00:07:41I just think politics involves a lot more pathos.
00:07:44But in this case, when you're talking about a cold political calculation, will the secretary of state run in a primary against J.D. Vance, who seems like he's the heir apparent?
00:07:52This is where Ben being just like ruthlessly rational about politics really plays well.
00:08:00This is where I think it's really helpful.
00:08:01And so I actually hadn't heard anyone put it in that clinical way.