Ep. 1903 - The Three Million NEW Pages Of Epstein Files EXPLAINED
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In the wake of the Justice Department releasing millions of documents and videos related to Jeffrey Epstein, we re turning our attention to one of the most powerful men in the world. Who was Jeffrey Epstein? And what does he represent to us?
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The Department of Justice has released 3 million previously unseen documents,
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pictures, and videos related to Jeffrey Epstein. I spent the weekend going through more of them
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than I probably should have. Some of the claims in the files are shocking. The names in the files
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are a who's who of the most influential people in the world, some that I hadn't even seen before.
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And this is the most important thing. I have never been more vindicated on my prediction
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back when all this Epstein stuff began. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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and find your forever. This Epstein stuff, man. Thanks a lot, DOJ. Thanks a lot. I know we've
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been calling for more transparency on Epstein. And even when it comes to transparency, I think
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what people really want is just justice for people who have committed crimes. And what they want even
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more than that is to just know who this guy was. Who was Jeffrey Epstein? What does he represent?
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I think that's really, when people talk about Epstein, that's what they really want. And one
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way they talk about it is by saying we need justice for the victims. And the more abstracted way they
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talk about it is we need transparency. We actually don't need transparency over a lot of how our
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government and Justice Department function. Certain activities of the government, just like activities
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of business, actually do require some secrecy, some classification. So it's not that we're saying
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everything needs to be declassified. Everything needs to be transparent. We just want to know,
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one, we want justice to be done. But two, we want to know who this man is. One of the most
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revealing places to begin is this series of media training sessions that Steve Bannon,
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former chief strategist at the White House and of the Trump campaign, Trump won,
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that he had with Jeffrey Epstein. Apparently, Epstein hired Steve Bannon as a media consultant
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or something like that. And so this gives people, pretty much for the first time,
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the opportunity to hear Epstein in his own words. And I'm just going to play a brief clip. I mean,
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there are hours and hours of this footage. But here's a little brief clip of Epstein talking
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about one of the big problems in children's education.
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Potentially one of the bad things to teach children is how to write. Writing, reading,
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and arithmetic was supposed to be, everyone's supposed to be taught. But writing forces you
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into a very narrow channel of thinking. You have to write in a certain form, in a certain way,
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in a certain linear pattern. So your thinking becomes somewhat narrow. The reason I brought up
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writing is one of the recent discoveries of mine with respect to Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle
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is they never wrote anything. They spoke, and people around who could write wrote. Socrates could
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Jesus of Nazareth was the same way, right? Never wrote anything.
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Okay. So I have three takeaways from this brief clip. One, he doesn't know how to respond when
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Bannon brings up Christ. That was a little freaky. You know, we've talked about occult aspects
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of the Epstein operation, the weird pagan-looking temple on the island, and some of the weird
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rituals and practices that are referenced in some of these emails, and by some of the people
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who were in the emails. And he reacts in a way, it's not even spooky as much as it is
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goofy. I thought he was a carpenter. I, what does he need? Little carpenter's tools or what?
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What? Very odd. Not odd, actually, if you read the Bible, because, you know, the name
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of Christ does scare demons. You know, it kind of freaks them out. They don't know what
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to, what to make of it. But the second thing that strikes me is that this guy has a very
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silly voice. You would expect, I would have expected Jeffrey Epstein, this guy, lots of
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money, harem of women, some of them underage, but some of them above age, just like women,
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money, yachts, booze, fancy people, billionaires and statesmen and scientists, all these people
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all around him. You'd kind of expect him maybe to sound like James Bond or something, this
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international man of mystery. And yet he sounds like a slightly dodgier Woody Allen, like a more
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morally suspect Woody Allen. Well, Steve, it's funny you. He sounds like Dr. Fauci.
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Did you, can you just play me like five seconds of that clip? Can you, am I mistaken to say?
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Potentially one of the bad things to teach children.
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Okay. Okay. All right. Pause it right there. So it's more Woody Allen than Dr. Fauci.
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Potentially one of the bad things, but it's still, it's still got a little bit of that Dr. Fauci,
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because if you just lower it a little bit, potentially one of the bad things to teach
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children is that you're good to get nobody to get the bus. So he sounds, look, I guess he's a
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New Yorker. All right, there you have it. He sounds goofy. The words he says, his responses to questions
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are kind of goofy. He's not as quick on his feet as you would expect. His voice sounds kind of goofy.
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And then hold on, let me get back to the first claim he made. He said, we shouldn't teach children
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to write because the smartest people in history, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle didn't write.
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There's just one problem. Plato and Aristotle definitely wrote. They wrote a lot. They sort
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of famously wrote. Socrates did not write. That's true. Socrates we know of really as a character from
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Plato's dialogues and he had conversations with people in the city. Plato for sure wrote, he wrote
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a lot. Aristotle wrote. Some of what we have of his is his notes, like his lecture notes and things that
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people wrote about him, but they wrote. So he's just wrong on a basic fact about two of the three
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foundations of Western philosophy, which means Jeffrey Epstein is not that smart.
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He's kind of goofy. He gets kind of flummoxed. He's not that smart. Now, he obviously had a certain
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genius, but he's not the global international super genius you might expect, which seems to lend
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credibility to something more going on behind the scenes. Now, it's worth pointing out, Jeffrey Epstein,
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ostensibly, is a Wall Streeter. And Wall Streeters are not necessarily that smart.
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Wall Streeters are very good at making money. That is a specific skill set. It does not imply that you
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know anything about Plato and Aristotle. It does not imply that you are a particularly deep thinker.
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It can. There are intelligent Wall Streeters, but it's not a one-to-one. So it could just be
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that he's kind of a bruiser Wall Streeter. I mean, some of the guys in sales and trading are on the
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floor of the New York Stock Exchange. They're tough guys. They're the kind of guys you'd,
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if they weren't working there, they'd be working in a butcher shop in the Bronx or something.
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So it could be that he's just that guy, or it could be that he's a stand-in for some larger systems.
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At the very least, I think what we can conclude is he is not in himself some super genius.
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He's an influence peddler. He gets himself a spot on the Trilateral Commission because he's
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friends with David Rockefeller. And then he gets a spot on the Council on Foreign Relations. And then
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he's just moving in these circles with all sorts of people, the Clintons and the Rothschilds and the
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Trumps and the everybody, just everybody. And the Musks and Silicon Valley and this and that and this
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and that. He's just moving with everybody. The Israelis and the Arabs and the Russians and the
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Americans and just everybody. He's an influence peddler. So this is the question. Who is Jeffrey
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Epstein? There seem to be four buckets of stuff that we learn from the files that we already knew,
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by the way, about Jeffrey Epstein. There's the finance bucket. There's the politics bucket.
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There's the weird sex bucket, obviously. And then there's this last thing. There's the science
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bucket. Jeffrey Epstein founds an institute, Santa Fe Institute. It's in the Bannon interviews to pick
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up a bunch of scientists at the end of the Cold War because they had been nuclear scientists working
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during the Cold War. They were out of work. He wanted to scoop them up. He's palling around with
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a lot of people from Harvard and MIT. He's very interested in things like string theory. And
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it's weird. And so the question for people is, how do these things fit in with one another? And who is
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he? I will go very quickly through the Epstein files that most stood out to me. That includes
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links to the Russians, to the Arabs, to the Jews, to the Syrians, to the Americans, to the Brits,
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2011. From redacted to Jeffrey Epstein. Spoke with Igor. He said, last time you were in Palm Beach,
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you told him you had an appointment with Putin on September 16th and that he could go ahead and
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book his ticket to Russia and arrive a few days before you. He also looked into security in Sochi
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for you. He said, regardless, he will still need to go to Russia tomorrow to sort out his Russian
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passport, which expires at the end of September. So he will still fly back to New York on the 19th.
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He'll be happy to go back to Russia with you on September 26th if you go. Okay.
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How is Jeffrey Epstein getting appointments with Putin? The, at this time, leader of Russia for over
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10 years. Is he, okay, let's just put this in the column of maybe he was working with the KGB. If
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he's a super spy, maybe he was working with the Russians. Next one. This is an email from a sultan in
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Dubai. Sultan bin Sulayem, a big business leader in Dubai. Dear Jeffrey, I'm attaching some media
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clipping regarding the Israeli operation in Dubai. I will call you around 7 p.m. Eastern time.
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What happened doesn't help anyone. This is from Wednesday, September, February 17th, 2010.
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I don't remember this particular Israeli operation in Dubai. This would seem to imply that Epstein is
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either working with the Israelis. He's saying, hey, I want to talk to you about this Israeli operation.
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Okay, maybe he was working with the Israelis. It might also imply maybe he was working with the
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Arabs. Why is the sultan reaching out to Epstein? Is Epstein a go-between between the Arabs and the
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Israelis? Next one. This is an email from Jeffrey Epstein to blank. He passed away. It says,
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Robert Maxwell threatened Mossad. And there are all sorts of weird typos and kind of odd formatting
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errors, maybe just in the way these emails were exported. But Robert Maxwell was the spy,
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reportedly a double or possibly triple agent for Israel and Russia and maybe the British,
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who had a big media empire. He was the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, who was the girlfriend and
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Jeffrey Epstein. And Robert Maxwell died under very suspicious circumstances and got a funeral in
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Israel. So Robert Maxwell threatened Mossad, writes Jeffrey Epstein. He told them that unless
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they gave him 400 million pounds to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had
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done for them. In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, Ronald Reagan's
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White House, to the Kremlin, and to the corridors of power throughout Europe. Maxwell passed on all the
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secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities, and insatiable
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appetite for a luxurious lifestyle in women. He told his controllers who they should target,
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how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet
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bloc. Okay. So we don't know who this is to. This could insinuate that Epstein had a relationship
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with Mossad. It could insinuate that he didn't really. Maybe he was not particularly pro-Israel
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in as much as he's accusing Israel of murdering Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell, who had been working
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with Israel? And I guess the Russians and the Americans and the British. Was he a quadruple
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agent? Next one. From Jeffrey Epstein to Joy Ito. Epstein writes, talk today. He says,
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my schedule's a bit crappy, but I could call from the car. Where will you be? By the way,
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I'm trying to get a friend out of prison in Syria. You don't happen to have anyone with influence over
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Assad, do you? And Jeffrey Epstein responds, not for email. This is one of my favorite emails in
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the entire batch. And actually, there are a number of emails like this. Not for email.
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All the stuff this guy is emailing about, weird sex stuff, international intrigue between
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really every sector of the entire globe, scientific secrets. Did I mention weird sex stuff? All the
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stuff Jeffrey Epstein emails about, joking or not joking, about killing people. And yet,
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Jeffrey Epstein knows some things are really not to be put in writing, including, do you have
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influence over Assad? He has influence over Assad? Now, is he working for the Syrians?
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If Jeffrey Epstein knows that some things are not for email, and his emails are this titillating,
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what on earth is not in the emails? And what influence did Jeffrey Epstein have over Assad?
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Okay, now let's try to nail in on which intelligence agencies, if any, he was working for.
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Here's an email from a guy named Greg Brown to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Jeffrey, this is from 2011, understood, remember, there are already $80 billion in frozen assets
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internationally, of which $32 billion are in the US. It's estimated that the real number is somewhere
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to four times this amount in sovereign stolen misappropriated assets, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. They're talking about Libya, right during that Libya operation. Look at all this Libyan money
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that's up for grabs. Now, here's the key. They're talking about the law firm they've retained.
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It would be to our advantage to pay them on an hourly basis and initially go after the low-hanging fruit,
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which would enable us to keep more of the money. I also have friends formally, I don't know if they
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mean formally, like officially or formerly, because there are a lot of typos in these emails.
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I also have friends formally with MI6 and Mossad willing to help identify stolen assets and help
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them get recovered. This is a weird email because the claim that we've been hearing is that Jeffrey
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Epstein worked with Mossad and maybe with US intelligence and maybe with Russian intelligence
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intelligence and who knows, maybe with allied intelligence generally. So that would include
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MI6. So if this guy is emailing Jeffrey Epstein, why would he have to say, well, hey, look, I know
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some people in Mossad. That would seem to imply that Epstein's not Mossad. Gets even more complicated.
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Jeffrey Epstein writes a letter to the CIA under the Freedom of Information Act asking for any
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information the CIA has on him. But Epstein doesn't write the email himself. I got to give a hat tip
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here to Mike Benz. Mike Benz identified this email among the three million. He writes the letter from
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his lawyer. So it would not necessarily come out that Jeffrey Epstein had requested this file.
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And the lawyers say, hey, we want, well, we don't know exactly what the lawyers requested.
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We do, however, know the CIA's response. And this is very, very interesting.
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Let's pull up the CIA's response. Do we have it? Okay.
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Dear Mr. Weinberg, Epstein's lawyer, on July 25th, 2011, the Office of Information Privacy
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Coordinator received your letter, request providing additional information pertaining to your client,
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Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. Since you have provided the necessary information, we processed Mr. Epstein's
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request in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act and the Privacy Act.
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We searched for CIA-originated responsive records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged
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agency affiliation existing from November 5th, 1999, the date of our previous acceptance letter,
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to July 25th, 2011, the date we accepted Mr. Epstein's current request. We were unable to locate any
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information or records. That phrasing, we searched for CIA-originated responsive records that might
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reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between 1999, well, from 1999 to 2011.
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Okay. Open or acknowledged? Well, we know that a lot of what the CIA does is not open or acknowledged.
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Why is Jeffrey Epstein requesting this information from the CIA in the first place?
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If there's just nothing in there, why would he, and what specifically did he request? Did he say,
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is there any open and acknowledged relationship between you guys and me? They go on. The CIA says,
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with respect to responsive records that would reveal a classified connection to the CIA,
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in accordance with section 36A of executive order, blah, blah, blah, as amended, the CIA can neither
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confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of records responsive to your request. The fact of
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the existence or non-existence of requested records is currently improperly classified and is
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intelligent sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by this section of the
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CIA Act of 1949. We can neither confirm nor deny, which is the CIA's response to just about everything.
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What is this about? Mike Benz made this great, Mike Benz, who's been on this show before,
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made a great point. He said, you know, the way Jeffrey Epstein is requesting this information
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is basically the way that CIA personnel request personnel files. Previously, according to some
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of the Epstein files, he had bragged about having a relationship with the CIA, working with the CIA.
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However, after that time, he denied it. Why did he deny it? Was he perhaps assured that there was no
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public relationship documented between Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA? Was he, who was this guy working
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with? All right. One last thing from the Epstein files that are going viral right now. It's FBI
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So, the most salacious accusations, rather, that come out of the Epstein files come from FBI
00:25:54.880
interviews. So, the FBI interviewed one person in particular, one or two people in particular.
00:26:03.380
And here are some of the claims. George H.W. Bush raped a baby or something like that. George Bush
00:26:12.320
and Bill Clinton raped someone, I think, at the same time. Epstein and Clinton raped a guy at the
00:26:20.840
same time. There's another one. It was like Bush was raping someone or eating a baby or something
00:26:25.780
while Trump watched or something like that. You say, wow, that's really crazy. And then you get to
00:26:31.240
reports. Oh, sorry. Redacted stated all of the above incidents were, quote, recovered repressed
00:26:38.720
memories until he began therapy sometime in 2016, approximately. Redacted offered no supporting or
00:26:46.780
corroborating evidence or witnesses that could be contacted. Redacted appeared to be emotionally
00:26:52.020
unbalanced and not intoxicated. At this time, it is not recommended that any additional investigative
00:26:57.340
resources be expended concerning Redacted's claim. Okay. Okay. There is a fair bit of this kind of
00:27:04.100
stuff in there. It's like, person who does not appear to have any credibility makes crazy claims,
00:27:11.540
like long after the Epstein scandal breaks. And the FBI is even joking about it in some cases. They say,
00:27:18.020
oh, wow, Bush raped him with Clinton and Trump. And oh, wow, that's amazing. And some people who I
00:27:24.120
think are a little more credulous and fair enough, they recognize that a lot of our global elites are
00:27:28.880
complete degenerates, but they just take all of this at face value. You can't take anything at face
00:27:35.080
value when it comes to the Epstein case. The one thing we know for sure about Epstein is that he was
00:27:40.240
deceitful, that he's morally not quite right, that he slips around. He's a master of disguise.
00:27:50.000
And we know that people make all sorts of crazy accusations. Okay.
00:27:56.360
I want to bring this full circle. What did I say at the top of the show? I said, I've never been
00:28:01.220
more vindicated in my prediction about Epstein. Because what did I say when the Epstein stuff all
00:28:06.900
kicked off again? I said, guys, you are wasting your time. Maybe I should kick myself because I
00:28:11.720
spent a lot of time over the weekend on this. I said, one of two things can be true about Jeffrey
00:28:17.860
Epstein. Either he's exactly who the mainstream tell us he is. He's just an eccentric rich guy
00:28:23.240
who coincidentally was friends with all the influential people in the world. And that's
00:28:26.720
it. That's all. That's all there is to it. Nothing. Oh, and then he killed himself in a prison
00:28:30.880
cell. Oopsie. And then the cameras went out, but they didn't go out, but then they did go out.
00:28:36.140
And actually, never mind. He's just exactly who he says he is. Either that is true
00:28:41.000
or Jeffrey Epstein was something a little bit more than that.
00:28:46.960
But in the first case, let's say he is exactly who the mainstream tell us he is.
00:28:51.660
In that case, we already know everything we're going to know about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:28:56.420
In the case that Jeffrey Epstein is a little bit more than that,
00:29:01.040
I want you to listen to this very carefully. We already know everything we're ever going to learn
00:29:06.340
about Jeffrey Epstein. I know it's a very unpopular observation.
00:29:12.440
I am so vindicated on this. Three million documents just came out.
00:29:16.680
What significant new finding is there in the documents?
00:29:23.240
Oh, there's this titillating story about Bill Gates. Yeah. Oh, really interesting.
00:29:27.460
Well, did you know he was talking to the Arabs? Actually, yes, I did.
00:29:30.820
Did you know he was talking to the Israelis? Yes, I did. Did you know he was talking to
00:29:34.220
American intelligence? I did. Did you know we all knew all of that? We all knew all of that.
00:29:39.540
So there are more titillating examples of this.
00:29:45.700
What significant new finding for the people who come out and say,
00:29:50.220
why don't we talk? Why don't we do something about? Do what? Do what? Do what?
00:29:56.720
What new finding is there? Folks, they passed a law in the early 90s that said they had to release
00:30:02.580
all the Kennedy files. Remember this? John F. Kennedy assassinated in the 1960s and then all
00:30:07.540
the files didn't come out and then they passed a law. He said that the files have to come out and
00:30:11.100
then they blew past the deadline and we still don't have all of the information. The idea that Jeffrey
00:30:17.280
Epstein would have been operating from the 80s or earlier through the mid-2000s before he's arrested
00:30:24.580
on the sex stuff, that he would be operating with all these players in the world and then he'd get
00:30:29.380
arrested. He'd get some sweetheart deal and then he would get arrested again a decade later, more
00:30:36.380
than a decade later. And then all of the files incriminating him and everyone around him would
00:30:40.780
just continue to exist. That is an absurd notion. I'll tell you the one thing, the real concrete
00:30:47.120
thing that people want to know, the one real concrete thing, they want to see what happened in
00:30:52.860
that prison cell. If we could see, conveniently we can, if we could see what happened in that prison
00:30:58.840
cell, that would help to clarify a lot. Did he kill himself? Was he killed? Was he smuggled out of
00:31:08.240
prison? I don't know. What happened in that cell? We don't know. A lot of people think he's probably
00:31:17.760
more than he made himself out to be. We don't know exactly what that is, is he doesn't seem to be that
00:31:24.240
smart. And he, I don't, he seems mobbed. It's not just that he doesn't seem mobbed up with
00:31:30.660
intelligence. He seems mobbed up with all the intelligence, not even just US allied intelligence,
00:31:35.760
like Russian, like everybody. But what did I predict? I said, if he is more than what he says he is,
00:31:45.620
then you already know everything you're ever going to find out about Jeffrey Epstein. Every
00:31:49.560
substantive significant thing. I am right. People are angry that I am right about that,
00:31:55.760
but c'est la vie. Okay, let's move to something. It also involves weird sex stuff, but it's closer to
00:32:02.000
home. A detransitioner just won a $2 million judgment against her doctor for transing her as a kid.
00:32:12.460
A 22-year-old woman who identified as a boy when she was a teenager won a $2 million decision
00:32:17.440
in New York of all places against doctors who pushed a double mastectomy on her.
00:32:22.960
This gal goes by Fox Varian, had the surgery when she was just 16, got the approval from a psychologist
00:32:29.500
and a surgeon, both of whom the jury found liable of medical malpractice.
00:32:35.100
Trans is effectively over. It was a fad. There were some people who tried to cut a middle ground
00:32:47.660
with trans to say, you know, well, you can't trans kids, but you can trans adults because
00:32:53.160
adults can be the opposite sex, but kids can or whatever. I pointed out some years ago that
00:32:58.220
transgenderism is false. And if it's false, it's false for everybody. And so it has to be eradicated
00:33:02.500
from public life entirely. And I was pilloried and calumniated for it. And, uh, you know, this is
00:33:07.420
like, you know how much I hate to say I told you so, but I'm pleased to see that reality has reasserted
00:33:12.860
itself in the end because it is, it is now a passing fad. How are doctors going to continue to trans
00:33:20.260
patients, certainly kids, if they're putting themselves at risk of $2 million judgments
00:33:24.580
per patient? It's over. It's a fad. People are going to look back on it. As we said for years,
00:33:31.220
they're going to look back on it. Like we look back on lobotomies and the people who called us
00:33:36.480
immoral, who preened, who calumniated us when we said it was bad to castrate little kids, castrate
00:33:44.280
anybody really. They're going to move on to the next fad, the next deeply immoral fad, but it's over,
00:33:51.980
it's deader than disco. Okay. Speaking of lunacy, Don Lemon has responded to being arrested by
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My favorite comment yesterday is from the Drummer's Workshop Norm's Music. Who says orange is the new
00:35:29.500
lemon? I love that. I'm a sucker for a good pun. Don Lemon has responded. Don Lemon says he is never
00:35:40.640
going to give up. He is fighting back and Don Lemon's friends are defending him. They're saying this was an
00:35:46.040
act of journalism. I want to remind you what Don Lemon said as he was committing the crime at the
00:35:52.280
church in Minneapolis. Watch this guy here. Look, he's hugging his kid. And, you know, I've imagined
00:36:00.780
it's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But again, careful, it's very slippery right
00:36:05.660
here. It's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But that's what really, careful,
00:36:09.880
please, really slippery. Not kidding. That's what protesting is about. And so.
00:36:16.480
I imagine it's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. It's really slippery. Don't slip,
00:36:23.120
don't slip, don't slip. But that's what protesting is all about. The people there included little kids.
00:36:27.760
Wouldn't matter even if it didn't include kids. But these are congregants. Don Lemon is saying,
00:36:33.160
the mob that I'm actively participating in is going in to traumatize people and is traumatizing people,
00:36:39.120
which is a violation of federal law. It's a violation of the FACE Act. And it's a violation
00:36:45.560
of a U.S. code, 18 U.S. code section 241. Conspiracy against rights. He's in there threatening,
00:36:55.440
oppressing, harassing people, traumatizing. That's what happens when you traumatize people.
00:36:59.580
I went on Chris Cuomo's show the other night. Chris Cuomo is Don Lemon's old buddy from CNN.
00:37:05.080
And I explained this to Chris Cuomo and he didn't have a very good answer for me. That clip's going
00:37:10.560
viral. You can catch that somewhere else. Just before I go on, Chris Cuomo brings on two lawyers,
00:37:15.560
a Democrat and a Republican. A guy who's worked for Trump, a guy who's a Democrat,
00:37:19.540
and he wanted them to duke it out over the Don Lemon case. And he was surprised to hear that the
00:37:26.580
two lawyers were on the same side. They were both against Chris Cuomo because they both realized that
00:37:31.760
Don Lemon had broken the law. I mean, maybe he made some bad decisions. I don't know.
00:37:37.680
I'm rooting for him, but... Hold on. Maybe he made bad decisions.
00:37:40.940
Hold on, Bill. Bill. Maybe he made... Bill and Mark, because I think you guys are closer together
00:37:46.620
than I am to the two of you on this. He may have made a bad decision. He may have made bad choices.
00:37:53.260
And he may have done things that I would not have done and that News Nation would not allow me to do.
00:37:58.960
It doesn't mean he's not a journalist. It doesn't mean he's a participant. It could mean
00:38:04.900
he doesn't know the law. He doesn't understand what the rules are, like when he said to the preacher,
00:38:10.720
but they have a First Amendment right. He might not have known the FACE Act. And he probably doesn't.
00:38:15.600
He's not a lawyer. And he's not, you know, been... Well, but this is a hard way to learn, Bill.
00:38:21.560
That's what I'm saying. And again, I don't like the...
00:38:24.420
Oh, it's brutal. You know, I said to Chris on his show, I said, look, buddy,
00:38:29.080
it's nice that you want to defend your friend. That's actually laudable. And he got kind of
00:38:33.320
angry with me. He said, don't patronize me. But I meant it. Loyalty is a real virtue.
00:38:38.700
And he clearly wants to defend his friend. But the best defense he can muster of his friend
00:38:42.660
is he didn't know the law. Now, you don't need to go to law school to know. Ignorance of the law
00:38:49.200
is not a valid defense. You can't go chop someone's head off and say,
00:38:53.620
I didn't know it was against the law to commit murder. You can't do 90 in a 25 speed zone and
00:39:00.080
say, oh, I didn't know what the speed limit was. Ignorance of the law is not a defense.
00:39:05.980
The best defense that Chris Cuomo can muster, who's one of the people most inclined to defend
00:39:10.960
Don Lemon, is, well, he broke the law, but he didn't know it. They got him, man. They got him
00:39:16.580
dead to rights. For Cuomo too, this is of a piece because you might recall that during that summer
00:39:22.500
of love, the year of R. Floyd, during those protests, which were violent, which were against
00:39:28.400
the law, Chris Cuomo made the curious claim that protests don't need to be peaceful.
00:39:32.660
Now, too many see the protests as the problem. No, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens
00:39:41.740
to take to the streets, persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice. And please show me
00:39:49.060
where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
00:39:52.300
The First Amendment of the Constitution is actually where it says that the people have
00:39:58.340
a right peaceably to assemble, not violently. The right to protest is predicated on the protests
00:40:06.840
being peaceful. It's in the First Amendment. Likewise, Don Lemon cannot claim First Amendment
00:40:13.220
protections for, as a journalist, to go actively participate in, that is, conspire with, serve
00:40:20.120
coffee to, hide details, commit crimes with this mob that violated rights and broke the Face Act,
00:40:26.920
because you can't claim First Amendment protections when you are actively violating the First Amendment
00:40:32.580
rights of others. Okay. Speaking of famous black people, Christopher Nolan is doing a movie about
00:40:37.800
the Odyssey, Homer's epic poem. And he has cast as Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand
00:40:46.540
ships, most beautiful woman in the Greek world. He's cast Lupita Nyong'o. Lupita Nyong'o is a very good
00:40:55.440
actress. She doesn't look Greek, let's put it that way. She doesn't look Greek. She doesn't have any of
00:41:04.620
the features that are traditionally associated with Helen of Troy. So do we have some pictures of
00:41:12.180
artistic depictions of Helen of Troy? Yeah, here we go. Okay. So we've got old frescoes, old Greek
00:41:18.980
vases and urns, all the way up from the centuries before Christ up through the Renaissance. Helen is
00:41:27.000
portrayed as having very, very fair skin, sometimes slightly darker hair, sometimes blonde hair. So
00:41:32.920
it doesn't quite match, does it? Some people are making all sorts of nasty comments about Lupita Nyong'o,
00:41:41.280
who's a perfectly nice looking lady and who is certainly a very good actress.
00:41:47.500
This does not seem to serve the story, does it?
00:41:53.020
The purpose of casting is the same as the purpose of acting, is the same as the purpose of directing,
00:42:01.260
is the same as the purpose of editing and producing. It's to tell a story.
00:42:05.640
To cast Lupita Nyong'o in that role is to distract away from the story. It's to undermine the story.
00:42:15.360
She's not fit for that part. It would be, who's a good actor? Philip Seymour Hoffman. Philip Seymour
00:42:22.120
Hoffman is probably the greatest actor of my lifetime. He's just absolutely magnificent.
00:42:28.380
It would be a little odd to cast Philip Seymour Hoffman as Malcolm X in the autobiography of
00:42:36.140
Malcolm X, wouldn't it? That'd be a little strange. He's a very good actor, but there are limits.
00:42:40.780
There are limits to what an actor can do. There are limits to this entire world. There was a famous
00:42:46.060
debate within the theater, by the way, on so-called colorblind casting, which is never really colorblind,
00:42:51.860
by the way. They call it colorblind casting when they cast Lupita as Helen of Troy, but they don't call
00:42:56.580
it colorblind casting if they were to cast Philip Seymour Hoffman as Malcolm X. That would be an
00:43:00.600
outrage. It would never happen. It would just simply never happen. So it's not exactly colorblind.
00:43:05.040
It's just casting black people in white roles or Latino people in white roles and not casting
00:43:12.260
white people in any roles. But there was a famous debate on this between Richard Brustein,
00:43:18.820
who ran the American Repertoire Theater, and August Wilson, who's probably the most famous
00:43:25.040
black American playwright, perhaps ever. He wrote Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. He wrote Fences,
00:43:30.060
which was a movie with Denzel Washington some years ago. A good playwright as far as contemporary
00:43:34.400
playwrights go. And Brustein, the white liberal, argued for colorblind casting.
00:43:40.720
Oh yeah, anybody of any race, any background can play any part. And August Wilson, the black guy,
00:43:45.680
or half black guy, said, no, they can't. It's crazy. I don't want white people to play these roles
00:43:52.920
where they're like a garbage collector in the early 20th century in black neighborhoods with
00:43:57.900
black families. It doesn't read. It takes you out of the story. That isn't true. And there's
00:44:03.500
obviously some wiggle room here in certain roles because actors pretend, but it is beyond the capacity
00:44:09.260
of certain actors, of all actors, to overcome their natural limits. Very strong. Christopher Nolan's a good
00:44:15.200
director, but one can object to the casting without being offensive and mean-spirited or something.
00:44:24.100
It just doesn't make a lot of it. Someone on Twitter rightly put it, said, this is now the
00:44:31.200
face that launched a thousand quips because people think it's kind of funny. Okay. Speaking of show
00:44:34.600
business before we go, the Grammys took place, apparently. Billie Eilish took the opportunity
00:44:41.720
on stage to insist that no human being can be illegal in America. And here's why.
00:44:52.760
And yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now. And I just,
00:45:11.280
I feel really hopeful in this room and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking
00:45:17.200
up and protesting and our voices really do matter and the people matter. And yeah, yeah,
00:45:23.680
they really, they really matter. They really matter. They matter. We got to protest, you know,
00:45:30.740
so we'll get Trump to win an even larger share of the popular vote. I just want to get to her
00:45:35.480
argument because I actually love this argument. No one is illegal on stolen land. No one, no one,
00:45:44.600
not any one person. Okay. Now, no one would include us, people who were born in America of all races,
00:45:58.500
specifically white people who are usually the object of antipathy in these kinds of statements.
00:46:02.880
No one is illegal on stolen land. Now, what we must conclude about the land being stolen
00:46:13.860
is that someone committed a crime, that a crime took place. But if no one is illegal on stolen
00:46:22.100
land, then that means the land wasn't stolen. Right? Am I getting something wrong here?
00:46:28.660
If no one is illegal on stolen land, if this is stolen land, then me and my forebears committed a crime.
00:46:35.800
The crime would be stealing the land. But if no one is illegal on stolen land,
00:46:41.420
then the land wasn't stolen. So it's our land. So we can deport the people. I think, right? Doesn't
00:46:49.520
someone have to be illegal on the stolen land for it to be stolen land? I don't, I don't know. I'm not
00:46:56.560
a philosopher, but I don't think Billie Eilish is either. Much, much more to get to. There's so much
00:47:02.720
more. Ah, I want to tell you about why sending Haitians back to Haiti is a death sentence,
00:47:08.500
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What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God? Is that who you think I was alone with?
00:47:52.500
Meriton, I knew your father. I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.
00:47:57.520
All men know of the great Taliesin. You are my father, that the gods should war for my soul.
00:48:13.460
I know what the bull god offered you. I was offered the same.
00:48:19.500
There is a new power at work in the world. I've seen it.
00:48:41.860
Trust in Yazoo. He is the only hope for men like us.
00:48:46.120
Faith to Britain never rests in the hands of the great light.
00:49:06.780
How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield?
00:49:14.340
So cling to the promises of a god who has abandoned you.