Ep. 1803 - Trans Shooter Murders Catholic Children At Mass
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Summary
Daily Wire's own Mary Margaret Olhan joins host Michaela Knowles to discuss the political failures that led to and exacerbated the mass shooting at a church in which a transgender woman opened fire, killing at least two parishioners and injuring many more.
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These are questions that take cultures thousands of years to answer.
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During Answer the Call, I take questions from people just like you
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about their problems, opportunities, challenges, or when they simply need advice.
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How do I balance all of this grief, responsibility?
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My daughter, Michaela, guides the conversations
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as we hopefully help people navigate their lives.
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For the good of society, and especially for the good of the poor people
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transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely.
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The whole preposterous ideology at every level.
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Momentarily, we will have Daily Wire's own Mary Margaret Olehan on
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to discuss an exclusive story about the political failures
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that led to and exacerbated this mass shooting yesterday.
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A trans-identifying shooter shooting up a church full of little children,
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killing multiple children, injuring many, many other children.
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What caused this? It's not just the transgenderism.
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There is a spiritual component that not enough people are talking about.
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because it is dispositive proof of severe mental illness.
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To identify as transgender is proof positive of severe, severe mental illness.
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And to ignore that, or worse, to affirm that, as we have been doing in recent years,
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is not only cruel to everyone involved, including the person who identifies that way,
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and as we're seeing, proven truer and truer every single day.
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We will get into all of the facts from Minneapolis.
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We have journals, we have manifestos, we have videos, we have pictures,
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and a lot of people who are just rushing to take one partial view of what happened
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are missing a lot of really, really chilling, but very, very important details.
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Before we get to that, we're going to jump right into the political
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with Daily Warzone, Mary Margaret Olihan, live from the White House,
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into the political failures that caused this problem.
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So, before, and the rest of the show, we're going to get into
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exactly what happened, how it happened, all the details about the shooter, and so on.
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because there were Minnesota politicians who were leaping
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to pontificate about this moments after it happened.
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How is it possible, just a little preface, especially coming here from Nashville,
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a trans-identified killer shooting at a Christian school.
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How is it possible that, especially in the wake of that tragedy,
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because after one of these absolute atrocities taking place,
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you would think that school officials and lawmakers all over the country
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would want to make sure that our children, especially, are safe.
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And, actually, there were some in Minnesota who reached out to Tim Walz and said,
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please take measures to protect our kids at non-public schools.
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Obviously, a lot of steps were taken to protect children at public schools,
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but when you have these private, independent, Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim schools,
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And so we reported yesterday, we exclusively broke this news,
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that leaders at independent and Catholic schools in Minnesota
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please help us, there is a critical need for protecting our students.
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And this letter that they sent to Tim Walz came only a week after
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this trans-identifying shooter in Nashville killed children
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at Covenant Christian School in this tragic mass shooting.
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What I'm told, and I spoke with the leaders that sent this letter,
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He expressed interest in helping them in wanting to secure these schools for children,
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And so they were left in the lurch with these security measures.
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and they said that they were really disappointed that nothing had been done,
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and that they expressed their sincere and deep sorrow for the incident
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this tragic shooting of these two children and these two parishioners,
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and their deaths are being mourned by people all over the country.
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And then the injuries to all these other young children,
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and the lasting impact that this will have on that community and these parents is just devastating.
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So, you know, we see all of these politicians talking about how thoughts and prayers are not enough,
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but these children were literally praying as they were killed,
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and these leaders are telling me that they had asked for help in this situation,
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So we felt like this story was really important to report in the wake of this shooting,
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and to help people understand that, yes, students at private schools,
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students at Catholic schools, Jewish schools all over the country,
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And in this case, we have found two different shooters in the last several years
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They have a very obvious history of mental health issues.
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I would like to know, Michael, and I'm sure you would too,
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what kind of medications this shooter was taking.
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I asked the coroner who had the body of the Nashville shooter,
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was this shooter on so-called gender-affirming drugs?
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I never got any answers there, and I think in this case,
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we really deserve answers on what kind of so-called gender-affirming hormones
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this shooter was taking and what therapists and doctors he had been interacting with
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because they are also to blame in this situation as well.
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Of course, and just on the point of Tim Walls and the local authorities here,
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I guess this is what's most infuriating about the political response to me,
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and I think to a lot of people, is immediately, and we'll get to it later in the show,
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you had the Minneapolis mayor come out and lambast people
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and really mock people for suggesting that we pray
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and say, oh, they were praying in a church, you know?
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I think there was implicit mockery there of children praying in a church.
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And the alternative that is proposed by these politicians is,
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forget your prayer, forget your God, forget your thoughts.
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And then you come out with this report, and you say, well, they requested political action.
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I mean, you saw the vice president speaking about this on Twitter this morning, actually,
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or X as we call it now, talking about how prayer is being misunderstood
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by all of these people who are speaking out against it.
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Prayer, in the most fundamental sense, is asking the help of God,
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not just for God's help, but in ultimately living a virtuous life
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and ultimately, hopefully, for many people, going to heaven.
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A lot of these people who are talking about prayer act as if it's just a thought
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when, in fact, most religious people who are praying to God
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And a lot of these lawmakers are misunderstanding that.
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But when you have these children who are literally praying as they were killed,
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I believe there were two or three elderly parishioners in their 80s
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This is a very deeply sacred space for Catholics,
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They should never have had to deal with this horrible shooter coming
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and targeting them for their religious beliefs, as it appears.
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I had someone compare it to me yesterday to the scene in The Patriot,
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where this really tragic scene where the church is burned down
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as these faithful Christians are inside praying.
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You know, this trans-identifying shooter barricaded the doors
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And so I think to every American, to every Catholic around the country
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and around the world, this is a deeply, deeply sad and unsettling day.
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it's a reminder that you can be targeted for what you believe,
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Mary Margaret, we will be following it all the rest of the day
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as you're at the epicenter of American politics.
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So, there are a number of aspects to this story.
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What do we have on the mental health side of it?
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Well, this person, certainly not going to say his name.
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And apparently, we have a record from his parents ordering his name change.
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So, this is an order granting the name change of a minor on behalf of this man
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The mother, I guess, reportedly requested this and said it was because the kid,
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I have some sympathy for the families in this case
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And they're told by a doctor that if you don't pretend that your kid is the opposite sex,
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That's a standard procedure for doctors to fearmonger in that way.
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It's ridiculous to suggest that if you don't lie to your children
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and tell them to live out of conformity with reality,
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But in any case, we know that the shooter was trans-identifying.
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We also know, this is the other aspect of his mental health,
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we know that he was obsessed with other mass shooters.
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So, I'm going to be reading little parts of his journal and manifesto
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and things that we've had translated because some of it wasn't even in English.
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Lately, I have been entranced into the world of mass shooters.
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So, and there are many, many, that's just one line, gives you the point.
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This is why one fears in the wake of suicide or a mass shooting or any major national event that there will be copycats.
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We know that both of those factors are very much at play here.
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It's instantly, in all of these cases, you have the left trying to blame the right.
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Occasionally, you'll get the right getting out ahead of its skis.
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We know that on his gun, he wrote, kill Trump now.
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So, you'd say, okay, it looks pretty much someone on the left, right?
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Then, you have on the scope, right above kill Trump now, it says, also, it says F-optics.
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So, this, if you're not very, very online, you might not have heard this phrase before.
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But it's a phrase that could be used by the left or the right to say, hey, I'm not going to couch my views in a way that is politically palatable or that is mainstream.
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It might refer to bowl like you smoke marijuana.
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But the suffix, pilled, does code more right-wing.
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People even jokingly say, oh, I'm seltzer-pilled.
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You know, I'm cigar-pilled or something like that.
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So, there you say, okay, well, this is someone who's at least fluent in right-wing language.
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But also, this person quite explicitly says, kill Trump now.
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Then, another drug reference says, vape God on one of the magazines.
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Vape either could be nicotine or it could be more likely marijuana.
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Then, is a reference to Israel must fall above what is, to my mind, even more interesting.
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It says, like a phoenix, we rise from the ashes.
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We'll get to what that means when we discuss the spiritual implications of all of this,
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which, of course, the establishment media are totally missing.
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Now, there, too, you say, okay, it sounds like someone on the left.
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The people who are marching against Israel, the people who, in public opinion polls, are most anti-Israel,
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But there are people on the right that are that way, too.
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But there are some people on the right who are anti-Israel, too,
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especially people who are extremely on the right, on the fringier part of the right.
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So, this is a reference to the genocide of Jews in the Second World War.
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Now, you say, okay, it's not just someone anti-Israel.
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This is someone who is anti-Semitic, who actually hates the Jews as Jews and wants them to be exterminated.
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Not so much what is called a Holocaust denier as a Holocaust promoter.
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You know, there was a Holocaust, and you need more of it.
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So, then you say, okay, the person is anti-Jewish, anti—but then what's weird is also on the magazine or on one of the guns, it says, remove kebab.
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Remove kebab is a kind of online reference to getting rid of Muslims.
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So, you say anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, and then shoots up a Catholic church full of Catholic schoolchildren.
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It's not even merely, though it is primarily anti-Catholicism.
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Obviously, it was an attack on a Catholic church.
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It seems to be—and then, I mean, you see other little lines here, such as life, burn Israel, remove kebab, there it is.
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I'm not going to say the name once again, but it's the name of the guy who shot up the Pittsburgh synagogue.
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And then, final point on the ideological motivations.
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If I carry out a racially motivated attack, it would most likely be against filthy Zionist Jews.
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K, you know, refers to a certain ancient nomadic tribe.
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For good, would be a target of political or societal significance.
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Targets like Musk, Trump, or some significant exec.
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I can't really put my finger on a specific purpose.
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It definitely won't be for racism or white supremacy.
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It's not really, it's about Trump because he's the biggest guy in the world.
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It's about Elon because he's a really popular guy.
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But it could be some exact, it's not about racism or white supremacy.
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You know, it's not, it's not even just, I hate the Jews.
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I hate God, I hate the Muslims, I hate, but it's, and then what's strange is the anti-Christianity is not even the most pronounced aspect of the journals and on the guns.
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It's very difficult to code this ideologically left or right.
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Because of the Trump aspect and because of all the free Palestine stuff, I guess you would say it codes, this person codes more left wing.
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The person's trans identifying, that is simply left wing.
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But I don't think this is primarily ideological.
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Because New York Post continues to translate on the spiritual aspect here.
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I don't want to shoot up this church to spread a message.
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He says, I don't think I could just take myself out.
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I would need to do something with my final act.
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So, he says, look, I'm pretending this is for some political cause or whatever.
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And I want it to be a spectacular event that gets a lot of attention.
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He says, I consider myself to be a pretty knowledgeable person, not just on firearms, lol.
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I consider, I definitely had a big ego and a bit of a superiority complex.
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Because you have an admission of the queen of all vices.
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You know, the deadliest of the seven deadly sins, which is pride.
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Pride, which goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
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I want people to kneel under me begging for their lives.
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This is the kind of prideful fantasizing of making oneself into God.
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You know, if you don't have a strong stomach, skip ahead 30 seconds, 60 seconds.
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The spiritual aspect is the most important, though.
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He writes on the magazine, one of the magazines, for the children.
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He then writes, I referenced this a little earlier.
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But then specifically says, like a phoenix, we rise from the ashes.
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This is directly connected to the trans identity here.
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And the trans identity is directly connected to the spiritual aspect of this crime.
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Because some people seem not to have understood, transgenderism itself is a form of suicide.
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We often say, people who are trans activists and anti-trans activists will both point to this,
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say, if you identify as trans, you are much, much more likely to kill yourself.
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And the pro-trans activists say, see, that's why we need to normalize transgenderism.
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Because it's so difficult for them that they kill themselves.
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The anti-trans activists will point out and say, well, even after the transition, even
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after the surgeries, even after people accept this, they're still just as likely to kill
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But both of those are actually missing the point.
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It's not just that a trans identity inclines you to kill yourself.
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Transgenderism itself is a liturgical form of suicide by which a person comes into being
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like a phoenix rising from the ashes by killing the natural self, the natural self, which is
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If you've ever spoken to a trans identifying person, they'll say, don't call me the name
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It is, and it's a liturgical form in the sense that it is related to a spiritual conception
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And you're seeing a description of that right there on the gun.
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Like a phoenix rising from the ashes, Israel must fall.
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You know, even forget the modern Asian state of Israel for a second.
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Just think of Israel and its deepest spiritual meaning.
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Israel is the people of God, whether we're talking about the temporal Israel, the spiritual
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Israel, the new Israel, Israel, the people of God must fall.
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Forget about there are going to be some people who say, well, I don't like the nation of Israel
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Just get over your own prejudices for a second.
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We're talking about the people of God must fall like a phoenix.
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This is deeply disconcerting stuff for anyone who has a religious sensibility to him at all.
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So before we get to the image of the demon, this is really jarring.
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You get a guy who he's writing all these kind of like funny lines, the big one, TM, fart
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ninja, like the N-word, I'll say ninja, F-U-E-S-H-I-T.
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You know, people look at that and they'll say, well, that's just kind of random verbal
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When you say these kind of stupid, meaningless things with the random smiley faces and all
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is it's not just an expression of some little joke.
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It's an expression that nothing really means anything at all, which is not neutral.
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It's not just kind of funny or that's an expression of despair.
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I remember one time, this was years ago, I was at the Apple store in Grand Central and
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a guy, I hate to call this guy out, but one of the guys working there, he had two tattoos
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One was a weird little mustache and one said S-H-I-T, cray, cray, like crazy, you know?
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And I thought most people think, oh, it's a harmless or kind of meaningless tattoo.
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This guy, to some degree, mutilated his body over nothing.
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I actually, I'm more put off by tattoos that are apparently meaningless than the ones that
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are explicitly aggressive or violent because the meaningless ones suggest a kind of nihilism,
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a nihilism that nothing really matters and nothing makes any sense.
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Then you have a magazine that says, where is your God?
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And then maybe the most disturbing to me, even more disturbing than the journal entry about
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the demon, there's, there's a, one of the shotguns says Baruch Khazad, which is a line
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from Tolkien, a line from, you know, Lord of the Rings.
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And then above that, take this all of you and eat.
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Take this all of you and eat of it are the words of our Lord at the last supper when he's
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And it is, it is the word that is said during the holy sacrifice of the mass.
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This is the, this is my body, which is given up for you.
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This is the, when we eat, eat the body and blood of Christ, which Christ tells us we have
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We have to gnaw his flesh or we don't have any life in us.
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He tells us this in John six and he institutes the Eucharist in the last supper.
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Those are his words turned to a satanic inversion here by, by writing it on something that will
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dispense bullets into the mouths of little children who are awaiting to eat our Lord,
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I don't know how else you could describe this other than as demonic and satanic, but then
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This is from the notebooks and it's this picture of the shooter.
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with his long hair and his gun on the back of his, on his back, looking into a mirror.
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And what he sees in the mirror is a demon, is a devil, looks kind of like Baphomet, you
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know, one of the, one of the really popular demonic images.
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And this is what has led people to suggest that he might've been possessed or at least
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obsessed with demons or at least afflicted by demons.
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And then what's written there is, when will this end?
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I don't want, and, and this is the eeriest to me.
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If you have any familiarity with the Bible, because when Moses is talking to God in the
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When we turn away from God, when we lose our connection from God, we're, we're left with
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When we recognize that we're children made in the image and likeness of God, then we
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When you have identity problems, as this person quite clearly had identity problems, that
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were expressed in a social faddish way, that were expressed in a political way, and that
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is expressed ultimately in a religious way, because all politics comes down to religion.
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As he's looking at himself in the mirror, seeing a demon, he says, who am I?
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I went back and forth on whether or not even to play this video on the show.
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I think I have to play it, because this gets to the final point here on, on religion, on
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There was a video, again, I don't know that it's confirmed, confirmed, but it is being
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reported that this is a video of him planning out his attack.
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I'm just going to play you a few seconds of it.
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So for those of you who are only listening, again, I'm not a guy who sees demons under
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I, you know, I, I, uh, I interviewed, uh, an exorcist father, Dan Rehill, and that video
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has gotten, I don't know, 8 million views, 9 million views, something like that, you know?
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So, but one of the points it's worth, worth watching too, especially right now, uh, one
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of the points is you don't, it don't blame everything on demons.
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Uh, there are two, two errors in opposite directions.
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One is to think that, that demons don't exist to the other is to think that demons are behind
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And I don't, I don't think that it's hard to listen to that voice and not hear the
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It's difficult to look at that picture that he drew of himself looking in the mirror,
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It's difficult to look at that first question, who am I?
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And in that video, he has a target up on his wall.
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And at the top of the target in the place of the head is Christ in the passion with the
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I think impossible not to have a sense of the demonic here.
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The ideological, the, the identity, you know, the trans aspect.
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And the religion, some, some people have understood that each of these parts played a role in this
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What, what I think people are failing to connect that the dots that they're failing to connect
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And we labor under a delusion in secular liberal modernity, that these things can all be separated.
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And we labor under that delusion because we believe that the private and the public life
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can be perfectly neatly separated, that you can go be a complete degenerate in a constant state
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of grave moral sin in your private life, but that will have no effect on your public life
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To say there's this firm private public distinction and, you know, true freedom means you get to go do
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whatever weird, disgusting, depraved stuff you want in private.
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I don't care if a fellow wants to go by the name of Sally, as long as he doesn't let it affect me.
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It necessarily affects you because his behaviors, his habits, his vices, his misconceptions,
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his absurd identity is going to go with him when he acts in public, which is most of the time.
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Because no man is an island entire unto himself.
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What does it matter to you what a man does in his bedroom?
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I don't stay up at night thinking about what people do in their bedrooms,
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I do care that my fellow citizens have a grasp on reality.
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And if they start to lose their grasp on reality, and if they start to engage in perpetual,
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exceedingly grave sin, that's going to darken their intellect.
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And that's going to seriously mess up the country.
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And it's certainly going to endanger the body politic.
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And furthermore, that identity crisis is going to go all the way down.
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That speaks to an anthropological identity crisis.
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He doesn't understand how the soul relates to the human body.
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The premise of transgenderism being that the immaterial soul is the true self.
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Though paradoxically, the body is so important to the self that
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transgenderism impels them to chop themselves up and mutilate themselves
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to make the body look more like the perceived immaterial self.
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And that gets all the way down to a religious identity.
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Are we mortal subjects of God, made in the image and likeness of God,
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with reason, endowed with dignity because we have intellect and will?
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And this has ideological implications because liberalism is the ideology of making oneself into a god.
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And this has political implications too, because politics deals with practical morality
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and the implementation of ideology and anthropology all the way down to religion in public life.
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And because we've tolerated lies, because we've tolerated liberal and anthropological
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and philosophical and ideological lies, we see horrific tragedies play out in real life on television and on podcasts.
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Because we take the easy road and we think that it's somehow charitable to lie.
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Don't think it's just some kind of abstract deduction.
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My favorite comment yesterday is from Razzle07.
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Michael wasn't just there to view a cabinet meeting.
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He's been nominated the first secretary of Cracker Barrel Affairs.
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There are not many government jobs I would accept.
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murdered, I don't even know if I've mentioned that,
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murdered two, an eight-year-old and a 10-year-old,
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Here is what the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota in the past
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This is life-affirming and life-saving health care.
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it is our job as grown-ups to listen and to believe them.
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and who should have the community protected from.
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you might have seen a little top of it there in that video,
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the people who supposedly want to attack trans kids