320 semi-reasonable

00:21:23.080 person knows

00:21:24.120 that fact.

00:21:25.920 One question

00:21:26.760 that we have

00:21:27.460 is, will the

00:21:28.220 political order

00:21:28.900 allow us?

00:21:29.440 And I think

00:21:29.760 yes.

00:21:30.680 Yeah, we'd

00:21:31.160 been going way,

00:21:32.440 way down the

00:21:33.240 sexual revolution

00:21:33.880 pipeline all the

00:21:34.700 way to mutilating

00:21:36.020 little kids and

00:21:37.200 pretending they're

00:21:37.880 the opposite sex.

00:21:39.040 And then that

00:21:39.760 stopped.

00:21:40.180 That stopped

00:21:40.640 about a year,

00:21:41.460 year and a

00:21:41.780 half ago.

00:21:42.400 And then we

00:21:43.060 started tugging

00:21:43.720 on those questions.

00:21:46.460 This was the point

00:21:47.460 of my CPAC speech,

00:21:48.240 that we need to

00:21:48.760 eradicate transgenderism

00:21:49.800 from public life

00:21:50.360 entirely because

00:21:51.100 it's either true

00:21:51.640 or it's false.

00:21:52.820 If it's true,

00:21:53.680 then it's true for

00:21:54.140 everyone in transit

00:21:54.760 kids.

00:21:55.100 If it's false,

00:21:56.960 well, now we need

00:21:57.680 to rethink a lot

00:21:58.460 of that sexual

00:21:59.040 revolution.

00:22:00.360 And perhaps most

00:22:01.180 important among

00:22:02.060 those issues is

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00:23:35.220 people like that.

00:23:36.880 I'm more of a

00:23:37.720 baseball guy, okay?

00:23:39.380 I haven't even been

00:23:40.380 watching baseball lately

00:23:41.200 because the Yankees have

00:23:42.160 not been at their

00:23:43.860 peak performance.

00:23:45.560 I'm not a football fan.

00:23:46.700 And so all I knew

00:23:49.320 about football was

00:23:50.180 football was really

00:23:50.920 tough and macho,

00:23:53.240 gladiatorial combat.

00:23:54.520 And then, I don't

00:23:56.060 know, every time I

00:23:56.560 check in on football,

00:23:57.660 I see they're

00:23:59.280 disrespecting the

00:24:00.080 American flag.

00:24:01.820 They're promoting

00:24:02.860 weird racial stuff

00:24:04.840 like Black Panther

00:24:05.740 activism.

00:24:06.360 They're promoting

00:24:07.160 weird LGBT

00:24:08.720 rainbow stuff.

00:24:09.840 And now, they

00:24:10.500 don't even have

00:24:11.240 the impressive

00:24:13.460 beautiful cheerleaders.

00:24:14.860 Now, they're adding

00:24:15.560 a bunch of fellas.

00:24:17.760 I'm not a football fan.

00:24:39.620 I don't watch

00:24:40.020 football.

00:24:41.000 I watch baseball.

00:24:42.340 And baseball doesn't

00:24:42.980 have this.

00:24:43.400 Baseball's made some

00:24:44.060 errors in recent years.

00:24:46.240 They got a little too

00:24:47.060 into BLM, but

00:24:47.780 otherwise, generally,

00:24:50.800 baseball stays kind

00:24:51.720 of normal.

00:24:52.240 Hockey stays kind

00:24:53.260 of normal.

00:24:54.960 Football, though, I

00:24:55.980 think we have to

00:24:56.960 conclude professional

00:24:59.600 football, the NFL, is

00:25:01.580 one of the furthest

00:25:02.680 left institutions in

00:25:04.020 America.

00:25:04.540 Isn't that bizarre?

00:25:06.280 You wouldn't have

00:25:06.980 thought that 10 years

00:25:08.100 ago, but I just look,

00:25:09.300 I go down the list.

00:25:10.160 They protest the

00:25:10.960 American flag.

00:25:12.200 They disrespect the

00:25:13.140 national anthem.

00:25:14.300 They promote the

00:25:15.240 weird rainbow stuff.

00:25:16.260 I guess a lot of

00:25:18.180 sports teams promote

00:25:18.760 the rainbow stuff, but

00:25:19.620 they hire these

00:25:21.220 flamboyant, gender-bending

00:25:22.980 cheerleaders.

00:25:24.920 It's not even male

00:25:26.440 cheerleaders in, like,

00:25:27.340 big puffy sweaters or

00:25:28.340 something.

00:25:28.560 It's, like, really

00:25:29.600 flamboyant, effeminate

00:25:31.860 male cheerleaders.

00:25:33.320 What is the audience for

00:25:34.820 this?

00:25:36.080 The NFL is chasing a

00:25:37.620 left-wing audience.

00:25:38.240 They don't realize we

00:25:40.080 don't do that anymore.

00:25:42.240 That was seven months

00:25:43.580 ago.

00:25:43.880 The Jaguar TV commercial

00:25:45.600 was seven months ago.

00:25:48.020 The transing everybody

00:25:49.300 was, like, 18 months

00:25:50.800 ago.

00:25:53.240 We're in Sidney

00:25:54.240 Sweeney land now.

00:25:55.300 We're in American

00:25:56.040 Eagle land.

00:25:57.920 American Eagle shows a

00:25:59.080 little bit of Sidney

00:25:59.740 Sweeney skin and just

00:26:00.860 tells her to look

00:26:01.820 beautiful and talk

00:26:02.740 normal, and their

00:26:04.000 market cap goes up

00:26:05.120 $200 million in one

00:26:06.320 day, jumps 10%.

00:26:07.640 NFL?

00:26:10.240 I don't know.

00:26:11.360 They didn't get the

00:26:11.880 message.

00:26:12.700 I don't, I do not

00:26:13.740 understand people

00:26:15.780 tuning into the NFL

00:26:16.680 at this point.

00:26:18.660 It's what, they just

00:26:20.220 don't get it.

00:26:21.220 They just don't get it.

00:26:22.960 Now, speaking of men

00:26:24.000 in show business, this

00:26:25.140 one hurts personally.

00:26:27.700 Jimmy Kimmel, he got

00:26:31.460 Italian citizenship.

00:26:34.080 A lot of people I

00:26:35.040 know are thinking

00:26:35.580 about where they can

00:26:36.380 get citizenship.

00:26:40.580 I do have Italian, I

00:26:42.160 did get Italian

00:26:42.980 citizenship.

00:26:43.660 You do?

00:26:44.260 I do.

00:26:44.620 Oh, that's amazing.

00:26:46.080 I do have that.

00:26:47.060 And what's going on is

00:26:48.420 as bad as you thought

00:26:51.420 it was going to be.

00:26:52.240 Way worse.

00:26:53.000 It's so much worse.

00:26:54.920 It's just unbelievable.

00:26:56.280 Like, it's so, I hate

00:26:58.760 Trump.

00:26:59.260 Oh, I hate Trump more.

00:27:00.400 I hate him the most.

00:27:01.600 I hate him even more.

00:27:02.680 I hate him so much.

00:27:03.660 I would betray my

00:27:04.820 country for him.

00:27:05.700 Yeah, I hate him so

00:27:06.940 much.

00:27:07.400 I've pledged allegiance

00:27:08.400 to a foreign country.

00:27:10.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:11.960 I hate dual citizenship.

00:27:15.020 I hate it.

00:27:16.400 I don't, I hate that

00:27:17.740 Jimmy Kimmel is now a

00:27:20.200 citizen of my ancestral

00:27:21.340 homeland.

00:27:21.980 One of my ancestral

00:27:22.780 homelands, the patria,

00:27:24.740 you know, that's

00:27:25.380 unfortunate.

00:27:26.160 But I'm not a citizen

00:27:27.140 of Italy.

00:27:27.700 I like Italy.

00:27:28.200 I was just in Italy for

00:27:29.160 a week, but I don't, I

00:27:30.480 don't want to move to

00:27:31.400 Italy.

00:27:32.300 I don't want Italian

00:27:33.420 citizenship.

00:27:34.180 I hate dual

00:27:34.920 citizenship.

00:27:37.120 Because it's not, it's

00:27:39.180 not possible.

00:27:40.420 This is another one of

00:27:42.020 these things.

00:27:42.440 It's not, it's like, it's

00:27:43.280 the gay marriage of

00:27:44.600 geopolitics.

00:27:45.380 It's not possible

00:27:46.400 simultaneously to be

00:27:48.580 loyal to two countries.

00:27:50.500 I don't like it.

00:27:51.500 I don't like it when the

00:27:52.880 libs say I need to get

00:27:53.940 dual citizenship in case

00:27:56.420 Trump becomes a tyrant.

00:27:58.120 I don't like it when

00:27:58.760 conservatives say, oh,

00:27:59.760 isn't it cool?

00:28:00.280 My great grandpa came

00:28:01.140 from Sicily and now I'm

00:28:02.100 an Italian citizen.

00:28:02.800 I don't like that.

00:28:05.220 There's, there is one

00:28:06.780 case that is frequently

00:28:08.560 defended in public as a

00:28:10.400 good application of dual

00:28:11.500 citizenship.

00:28:12.460 And it's, it's for the

00:28:13.860 sort of unique ancient

00:28:15.260 nomadic tribe.

00:28:16.740 The people set apart,

00:28:18.200 namely the Jews.

00:28:19.020 They say, well, it's good

00:28:20.120 for Jews to have dual

00:28:21.400 citizenship in Israel

00:28:22.440 because Jews have been

00:28:24.440 persecuted throughout

00:28:25.180 history.

00:28:25.540 In fact, this is a theme

00:28:26.960 of a great show that you

00:28:27.880 should go watch, which is

00:28:29.000 called The Pope and the

00:28:29.740 Fuhrer, The Secret

00:28:30.440 Vatican Files of World

00:28:31.300 War II.

00:28:31.680 You should go watch it

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00:28:33.780 if you're not a member,

00:28:34.900 join.

00:28:35.780 And when we get a lot of

00:28:36.760 subscriptions for this

00:28:37.600 show, then I can beat

00:28:38.840 Ben's numbers and Matt's

00:28:40.120 numbers for all the, the,

00:28:41.820 the special extra content.

00:28:43.300 And then I can feel really

00:28:44.360 good about myself.

00:28:45.040 So anyway, the Pope and the

00:28:46.180 Fuhrer, The Secret Vatican

00:28:47.000 Files of World War II.

00:28:47.860 The one exception I've heard

00:28:49.280 to this is, well, because the

00:28:51.260 Jews historically have been

00:28:52.180 persecuted and they are kind

00:28:53.640 of a people set apart and

00:28:55.880 they've been a nomadic for

00:28:57.580 going on a 2000 years now.

00:29:00.040 And because of that, it's

00:29:02.060 okay for them to have dual

00:29:02.960 citizenship.

00:29:03.340 And I say, look, I kind of get

00:29:04.560 it.

00:29:05.060 I get that the Jews just have

00:29:07.480 a unique historic experience.

00:29:09.080 They just do.

00:29:11.300 You would think that people

00:29:12.620 who love the Jews, even the

00:29:14.360 people who hate the Jews would

00:29:15.240 accept this, would understand

00:29:16.400 this.

00:29:16.700 They're just, they are a people

00:29:18.100 set apart if you believe the

00:29:18.980 Bible at all.

00:29:20.400 For better or worse, they're

00:29:21.660 set apart.

00:29:22.500 And so I get the argument, but

00:29:24.820 even there I would say, no.

00:29:27.440 Maybe Israel should have some

00:29:29.060 kind of secondary measure where

00:29:31.640 if a country ever really turns

00:29:33.440 on the Jews, Jews can easily

00:29:35.660 acquire Israeli citizenship.

00:29:38.240 I would get that.

00:29:39.340 I would totally understand

00:29:40.220 that.

00:29:41.220 But even in that case, I would

00:29:42.160 say dual citizenship doesn't

00:29:43.440 make sense.

00:29:45.200 You can't simultaneously be

00:29:47.300 loyal to two countries.

00:29:49.160 More broadly, you can't

00:29:50.240 simultaneously be loyal to two

00:29:52.200 things of the same kind.

00:29:54.280 So you could be loyal to your

00:29:57.800 religion and your country.

00:29:59.720 You can do that.

00:30:01.120 You could be loyal to your

00:30:02.400 favorite sports team in your

00:30:03.480 country.

00:30:04.120 You could be loyal to your

00:30:06.180 sex and your favorite pizza

00:30:08.980 place.

00:30:09.360 You could be loyal to things

00:30:10.740 that are not of the same

00:30:12.200 kind.

00:30:13.640 But you can't be, you can't

00:30:14.920 simultaneously be loyal to two

00:30:16.380 baseball teams.

00:30:17.700 You can't simultaneously be

00:30:19.080 loyal to two countries.

00:30:20.960 I hate this stuff.

00:30:21.960 I want to, if not abolish dual

00:30:25.500 citizenship altogether, greatly

00:30:26.940 restrict it.

00:30:27.580 I don't want the Jimmy Kimmels of

00:30:28.760 the world becoming Italians.

00:30:30.740 Go to Italy then.

00:30:31.380 Go to Italy.

00:30:32.420 See how you like it.

00:30:34.460 Look, I love Italy.

00:30:35.480 It's very beautiful.

00:30:36.220 I speak Italian.

00:30:37.360 I have a lot of friends in

00:30:38.700 Italy.

00:30:40.720 I don't want to live, you

00:30:41.680 spend two weeks in Italy.

00:30:42.700 You say, all right, this is,

00:30:43.580 I need to go back to places

00:30:44.460 with like functioning market

00:30:46.260 dynamics and that have kids and

00:30:48.800 stuff like that.

00:30:49.560 You don't, it's your country or

00:30:51.740 it's not, you know.

00:30:52.780 And in modernity, we have this

00:30:54.300 idea that we're all just kind of

00:30:56.560 abstracted individuals, citizens of

00:30:58.640 the world.

00:30:59.320 We don't have any loyalty to

00:31:00.420 anything.

00:31:01.160 We don't have loyalty to our own

00:31:02.400 families.

00:31:04.120 That's just not, that's not true.

00:31:05.680 This ties into the marriage issue

00:31:07.120 also.

00:31:08.300 We are primarily members of a

00:31:11.320 family.

00:31:12.000 We are not primarily individuals.

00:31:14.540 You did not make yourself.

00:31:16.580 Your parents played a direct role

00:31:18.160 in making you.

00:31:18.900 I'm not going to go, this is a

00:31:20.320 family show.

00:31:20.680 I'm not going to get more specific

00:31:21.600 than that.

00:31:22.780 But you didn't make yourself.

00:31:23.640 And you have obligations to your

00:31:25.040 parents and to your family and by

00:31:26.340 extension to your country, because

00:31:28.160 patriotism is an extension of

00:31:29.620 filial piety.

00:31:30.740 Okay.

00:31:33.740 Losing Jimmy Kimmel from America,

00:31:35.520 that would not exactly constitute a

00:31:38.460 brain drain, would it?

00:31:39.420 I don't think so.

00:31:40.080 But there is a brain drain

00:31:42.540 happening.

00:31:43.760 And it's according to a new study

00:31:45.020 just came out.

00:31:46.880 This is from Bloomberg.

00:31:49.100 Artificial intelligence is

00:31:50.680 apparently making us dumber.

00:31:52.160 I really like that picture.

00:31:55.500 If you're only listening to the

00:31:59.200 show right now, you're not

00:31:59.820 watching it.

00:32:00.320 You should watch.

00:32:00.880 First of all, you should

00:32:01.240 subscribe to Daily Wire.

00:32:02.740 But it's just like a picture of a

00:32:04.400 goofy looking doctor.

00:32:06.580 It's like the most on the nose

00:32:08.880 goofy.

00:32:09.380 Anyway, I like that.

00:32:10.560 But that's what's happening.

00:32:11.900 AI is making us dumber.

00:32:12.960 Now, a lot of people are observing

00:32:14.840 this.

00:32:15.640 Like in school, kids cannot be

00:32:18.640 expected to do any school work

00:32:20.740 anymore because the computer can

00:32:22.100 just do it for them.

00:32:22.680 Can write term papers for them in

00:32:24.400 a minute.

00:32:25.160 Can do equations for them.

00:32:26.740 Self-problem sets.

00:32:27.580 Can do, I mean, it's an existential

00:32:29.460 threat to education.

00:32:32.220 But this is true also apparently at

00:32:34.940 the highest levels of the

00:32:35.840 professions.

00:32:36.680 So AI, we're told, is going to

00:32:40.660 transform science for the better.

00:32:42.220 We're all going to live forever

00:32:42.960 because AI is going to figure out

00:32:44.740 all the diseases that we even

00:32:45.800 potentially have.

00:32:47.280 So there was a study to see if this

00:32:49.600 were true.

00:32:51.600 Healthcare professionals used AI to

00:32:56.060 see if they could better predict

00:32:57.460 precancerous growths in the colon.

00:33:01.300 Tough job.

00:33:02.100 I don't know who would sign up for

00:33:02.820 that.

00:33:03.260 But they said, okay, we're going to

00:33:04.740 use AI.

00:33:05.280 We're going to see if the AI makes you

00:33:06.660 better at detecting colon cancer.

00:33:08.900 And it did.

00:33:10.540 It did.

00:33:10.900 The AI improved the ability of the

00:33:13.580 medical professionals to predict

00:33:15.060 colon cancer.

00:33:16.440 Then the study took the AI away and

00:33:19.340 found that when you took the AI away,

00:33:21.260 the healthcare professionals got 20%

00:33:24.320 worse at predicting colon cancer.

00:33:27.880 Worse than they were before they

00:33:30.280 tried the experiment in the first

00:33:31.600 place.

00:33:33.280 The use of AI at any time made the

00:33:37.800 doctors worse at their jobs.

00:33:40.660 The use of AI made people dumber.

00:33:45.860 What does this mean for you?

00:33:47.820 How dumb are you going to get?

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00:34:41.500 My favorite comment yesterday is

00:34:42.980 from D-Day at 1914.

00:34:45.340 This is a family show.

00:34:46.620 I need custody of the eyes, said

00:34:48.380 Michael Knowles with Hitler right

00:34:49.760 behind him.

00:34:50.320 That's true.

00:34:51.480 That's just kind of an odd

00:34:52.480 juxtaposition.

00:34:53.480 If you want to see more Hitler

00:34:55.660 though, or more Pope Pius XII, you

00:34:58.260 need to watch The Pope and the

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00:35:05.280 Head on over there right now and

00:35:06.740 use code Knowles and you'll get a

00:35:08.540 discount or something.

00:35:09.540 And I can beat Matt and Ben.

00:35:11.580 And that's the most important

00:35:12.440 thing, isn't it?

00:35:14.460 AI is making us all dumber.

00:35:17.420 This is not, even that is not new.

00:35:19.340 We have this idea.

00:35:20.400 We're just so flattered with

00:35:21.780 ourselves in modernity.

00:35:22.720 We say, wow, we're so much

00:35:24.040 smarter than everyone that came

00:35:25.000 before us.

00:35:25.380 We can do so much more.

00:35:26.220 We're so special.

00:35:26.840 We're so special.

00:35:29.860 Not only is technological

00:35:31.380 improvement not new or special or

00:35:33.580 novel, the observation that

00:35:37.280 technological improvement will make

00:35:38.500 us dumber is also an ancient

00:35:40.320 observation that we seem to have

00:35:41.540 forgotten.

00:35:42.240 I am reminded of Plato's work,

00:35:46.300 The Phaedrus, in which Socrates

00:35:49.380 is relating a story of King

00:35:52.340 Themis talking to the Egyptian

00:35:55.720 god Doth, or Thuth.

00:35:57.980 It's Thuth in the text, but

00:35:59.560 Thuth, this god of the arts.

00:36:02.380 And here's what he says, brief

00:36:04.360 little passage.

00:36:07.320 When the Egyptian god gives to man

00:36:10.480 writing, letters, the ability to

00:36:12.520 write down their ideas, he says,

00:36:14.760 this discovery of yours will create

00:36:16.540 forgetfulness in the learner's

00:36:18.460 souls because they will not use

00:36:20.360 their memories.

00:36:21.300 They will trust to the external

00:36:22.680 written characters and not

00:36:24.300 remember of themselves.

00:36:26.920 The specific, which you have

00:36:28.460 discovered, is an aid not to

00:36:30.660 memory, but to reminiscence.

00:36:34.020 It's not going to help their

00:36:35.460 memory.

00:36:35.740 It's going to hurt their memory,

00:36:36.920 but it will allow them to better

00:36:39.200 reminisce.

00:36:41.020 Well, maybe it'll be good for

00:36:42.000 nostalgia, but it won't be good for

00:36:43.220 their actual memory.

00:36:43.840 He goes on, you give your

00:36:45.960 disciples not truth, but only the

00:36:47.560 semblance of truth.

00:36:49.560 They will be hearers of many things

00:36:51.360 and will have learned nothing.

00:36:53.660 They will appear to be omniscient and

00:36:56.060 will generally know nothing.

00:36:57.920 They will be tiresome company, having

00:36:59.960 the show of wisdom without the

00:37:01.420 reality.

00:37:02.480 Oh, man.

00:37:03.860 True millennia ago and just as true

00:37:06.560 today.

00:37:07.660 How many people, I remember learning

00:37:09.060 this in school.

00:37:09.820 They said, you know, Michael, you

00:37:11.140 kids, you're smarter than

00:37:12.860 Aristotle and Plato.

00:37:14.340 You're smarter than Socrates.

00:37:15.560 You know so much more.

00:37:16.460 You have the entire wealth of human

00:37:19.280 knowledge available at your

00:37:20.180 fingertips because of our cell

00:37:21.940 phones or laptops.

00:37:24.060 That's sort of true.

00:37:25.140 That's dubious too, but let's say

00:37:26.280 it's true for the sake of

00:37:27.640 argument.

00:37:28.940 Yeah, I have that all available at

00:37:30.340 my fingertips and I don't do

00:37:32.520 anything with it.

00:37:33.160 And I actually don't even know how

00:37:34.560 to do anything with it.

00:37:35.720 I don't even know how to start

00:37:36.940 asking questions.

00:37:37.740 I've noticed this not to sound

00:37:40.340 like an old man yelling at this

00:37:41.600 guy.

00:37:42.060 I've noticed this even in my

00:37:43.120 professional life.

00:37:43.740 People don't know how to write

00:37:44.660 anymore.

00:37:47.020 Editors don't know how to write.

00:37:49.020 People whose job it is to write

00:37:50.360 don't know how to write.

00:37:51.220 They don't.

00:37:51.720 When I say they don't know how to

00:37:52.440 write, I'm not saying they're not

00:37:53.720 Hemingway.

00:37:54.660 I'm saying they don't know the

00:37:56.400 basics of the English language.

00:37:58.300 And how could they?

00:38:00.960 That decline in skill has been

00:38:04.340 present for 20 years.

00:38:05.760 How could they now?

00:38:07.240 They never have to write

00:38:08.200 anything.

00:38:08.640 They have chat GPT.

00:38:10.320 It gives the show of wisdom.

00:38:12.540 The show.

00:38:12.780 This is something that's so

00:38:13.520 annoying.

00:38:13.880 I hate this on X now.

00:38:15.060 Whenever anyone makes a claim on

00:38:16.480 X, people will just respond and

00:38:18.340 say, Grok, is this true?

00:38:20.320 As if Grok were smart, as if Grok

00:38:23.260 were really intelligent.

00:38:24.200 These people are so gullible.

00:38:27.140 They don't even understand that

00:38:28.560 artificial intelligence is not

00:38:30.060 intelligence.

00:38:30.860 It's not that it's not impressive.

00:38:32.480 It's not that it's not going to go.

00:38:33.480 It's literally not

00:38:34.580 intelligence.

00:38:35.160 That's not what intelligence is.

00:38:36.440 And they don't know what

00:38:37.360 intelligence is.

00:38:39.080 They don't understand how to

00:38:40.240 think about things.

00:38:41.100 They don't know how to get down

00:38:42.620 to the first principles that

00:38:44.180 undergird certain debates.

00:38:45.800 They don't realize that there's

00:38:46.740 such a thing as eternal

00:38:47.740 questions that exist in part to

00:38:51.220 make you think, to exercise the

00:38:53.720 very thing that differentiates you

00:38:55.120 from some brute beast.

00:38:57.880 Hey, Grok, is that true?

00:38:59.160 Hey, Grok is what Michael just

00:39:00.200 said true?

00:39:03.700 Apparently not.

00:39:04.900 If your reflex is just to ask

00:39:07.660 Grok for everything, maybe there

00:39:09.780 isn't much difference between you

00:39:11.400 and a brute beast.

00:39:13.260 Some of us, I hope there is a

00:39:14.860 difference.

00:39:15.660 It's not even that impressive.

00:39:17.260 This is the other crazy story that

00:39:18.540 no one, very few people are

00:39:19.840 talking about in AI.

00:39:21.560 AI isn't even that impressive.

00:39:23.900 It was very impressive when it

00:39:25.100 first came out.

00:39:26.220 Consider it now, though.

00:39:27.100 Has anyone used ChatGPT5?

00:39:28.580 ChatGPT5 just came out, and it's

00:39:34.360 very underwhelming.

00:39:35.720 I'm broadly impressed by ChatGPT.

00:39:37.560 I will sometimes use it for the

00:39:38.960 starting point for research.

00:39:40.160 I don't use it for writing, but

00:39:41.440 I'll use it as a starting point

00:39:42.420 for research.

00:39:44.040 That, Grok, all the rest of them

00:39:45.560 are fine.

00:39:46.460 Sometimes they make stuff up.

00:39:47.520 You got to triple check

00:39:48.220 everything, but sometimes it pulls

00:39:49.520 really interesting stuff.

00:39:53.440 ChatGPT2-3.

00:39:55.420 It took seven months.

00:39:58.580 ChatGPT3 was ten times larger than

00:40:01.720 ChatGPT2.

00:40:02.880 That's impressive.

00:40:05.060 ChatGPT3-4, that took three years.

00:40:08.980 That didn't take seven months.

00:40:10.400 That took three years.

00:40:12.160 And that was a big advance, too.

00:40:14.540 ChatGPT4-5, that took two and a half

00:40:16.860 years, almost the same amount of time.

00:40:19.320 Very little improvement.

00:40:20.400 In some areas, it actually regressed.

00:40:23.100 In some areas, ChatGPT5 is worse than

00:40:25.320 ChatGPT4.

00:40:26.500 It's underwhelming.

00:40:27.460 The New Yorker has a piece out on

00:40:28.620 this.

00:40:30.180 Referring to Apple, another big tech

00:40:32.500 company that, obviously, one of the

00:40:34.400 biggest companies in the world,

00:40:36.200 their researchers released a paper

00:40:37.540 titled The Illusion of Thinking,

00:40:39.740 which found that the state-of-the-art

00:40:41.580 large reasoning models showed

00:40:43.760 performance collapsing to zero when

00:40:47.280 the complexity of puzzles was extended

00:40:49.380 beyond a modest threshold.

00:40:50.560 That the large reasoning models, the

00:40:52.880 most impressive models that we have in

00:40:54.700 artificial intelligence, that their

00:40:57.220 performance drops to zero when you

00:40:59.000 just throw a few little obstacles in

00:41:01.400 the works.

00:41:03.600 35% of the U.S. stock market right now

00:41:05.840 is tied up in the magnificent seven

00:41:07.540 tech companies, which are investing

00:41:09.120 heavily in AI.

00:41:10.320 Those tech companies, according to Ed

00:41:11.840 Zitron, who's a tech writer, those tech

00:41:13.740 companies have spent $560 billion on AI in

00:41:18.240 the last 18 months, over half a trillion

00:41:19.780 dollars on AI in the last 18 months.

00:41:22.040 Revenues are $35 billion, and ChatGPT 5

00:41:24.900 is not really much better than ChatGPT 4,

00:41:27.560 and maybe we've hit a limit.

00:41:29.680 What all the AI people say is, we're

00:41:31.660 going to get to artificial general

00:41:32.920 intelligence.

00:41:33.500 We're going to get to AGI.

00:41:34.860 It's going to be impossible to

00:41:36.780 distinguish between a computer and a

00:41:38.460 human.

00:41:39.480 We're getting there.

00:41:40.460 It's any day now.

00:41:41.940 And I'm a little skeptical of that,

00:41:43.900 because most people don't even

00:41:46.900 understand what intelligence is.

00:41:48.560 Most people don't even understand what

00:41:49.940 thinking is.

00:41:51.880 These things, whatever you want to say

00:41:53.240 about them, they're not intelligent.

00:41:55.700 For a basic reason, that intellect is

00:41:59.860 immaterial.

00:42:02.420 The brain is material.

00:42:04.380 I'm just talking about you, not the

00:42:05.420 computer.

00:42:06.080 You.

00:42:06.400 Your brain is material.

00:42:07.900 Your spinal cord is material.

00:42:10.940 Your intellect is not material.

00:42:12.940 For a really basic reason, we can

00:42:14.700 know this for a fact.

00:42:16.340 Because the mind, the intellect,

00:42:20.480 deals in universals.

00:42:22.300 Universals are immaterial.

00:42:26.060 The mind would not be able to

00:42:28.280 comprehend immaterial things if the

00:42:30.600 mind itself were material.

00:42:32.020 Like my eye, I talked about this on

00:42:33.560 the show about a month or two ago.

00:42:34.880 This is really pertinent to the AI

00:42:37.620 debate and AI development.

00:42:39.960 Your eye is physical.

00:42:42.940 It's material.

00:42:44.320 What does the eye perceive?

00:42:45.980 What does the idea deal in?

00:42:47.120 One thing.

00:42:47.840 Colors.

00:42:49.240 That's what the colors are material.

00:42:52.620 Your mind deals in justice, beauty,

00:42:58.160 delight, morality, good and bad.

00:43:01.200 It deals in universals.

00:43:02.680 It deals in ideas.

00:43:05.320 It deals in things that are not

00:43:06.380 material.

00:43:06.780 So your intellect is immaterial.

00:43:07.900 And the robots and the AI are,

00:43:10.320 they're just stuff.

00:43:12.740 They're just material.

00:43:16.320 What this means, to bring this all

00:43:17.960 back down to earth,

00:43:19.060 there is a limit.

00:43:21.160 And we might have hit the limit on

00:43:22.500 how far AI is going to get.

00:43:24.460 And we're probably going to suffer

00:43:26.100 economic consequences for that.

00:43:28.220 I don't want to, you know, I don't

00:43:29.240 want to call a stock market collapse

00:43:30.900 or something like that.

00:43:31.540 But you cannot have a situation

00:43:34.100 where 35% of the U.S. stock market

00:43:36.120 is tied up in these tech companies

00:43:37.940 that are dumping all their money

00:43:38.920 into AI and have AI hit its limit

00:43:41.060 and not have that affect the market.

00:43:43.620 And I think the reason all of that

00:43:45.780 is happening is we just fundamentally

00:43:47.040 misunderstand what AI is,

00:43:48.840 what intelligence is,

00:43:50.060 what thinking is,

00:43:50.960 and even how technology works.

00:43:53.480 And it comes from this liberal impulse

00:43:55.140 that says that there are no limits

00:43:56.260 on anything.

00:43:57.140 That we're just all,

00:43:57.880 oh, we're on the brink of flying cars.

00:44:01.920 Oh, we're just on the brink

00:44:03.460 of living forever.

00:44:05.000 Oh, we're on the brink

00:44:06.120 of having perfect knowledge

00:44:07.600 of everything at the same time.

00:44:08.640 They always tell us this.

00:44:10.000 They told us this

00:44:10.560 when the internet came out.

00:44:11.820 Oh, we're on the brink

00:44:13.060 of limitless knowledge.

00:44:15.820 Five seconds later,

00:44:16.660 you know what happened?

00:44:17.520 Most of the internet became porn.

00:44:20.060 We said, oh, we're on the brink

00:44:21.200 of limitless knowledge.

00:44:22.080 What if we just turn it all into porn?

00:44:25.260 Did that make us wiser

00:44:27.020 or less wise?

00:44:29.360 I think less wise.

00:44:31.600 How about cars?

00:44:33.220 Like the flying cars.

00:44:34.580 Cars are almost exactly the same

00:44:37.300 as they were 100 years ago,

00:44:38.580 over 100 years ago.

00:44:40.640 Automatic transmission.

00:44:41.760 To me, automatic transmission

00:44:42.880 was the last big,

00:44:44.360 serious development in cars

00:44:45.800 that really, really matters.

00:44:49.280 That was, I think 1921

00:44:51.020 was when the automatic transmission

00:44:52.560 was invented.

00:44:53.280 There are 104 years.

00:44:55.560 It's been the same.

00:44:58.180 We have cell phones.

00:44:59.060 We have cell phones.

00:44:59.900 We invented the telephone

00:45:00.840 a long time ago.

00:45:01.580 Now we have cell phones.

00:45:02.780 We're going to have

00:45:03.240 limitless communication,

00:45:04.440 limitless productivity,

00:45:05.420 limitless knowledge.

00:45:06.220 You know what cell phones are mostly?

00:45:08.020 The parts that are not porn?

00:45:09.480 Just brain rot.

00:45:10.540 Just stupid, dumb brain rot

00:45:12.200 that you spend 80%

00:45:14.380 of your time on your phone

00:45:15.400 just looking at dumb nonsense.

00:45:17.780 It ain't it, man.

00:45:22.220 There's limits.

00:45:22.880 And I love that.

00:45:24.240 As a conservative,

00:45:26.300 as a Christian,

00:45:28.100 someone who recognizes

00:45:29.060 this is a fallen world,

00:45:30.360 utopia is not right around the corner.

00:45:32.080 I'm not a radical.

00:45:32.860 I'm not a revolutionary.

00:45:34.900 Those exist on the left mostly,

00:45:37.080 but a little bit on the right,

00:45:38.160 and they're all a bunch of dummies.

00:45:40.580 Sorry.

00:45:41.160 Sorry.

00:45:41.920 Pardon the near detraction,

00:45:44.440 but it's so dumb.

00:45:47.300 These people,

00:45:48.200 they don't think right.

00:45:48.980 They don't even know what thinking is.

00:45:50.240 There are limits in a fallen world.

00:45:52.100 I like that.

00:45:53.200 I think that's good.

00:45:54.380 I think in a fallen world,

00:45:55.320 if there weren't limits,

00:45:56.160 we would have hell on earth forever.

00:45:57.700 So I don't, you know,

00:45:59.020 I don't want that.

00:46:00.800 Three cheers for limits.

00:46:03.560 Here's to reality.

00:46:04.760 Here's to a restoration of reality

00:46:07.000 down to the basic political level,

00:46:10.380 which of course is marriage.

00:46:11.960 We'll see how that goes.

00:46:12.600 Okay.

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